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Calamitaceae)?<br /><br />Danke.</div> </div> </div> <div class="moderatorbar"> <div class="smalltext modified" id="modified_405462"> </div> <div class="smalltext reportlinks"> <img src="https://www.mineralienatlas.de/forum/Themes/Mineralienatlas 2012/images/ip.gif" alt="" /> Gespeichert </div><div class="like_post_box floatleft"> <a id="like_post_info_405462" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="lpObj.likeHandler.showMessageLikedInfo(405462)"> </a></div> </div> </div> <span class="botslice"><span></span></span> </div> <hr class="post_separator" /> <a id="msg405470"></a> <div class="windowbg"> <span class="topslice"><span></span></span> <div class="post_wrapper"> <div class="poster"> <h4> <img src="https://www.mineralienatlas.de/forum/Themes/Mineralienatlas 2012/images/useroff.gif" alt="Offline" /> <a href="https://www.mineralienatlas.de/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=vdb1h55cvnrp4vr3m8kfd88pi0&action=profile;u=16572" title="Profil anzeigen von oliverOliver">oliverOliver</a> </h4> <ul 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10.887</li> <li class="blurb">klopf auf Holz !</li> <li class="profile"> <ul> <li><a href="https://oeaw.academia.edu/oliverschmitsberger" title="naja ...." target="_blank" class="new_win"><img src="https://www.mineralienatlas.de/forum/Themes/Mineralienatlas 2012/images/www_sm.gif" alt="naja ...." /></a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="postarea"> <div class="flow_hidden"> <div class="keyinfo"> <div class="messageicon"> <img src="https://www.mineralienatlas.de/forum/Themes/Mineralienatlas 2012/images/post/xx.gif" alt="" /> </div> <h5 id="subject_405470"> <a href="https://www.mineralienatlas.de/forum/index.php/topic,61377.msg405470.html?PHPSESSID=vdb1h55cvnrp4vr3m8kfd88pi0#msg405470" rel="nofollow">Re: Stylocalamites</a> </h5> <div class="smalltext">« <strong>Antwort #2 am:</strong> 18 Nov 24, 12:01 »</div> <div id="msg_405470_quick_mod"></div> </div> </div> <div class="post"> <div class="inner" id="msg_405470">hmmm - gute Frage. Das ist die Zuordnung nach PBDB, und die beziehen sich auf Andrews 1970 - die referenz ist also auch nicht mehr ganz taufrisch .....<br />(gerade bei den Pflanzen ist PBDB leider oft nicht wirklich aktuell)<br />ga<br />oliver</div> </div> </div> <div class="moderatorbar"> <div class="smalltext modified" id="modified_405470"> </div> <div class="smalltext reportlinks"> <img src="https://www.mineralienatlas.de/forum/Themes/Mineralienatlas 2012/images/ip.gif" alt="" /> Gespeichert </div><div class="like_post_box floatleft"> <a id="like_post_info_405470" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="lpObj.likeHandler.showMessageLikedInfo(405470)"> </a></div> </div> </div> <span class="botslice"><span></span></span> </div> <hr class="post_separator" /> <a id="msg405537"></a><a id="new"></a> <div class="windowbg2"> <span class="topslice"><span></span></span> <div class="post_wrapper"> <div class="poster"> <h4> <img src="https://www.mineralienatlas.de/forum/Themes/Mineralienatlas 2012/images/useroff.gif" alt="Offline" /> <a href="https://www.mineralienatlas.de/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=vdb1h55cvnrp4vr3m8kfd88pi0&action=profile;u=23623" title="Profil anzeigen von Heureka">Heureka</a> </h4> <ul class="reset smalltext" id="msg_405537_extra_info"> <li class="stars"><img src="https://www.mineralienatlas.de/forum/Themes/Mineralienatlas 2012/images/star.gif" alt="*" /><img src="https://www.mineralienatlas.de/forum/Themes/Mineralienatlas 2012/images/star.gif" alt="*" /><img src="https://www.mineralienatlas.de/forum/Themes/Mineralienatlas 2012/images/star.gif" alt="*" /></li> <li class="postcount">Beiträge: 103</li> <li class="profile"> <ul> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="postarea"> <div class="flow_hidden"> <div class="keyinfo"> <div class="messageicon"> <img src="https://www.mineralienatlas.de/forum/Themes/Mineralienatlas 2012/images/post/clip.gif" alt="" /> </div> <h5 id="subject_405537"> <a href="https://www.mineralienatlas.de/forum/index.php/topic,61377.msg405537.html?PHPSESSID=vdb1h55cvnrp4vr3m8kfd88pi0#msg405537" rel="nofollow">Re: Stylocalamites</a> </h5> <div class="smalltext">« <strong>Antwort #3 am:</strong> 19 Nov 24, 15:02 »</div> <div id="msg_405537_quick_mod"></div> </div> </div> <div class="post"> <div class="inner" id="msg_405537">Hallo,<br /><br />alles kompliziert mit den Karbonpflanzenzuordnungen und das Problem bei Kalamitenbestimmungen kommt mir bekannt vor <img src="/forum/Smileys/bergwerk/cheesy.gif" alt=":D" title="Cheesy" class="smiley" /><br /><br />lt. dem Josten ist Stylocalamites eine von mehreren Verzweigungen bzw. 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class="roundframe" ><div class="clearit">&nbsp;</div><b>Calamites</b> <br>Calamitenblatt; Größe des Blattrestes 30x5cm; Jung`scher Steinbruch; Wildemann<br><i>Copyright: </i> <a href="/lexikon/index.php/UserHomepage?memberid=17147">Harzsammler</a>; <i>Beitrag: </i> <a href="/lexikon/index.php/UserHomepage?memberid=17147">Harzsammler</a><br><i>Sammlung: </i> <a href="/lexikon/index.php/UserHomepage?memberid=17147">Harzsammler</a><br><i>Lokation: </i><a href="/?l=37658" >Deutschland/Niedersachsen/Goslar, Landkreis/Wildemann/Jungscher Steinbruch</a><br><i>Fossil: </i> <a title="Fossil - Calamites" href="/lexikon/index.php/FossilData?fossil=Calamites">Calamites</a><br><i>Image: </i> <a style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Garuda,sans-serif; font-size:12px; color:#346;" onclick="copyToClipboard(\'1424035440\')">1424035440</a><br><i>Lizenz: </i><font title="Das Bild darf zugunsten des Mineralienatlas in digitalen Medien, Druck etc. verwendet werden."> Nur zur Mineralienatlas-Projekt-Verwendung</font></div><span class="lowerframe" ><span></span></span><div style="text-align: center; width: 100%;"><br><a target="_blank" href="/viewF.php?param=1424035440" title="Bild in Originalgröße betrachten" >Originalgröße</a> - <a target="_blank" href="/lexikon/index.php/Bildanzeige?pict=1424035440" title="Wo wurde das Bild eingesetzt, .." >Zusatzinfo</a> - <a href="/lexikon/addons/picturecodeSMF.php?id=1424035440" class="highslide"\n\tonclick="return hs.htmlExpand(this,\n\t{objectType: \'iframe\',\n\toutlineType: \'rounded-white\',\n\tpreserveContent: false,\n\twidth: 710,\n\theight:240,\n\twrapperClassName: \'highslide-wrapper drag-header\'\n\t})"> Bild ins Forum</a> - <a target="_blank" href="/lexikon/index.php/SMFDiscussion?lex=1424035440&part=image">Diskussion</a></div>', dimmingOpacity: 0.8, minWidth: 600 })" class="highslide" " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><img src="https://www.mineralienatlas.de/VIEWmax.php?param=1424035440.jpg" alt="Deutschland/Niedersachsen/Goslar, Landkreis/Wildemann/Jungscher Steinbruch" class="bbc_img" /></a><div class="highslide-heading">Stylocalamites</div><br /><br />Da scheint etwas nicht zu passen. Wenn es ein Blattrest mit den genannten Abmessungen sein soll, dann geht das nicht mit der Calamites Beblätterung (Nadeln, Annularia, Asterophyllites) zusammen. Wenn es ein Blatt sein sollte, käme vielleicht Cordaites oder etwas anderes infrage. Vielleicht ließe sich das an dieser Stelle und wo du gerade beim Aufräumen bist auch noch klären <img src="/forum/Smileys/bergwerk/smiley.gif" alt=":)" title="Smiley" class="smiley" /><br /><br />Viele Grüße<br />Christiane<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /></div> </div> </div> <div class="moderatorbar"> <div class="smalltext modified" id="modified_405597"> </div> <div class="smalltext reportlinks"> <img src="https://www.mineralienatlas.de/forum/Themes/Mineralienatlas 2012/images/ip.gif" alt="" /> Gespeichert </div><div class="like_post_box floatleft"> <a id="like_post_info_405597" href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="lpObj.likeHandler.showMessageLikedInfo(405597)"> <span id="like_count_405597">(<img src="/css/images/Liked.png" alt="" /> 3 Leuten gefällt das)</span> </a></div> </div> </div> <span class="botslice"><span></span></span> </div> <hr class="post_separator" /> <a id="msg405604"></a> <div class="windowbg2"> <span class="topslice"><span></span></span> <div 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class="bbc_standard_quote">Da scheint etwas nicht zu passen. Wenn es ein Blattrest mit den genannten Abmessungen sein soll, dann geht das nicht mit der Calamites Beblätterung (Nadeln, Annularia, Asterophyllites) zusammen.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />da stimme ich völlig zu! 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