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Nov 2009, 11:21 </p> <div class="content">Der Wirkungsgrad eines Kraftwerkes besagt (einfach gesprochen) wie viel Energie muss ich reinstecken um wie viel Energie raus zu bekommen. Wenn CO2 von Verbrennungskraftwerken noch verpresst werden muss, muss dafür noch beträchtliche Energie aufgewendet werden, die den Wirkungsgrad des Kraftwerkes mindert. CCS-Anlagen verbrauchen bis zu 40% mehr Primärenergie (Kohle) als Kondensationskraftwerke ohne CCS. Dazu kommt, dass die CCS-Technologien nur 65-80% CO2 dauerhaft abscheiden (Pilotanlagen). Hinzu kommen natürlich noch die Kosten der Anlageinvestitionen und zusätzlicher Einsatz von großen Mengen an Primärenergie, Verbrauchsmaterial sowie Personal: (für ein 1000 Megawatt -(MW) -Kraftwerk ca. 1,2 Mrd. € zusätzlich). Die erreichbaren Wirkungsgrade, die tatsächlichen Abscheidungsraten, die erforderliche Reinheit des Abgasstroms (wegen Korrosion beim Transport und Einlagerung) sind bisher weitgehend ungeklärt. Außerdem ist der Einsatzzeitpunkt völlig unsicher und dürfte großtechnisch frühestens in 15 bis 20 Jahren möglich sein. Diese Technologie wird aber auf politischer Seite so vermarktet und eingeplant als ob sie schon in den Startlöchern steckt, was natürlich Druck auf die Wissenschaft ausübt und so Raum für Fehler schafft, die zukünftige Generationen ausbaden müssen.</div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Nach oben"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Nach oben</span> </a> </div> </div> <div id="p1044" class="post has-profile bg2"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile1044"> <dt class="no-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./../memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=216&amp;sid=07e6a73659958703726b9c87d7673ba0" class="username">Bob</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Beiträge:</strong> <a href="./../search.php?author_id=216&amp;sr=posts&amp;sid=07e6a73659958703726b9c87d7673ba0">14</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Registriert:</strong> So 30. 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Dez 2009, 09:26 </p> <div class="content">Ich habe zu dieser Thematik ein gutes Fazit von Professor Kreibich (bekannter Kritiker der CCS-Technologien) gefunden:<br> <br> 1. Für Deutschland kommt die CCS-Technologie wegen der schlechten Energie-, Wirtschafts- und Umweltbilanzen nicht in Betracht; außerdem dürfte der Zeitraum bis zur großtechnischen Einsatzreife viel zu groß sein.<br> 2. Es handelt sich um eine äußerst riskante Technologie mit der Aussicht, dass der Klimaschutzeffekt, selbst bei nur geringer Diffusion des CO2 an die Oberfläche, nur um Jahre verschoben würde. Die Gefahren für die Trinkwasserversorgung und die Gesundheitsgefährdungen der Menschen in der Region sind aus heutiger Sicht unkalkulierbar.<br> 3. Die problematischen Sicherheits- bzw. Gefährdungsbilanzen und die enormen Entwicklungs-, Investitions- und Betriebskosten sprechen eine eindeutige Sprache: Die Technologieförderung von CCS ist gegenüber einem konsequenten Ausbau neuer Energiesysteme mit Energieeffizienztechnologien, Erneuerbaren Energien, Energiespeichertechnologien sowie neuen Energie-Systemlösungen (z. B. durch "virtuelle Kraftwerke", Nahversorgungssysteme für Strom und Wärme, Niedrig- und Plus-Energiehäuser etc.) nicht verantwortbar. Auch würden die Mittel für eine regenerative Energiewende in eine unkalkulierbare Risikotechnologie abgezogen sowie die alten fossilen und nuklearen gefährlichen zentralistischen Energietechniken (fossile und nukleare Großkraftwerke) zementiert, die ohnehin nicht mehr lange gebraucht werden.<br> 4. Der Mehrverbrauch an fossilen Energieträgern (Kohle) von bis zu 40% ist unverantwortlich, weil diese Ressourcen als Feststoffe für Chemie, Pharmazie etc. langfristig gebraucht werden und dieser Mehrverbrauch im Widerspruch zu einer nachhaltigen und generationengerechten Entwicklung steht. <br> 5. Es ist damit zu rechnen, dass die Bürger in Deutschland nur eine äußerst geringe Akzeptanz für die CCS-Technologie aufbringen werden. Schon jetzt formieren sich zu Recht massive Bürgerproteste und Ablehnungskampagnen aller wichtigen Umwelt-, Erneuerbarer-Energien- und Verbraucherverbände. <br> Aus alle diesen Gründen bleibt nur noch die weitere Entwicklung der CCS-Technologie für Einssatzgebiete in Asien, Afrika und evtl. in Südamerika. Aber auch hierfür und für die weiteren Forschungs- und Entwicklungsarbeiten sollten die großen Energieversorger RWE, Vattenfall, E.on und EnBW keine öffentlichen Mittel erhalten. 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