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background: #fff; font-size:85%; width:auto; margin: 0 auto; text-align: center"> <ul><li>To read the newest questions, <a href="#skip-to-bottom-anchor">skip to bottom</a></li> <li><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Teahouse" class="extiw" title="meta:Research:Teahouse">About the Teahouse</a></li></ul> </div><div class="thh-toc floatright"><div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none"><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#How_to_edit_page_and_add_citations?">1 How to edit page and add citations?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#Redirects_and_Sources">2 Redirects and Sources</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#Something_I_think_deserves_a_page._._.">3 Something I think deserves a page. . .</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#MA_dissertation">4 MA dissertation</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#Page_of_painter_Stano_Bub%C3%A1n">5 Page of painter Stano Bubán</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#Re-submitting_an_Article">6 Re-submitting an Article</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Content_deliverer/s">7 Content deliverer/s</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Reverting_a_long-time_user's_revision">8 Reverting a long-time user's revision</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Reliable_references">9 Reliable references</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Fan_Zhibo">10 Fan Zhibo</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#Fonts_and_citations">11 Fonts and citations</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#Unsure_as_to_whether_article_is_actually_been_submitted_for_review.">12 Unsure as to whether article is actually been submitted for review.</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#Submitting_a_bio">13 Submitting a bio</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#Doubt">14 Doubt</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#Article_Edit_Assist">15 Article Edit Assist</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#Local_wiki_upload">16 Local wiki upload</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#I_would_like_to_open_a_page_with_information_about_myself_and_my_career,_can_anyone_help?">17 I would like to open a page with information about myself and my career, can anyone help?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#wikipidia_search">18 wikipidia search</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="#When_will_the_newly_created_page_be_searchable_on_Google?">19 When will the newly created page be searchable on Google?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#About_an_Edit_by_the_User">20 About an Edit by the User</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-21"><a href="#Use_of_a_banner_in_an_Infobox">20.1 Use of a banner in an Infobox</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="#Review">21 Review</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-23"><a href="#Wikidata_tangle">22 Wikidata tangle</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-24"><a href="#Conflict_of_Interest,_New_Editor,_Already_made_edits_-_eek!">23 Conflict of Interest, New Editor, Already made edits - eek!</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-25"><a href="#Addition">24 Addition</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-26"><a href="#does_a_COI_still_exist_if_you_haven't_had_contact_with_someone_for_25_years?">25 does a COI still exist if you haven't had contact with someone for 25 years?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-27"><a href="#Request_for_Feedback_and_Assistance_in_Revising_Draft">26 Request for Feedback and Assistance in Revising Draft</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-28"><a href="#How_is_an_articles_importance_in_a_Wikiproject_debated?">27 How is an articles importance in a Wikiproject debated?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-29"><a href="#Draft:Prince_and_Family">28 Draft:Prince and Family</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-30"><a href="#Help_with_page_publication">29 Help with page publication</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-31"><a href="#Can_Chatgpt/similar_GPT_be_fused_with_Wikipedia?_Will_help_in_solving_instant_doubts">30 Can Chatgpt/similar GPT be fused with Wikipedia? Will help in solving instant doubts</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-32"><a href="#Academic_Notability">31 Academic Notability</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-33"><a href="#Reliable_sources_for_a_topic_in_software_development">32 Reliable sources for a topic in software development</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-34"><a href="#How_to_add_the_cookies/brownies/tea/cofee/others">33 How to add the cookies/brownies/tea/cofee/others</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-35"><a href="#What_are_user_talk_pages_really_for?">34 What are user talk pages really for?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-36"><a href="#Editor_change?">35 Editor change?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-37"><a href="#I_translated_information_from_a_different_language_to_an_article,_but_the_original_information_is_uncited_-_is_this_okay?">36 I translated information from a different language to an article, but the original information is uncited - is this okay?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-38"><a href="#Bookmarking_oft-visited_WP_sites_possible?">37 Bookmarking oft-visited WP sites possible?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-39"><a href="#I_want_to_upload_a_photo">38 I want to upload a photo</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-40"><a href="#Reverting_on_mobile">39 Reverting on mobile</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-41"><a href="#U.S._govt_sources_not_credible_for_bio_of_U.S._diplomat?">40 U.S. govt sources not credible for bio of U.S. diplomat?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-42"><a href="#Automatic_search_for_red_links">41 Automatic search for red links</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-43"><a href="#Combine_Blank_Page_with_Draft_Page">42 Combine Blank Page with Draft Page</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-44"><a href="#Markus_Paterson">43 Markus Paterson</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-45"><a href="#Nomination_of_Malik_Jamroz_Khan_for_deletion">44 Nomination of Malik Jamroz Khan for deletion</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-46"><a href="#Hi!_I_tried_to_nominate_the_article_for_deletion._Never_done_that,_not_sure_if_I_did_it_right.">45 Hi! I tried to nominate the article for deletion. Never done that, not sure if I did it right.</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-47"><a href="#Arturo_Mu%C3%B1oz_(intelligence)">46 Arturo Muñoz (intelligence)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-48"><a href="#touch_n_go">47 touch n go</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-49"><a href="#Validity_of_an_Wikipedia:Notability_%C2%A7_Stand-alone_lists_article">48 Validity of an Wikipedia:Notability § Stand-alone lists article</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-50"><a href="#Sourcing_question">49 Sourcing question</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-51"><a href="#Would_the_LMU_Open_Science_Center_be_notable_for_an_Wikipedia_article?">50 Would the LMU Open Science Center be notable for an Wikipedia article?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-52"><a href="#Searching_for_a_good_place_for_article_creation_ideas">51 Searching for a good place for article creation ideas</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-53"><a href="#wikipedias_user">52 wikipedias user</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-54"><a href="#About_and_other_templates">53 About and other templates</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-55"><a href="#How_to_cite_a_PDF?">54 How to cite a PDF?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-56"><a href="#I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to_advertise_a_business.">55 I found a somewhat suspicious user. It seems as though they're editing things to advertise a business.</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-57"><a href="#How_would_you_mark_an_article_for_good?">56 How would you mark an article for good?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-58"><a href="#Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_%22Edit%22_and_other_times_show_%22Edit_Source%22?">57 Why does wiki sometimes show "Edit" and other times show "Edit Source"?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-59"><a href="#Why_do_some_categories_on_some_pages_seem_unremovable?">58 Why do some categories on some pages seem unremovable?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-60"><a href="#Is_enough_info_for_an_article/stub?">59 Is enough info for an article/stub?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-61"><a href="#Help_finding_template">60 Help finding template</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-62"><a href="#Using_a_book_reference">61 Using a book reference</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-63"><a href="#My_edit_got_reverted_despite_it_being_accurate">62 My edit got reverted despite it being accurate</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-64"><a href="#AI_Aided_Suggested_Edits_(adding_links_between_articles)">63 AI Aided Suggested Edits (adding links between articles)</a></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="Q_header" class="noprint" style="float: right; 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If someone could help me out with adding this information or do it for me, that would be great. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LordOfWalruses&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LordOfWalruses (page does not exist)">LordOfWalruses</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LordOfWalruses" title="User talk:LordOfWalruses">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-LordOfWalruses-20241121011800-How_to_edit_page_and_add_citations?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>If you <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org?title=Protect_Illinois_Communities_Act&veaction=edit">use VisualEditor on the Protect Illinois Communities Act article</a>, does that allow <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LordOfWalruses&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LordOfWalruses (page does not exist)">you</a> to edit it? <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121012900-LordOfWalruses-20241121011800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That helped with adding the information, though I don’t know how to cite the source.</dd> <dd>(This is the source in case you’re wondering: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/chicago/news/illinois-assault-weapons-ban-ruled-unconstitutional/">https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/chicago/news/illinois-assault-weapons-ban-ruled-unconstitutional/</a> ) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LordOfWalruses&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LordOfWalruses (page does not exist)">LordOfWalruses</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LordOfWalruses" title="User talk:LordOfWalruses">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-LordOfWalruses-20241121030800-Rotideypoc41352-20241121012900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LordOfWalruses&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LordOfWalruses (page does not exist)">LordOfWalruses</a>. If you want to contribute to Wikipedia, then you need to learn how to create references to reliable sources. It is not that difficult. Please read and study <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REFBEGIN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REFBEGIN">Referencing for beginners</a>, and if you have any specific questions, ask then here at the Teahouse. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241121033700-LordOfWalruses-20241121030800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sure thing; I apologize for any inconvenience or confusion I caused amongst other users. If you could send that link to my talk page so that I can always know how to access it (even when this conversation is removed), that would be great. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LordOfWalruses&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LordOfWalruses (page does not exist)">LordOfWalruses</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LordOfWalruses" title="User talk:LordOfWalruses">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100-Cullen328-20241121033700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sent. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241121095500-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LordOfWalruses&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LordOfWalruses (page does not exist)">LordOfWalruses</a>: Please don't apologise. This page exists specifically for new editors to ask questions like yours. Ask as many as you like. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241121214000-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LordOfWalruses&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LordOfWalruses (page does not exist)">LordOfWalruses</a>, if it helps, you can put links to any handy Wikipedia things you want to be able to find easily on your user page. You can access your user page by clicking on your name either at the end of comments or on the top right of your screen. Your user page link is currently red, which means the page doesn't exist yet, so you'll start off by simply creating the page and adding whatever you like. Mine is full of links I find useful; you're welcome to investigate and use 'edit source' to see the Wikipedia coding I used. That should help you understand how all the linking shenanigans work! Feel free to post on my talk page if you have any questions about how I set it up. Welcome and happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:StartGrammarTime" title="User:StartGrammarTime">StartGrammarTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StartGrammarTime" title="User talk:StartGrammarTime">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-StartGrammarTime-20241121215700-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Dear StratGrammarTime, I would like to ask you for help. I use the icon in the upper left corner of the page to link information and quotes from external websites. For example, I am currently trying to create a page about the academic painter <a href="/wiki/Stano_Bub%C3%A1n" title="Stano Bubán">Stano Bubán</a></dd> <dd>Editors keep pointing out to me that I am using the wrong way of linking. I have asked several times in various discussion places to send me a link to generate the correct templates. So far, no one has sent me such a link. My question is: Is there a template generator to link to external websites? I assume that there certainly is one. Please, could you send me a link to generate the correct templates? Thank you. Have a nice day. <a href="/wiki/User:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jozef Heriban">Jozef Heriban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jozef Heriban">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jozef_Heriban-20241124001700-StartGrammarTime-20241121215700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hi! Do you use the <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-none" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:MediaWiki_2024-11-26_14-10-19.png" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/MediaWiki_2024-11-26_14-10-19.png" decoding="async" width="29" height="39" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="29" data-file-height="39"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 29px;height: 39px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/MediaWiki_2024-11-26_14-10-19.png" data-width="29" data-height="39" data-class="mw-file-element"> </a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> symbol to cite? Are you using automatic or just using <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bare_URLs" title="Wikipedia:Bare URLs">A bare URL?</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7">Cooldudeseven7</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7">join in on the tea talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241126141100-Jozef_Heriban-20241124001700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(2)"><h2 id="Redirects_and_Sources" data-mw-thread-id="h-Redirects_and_Sources-20241121034200">Redirects and Sources</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Redirects and Sources" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> A while ago I was looking at the page for <a href="/wiki/Xylocopa_aerata" title="Xylocopa aerata">Xylocopa aerata</a> when I noticed one of the plants it is described feeding at, <a href="/wiki/Pultenaea_elliptica" class="mw-redirect" title="Pultenaea elliptica">Pultenaea elliptica</a>, was at the time a redlink. Thinking it would be an interesting project as my first real page, I did some research and discovered it is actually the previous name for <a href="/wiki/Pultenaea_tuberculata" title="Pultenaea tuberculata">Pultenaea tuberculata</a>. I've already made Pultenaea elliptica a redirect to the correct page. I know this is probably a stupid question, but do I change the link in Xylocopa aerata from the redirect to the correct name, even though that was probably the name used in the source? <a href="/wiki/User:PineappleWizard123" title="User:PineappleWizard123">PineappleWizard123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PineappleWizard123" title="User talk:PineappleWizard123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200-Redirects_and_Sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, <a href="/wiki/User:PineappleWizard123" title="User:PineappleWizard123">PineappleWizard123</a>. In my opinion, the best solution is to display the name used in the cited source. If that name redirects to a more current name for the same species, there is nothing wrong with that. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241121042400-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:PineappleWizard123" title="User:PineappleWizard123">PineappleWizard123</a> An alternative if you didn't want to create the redirect would have been to use a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PIPED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PIPED">piped link</a>. The syntax <code>[[Pultenaea tuberculata|Pultenaea elliptica]]</code> would give a blue-link direct to the correct article but would appear to the reader in the old name. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121120100-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:PineappleWizard123" title="User:PineappleWizard123">PineappleWizard123</a>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Plants" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants">WT:WikiProject Plants</a> would be a good place to get subject-specialist advice. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241121213600-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:PineappleWizard123" title="User:PineappleWizard123">PineappleWizard123</a>: I can't seem to find any mention that that X. aerata feeds on any Pultenaea species online, as only Wikipedia mirrors report that. I would recommend just changing it to <a href="/wiki/Pultenaea_tuberculata" title="Pultenaea tuberculata">Pultenaea tuberculata</a> (since the old name is from the 19th century and obsolete) and adding a [<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed">citation needed</a>] ({{CN}}) tag to the statement, or locating a source(s), which I can't seem to find. <a href="/wiki/User:Memer15151" title="User:Memer15151">UserMemer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Memer15151" title="User talk:Memer15151">chat</a>) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Memer15151" title="Special:Contributions/Memer15151">Tribs</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Memer15151-20241124204200-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)"><h2 id="Something_I_think_deserves_a_page._._." data-mw-thread-id="h-Something_I_think_deserves_a_page._._.-20241122191100">Something I think deserves a page. . .</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Something I think deserves a page. . ." class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> There's a fantastic little game called Smile For Me, developed by LimboLane. I bet you're wondering "Hey, if you want this to have a page so badly, why not do it yourself!?" I gladly would, but I am severely inexperienced. As you may not know, I have only been on Wikipedia as an editor for less than a week. I just wanted to bring this fantastic little game to light and hope some people agree with me. Thanks, Wikipedians! <a href="/wiki/User:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User:Shovel Shenanigans">Shovel Shenanigans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User talk:Shovel Shenanigans">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122191100-Something_I_think_deserves_a_page._._." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I had a similar situation with the game Redout 2. If there aren't any major publications like IGN or Kotaku running multiple articles on it, then any article made about your game will get nuked when it's checked for notability. <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">Roar at me</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing">My contributions</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122191400-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122191100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Looking at the search results, there are articles about it on both of those sites, as well as Metacritic. So there's hope! <a href="/wiki/User:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User:Shovel Shenanigans">Shovel Shenanigans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User talk:Shovel Shenanigans">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122214800-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122191400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I have no experience with using this tool myself, but you can check out <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AfC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AfC">WP:AfC</a> and see if they have any resources to help you develop this article. Don't be afraid to contribute, people are very willing to help! <a href="/wiki/User:GracenC" title="User:GracenC">/home/gracen/</a> (yell at me <a href="/wiki/User_talk:GracenC" title="User talk:GracenC">here</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GracenC-20241123205900-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122214800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That definitely helps. I'll probably get around to it eventually when I have more experience :) <a href="/wiki/User:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User:Shovel Shenanigans">Shovel Shenanigans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User talk:Shovel Shenanigans">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123214700-GracenC-20241123205900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:GracenC" title="User:GracenC">GracenC</a>, I'm not sure what you mean by "tool"? AfC isn't a tool, it's a process that editors who cannot create articles in mainspace can use to create articles. Experienced editors review the articles and accept or decline them based on whether they meet some basic standards, like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">WP:N</a>. I wouldn't suggest that anyone use AfC if they don't have to - if you create an unsuitable article in mainspace, the patrollers from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP">WP:NPP</a> will notice it and give you suggestions or move it to draft space. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241124031600-GracenC-20241123205900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Apologies, that was poor word choice on my part. Also, thanks for the information; I was under the impression it was recommended for all new editors to go through AfC rather than just publishing to mainspace. <a href="/wiki/User:GracenC" title="User:GracenC">/home/gracen/</a> (yell at me <a href="/wiki/User_talk:GracenC" title="User talk:GracenC">here</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GracenC-20241124033000-Asilvering-20241124031600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Personally, as an AfC reviewer I wouldn't recommend it. If you submit to AfC, you have to wait until a reviewer sees and accepts your article for it to get to mainspace. Sometimes that can be a long wait. Meanwhile, if you create directly in mainspace and your article wouldn't pass AfC, NPP will draftify it (so, you'll end up in the AfC queue in the end anyway), and if it would pass, they'll mark it as patrolled, maybe with some maintenance tags, and you won't have had to wait in the AfC queue. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241124033400-GracenC-20241124033000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>I have to disagree with asilvering. I also review AFC articles. And even though I am an experienced editor, I have submitted an article or two to AFC just to get a reviewer's eyes on it to gain suggestions for improvement. NPP is overwhelmed, they do not catch every problem, and a lot of junk that should never have been in main space ends up staying there.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DEADLINE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DEADLINE">There are no deadlines on Wikipedia</a> for stuff like this. If I have to wait 3 months for a draft to be reviewed, so be it, I don't care, I am in no hurry to get my articles published.</dd> <dd>Yes, it is recommended for new editors to go through AFC. Bypassing AFC potentially creates needless work for others to clean up after you, if what you created in main space isn't actually ready for publication there. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist">Anachronist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anachronist" title="User talk:Anachronist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anachronist-20241124041400-GracenC-20241124033000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist">Anachronist</a>, you're autopatrolled. NPP will miss all of your articles, because they aren't looking at them. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241124041600-Anachronist-20241124041400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I wasn't referring to my own articles in the context of NPP. Looking at what I wrote, I can see how it would come across that way. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist">Anachronist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anachronist" title="User talk:Anachronist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anachronist-20241124051900-Asilvering-20241124041600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"></div> If the above exchange confuses any new Wikipedians: I think it shows an acceptable difference in opinion. If anyone wants yet another, I would've suggested going to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VG">the Video games WikiProject</a>, showing them <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Three" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Three">three</a> sources, and asking if the subject seems to satisfy criteria for a standalone article (what Wikipedia calls "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>"). Especially with the changing landscape of gaming journalism (the and video game industry in general), what sources are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VG/RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VG/RS">reliable or not</a> may not be obvious. If the answer is "not notable", then it <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AKON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AKON">saves you the effort</a> of writing a draft (per Anachronist) or an article (per asilvering). <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241125140300-Something_I_think_deserves_a_page._._." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>This definitely clears up the issue for me. All input is greatly appreciated, but thank you for dusting it off! <a href="/wiki/User:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User:Shovel Shenanigans">Shovel Shenanigans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User talk:Shovel Shenanigans">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241125175900-Rotideypoc41352-20241125140300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(4)"><h2 id="MA_dissertation" data-mw-thread-id="h-MA_dissertation-20241122204200">MA dissertation</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: MA dissertation" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> Hi, is an MA dissertation with a professor advisor a reliable source ? One is being referenced at <a href="/wiki/Nosso_Senhor_dos_Passos_Chapel" title="Nosso Senhor dos Passos Chapel">Nosso Senhor dos Passos Chapel</a>, regards <a href="/wiki/User:Atlantic306" title="User:Atlantic306">Atlantic306</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atlantic306" title="User talk:Atlantic306">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Atlantic306-20241122204200-MA_dissertation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Atlantic306" title="User:Atlantic306">Atlantic306</a>, usually no. We require the sources to be published, and MA dissertations are rarely published. Doctorate dissertations are sometimes published, but should be used with care. More info at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DISSERTATION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DISSERTATION">WP:DISSERTATION</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne">qcne</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Qcne-20241122210000-Atlantic306-20241122204200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks for that advice, i'll ask the article editor to find a replacement reference, regards <a href="/wiki/User:Atlantic306" title="User:Atlantic306">Atlantic306</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atlantic306" title="User talk:Atlantic306">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Atlantic306-20241122210400-Qcne-20241122210000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne">Qcne</a>, I'm not sure I've got the same working definition of <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-marks">published</q>. This source may never have been printed off after being added to the university's records, but it is clearly publically accessible, and even has an <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><a href="/wiki/Hdl_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="Hdl (identifier)">hdl</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://hdl.handle.net/10183%2F202436">10183/202436</a> and declared licensing (CC-BY-NC-SA). We had a convo about the acceptability of MA dissertations recently at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)/Archive_58#Allowing_Master's_theses_when_not_used_to_dispute_more_reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)/Archive 58">Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)/Archive 58 § Allowing Master's theses when not used to dispute more reliable sources</a> (May 2024), which I'll not attempt to summarise since I participated. <a href="/wiki/User:Folly_Mox" title="User:Folly Mox">Folly Mox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Folly_Mox" title="User talk:Folly Mox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Folly_Mox-20241124113300-Qcne-20241122210000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks @<a href="/wiki/User:Folly_Mox" title="User:Folly Mox">Folly Mox</a> - that's really interesting and I guess my knowledge was out of date. <a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne">qcne</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Qcne-20241124143000-Folly_Mox-20241124113300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Rule of thumb: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DISSERTATION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DISSERTATION">no</a>. Real answer: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TIERS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TIERS">it depends</a>. For uncontroversial claims, no reason not to allow it. <a href="/wiki/User:Closed_Limelike_Curves" title="User:Closed Limelike Curves">– Closed Limelike Curves</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Closed_Limelike_Curves" title="User talk:Closed Limelike Curves">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Closed_Limelike_Curves-20241125223100-Folly_Mox-20241124113300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(5)"><h2 id="Page_of_painter_Stano_Bubán" data-mw-thread-id="h-Page_of_painter_Stano_Bubán-20241123092300">Page of painter Stano Bubán</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Page of painter Stano Bubán" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> Dear editors, I would like to ask some questions about page: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stano_Bub%C3%A1n">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stano_Bub%C3%A1n</a>. How I can generate links to external sources on the Internet in this way?: <a href="#cite_note-:2-1">[1]</a> I use the technique of linking to external sources using the icon on the page bar. Please, could you send me a link to generate a link using your technique? I would also like to ask, why the bar still appears on the page: {{Unreferenced section|date=November 2024}}? When I added additional external sources confirming my published information. Many links to the cited opening of exhibitions, that Stano Bubán participated in as an exhibitor, are not on the Internet, so I cannot document all. But I used information about exhibitions from public sources. For example, from the source of the Academy of Fine Arts, Bratislava, Slovakia. This source is official. The website of the Academy of Fine Arts contains only verified information. Similarly, the cited study stays do not have Internet links, so they cannot be documented, but Stano Bubán, as a university teacher, had to document all the information I provided on his Webside page and the page of the Academy of Fine Arts, Bratislava, Slovakia. I gathered information about his family from communication with him. Such information about his family (name of mother, sisters, daughters etc. is not available on the internet. Thank you very much for your help....... <a href="/wiki/User:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jozef Heriban">Jozef Heriban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jozef Heriban">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jozef_Heriban-20241123092300-Page_of_painter_Stano_Bub%C3%A1n" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I suppressed the coding displaying the maintenance tag, as placing it here tags this page. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241123093800-Jozef_Heriban-20241123092300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jozef Heriban">Jozef Heriban</a> If information is not in a published <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable source</a> that can be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verified</a>, it cannot be on Wikipedia.</dd> <dd>Since you are in communication with the subject regarding the article about him, you should declare a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">conflict of interest</a>. Articles are typically written without any involvement from, or even the knowledge of, the subject. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241123094000-Jozef_Heriban-20241123092300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks for your answer. But I still don't understand, why the bar "This section does not cite any sources" keeps appearing in the sections Selected exhibitions, Study stays, Awards... I added credible links to realized exhibitions and links to clearly credible sources. Please, can you advise me, what else I should do to remove those bars?</dd> <dd>Regarding information about the family. There are many pages on Wikipedia, mainly of actors, directors, designers, artists, which contain information about their family members. I have not noticed anywhere that this information is questioned and is also not supported by external sources. Please, can you explain me, why this information is questioned in my case? Thank you. Greetings... <a href="/wiki/User:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jozef Heriban">Jozef Heriban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jozef Heriban">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jozef_Heriban-20241123095800-331dot-20241123094000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jozef Heriban">Jozef Heriban</a> It's being questioned because it was pointed out to us. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, we can only address what we know about. It is possible for inappropriate content to get by us, even for years. Inappropriate content existing on one article does not mean that it can exist on another(see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OSE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OSE">other stuff exists</a>). If you know of other articles with improperly sourced information, please point those out so we can take action. We need the help.</dd> <dd>You added some sources, but many are still unsourced. I'm actually skeptical the article should list his entire work history at all- but if its going to, it needs to be sourced. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241123101200-Jozef_Heriban-20241123095800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Hello, @<a href="/wiki/User:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jozef Heriban">Jozef Heriban</a>: to reply to your specific question: tags such as {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Unsourced_section" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Unsourced section">unsourced section</a>}} are not automatic: they are applied by an editor, and removed by an editor. Since those sections now have some citations, I have replaced {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Unsourced_section" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Unsourced section">unsourced section</a>}} with {{<a href="/wiki/Template:More_citations_needed_section" title="Template:More citations needed section">more citations needed section</a>}}. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241123102600-Jozef_Heriban-20241123095800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Dear ColinFine, I would like to ask you for help. I use the icon in the upper left corner of the page to link information and quotes from external websites. For example, I am currently trying to create a page about the academic painter <a href="/wiki/Stano_Bub%C3%A1n" title="Stano Bubán">Stano Bubán</a></dd> <dd>Your colleagues keep pointing out to me that I am using the wrong way of linking. I have asked several times in various places intended for discussion of your colleagues to send me a link to generate the correct templates. So far, no one has sent me such a link. My question is: Is there a template generator that I can use when creating pages on Wikipedia to link to external websites? I assume that there certainly is one. Please, could you send me a link to generate the correct templates? Thank you. Have a nice evening. <a href="/wiki/User:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jozef Heriban">Jozef Heriban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jozef Heriban">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jozef_Heriban-20241123233000-ColinFine-20241123102600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jozef Heriban">Jozef Heriban</a> You seem to be using the {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_web" title="Template:Cite web">cite web</a>}} template correctly judging by the example you used. There is a really useful tool called citer at <a class="external text" href="https://citer.toolforge.org/">this toolforge link</a>. It can take URL or various other inputs and generate a pretty good citation to use as a footnote in an article. Sometimes you need to tweak the output a bit but it speeds things up. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241124173500-Jozef_Heriban-20241123233000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Dear Michael, thank you very much for your support. I struggled a lot until I managed to get a link to generate templates. So I'm posting the link here, so that others don't have to read the criticism on their pages about how they can't link to external sources correctly. Template generator link: <a class="external free" href="https://citer.toolforge.org/">https://citer.toolforge.org/</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jozef Heriban">Jozef Heriban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jozef Heriban">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jozef_Heriban-20241124191300-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241124173500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1232521257">.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk{margin:auto 0;border:1px dashed var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:4px;padding-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk-title{font-weight:bold}</style><div class="reflist-talk"> References <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-:2-1"><a href="#cite_ref-:2_1-0">^</a> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite class="citation web cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://danubiana.sk/en/vystavy/chodec">"THE WALKER"</a>. Danubiana. Retrieved 2024-11-21.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=Danubiana&rft.atitle=THE+WALKER&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fdanubiana.sk%2Fen%2Fvystavy%2Fchodec&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3ATeahouse" class="Z3988"> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(6)"><h2 id="Re-submitting_an_Article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re-submitting_an_Article-20241123092800">Re-submitting an Article</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Re-submitting an Article" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-6 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-6"> Hi guys, I recently submitted an article on the "Worldview International Foundation" which got rejected due to lack of quality references. I have adjusted the article according to my knowledge. I was thinking of resubmitting the article but I am not sure if it will be completely scrapped if it gets rejected again. I was wondering if another senior editor can see that and let me know if anything is wrong. Or whether I should simply re-submit and wait for evaluation? Thanks in advance! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:EditorSenpai&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:EditorSenpai (page does not exist)">EditorSenpai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EditorSenpai" title="User talk:EditorSenpai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-EditorSenpai-20241123092800-Re-submitting_an_Article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The best way to get feedback is to resubmit the draft. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241123093700-EditorSenpai-20241123092800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you! I appreciate the comment. I think I will submit the draft and see. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:EditorSenpai&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:EditorSenpai (page does not exist)">EditorSenpai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EditorSenpai" title="User talk:EditorSenpai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-EditorSenpai-20241123205700-331dot-20241123093700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>The only secondary source I see giving significant coverage of the subject is "Global Issues", which is clearly not reliable. Other sources do not mention the subject or do so briefly. <a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense">Remsense</a> ‥ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense">论</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Remsense-20241123093700-EditorSenpai-20241123092800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>FYI - <a href="/wiki/Draft:Worldview_International_Foundation" title="Draft:Worldview International Foundation">Draft:Worldview International Foundation</a> was Declined, which is less severe than Rejected. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241123150100-Remsense-20241123093700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:01, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes and I have adjusted accordingly.</dd> <dd>I have decided to resubmit the article again and see whether it has merit or further issues to fix.</dd> <dd>It is the first article I am writing on Wikipedia and I really appreciate all the help and guidance! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:EditorSenpai&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:EditorSenpai (page does not exist)">EditorSenpai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EditorSenpai" title="User talk:EditorSenpai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-EditorSenpai-20241123210700-David_notMD-20241123150100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Thank you for your feedback!</dd> <dd>I do have a genuine concern as the article I am working on is about is a well-established NGO that is working towards mangrove restoration but has rarely been studied within scholarly articles.</dd> <dd>Please let me know if there are any specific recommendations you would suggest for me to overcome this issue. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:EditorSenpai&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:EditorSenpai (page does not exist)">EditorSenpai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EditorSenpai" title="User talk:EditorSenpai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-EditorSenpai-20241123210500-Remsense-20241123093700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(7)"><h2 id="Content_deliverer/s" data-mw-thread-id="h-Content_deliverer/s-20241123111700">Content deliverer/s</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Content deliverer/s" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-7 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-7"> When a source's URL is an article at JSTOR uploaded to the Internet Archive should "<a href="/wiki/JSTOR" title="JSTOR">JSTOR</a> via the <a href="/wiki/Internet_Archive" title="Internet Archive">Internet Archive</a>" be in the Content deliverer field (leading to "via <a href="/wiki/JSTOR" title="JSTOR">JSTOR</a> via the <a href="/wiki/Internet_Archive" title="Internet Archive">Internet Archive</a>" in the citation) or would it be better only to enter <a href="/wiki/Internet_Archive" title="Internet Archive">Internet Archive</a> in the field and mention <a href="/wiki/JSTOR" title="JSTOR">JSTOR</a> in a postscript note? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mcljlm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mcljlm (page does not exist)">Mcljlm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mcljlm" title="User talk:Mcljlm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Mcljlm-20241123111700-Content_deliverer/s" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello Mcljlm. Just mentioning the Internet Archive should be fine. <a href="/wiki/User:TheWikipede" class="mw-redirect" title="User:TheWikipede">TheWikipede</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheWikipede" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:TheWikipede">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TheWikipede-20241123222400-Mcljlm-20241123111700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(8)"><h2 id="Reverting_a_long-time_user's_revision" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reverting_a_long-time_user's_revision-20241123135500">Reverting a long-time user's revision</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Reverting a long-time user's revision" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-8 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-8"> Hello, and sorry for taking up your time! I haven't been in Wikipedia for long and my revisions had only been somewhat minor (mostly fixing grammars and deleting words that are inaccurate to the sources). I found that the <a href="/wiki/Majapahit" title="Majapahit">Majapahit</a> article which I had been watching was edited in a way that I believe is mostly damaging by a long-time user. I reverted their revisions but they reverted it back. How should I respond to this? The safest way that I can think of is to edit the current article to be more similar to the previous version, but that will include most things except the infobox. Should I just revert everything again, especially considering that I'm new? And is there a way to prevent said user (and others) from changing the article in a similar manner? Thank you. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Miserableed&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Miserableed (page does not exist)">Miserableed</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Miserableed" title="User talk:Miserableed">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Miserableed-20241123135500-Reverting_a_long-time_user's_revision" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I'd recommend reading (or at least skimming) <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EDITWAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EDITWAR">WP:EDITWAR</a> before deciding to get into a conflict with a more experienced editor. I'd also recommend asking them why they chose to revert your edits by either starting a new topic on their user talk page, or by mentioning them on the article's talk page (you can do this by linking to their user page). As more general advice (not saying you did this here), don't take it as an attack when someone reverts your edits. It's just them saying that they disagree, and you can always try to convince them otherwise (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GOODFAITH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GOODFAITH">WP:GOODFAITH</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:GracenC" title="User:GracenC">/home/gracen/</a> (yell at me <a href="/wiki/User_talk:GracenC" title="User talk:GracenC">here</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GracenC-20241123205500-Miserableed-20241123135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Miserableed&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Miserableed (page does not exist)">Miserableed</a>: Further to the correct answer above, the process to follow is described at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DR">WP:DR</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241124203800-Miserableed-20241123135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(9)"><h2 id="Reliable_references" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reliable_references-20241123150800">Reliable references</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Reliable references" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-9 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-9"> Hi, My article was rejected due to a lack of reliable references. As my topic is somewhat obscure (a sculpture), the references are equally obscure but I tried hard to find real references. Any thoughts? <a href="/wiki/Draft:Chrinitoid" title="Draft:Chrinitoid">Draft:Chrinitoid</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tompayne36&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tompayne36 (page does not exist)">Tompayne36</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tompayne36" title="User talk:Tompayne36">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tompayne36-20241123150800-Reliable_references" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It's not so much that the references are obscure as much as the references are all closely connected to RIP or Rickey themselves. It seems appropriate where it is in Rickey's article, but I think I'd have to agree that the sourcing isn't sufficient to show the sculpture should have an article of its own. I wonder if you'd find more extensive, independent coverage from the Troy Record or another paper in the Capital District. <a href="/wiki/User:CoffeeCrumbs" title="User:CoffeeCrumbs">CoffeeCrumbs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CoffeeCrumbs" title="User talk:CoffeeCrumbs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241123161600-Tompayne36-20241123150800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tompayne36&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tompayne36 (page does not exist)">Tompayne36</a>: For a subject like that you might need to refer to contemporary newspaper sources. When you have been here a while longer, you can use <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LIBRARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LIBRARY">WP:LIBRARY</a> to access some archives that are otherwise paywalled. Perhaps the university had its own publication, or a student paper? You could contact them directly. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241124203500-Tompayne36-20241123150800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@pigsonthewing Hi. I referenced the RPI Alumni Magazine. It was an article I wrote, but they did publish it. There was also a reference in the campus humor magazine and the unofficial “Not the Rensselaer Handbook” <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tompayne36&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tompayne36 (page does not exist)">Tompayne36</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tompayne36" title="User talk:Tompayne36">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tompayne36-20241124211300-Pigsonthewing-20241124203500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>It was also referenced in the student newspaper (The Polytechnic)<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.tumblr.com/witnessmoderations/85215827917/in-search-of-the-chrinitoid">https://www.tumblr.com/witnessmoderations/85215827917/in-search-of-the-chrinitoid</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tompayne36&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tompayne36 (page does not exist)">Tompayne36</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tompayne36" title="User talk:Tompayne36">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tompayne36-20241124211800-Pigsonthewing-20241124203500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(10)"><h2 id="Fan_Zhibo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fan_Zhibo-20241123151700">Fan Zhibo</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Fan Zhibo" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-10 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-10"> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jibo" class="extiw" title="ru:Jibo">ru:Jibo</a> Hello. Please help me create a Wikipedia page for Fan Zhibo in English. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TanyaGroot&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TanyaGroot (page does not exist)">TanyaGroot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TanyaGroot" title="User talk:TanyaGroot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TanyaGroot-20241123151700-Fan_Zhibo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TanyaGroot&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TanyaGroot (page does not exist)">TanyaGroot</a>, and welcome to the Teahouse. The Teahouse is not really a place to look for collaborators. Have you read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation" title="Wikipedia:Translation">Translation</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241123205800-TanyaGroot-20241123151700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(11)"><h2 id="Fonts_and_citations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fonts_and_citations-20241123224600">Fonts and citations</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Fonts and citations" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-11 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-11"> <ol><li>first, is there a settings thing to change the font into something <a href="/wiki/Sans-serif#Geometric" title="Sans-serif">Geometric</a>? because it's easier to read then Arial for me</li> <li>is there a way to hide citations? it was annoying when I first started Wikipedia, I never use them, and it's just annoying when copy-pasting or printing</li></ol> <a href="/wiki/User:Saarabout" title="User:Saarabout">Saarabout</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Saarabout" title="User talk:Saarabout">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Saarabout-20241123224600-Fonts_and_citations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>To answer your first question, I believe that Wikipedia uses the default font that your browser does, so you can just change it there. I don't know about the second question, though. <a href="/wiki/User:GracenC" title="User:GracenC">/home/gracen/</a> (yell at me <a href="/wiki/User_talk:GracenC" title="User talk:GracenC">here</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GracenC-20241124005400-Saarabout-20241123224600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Hello <a href="/wiki/User:Saarabout" title="User:Saarabout">Saarabout</a>, there is a pretty straightforward way to remove the footnotes from copied text. Do you use a text editor with <a href="/wiki/Regular_expression" title="Regular expression">regular expressions</a>? If so, you can replace <code>\[\d*\]</code> with nothing and it will scrub the footnotes from the article. I do this sometimes to use spelling/grammar checkers. There are some online tools that you can use for this as well.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://coding.tools/regex-replace">[1]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://regex101.com/r/kUW4Ug/1">[2]</a> This is an <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://rextester.com/replace/UXKAM97759">example using a random paragraph</a> from <a href="/wiki/Night_of_the_Living_Dead" title="Night of the Living Dead">Night of the Living Dead</a>.</dd> <dd>Hiding the footnotes across the site is more awkward. There isn't a straightforward way to do it, both because most editors would not want to hide the citations and because not all footnotes are made the same way. To hide nearly all footnotes go to <a href="/wiki/Special:MyPage/common.css" title="Special:MyPage/common.css">Special:MyPage/common.css</a>, create the page, copy just this line <code>sup.reference {display:none;}</code> and save the page. To turn the footnotes back on, go to <a href="/wiki/Special:MyPage/common.css" title="Special:MyPage/common.css">Special:MyPage/common.css</a>, click edit, and delete or comment out that line. I realize that's a weird solution, <a href="/wiki/User:Rjjiii" title="User:Rjjiii">Rjjiii</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rjjiii" title="User talk:Rjjiii">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rjjiii-20241124024200-Saarabout-20241123224600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(12)"><h2 id="Unsure_as_to_whether_article_is_actually_been_submitted_for_review." data-mw-thread-id="h-Unsure_as_to_whether_article_is_actually_been_submitted_for_review.-20241124011100">Unsure as to whether article is actually been submitted for review.</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Unsure as to whether article is actually been submitted for review." class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-12 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-12"> I’ve completed a draft, and seemingly published it, but i can’t find it in the list of articles submitted for review. Have i submitted correctly? <a href="/wiki/Draft:Kieran_Howe" title="Draft:Kieran Howe">Draft:Kieran Howe</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:MyNameIsGeorgeHale&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:MyNameIsGeorgeHale (page does not exist)">MyNameIsGeorgeHale</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MyNameIsGeorgeHale" title="User talk:MyNameIsGeorgeHale">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-MyNameIsGeorgeHale-20241124011100-Unsure_as_to_whether_article_is_actually_been_submitted_for_review." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, you successfully submitted it. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241124012500-MyNameIsGeorgeHale-20241124011100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:25, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>And it has been declined, reasons given by the reviewer and Comments. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241124232800-331dot-20241124012500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(13)"><h2 id="Submitting_a_bio" data-mw-thread-id="h-Submitting_a_bio-20241124014700">Submitting a bio</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Submitting a bio" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-13 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-13"> I need to get a bio of my pastor on Wikipedia, but I don't really have a way to footnote anything. He has books with bios on the back cover and he has an outdated bio on his own website. I made a simple bio on Wikimedia Commons site for Dr. Larry Ollison, and that's about all I really need on Wikipedia. I need it because on the streaming site for LarryOllisonRadio.com, when you click on Larry's name, the software searches for that name on Wikipedia. Right now it finds Barry White who has a son, with the name Ollison. Can anyone here help me create this bio on the main site? Jim McDermott <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jimmcdcmm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jimmcdcmm (page does not exist)">Jimmcdcmm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jimmcdcmm" title="User talk:Jimmcdcmm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jimmcdcmm-20241124014700-Submitting_a_bio" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I'm afraid "I need it" is not a real reason for anyone to create an article. What is needed is evidence of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notability</a> via <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">significant coverage</a> from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User talk:Just Step Sideways">from this world ..... today</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124020900-Jimmcdcmm-20241124014700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Follow up question: would this website be a reliable source? <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.faithandflame.com/collections/harrison-house-books/products/hidden-mysteries-and-the-bible-secrets-revealed-aliens-ufos-giants-time-travel-multiverse-ai-other-unexplained-phenomena-paperback-october-1-2024">https://www.faithandflame.com/collections/harrison-house-books/products/hidden-mysteries-and-the-bible-secrets-revealed-aliens-ufos-giants-time-travel-multiverse-ai-other-unexplained-phenomena-paperback-october-1-2024</a>. There are quotes there by other authors about Dr. Ollison and a picture of his book with a bio on the book. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jimmcdcmm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jimmcdcmm (page does not exist)">Jimmcdcmm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jimmcdcmm" title="User talk:Jimmcdcmm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jimmcdcmm-20241124032400-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124020900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>A "buy it here" page? No. An article about a person needs to cite sources that provide in-depth coverage about that person. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Golden_Rule" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Golden Rule">Wikipedia:Golden Rule</a> for the kinds of sources required. That one you cited doesn't meet the criteria, because none of the information there is independent of the author or the book, and none of it constitutes "coverage". Even if all you could find were book reviews, that suggests that the book may be notable, but not the author.</dd> <dd>Also, what you're asking is basically to use Wikipedia as a publicity platform (or a way to fix technical problems you are having with publicity that isn't a problem for Wikipedia), and that sort of purpose is prohibited. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist">Anachronist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anachronist" title="User talk:Anachronist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anachronist-20241124042200-Jimmcdcmm-20241124032400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jimmcdcmm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jimmcdcmm (page does not exist)">Jimmcdcmm</a>: If your pastor is pressuring you to do this, you can refer him to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOSS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOSS">WP:BOSS</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241124201900-Jimmcdcmm-20241124014700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>If the image is free, then it can exist on commons and does not need to be on enwiki also. If it is non-free, it is forbidden to be on commons and also does not seem to satisfy the limited cases where non-free content is allowed on enwiki. The licensing and origin really needs to be clarified, and usually only the photographer (or someone else specified by a contract the photographer has) can make a valid license release. Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials" title="Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials">Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials</a> for information about how to figure out who owns the license and how they can release it for use. <a href="/wiki/User:DMacks" title="User:DMacks">DMacks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DMacks" title="User talk:DMacks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DMacks-20241125010600-Jimmcdcmm-20241124014700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hasn't been said, but Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to co-author. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241125201300-DMacks-20241125010600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(14)"><h2 id="Doubt" data-mw-thread-id="h-Doubt-20241124015000">Doubt</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Doubt" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-14 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-14"> Hello, could someone please tell me that if there is a politician with name "example politician" and his page is already available but there is one more politician from another constituency who has been elected and his name is also "example politician" than what to do? <a href="/wiki/User:AstuteFlicker" title="User:AstuteFlicker">AstuteFlicker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AstuteFlicker" title="User talk:AstuteFlicker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AstuteFlicker-20241124015000-Doubt" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I'm assuming this is not meant to be taken literally and you mean there might be a "John Smith" elected in Florida and another in England, or whatever? <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation" title="Wikipedia:Disambiguation">Wikipedia:Disambiguation</a> would be the answer. If there are just two notable persons by the same name we would usually add qualifiers to the page titles and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HATNOTE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HATNOTE">HATNOTEs</a> at the top of both pages. If there are several we would create a disambiguation page listing them all. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User talk:Just Step Sideways">from this world ..... today</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124021200-AstuteFlicker-20241124015000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I far as I know there are just two people because one already had a page the second one has recently been elected. If you don't mind once I create the page I'll let you know and if you could just see that part it would be very helpful for me because I don't have much idea of it. But for that first, I need to have a title for it because both the titles are same and the page cannot be created because it already has a article with that name what should the name be given? <a href="/wiki/User:AstuteFlicker" title="User:AstuteFlicker">AstuteFlicker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AstuteFlicker" title="User talk:AstuteFlicker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AstuteFlicker-20241124021700-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124021200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>For the second article, it can simply be "John Smith (another constituency)". And for the first article that is already existing, if it has been the only article with that title, we can apply a hatnote to direct readers to the new article for a start per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TWODAB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TWODAB">WP:TWODAB</a>. Why not create the article first and let us help you evaluate which title the article(s) should reside at? <a href="/wiki/User:Robertsky" title="User:Robertsky">– robertsky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertsky" title="User talk:Robertsky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Robertsky-20241124030500-AstuteFlicker-20241124021700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Robertsky" title="User:Robertsky">Robertsky</a> I have created <a href="/wiki/Ashok_Kumar_Singh_(Ramgarh)" title="Ashok Kumar Singh (Ramgarh)">Ashok Kumar Singh (Ramgarh)</a> there is one more page named <a href="/wiki/Ashok_Kumar_Singh" class="mw-disambig" title="Ashok Kumar Singh">Ashok Kumar Singh</a> please do the needful. Also, is the name fine? If not, please feel free to move it.. <a href="/wiki/User:AstuteFlicker" title="User:AstuteFlicker">AstuteFlicker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AstuteFlicker" title="User talk:AstuteFlicker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AstuteFlicker-20241124050200-Robertsky-20241124030500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Ashok_Kumar_Singh" class="mw-disambig" title="Ashok Kumar Singh">Ashok Kumar Singh</a> is now a disambiguation page that links to both articles. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist">Anachronist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anachronist" title="User talk:Anachronist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anachronist-20241124052200-AstuteFlicker-20241124050200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:AstuteFlicker" title="User:AstuteFlicker">AstuteFlicker</a>, the article title seems to be fine but the article itself tells us nothing about this person other than their name, the legislative office they hold, and their political party affiliation. The article is more like a directory or database listing than an encyclopedia article. When and where was he born? What is his educational background? Where did he work before becoming a politician? What are his unique political positions and legislative plans? Was his electoral victory tough or easy? Does he have other leadership roles in his community or his political party? Is he married? Does he have children? And so on. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241124053300-Anachronist-20241124052200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> Thank you very much for your valuable attention to this article. The articles which I am creating right know are all stubs about the MLAs who had been elected very recently. The elected MLAs are mostly new and that is the reason why, much information about them ain't available right know. With time, when more sources about them will be published I will make sure to add or update it. Meanwhile, the other editors can also contribute to it if they wish to. <a href="/wiki/User:AstuteFlicker" title="User:AstuteFlicker">AstuteFlicker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AstuteFlicker" title="User talk:AstuteFlicker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AstuteFlicker-20241124054100-Cullen328-20241124053300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:AstuteFlicker" title="User:AstuteFlicker">AstuteFlicker</a>, nothing that you have done is contrary to policy but I happen to believe quite firmly that it is a far greater service to the encyclopedia to create five well-referenced, informative start class articles than 50 microstubs. People can easily consult legislative directories to get this basic database information. Encyclopedia articles should be much more informative. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241124055700-AstuteFlicker-20241124054100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> unfortunately, this is a by-product of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOL">WP:NPOL</a>. One can only hope that the article will expand correspondingly when more details about the elected politician are released. <a href="/wiki/User:Robertsky" title="User:Robertsky">– robertsky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertsky" title="User talk:Robertsky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Robertsky-20241124144100-Cullen328-20241124055700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Thanks @<a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist">Anachronist</a> for following up on this. <a href="/wiki/User:Robertsky" title="User:Robertsky">– robertsky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertsky" title="User talk:Robertsky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Robertsky-20241124144100-Anachronist-20241124052200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(15)"><h2 id="Article_Edit_Assist" data-mw-thread-id="h-Article_Edit_Assist-20241124015300">Article Edit Assist</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Article Edit Assist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-15 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-15"> Hey there! I created an article on Imagine Dragons song, Take Me To The Beach. It’s my first article, so I’d appreciate some feedback/editing if that’s ok? <a href="/wiki/Draft:Take_Me_To_The_Beach_(Imagine_Dragons_song)" title="Draft:Take Me To The Beach (Imagine Dragons song)">Draft:Take Me To The Beach (Imagine Dragons song)</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ImagineDragonsFan101&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ImagineDragonsFan101 (page does not exist)">ImagineDragonsFan101</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ImagineDragonsFan101" title="User talk:ImagineDragonsFan101">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ImagineDragonsFan101-20241124015300-Article_Edit_Assist" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Your draft is almopst certainly going to be declined for lacking <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">relaible sources</a> that include <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">significant coverage</a> of the song. YouTube is not a reliable source. Apple Music is not a reliable source. And so on. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User talk:Just Step Sideways">from this world ..... today</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124020700-ImagineDragonsFan101-20241124015300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:07, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(16)"><h2 id="Local_wiki_upload" data-mw-thread-id="h-Local_wiki_upload-20241124031400">Local wiki upload</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Local wiki upload" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-16 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-16"> I am trying to upload an image (the first one on the left of the page) from <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.gpchicago.com/architecture/paramount/">https://www.gpchicago.com/architecture/paramount/</a> under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content" title="Wikipedia:Non-free content">fair use</a> to use in <a href="/wiki/Paramount_Tower_(Nashville)" title="Paramount Tower (Nashville)">Paramount Tower (Nashville)</a>. Wikimedia Commons says <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fair_use" class="extiw" title="commons:Fair use">fair use images should be uploaded to a local wiki</a> (which should be English Wikipedia?) I believe the image fits all criteria and there are no free replacements as it is a render of a building that has only just started construction. So how do I upload it to English Wikipedia specifically? <a href="/wiki/User:King_airaglub" title="User:King airaglub">King airaglub</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:King_airaglub" title="User talk:King airaglub">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-King_airaglub-20241124031400-Local_wiki_upload" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, <a href="/wiki/User:King_airaglub" title="User:King airaglub">King airaglub</a>. That image appears to be a copyrighted <a href="/wiki/Architectural_rendering" title="Architectural rendering">architectural rendering</a> of a future building. The opportunity for a free replacement is obvious: wait until construction is complete and take a photo of the actual building. Or even take and freely license a photo of the half completed building under construction or the jobsite consisting of a hole in the ground with earth moving equipment around it. I fail to see how non-free use of this copyrighted rendering image complies with the relevant policy language at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NFCI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NFCI">Non-free content - images</a>. We do not need to be in a rush to have an image of this building. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241124044300-King_airaglub-20241124031400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>To me that is not a good solution. For one, there are many other articles of proposed buildings that have renderings shown under fair use in the same manner as what I am trying to do, such as <a href="/wiki/4/C" title="4/C">4/C</a>, <a href="/wiki/Legends_Tower" title="Legends Tower">Legends Tower</a>, and <a href="/wiki/One_Bayfront_Plaza" title="One Bayfront Plaza">One Bayfront Plaza</a>. Besides, a picture of an empty construction hole would not add encyclopedic value. <a href="/wiki/User:King_airaglub" title="User:King airaglub">King airaglub</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:King_airaglub" title="User talk:King airaglub">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-King_airaglub-20241124141900-Cullen328-20241124044300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(17)"><h2 id="I_would_like_to_open_a_page_with_information_about_myself_and_my_career,_can_anyone_help?" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_would_like_to_open_a_page_with_information_about_myself_and_my_career,_can_any-20241124053400">I would like to open a page with information about myself and my career, can anyone help?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: I would like to open a page with information about myself and my career, can anyone help?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-17 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-17"> I would like to open a page with information about myself and my career, can anyone help? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dragan_Mihailovic&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dragan Mihailovic (page does not exist)">Dragan Mihailovic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dragan_Mihailovic" title="User talk:Dragan Mihailovic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Dragan_Mihailovic-20241124053400-I_would_like_to_open_a_page_with_information_about_myself_and_my_career,_can_any" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dragan_Mihailovic&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dragan Mihailovic (page does not exist)">Dragan Mihailovic</a>. I have got to tell you that this is almost certainly a really bad idea that leads to failure and time wasting and bad feelings about 99.9% of the time. Read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOBIOGRAPHY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTOBIOGRAPHY">WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY</a> for a much more detailed explanation. Your time would be better spent telling the world about you on various social media platforms rather than in an encyclopedia. Self promotion is forbidden on Wikipedia but welcomed and encouraged elsewhere. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241124054400-Dragan_Mihailovic-20241124053400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:44, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>thank you @<a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a>, very kind of you!! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dragan_Mihailovic&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dragan Mihailovic (page does not exist)">Dragan Mihailovic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dragan_Mihailovic" title="User talk:Dragan Mihailovic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Dragan_Mihailovic-20241124062200-Cullen328-20241124054400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(18)"><h2 id="wikipidia_search" data-mw-thread-id="h-wikipidia_search-20241124074000">wikipidia search</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: wikipidia search" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-18 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-18"> what is the difference between "disambiguation" and "topics refered to by the same term"? <a href="/wiki/User:YisroelB501" title="User:YisroelB501">YisroelB501</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:YisroelB501" title="User talk:YisroelB501">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-YisroelB501-20241124074000-wikipidia_search" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:YisroelB501" title="User:YisroelB501">YisroelB501</a> Can you please supply a link to the page with the text that is confusing you, so we can see the context of your question? <a href="/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Mathglot-20241124083800-YisroelB501-20241124074000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:YisroelB501" title="User:YisroelB501">YisroelB501</a>: Do you refer to search suggestions like below while you are typing in the search box?</dd></dl> <pre>Titanic (disambiguation) Topics referred to by the same term </pre> <dl><dd>The first line gives the full page name "<a href="/wiki/Titanic_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Titanic (disambiguation)">Titanic (disambiguation)</a>". The second line gives a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Short_description" title="Wikipedia:Short description">Wikipedia:Short description</a> of the page. For disambiguation pages the short description "Topics referred to by the same term" is automatically added by {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Disambiguation" class="mw-disambig" title="Template:Disambiguation">Disambiguation</a>}}. It's possible to override it but we rarely do that. Short descriptions are shown together with the page name so there is no need to repeat "Titanic". <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PrimeHunter-20241124103100-YisroelB501-20241124074000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>If there is no <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PTOPIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PTOPIC">primary topic</a> then a disambiguation page doesn't get "(disambiguation)" in the page name but still gets the short description "Topics referred to by the same term", e.g. <a href="/wiki/Stay" class="mw-disambig" title="Stay">Stay</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PrimeHunter-20241124104000-YisroelB501-20241124074000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(19)"><h2 id="When_will_the_newly_created_page_be_searchable_on_Google?" data-mw-thread-id="h-When_will_the_newly_created_page_be_searchable_on_Google?-20241124080900">When will the newly created page be searchable on Google?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: When will the newly created page be searchable on Google?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-19 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-19"> On Wednesday, I created a page for academic painter Stano Bubán on the English Wikipedia <a href="/wiki/Stano_Bub%C3%A1n" title="Stano Bubán">Stano Bubán</a>. I want to ask when this page will be searchable via Google? It can be searched on Wikipedia, but it is not searchable via Google yet. Thank you for your answer. <a href="/wiki/User:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jozef Heriban">Jozef Heriban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jozef Heriban">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jozef_Heriban-20241124080900-When_will_the_newly_created_page_be_searchable_on_Google?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Your article will be patrolled first and after review, it takes about a week before your article is ranked on goggle <a href="/wiki/User:Tesleemah" title="User:Tesleemah">Tesleemah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tesleemah" title="User talk:Tesleemah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tesleemah-20241124082200-Jozef_Heriban-20241124080900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I'm fairly sure it can sometimes take more than a week. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241124095300-Tesleemah-20241124082200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jozef Heriban">Jozef Heriban</a> If the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP">new page patrol</a> don't get to it, and they are heavily backlogged, it will become indexable by search engines after 90 days. I find that, once patrolled, indexing happens very quickly, especially if anyone adds an edit. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241124152000-331dot-20241124095300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Dear Turnbull, thank you very much for your reply... have a nice day... <a href="/wiki/User:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jozef Heriban">Jozef Heriban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jozef Heriban">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jozef_Heriban-20241124155100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241124152000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Dear Tesleemah, thank you very much for your reply... have a nice day... <a href="/wiki/User:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jozef Heriban">Jozef Heriban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Jozef Heriban">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jozef_Heriban-20241124155200-Tesleemah-20241124082200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The article <a href="/wiki/Stano_Bub%C3%A1n" title="Stano Bubán">Stano Bubán</a> looks like it is in good condition, but there are two problems. 1. there are no links to it from anywhere else on the website, and 2. it does not seem clear that you own the copyright to the photos of him, particularly his first photo that looks like it was professionally done and the painting he did at the end of the page. <a href="/wiki/User:Reconrabbit" title="User:Reconrabbit">Recon</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reconrabbit" title="User talk:Reconrabbit">rabbit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Reconrabbit-20241124160200-Jozef_Heriban-20241124155200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jozef_Heriban" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jozef Heriban">Jozef Heriban</a>: Hi. Google, and Wikipedia are two different websites. An article becomes eligible for being indexed by Google (or any other search engines) after it is "reviewed" here. The time taken to be indexed after the review, is totally up to that particular search engine. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241125170300-Jozef_Heriban-20241124080900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</li></ul> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(20)"><h2 id="About_an_Edit_by_the_User" data-mw-thread-id="h-About_an_Edit_by_the_User-20241121141400">About an Edit by the User</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: About an Edit by the User" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-20 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-20"> States in India do not have flags or banners, they have their emblems or seals, most containing the Emblem of India. In the Page of <a href="/wiki/Government_of_Punjab,_India" title="Government of Punjab, India">Government of Punjab, India</a>, Due to no evidence, I deleted the image claiming to be the banner of the State Government. I 've never seen it in use in any of the Offices, Website, Notifications, Events, Buildings of the Government (I've been to many). The user is the uploader of the said file, he was the one who first added it, and he did the same again. What should be done? <a href="/wiki/User:VeritasVanguard" title="User:VeritasVanguard">VeritasVanguard</a> "Seeking truth in every edit" <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-VeritasVanguard-20241121141400-About_an_Edit_by_the_User" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hi! I suggest starting a discussion with the user on the article's talk page to see if they can provide a reliable source that explicitly supports the claim that the image in question is the state's banner. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DISCUSSCONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DISCUSSCONSENSUS">WP:DISCUSSCONSENSUS</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Original_research" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Original research">WP:original research</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Perception312" title="User:Perception312">Perception312</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Perception312" title="User talk:Perception312">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Perception312-20241121150000-VeritasVanguard-20241121141400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Use_of_a_banner_in_an_Infobox" data-mw-thread-id="h-Use_of_a_banner_in_an_Infobox-About_an_Edit_by_the_User-20241124083500">Use of a banner in an Infobox</h3> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Use of a banner in an Infobox" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> </div> Recently i added a Government banner in the infobox of the <a href="/wiki/Government_of_Punjab,_India" title="Government of Punjab, India">Government of Punjab, India</a>, but now an user keep deleting it citing that Indian states don't use banners but in reality Indian state governments use banners to represent the state government. We have a whole article on Wikipedia on this topic (<a href="/wiki/List_of_Indian_state_flags#Banners_of_the_states_and_union_territories" title="List of Indian state flags">List of Indian state flags</a>), I don't want to start an editing war, what i can do now? <a href="/wiki/User:Shubhdeep_Sandhu" title="User:Shubhdeep Sandhu">Shubhdeep Sandhu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shubhdeep_Sandhu" title="User talk:Shubhdeep Sandhu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shubhdeep_Sandhu-20241124083500-Use_of_a_banner_in_an_Infobox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Shubhdeep_Sandhu" title="User:Shubhdeep Sandhu">Shubhdeep Sandhu</a>: I've moved a related discussion down and put your question under it. The <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#c-Perception312-20241121150000-VeritasVanguard-20241121141400">above advice</a> applies to you, too: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">[start] a discussion with the user on the article's talk page to ... provide a reliable source that explicitly supports the claim that the image in question is the state's banner</q>. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241124104100-Shubhdeep_Sandhu-20241124083500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Since that advice was given, you received <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org?diff=1259272200&oldid=1258302727">some user talk messages</a> on the matter; I've found no discussions at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Government_of_Punjab,_India" title="Talk:Government of Punjab, India">Talk:Government of Punjab, India</a> or the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics" title="Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics">Noticeboard for India-related topics</a>. As of this reply, the edit summary of the <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1259272160" title="Special:Diff/1259272160">most recent revert</a> says <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Unreliable and irrelevant source</q>, so it seems like the source you provided is inadequate. <a href="/wiki/List_of_Indian_state_flags" title="List of Indian state flags">List of Indian state flags</a> is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSPWP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSPWP">similarly unsuitable</a> because anyone can edit it. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241124104100-Shubhdeep_Sandhu-20241124083500-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> I have said , and will state again 'That states in India do not have flags', they have seals/emblems that they use. This is misleading to upload a file namely 'Banner of Punjab' when there is no use by the said government. The user in its Commons File deletion gives 'Indiamart' a selling platform, vexilla-mundi.com & other unknown, Facebook (unreliable) sources. <a href="/wiki/User:VeritasVanguard" title="User:VeritasVanguard">Veritas</a>Vanguard: "Seeking truth in every edit" <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-VeritasVanguard-20241125145900-Rotideypoc41352-20241124104100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Shubhdeep_Sandhu" title="User:Shubhdeep Sandhu">Shubhdeep Sandhu</a>, I have replied to you on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Government_of_Punjab,_India" title="Talk:Government of Punjab, India">Talk:Government of Punjab, India</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeraxmoira" title="User:Jeraxmoira">Jeraxmoira🐉</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeraxmoira" title="User talk:Jeraxmoira">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jeraxmoira-20241124145300-Shubhdeep_Sandhu-20241124083500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(21)"><h2 id="Review" data-mw-thread-id="h-Review-20241124093800">Review</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Review" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-21 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-21"> Greetings, Any professional editor able to review and provide suggestions to get my article published? Thanks a million, Annie <a href="/wiki/User:Anniebeau" title="User:Anniebeau">Anniebeau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anniebeau" title="User talk:Anniebeau">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anniebeau-20241124093800-Review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Anniebeau" title="User:Anniebeau">User:Anniebeau</a> Welcome to the Teahouse. I assume you are referring to <a href="/wiki/Draft:Dan_Yessian" title="Draft:Dan Yessian">Draft:Dan Yessian</a>. The article has been reviewed twice. There are several suggestions at the top of that draft. Is there a specific suggestion that you do not understand?— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Shantavira" title="User:Shantavira">Shantavira</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shantavira#top" title="User talk:Shantavira">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Shantavira" title="Special:Contributions/Shantavira">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shantavira-20241124094500-Anniebeau-20241124093800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Anniebeau" title="User:Anniebeau">Anniebeau</a> I have removed all the external links from the body text, as these are not normally allowed. I also fixed a couple of archive errors and did a bit of tidying up. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241124151600-Shantavira-20241124094500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Mike,</dd> <dd>I appreciate you! Thank you!</dd> <dd>Andrea <a href="/wiki/User:Anniebeau" title="User:Anniebeau">Anniebeau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anniebeau" title="User talk:Anniebeau">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anniebeau-20241124152200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241124151600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>This version is much different than the initial draft. <a href="/wiki/User:Anniebeau" title="User:Anniebeau">Anniebeau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anniebeau" title="User talk:Anniebeau">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anniebeau-20241124152300-Shantavira-20241124094500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Declined again. There is still a lot of unreferenced content. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241124233200-Anniebeau-20241124152300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I am unsure what is considered "unreferenced" as I ensured each bit of information was noted with a reference. That is why I have about 18 news articles documented.</dd> <dd>Can anyone please guide me as to what information is considered unreferenced? <a href="/wiki/User:Anniebeau" title="User:Anniebeau">Anniebeau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anniebeau" title="User talk:Anniebeau">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anniebeau-20241124234100-David_notMD-20241124233200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Anniebeau" title="User:Anniebeau">Anniebeau</a>, you have quite a lot of sentences in the Career section that appear to be unreferenced. If they are in fact all referenced by the next given citation, you may want to think about combing them into paragraphs and/or using <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REFNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REFNAME">named references</a> so it's clear where the information comes from. Generally, if there's no citation on the end of a sentence, and it's not a part of a longer piece of information, that sentence is likely to be considered unreferenced. <a href="/wiki/User:StartGrammarTime" title="User:StartGrammarTime">StartGrammarTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StartGrammarTime" title="User talk:StartGrammarTime">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-StartGrammarTime-20241125025000-Anniebeau-20241124234100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you for your time and guidance! <a href="/wiki/User:Anniebeau" title="User:Anniebeau">Anniebeau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anniebeau" title="User talk:Anniebeau">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anniebeau-20241125112600-StartGrammarTime-20241125025000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Mike,</dd> <dd>Are you talking about the note on the draft from last week, or do you mean today? <a href="/wiki/User:Anniebeau" title="User:Anniebeau">Anniebeau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anniebeau" title="User talk:Anniebeau">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anniebeau-20241125010000-David_notMD-20241124233200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> In the current version, here is some of the unreferenced text: <ul><li>A 1967 graduate of Wayne State University, Yessian taught speech and English for four years at Detroit's Redford High School. He left education to pursue a music career.</li> <li>In 1971, Yessian Music opened in a 300-square-foot office, once an old bait shop in Farmington. He called local car dealers hoping to interest them in purchasing a custom jingle to promote their business.</li> <li>Yessian wrote theme songs for sports organizations including Detroit Pistons, Detroit Red Wings, Detroit Tigers and Los Angeles Dodgers.</li> <li>In the 1980s, Yessian met songwriter David Barrett (Composer "One Shining Moment") with whom he composed numerous songs including a collaboration on "I See Wings" a song written for Yessian's documentary and symphonic work "An Armenian Trilogy".</li></ul> There is more. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241125033700-Review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>David,</dd> <dd>You are absolutely right. I will correct.</dd> <dd>Thanks again! <a href="/wiki/User:Anniebeau" title="User:Anniebeau">Anniebeau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anniebeau" title="User talk:Anniebeau">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anniebeau-20241125112700-David_notMD-20241125033700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(22)"><h2 id="Wikidata_tangle" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikidata_tangle-20241124162000">Wikidata tangle</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Wikidata tangle" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-22 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-22"> I've been trying to fix the wikidata linking around <a href="/wiki/Tambourin" title="Tambourin">Tambourin</a>, but I think it may not be possible. The situation is: <ul><li>en:Tambourin covers the Provence drum & dance</li> <li>en:Tabor (instrument) covers the Provence drum and Catalan drum, and a Welsh version, as a superset</li> <li>fr:Tambourin (sur fût) covers the Provence drum and Catalan drum</li> <li>fr:Tambourin (danse) covers the dance</li> <li>fr:Timbal (musique catalane) covers a Catalan version</li></ul> On wikidata: <ul><li>"tambori" links to en:Tambori and fr:Tambourin (sur fût)</li> <li>"tambourin" describes the dance; linked to fr:Tambourin (danse) and I've linked to en:Tambourin (danse), a redirect to en:Tambourin</li> <li>"tambourin (Provencal)" (created by me) describes the drum and links to en:Tambourin</li> <li>"tabor" links to en:Tabor (instrument) and fr:Timbal (musique catalan)</li></ul> Essentially, both tambori and tambourin (Provencal) need to link to fr:Tambourin (sur fût); tabor may also need to link there but doesn't appear to really have a good target; and both tambourin and tambourin (Provencal) need to link to en:Tambourin, but wikidata only allows one item to link to a given article. As you can see above I've created a redirect to fix one bit, but wikidata tries to stop you from adding these and I'm pretty sure it's not the intended solution. Does wikidata have a way of solving this? <a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrfoogles" title="User talk:Mrfoogles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Mrfoogles-20241124162000-Wikidata_tangle" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mrfoogles" title="User:Mrfoogles">Mrfoogles</a> That sounds like a problem better handled by the experts at Wikidata. There is <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WD:IWC" class="extiw" title="d:WD:IWC">a place to report interwiki conflicts</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241124172600-Mrfoogles-20241124162000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(23)"><h2 id="Conflict_of_Interest,_New_Editor,_Already_made_edits_-_eek!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Conflict_of_Interest,_New_Editor,_Already_made_edits_-_eek!-20241124181700">Conflict of Interest, New Editor, Already made edits - eek!</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Conflict of Interest, New Editor, Already made edits - eek!" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-23 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-23"> I am an associate member of the Society of Graphic Fine Art, and was asked by the committee to update the Wikipedia page. I have made significant changes to the article, which contained inaccurate and inadequate information. Naturally, I believe that I maintained a neutral position, but I am aware that it is not my place to judge this. I need help with this, please! I know that I need to declare this conflict of interest. I located the <a href="/wiki/Template:UserboxCOI" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:UserboxCOI">UserCOI template</a> and I understand that this goes on my user page - but where and how? What do I do about the edited page? I think I need to put a COI declaration on <a href="/wiki/Society_of_Graphic_Fine_Art" title="Society of Graphic Fine Art">Society of Graphic Fine Art</a> - again, I'm not sure where or how. Does another, impartial editor review my changes? Or do the changes need to be rescinded? I now know that I should not make any more edits on the Society's page (apart from very minor ones). <a href="/wiki/User:AmandaJBates" title="User:AmandaJBates">AmandaJBates</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmandaJBates" title="User talk:AmandaJBates">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AmandaJBates-20241124181700-Conflict_of_Interest,_New_Editor,_Already_made_edits_-_eek!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Don't worry all your edits were reverted as "not an imporvement at all". In future please request edits with the template {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_COI" title="Template:Edit COI">edit COI</a>}}. <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Theroadislong-20241124183400-AmandaJBates-20241124181700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:AmandaJBates" title="User:AmandaJBates">AmandaJBates</a>: Your user page is on the one that is (currently) a read link at the end of your comment here. It will go blue when you add some content there. You can also declare your COI in a comment on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Society_of_Graphic_Fine_Art" title="Talk:Society of Graphic Fine Art">Talk:Society of Graphic Fine Art</a> (the discussion page, as opposed to the article itself), which is also where you can request future changes. You may find these pages helpful: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOSS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOSS">WP:BOSS</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQAS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FAQAS">our FAQ for article subjects</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241124201500-AmandaJBates-20241124181700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:AmandaJBates" title="User:AmandaJBates">AmandaJBates</a>: just to note that Andy must mean "red link" above, not "read link". <a href="/wiki/User:Cordless_Larry" title="User:Cordless Larry">Cordless Larry</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cordless_Larry" title="User talk:Cordless Larry">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cordless_Larry-20241124215800-Pigsonthewing-20241124201500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I have no idea why somebody thought it was a good idea to list roughly 150 artists who participated in the organization's 1921 exhibition, referenced to the organization's own 1921 catalogue. Wikipedia articles about an organization should summarize what reliable sources entirely independent of the organization say about it, with very limited exceptions. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241124233400-Cordless_Larry-20241124215800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>My first thought is the fact that so many of the artists who participated in the first exhibition (1921) are subjects of Wikipedia articles reflects on the importance of the organization at its origin, BUT it is possible, nay likely, that these people became Wikipedia-notable for careers that extended long past 1921. So delete the list! <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241124234900-Cullen328-20241124233400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The list will be going if I have my way, on account if its irrelevance if nothing else. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.41.63.175" title="Special:Contributions/80.41.63.175">80.41.63.175</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:80.41.63.175&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:80.41.63.175 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-80.41.63.175-20241125104800-David_notMD-20241124234900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sorry, that was me. <a href="/wiki/User:AmandaJBates" title="User:AmandaJBates">AmandaJBates</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmandaJBates" title="User talk:AmandaJBates">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AmandaJBates-20241125105500-80.41.63.175-20241125104800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Sadly, there is very little available material that doesn't trace back to the Society, one way or another. It's a little bit ... niche, should we say. I take it that mission statements etc are one of your exceptions?</dd> <dd> <a href="/wiki/User:AmandaJBates" title="User:AmandaJBates">AmandaJBates</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmandaJBates" title="User talk:AmandaJBates">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AmandaJBates-20241125110200-Cullen328-20241124233400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(24)"><h2 id="Addition" data-mw-thread-id="h-Addition-20241124202100">Addition</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Addition" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-24 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-24"> if anyone’s watch the 900 days without Annabelle documentary, I feel like Rafael who was the first president of his country also tried very hard to help this case and I think that deserved to be realized in his page! I just don’t know how to write it good..<a href="/wiki/Rafael_Escuredo" title="Rafael Escuredo">Rafael Escuredo</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/66.129.196.190" title="Special:Contributions/66.129.196.190">66.129.196.190</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:66.129.196.190&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:66.129.196.190 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-66.129.196.190-20241124202100-Addition" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, IP user. If you have an improvement to suggest to an article, the article's talk page is the best place to make the suggestion. Your suggestion is more likely to be taken seriously if you cite a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable published source</a> for any information you wish to add. (I have no idea who Rafael is, or what that documentary is about, but if you want to cite it you need to establish that it was published/aired by somebody with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking). <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241124204400-66.129.196.190-20241124202100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1259388389" title="Special:Diff/1259388389">Done</a>. I can't add much more because a) the Heraldo piece is <a href="/wiki/Paywalled" class="mw-redirect" title="Paywalled">paywalled</a> and the preview doesn't say much more about <a href="/wiki/Rafael_Escuredo" title="Rafael Escuredo">Rafael Escuredo</a>'s role and actions in the negotiations for the <a href="/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Anabel_Segura" title="Kidnapping of Anabel Segura">kidnapping of Anabel Segura</a> and b) as @<a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> said, information needs to be supported by <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">somebody with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking</q>, and I know nothing about the production of the <a href="/w/index.php?title=900_Days_Without_Anabel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="900 Days Without Anabel (page does not exist)">900 Days Without Anabel</a> Netflix docuseries. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241124220300-66.129.196.190-20241124202100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a>: You an request access to paywalled sources at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RX" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RX">WP:RX</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241125145700-Rotideypoc41352-20241124220300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(25)"><h2 id="does_a_COI_still_exist_if_you_haven't_had_contact_with_someone_for_25_years?" data-mw-thread-id="h-does_a_COI_still_exist_if_you_haven't_had_contact_with_someone_for_25_years?-20241124202600">does a COI still exist if you haven't had contact with someone for 25 years?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: does a COI still exist if you haven't had contact with someone for 25 years?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-25 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-25"> I'm thinking about improving the article of someone for whom I worked 25 years ago. Is that still a COI, or is the COI no longer significant, since it was decades ago? Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:FactOrOpinion" title="User:FactOrOpinion">FactOrOpinion</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FactOrOpinion" title="User talk:FactOrOpinion">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FactOrOpinion-20241124202600-does_a_COI_still_exist_if_you_haven't_had_contact_with_someone_for_25_years?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I haven't had contact with my dead grandfather for longer than that, and I'd still have a COI.</dd> <dd>On the other hand, I'm thinking of the supervisor I had 25 years ago, and if he was clearly notable, I believe I could write a decent neutral article. I think you should be fine, just remember <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTMEMORIAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTMEMORIAL">Wikipedia is not to be used for memorializing</a>. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist">Anachronist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anachronist" title="User talk:Anachronist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anachronist-20241124204300-FactOrOpinion-20241124202600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You're right, I worded the question in my heading poorly, as some kinds of COIs clearly continue to exist no matter how much time has passed. I'm not going to memorialize him, just try to improve his article a bit, as it's currently a stub. I believe that I can be neutral, but am trying to figure out whether I need to declare a COI and only post edit requests. <a href="/wiki/User:FactOrOpinion" title="User:FactOrOpinion">FactOrOpinion</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FactOrOpinion" title="User talk:FactOrOpinion">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FactOrOpinion-20241124213000-Anachronist-20241124204300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Base what you write on what others have published, rather on what you know. Then there should be less bias introduced by you. <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User talk:Graeme Bartlett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241125002900-FactOrOpinion-20241124213000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a>, I do understand that. And thanks to <a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist">Anachronist</a> as well. <a href="/wiki/User:FactOrOpinion" title="User:FactOrOpinion">FactOrOpinion</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FactOrOpinion" title="User talk:FactOrOpinion">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FactOrOpinion-20241125005500-Graeme_Bartlett-20241125002900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:FactOrOpinion" title="User:FactOrOpinion">FactOrOpinion</a>, as I see it, the question of a conflict of interest is not a yes-or-no, black-or-white question in most cases of writing new articles or major expansions of existing articles. Instead, it is a continuum. If an editor is motivated to do the work of finding and evaluating and summarizing the reliable sources about a topic that interests them, then it can be said that they have at least a weak or mild conflict of interest about that topic. I was born and raised in Michigan and have lived in California for over 50 years, and have worked on many articles related to those two states. Back in June, my wife and I had a wonderful ten day visit to Alaska and I have since written and expanded several articles about Alaska. My favorite article that I have written about Alaska is <a href="/wiki/Wooden_halibut_hook" title="Wooden halibut hook">Wooden halibut hook</a>, a topic that I had never heard of six months ago but which fascinated me when I saw them in two museums in Alaska. I think that my conflict of interest is mild even though I took two of the photos in that article. When I was a young man, I was a California mountaineer. As a new editor, I wrote a biography of <a href="/wiki/Jules_Eichorn" title="Jules Eichorn">Jules Eichorn</a>, a climber that I took a two week trip with, along with about 15 other climbers in the late 1970s, and I took the photo in the article of him as an older man, 40 years older than me. And now I am older than he was then. I never heard from him again. I suppose I have a conflict of interest but I think that it is minor, because the article includes none of my personal experiences, and instead summarizes the reliable sources that I cited.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>A major problem occurs when the conflict goes beyond minor or mild, and interferes with the editor's ability to comply with Wikipedia's core content policies. The relevant language in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">WP:COI</a> policy is <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">While editing Wikipedia, an editor's primary role is to further the interests of the encyclopedia. When an external role or relationship could reasonably be said to undermine that primary role, the editor has a conflict of interest similar to how a judge's primary role as an impartial adjudicator would be undermined if they were married to one of the parties. Any external relationship—personal, religious, political, academic, legal, or financial (including holding a cryptocurrency)—can trigger a COI. How close the relationship needs to be before it becomes a concern on Wikipedia is governed by common sense.</q> So, we need to use common sense and recognize that "can trigger a COI" is not equivalent to "always triggers a COI". If an editor can and does write content that is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verifiable</a>, that avoids <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">original research</a>, and that complies with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">neutral point of view</a>, then common sense tells us that the conflict of interest is mild and manageable. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241125075700-FactOrOpinion-20241125005500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a>, thank you for that elaboration. I always try to abide by WP's PAGs and seek guidance when I need it. I appreciate how much time you and other experienced editors invest in helping people out. <a href="/wiki/User:FactOrOpinion" title="User:FactOrOpinion">FactOrOpinion</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FactOrOpinion" title="User talk:FactOrOpinion">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FactOrOpinion-20241125155700-Cullen328-20241125075700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(26)"><h2 id="Request_for_Feedback_and_Assistance_in_Revising_Draft" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_Feedback_and_Assistance_in_Revising_Draft-20241124204400">Request for Feedback and Assistance in Revising Draft</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Request for Feedback and Assistance in Revising Draft" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-26 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-26"> Dear Expert Team I hope you're doing well. I am reaching out to request your help in improving my draft article, <a href="/wiki/Draft:Sarbjit_Singh_Jhinjher" title="Draft:Sarbjit Singh Jhinjher">Draft:Sarbjit_Singh_Jhinjher</a>, in light of the recent feedback provided. The reviewer pointed out that the submission does not adhere to the formal tone expected for an encyclopedia article, and I would greatly appreciate your advice on how to rewrite it in a more neutral and encyclopedic format. Additionally, I have been advised to refer to a broader range of independent, reliable, and published sources to strengthen the article. Could you please assist me by reviewing the draft, particularly focusing on: <ul><li>Ensuring the tone is formal and neutral</li> <li>Avoiding any "peacock" terms or language that promotes the subject</li> <li>Suggesting improvements to improve the overall quality and adherence to Wikipedia's standards</li></ul> Your input would be incredibly valuable in helping me align the draft with Wikipedia's guidelines. Thank you in advance for your time and assistance. I look forward to your feedback. Best regards, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/49.156.107.234" title="Special:Contributions/49.156.107.234">49.156.107.234</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:49.156.107.234&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:49.156.107.234 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-49.156.107.234-20241124204400-Request_for_Feedback_and_Assistance_in_Revising_Draft" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>A sample (the section "Village Leadership"): From 2013 to 2018, Jhinjer served as [Why "served as" rather than plain "was"?] the Sarpanch [There is no reason for this to be boldface.] (village head) of Jhinjran, where he contributed [What did he contribute?] to the development of infrastructure [Water, electricity, sewerage, phone, wireless LAN, ...?] and improvements [What kind(s) of improvements?] in the village’s quality of life. And what is the (reliable and disinterested) source for all of this? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241124221700-49.156.107.234-20241124204400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>A different view: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">served as</q> is correct and normal and commonplace English usage. In American English (at least), it is the standard way to refer to a person holding a political office, a judgeship, or a military rank. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241124224500-Hoary-20241124221700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(27)"><h2 id="How_is_an_articles_importance_in_a_Wikiproject_debated?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_is_an_articles_importance_in_a_Wikiproject_debated?-20241124234600">How is an articles importance in a Wikiproject debated?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: How is an articles importance in a Wikiproject debated?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-27 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-27"> Recently, I added articles such as <a href="/wiki/Colossal_Biosciences" title="Colossal Biosciences">Colossal Biosciences</a>, <a href="/wiki/Arava_Institute_for_Environmental_Studies" title="Arava Institute for Environmental Studies">Arava Institute for Enviromental Studies</a>, <a href="/wiki/Northern_white_rhinoceros" title="Northern white rhinoceros">Northern white rhinoceros</a>, <a href="/wiki/Ivory-billed_woodpecker" title="Ivory-billed woodpecker">Ivory-billed woodpecker</a>, <a href="/wiki/Vaquita" title="Vaquita">Vaquita</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Judean_date_palm" title="Judean date palm">Judean date palm</a> to the extinction wikiproject, as the first two are organisations known for de-extinction, the three animals are glaring examples of pure manmade declines and functional extinctions in modern times, and the date tree is the first known successful de-extinction. How do these pages have their importance rated by a Wikiproject? All of them should be given high or mid-importance due to the reasons that I stated above. <a href="/wiki/User:Edelgardvonhresvelg" title="User:Edelgardvonhresvelg">Edelgardvonhresvelg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edelgardvonhresvelg" title="User talk:Edelgardvonhresvelg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Edelgardvonhresvelg-20241124234600-How_is_an_articles_importance_in_a_Wikiproject_debated?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I believe we used to have an actual scale for determining the importance, but in my experience it is usually very much "in the eye of the beholder", in other words, one persons' opinion. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User talk:Just Step Sideways">from this world ..... today</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241125000400-Edelgardvonhresvelg-20241124234600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>How do I rate their importance then? I doubt that many are interested in any of the subjects besides Colossal Biosciences due to them constantly making headlines, being endorsed by various governments, educational institutions, and celebrities. Judean date palm is also a plant, which doesn't gain much attention as a de-extinct animal as <a href="/wiki/Pyrenean_ibex" title="Pyrenean ibex">bucardo</a> or soon to be de-extinct such as the <a href="/wiki/Revival_of_the_woolly_mammoth" title="Revival of the woolly mammoth">woolly mammoth</a> or <a href="/wiki/Thylacine" title="Thylacine">thylacine</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Edelgardvonhresvelg" title="User:Edelgardvonhresvelg">Edelgardvonhresvelg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edelgardvonhresvelg" title="User talk:Edelgardvonhresvelg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Edelgardvonhresvelg-20241125024800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241125000400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Some wikiprojects have specific criteria for rating importance, such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DOGS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DOGS">WP:DOGS</a> on their Assessment page, but no such criteria seem to be established for WikiProject Extinction, other than major extinction events are "top" importance. I would rate the importance of the mentioned articles based on how much literature on the subject appears to exist at a glance, or as Just Step Sideways stated above, however important you believe them to be. If it ends up being controversial, then the resulting discussion can start to establish what each level of importance should be applied to. <a href="/wiki/User:Reconrabbit" title="User:Reconrabbit">Recon</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reconrabbit" title="User talk:Reconrabbit">rabbit</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Reconrabbit-20241125000500-Edelgardvonhresvelg-20241124234600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>How do I give the articles importance on the Wikiproject? I doubt that the articles would be controversial for mid to high imporance. <a href="/wiki/User:Edelgardvonhresvelg" title="User:Edelgardvonhresvelg">Edelgardvonhresvelg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edelgardvonhresvelg" title="User talk:Edelgardvonhresvelg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Edelgardvonhresvelg-20241125160400-Reconrabbit-20241125000500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <table class="wikitable" style="float:right; margin-left:15px"> <tbody><tr> <td>Need</td> <td>The article is of priority or importance, regardless of its quality </td></tr> <tr> <td class="import-top" style="text-align:center; color:inherit; background: #ff97ff;"><a href="/wiki/Category:Top-importance_articles" title="Category:Top-importance articles">Top</a></td> <td>Subject is a must-have for a print encyclopedia </td></tr> <tr> <td class="import-high" style="text-align:center; color:inherit; background: #ffacff;"><a href="/wiki/Category:High-importance_articles" title="Category:High-importance articles">High</a></td> <td>Subject contributes a depth of knowledge </td></tr> <tr> <td class="import-mid" style="text-align:center; color:inherit; background: #ffc1ff;"><a href="/wiki/Category:Mid-importance_articles" title="Category:Mid-importance articles">Mid</a></td> <td>Subject fills in more minor details </td></tr> <tr> <td class="import-low" style="text-align:center; color:inherit; background: #ffd6ff;"><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_articles" title="Category:Low-importance articles">Low</a></td> <td>Subject is mainly of specialist interest. </td></tr> <tr> <td class="import-bottom" style="color:inherit; background-color: #ffebff; text-align:center;"><a href="/wiki/Category:Bottom-importance_articles" title="Category:Bottom-importance articles">Bottom</a></td> <td>(Optional) Subject has no real significance to the project. </td></tr> <tr> <td align="center">No</td> <td>(Optional) Subject is a disambiguation or redirect page, residing in article space. </td></tr></tbody></table> I foiund this old thing, it's probably not binding on anyone but gives some idea of how it is supposed to work. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User talk:Just Step Sideways">from this world ..... today</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241125001000-How_is_an_articles_importance_in_a_Wikiproject_debated?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I will add that most readers or editors do not bother looking at the importance. So it is not worthwhile to get too stressed about the rating. For top or high importance, it may reault in the article being selected in a subset publication for some purpose. <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User talk:Graeme Bartlett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241125010100-Just_Step_Sideways-20241125001000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Unfortunately the table is of little help. What are the criteria for "must-have", "minor", etc? Importance could be defined in terms of number of accesses -- via which, of course, <a href="/wiki/Taylor_Swift" title="Taylor Swift">Taylor Swift</a> would be of vastly more importance than, say, <a href="/wiki/Universe" title="Universe">Universe</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241125010900-Graeme_Bartlett-20241125010100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(28)"><h2 id="Draft:Prince_and_Family" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft:Prince_and_Family-20241125094300">Draft:Prince and Family</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Draft:Prince and Family" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-28 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-28"> Hi, Would you please approve this page <a href="/wiki/Draft:Prince_and_Family" title="Draft:Prince and Family">Draft:Prince and Family</a>. Prince and Family is upcoming malayalam film. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:FrancisMathew2255" title="User:FrancisMathew2255">FrancisMathew2255</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FrancisMathew2255" title="User talk:FrancisMathew2255">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FrancisMathew2255-20241125094300-Draft:Prince_and_Family" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:FrancisMathew2255" title="User:FrancisMathew2255">FrancisMathew2255</a> the draft is currently pending review. Please be patient, as there are hundreds of other drafts in the queue. '''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]''' (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241125095600-FrancisMathew2255-20241125094300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sure.</dd> <dd>Thank you for your response. <a href="/wiki/User:FrancisMathew2255" title="User:FrancisMathew2255">FrancisMathew2255</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FrancisMathew2255" title="User talk:FrancisMathew2255">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FrancisMathew2255-20241125100100-CanonNi-20241125095600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(29)"><h2 id="Help_with_page_publication" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_with_page_publication-20241125104400">Help with page publication</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Help with page publication" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-29 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-29"> Hello, Can someone please help me with the following page which was declined twice? Italian Dopolavoro Ferroviario (DLF) <a href="/wiki/Draft:Italian_Dopolavoro_Ferroviario" title="Draft:Italian Dopolavoro Ferroviario">Draft:Italian Dopolavoro Ferroviario</a> Thank you, Simone <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Smnczz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Smnczz (page does not exist)">Smnczz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smnczz" title="User talk:Smnczz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Smnczz-20241125104400-Help_with_page_publication" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Smnczz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Smnczz (page does not exist)">Smnczz</a>, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read the links in the decline notice. In summary: your citations are not properly formatted (bare URL's) which makes them hard to evaluate (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REFB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REFB">WP:REFB</a>). But "Gazzetta Officiale" is almost certainly a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Primary_source" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Primary source">primary source</a>, and does not contribute to establishing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>. You need most of your citations to meet the triple criteria in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">WP:42</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241125112500-Smnczz-20241125104400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(30)"><h2 id="Can_Chatgpt/similar_GPT_be_fused_with_Wikipedia?_Will_help_in_solving_instant_doubts" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can_Chatgpt/similar_GPT_be_fused_with_Wikipedia?_Will_help_in_solving_instant_do-20241125105000">Can Chatgpt/similar GPT be fused with Wikipedia? Will help in solving instant doubts</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Can Chatgpt/similar GPT be fused with Wikipedia? Will help in solving instant doubts" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-30 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-30"> I am an active user of Wikipedia and this question recently struck my mind. I wanted to convey this idea to Wikipedia community to bring up a creative update. Good work folk! Keep it up! <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/117.250.64.129" title="Special:Contributions/117.250.64.129">117.250.64.129</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:117.250.64.129" title="User talk:117.250.64.129">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-117.250.64.129-20241125105000-Can_Chatgpt/similar_GPT_be_fused_with_Wikipedia?_Will_help_in_solving_instant_do" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, IP user. Generally, no. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CHATGPT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CHATGPT">WP:CHATGPT</a> for more detail. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241125112600-117.250.64.129-20241125105000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>If the community was interested in having ChatGPT write Wikipedia, then the community would have likely already made bots that do so. We are interested in the sum of human knowledge, not the sum of what knowledge LLMs predict humans to possess. <a href="/wiki/User:CoffeeCrumbs" title="User:CoffeeCrumbs">CoffeeCrumbs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CoffeeCrumbs" title="User talk:CoffeeCrumbs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241125123900-117.250.64.129-20241125105000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Note that AI is notoriously unreliable. They make stuff up. See <a href="/wiki/Hallucination_(artificial_intelligence)" title="Hallucination (artificial intelligence)">Hallucination (artificial intelligence)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Shantavira" title="User:Shantavira">Shantavira</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shantavira" title="User talk:Shantavira">feed me</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shantavira-20241125144500-117.250.64.129-20241125105000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I didn't understand your question exactly, but ChatGPT has entire Wikipedia (only mainspace) in its datasets. It also may have other sections/namespaces in its datasets. Gemini accesses Wikipedia in real-time. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241125165200-Shantavira-20241125144500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(31)"><h2 id="Academic_Notability" data-mw-thread-id="h-Academic_Notability-20241125111500">Academic Notability</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Academic Notability" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-31 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-31"> Before I (<a href="/wiki/User:RomanVilgut" title="User:RomanVilgut">User:RomanVilgut</a>) post my question, I would like to be transparent about my background. I am a communications officer at the University of Graz, the second largest university in Austria with over 400 years of academic history (~28,000 students, ~3,200 academic staff including teaching). My role is not primarily editorial, it is not my main job to edit Wikipedia. However, now that I have a user, I have been asked several times to help with Wikipedia. I have therefore marked myself as a 'paid editor' in order to demonstrate my commitment to maintaining the highest standards of transparency within the Wiki community. One of our professors in the field of nano-robotics and nano-chemistry has requested my assistance in translating his Wikipedia page on the German Wikipedia (<a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonhard_Grill" class="extiw" title="de:Leonhard Grill">de:Leonhard Grill</a>) to the English Wikipedia. He is a full professor with an impressive publication record in top-tier scientific journals, including Nature and Science. He has also received numerous accolades, particularly the ERC Advanced Grant, the most prestigious grant in the European Union. Upon reviewing the notability criteria for the English Wikipedia (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)" title="Wikipedia:Notability (academics)">Wikipedia:Notability (academics)</a>), I came to the conclusion that Criteria 1 a, d, e and Criteria 5 a, b, c appeared to be met. I therefore proceeded to create the page on the English Wikipedia <a href="/wiki/Leonhard_Grill" title="Leonhard Grill">Leonhard Grill</a>. Some days later, a user added a maintenance template to the page, offering constructive feedback on the notability and citations. I added some important citations and initiated a dialogue with the user on the talk page, <a href="/wiki/Talk:Leonhard_Grill" title="Talk:Leonhard Grill">Talk:Leonhard Grill</a>. The user set the bar quite high in terms of notability and told me about his extensive experience in reviewing academic pages. I then asked which criteria he felt had not been met, and the response I received made me a little cautious. I then checked the user page, where I discovered that he had revealed his true identity (which I also did). I believe he is a researcher in nano-robotics, emeritus. It would seem that he is engaged in the same scientific field as Leonhard Grill. I am also somewhat sceptical because when I look at the pages of faculty members at his university, I notice that those very high standards he is using are not always met. I feel he may be applying different standards. However, I felt that users who are not familiar with me might perceive a potential conflict of interest on my part (which I personally do not see), and so I decided to step away from the discussion. I would therefore be grateful if the wider Wikipedia community could take a look at the page and the talk. I would be grateful for any support from experienced wiki users who might conclude that the notability is high enough. I would also appreciate any tips and tricks they could share, as well as guidance on which sources should be added. We already have plenty of sources, but I would prefer not to overwhelm the reference page. But if experienced wiki users conclude that the notability is not high enough, I will respect their decision and not challenge the deletion of the page. *Disclaimer: Since I am not a native english speaker, I used the DeepL Write to improve this text* <a href="/wiki/User:RomanVilgut" title="User:RomanVilgut">RomanVilgut</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RomanVilgut" title="User talk:RomanVilgut">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-RomanVilgut-20241125111500-Academic_Notability" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>What is lacking are references to what people have published about him. In English Wikipedia, describing his research, with references to his sci poblications, adds nothing to establishing Wikipedia-notability. OK to list minor awards, but again, not estabilshing notability. Delete the Weblinks section for same reason. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241125115700-RomanVilgut-20241125111500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you very much. So to conclude for me. It makes no sence to cite all his papers, that proof in what groups he worked? Cited should be works, that cite his work?</dd> <dd>What still puzzles me: How can a habilitation paper on the FU Berlin be no proof for habilitation (plus the fact, that he is a faculty member - I found the official journal of his appointment and cited it)? What other proof would be acceptable, a scan of the document? <a href="/wiki/User:RomanVilgut" title="User:RomanVilgut">RomanVilgut</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RomanVilgut" title="User talk:RomanVilgut">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-RomanVilgut-20241125124600-David_notMD-20241125115700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>2nd Question. For undergrad and Phd there is a "citation needed". Both Papers are avaiable as hard copy in the library of the university of Graz. Is the link to the entry in the library-catalogue accepted as citation? <a href="/wiki/User:RomanVilgut" title="User:RomanVilgut">RomanVilgut</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RomanVilgut" title="User talk:RomanVilgut">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-RomanVilgut-20241125125100-David_notMD-20241125115700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:RomanVilgut" title="User:RomanVilgut">RomanVilgut</a> Regarding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NACADEMIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NACADEMIC">notability</a>, we only require one of the listed criteria to be met. In my opinion, his award of the <a href="/wiki/Feynman_Prize_in_Nanotechnology" title="Feynman Prize in Nanotechnology">Feynman Prize in Nanotechnology</a> is sufficient to pass criterion #2. The article can cite self-published sources (e.g. your website) for non-controversial material: see the guidance at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ABOUTSELF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ABOUTSELF">WP:ABOUTSELF</a> and of course can give a limited account of Grill's research. However, the biography should mainly cover his background, education and personal life. The article should not aim to be a cv but can mention highly cited papers, for example. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241125125800-RomanVilgut-20241125111500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>As it has been mentioned that the article will be, at least partly, be translated from an article on DE-Wikipedia, <a href="/wiki/Help:Translation" title="Help:Translation">Help:Translation</a> might be of some interest...attribution etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Lectonar" title="User:Lectonar">Lectonar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lectonar" title="User talk:Lectonar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Lectonar-20241125130200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241125125800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Per comment from Mike Turnbull, common to have a section titled Selected works, to include perhaps 5-7 publications. For academics, the university they work at often has a biographical sketch for faculty members, with information such as education; that would serve as a citation. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241125170900-Lectonar-20241125130200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>I will look in the Translation-Help and try to make a selected works - section. As of citation I can use this <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://nano-lab.uni-graz.at/en/about-us/leonhard-grill/">Leonhard Grill, Professor an der Universität Graz - nano-lab.uni-graz.at</a> - and as mentioned, we have his graduation-papers in our library-catalogue (in hardcopy, as it was customary in the 1990ies) <a href="/wiki/User:RomanVilgut" title="User:RomanVilgut">RomanVilgut</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RomanVilgut" title="User talk:RomanVilgut">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-RomanVilgut-20241126075300-Lectonar-20241125130200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Tank you! We never planned a cv, just a short biography with background <a href="/wiki/User:RomanVilgut" title="User:RomanVilgut">RomanVilgut</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RomanVilgut" title="User talk:RomanVilgut">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-RomanVilgut-20241126075100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241125125800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(32)"><h2 id="Reliable_sources_for_a_topic_in_software_development" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reliable_sources_for_a_topic_in_software_development-20241125140700">Reliable sources for a topic in software development</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Reliable sources for a topic in software development" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-32 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-32"> It's extremely hard if not impossible to find any source other than primary sources or a topic in software development. So I added a few sources that are not "reliable" just to satisfy secondary sources rule. What exactly counts as a reliable source and is it possible to make a secondary source rule exception for topics are related to software development since an unbiased view is less of concern due to rational nature of software development compared to things like politics and past events. Here is my draft <a href="/wiki/Draft:Kestrel_Web_Server" title="Draft:Kestrel Web Server">Draft:Kestrel Web Server</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.190.51.205" title="Special:Contributions/78.190.51.205">78.190.51.205</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:78.190.51.205" title="User talk:78.190.51.205">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-78.190.51.205-20241125140700-Reliable_sources_for_a_topic_in_software_development" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia isn't a place to just tell about something- it's a place to summarize what independent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about something, showing how it meets the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">special Wikipedia definition of notability</a>. If a topic isn't written about by independent reliable sources, it can't be on Wikipedia. There are other websites with less stringent requirements where people can just tell about something.</dd> <dd>You can certainly work to obtain <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONSENSUS">consensus</a> for a carve-out in policy for software development, but it would be a long, difficult process- and I don't think it would work, as it would lead to every topic seeking a carve-out, rendering policies meaningless. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241125142700-78.190.51.205-20241125140700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>But this policy has been created to reduce amount of bias right?</dd> <dd>While I do agree, I think software development should get a exception due to sometimes only source being the project itself.</dd> <dd>And when I try to seek for "secondary" sources they are not reliable, would a random blog post be reliable? I bet It's not. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.190.51.205" title="Special:Contributions/78.190.51.205">78.190.51.205</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:78.190.51.205" title="User talk:78.190.51.205">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-78.190.51.205-20241125145200-331dot-20241125142700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>No. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GOLDENRULE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GOLDENRULE">Wikipedia:GOLDENRULE</a> is fundamental to how (and why) Wikipedia works. <a href="/wiki/User:Shantavira" title="User:Shantavira">Shantavira</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shantavira" title="User talk:Shantavira">feed me</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shantavira-20241125145600-78.190.51.205-20241125145200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(33)"><h2 id="How_to_add_the_cookies/brownies/tea/cofee/others" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_to_add_the_cookies/brownies/tea/cofee/others-20241125151800">How to add the cookies/brownies/tea/cofee/others</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: How to add the cookies/brownies/tea/cofee/others" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-33 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-33"> Hi all, I remember seeing the proper syntax and usage for all of the mentioned items above, but sometimes struggle remembering things. I would greatly appreciate any help! 15:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC) <a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Elaine_Burke" title="User:Luke Elaine Burke">Luke Elaine Burke</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Luke_Elaine_Burke" title="User talk:Luke Elaine Burke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241125151800-How_to_add_the_cookies/brownies/tea/cofee/others" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Elaine_Burke" title="User:Luke Elaine Burke">Luke Elaine Burke</a> Welcome to the Teahouse. These things are most easily added via templates. Take a look at {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cookies" title="Template:Cookies">Cookies</a>}} and you can probably guess the others. They are all in <a href="/wiki/Category:Food_WikiLove_templates" title="Category:Food WikiLove templates">Category:Food WikiLove templates</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241125152100-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241125151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:21, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you Micheal, have a great day!</dd> <dd>15:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC) <a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Elaine_Burke" title="User:Luke Elaine Burke">Luke Elaine Burke</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Luke_Elaine_Burke" title="User talk:Luke Elaine Burke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241125153100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241125152100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Elaine_Burke" title="User:Luke Elaine Burke">Luke Elaine Burke</a>:Welcome to the teahouse. These are WikiLoves, and can be seen with a symbol of a heart on user talk pages (might change depending on your theme set). Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7">Cooldudeseven7</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7">join in on the tea talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241125154300-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241125151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you, your photography is incredible!</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Elaine_Burke" title="User:Luke Elaine Burke">Luke Elaine Burke</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Luke_Elaine_Burke" title="User talk:Luke Elaine Burke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Luke_Elaine_Burke-20241125154500-Cooldudeseven7-20241125154300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(34)"><h2 id="What_are_user_talk_pages_really_for?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_are_user_talk_pages_really_for?-20241125152800">What are user talk pages really for?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: What are user talk pages really for?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-34 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-34"> I know what article talk pages are for, but what about user talk pages? So far, mine only has trout notifications and some notifications from a bot who harasses me every time one of my Teahouse threads gets archived. I had one person stop by and leave a message about an article I was working on at the time as well. Are user talk pages specifically for Wikipedia-related things or can I use mine for more general conversations and small talk with anyone who stops by? I ask because I saw someone else's talk page and they were talking with someone about their favorite character from a book series like it was a normal forum thread. <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">Roar at me</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing">My contributions</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241125152800-What_are_user_talk_pages_really_for?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a>: User talk pages are normally for delivering messages such as {{Tb}}, or even WikiLoves. They are used as a form of communication, such as alerts from AfC, etc. They can be used for notifications of a revert, warnings, etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7">Cooldudeseven7</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7">join in on the tea talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241125153800-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241125152800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a>: user talk pages are for communication between editors regarding Wikipedia. The communication should generally take place on article's talk page, or concerned/relevant wikiproject, or venue where it can be seen by a larger group of people who might be interested in that discussion/situation. User talk pages are mostly used for notifications, and one-on-one communication. Also, I'm not sure if you know the exact meaning of "harassment". If you want to stop the bot, there are clear instructions in the message itself. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241125164600-Cooldudeseven7-20241125153800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Not for chat, forum threads, jokes, etc. And with a few exceptions, you can archive or delete what you have been sent. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241125171300-Usernamekiran-20241125164600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(35)"><h2 id="Editor_change?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Editor_change?-20241125162200">Editor change?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Editor change?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-35 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-35"> I was trying to work on an article the other day when I noticed a difference in how I edited. Previously, I had the visual editor, but instead I now was editing the source of the page itself. I'm pretty limited in my ability with the source code, and is there anyways to revert back to the visual editor? Did I accidentally change something in my settings? <a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therguy10" title="User talk:Therguy10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therguy10-20241125162200-Editor_change?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> When you're in the source editor, there's a little pen button on the right, if you click on that, you can select the visual editor. You can also change the URL directly by changing "&action=edit" to "&veaction=edit". I hope this helps! <a href="/wiki/User:Myrealnamm-alt" title="User:Myrealnamm-alt">Myrealnamm's Alternate Account</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Myrealnamm-alt" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Myrealnamm-alt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Myrealnamm-alt-20241125165600-Therguy10-20241125162200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Hi. If you are on a talk page, VisualEditor does not work. If you are editing an article, just go to the dropdown menu as listed here</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/File:VisualEditor_edit_tab-en.png" class="mw-file-description" title="VisualEditor edit tab-en"><noscript><img alt="VisualEditor edit tab-en" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/VisualEditor_edit_tab-en.png/300px-VisualEditor_edit_tab-en.png" decoding="async" width="300" height="131" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="854" data-file-height="372"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 300px;height: 131px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/VisualEditor_edit_tab-en.png/300px-VisualEditor_edit_tab-en.png" data-alt="VisualEditor edit tab-en" data-width="300" data-height="131" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/VisualEditor_edit_tab-en.png/450px-VisualEditor_edit_tab-en.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/VisualEditor_edit_tab-en.png/600px-VisualEditor_edit_tab-en.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </a></dd> <dd><div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>I hope this helps. <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7">Cooldudeseven7</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7">join in on the tea talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241125165700-Therguy10-20241125162200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Myrealnamm-alt" title="User:Myrealnamm-alt">Myrealnamm-alt</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7">Cooldudeseven7</a> Thank you! That's exactly what I needed and I really appreciate it! <a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therguy10" title="User talk:Therguy10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therguy10-20241125165900-Therguy10-20241125162200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>No problem! I hope you enjoy Wikipedia! <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7">Cooldudeseven7</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7">join in on the tea talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241125170000-Therguy10-20241125165900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(36)"><h2 id="I_translated_information_from_a_different_language_to_an_article,_but_the_original_information_is_uncited_-_is_this_okay?" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_translated_information_from_a_different_language_to_an_article,_but_the_origin-20241125182000">I translated information from a different language to an article, but the original information is uncited - is this okay?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: I translated information from a different language to an article, but the original information is uncited - is this okay?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-36 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-36"> I translated the information from <a class="external free" href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_Institute">https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_Institute</a> to add to <a href="/wiki/The_Interactive_Institute" class="mw-redirect" title="The Interactive Institute">The Interactive Institute</a>, as the English article is of low quality. The original article has no citations (well it has one, but it is not related to what I copied). Is this acceptable? If anyone wants to add citations to the article, I put some possible places citations could be found on the article's talk page. Thanks, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:The_Neco-Arc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:The Neco-Arc (page does not exist)">The Neco-Arc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Neco-Arc" title="User talk:The Neco-Arc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-The_Neco-Arc-20241125182000-I_translated_information_from_a_different_language_to_an_article,_but_the_origin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You more than doubled the length of the English article without adding any references. I do not see why the article should not be nominated for deletion. Are there no refs in the Swedish version that would help verify the English version? <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241125184500-The_Neco-Arc-20241125182000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, there are no references in the Swedish version that would help verify the English version. The Swedish page only has a reference for a different statement I did not translate. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:The_Neco-Arc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:The Neco-Arc (page does not exist)">The Neco-Arc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Neco-Arc" title="User talk:The Neco-Arc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-The_Neco-Arc-20241126050600-David_notMD-20241125184500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:The_Neco-Arc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:The Neco-Arc (page does not exist)">The Neco-Arc</a>: Thanks for trying to improve the article, but I think it needs sources more than anything else. Wikipedia articles need to be based on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> that are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IS">independent</a> of the article's subject. You <a href="/wiki/Talk:The_Interactive_Institute#Lack_of_references" title="Talk:The Interactive Institute">suggested</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://monoskop.org/Interactive_Institute">https://monoskop.org/Interactive_Institute</a>, but that is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UGC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UGC">user-generated</a> wiki (i.e. unreliable), and the links there are all associated with the Interactive Institute (i.e. not independent). If there are no independent reliable sources that cover the Interactive Institute, the article will be deleted, so expanding it is like <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rearranging_the_deckchairs_on_the_Titanic" class="extiw" title="wikt:rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic">rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic</a>. Also, while this is a moot point if the article is deleted, this paragraph <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1259532546" title="Special:Diff/1259532546">you added</a> has a very <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTPROMO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTPROMO">promotional tone</a>: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style><blockquote class="talkquote">The institute creates results by combining art, design and technology. By exploring and integrating these three areas, the institute strives to achieve innovative results that not only develop and question interaction and communication between people and their environment, but also challenge traditional perspectives and ways of thinking.</blockquote> Articles are improved by using a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">neutral tone</a> and sticking to encyclopedic, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verifiable</a> facts. <a href="/wiki/User:Jlwoodwa" title="User:Jlwoodwa">jlwoodwa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jlwoodwa" title="User talk:Jlwoodwa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jlwoodwa-20241125185200-The_Neco-Arc-20241125182000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Each Wikipedia language has its own standards for neutral-point-of-view content and references, so even if what you added was a translation from the Swedish Wikipedia, the wording (and lack of independent references) cannot exist in English. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241125200900-Jlwoodwa-20241125185200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>True, it has a promotional tone. I did not know that that website is a user-generated wiki, and I cannot find any information about it other than that page, other than its website (through wayback machine, as the original website has been merged into another) and a page about a project by the institute, with little information on the institute other than some pictures of its project. As I cannot find any reliable sources on this institute itself, but it is part of RISE, I will redirect it to <a href="/wiki/Research_Institutes_of_Sweden" title="Research Institutes of Sweden">Research Institutes of Sweden</a>. Thanks, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:The_Neco-Arc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:The Neco-Arc (page does not exist)">The Neco-Arc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Neco-Arc" title="User talk:The Neco-Arc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-The_Neco-Arc-20241126051000-Jlwoodwa-20241125185200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:10, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(37)"><h2 id="Bookmarking_oft-visited_WP_sites_possible?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bookmarking_oft-visited_WP_sites_possible?-20241125192300">Bookmarking oft-visited WP sites possible?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: Bookmarking oft-visited WP sites possible?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-37 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-37"> I now have a lot of sites I want to visit on occasion, such as my mentor's Talk page, some of the policy and guidance information like conflict of interest, and how to add images. Does Wikipedia have a Bookmark feature, as do Chrome, Safari, and other browsers? <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Augnablik-20241125192300-Bookmarking_oft-visited_WP_sites_possible?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> To a point, yes, you can add them to your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:W" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:W">watchlist</a>.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>As for stuff that's unlikely to be updated but that you want to keep track of, I, as an Opera GX user, tend to simply have the tabs open in one of my workspaces so I don't have to go rummaging through my regular browser bookmarks. <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo">CommissarDoggo</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo">Talk?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20241125192500-Augnablik-20241125192300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Hello, @<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a>. Another possibility is to add a list of links to your favourite pages on your user page (or a user subpage). <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241125193400-Augnablik-20241125192300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo">CommissarDoggo</a> and @<a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a>, thank you both for your ideas. I think Colin’s suggestion comes a little closer to what I was thinking of, but I should mention that after I posted this question here in the Teahouse, I thought to ask my mentor if perhaps there was a way to make a request of the tekkies to create a feature.</dd> <dd>In his reply, he mentioned the Wishlist. I’ll probably try that, though I know there’s no guarantee of a Wiki Bookmark feature ever being created — and of course that will take awhile. So I’ll try out all 3 of your suggestions, starting by trying to set up a User sub-page first. <a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Augnablik-20241126174500-ColinFine-20241125193400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" title="User:Augnablik">Augnablik</a>: Hi. In case your watchlist gets very large, <a href="/wiki/User:MusikAnimal/customWatchlists" title="User:MusikAnimal/customWatchlists">User:MusikAnimal/customWatchlists</a> is a good option. I use it, as well as as subpage method. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241126191800-Augnablik-20241126174500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(38)"><h2 id="I_want_to_upload_a_photo" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_want_to_upload_a_photo-20241125204700">I want to upload a photo</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: I want to upload a photo" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-38 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-38"> I found an image that is crucial for illustrating early COVID-19 cases in Wuhan, which is directly relevant to an article on Wikipedia about the origins of the pandemic. What is the rationale that it's legal to upload this image under a fair use claim? The image is copyrighted, but I believe it falls under fair use for educational purposes. Does this justify uploading it? How can I ensure that I meet the requirements for fair use on Wikipedia, and are there any additional considerations or guidelines I should be aware of? The image is located at the following webpage: Worobey, M. (2021). Dissecting the early COVID-19 cases in Wuhan: Elucidating the origin of the pandemic requires understanding of the Wuhan outbreak. Science, 374(6572), 1202–1204. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://doi.org/10.1126/science.abm4454">https://doi.org/10.1126/science.abm4454</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Lardlegwarmers" title="User:Lardlegwarmers">Lardlegwarmers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lardlegwarmers" title="User talk:Lardlegwarmers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Lardlegwarmers-20241125204700-I_want_to_upload_a_photo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Lardlegwarmers" title="User:Lardlegwarmers">Lardlegwarmers</a>. There's information on this in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content" title="Wikipedia:Non-free content">Wikipedia:Non-free content</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria" title="Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria">Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria</a>; however, please understand that <a href="/wiki/Fair_use" title="Fair use">fair use</a> and non-free content use aren't exactly the same thing when it comes to Wikipedia, and Wikipedia's non-free content use policy <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NFC#Background" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NFC">has been intentionally set up to be more restrictive than fair use</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20241125212400-Lardlegwarmers-20241125204700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>If you're asking about <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.science.org/cms/10.1126/science.abm4454/asset/a71068b5-36dc-4cf5-b1ff-5896a3f0ffb0/assets/graphic/science.abm4454-f1.svg">this map</a>, then I think you're going to have are time justifying it's non-free use per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FREER" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FREER">WP:FREER</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NFC#CS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NFC">WP:NFC#CS</a>. The map of China itself is almost certainly not eligible for copyright protection per <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:CB#Maps_and_satellite_imagery" class="extiw" title="c:COM:CB">c:COM:CB#Maps and satellite imagery</a> because outlines of countries and place names are elements typically considered eligible for copyright protection; so, someone could essentially create their own map if they want. It's the way the data the map's based on is expressed visually that might be eligible for copyright protection, but the same information doesn't necessarily need to be expressed using this particular map or any map at all for Wikipedia's purposes; it could be expressed as plain text, in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Table" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Table">Wikipedia:Table</a> or in some other form. If this map itself, however, was the subject of sourced critical commentary in reliable sources (either because others thought it to be accurate or perhaps thought it to be inaccurate), then that might be a way to justify its non-free use, but just wanting to show it as a map because it's a map is probably not going to be enough. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20241126005800-Marchjuly-20241125212400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(39)"><h2 id="Reverting_on_mobile" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reverting_on_mobile-20241125225600">Reverting on mobile</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Reverting on mobile" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-39 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-39"> How do I revert an article to a previous edit on mobile, as well as undo an edit? I am on an iPhone. <a href="/wiki/User:AlexTheWikipedian" title="User:AlexTheWikipedian">AlexTheWikipedian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AlexTheWikipedian" title="User talk:AlexTheWikipedian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AlexTheWikipedian-20241125225600-Reverting_on_mobile" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:AlexTheWikipedian" title="User:AlexTheWikipedian">AlexTheWikipedian</a>. I believe if you scroll all the way down to the bottom of a Wikipedia page while using the mobile Wikipedia site, I'm pretty sure you're given the option to view the page in "Desktop mode". If you click this, you should see the page as you would see it using the regular Wikipedia set up, and be able to edit just like you would edit any Wikipedia. Be aware, though, that your mobie service provider might be using an IP proxy that is blocked from making edits per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Open_proxies" title="Wikipedia:Open proxies">Wikipedia:Open proxies</a>; you can view pages fine, but you just can't edit them. So, if you go to desktop mode and still can't edit because the IP address your account is using has been blocked, there might not be much you can do except try <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IP_block_exemption" title="Wikipedia:IP block exemption">Wikipedia:IP block exemption</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20241126010600-AlexTheWikipedian-20241125225600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:AlexTheWikipedian" title="User:AlexTheWikipedian">AlexTheWikipedian</a>: I've never used iphone, but given their reputation, I think first you would need to upgrade, or buy some accessory. I'll post a serious answer in a few hours. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241127030200-Marchjuly-20241126010600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(40)"><h2 id="U.S._govt_sources_not_credible_for_bio_of_U.S._diplomat?" data-mw-thread-id="h-U.S._govt_sources_not_credible_for_bio_of_U.S._diplomat?-20241125235600">U.S. govt sources not credible for bio of U.S. diplomat?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: U.S. govt sources not credible for bio of U.S. diplomat?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-40 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-40"> Hi folks, I’ve been working on a bio page for a prominent international official, <a href="/wiki/Draft:Mary_Beth_Goodman" title="Draft:Mary Beth Goodman">draft here</a>. The sources myself and other drafters have cited to document her career history are mostly from the U.S. government (the White House, the Congress, the Department of State) or from auxiliary roles she held in international bodies as a diplomat. Existing wiki bio pages for U.S. officials who have held the same position(s) or even more junior ones use the same types of sources. I’ve linked to examples of those bio pages in the draft’s talk page. However, I’m stuck. Several editors have rejected the draft bio because the sources aren’t sufficiently independent or credible, and they’ve suggested newspapers as alternative sources. Unfortunately news coverage of most diplomats’ careers doesn’t exist, so beyond what’s included in the media section of her page, I haven’t found sources such as the type they have recommended. How do I reconcile the reality of the sourcing (which has seemed legitimate enough to substantiate other bio pages) with the recommendations from editors? I’d appreciate advice re: what makes the existing sources in the draft not credible, and overall, what kinds of additional sources are needed to verify a living person’s bio when the majority of their career is documented by government and government-adjacent sources. Thanks in advance for the guidance. 🙏🙏 This is my first attempt at major drafting and it seems this is a bigger project than I had intended. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Lfdigests&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Lfdigests (page does not exist)">Lfdigests</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lfdigests" title="User talk:Lfdigests">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Lfdigests-20241125235600-U.S._govt_sources_not_credible_for_bio_of_U.S._diplomat?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You need more articles from reliable sources to confirm notability. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTABILITY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTABILITY">WP: NOTABILITY</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241126000300-Lfdigests-20241125235600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Lfdigests&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Lfdigests (page does not exist)">Lfdigests</a>, I'm going to leave a message for one of the reviewers on the Talk page for your draft. I'm not going to have a lot of time during the next week, but will try to check back. I would think that she should be presumed notable by virtue of her high position in the OECD, though I could be wrong about that (and I'll ask about that on the Talk page). I don't have time to dig in on the references, etc., but I suggest that you look through the "Publications, remarks, and media" section (which you'll need to trim) and see if some of those confirm her notability (per WP's definition of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>), in which case you can use them as references. For example, I would think that the 4 minute NPR interview with her about the US's global COVID response is that sort of reference (the interview isn't about her, but she's seen as an expert, and NPR is an independent reliable source). Edited to add: As I think about this more, I'm less certain that that helps establish her notability, since it's not significant coverage of her, only significant coverage of the US international COVID response; I've asked SafariScribe about that on the Draft Talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:FactOrOpinion" title="User:FactOrOpinion">FactOrOpinion</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FactOrOpinion" title="User talk:FactOrOpinion">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FactOrOpinion-20241126023800-Lfdigests-20241125235600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(41)"><h2 id="Automatic_search_for_red_links" data-mw-thread-id="h-Automatic_search_for_red_links-20241125235900">Automatic search for red links</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: Automatic search for red links" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-41 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-41"> Hello ! Anybody can say me if there are a way for an automatic search for red links ? When I see an article with red links. If there are articles about the topic available in another language than English. I create an interlanguage link. I'm unable to translate into English because I'm not a native speaker of this language and my translations could be too literal. I can translate from English into French but not the reverse. Therefore , create an interlanguage link is a good beginning but I don't know if we can search these links with internal search engine of Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anatole-berthe" title="User talk:Anatole-berthe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anatole-berthe-20241125235900-Automatic_search_for_red_links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You might ask any MediaWiki dev about your idea. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241126000100-Anatole-berthe-20241125235900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks for your answer ! </dd> <dd>I don't know where to find a developper.</dd> <dd>I don't ever known where can I look to find one of them.</dd> <dd>Can you help me ? <a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anatole-berthe" title="User talk:Anatole-berthe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anatole-berthe-20241126001000-Ahri_Boy-20241126000100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:10, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>See <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk" class="extiw" title="mw:Project:Support desk">mw:Project:Support desk</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241126004500-Anatole-berthe-20241126001000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks you ! <a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anatole-berthe" title="User talk:Anatole-berthe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anatole-berthe-20241126022300-Ahri_Boy-20241126004500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:23, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a>: You could try this in <a href="/wiki/Special:MyPage/common.js" title="Special:MyPage/common.js">your common JavaScript</a> to search Wikidata for the page name you are on, also if it's a red link:</dd> <dd><div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-javascript mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre>mw.loader.using(['mediawiki.util'], function () { mw.util.addPortletLink( 'p-tb', '//www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=' + encodeURIComponent( mw.config.get('wgPageName') ), 'Wikidata search', 't-wikidatasearch', 'Search the page name in Wikidata', null, '#t-wikibase' ); }); </pre></div></dd> <dd>It may not find other spellings and scripts. On <a href="/w/index.php?title=Igor_Artemov&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Igor Artemov (page does not exist)">Igor Artemov</a> it gives <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Igor_Artemov">Wikidata search</a> which finds <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityPage/Q4070423" class="extiw" title="d:Special:EntityPage/Q4070423">Igor Artemov (Q4070423)</a>. On <a href="/w/index.php?title=Alexander_Saliy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Alexander Saliy (page does not exist)">Alexander Saliy</a> it gives <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Alexander_Saliy">Wikidata search</a> which doesn't find <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityPage/Q16335510" class="extiw" title="d:Special:EntityPage/Q16335510">Aleksandr Salij (Q16335510)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PrimeHunter-20241126022400-Anatole-berthe-20241126022300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>If I understood rightly. I create a page in my user's subpage "Anatole-berthe/common.js".</dd> <dd> </dd> <dd>Then , I can create a subpage inside "Anatole-berthe/common.js"" and for example I name it "Finders".</dd> <dd> </dd> <dd>In "Anatole-berthe/common.js/Finders" I can create a subpage named "redlinkfinder.js".</dd> <dd> </dd> <dd>When I'll go to "Anatole-berthe/common.js/ScriptsJS/redlinkfinder.js". I'll be able to use the script if I copy and paste the code there.</dd> <dd> </dd> <dd>I'm not certain to understand if the script can be in the subpage of a subpage.</dd> <dd>I prefer to organise my "Anatole-berthe/common.js". with subpages for a better organisation.</dd> <dd> </dd> <dd>I say you thanks because even if this script have the limits you exposed. It's better than nothing. <a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anatole-berthe" title="User talk:Anatole-berthe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anatole-berthe-20241126024900-Ahri_Boy-20241126004500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Anatole-berthe" title="User:Anatole-berthe">Anatole-berthe</a>: I have made it a user script with installation instructions: <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter/Wikidata_search.js" title="User:PrimeHunter/Wikidata search.js">User:PrimeHunter/Wikidata search.js</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PrimeHunter-20241126140400-Anatole-berthe-20241126024900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(42)"><h2 id="Combine_Blank_Page_with_Draft_Page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Combine_Blank_Page_with_Draft_Page-20241126021800">Combine Blank Page with Draft Page</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: Combine Blank Page with Draft Page" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-42 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-42"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1244412712">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{padding-left:1.6em}}</style><blockquote class="templatequote">Hi, and thank you for <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Teahouse" title="Special:Contributions/Teahouse">your contributions</a> to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give <a href="/wiki/Draft:Senran_Kagura_Burst_Re:Newal" title="Draft:Senran Kagura Burst Re:Newal">Draft:Senran Kagura Burst Re:Newal</a> a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into <a href="/wiki/Senran_Kagura_Burst_Re:Newal" class="mw-redirect" title="Senran Kagura Burst Re:Newal">Senran Kagura Burst Re:Newal</a>. This is known as a "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:History_merging" title="Wikipedia:History merging">cut-and-paste move</a>", and it is undesirable because it splits the <a href="/wiki/Help:Page_history" title="Help:Page history">page history</a>, which is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copying_within_Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia">legally required for attribution</a>. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history. In most cases for registered users, once your account is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:User_access_levels#Autoconfirmed_and_confirmed_users" title="Wikipedia:User access levels">four days old and has ten edits</a>, you should be able to move an article yourself using the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Moving_a_page" title="Wikipedia:Moving a page">"Move" tab</a> at the top of the page (the tab may be <a href="/wiki/File:Vector_hidden_move_button.png" title="File:Vector hidden move button.png">hidden in a dropdown menu</a> for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirect" title="Wikipedia:Redirect">redirect</a> from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">requested moves</a> to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_history_merge" title="Wikipedia:Requests for history merge">Wikipedia:Requests for history merge</a>. Thank you.</blockquote> -- <a href="/wiki/User:KaabiiRamen" title="User:KaabiiRamen">KaabiiRamen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KaabiiRamen" title="User talk:KaabiiRamen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-KaabiiRamen-20241126021800-Combine_Blank_Page_with_Draft_Page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:KaabiiRamen" title="User:KaabiiRamen">KaabiiRamen</a>. Do you have a question about how to use <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-c%26pmove" title="Template:Uw-c&pmove">Template:uw-c&pmove</a>? Do you have a question as to why <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HISTMERGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HISTMERGE">copy and paste page moves</a> are generally not recommended? Do you have a question about <a href="/wiki/Draft:Senran_Kagura_Burst_Re:Newal" title="Draft:Senran Kagura Burst Re:Newal">Draft:Senran Kagura Burst Re:Newal</a> or <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Senran_Kagura_Burst_Re:Newal&redirect=no">Senran Kagura Burst Re:Newal</a>? It will be easier for others to try and help you if you can clarify why you started this discussion. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20241126023300-KaabiiRamen-20241126021800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello! I created the Draft page but then realized a page for it already existed that all it did was redirect. So i thought the best course of action would to move the draft data to the existing article. But it recommended tranferring which I can't do because the page already exists. So i was hoping to add the draft data to the existing article. <a href="/wiki/User:KaabiiRamen" title="User:KaabiiRamen">KaabiiRamen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KaabiiRamen" title="User talk:KaabiiRamen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-KaabiiRamen-20241126031200-Marchjuly-20241126023300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you for clarifying <a href="/wiki/User:KaabiiRamen" title="User:KaabiiRamen">KaabiiRamen</a>. Given that the draft you want to move has already been declined once by an AfC reviewer, it's probably not a good idea for you to try to do so yourself even though it might be technically possible for you to do. Moving the page yourself at this point could lead to it being nominated for deletion if another user shares the AfC reviewer's concerns about the draft. If you're not sure what those concerns are or how to address them, you could ask the AfC reviewer who declined the draft for clarification, or you could ask for help at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFCHELP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFCHELP">WP:AFCHELP</a>. For what it's worth, there's no limit on the number of times a draft can be submitted for AfC review as long as the same declined version doesn't keep being resubmitted over and over again. Moreover, if an AfC reviewer approves the draft, they will take care of all the cleanup associated with moving the page. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20241126042900-KaabiiRamen-20241126031200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Hi again KaabiiRamen. Given the comment just added to the draft's page by <a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist">Anachronist</a>, I definitely don't recommend you try to move the draft to the mainspace, but instead try to look for better sources to help establish the subject's Wikipedia notability per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NSOFTWARE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NSOFTWARE">WP:NSOFTWARE</a>. Moving the draft to the mainspace yourself almost will certainly, at the very least, lead to it being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRAFTIFY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRAFTIFY">draftified</a> but could also lead to the article being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">nominated for deletion</a>. If you're having a hard time finding appropriate sources yourself, you could try asking for help at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:VG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:VG">WT:VG</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20241126052600-KaabiiRamen-20241126031200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(43)"><h2 id="Markus_Paterson" data-mw-thread-id="h-Markus_Paterson-20241126032900"><a href="/wiki/Markus_Paterson" title="Markus Paterson">Markus Paterson</a></h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=44" title="Edit section: Markus Paterson" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-43 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-43"> I noticed he is in digital romantic comedy series on YouTube and he has a small role maybe a guest role. I want to add this on his filmography but the only source i can find is the full episode on YouTube. What can I do if he officially appeared but there are no other sources regarding this. What can I do? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/122.55.235.127" title="Special:Contributions/122.55.235.127">122.55.235.127</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:122.55.235.127" title="User talk:122.55.235.127">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-122.55.235.127-20241126032900-Markus_Paterson" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>If the actual owner of the show published it on their own YouTube channel, then you could consider it an 'official' primary source and cite it. If it's just a video that some random youtuber uploaded, then you can't cite it. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist">Anachronist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anachronist" title="User talk:Anachronist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anachronist-20241126044200-122.55.235.127-20241126032900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>(<a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" title="Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a>) Hi IP 122.55.235.127. If there are no potential copyright violation issues per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YOUTUBE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YOUTUBE">WP:YOUTUBE</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COPYLINK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COPYLINK">WP:COPYLINK</a>, you can cite YouTube as the source. You can use a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CT">citation template</a> like <a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_serial" title="Template:Cite serial">Template:Cite serial</a> or <a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_episode" title="Template:Cite episode">Template:Cite episode</a> for that if you want and use the YouTube url for the <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|url=</code> parameter. If there's a problem linking to YouTube, you can still cite the series or episode itself without providing a link by just leaving the <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|url=</code> blank. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OFFLINE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OFFLINE">Wikipedia doesn't require sources cited be available online</a>, but it does require that they be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verifiable</a>, and offline sources are fine as long as you provide sufficient information about the source being cited. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20241126044400-122.55.235.127-20241126032900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(44)"><h2 id="Nomination_of_Malik_Jamroz_Khan_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nomination_of_Malik_Jamroz_Khan_for_deletion-20241126045800">Nomination of Malik Jamroz Khan for deletion</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: Nomination of Malik Jamroz Khan for deletion" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-44 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-44"> Good Morning I created this page regarding a know figure of our small area, who also happens to be my great grand father. The article contained only his bio and achievements made during his life time. It was created more than a decade ago. There was nothing controversial since it only had the bio of a known person with zero material objectionable to anybody. I know now been informed that the article has been ' nominated for deletion'. One wonders how can that be?? How can a non-controversial person, passed away in 1964, with few words written on his bio can be nominated for deletion???? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mujeebkanju1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mujeebkanju1 (page does not exist)">Mujeebkanju1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mujeebkanju1" title="User talk:Mujeebkanju1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Mujeebkanju1-20241126045800-Nomination_of_Malik_Jamroz_Khan_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Being controversial isn't why articles are nominated for deletion nor is being harmless a reason to keep an article. Articles are nominated for deletion when they don't meet our standards for notability. Many older articles fell through the cracks and nobody got around to nominating them for deletion; there are nearly seven million articles here. The editors who discussed it all concluded that it was complete missing reliable, independent sources about Khan and that no improvements had been made to remedy the situation for 15 years. Can you provide three good sources that are primarily about Khan and that are both reliable and independent? If so, you can always try and write a new, compliant article and submit it to Articles for Creation. <a href="/wiki/User:CoffeeCrumbs" title="User:CoffeeCrumbs">CoffeeCrumbs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CoffeeCrumbs" title="User talk:CoffeeCrumbs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241126050900-Mujeebkanju1-20241126045800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia, however, I think you may be operating under misperceptions of how our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">deletion policy</a> works. We <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED">do not</a> delete articles because they are "controversial." In your case, the article was deleted because it was found that Malik Jamroz Khan was not sufficiently <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPERSON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPERSON">notable</a> for inclusion in Wikipedia. For notability, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">there must be significant coverage of the subject in independent, reliable, secondary sources</a>, which was not the case for this article. <a href="/wiki/User:JJPMaster" title="User:JJPMaster">JJP</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JJPMaster" title="User talk:JJPMaster">Mas</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJPMaster" title="Special:Contributions/JJPMaster">ter</a> (<a href="/wiki/She_(pronoun)" title="She (pronoun)">she</a>/<a href="/wiki/Singular_they" title="Singular they">they</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-JJPMaster-20241126051000-Mujeebkanju1-20241126045800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:10, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(45)"><h2 id="Hi!_I_tried_to_nominate_the_article_for_deletion._Never_done_that,_not_sure_if_I_did_it_right." data-mw-thread-id="h-Hi!_I_tried_to_nominate_the_article_for_deletion._Never_done_that,_not_sure_if_I-20241126053000">Hi! I tried to nominate the article for deletion. Never done that, not sure if I did it right.</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: Hi! I tried to nominate the article for deletion. Never done that, not sure if I did it right." class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-45 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-45"> Hi! I tried to nominate the article. Google said to place the code, I tried. Let me know if that is the right way to do it. Thank you, guys. <a href="/wiki/Earmilk" title="Earmilk">Earmilk</a>. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/172.115.16.132" title="Special:Contributions/172.115.16.132">172.115.16.132</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:172.115.16.132" title="User talk:172.115.16.132">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-172.115.16.132-20241126053000-Hi!_I_tried_to_nominate_the_article_for_deletion._Never_done_that,_not_sure_if_I" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hi 172.115.16.132, you have to "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Subst" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Subst">subst</a>" the template, so it should start like this: {{subst:Proposed deletion <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User talk:Graeme Bartlett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241126053500-172.115.16.132-20241126053000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I did, but nothing changed. Can you take a look? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/172.115.16.132" title="Special:Contributions/172.115.16.132">172.115.16.132</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:172.115.16.132" title="User talk:172.115.16.132">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-172.115.16.132-20241126053700-Graeme_Bartlett-20241126053500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>An administrator named <a href="/wiki/User:Queen_of_Hearts" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Queen of Hearts">Queen of Hearts</a> fixed the template's syntax; however, there's a difference between <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROD">proposing an article for deletion</a> (what you did) and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">nominating an article for deletion</a>. Anyone may <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DEPROD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DEPROD">WP:DEPROD</a> the article (i.e. remove the proposed deletion template you added) for any reason or no reason at all; if that happens, don't re-add the template because an article can only be proposed for deletion once. If, at that point, you still feel the article should be deleted, you will need to start a regular AfD discussion and explain why. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20241126060600-172.115.16.132-20241126053700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Queen_of_Hearts" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Queen of Hearts">Queen of Hearts</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Queen_of_Hearts" title="User talk:Queen of Hearts">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Queen_of_Hearts" title="Special:Contributions/Queen of Hearts">contribs</a>) fixed the template, but I've contested the PROD for reasons given in my <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Earmilk&diff=prev&oldid=1259632598">edit summary</a>. '''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]''' (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241126060600-172.115.16.132-20241126053700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I apologize. I still cannot understand how it is done. I do not understand where to add this {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Afd" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Afd">subst:afd</a>|Weather in London}}, and how to create the discussion. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:382:1153:E2F8:C09A:943E:E69E:6064" title="Special:Contributions/2600:382:1153:E2F8:C09A:943E:E69E:6064">2600:382:1153:E2F8:C09A:943E:E69E:6064</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2600:382:1153:E2F8:C09A:943E:E69E:6064&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2600:382:1153:E2F8:C09A:943E:E69E:6064 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-2600:382:1153:E2F8:C09A:943E:E69E:6064-20241126070800-CanonNi-20241126060600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Looks like you <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Earmilk" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Earmilk">figured it out</a>? '''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]''' (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241126080300-2600:382:1153:E2F8:C09A:943E:E69E:6064-20241126070800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>yes, I am sorry for many repeated edits. I could not understand the instructions. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Moondust534&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Moondust534 (page does not exist)">Moondust534</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moondust534" title="User talk:Moondust534">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Moondust534-20241126080500-CanonNi-20241126080300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>No worries - those instructions are indeed a bit too complicated for beginners. '''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]''' (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241126080900-Moondust534-20241126080500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(46)"><h2 id="Arturo_Muñoz_(intelligence)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arturo_Muñoz_(intelligence)-20241126074900"><a href="/wiki/Arturo_Mu%C3%B1oz_(intelligence)" title="Arturo Muñoz (intelligence)">Arturo Muñoz (intelligence)</a></h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: Arturo Muñoz (intelligence)" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-46 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-46"> Can anyone support another editor with <a href="/wiki/Arturo_Mu%C3%B1oz_(intelligence)" title="Arturo Muñoz (intelligence)">Arturo Muñoz (intelligence)</a>? The subject of the article, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Arturo_Guillermo_Munoz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Arturo Guillermo Munoz (page does not exist)">Arturo Guillermo Munoz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arturo_Guillermo_Munoz" title="User talk:Arturo Guillermo Munoz">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Arturo_Guillermo_Munoz" title="Special:Contributions/Arturo Guillermo Munoz">contribs</a>), is not happy about the hyperbole in the article. There is also a lot of unsourced information. I started stripping it down but realised there wouldn't be a lot left, and his career is not something I'd have the expertise to find new references about. The user suggests that maybe there shouldn't be an article on him at all; I'm not able to judge notability in this topic area. Many thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Tacyarg" title="User:Tacyarg">Tacyarg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tacyarg" title="User talk:Tacyarg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tacyarg-20241126074900-Arturo_Mu%C3%B1oz_(intelligence)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tacyarg" title="User:Tacyarg">Tacyarg</a>: This seems to be in hand, but for future reference <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPN">WP:BLPN</a> is a page dedicated to such matters. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241126133900-Tacyarg-20241126074900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:39, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(47)"><h2 id="touch_n_go" data-mw-thread-id="h-touch_n_go-20241126095000">touch n go</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: touch n go" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-47 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-47"> i want mt statement but im already lost my account <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:D08:1420:7E23:90D1:BDA0:CFD8:F57E" title="Special:Contributions/2001:D08:1420:7E23:90D1:BDA0:CFD8:F57E">2001:D08:1420:7E23:90D1:BDA0:CFD8:F57E</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2001:D08:1420:7E23:90D1:BDA0:CFD8:F57E&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2001:D08:1420:7E23:90D1:BDA0:CFD8:F57E (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-2001:D08:1420:7E23:90D1:BDA0:CFD8:F57E-20241126095000-touch_n_go" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, it is unclear what question you are asking. Please rephrase? <a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne">qcne</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Qcne-20241126100200-2001:D08:1420:7E23:90D1:BDA0:CFD8:F57E-20241126095000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Welcome to the Teahouse. If this is about the Malaysian Touch 'n Go card, we cannot help you. —<a href="/wiki/User:Tenryuu" title="User:Tenryuu">Tenryuu 🐲</a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenryuu" title="User talk:Tenryuu">💬</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tenryuu" title="Special:Contributions/Tenryuu">📝</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tenryuu-20241126102700-2001:D08:1420:7E23:90D1:BDA0:CFD8:F57E-20241126095000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think the OP meant to say 'my' as the letters 'T' and 'Y' are next to each other and its not in uppercase. In that case, if you provided an email and have access to it, you should reset your password. Otherwise, you have no choice but to create a new account and (if you remember the username) remember to state somewhere that you were formerly edited under another username and to explain the situation, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMPSOCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMPSOCK">WP:COMPSOCK</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:JuniperChill" title="User:JuniperChill">JuniperChill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JuniperChill" title="User talk:JuniperChill">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-JuniperChill-20241126171700-Tenryuu-20241126102700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(48)"><h2 id="Validity_of_an_Wikipedia:Notability_§_Stand-alone_lists_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Validity_of_an_Wikipedia:Notability_§_Stand-alone_lists_article-20241126102700">Validity of an Wikipedia:Notability § Stand-alone lists article</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: Validity of an Wikipedia:Notability § Stand-alone lists article" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-48 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-48"> <s>I would like to consult your views regarding a discussion on <a href="https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedi:Silinmeye_aday_sayfalar/Ayd%C4%B1n%27daki_ilk%C3%B6%C4%9Fretim_okullar%C4%B1_listesi" class="extiw" title="tr:Vikipedi:Silinmeye aday sayfalar/Aydın'daki ilköğretim okulları listesi">Turkish Wikipedia</a> about an article deletion request. I am advocating for it to keep, while the other editor argues for its deletion. Although Wikipedia in one language does not directly bind another language, I need to ask this because the editor in favor deletion has referenced a rule from English Wikipedia.</s> To eliminate any confusion, I am crossing out the irrelevant parts. My question is related to the status of the article on English Wikipedia. I'm asking for your views about the article of <a href="/wiki/List_of_public_elementary_schools_in_New_York_City" title="List of public elementary schools in New York City">List of public elementary schools in New York City</a>. The other editor thinks that <a href="/wiki/List_of_public_elementary_schools_in_New_York_City" title="List of public elementary schools in New York City">List of public elementary schools in New York City</a>: <ul><li>the article should be deleted,</li> <li>or the listed schools should be removed, as they believe the list can only include entries with blue links. (Thinks that blue links indicates notability. However, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSC">WP:CSC</a> explicitly contradicts.)</li> <li>and cites <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lists#LISTTYPES" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists">Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lists#LISTTYPES</a> dynamic list section.</li></ul> I will explain the position I am advocating for based your views. For now, I would like to know in your opinion schools in NYC article complies with the rules in terms of its list feature and the schools it includes. <a href="/wiki/User:TarantaBabu" title="User:TarantaBabu">TarantaBabu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarantaBabu" title="User talk:TarantaBabu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TarantaBabu-20241126102700-Validity_of_an_Wikipedia:Notability_%C2%A7_Stand-alone_lists_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:TarantaBabu" title="User:TarantaBabu">TarantaBabu</a>: Welcome to the Teahouse. We can't provide feedback on the policies of other language Wikipedias, even if users decide to cite something from here. The most I can tell you to do is to be familiar with the Turkish Wikipedia's policies and base any argument you have on those. —<a href="/wiki/User:Tenryuu" title="User:Tenryuu">Tenryuu 🐲</a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenryuu" title="User talk:Tenryuu">💬</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tenryuu" title="Special:Contributions/Tenryuu">📝</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tenryuu-20241126102900-TarantaBabu-20241126102700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you but I'm not asking for feedbacks on the policies of Turkish Wikipedia. To be precise: <a href="/wiki/List_of_public_elementary_schools_in_New_York_City" title="List of public elementary schools in New York City">List of public elementary schools in New York City</a> in here whether it is legit article or not. The author thinks otherwise. <a href="/wiki/User:TarantaBabu" title="User:TarantaBabu">TarantaBabu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarantaBabu" title="User talk:TarantaBabu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TarantaBabu-20241126103200-Tenryuu-20241126102900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Just to clarify, are you asking whether we think the list is notable, because the Turkish version of is undergoinging a deletion discussion? If so, we can't help you with that - every wiki has their own policies and notability guidelines. '''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]''' (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241126104700-TarantaBabu-20241126103200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Of course but you can skip Turkish part, since I wanted elaborate context of the question. Based on English Wikipedia policies and notability guidelines, is the <a href="/wiki/List_of_public_elementary_schools_in_New_York_City" title="List of public elementary schools in New York City">list of public elementary schools in New York City</a> valid or not? It is the question of mine. <a href="/wiki/User:TarantaBabu" title="User:TarantaBabu">TarantaBabu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarantaBabu" title="User talk:TarantaBabu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TarantaBabu-20241126105500-CanonNi-20241126104700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NLIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NLIST">WP:NLIST</a>, yes, it's a valid list. '''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]''' (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241126110300-TarantaBabu-20241126105500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you for your view. I, also, think so. I am still up for other comments. <a href="/wiki/User:TarantaBabu" title="User:TarantaBabu">TarantaBabu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarantaBabu" title="User talk:TarantaBabu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TarantaBabu-20241126113900-CanonNi-20241126110300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:39, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(49)"><h2 id="Sourcing_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sourcing_question-20241126140800">Sourcing question</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: Sourcing question" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-49 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-49"> In the article for <a href="/wiki/Walmart" title="Walmart">Walmart</a>, I wrote a sentence in the History section about them ending their DEI program and delisting gender affirming products for minors. I originally cited an ABC News article, but I found an article from the Associated Press, which I believe is a more reliable source when it comes to current events. As of my edit, both sources are there to back up my sentence but I kind of want to get rid of the ABC citation since AP is a better source. Should I get rid of it and leave the AP citation, or leave it alone with two citations? Additionally, to avoid any confusion in the future, does Wikipedia have some sort of tierlist or something for sources that ranks how accurate and reliable they are? I know we have one for bias, but I am not sure about accuracy. <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">Roar at me</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing">My contributions</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126140800-Sourcing_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hi! If this is a problem, both sources, should be clear, as said by the reliability chart. I have placed some screenshots below to show you.</dd></dl> <a href="/wiki/File:ABC_news_reliability_list_1.png" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/ABC_news_reliability_list_1.png" decoding="async" width="833" height="65" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="833" data-file-height="65"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 833px;height: 65px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/ABC_news_reliability_list_1.png" data-width="833" data-height="65" data-class="mw-file-element"> </a> <a href="/wiki/File:AP_News_reliability_result_1.png" class="mw-file-description"><noscript><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/AP_News_reliability_result_1.png" decoding="async" width="835" height="86" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="835" data-file-height="86"></noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 835px;height: 86px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/AP_News_reliability_result_1.png" data-width="835" data-height="86" data-class="mw-file-element"> </a> I would suggest to keep both, but it all comes down to the reference. For the full list of common references, click <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources">here</a> Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7">Cooldudeseven7</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7">join in on the tea talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241126142200-Sourcing_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you. For future reference, is it a good idea to have multiple citations on a claim, especially one about a recent and/or controversial development? On the surface it sounds like it adds credibility to my statement but having too many sources might impact readability because of all the blue superscript numbers. <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">Roar at me</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing">My contributions</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126143600-Cooldudeseven7-20241126142200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">User:ApteryxRainWing</a> I <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Walmart&diff=1259709496&oldid=1259690979">fixed your ABC News citation</a>. One consideration is whether readers can access one source better than another source when there are two equivalent ones you could use. That isn't relevant here, as both are live weblinks. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126171200-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126143600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Would website stability contribute to that factor? AP has a lot of ads that slow the site down but ABC runs smoothly even on my terrible chromebook <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">Roar with me!!!</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing">My contributions</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241126175800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126171200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(50)"><h2 id="Would_the_LMU_Open_Science_Center_be_notable_for_an_Wikipedia_article?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Would_the_LMU_Open_Science_Center_be_notable_for_an_Wikipedia_article?-20241126142800">Would the LMU Open Science Center be notable for an Wikipedia article?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: Would the LMU Open Science Center be notable for an Wikipedia article?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-50 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-50"> Is the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.osc.uni-muenchen.de/index.html">LMU Open Science Center</a> notable enough for the English Wikipedia? It is an independent part of the <a href="/wiki/Ludwig_Maximilian_University_of_Munich" title="Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich">LMU</a> in <a href="/wiki/Munich" title="Munich">Munich</a>. I'm not sure which notability criteria would apply to a semi independent part of a university, with its own staff etc. There are external sources about it, but not much as it often happens with academic institutions themself. Here would be some additional sources: <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.lmu.de/en/newsroom/news-overview/news/bringing-transparency-to-research-practice.html">https://www.lmu.de/en/newsroom/news-overview/news/bringing-transparency-to-research-practice.html</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://explore.openaire.eu/search/publication?pid=10.5281%2Fzenodo.10285395">https://explore.openaire.eu/search/publication?pid=10.5281%2Fzenodo.10285395</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://network.febs.org/posts/embedding-open-research-in-institutional-practices">https://network.febs.org/posts/embedding-open-research-in-institutional-practices</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://portal.volkswagenstiftung.de/search/projectDetails.do?ref=9D211">https://portal.volkswagenstiftung.de/search/projectDetails.do?ref=9D211</a></li></ul> <a href="/wiki/User:Kristbaum" title="User:Kristbaum">Kristbaum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kristbaum" title="User talk:Kristbaum">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Kristbaum-20241126142800-Would_the_LMU_Open_Science_Center_be_notable_for_an_Wikipedia_article?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, @<a href="/wiki/User:Kristbaum" title="User:Kristbaum">Kristbaum</a>, and welcome to the Teahouse. The four sources above contribute absolutely nothing to notability for the Centre, as the first three are not independent, and the last is a mere listing (and probably not independent either). You need three or more sources each of which meets all three of the criteria in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">WP:42</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241126175200-Kristbaum-20241126142800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(51)"><h2 id="Searching_for_a_good_place_for_article_creation_ideas" data-mw-thread-id="h-Searching_for_a_good_place_for_article_creation_ideas-20241126150600">Searching for a good place for article creation ideas</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: Searching for a good place for article creation ideas" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-51 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-51"> Hello TeaHouse!, I am new to editing and writing on wikipedia but there are some topics that I believe should have articles but don't. I am afraid to write an article on some of the topics as I am by no means an expert. However, I was wondering if there was a forum, talk page, or any kind of location that I could post some of these ideas in hopes that someone may want to write an article but is looking for an article to write. What is the most appropriate place to post suggestions like that? <a href="/wiki/User:Middle_Mac_CJM" title="User:Middle Mac CJM">Middle Mac CJM</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Middle_Mac_CJM" title="User talk:Middle Mac CJM">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Middle_Mac_CJM-20241126150600-Searching_for_a_good_place_for_article_creation_ideas" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Middle_Mac_CJM" title="User:Middle Mac CJM">Middle Mac CJM</a> To my knowledge, the best place would be the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SUGGEST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SUGGEST">requested articles</a> page. <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo">CommissarDoggo</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo">Talk?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20241126150900-Middle_Mac_CJM-20241126150600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you!!! <a href="/wiki/User:Middle_Mac_CJM" title="User:Middle Mac CJM">Middle Mac CJM</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Middle_Mac_CJM" title="User talk:Middle Mac CJM">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Middle_Mac_CJM-20241126152400-CommissarDoggo-20241126150900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Middle_Mac_CJM" title="User:Middle Mac CJM">Middle Mac CJM</a> While in theory that should work, the reality is that there are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of proposed article topics and very, very rarely are any taken up. If you believe a topic deserves an article then <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YFA">WP:YFA</a> is the path. That said, there is a strong recommendation to gain experience improving existing articles before essaying to create. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241126182200-Middle_Mac_CJM-20241126152400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(52)"><h2 id="wikipedias_user" data-mw-thread-id="h-wikipedias_user-20241126160300">wikipedias user</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: wikipedias user" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-52 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-52"> whats Wikipedias user <a href="/wiki/User:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User:TheSmartWikiOne">TheSmartWikiOne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User talk:TheSmartWikiOne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300-wikipedias_user" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello @<a href="/wiki/User:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User:TheSmartWikiOne">TheSmartWikiOne</a>, and welcome to Wikipedia. It's unclear what exactly you're asking; can you please rephrase? <a href="/wiki/User:CoconutOctopus" title="User:CoconutOctopus">CoconutOctopus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CoconutOctopus" title="User talk:CoconutOctopus">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CoconutOctopus-20241126161100-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User:TheSmartWikiOne">TheSmartWikiOne</a>, you have <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/TheSmartWikiOne&target=TheSmartWikiOne&offset=&limit=250">used up a lot of the time of other editors</a> but haven't made any improvement to Wikipedia. Please consider abandoning Wikipedia and taking up some alternative pursuit. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241126220400-TheSmartWikiOne-20241126160300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/TheSmartWikiOne">xtools counter</a>. I recommend to be mindful of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTHERE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTHERE">WP:NOTHERE</a>. In the past, I've seen over-enthusiastic editors getting blocked for similar editing. You should spend more time on help building Wikipedia, and less time on user/user talk pages, or doing some other irrelevant activity. —usernamekiran <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Usernamekiran-20241127031600-Hoary-20241126220400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(53)"><h2 id="About_and_other_templates" data-mw-thread-id="h-About_and_other_templates-20241126163200">About and other templates</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: About and other templates" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-53 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-53"> In <a href="/wiki/Aliasing_(factorial_experiments)" title="Aliasing (factorial experiments)">aliasing (factorial experiments)</a>, I want to modify the headnote to read: This article is about aliasing in statistics, in particular fractional factorial designs. For other uses, see <a href="/wiki/Aliasing_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Aliasing (disambiguation)">Aliasing (disambiguation)</a>. If I try to do this using the "About" template, I get: This article is about aliasing in statistics, in particular fractional factorial designs. For other uses, see <a href="/w/index.php?title=Aliasing_(factorial_experiments)_(disambiguation)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Aliasing (factorial experiments) (disambiguation) (page does not exist)">Aliasing (factorial experiments) (disambiguation)</a>. There is no such disambiguation page. I don't see a way to use extra arguments to do what I want. The templates "Other uses" and "For" are not helpful here, either, and I'm assuming that I would need to write a unique headnote for this purpose. I'd appreciate some assistance in this. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Johsebb&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Johsebb (page does not exist)">Johsebb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johsebb" title="User talk:Johsebb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Johsebb-20241126163200-About_and_other_templates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Johsebb&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Johsebb (page does not exist)">Johsebb</a> What you need is <code>{{About|aliasing in statistics, in particular fractional factorial designs|other uses, see|Aliasing (disambiguation)}}</code>. Copy/paste this directly from the rendered text, as you don't need the nowiki etc. you see in the source code. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170100-Johsebb-20241126163200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Is it reasonable that a reader would wind up at a page titled "aliasing (factorial experiments)" if they wanted some other meaning of the term "aliasing"? If not, then <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HATNOTERULES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HATNOTERULES">WP:HATNOTERULES</a> #3 advises not to have a hatnote at all. <a href="/wiki/User:DMacks" title="User:DMacks">DMacks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DMacks" title="User talk:DMacks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DMacks-20241126221200-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(54)"><h2 id="How_to_cite_a_PDF?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_to_cite_a_PDF?-20241126164700">How to cite a PDF?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: How to cite a PDF?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-54 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-54"> I'm trying to cite this PDF:<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.deped.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/DO_s2008_060.pdf">https://www.deped.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/DO_s2008_060.pdf</a> for the <a href="/wiki/Philippine_English" title="Philippine English">Philippine English</a> article's starting paragraph, but I don't know how to cite stuff manually. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BadEditor93&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BadEditor93 (page does not exist)">BadEditor93</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BadEditor93" title="User talk:BadEditor93">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BadEditor93-20241126164700-How_to_cite_a_PDF?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BadEditor93&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BadEditor93 (page does not exist)">BadEditor93</a> The easiest template to use is {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_web" title="Template:Cite web">cite web</a>}}. See that link for the parameters it takes. The URL for the .pdf goes into the <code>|url=</code> parameter and you fill out others like the title, date and authors from the content of the .pdf itself. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126165500-BadEditor93-20241126164700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(55)"><h2 id="I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to_advertise_a_business." data-mw-thread-id="h-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to-20241126165400">I found a somewhat suspicious user. It seems as though they're editing things to advertise a business.</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: I found a somewhat suspicious user. It seems as though they're editing things to advertise a business." class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-55 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-55"> I do know that the user is actually contributing, or at least... it looks like it. I'm not really experienced enough to what to do from here. Can someone help me out? <a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmrAlWatan" title="User talk:AmrAlWatan">🗣️</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan" title="Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan">📝</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400-I_found_a_somewhat_suspicious_user._It_seems_as_though_they're_editing_things_to" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan</a> Could you link what you're referencing for us? <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo">CommissarDoggo</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo">Talk?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800-AmrAlWatan-20241126165400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rock-climbing_equipment&diff=1259679042&oldid=1247466299">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rock-climbing_equipment&diff=1259679042&oldid=1247466299</a></dd> <dd>As I said, I don't know exactly what I'm supposed to be looking at... I'll get there someday :D <a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmrAlWatan" title="User talk:AmrAlWatan">🗣️</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan" title="Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan">📝</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200-CommissarDoggo-20241126165800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan</a> With cases of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPAM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPAM">inserting inappropriate external links or advertising</a>, you should either alert someone to the issue as you've done here, or, if you feel comfortable, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REVERT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REVERT">revert the edit</a> and apply a notice to the user's talk page, as I've done <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lapiha6410" title="User talk:Lapiha6410">here</a>.</dd> <dd>You can do this far easier with things like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TWINKLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TWINKLE">Twinkle</a>, which you should have access to. <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo">CommissarDoggo</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo">Talk?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900-AmrAlWatan-20241126190200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you so much! <a href="/wiki/User:AmrAlWatan" title="User:AmrAlWatan">AmrAlWatan</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmrAlWatan" title="User talk:AmrAlWatan">🗣️</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan" title="Special:Contributions/AmrAlWatan">📝</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AmrAlWatan-20241127011400-CommissarDoggo-20241126190900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(56)"><h2 id="How_would_you_mark_an_article_for_good?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_would_you_mark_an_article_for_good?-20241126165700">How would you mark an article for good?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: How would you mark an article for good?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-56 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-56"> I know that some articles are marked as "good" across the website. (about 0.53%?) How would I go about trying to nominate an article for being good? And if it's rejected, would I be given feedback on how to improve said article? (In my case I'm trying to nominate <a href="/wiki/Millennium_Force" title="Millennium Force">Millennium Force</a>; it's an article I've poured time into and am really passionate about) <a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therguy10" title="User talk:Therguy10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therguy10-20241126165700-How_would_you_mark_an_article_for_good?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:57, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GA">WP:GA</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng-20241126170300-Therguy10-20241126165700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> That article is already a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FA">featured article</a>. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GA">Good articles</a> are actually of a lower standard! <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170300-Therguy10-20241126165700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Details, details. <a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng-20241126170500-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Michael D. Turnbull</a> Oh wow! That makes me pretty happy!</dd> <dd>Well into the future, if I was to try to make a different article good status, how would that work? I really don't have any article in mind but for future reference that could be helpful. <a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therguy10" title="User talk:Therguy10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therguy10-20241126170800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126170300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The links to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GA">WP:GA</a> that have already been provided give full details. Note the various tabs for instructions/nomination/etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126171500-Therguy10-20241126170800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng" title="User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång">Gråbergs Gråa Sång</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Michael D. Turnbull</a> Oh whoops I didn't see that. Thank you both! <a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therguy10" title="User talk:Therguy10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therguy10-20241126171800-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241126171500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(57)"><h2 id='Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?' data-mw-thread-id='h-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_"Edit"_and_other_times_show_"Edit_Source"?-20241126183100'>Why does wiki sometimes show "Edit" and other times show "Edit Source"?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=58" title='Edit section: Why does wiki sometimes show "Edit" and other times show "Edit Source"?' class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-57 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-57"> Its annoying for my 2 braincells, since I'm horrible at source editing, but it always shows up, unless for suggested edits. Is there a way to toggle this? <a href="/wiki/User:BlazeFlames" title="User:BlazeFlames">BlazeFlames</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlazeFlames" title="User talk:BlazeFlames">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BlazeFlames-20241126183100-Why_does_wiki_sometimes_show_%22Edit%22_and_other_times_show_%22Edit_Source%22?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:BlazeFlames" title="User:BlazeFlames">BlazeFlames</a>, are you having this problem on article pages or only elsewhere? There is no Visual Editor support for talk pages, for example, so it's only edit source available there. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241126183600-BlazeFlames-20241126183100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>article pages <a href="/wiki/User:BlazeFlames" title="User:BlazeFlames">BlazeFlames</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlazeFlames" title="User talk:BlazeFlames">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BlazeFlames-20241126185900-Asilvering-20241126183600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ok, go to Preferences --> Editing --> Editor --> Editing mode. Make sure this is set to "always give me the Visual Editor if possible". -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241126195200-BlazeFlames-20241126185900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:BlazeFlames" title="User:BlazeFlames">BlazeFlames</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BlazeFlames" title="User talk:BlazeFlames">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-BlazeFlames-20241126214000-Asilvering-20241126195200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(58)"><h2 id="Why_do_some_categories_on_some_pages_seem_unremovable?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_do_some_categories_on_some_pages_seem_unremovable?-20241126184000">Why do some categories on some pages seem unremovable?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=59" title="Edit section: Why do some categories on some pages seem unremovable?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-58 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-58"> Recently I discovered that the <a href="/wiki/1910_United_States_census" title="1910 United States census">1910 United States Census</a> was in the category <a href="/wiki/Category:Cities_in_the_United_States" title="Category:Cities in the United States">Cities in the United States</a>. I attempted to remove the category using visual editor, but it didn't show up in the category box while editing. I then went to source editor, and it didn't appear in the source code. Does anyone have any idea why this is the case? <a href="/wiki/User:Gaismagorm" title="User:Gaismagorm">Gaismagorm</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaismagorm" title="User talk:Gaismagorm">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gaismagorm-20241126184000-Why_do_some_categories_on_some_pages_seem_unremovable?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Might be a category that comes with a template. If someone else [here] doesn't beat me to it, I'll take a look later today or early tomorrow. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241126184400-Gaismagorm-20241126184000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>I think it's because of <a href="/wiki/Template:United_States_Cities_Labeled_Map_1910_Large" title="Template:United States Cities Labeled Map 1910 Large">Template:United States Cities Labeled Map 1910 Large</a>. I don't know how to stop it doing it though. <a href="/wiki/User:DuncanHill" title="User:DuncanHill">DuncanHill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DuncanHill" title="User talk:DuncanHill">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-DuncanHill-20241126184600-Gaismagorm-20241126184000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I've <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1259726771" title="Special:Diff/1259726771">removed</a> the category in question and linked this discussion in the <a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_summary" title="Help:Edit summary">edit summary</a>. If someone contests it, they can continue the discussion here or open a discussion somewhere with a lot of watchers, like the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VPT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VPT">Village Pump</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241126185800-DuncanHill-20241126184600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Gaismagorm" title="User:Gaismagorm">Gaismagorm</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gaismagorm" title="User talk:Gaismagorm">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Gaismagorm-20241126190200-Rotideypoc41352-20241126185800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(59)"><h2 id="Is_enough_info_for_an_article/stub?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_enough_info_for_an_article/stub?-20241126185000">Is enough info for an article/stub?</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: Is enough info for an article/stub?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-59 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-59"> Hey Teahouse! I have some question regarding an article I'm debating on creating. The article I am debating is on the effects of <a href="/wiki/Millennium_Force" title="Millennium Force">Millennium Force</a>, particularly in the station and queue. Throughout the main article on Millennium Force, there are some references and notes regarding station effects and history, a lot of which was added by me. However, that only scratches the surface of what there actually is and has been. I'm just unsure as to whether it fits in the main article, and I believe I could create a sub-article of sorts explaining the information in a much, much better way than there is now. For example, under the "station" heading, a note is mentioned about 3 sets of dispatch audio. It had citations to the audio and the fact that there may be more, but that's it. In reality, those audio sets have a deeper history, such as the decade old promos that they came in. This is prevalent again with the in-station projectors. I mentioned that they had been brought back in a new but limited fashion, but didn't get to touch on the history of them, or why they weren't even working on the time. (I even emailed Cedar Point's spokesperson regarding this and got a good answer with info!) There is just so much interesting and deep history regarding the queue, station, and cable lift effects that don't get mentioned at all in the main article. I have and can get more citations for all of the info, but I just don't know if it would qualify for Wikipedia. Like would I have to take some existing information regarding the effects from the main page? Or could there be some brief info on the main page with all of the in-depth info on a "sub-page"? I would love some feedback on this! <a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therguy10" title="User talk:Therguy10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therguy10-20241126185000-Is_enough_info_for_an_article/stub?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a>, it sounds to me like this is the kind of thing you can add to the main article, rather than something that ought to be added as a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPINOUT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPINOUT">WP:SPINOUT</a>. In general, the way this kind of thing is approached is by working directly in the "parent" article and only spinning out if it gets too long or overdetailed. Regarding emailing CP's spokesperson, did they send you to some resource online, or did they just answer your questions directly? Unfortunately, since personal communication isn't externally verifiable (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a>), we can't use it on Wikipedia. But if you can find that information in reliable sources (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>), you're good to go. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241126191400-Therguy10-20241126185000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a> The email I received confirmed what I had suspected with already reputable sources, but I wanted to be 100% sure before adding anything to Wikipedia because no official announcement was made about it. Tony Clark (the spokesperson) just gave me additional details; things that I had already gathered but was happy to hear confirmed. (You can actually email him yourself if you need more verification)</dd> <dd>And as far as adding the information I have goes, if I typed up an article draft of every single bit of info, (with all of the reputable sources and citations, of course) and then added it to your talk page, maybe you could you review it and decide whether or not it should go into the main article or spin-off? Or is there anyone else I could find help with? I'm comfortable with either option in adding to the main article or to a spin-off, but I'd hate to gather up all of my sources and citations just for it to be undone.</dd> <dd>(If that's something you can't do that is totally fine! I don't expect help lol) I appreciate your help already! <a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therguy10" title="User talk:Therguy10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therguy10-20241126192800-Asilvering-20241126191400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It's really hard to review drafts on a talk page, so please don't paste it there (also, my talk page is kinda long so that will be extra annoying). My advice would be to work directly in the article, but not to make all of your changes in one go. Add a paragraph or maybe only a couple of sentences at a time, and see how that goes. That's easier for other editors to review, and will be less disappointing to you if someone objects to your additions. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241126193800-Therguy10-20241126192800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a> Got it! I'll try to start on that at some point in the near future. I really appreciate this feedback so thank you very very much! <a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therguy10" title="User talk:Therguy10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therguy10-20241126194200-Asilvering-20241126193800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I should warn you that, because that is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FA">Featured Article</a>, you may receive some pushback for changing it, simply because you're changing it. If that happens, just know that it's not about you. Come back here for more advice and we can help you untangle whatever happens. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241126195000-Therguy10-20241126194200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks; I didn't even think about that. If something arises I'll try to come back to the Teahouse. <a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therguy10" title="User talk:Therguy10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therguy10-20241126195700-Asilvering-20241126195000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>According to View history, the article has 95 'Watchers' who purportedly check on their Watchlist every time they log in (albeit many are likely no longer active editors or Watchers). The Talk page of the article is a better place for discussion if reverted. On a more general note, pot3ential content can be true and reference-verifiable but not seen as improving the article. See the essay <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Fancruft" title="Wikipedia:Fancruft">Wikipedia:Fancruft</a> for thoughts on this. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241126225100-Therguy10-20241126195700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(60)"><h2 id="Help_finding_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_finding_template-20241126191900">Help finding template</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: Help finding template" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-60 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-60"> I need the template for an unsourced information tag <a href="/wiki/User:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User:FLIPPINGOUT">FLIPPINGOUT</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User talk:FLIPPINGOUT">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126191900-Help_finding_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User:FLIPPINGOUT">FLIPPINGOUT</a> <a href="/wiki/Template:Citation_needed" title="Template:Citation needed">Template:Citation needed</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo">CommissarDoggo</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo">Talk?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20241126192000-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126191900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes! Thank you <a href="/wiki/User:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User:FLIPPINGOUT">FLIPPINGOUT</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User talk:FLIPPINGOUT">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192400-CommissarDoggo-20241126192000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Wait nevermind @<a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo">CommissarDoggo</a></dd> <dd>I need the warning template, sorry <a href="/wiki/User:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User:FLIPPINGOUT">FLIPPINGOUT</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User talk:FLIPPINGOUT">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192700-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User:FLIPPINGOUT">FLIPPINGOUT</a> Oh, the actual warning template for adding unsourced information? That's at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WARNINGS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WARNINGS">WP:WARNINGS</a> > multi-level templates > "Addition of unsourced or improperly cited material" <a href="/wiki/User:CommissarDoggo" title="User:CommissarDoggo">CommissarDoggo</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:CommissarDoggo" title="User talk:CommissarDoggo">Talk?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CommissarDoggo-20241126192900-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126192700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you again for the help <a href="/wiki/User:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User:FLIPPINGOUT">FLIPPINGOUT</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User talk:FLIPPINGOUT">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126193500-CommissarDoggo-20241126192900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:FLIPPINGOUT" title="User:FLIPPINGOUT">FLIPPINGOUT</a>, if you enable <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TWINKLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TWINKLE">WP:TWINKLE</a> in your user preferences, you can automate leaving user warnings. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241126193800-FLIPPINGOUT-20241126191900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(61)"><h2 id="Using_a_book_reference" data-mw-thread-id="h-Using_a_book_reference-20241126213500">Using a book reference</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: Using a book reference" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-61 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-61"> Hi there. I have a question about using a book as a reference in my draft. The book is named "Valiant: Many Hands, One Vision" published by Walkerville Publishing in 2009. We have an ISBN - I can provide if necessary. However, the book is not available to the public, and you can't purchase it online. If you search for the book you can only see the cover, but it is not being sold anywhere. Can I use this source if other editors can't verify the information in the book? We have the PDF of the book. Would it work if we published this PDF on our website, then include the URL in the book citation? <a href="/wiki/User:AliceMaiAnh" title="User:AliceMaiAnh">AliceMaiAnh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AliceMaiAnh" title="User talk:AliceMaiAnh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AliceMaiAnh-20241126213500-Using_a_book_reference" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:AliceMaiAnh" title="User:AliceMaiAnh">AliceMaiAnh</a>, why do you say "we"? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241126220900-AliceMaiAnh-20241126213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:AliceMaiAnh" title="User:AliceMaiAnh">AliceMaiAnh</a>, I assume you are working for the company and they are willing to put it on their website. It depends on if the company owns the copyright to this privately published book. It would be easier just to have some company history on the website to use as a source for facts. The bigger issue is finding sources that are completely independent of the company in order to show that it is notable enough, that is well-enough-known, to have a Wikipedia article. Currently all your references appear to be based on press releases. <a href="/wiki/User:StarryGrandma" title="User:StarryGrandma">StarryGrandma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StarryGrandma" title="User talk:StarryGrandma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-StarryGrandma-20241126224600-AliceMaiAnh-20241126213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:AliceMaiAnh" title="User:AliceMaiAnh">AliceMaiAnh</a>, Walkerville Publishing is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFPUB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SELFPUB">self publishing company</a>. It is highly unlikely that this is a reliable source for use on Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241127034500-StarryGrandma-20241126224600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(62)"><h2 id="My_edit_got_reverted_despite_it_being_accurate" data-mw-thread-id="h-My_edit_got_reverted_despite_it_being_accurate-20241127003200">My edit got reverted despite it being accurate</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: My edit got reverted despite it being accurate" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-62 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-62"> Hello, my edit got reverted despite it being accurate. The edit being "To Pimp A Butterfly was met with universal acclaim" on Kendrick Lamar's "To Pimp A Butterfly" due to it being the highest rated album on "RateYourMusic" and it indicating universal acclaim on "Metacritic", so now i'm just wondering on why it got reverted since i think it's completely accurate? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Elijahjb306&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Elijahjb306 (page does not exist)">Elijahjb306</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elijahjb306" title="User talk:Elijahjb306">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Elijahjb306-20241127003200-My_edit_got_reverted_despite_it_being_accurate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Elijahjb306&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Elijahjb306 (page does not exist)">Elijahjb306</a>, the article already said "universal acclaim" when you made the changes. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241127005800-Elijahjb306-20241127003200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(63)"><h2 id="AI_Aided_Suggested_Edits_(adding_links_between_articles)" data-mw-thread-id="h-AI_Aided_Suggested_Edits_(adding_links_between_articles)-20241127054200">AI Aided Suggested Edits (adding links between articles)</h2> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=64" title="Edit section: AI Aided Suggested Edits (adding links between articles)" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> edit </a> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-63 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-63"> Yesterday on my suggested edits I had on these AI suggested ones (e.g. <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quartz_crystal_microbalance_with_dissipation_monitoring&diff=prev&oldid=1259648652">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quartz_crystal_microbalance_with_dissipation_monitoring&diff=prev&oldid=1259648652</a>) for adding links between articles and now they're gone. (See <a class="external free" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Newcomer_Tasks#s-link">https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Growth/Tools/Newcomer_Tasks#s-link</a>) <a href="/wiki/User:Sushidude21!" title="User:Sushidude21!">Sushidude21!</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sushidude21!" title="User talk:Sushidude21!">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Sushidude21!-20241127054200-AI_Aided_Suggested_Edits_(adding_links_between_articles)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]    </section></div> <noscript><img src="https://login.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&mobile=1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" 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data-title="ويكيبيديا:بوابة المشاركة" data-language-autonym="العربية" data-language-local-name="Arabic" class="interlanguage-link-target">العربية</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-as mw-list-item"><a href="https://as.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A7%B1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%82%E0%A6%98%E0%A7%B0" title="ৱিকিপিডিয়া:চাংঘৰ – Assamese" lang="as" hreflang="as" data-title="ৱিকিপিডিয়া:চাংঘৰ" data-language-autonym="অসমীয়া" data-language-local-name="Assamese" class="interlanguage-link-target">অসমীয়া</a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bn mw-list-item"><a href="https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%87%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%98%E0%A6%B0" title="উইকিপিডিয়া:চাঘর – Bangla" lang="bn" hreflang="bn" data-title="উইকিপিডিয়া:চাঘর" data-language-autonym="বাংলা" data-language-local-name="Bangla" 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