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class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Kernow-2007-06-01T15:52:00.000Z-Some_reformatting"></span>Have tried some reformatting in effort to halt template's growing width. In order to preserve chronology, "principal co-belligerents" now shown by italics – but (1) am not sure that their positions are correct; and (2) not sure if Brazil/Czechoslovakia/Vietnam/Thailand qualify as "principal" co-belligerents (or "major" participants)...? Will add "• <i>Others</i>" to end of each list (duplicating links to <a href="/wiki/Axis_powers_of_World_War_II" class="mw-redirect" title="Axis powers of World War II">Axis</a> and <a href="/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II" title="Allies of World War II">Allies</a> provided by these subheadings, but folk might not notice/respond to these instances). Hope nothing unacceptable has crept in. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:David_Kernow" title="User:David Kernow">David Kernow</a> <span style="font-size:90%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Kernow" title="User talk:David Kernow">(talk)</a></span> 15:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC) Это пиздеж блять! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/213.88.4.54" title="Special:Contributions/213.88.4.54">213.88.4.54</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:213.88.4.54&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:213.88.4.54 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-David_Kernow-2007-06-01T15:52:00.000Z-Some_reformatting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 29 November 2010 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Kernow-2007-06-01T15:52:00.000Z-Some_reformatting"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Kernow-2007-06-01T15:52:00.000Z-Some_reformatting"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Further_amendments" data-mw-thread-id="h-Further_amendments-Some_reformatting-2007-06-02T04:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Further_amendments-Some_reformatting-2007-06-02T04:50:00.000Z"></span>Further amendments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Further_amendments-Some_reformatting-2007-06-02T04:50:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Further amendments"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ol><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Kernow-2007-06-02T04:50:00.000Z-Further_amendments"></span>If Japan to be listed under 1937, then China also.</li> <li>In light of the <a href="/wiki/Czech_resistance_to_Nazi_occupation" class="mw-redirect" title="Czech resistance to Nazi occupation">Czech resistance to Nazi occupation</a> article, have removed Czechoslovakia from "Major participants"/"co-belligerents" list and included it in a "Resistance movements" section. This section probably needs some further (non-European) additions.</li></ol> <p>Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:David_Kernow" title="User:David Kernow">David Kernow</a> <span style="font-size:90%;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Kernow" title="User talk:David Kernow">(talk)</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-David_Kernow-2007-06-02T04:50:00.000Z-Further_amendments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 2 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Kernow-2007-06-02T04:50:00.000Z-Further_amendments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Kernow-2007-06-02T04:50:00.000Z-Further_amendments"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-96T-2007-06-02T11:26:00.000Z-David_Kernow-2007-06-02T04:50:00.000Z"></span>One question - what makes Brazil a co-belligerents and not a participant? <a href="/wiki/User:96T" title="User:96T">96T</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-96T-2007-06-02T11:26:00.000Z-David_Kernow-2007-06-02T04:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-96T-2007-06-02T11:26:00.000Z-David_Kernow-2007-06-02T04:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-96T-2007-06-02T11:26:00.000Z-David_Kernow-2007-06-02T04:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Folks_at_137-2007-06-02T12:40:00.000Z-96T-2007-06-02T11:26:00.000Z"></span>Good question. I earlier wrote: "Brazil patrolled parts of the Atlantic and sent a division (<a href="/wiki/Brazilian_Expeditionary_Force_(FEB)" class="mw-redirect" title="Brazilian Expeditionary Force (FEB)">Brazilian Expeditionary Force (FEB)</a>) to Italy where they liberated parts of the Po valley." It sems to me that Brazil was an active ally. <a href="/wiki/User:Folks_at_137" title="User:Folks at 137">Folks at 137</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Folks_at_137-2007-06-02T12:40:00.000Z-96T-2007-06-02T11:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Folks_at_137-2007-06-02T12:40:00.000Z-96T-2007-06-02T11:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Folks_at_137-2007-06-02T12:40:00.000Z-96T-2007-06-02T11:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Kernow-2007-06-02T18:47:00.000Z-96T-2007-06-02T11:26:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for spotting; have amended accordingly. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:David_Kernow" title="User:David Kernow">David</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Kernow" title="User talk:David Kernow">talk</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-David_Kernow-2007-06-02T18:47:00.000Z-96T-2007-06-02T11:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Kernow-2007-06-02T18:47:00.000Z-96T-2007-06-02T11:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Kernow-2007-06-02T18:47:00.000Z-96T-2007-06-02T11:26:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Winter_War" data-mw-thread-id="h-Winter_War-2007-06-27T23:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Winter_War-2007-06-27T23:07:00.000Z"></span>Winter War<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Winter_War-2007-06-27T23:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Winter War"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dojarca-2007-06-27T23:07:00.000Z-Winter_War"></span>Can anybody point here how <a href="/wiki/Winter_War" title="Winter War">Winter War</a> is related to WWII?--<a href="/wiki/User:Dojarca" title="User:Dojarca">Dojarca</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Dojarca-2007-06-27T23:07:00.000Z-Winter_War" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dojarca-2007-06-27T23:07:00.000Z-Winter_War"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dojarca-2007-06-27T23:07:00.000Z-Winter_War"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Piotr_Mikołajski-2007-06-30T10:14:00.000Z-Dojarca-2007-06-27T23:07:00.000Z"></span>Maybe you should read <a href="/wiki/Winter_War" title="Winter War">Winter War</a> article more carefully? I guess that <a href="/wiki/Winter_War#Beginning_of_World_War_II" title="Winter War">Winter War#Beginning of World War II</a> is far enough for including Winter War as a part of WWII? <a href="/wiki/User:Piotr_Miko%C5%82ajski" title="User:Piotr Mikołajski">Piotr Mikołajski</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Piotr_Mikołajski-2007-06-30T10:14:00.000Z-Dojarca-2007-06-27T23:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:14, 30 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Piotr_Mikołajski-2007-06-30T10:14:00.000Z-Dojarca-2007-06-27T23:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Piotr_Mikołajski-2007-06-30T10:14:00.000Z-Dojarca-2007-06-27T23:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Free_France_/_Vichy_France_issue" data-mw-thread-id="h-Free_France_/_Vichy_France_issue-2007-07-01T01:21:00.000Z"><span id="Free_France_.2F_Vichy_France_issue"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Free_France_/_Vichy_France_issue-2007-07-01T01:21:00.000Z"></span>Free France / Vichy France issue<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Free_France_/_Vichy_France_issue-2007-07-01T01:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Free France / Vichy France issue"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paris_By_Night-2007-07-01T01:21:00.000Z-Free_France_/_Vichy_France_issue"></span>there's a problem with france since there was two france each one with its own flag and leader. looking at the current article its like vichy france never existed, but it did! vichy french fought the russians in the eastern front through the SS division charlemagne and LVF, they fought the thai then the japanese in french indochina, they fought the allies in africa and maghreb. this had to be mentioned like you have done with the smaller country that is finland! <a href="/wiki/User:Paris_By_Night" title="User:Paris By Night">Paris By Night</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Paris_By_Night-2007-07-01T01:21:00.000Z-Free_France_/_Vichy_France_issue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:21, 1 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paris_By_Night-2007-07-01T01:21:00.000Z-Free_France_/_Vichy_France_issue"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paris_By_Night-2007-07-01T01:21:00.000Z-Free_France_/_Vichy_France_issue"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="British_Crown_Colonies" data-mw-thread-id="h-British_Crown_Colonies"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-British_Crown_Colonies"></span>British Crown Colonies<span data-mw-comment-end="h-British_Crown_Colonies"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: British Crown Colonies"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I see that British Crown Colonies like <a href="/wiki/India" title="India">India</a> are not even mentioned in the template. Either the entry of UK should be changed to the British Empire, or it should carry a note saying "includes British Crown Colonies", or a separate entry should be made for <a href="/wiki/India" title="India">India</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Timeline_1941" data-mw-thread-id="h-Timeline_1941-2007-07-31T17:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Timeline_1941-2007-07-31T17:20:00.000Z"></span>Timeline 1941<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Timeline_1941-2007-07-31T17:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Timeline 1941"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kirrages-2007-07-31T17:20:00.000Z-Timeline_1941"></span>Whilst the <a href="/wiki/Anglo-Soviet_invasion_of_Iran" title="Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran">Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran</a> is included in the timeline in 1941 the other elements to the Middle East Campaign are not (ref the "invisible" Vichy French mentioned above). Perhaps it would be appropriate if the Iran line was substituted with a link to the Middle East campaign with text to indicate all the elementse.g. <a href="/wiki/Middle_East_Campaign" class="mw-redirect" title="Middle East Campaign">Iraq, Lebanon, Syria & Iran</a> that is [[Middle East Campaign|Iraq, Lebanon, Syria & Iran]]. </p><p>Also I think the <a href="/wiki/East_African_Campaign_(World_War_II)" class="mw-redirect" title="East African Campaign (World War II)">East African Campaign</a> should be included. This was a very serious and tough campaign with the equivalent of five plus divisions of infantry on each side - as big as the early campaigns in North Africa. <a href="/wiki/User:Kirrages" title="User:Kirrages">Stephen Kirrage</a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kirrages" title="User talk:Kirrages">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kirrages" title="Special:Contributions/Kirrages">contribs</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Kirrages-2007-07-31T17:20:00.000Z-Timeline_1941" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kirrages-2007-07-31T17:20:00.000Z-Timeline_1941"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kirrages-2007-07-31T17:20:00.000Z-Timeline_1941"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Timeline_1942/43" data-mw-thread-id="h-Timeline_1942/43-Timeline_1941-2007-08-08T08:28:00.000Z"><span id="Timeline_1942.2F43"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Timeline_1942/43-Timeline_1941-2007-08-08T08:28:00.000Z"></span>Timeline 1942/43<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Timeline_1942/43-Timeline_1941-2007-08-08T08:28:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Timeline 1942/43"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anynobody-2007-08-08T08:28:00.000Z-Timeline_1942/43"></span>The Guadalcanal campaign actually happened more in 1942 (August-December) than it did 1943 (January-February) so I moved it to 42 which could stand the addition. In it's original place I linked the rest of the <a href="/wiki/Solomon_Islands_campaign" title="Solomon Islands campaign">Solomon Islands campaign</a> which for the most part took place in 1943. <a href="/wiki/User:Anynobody" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Anynobody">Anynobody</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Anynobody-2007-08-08T08:28:00.000Z-Timeline_1942/43" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:28, 8 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anynobody-2007-08-08T08:28:00.000Z-Timeline_1942/43"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anynobody-2007-08-08T08:28:00.000Z-Timeline_1942/43"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RSI" data-mw-thread-id="h-RSI-2007-08-09T22:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RSI-2007-08-09T22:24:00.000Z"></span>RSI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RSI-2007-08-09T22:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: RSI"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anynobody-2007-08-09T22:24:00.000Z-RSI"></span>The RSI was a member of the Axis as such from 1943 - 1945, with its own Government, Capital and Military units. The template is about the MEMBERS of the Axis and the RSI was a member of the Axis as such. The RSI emerged out of the Kingdom of Italy, which entered the war in 1940. The head of the RSI was the same as the head of the Fascist State within the Kingdom of Italy. But its entry can also be specified to 1943. <a href="/wiki/Daufer" class="mw-redirect" title="Daufer">Daufer</a> </p> <dl><dd>It has to be specified in 1943, in 1940 there was just Italy and the RSI didn't even exist yet. Frankly since the Free French aren't listed on the Allies side I don't see why the RSI should be listed on the Axis. <a href="/wiki/User:Anynobody" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Anynobody">Anynobody</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Anynobody-2007-08-09T22:24:00.000Z-RSI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anynobody-2007-08-09T22:24:00.000Z-RSI"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anynobody-2007-08-09T22:24:00.000Z-RSI"></span></dd></dl> <p>Ok, than it will be specified to 1943. Mussolini never signed the armistice, and when he was liberated, he and several loyal generals reestablished the fascist regime, in the north of the Gustav line with the help of the Nazi regime. But the RSI had the Same heads, same racial laws, same currency, same ideology, same politics as the Fascist Kingdom of Italy before. As for your strange comparison. 1. The RSI was the RSI and Free France was Free France, whats the connection? 2. Unlike the Trieste province and South Tyrol which were annexed by Germany, and under German control, the RSI remained independent. And was, as a state, a member of the Axis from 43 - 45. The RSI had its own Government, Capital and Military Units. If this was the same case with Free France and the Allies, than Free France should be added to the members of the Allies from its entrance - the end of war. </p><p>Whether it was a puppet state or not, doesnt matter, because it was a state nonetheless. And it was a member of the Axis, as that state, the RSI. Its actually really simple. <a href="/wiki/Daufer" class="mw-redirect" title="Daufer">Daufer</a> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Archiving" data-mw-thread-id="h-Archiving-2007-09-15T01:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Archiving-2007-09-15T01:00:00.000Z"></span>Archiving<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Archiving-2007-09-15T01:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Archiving"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dna-webmaster-2007-09-15T01:00:00.000Z-Archiving"></span>Hi guys, I have archived old discussions here: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II/Archive_01&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:World War II/Archive 01 (page does not exist)">Archive 01</a>. It was surely high time... My regards, --<a href="/wiki/User:Dna-webmaster" title="User:Dna-webmaster">Dna-Dennis</a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dna-webmaster" title="User talk:Dna-webmaster">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dna-webmaster" title="Special:Contributions/Dna-webmaster">contribs</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Dna-webmaster-2007-09-15T01:00:00.000Z-Archiving" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:00, 15 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dna-webmaster-2007-09-15T01:00:00.000Z-Archiving"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dna-webmaster-2007-09-15T01:00:00.000Z-Archiving"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Compression,_anyone?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Compression,_anyone?-2007-09-19T14:16:00.000Z"><span id="Compression.2C_anyone.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Compression,_anyone?-2007-09-19T14:16:00.000Z"></span>Compression, anyone?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Compression,_anyone?-2007-09-19T14:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Compression, anyone?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dna-webmaster-2007-09-19T14:16:00.000Z-Compression,_anyone?"></span>While I admire the great work & effort that has been put into this template, I nevertheless have some concerns. I created this template once, and as the absent father, I weep a little for my child which seems to suffer from serious <a href="/wiki/Elephantiasis" title="Elephantiasis">elephantiasis</a>... :) </p> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Elephantiasis.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Elephantiasis.jpg/150px-Elephantiasis.jpg" decoding="async" width="150" height="103" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Elephantiasis.jpg/225px-Elephantiasis.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Elephantiasis.jpg/300px-Elephantiasis.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2844" data-file-height="1960"/></a><figcaption>My child is suffering...</figcaption></figure> <p>As I said before, the idea was not that this template should serve as an exhaustive or detailed list on various WW2 matters, but only as a jump-off point to WW2 main topics. I talked about this one year ago here : <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II/Archive_01&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template talk:World War II/Archive 01 (page does not exist)">Compression needed!</a>. </p><p>Therefore, I recommend that this template gets <i>thoroughly</i> scrutinized. </p><p>As a starter I'd say: </p> <ul><li>Nuke all the individual resistance movements. Link only to <a href="/wiki/Resistance_during_World_War_II" title="Resistance during World War II">Resistance during World War II</a>.</li></ul> <ul><li>Nuke many of the events in the timeline. Keep only <i>very</i>, <b>very</b> important ones. For a starter, go for 3 or 4 for each year.</li></ul> <ul><li>1940: nuke British Somaliland, Occupation of Baltic states, Bessarabia and Bukovina, Invasion of Indochina, Invasion of Greece.</li></ul> <ul><li>1941: nuke Invasion of Yugoslavia, Middle East, Siege of Leningrad.</li></ul> <ul><li>1942: nuke Operation Torch.</li></ul> <ul><li>1943: nuke End in Africa, replace Invasion of Sicily, Invasion of Italy with Italian Campaign, label it as "Invasion of Italy".</li></ul> <ul><li>1944: nuke Cassino and Anzio, Battle of Romania, Liberation of Paris, Operation Market Garden.</li></ul> <p>Don't worry about "things being left out" - things will <i>always</i> be left out, no matter how hard we try. After all, it's a starting point, and there are links to the different theaters at the top of the template, and to <a href="/wiki/List_of_military_engagements_of_World_War_II" class="mw-redirect" title="List of military engagements of World War II">List of military engagements of World War II</a>. </p><p>Yes, I'm harsh. But sometimes a father has to be. :) My regards, --<a href="/wiki/User:Dna-webmaster" title="User:Dna-webmaster">Dna-Dennis</a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dna-webmaster" title="User talk:Dna-webmaster">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dna-webmaster" title="Special:Contributions/Dna-webmaster">contribs</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Dna-webmaster-2007-09-19T14:16:00.000Z-Compression,_anyone?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dna-webmaster-2007-09-19T14:16:00.000Z-Compression,_anyone?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dna-webmaster-2007-09-19T14:16:00.000Z-Compression,_anyone?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-96T-2007-09-19T17:21:00.000Z-Dna-webmaster-2007-09-19T14:16:00.000Z"></span>I agree that the list needs to be trimmed. I'm not an expert here, but I believe the invasions of Yugoslavia and Greece and the Siege of Leningrad were more important that the Phoney War and Operation Weserübung, which it seems you're going to keep. If the list of resistance movements is removed, Czechoslovakia and perhaps Ethiopia should be placed in the main combatant list. <a href="/wiki/User:96T" title="User:96T">96T</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-96T-2007-09-19T17:21:00.000Z-Dna-webmaster-2007-09-19T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-96T-2007-09-19T17:21:00.000Z-Dna-webmaster-2007-09-19T14:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-96T-2007-09-19T17:21:00.000Z-Dna-webmaster-2007-09-19T14:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dna-webmaster-2007-09-19T17:32:00.000Z-96T-2007-09-19T17:21:00.000Z"></span>I agree with you regarding PhoneyWar/Leningrad, but my personal point was that I'd like to see 3-4 important events each year, without comparing their importance ouside the scope of a year. As for Weserübung/Greece: hmmm...not sure, Norwegian harbors, Swedish iron ore...tricky. Believe me, I hate to remove stuff. But my starters was just me being semi-bold...and it was a little quickie to get some discussions. Regards, --<a href="/wiki/User:Dna-webmaster" title="User:Dna-webmaster">Dna-Dennis</a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dna-webmaster" title="User talk:Dna-webmaster">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dna-webmaster" title="Special:Contributions/Dna-webmaster">contribs</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Dna-webmaster-2007-09-19T17:32:00.000Z-96T-2007-09-19T17:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dna-webmaster-2007-09-19T17:32:00.000Z-96T-2007-09-19T17:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dna-webmaster-2007-09-19T17:32:00.000Z-96T-2007-09-19T17:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grant65-2007-09-19T20:11:00.000Z-Compression,_anyone?"></span>The above suggestions are a good start. I have just added some more Asia/Pacific battles, as I found the list very Eurocentric. I think all of those added are significant, in particular <a href="/wiki/Burma_campaign" title="Burma campaign">Burma campaign</a> (for duration and forces), <a href="/wiki/Operation_Cartwheel" title="Operation Cartwheel">Operation Cartwheel</a> (Allied master plan for the South Pacific from 1943) and <a href="/wiki/Battle_of_the_Philippine_Sea" title="Battle of the Philippine Sea">Battle of the Philippine Sea</a> (the death of the Japanese aircraft carrier fleet) and a significant proportion of its air power. <a href="/wiki/User:Grant65" title="User:Grant65"><span style="color:black">Grant</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Grant65" title="User talk:Grant65"><span style="color:black">Talk</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Grant65-2007-09-19T20:11:00.000Z-Compression,_anyone?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grant65-2007-09-19T20:11:00.000Z-Compression,_anyone?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grant65-2007-09-19T20:11:00.000Z-Compression,_anyone?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RSI_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-RSI_2-2007-11-02T14:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RSI_2-2007-11-02T14:47:00.000Z"></span>RSI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RSI_2-2007-11-02T14:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: RSI"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-87.14.234.106-2007-11-02T14:47:00.000Z-RSI_2"></span>Just a few words. I'm the anonymous user who engaged an edit war with user Daufer on the presence of the RSI in the list of the Axis states. You can find our discussion here <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Daufer&oldid=168732250">[1]</a>. I'm going to do a last revert, and never more. The main reasons because I cancelled RSI from the list is that its military relevance is negligible and is already included in "others". If you want, continue the discussion. Bye, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:87.14.234.106&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:87.14.234.106 (page does not exist)">87.14.234.106</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-87.14.234.106-2007-11-02T14:47:00.000Z-RSI_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-87.14.234.106-2007-11-02T14:47:00.000Z-RSI_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-87.14.234.106-2007-11-02T14:47:00.000Z-RSI_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmlk17-2007-12-26T02:41:00.000Z-87.14.234.106-2007-11-02T14:47:00.000Z"></span>I realize it's far too late, but leaving a discussion never solves anything. <a href="/wiki/User:Jmlk17" title="User:Jmlk17"><span style="color:#008000">Jmlk</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jmlk17" title="Special:Contributions/Jmlk17"><span style="color:#000080">1</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jmlk17" title="User talk:Jmlk17"><span style="color:#800000">7</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Jmlk17-2007-12-26T02:41:00.000Z-87.14.234.106-2007-11-02T14:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:41, 26 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmlk17-2007-12-26T02:41:00.000Z-87.14.234.106-2007-11-02T14:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmlk17-2007-12-26T02:41:00.000Z-87.14.234.106-2007-11-02T14:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Kingdom_of_Italy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kingdom_of_Italy-2007-11-03T06:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Kingdom_of_Italy-2007-11-03T06:27:00.000Z"></span>Kingdom of Italy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Kingdom_of_Italy-2007-11-03T06:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Kingdom of Italy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daufer-2007-11-03T06:27:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_Italy"></span>- 10th June 1940 : Kingdom of Italy enters WWII<br/> - 9th July 1943 : Allied Landing in Sicily<br/> - 25th July 1943 : General Badoglio and the King VE III overthrow Mussolini and Arrest him<br/> - 17th August 1943 : Allies conquer all of Sicily<br/> - 3rd September 1943 : Allies begin invasion of Italy, Axis retreat to Volturno Line<br/> - 8th September 1943 : The Kingdom of Italy sign the Armistice (Joining the Allies and declaring war on Germany)<br/> - 10th September 1943 : Germans take control of all Italy North of the Volturno Line; The King flees to the Allies<br/> - 12th September 1943 : Germans liberate Mussolini<br/> - 13th September 1943 : The Allies and the King create the Kingdom of the South with capital at Bari<br/> - 23rd September 1943 : The Italian Social Republic (RSI) is proclaimed and ruled by Mussolini<br/> - 23rd September 1943 : Badoglio (Kingdom of Italy) signs the formal documents of surrender with General Eisenhower aboard <i>Nelson</i> off Malta </p><p>The Kingdom of Italy was an Allied member for 2 days. The Kingdom of the South (a state put up by the allies in already allied territory) remained with the allies - end of war. <a href="/wiki/User:Daufer" title="User:Daufer">Daufer</a> <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">comment</a> was added at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Daufer-2007-11-03T06:27:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_Italy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daufer-2007-11-03T06:27:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_Italy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daufer-2007-11-03T06:27:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_Italy"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Johnson-2007-11-03T08:39:00.000Z-Daufer-2007-11-03T06:27:00.000Z"></span>Can you provide any source for this "Kingdom of the South"? Certainly the territory under the control of the allies was the southern part, but I can find no evidence that the Royal government did not claim to be the legitimate government of all Italy. In the meantime I am reverting what is, because of the template layout, a fairly messy edit. --<a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Johnson" title="User:Michael Johnson">Michael Johnson</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Michael_Johnson-2007-11-03T08:39:00.000Z-Daufer-2007-11-03T06:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 3 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Johnson-2007-11-03T08:39:00.000Z-Daufer-2007-11-03T06:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Johnson-2007-11-03T08:39:00.000Z-Daufer-2007-11-03T06:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Daufer-2007-11-03T08:51:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_Italy"></span>Literature about the Regno Del Sud (Kingdom of the South) is: <i>Königreich des Südens : Italien 1943/44</i> / E. R. Rosen. Goltze, 1988-90 - <i>Regno del Sud</i> / S. Bertoldi - <i>The Italian Anti-Fascist Resistance in Retrospect: Three Decades of Historiography</i> / Charles F. Delzell - <i>Mussolini's Last Republic Propaganda and Politics in the Italian Social Republic</i> / Luisa Quartermaine.<br/> I-Net source from A. Gasperi Foundation <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.fondazionedegasperi.it/Inglese/page.asp?IDCategoria=782&IDSezione=4511&ID=91749">http://www.fondazionedegasperi.it/Inglese/page.asp?IDCategoria=782&IDSezione=4511&ID=91749</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Daufer" title="User:Daufer">Daufer</a> <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">comment</a> was added at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Daufer-2007-11-03T08:51:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_Italy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Daufer-2007-11-03T08:51:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_Italy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Daufer-2007-11-03T08:51:00.000Z-Kingdom_of_Italy"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Johnson-2007-11-03T09:17:00.000Z-Daufer-2007-11-03T08:51:00.000Z"></span>I'm afraid I didn't read it like that. The internet source seems to me to use the term "Kingdom of the South" as a nickname to contrast it to RSI in the north, both of which I presume claimed to be the legitimate government of Italy, not governments of separate northern and southern states. In any case the point is technical, and hardly appropriate for a template. Perhaps you would be better off taking it to <a href="/wiki/History_of_Italy_as_a_monarchy_and_in_the_World_Wars" class="mw-redirect" title="History of Italy as a monarchy and in the World Wars">History of Italy as a monarchy and in the World Wars</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Johnson" title="User:Michael Johnson">Michael Johnson</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Michael_Johnson-2007-11-03T09:17:00.000Z-Daufer-2007-11-03T08:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:17, 3 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Johnson-2007-11-03T09:17:00.000Z-Daufer-2007-11-03T08:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Johnson-2007-11-03T09:17:00.000Z-Daufer-2007-11-03T08:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Japan_and_China" data-mw-thread-id="h-Japan_and_China-2008-01-23T04:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Japan_and_China-2008-01-23T04:17:00.000Z"></span>Japan and China<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Japan_and_China-2008-01-23T04:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Japan and China"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-96.229.179.106-2008-01-23T04:17:00.000Z-Japan_and_China"></span>I think we should remove "1937 invasion of China", because the war starts in 1939. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/96.229.179.106" title="Special:Contributions/96.229.179.106">96.229.179.106</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:96.229.179.106" title="User talk:96.229.179.106">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-96.229.179.106-2008-01-23T04:17:00.000Z-Japan_and_China" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-96.229.179.106-2008-01-23T04:17:00.000Z-Japan_and_China"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-96.229.179.106-2008-01-23T04:17:00.000Z-Japan_and_China"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Johnson-2008-01-23T04:24:00.000Z-96.229.179.106-2008-01-23T04:17:00.000Z"></span>The war between Japan and China started in 1937, and is usually considered to be part of WW2. --<a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Johnson" title="User:Michael Johnson">Michael Johnson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Johnson" title="User talk:Michael Johnson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Michael_Johnson-2008-01-23T04:24:00.000Z-96.229.179.106-2008-01-23T04:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Johnson-2008-01-23T04:24:00.000Z-96.229.179.106-2008-01-23T04:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Johnson-2008-01-23T04:24:00.000Z-96.229.179.106-2008-01-23T04:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-96.229.179.106-2008-01-23T22:11:00.000Z-Japan_and_China"></span>Yeah! But in the <a href="/wiki/Timeline_of_World_War_II" class="mw-redirect" title="Timeline of World War II">timeline of World War II</a>, it only has from 1939 onward. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/96.229.179.106" title="Special:Contributions/96.229.179.106">96.229.179.106</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:96.229.179.106" title="User talk:96.229.179.106">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-96.229.179.106-2008-01-23T22:11:00.000Z-Japan_and_China" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-96.229.179.106-2008-01-23T22:11:00.000Z-Japan_and_China"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-96.229.179.106-2008-01-23T22:11:00.000Z-Japan_and_China"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Johnson-2008-01-23T23:36:00.000Z-96.229.179.106-2008-01-23T22:11:00.000Z"></span>That article does not mention the Japanese-Chinese conflict at all, apart from where American forces are involved. Overall the article tends to take an euro-centric view of the war. Problems with one article should not influence the attempts to improve another. --<a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Johnson" title="User:Michael Johnson">Michael Johnson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Johnson" title="User talk:Michael Johnson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Michael_Johnson-2008-01-23T23:36:00.000Z-96.229.179.106-2008-01-23T22:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Johnson-2008-01-23T23:36:00.000Z-96.229.179.106-2008-01-23T22:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Johnson-2008-01-23T23:36:00.000Z-96.229.179.106-2008-01-23T22:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jooler-2008-01-24T19:15:00.000Z-Michael_Johnson-2008-01-23T23:36:00.000Z"></span>This is simply not true. There are 28 items on the timeline referencing the conflict in China. Eight of them are before US involvement in the War on December 8 1941. The entries referencing the US in China are relatively sparse amongst the remaining entries. You can drag in all sorts of conflicts into the grander heading WWII. <a href="/wiki/Second_Italo-Abyssinian_War" class="mw-redirect" title="Second Italo-Abyssinian War">Italy's campaign in Abyssinia</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Spanish_Civil_War" title="Spanish Civil War">Spanish Civil War</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Winter_War" title="Winter War">Winter War</a>. Some argue that WWII only ended with the fall of the Soviet Union. Others argue that 1914-1918 & 1919-1945 were the same conflict. <a href="/wiki/Stephen_Ambrose" class="mw-redirect" title="Stephen Ambrose">Stephen Ambrose</a> argues both. However - the generally accepted convention is that WWII began with the Invasion of Poland in 1939. The conflit in China merged into WWII when the <a href="/wiki/Great_Power" class="mw-redirect" title="Great Power">Great Powers</a> became involved. In much the same way as the <a href="/wiki/War_of_Jenkins%27_Ear" title="War of Jenkins' Ear">War of Jenkins' Ear</a> merged into the <a href="/wiki/War_of_Austrian_Succession" class="mw-redirect" title="War of Austrian Succession">War of Austrian Succession</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jooler" title="User:Jooler">Jooler</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jooler" title="User talk:Jooler">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Jooler-2008-01-24T19:15:00.000Z-Michael_Johnson-2008-01-23T23:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jooler-2008-01-24T19:15:00.000Z-Michael_Johnson-2008-01-23T23:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jooler-2008-01-24T19:15:00.000Z-Michael_Johnson-2008-01-23T23:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-96.229.179.106-2008-01-24T23:10:00.000Z-Jooler-2008-01-24T19:15:00.000Z"></span>Agree! WWII exactly started in 1939. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/96.229.179.106" title="Special:Contributions/96.229.179.106">96.229.179.106</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:96.229.179.106" title="User talk:96.229.179.106">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-96.229.179.106-2008-01-24T23:10:00.000Z-Jooler-2008-01-24T19:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 24 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-96.229.179.106-2008-01-24T23:10:00.000Z-Jooler-2008-01-24T19:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-96.229.179.106-2008-01-24T23:10:00.000Z-Jooler-2008-01-24T19:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Spain?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spain?-2009-04-26T17:29:00.000Z"><span id="Spain.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Spain?-2009-04-26T17:29:00.000Z"></span>Spain?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Spain?-2009-04-26T17:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Spain?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Surv1v4l1st-2009-04-26T17:29:00.000Z-Spain?"></span>Any thoughts of adding the Spain to the Axis power section with a link to <a href="/wiki/Spain_in_World_War_II" class="mw-redirect" title="Spain in World War II">Spain in World War II</a>? While technically neutral, they did provide manpower and material to Axis war aims. <span style="color: #E1AE14;background-color: #125B0B;">Surv1v4l1st</span> <sup><span style="font-size:10px">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Surv1v4l1st" title="User talk:Surv1v4l1st">Talk</a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Surv1v4l1st" title="Special:Contributions/Surv1v4l1st">Contribs</a>)</span></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Surv1v4l1st-2009-04-26T17:29:00.000Z-Spain?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Surv1v4l1st-2009-04-26T17:29:00.000Z-Spain?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Surv1v4l1st-2009-04-26T17:29:00.000Z-Spain?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Folks_at_137-2009-07-05T09:16:00.000Z-Surv1v4l1st-2009-04-26T17:29:00.000Z"></span>Neutral is neutral, although for part of the war Spain described itself as a "<a href="/wiki/Non-belligerent" title="Non-belligerent">Non-belligerent</a>"; it also set a (deliberately?) very high bar for its active participation and backed off quickly. Most "neutrals" were partial: Ireland was largely pro-Allies & allowed its citizens to help the war effort and some violations of its territory, etc; Sweden's iron ore was critical to the German war effort; Portugal allowed allied bases on the Canary Islands. I think we have to go with the formal definition, while explaining the nuances. <a href="/wiki/User:Folks_at_137" title="User:Folks at 137">Folks at 137</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Folks_at_137" title="User talk:Folks at 137">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Folks_at_137-2009-07-05T09:16:00.000Z-Surv1v4l1st-2009-04-26T17:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:16, 5 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Folks_at_137-2009-07-05T09:16:00.000Z-Surv1v4l1st-2009-04-26T17:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Folks_at_137-2009-07-05T09:16:00.000Z-Surv1v4l1st-2009-04-26T17:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Yugoslav_resistance" data-mw-thread-id="h-Yugoslav_resistance-2010-02-21T02:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Yugoslav_resistance-2010-02-21T02:42:00.000Z"></span>Yugoslav resistance<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Yugoslav_resistance-2010-02-21T02:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Yugoslav resistance"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FkpCascais-2010-02-21T02:42:00.000Z-Yugoslav_resistance"></span>In the resistance section, under countries, Yugoslavia is linked to <a href="/wiki/Yugoslav_Partisans" title="Yugoslav Partisans">Yugoslav Partisans</a>, but they were not the sole important resistence movement. During the war, the resistence was divided among the Royalists (article <a href="/wiki/Chetniks" title="Chetniks">Chetniks</a>) , that fought the Germans with the final goal of re-establishing the Monarchy, and the Tito Partisans, that eventually won, and did their best to show the first ones as collaborators. The USA and France condecorated the Monarchists, and it will be fair to have both groups included. Maybe under <a href="/wiki/Yugoslav_Partisans" title="Yugoslav Partisans">Yugoslavia:Partisans</a> and <a href="/wiki/Chetniks" title="Chetniks">Yugoslavia:Royalists</a>. Much effort has been done by one Tito enthusist editor to demonstrate the collaboration of the Royalists, so the article is quite unbalanced, but anyway, they were an important resistence moviment in the country, and that is undoubtible. <a href="/wiki/User:FkpCascais" title="User:FkpCascais">FkpCascais</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FkpCascais" title="User talk:FkpCascais">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-FkpCascais-2010-02-21T02:42:00.000Z-Yugoslav_resistance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:42, 21 February 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FkpCascais-2010-02-21T02:42:00.000Z-Yugoslav_resistance"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FkpCascais-2010-02-21T02:42:00.000Z-Yugoslav_resistance"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Civilian_impact_/_war_crimes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Civilian_impact_/_war_crimes-2010-03-20T10:57:00.000Z"><span id="Civilian_impact_.2F_war_crimes"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Civilian_impact_/_war_crimes-2010-03-20T10:57:00.000Z"></span>Civilian impact / war crimes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Civilian_impact_/_war_crimes-2010-03-20T10:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Civilian impact / war crimes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shimgray-2010-03-20T10:57:00.000Z-Civilian_impact_/_war_crimes"></span>Per a comment at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Bengal_Famine_and_the_WW2_template" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Bengal Famine and the WW2 template</a> </p><p>The "Civilian impact" section was <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AWorld_War_II&action=historysubmit&diff=333562503&oldid=332442232">recently retitled</a> "war crimes", which is reasonable enough - but it does mean that the <a href="/wiki/Bengal_Famine_of_1943" class="mw-redirect" title="Bengal Famine of 1943">Bengal Famine of 1943</a> is now described as a war crime, which is a bit at odds with the usual interpretation. Any idea on how best to restructure this? It's probably worth mentioning the Famine somewhere... <a href="/wiki/User:Shimgray" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Shimgray">Shimgray</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shimgray" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Shimgray">talk</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Shimgray-2010-03-20T10:57:00.000Z-Civilian_impact_/_war_crimes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:57, 20 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shimgray-2010-03-20T10:57:00.000Z-Civilian_impact_/_war_crimes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shimgray-2010-03-20T10:57:00.000Z-Civilian_impact_/_war_crimes"></span> </p><p>Вот это прикол! </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Crimean_Offensive" data-mw-thread-id="h-Crimean_Offensive-2010-10-15T23:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Crimean_Offensive-2010-10-15T23:02:00.000Z"></span>Crimean_Offensive<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Crimean_Offensive-2010-10-15T23:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Crimean_Offensive"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stephan_from_NN-2010-10-15T23:02:00.000Z-Crimean_Offensive"></span>Why in the box in <a href="/wiki/1944" title="1944">1944</a> <a href="/wiki/Crimean_Offensive" class="mw-redirect" title="Crimean Offensive">Crimean Offensive</a> didn't appear? <a href="/wiki/User:Stephan_from_NN" title="User:Stephan from NN">Stephan from NN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stephan_from_NN" title="User talk:Stephan from NN">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Stephan_from_NN-2010-10-15T23:02:00.000Z-Crimean_Offensive" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 15 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stephan_from_NN-2010-10-15T23:02:00.000Z-Crimean_Offensive"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stephan_from_NN-2010-10-15T23:02:00.000Z-Crimean_Offensive"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Adding_War_Memorials_to_Aftermath_???" data-mw-thread-id="h-Adding_War_Memorials_to_Aftermath_???-2011-04-03T18:21:00.000Z"><span id="Adding_War_Memorials_to_Aftermath_.3F.3F.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Adding_War_Memorials_to_Aftermath_???-2011-04-03T18:21:00.000Z"></span>Adding War Memorials to Aftermath ???<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Adding_War_Memorials_to_Aftermath_???-2011-04-03T18:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Adding War Memorials to Aftermath ???"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Leidseplein-2011-04-03T18:21:00.000Z-Adding_War_Memorials_to_Aftermath_???"></span>Does anyone object if add War Memorials category to the Aftermath section? I will also populate it with links to several WWII memorials around the globe which have Wikipedia articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Leidseplein" title="User:Leidseplein">Leidseplein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Leidseplein" title="User talk:Leidseplein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Leidseplein-2011-04-03T18:21:00.000Z-Adding_War_Memorials_to_Aftermath_???" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 3 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Leidseplein-2011-04-03T18:21:00.000Z-Adding_War_Memorials_to_Aftermath_???"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Leidseplein-2011-04-03T18:21:00.000Z-Adding_War_Memorials_to_Aftermath_???"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nick-D-2011-04-04T08:08:00.000Z-Leidseplein-2011-04-03T18:21:00.000Z"></span>Could you please be more specific? - which articles are you planning to link here? Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Nick-D" title="User:Nick-D">Nick-D</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nick-D" title="User talk:Nick-D">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Nick-D-2011-04-04T08:08:00.000Z-Leidseplein-2011-04-03T18:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:08, 4 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nick-D-2011-04-04T08:08:00.000Z-Leidseplein-2011-04-03T18:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nick-D-2011-04-04T08:08:00.000Z-Leidseplein-2011-04-03T18:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Leidseplein-2011-04-04T17:02:00.000Z-Nick-D-2011-04-04T08:08:00.000Z"></span>Here are some; there are probably more: <a href="/wiki/National_Monument_(Amsterdam)" title="National Monument (Amsterdam)">National Monument (Amsterdam)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Monument_to_the_Women_of_World_War_II" title="Monument to the Women of World War II">Monument to the Women of World War II</a>, <a href="/wiki/National_World_War_II_Memorial" class="mw-redirect" title="National World War II Memorial">National World War II Memorial</a>, <a href="/wiki/Poklonnaya_Hill" title="Poklonnaya Hill">Poklonnaya Hill</a>, <a href="/wiki/Mamayev_Kurgan" title="Mamayev Kurgan">Mamayev Kurgan</a>, then there are the combination cemeteries/memorials such as:</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Kranji_War_Cemetery" title="Kranji War Cemetery">Kranji War Cemetery</a>, <a href="/wiki/Groesbeek_Canadian_War_Cemetery" title="Groesbeek Canadian War Cemetery">Groesbeek Canadian War Cemetery</a>, <a href="/wiki/Cambridge_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial" title="Cambridge American Cemetery and Memorial">Cambridge American Cemetery and Memorial</a>, <a href="/wiki/Normandy_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial" title="Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial">Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial</a>, and others. Then of course there are the many memorials/cemeteries to both WWI and WWII, What do you think?<a href="/wiki/User:Leidseplein" title="User:Leidseplein">Leidseplein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Leidseplein" title="User talk:Leidseplein">talk</a>) 17:02, 4 April 2011 (UTC) Also, I'm in the process of writing 3 more articles now on memorials, I hope they can fit in somewhere on the WWII template. <a href="/wiki/User:Leidseplein" title="User:Leidseplein">Leidseplein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Leidseplein" title="User talk:Leidseplein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Leidseplein-2011-04-04T17:02:00.000Z-Nick-D-2011-04-04T08:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 4 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Leidseplein-2011-04-04T17:02:00.000Z-Nick-D-2011-04-04T08:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Leidseplein-2011-04-04T17:02:00.000Z-Nick-D-2011-04-04T08:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Leidseplein-2011-04-04T18:41:00.000Z-Leidseplein-2011-04-04T17:02:00.000Z"></span>Here's a much larger list <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:World_War_II_memorials_and_cemeteries&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:World War II memorials and cemeteries (page does not exist)">Category:World War II memorials and cemeteries</a> , , ,<a href="/wiki/User:Leidseplein" title="User:Leidseplein">Leidseplein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Leidseplein" title="User talk:Leidseplein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Leidseplein-2011-04-04T18:41:00.000Z-Leidseplein-2011-04-04T17:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Leidseplein-2011-04-04T18:41:00.000Z-Leidseplein-2011-04-04T17:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Leidseplein-2011-04-04T18:41:00.000Z-Leidseplein-2011-04-04T17:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Leidseplein-2011-04-12T04:04:00.000Z-Leidseplein-2011-04-04T18:41:00.000Z"></span>It's been a week, does anyone have further concerns about adding a section on WW2 memorials/cemeteries to the WW2 template? <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Leidseplein" title="User:Leidseplein">Leidseplein</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Leidseplein" title="User talk:Leidseplein">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Leidseplein-2011-04-12T04:04:00.000Z-Leidseplein-2011-04-04T18:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:04, 12 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Leidseplein-2011-04-12T04:04:00.000Z-Leidseplein-2011-04-04T18:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Leidseplein-2011-04-12T04:04:00.000Z-Leidseplein-2011-04-04T18:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_July_2014_-_Finland" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_July_2014_-_Finland-2014-07-26T01:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_July_2014_-_Finland-2014-07-26T01:46:00.000Z"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2014 - Finland<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_July_2014_-_Finland-2014-07-26T01:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2014 - Finland"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-79.8.234.72-2014-07-26T01:46:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_July_2014_-_Finland"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>We have the dates when Italy <i>switched sides</i>, okay. Then why not adding to the template: Finland, Axis (1940-44), Allies (1944-1945)? I demand it for consistency. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/79.8.234.72" title="Special:Contributions/79.8.234.72">79.8.234.72</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:79.8.234.72&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:79.8.234.72 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) 01:46, 26 July 2014 (UTC) <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/79.8.234.72" title="Special:Contributions/79.8.234.72">79.8.234.72</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:79.8.234.72&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:79.8.234.72 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-79.8.234.72-2014-07-26T01:46:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_July_2014_-_Finland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:46, 26 July 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-79.8.234.72-2014-07-26T01:46:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_July_2014_-_Finland"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-79.8.234.72-2014-07-26T01:46:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_July_2014_-_Finland"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rjensen-2014-07-26T02:37:00.000Z-79.8.234.72-2014-07-26T01:46:00.000Z"></span>Finland never joined the UN (until 1955) which was the definition of Ally. It was treated as an enemy country by the US and UK in 1945. <a href="/wiki/User:Rjensen" title="User:Rjensen">Rjensen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rjensen" title="User talk:Rjensen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Rjensen-2014-07-26T02:37:00.000Z-79.8.234.72-2014-07-26T01:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:37, 26 July 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rjensen-2014-07-26T02:37:00.000Z-79.8.234.72-2014-07-26T01:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rjensen-2014-07-26T02:37:00.000Z-79.8.234.72-2014-07-26T01:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mdann52-2014-08-07T08:22:00.000Z-Rjensen-2014-07-26T02:37:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/30px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62"/></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> per above. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mdann52" title="User:Mdann52"><span style="color:Green"><b>Mdann</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mdann52" title="Special:Contributions/Mdann52"><span style="color:Red"><b>52</b></span></a><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mdann52" title="User talk:Mdann52"><span style="color:Maroon"><i>talk to me!</i></span></a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Mdann52-2014-08-07T08:22:00.000Z-Rjensen-2014-07-26T02:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 7 August 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mdann52-2014-08-07T08:22:00.000Z-Rjensen-2014-07-26T02:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mdann52-2014-08-07T08:22:00.000Z-Rjensen-2014-07-26T02:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ally" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ally-2014-11-20T14:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ally-2014-11-20T14:53:00.000Z"></span>Ally<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ally-2014-11-20T14:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Ally"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nockayoub-2014-11-20T14:53:00.000Z-Ally"></span>Countries like Guatemala, Ecuador or Liberia were Allies too. Look all the Allies countries; <a href="/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II" title="Allies of World War II">Allies of World War II</a>. The Template:World War II forget many countries as Allies, why? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nockayoub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nockayoub (page does not exist)">Nockayoub</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nockayoub" title="User talk:Nockayoub">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Nockayoub-2014-11-20T14:53:00.000Z-Ally" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 20 November 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nockayoub-2014-11-20T14:53:00.000Z-Ally"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nockayoub-2014-11-20T14:53:00.000Z-Ally"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Add_bombs_and_weaponry?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Add_bombs_and_weaponry?-2014-12-28T22:34:00.000Z"><span id="Add_bombs_and_weaponry.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Add_bombs_and_weaponry?-2014-12-28T22:34:00.000Z"></span>Add bombs and weaponry?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Add_bombs_and_weaponry?-2014-12-28T22:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Add bombs and weaponry?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qwertyxp2000-2014-12-28T22:34:00.000Z-Add_bombs_and_weaponry?"></span>Where should we put a template that shows the following history, such as the time in Japanese side of WWII, the German side of WWII, etc.? <a href="/wiki/User:Qwertyxp2000" title="User:Qwertyxp2000"><b>Q</b>wertyxp2000</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qwertyxp2000" title="User talk:Qwertyxp2000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Qwertyxp2000-2014-12-28T22:34:00.000Z-Add_bombs_and_weaponry?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 28 December 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qwertyxp2000-2014-12-28T22:34:00.000Z-Add_bombs_and_weaponry?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qwertyxp2000-2014-12-28T22:34:00.000Z-Add_bombs_and_weaponry?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Antonescu" data-mw-thread-id="h-Antonescu-2015-11-29T16:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Antonescu-2015-11-29T16:43:00.000Z"></span>Antonescu<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Antonescu-2015-11-29T16:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Antonescu"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Romanian-and-proud-2015-11-29T16:43:00.000Z-Antonescu"></span>Hello, I have a proposal: How about you also put Marshal Ion Antonescu in the Axis leaders category? I mean, if you put the top 4 Allied leaders, you got to put the Top 4 Axis leaders too, right? And as far as I know, Antonescu was the leader of the 4th most important Axis country, and the third most important in Europe. That empty space below Mussolini just begs to be filled, and Antonescu is the most plausible candidate for that. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Romanian-and-proud" title="User:Romanian-and-proud">Romanian-and-proud</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Romanian-and-proud" title="User talk:Romanian-and-proud">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Romanian-and-proud-2015-11-29T16:43:00.000Z-Antonescu" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 29 November 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Romanian-and-proud-2015-11-29T16:43:00.000Z-Antonescu"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Romanian-and-proud-2015-11-29T16:43:00.000Z-Antonescu"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_23_August_2019" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_23_August_2019-2019-08-23T16:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_23_August_2019-2019-08-23T16:48:00.000Z"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2019<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_23_August_2019-2019-08-23T16:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2019"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2A02:A318:813B:6100:C9B6:8941:F84F:144F-2019-08-23T16:48:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_23_August_2019"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>War Crimes list lacks Ukrainian war crimes: <a href="/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia" title="Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia">Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A02:A318:813B:6100:C9B6:8941:F84F:144F" title="Special:Contributions/2A02:A318:813B:6100:C9B6:8941:F84F:144F">2A02:A318:813B:6100:C9B6:8941:F84F:144F</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2A02:A318:813B:6100:C9B6:8941:F84F:144F&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2A02:A318:813B:6100:C9B6:8941:F84F:144F (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-2A02:A318:813B:6100:C9B6:8941:F84F:144F-2019-08-23T16:48:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_23_August_2019" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 23 August 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2A02:A318:813B:6100:C9B6:8941:F84F:144F-2019-08-23T16:48:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_23_August_2019"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2A02:A318:813B:6100:C9B6:8941:F84F:144F-2019-08-23T16:48:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_23_August_2019"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mrjulesd-2019-08-23T21:38:00.000Z-2A02:A318:813B:6100:C9B6:8941:F84F:144F-2019-08-23T16:48:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/18px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/27px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/36px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Not done</b></span>, the truth of the matter is that there was a vast number of (possible) war crimes during WWII, take a look at <a href="/wiki/List_of_war_crimes#1939–1945:_World_War_II" title="List of war crimes">List of war crimes#1939–1945: World War II</a> for some. For Poland alone see <a href="/wiki/Category:World_War_II_crimes_in_Poland" title="Category:World War II crimes in Poland">Category:World War II crimes in Poland</a>. To list them all would probably need a template of this size in itself. This template does list all WWII articles, just the ones that are probably most important. <a href="/wiki/User:Mrjulesd" title="User:Mrjulesd"><span style="color:orange;">--Jules</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mrjulesd" title="User talk:Mrjulesd">(Mrjulesd)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:World_War_II#c-Mrjulesd-2019-08-23T21:38:00.000Z-2A02:A318:813B:6100:C9B6:8941:F84F:144F-2019-08-23T16:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 23 August 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mrjulesd-2019-08-23T21:38:00.000Z-2A02:A318:813B:6100:C9B6:8941:F84F:144F-2019-08-23T16:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mrjulesd-2019-08-23T21:38:00.000Z-2A02:A318:813B:6100:C9B6:8941:F84F:144F-2019-08-23T16:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Invasion_of_Luxembourg_is_missing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Invasion_of_Luxembourg_is_missing"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Invasion_of_Luxembourg_is_missing"></span>Invasion of Luxembourg is missing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Invasion_of_Luxembourg_is_missing"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Invasion of Luxembourg is missing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>hi i see at the timeline 1940, near the invasion of belgium and the netherlands, luxembourg is missing! Can somebody please insert Luxembourg in that space refering to the article "German invasion of Luxembourg" ? Thank you Letzebuergerr </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&oldid=1253979988">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:World_War_II&oldid=1253979988</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_military_history_articles" title="Category:Template-Class military history articles">Template-Class military history articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Russian,_Soviet_and_CIS_military_history_articles" title="Category:Template-Class Russian, Soviet and CIS military history articles">Template-Class Russian, Soviet and CIS military history articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Russian,_Soviet_and_CIS_military_history_task_force_articles" title="Category:Russian, Soviet and CIS military history task force articles">Russian, Soviet and CIS military history task force articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_World_War_II_articles" title="Category:Template-Class World War II articles">Template-Class World War II articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:World_War_II_task_force_articles" title="Category:World War II task force articles">World War II task force articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Soviet_Union_articles" title="Category:Template-Class Soviet Union articles">Template-Class Soviet Union articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Soviet_Union_articles" title="Category:NA-importance Soviet Union articles">NA-importance Soviet Union articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Russia_articles" title="Category:Template-Class Russia articles">Template-Class Russia articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Russia_articles" title="Category:NA-importance Russia articles">NA-importance Russia articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Template-Class_Russia_articles" title="Category:NA-importance Template-Class Russia articles">NA-importance Template-Class Russia articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Russia_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Russia articles">WikiProject Russia articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Russia_(history)_articles" title="Category:Template-Class Russia (history) articles">Template-Class Russia (history) articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:History_of_Russia_task_force_articles" title="Category:History of Russia task force articles">History of Russia task force articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Soviet_Union_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Soviet Union articles">WikiProject Soviet Union articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 28 October 2024, at 21:09<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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