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id="toc-Template-protected_edit_request_on_Template:Uw-uhblock" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template-protected_edit_request_on_Template:Uw-uhblock"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4</span> <span>Template-protected edit request on Template:Uw-uhblock</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template-protected_edit_request_on_Template:Uw-uhblock-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Request_modification_to_code_on_Template:Uw-username" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Request_modification_to_code_on_Template:Uw-username"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Request modification to code on Template:Uw-username</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul 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class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Warning_for_creating_infobox-only_articles?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>Warning for creating infobox-only articles?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Warning_for_creating_infobox-only_articles?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>RfC: Should we use different icons in the templates?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">16 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle RfC: Should we use different icons in the templates? subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Survey" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Survey"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.1</span> <span>Survey</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Survey-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Threaded_discussion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Threaded_discussion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.2</span> <span>Threaded discussion</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Threaded_discussion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-uw-unsourced1_explanation_of_WP:BURDEN" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#uw-unsourced1_explanation_of_WP:BURDEN"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>uw-unsourced1 explanation of WP:BURDEN</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-uw-unsourced1_explanation_of_WP:BURDEN-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-You_may_be_blocked?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#You_may_be_blocked?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>You <i>may</i> be blocked?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-You_may_be_blocked?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template:Uw-hasty" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template:Uw-hasty"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Template:Uw-hasty</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template:Uw-hasty-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Creating_Templates" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Creating_Templates"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Creating Templates</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Creating_Templates-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template-protected_edit_request_on_19_March_2017" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template-protected_edit_request_on_19_March_2017"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Template-protected edit request on 19 March 2017</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template-protected_edit_request_on_19_March_2017-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Icons_should_be_more_modern" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Icons_should_be_more_modern"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Icons should be more modern</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Icons_should_be_more_modern-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Regarding_Template:Uw-block/doc/Block_templates" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Regarding_Template:Uw-block/doc/Block_templates"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Regarding Template:Uw-block/doc/Block templates</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Regarding_Template:Uw-block/doc/Block_templates-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Edit_request_April_2017" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Edit_request_April_2017"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Edit request April 2017</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Edit_request_April_2017-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template_to_inform_user_about_using_bare_URLs_in_citations?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template_to_inform_user_about_using_bare_URLs_in_citations?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Template to inform user about using bare URLs in citations?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template_to_inform_user_about_using_bare_URLs_in_citations?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User_space_indexing_message_(Uw-userspacenoindex)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User_space_indexing_message_(Uw-userspacenoindex)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>User space indexing message (Uw-userspacenoindex)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-User_space_indexing_message_(Uw-userspacenoindex)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User_talk_warning_template_for_the_'taking_over'/hijacking_of_articles" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User_talk_warning_template_for_the_'taking_over'/hijacking_of_articles"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>User talk warning template for the 'taking over'/hijacking of articles</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-User_talk_warning_template_for_the_'taking_over'/hijacking_of_articles-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Disruptive_editing_or_vandalism?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Disruptive_editing_or_vandalism?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Disruptive editing or vandalism?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Disruptive_editing_or_vandalism?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Change_"can"_to_"will"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Change_"can"_to_"will""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Change "can" to "will"</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Change_"can"_to_"will"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"you_can_leave_me_a_message_on_my_talk_page"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"you_can_leave_me_a_message_on_my_talk_page""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>"you can leave me a message on my talk page"</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-"you_can_leave_me_a_message_on_my_talk_page"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Arabic_not_English_template_is_in_Chinese" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Arabic_not_English_template_is_in_Chinese"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Arabic not English template is in Chinese</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Arabic_not_English_template_is_in_Chinese-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Add_A7?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Add_A7?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Add A7?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Add_A7?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Better_wording_needed" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Better_wording_needed"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>Better wording needed</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Better_wording_needed-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Page_blanking_messages" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Page_blanking_messages"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Page blanking messages</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Page_blanking_messages-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Tweak_wording_of_Template:Uw-nonfree" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Tweak_wording_of_Template:Uw-nonfree"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Tweak wording of Template:Uw-nonfree</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Tweak_wording_of_Template:Uw-nonfree-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2017_Suggestion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2017_Suggestion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Template-protected edit request on 7 July 2017 Suggestion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2017_Suggestion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-About_uw-block_for_enforcing_editing_restrictions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#About_uw-block_for_enforcing_editing_restrictions"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>About uw-block for enforcing editing restrictions</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-About_uw-block_for_enforcing_editing_restrictions-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Altering_cited_quotes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Altering_cited_quotes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>Altering cited quotes</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Altering_cited_quotes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Advert_template" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Advert_template"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>Advert template</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Advert_template-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Changing_Username" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Changing_Username"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Changing Username</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Changing_Username-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template_line_break" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template_line_break"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Template line break</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template_line_break-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Hatnote_for_Template:CV" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Hatnote_for_Template:CV"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Hatnote for Template:CV</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Hatnote_for_Template:CV-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-uw-talkforum" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#uw-talkforum"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>uw-talkforum</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-uw-talkforum-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Teahouse?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Teahouse?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Teahouse?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Teahouse?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Usernames_related_to_a_"real-world"_group_or_organization" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Usernames_related_to_a_"real-world"_group_or_organization"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Usernames related to a "real-world" group or organization</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Usernames_related_to_a_"real-world"_group_or_organization-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Article_not_rendering" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Article_not_rendering"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>Article not rendering</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Article_not_rendering-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Graphic_and_text_are_both_out_of_date" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Graphic_and_text_are_both_out_of_date"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Graphic and text are both out of date</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Graphic_and_text_are_both_out_of_date-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Blatant_vandalism_and_subtle_vandalism_having_the_same_level_3-5_warning_templates?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Blatant_vandalism_and_subtle_vandalism_having_the_same_level_3-5_warning_templates?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>Blatant vandalism and subtle vandalism having the same level 3-5 warning templates?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Blatant_vandalism_and_subtle_vandalism_having_the_same_level_3-5_warning_templates?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Explain_where_the_message_came_from" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Explain_where_the_message_came_from"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Explain where the message came from</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Explain_where_the_message_came_from-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-New_Template_Suggestion:_Use_of_another_Wikipedia_article_as_a_source" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#New_Template_Suggestion:_Use_of_another_Wikipedia_article_as_a_source"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>New Template Suggestion: Use of another Wikipedia article as a source</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-New_Template_Suggestion:_Use_of_another_Wikipedia_article_as_a_source-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-New_warning_template(s)_for_addition_of_random_characters?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#New_warning_template(s)_for_addition_of_random_characters?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>New warning template(s) for addition of random characters?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-New_warning_template(s)_for_addition_of_random_characters?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-NOR1_and_others_perhaps_overly-welcoming?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#NOR1_and_others_perhaps_overly-welcoming?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>NOR1 and others perhaps overly-welcoming?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 comments</span> <ul id="toc-NOR1_and_others_perhaps_overly-welcoming?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-request_a_slight_change" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#request_a_slight_change"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>request a slight change</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">39 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-request_a_slight_change-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle request a slight change subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-request_a_slight_change-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-impromptu_straw_poll" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#impromptu_straw_poll"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46.1</span> <span>impromptu straw poll</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-impromptu_straw_poll-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template-protected_edit_request_on_14_February_2018" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template-protected_edit_request_on_14_February_2018"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Template-protected edit request on 14 February 2018</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template-protected_edit_request_on_14_February_2018-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Uw-nonfree" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Uw-nonfree"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>Uw-nonfree</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Uw-nonfree-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_February_2018" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_February_2018"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>Template-protected edit request on 27 February 2018</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_February_2018-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Is_Template:Uw-efblock_a_good_idea?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Is_Template:Uw-efblock_a_good_idea?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>Is Template:Uw-efblock a good idea?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Is_Template:Uw-efblock_a_good_idea?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Uw-unsourced1_Daily_Mail" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Uw-unsourced1_Daily_Mail"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>Uw-unsourced1 Daily Mail</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Uw-unsourced1_Daily_Mail-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Edit_Request" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Edit_Request"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>Edit Request</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Edit_Request-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_12_April_2018" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_12_April_2018"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2018</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_12_April_2018-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-selfrevert-2_needed" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#selfrevert-2_needed"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>selfrevert-2 needed</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-selfrevert-2_needed-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Signature_button_picture_in_Template:uw-tilde" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Signature_button_picture_in_Template:uw-tilde"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>Signature button picture in Template:uw-tilde</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Signature_button_picture_in_Template:uw-tilde-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-uw-islamhon" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#uw-islamhon"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56</span> <span>uw-islamhon</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-uw-islamhon-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Lying_in_edit_summaries" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Lying_in_edit_summaries"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57</span> <span>Lying in edit summaries</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Lying_in_edit_summaries-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Add_"not_removed"_parameter_to_Uw-unsourced1" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Add_"not_removed"_parameter_to_Uw-unsourced1"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">58</span> <span>Add "not removed" parameter to Uw-unsourced1</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Add_"not_removed"_parameter_to_Uw-unsourced1-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Uw-canvass" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Uw-canvass"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59</span> <span>Uw-canvass</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Uw-canvass-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-More_help_for_new_users_in_uw-test1" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#More_help_for_new_users_in_uw-test1"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">60</span> <span>More help for new users in uw-test1</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-More_help_for_new_users_in_uw-test1-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Uw-harass4im" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Uw-harass4im"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">61</span> <span>Uw-harass4im</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Uw-harass4im-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">62</span> <span>Template-protected edit request on 8 June 2018</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Second_request" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Second_request"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">63</span> <span>Second request</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Second_request-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">64</span> <span>Template-protected edit request on 8 June 2018</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Template-protected_edit_request_—_10_June_2018" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Template-protected_edit_request_—_10_June_2018"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">65</span> <span>Template-protected edit request — 10 June 2018</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Template-protected_edit_request_—_10_June_2018-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Fringe_sources" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Fringe_sources"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">66</span> <span>Fringe sources</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Fringe_sources-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Uw-afcaddition_vs._Uw-draftmoved" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Uw-afcaddition_vs._Uw-draftmoved"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">67</span> <span>Uw-afcaddition vs. Uw-draftmoved</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">10 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Uw-afcaddition_vs._Uw-draftmoved-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Rather_strange_Draft_UW_template_at_AFC" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Rather_strange_Draft_UW_template_at_AFC"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">68</span> <span>Rather strange Draft UW template at AFC</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Rather_strange_Draft_UW_template_at_AFC-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Deprecating_Uw-patrolled" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Deprecating_Uw-patrolled"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">69</span> <span>Deprecating Uw-patrolled</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Deprecating_Uw-patrolled-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-FYI" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#FYI"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">70</span> <span>FYI</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-FYI-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-uw-subtle3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#uw-subtle3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">71</span> <span>uw-subtle3</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul 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0.5em;max-width:50em;width:100%;width:-moz-available;width:-webkit-fill-available;width:stretch"><tbody><tr><td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_10" title="Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace/Archive 10">Archive 10</a></td><td>←</td><td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_13" title="Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace/Archive 13">Archive 13</a></td><td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_14" title="Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace/Archive 14">Archive 14</a></td><td><span style="font-size:115%;"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Archive 15</a></span></td><td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_16" title="Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace/Archive 16">Archive 16</a></td><td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_17" title="Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace/Archive 17">Archive 17</a></td><td>→</td><td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_20" title="Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace/Archive 20">Archive 20</a></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WP:NOT_and_WP:BLP" data-mw-thread-id="h-WP:NOT_and_WP:BLP-2016-12-01T15:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WP:NOT_and_WP:BLP-2016-12-01T15:15:00.000Z"></span>WP:NOT and WP:BLP<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WP:NOT_and_WP:BLP-2016-12-01T15:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-01T15:15:00.000Z-WP:NOT_and_WP:BLP"></span>What I'm looking for is one for warning against content which is WP:NOT and another the same case but for BLP; mainly content which is just simply irrelevant here maybe citing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ONUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ONUS">WP:ONUS</a>. At present, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-unsourced2" title="Template:Uw-unsourced2">uw-unsourced2</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-biog2" title="Template:Uw-biog2">uw-biog2</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> are pretty useless since they "encourage" the editor that if refs are found, the WP:NOT content can be added--this is a common mistake I see in most newbies: thinking that just because they got a ref, they can add it. Especially, I want this for BLP because I come across cases where there are fairly reliable news reports covering some controversial incident but they fail because of WP:NOTNEWS and WP:BLPGOSSIP. Giving the current BLP warning only results in that offending editor <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOMBARD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOMBARD">WP:BOMBARDing</a> the addition with multiple similar such references (thinking that would help). Couldn't find any userwarning concerning these two and I want to create them. <a href="/wiki/User:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User:Ugog Nizdast">Ugog Nizdast</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User talk:Ugog Nizdast">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-01T15:15:00.000Z-WP:NOT_and_WP:BLP" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 1 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-01T15:15:00.000Z-WP:NOT_and_WP:BLP"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-01T15:15:00.000Z-WP:NOT_and_WP:BLP"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-14T07:09:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-01T15:15:00.000Z"></span>Here is a draft for the BLP one to get this going:</dd> <dd><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">Please do not add content which gives <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">undue weight</a> to a particular aspect of a living person. This goes against our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons_policy" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy">Biographies of living persons policy</a>. Wikipedia has a strict policy about articles on such people (BLPs) and care should be taken while writing about them.</span></dd> <dd><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">Content, even if referenced, does not make it automatically relevant to an article. On BLPs, care should be taken for its <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPSTYLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPSTYLE">tone and balance</a>. Wikipedia is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTNEWS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTNEWS">not a newspaper</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPSOURCES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPSOURCES">low quality sources from tabloid journalism</a> are unacceptable. Isolated events should not be given undue <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROPORTION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROPORTION">proportion</a> and avoid <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPGOSSIP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPGOSSIP">gossip even if true</a>. Well-known incidents for public figures should also comply with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WELLKNOWN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WELLKNOWN">our standards</a>.</span></dd> <dd><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">Ultimately, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ONUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ONUS">onus</a> is on the editor who adds the content to explain its relevance on the talk page. Thank you.</span></dd> <dd>Suggestions? Couldn't think of any better way to start than uw-fringe. I mildly aware of the length and links but to be fair, this is a complicated situation and similar ones such as external links warning too have similar length. If this is fine, then I'll go ahead and propose a one on plain WP:NOT which should be simpler. <a href="/wiki/User:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User:Ugog Nizdast">Ugog Nizdast</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User talk:Ugog Nizdast">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-14T07:09:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-01T15:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:09, 14 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-14T07:09:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-01T15:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-14T07:09:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-01T15:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2016-12-14T15:54:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-14T07:09:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User:Ugog Nizdast">Ugog Nizdast</a>:</span>Thank you for drafting this, which does convey the basic message. I've attempted to make it more concise without losing the gist, and removed the links to bits of the BLP policy, as we have linked to the whole policy which all applies. "Well-known" can perhaps be left out because all BLP subjects are public figures to a greater or lesser extent. The other thing is not to suggest that all edits have to be justified on the talk page when first made. Like to see what you think? <dl><dd><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">Please do not add content which gives <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">undue weight</a> to some fact about a living person. On Wikipedia we take particular care over <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons_policy" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy">articles about living people</a>.</span></dd> <dd><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">New information, even if referenced, should be added only if noteworthy, relevant and documented in multiple reliable third-party sources. Wikipedia is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTNEWS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTNEWS">not a newspaper</a> and material should not be added if it is only gossip or has little longer-term importance, or if the only sourcing is <a href="/wiki/Tabloid_journalism" title="Tabloid journalism">tabloid journalism</a>.</span></dd> <dd><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">If challenged, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ONUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ONUS">onus</a> is on the editor who adds the content to justify its retention. Thank you.</span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2016-12-14T15:54:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-14T07:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 14 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2016-12-14T15:54:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-14T07:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2016-12-14T15:54:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-14T07:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-15T07:03:00.000Z-Noyster-2016-12-14T15:54:00.000Z"></span>Regards to the wording, <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">aspect</span> is better, broader than <span class="example deprecated-content example-bad" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-removed, #8B0000);">fact</span> since we'll be rarely dealing with facts per se, most cases it's allegations, etc.</dd> <dd>The reason I've crammed so many shortcuts of the policy is, it's pretty lengthy and I doubt any new user would read beyond the lead; then it's easy to assume the misconception "negative content + any source = relevant". I myself have only recently discovered many small sections in it. I agree since too many links do reduce the overall point of them but something must be kept from those three: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPSTYLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPSTYLE">WP:BLPSTYLE</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROPORTION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROPORTION">WP:PROPORTION</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPGOSSIP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPGOSSIP">WP:BLPGOSSIP</a>. Question is which one conveys the main message of the warning...? <a href="/wiki/User:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User:Ugog Nizdast">Ugog Nizdast</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User talk:Ugog Nizdast">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-15T07:03:00.000Z-Noyster-2016-12-14T15:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:03, 15 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-15T07:03:00.000Z-Noyster-2016-12-14T15:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-15T07:03:00.000Z-Noyster-2016-12-14T15:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2016-12-15T13:08:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-15T07:03:00.000Z"></span>Let's just say "... some <i>statement</i> about ..." then. Maybe <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROPORTION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROPORTION">WP:PROPORTION</a> could replace the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">UNDUE</a> link: it's just a short subsection of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNDUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNDUE">UNDUE</a> and backs up well what we are saying here<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2016-12-15T13:08:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-15T07:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:08, 15 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2016-12-15T13:08:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-15T07:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2016-12-15T13:08:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-15T07:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-16T03:45:00.000Z-Noyster-2016-12-15T13:08:00.000Z"></span>I've made it at <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/755083425" title="Special:PermanentLink/755083425">my sandbox</a>. Test it out like how you normally would by substing {{subst:User:Ugog Nizdast/sandbox|Article name|Additional message.}} ~~~~ somewhere.</dd> <dd>I assume you're like me when to comes to template experience. I think it's ready in terms of syntax and the message doesn't seem to have any grammar issues, right? All is left is for me to create the actual template page. I'll go through the design guidelines once more. All of these messages will be single-level warnings, that seems to be most fitting. <a href="/wiki/User:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User:Ugog Nizdast">Ugog Nizdast</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User talk:Ugog Nizdast">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-16T03:45:00.000Z-Noyster-2016-12-15T13:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:45, 16 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-16T03:45:00.000Z-Noyster-2016-12-15T13:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-16T03:45:00.000Z-Noyster-2016-12-15T13:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2016-12-16T13:04:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-16T03:45:00.000Z"></span>Looks good! I take it this <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace#Single-level_templates" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace">single-level template</a> belongs in "advisories" not "warnings". In common with most of the other advisories it may be better to use the level-1 icon <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> rather then the level-2 icon you've got there - the editor on the receiving end probably has little idea they're breaking any rules before we tell them. If they keep on adding the offending material we then have to move on to one of the multi-level warning sequences like <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-biog2" title="Template:Uw-biog2">uw-biog2</a>}}</code> (unreferenced), <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-fringe2" title="Template:Uw-fringe2">uw-fringe2</a>}}</code> (undue weight), or <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-defamatory2" title="Template:Uw-defamatory2">uw-defamatory2</a>}}</code>, or in a less clear case take them to the BLP noticeboard<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2016-12-16T13:04:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-16T03:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 16 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2016-12-16T13:04:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-16T03:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2016-12-16T13:04:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-16T03:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-17T06:14:00.000Z-WP:NOT_and_WP:BLP"></span> I don't think this would fall under advisories. Take a look at their definition from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UWDG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UWDG">WP:UWDG</a>: "<i>There are also single issue notices that serve to remind other editors about minor mistakes...These notices are not classed as warnings and the actions they advise against almost never result in a block."</i> Such advisories are not signing, no edit summary etc, really petty common newbie faux paus rather than potential BLP violations. Granted, looking at the warnings at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SLT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SLT">WP:SLT</a> show a high degree of red colour warnings and stop signs--also for new editors who didn't know what they're doing, but too serious to be soft. There are few mild ones there for newbies, so the use of <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information_orange.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f0/Information_orange.svg/25px-Information_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f0/Information_orange.svg/38px-Information_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f0/Information_orange.svg/50px-Information_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> seems not too harsh/not too soft. This is a one-shot warning, if it fails, you probably better off taking action such as BLP noticeboard etc, using level-2+ warnings of other kind remove its purpose of being one-time use only. <a href="/wiki/User:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User:Ugog Nizdast">Ugog Nizdast</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User talk:Ugog Nizdast">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-17T06:14:00.000Z-WP:NOT_and_WP:BLP" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:14, 17 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-17T06:14:00.000Z-WP:NOT_and_WP:BLP"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-17T06:14:00.000Z-WP:NOT_and_WP:BLP"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2016-12-17T11:29:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-17T06:14:00.000Z"></span>You're taking it as equivalent to a Level 4 warning? Yes, it's more than a "minor mistake" but so are many other actions that appear in the "notices" column, such as: writing an autobiography; blogging; having a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">WP:COI</a>; using a non-English language; inadequate sourcing <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-refimprove" title="Template:Uw-refimprove">uw-refimprove</a>}}</code>; or creating invalid articles. The "undue weight" <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-fringe1" title="Template:Uw-fringe1">uw-fringe1</a>}}</code> and "unreferenced controversial information about living persons" <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-biog1" title="Template:Uw-biog1">uw-biog1</a>}}</code> warnings have multiple levels. I would submit that the gossipy trivialities we are seeking to discourage are on a par with these. They are likely to be inserted by new editors who simply don't know better, and what is "trivial" or "gossip" is very much down to interpretation and perspective. In the "user warnings" column come unambiguously serious violations such as attack pages, triggering edit filters, edit warring, hoaxing, legal threats, outing; with these it is mostly appropriate to say "do this again and you may be blocked". As it's more than a "minor mistake" I would settle for the orange "caution" icon in this new template but would expect it to be listed under "Single issue notices" (aka "advisories") not "single issue warnings". Anyone else got an opinion?<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2016-12-17T11:29:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-17T06:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 17 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2016-12-17T11:29:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-17T06:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2016-12-17T11:29:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-17T06:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-18T07:04:00.000Z-Noyster-2016-12-17T11:29:00.000Z"></span>I re-read my post and made no such statement that it should be level 4. I'm not convinced mainly because what we're concerned here is BLP violations (+NPOV, NOT--all are policies, not guidelines, esp BLP which is usually has serious potential in my experience). However, I feel this matter of classifying it doesn't warrant us to dwell on it for so long. Moving on.</dd> <dd>Behold, I've created <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-biog-not" title="Template:Uw-biog-not">Uw-biog-not</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> copied from the sandbox version. Unless we need to clarify anything more, the I'll create a plain NOT one too almost exactly like this; I'll see throw in some syntax where we can put arguments for which part of it (NOTNEWS, NOTCRYSTAL etc). <a href="/wiki/User:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User:Ugog Nizdast">Ugog Nizdast</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User talk:Ugog Nizdast">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-18T07:04:00.000Z-Noyster-2016-12-17T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:04, 18 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-18T07:04:00.000Z-Noyster-2016-12-17T11:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-18T07:04:00.000Z-Noyster-2016-12-17T11:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Error_at_Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace/Single-level_templates" data-mw-thread-id="h-Error_at_Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace/Single-level_templates-2016-12-17T06:17:00.000Z"><span id="Error_at_Wikipedia:Template_messages.2FUser_talk_namespace.2FSingle-level_templates"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Error_at_Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace/Single-level_templates-2016-12-17T06:17:00.000Z"></span>Error at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace/Single-level_templates" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace/Single-level templates">Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace/Single-level templates</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Error_at_Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace/Single-level_templates-2016-12-17T06:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-17T06:17:00.000Z-Error_at_Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace/Single-level_templates"></span>Take a look at the entry of {{subst:uw-subst|Article}} the page there. Its preview isn't working for some reason despite it having the same syntax as other warnings. What could be wrong? <a href="/wiki/User:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User:Ugog Nizdast">Ugog Nizdast</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User talk:Ugog Nizdast">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-17T06:17:00.000Z-Error_at_Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace/Single-level_templates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:17, 17 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-17T06:17:00.000Z-Error_at_Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace/Single-level_templates"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-17T06:17:00.000Z-Error_at_Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace/Single-level_templates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2016-12-18T11:44:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-17T06:17:00.000Z"></span>Must be something to do with the way that template works. I notice that the entire text within that template is enclosed within {{safesubst:require subst}}. We could do what the message says and "subst" the template call in the listing, but then the listing would not reflect any changes to the template itself. Needs a top-grade template expert<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2016-12-18T11:44:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-17T06:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:44, 18 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2016-12-18T11:44:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-17T06:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2016-12-18T11:44:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2016-12-17T06:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="That_"article_was_better_before"_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-That_"article_was_better_before"_template-2016-12-21T20:02:00.000Z"><span id="That_.22article_was_better_before.22_template"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-That_"article_was_better_before"_template-2016-12-21T20:02:00.000Z"></span>That "article was better before" template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-That_"article_was_better_before"_template-2016-12-21T20:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Linguist111-2016-12-21T20:02:00.000Z-That_"article_was_better_before"_template"></span>Where is the template that says, "Thank you for your edit. However, I undid it because I believe the article was better before you made that edit.", the one that is put on a user talk page after a reversion of a good-faith edit with Huggle or STiki? Is it only available with Huggle/STiki? <a href="/wiki/User:Linguist111" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Linguist111"><span style="color:lightblue;"><b>Linguist</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Linguist111" title="User talk:Linguist111"><sup><span style="color:darkblue;">Moi?</span></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Linguist111" title="Special:Contributions/Linguist111"><small><span style="color:darkgreen;">Moi.</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Linguist111-2016-12-21T20:02:00.000Z-That_"article_was_better_before"_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 21 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Linguist111-2016-12-21T20:02:00.000Z-That_"article_was_better_before"_template"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Linguist111-2016-12-21T20:02:00.000Z-That_"article_was_better_before"_template"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_of_Reading-2016-12-21T21:33:00.000Z-Linguist111-2016-12-21T20:02:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Linguist111" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Linguist111">Linguist111</a>:</span> That must be <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-gfrevert" title="Template:Uw-gfrevert">Uw-gfrevert</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> -- <a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_of_Reading" title="User talk:John of Reading">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-John_of_Reading-2016-12-21T21:33:00.000Z-Linguist111-2016-12-21T20:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 21 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_of_Reading-2016-12-21T21:33:00.000Z-Linguist111-2016-12-21T20:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_of_Reading-2016-12-21T21:33:00.000Z-Linguist111-2016-12-21T20:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Linguist111-2016-12-21T21:35:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2016-12-21T21:33:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a>:</span> Ah, thank you. I was wondering if it should be added to the project page and to Twinkle, would be very useful. <a href="/wiki/User:Linguist111" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Linguist111"><span style="color:lightblue;"><b>Linguist</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Linguist111" title="User talk:Linguist111"><sup><span style="color:darkblue;">Moi?</span></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Linguist111" title="Special:Contributions/Linguist111"><small><span style="color:darkgreen;">Moi.</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Linguist111-2016-12-21T21:35:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2016-12-21T21:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 21 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Linguist111-2016-12-21T21:35:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2016-12-21T21:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Linguist111-2016-12-21T21:35:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2016-12-21T21:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template-protected_edit_request_on_Template:Uw-uhblock" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_Template:Uw-uhblock-2016-12-29T01:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_Template:Uw-uhblock-2016-12-29T01:56:00.000Z"></span>Template-protected edit request on <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-uhblock" title="Template:Uw-uhblock">Template:Uw-uhblock</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_Template:Uw-uhblock-2016-12-29T01:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-208.110.210.81-2016-12-29T01:56:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_Template:Uw-uhblock"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-uhblock" title="Template:Uw-uhblock">Template:Uw-uhblock</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Would you change "the chosen username is a clear violation" to "the chosen username is a blatant violation"? Blatant is a more vivid word than clear. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/208.110.210.81" title="Special:Contributions/208.110.210.81">208.110.210.81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:208.110.210.81" title="User talk:208.110.210.81">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-208.110.210.81-2016-12-29T01:56:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_Template:Uw-uhblock" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 29 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-208.110.210.81-2016-12-29T01:56:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_Template:Uw-uhblock"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-208.110.210.81-2016-12-29T01:56:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_Template:Uw-uhblock"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-2016-12-29T02:30:00.000Z-208.110.210.81-2016-12-29T01:56:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/30px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62"/></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> please establish a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a> for this alteration <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">before</a></b> using the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_template-protected" title="Template:Edit template-protected">edit template-protected</a>}}</code> template. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Primefac-2016-12-29T02:30:00.000Z-208.110.210.81-2016-12-29T01:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 29 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-2016-12-29T02:30:00.000Z-208.110.210.81-2016-12-29T01:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-2016-12-29T02:30:00.000Z-208.110.210.81-2016-12-29T01:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_modification_to_code_on_Template:Uw-username" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_modification_to_code_on_Template:Uw-username-2016-12-31T00:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_modification_to_code_on_Template:Uw-username-2016-12-31T00:29:00.000Z"></span>Request modification to code on <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-username" title="Template:Uw-username">Template:Uw-username</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_modification_to_code_on_Template:Uw-username-2016-12-31T00:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beeblebrox-2016-12-31T00:29:00.000Z-Request_modification_to_code_on_Template:Uw-username"></span>I don't think it is appropriate that this template can be posted without providing an explanation of the problem. This will only confuse newbies. If you can't take the time to explain your concerns then your concerns probably aren't valid. Currently, if you don't provide a reason, a box pops up asking the user who <i>received</i> the warning to track down the user who left it and ask them to explain. That's just wrong. The burden is on the one doing the warning to clearly explain their reasoning, so I'd like to see this modified in some way to force the warning user to add a specific reason. <a href="/wiki/User:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Beeblebrox">Beeblebrox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Beeblebrox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Beeblebrox-2016-12-31T00:29:00.000Z-Request_modification_to_code_on_Template:Uw-username" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:29, 31 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beeblebrox-2016-12-31T00:29:00.000Z-Request_modification_to_code_on_Template:Uw-username"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beeblebrox-2016-12-31T00:29:00.000Z-Request_modification_to_code_on_Template:Uw-username"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ramaksoud2000-2016-12-31T09:10:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2016-12-31T00:29:00.000Z"></span>I support this, although I don't know how one can force the user to enter a reason. Maybe the box can be modified to be more attention-grabbing to the user who places it, and can indicate that messages without a reason should be disregarded? <a href="/wiki/User:Ramaksoud2000" title="User:Ramaksoud2000">Ramaksoud2000</a> <sup>(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ramaksoud2000" title="User talk:Ramaksoud2000">Talk to me</a></b>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Ramaksoud2000-2016-12-31T09:10:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2016-12-31T00:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:10, 31 December 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ramaksoud2000-2016-12-31T09:10:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2016-12-31T00:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ramaksoud2000-2016-12-31T09:10:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2016-12-31T00:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2017-01-01T14:43:00.000Z-Ramaksoud2000-2016-12-31T09:10:00.000Z"></span>That's a nice and simple fix: adding "disregard this"--that would definitely force the warner to choose an option.</dd> <dd>I notice that the template lacks any arguments in the first place, they are all custom fields. The template could be coded to accept parameters for each clause (misleading, disruptive, promotional, shared use and confusing). Putting the promotional argument would add the clause "Because we have a policy against usernames which give the impression that the account represents a group, organization or website" and so on. Then, we could edit the template to "default" to the first argument in case nothing is supplied; another way to encourage the warner to choose a valid option. <a href="/wiki/User:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User:Ugog Nizdast">Ugog Nizdast</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ugog_Nizdast" title="User talk:Ugog Nizdast">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Ugog_Nizdast-2017-01-01T14:43:00.000Z-Ramaksoud2000-2016-12-31T09:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:43, 1 January 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2017-01-01T14:43:00.000Z-Ramaksoud2000-2016-12-31T09:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ugog_Nizdast-2017-01-01T14:43:00.000Z-Ramaksoud2000-2016-12-31T09:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Linguist111-2017-01-01T15:06:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2017-01-01T14:43:00.000Z"></span>I think that would be good. <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-uall" title="Template:Uw-uall">uw-uall</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> contains those; I was thinking maybe we could merge the two templates. <a href="/wiki/User:Linguist111" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Linguist111"><span style="color:lightblue;"><b>Linguist</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Linguist111" title="User talk:Linguist111"><sup><span style="color:darkblue;">Moi?</span></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Linguist111" title="Special:Contributions/Linguist111"><small><span style="color:darkgreen;">Moi.</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Linguist111-2017-01-01T15:06:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2017-01-01T14:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 1 January 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Linguist111-2017-01-01T15:06:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2017-01-01T14:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Linguist111-2017-01-01T15:06:00.000Z-Ugog_Nizdast-2017-01-01T14:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Autobiography_CSD_notice" data-mw-thread-id="h-Autobiography_CSD_notice-2017-01-16T10:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Autobiography_CSD_notice-2017-01-16T10:38:00.000Z"></span>Autobiography CSD notice<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Autobiography_CSD_notice-2017-01-16T10:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FriyMan-2017-01-16T10:38:00.000Z-Autobiography_CSD_notice"></span>I saw quite a few user pages, that are a full on autobiography. Can someone help me develop a CSD template for autobiographic articles? <a href="/wiki/User:FriyMan" title="User:FriyMan"><span style="color:#000000;"><b>Friy</b></span><span style="color:#FFA500;"><b>Man</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:FriyMan" title="User talk:FriyMan"><sup>talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-FriyMan-2017-01-16T10:38:00.000Z-Autobiography_CSD_notice" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:38, 16 January 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FriyMan-2017-01-16T10:38:00.000Z-Autobiography_CSD_notice"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FriyMan-2017-01-16T10:38:00.000Z-Autobiography_CSD_notice"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:FriyMan" title="User:FriyMan"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2017-01-16T12:49:00.000Z-FriyMan-2017-01-16T10:38:00.000Z"></span>FriyMan</a>: Among <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">grounds for speedy deletion</a> we have <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:U5" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:U5">U5. Blatant misuse of Wikipedia as a web host</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G11" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G11">G11. Unambiguous advertising or promotion</a> for use in cases where those apply. If you want to propose extending the grounds for speedy you would have to open a discussion, perhaps <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" title="Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion">here</a>; but it seems to me that this would be unlikely to succeed, as we do <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UPYES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UPYES">tell users</a> that they can have "limited autobiographical content" on their user pages, and what is meant by "limited" of course is up for interpretation<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2017-01-16T12:49:00.000Z-FriyMan-2017-01-16T10:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 16 January 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2017-01-16T12:49:00.000Z-FriyMan-2017-01-16T10:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2017-01-16T12:49:00.000Z-FriyMan-2017-01-16T10:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-01-16T21:24:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-01-16T12:49:00.000Z"></span>What Noyster said. Also, we do not concern ourselves with CSD templates here: this page concerns warning templates that are intended for use on <i>user talk</i> pages. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Redrose64-2017-01-16T21:24:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-01-16T12:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 16 January 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-01-16T21:24:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-01-16T12:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-01-16T21:24:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-01-16T12:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removing_warnings" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removing_warnings-2017-02-01T18:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removing_warnings-2017-02-01T18:07:00.000Z"></span>Removing warnings<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removing_warnings-2017-02-01T18:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Apollo_The_Logician" title="User:Apollo The Logician"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZLEA-2017-02-01T18:07:00.000Z-Removing_warnings"></span>User:Apollo The Logician</a> keeps removing warnings from his talk page, what do I do? - <a href="/wiki/User:ZLEA" title="User:ZLEA">ZLEA </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZLEA" title="User talk:ZLEA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-ZLEA-2017-02-01T18:07:00.000Z-Removing_warnings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:07, 1 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZLEA-2017-02-01T18:07:00.000Z-Removing_warnings"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZLEA-2017-02-01T18:07:00.000Z-Removing_warnings"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Apollo_The_Logician-2017-02-01T18:10:00.000Z-ZLEA-2017-02-01T18:07:00.000Z"></span>I remove everything from my talk page. Look at the page history. <a href="/wiki/User:Apollo_The_Logician" title="User:Apollo The Logician">Apollo The Logician</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Apollo_The_Logician" title="User talk:Apollo The Logician">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Apollo_The_Logician-2017-02-01T18:10:00.000Z-ZLEA-2017-02-01T18:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:10, 1 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Apollo_The_Logician-2017-02-01T18:10:00.000Z-ZLEA-2017-02-01T18:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Apollo_The_Logician-2017-02-01T18:10:00.000Z-ZLEA-2017-02-01T18:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_of_Reading-2017-02-01T18:12:00.000Z-ZLEA-2017-02-01T18:07:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ZLEA" title="User:ZLEA">ZLEA</a>:</span> This is fine; see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OWNTALK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OWNTALK">WP:OWNTALK</a> for the guideline. -- <a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_of_Reading" title="User talk:John of Reading">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-John_of_Reading-2017-02-01T18:12:00.000Z-ZLEA-2017-02-01T18:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_of_Reading-2017-02-01T18:12:00.000Z-ZLEA-2017-02-01T18:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_of_Reading-2017-02-01T18:12:00.000Z-ZLEA-2017-02-01T18:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZLEA-2017-02-01T18:24:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2017-02-01T18:12:00.000Z"></span>OK - <a href="/wiki/User:ZLEA" title="User:ZLEA">ZLEA </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZLEA" title="User talk:ZLEA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-ZLEA-2017-02-01T18:24:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2017-02-01T18:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:24, 1 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZLEA-2017-02-01T18:24:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2017-02-01T18:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZLEA-2017-02-01T18:24:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2017-02-01T18:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Warning_for_creating_infobox-only_articles?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Warning_for_creating_infobox-only_articles?-2017-02-07T09:03:00.000Z"><span id="Warning_for_creating_infobox-only_articles.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Warning_for_creating_infobox-only_articles?-2017-02-07T09:03:00.000Z"></span>Warning for creating infobox-only articles?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Warning_for_creating_infobox-only_articles?-2017-02-07T09:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PamD-2017-02-07T09:03:00.000Z-Warning_for_creating_infobox-only_articles?"></span>There's discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#A12_-_Articles_with_No_Text" title="Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion">Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#A12_-_Articles_with_No_Text</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Infobox-Only_Articles_.28yet_again.29" title="Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion">Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Infobox-Only_Articles_.28yet_again.29</a> suggesting that articles created with no text, just an infobox, should have their own criterion for Speedy Deletion. An alternative view is that editors who create such articles should be warned that it's unacceptable, with the normal set of increasing warnings so that they can be blocked if they ignore the advice/warning. It's suggested that this is a technique used by some spammers to insert a set of promotional articles "below the radar" - see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Huawei_Mate_S" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Huawei Mate S">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Huawei Mate S</a>. </p><p>I would like to see a set of user warnings for editors who create articles with no text. It's unacceptable, because a lead sentence is essential for readers who search either in Google or in Wikipedia and see a list of search results: it's also essential because this is an encyclopedia of text articles, not a database of infoboxes. </p><p>I've <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shahidul_Hasan_Roman#February_2017" title="User talk:Shahidul Hasan Roman"> warned</a> an editor today using "disruptive editing" (after a longer freeformat message, and adding a text expansion), but had to go back and edit the template message to remove "and has been reverted". I suppose it could be considered to come under <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-create1" title="Template:Uw-create1">uw-create1</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, but that gives no indication to the editor as to why their page "may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for new pages", and in particular that here it's the format of the page, not the topic, which does not conform. </p><p>Any thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span style="color: green"><i><b>Pam</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PamD" title="User talk:PamD"><span style="color: brown"><i><b>D</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PamD-2017-02-07T09:03:00.000Z-Warning_for_creating_infobox-only_articles?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:03, 7 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PamD-2017-02-07T09:03:00.000Z-Warning_for_creating_infobox-only_articles?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PamD-2017-02-07T09:03:00.000Z-Warning_for_creating_infobox-only_articles?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?" data-mw-thread-id="h-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?-2017-02-02T07:04:00.000Z"><span id="RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?-2017-02-02T07:04:00.000Z"></span>RfC: Should we use different icons in the templates?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?-2017-02-02T07:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2017-02-12T16:48:00.000Z-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1250141580">.mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#EDEAFF;color:inherit;padding:0 0.6em;border:1px solid #8779DD}.mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#c3c3c3;color:inherit;text-align:center;font-size:110%;font-weight:bold}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#181424;border:1px solid #8072d6;color:#fff}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#141126;color:#fff}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#181424;border:1px solid #8072d6;color:#fff}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#141126;color:#fff}}@media(min-width:640px){.mw-parser-output .archive-top-result{width:30%}}</style><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk" style=""><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235681985">.mw-parser-output .side-box{margin:4px 0;box-sizing:border-box;border:1px solid #aaa;font-size:88%;line-height:1.25em;background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);display:flow-root}.mw-parser-output .side-box-abovebelow,.mw-parser-output .side-box-text{padding:0.25em 0.9em}.mw-parser-output .side-box-image{padding:2px 0 2px 0.9em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .side-box-imageright{padding:2px 0.9em 2px 0;text-align:center}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .side-box-flex{display:flex;align-items:center}.mw-parser-output .side-box-text{flex:1;min-width:0}}@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .side-box{width:238px}.mw-parser-output .side-box-right{clear:right;float:right;margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .side-box-left{margin-right:1em}}</style><div class="side-box metadata side-box-right archive-top-result" style="padding: 10px; line-height: inherit;"> <div class="side-box-flex"> <div class="side-box-text" style="padding: 0;">This appears to be leading nowhere and the proposer's IP range has now been <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/JordanBaumann1211" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JordanBaumann1211">blocked</a><a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2017-02-12T16:48:00.000Z-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 12 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2017-02-12T16:48:00.000Z-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2017-02-12T16:48:00.000Z-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?"></span></div></div> </div> <div class="boilerplate-header" style="margin-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic;"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:BD05:3D62:D52B:48AF-2017-02-02T07:04:00.000Z-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?"></span>The following discussion is closed. <strong style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</strong> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. </p> </div> <hr/> <p>Should the template icons in user talk namespace be changed as follows: </p> <ul><li>Warnings, Multi or single level <ul><li><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" title="File:Information.svg">Information</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/30px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/45px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/60px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> becomes <a href="/wiki/File:Information_icon4.svg" title="File:Information icon4.svg">Information icon4</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information_icon4.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></a></span> or <a href="/wiki/File:Information_icon4.svg" title="File:Information icon4.svg">Ambox notice</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information_icon4.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></a></span></li> <li><a href="/wiki/File:Information_orange.svg" title="File:Information orange.svg">Information orange</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information_orange.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f0/Information_orange.svg/30px-Information_orange.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f0/Information_orange.svg/45px-Information_orange.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f0/Information_orange.svg/60px-Information_orange.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> becomes <a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_important.svg" title="File:Ambox important.svg">Ambox important</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_important.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Ambox_important.svg/30px-Ambox_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Ambox_important.svg/45px-Ambox_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Ambox_important.svg/60px-Ambox_important.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="40" data-file-height="40"/></a></span></li> <li><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_important.svg" title="File:Nuvola apps important.svg">Nuvola apps important</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_important.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/30px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/45px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Nuvola_apps_important.svg/60px-Nuvola_apps_important.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="500"/></a></span> becomes <a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_warning_pn.svg" title="File:Ambox warning pn.svg">Ambox warning pn</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_warning_pn.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/30px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/45px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/60px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></a></span></li> <li><a href="/wiki/File:Stop_hand_nuvola.svg" title="File:Stop hand nuvola.svg">Stop hand nuvola</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Stop_hand_nuvola.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg/30px-Stop_hand_nuvola.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg/45px-Stop_hand_nuvola.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg/60px-Stop_hand_nuvola.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="240" data-file-height="240"/></a></span> becomes <a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_octogon_stop.svg" title="File:Ambox octogon stop.svg">Ambox octogon stop</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_octagon_stop.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Ambox_octagon_stop.svg/30px-Ambox_octagon_stop.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Ambox_octagon_stop.svg/45px-Ambox_octagon_stop.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Ambox_octagon_stop.svg/60px-Ambox_octagon_stop.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="56" data-file-height="56"/></a></span></li></ul></li> <li>Block templates <ul><li><a href="/wiki/File:Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg" title="File:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg">Stop x nuvola with clock</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg/30px-Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg/45px-Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg/60px-Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="212" data-file-height="211"/></a></span> becomes <a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_outdated_delete.svg" title="File:Ambox outdated delete.svg">Ambox outdated delete</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_outdated_delete.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Ambox_outdated_delete.svg/30px-Ambox_outdated_delete.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="28" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Ambox_outdated_delete.svg/45px-Ambox_outdated_delete.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Ambox_outdated_delete.svg/60px-Ambox_outdated_delete.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="610" data-file-height="567"/></a></span></li> <li><a href="/wiki/File:Stop_x_nuvola.svg" title="File:Stop x nuvola.svg">Stop x nuvola</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Stop_x_nuvola.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/42/Stop_x_nuvola.svg/30px-Stop_x_nuvola.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/42/Stop_x_nuvola.svg/45px-Stop_x_nuvola.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/42/Stop_x_nuvola.svg/60px-Stop_x_nuvola.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="240" data-file-height="240"/></a></span> becomes <a href="/wiki/File:Octagon_delete.svg" title="File:Octagon delete.svg">Octagon delete</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Octagon_delete.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Octagon_delete.svg/30px-Octagon_delete.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Octagon_delete.svg/45px-Octagon_delete.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Octagon_delete.svg/60px-Octagon_delete.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="56" data-file-height="56"/></a></span></li></ul></li></ul> <p>Those templates wth icons outside the proposed changes may be left as is. </p><p>Pleaase show your stance using <b>SUPPORT</b>, <b>NEUTRAL</b>, or <b>OPPOSE</b>. Anyone is welcome to this discussion. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:8003:30B2:1100:BD05:3D62:D52B:48AF" title="Special:Contributions/2001:8003:30B2:1100:BD05:3D62:D52B:48AF">2001:8003:30B2:1100:BD05:3D62:D52B:48AF</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2001:8003:30B2:1100:BD05:3D62:D52B:48AF&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2001:8003:30B2:1100:BD05:3D62:D52B:48AF (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:BD05:3D62:D52B:48AF-2017-02-02T07:04:00.000Z-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:04, 2 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:BD05:3D62:D52B:48AF-2017-02-02T07:04:00.000Z-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:BD05:3D62:D52B:48AF-2017-02-02T07:04:00.000Z-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2017-02-02T10:47:00.000Z-2001:8003:30B2:1100:BD05:3D62:D52B:48AF-2017-02-02T07:04:00.000Z"></span>If you could link us to the images you propose to change from and to, and say where there has been any case made that changes are desirable, there might be more chance that comments will be offered<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2017-02-02T10:47:00.000Z-2001:8003:30B2:1100:BD05:3D62:D52B:48AF-2017-02-02T07:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:47, 2 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2017-02-02T10:47:00.000Z-2001:8003:30B2:1100:BD05:3D62:D52B:48AF-2017-02-02T07:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2017-02-02T10:47:00.000Z-2001:8003:30B2:1100:BD05:3D62:D52B:48AF-2017-02-02T07:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:E830:5CBD:C1C7:D1F9-2017-02-02T19:50:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T10:47:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">Noyster</a>:</span> <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> – Could you please show your stance as well as making the suggestion? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:8003:30B2:1100:E830:5CBD:C1C7:D1F9" title="Special:Contributions/2001:8003:30B2:1100:E830:5CBD:C1C7:D1F9">2001:8003:30B2:1100:E830:5CBD:C1C7:D1F9</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2001:8003:30B2:1100:E830:5CBD:C1C7:D1F9&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2001:8003:30B2:1100:E830:5CBD:C1C7:D1F9 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:E830:5CBD:C1C7:D1F9-2017-02-02T19:50:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T10:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 2 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:E830:5CBD:C1C7:D1F9-2017-02-02T19:50:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T10:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:E830:5CBD:C1C7:D1F9-2017-02-02T19:50:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T10:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Survey" data-mw-thread-id="h-Survey-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?-2017-02-03T04:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Survey-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?-2017-02-03T04:24:00.000Z"></span>Survey<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Survey-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?-2017-02-03T04:24:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T04:24:00.000Z-Survey"></span>Support</b> - matches changes made to the cleanup templates around 9 to 6 years ago. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KATMAKROFAN&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KATMAKROFAN (page does not exist)">KATMAKROFAN</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:KATMAKROFAN&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:KATMAKROFAN (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T04:24:00.000Z-Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:24, 3 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T04:24:00.000Z-Survey"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T04:24:00.000Z-Survey"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T04:27:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T04:24:00.000Z"></span>However, I would prefer it if <s><a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_outdated_serious.svg" title="File:Ambox outdated serious.svg">this</a></s> <a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_outdated_delete.svg" title="File:Ambox outdated delete.svg">this</a> was used for temporary blocks and <a href="/wiki/File:Octagon_delete.svg" title="File:Octagon delete.svg">this</a> for indef blocks. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KATMAKROFAN&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KATMAKROFAN (page does not exist)">KATMAKROFAN</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:KATMAKROFAN&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:KATMAKROFAN (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T04:27:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T04:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:27, 3 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T04:27:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T04:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T04:27:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T04:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-1.129.97.82-2017-02-03T07:14:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T04:27:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KATMAKROFAN&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KATMAKROFAN (page does not exist)">KATMAKROFAN</a>:</span> I would have chosen that image if there was a version of it with the clock. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/1.129.97.82" title="Special:Contributions/1.129.97.82">1.129.97.82</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:1.129.97.82" title="User talk:1.129.97.82">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-1.129.97.82-2017-02-03T07:14:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T04:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:14, 3 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-1.129.97.82-2017-02-03T07:14:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T04:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-1.129.97.82-2017-02-03T07:14:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T04:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T16:29:00.000Z-1.129.97.82-2017-02-03T07:14:00.000Z"></span>I have made a request at the Commons Graphic Lab for a version to be made with the clock. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KATMAKROFAN&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KATMAKROFAN (page does not exist)">KATMAKROFAN</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:KATMAKROFAN&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:KATMAKROFAN (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T16:29:00.000Z-1.129.97.82-2017-02-03T07:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 3 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T16:29:00.000Z-1.129.97.82-2017-02-03T07:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T16:29:00.000Z-1.129.97.82-2017-02-03T07:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-10T16:21:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T16:29:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KATMAKROFAN&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KATMAKROFAN (page does not exist)">KATMAKROFAN</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:KATMAKROFAN&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:KATMAKROFAN (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-10T16:21:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T16:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 10 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-10T16:21:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T16:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-10T16:21:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-03T16:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:71C3:D013:8924:CE3E-2017-02-10T19:46:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-10T16:21:00.000Z"></span>Ok, I've changed the RfC statement and hopefully the change has made the images consistent. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:8003:30B2:1100:71C3:D013:8924:CE3E" title="Special:Contributions/2001:8003:30B2:1100:71C3:D013:8924:CE3E">2001:8003:30B2:1100:71C3:D013:8924:CE3E</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2001:8003:30B2:1100:71C3:D013:8924:CE3E" title="User talk:2001:8003:30B2:1100:71C3:D013:8924:CE3E">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:71C3:D013:8924:CE3E-2017-02-10T19:46:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-10T16:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:46, 10 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:71C3:D013:8924:CE3E-2017-02-10T19:46:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-10T16:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:71C3:D013:8924:CE3E-2017-02-10T19:46:00.000Z-KATMAKROFAN-2017-02-10T16:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jytdog-2017-02-10T20:18:00.000Z-Survey"></span>Oppose</b> "it is old" is not a reason to change things. the current icons work fine.<a href="/wiki/User:Jytdog" title="User:Jytdog">Jytdog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jytdog" title="User talk:Jytdog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Jytdog-2017-02-10T20:18:00.000Z-Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 10 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jytdog-2017-02-10T20:18:00.000Z-Survey"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jytdog-2017-02-10T20:18:00.000Z-Survey"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2017-02-12T06:52:00.000Z-Survey"></span>Oppose</b> I can't see any persuasive reason to change them. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Mr._Stradivarius-2017-02-12T06:52:00.000Z-Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:52, 12 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2017-02-12T06:52:00.000Z-Survey"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2017-02-12T06:52:00.000Z-Survey"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:99FD:B2E0:966E:4FA5-2017-02-12T10:38:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2017-02-12T06:52:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius">Mr. Stradivarius</a>:</span> Why do you oppose to this proposal? I do respect your opinion, however I thought it would add a bit more clarity if you would explain why. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:8003:30B2:1100:99FD:B2E0:966E:4FA5" title="Special:Contributions/2001:8003:30B2:1100:99FD:B2E0:966E:4FA5">2001:8003:30B2:1100:99FD:B2E0:966E:4FA5</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2001:8003:30B2:1100:99FD:B2E0:966E:4FA5" title="User talk:2001:8003:30B2:1100:99FD:B2E0:966E:4FA5">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:99FD:B2E0:966E:4FA5-2017-02-12T10:38:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2017-02-12T06:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:38, 12 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:99FD:B2E0:966E:4FA5-2017-02-12T10:38:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2017-02-12T06:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:99FD:B2E0:966E:4FA5-2017-02-12T10:38:00.000Z-Mr._Stradivarius-2017-02-12T06:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2017-02-12T11:25:00.000Z-2001:8003:30B2:1100:99FD:B2E0:966E:4FA5-2017-02-12T10:38:00.000Z"></span>Well, what reason is there to change them? I can't see any, other than your comment below (I presume it's yours) saying "I think it's time to change them up a little", and I agree with Jytdog that that reason isn't a particularly good one. — <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius"><span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span></a></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User talk:Mr. Stradivarius">♪ talk ♪</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Mr._Stradivarius-2017-02-12T11:25:00.000Z-2001:8003:30B2:1100:99FD:B2E0:966E:4FA5-2017-02-12T10:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:25, 12 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2017-02-12T11:25:00.000Z-2001:8003:30B2:1100:99FD:B2E0:966E:4FA5-2017-02-12T10:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2017-02-12T11:25:00.000Z-2001:8003:30B2:1100:99FD:B2E0:966E:4FA5-2017-02-12T10:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Threaded_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Threaded_discussion-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?-2017-02-04T05:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Threaded_discussion-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?-2017-02-04T05:43:00.000Z"></span>Threaded discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Threaded_discussion-RfC:_Should_we_use_different_icons_in_the_templates?-2017-02-04T05:43:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dustin_V._S.-2017-02-04T05:43:00.000Z-Threaded_discussion"></span>Would you please elaborate on why these changes are desirable? I see nothing wrong with either the current set or the one you grouped together. <a href="/wiki/User:Dustin_V._S." class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dustin V. S."><span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman"><i>Dustin</i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dustin_V._S." class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Dustin V. S.">(<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman">talk</span>)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Dustin_V._S.-2017-02-04T05:43:00.000Z-Threaded_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:43, 4 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dustin_V._S.-2017-02-04T05:43:00.000Z-Threaded_discussion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dustin_V._S.-2017-02-04T05:43:00.000Z-Threaded_discussion"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:9CF5:CFC3:6970:4DE8-2017-02-05T02:29:00.000Z-Dustin_V._S.-2017-02-04T05:43:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Master_of_Time" title="User:Master of Time">Master of Time</a>:</span> I grouped this one together because we have had the current set for many years. I think it's time to change them up a little. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:8003:30B2:1100:9CF5:CFC3:6970:4DE8" title="Special:Contributions/2001:8003:30B2:1100:9CF5:CFC3:6970:4DE8">2001:8003:30B2:1100:9CF5:CFC3:6970:4DE8</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2001:8003:30B2:1100:9CF5:CFC3:6970:4DE8&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2001:8003:30B2:1100:9CF5:CFC3:6970:4DE8 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:9CF5:CFC3:6970:4DE8-2017-02-05T02:29:00.000Z-Dustin_V._S.-2017-02-04T05:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:29, 5 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:9CF5:CFC3:6970:4DE8-2017-02-05T02:29:00.000Z-Dustin_V._S.-2017-02-04T05:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2001:8003:30B2:1100:9CF5:CFC3:6970:4DE8-2017-02-05T02:29:00.000Z-Dustin_V._S.-2017-02-04T05:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="uw-unsourced1_explanation_of_WP:BURDEN" data-mw-thread-id="h-uw-unsourced1_explanation_of_WP:BURDEN-2017-02-02T11:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-uw-unsourced1_explanation_of_WP:BURDEN-2017-02-02T11:27:00.000Z"></span>uw-unsourced1 explanation of WP:BURDEN<span data-mw-comment-end="h-uw-unsourced1_explanation_of_WP:BURDEN-2017-02-02T11:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-McGeddon-2017-02-02T11:27:00.000Z-uw-unsourced1_explanation_of_WP:BURDEN"></span>Is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-unsourced1&diff=761102699&oldid=717805731">this recent edit</a> to uw-unsourced1 (adding <i>"Please note that the verifiability policy mandates that unsourced material that has been challenged, such as by a "fact" tag, or by its removal, may no be added back without a reliable, published source being cited for the content, using an inline citation. The cited source must clearly support the material as presented in the article, and the burden is on the person wishing to keep in the disputed material."</i>) too heavy-handed and jargon-heavy for a good faith level-1 warning? It seems like uw-unsourced2 would be a better place for this. --<a href="/wiki/User:McGeddon" class="mw-redirect" title="User:McGeddon">McGeddon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:McGeddon" title="User talk:McGeddon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-McGeddon-2017-02-02T11:27:00.000Z-uw-unsourced1_explanation_of_WP:BURDEN" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 2 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-McGeddon-2017-02-02T11:27:00.000Z-uw-unsourced1_explanation_of_WP:BURDEN"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-McGeddon-2017-02-02T11:27:00.000Z-uw-unsourced1_explanation_of_WP:BURDEN"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2017-02-02T13:54:00.000Z-McGeddon-2017-02-02T11:27:00.000Z"></span>I'd agree this is a bit much for what will often be a new editor's first-ever message from a Wikipedian. The previous version conveyed the essential message OK. This new version seems more appropriate for a second notice <i>after</i> someone has re-added the information again without a source. Surely such major changes to much-used templates should be put up for discussion before implementing<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2017-02-02T13:54:00.000Z-McGeddon-2017-02-02T11:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 2 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2017-02-02T13:54:00.000Z-McGeddon-2017-02-02T11:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2017-02-02T13:54:00.000Z-McGeddon-2017-02-02T11:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2017-02-09T12:26:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T13:54:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Fuhghettaboutit" title="User:Fuhghettaboutit">Fuhghettaboutit</a>:</span> Would you like to comment here?<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2017-02-09T12:26:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T13:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:26, 9 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2017-02-09T12:26:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T13:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2017-02-09T12:26:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T13:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fuhghettaboutit-2017-02-09T13:31:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-09T12:26:00.000Z"></span>Hey guys. How can we have a warning for a matter where we don't explain the most fundamental basics of the matter at issue? The first level warning is given usually in relation to a removal. At that point the person, by bedrock policy, cannot place the content back unless they meet the policy, which requires that they do so in a particular way. In my view it's a great disservice not to tell a person what just happened, what it means, and how to address it – which before this this content was added, we did not provide and so the person would not know. The result was that people in response to the template (unless somehow divining this information from somewhere else), would violate policy, in ignorance (because we did not arm them with knowledge), and be reverted again. That is a very bad result. The prior message did not "convey the basic message OK". All it said was you did not provide a reliable source. Okay, so the person reads the warning comes back and adds a reliable source, <i>as a general reference</i>or as an <i>embedded link</i>, or even with an inline citation but not to one that directly supported the material (which is fairly common) or some other invalid way and then is reverted again, because they were not armed with the information to know what was required of them.--<a href="/wiki/User:Fuhghettaboutit" title="User:Fuhghettaboutit">Fuhghettaboutit</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fuhghettaboutit" title="User talk:Fuhghettaboutit">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Fuhghettaboutit-2017-02-09T13:31:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-09T12:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:31, 9 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fuhghettaboutit-2017-02-09T13:31:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-09T12:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fuhghettaboutit-2017-02-09T13:31:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-09T12:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2017-02-10T13:16:00.000Z-Fuhghettaboutit-2017-02-09T13:31:00.000Z"></span>I take the points about explaining more precisely what the editor needs to do, and can go along with firming up "published", "clearly supports" and "inline citation". But could we make it less ... <i>litigious</i>? These will commonly be brand-new editors who had no idea about any sourcing requirements, because Wikipedia takes no steps to prepare them <i>before</i> they begin editing. I really, <i>really</i> don't think we need to throw all this about "challenge" and "burden" at them. Not at this first stage. That can be kept in reserve in case they either do the same again or start a dispute. May I propose: <dl><dd><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">I noticed that you made a change to an article... but you didn't provide a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources">reliable source</a>. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now. If you wish to add the material again please <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources" title="Wikipedia:Citing sources">include a citation</a> to a reliable, published source that directly supports the material, using an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Inline_citation" title="Wikipedia:Inline citation">inline citation</a>. If you need guidance on referencing...</q></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2017-02-10T13:16:00.000Z-Fuhghettaboutit-2017-02-09T13:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 10 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2017-02-10T13:16:00.000Z-Fuhghettaboutit-2017-02-09T13:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2017-02-10T13:16:00.000Z-Fuhghettaboutit-2017-02-09T13:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-McGeddon-2017-02-13T17:26:00.000Z-uw-unsourced1_explanation_of_WP:BURDEN"></span>(Given that the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-unsourced1&diff=717805731&oldid=717795008">preceding edit</a> pointed out that the template wording had been "chosen after testing by the WMF", I think we should go back to the original wording until a clear consensus on the best wording can be reached here. I'll revert that now.) --<a href="/wiki/User:McGeddon" class="mw-redirect" title="User:McGeddon">McGeddon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:McGeddon" title="User talk:McGeddon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-McGeddon-2017-02-13T17:26:00.000Z-uw-unsourced1_explanation_of_WP:BURDEN" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 13 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-McGeddon-2017-02-13T17:26:00.000Z-uw-unsourced1_explanation_of_WP:BURDEN"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-McGeddon-2017-02-13T17:26:00.000Z-uw-unsourced1_explanation_of_WP:BURDEN"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You_may_be_blocked?" data-mw-thread-id="h-You_may_be_blocked?-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z"><span id="You_may_be_blocked.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You_may_be_blocked?-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z"></span>You <i>may</i> be blocked?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You_may_be_blocked?-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gamebuster19901-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z-You_may_be_blocked?"></span>I'm proposing that the phrase "<i>you may be blocked</i>" to "<i>you will be blocked</i>" in all warnings that are level 3 or above. All of the level 3 and above templates are designed for people that persist after their first few warnings, so there is no reason to phrase it so nicely. Also, saying "<i>you may be blocked</i>" might give the impression that they <i>may</i> be blocked if the continue, but they <i>may</i> not. </p><p>Basically, I propose that: </p><p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Stop_hand_nuvola.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Stop icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg/30px-Stop_hand_nuvola.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg/45px-Stop_hand_nuvola.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg/60px-Stop_hand_nuvola.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="240" data-file-height="240"/></a></span> This is your <b>only warning</b>; if you <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism" title="Wikipedia:Vandalism">vandalize</a> Wikipedia again, as you did at <a href="/wiki/Example" class="mw-disambig" title="Example">Example</a>, you <b>will be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocked from editing</a> without further notice</b>. </p><p>Would be more effective than: </p><p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Stop_hand_nuvola.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Stop icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg/30px-Stop_hand_nuvola.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg/45px-Stop_hand_nuvola.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg/60px-Stop_hand_nuvola.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="240" data-file-height="240"/></a></span> This is your <b>only warning</b>; if you <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism" title="Wikipedia:Vandalism">vandalize</a> Wikipedia again, as you did at <a href="/wiki/Example" class="mw-disambig" title="Example">Example</a>, you may be <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocked from editing</a> without further notice</b>. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Gamebuster19901" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Gamebuster19901">Gamebuster19901</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gamebuster19901" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Gamebuster19901">(Talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gamebuster19901" title="Special:Contributions/Gamebuster19901">Contributions)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Gamebuster19901-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z-You_may_be_blocked?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 2 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gamebuster19901-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z-You_may_be_blocked?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gamebuster19901-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z-You_may_be_blocked?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dan_Koehl-2017-02-02T18:01:00.000Z-Gamebuster19901-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z"></span>Agree. It IS a warning, and should as such, be serious, straightforward and easy to understand. <a href="/wiki/User:Dan_Koehl" title="User:Dan Koehl">Dan Koehl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dan_Koehl" title="User talk:Dan Koehl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Dan_Koehl-2017-02-02T18:01:00.000Z-Gamebuster19901-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 2 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dan_Koehl-2017-02-02T18:01:00.000Z-Gamebuster19901-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dan_Koehl-2017-02-02T18:01:00.000Z-Gamebuster19901-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mortee-2017-02-02T20:01:00.000Z-Gamebuster19901-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z"></span>Partial agree. I'd be OK with 'will' for level 4 but think 'may' should be used for level 3. Otherwise an L4 warning will look inconsistent with the previous L3 one. Perhaps I'm myself being inconsistent though, given the existence of uw-vandalism4im... <a href="/wiki/User:Mortee" title="User:Mortee">Mortee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mortee" title="User talk:Mortee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Mortee-2017-02-02T20:01:00.000Z-Gamebuster19901-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 2 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mortee-2017-02-02T20:01:00.000Z-Gamebuster19901-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mortee-2017-02-02T20:01:00.000Z-Gamebuster19901-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z-Gamebuster19901-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z"></span>"May" is the most these templates can say, because the final call is with the administrator who picks up the <i>next</i> report of an offence if there is one. That admin may judge, for instance, that lower-level warnings should have been given first, or that the editor is normally a valuable contributor and the offence just not serious enough for a block. They have this discretion and don't want to find their hands apparently tied by the editor having been told "you <i>will</i> be blocked"<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z-Gamebuster19901-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 2 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z-Gamebuster19901-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z-Gamebuster19901-2017-02-02T16:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilCat-2017-02-02T21:25:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z"></span>I concur with Noyster. Furthermore, if the user is not blocked, it lessens the impact of any further warnings, which all say "you <i>will</i> be blocked", but they haven't been. This was one reason that "will" was changed to "may" several years ago. - <a href="/wiki/User:BilCat" title="User:BilCat">BilCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilCat" title="User talk:BilCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-BilCat-2017-02-02T21:25:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 2 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilCat-2017-02-02T21:25:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilCat-2017-02-02T21:25:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dustin_V._S.-2017-02-04T05:30:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z"></span>I agree that "may" is more appropriate than "will" for multiple reasons. There is no need to use a verb claiming a more "absolute" outcome. The final call is with an administrator. <a href="/wiki/User:Dustin_V._S." class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dustin V. S."><span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman"><i>Dustin</i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dustin_V._S." class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Dustin V. S.">(<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman">talk</span>)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Dustin_V._S.-2017-02-04T05:30:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:30, 4 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dustin_V._S.-2017-02-04T05:30:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dustin_V._S.-2017-02-04T05:30:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jytdog-2017-02-09T10:28:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z"></span>Yep, I would never use one that said "will" as I cannot make happen. If folks wanted to make an admin-only template that said "will" that would be fine by me. (turn it up to 11!) <a href="/wiki/User:Jytdog" title="User:Jytdog">Jytdog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jytdog" title="User talk:Jytdog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Jytdog-2017-02-09T10:28:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:28, 9 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jytdog-2017-02-09T10:28:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jytdog-2017-02-09T10:28:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Exemplo347-2017-02-21T22:23:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z"></span>I'd be hesitant to use a template that said "will" rather than "may" - it could be taken as a threat by our thinner-skinned newbie editors. <a href="/wiki/User:Exemplo347" title="User:Exemplo347">Exemplo347</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Exemplo347" title="User talk:Exemplo347">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Exemplo347-2017-02-21T22:23:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 21 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Exemplo347-2017-02-21T22:23:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Exemplo347-2017-02-21T22:23:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-02T20:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Uw-hasty" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Uw-hasty-2017-02-21T22:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Uw-hasty-2017-02-21T22:20:00.000Z"></span>Template:Uw-hasty<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Uw-hasty-2017-02-21T22:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Exemplo347-2017-02-21T22:20:00.000Z-Template:Uw-hasty"></span>Greetings. I'm here to suggest that the following text is removed from <b>Template:Uw-hasty</b> as there is no policy, guideline or consensus that backs it up - <i>"It is also suggested that pages that might meet CSD A7 criteria not be tagged for deletion immediately after they are created."</i> While there <i>may</i> have been a consensus for this in the past - indeed, someone once told me that it was <i>policy</i> and when I asked for evidence, linked me to a section of the CSD page that didn't exist - there's no current reason for the inclusion of this sentence, other than the opinion of the editor who added it. Regards <a href="/wiki/User:Exemplo347" title="User:Exemplo347">Exemplo347</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Exemplo347" title="User talk:Exemplo347">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Exemplo347-2017-02-21T22:20:00.000Z-Template:Uw-hasty" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 21 February 2017 (UTC)</a></s><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Exemplo347-2017-02-21T22:20:00.000Z-Template:Uw-hasty"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Exemplo347-2017-02-21T22:20:00.000Z-Template:Uw-hasty"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Exemplo347-2017-02-22T12:13:00.000Z-Template:Uw-hasty"></span>Striking all of this, I'm just going to make the change myself. If anyone wants to re-add this sentence, the burden is on them to back up their changes with a policy or guideline, or a link to an RfC discussion showing consensus. Otherwise, as I said, it's just some random editor's personal opinion which has no place in a template. Regards <a href="/wiki/User:Exemplo347" title="User:Exemplo347">Exemplo347</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Exemplo347" title="User talk:Exemplo347">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Exemplo347-2017-02-22T12:13:00.000Z-Template:Uw-hasty" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Exemplo347-2017-02-22T12:13:00.000Z-Template:Uw-hasty"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Exemplo347-2017-02-22T12:13:00.000Z-Template:Uw-hasty"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Creating_Templates" data-mw-thread-id="h-Creating_Templates-2017-02-26T00:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Creating_Templates-2017-02-26T00:40:00.000Z"></span>Creating Templates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Creating_Templates-2017-02-26T00:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Morphdog-2017-02-26T00:40:00.000Z-Creating_Templates"></span>I have an idea for a UW template which I would like to create. Is there a proper method for doing this? </p><p>One of the things I've noticed is that people make good faith edits, but they violate policy or are grammatically incorrect and I would like to make a template for that (if one doesn't exist already and I've checked). Such edits don't count as disruptive editing or vandalism.<a href="/wiki/User:Morphdog" title="User:Morphdog">Morphdog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Morphdog" title="User talk:Morphdog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Morphdog-2017-02-26T00:40:00.000Z-Creating_Templates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:40, 26 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Morphdog-2017-02-26T00:40:00.000Z-Creating_Templates"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Morphdog-2017-02-26T00:40:00.000Z-Creating_Templates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beeblebrox-2017-02-26T00:49:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T00:40:00.000Z"></span>Despite its name, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-vandalism1" title="Template:Uw-vandalism1">uw-vandalism1</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is appropriate in a lot of these type of situations. <a href="/wiki/User:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Beeblebrox">Beeblebrox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Beeblebrox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Beeblebrox-2017-02-26T00:49:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T00:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 26 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beeblebrox-2017-02-26T00:49:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T00:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beeblebrox-2017-02-26T00:49:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T00:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Morphdog-2017-02-26T02:34:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2017-02-26T00:49:00.000Z"></span>Well, the idea is that I don't want to accuse someone of being a vandal who made their edits in good faith but either used poor grammar or put their edit in a place where it doesn't belong, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BITE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BITE">since that tends to drive away newcomers</a>. Anyways, if I wanted to make a template in the future that specifically deals with user warnings, what I would need to do? <a href="/wiki/User:Morphdog" title="User:Morphdog">Morphdog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Morphdog" title="User talk:Morphdog">t</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Morphdog" title="Special:Contributions/Morphdog">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Morphdog-2017-02-26T02:34:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2017-02-26T00:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:34, 26 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Morphdog-2017-02-26T02:34:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2017-02-26T00:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Morphdog-2017-02-26T02:34:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2017-02-26T00:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beeblebrox-2017-02-26T02:42:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T02:34:00.000Z"></span>I would suggest creating it in your sandbox, you can use code form the existing templates and write whatever you want, but I would suggest adding a link here when you're done so you can get feedback on it before moving it to template space. <a href="/wiki/User:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Beeblebrox">Beeblebrox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Beeblebrox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Beeblebrox-2017-02-26T02:42:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T02:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:42, 26 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beeblebrox-2017-02-26T02:42:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T02:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beeblebrox-2017-02-26T02:42:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T02:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Morphdog-2017-02-26T05:30:00.000Z-Creating_Templates"></span>Here is the template I have created. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Morphdog/sandbox/uw-good-faith&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Morphdog/sandbox/uw-good-faith (page does not exist)">User:Morphdog/sandbox/uw-good-faith</a>. Everything seems to work well. If yall make changes/improvements to it please tell me. If I don't get anything within a couple of days or so I'll add to template namespace. <a href="/wiki/User:Morphdog" title="User:Morphdog">Morphdog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Morphdog" title="User talk:Morphdog">t</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Morphdog" title="Special:Contributions/Morphdog">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Morphdog-2017-02-26T05:30:00.000Z-Creating_Templates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:30, 26 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Morphdog-2017-02-26T05:30:00.000Z-Creating_Templates"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Morphdog-2017-02-26T05:30:00.000Z-Creating_Templates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2017-02-26T18:33:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T05:30:00.000Z"></span>Appreciate the effort you have made <a href="/wiki/User:Morphdog" title="User:Morphdog">Morphdog</a>, but I'm not yet convinced of the real need for a new template. <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-vandalism1" title="Template:Uw-vandalism1">uw-vandalism1</a>}}</code> doesn't actually call anyone a vandal, merely saying that their edit "did not appear to be constructive", and provides for optional additional text in a similar way to yours. For many common types of problem edits we already have specific messages such as <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-npov1" title="Template:Uw-npov1">uw-npov1</a>}}</code>, <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-nor1" title="Template:Uw-nor1">uw-nor1</a>}}</code> or <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-unsourced1" title="Template:Uw-unsourced1">uw-unsourced1</a>}}</code>; using these saves us having to explain the problem in our own words. I'd add that if the problem is just spelling or grammar, provided the meaning is clear I prefer to correct it rather than revert<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2017-02-26T18:33:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T05:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 26 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2017-02-26T18:33:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T05:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2017-02-26T18:33:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T05:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beeblebrox-2017-02-26T19:21:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-26T18:33:00.000Z"></span>I tend to agree, it seems the only real difference here is explicitly saying "good faith" and bringing up the MOS. Grammar and spelling issues should be fixed, not reverted, if the edit is otherwise proper and made in good faith. And the MOS isn't something that we should expect very new users to be aware of and is not really binding anyway. <a href="/wiki/User:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Beeblebrox">Beeblebrox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Beeblebrox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Beeblebrox-2017-02-26T19:21:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-26T18:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 26 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beeblebrox-2017-02-26T19:21:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-26T18:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beeblebrox-2017-02-26T19:21:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-02-26T18:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Morphdog-2017-02-26T20:40:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T05:30:00.000Z"></span>Alright, I'll just leave it in user namespace for now in case I need it. <a href="/wiki/User:Morphdog" title="User:Morphdog">Morphdog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Morphdog" title="User talk:Morphdog">t</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Morphdog" title="Special:Contributions/Morphdog">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Morphdog-2017-02-26T20:40:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T05:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 26 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Morphdog-2017-02-26T20:40:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T05:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Morphdog-2017-02-26T20:40:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T05:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Morphdog-2017-02-27T01:49:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T20:40:00.000Z"></span>Just to clarify (not necessarily nominating this template for re-consideration), the point of the template was to notify users when an edit has been reverted, modified, or moved to bring it up to Wikipedia standards (the current templates for npov, nor, and unsourced assume that the edit has been reverted, and these are not the only reasons one might revert a non-malicious edit.) The reason I made it because I see a lot of edits in rc that aren't vandalism, but just don't meet the standards for an encyclopedia + doesn't deal with the content of the edit (the most common issue I see is grammar or spelling, so that's why I put it in), and I would like to let the user know of this and what I did in a professional manner.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Sure, being able to copy + paste a template for whatever issue an article has is useful, but more often than not (unless it is obvious vandalism) it can confuse the editor (this has happened to me), and also if the user knows that UW templates exist, it might make them feel like the person who reverted their edit didn't bother to take the time to write anything out. <b>This is definitely not objective, and it does depend on the user. Just something I see happening :)</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Morphdog" title="User:Morphdog">Morphdog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Morphdog" title="User talk:Morphdog">t</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Morphdog" title="Special:Contributions/Morphdog">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Morphdog-2017-02-27T01:49:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T20:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:49, 27 February 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Morphdog-2017-02-27T01:49:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T20:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Morphdog-2017-02-27T01:49:00.000Z-Morphdog-2017-02-26T20:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template-protected_edit_request_on_19_March_2017" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_19_March_2017-2017-03-19T18:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_19_March_2017-2017-03-19T18:18:00.000Z"></span>Template-protected edit request on 19 March 2017<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_19_March_2017-2017-03-19T18:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-19T18:18:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_19_March_2017"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-block" title="Template:Uw-block">Template:Uw-block</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Please add "in addition, ..." for the talk page access has been revoked. <a href="/wiki/User:UpsandDowns1234" class="mw-redirect" title="User:UpsandDowns1234"><span style="font-family: sans-serif;"><span style="color:green;">Ups</span>and<span style="color:red;">Downs</span>1234</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-19T18:18:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_19_March_2017" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 19 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-19T18:18:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_19_March_2017"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-19T18:18:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_19_March_2017"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Train2104-2017-03-19T18:33:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-19T18:18:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Done</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:Train2104" title="User:Train2104">Train2104</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Train2104" title="User talk:Train2104">t</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Train2104" title="Special:Contributions/Train2104">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Train2104-2017-03-19T18:33:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-19T18:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 19 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Train2104-2017-03-19T18:33:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-19T18:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Train2104-2017-03-19T18:33:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-19T18:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Icons_should_be_more_modern" data-mw-thread-id="h-Icons_should_be_more_modern-2017-03-08T21:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Icons_should_be_more_modern-2017-03-08T21:20:00.000Z"></span>Icons should be more modern<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Icons_should_be_more_modern-2017-03-08T21:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-08T21:20:00.000Z-Icons_should_be_more_modern"></span>I believe the icons used for block/ban/etc. should have a <a href="/wiki/Flat_design" title="Flat design">flat design</a> because it looks nicer. Maybe they would look nicer? </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:UpsandDowns1234" class="mw-redirect" title="User:UpsandDowns1234">UpsandDowns1234</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UpsandDowns1234" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:UpsandDowns1234">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-08T21:20:00.000Z-Icons_should_be_more_modern" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 8 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-08T21:20:00.000Z-Icons_should_be_more_modern"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-08T21:20:00.000Z-Icons_should_be_more_modern"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-03-08T21:44:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-08T21:20:00.000Z"></span>Not a good reason. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder: it's subjective. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Redrose64-2017-03-08T21:44:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-08T21:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:44, 8 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-03-08T21:44:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-08T21:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-03-08T21:44:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-08T21:20:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Morphdog-2017-03-20T03:08:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-08T21:20:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:UpsandDowns1234" class="mw-redirect" title="User:UpsandDowns1234">UpsandDowns1234</a>:</span> What would this look like? <a href="/wiki/User:Morphdog" title="User:Morphdog">Morphdog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Morphdog" title="User talk:Morphdog">t</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Morphdog" title="Special:Contributions/Morphdog">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Morphdog-2017-03-20T03:08:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-08T21:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:08, 20 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Morphdog-2017-03-20T03:08:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-08T21:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Morphdog-2017-03-20T03:08:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-08T21:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Regarding_Template:Uw-block/doc/Block_templates" data-mw-thread-id="h-Regarding_Template:Uw-block/doc/Block_templates-2017-03-22T06:23:00.000Z"><span id="Regarding_Template:Uw-block.2Fdoc.2FBlock_templates"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Regarding_Template:Uw-block/doc/Block_templates-2017-03-22T06:23:00.000Z"></span>Regarding <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-block/doc/Block_templates" title="Template:Uw-block/doc/Block templates">Template:Uw-block/doc/Block templates</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Regarding_Template:Uw-block/doc/Block_templates-2017-03-22T06:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-22T06:23:00.000Z-Regarding_Template:Uw-block/doc/Block_templates"></span>This template seems very difficult to edit. How do I add stuff to it? <a href="/wiki/User:UpsandDowns1234" class="mw-redirect" title="User:UpsandDowns1234"><span style="font-family: sans-serif;"><span style="color:green;">Ups</span>and<span style="color:red;">Downs</span>1234</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-22T06:23:00.000Z-Regarding_Template:Uw-block/doc/Block_templates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:23, 22 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-22T06:23:00.000Z-Regarding_Template:Uw-block/doc/Block_templates"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-22T06:23:00.000Z-Regarding_Template:Uw-block/doc/Block_templates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-03-22T11:13:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-22T06:23:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:UpsandDowns1234" class="mw-redirect" title="User:UpsandDowns1234">UpsandDowns1234</a>:</span> Do you mean <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-block/doc/Block_templates&diff=771560445&oldid=736948061">these edits</a></span>? What exactly are you trying to achieve? --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Redrose64-2017-03-22T11:13:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-22T06:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:13, 22 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-03-22T11:13:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-22T06:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-03-22T11:13:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-22T06:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-22T18:21:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-03-22T11:13:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a>:</span> No. I was told that BASEPAGENAME was deprecated, so I changed it. I am trying to add a sandbox block template to this block category, and it is not showing up. Why is this? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:UpsandDowns1234" class="mw-redirect" title="User:UpsandDowns1234">UpsandDowns1234</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UpsandDowns1234#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:UpsandDowns1234">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UpsandDowns1234" title="Special:Contributions/UpsandDowns1234">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-22T18:21:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-03-22T11:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 22 March 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-22T18:21:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-03-22T11:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-22T18:21:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-03-22T11:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-03-23T00:38:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-22T18:21:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:UpsandDowns1234" class="mw-redirect" title="User:UpsandDowns1234">UpsandDowns1234</a>:</span> Who told you that it was deprecated? It isn't as far as I am aware, and indeed, <span class="nowrap"><code>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</code></span> can do some things that <span class="nowrap"><code>{{PAGENAME}}</code></span> cannot. For example, stripping off a subpage name: <ul><li><span class="nowrap"><code>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</code></span> → Template index/User talk namespace</li> <li><span class="nowrap"><code>{{PAGENAME}}</code></span> → Template index/User talk namespace/Archive 15</li></ul></dd> <dd>When used on a page that isn't a subpage, there is no difference. But when used on a subpage (like this one), <span class="nowrap"><code>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</code></span> tells us what the immediate parent page is - to go further, if used on <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-block/doc/Block_templates" title="Template:Uw-block/doc/Block templates">Template:Uw-block/doc/Block templates</a>, it would emit Uw-block/doc. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Redrose64-2017-03-23T00:38:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-22T18:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:38, 23 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-03-23T00:38:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-22T18:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-03-23T00:38:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-22T18:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-23T03:05:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-03-23T00:38:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a>:</span> See <a href="/wiki/Template:BASEPAGENAME" title="Template:BASEPAGENAME">Template:BASEPAGENAME</a> for more info. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:UpsandDowns1234" class="mw-redirect" title="User:UpsandDowns1234">UpsandDowns1234</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UpsandDowns1234#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:UpsandDowns1234">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UpsandDowns1234" title="Special:Contributions/UpsandDowns1234">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-23T03:05:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-03-23T00:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:05, 23 March 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-23T03:05:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-03-23T00:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-23T03:05:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-03-23T00:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JJMC89-2017-03-23T04:25:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-23T03:05:00.000Z"></span>The magic word (<span class="nowrap"><code>{{<a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/BASEPAGENAME" class="extiw" title="mw:BASEPAGENAME">BASEPAGENAME</a>}}</code></span>) is being used, not the template (<code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:BASEPAGENAME" title="Template:BASEPAGENAME">BASEPAGENAME</a>}}</code>). — <a href="/wiki/User:JJMC89" title="User:JJMC89">JJMC89</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JJMC89" title="User talk:JJMC89">T</a><b>·</b><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJMC89" title="Special:Contributions/JJMC89">C</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-JJMC89-2017-03-23T04:25:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-23T03:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 23 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JJMC89-2017-03-23T04:25:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-23T03:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JJMC89-2017-03-23T04:25:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-03-23T03:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-03-23T11:30:00.000Z-JJMC89-2017-03-23T04:25:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:UpsandDowns1234" class="mw-redirect" title="User:UpsandDowns1234">UpsandDowns1234</a>:</span> The difference is in the way that you provide a parameter. If no parameters are used, i.e. <span class="nowrap"><code>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</code></span>, it <i>looks</i> like a template but what you are actually using is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VAR">the magic word</a>, and this is as it is supposed to be. The difference becomes apparent when a parameter is provided. In my previous post, I used the example of <ul><li><span class="nowrap"><code>{{BASEPAGENAME:Template:Uw-block/doc/Block templates}}</code></span> → Uw-block/doc</li></ul></dd> <dd>Notice that there are two colons; and in this case, the magic word is being used as it is with <span class="nowrap"><code>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</code></span> used alone. Compare this: <ul><li><span class="nowrap"><code>{{BASEPAGENAME|Template:Uw-block/doc/Block templates}}</code></span> → Uw-block/doc</li></ul></dd> <dd>This one uses a pipe instead of the first colon, and so it doesn't use the magic word - instead it uses the template. The output appears to be the same, but this form puts the page into <a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_which_use_a_template_in_place_of_a_magic_word" title="Category:Pages which use a template in place of a magic word">Category:Pages which use a template in place of a magic word</a>.</dd> <dd>It is the form that uses a pipe (instead of a colon) to precede the parameter which is deprecated; the magic word itself is not deprecated. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Redrose64-2017-03-23T11:30:00.000Z-JJMC89-2017-03-23T04:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:30, 23 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-03-23T11:30:00.000Z-JJMC89-2017-03-23T04:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-03-23T11:30:00.000Z-JJMC89-2017-03-23T04:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_request_April_2017" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_request_April_2017-2017-04-08T23:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_request_April_2017-2017-04-08T23:46:00.000Z"></span>Edit request April 2017<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_request_April_2017-2017-04-08T23:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mark_Schierbecker-2017-04-08T23:46:00.000Z-Edit_request_April_2017"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Please change "E-mail" to "Email" on <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-ublock" title="Template:Uw-ublock">Template:Uw-ublock</a>. The side bar text changed to "Email this user" a few years ago. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mark_Schierbecker&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mark Schierbecker (page does not exist)">Mark Schierbecker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mark_Schierbecker" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Mark Schierbecker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Mark_Schierbecker-2017-04-08T23:46:00.000Z-Edit_request_April_2017" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 8 April 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mark_Schierbecker-2017-04-08T23:46:00.000Z-Edit_request_April_2017"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mark_Schierbecker-2017-04-08T23:46:00.000Z-Edit_request_April_2017"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Izno-2017-04-09T00:54:00.000Z-Mark_Schierbecker-2017-04-08T23:46:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/18px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/27px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/36px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Not done</b></span> The actual template of interest if <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-ublock/procedure" title="Template:Uw-ublock/procedure">Template:Uw-ublock/procedure</a>, which is not edit protected. Feel free to make the change yourself. --<a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Izno-2017-04-09T00:54:00.000Z-Mark_Schierbecker-2017-04-08T23:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:54, 9 April 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Izno-2017-04-09T00:54:00.000Z-Mark_Schierbecker-2017-04-08T23:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Izno-2017-04-09T00:54:00.000Z-Mark_Schierbecker-2017-04-08T23:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mark_Schierbecker-2017-04-09T00:59:00.000Z-Izno-2017-04-09T00:54:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mark_Schierbecker&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mark Schierbecker (page does not exist)">Mark Schierbecker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mark_Schierbecker" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Mark Schierbecker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Mark_Schierbecker-2017-04-09T00:59:00.000Z-Izno-2017-04-09T00:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 9 April 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mark_Schierbecker-2017-04-09T00:59:00.000Z-Izno-2017-04-09T00:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mark_Schierbecker-2017-04-09T00:59:00.000Z-Izno-2017-04-09T00:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_to_inform_user_about_using_bare_URLs_in_citations?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_to_inform_user_about_using_bare_URLs_in_citations?-2017-04-25T08:42:00.000Z"><span id="Template_to_inform_user_about_using_bare_URLs_in_citations.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_to_inform_user_about_using_bare_URLs_in_citations?-2017-04-25T08:42:00.000Z"></span>Template to inform user about using bare URLs in citations?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_to_inform_user_about_using_bare_URLs_in_citations?-2017-04-25T08:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rystheguy-2017-04-25T08:42:00.000Z-Template_to_inform_user_about_using_bare_URLs_in_citations?"></span>I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask about this, but I was just wondering if there is any template that can be used to inform users about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Link_rot" title="Wikipedia:Link rot">WP:Link rot</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Bare_URLs" title="Wikipedia:Bare URLs">WP:Bare URLs</a>. I haven't been able to find anything and was considering creating one, but wanted some feedback first. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks, <span style="text-shadow:black 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; font-family: georgia"><a href="/wiki/User:Rystheguy" title="User:Rystheguy"><span style="color:#00e500">Ry's the Guy</span></a></span> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rystheguy" title="User talk:Rystheguy">talk</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rystheguy" title="Special:Contributions/Rystheguy">contribs</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Rystheguy-2017-04-25T08:42:00.000Z-Template_to_inform_user_about_using_bare_URLs_in_citations?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:42, 25 April 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rystheguy-2017-04-25T08:42:00.000Z-Template_to_inform_user_about_using_bare_URLs_in_citations?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rystheguy-2017-04-25T08:42:00.000Z-Template_to_inform_user_about_using_bare_URLs_in_citations?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2017-04-25T12:54:00.000Z-Rystheguy-2017-04-25T08:42:00.000Z"></span>Using bare URLs in refs is not a crime. Such people are going at least <i>some</i> of the way to satisfying <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a>, which is more than can be said for a lot of people who add content. --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Redrose64-2017-04-25T12:54:00.000Z-Rystheguy-2017-04-25T08:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:54, 25 April 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2017-04-25T12:54:00.000Z-Rystheguy-2017-04-25T08:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2017-04-25T12:54:00.000Z-Rystheguy-2017-04-25T08:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rystheguy-2017-04-25T13:00:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-04-25T12:54:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the reply, <a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64">Redrose64</a>. I assumed that was the reason a template didn't already exist. I guess I wasn't really thinking of it being worded as a warning, but rather as a way to help someone improve their editing, and that it would particularly useful for those who create a lot of content and consistently use bare URLs. Anyways, perhaps it's not necessary to create a template, I just thought it would be faster than writing a friendly dyk on their talk page as I have in the past. Thanks again, <span style="text-shadow:black 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; font-family: georgia"><a href="/wiki/User:Rystheguy" title="User:Rystheguy"><span style="color:#00e500">Ry's the Guy</span></a></span> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rystheguy" title="User talk:Rystheguy">talk</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rystheguy" title="Special:Contributions/Rystheguy">contribs</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Rystheguy-2017-04-25T13:00:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-04-25T12:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:00, 25 April 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rystheguy-2017-04-25T13:00:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-04-25T12:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rystheguy-2017-04-25T13:00:00.000Z-Redrose64-2017-04-25T12:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_space_indexing_message_(Uw-userspacenoindex)" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_space_indexing_message_(Uw-userspacenoindex)-2017-05-01T11:31:00.000Z"><span id="User_space_indexing_message_.28Uw-userspacenoindex.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_space_indexing_message_(Uw-userspacenoindex)-2017-05-01T11:31:00.000Z"></span>User space indexing message (Uw-userspacenoindex)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_space_indexing_message_(Uw-userspacenoindex)-2017-05-01T11:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2017-05-01T11:31:00.000Z-User_space_indexing_message_(Uw-userspacenoindex)"></span>In line with the recent closure of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2017_April_22#Template:Uw-userspacenoindex" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 April 22">TfD discussion</a> as "keep but rewrite", I have drafted a revision of <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-userspacenoindex" title="Template:Uw-userspacenoindex">Uw-userspacenoindex</a>}}</code>. The wording is intended to better reflect the current position whereby userspace is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Controlling_search_engine_indexing#Namespace_control" title="Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing">"noindexed" by default</a>. A user page is now indexed only if the user has added code to override the default. If we remove this code, the template message may be used to explain to the user what we have done. </p><p>The revised version of the template message may be viewed <a href="/wiki/User:Noyster/sandbox/indexing_template" title="User:Noyster/sandbox/indexing template">here</a>. Would anyone interested please offer comments<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2017-05-01T11:31:00.000Z-User_space_indexing_message_(Uw-userspacenoindex)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:31, 1 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2017-05-01T11:31:00.000Z-User_space_indexing_message_(Uw-userspacenoindex)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2017-05-01T11:31:00.000Z-User_space_indexing_message_(Uw-userspacenoindex)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drewmutt-2017-06-27T02:19:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-05-01T11:31:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">Noyster</a>:</span> Well, I'm a bit late to the party, but I had some feedback on the verbiage, I get the intent of the change, but I thought it was really important to keep the part about it being promotional in there, as there's no rule forbidding people responsibly using INDEX. Just a thought. <a href="/wiki/User:Drewmutt" title="User:Drewmutt">Drewmutt</a> <span style="color:#01B0F0;letter-spacing:-2px">(</span><span style="color:#FF358B">^ᴥ^</span><span style="color:#01B0F0;letter-spacing:-2px">)</span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drewmutt" title="User talk:Drewmutt"><span style="color:#F2813D;font-size:10px">talk</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Drewmutt-2017-06-27T02:19:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-05-01T11:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:19, 27 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drewmutt-2017-06-27T02:19:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-05-01T11:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drewmutt-2017-06-27T02:19:00.000Z-Noyster-2017-05-01T11:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_talk_warning_template_for_the_'taking_over'/hijacking_of_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_talk_warning_template_for_the_'taking_over'/hijacking_of_articles-2017-05-09T03:01:00.000Z"><span id="User_talk_warning_template_for_the_.27taking_over.27.2Fhijacking_of_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_talk_warning_template_for_the_'taking_over'/hijacking_of_articles-2017-05-09T03:01:00.000Z"></span>User talk warning template for the 'taking over'/hijacking of articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_talk_warning_template_for_the_'taking_over'/hijacking_of_articles-2017-05-09T03:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:01:00.000Z-User_talk_warning_template_for_the_'taking_over'/hijacking_of_articles"></span>While patrolling for vandalism in the past couple of days, I have run into a few counts of IP users essentially 'taking over'/hijacking (replacing all content with unrelated material) articles and so I developed a warning template for this with the help of <a href="/wiki/User:Mz7" title="User:Mz7">Mz7</a>, which can be seen <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TheSandDoctor/Article_takeover_warning&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TheSandDoctor/Article takeover warning (page does not exist)">here</a>. I was wondering what your thoughts on the warning template are (I am open to suggestions on improving it). I think it could potentially be a good addition to Twinkle (as at least a single one time warning/general notice), if you agree could you please help me get it in Twinkle? Thank you for your time. --<a href="/wiki/User:TheSandDoctor" title="User:TheSandDoctor">TheSandDoctor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheSandDoctor" title="User talk:TheSandDoctor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:01:00.000Z-User_talk_warning_template_for_the_'taking_over'/hijacking_of_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:01, 9 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:01:00.000Z-User_talk_warning_template_for_the_'taking_over'/hijacking_of_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:01:00.000Z-User_talk_warning_template_for_the_'taking_over'/hijacking_of_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Murph9000-2017-05-09T03:12:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:01:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TheSandDoctor" title="User:TheSandDoctor">TheSandDoctor</a>:</span> No objection to a new template to better cover yet another specific case. From what I've seen, that type of thing is frequently promo / spam, so I tend to be satisfied to just hit them with one of those or generic vandalism. Perhaps your case is different to what I'm thinking of? <a href="/wiki/User:Murph9000" title="User:Murph9000"><span style="color:white;background-color:purple;padding:0.1em 0.1em 0.1em 1em;">Murph</span><span style="color:white;background-color:black;padding:0.1em 1em 0.1em 0.1em;">9000</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Murph9000" title="User talk:Murph9000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Murph9000-2017-05-09T03:12:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 9 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Murph9000-2017-05-09T03:12:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Murph9000-2017-05-09T03:12:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:17:00.000Z-Murph9000-2017-05-09T03:12:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Murph9000" title="User:Murph9000">Murph9000</a>:</span> Thanks for the response. The cases I have dealt with were the multiple times that <a href="/wiki/Kanya" class="mw-redirect" title="Kanya">Kanya</a> and <a href="/wiki/Allan_Granger" title="Allan Granger">Allan Granger</a> were taken over and re-purposed for totally unrelated things over a series of edits. In the case of <a href="/wiki/Kanya" class="mw-redirect" title="Kanya">Kanya</a> it was from multiple IPs that resulted in page protection. In the case of <a href="/wiki/Allan_Granger" title="Allan Granger">Allan Granger</a> an IP that engaged in the behaviour in the other article linked did it and it resulted in the IP being temp banned instead. A full discussion of this with <a href="/wiki/User:Mz7" title="User:Mz7">Mz7</a> can be found on their talk page <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mz7#Article_takeover" title="User talk:Mz7">here</a> (I linked section). Do you have any idea how this template could be added as an option to Twinkle? Additionally (although only semi related) do you think it would serve better to be located within the template namespace or? Hopefully this answers your question and hopefully I haven't asked too many questions in return haha. If it hasn't please feel free to clarify/let me know. --<a href="/wiki/User:TheSandDoctor" title="User:TheSandDoctor">TheSandDoctor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheSandDoctor" title="User talk:TheSandDoctor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:17:00.000Z-Murph9000-2017-05-09T03:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:17, 9 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:17:00.000Z-Murph9000-2017-05-09T03:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:17:00.000Z-Murph9000-2017-05-09T03:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Murph9000-2017-05-09T03:39:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:17:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TheSandDoctor" title="User:TheSandDoctor">TheSandDoctor</a>:</span> Ahh, ok, that sounds like a more subtle case than I was thinking of, so probably worthwhile to give it a more targeted message. The case I was thinking of is where they just blunder in and quite unsubtly splat their advertorial over an existing article in more or less a single edit, where the standard vandal / promo templates are basically sufficient. Yes, if it's for general use, it should be something like <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-takeover&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Uw-takeover (page does not exist)">Template:Uw-takeover</a> (take your pick of a name, no number on it when it's a single issue message), copy the documentation wrapper, doc subpage, and the like from one of the existing UW templates (for the specific formatting, mix of noincludes, includeonlys, magic template incantations, etc). It should also be added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UWT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UWT">WP:UWT</a>. You can add it to TW for your own use by adding it as a custom warning in prefs. To get it added to the base TW config, I guess request that over at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:TW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:TW">WT:TW</a>. That's assuming that it's generally cool to be bold here (I don't see why not, but I'm sure you know how it can go sometimes). If any of the complex template stuff needs help, do ask. <a href="/wiki/User:Murph9000" title="User:Murph9000"><span style="color:white;background-color:purple;padding:0.1em 0.1em 0.1em 1em;">Murph</span><span style="color:white;background-color:black;padding:0.1em 1em 0.1em 0.1em;">9000</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Murph9000" title="User talk:Murph9000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Murph9000-2017-05-09T03:39:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:39, 9 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Murph9000-2017-05-09T03:39:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Murph9000-2017-05-09T03:39:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:53:00.000Z-Murph9000-2017-05-09T03:39:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Murph9000" title="User:Murph9000">Murph9000</a>:</span> It was definitely 'sneaky' vandalism that I probably would not have caught (at least as easy) without Huggle. It is for general use (<a href="/wiki/User:Mz7" title="User:Mz7">Mz7</a> helped set it up as such). I have moved it to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-takeover&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Uw-takeover (page does not exist)">Template:Uw-takeover</a>. I will add it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UWT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UWT">WP:UWT</a>. I did not know that I could add my own custom warnings to my Twinkle - I shall do that now, thanks! I will also file something at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:TW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:TW">WT:TW</a>. Thanks for your help! --<a href="/wiki/User:TheSandDoctor" title="User:TheSandDoctor">TheSandDoctor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheSandDoctor" title="User talk:TheSandDoctor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:53:00.000Z-Murph9000-2017-05-09T03:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:53, 9 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:53:00.000Z-Murph9000-2017-05-09T03:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:53:00.000Z-Murph9000-2017-05-09T03:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:55:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:53:00.000Z"></span>Which section in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UWT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UWT">WP:UWT</a> (single level templates) do you think it is best suited for <a href="/wiki/User:Murph9000" title="User:Murph9000">Murph9000</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:TheSandDoctor" title="User:TheSandDoctor">TheSandDoctor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheSandDoctor" title="User talk:TheSandDoctor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:55:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:55, 9 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:55:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:55:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Murph9000-2017-05-09T04:11:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:55:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TheSandDoctor" title="User:TheSandDoctor">TheSandDoctor</a>:</span> Well, it feels more like a "warning" than a "notice" / "advisory" to me, and you've chosen the warning icon. Single-level warnings seems like the obvious table to me. <a href="/wiki/User:Murph9000" title="User:Murph9000"><span style="color:white;background-color:purple;padding:0.1em 0.1em 0.1em 1em;">Murph</span><span style="color:white;background-color:black;padding:0.1em 1em 0.1em 0.1em;">9000</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Murph9000" title="User talk:Murph9000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Murph9000-2017-05-09T04:11:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:11, 9 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Murph9000-2017-05-09T04:11:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Murph9000-2017-05-09T04:11:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T03:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T04:16:00.000Z-Murph9000-2017-05-09T04:11:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Murph9000" title="User:Murph9000">Murph9000</a>:</span> That would make simply too much sense, now wouldn't it? (haha). <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> I will let you know when I have posted it on the twinkle page --<a href="/wiki/User:TheSandDoctor" title="User:TheSandDoctor">TheSandDoctor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheSandDoctor" title="User talk:TheSandDoctor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T04:16:00.000Z-Murph9000-2017-05-09T04:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:16, 9 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T04:16:00.000Z-Murph9000-2017-05-09T04:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T04:16:00.000Z-Murph9000-2017-05-09T04:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T04:28:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T04:16:00.000Z"></span>Discussion has been posted and can be found <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Twinkle#Inquiry_about_having_a_new_single_issue_warning_template_listed_in_Twinkle" title="Wikipedia talk:Twinkle">here</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Murph9000" title="User:Murph9000">Murph9000</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Mz7" title="User:Mz7">Mz7</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:TheSandDoctor" title="User:TheSandDoctor">TheSandDoctor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheSandDoctor" title="User talk:TheSandDoctor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T04:28:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T04:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:28, 9 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T04:28:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T04:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T04:28:00.000Z-TheSandDoctor-2017-05-09T04:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disruptive_editing_or_vandalism?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disruptive_editing_or_vandalism?-2017-05-17T04:52:00.000Z"><span id="Disruptive_editing_or_vandalism.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disruptive_editing_or_vandalism?-2017-05-17T04:52:00.000Z"></span>Disruptive editing or vandalism?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disruptive_editing_or_vandalism?-2017-05-17T04:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Codename_Lisa-2017-05-17T04:52:00.000Z-Disruptive_editing_or_vandalism?"></span>Hi. </p><p>I've recently got stuck in far too much vandalism-related meta-discussions to fail to notice this. The template <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-vandalism3" title="Template:Uw-vandalism3">uw-vandalism3</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> reads: </p> <blockquote><p>Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing.</p></blockquote> <p>However, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing" title="Wikipedia:Disruptive editing">disruptive editing is not vandalism, though vandalism is disruptive</a>. This would be a minor issue if the first link didn't just go to an article that is not about what this warning is sent. </p><p>Any objections to fixing this? </p><p>Best regards,<br/><a href="/wiki/User:Codename_Lisa" title="User:Codename Lisa">Codename Lisa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Codename_Lisa" title="User talk:Codename Lisa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Codename_Lisa-2017-05-17T04:52:00.000Z-Disruptive_editing_or_vandalism?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:52, 17 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Codename_Lisa-2017-05-17T04:52:00.000Z-Disruptive_editing_or_vandalism?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Codename_Lisa-2017-05-17T04:52:00.000Z-Disruptive_editing_or_vandalism?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:16:00.000Z-Codename_Lisa-2017-05-17T04:52:00.000Z"></span>My impression is that because vandalism was persistent (if this message was sent), it is also disruptive at this point. — <a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:16:00.000Z-Codename_Lisa-2017-05-17T04:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:16, 23 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:16:00.000Z-Codename_Lisa-2017-05-17T04:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:16:00.000Z-Codename_Lisa-2017-05-17T04:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Codename_Lisa-2017-05-24T05:09:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:16:00.000Z"></span>My impression is that vandalism is always disruptive. —<a href="/wiki/User:Codename_Lisa" title="User:Codename Lisa">Codename Lisa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Codename_Lisa" title="User talk:Codename Lisa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Codename_Lisa-2017-05-24T05:09:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:09, 24 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Codename_Lisa-2017-05-24T05:09:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Codename_Lisa-2017-05-24T05:09:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Change_"can"_to_"will"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Change_"can"_to_"will"-2017-05-26T00:24:00.000Z"><span id="Change_.22can.22_to_.22will.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Change_"can"_to_"will"-2017-05-26T00:24:00.000Z"></span>Change "can" to "will"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Change_"can"_to_"will"-2017-05-26T00:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-68.228.254.131-2017-05-26T00:24:00.000Z-Change_"can"_to_"will""></span>I suggest changing "can" to "will" because "can" is probably not enough to stop users from disruptive editing. "Will" is correct because continued disruptive editing <b>will</b> result in lost editing rights 100%. "Repeated vandalism <b>can</b> result in the loss of editing privileges." should be "Repeated vandalism <b>will</b> result in the loss of editing privileges." This should be changed to all templates mentioning blocks.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.228.254.131" title="Special:Contributions/68.228.254.131">68.228.254.131</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:68.228.254.131" title="User talk:68.228.254.131">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-68.228.254.131-2017-05-26T00:24:00.000Z-Change_"can"_to_"will"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:24, 26 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.228.254.131-2017-05-26T00:24:00.000Z-Change_"can"_to_"will""></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.228.254.131-2017-05-26T00:24:00.000Z-Change_"can"_to_"will""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_of_Reading-2017-05-26T06:03:00.000Z-68.228.254.131-2017-05-26T00:24:00.000Z"></span>I think "can" is correct; it's not automatic. If the vandalism isn't spotted, the vandal won't be blocked. If the vandalism is undone by an editor who doesn't know how to make a report to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AIV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AIV">WP:AIV</a>, the vandal won't be blocked. Doubtless there are other cases. -- <a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_of_Reading" title="User talk:John of Reading">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-John_of_Reading-2017-05-26T06:03:00.000Z-68.228.254.131-2017-05-26T00:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:03, 26 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_of_Reading-2017-05-26T06:03:00.000Z-68.228.254.131-2017-05-26T00:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_of_Reading-2017-05-26T06:03:00.000Z-68.228.254.131-2017-05-26T00:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""you_can_leave_me_a_message_on_my_talk_page"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"you_can_leave_me_a_message_on_my_talk_page"-2017-05-17T22:27:00.000Z"><span id=".22you_can_leave_me_a_message_on_my_talk_page.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"you_can_leave_me_a_message_on_my_talk_page"-2017-05-17T22:27:00.000Z"></span>"you can leave me a message on my talk page"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"you_can_leave_me_a_message_on_my_talk_page"-2017-05-17T22:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-17T22:27:00.000Z-"you_can_leave_me_a_message_on_my_talk_page""></span>I'm not sure if this is the right place to discuss this. Here is a quote from a standard template: <i>"or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page"</i>. My impression is that we usually want to encourage discussion about article improvements on that article's talk page. When patrolling changes and reverting a lot of edits, this calls for users to first post on the patroller's talk page instead, even if an article was supplied as parameter. Thanks, — <a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-17T22:27:00.000Z-"you_can_leave_me_a_message_on_my_talk_page"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:27, 17 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-17T22:27:00.000Z-"you_can_leave_me_a_message_on_my_talk_page""></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-17T22:27:00.000Z-"you_can_leave_me_a_message_on_my_talk_page""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:04:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-17T22:27:00.000Z"></span>After rechecking, these invitations only seem be part of the first-level templates. I guess that avoiding that level is appropriate in some circumstances, especially if a former welcome message was already issued; I understand that it can be helpful for new editors otherwise. — <a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:04:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-17T22:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 23 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:04:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-17T22:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:04:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-17T22:27:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:18:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-17T22:27:00.000Z"></span>It may still be useful for level-2+ templates to more systematically invite discussion on the article's talk page (with an explicit link), especially for uw-pov... — <a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:18:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-17T22:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 23 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:18:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-17T22:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:18:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-17T22:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mojo_Hand-2017-05-23T20:23:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:18:00.000Z"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate">PaleoNeonate</a>. This template language was tested against various alternatives some years ago, and I believe the general finding was that people were less likely to vandalize if they felt like they were talking to actual humans. As a practical matter, I've used these templates thousands of times, and I don't recall anyone actually responding on my talk page as a result of the template. That said, the testing was really only done on level 1 templates, so I think you may be right about level 2 etc.--<span style="font-family: Copperplate gothic"><a href="/wiki/User:Mojo_Hand" title="User:Mojo Hand">Mojo Hand</a> <i>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mojo_Hand" title="User talk:Mojo Hand">talk</a>)</i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Mojo_Hand-2017-05-23T20:23:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:23, 23 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mojo_Hand-2017-05-23T20:23:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mojo_Hand-2017-05-23T20:23:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:30:00.000Z-Mojo_Hand-2017-05-23T20:23:00.000Z"></span>Quote: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1244412712">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{padding-left:1.6em}}</style><blockquote class="templatequote"><p>You left me a message saying "If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page." so that's what I did.</p></blockquote></dd> <dd><abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> — <a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> — <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:30:00.000Z-Mojo_Hand-2017-05-23T20:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 23 May 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:30:00.000Z-Mojo_Hand-2017-05-23T20:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:30:00.000Z-Mojo_Hand-2017-05-23T20:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-06-11T04:21:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:30:00.000Z"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235781174">.mw-parser-output .hmbox-outer{margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .hmbox-inner{display:inline-block;color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);margin-right:0.5em;padding:0.3em 0.5em}</style><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer resolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> Resolved</div> – <span style="font-size: 85%">I now consider this resolved, I use level-2 and upwards where appropriate. It may still be an improvement to have those include the article talk page link along with the invitation to discuss. Level-1 (with the invitation to answer on the patroller's talk page) can still be useful for very new editors who may require help. Thanks, —<a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2017-06-11T04:21:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:21, 11 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-06-11T04:21:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:30:00.000Z"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-06-11T04:21:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-05-23T20:30:00.000Z"></span></div></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Arabic_not_English_template_is_in_Chinese" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arabic_not_English_template_is_in_Chinese-2017-06-13T22:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arabic_not_English_template_is_in_Chinese-2017-06-13T22:42:00.000Z"></span>Arabic not English template is in Chinese<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arabic_not_English_template_is_in_Chinese-2017-06-13T22:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dlohcierekim-2017-06-13T22:42:00.000Z-Arabic_not_English_template_is_in_Chinese"></span>Imagine my embarrassment. Maybe I can sift back and find it.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dlohcierekim&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dlohcierekim (page does not exist)">Dlohcierekim</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dlohcierekim&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Dlohcierekim (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Dlohcierekim-2017-06-13T22:42:00.000Z-Arabic_not_English_template_is_in_Chinese" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 13 June 2017 (UTC)</a> <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dlohcierekim-2017-06-13T22:42:00.000Z-Arabic_not_English_template_is_in_Chinese"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dlohcierekim-2017-06-13T22:42:00.000Z-Arabic_not_English_template_is_in_Chinese"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Add_A7?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Add_A7?-2017-06-16T13:34:00.000Z"><span id="Add_A7.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Add_A7?-2017-06-16T13:34:00.000Z"></span>Add A7?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Add_A7?-2017-06-16T13:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WikiDan61-2017-06-16T13:34:00.000Z-Add_A7?"></span>The template as presently written only covers CSD A1 (no context) or A3 (no content). Should we also include A7 (notability)? There is no criticality in deleting non-notable entries, but I often see A7 tags applied within 1 or 2 minutes of article creation? <a href="/wiki/User:WikiDan61" title="User:WikiDan61"><span style="color:green;">WikiDan61</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:WikiDan61" title="User talk:WikiDan61">ChatMe!</a></sup><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/WikiDan61" title="Special:Contributions/WikiDan61">ReadMe!!</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-WikiDan61-2017-06-16T13:34:00.000Z-Add_A7?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:34, 16 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WikiDan61-2017-06-16T13:34:00.000Z-Add_A7?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WikiDan61-2017-06-16T13:34:00.000Z-Add_A7?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JJMC89-2017-06-16T20:42:00.000Z-WikiDan61-2017-06-16T13:34:00.000Z"></span>What template are you talking about, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-hasty" title="Template:Uw-hasty">uw-hasty</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>? If so, consensus has not been established for that (<a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/766837540" title="Special:Diff/766837540">1</a>). — <a href="/wiki/User:JJMC89" title="User:JJMC89">JJMC89</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JJMC89" title="User talk:JJMC89">T</a><b>·</b><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJMC89" title="Special:Contributions/JJMC89">C</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-JJMC89-2017-06-16T20:42:00.000Z-WikiDan61-2017-06-16T13:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 16 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JJMC89-2017-06-16T20:42:00.000Z-WikiDan61-2017-06-16T13:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JJMC89-2017-06-16T20:42:00.000Z-WikiDan61-2017-06-16T13:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Better_wording_needed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Better_wording_needed-2017-06-20T10:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Better_wording_needed-2017-06-20T10:05:00.000Z"></span>Better wording needed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Better_wording_needed-2017-06-20T10:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jellyman-2017-06-20T10:05:00.000Z-Better_wording_needed"></span>The template relates to AfD, but the message invites the recipient to comment on the "proposed deletion", which is of course an entirely different process. <a href="/wiki/User:Jellyman" title="User:Jellyman">Jellyman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jellyman" title="User talk:Jellyman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Jellyman-2017-06-20T10:05:00.000Z-Better_wording_needed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:05, 20 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jellyman-2017-06-20T10:05:00.000Z-Better_wording_needed"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jellyman-2017-06-20T10:05:00.000Z-Better_wording_needed"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doniago-2017-06-20T14:04:00.000Z-Jellyman-2017-06-20T10:05:00.000Z"></span>Which template are you referring to? Perhaps you meant to leave this message at that template's Talk page? <a href="/wiki/User:Doniago" title="User:Doniago">DonIago</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doniago" title="User talk:Doniago">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Doniago-2017-06-20T14:04:00.000Z-Jellyman-2017-06-20T10:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 20 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doniago-2017-06-20T14:04:00.000Z-Jellyman-2017-06-20T10:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doniago-2017-06-20T14:04:00.000Z-Jellyman-2017-06-20T10:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jellyman-2017-06-20T18:33:00.000Z-Doniago-2017-06-20T14:04:00.000Z"></span>Ah, sorry – I didn't notice that the individual user warning templates' talk pages redirect here. I was referring to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-afd2" title="Template:Uw-afd2">Uw-afd2</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. <a href="/wiki/User:Jellyman" title="User:Jellyman">Jellyman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jellyman" title="User talk:Jellyman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Jellyman-2017-06-20T18:33:00.000Z-Doniago-2017-06-20T14:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 20 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jellyman-2017-06-20T18:33:00.000Z-Doniago-2017-06-20T14:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jellyman-2017-06-20T18:33:00.000Z-Doniago-2017-06-20T14:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doniago-2017-06-20T20:38:00.000Z-Jellyman-2017-06-20T18:33:00.000Z"></span>Well, I think the key is that it's referring to a proposed deletion, not Proposed Deletion, but I take your point. "the article's entry on the Articles for deletion page" would seem to be the standard wording used elsewhere, but how you could dynamically link to it is beyond my sphere of knowledge. <a href="/wiki/User:Doniago" title="User:Doniago">DonIago</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doniago" title="User talk:Doniago">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Doniago-2017-06-20T20:38:00.000Z-Jellyman-2017-06-20T18:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 20 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doniago-2017-06-20T20:38:00.000Z-Jellyman-2017-06-20T18:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doniago-2017-06-20T20:38:00.000Z-Jellyman-2017-06-20T18:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Page_blanking_messages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Page_blanking_messages-2017-06-10T22:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Page_blanking_messages-2017-06-10T22:26:00.000Z"></span>Page blanking messages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Page_blanking_messages-2017-06-10T22:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="nowrap"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smjg-2017-06-10T22:26:00.000Z-Page_blanking_messages"></span>{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Blank" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Blank">blank</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> recently had a TfD that led to it being redirected to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-delete1" title="Template:Uw-delete1">uw-delete1</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. I wasn't aware of the TfD at the time - I just used the template and didn't see any need to look at the template page regularly. </p><p>I started a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2017_June_8" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 June 8">DRV</a>, but am now posting here to facilitate wider discussion. As stated, the wording of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-delete1" title="Template:Uw-delete1">uw-delete1</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is not suitable for the scenario whereby a user has blanked a page completely. </p><p>Ideally, what I would like to do is replace the current redirect at <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-blank1" title="Template:Uw-blank1">uw-blank1</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> with a message for this scenario, based on the message we had at <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Blank" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Blank">blank</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. I suppose it would be a matter of getting <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Blank" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Blank">blank</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> moved to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-blank1" title="Template:Uw-blank1">uw-blank1</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (since it would essentially be the same message under a different name, and as such should preserve the history) and updating the template to the modern format. (These actions need not happen in this order.) Needless to say, we should have a corresponding message for <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-blank2" title="Template:Uw-blank2">uw-blank2</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> as well. I guess <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-blank3" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Uw-blank3">uw-blank3</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-blank4" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Uw-blank4">uw-blank4</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> can remain as redirects. </p><p>What do people think to this idea? — <a href="/wiki/User:Smjg" title="User:Smjg">Smjg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smjg" title="User talk:Smjg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Smjg-2017-06-10T22:26:00.000Z-Page_blanking_messages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 10 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smjg-2017-06-10T22:26:00.000Z-Page_blanking_messages"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smjg-2017-06-10T22:26:00.000Z-Page_blanking_messages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gatemansgc-2017-06-24T03:57:00.000Z-Smjg-2017-06-10T22:26:00.000Z"></span>I like the idea, tbh. I've felt the same way at times. <span style="text-shadow:green 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em"><a href="/wiki/User:Gatemansgc" title="User:Gatemansgc">Gatemansgc</a></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gatemansgc" title="User talk:Gatemansgc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Gatemansgc-2017-06-24T03:57:00.000Z-Smjg-2017-06-10T22:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:57, 24 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gatemansgc-2017-06-24T03:57:00.000Z-Smjg-2017-06-10T22:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gatemansgc-2017-06-24T03:57:00.000Z-Smjg-2017-06-10T22:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tweak_wording_of_Template:Uw-nonfree" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tweak_wording_of_Template:Uw-nonfree-2017-06-26T21:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tweak_wording_of_Template:Uw-nonfree-2017-06-26T21:50:00.000Z"></span>Tweak wording of <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-nonfree" title="Template:Uw-nonfree">Template:Uw-nonfree</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tweak_wording_of_Template:Uw-nonfree-2017-06-26T21:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-2017-06-26T21:50:00.000Z-Tweak_wording_of_Template:Uw-nonfree"></span>I am wondering if the wording of the second sentence of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-nonfree" title="Template:Uw-nonfree">Uw-nonfree</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> needs to be tweaked a bit. It currently reads as "We always appreciate when users upload new images" which is fine if the only time this template was used had to do with new image uploads, but that's not really the case. Many (perhaps most?) non-free content use violations have to do with editors inappropriately adding previously uploaded files to articles. This is sort of covered in the third sentence of the template, but sentences two and three seem to be in conflict, at least it seems like that to me. Maybe it would be better to reword/combine the two sentences in a manner to eliminate any possible confusion. FWIW, I've come across editors who assume non-free files already uploaded by others are "automatically" OK for Wikipedia and use a sort of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOBODYCOMPLAINED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOBODYCOMPLAINED">WP:NOBODYCOMPLAINED</a>-type or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:JUSTONE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:JUSTONE">WP:JUSTONE</a>-type of argument to justify its use in other articles, which is not really how the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NFCCP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NFCCP">WP:NFCCP</a> is supposed to be applied. Obviously, this template won't eliminate all such problems, but tweaking it might better clarify things for some editors when it is added to their user talk page. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Marchjuly-2017-06-26T21:50:00.000Z-Tweak_wording_of_Template:Uw-nonfree" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-2017-06-26T21:50:00.000Z-Tweak_wording_of_Template:Uw-nonfree"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-2017-06-26T21:50:00.000Z-Tweak_wording_of_Template:Uw-nonfree"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2017_Suggestion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2017_Suggestion-2017-07-07T06:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2017_Suggestion-2017-07-07T06:00:00.000Z"></span>Template-protected edit request on 7 July 2017 Suggestion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2017_Suggestion-2017-07-07T06:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-07-07T06:00:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2017_Suggestion"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-spamublock" title="Template:Uw-spamublock">Template:Uw-spamublock</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Please remove the line that reads <code>{{:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|notalk=yes}}</code>; I find it potentially confusing and other editors may find it confusing as well; it makes it seem like the no talk part of the template is part of the actual template. Consider moving it into the documentation instead. <a href="/wiki/User:UpsandDowns1234" class="mw-redirect" title="User:UpsandDowns1234"><span style="font-family: sans-serif;"><span style="color:green;">Ups</span>and<span style="color:red;">Downs</span>1234</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UpsandDowns1234" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:UpsandDowns1234">🗨</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-07-07T06:00:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2017_Suggestion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:00, 7 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-07-07T06:00:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2017_Suggestion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-07-07T06:00:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_7_July_2017_Suggestion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cabayi-2017-07-07T07:42:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-07-07T06:00:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/30px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62"/></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> It's in a noinclude section: <dl><dd><dl><dd><code><noinclude></code></dd> <dd><code>{{:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|notalk=yes}}</code></dd> <dd><code>...</code></dd> <dd><code></noinclude></code></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>- <a href="/wiki/User:Cabayi" title="User:Cabayi">Cabayi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cabayi" title="User talk:Cabayi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Cabayi-2017-07-07T07:42:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-07-07T06:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:42, 7 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cabayi-2017-07-07T07:42:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-07-07T06:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cabayi-2017-07-07T07:42:00.000Z-UpsandDowns1234-2017-07-07T06:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-07-07T15:14:00.000Z-Cabayi-2017-07-07T07:42:00.000Z"></span>I understand that it is inside of <code class="nowrap" style=""><noinclude>...</noinclude></code>, it is just that when rendered, it can be found confusing. It belongs inside of the doc. <a href="/wiki/User:UpsandDowns1234" class="mw-redirect" title="User:UpsandDowns1234"><span style="font-family: sans-serif;"><span style="color:green;">Ups</span>and<span style="color:red;">Downs</span>1234</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UpsandDowns1234" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:UpsandDowns1234">🗨</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-07-07T15:14:00.000Z-Cabayi-2017-07-07T07:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 7 July 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-07-07T15:14:00.000Z-Cabayi-2017-07-07T07:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UpsandDowns1234-2017-07-07T15:14:00.000Z-Cabayi-2017-07-07T07:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="About_uw-block_for_enforcing_editing_restrictions" data-mw-thread-id="h-About_uw-block_for_enforcing_editing_restrictions-2017-08-01T01:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-About_uw-block_for_enforcing_editing_restrictions-2017-08-01T01:14:00.000Z"></span>About uw-block for enforcing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_restrictions" title="Wikipedia:Editing restrictions">editing restrictions</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-About_uw-block_for_enforcing_editing_restrictions-2017-08-01T01:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alex_Shih-2017-08-01T01:14:00.000Z-About_uw-block_for_enforcing_editing_restrictions"></span>Since <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-csblock" title="Template:Uw-csblock">uw-csblock</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:General_sanctions" title="Wikipedia:General sanctions">general sanctions</a>, there doesn't seem to be a template for personal sanctions. Should I make one? <a href="/wiki/User:Alex_Shih" title="User:Alex Shih">Alex Shih</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alex_Shih" title="User talk:Alex Shih"><sup>Talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Alex_Shih-2017-08-01T01:14:00.000Z-About_uw-block_for_enforcing_editing_restrictions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:14, 1 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alex_Shih-2017-08-01T01:14:00.000Z-About_uw-block_for_enforcing_editing_restrictions"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alex_Shih-2017-08-01T01:14:00.000Z-About_uw-block_for_enforcing_editing_restrictions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alex_Shih-2017-08-01T05:04:00.000Z-Alex_Shih-2017-08-01T01:14:00.000Z"></span>I've gone ahead and created <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-cserblock" title="Template:Uw-cserblock">uw-cserblock</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> for anyone interested. <a href="/wiki/User:Alex_Shih" title="User:Alex Shih">Alex Shih</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alex_Shih" title="User talk:Alex Shih"><sup>Talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Alex_Shih-2017-08-01T05:04:00.000Z-Alex_Shih-2017-08-01T01:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:04, 1 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alex_Shih-2017-08-01T05:04:00.000Z-Alex_Shih-2017-08-01T01:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alex_Shih-2017-08-01T05:04:00.000Z-Alex_Shih-2017-08-01T01:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-08-02T21:27:00.000Z-Alex_Shih-2017-08-01T05:04:00.000Z"></span>I added a link to it at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WARN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WARN">WP:WARN</a>, this could be removed if contested however. —<a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2017-08-02T21:27:00.000Z-Alex_Shih-2017-08-01T05:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:27, 2 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-08-02T21:27:00.000Z-Alex_Shih-2017-08-01T05:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-08-02T21:27:00.000Z-Alex_Shih-2017-08-01T05:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Altering_cited_quotes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Altering_cited_quotes-2017-08-14T00:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Altering_cited_quotes-2017-08-14T00:26:00.000Z"></span>Altering cited quotes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Altering_cited_quotes-2017-08-14T00:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-08-14T00:26:00.000Z-Altering_cited_quotes"></span>I don't seem to find a template for this. It is a common occurence from POV pushing editors. I currently use uw-pov or uw-vandal in these cases which work but which require additional comment in the revert edit summary and/or on the user's talk page about <a href="/wiki/MOS:PMC" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:PMC">MOS:PMC</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2017-08-14T00:26:00.000Z-Altering_cited_quotes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 14 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-08-14T00:26:00.000Z-Altering_cited_quotes"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-08-14T00:26:00.000Z-Altering_cited_quotes"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Advert_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Advert_template-2017-08-22T21:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Advert_template-2017-08-22T21:31:00.000Z"></span>Advert template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Advert_template-2017-08-22T21:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:JamesBWatson" class="mw-redirect" title="User:JamesBWatson"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jytdog-2017-08-22T21:31:00.000Z-Advert_template"></span>User:JamesBWatson</a>, the reason I made <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-advert2&diff=prev&oldid=793491918">this change</a>, which you reverted <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-advert2&curid=10949129&diff=796680941&oldid=793491918">here</a>, is in so many cases of promotional editing, the problem is not <i>only</i> the language, but bad sourcing (or lack of sourcing).... <a href="/wiki/User:Jytdog" title="User:Jytdog">Jytdog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jytdog" title="User talk:Jytdog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Jytdog-2017-08-22T21:31:00.000Z-Advert_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 22 August 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jytdog-2017-08-22T21:31:00.000Z-Advert_template"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jytdog-2017-08-22T21:31:00.000Z-Advert_template"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Changing_Username" data-mw-thread-id="h-Changing_Username-2017-09-20T20:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Changing_Username-2017-09-20T20:07:00.000Z"></span>Changing Username<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Changing_Username-2017-09-20T20:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pkbwcgs-2017-09-20T20:07:00.000Z-Changing_Username"></span>I don't think the template should say 'Hello, I'm Jimbo' in <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-biog1" title="Template:Uw-biog1">Template:Uw-biog1</a> so I am planning to change this to something else. However, I don't know if I am allowed to do this or will it get reverted. <a href="/wiki/User:Pkbwcgs" title="User:Pkbwcgs">Pkbwcgs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pkbwcgs" title="User talk:Pkbwcgs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Pkbwcgs-2017-09-20T20:07:00.000Z-Changing_Username" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 20 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pkbwcgs-2017-09-20T20:07:00.000Z-Changing_Username"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pkbwcgs-2017-09-20T20:07:00.000Z-Changing_Username"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zzuuzz-2017-09-20T20:17:00.000Z-Pkbwcgs-2017-09-20T20:07:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pkbwcgs" title="User:Pkbwcgs">Pkbwcgs</a>:</span> The noinclude tags within the template means it's not shown as Jimbo when the template is actually used, but by all means change it. If I could suggest, <a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">User:Example</a> is often used in such places. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Zzuuzz" title="User:Zzuuzz">zzuuzz</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zzuuzz" title="User talk:Zzuuzz">(talk)</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Zzuuzz-2017-09-20T20:17:00.000Z-Pkbwcgs-2017-09-20T20:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:17, 20 September 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zzuuzz-2017-09-20T20:17:00.000Z-Pkbwcgs-2017-09-20T20:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zzuuzz-2017-09-20T20:17:00.000Z-Pkbwcgs-2017-09-20T20:07:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redgro-2017-10-01T14:55:00.000Z-Pkbwcgs-2017-09-20T20:07:00.000Z"></span>I think I will do the same to the other warning templates where it says 'Hello, I'm Jimbo' by changing it to 'Hello, I'm Example' to avoid confusion. <a href="/wiki/User:Redgro" title="User:Redgro">Redgro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redgro" title="User talk:Redgro">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Redgro-2017-10-01T14:55:00.000Z-Pkbwcgs-2017-09-20T20:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 1 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redgro-2017-10-01T14:55:00.000Z-Pkbwcgs-2017-09-20T20:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redgro-2017-10-01T14:55:00.000Z-Pkbwcgs-2017-09-20T20:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_line_break" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_line_break-2017-10-05T23:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_line_break-2017-10-05T23:14:00.000Z"></span>Template line break<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_line_break-2017-10-05T23:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bongwarrior-2017-10-05T23:14:00.000Z-Template_line_break"></span>Hey there. <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-voablock" title="Template:Uw-voablock">Template:Uw-voablock</a> currently has a line break between the two sentences, which looks a little weird to me. It hasn't always been there, has it? --<a href="/wiki/User:Bongwarrior" title="User:Bongwarrior">Bongwarrior</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bongwarrior" title="User talk:Bongwarrior">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Bongwarrior-2017-10-05T23:14:00.000Z-Template_line_break" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 5 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bongwarrior-2017-10-05T23:14:00.000Z-Template_line_break"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bongwarrior-2017-10-05T23:14:00.000Z-Template_line_break"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JJMC89-2017-10-05T23:36:00.000Z-Bongwarrior-2017-10-05T23:14:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Bongwarrior" title="User:Bongwarrior">Bongwarrior</a>:</span> It changed on 5 September from <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/771127847/799027917" title="Special:Diff/771127847/799027917">this series of edits</a> to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-block" title="Template:Uw-block">uw-block</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. — <a href="/wiki/User:JJMC89" title="User:JJMC89">JJMC89</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JJMC89" title="User talk:JJMC89">T</a><b>·</b><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJMC89" title="Special:Contributions/JJMC89">C</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-JJMC89-2017-10-05T23:36:00.000Z-Bongwarrior-2017-10-05T23:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JJMC89-2017-10-05T23:36:00.000Z-Bongwarrior-2017-10-05T23:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JJMC89-2017-10-05T23:36:00.000Z-Bongwarrior-2017-10-05T23:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bongwarrior-2017-10-06T00:18:00.000Z-JJMC89-2017-10-05T23:36:00.000Z"></span>Thanks! I figured the change was in a sub-template somewhere, but I couldn't figure out exactly where. I'll take it up with Alex at some point. The line break itself probably isn't what's bugging me, but it looks odd on the VOA template because it's only two sentences long. I'm assuming the same line break looks fine on some of the wordier templates. --<a href="/wiki/User:Bongwarrior" title="User:Bongwarrior">Bongwarrior</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bongwarrior" title="User talk:Bongwarrior">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Bongwarrior-2017-10-06T00:18:00.000Z-JJMC89-2017-10-05T23:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 6 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bongwarrior-2017-10-06T00:18:00.000Z-JJMC89-2017-10-05T23:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bongwarrior-2017-10-06T00:18:00.000Z-JJMC89-2017-10-05T23:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JJMC89-2017-10-06T00:34:00.000Z-Bongwarrior-2017-10-06T00:18:00.000Z"></span>Codename Lisa made the <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/798669459" title="Special:Diff/798669459">initial change</a>, not Alex<a href="/wiki/User:Bongwarrior" title="User:Bongwarrior">.</a> — <a href="/wiki/User:JJMC89" title="User:JJMC89">JJMC89</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JJMC89" title="User talk:JJMC89">T</a><b>·</b><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJMC89" title="Special:Contributions/JJMC89">C</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-JJMC89-2017-10-06T00:34:00.000Z-Bongwarrior-2017-10-06T00:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 6 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JJMC89-2017-10-06T00:34:00.000Z-Bongwarrior-2017-10-06T00:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JJMC89-2017-10-06T00:34:00.000Z-Bongwarrior-2017-10-06T00:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bongwarrior-2017-10-06T00:58:00.000Z-JJMC89-2017-10-06T00:34:00.000Z"></span>Ah, thanks again. --<a href="/wiki/User:Bongwarrior" title="User:Bongwarrior">Bongwarrior</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bongwarrior" title="User talk:Bongwarrior">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Bongwarrior-2017-10-06T00:58:00.000Z-JJMC89-2017-10-06T00:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:58, 6 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bongwarrior-2017-10-06T00:58:00.000Z-JJMC89-2017-10-06T00:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bongwarrior-2017-10-06T00:58:00.000Z-JJMC89-2017-10-06T00:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hatnote_for_Template:CV" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hatnote_for_Template:CV-2017-10-07T21:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hatnote_for_Template:CV-2017-10-07T21:34:00.000Z"></span>Hatnote for Template:CV<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hatnote_for_Template:CV-2017-10-07T21:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Certes-2017-10-07T21:34:00.000Z-Hatnote_for_Template:CV"></span>It might be helpful if <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-copyright" title="Template:Uw-copyright">Uw-copyright</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> had a hatnote such as </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1236090951">.mw-parser-output .hatnote{font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output div.hatnote{padding-left:1.6em;margin-bottom:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .hatnote i{font-style:normal}.mw-parser-output .hatnote+link+.hatnote{margin-top:-0.5em}@media print{body.ns-0 .mw-parser-output .hatnote{display:none!important}}</style><div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">"Template:CV" redirects here. For curriculum vitae, see <a href="/wiki/Template:Resume" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Resume">Template:Resume</a> and <a href="/wiki/Template:Like_resume" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Like resume">Template:Like resume</a>.</div> <p>Adding the code </p> <pre>{{redirect|Template:CV|curriculum vitae|Template:Resume|and|Template:Like resume}}</pre> <p>to the banners= parameter of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Single_notice" title="Template:Single notice">single notice</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> seems to work, but I'd rather an expert ran their eye over this change before putting it live. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Certes" title="User:Certes">Certes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Certes" title="User talk:Certes">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Certes-2017-10-07T21:34:00.000Z-Hatnote_for_Template:CV" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 7 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Certes-2017-10-07T21:34:00.000Z-Hatnote_for_Template:CV"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Certes-2017-10-07T21:34:00.000Z-Hatnote_for_Template:CV"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="uw-talkforum" data-mw-thread-id="h-uw-talkforum-2017-10-25T14:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-uw-talkforum-2017-10-25T14:20:00.000Z"></span>uw-talkforum<span data-mw-comment-end="h-uw-talkforum-2017-10-25T14:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-10-25T14:20:00.000Z-uw-talkforum"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:DIYeditor" title="User:DIYeditor">DIYeditor</a>:</span> I will not remove it myself, maybe that it could still be considered useful. However, your recent <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-talkforum&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Uw-talkforum (page does not exist)">uw-talkforum</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> addition appears redundant with the multilevel <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-chat1" title="Template:Uw-chat1">uw-chat1</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-chat2" title="Template:Uw-chat2">uw-chat2</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-chat3" title="Template:Uw-chat3">uw-chat3</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-chat4" title="Template:Uw-chat4">uw-chat4</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> templates (in particular, level 2). Thanks, —<a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2017-10-25T14:20:00.000Z-uw-talkforum" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 25 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-10-25T14:20:00.000Z-uw-talkforum"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2017-10-25T14:20:00.000Z-uw-talkforum"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DIYeditor-2017-10-25T18:03:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-10-25T14:20:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate">PaleoNeonate</a>:</span> Oh my don't I feel dumb, I had looked and looked and didn't see that! Searched for forum and talk page repeatedly... I will submit for deletion by author. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:DIYeditor" title="User:DIYeditor">—DIYeditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DIYeditor" title="User talk:DIYeditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-DIYeditor-2017-10-25T18:03:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-10-25T14:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:03, 25 October 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DIYeditor-2017-10-25T18:03:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-10-25T14:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DIYeditor-2017-10-25T18:03:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2017-10-25T14:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Teahouse?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Teahouse?-2017-11-09T04:29:00.000Z"><span id="Teahouse.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Teahouse?-2017-11-09T04:29:00.000Z"></span>Teahouse?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Teahouse?-2017-11-09T04:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cocohead781-2017-11-09T04:29:00.000Z-Teahouse?"></span>I believe that linking to the teahouse to ask questions inside of the warning could be very helpful to new editors. This would make it so they can ask questions about their warning, after asking the warner. My change is below: </p><p>Hello, I'm <name>. I wanted to let you know that one or more of <contribs> have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the <sandbox>. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on <user talk>. <b>If you have a question about Wikipedia's guidelines, feel free to ask it at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse" title="Wikipedia:Teahouse">Teahouse</a>.</b>Thanks. </p><p>(Of course, it would be normal next.) <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Cocohead781" title="User:Cocohead781">Cocohead781</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cocohead781#top" title="User talk:Cocohead781">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cocohead781" title="Special:Contributions/Cocohead781">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Cocohead781-2017-11-09T04:29:00.000Z-Teahouse?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:29, 9 November 2017 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cocohead781-2017-11-09T04:29:00.000Z-Teahouse?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cocohead781-2017-11-09T04:29:00.000Z-Teahouse?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Usernames_related_to_a_"real-world"_group_or_organization" data-mw-thread-id="h-Usernames_related_to_a_"real-world"_group_or_organization-2017-12-06T00:15:00.000Z"><span id="Usernames_related_to_a_.22real-world.22_group_or_organization"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Usernames_related_to_a_"real-world"_group_or_organization-2017-12-06T00:15:00.000Z"></span>Usernames related to a "real-world" group or organization<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Usernames_related_to_a_"real-world"_group_or_organization-2017-12-06T00:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-ublock" title="Template:Uw-ublock"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_James-2017-12-06T00:15:00.000Z-Usernames_related_to_a_"real-world"_group_or_organization"></span>Template:Uw-ublock</a> says usernames must not be "related to a "real-world" group or organization", which contradicts <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Username_policy#Usernames_implying_shared_use" title="Wikipedia:Username policy">Wikipedia:Username policy#Usernames implying shared use</a> where these are examples of acceptable usernames. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_James" title="User:Peter James">Peter James</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_James" title="User talk:Peter James">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Peter_James-2017-12-06T00:15:00.000Z-Usernames_related_to_a_"real-world"_group_or_organization" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 6 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_James-2017-12-06T00:15:00.000Z-Usernames_related_to_a_"real-world"_group_or_organization"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_James-2017-12-06T00:15:00.000Z-Usernames_related_to_a_"real-world"_group_or_organization"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jytdog-2017-12-06T17:58:00.000Z-Peter_James-2017-12-06T00:15:00.000Z"></span>That's a good point. and the "real-world" is a bit odd as the "real-world" is the real world. Instead of "related" perhaps if it said "signifying a group or organization and not an individual at that organization" or something like that. <a href="/wiki/User:Jytdog" title="User:Jytdog">Jytdog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jytdog" title="User talk:Jytdog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Jytdog-2017-12-06T17:58:00.000Z-Peter_James-2017-12-06T00:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 6 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jytdog-2017-12-06T17:58:00.000Z-Peter_James-2017-12-06T00:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jytdog-2017-12-06T17:58:00.000Z-Peter_James-2017-12-06T00:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Article_not_rendering" data-mw-thread-id="h-Article_not_rendering-2017-12-06T19:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Article_not_rendering-2017-12-06T19:43:00.000Z"></span>Article not rendering<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Article_not_rendering-2017-12-06T19:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thinker78-2017-12-06T19:43:00.000Z-Article_not_rendering"></span>I'm using <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-subtle2" title="Template:Uw-subtle2">subst:Uw-subtle2</a>|<i>article</i>}}</code>, but it won't render the name of the article (in this case is <a href="/wiki/Steven_Spence" title="Steven Spence">Steven Spence</a>). What is wrong? <a href="/wiki/User:Thinker78" title="User:Thinker78">Thinker78</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thinker78" title="User talk:Thinker78">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thinker78-2017-12-06T19:43:00.000Z-Article_not_rendering" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 6 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thinker78-2017-12-06T19:43:00.000Z-Article_not_rendering"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thinker78-2017-12-06T19:43:00.000Z-Article_not_rendering"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2017-12-06T21:59:00.000Z-Thinker78-2017-12-06T19:43:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Pictogram_voting_keep.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/27px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/36px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></a></span><b> Fixed</b> True enough <a href="/wiki/User:Thinker78" title="User:Thinker78">Thinker78</a>, the template code had no provision to link an article even though the documentation says this is possible. The first-level warning <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-subtle1" title="Template:Uw-subtle1">uw-subtle1</a>}}</code> does include such coding, so I've now copied the coding over to <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-subtle2" title="Template:Uw-subtle2">uw-subtle2</a>}}</code> and it should now work as desired<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2017-12-06T21:59:00.000Z-Thinker78-2017-12-06T19:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 6 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2017-12-06T21:59:00.000Z-Thinker78-2017-12-06T19:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2017-12-06T21:59:00.000Z-Thinker78-2017-12-06T19:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Graphic_and_text_are_both_out_of_date" data-mw-thread-id="h-Graphic_and_text_are_both_out_of_date-2017-12-19T01:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Graphic_and_text_are_both_out_of_date-2017-12-19T01:17:00.000Z"></span>Graphic and text are both out of date<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Graphic_and_text_are_both_out_of_date-2017-12-19T01:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nick_Moyes-2017-12-19T01:17:00.000Z-Graphic_and_text_are_both_out_of_date"></span>The wiki-wide change <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)/Archive_57#Change_to_the_edit_submission_button_label" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 57">implemented by WMF</a> on 11 December 2017, which saw the renaming of the blue "Save changes" button to "Publish changes" in both source and visual editors, means that many help pages, templates and some graphics are now out of date. I hope anyone who maintains this page/template will be able to update it as soon as possible so as to minimise any confusion for new users. Regards from the UK, <a href="/wiki/User:Nick_Moyes" title="User:Nick Moyes">Nick Moyes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nick_Moyes" title="User talk:Nick Moyes">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Nick_Moyes-2017-12-19T01:17:00.000Z-Graphic_and_text_are_both_out_of_date" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:17, 19 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nick_Moyes-2017-12-19T01:17:00.000Z-Graphic_and_text_are_both_out_of_date"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nick_Moyes-2017-12-19T01:17:00.000Z-Graphic_and_text_are_both_out_of_date"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Blatant_vandalism_and_subtle_vandalism_having_the_same_level_3-5_warning_templates?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Blatant_vandalism_and_subtle_vandalism_having_the_same_level_3-5_warning_templat-2018-01-05T00:50:00.000Z"><span id="Blatant_vandalism_and_subtle_vandalism_having_the_same_level_3-5_warning_templates.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Blatant_vandalism_and_subtle_vandalism_having_the_same_level_3-5_warning_templat-2018-01-05T00:50:00.000Z"></span>Blatant vandalism and subtle vandalism having the same level 3-5 warning templates?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Blatant_vandalism_and_subtle_vandalism_having_the_same_level_3-5_warning_templat-2018-01-05T00:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Nth_User-2018-01-05T00:50:00.000Z-Blatant_vandalism_and_subtle_vandalism_having_the_same_level_3-5_warning_templat"></span>They have the same level 3 warning template. Blatant vandalism has a level 4 warning template and a level 5 warning template, but subtle vandalism has neither. Since blatant vandalism's level 4 and 5 warning templates seem to be general to all vandalism, and blatant vandalism and subtle vandalism alread share a level 3 warning template, can we say that subtle vandalism has the same level 4 and 5 warning templates as blatant vandalism? Also, can we have one box that stretches across two rows, instead of two separate boxes for each level 3+ vandalism warning template, so make it obvious and apparent that they're the same template? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Nth_User" title="User:The Nth User">The N<sup>th</sup> User</a> I have no ideas for what to put here. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Nth_User" title="User talk:The Nth User">Care to differ or discuss?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-The_Nth_User-2018-01-05T00:50:00.000Z-Blatant_vandalism_and_subtle_vandalism_having_the_same_level_3-5_warning_templat" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 5 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Nth_User-2018-01-05T00:50:00.000Z-Blatant_vandalism_and_subtle_vandalism_having_the_same_level_3-5_warning_templat"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Nth_User-2018-01-05T00:50:00.000Z-Blatant_vandalism_and_subtle_vandalism_having_the_same_level_3-5_warning_templat"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2018-01-05T01:39:00.000Z-The_Nth_User-2018-01-05T00:50:00.000Z"></span>I think using multirow boxes makes things more confusing for the editor reading the table, and makes the table more difficult to modify.</dd> <dd>More to the real point: The "n/a"s have been there for a long time. I have to assume there was a reason why whoever put them there did NOT do what you're suggesting. Perhaps there is info in the talk page archives here. In any case, please wait for answers from people who maintain this stuff. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Jeh-2018-01-05T01:39:00.000Z-The_Nth_User-2018-01-05T00:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 5 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2018-01-05T01:39:00.000Z-The_Nth_User-2018-01-05T00:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2018-01-05T01:39:00.000Z-The_Nth_User-2018-01-05T00:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Nth_User-2018-01-05T02:06:00.000Z-Jeh-2018-01-05T01:39:00.000Z"></span>Actually, I think that it would make the table easier to modify because if say…Template:Uw-vandalism3 was moved to Template:Uw-vandalizing3, it would only need to be changed once.</dd> <dd>Do you know which specific users have been tasked with maintaining this. If so, have you contacted any of them? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Nth_User" title="User:The Nth User">The N<sup>th</sup> User</a> I have no ideas for what to put here. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Nth_User" title="User talk:The Nth User">Care to differ or discuss?</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-The_Nth_User-2018-01-05T02:06:00.000Z-Jeh-2018-01-05T01:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:06, 5 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Nth_User-2018-01-05T02:06:00.000Z-Jeh-2018-01-05T01:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Nth_User-2018-01-05T02:06:00.000Z-Jeh-2018-01-05T01:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2018-01-05T05:12:00.000Z-The_Nth_User-2018-01-05T02:06:00.000Z"></span>It's mentioned right near the top of the page. Please note that there is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NODEADLINE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NODEADLINE">WP:NODEADLINE</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Jeh-2018-01-05T05:12:00.000Z-The_Nth_User-2018-01-05T02:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:12, 5 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2018-01-05T05:12:00.000Z-The_Nth_User-2018-01-05T02:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2018-01-05T05:12:00.000Z-The_Nth_User-2018-01-05T02:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Explain_where_the_message_came_from" data-mw-thread-id="h-Explain_where_the_message_came_from-2017-12-17T00:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Explain_where_the_message_came_from-2017-12-17T00:16:00.000Z"></span>Explain where the message came from<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Explain_where_the_message_came_from-2017-12-17T00:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pascal666-2017-12-17T00:16:00.000Z-Explain_where_the_message_came_from"></span>It would be nice if the user warning templates had a standard disclaimer at the bottom saying something like: </p> <dl><dd>The above message is a standardized template created by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_warnings" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject User warnings">the user warnings project</a>. You may discuss the contents of these templates at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace">user warning talk page</a>.</dd></dl> <p>The end of the above is in bold because I am posting this message on the page it links to. The idea being to deflect any ill feelings about the wording of the message away from the person actually posting the message. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pascal666" title="User:Pascal666">Pascal</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pascal666" title="User talk:Pascal666">666</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Pascal666-2017-12-17T00:16:00.000Z-Explain_where_the_message_came_from" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:16, 17 December 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pascal666-2017-12-17T00:16:00.000Z-Explain_where_the_message_came_from"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pascal666-2017-12-17T00:16:00.000Z-Explain_where_the_message_came_from"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2018-01-05T07:37:00.000Z-Pascal666-2017-12-17T00:16:00.000Z"></span>I like this idea, particularly for the templates that warn of blocking, etc. I've gotten very strong negative feedback from using some of the templates. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Jeh-2018-01-05T07:37:00.000Z-Pascal666-2017-12-17T00:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2018-01-05T07:37:00.000Z-Pascal666-2017-12-17T00:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2018-01-05T07:37:00.000Z-Pascal666-2017-12-17T00:16:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2018-01-05T12:15:00.000Z-Pascal666-2017-12-17T00:16:00.000Z"></span>Dunno, I think if this is done it should be for a trial period. This is a useful page, serving as talk page for many widely used user messages, and we wouldn't want it swamped with – er – unconstructive contributions, or arguments about the merits of the revert rather than the wording of the message. Those receiving this negative feedback, if they think it justified, can always come here<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2018-01-05T12:15:00.000Z-Pascal666-2017-12-17T00:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 5 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2018-01-05T12:15:00.000Z-Pascal666-2017-12-17T00:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2018-01-05T12:15:00.000Z-Pascal666-2017-12-17T00:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pascal666-2018-01-14T15:08:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-05T12:15:00.000Z"></span>The first sentence is the important one, the second can simply be left off. Or can you suggest a better message? --<a href="/wiki/User:Pascal666" title="User:Pascal666">Pascal</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pascal666" title="User talk:Pascal666">666</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Pascal666-2018-01-14T15:08:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-05T12:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 14 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pascal666-2018-01-14T15:08:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-05T12:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pascal666-2018-01-14T15:08:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-05T12:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>Maybe not the talk page link, per others' comments, but the other part sounds good.</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_Template_Suggestion:_Use_of_another_Wikipedia_article_as_a_source" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_Template_Suggestion:_Use_of_another_Wikipedia_article_as_a_source-2018-01-23T00:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_Template_Suggestion:_Use_of_another_Wikipedia_article_as_a_source-2018-01-23T00:31:00.000Z"></span>New Template Suggestion: Use of another Wikipedia article as a source<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_Template_Suggestion:_Use_of_another_Wikipedia_article_as_a_source-2018-01-23T00:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Egsan_Bacon-2018-01-23T00:31:00.000Z-New_Template_Suggestion:_Use_of_another_Wikipedia_article_as_a_source"></span>Recently, I've come across a few edits where a new editor or IP tries to adds a source, but the source is to another Wikipedia article, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Howard_Hughes&diff=prev&oldid=817348321">like this</a>. I couldn't find a pre-written template explaining why they shouldn't do that, so I <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AETSummerlin&type=revision&diff=817350714&oldid=817339728">wrote them an explanation myself</a>, but it seems like we could use a better, official template for the issue. <a href="/wiki/User:Egsan_Bacon" title="User:Egsan Bacon">Egsan Bacon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Egsan_Bacon" title="User talk:Egsan Bacon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Egsan_Bacon-2018-01-23T00:31:00.000Z-New_Template_Suggestion:_Use_of_another_Wikipedia_article_as_a_source" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:31, 23 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Egsan_Bacon-2018-01-23T00:31:00.000Z-New_Template_Suggestion:_Use_of_another_Wikipedia_article_as_a_source"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Egsan_Bacon-2018-01-23T00:31:00.000Z-New_Template_Suggestion:_Use_of_another_Wikipedia_article_as_a_source"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doniago-2018-01-23T17:21:00.000Z-Egsan_Bacon-2018-01-23T00:31:00.000Z"></span>I wouldn't object to such a template, especially if it could be incorporated into Twinkle. Maybe just a single-level notification versus multi-tier; I don't think I've ever had to issue multiples for this, and if I did, it would likely fall under disruptive editing in any case. <a href="/wiki/User:Doniago" title="User:Doniago">DonIago</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doniago" title="User talk:Doniago">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Doniago-2018-01-23T17:21:00.000Z-Egsan_Bacon-2018-01-23T00:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 23 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doniago-2018-01-23T17:21:00.000Z-Egsan_Bacon-2018-01-23T00:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doniago-2018-01-23T17:21:00.000Z-Egsan_Bacon-2018-01-23T00:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilCat-2018-01-23T17:30:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-23T17:21:00.000Z"></span>I concur with the need for such a Template. We do need to make it clear that this applies to Wikipedias in other languages too. - <a href="/wiki/User:BilCat" title="User:BilCat">BilCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilCat" title="User talk:BilCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-BilCat-2018-01-23T17:30:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-23T17:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 23 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilCat-2018-01-23T17:30:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-23T17:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilCat-2018-01-23T17:30:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-23T17:21:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-23T18:04:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-23T17:21:00.000Z"></span>Or maybe one generally about unreliable sources, mentioning self-published and user-contributed material like wikis (including Wikipedia)... After a quick look I see a warning about unsourced content, but not one about unreliable sources. —<a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-23T18:04:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-23T17:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 23 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-23T18:04:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-23T17:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-23T18:04:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-23T17:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2018-01-23T18:29:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-23T18:04:00.000Z"></span>Actually <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-unsourced1" title="Template:Uw-unsourced1">uw-unsourced1</a>}}</code> and its successors say "you didn't provide a <i>reliable</i> source", so it would be possible to use this with the <code>Additional text</code> parameter to add something like "Sorry, we don't consider other Wikipedia articles to be a reliable source: please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WINARS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WINARS">this page</a> for more explanation"<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2018-01-23T18:29:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-23T18:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 23 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2018-01-23T18:29:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-23T18:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2018-01-23T18:29:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-23T18:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilCat-2018-01-23T18:44:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-23T18:29:00.000Z"></span>It would still be helpful to have a dedicated template for the issue to avoid having to type additional text, for various reasons. - <a href="/wiki/User:BilCat" title="User:BilCat">BilCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilCat" title="User talk:BilCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-BilCat-2018-01-23T18:44:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-23T18:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 23 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilCat-2018-01-23T18:44:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-23T18:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilCat-2018-01-23T18:44:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-23T18:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnAwesomeArticleEditor-2018-01-27T16:39:00.000Z-BilCat-2018-01-23T18:44:00.000Z"></span>This seems like a good idea. If there's more consensus I'll make the template. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:AnAwesomeArticleEditor" class="mw-redirect" title="User:AnAwesomeArticleEditor">AnAwesomeArticleEditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnAwesomeArticleEditor#top" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:AnAwesomeArticleEditor">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AnAwesomeArticleEditor" title="Special:Contributions/AnAwesomeArticleEditor">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-AnAwesomeArticleEditor-2018-01-27T16:39:00.000Z-BilCat-2018-01-23T18:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 27 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnAwesomeArticleEditor-2018-01-27T16:39:00.000Z-BilCat-2018-01-23T18:44:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnAwesomeArticleEditor-2018-01-27T16:39:00.000Z-BilCat-2018-01-23T18:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_warning_template(s)_for_addition_of_random_characters?" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_warning_template(s)_for_addition_of_random_characters?-2018-01-15T03:27:00.000Z"><span id="New_warning_template.28s.29_for_addition_of_random_characters.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_warning_template(s)_for_addition_of_random_characters?-2018-01-15T03:27:00.000Z"></span>New warning template(s) for addition of random characters?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_warning_template(s)_for_addition_of_random_characters?-2018-01-15T03:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Nth_User-2018-01-15T03:27:00.000Z-New_warning_template(s)_for_addition_of_random_characters?"></span>Basically, I'm suggesting templatafying <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:117.209.181.54&oldid=820518957">this example</a>, which I typed by hand instead of substituting a template. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Nth_User" title="User talk:The Nth User">Care to differ or discuss with me?</a> <a href="/wiki/User:The_Nth_User" title="User:The Nth User">The N<sup>th</sup> User</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-The_Nth_User-2018-01-15T03:27:00.000Z-New_warning_template(s)_for_addition_of_random_characters?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:27, 15 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Nth_User-2018-01-15T03:27:00.000Z-New_warning_template(s)_for_addition_of_random_characters?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Nth_User-2018-01-15T03:27:00.000Z-New_warning_template(s)_for_addition_of_random_characters?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DIYeditor-2018-01-15T03:49:00.000Z-The_Nth_User-2018-01-15T03:27:00.000Z"></span>Seems like that is covered by "test edits"? If it were to be added as a new template I think it should be "stray characters", not random, because often in these cases it's not random. And it could invite the user to read instructions for new editors. <a href="/wiki/User:DIYeditor" title="User:DIYeditor">—DIYeditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DIYeditor" title="User talk:DIYeditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-DIYeditor-2018-01-15T03:49:00.000Z-The_Nth_User-2018-01-15T03:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:49, 15 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DIYeditor-2018-01-15T03:49:00.000Z-The_Nth_User-2018-01-15T03:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DIYeditor-2018-01-15T03:49:00.000Z-The_Nth_User-2018-01-15T03:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Nth_User-2018-01-15T03:57:00.000Z-DIYeditor-2018-01-15T03:49:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Nth_User" title="User talk:The Nth User">Care to differ or discuss with me?</a> <a href="/wiki/User:The_Nth_User" title="User:The Nth User">The N<sup>th</sup> User</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-The_Nth_User-2018-01-15T03:57:00.000Z-DIYeditor-2018-01-15T03:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:57, 15 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Nth_User-2018-01-15T03:57:00.000Z-DIYeditor-2018-01-15T03:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Nth_User-2018-01-15T03:57:00.000Z-DIYeditor-2018-01-15T03:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beeblebrox-2018-01-15T04:04:00.000Z-The_Nth_User-2018-01-15T03:57:00.000Z"></span>This seems like it’s already covered by either disruptive editing or plain old vandalism. I don’t see a need to start micro-parsing what kind of disruptive editing a person is doing, if they add random gibberish to an article, they know they aren’t helping. <a href="/wiki/User:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Beeblebrox">Beeblebrox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Beeblebrox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Beeblebrox-2018-01-15T04:04:00.000Z-The_Nth_User-2018-01-15T03:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:04, 15 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beeblebrox-2018-01-15T04:04:00.000Z-The_Nth_User-2018-01-15T03:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beeblebrox-2018-01-15T04:04:00.000Z-The_Nth_User-2018-01-15T03:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DIYeditor-2018-01-15T05:27:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2018-01-15T04:04:00.000Z"></span>Originally I was going to say test edits, vandalism or disruptive editing but I think the last two have an apparent intent whereas what was cited here, and is often the case with these stray character/gibberish situations, is that it looks like the user just didn't know how to edit or what appropriate changes would be. What usually seems to have happened is that the user got the edit box with a bunch of source code in it, started typing somewhere with some not-entirely-apparent goal in mind, and ended up with garbage. In the spirit of not biting newbies I think the relevant template could go further in directing them to help pages. <a href="/wiki/User:DIYeditor" title="User:DIYeditor">—DIYeditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DIYeditor" title="User talk:DIYeditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-DIYeditor-2018-01-15T05:27:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2018-01-15T04:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:27, 15 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DIYeditor-2018-01-15T05:27:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2018-01-15T04:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DIYeditor-2018-01-15T05:27:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2018-01-15T04:04:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2018-01-27T17:43:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2018-01-15T04:04:00.000Z"></span>If there is no clear intent of vandalism do we really need to leave a "warning" at all? <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Jeh-2018-01-27T17:43:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2018-01-15T04:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 27 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2018-01-27T17:43:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2018-01-15T04:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2018-01-27T17:43:00.000Z-Beeblebrox-2018-01-15T04:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NOR1_and_others_perhaps_overly-welcoming?" data-mw-thread-id="h-NOR1_and_others_perhaps_overly-welcoming?-2018-01-27T04:27:00.000Z"><span id="NOR1_and_others_perhaps_overly-welcoming.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NOR1_and_others_perhaps_overly-welcoming?-2018-01-27T04:27:00.000Z"></span>NOR1 and others perhaps overly-welcoming?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NOR1_and_others_perhaps_overly-welcoming?-2018-01-27T04:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-nor1" title="Template:Uw-nor1"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doniago-2018-01-27T04:27:00.000Z-NOR1_and_others_perhaps_overly-welcoming?"></span>Template:uw-nor1</a> currently begins with "Welcome to Wikipedia. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, but we cannot accept original research..." I think it's a little sloppy that we have the word 'welcome' twice in five words. Any support for changing the following sentence to simply read "We appreciate your contributions..."? </p><p>Not sure how many other templates may currently have the same issue, but would there be support for updating any others in this manner as well? <a href="/wiki/User:Doniago" title="User:Doniago">DonIago</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doniago" title="User talk:Doniago">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Doniago-2018-01-27T04:27:00.000Z-NOR1_and_others_perhaps_overly-welcoming?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:27, 27 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doniago-2018-01-27T04:27:00.000Z-NOR1_and_others_perhaps_overly-welcoming?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doniago-2018-01-27T04:27:00.000Z-NOR1_and_others_perhaps_overly-welcoming?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T08:05:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-27T04:27:00.000Z"></span>None</i> of these template messages should have "Welcome to Wikipedia" on them. Every talk page should have a 'welcome message' template added at the top (graphical is my preference), at least in the beginning. If anyone goes to a talk page to post a template warning and there is not 'welcome' message, then they should add one. (I always do) I actually think this should be written into the guidelines, or perhaps just have it so that anytime a new account makes it's first edit, the talk page automatically has a welcome message added to it. I think it would be beneficial to both the new user and the project. Also, IP user talk pages often have the 'shared IP' template added, which is another welcome message. So, no... these messages don't need to say 'welcome'. (my .02¢) - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T08:05:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-27T04:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:05, 27 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T08:05:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-27T04:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T08:05:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-27T04:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doniago-2018-01-27T10:18:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T08:05:00.000Z"></span>Perhaps this could be incorporated into Twinkle's logic? <a href="/wiki/User:Doniago" title="User:Doniago">DonIago</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doniago" title="User talk:Doniago">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Doniago-2018-01-27T10:18:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T08:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:18, 27 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doniago-2018-01-27T10:18:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T08:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doniago-2018-01-27T10:18:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T08:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeh-2018-01-27T17:48:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-27T10:18:00.000Z"></span>If it's built into TW then there should be an opt-out checkmark. When the only edit history is several instances of clearly intended vandalism, or worse, "welcome" is inappropriate. Revert, Block, Ignore. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeh" title="User talk:Jeh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Jeh-2018-01-27T17:48:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-27T10:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 27 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeh-2018-01-27T17:48:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-27T10:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeh-2018-01-27T17:48:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-27T10:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AnAwesomeArticleEditor-2018-01-27T21:41:00.000Z-Jeh-2018-01-27T17:48:00.000Z"></span>Strong support</b>. There are cases where the user isn't a newbie but L1 is appropriate. I'd like to see this change made (or I could do it myself — <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold" title="Wikipedia:Be bold">wp:Be bold</a>.) —<a href="/wiki/User:AnAwesomeArticleEditor" class="mw-redirect" title="User:AnAwesomeArticleEditor">AnAwesomeArticleEditor</a> (<span style="display:inline-block;margin-bottom:-0.3em;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1.2em;font-size:80%;text-align:left"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnAwesomeArticleEditor" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:AnAwesomeArticleEditor">talk</a><br/><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AnAwesomeArticleEditor" title="Special:Contributions/AnAwesomeArticleEditor">contribs</a></span>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-AnAwesomeArticleEditor-2018-01-27T21:41:00.000Z-Jeh-2018-01-27T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 27 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnAwesomeArticleEditor-2018-01-27T21:41:00.000Z-Jeh-2018-01-27T17:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AnAwesomeArticleEditor-2018-01-27T21:41:00.000Z-Jeh-2018-01-27T17:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T22:57:00.000Z-AnAwesomeArticleEditor-2018-01-27T21:41:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jeh" title="User:Jeh">Jeh</a>:</span> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">When the only edit history is several instances of clearly intended vandalism, or worse, "welcome" is inappropriate.</q> - <b>Completely disagree</b>. By adding the 'welcome' template, it shows we've made an effort to inform, and maybe even convert, a would-be vandal. At the very least, it eliminates the excuse "<i>I didn't know</i>", which some very pro-AGF admins buy from time to time. And, that's just for registered accounts. 'Welcome' templates are even more crucial for IP accounts because there could be, and often is, multiple users on the others end. One might be a vandal, but the next guy could be someone completely inexperienced, but well-intended, that could obviously benefit from the 'welcome' message and all the included links. - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T22:57:00.000Z-AnAwesomeArticleEditor-2018-01-27T21:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 27 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T22:57:00.000Z-AnAwesomeArticleEditor-2018-01-27T21:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T22:57:00.000Z-AnAwesomeArticleEditor-2018-01-27T21:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-28T16:14:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T22:57:00.000Z"></span>Seconded. —<a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-28T16:14:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T22:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 28 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-28T16:14:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T22:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-28T16:14:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T22:57:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doniago-2018-01-28T17:26:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T22:57:00.000Z"></span>Having recently received the equivalent of a trouting by an admin for essentially not having been as nice to a new, non-IP editor as the admin thought I maybe could have been, I'm forced to agree as well. I neglected to point out that they'd just templated a regular in the process, figuring that merely deleting their message was the best course. <a href="/wiki/User:Doniago" title="User:Doniago">DonIago</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doniago" title="User talk:Doniago">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Doniago-2018-01-28T17:26:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T22:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 28 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doniago-2018-01-28T17:26:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T22:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doniago-2018-01-28T17:26:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T22:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2018-01-28T23:55:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-27T04:27:00.000Z"></span>We've gone well beyond the original proposal to remove two words from one template (which I support), but I'd just point out that we already have <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Welcometest" title="Template:Welcometest">welcometest</a>}}</code>, <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Welcomevandal" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Welcomevandal">welcomevandal</a>}}</code>, <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Welcomeunsourced" title="Template:Welcomeunsourced">welcomeunsourced</a>}}</code> and others, which combine a welcome with a telling-off<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2018-01-28T23:55:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-27T04:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:55, 28 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2018-01-28T23:55:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-27T04:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2018-01-28T23:55:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-01-27T04:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doniago-2018-01-29T03:39:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-28T23:55:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the support, and the acknowledgment that we've drifted off-topic a bit. Nobody seems to be opposed to the edit I proposed, but I'll give it a few more days before I make or request any formal changes. <a href="/wiki/User:Doniago" title="User:Doniago">DonIago</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doniago" title="User talk:Doniago">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Doniago-2018-01-29T03:39:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-28T23:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:39, 29 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doniago-2018-01-29T03:39:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-28T23:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doniago-2018-01-29T03:39:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-28T23:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doniago-2018-02-02T01:08:00.000Z-NOR1_and_others_perhaps_overly-welcoming?"></span>I've edited the NOR1 template as nobody seemed to have any objection to that. I didn't see any others that had the issue with duplicate uses of "welcome". Happy to continue the discussion of whether a welcome template should be added when a user warning is the first thing being added to a user talk page (that seems to be what we're getting at?), but that wasn't really my initiative. Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:Doniago" title="User:Doniago">DonIago</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doniago" title="User talk:Doniago">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Doniago-2018-02-02T01:08:00.000Z-NOR1_and_others_perhaps_overly-welcoming?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:08, 2 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doniago-2018-02-02T01:08:00.000Z-NOR1_and_others_perhaps_overly-welcoming?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doniago-2018-02-02T01:08:00.000Z-NOR1_and_others_perhaps_overly-welcoming?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="request_a_slight_change" data-mw-thread-id="h-request_a_slight_change-2018-01-01T02:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-request_a_slight_change-2018-01-01T02:21:00.000Z"></span>request a slight change<span data-mw-comment-end="h-request_a_slight_change-2018-01-01T02:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T02:21:00.000Z-request_a_slight_change"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-vandalism1" title="Template:Uw-vandalism1">Template:Uw-vandalism1</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dt>change current text for <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-vandalism1" title="Template:Uw-vandalism1">Template:Uw-vandalism1</a> from;</dt></dl> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Hello, I'm <a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Example</a>. I wanted to let you know that one or more of <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Template_index/User_talk_namespace" title="Special:Contributions/Template index/User talk namespace">your recent contributions</a> have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox" title="Wikipedia:Sandbox">sandbox</a>. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales" title="User talk:Jimbo Wales">my talk page</a>. Thanks. </p> <dl><dt>to;</dt></dl> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Hello, I'm <a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Example</a>. I wanted to let you know that one or more of <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Template_index/User_talk_namespace" title="Special:Contributions/Template index/User talk namespace">your recent contributions</a> have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox" title="Wikipedia:Sandbox">sandbox</a>. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HD">Help Desk</a>. Thanks. </p><p>Thank you - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T02:21:00.000Z-request_a_slight_change" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 1 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T02:21:00.000Z-request_a_slight_change"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T02:21:00.000Z-request_a_slight_change"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_of_Reading-2018-01-01T08:06:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T02:21:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/30px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62"/></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> please establish a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a> for this alteration <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">before</a></b> using the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_template-protected" title="Template:Edit template-protected">edit template-protected</a>}}</code> template. This is not a "slight change". -- <a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_of_Reading" title="User talk:John of Reading">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-John_of_Reading-2018-01-01T08:06:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T02:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:06, 1 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_of_Reading-2018-01-01T08:06:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T02:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_of_Reading-2018-01-01T08:06:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T02:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T16:26:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2018-01-01T08:06:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a>:</span> - <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">This is not a "slight change".</q> - Of course it is. The notice basically <i>remains the same</i>, except at the end, we're now simply directing these would-be vandals to the help desk where they are less likely to vandalize further and more likely to be set in the right direction, instead of inviting them back to our own talk pages to vandalize further in revenge for being reverted and warned. This is win-win. Now if you can't see that for yourself, just how and where do you propose I establish consensus for this? (and thanks for linking "consensus", I had no idea what it meant). Do I just wait and see if anyone happens to pass by this section, of this page, and !votes? As a template editor, surely you can make minor, obvious improvements on your own? Especially one like this that is <i>not</i> "<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">controversial</a></b>", (and save me the trouble of manually changing each notice to this new variant anyway, every time I use the template... ) Thanks - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T16:26:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2018-01-01T08:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 1 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T16:26:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2018-01-01T08:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T16:26:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2018-01-01T08:06:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2018-01-01T17:26:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T16:26:00.000Z"></span>I don't agree with the proposed change, as I think those placing these templated user notices should be prepared to justify them if challenged. There is also a saving of labour this way, as the editor placing the template already knows why, whereas a help desk volunteer would have to look up the edit and its context before concocting a reply.</li></ul> <dl><dd>Many of the new or inexperienced editors or IPs who receive these Level 1 user messages are not malicious vandals (and the message doesn't accuse them of this), just not aware of Wikipedia standards and practice. However, in my experience it is quite rare for such editors to take up the invitation to my talk page. If they respond at all, they just repeat the edit, or type something on their <i>own</i> talk page below the template, without a ping so it's only picked up if I am watching that talk page. But if they <i>are</i> bent on mischief, isn't it better for them to temporarily damage one user's talk page rather than a highly visible venue like a help desk?</dd> <dd>Now about seeking consensus: if a proposal on the relevant project talk page isn't getting a response, there are the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump" title="Wikipedia:Village pump">village pumps</a>. But this page I see has 840 watchers, and doubles as the talk page for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_warnings" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject User warnings">the WikiProject on user warnings</a>. It should attract an adequate range of views (he says hopefully)<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2018-01-01T17:26:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T16:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 1 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2018-01-01T17:26:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T16:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2018-01-01T17:26:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T16:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T17:49:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-01T17:26:00.000Z"></span>Well, thank you for your response. But, I'm not clear how it supports, or really even explains your "oppose". To quote your own words; "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">...in my experience it is quite rare for such editors to take up the invitation to my talk page.</q>", so, again... then why are we adding this suggestion at the end of the message? You go on to say; "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">If they respond at all, they just repeat the edit, or type something on their <i>own</i> talk page below the template, without a ping so it's only picked up if I am watching that talk page.</q>" Sounds like they could benefit from some advice if they were directed to, say... the help desk? But you oppose that because; "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">There is also a saving of labour this way,</q>" (not directing them to the help desk) "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">as the editor placing the template already knows why, whereas a help desk volunteer would have to look up the edit and its context before concocting a reply.</q>" But, isn't that why the volunteers are at the help desk in the first place? You want to "save them the trouble of helping people"...? And how labor-intensive is it <i>really</i> to click a link or two? Anyway, like I said... thank you for your response. Despite the oppose, it actually helps support my proposed change. Cheers - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T17:49:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-01T17:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:49, 1 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T17:49:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-01T17:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-01T17:49:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-01T17:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-06T20:04:00.000Z-request_a_slight_change"></span>Well, that's 2 out of 840. Anyone else? - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-06T20:04:00.000Z-request_a_slight_change" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 6 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-06T20:04:00.000Z-request_a_slight_change"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-06T20:04:00.000Z-request_a_slight_change"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DIYeditor-2018-01-07T02:15:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-06T20:04:00.000Z"></span>This change is not minor because it removes the advice on what the user should do if (they believe) they were templated in error. If it was a mistake why should they go to the help desk? I have indeed hesitated to use this template at times because of it directing the user back to my page, which even adding a signature does, but I don't think this proposed change adequately addresses the scenarios now covered. <del>What other first step should someone take in the event of an erroneous template? I can't think of anything more appropriate.</del> <a href="/wiki/User:DIYeditor" title="User:DIYeditor">—DIYeditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DIYeditor" title="User talk:DIYeditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-DIYeditor-2018-01-07T02:15:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-06T20:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 7 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DIYeditor-2018-01-07T02:15:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-06T20:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DIYeditor-2018-01-07T02:15:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-06T20:04:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-07T09:40:00.000Z-DIYeditor-2018-01-07T02:15:00.000Z"></span>Well, like you said, our signature is right there at the end of the message, with a link to our user/talk page. If they feel we've made a mistake, and they are knowledgeable enough, they can tell us directly what they think with one click. If they lack even that basic usage knowledge, then the help desk is <i>exactly</i> where we should be directing them. Like I said, it's win-win. Not sure why you guys keep saying you 'oppose' this change while at the same time posting comments that <i>support</i> it. So let's just change it already. I'm sure the whole project won't collapse overnight. If it does, just tell Jim and the gang to blame me. - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-07T09:40:00.000Z-DIYeditor-2018-01-07T02:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:40, 7 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-07T09:40:00.000Z-DIYeditor-2018-01-07T02:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-07T09:40:00.000Z-DIYeditor-2018-01-07T02:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2018-01-07T09:51:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-06T20:04:00.000Z"></span>One way to pull in more opinions would be to make an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RfC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RfC">RfC</a> of it, and it <i>is</i> important to ensure that we have these wordings right in view of the sheer volume of use, with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22have+been+undone+because+they+did+not+appear+constructive.+%22&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns3=1&searchToken=cb9w6ugrqwjlkzns5ojfop9zu">200,000 uses</a> of <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-vandalism1" title="Template:Uw-vandalism1">uw-vandalism1</a>}}</code> and another 150,000 uses of <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-unsourced1" title="Template:Uw-unsourced1">uw-unsourced1</a>}}</code>. That said, consensus for changing the wordings is rarely reached as seen in previous discussions here, such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#uw-unsourced1_explanation_of_WP:BURDEN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace/Archive 15">this</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#"you_can_leave_me_a_message_on_my_talk_page"" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace/Archive 15">this</a>, and it will be pointed out that the wordings were extensively tested by WMF (details <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_A/B_testing/Results">here</a>)<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2018-01-07T09:51:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-06T20:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:51, 7 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2018-01-07T09:51:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-06T20:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2018-01-07T09:51:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-06T20:04:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-07T11:23:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-07T09:51:00.000Z"></span>Great! More bureaucracy and grief. Thanks for the reply, but I think it'll just be easier for me to continue changing the wording manually after I add the template, instead of dancing in this circus just to request such a minor and obvious improvement. Good work everyone, carry on... - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-07T11:23:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-07T09:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:23, 7 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-07T11:23:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-07T09:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-07T11:23:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-07T09:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2018-01-07T13:54:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-07T11:23:00.000Z"></span>For editors who prefer not to offer to deal with any comeback themselves, or don't like the wording for any other reason, they may always set up an amended template for their own use: just copy over the code of the existing template, amend the wording to taste, and save as a user subpage<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2018-01-07T13:54:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-07T11:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 7 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2018-01-07T13:54:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-07T11:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2018-01-07T13:54:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-07T11:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-07T19:01:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-07T13:54:00.000Z"></span>That's something I was considering last night before I turned in/off, but thanks for the tip. Cheers - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-07T19:01:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-07T13:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 7 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-07T19:01:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-07T13:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-07T19:01:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-07T13:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-09T08:54:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-07T09:51:00.000Z"></span>This reminds me that I usually avoid using level-1 templates, starting with level-2, for this reason. There are exceptions where I want to invite discussion on my user page, but I often find it unproductive for blatant vandalism warnings. —<a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-09T08:54:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-07T09:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:54, 9 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-09T08:54:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-07T09:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-09T08:54:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-07T09:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-14T15:40:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-09T08:54:00.000Z"></span>I've actually noticed that quite a few editors go straight to the second level templates, and I imagine that in most cases it's for the same reason we've mentioned here. People aren't interested in inviting drama to their own talk pages just because they volunteered some of their time to help the project and clean up the vandalism. I did notice that the <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-nor1" title="Template:Uw-nor1">Template:Uw-nor1</a> notice doesn't invite people back to the posters talk page, and yet the project survives. Still not sure why the other notices can't follow suit. <a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a> has become silent on the subject. Anyway... we're up to 4 out of 840, we're really rolling now! - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-14T15:40:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-09T08:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 14 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-14T15:40:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-09T08:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-14T15:40:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-09T08:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DIYeditor-2018-01-14T21:51:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-14T15:40:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild">Thewolfchild</a>:</span> I imagine 4 out of 840 is about as far as this is going to go without attracting some attention first. Maybe you could start an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFC">RfC</a> on removing the invitation to the warning user's talk page from <i>all</i> the level 1 templates? Any arguments for one apply to the others, and I see that this is in every one that I checked (just the first few that stood out on the page admittedly). This really would require some broader consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:DIYeditor" title="User:DIYeditor">—DIYeditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DIYeditor" title="User talk:DIYeditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-DIYeditor-2018-01-14T21:51:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-14T15:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 14 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DIYeditor-2018-01-14T21:51:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-14T15:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DIYeditor-2018-01-14T21:51:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-14T15:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-14T21:59:00.000Z-DIYeditor-2018-01-14T21:51:00.000Z"></span>I'm surprised it got this many replies. I'll think about doing an RfC, but I have feeling it would be a waste of time. Thanks for the replies though... - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-14T21:59:00.000Z-DIYeditor-2018-01-14T21:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 14 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-14T21:59:00.000Z-DIYeditor-2018-01-14T21:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-14T21:59:00.000Z-DIYeditor-2018-01-14T21:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="impromptu_straw_poll" data-mw-thread-id="h-impromptu_straw_poll-request_a_slight_change-2018-01-14T22:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-impromptu_straw_poll-request_a_slight_change-2018-01-14T22:51:00.000Z"></span>impromptu straw poll<span data-mw-comment-end="h-impromptu_straw_poll-request_a_slight_change-2018-01-14T22:51:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DIYeditor-2018-01-14T22:51:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span>Support</b> removal of invitation to user talk page from level 1 warning templates. I think this is actually an interesting question since it appears in some of the most sensitive level 1 warnings but not the others. A "tech" RfC might not get much more attention than this section has already but if it were advertised as well in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)">Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)</a> I'm sure it would get a response. <a href="/wiki/User:DIYeditor" title="User:DIYeditor">—DIYeditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DIYeditor" title="User talk:DIYeditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-DIYeditor-2018-01-14T22:51:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 14 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DIYeditor-2018-01-14T22:51:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DIYeditor-2018-01-14T22:51:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jytdog-2018-01-15T03:17:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span>support</b> removing to come to "my" talk page. I often change to "leave a message below", which I think is better, but the HelpDesk is better than "my talk page". <a href="/wiki/User:Jytdog" title="User:Jytdog">Jytdog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jytdog" title="User talk:Jytdog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Jytdog-2018-01-15T03:17:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:17, 15 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jytdog-2018-01-15T03:17:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jytdog-2018-01-15T03:17:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-15T06:21:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span>Support</b> (as requester) woohoo, we're off to the races... - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-15T06:21:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:21, 15 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-15T06:21:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-15T06:21:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-15T08:19:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span>Support</b> per my comment above. —<a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-15T08:19:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:19, 15 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-15T08:19:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-15T08:19:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2018-01-15T17:26:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span>Oppose</b> There are those among us who deprecate the whole practice of sending templated messages via Twinkle. Myself, I think the system is a great time-saver; but the anti-template case is strengthened if we seem to want to delegate to someone else the task of dealing with any feedback. Why shouldn't we even offer to explain or justify our own actions? As far as I know the present messages are not causing anyone's talk page to be overwhelmed with constant vandalism<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2018-01-15T17:26:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 15 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2018-01-15T17:26:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2018-01-15T17:26:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-18T10:16:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-15T17:26:00.000Z"></span>One thing I noticed (from experience when I used level-1) is that it also encourages editors to debate on personal user pages instead of at the relevant article's talk page (so I had to redirect discussions). Justification is usually already done via edit summaries with a relevant link to policy, style guide, etc. —<a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-18T10:16:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-15T17:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:16, 18 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-18T10:16:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-15T17:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-18T10:16:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-15T17:26:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-18T10:17:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-15T17:26:00.000Z"></span>Oh and the template should ideally be chosen to give a good idea of what was wrong of course... —<a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-18T10:17:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-15T17:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:17, 18 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-18T10:17:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-15T17:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-18T10:17:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-01-15T17:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-18T14:06:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-18T10:17:00.000Z"></span>Agree, and to reply to Noysters point, I actually use the optional comment sections often and write addition information. I also ensure every talk page has a 'welcome' template, and if it doesn't, I add one and direct the user to read thru it. And I will say again, we sign these notices with links to our talk pages. If the user wants to contact us directly, and not about an article issue, then our tp is a click away. This express invite is simply not needed and the notice would be better served if the user was directed to someplace more beneficial to them, like the help desk, or the teahouse, or the ref desk, or the pump, or the bah-zillion links in the welcome template that could address more specific issues. Thus far, I have not seen one, solid reason to not make this change, other than "I don't want to". But if you "deprecate" the use of these notices in the first place, what do you care what they say? - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-18T14:06:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-18T10:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 18 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-18T14:06:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-18T10:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-18T14:06:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-01-18T10:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T07:54:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a>:</span> Hi, as you can see, there was a discussion and now consensus in support of the change I proposed. So if you see that done, it would be appreciated. Thanks - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T07:54:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:54, 27 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T07:54:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T07:54:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_of_Reading-2018-01-27T08:19:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T07:54:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild">Thewolfchild</a>:</span> I have no experience in evaluating a consensus. I have re-activated the edit request so that other template editors or admins will look at it. -- <a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_of_Reading" title="User talk:John of Reading">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-John_of_Reading-2018-01-27T08:19:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T07:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:19, 27 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_of_Reading-2018-01-27T08:19:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T07:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_of_Reading-2018-01-27T08:19:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T07:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T17:39:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2018-01-27T08:19:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a>:</span> -This has now been up for <b>27 days</b>... is there <i>really</i> a need to drag this out any further? I followed your <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace&diff=818061045&oldid=818026621">request</a>, a number of editors responded, a straw poll shows a consensus in favour of the change. This is why you have template editor tool (and anyone having this tool should be able to "evaluate" a simple and obvious consensus). Please drop the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:STICK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:STICK">WP:STICK</a> already and make the change the community has asked for. Thank you. - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T17:39:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2018-01-27T08:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 27 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T17:39:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2018-01-27T08:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T17:39:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2018-01-27T08:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_of_Reading-2018-01-27T20:03:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T17:39:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild">Thewolfchild</a>:</span> I no longer have the right to edit this template. -- <a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_of_Reading" title="User talk:John of Reading">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-John_of_Reading-2018-01-27T20:03:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:03, 27 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_of_Reading-2018-01-27T20:03:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T17:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_of_Reading-2018-01-27T20:03:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T17:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T22:44:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2018-01-27T20:03:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:John_of_Reading" title="User:John of Reading">John of Reading</a>:</span> Wow. That's, um... a little dramatic. But still, probably for the best. Anyhow, best of luck to you in your future editing endeavors. - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T22:44:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2018-01-27T20:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 27 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T22:44:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2018-01-27T20:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T22:44:00.000Z-John_of_Reading-2018-01-27T20:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T23:06:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span>OK, so... is there a template editor here, that still has his or her rights, that can make this change now? Please? - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T23:06:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 27 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T23:06:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T23:06:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-2018-01-27T23:14:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T23:06:00.000Z"></span>I've gone ahead and <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/822692311" title="Special:Diff/822692311">made the change</a>. Best, <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">Kevin</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-L235-2018-01-27T23:14:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T23:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 27 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-2018-01-27T23:14:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T23:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-2018-01-27T23:14:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T23:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T23:20:00.000Z-L235-2018-01-27T23:14:00.000Z"></span>Thanks & Cheers - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T23:20:00.000Z-L235-2018-01-27T23:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:20, 27 January 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T23:20:00.000Z-L235-2018-01-27T23:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T23:20:00.000Z-L235-2018-01-27T23:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mz7-2018-02-02T00:30:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T23:06:00.000Z"></span>I did not notice this proposal until after the change was made, since I don't follow this talk page. Nevertheless, I would like to register an <b>oppose</b> and would ask that this be reverted. If the purpose of this is to reduce riff raff, wouldn't this just move the riff raff from one location to another? I fear this change would actually invite vandalism to an even <i>more</i> highly visible location (the Help Desk surely has more people watching it than your average user talk page). Moreover, I think Noyster has it right when they point out that editors using these warnings should be prepared to justify them when asked, and while this new wording does not directly preclude that, it seems to discourage it by pointing to a different location where questions about the warning should sent. In other words, I'm afraid this new wording gives the impression, "If you think I made a mistake, go complain about it elsewhere." <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> The least problematic solution is to keep on doing what has always worked: If a new user asks you a question because of this template, help the user by responding to the question yourself. If a vandal decides to vandalize your talk page because of this template, just take the two seconds to click the rollback button. So far, however, user talk pages have not been overwhelmed with vandalism because of this template. <a href="/wiki/User:Mz7" title="User:Mz7">Mz7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mz7" title="User talk:Mz7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Mz7-2018-02-02T00:30:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T23:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:30, 2 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mz7-2018-02-02T00:30:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T23:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mz7-2018-02-02T00:30:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-01-27T23:06:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mz7-2018-02-02T00:43:00.000Z-Mz7-2018-02-02T00:30:00.000Z"></span>Just to add, I also think it's a mistake to assume that new editors automatically know how to contact other users via a user talk page. It may not be obvious to new editors that the "(talk)" button in signatures is a page where you can contact that editor (yes, this seems like it should be common sense to us experienced editors, but believe me, new editors don't necessarily know this), and as a matter of fact, some editors have customized their signatures so that they either don't contain a link to their user talk page or it's less conspicuous. I just don't see this as the "win-win" that others above do because it unnecessarily makes the discussion process more confusing for the new editors we send this warning to. <a href="/wiki/User:Mz7" title="User:Mz7">Mz7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mz7" title="User talk:Mz7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Mz7-2018-02-02T00:43:00.000Z-Mz7-2018-02-02T00:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:43, 2 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mz7-2018-02-02T00:43:00.000Z-Mz7-2018-02-02T00:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mz7-2018-02-02T00:43:00.000Z-Mz7-2018-02-02T00:30:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-02-02T00:49:00.000Z-Mz7-2018-02-02T00:30:00.000Z"></span>Perhaps that the removal of the invitation would be better than redirecting it. One issue that I noticed is that the changes were only done for some of the warnings (i.e. uw-vandal1 but not uw-pov1). It's possible that the change was done too hastily. I support reverting the change for now until a clear consensus can be assessed (~30 days+ discussion), then to if necessary update all relevant level-1 templates for consistency. These have been this way for a while and it's not a critical enough issue to require an urgent fix. Another recently discussed aspect was welcome messages. I have noticed that some templates automatically include a welcome message along if none exists (CSD if I remember); I'm not sure if this is doable for level-1 templates. But if so, it's another aspect to consider, where the chosen welcome message and level-1 template wording could be complementary. Of course, I also remember of editors finding that welcoming a vandal is ridiculous, keeping them independent allows contextual judgement (just like avoiding level-1 and skipping to level-2 is already possible)... —<a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2018-02-02T00:49:00.000Z-Mz7-2018-02-02T00:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 2 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-02-02T00:49:00.000Z-Mz7-2018-02-02T00:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-02-02T00:49:00.000Z-Mz7-2018-02-02T00:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-02-02T02:27:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-02-02T00:49:00.000Z"></span>Well, I would have to oppose any revert of the changes made. This was <u>not</u> "hastily" done, this was posted here for <b>an entire month</b>. We had a consensus and the change was made. We can't just go around undoing every change made by a group just because one person came late and decided they don't like it. What would be the point in ever having discussions and forming consensus in the first place , if a single person can undo it all? I suggest the change remain in place for a minimum 120 days, during which time a wider section of the community can use the template, take notice of the change, and if they have any concerns, post them here. When that time period is up, we can re-visit the issue then, if there is enough feedback to warrant it. - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-02-02T02:27:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-02-02T00:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:27, 2 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-02-02T02:27:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-02-02T00:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-02-02T02:27:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-02-02T00:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-02-02T02:47:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-02-02T00:49:00.000Z"></span>Additional note: to address <a href="/wiki/User:Mz7" title="User:Mz7">Mz7</a>'s specific comments; Please read the <i>entire</i> discussion. There is no effect of "shifting the riff raff from one place to another", and no... this isn't something that has "always" worked. The fact is, our signatures are attached to these templates, with our usernames and a direct link to our talk page. The additional, express invitation is not only redundant, but can be counter-productive. Users who are here solely to vandalize, aren't going to follow <i>any</i> invitations <i>anywhere</i> (except perhaps to vandalize the talk pages of those who just templated them). Users who are knowledgeable enough, will go to our talk pages if they so desire, and users who aren't even knowledgeable enough to do that, should be directed to the help desk. Are you manning your talk page 24/7, ready to help someone who comes along with questions? The help desk is the better venue. Further, people here commented that they specifically skipped the first level template <i>because</i> of the invite and went straight to the second level to avoid inviting people to their talk pages, <i>especially</i> vandals. I have noticed this on numerous IP user talk pages... second level warnings with no first level notice preceding it. I used to do the same thing, then I started re-wording the message afterword, to remove the invite. This is a clear improvement to the template, that can only help the more inexperienced users, and reduce talk page vandalism. There is no 'downside' here. Of course, the only way to prove or disprove this is to leave it be and see. - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-02-02T02:47:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-02-02T00:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:47, 2 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-02-02T02:47:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-02-02T00:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-02-02T02:47:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-02-02T00:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mz7-2018-02-02T03:31:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-02-02T02:47:00.000Z"></span>If an editor feels that their contribution was incorrectly reverted, it is more appropriate for them to contact the user who reverted their edit, rather than post the issue to the help desk. (And it's an unnecessarily roundabout solution to require them to first ask at the help desk "How can I contact this user?" if they can't find where the user talk page is.) <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> If we are skipping level 1 because the vandalism was particularly egregious, then that's okay – that's common practice. However, if we are skipping level 1 on test edits or other minor vandalism just because we don't want to invite the user to contact us, I would argue that we need to adjust our behavior, rather than the template. If we are skipping level 1 because we are concerned that it would invite the user to vandalize our talk pages, then using the very same logic, wouldn't changing the link invite the user to vandalize the help desk (which might even be a more appealing target)? <div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div> In the end, I don't think this is the most pressing of issues facing the encyclopedia, so I'm not sure whether the 30-day RfC is necessary (and I apologize for using so many words already). I just wanted to note that I think the template was better before the change. <a href="/wiki/User:Mz7" title="User:Mz7">Mz7</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mz7" title="User talk:Mz7">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Mz7-2018-02-02T03:31:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-02-02T02:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:31, 2 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mz7-2018-02-02T03:31:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-02-02T02:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mz7-2018-02-02T03:31:00.000Z-Thewolfchild-2018-02-02T02:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-02-02T04:10:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span>There is nothing stopping anyone from contacting an editor that has templated them. But if they don't even know the basics of following a link to a user talk page from a signature, then they are better served at the help desk. If this leads someone to vandalize the help desk, aren't they more likely and quickly to be blocked by an admin, than if they vandalize a user talk page that the user might not even see for days? And, no... it's not "okay" to just skip to level two, not if it's the person's <i>first</i> misstep. They should receive a level one notice and now they are more likely to. Lastly, there is an "optional message" box in the template. You can use that invite level one vandals directly to your talk page anytime you like. But seriously, I don't see why we would want to steer people in need of help <i>away</i> from the help desk? I don't see the benefit in that. - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><i><a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild"><sup>the</sup><b><big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big></b><small>child</small></a></i></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-02-02T04:10:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 2 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-02-02T04:10:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-02-02T04:10:00.000Z-impromptu_straw_poll"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template-protected_edit_request_on_14_February_2018" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_14_February_2018-2018-02-14T10:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_14_February_2018-2018-02-14T10:11:00.000Z"></span>Template-protected edit request on 14 February 2018<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_14_February_2018-2018-02-14T10:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anomalocaris-2018-02-14T10:11:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_14_February_2018"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-ublock" title="Template:Uw-ublock">Template:Uw-ublock</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>This template has a missing end tag for <code><div></code> and the <code></div></code> is misplaced; it doesn't close the <code><div></code> tag and is therefore stripped. <a href="/wiki/User:Anomalocaris" title="User:Anomalocaris">Anomalocaris</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anomalocaris" title="User talk:Anomalocaris">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Anomalocaris-2018-02-14T10:11:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_14_February_2018" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:11, 14 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anomalocaris-2018-02-14T10:11:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_14_February_2018"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anomalocaris-2018-02-14T10:11:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_14_February_2018"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-2018-02-14T20:32:00.000Z-Anomalocaris-2018-02-14T10:11:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Anomalocaris" title="User:Anomalocaris">Anomalocaris</a>:</span> would you please demonstrate the fix you want in <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-ublock/sandbox" title="Template:Uw-ublock/sandbox">Template:Uw-ublock/sandbox</a>? — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Xaosflux-2018-02-14T20:32:00.000Z-Anomalocaris-2018-02-14T10:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 14 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-2018-02-14T20:32:00.000Z-Anomalocaris-2018-02-14T10:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-2018-02-14T20:32:00.000Z-Anomalocaris-2018-02-14T10:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anomalocaris-2018-02-14T22:03:00.000Z-Xaosflux-2018-02-14T20:32:00.000Z"></span>Xaosflux</a>: The two lint errors were external to <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-ublock" title="Template:Uw-ublock">Uw-ublock</a>}}</code>. Sorry for wasting your time. —<a href="/wiki/User:Anomalocaris" title="User:Anomalocaris">Anomalocaris</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anomalocaris" title="User talk:Anomalocaris">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Anomalocaris-2018-02-14T22:03:00.000Z-Xaosflux-2018-02-14T20:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 14 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anomalocaris-2018-02-14T22:03:00.000Z-Xaosflux-2018-02-14T20:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anomalocaris-2018-02-14T22:03:00.000Z-Xaosflux-2018-02-14T20:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Uw-nonfree" data-mw-thread-id="h-Uw-nonfree-2018-02-16T00:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Uw-nonfree-2018-02-16T00:32:00.000Z"></span>Uw-nonfree<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Uw-nonfree-2018-02-16T00:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-2018-02-16T00:32:00.000Z-Uw-nonfree"></span>I'm wondering a slight tweaking of the wording of <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-non-free" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Uw-non-free">Template:uw-non-free</a> by be needed. As currently worded, the second sentence is "We always appreciate when users upload files.", but this template is often used (at least by me) to also notify users inappropriately adding non-free files to articles as well even when they are not the original uploader of the file. There've been a few cases where I've used this template, when the response has been basically of a "I did not upload the file, so this does not apply to me" nature. If I've been misusing this template, it was totally done in good faith and I'll stop using it in such cases. However, tweaking the second sentence to something like "We always appreciate when users upload files or add them to articles." The current third sentence in the template does mention "or added to a page", but some people seem to only read as far as sentence 2. </p><p>While it's true that many non-free files have problems right from the start and the uploader is the person to notify, these mostt often have to do with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FCSD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FCSD">WP:FCSD</a> and can be resolved using those CSD templates. Many non-free files are actually fine for their original intended use, but problems arise when other editors start adding them to other articles where non-free might not be justified. Anyway, tweaking this template is just a suggestion. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Marchjuly-2018-02-16T00:32:00.000Z-Uw-nonfree" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:32, 16 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-2018-02-16T00:32:00.000Z-Uw-nonfree"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-2018-02-16T00:32:00.000Z-Uw-nonfree"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_February_2018" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_February_2018-2018-02-27T21:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_February_2018-2018-02-27T21:19:00.000Z"></span>Template-protected edit request on 27 February 2018<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_February_2018-2018-02-27T21:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-2018-02-27T21:19:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_February_2018"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-ublock" title="Template:Uw-ublock">Template:Uw-ublock</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Please add {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Tfm" title="Template:Tfm">subst:tfm</a>|UsernameSoftBlocked}} (to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-ublock" title="Template:Uw-ublock">Uw-ublock</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>), per a nomination by <span class="plainlinks userlinks"><span class="userlinks-username"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2A02:C7F:963F:BA00:E563:6FD1:3949:3B5F&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2A02:C7F:963F:BA00:E563:6FD1:3949:3B5F (page does not exist)">2A02:C7F:963F:BA00:E563:6FD1:3949:3B5F</a> </span><span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2A02:C7F:963F:BA00:E563:6FD1:3949:3B5F&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2A02:C7F:963F:BA00:E563:6FD1:3949:3B5F (page does not exist)">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A02:C7F:963F:BA00:E563:6FD1:3949:3B5F" title="Special:Contributions/2A02:C7F:963F:BA00:E563:6FD1:3949:3B5F">contribs</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/whois/gateway.py?lookup=true&ip=2A02:C7F:963F:BA00:E563:6FD1:3949:3B5F">WHOIS</a>)</span></span> <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">{{3x|p}}ery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Pppery-2018-02-27T21:19:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_February_2018" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 27 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-2018-02-27T21:19:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_February_2018"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-2018-02-27T21:19:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_February_2018"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bellezzasolo-2018-02-28T04:34:00.000Z-Pppery-2018-02-27T21:19:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Done</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Bellezzasolo" title="User:Bellezzasolo"><span style="color: #bb9900">∰</span><span style="color: #00326a"><b>Bellezzasolo</b></span><span style="color: #bb9900">✡</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bellezzasolo" title="User talk:Bellezzasolo"><small>Discuss</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Bellezzasolo-2018-02-28T04:34:00.000Z-Pppery-2018-02-27T21:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:34, 28 February 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bellezzasolo-2018-02-28T04:34:00.000Z-Pppery-2018-02-27T21:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bellezzasolo-2018-02-28T04:34:00.000Z-Pppery-2018-02-27T21:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_Template:Uw-efblock_a_good_idea?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_Template:Uw-efblock_a_good_idea?-2018-03-06T02:10:00.000Z"><span id="Is_Template:Uw-efblock_a_good_idea.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_Template:Uw-efblock_a_good_idea?-2018-03-06T02:10:00.000Z"></span>Is <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-efblock" title="Template:Uw-efblock">Template:Uw-efblock</a> a good idea?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_Template:Uw-efblock_a_good_idea?-2018-03-06T02:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Airbornemihir-2018-03-06T02:10:00.000Z-Is_Template:Uw-efblock_a_good_idea?"></span>I've seen administrators using it in the recent changes feed. I'm wondering about the kind of message that is sent when someone sees that they have been blocked for falling afoul of an edit filter, which is solely a convenience for editors to find edits that are potentially harmful. It sounds a lot like giving over the control Wikipedia editing privileges to computer systems with minimal manual review. <a href="/wiki/User:Airbornemihir" title="User:Airbornemihir">Airbornemihir</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airbornemihir" title="User talk:Airbornemihir">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Airbornemihir-2018-03-06T02:10:00.000Z-Is_Template:Uw-efblock_a_good_idea?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:10, 6 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Airbornemihir-2018-03-06T02:10:00.000Z-Is_Template:Uw-efblock_a_good_idea?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Airbornemihir-2018-03-06T02:10:00.000Z-Is_Template:Uw-efblock_a_good_idea?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Uw-unsourced1_Daily_Mail" data-mw-thread-id="h-Uw-unsourced1_Daily_Mail-2018-03-07T23:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Uw-unsourced1_Daily_Mail-2018-03-07T23:22:00.000Z"></span>Uw-unsourced1 Daily Mail<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Uw-unsourced1_Daily_Mail-2018-03-07T23:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Iggy_the_Swan" title="User:Iggy the Swan"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-2018-03-07T23:22:00.000Z-Uw-unsourced1_Daily_Mail"></span>Iggy the Swan</a> recently <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/829319456" title="Special:Diff/829319456">added</a> the following sentence to the end of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-unsourced1" title="Template:Uw-unsourced1">Uw-unsourced1</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>: "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Remember that <a href="/wiki/Daily_Mail" title="Daily Mail">Daily Mail</a> sources are not reliable on Wikipedia.</q>" The template is widely used and in my experience, most times this template is used, it's not a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DAILYMAIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DAILYMAIL">WP:DAILYMAIL</a> issue, and when it is, we can talk about that specifically in a comment. I think the addition will confuse new users more than it will clarify, and I accordingly reverted it. Best, <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">Kevin</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-L235-2018-03-07T23:22:00.000Z-Uw-unsourced1_Daily_Mail" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 7 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-2018-03-07T23:22:00.000Z-Uw-unsourced1_Daily_Mail"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-2018-03-07T23:22:00.000Z-Uw-unsourced1_Daily_Mail"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kudpung-2018-03-10T00:28:00.000Z-L235-2018-03-07T23:22:00.000Z"></span>Not only is it not reliable, but its use as a source is generally prohibited. That said, I wonder how many average readers of Wikipedia outside the UK have even heard of the <i>Daily Mail</i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung กุดผึ้ง</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kudpung" title="User talk:Kudpung">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Kudpung-2018-03-10T00:28:00.000Z-L235-2018-03-07T23:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 10 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kudpung-2018-03-10T00:28:00.000Z-L235-2018-03-07T23:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kudpung-2018-03-10T00:28:00.000Z-L235-2018-03-07T23:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Airbornemihir-2018-03-12T18:32:00.000Z-Kudpung-2018-03-10T00:28:00.000Z"></span>The Daily Mail is fairly well known in the United States. <a href="/wiki/User:Airbornemihir" title="User:Airbornemihir">Airbornemihir</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airbornemihir" title="User talk:Airbornemihir">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Airbornemihir-2018-03-12T18:32:00.000Z-Kudpung-2018-03-10T00:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 12 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Airbornemihir-2018-03-12T18:32:00.000Z-Kudpung-2018-03-10T00:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Airbornemihir-2018-03-12T18:32:00.000Z-Kudpung-2018-03-10T00:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-2018-03-12T20:32:00.000Z-L235-2018-03-07T23:22:00.000Z"></span>I'm sorry, I should've clarified. Whatever the merits of creating a uw-dailymail, the inclusion of a sentence about the Daily Mail in uw-unsourced seems confusing and inappropriate to me. That template is probably used hundreds of times a day, and I would wager that in less than 1% of those cases is the use of The Daily Mail remotely relevant. Best, <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">Kevin</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-L235-2018-03-12T20:32:00.000Z-L235-2018-03-07T23:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 12 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-2018-03-12T20:32:00.000Z-L235-2018-03-07T23:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-2018-03-12T20:32:00.000Z-L235-2018-03-07T23:22:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_Request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_Request-2018-03-30T23:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_Request-2018-03-30T23:43:00.000Z"></span>Edit Request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_Request-2018-03-30T23:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sierrak28-2018-03-30T23:43:00.000Z-Edit_Request"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-vandalism2" title="Template:Uw-vandalism2">Template:Uw-vandalism2</a> and <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-disruptive2" title="Template:Uw-disruptive2">Template:Uw-disruptive2</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Ideally, I think the wording between the <a href="/wiki/User:ClueBot_NG/Warnings/Vandal2" title="User:ClueBot NG/Warnings/Vandal2">template that our top RC patroller</a> uses and the templates the rest of the community uses should be similar in wording. In that spirit, I'm requesting a semi-bold change in adding the phrase "Your edits continue to appear to... with respective examples below. </p> <ul><li>Your edits continue to appear to constitute <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism" title="Wikipedia:Vandalism">vandalism</a> and have been <a href="/wiki/Help:Reverting" title="Help:Reverting">reverted</a>.</li> <li>Your edits continue to appear to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing" title="Wikipedia:Disruptive editing">disruptive</a> and have been <a href="/wiki/Help:Reverting" title="Help:Reverting">reverted</a>.</li></ul> <p>Thanks in advance for your consideration! <a href="/wiki/User:Sierrak28" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sierrak28">Sierrak28</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sierrak28" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Sierrak28">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Sierrak28-2018-03-30T23:43:00.000Z-Edit_Request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 30 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sierrak28-2018-03-30T23:43:00.000Z-Edit_Request"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sierrak28-2018-03-30T23:43:00.000Z-Edit_Request"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L235-2018-03-31T06:46:00.000Z-Sierrak28-2018-03-30T23:43:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sierrak28" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sierrak28">Sierrak28</a>:</span> The trouble is, humans often use level two or level three templates as the <i>first</i> warning – for example, in cases of clear vandalism where a level 1 might be inappropriate but a 4im is clearly also inappropriate. In those instances, a "continue to..." note would be quite confusing. Cluebot will only give a level two if there's already a level one, which means it's always accurate if it says "your edits continue to appear...". I could be wrong and this could be a very helpful change with few drawbacks, but in any event, getting consensus would be good for a change like this to a template this widely substed. Best, <b><a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">Kevin</a></b> (<small>aka</small> <a href="/wiki/User:L235" title="User:L235">L235</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:L235#top" title="User talk:L235">t</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L235" title="Special:Contributions/L235">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-L235-2018-03-31T06:46:00.000Z-Sierrak28-2018-03-30T23:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:46, 31 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L235-2018-03-31T06:46:00.000Z-Sierrak28-2018-03-30T23:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L235-2018-03-31T06:46:00.000Z-Sierrak28-2018-03-30T23:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_12_April_2018" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_12_April_2018-2018-04-12T11:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_12_April_2018-2018-04-12T11:30:00.000Z"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2018<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_12_April_2018-2018-04-12T11:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Karthiknil-2018-04-12T11:30:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_12_April_2018"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-deadlink" title="Template:Uw-deadlink">Template:Uw-deadlink</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>I Want to Replace with our Website Link Instead of this dead link. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Karthiknil&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Karthiknil (page does not exist)">Karthiknil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Karthiknil" title="User talk:Karthiknil">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Karthiknil-2018-04-12T11:30:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_12_April_2018" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:30, 12 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Karthiknil-2018-04-12T11:30:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_12_April_2018"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Karthiknil-2018-04-12T11:30:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_12_April_2018"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Karthiknil&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Karthiknil (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2018-04-12T11:53:00.000Z-Karthiknil-2018-04-12T11:30:00.000Z"></span>Karthiknil</a> "<i>Our</i> website link"? Who is "we"? Wikipedia accounts are not supposed to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOSHARING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOSHARING">shared by more than one person</a>. — On your question: I take it you do not in fact want to change the message at <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-deadlink" title="Template:Uw-deadlink">Uw-deadlink</a>}}</code>, but instead you want to make a change to a link in some article. You may do this yourself but please ensure that the link is relevant to the particular article and conforms to our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EL">external links policy</a>, and that your aim is not merely to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROMOTION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROMOTION">promote</a> some company or business<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2018-04-12T11:53:00.000Z-Karthiknil-2018-04-12T11:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:53, 12 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2018-04-12T11:53:00.000Z-Karthiknil-2018-04-12T11:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2018-04-12T11:53:00.000Z-Karthiknil-2018-04-12T11:30:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NotTheFakeJTP-2018-04-12T13:01:00.000Z-Karthiknil-2018-04-12T11:30:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/30px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62"/></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> this is the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TP">talk page</a> for discussing improvements to the page <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace">Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace</a>. If possible, please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. If you cannot edit the article's talk page, you can instead make your request at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Current_requests_for_edits_to_a_protected_page" title="Wikipedia:Requests for page protection">Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Current requests for edits to a protected page</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:NotTheFakeJTP" title="User:NotTheFakeJTP"><span style="color: red">JTP</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NotTheFakeJTP" title="User talk:NotTheFakeJTP">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/NotTheFakeJTP" title="Special:Contributions/NotTheFakeJTP">contribs</a>)</sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-NotTheFakeJTP-2018-04-12T13:01:00.000Z-Karthiknil-2018-04-12T11:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:01, 12 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NotTheFakeJTP-2018-04-12T13:01:00.000Z-Karthiknil-2018-04-12T11:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NotTheFakeJTP-2018-04-12T13:01:00.000Z-Karthiknil-2018-04-12T11:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="selfrevert-2_needed" data-mw-thread-id="h-selfrevert-2_needed-2018-03-06T17:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-selfrevert-2_needed-2018-03-06T17:56:00.000Z"></span>selfrevert-2 needed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-selfrevert-2_needed-2018-03-06T17:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="nowrap"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-06T17:56:00.000Z-selfrevert-2_needed"></span>{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-selfrevert2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Uw-selfrevert2 (page does not exist)">uw-selfrevert2</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is neeeded IMO, because other level-2 warnings contain phrase "was reverted". So I had to jump right to uw-t3. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Staszek_Lem&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Staszek Lem (page does not exist)">Staszek Lem</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Staszek_Lem" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Staszek Lem">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-06T17:56:00.000Z-selfrevert-2_needed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 6 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-06T17:56:00.000Z-selfrevert-2_needed"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-06T17:56:00.000Z-selfrevert-2_needed"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-08T00:44:00.000Z-selfrevert-2_needed"></span>Can someone implement this? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Staszek_Lem&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Staszek Lem (page does not exist)">Staszek Lem</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Staszek_Lem" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Staszek Lem">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-08T00:44:00.000Z-selfrevert-2_needed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:44, 8 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-08T00:44:00.000Z-selfrevert-2_needed"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-08T00:44:00.000Z-selfrevert-2_needed"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noyster-2018-03-15T14:04:00.000Z-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-08T00:44:00.000Z"></span>Not sure <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Staszek_Lem&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Staszek Lem (page does not exist)">Staszek Lem</a>: at present <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-selfrevert" title="Template:Uw-selfrevert">uw-selfrevert</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is a single-level notice. Doing a bad edit and self-reverting once may be regarded as a test; doing the same again after being told not to looks like vandalism, looks like they want to share the vandalised page around before they revert. It is always possible to use the second-level vandalism or test messages and edit them to remove the "has been reverted" part, or type your own message<a href="/wiki/User:Noyster" title="User:Noyster">: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noyster" title="User talk:Noyster"><span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Noyster-2018-03-15T14:04:00.000Z-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-08T00:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 15 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noyster-2018-03-15T14:04:00.000Z-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-08T00:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noyster-2018-03-15T14:04:00.000Z-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-08T00:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-15T19:03:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-03-15T14:04:00.000Z"></span>Typing my own message is waste of my own time, which is the purpose of a vandal:to mess with Wikipedians' work, right? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Staszek_Lem&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Staszek Lem (page does not exist)">Staszek Lem</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Staszek_Lem" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Staszek Lem">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-15T19:03:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-03-15T14:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 15 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-15T19:03:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-03-15T14:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-15T19:03:00.000Z-Noyster-2018-03-15T14:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToBeFree-2018-04-12T01:48:00.000Z-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-08T00:44:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Staszek_Lem&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Staszek Lem (page does not exist)">Staszek Lem</a>:</span> I first thought the same, but it is not needed, and there is also no need to jump to uw-t3! <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-test2" title="Template:Uw-test2">Template:uw-test2</a> contains the phrase "even if you intend to fix them later", explaining why self-reverting is not sufficient. <a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-ToBeFree-2018-04-12T01:48:00.000Z-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-08T00:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:48, 12 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToBeFree-2018-04-12T01:48:00.000Z-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-08T00:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToBeFree-2018-04-12T01:48:00.000Z-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-08T00:44:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Staszek_Lem-2018-04-12T16:34:00.000Z-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-08T00:44:00.000Z"></span>Thank you. Somehow I missed the "if you intend" part in <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-t2" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Uw-t2">uw-t2</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Staszek_Lem&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Staszek Lem (page does not exist)">Staszek Lem</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Staszek_Lem" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Staszek Lem">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Staszek_Lem-2018-04-12T16:34:00.000Z-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-08T00:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 12 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Staszek_Lem-2018-04-12T16:34:00.000Z-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-08T00:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Staszek_Lem-2018-04-12T16:34:00.000Z-Staszek_Lem-2018-03-08T00:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Signature_button_picture_in_Template:uw-tilde" data-mw-thread-id="h-Signature_button_picture_in_Template:uw-tilde-2018-04-25T17:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Signature_button_picture_in_Template:uw-tilde-2018-04-25T17:45:00.000Z"></span>Signature button picture in <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-tilde" title="Template:Uw-tilde">Template:uw-tilde</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Signature_button_picture_in_Template:uw-tilde-2018-04-25T17:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Biddulph-2018-04-25T17:45:00.000Z-Signature_button_picture_in_Template:uw-tilde"></span>In <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-tilde" title="Template:Uw-tilde">Template:uw-tilde</a> there are two different pictures of signature buttons, but the buttons have changed again. Could somebody please include the new button picture? --<a href="/wiki/User:David_Biddulph" title="User:David Biddulph">David Biddulph</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Biddulph" title="User talk:David Biddulph">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-David_Biddulph-2018-04-25T17:45:00.000Z-Signature_button_picture_in_Template:uw-tilde" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 25 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Biddulph-2018-04-25T17:45:00.000Z-Signature_button_picture_in_Template:uw-tilde"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Biddulph-2018-04-25T17:45:00.000Z-Signature_button_picture_in_Template:uw-tilde"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gladamas-2018-04-26T05:59:00.000Z-David_Biddulph-2018-04-25T17:45:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> Thanks for pointing this out. –<a href="/wiki/User:Gladamas" title="User:Gladamas">Gladamas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gladamas" title="User talk:Gladamas">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gladamas" title="Special:Contributions/Gladamas">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Gladamas-2018-04-26T05:59:00.000Z-David_Biddulph-2018-04-25T17:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:59, 26 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gladamas-2018-04-26T05:59:00.000Z-David_Biddulph-2018-04-25T17:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gladamas-2018-04-26T05:59:00.000Z-David_Biddulph-2018-04-25T17:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="uw-islamhon" data-mw-thread-id="h-uw-islamhon-2018-04-24T08:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-uw-islamhon-2018-04-24T08:22:00.000Z"></span>uw-islamhon<span data-mw-comment-end="h-uw-islamhon-2018-04-24T08:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gladamas-2018-04-24T08:22:00.000Z-uw-islamhon"></span>I created some user warning templates (<span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-islamhon1" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Uw-islamhon1">uw-islamhon1</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-islamhon2" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Uw-islamhon2">uw-islamhon2</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-islamhon3" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Uw-islamhon3">uw-islamhon3</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-islamhon4" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Uw-islamhon4">uw-islamhon4</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>) for people adding Islamic honorifics to articles against <a href="/wiki/MOS:ISLAMHON" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:ISLAMHON">this Manual of Style guideline</a>. Both <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-mos1" title="Template:Uw-mos1">uw-mos1</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-npov1" title="Template:Uw-npov1">uw-npov1</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> both work moderately well for this purpose, but leave out specific information and don't link to both the relevant guideline as well as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a>. In addition, I've seen a relatively large number of edits in the recent changes feed that violate this specific guideline. I'm seeking consensus, should these templates be added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace">Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace</a>? Are they even necessary at all? –<a href="/wiki/User:Gladamas" title="User:Gladamas">Gladamas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gladamas" title="User talk:Gladamas">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gladamas" title="Special:Contributions/Gladamas">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Gladamas-2018-04-24T08:22:00.000Z-uw-islamhon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 24 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gladamas-2018-04-24T08:22:00.000Z-uw-islamhon"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gladamas-2018-04-24T08:22:00.000Z-uw-islamhon"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gladamas-2018-04-26T06:27:00.000Z-Gladamas-2018-04-24T08:22:00.000Z"></span>Being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">BOLD</a> and <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace&diff=838311256&oldid=834407551">adding this series to the template list</a></span>. –<a href="/wiki/User:Gladamas" title="User:Gladamas">Gladamas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gladamas" title="User talk:Gladamas">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gladamas" title="Special:Contributions/Gladamas">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Gladamas-2018-04-26T06:27:00.000Z-Gladamas-2018-04-24T08:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 26 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gladamas-2018-04-26T06:27:00.000Z-Gladamas-2018-04-24T08:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gladamas-2018-04-26T06:27:00.000Z-Gladamas-2018-04-24T08:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lying_in_edit_summaries" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lying_in_edit_summaries-2018-04-21T05:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lying_in_edit_summaries-2018-04-21T05:22:00.000Z"></span>Lying in edit summaries<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lying_in_edit_summaries-2018-04-21T05:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-*Treker-2018-04-21T05:22:00.000Z-Lying_in_edit_summaries"></span>Sometimes it seems like editors (especially ip editors) just lie in their edit summaries even when they seem to be doing constructive work, I find this to be a big problem when they do this becuse I don't feel they can actually be trusted.<a href="/wiki/User:*Treker" class="mw-redirect" title="User:*Treker">★Trekker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:*Treker" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:*Treker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-*Treker-2018-04-21T05:22:00.000Z-Lying_in_edit_summaries" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:22, 21 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-*Treker-2018-04-21T05:22:00.000Z-Lying_in_edit_summaries"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-*Treker-2018-04-21T05:22:00.000Z-Lying_in_edit_summaries"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gladamas-2018-04-24T08:01:00.000Z-*Treker-2018-04-21T05:22:00.000Z"></span>Some do, but I wouldn't generalize. Regardless I don't think this is the page to discuss that –<a href="/wiki/User:Gladamas" title="User:Gladamas">Gladamas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gladamas" title="User talk:Gladamas">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gladamas" title="Special:Contributions/Gladamas">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Gladamas-2018-04-24T08:01:00.000Z-*Treker-2018-04-21T05:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:01, 24 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gladamas-2018-04-24T08:01:00.000Z-*Treker-2018-04-21T05:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gladamas-2018-04-24T08:01:00.000Z-*Treker-2018-04-21T05:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-*Treker-2018-04-25T07:55:00.000Z-Gladamas-2018-04-24T08:01:00.000Z"></span>I want a template for this. Where else should I bring this up?<a href="/wiki/User:*Treker" class="mw-redirect" title="User:*Treker">★Trekker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:*Treker" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:*Treker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-*Treker-2018-04-25T07:55:00.000Z-Gladamas-2018-04-24T08:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-*Treker-2018-04-25T07:55:00.000Z-Gladamas-2018-04-24T08:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-*Treker-2018-04-25T07:55:00.000Z-Gladamas-2018-04-24T08:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doniago-2018-04-25T13:52:00.000Z-*Treker-2018-04-25T07:55:00.000Z"></span>There already is one. <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-wrongsummary" title="Template:Uw-wrongsummary">Template:uw-wrongsummary</a>. Available in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Twinkle" title="Wikipedia:Twinkle">WP:Twinkle</a>. Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:Doniago" title="User:Doniago">DonIago</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doniago" title="User talk:Doniago">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Doniago-2018-04-25T13:52:00.000Z-*Treker-2018-04-25T07:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:52, 25 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doniago-2018-04-25T13:52:00.000Z-*Treker-2018-04-25T07:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doniago-2018-04-25T13:52:00.000Z-*Treker-2018-04-25T07:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-*Treker-2018-04-25T19:10:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-04-25T13:52:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, guess I need to get twinkle then.<a href="/wiki/User:*Treker" class="mw-redirect" title="User:*Treker">★Trekker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:*Treker" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:*Treker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-*Treker-2018-04-25T19:10:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-04-25T13:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 25 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-*Treker-2018-04-25T19:10:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-04-25T13:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-*Treker-2018-04-25T19:10:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-04-25T13:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doniago-2018-04-25T19:24:00.000Z-*Treker-2018-04-25T19:10:00.000Z"></span>You can use the template without Twinkle access, just needs to be plugged in manually. <a href="/wiki/User:Doniago" title="User:Doniago">DonIago</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doniago" title="User talk:Doniago">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Doniago-2018-04-25T19:24:00.000Z-*Treker-2018-04-25T19:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 25 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doniago-2018-04-25T19:24:00.000Z-*Treker-2018-04-25T19:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doniago-2018-04-25T19:24:00.000Z-*Treker-2018-04-25T19:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-*Treker-2018-04-26T06:48:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-04-25T19:24:00.000Z"></span>Ok, thanks!<a href="/wiki/User:*Treker" class="mw-redirect" title="User:*Treker">★Trekker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:*Treker" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:*Treker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-*Treker-2018-04-26T06:48:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-04-25T19:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:48, 26 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-*Treker-2018-04-26T06:48:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-04-25T19:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-*Treker-2018-04-26T06:48:00.000Z-Doniago-2018-04-25T19:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilCat-2018-04-26T07:10:00.000Z-Lying_in_edit_summaries"></span> Just an observation: a "false" edit summary isn't necessarily lying, as that implies an intent to deceive. IIRC, IP editors are forced to chose a summary from the drop-down menu before they can save their edits, and so may just chose one at random. Also, it could just be incompetence, and we get a lot of that too! - <a href="/wiki/User:BilCat" title="User:BilCat">BilCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilCat" title="User talk:BilCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-BilCat-2018-04-26T07:10:00.000Z-Lying_in_edit_summaries" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:10, 26 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilCat-2018-04-26T07:10:00.000Z-Lying_in_edit_summaries"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilCat-2018-04-26T07:10:00.000Z-Lying_in_edit_summaries"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Doniago-2018-04-26T12:47:00.000Z-BilCat-2018-04-26T07:10:00.000Z"></span>True enough; happily the template I linked to makes no assumption of intent. <a href="/wiki/User:Doniago" title="User:Doniago">DonIago</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doniago" title="User talk:Doniago">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Doniago-2018-04-26T12:47:00.000Z-BilCat-2018-04-26T07:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:47, 26 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Doniago-2018-04-26T12:47:00.000Z-BilCat-2018-04-26T07:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Doniago-2018-04-26T12:47:00.000Z-BilCat-2018-04-26T07:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Add_"not_removed"_parameter_to_Uw-unsourced1" data-mw-thread-id="h-Add_"not_removed"_parameter_to_Uw-unsourced1-2018-05-10T01:13:00.000Z"><span id="Add_.22not_removed.22_parameter_to_Uw-unsourced1"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Add_"not_removed"_parameter_to_Uw-unsourced1-2018-05-10T01:13:00.000Z"></span>Add "not removed" parameter to Uw-unsourced1<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Add_"not_removed"_parameter_to_Uw-unsourced1-2018-05-10T01:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thinker78-2018-05-10T01:13:00.000Z-Add_"not_removed"_parameter_to_Uw-unsourced1"></span>I suggest adding a "not removed" parameter to the Uw-unsourced1 warning because sometimes, for various reasons, the offending edits are not removed and so the template cannot be used because it states that the edits have been removed. <a href="/wiki/User:Thinker78" title="User:Thinker78">Thinker78</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thinker78" title="User talk:Thinker78">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thinker78-2018-05-10T01:13:00.000Z-Add_"not_removed"_parameter_to_Uw-unsourced1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:13, 10 May 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thinker78-2018-05-10T01:13:00.000Z-Add_"not_removed"_parameter_to_Uw-unsourced1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thinker78-2018-05-10T01:13:00.000Z-Add_"not_removed"_parameter_to_Uw-unsourced1"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Uw-canvass" data-mw-thread-id="h-Uw-canvass-2018-05-13T16:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Uw-canvass-2018-05-13T16:04:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-canvass" title="Template:Uw-canvass">Uw-canvass</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Uw-canvass-2018-05-13T16:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NeilN-2018-05-13T16:04:00.000Z-Uw-canvass"></span>Can someone suggest changes to "It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote" to better reflect what <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CANVASS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CANVASS">WP:CANVASS</a> says? The messages can be left on <i>any</i> page and even if the choice was appropriate, the wording of the message still has to be neutral. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rafe87&oldid=841001257#May_2018">Impetus</a> for this request. --<a href="/wiki/User:NeilN" title="User:NeilN"><b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:NeilN" title="User talk:NeilN"><i style="color:blue">talk to me</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-NeilN-2018-05-13T16:04:00.000Z-Uw-canvass" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 13 May 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NeilN-2018-05-13T16:04:00.000Z-Uw-canvass"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NeilN-2018-05-13T16:04:00.000Z-Uw-canvass"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Galobtter-2018-05-13T16:12:00.000Z-NeilN-2018-05-13T16:04:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:NeilN" title="User:NeilN">NeilN</a>:</span> "It appears that you have been canvassing—sending notifications with the intention of influencing the outcome of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote in a certain way."? <a href="/wiki/User:Galobtter" title="User:Galobtter">Galobtter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Galobtter" title="User talk:Galobtter">pingó mió</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Galobtter-2018-05-13T16:12:00.000Z-NeilN-2018-05-13T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 13 May 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Galobtter-2018-05-13T16:12:00.000Z-NeilN-2018-05-13T16:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Galobtter-2018-05-13T16:12:00.000Z-NeilN-2018-05-13T16:04:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NeilN-2018-05-13T16:31:00.000Z-Galobtter-2018-05-13T16:12:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Galobtter" title="User:Galobtter">Galobtter</a>:</span> Simple. I like it! --<a href="/wiki/User:NeilN" title="User:NeilN"><b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:NeilN" title="User talk:NeilN"><i style="color:blue">talk to me</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-NeilN-2018-05-13T16:31:00.000Z-Galobtter-2018-05-13T16:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 13 May 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NeilN-2018-05-13T16:31:00.000Z-Galobtter-2018-05-13T16:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NeilN-2018-05-13T16:31:00.000Z-Galobtter-2018-05-13T16:12:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Galobtter-2018-05-13T16:34:00.000Z-NeilN-2018-05-13T16:31:00.000Z"></span>I basically just took the wording of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CANVASS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CANVASS">WP:CANVASS</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Galobtter" title="User:Galobtter">Galobtter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Galobtter" title="User talk:Galobtter">pingó mió</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Galobtter-2018-05-13T16:34:00.000Z-NeilN-2018-05-13T16:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 13 May 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Galobtter-2018-05-13T16:34:00.000Z-NeilN-2018-05-13T16:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Galobtter-2018-05-13T16:34:00.000Z-NeilN-2018-05-13T16:31:00.000Z"></span></li> <li>Could shorten to "It appears that you have been canvassing—sending notifications with the intention of influencing the outcome of an ongoing community discussion in a certain way." which'd basically be the wording on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CANVASS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CANVASS">WP:CANVASS</a> with the addition of "ongoing community" <a href="/wiki/User:Galobtter" title="User:Galobtter">Galobtter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Galobtter" title="User talk:Galobtter">pingó mió</a>)</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="More_help_for_new_users_in_uw-test1" data-mw-thread-id="h-More_help_for_new_users_in_uw-test1-2018-05-21T14:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_help_for_new_users_in_uw-test1-2018-05-21T14:19:00.000Z"></span>More help for new users in uw-test1<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_help_for_new_users_in_uw-test1-2018-05-21T14:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DIYeditor-2018-05-21T14:19:00.000Z-More_help_for_new_users_in_uw-test1"></span>Since <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-test1" title="Template:Uw-test1">uw-test1</a>}}</code> is used for those who might be completely new users to Wikipedia who have no idea how to edit, perhaps we can offer some additional advice in it? Something like: </p><p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> Hello, I'm <a href="/wiki/User:Example" title="User:Example">Example</a>. An edit that you recently made seemed to be a test and has been removed. If you want more practice editing, please use the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox" title="Wikipedia:Sandbox">sandbox</a>. <ins>If you are a new user, you may find the guide <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributing_to_Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia">Contributing to Wikipedia</a> helpful.</ins> If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales" title="User talk:Jimbo Wales">my talk page</a>. Thanks! </p><p>Or should uw-test1 be linked separately along side <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Welcome" title="Template:Welcome">welcome</a>}}</code> instead in the case of obvious new users? I think welcome may obscure the message from the user. Also directing them to your talk page for "any questions" does not seem appropriate without first offering general information. Another option would be linking <a href="/wiki/Help:Editing" title="Help:Editing">Help:Editing</a> instead of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributing_to_Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia">Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:DIYeditor" title="User:DIYeditor">—DIYeditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DIYeditor" title="User talk:DIYeditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-DIYeditor-2018-05-21T14:19:00.000Z-More_help_for_new_users_in_uw-test1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:19, 21 May 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DIYeditor-2018-05-21T14:19:00.000Z-More_help_for_new_users_in_uw-test1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DIYeditor-2018-05-21T14:19:00.000Z-More_help_for_new_users_in_uw-test1"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Uw-harass4im" data-mw-thread-id="h-Uw-harass4im-2018-06-08T12:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Uw-harass4im-2018-06-08T12:35:00.000Z"></span>Uw-harass4im<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Uw-harass4im-2018-06-08T12:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wumbolo-2018-06-08T12:35:00.000Z-Uw-harass4im"></span>With regards to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-harass4im" title="Template:Uw-harass4im">Uw-harass4im</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> I propose that <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">fellow Wikipedian(s)</span> is changed to <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">a fellow Wikipedian</span> per <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-harass4" title="Template:Uw-harass4">Uw-harass4</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. <span style="background-color:#cee"><a href="/wiki/User:Wumbolo" title="User:Wumbolo"><span style="color:#066;font-family:Symbol">w</span><span style="color:#066;font-family:Segoe Script">umbolo</span></a></span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wumbolo" title="User talk:Wumbolo"><span style="color:#37C;font-family:webdings">^^^</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Wumbolo-2018-06-08T12:35:00.000Z-Uw-harass4im" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wumbolo-2018-06-08T12:35:00.000Z-Uw-harass4im"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wumbolo-2018-06-08T12:35:00.000Z-Uw-harass4im"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Galobtter-2018-06-08T12:39:00.000Z-Wumbolo-2018-06-08T12:35:00.000Z"></span>Looks like <a href="/wiki/User:Nigos" title="User:Nigos">Nigos</a> changed it from the latter to the former a few months ago. <a href="/wiki/User:Galobtter" title="User:Galobtter">Galobtter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Galobtter" title="User talk:Galobtter">pingó mió</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Galobtter-2018-06-08T12:39:00.000Z-Wumbolo-2018-06-08T12:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:39, 8 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Galobtter-2018-06-08T12:39:00.000Z-Wumbolo-2018-06-08T12:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Galobtter-2018-06-08T12:39:00.000Z-Wumbolo-2018-06-08T12:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z"></span>Template-protected edit request on 8 June 2018<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:Blank" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Blank">Template:Blank</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Please replace the redirect to <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-delete1" title="Template:Uw-delete1">Template:Uw-delete1</a> with a redirect to <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-blank1" title="Template:Uw-blank1">Template:Uw-blank1</a>. Reason: Improving the redirect to match the actual intention behind the redirect name. See also: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-blank1&diff=800957156&oldid=411526799&diffmode=source">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-blank1&diff=800957156&oldid=411526799&diffmode=source</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 8 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-10T23:17:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z"></span>Update: Clarifying that I'm requesting a redirect change <a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-ToBeFree-2018-06-10T23:17:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 10 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-10T23:17:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-10T23:17:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JJMC89-2018-06-10T23:31:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Done</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:JJMC89" title="User:JJMC89">JJMC89</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JJMC89" title="User talk:JJMC89">T</a><b>·</b><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJMC89" title="Special:Contributions/JJMC89">C</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-JJMC89-2018-06-10T23:31:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 10 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JJMC89-2018-06-10T23:31:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JJMC89-2018-06-10T23:31:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Second_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Second_request-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Second_request-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z"></span>Second request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Second_request-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z-Second_request"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:Blank2" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Blank2">Template:Blank2</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Please replace the redirect to <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-delete2" title="Template:Uw-delete2">Template:Uw-delete2</a> with a redirect to <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-blank2" title="Template:Uw-blank2">Template:Uw-blank2</a>. See the request above. Reason: Improving the redirect to match the actual intention behind the redirect name. See also: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-blank1&diff=800957156&oldid=411526799&diffmode=source">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-blank1&diff=800957156&oldid=411526799&diffmode=source</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z-Second_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 8 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z-Second_request"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z-Second_request"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-10T23:18:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z"></span>Update: Clarifying that I'm requesting a redirect change <a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-ToBeFree-2018-06-10T23:18:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 10 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-10T23:18:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-10T23:18:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JJMC89-2018-06-10T23:31:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z-1"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Done</b> — <a href="/wiki/User:JJMC89" title="User:JJMC89">JJMC89</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JJMC89" title="User talk:JJMC89">T</a><b>·</b><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJMC89" title="Special:Contributions/JJMC89">C</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-JJMC89-2018-06-10T23:31:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 10 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JJMC89-2018-06-10T23:31:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z-1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JJMC89-2018-06-10T23:31:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:00:00.000Z-1"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018_2-2018-06-08T21:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018_2-2018-06-08T21:16:00.000Z"></span>Template-protected edit request on 8 June 2018<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018_2-2018-06-08T21:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:16:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018_2"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-blank2" title="Template:Uw-blank2">Template:Uw-blank2</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Please have a look at the source code of this request. </p><p><br/> Original version: </p><p>Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been <a href="/wiki/Help:Reverting" title="Help:Reverting">reverted</a>. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox" title="Wikipedia:Sandbox">sandbox</a> for that. </p><p><br/> New version: </p><p>Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been <a href="/wiki/Help:Reverting" title="Help:Reverting">reverted</a>. If you think that the page should be deleted, please have a look at the following guide: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_delete_a_page" title="Wikipedia:How to delete a page">Wikipedia:How to delete a page</a></li></ul> <p>If you only meant to make a test edit, please use the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox" title="Wikipedia:Sandbox">sandbox</a> for that. </p><p><br/> <a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:16:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:16, 8 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:16:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:16:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_8_June_2018_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2018-06-13T07:34:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:16:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">ToBeFree</a>:</span> The bullet point seems to disrurpt the flow of the message. How about without? I've sandboxed at <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-blank2/sandbox" title="Template:Uw-blank2/sandbox">Template:Uw-blank2/sandbox</a> — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-MSGJ-2018-06-13T07:34:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:34, 13 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2018-06-13T07:34:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2018-06-13T07:34:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-13T12:29:00.000Z-MSGJ-2018-06-13T07:34:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>:</span> Oh, that's a good point. My main intention was to use the page name as the link title, to avoid any confusion, especially on mobile devices without the ability to "hover" over a link quickly. I wanted to make very clear and obvious that there is a help page dedicated to the topic, and that reading it will actually help. The bullet point is not needed for this; I added it because the simple solution in the sandbox didn't come to my mind. I like your change! Let's implement that one. <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> <a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-ToBeFree-2018-06-13T12:29:00.000Z-MSGJ-2018-06-13T07:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 13 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-13T12:29:00.000Z-MSGJ-2018-06-13T07:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToBeFree-2018-06-13T12:29:00.000Z-MSGJ-2018-06-13T07:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2018-06-13T12:34:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:16:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Done</b> — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-MSGJ-2018-06-13T12:34:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:34, 13 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2018-06-13T12:34:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2018-06-13T12:34:00.000Z-ToBeFree-2018-06-08T21:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template-protected_edit_request_—_10_June_2018" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_—_10_June_2018-2018-06-10T19:48:00.000Z"><span id="Template-protected_edit_request_.E2.80.94_10_June_2018"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_—_10_June_2018-2018-06-10T19:48:00.000Z"></span>Template-protected edit request — 10 June 2018<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-protected_edit_request_—_10_June_2018-2018-06-10T19:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Interqwark-2018-06-10T19:48:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_—_10_June_2018"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-vandalism2" title="Template:Uw-vandalism2">Template:Uw-vandalism2</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Requesting that “Repeated vandalism can result in the loss of editing privileges” is changed to “Repeated vandalism will result in the loss of editing privileges.” <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Interqwark&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Interqwark (page does not exist)">Inter<span style="color:#28A828;font-family:Calibri"><i>qwark</i></span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Interqwark" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Interqwark"><span style="color:#DA5493">talk</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Interqwark" title="Special:Contributions/Interqwark"><span style="color:#9B00C3">contribs</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Interqwark-2018-06-10T19:48:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_—_10_June_2018" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 10 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Interqwark-2018-06-10T19:48:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_—_10_June_2018"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Interqwark-2018-06-10T19:48:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_—_10_June_2018"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JJMC89-2018-06-10T19:52:00.000Z-Interqwark-2018-06-10T19:48:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/30px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62"/></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> Blocking is not guaranteed. — <a href="/wiki/User:JJMC89" title="User:JJMC89">JJMC89</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JJMC89" title="User talk:JJMC89">T</a><b>·</b><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJMC89" title="Special:Contributions/JJMC89">C</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-JJMC89-2018-06-10T19:52:00.000Z-Interqwark-2018-06-10T19:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 10 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JJMC89-2018-06-10T19:52:00.000Z-Interqwark-2018-06-10T19:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JJMC89-2018-06-10T19:52:00.000Z-Interqwark-2018-06-10T19:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Interqwark-2018-06-10T19:53:00.000Z-JJMC89-2018-06-10T19:52:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:JJMC89" title="User:JJMC89">JJMC89</a>:</span> It does sound more intimidating, though.</dd> <dd>What if it’s changed to “may result in editing privileges”? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Interqwark&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Interqwark (page does not exist)">Inter<span style="color:#28A828;font-family:Calibri"><i>qwark</i></span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Interqwark" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Interqwark"><span style="color:#DA5493">talk</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Interqwark" title="Special:Contributions/Interqwark"><span style="color:#9B00C3">contribs</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Interqwark-2018-06-10T19:53:00.000Z-JJMC89-2018-06-10T19:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 10 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Interqwark-2018-06-10T19:53:00.000Z-JJMC89-2018-06-10T19:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Interqwark-2018-06-10T19:53:00.000Z-JJMC89-2018-06-10T19:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JJMC89-2018-06-10T19:55:00.000Z-Interqwark-2018-06-10T19:53:00.000Z"></span>These templates are not used for intimidation. That change doesn't make any sense. — <a href="/wiki/User:JJMC89" title="User:JJMC89">JJMC89</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JJMC89" title="User talk:JJMC89">T</a><b>·</b><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJMC89" title="Special:Contributions/JJMC89">C</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-JJMC89-2018-06-10T19:55:00.000Z-Interqwark-2018-06-10T19:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 10 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JJMC89-2018-06-10T19:55:00.000Z-Interqwark-2018-06-10T19:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JJMC89-2018-06-10T19:55:00.000Z-Interqwark-2018-06-10T19:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Interqwark-2018-06-10T23:18:00.000Z-JJMC89-2018-06-10T19:55:00.000Z"></span>You’re right. I still think that “may” sounds better in this sentence, but it’s not a big deal, I suppose. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Interqwark&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Interqwark (page does not exist)">Inter<span style="color:#28A828;font-family:Calibri"><i>qwark</i></span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Interqwark" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Interqwark"><span style="color:#DA5493">talk</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Interqwark" title="Special:Contributions/Interqwark"><span style="color:#9B00C3">contribs</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Interqwark-2018-06-10T23:18:00.000Z-JJMC89-2018-06-10T19:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 10 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Interqwark-2018-06-10T23:18:00.000Z-JJMC89-2018-06-10T19:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Interqwark-2018-06-10T23:18:00.000Z-JJMC89-2018-06-10T19:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2018-06-13T07:36:00.000Z-Interqwark-2018-06-10T23:18:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Interqwark&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Interqwark (page does not exist)">Interqwark</a>:</span> I have changed "can" to "may" — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-MSGJ-2018-06-13T07:36:00.000Z-Interqwark-2018-06-10T23:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:36, 13 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2018-06-13T07:36:00.000Z-Interqwark-2018-06-10T23:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2018-06-13T07:36:00.000Z-Interqwark-2018-06-10T23:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Interqwark-2018-06-13T16:47:00.000Z-MSGJ-2018-06-13T07:36:00.000Z"></span>Nice. Thanks. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Interqwark&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Interqwark (page does not exist)">Inter<span style="color:#28A828;font-family:Calibri"><i>qwark</i></span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Interqwark" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Interqwark"><span style="color:#DA5493">talk</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Interqwark" title="Special:Contributions/Interqwark"><span style="color:#9B00C3">contribs</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Interqwark-2018-06-13T16:47:00.000Z-MSGJ-2018-06-13T07:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 13 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Interqwark-2018-06-13T16:47:00.000Z-MSGJ-2018-06-13T07:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Interqwark-2018-06-13T16:47:00.000Z-MSGJ-2018-06-13T07:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fringe_sources" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fringe_sources-2018-06-30T08:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fringe_sources-2018-06-30T08:09:00.000Z"></span>Fringe sources<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fringe_sources-2018-06-30T08:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-06-30T08:09:00.000Z-Fringe_sources"></span>This is not an edit request yet. After doing <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=September_11_attacks&diff=848180500&oldid=848180158">this revert</a></span> I had a hard time to determine what template to use among <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WARN2" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WARN2">WP:WARN2</a>. I could have used uw-pov (no mention that the source is unsuitable), uw-blog (but that's mostly for bios), uw-vandal (still not ideal), uw-advert, uw-unsourced (there was a source, but a fringe one)... I ended up using uw-error1 because it asks to cite a reliable source. I guess that I'd have to use vandal2 if needing escalation. It's possible that a new set particularily for fringe, or for unreliable sources in particular, be a good idea. Input welcome, —<a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2018-06-30T08:09:00.000Z-Fringe_sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 30 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-06-30T08:09:00.000Z-Fringe_sources"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-06-30T08:09:00.000Z-Fringe_sources"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Danski454-2018-07-02T06:28:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-06-30T08:09:00.000Z"></span>I would agree that a separate 'the source you cited is unreliable' set of user warnings is needed for cases like this. --<a href="/wiki/User:Danski454" title="User:Danski454">Danski454</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danski454" title="User talk:Danski454">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Danski454-2018-07-02T06:28:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-06-30T08:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:28, 2 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Danski454-2018-07-02T06:28:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-06-30T08:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Danski454-2018-07-02T06:28:00.000Z-PaleoNeonate-2018-06-30T08:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Compassionate727-2018-07-04T18:24:00.000Z-Danski454-2018-07-02T06:28:00.000Z"></span>Can a user warning really practically cover all the common cases that make sources unreliable? There are a lot of them. It probably makes more sense to leave a hand-typed note on the person's talk page explaining why the particular source they chose is unreliable. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">—<a href="/wiki/User:Compassionate727" title="User:Compassionate727">Compassionate727</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Compassionate727" title="User talk:Compassionate727">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Compassionate727" title="Special:Contributions/Compassionate727">C</a>)</sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Compassionate727-2018-07-04T18:24:00.000Z-Danski454-2018-07-02T06:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:24, 4 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Compassionate727-2018-07-04T18:24:00.000Z-Danski454-2018-07-02T06:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Compassionate727-2018-07-04T18:24:00.000Z-Danski454-2018-07-02T06:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-07-07T07:46:00.000Z-Compassionate727-2018-07-04T18:24:00.000Z"></span>True. —<a href="/wiki/User:PaleoNeonate" title="User:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PaleoNeonate" title="User talk:PaleoNeonate"><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-PaleoNeonate-2018-07-07T07:46:00.000Z-Compassionate727-2018-07-04T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:46, 7 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-07-07T07:46:00.000Z-Compassionate727-2018-07-04T18:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PaleoNeonate-2018-07-07T07:46:00.000Z-Compassionate727-2018-07-04T18:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Uw-afcaddition_vs._Uw-draftmoved" data-mw-thread-id="h-Uw-afcaddition_vs._Uw-draftmoved-2018-07-07T07:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Uw-afcaddition_vs._Uw-draftmoved-2018-07-07T07:37:00.000Z"></span>Uw-afcaddition vs. Uw-draftmoved<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Uw-afcaddition_vs._Uw-draftmoved-2018-07-07T07:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T07:37:00.000Z-Uw-afcaddition_vs._Uw-draftmoved"></span>What is the functional difference between <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-draftmoved" title="Template:Uw-draftmoved">Uw-draftmoved</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> from 2015 that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRAFTIFY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRAFTIFY">WP:DRAFTIFY</a> makes use of, and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-afcaddition" title="Template:Uw-afcaddition">Uw-afcaddition</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> from 2016? <span class="pinggroup-shown">Courtesy ping</span><span class="pinggroup-pinged"> <span class="pinggroup-shown"><small>(</small></span><small><a href="/wiki/User:Anarchyte" title="User:Anarchyte">Anarchyte</a>—<a href="/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius" title="User:Mr. Stradivarius">Mr. Stradivarius</a></small><span class="pinggroup-shown"><small>)</small></span></span>, <b><a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Sailor" title="User:Sam Sailor">Sam</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sam_Sailor" title="User talk:Sam Sailor">Sailor</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T07:37:00.000Z-Uw-afcaddition_vs._Uw-draftmoved" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:37, 7 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T07:37:00.000Z-Uw-afcaddition_vs._Uw-draftmoved"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T07:37:00.000Z-Uw-afcaddition_vs._Uw-draftmoved"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T07:43:00.000Z-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T07:37:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Sailor" title="User:Sam Sailor">Sam Sailor</a>:</span> <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-draftmoved" title="Template:Uw-draftmoved">Uw-draftmoved</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is to tell someone who submitted their draft with an AfC tag in the wrong namespace that it has been moved to "Draft:Name". <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-afcaddition" title="Template:Uw-afcaddition">uw-afcaddition</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is to tell users that their draft has been added to the AfC procedure by someone else as they believe it'd help them (new users making their first articles, etc). <b style="font-family:Papyrus"><a href="/wiki/User:Anarchyte" title="User:Anarchyte"><span style="color:#18a">Anarchyte</span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Anarchyte" title="Special:Contributions/Anarchyte"><span style="color:#0d5fad">work</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anarchyte" title="User talk:Anarchyte"><span style="color:#0d5fad">talk</span></a>)</small></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T07:43:00.000Z-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T07:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:43, 7 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T07:43:00.000Z-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T07:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T07:43:00.000Z-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T07:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T07:51:00.000Z-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T07:43:00.000Z"></span>Cool, thanks! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Sailor" title="User:Sam Sailor">Sam</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sam_Sailor" title="User talk:Sam Sailor">Sailor</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T07:51:00.000Z-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T07:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:51, 7 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T07:51:00.000Z-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T07:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T07:51:00.000Z-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T07:43:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:09:00.000Z-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T07:43:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Anarchyte" title="User:Anarchyte">Anarchyte</a>:</span> I've had a look at the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3ATemplate%3Auw-afcaddition&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%22namespaces%22%3A%5B0%2C1%2C3%2C4%2C5%5D%7D&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&searchToken=4afkbjro101gmj5dr1yw4aevu">nine</a> instances I could find of Uw-afcaddition insource. All those drafts are now redlinked. Could you clarify when Uw-afcaddition is used? Is it when you find a draft in ns:118 that is missing <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:AFC_submission" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:AFC submission">AFC submission</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and you add it with appropriate <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|ts=</code> and <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|u=</code> or what? Thanks, <b><a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Sailor" title="User:Sam Sailor">Sam</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sam_Sailor" title="User talk:Sam Sailor">Sailor</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:09:00.000Z-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T07:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 7 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:09:00.000Z-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T07:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:09:00.000Z-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T07:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T08:19:00.000Z-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:09:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Sailor" title="User:Sam Sailor">Sam Sailor</a>:</span> Not sure what "ns:118" means. The template is used when a draft made by someone else (usually a new user) has <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:AFC_submission/draft" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:AFC submission/draft">AFC submission/draft</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> added to it by someone other than the creator, if that makes sense. When I used to use it, I added it after an unfinished article made by a really new user had been moved from mainspace to draftspace when I it's best that they receive feedback. You can see the original discussion <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/2016_1#New_template_idea" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/2016 1">here</a>. Cheers, <b style="font-family:Papyrus"><a href="/wiki/User:Anarchyte" title="User:Anarchyte"><span style="color:#18a">Anarchyte</span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Anarchyte" title="Special:Contributions/Anarchyte"><span style="color:#0d5fad">work</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anarchyte" title="User talk:Anarchyte"><span style="color:#0d5fad">talk</span></a>)</small></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T08:19:00.000Z-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:19, 7 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T08:19:00.000Z-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T08:19:00.000Z-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:26:00.000Z-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T08:19:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Anarchyte" title="User:Anarchyte">Anarchyte</a>:</span>Thanks for the clarification, I did read the 2016 discussion. Ns:118 = draft space. So, Uw-afcaddition is the ut notification after you have manually done what <a href="/wiki/User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js" title="User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js">User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js</a> does semi-automatically, is that correct? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Sailor" title="User:Sam Sailor">Sam</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sam_Sailor" title="User talk:Sam Sailor">Sailor</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:26:00.000Z-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T08:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:26, 7 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:26:00.000Z-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T08:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:26:00.000Z-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T08:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T08:37:00.000Z-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:26:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Sailor" title="User:Sam Sailor">Sam Sailor</a>:</span> Yes. <b style="font-family:Papyrus"><a href="/wiki/User:Anarchyte" title="User:Anarchyte"><span style="color:#18a">Anarchyte</span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Anarchyte" title="Special:Contributions/Anarchyte"><span style="color:#0d5fad">work</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anarchyte" title="User talk:Anarchyte"><span style="color:#0d5fad">talk</span></a>)</small></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T08:37:00.000Z-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:37, 7 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T08:37:00.000Z-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T08:37:00.000Z-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:40:00.000Z-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T08:37:00.000Z"></span>Thank you. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Sailor" title="User:Sam Sailor">Sam</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sam_Sailor" title="User talk:Sam Sailor">Sailor</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:40:00.000Z-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T08:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:40, 7 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:40:00.000Z-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T08:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T08:40:00.000Z-Anarchyte-2018-07-07T08:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:9.6em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:9.6em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T16:47:00.000Z-Uw-afcaddition_vs._Uw-draftmoved"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Anarchyte" title="User:Anarchyte">Anarchyte</a>:</span> Right, but ... <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> then we have <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-articletodraft" title="Template:Uw-articletodraft">Uw-articletodraft</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, and <em>that</em> sounds like the one to use when moving an undersourced article to draft space and manually leaving the new editor a notification. Which means <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-afcaddition" title="Template:Uw-afcaddition">uw-afcaddition</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is for drafts in draft space where you add {{<a href="/wiki/Template:AFC_draft" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:AFC draft">subst:AFC draft</a>|<i>username of new editor</i>}} on behalf of the new editor or you fix a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&profile=advanced&search=%22subst%3Asubmit%22&fulltext=Search&ns118=1">subst:submit error</a> by addition of {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Submit" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Submit">subst:submit</a>|<i>username to submit as</i>}} and then you notify them with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-afcaddition" title="Template:Uw-afcaddition">uw-afcaddition</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, right? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Sailor" title="User:Sam Sailor">Sam</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sam_Sailor" title="User talk:Sam Sailor">Sailor</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T16:47:00.000Z-Uw-afcaddition_vs._Uw-draftmoved" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 7 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T16:47:00.000Z-Uw-afcaddition_vs._Uw-draftmoved"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T16:47:00.000Z-Uw-afcaddition_vs._Uw-draftmoved"></span> </p><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anarchyte-2018-07-08T01:01:00.000Z-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T16:47:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Sailor" title="User:Sam Sailor">Sam Sailor</a>:</span> Yup, I believe so. <b style="font-family:Papyrus"><a href="/wiki/User:Anarchyte" title="User:Anarchyte"><span style="color:#18a">Anarchyte</span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Anarchyte" title="Special:Contributions/Anarchyte"><span style="color:#0d5fad">work</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anarchyte" title="User talk:Anarchyte"><span style="color:#0d5fad">talk</span></a>)</small></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Anarchyte-2018-07-08T01:01:00.000Z-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T16:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:01, 8 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anarchyte-2018-07-08T01:01:00.000Z-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T16:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anarchyte-2018-07-08T01:01:00.000Z-Sam_Sailor-2018-07-07T16:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rather_strange_Draft_UW_template_at_AFC" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rather_strange_Draft_UW_template_at_AFC-2018-07-10T21:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rather_strange_Draft_UW_template_at_AFC-2018-07-10T21:33:00.000Z"></span>Rather strange Draft UW template at AFC<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rather_strange_Draft_UW_template_at_AFC-2018-07-10T21:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dodger67-2018-07-10T21:33:00.000Z-Rather_strange_Draft_UW_template_at_AFC"></span>I have just declined <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Template:Uw-under13&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Template:Uw-under13 (page does not exist)">Draft:Template:Uw-under13</a> as there is no indication that such a template is wanted. The message (bizarrely imho) talk of reverting edits simply because the contributor is thought to be younger than 13 years. AFAIK WP has never had an age restriction for editors. If such a template were to be seriously suggested I would be inclined to strongly oppose its creation. If it were actually used it might well violate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OUTING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OUTING">WP:OUTING</a> and in fact lead to exactly the problems that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YOUNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YOUNG">WP:YOUNG</a> warn about. <a href="/wiki/User:Dodger67" title="User:Dodger67">Roger (Dodger67)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dodger67" title="User talk:Dodger67">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Dodger67-2018-07-10T21:33:00.000Z-Rather_strange_Draft_UW_template_at_AFC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 10 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dodger67-2018-07-10T21:33:00.000Z-Rather_strange_Draft_UW_template_at_AFC"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dodger67-2018-07-10T21:33:00.000Z-Rather_strange_Draft_UW_template_at_AFC"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deprecating_Uw-patrolled" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deprecating_Uw-patrolled-2018-07-11T17:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deprecating_Uw-patrolled-2018-07-11T17:21:00.000Z"></span>Deprecating Uw-patrolled<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deprecating_Uw-patrolled-2018-07-11T17:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-patrolled&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Uw-patrolled (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Danski454-2018-07-11T17:21:00.000Z-Deprecating_Uw-patrolled"></span>Template:Uw-patrolled</a> is a template from before the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPR">new pages reviewer</a> user right, which prevents new editors from marking pages as patrolled. I would recommend that we remove this template from the project or reword it to advise users to apply for the right at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PERM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PERM">WP:PERM</a> (the former being preferred). --<a href="/wiki/User:Danski454" title="User:Danski454">Danski454</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danski454" title="User talk:Danski454">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Danski454-2018-07-11T17:21:00.000Z-Deprecating_Uw-patrolled" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 11 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Danski454-2018-07-11T17:21:00.000Z-Deprecating_Uw-patrolled"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Danski454-2018-07-11T17:21:00.000Z-Deprecating_Uw-patrolled"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="FYI" data-mw-thread-id="h-FYI-2018-07-17T14:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-FYI-2018-07-17T14:28:00.000Z"></span>FYI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-FYI-2018-07-17T14:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-07-17T14:28:00.000Z-FYI"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1235781174"><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer unresolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/20px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/30px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Purple_arrow_down.svg/40px-Purple_arrow_down.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Moved from <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Uw-editsummary2" title="Template talk:Uw-editsummary2">Template talk:Uw-editsummary2</a></div></div> <p>Just posted at comment about this template at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:ES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:ES">WT:ES</a>, (see <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Edit_summary#Template_notice">here</a>). Thanks - <a href="/wiki/User:Thewolfchild" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Thewolfchild">wolf</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Thewolfchild-2018-07-17T14:28:00.000Z-FYI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 17 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thewolfchild-2018-07-17T14:28:00.000Z-FYI"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thewolfchild-2018-07-17T14:28:00.000Z-FYI"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="uw-subtle3" data-mw-thread-id="h-uw-subtle3-2018-08-12T19:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-uw-subtle3-2018-08-12T19:34:00.000Z"></span>uw-subtle3<span data-mw-comment-end="h-uw-subtle3-2018-08-12T19:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tornado_chaser-2018-08-12T19:34:00.000Z-uw-subtle3"></span>I have created a level 3 template for subtle vandalism. <a href="/wiki/User:Tornado_chaser" title="User:Tornado chaser">Tornado chaser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tornado_chaser" title="User talk:Tornado chaser">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Tornado_chaser-2018-08-12T19:34:00.000Z-uw-subtle3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 12 August 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tornado_chaser-2018-08-12T19:34:00.000Z-uw-subtle3"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tornado_chaser-2018-08-12T19:34:00.000Z-uw-subtle3"></span> </p><p><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/25px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="22" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/38px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/50px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></span></span> Please stop your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing" title="Wikipedia:Disruptive editing">disruptive editing</a>. If you continue to change information on Wikipedia (such as numbers and dates) without explanation, as you did at <a href="/wiki/Article" class="mw-disambig" title="Article">Article</a>, your edits will be considered <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VD">vandalism</a> and you may be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocked from editing</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="welcome-coi-candidate" data-mw-thread-id="h-welcome-coi-candidate-2018-08-13T15:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-welcome-coi-candidate-2018-08-13T15:06:00.000Z"></span>welcome-coi-candidate<span data-mw-comment-end="h-welcome-coi-candidate-2018-08-13T15:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ivanvector-2018-08-13T15:06:00.000Z-welcome-coi-candidate"></span>Quite a long time ago I created <a href="/wiki/User:Ivanvector/Template:welcome-coi-candidate" title="User:Ivanvector/Template:welcome-coi-candidate">User:Ivanvector/Template:welcome-coi-candidate</a>, a welcome template for new accounts editing election articles which appear by their usernames or edits to be candidates in the election, with useful links and advice to consult the conflicts of interest guidelines. I've found it's become useful again lately and added some switches to it, and I'd appreciate any feedback on it before possibly promoting it to the main template namespace. Obviously I need to add documentation, but any advice is appreciated. <a href="/wiki/User:Ivanvector" title="User:Ivanvector">Ivanvector</a> (<sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ivanvector" title="User talk:Ivanvector">Talk</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ivanvector" title="Special:Contributions/Ivanvector">Edits</a></sub>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-Ivanvector-2018-08-13T15:06:00.000Z-welcome-coi-candidate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 13 August 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ivanvector-2018-08-13T15:06:00.000Z-welcome-coi-candidate"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ivanvector-2018-08-13T15:06:00.000Z-welcome-coi-candidate"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="{{uw-spamublock}}_{{x1}}" data-mw-thread-id="h-{{uw-spamublock}}_{{x1}}-2018-08-31T15:52:00.000Z"><span id=".7B.7Buw-spamublock.7D.7D_.7B.7Bx1.7D.7D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-{{uw-spamublock}}_{{x1}}-2018-08-31T15:52:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Uw-spamublock" title="Template:Uw-spamublock">uw-spamublock</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:X1" title="Template:X1">x1</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-{{uw-spamublock}}_{{x1}}-2018-08-31T15:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-83.31.83.119-2018-08-31T15:52:00.000Z-{{uw-spamublock}}_{{x1}}"></span>Maybe make a name for <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:X1" title="Template:X1">x1</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/83.31.83.119" title="Special:Contributions/83.31.83.119">83.31.83.119</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:83.31.83.119&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:83.31.83.119 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#c-83.31.83.119-2018-08-31T15:52:00.000Z-{{uw-spamublock}}_{{x1}}" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 31 August 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-83.31.83.119-2018-08-31T15:52:00.000Z-{{uw-spamublock}}_{{x1}}"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-83.31.83.119-2018-08-31T15:52:00.000Z-{{uw-spamublock}}_{{x1}}"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15&oldid=1197548496">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15&oldid=1197548496</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 21 January 2024, at 00:31<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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