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The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.''</includeonly></div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><div><noinclude>{{al|{{#titleparts:Latin tenses/GA1|-1}}|noname=yes}}<br/></noinclude><includeonly>:''This review is [[WP:transclusion|transcluded]] from [[Talk:Latin tenses/GA1]]. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.''</includeonly></div></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 16:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 20:</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-deleted"><br /></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-deleted"><div>Do drop me a line if I can be of further help as you work on the article. ''[[User:UndercoverClassicist|<b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:UndercoverClassicist|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/UndercoverClassicist|C]]</sup> 20:38, 3 August 2024 (UTC)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><div>Do drop me a line if I can be of further help as you work on the article. 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line-height: inherit;"> <div class="side-box-flex"> <div class="side-box-text" style="padding: 0;">Unsuccessful. <i><a href="/wiki/User:UndercoverClassicist" title="User:UndercoverClassicist"><b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b></a></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:UndercoverClassicist" title="User talk:UndercoverClassicist">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UndercoverClassicist" title="Special:Contributions/UndercoverClassicist">C</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Latin_tenses/GA1#c-UndercoverClassicist-20240803203800-GA_Review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 3 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UndercoverClassicist-20240803203800-GA_Review"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UndercoverClassicist-20240803203800-GA_Review"></span></div></div> </div> <div class="boilerplate-header" style="margin-left: 1.6em; 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class="sidebar nomobile nowraplinks good-article-tools wikitable plainlinks"><tbody><tr><th class="sidebar-title">GA toolbox</th></tr><tr><td class="sidebar-content"> <div class="plainlist"><ul><li><a href="https://iw.toolforge.org/copyvios/%3Flang%3Den%26project%3Dwikipedia%26oldid%3D%26action%3Dsearch%26use_engine%3D1%26use_links%3D1%26turnitin%3D1%26title%3DLatin_tenses" class="extiw" title="toolforge:copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=&action=search&use engine=1&use links=1&turnitin=1&title=Latin tenses">Copyvio detector</a></li><li><a href="https://xtools.wmcloud.org/authorship/en.wikipedia.org/Latin_tenses" class="extiw" title="xtools:authorship/en.wikipedia.org/Latin tenses">Authorship</a></li><li><a href="https://iw.toolforge.org/link-dispenser/analyze/Latin_tenses" class="extiw" title="toolforge:link-dispenser/analyze/Latin tenses">External links</a></li></ul></div></td> </tr><tr><th class="sidebar-heading"> Reviewing</th></tr><tr><td class="sidebar-content"> <div class="plainlist"><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations/templates" title="Wikipedia:Good article nominations/templates">Templates</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_criteria" title="Wikipedia:Good article criteria">Criteria</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations/Instructions#Reviewing" title="Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions">Instructions</a></li></ul></div></td> </tr></tbody></table> <p><span class="plainlinks"><a href="/wiki/Latin_tenses" title="Latin tenses"><b>Article</b></a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Latin_tenses" title="Special:EditPage/Latin tenses">edit</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Latin_tenses&veaction=edit">visual edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Latin_tenses" title="Special:PageHistory/Latin tenses">history</a>)</span> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Talk:Latin_tenses" title="Talk:Latin tenses"><b>Article talk</b></a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Talk:Latin_tenses" title="Special:EditPage/Talk:Latin tenses">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Talk:Latin_tenses" title="Special:PageHistory/Talk:Latin tenses">history</a>)</span> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Latin_tenses&action=watch"><b>Watch</b></a></span><br /> </p><p><b>Reviewer:</b> <a href="/wiki/User:UndercoverClassicist" title="User:UndercoverClassicist">UndercoverClassicist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UndercoverClassicist" title="User talk:UndercoverClassicist">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UndercoverClassicist" title="Special:Contributions/UndercoverClassicist">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Latin_tenses/GA1#c-UndercoverClassicist-20240803203800-GA_Review-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 3 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UndercoverClassicist-20240803203800-GA_Review-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UndercoverClassicist-20240803203800-GA_Review-1"></span> </p><p><br /><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UndercoverClassicist-20240803203800-GA_Review-2"></span> This is a real labour of love, and shows a great deal of erudition and knowledge. To get the bad news out of the way first, I'm going to have to fail this GA nomination on technical grounds. For GA, every statement of fact or analysis needs to be referenced to a <i>secondary</i> source: while the examples from Latin authors are extremely impressive, they don't meet this criterion (under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARY">WP:PRIMARY</a>). Nearly the whole article would need to be re-sourced to meet this criterion, and this is an unreasonable amount of work to expect to be done (or checked) within a seven-day hold period, so a quickfail is the only available option. </p><p>I hope the article will come up here again, once properly reworked, and continue to improve. A couple of pointers for that process: </p> <ul><li>Remember that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTTEXTBOOK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTTEXTBOOK">Wikipedia is not a textbook</a>: make sure that the prose focuses on describing how the Latin tense system <i>works</i>, not how best to learn it.</li> <li>At the moment, the article seems to focus entirely on morphology -- as it's an article about tenses, not verb tables, I think the division into indicative, subjunctive etc is a mistake -- the article's sections should instead be <i>tenses</i>, and should primarily discuss (e.g.) the history and different uses of the present tense, rather than simply listing the endings used by it.</li> <li>It would be useful to draw on some discussion of the development of the language and its changes over time: although most of what is taught in schools as "Latin" is a century or so on either side of Augustus, Latin has a much longer linguistic history than that in both directions.</li></ul> <p>Do drop me a line if I can be of further help as you work on the article. <i><a href="/wiki/User:UndercoverClassicist" title="User:UndercoverClassicist"><b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b></a></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:UndercoverClassicist" title="User talk:UndercoverClassicist">T</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UndercoverClassicist" title="Special:Contributions/UndercoverClassicist">C</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Latin_tenses/GA1#c-UndercoverClassicist-20240803203800-GA_Review-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 3 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UndercoverClassicist-20240803203800-GA_Review-2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UndercoverClassicist-20240803203800-GA_Review-2"></span> </p> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. 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