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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a class="mw-selflink selflink">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Football</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Football</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Football</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">football articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/40px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="48" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/60px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/80px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="46" data-file-height="55"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><b>WikiProject Football</b> was featured in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2008-03-03/WikiProject_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-03-03/WikiProject report"><b>a WikiProject Report</b></a> in the <i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost">Signpost</a></i> on 3 March 2008.</td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/40px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/80px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><b>This WikiProject was featured on the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-07-09/WikiProject_report" class="extiw" title="wikipediawikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-07-09/WikiProject report">WikiProject report</a> at the Signpost on 9 July 2012.</b></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-move" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg/36px-Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg.png" decoding="async" width="36" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg/54px-Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg/72px-Merge-split-transwiki_default.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="36" data-file-height="40"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">On 4 August 2022, it was proposed that this page be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">moved</a> to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Association_football" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Association football">Wikipedia:WikiProject Association football</a>. 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.navbar-brackets::before{margin-right:-0.125em;content:"[ "}.mw-parser-output .navbar-brackets::after{margin-left:-0.125em;content:" ]"}.mw-parser-output .navbar li{word-spacing:-0.125em}.mw-parser-output .navbar a>span,.mw-parser-output .navbar a>abbr{text-decoration:inherit}.mw-parser-output .navbar-mini abbr{font-variant:small-caps;border-bottom:none;text-decoration:none;cursor:inherit}.mw-parser-output .navbar-ct-full{font-size:114%;margin:0 7em}.mw-parser-output .navbar-ct-mini{font-size:114%;margin:0 4em}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .navbar li a abbr{color:var(--color-base)!important}@media(prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .navbar li a abbr{color:var(--color-base)!important}}@media print{.mw-parser-output .navbar{display:none!important}}</style><div class="navbar plainlinks hlist navbar-mini"><ul><li class="nv-view"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/navigation" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/navigation"><abbr title="View this template">v</abbr></a></li><li class="nv-talk"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/navigation" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/navigation"><abbr title="Discuss this template">t</abbr></a></li><li class="nv-edit"><a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/navigation" title="Special:EditPage/Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/navigation"><abbr title="Edit this template">e</abbr></a></li></ul></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="National_football_team_seasons" data-mw-thread-id="h-National_football_team_seasons-20241118220500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-National_football_team_seasons-20241118220500"></span>National football team seasons<span data-mw-comment-end="h-National_football_team_seasons-20241118220500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: National football team seasons"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geschichte-20241118220500-National_football_team_seasons"></span>Is there a consensus to keep yearly pages for all national football teams? Now we have <a href="/wiki/1950_Saarland_national_football_team" title="1950 Saarland national football team">1950 Saarland national football team</a> <a href="/wiki/1951_Saarland_national_football_team" title="1951 Saarland national football team">1951 Saarland national football team</a> <a href="/wiki/1952_Saarland_national_football_team" title="1952 Saarland national football team">1952 Saarland national football team</a> <a href="/wiki/1954_Saarland_national_football_team" title="1954 Saarland national football team">1954 Saarland national football team</a> <a href="/wiki/1955_Saarland_national_football_team" title="1955 Saarland national football team">1955 Saarland national football team</a> <a href="/wiki/1956_Saarland_national_football_team" title="1956 Saarland national football team">1956 Saarland national football team</a> - this seems quite overly detailed to me. We have some national team results by decade, isn't that enough? <a href="/wiki/User:Geschichte" title="User:Geschichte">Geschichte</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geschichte" title="User talk:Geschichte">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Geschichte-20241118220500-National_football_team_seasons" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Geschichte-20241118220500-National_football_team_seasons"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Geschichte-20241118220500-National_football_team_seasons"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sgubaldo-20241118221600-Geschichte-20241118220500"></span>I would merge all of those into one article <a href="/w/index.php?title=Saarland_national_football_team_results&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Saarland national football team results (page does not exist)">Saarland national football team results</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Sgubaldo" title="User:Sgubaldo">Sgubaldo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sgubaldo" title="User talk:Sgubaldo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Sgubaldo-20241118221600-Geschichte-20241118220500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sgubaldo-20241118221600-Geschichte-20241118220500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sgubaldo-20241118221600-Geschichte-20241118220500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sgubaldo-20241118221900-Sgubaldo-20241118221600"></span>Honestly, you could probably even consider just dumping everything in the main <a href="/wiki/Saarland_national_football_team" title="Saarland national football team">Saarland national football team</a> article. <a href="/wiki/User:Sgubaldo" title="User:Sgubaldo">Sgubaldo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sgubaldo" title="User talk:Sgubaldo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Sgubaldo-20241118221900-Sgubaldo-20241118221600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sgubaldo-20241118221900-Sgubaldo-20241118221600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sgubaldo-20241118221900-Sgubaldo-20241118221600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stevie_fae_Scotland-20241118225700-Sgubaldo-20241118221900"></span>Totally agree, they struggle to meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> on their own but are notable as a collection. If they can fit reasonably on the main Saarland national team page, I would merge there. <a href="/wiki/User:Stevie_fae_Scotland" title="User:Stevie fae Scotland">Stevie fae Scotland</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stevie_fae_Scotland" title="User talk:Stevie fae Scotland">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Stevie_fae_Scotland-20241118225700-Sgubaldo-20241118221900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stevie_fae_Scotland-20241118225700-Sgubaldo-20241118221900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stevie_fae_Scotland-20241118225700-Sgubaldo-20241118221900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spike_'em-20241118230100-Geschichte-20241118220500"></span>6 articles to list 15 matches is a joke. <a href="/wiki/User:Spike_%27em" title="User:Spike 'em">Spike 'em</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spike_%27em" title="User talk:Spike 'em">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Spike_'em-20241118230100-Geschichte-20241118220500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spike_'em-20241118230100-Geschichte-20241118220500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spike_'em-20241118230100-Geschichte-20241118220500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SounderBruce-20241118234600-Geschichte-20241118220500"></span>It would be more appropriate to have these "seasons" described in the yearly "in X football" articles, such as <a href="/wiki/2024_in_American_soccer" title="2024 in American soccer">2024 in American soccer</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:SounderBruce" title="User:SounderBruce"><span style="background:#2dc84d; color:#0033a0; padding:2px;">Sounder</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SounderBruce" title="User talk:SounderBruce"><span style="background:#7ce0d3; color:black; padding:2px;">Bruce</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-SounderBruce-20241118234600-Geschichte-20241118220500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SounderBruce-20241118234600-Geschichte-20241118220500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SounderBruce-20241118234600-Geschichte-20241118220500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Svartner-20241120035200-Geschichte-20241118220500"></span>Totally unnecessary forks, the Saarland national team only lasted a few years, everything can be summarized in the main article as <a href="/wiki/User:Sgubaldo" title="User:Sgubaldo">Sgubaldo</a> suggested. <a href="/wiki/User:Svartner" title="User:Svartner">Svartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Svartner" title="User talk:Svartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Svartner-20241120035200-Geschichte-20241118220500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Svartner-20241120035200-Geschichte-20241118220500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Svartner-20241120035200-Geschichte-20241118220500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spike_'em-20241120073800-Geschichte-20241118220500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:FastCube" title="User:FastCube">FastCube</a> please see above, the pages you created are seen as being excessive. <a href="/wiki/User:Spike_%27em" title="User:Spike 'em">Spike 'em</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spike_%27em" title="User talk:Spike 'em">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Spike_'em-20241120073800-Geschichte-20241118220500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spike_'em-20241120073800-Geschichte-20241118220500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spike_'em-20241120073800-Geschichte-20241118220500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FastCube-20241120094500-Spike_'em-20241120073800"></span>Agreed that yearly national team articles are not notable and should definitely be merged into <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Country_seasons" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Country seasons">country seasons</a>; even I was extremely hesistant of them back then in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Australia_task_force/Archive_4#National_team_results" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Australia task force/Archive 4">this discussion</a> in the Australia task force. So long that if we remove/merge the yearly national team articles, then <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_national_football_team_season" title="Template:Infobox national football team season">Template:Infobox national football team season</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:National_association_football_team_results_by_year" title="Category:National association football team results by year">Category:National association football team results by year</a> should be no more as well. <a href="/wiki/User:FastCube" title="User:FastCube">FastCube</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FastCube" title="User talk:FastCube">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-FastCube-20241120094500-Spike_'em-20241120073800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FastCube-20241120094500-Spike_'em-20241120073800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FastCube-20241120094500-Spike_'em-20241120073800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crowsus-20241120151100-FastCube-20241120094500"></span>So this was all to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POINTY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POINTY">make a point</a> about the other 'results by year' articles? I do feel those are also excessive / unnecessary and should be merged. On the Saarland subject, there is not even anything to be merged, the results are already listed on the main team article and have been for a few years. <a href="/wiki/User:Crowsus" title="User:Crowsus">Crowsus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crowsus" title="User talk:Crowsus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Crowsus-20241120151100-FastCube-20241120094500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crowsus-20241120151100-FastCube-20241120094500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crowsus-20241120151100-FastCube-20241120094500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-Categories-20241120131900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Categories-20241120131900"></span>Categories<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Categories-20241120131900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Categories"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevampedEditor-20241120131900-Categories"></span>Let's see if, 18 years later, i am still seeing this wrong and thus need a wiki-lesson... </p><p><a href="/wiki/Iv%C3%A1n_Balliu" title="Iván Balliu">Iván Balliu</a>: i removed the "Albanian expatriate sportspeople in Portugal" category because it seems a wrong one. The subject left <a href="/wiki/F.C._Arouca" title="F.C. Arouca">F.C. Arouca</a> (thus Portugal) in June 2015, and he obtained Albanian citizenship/won his first cap in August/October 2017. </p><p>I explained that reasoning in my edit summary, was immediately reverted and the other user did not use a single word for their actions. Where do we stand regarding this, please? And if the aforementioned category is indeed correct and i had no business removing it in the first place, why is that? </p><p>Attentively, enjoy the rest of your day <a href="/wiki/User:RevampedEditor" title="User:RevampedEditor">RevampedEditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RevampedEditor" title="User talk:RevampedEditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-RevampedEditor-20241120131900-Categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevampedEditor-20241120131900-Categories"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevampedEditor-20241120131900-Categories"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crowsus-20241120150500-RevampedEditor-20241120131900"></span>You're correct as far as I am aware, there appears to be no doubt about the citizenship timeline: he wasn't Albanian when in Portugal. <a href="/wiki/User:Crowsus" title="User:Crowsus">Crowsus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crowsus" title="User talk:Crowsus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Crowsus-20241120150500-RevampedEditor-20241120131900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crowsus-20241120150500-RevampedEditor-20241120131900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crowsus-20241120150500-RevampedEditor-20241120131900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GiantSnowman-20241121173600-Crowsus-20241120150500"></span>Agreed. <a href="/wiki/User:GiantSnowman" title="User:GiantSnowman">Giant</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GiantSnowman" title="User talk:GiantSnowman">Snowman</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-GiantSnowman-20241121173600-Crowsus-20241120150500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GiantSnowman-20241121173600-Crowsus-20241120150500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GiantSnowman-20241121173600-Crowsus-20241120150500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RevampedEditor-20241122123100-Categories"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Crowsus" title="User:Crowsus">Crowsus</a> and @<a href="/wiki/User:GiantSnowman" title="User:GiantSnowman">Giant</a>, thank you very much for your inputs. I'd say thus that there seems to be a consensus, so i re-removed the category and redirected the other user to this discussion (in the edit summaries); let's see if they respect it. --<a href="/wiki/User:RevampedEditor" title="User:RevampedEditor">RevampedEditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RevampedEditor" title="User talk:RevampedEditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-RevampedEditor-20241122123100-Categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RevampedEditor-20241122123100-Categories"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RevampedEditor-20241122123100-Categories"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RedPatch-20241122171600-RevampedEditor-20241122123100"></span>I added a hidden note underneath the categories explaining it. It likely is a Good Faith edit misunderstanding by the person who added it. <a href="/wiki/User:RedPatch" title="User:RedPatch">RedPatch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RedPatch" title="User talk:RedPatch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-RedPatch-20241122171600-RevampedEditor-20241122123100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RedPatch-20241122171600-RevampedEditor-20241122123100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RedPatch-20241122171600-RevampedEditor-20241122123100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Justine_Emmanuel" data-mw-thread-id="h-Justine_Emmanuel-20241121102600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Justine_Emmanuel-20241121102600"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Justine_Emmanuel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Justine Emmanuel (page does not exist)">Justine Emmanuel</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Justine_Emmanuel-20241121102600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Justine Emmanuel"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Govvy-20241121102600-Justine_Emmanuel"></span>No one seemed to noticed, this was recreated 15 days after it was deleted. Should it not be deleted and SALT? <a href="/wiki/User:Govvy" title="User:Govvy">Govvy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Govvy" title="User talk:Govvy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Govvy-20241121102600-Justine_Emmanuel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Govvy-20241121102600-Justine_Emmanuel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Govvy-20241121102600-Justine_Emmanuel"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_Serie_A_broadcasters" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_Serie_A_broadcasters-20241121102800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_Serie_A_broadcasters-20241121102800"></span><a href="/wiki/List_of_Serie_A_broadcasters" title="List of Serie A broadcasters">List of Serie A broadcasters</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_Serie_A_broadcasters-20241121102800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: List of Serie A broadcasters"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Govvy-20241121102800-List_of_Serie_A_broadcasters"></span>Also recreated after deletion? Or was it recreated after a DRV? <a href="/wiki/User:Govvy" title="User:Govvy">Govvy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Govvy" title="User talk:Govvy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Govvy-20241121102800-List_of_Serie_A_broadcasters" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Govvy-20241121102800-List_of_Serie_A_broadcasters"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Govvy-20241121102800-List_of_Serie_A_broadcasters"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spike_'em-20241121111300-Govvy-20241121102800"></span>If you look at the page history it was CSD/G4ed, but an admin declined as it was expanded from the previous deleted version. You'd have to AfD it again if you feel it's not worthy of an article. <a href="/wiki/User:Spike_%27em" title="User:Spike 'em">Spike 'em</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spike_%27em" title="User talk:Spike 'em">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Spike_'em-20241121111300-Govvy-20241121102800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spike_'em-20241121111300-Govvy-20241121102800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spike_'em-20241121111300-Govvy-20241121102800"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joseph2302-20241121115500-Spike_'em-20241121111300"></span>New AFD started: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Serie_A_broadcasters_(2nd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Serie A broadcasters (2nd nomination)">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Serie A broadcasters (2nd nomination)</a>. Everyone feel free to contribute there. <a href="/wiki/User:Joseph2302" title="User:Joseph2302"><b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseph2302" title="User talk:Joseph2302"><b style="color:#000000">2302</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joseph2302" title="User talk:Joseph2302">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Joseph2302-20241121115500-Spike_'em-20241121111300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joseph2302-20241121115500-Spike_'em-20241121111300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joseph2302-20241121115500-Spike_'em-20241121111300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Govvy-20241121171600-Joseph2302-20241121115500"></span>Thanks Joseph, posted my thoughts on that AfD. <a href="/wiki/User:Govvy" title="User:Govvy">Govvy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Govvy" title="User talk:Govvy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Govvy-20241121171600-Joseph2302-20241121115500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Govvy-20241121171600-Joseph2302-20241121115500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Govvy-20241121171600-Joseph2302-20241121115500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Timestamps_in_infoboxes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Timestamps_in_infoboxes-20241124163100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Timestamps_in_infoboxes-20241124163100"></span>Timestamps in infoboxes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Timestamps_in_infoboxes-20241124163100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Timestamps in infoboxes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spiderone-20241124163100-Timestamps_in_infoboxes"></span>Hi all, I've just been on the user talk of a user that amends infoboxes every week but never, ever updates the timestamp. They've been warned several times for over 12 months to do this but, as of today, they still choose not to. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that no matter how many times I ask them to do it, they'll never actually do it. As this is not vandalism or disruptive editing per se, it's very hard to encourage certain users to use the timestamp. I wonder if our standard infobox template would benefit from some hidden comments that guide the user to amend the timestamp? For example, in tennis infoboxes (e.g. <a href="/wiki/Aryna_Sabalenka" title="Aryna Sabalenka">Aryna Sabalenka</a>) there are many instructions such as <i>first date is death date, second date is birth date</i> and <i>NEVER UPDATE UNTIL THE WTA/ATP WEBSITE IS UPDATED (usually on a Monday)</i> - that way, there is zero excuse when someone doesn't follow protocol. <a href="/wiki/User:Spiderone" title="User:Spiderone"><span style="color: #996600">Spiderone</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spiderone" title="User talk:Spiderone"><span style="color:brown">(Talk to Spider)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Spiderone-20241124163100-Timestamps_in_infoboxes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spiderone-20241124163100-Timestamps_in_infoboxes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spiderone-20241124163100-Timestamps_in_infoboxes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GiantSnowman-20241124163500-Spiderone-20241124163100"></span>It <i>is</i> disruptive editing - it's essentially repeatedly adding factually incorrect information to BLPs. Hidden comments still get ignored. Blocking is a much more effective way of preventing disruption... <a href="/wiki/User:GiantSnowman" title="User:GiantSnowman">Giant</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GiantSnowman" title="User talk:GiantSnowman">Snowman</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-GiantSnowman-20241124163500-Spiderone-20241124163100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GiantSnowman-20241124163500-Spiderone-20241124163100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GiantSnowman-20241124163500-Spiderone-20241124163100"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spiderone-20241124165600-GiantSnowman-20241124163500"></span>Fair enough. I don't know why people don't do it, even after several reminders. It only takes a few seconds and it helps readers to see that the info is up to date. <a href="/wiki/User:Spiderone" title="User:Spiderone"><span style="color: #996600">Spiderone</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spiderone" title="User talk:Spiderone"><span style="color:brown">(Talk to Spider)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Spiderone-20241124165600-GiantSnowman-20241124163500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spiderone-20241124165600-GiantSnowman-20241124163500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spiderone-20241124165600-GiantSnowman-20241124163500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChrisTheDude-20241124170100-Spiderone-20241124165600"></span>I agree that it might not be intentionally disruptive but it is disruptive. Periodically I see someone making such an edit on an article on my watchlist, which by itself wouldn't be too bad but I then click on their contributions and see they have made similar edits at the same time to 20 or 30 other articles, all of which I then have to fix....... -- <a href="/wiki/User:ChrisTheDude" title="User:ChrisTheDude">ChrisTheDude</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChrisTheDude" title="User talk:ChrisTheDude">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-ChrisTheDude-20241124170100-Spiderone-20241124165600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChrisTheDude-20241124170100-Spiderone-20241124165600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChrisTheDude-20241124170100-Spiderone-20241124165600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GiantSnowman-20241124170500-ChrisTheDude-20241124170100"></span>It's an indication of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIR">a lack of competence</a>... <a href="/wiki/User:GiantSnowman" title="User:GiantSnowman">Giant</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GiantSnowman" title="User talk:GiantSnowman">Snowman</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-GiantSnowman-20241124170500-ChrisTheDude-20241124170100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GiantSnowman-20241124170500-ChrisTheDude-20241124170100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GiantSnowman-20241124170500-ChrisTheDude-20241124170100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robby.is.on-20241124185600-Spiderone-20241124165600"></span>Sometimes, sadly, I think it's that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:THEYCANTHEARYOU" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:THEYCANTHEARYOU">WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Robby.is.on" title="User:Robby.is.on">Robby.is.on</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robby.is.on" title="User talk:Robby.is.on">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Robby.is.on-20241124185600-Spiderone-20241124165600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robby.is.on-20241124185600-Spiderone-20241124165600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robby.is.on-20241124185600-Spiderone-20241124165600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Former_nationality_footballer"_or_"Nationality_former_footballer"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Former_nationality_footballer"_or_"Nationality_former_footballer"-20241125171900"><span id=".22Former_nationality_footballer.22_or_.22Nationality_former_footballer.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Former_nationality_footballer"_or_"Nationality_former_footballer"-20241125171900"></span>"Former nationality footballer" or "Nationality former footballer"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Former_nationality_footballer"_or_"Nationality_former_footballer"-20241125171900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: "Former nationality footballer" or "Nationality former footballer""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unknown_Temptation-20241125171900-"Former_nationality_footballer"_or_"Nationality_former_footballer""></span>OK, so I don't want to start the world's lamest edit war, so I'm just bringing this here for additional input. </p> <ul><li>9 November: I create the page <a href="/wiki/Jokin_Uria" title="Jokin Uria">Jokin Uria</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:TheLongTone" title="User:TheLongTone">TheLongTone</a> makes an edit with the summary "grammar" <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jokin_Uria&diff=prev&oldid=1256366164">[1]</a> This changes Uria from a "Spanish former footballer" to a "former Spanish footballer"</li> <li>I undo with the summary "he's still Spanish" <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jokin_Uria&diff=prev&oldid=1256369382">[2]</a></li></ul> <ul><li>23 November: I create the page <a href="/wiki/Mart%C3%ADn_Begiristain" title="Martín Begiristain">Martín Begiristain</a></li> <li>TheLongTone edits with the summary "nobody has a career as a former footballer" <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mart%C3%ADn_Begiristain&diff=prev&oldid=1259132823">[3]</a>.</li> <li>I revert and say that every other page I have seen uses this wording. I reference this talk page as where we can get <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONSENSUS">WP:CONSENSUS</a> for something that concerns hundreds of thousands of pages</li> <li>TheLongTone makes a second revert and says "they are all wrong" <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mart%C3%ADn_Begiristain&diff=prev&oldid=1259507353">[4]</a></li></ul> <p>Now, I'm probably going to be accused of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CANVAS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CANVAS">WP:CANVASsing</a> like-minded people, but surely this is where we get <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONSENSUS">WP:CONSENSUS</a> on things that apply to loads of pages. I haven't seen TheLongTone editing in football before, there's nothing wrong with that, but it's going to make pages stick out if you're only making a change on one of many. You get consensus for something shared across loads of pages. </p><p>"Former Spanish footballer" is incorrect. The man is still alive and still Spanish. The wording says that he is formerly Spanish, or formerly involved in something called "Spanish football". Note the difference between "Former French horn player" and "French former horn player", or "Former Brazilian jujitsu instructor" and "Brazilian former jujitsu instructor". </p><p>Also consider that "former" can be substituted by "ex-". Would we say "Manchester United's ex-Scottish manager" or "Manchester United's Scottish ex-manager"? </p><p>This isn't even an esoteric football thing. "American former actor" <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_LeBlanc">[5]</a> "Dutch former politician and former civil servant" <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wassila_Hachchi">[6]</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Unknown_Temptation&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Unknown Temptation (page does not exist)">Unknown Temptation</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Unknown_Temptation" title="User talk:Unknown Temptation">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Unknown_Temptation-20241125171900-"Former_nationality_footballer"_or_"Nationality_former_footballer"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unknown_Temptation-20241125171900-"Former_nationality_footballer"_or_"Nationality_former_footballer""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unknown_Temptation-20241125171900-"Former_nationality_footballer"_or_"Nationality_former_footballer""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kante4-20241125172500-Unknown_Temptation-20241125171900"></span>Spanish former as, as you said, he's still spanish and alive. <a href="/wiki/User:Kante4" title="User:Kante4">Kante4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kante4" title="User talk:Kante4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Kante4-20241125172500-Unknown_Temptation-20241125171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kante4-20241125172500-Unknown_Temptation-20241125171900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kante4-20241125172500-Unknown_Temptation-20241125171900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GiantSnowman-20241125181100-Kante4-20241125172500"></span>It should be '[Nationality] former footballer', not 'former [Nationality] footballer'. People still retain their nationality even if retired from their profession. <a href="/wiki/User:GiantSnowman" title="User:GiantSnowman">Giant</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GiantSnowman" title="User talk:GiantSnowman">Snowman</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-GiantSnowman-20241125181100-Kante4-20241125172500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GiantSnowman-20241125181100-Kante4-20241125172500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GiantSnowman-20241125181100-Kante4-20241125172500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChrisTheDude-20241125185500-GiantSnowman-20241125181100"></span>100% agree. "Former Spanish footballer" could be interpreted to mean that he is now a French footballer or a German footballer -- <a href="/wiki/User:ChrisTheDude" title="User:ChrisTheDude">ChrisTheDude</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChrisTheDude" title="User talk:ChrisTheDude">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-ChrisTheDude-20241125185500-GiantSnowman-20241125181100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChrisTheDude-20241125185500-GiantSnowman-20241125181100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChrisTheDude-20241125185500-GiantSnowman-20241125181100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrazilianDude70-20241125191400-ChrisTheDude-20241125185500"></span>Spanish former footballer is the correct form. <a href="/wiki/User:BrazilianDude70" title="User:BrazilianDude70"><span style="color:orange">BRDude<sup>70</sup></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrazilianDude70" title="User talk:BrazilianDude70"><span style="color:purple">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-BrazilianDude70-20241125191400-ChrisTheDude-20241125185500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrazilianDude70-20241125191400-ChrisTheDude-20241125185500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrazilianDude70-20241125191400-ChrisTheDude-20241125185500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Koncorde-20241125214600-BrazilianDude70-20241125191400"></span>As above. Grammatically the structure matters particularly if the word used is "former". If we were to use the term "retired" it would be passable. However there are plenty of instances where former reads better (such as when they have follow on careers) and the consensus on wikipedia is still "Name retired job" or "Name former job" (see <a href="/wiki/Michael_Caine" title="Michael Caine">Michael Caine</a>, <a href="/wiki/Gene_Hackman" title="Gene Hackman">Gene Hackman</a>, <a href="/wiki/Jack_Nicholson" title="Jack Nicholson">Jack Nicholson</a>, <a href="/wiki/Jessica_Ennis-Hill" title="Jessica Ennis-Hill">Jessica Ennis-Hill</a>, <a href="/wiki/Carl_Fogarty" title="Carl Fogarty">Carl Fogarty</a>, <a href="/wiki/James_Toseland" title="James Toseland">James Toseland</a> and so on). There's some nuance to be had in some cases I am sure (particularly where a person has a long career with multiple roles where what they are notable for changes). <a href="/wiki/User:Koncorde" title="User:Koncorde">Koncorde</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Koncorde" title="User talk:Koncorde">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Koncorde-20241125214600-BrazilianDude70-20241125191400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Koncorde-20241125214600-BrazilianDude70-20241125191400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Koncorde-20241125214600-BrazilianDude70-20241125191400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)" data-mw-thread-id="h-James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)-20241126095000"><span id="James_Rowe_.28footballer.2C_born_1983.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)-20241126095000"></span><a href="/wiki/James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)" title="James Rowe (footballer, born 1983)">James Rowe (footballer, born 1983)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)-20241126095000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: James Rowe (footballer, born 1983)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241126095000-James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)"></span>There's edit-warring about which sources can be used for his statistics. If you can help, please do. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241126095000-James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241126095000-James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241126095000-James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Egghead06-20241126111000-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241126095000"></span>It’s a bit more than that. Numerous anon IPs and one particular editor appear to wish to remove anything which shows the subject in a bad light while also emphasising his qualifications and managerial record (by expecting the reader to go through all the fixtures listed on Soccerway and adding up games, wins, etc.) No proof but such dedication might indicate a closeness to the subject and thus a conflict of interest?--<a href="/wiki/User:Egghead06" title="User:Egghead06">Egghead06</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Egghead06" title="User talk:Egghead06">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Egghead06-20241126111000-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241126095000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:10, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Egghead06-20241126111000-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241126095000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Egghead06-20241126111000-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241126095000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RedPatch-20241126145000-Egghead06-20241126111000"></span>Numerous SPAs have edited the article in the same way over the past few dating back to article creation. Likely the same person each time coming up with a new account. It has been discussed on this page a few times already. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_136#James_Rowe_(football_manager)" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 136">Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_136#James_Rowe_(football_manager)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_149#James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983),_BLP-issue" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 149">Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_149#James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983),_BLP-issue</a>. This time around it got semi-protected, but now that the 4 days for autoconfirmed status has passed, they are now re-starting the removal of info. <a href="/wiki/User:RedPatch" title="User:RedPatch">RedPatch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RedPatch" title="User talk:RedPatch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-RedPatch-20241126145000-Egghead06-20241126111000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RedPatch-20241126145000-Egghead06-20241126111000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RedPatch-20241126145000-Egghead06-20241126111000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Koncorde-20241126174100-RedPatch-20241126145000"></span>I can see a few things that do need tidying there, I think there's better ways to deal with some of the content. But if there is a dedicated anti-content user then a request for page protection is required. <a href="/wiki/User:Koncorde" title="User:Koncorde">Koncorde</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Koncorde" title="User talk:Koncorde">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Koncorde-20241126174100-RedPatch-20241126145000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Koncorde-20241126174100-RedPatch-20241126145000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Koncorde-20241126174100-RedPatch-20241126145000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Number_57-20241126181900-James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)"></span>Worth remembering that this article has a long history of COI and SPA editing (I believe the creator was his mother). The edit summaries of the 'new' user editing the article suggests they may be a continuation of the former. <a href="/wiki/User:Number_57" title="User:Number 57"><span style="color: orange;">Number</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Number_57" title="User talk:Number 57"><span style="color: green;">5</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Number_57" title="Special:Contributions/Number 57"><span style="color: blue;">7</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Number_57-20241126181900-James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Number_57-20241126181900-James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Number_57-20241126181900-James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RedPatch-20241126194400-Number_57-20241126181900"></span>Also interesting how they their issue is with vandalism, but then went and made <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daniel_Webb_(footballer)&diff=prev&oldid=1258759729">this edit</a> on another article. <a href="/wiki/User:RedPatch" title="User:RedPatch">RedPatch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RedPatch" title="User talk:RedPatch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-RedPatch-20241126194400-Number_57-20241126181900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RedPatch-20241126194400-Number_57-20241126181900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RedPatch-20241126194400-Number_57-20241126181900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241127093900-RedPatch-20241126194400"></span>If an un-involved admin would like to up the protection-level or issue a page-block, that'd be great. But then, I'm one of the vandals. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241127093900-RedPatch-20241126194400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241127093900-RedPatch-20241126194400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241127093900-RedPatch-20241126194400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241127095800-RedPatch-20241126194400"></span>IMO, <a href="/wiki/Talk:James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)#And_we_have_another_WP:EW" title="Talk:James Rowe (footballer, born 1983)">Talk:James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)#And_we_have_another_WP:EW</a> indicates that a block is reasonable. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241127095800-RedPatch-20241126194400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241127095800-RedPatch-20241126194400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241127095800-RedPatch-20241126194400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241127145700-James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)"></span>Noting <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Super_Mario_1887&diff=prev&oldid=1259852193">[7]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241127145700-James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241127145700-James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång-20241127145700-James_Rowe_(footballer,_born_1983)"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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