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<input type="checkbox" name="bookmark_stock" class="bookmarkadd-shareInput js-bookmarkadd-readlater" value="1" /> <span class="bookmarkadd-readlater"> <span class="bookmarkadd-share-text readlater">あとで読む</span> </span> </label> <label class="bookmarkadd-share-label"> <input type="checkbox" class="bookmarkadd-shareInput js-bookmarkadd-private" name="privacy" value="1"> <span class="bookmarkadd-private"> <span class="bookmarkadd-share-text private">非公開</span> </span> </label> </div> <div class="bookmarkadd-cancel-and-submit-buttons js-buttons-container"> <input class="bookmarkadd-submit-btn js-bookmarkadd-submit-btn" type="submit" value="ブックマーク"> </div> </div> </div> <p class="bookmarkadd-externalHelp is-hidden js-bookmarkadd-externalHelp-general-myBookmarkPrivate" > <span>現在プライベートモードです<span> <a href="/-/my/config/profile" class="bookmarkadd-externalHelp-link">設定を変更する</a> </p> </form> <div class="js-bookmarkadd-tagList is-hidden"> <h3 class="bookmarkadd-tagList-title 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<li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </script> <script type="text/x-template" id="template-short-url-click"> {{#tweet_url}} <a href="{{tweet_url}}" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-gtm-click-label="reaction-twitter-clicks"><span>{{count}} clicks</span></a> {{/tweet_url}} {{^tweet_url}} <span>{{count}} clicks</span> {{/tweet_url}} </script> <div class="is-active bookmarks-sort-panel js-bookmarks-sort-panel" data-sort="popular"> <div class="js-bookmarks js-bookmarks-popular"> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="kazuhix" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/kazuhix/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/kazuhix/profile.png"/ alt="kazuhix" title="kazuhix"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/kazuhix/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">kazuhix</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">なんでも日本スゲーにするなよ。コーントルティーヤは挽いたとうもろこしを石灰で煮たものを乾燥させる。そのままのコーン粉だと団子にまとまらない。奇跡の穀物である小麦は挽かない調理法がないのが逆にすごい</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/kazuhix/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/kazuhix" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="kazuhix" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="SanadaSatoshi" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/SanadaSatoshi/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/SanadaSatoshi/profile.png"/ alt="SanadaSatoshi" title="SanadaSatoshi"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/SanadaSatoshi/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">SanadaSatoshi</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">「ここまで調理法が発達したのは日本独自」は文脈的に中国から伝わった技法が蒟蒻作るまでに至った事を指してるのでは。発達というワードが日本スゲーに見えたのかもしれないけど文脈的には地域化という意味だと思う</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/SanadaSatoshi/%E3%83%96%E3%82%B3%E3%83%A1/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-tags">ブコメ</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/SanadaSatoshi/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/SanadaSatoshi" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="SanadaSatoshi" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="hanajibuu" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/hanajibuu/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/hanajibuu/profile.png"/ alt="hanajibuu" title="hanajibuu"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/hanajibuu/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">hanajibuu</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">こんにゃくは石灰水じゃなくて、木や草の灰を溶かした灰汁（アク）を使ってた。鹿児島はもち米で作った「灰汁巻き」、沖縄は小麦粉で作った沖縄そば（木灰そば）があるよ。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/hanajibuu/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/hanajibuu" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="hanajibuu" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="early48" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/early48/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/early48/profile.png"/ alt="early48" title="early48"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/early48/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">early48</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">増田はそういった調理の歴史を何で知ったんだろう。オススメの本とかあったら知りたいものだなー</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/early48/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/early48" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="early48" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="HiiragiJP" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/HiiragiJP/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/HiiragiJP/profile.png"/ alt="HiiragiJP" title="HiiragiJP"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/HiiragiJP/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">HiiragiJP</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">パン酒副産物説は突飛な発想に聞こえるかも知れないが、かなりあり得ると思う。群馬のソウルフードに「焼きまんじゅう」というのがあるんだが、あれは自家酒造の副産物なんだ。全国の酒まんじゅうの起源も同様だろう</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/HiiragiJP/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/HiiragiJP" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="HiiragiJP" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="usurausura" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/usurausura/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/usurausura/profile.png"/ alt="usurausura" title="usurausura"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/usurausura/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">usurausura</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">トウモロコシを主食にする場合、アルカリ処理しないとナイアシン(旧称ニコチン酸)欠乏でペラグラ（イタリアらい病）を発症します<a href="https://book.asahi.com/jinbun/article/14256451" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">https://book.asahi.com/jinbun/article/14256451</a> <a href="https://itonaika.in/5205" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">https://itonaika.in/5205</a></span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/usurausura/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/usurausura" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="usurausura" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem 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src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/machida77/profile.png"/ alt="machida77" title="machida77"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/machida77/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">machida77</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">前にRedditでとうもろこし以外の豆・穀類でアルカリ溶液を使う例があるか聞くスレッドがあって面白かったことを思い出した<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFoodHistorians/comments/119z20t/historical_usage_of_alkali_solutions_to_soften/" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFoodHistorians/comments/119z20t/historical_usage_of_alkali_solutions_to_soften/</a></span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/machida77/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span 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class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/vlxst1224/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/vlxst1224/profile.png"/ alt="vlxst1224" title="vlxst1224"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/vlxst1224/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">vlxst1224</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">つまるところ発見とは「たまたまいい方向に行ったバグ」なので、気が遠くなる程の期間（歴史）と人数（世界中）を乗算した莫大な試行回数があれば突然変異はいつか起きるのよな。平準化が進むと減っていく気はする</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/vlxst1224/%E6%8C%81%E8%AB%96%E3%81%AE%E5%B1%95%E9%96%8B/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-tags">持論の展開</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" 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data-user-name="Arturo_Ui" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/Arturo_Ui/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/Arturo_Ui/profile.png"/ alt="Arturo_Ui" title="Arturo_Ui"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/Arturo_Ui/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">Arturo_Ui</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">増田は「ここまで調理法が発達したのは日本独自」と書くけど、それならトウモロコシ等の石灰水処理にも触れるべきでは？と思いました。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/Arturo_Ui/%E3%81%8A%E3%81%84%E3%81%8A%E3%81%84/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-tags">おいおい</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" 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data-user-name="differential" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/differential/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/differential/profile.png"/ alt="differential" title="differential"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/differential/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username">differential</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">“縄文時代から続く堅果類(ドングリ・トチノミ)をアク抜きして食べる技法が”なるほど。実とか根とかは一番簡単に目につく「カロリーになるかもしれない食べ物」だよねと改めて</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/differential/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span 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data-next-cursor="MTczMjU4MzIwMCw3MTg2NTcyMzQ2MTk5MDQ2Ng=="> <div class="js-bookmarks js-bookmarks-recent"> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="kjin" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/kjin/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/kjin/profile.png"/ alt="kjin" title="kjin"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/kjin/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">kjin</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">日本独自は「独自」の組成配分次第だろうがそういや小学生の頃まんが日本の歴史的なの読んで縄文弥生時代のドングリ食べられるようになる描写での灰汁抜きの大事さ共感したなあ。自分ちが毎年筍獲ってたからかもだが</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a 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js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="typographicalerror" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/typographicalerror/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/typographicalerror/profile.png"/ alt="typographicalerror" title="typographicalerror"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/typographicalerror/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">typographicalerror</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">野暮な感じがして可愛い</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" 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js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="hwalker" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/hwalker/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/hwalker/profile.png"/ alt="hwalker" title="hwalker"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/hwalker/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">hwalker</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">なろう系で飢饉対策に麦の代用でトウモロコシを植えましょう！と転生女が乾燥させただけのコーン粉を主食として配るという邪悪な話があった。ニシュタマリゼーションしないとそのうちたくさん死ぬ。石灰処理大事。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/hwalker/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/hwalker" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="hwalker" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="kuippa" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/kuippa/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/kuippa/profile.png"/ alt="kuippa" title="kuippa"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/kuippa/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">kuippa</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">こんにゃく→浅間山の噴火から発生した天明の大飢饉で群馬で食べれるものがなくなったからコーヒー→カフェインを持つ植物は世界に３種しかない。元薬。パン→麦の脱穀とベータ化、発酵</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/kuippa/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/kuippa" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="kuippa" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="yoshi-na" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/yoshi-na/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/yoshi-na/profile.png"/ alt="yoshi-na" title="yoshi-na"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/yoshi-na/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">yoshi-na</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">いまある調理法がそのまま急に生まれるわけではないからな、段階飛ばしたらそりゃなんで？ともなるか</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/yoshi-na/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/yoshi-na" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div 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entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="SndOp" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/SndOp/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/SndOp/profile.png"/ alt="SndOp" title="SndOp"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/SndOp/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">SndOp</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">腐ったものも火を通せば安全みたいな意識が、発酵→焙煎過程を生んだのだろうか。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/SndOp/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/SndOp" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="SndOp" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="kamezo" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/kamezo/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/kamezo/profile.png"/ alt="kamezo" title="kamezo"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/kamezo/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">kamezo</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">今日の有識者増田。調理の歴史の一端。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/kamezo/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/kamezo" rel="nofollow">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="kamezo" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="lavandin" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/lavandin/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/lavandin/profile.png"/ alt="lavandin" title="lavandin"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/lavandin/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">lavandin</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">パンの話、酒飲みならなぜか全員知ってるやつだ</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/lavandin/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/lavandin" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="lavandin" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="cinefuk" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/cinefuk/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/cinefuk/profile.png"/ alt="cinefuk" title="cinefuk"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/cinefuk/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">cinefuk</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">木灰アルカリで煮て保存食を作る薩摩の「あくまき」という料理もあるし、肥後の赤酒も木灰を用いるね。16世紀に食べていたのとほぼ同じものを、未だに祝いの席で食べられているのは興味深い</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/cinefuk/%E7%99%BA%E9%85%B5/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">発酵</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/cinefuk/%E9%A3%9F/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">食</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/cinefuk/%E5%A2%97%E7%94%B0/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">増田</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/cinefuk/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/cinefuk" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="cinefuk" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="aramaaaa" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/aramaaaa/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/aramaaaa/profile.png"/ alt="aramaaaa" title="aramaaaa"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/aramaaaa/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">aramaaaa</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">それでいうと、貯めておくと勝手にアルコール醗酵するブドウが奇跡の食品すぎるのだが、ひょっとすると改良してそうなったのかも知れないなと</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/aramaaaa/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/aramaaaa" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="aramaaaa" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="zauberberg" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/zauberberg/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/zauberberg/profile.png"/ alt="zauberberg" title="zauberberg"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/zauberberg/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">zauberberg</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">増田→トラバ→ブコメ→リンクとたどると〝大草原の家シリーズ〟でローラの母さんが乾燥トウモロコシを灰汁で戻していた理由に至るの凄い。ちょっと引っかかるも自ら調べることもなく時間を経た疑問融解関係各位多謝</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/zauberberg/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/zauberberg" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="zauberberg" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="kkobayashi" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/kkobayashi/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/kkobayashi/profile.png"/ alt="kkobayashi" title="kkobayashi"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/kkobayashi/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">kkobayashi</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">試行錯誤とか偶然の中で調理法が確立していったんだろうな。面白いわ／「中国から伝わったアク抜き手法を日本が独自に発達させた」が「日本スゲー」とは別にならんくないか</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/kkobayashi/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/kkobayashi" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="kkobayashi" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="watapoco" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/watapoco/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/watapoco/profile.png"/ alt="watapoco" title="watapoco"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/watapoco/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">watapoco</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">おもしろー</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/watapoco/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/watapoco" rel="nofollow">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="watapoco" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="mas-higa" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/mas-higa/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/mas-higa/profile.png"/ alt="mas-higa" title="mas-higa"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/mas-higa/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">mas-higa</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">その調理法がどの時代に、どのくらい普及してたのか年表で見たい。お茶やコーヒーは煮汁ともまた違うしなぁ。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/mas-higa/food/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">food</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/mas-higa/cooking/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">cooking</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/mas-higa/history/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">history</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/mas-higa/%E5%A2%97%E7%94%B0/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">増田</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/mas-higa/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/mas-higa" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="mas-higa" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="blueboy" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/blueboy/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/blueboy/profile.png"/ alt="blueboy" title="blueboy"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/blueboy/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">blueboy</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">① コーヒーは豆を食べるのではない。果肉は食べずに捨てる。種子を煎じて飲むんだ。増田の解釈は誤認。② 小麦はもともと粉にしてから焼いて食べていた。焼く前に発酵させる手順は、その派生物だ。　　<a href="https://x.gd/xwCTm" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">https://x.gd/xwCTm</a></span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/blueboy/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/blueboy" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="blueboy" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="eos2323" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/eos2323/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/eos2323/profile.png"/ alt="eos2323" title="eos2323"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/eos2323/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">eos2323</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">オフチョベットしたテフをマブガッドしてリットにするのもすごいよな</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/eos2323/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/eos2323" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="eos2323" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="Ag107" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/Ag107/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/Ag107/profile.png"/ alt="Ag107" title="Ag107"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/Ag107/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">Ag107</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">人類がまだ気が付いていないだけで、もしかして訳の分からない調理法でめちゃくちゃ美味しい食べ物がまだまだ無数に隠されているのでは？</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/Ag107/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/Ag107" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="Ag107" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="ak1024" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/ak1024/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/ak1024/profile.png"/ alt="ak1024" title="ak1024"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/ak1024/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">ak1024</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">それまでの料理の技術ツリーの範囲内で試行錯誤した結果って訳か</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/ak1024/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/ak1024" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="ak1024" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="machida77" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/machida77/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/machida77/profile.png"/ alt="machida77" title="machida77"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/machida77/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">machida77</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">前にRedditでとうもろこし以外の豆・穀類でアルカリ溶液を使う例があるか聞くスレッドがあって面白かったことを思い出した<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFoodHistorians/comments/119z20t/historical_usage_of_alkali_solutions_to_soften/" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFoodHistorians/comments/119z20t/historical_usage_of_alkali_solutions_to_soften/</a></span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/machida77/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/machida77" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="machida77" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="SanadaSatoshi" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/SanadaSatoshi/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/SanadaSatoshi/profile.png"/ alt="SanadaSatoshi" title="SanadaSatoshi"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/SanadaSatoshi/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">SanadaSatoshi</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">「ここまで調理法が発達したのは日本独自」は文脈的に中国から伝わった技法が蒟蒻作るまでに至った事を指してるのでは。発達というワードが日本スゲーに見えたのかもしれないけど文脈的には地域化という意味だと思う</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/SanadaSatoshi/%E3%83%96%E3%82%B3%E3%83%A1/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">ブコメ</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/SanadaSatoshi/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/SanadaSatoshi" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="SanadaSatoshi" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="quix_que" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/quix_que/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/quix_que/profile.png"/ alt="quix_que" title="quix_que"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/quix_que/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">quix_que</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">さらしあんの作り方（煮た小豆を晒の袋にいれて絞って、袋から漉し出した液体の沈殿物を乾燥させる）が子供のころの自分はどうしても納得いかなかったんだよな。袋に残ったほうは食べないの？って。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/quix_que/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/quix_que" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="quix_que" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="kuzudokuzu" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/kuzudokuzu/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/kuzudokuzu/profile.png"/ alt="kuzudokuzu" title="kuzudokuzu"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/kuzudokuzu/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">kuzudokuzu</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">難しいことを簡単だと言ってのけるのは実に簡単（難しいことを簡単にやってのけるのとは別）で、簡単なはずのことを実は難しいのだと言ってのけるのは知識か考える頭が必要。ムカデも歩くのに全ての脚を意識しない。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/kuzudokuzu/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/kuzudokuzu" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="kuzudokuzu" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="m_yanagisawa" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/m_yanagisawa/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/m_yanagisawa/profile.png"/ alt="m_yanagisawa" title="m_yanagisawa"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/m_yanagisawa/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">m_yanagisawa</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">御指摘の通りだと思う。ビールが「液体のパン」と呼ばれることもあるという逸話が好き＞ <a href="https://nlab.itmedia.co.jp/nl/articles/1809/07/news028.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">https://nlab.itmedia.co.jp/nl/articles/1809/07/news028.html</a></span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/m_yanagisawa/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/m_yanagisawa" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="m_yanagisawa" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list 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data-user-name="BigHopeClasic" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/BigHopeClasic/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/BigHopeClasic/profile.png"/ alt="BigHopeClasic" title="BigHopeClasic"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/BigHopeClasic/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">BigHopeClasic</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment"><a href="/kazuhix/">id:kazuhix</a> のブコメを見て、麦飯に使われるのは大麦であるという知見を得られた。はてブは衆愚だの言ってる香具師は反省しる（老人仕草）</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/BigHopeClasic/%E9%A3%9F/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">食</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/BigHopeClasic/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/BigHopeClasic" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="BigHopeClasic" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list 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data-user-name="regularexception" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/regularexception/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/regularexception/profile.png"/ alt="regularexception" title="regularexception"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/regularexception/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">regularexception</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">チョコレートみたいに、多数の文化を通ったことで発達した食べ物の話のほうが面白い</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/regularexception/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span 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entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="makou" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/makou/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/makou/profile.png"/ alt="makou" title="makou"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/makou/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">makou</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">こんにゃく芋に対して日本人の執着が凄かったって意味なのでは？ /詳しくて面白いって理由でブクマ増えてるのかと思ったら何か違う理由なのな。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/makou/history/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">history</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/makou/foods/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">foods</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/makou/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/makou" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="makou" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="vndn" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/vndn/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/vndn/profile.png"/ alt="vndn" title="vndn"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/vndn/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">vndn</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">米飯なんかも、植物の先の小さい粒を集めて乾燥させ周囲を削って、少し水に浸したあと多くも少なくもない水で煮て蒸らして…って異常な工程だと思うが、長い年月があれば少しずつこれに近づくかもなとも思う。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/vndn/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/vndn" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="vndn" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="mayumayu_nimolove" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/mayumayu_nimolove/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/mayumayu_nimolove/profile.png"/ alt="mayumayu_nimolove" title="mayumayu_nimolove"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/mayumayu_nimolove/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">mayumayu_nimolove</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">あっちに書いたけどフグ料理は？教えて賢い人</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/mayumayu_nimolove/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/mayumayu_nimolove" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="mayumayu_nimolove" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="versatile" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/versatile/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/versatile/profile.png"/ alt="versatile" title="versatile"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/versatile/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">versatile</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">別に日本スゲーになってないと思うけど・・・トップコメが見た時から更新されたのか？</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/versatile/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/versatile" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="versatile" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="hz21s8" data-url="https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20241125213054"> <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/hz21s8/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/hz21s8/profile.png"/ alt="hz21s8" title="hz21s8"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username"><a href="/hz21s8/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username">hz21s8</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment">いや小学校でみんなやるでしょ…と思ったがもしかして地域性か！？(地元に縄文遺跡ありの民)</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/hz21s8/20241126#bookmark-4762510075030096288">2024/11/26</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4762510075030096288/comment/hz21s8" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4762510075030096288" data-user-name="hz21s8" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" 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