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sense</b><br/>(qualifier) statement applies only to listed senses of statement's object</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-sense" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Sense</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L22603" title="Lexeme:L22603">no label</a> <small>(L22603)</small> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Lexeme:L8627-S1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Lexeme:L8627-S1 (page does not exist)">no label</a> <small>(L8627-S1)</small><br/><a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L22604" title="Lexeme:L22604">no label</a> <small>(L22604)</small> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Lexeme:L3340-S1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Lexeme:L3340-S1 (page does not exist)">no label</a> <small>(L3340-S1)</small><br/><a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L22605" title="Lexeme:L22605">no label</a> <small>(L22605)</small> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Lexeme:L3537-S1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Lexeme:L3537-S1 (page does not exist)">no label</a> <small>(L3537-S1)</small></td></tr><tr><th>See also</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P5548" title="Property:P5548">object form</a> <small>(P5548)</small>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P12410" title="Property:P12410">semantic derivation of</a> <small>(P12410)</small></td></tr><tr><th>Lists</th><td> <ul><li><a class="external text" 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count%29%20BIND%28%3Fd1%20AS%20%3Fday%29%20INCLUDE%20%25revs%7D%20UNION%0A%20%20%7BBIND%28%3Fc2%20AS%20%3Fcount%29%20BIND%28%3Fd2%20AS%20%3Fday%29%20INCLUDE%20%25revs%7D%20UNION%0A%20%20%7BBIND%28%3Fc3%20AS%20%3Fcount%29%20BIND%28%3Fd3%20AS%20%3Fday%29%20INCLUDE%20%25revs%7D%20UNION%0A%20%20%7BBIND%28%3Fc4%20AS%20%3Fcount%29%20BIND%28%3Fd4%20AS%20%3Fday%29%20INCLUDE%20%25revs%7D%20UNION%0A%20%20%7BBIND%28%3Fc5%20AS%20%3Fcount%29%20BIND%28%3Fd5%20AS%20%3Fday%29%20INCLUDE%20%25revs%7D%20UNION%0A%20%20%7BBIND%28%3Fc6%20AS%20%3Fcount%29%20BIND%28%3Fd6%20AS%20%3Fday%29%20INCLUDE%20%25revs%7D%20UNION%0A%20%20%7BBIND%28%3Fc7%20AS%20%3Fcount%29%20BIND%28%3Fd7%20AS%20%3Fday%29%20INCLUDE%20%25revs%7D%20UNION%0A%20%20%7BBIND%28%3Fc8%20AS%20%3Fcount%29%20BIND%28%3Fd8%20AS%20%3Fday%29%20INCLUDE%20%25revs%7D%20UNION%0A%20%20%7BBIND%28%3Fc9%20AS%20%3Fcount%29%20BIND%28%3Fd9%20AS%20%3Fday%29%20INCLUDE%20%25revs%7D%20UNION%0A%20%20%7BBIND%28%3Fc10%20AS%20%3Fcount%29%20BIND%28%3Fd10%20AS%20%3Fday%29%20INCLUDE%20%25revs%7D%0A%20%20FILTER%28%3Fcount%20%21%3D%20-1%29%0A%7D">Usage history (main statement)</a></li></ul></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://query.wikidata.org/embed.html#%23defaultView%3AAreaChart%0ASELECT%20%3Fdate%20%3Fcumulativecount%0A%7B%0A%20%20%20%20hint%3AQuery%20hint%3Aoptimizer%20%22None%22.%0A%20%20%20%20%7B%20%20%20SELECT%20%3Fmilestonep%20%28COUNT%28%3Fitem%29%20as%20%3Fcumulativecount%29%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20WHERE%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP5980%20%5B%5D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20BIND%28%20xsd%3Ainteger%28%20substr%28str%28%3Fitem%29%2C%2033%29%29%20as%20%3Fqid%29%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wd%3AQ38074555%20p%3AP1114%20%3Fmilestonep%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fmilestonep%20ps%3AP1114%20%3Fmilestone%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20FILTER%28%20%3Fmilestone%20%3E%20%3Fqid%20%29%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20GROUP%20BY%20%3Fmilestonep%0A%20%20%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fmilestonep%20pq%3AP585%20%3Fdate%0A%7D">Chart by item creation date</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P5980" title="Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P5980">Database reports/Constraint violations/P5980</a></li></ul></td></tr><tr><th>Proposal discussion</th><td><a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/derived_from_sense" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/derived from sense">Proposal discussion</a></td></tr><tr><th>Current uses</th><td><table class="wikitable" style="font-size:smaller;text-align:right"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align:left"><b>Total</b></td><td>10,064</td><td></td></tr><tr><td style="text-align:left">Main statement</td><td><a class="external text" href="https://query.wikidata.org/#%23%20This%20query%20finds%20all%20usages%20of%20property%20P5980%20AS%20a%20statement.%0A%23%0A%23%20Important%20note%3A%20most%20SPARQL%20users%20don%27t%20need%20such%20level%20of%20complication%21%0A%23%20If%20you%20want%20to%20get%20only%20concrete%20values%20with%20best%20rank%2C%20replace%20body%20with%20something%20like%3A%0A%23%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP5980%20%3Fvalue.%0A%0ASELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fstatement%20%3Frank%20%3Fsnaktype%20%3Fvalue%0A%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP5980%20%3Fstatement%20.%0A%20%20%3Fstatement%20wikibase%3Arank%20%3Frank%20.%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fstatement%20ps%3AP5980%20%3Fdbvalue%20%7D%0A%0A%20%20BIND%28COALESCE%28IF%28wikibase%3AisSomeValue%28%3Fdbvalue%29%2C%20%22unknown%22%2C%20%22concrete%22%29%2C%20%22novalue%22%29%20AS%20%3Fsnaktype%29%0A%20%20BIND%28IF%28wikibase%3AisSomeValue%28%3Fdbvalue%29%2C%20%22%22%2C%20%3Fdbvalue%29%20AS%20%3Fvalue%29%0A%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22%20%7D%0A%7D%0ALIMIT%201000%0A">2</a></td><td><0.1% of uses</td></tr><tr><td style="text-align:left">Qualifier</td><td><a class="external text" href="https://query.wikidata.org/#%23%20This%20query%20finds%20all%20usages%20of%20property%20P5980%20as%20a%20qualifier.%0A%23%0A%23%20Important%20note%3A%20most%20SPARQL%20users%20don%27t%20need%20such%20level%20of%20complication%21%0A%23%20If%20you%20want%20to%20get%20only%20concrete%20values%20with%20best%20rank%2C%20replace%20body%20with%20something%20like%3A%0A%23%20%3Fitem%20%3Frelation%20%5Brdf%3Atype%20wikibase%3ABestRank%3B%20pq%3AP5980%20%3Fvalue%5D%0A%23%0A%23%20Implementation%20note%3A%20it%20is%20not%20possible%20to%20distinguish%20between%20items%20where%20statement%20looks%20like%3A%0A%23%20P5980%3A%20novalue%20with%20qualifier%20P5980%3A%20novalue%2C%20AS%20both%20facts%20are%20stored%20in%20a%20form%20of%3A%0A%23%20%28p%3Axxxx%20rdf%3Atype%20wdno%3AP5980%29%0A%0ASELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Frelitem%20%3FrelitemLabel%20%3Fstatement%20%3Frank%20%3Fsnaktype%20%3Fvalue%20%3Fqual_snaktype%20%3Fqual_value%0AWITH%20%7B%0A%20%20SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3Frelitem%20%3Fstatement%20%3Fqual_snaktype%20%3Fqual_value%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20hint%3AQuery%20hint%3Aoptimizer%20%22None%22%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fstatement%20pq%3AP5980%20%3Fqual_dbvalue%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fitem%20%3Frelation%20%3Fstatement%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Frelation%20rdf%3Atype%20owl%3AObjectProperty%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Frelitem%20wikibase%3Aclaim%20%3Frelation%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%7D%20UNION%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fstatement%20rdf%3Atype%20wdno%3AP5980%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fitem%20%3Frelation%20%3Fstatement%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Frelation%20rdf%3Atype%20owl%3AObjectProperty%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Frelitem%20wikibase%3Aclaim%20%3Frelation%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20FILTER%28%3Frelation%20%21%3D%20p%3AP5980%29%0A%20%20%20%20%7D%20UNION%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fstatement%20rdf%3Atype%20wdno%3AP5980%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP5980%20%3Fstatement%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%3Fstatement%20ps%3AP5980%20%5B%5D%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20BIND%28wd%3AP5980%20AS%20%3Frelitem%29%0A%20%20%20%20%7D%0A%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%28COALESCE%28IF%28wikibase%3AisSomeValue%28%3Fqual_dbvalue%29%2C%20%22%22%2C%20%3Fqual_dbvalue%29%2C%20%22%22%29%20AS%20%3Fqual_value%29%0A%20%20%20%20BIND%28COALESCE%28IF%28wikibase%3AisSomeValue%28%3Fqual_dbvalue%29%2C%20%22unknown%22%2C%20%22concrete%22%29%2C%20%22novalue%22%29%20AS%20%3Fqual_snaktype%29%0A%20%20%7D%20LIMIT%201000%0A%7D%20AS%20%25statements%0A%7B%0A%20%20INCLUDE%20%25statements%0A%0A%20%20%3Fstatement%20wikibase%3Arank%20%3Frank%20.%0A%20%20%3Frelitem%20wikibase%3AstatementProperty%20%3Fps%20.%0A%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fstatement%20%3Fps%20%3Fdbvalue%20%7D%0A%0A%20%20BIND%28COALESCE%28IF%28wikibase%3AisSomeValue%28%3Fdbvalue%29%2C%20%22unknown%22%2C%20%22concrete%22%29%2C%20%22novalue%22%29%20AS%20%3Fsnaktype%29%0A%20%20BIND%28IF%28wikibase%3AisSomeValue%28%3Fdbvalue%29%2C%20%22%22%2C%20%3Fdbvalue%29%20AS%20%3Fvalue%29%0A%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22%20%7D%0A%7D%0A">10,062</a></td><td>>99.9% of uses</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><th>Search for values</th><td><div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox mw-inputbox-form-inline" action="/wiki/Special:Search"><div class="cdx-text-input"><input class="mw-searchInput searchboxInput cdx-text-input__input" name="search" value="haswbstatement:"P5980=L8627-S1"" placeholder="" size="80" dir="ltr"/></div> <input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Search for 'L8627-S1'" class="cdx-button"/><input type="hidden" value="Search" name="fulltext"/></form></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div><div dir="ltr">[<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Help:P5980&action=edit&preload=Template%3AProperty+documentation%2Fhelp+page+template"><span dir="ltr" lang="en">create</span></a> <span dir="ltr" lang="en">Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here</span>]</span></div><div class="constraint" lang="en" dir="ltr"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2262252589">.mw-parser-output .constraint{display:flex;background:var(--background-color-base,#fff);border:2px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1);padding:3px;column-gap:2px;align-items:center}.mw-parser-output .constraint.mandatory{background:var(--background-color-success-subtle,#dff2eb)}.mw-parser-output .constraint.ltr{direction:ltr}.mw-parser-output .constraint.rtl{direction:rtl}.mw-parser-output .constraint>div{margin:2px}.mw-parser-output .constraint-icon{padding:0 .5em 0 .3em;flex-shrink:0}.mw-parser-output .constraint code{white-space:pre-wrap;word-break:break-all}</style> <div class="constraint-icon"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Property_constraints_portal/Property_Scope_Constraint" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Property constraints portal/Property Scope Constraint"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Pictogram_reply_soft_green.svg/40px-Pictogram_reply_soft_green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Pictogram_reply_soft_green.svg/60px-Pictogram_reply_soft_green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Pictogram_reply_soft_green.svg/80px-Pictogram_reply_soft_green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span></div> <div><div lang="" dir="auto"><b>Scope is <a href="/wiki/Q54828449" title="Q54828449">as qualifier <small>(Q54828449)</small></a></b>: the property must be used by specified way only (<a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Property_constraints_portal/Property_Scope_Constraint" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Property constraints portal/Property Scope Constraint">Help</a>)</div><small>Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Property_constraints_portal#Constraint_parameters" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Property constraints portal">Exceptions can be specified</a> using <a href="/wiki/Property:P2303" title="Property:P2303">exception to constraint <small dir="ltr">(P2303)</small></a>. </small><br/> <small>List of violations of this constraint: <bdi lang="en"><a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P5980#Scope" title="Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P5980">Database reports/Constraint violations/P5980#Scope</a></bdi>, <a class="external text" href="https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fvalue%20%20%3FscopeLabel%0AWHERE%0A%7B%0A%09%7B%0A%09%09SELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fitem%20%3Fvalue%20%3Fscope%0A%09%09WHERE%0A%09%09%7B%0A%09%09%09%7B%0A%09%09%09%3Fitem%20p%3AP5980%2Fps%3AP5980%20%3Fvalue%20.%0A%09%09%09BIND%28wd%3AQ54828448%20AS%20%3Fscope%29%20.%0A%09%09%09%7D%20UNION%20%7B%0A%09%09%09%3Fref%20pr%3AP5980%20%3Fvalue%20.%0A%09%09%09%3Fstatement%20prov%3AwasDerivedFrom%20%3Fref%20.%0A%09%09%09%3Fitem%20%3Fp%20%3Fstatement%20.%0A%09%09%09BIND%28wd%3AQ54828450%20AS%20%3Fscope%29%20.%0A%09%09%09%7D%0A%09%09%7D%20LIMIT%20100%0A%09%7D%20.%0A%09FILTER%28%20%3Fitem%20NOT%20IN%20%28%20wd%3AQ4115189%2C%20wd%3AQ13406268%2C%20wd%3AQ15397819%20%29%20%29%20.%0A%09SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22en%22%20%7D%20.%0A%7D">SPARQL</a></small></div> </div><div class="constraint" lang="en" dir="ltr"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262252589"> <div class="constraint-icon"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Property_constraints_portal/Allowed_entity_types" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Property constraints portal/Allowed entity types"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Wikidata-HS-icon.svg/40px-Wikidata-HS-icon.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Wikidata-HS-icon.svg/60px-Wikidata-HS-icon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Wikidata-HS-icon.svg/80px-Wikidata-HS-icon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="156" data-file-height="156"/></a></span></div> <div><div lang="" dir="auto"><b>Allowed entity types are <a href="/wiki/Q51885771" title="Q51885771">Wikibase lexeme <small>(Q51885771)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Q54285715" title="Q54285715">Wikibase sense <small>(Q54285715)</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/Q29934200" title="Q29934200">Wikibase item <small>(Q29934200)</small></a></b>: the property may only be used on a certain entity type (<a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Property_constraints_portal/Allowed_entity_types" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Property constraints portal/Allowed entity types">Help</a>)</div><small>Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Property_constraints_portal#Constraint_parameters" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Property constraints portal">Exceptions can be specified</a> using <a href="/wiki/Property:P2303" title="Property:P2303">exception to constraint <small dir="ltr">(P2303)</small></a>. </small><br/> <small>List of violations of this constraint: <bdi lang="en"><a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P5980#Entity_types" title="Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P5980">Database reports/Constraint violations/P5980#Entity types</a></bdi></small></div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposal_for_use_on_senses" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposal_for_use_on_senses-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposal_for_use_on_senses-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z"></span>Proposal for use on senses<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposal_for_use_on_senses-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P5980&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Proposal for use on senses"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z-Proposal_for_use_on_senses"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Denny" title="User:Denny"><bdi>Denny</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith"><bdi>ArthurPSmith</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Deryck_Chan" title="User:Deryck Chan"><bdi>Deryck Chan</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KaMan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KaMan (page does not exist)"><bdi>KaMan</bdi></a>: @<a href="/wiki/User:Vive_la_Rosi%C3%A8re" title="User:Vive la Rosière"><bdi>Vive la Rosière</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:EncycloPetey" title="User:EncycloPetey"><bdi>EncycloPetey</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984"><bdi>Tobias1984</bdi></a>: </p><p>This is following on from the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/periphrasis" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/periphrasis">Wikidata:Property proposal/periphrasis</a>. This proposal is to use <a href="/wiki/Property:P5980" title="Property:P5980">object sense <small dir="ltr">(P5980)</small></a> instead of the proposed periphrasis property. </p><p>Currently, using <a href="/wiki/Property:P5980" title="Property:P5980">object sense <small dir="ltr">(P5980)</small></a> as a qualifier for <a href="/wiki/Property:P5191" title="Property:P5191">derived from lexeme <small dir="ltr">(P5191)</small></a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P5238" title="Property:P5238">combines lexemes <small dir="ltr">(P5238)</small></a> at the Lexeme level is good and important, however it is often the case that a whole lexeme is not derived from a single sense of an ancestor word, but that each of the lexeme's senses are derived from a different sense of the ancestor word. Since it is currently only used at the Lexeme level, there is no way at the moment to describe what ancestor senses a sense is made up of. </p><p>Proposal: Could we add an additional use-case for <a href="/wiki/Property:P5980" title="Property:P5980">object sense <small dir="ltr">(P5980)</small></a> where the subject is a Sense (i.e. used also at the sense level)? </p> <ul><li>(This is in addition to it's current usage as a qualifier at the Lexeme level.)</li> <li>This probably should only be used on Senses of Lexemes that contain a <a href="/wiki/Property:P5191" title="Property:P5191">derived from lexeme <small dir="ltr">(P5191)</small></a> or <a href="/wiki/Property:P5238" title="Property:P5238">combines lexemes <small dir="ltr">(P5238)</small></a> statement.</li> <li>This would give us a tool for defining morphosemantic relations between word senses.</li> <li>I believe this would also solve what <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/periphrasis" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/periphrasis">Wikidata:Property proposal/periphrasis</a> is trying to solve, without having to create a new property.</li></ul> <p>Alternative: Create a new property that fulfills this morphosemantic function. </p><p>Cheers, </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Liamjamesperritt" title="User:Liamjamesperritt">Liamjamesperritt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liamjamesperritt" title="User talk:Liamjamesperritt"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P5980#c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z-Proposal_for_use_on_senses" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:27, 5 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z-Proposal_for_use_on_senses"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z-Proposal_for_use_on_senses"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Liamjamesperritt" title="User:Liamjamesperritt"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deryck_Chan-2019-05-06T14:49:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z"></span>Liamjamesperritt</a>: I don't feel strongly about this. But I'm not sure what this proposal is about - are you proposing to change the scope of P5980 or the proposed "periphrasis" property? P5980 is called "derived from sense" and you're proposing to move something something from Lexeme to Sense... <a href="/wiki/User:Deryck_Chan" title="User:Deryck Chan">Deryck Chan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deryck_Chan" title="User talk:Deryck Chan"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P5980#c-Deryck_Chan-2019-05-06T14:49:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 6 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deryck_Chan-2019-05-06T14:49:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deryck_Chan-2019-05-06T14:49:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-07T04:08:00.000Z-Deryck_Chan-2019-05-06T14:49:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Deryck_Chan" title="User:Deryck Chan"><bdi>Deryck Chan</bdi></a>: Apologies for the lack of clarity. The proposal is to use <a href="/wiki/Property:P5980" title="Property:P5980">object sense <small dir="ltr">(P5980)</small></a> on senses rather than implementing the proposed "periphrasis" property. I'm not proposing we move it to the sense level, but just that the Sense level usage should be allowed in addition to the Lexeme level. Regards. <a href="/wiki/User:Liamjamesperritt" title="User:Liamjamesperritt">Liamjamesperritt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liamjamesperritt" title="User talk:Liamjamesperritt"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P5980#c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-07T04:08:00.000Z-Deryck_Chan-2019-05-06T14:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:08, 7 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-07T04:08:00.000Z-Deryck_Chan-2019-05-06T14:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-07T04:08:00.000Z-Deryck_Chan-2019-05-06T14:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArthurPSmith-2019-05-06T20:43:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z"></span>So an example where it's being used now is <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L37082" title="Lexeme:L37082"><span lang="en" dir="auto">lifeboat</span> <small>(L37082)</small></a>, pointing to one sense of "life", and it applies to the whole lexeme "lifeboat". Do you have an example where it would apply just to a sense? But I don't see any reason why it couldn't be used at the sense level if appropriate right now. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P5980#c-ArthurPSmith-2019-05-06T20:43:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:43, 6 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArthurPSmith-2019-05-06T20:43:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArthurPSmith-2019-05-06T20:43:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-07T04:36:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2019-05-06T20:43:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith"><bdi>ArthurPSmith</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Deryck_Chan" title="User:Deryck Chan"><bdi>Deryck Chan</bdi></a>: I think in a lot of cases, the whole lexeme is defined by a single sense, but there are some where that is not the case. I think adverbs formed from adjectives are common instance of this. For example: <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L12735" title="Lexeme:L12735"><span lang="en" dir="auto">offensively</span> <small>(L12735)</small></a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P5238" title="Property:P5238">combines lexemes <small dir="ltr">(P5238)</small></a> <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L12734" title="Lexeme:L12734"><span lang="en" dir="auto">offensive</span> <small>(L12734)</small></a> and <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L28890" title="Lexeme:L28890"><span lang="en" dir="auto">‎-ly</span> <small>(L28890)</small></a>. Even though the sense <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L28890#S1" title="Lexeme:L28890">-ly (L28890-S1)</a> applies to the whole lexeme, the sense <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L12735#S1" title="Lexeme:L12735">offensively (L12735-S1)</a> is derived from <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L12734#S1" title="Lexeme:L12734">offensive (L12734-S1)</a>, whereas the sense <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L12735#S2" title="Lexeme:L12735">offensively (L12735-S2)</a> is derived from <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L12734#S2" title="Lexeme:L12734">offensive (L12734-S2)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Liamjamesperritt" title="User:Liamjamesperritt">Liamjamesperritt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liamjamesperritt" title="User talk:Liamjamesperritt"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P5980#c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-07T04:36:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2019-05-06T20:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:36, 7 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-07T04:36:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2019-05-06T20:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-07T04:36:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2019-05-06T20:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deryck_Chan-2019-05-07T10:44:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-07T04:36:00.000Z"></span>Thanks Liam. Yes your proposal makes sense. I'm out of my depth here and am happy to defer to your expertise on this matter. <a href="/wiki/User:Deryck_Chan" title="User:Deryck Chan">Deryck Chan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deryck_Chan" title="User talk:Deryck Chan"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P5980#c-Deryck_Chan-2019-05-07T10:44:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-07T04:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:44, 7 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deryck_Chan-2019-05-07T10:44:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-07T04:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deryck_Chan-2019-05-07T10:44:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-07T04:36:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArthurPSmith-2019-05-07T13:03:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-07T04:36:00.000Z"></span>Yes, I support this use of this property. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P5980#c-ArthurPSmith-2019-05-07T13:03:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-07T04:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:03, 7 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArthurPSmith-2019-05-07T13:03:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-07T04:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArthurPSmith-2019-05-07T13:03:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-07T04:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jura1-2019-05-08T07:13:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z"></span>I think it might work for some of the uses (samples at <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/periphrasis" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/periphrasis">Wikidata:Property proposal/periphrasis</a>), but not all of them (maybe you can demonstrate the contrary). The combination suggested here could only work in one direction. As the underlying properties aren't meant for writing definitions, I'm not sure if the result would be very consistent. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P5980#c-Jura1-2019-05-08T07:13:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:13, 8 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jura1-2019-05-08T07:13:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jura1-2019-05-08T07:13:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-05T12:27:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-08T12:19:00.000Z-Jura1-2019-05-08T07:13:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: You are correct that it will only work one direction, and that is how I believe it should be. If you define the words in both directions, you will end up with recursive definitions. For example: <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L15579#S1" title="Lexeme:L15579">traveller (one who travels)</a> --is defined by--> <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L300#S1" title="Lexeme:L300">travel (go from place to place)</a> + <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L29845#S1" title="Lexeme:L29845">-er (person that performs the root action)</a>. If you then go the other direction: <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L300#S1" title="Lexeme:L300">travel (go from place to place)</a> --is defined by--> <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L15579#S1" title="Lexeme:L15579">traveller (one who travels)</a> + <action performed by agent>, then not only is that redundant (as the second direction can be inferred from the first) but then the full definition for 'traveller' becomes recursive; i.e. "A traveller is a person who performs the action that is performed by a traveller". The better way to do it, is to only go one direction ('traveller' --> 'travel'), and then use a different word to define 'travel', e.g. <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L300#S1" title="Lexeme:L300">travel (go from place to place)</a> --is defined by--> <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L3006#S1" title="Lexeme:L3006">go (move; change location)</a> + <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L9681#S2" title="Lexeme:L9681">abroad (in different directions; over a wide area)</a>. That way the meaning of words begins to become apparent. <a href="/wiki/User:Liamjamesperritt" title="User:Liamjamesperritt">Liamjamesperritt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liamjamesperritt" title="User talk:Liamjamesperritt"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P5980#c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-08T12:19:00.000Z-Jura1-2019-05-08T07:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 8 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-08T12:19:00.000Z-Jura1-2019-05-08T07:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-08T12:19:00.000Z-Jura1-2019-05-08T07:13:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jura1-2019-05-14T12:19:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-08T12:19:00.000Z"></span>I don't think it's an issue. It tends to happen, whether it's done in a gloss, a full definition, or a structured way. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P5980#c-Jura1-2019-05-14T12:19:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-08T12:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 14 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jura1-2019-05-14T12:19:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-08T12:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jura1-2019-05-14T12:19:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-08T12:19:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-30T08:41:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-08T12:19:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: I'm still not convinced by the idea of the periphrasis property. It seems a little bit too messy. Maybe we can re-think it a little bit and tighten up the proposal? FYI, all the examples given in the proposal (excluding bidirectional definitions, which I still think are unnecessary) can be achieved with <a href="/wiki/Property:P5980" title="Property:P5980">object sense <small dir="ltr">(P5980)</small></a>, as I'll demonstrate below:</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Example 1: <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L7279#S1" title="Lexeme:L7279">slowly (in a slow manner)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L1388#S1" title="Lexeme:L1388">slow (proceeding at a low speed)</a> + <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L28890#S1" title="Lexeme:L28890">-ly (in (such and such) a manner)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Example 2: <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L15579#S1" title="Lexeme:L15579">traveller (one who travels)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L300#S1" title="Lexeme:L300">travel (go from place to place)</a> + <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L29845#S1" title="Lexeme:L29845">-er (indicates agent of root verb)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Example 3: <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L15008#S1" title="Lexeme:L15008">éclairage (lighting, or illumination)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L15027#S1" title="Lexeme:L15027">éclairer (light up)</a> + <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L47696#S1" title="Lexeme:L47696">-age (indicates action or result of root verb)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Example 4: <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L5512#S1" title="Lexeme:L5512">employer (one who hires the services of another person)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L5510#S1" title="Lexeme:L5510">employ (hire (somebody) for work or a job)</a> + <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L29845#S1" title="Lexeme:L29845">-er (indicates agent of root verb)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Example 5: <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L5513#S1" title="Lexeme:L5513">employee (one who provides labor to a company or another person for money)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L5510#S1" title="Lexeme:L5510">employ (hire (somebody) for work or a job)</a> + <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L47699#S1" title="Lexeme:L47699">-ee (indicates the person or thing that is the object of the root verb)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Example 6: <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L5511#S1" title="Lexeme:L5511">employment (work or occupation for which one is paid)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L5510#S1" title="Lexeme:L5510">employ (hire (somebody) for work or a job)</a> + <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L29594#S1" title="Lexeme:L29594">-ment (indicates the action or result of the root verb)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Example 7 can be easily inferred from the above information, and is redundant.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I feel like this is the most effective way to model these definitions, as the meaning of every single example the result of morphological derivation. Please feel free to give an example for which <a href="/wiki/Property:P5980" title="Property:P5980">object sense <small dir="ltr">(P5980)</small></a> will not suffice. <a href="/wiki/User:Liamjamesperritt" title="User:Liamjamesperritt">Liamjamesperritt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liamjamesperritt" title="User talk:Liamjamesperritt"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P5980#c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-30T08:41:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-08T12:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:41, 30 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-30T08:41:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-08T12:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-30T08:41:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-08T12:19:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jura1-2019-05-31T10:53:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-30T08:41:00.000Z"></span>I understand your reasoning, but personally I prefer an approach people can use to write definitions without knowing the detailed derivation or without subscribing to a specific view on derivation. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P5980#c-Jura1-2019-05-31T10:53:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-30T08:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:53, 31 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jura1-2019-05-31T10:53:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-30T08:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jura1-2019-05-31T10:53:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-30T08:41:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-31T12:21:00.000Z-Jura1-2019-05-31T10:53:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: I suppose that <a href="/wiki/Property:P5980" title="Property:P5980">object sense <small dir="ltr">(P5980)</small></a> does not explicitly refer to definitions, and that is what you are trying to achieve, so I understand your reasoning as well. In that case, here's a potential example where <a href="/wiki/Property:P5980" title="Property:P5980">object sense <small dir="ltr">(P5980)</small></a> doesn't suffice:</li></ul> <dl><dd>Example: <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L47762#S1" title="Lexeme:L47762">kennel (shelter for dogs)</a> --(definition (PXXX))--> <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L14135#S1" title="Lexeme:L14135">shelter (structure that provides cover or refuge)</a> [<i>qualified with</i> --(attribute for definition (PXXX))--> <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L1122#S1" title="Lexeme:L1122">dog (mammal used as pet and related to the wolf)</a>] + [<i>qualified with</i> --(link for definition (PXXX))--> <a href="/wiki/Lexeme:L2989#S1" title="Lexeme:L2989">for (intended to belong to or be used by)</a>]</dd> <dd>Do you see this as a potential usage for this definition property? <a href="/wiki/User:Liamjamesperritt" title="User:Liamjamesperritt">Liamjamesperritt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liamjamesperritt" title="User talk:Liamjamesperritt"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P5980#c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-31T12:21:00.000Z-Jura1-2019-05-31T10:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:21, 31 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-31T12:21:00.000Z-Jura1-2019-05-31T10:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-31T12:21:00.000Z-Jura1-2019-05-31T10:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jura1-2019-06-01T18:07:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-31T12:21:00.000Z"></span>There are a few usual ways of writing definitions. Depending on the objective and the sense, users prefer one or the other. I think lexemes could easily include any of them in a structured way. We already have proposals/properties for some of them, but lack others. The one you outline could fit the hyperonym property we already have. The tautological or periphrastic one is slightly different and what the other proposal is for. Anyways, I don't really see reasons why we should limit users to one or the other ways of writing definitions nor do I have such an agenda for other contributors. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P5980#c-Jura1-2019-06-01T18:07:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-31T12:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:07, 1 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jura1-2019-06-01T18:07:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-31T12:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jura1-2019-06-01T18:07:00.000Z-Liamjamesperritt-2019-05-31T12:21:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-06-08T03:00:00.000Z-Jura1-2019-06-01T18:07:00.000Z"></span>Fair enough, I suppose. <a href="/wiki/User:Liamjamesperritt" title="User:Liamjamesperritt">Liamjamesperritt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liamjamesperritt" title="User talk:Liamjamesperritt"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P5980#c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-06-08T03:00:00.000Z-Jura1-2019-06-01T18:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:00, 8 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liamjamesperritt-2019-06-08T03:00:00.000Z-Jura1-2019-06-01T18:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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