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class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Islam" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Islam"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Islam</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Islam-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wow!_Really!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wow!_Really!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Wow! 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IP at it again. 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You can remove this template after fixing the problems. | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kanashimi" title="User talk:Kanashimi">Reporting errors</a></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion-2005-08-12T11:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion-2005-08-12T11:51:00.000Z"></span>Questions on Regional Inclusion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion-2005-08-12T11:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Questions on Regional Inclusion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrianSmithson-2005-08-12T11:51:00.000Z-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion"></span>Can someone please fix the following problem: the map covers the last column of countries (Nigeria through Togo). thx. </p><p>The article states that Mauritania is sometimes considered part of West Africa, but the map shows Western Sahara shaded light green instead. Either the text or the map should be fixed, but I don't know which. </p> <dl><dd>Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Article and image corrected.</dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Lucidity&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Lucidity (page does not exist)">Lucidity</a> 12:01, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>An anon <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Africa&diff=next&oldid=10532092">removed</a> <a href="/wiki/Equatorial_Guinea" title="Equatorial Guinea">Equatorial Guinea</a>, <a href="/wiki/Gabon" title="Gabon">Gabon</a>, <a href="/wiki/Republic_of_Congo" class="mw-redirect" title="Republic of Congo">Republic of Congo</a> and <a href="/wiki/Cameroon" title="Cameroon">Cameroon</a> from the list, but they're still on the map - this ought to be clarified one way or the other. I've no particular knowledge of the region myself.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Sjorford" title="User:Sjorford">sjorford</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sjorford" title="User talk:Sjorford">→•←</a> 14:42, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The map and text should agree now.</dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BrianSmithson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BrianSmithson (page does not exist)">BrianSmithson</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-BrianSmithson-2005-08-12T11:51:00.000Z-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:51, 12 August 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrianSmithson-2005-08-12T11:51:00.000Z-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrianSmithson-2005-08-12T11:51:00.000Z-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lucidity-2005-09-03T08:38:00.000Z-BrianSmithson-2005-08-12T11:51:00.000Z"></span>Sjorford, to answer your question, the list and map don't agree when users come to the article and decide that a particular country should or should not be included in the region, usually subjectively and without citing any authoritative source. I reverted to the map and corresponding list of countries that I have individually verified using <a href="/wiki/The_World_Factbook" title="The World Factbook">The CIA's World Factbook</a> which is a serious and well-respected source of information on foreign countries and such things as regional categorization. I hope that clarifies your concern and helps others understand how this list came about.</dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Lucidity&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Lucidity (page does not exist)">Lucidity</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Lucidity-2005-09-03T08:38:00.000Z-BrianSmithson-2005-08-12T11:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:38, 3 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lucidity-2005-09-03T08:38:00.000Z-BrianSmithson-2005-08-12T11:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lucidity-2005-09-03T08:38:00.000Z-BrianSmithson-2005-08-12T11:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mark_Dingemanse-2005-09-03T09:16:00.000Z-Lucidity-2005-09-03T08:38:00.000Z"></span>Lucidity, along with reverting to a very early revision you removed many recent additions to the history section, many interwikilinks, and other content. I don't think you meant to do this, as you were not saying that the history section was better when the article sticked to the CIA definition. I think we agree that things need to be sourced; we don't agree however on the fact the definition as used in The World Factbook is the only one to be used. Definitions of 'West Africa' differ, and instead of removing everything that is not sourced right now I think it is a better idea to cite sources. I have turned back your revert, hope we can talk about this first. — <a href="/wiki/User:Mark_Dingemanse" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mark Dingemanse">mark</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mark_Dingemanse" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Mark Dingemanse">✎</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Mark_Dingemanse-2005-09-03T09:16:00.000Z-Lucidity-2005-09-03T08:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:16, 3 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mark_Dingemanse-2005-09-03T09:16:00.000Z-Lucidity-2005-09-03T08:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mark_Dingemanse-2005-09-03T09:16:00.000Z-Lucidity-2005-09-03T08:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lucidity-2005-09-03T09:57:00.000Z-Mark_Dingemanse-2005-09-03T09:16:00.000Z"></span>Mark Dingemase, ah! sorry about that; I screwed up the copy and paste. I'll be better about double checking on the next one.</dd> <dd>Also, I understand your point about differing opinions about country inclusion in West Africa, but given:</dd> <dd>A) an unsourced, arbitrary, or subjective depiction of West Africa, and</dd> <dd>B) a sourced, internally and externally available authoritative website on West Africa,</dd> <dd>I think it better maintains the integrity of this wikipedia article if we default to the sourced version as a base and let those who would say otherwise prove their case with citations.</dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Lucidity&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Lucidity (page does not exist)">Lucidity</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Lucidity-2005-09-03T09:57:00.000Z-Mark_Dingemanse-2005-09-03T09:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:57, 3 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lucidity-2005-09-03T09:57:00.000Z-Mark_Dingemanse-2005-09-03T09:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lucidity-2005-09-03T09:57:00.000Z-Mark_Dingemanse-2005-09-03T09:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dvyost-2005-09-03T14:39:00.000Z-Lucidity-2005-09-03T09:57:00.000Z"></span>Lucidity, I still see a few problems. First, you still haven't sourced your new definition of West Africa in the article itself; people generally aren't going to read the whole talk page to see if it happens to mention a source. The definition arrived at there for West Africa was created by comparing several encyclopedias and history texts to see what the most common definitions were, and by working with what was already on the site. You're right to call me out for now listing those in the article--still, I'd like to consult a little more broadly than the CIA world factbook site, which I haven't trusted since I saw Bill Clinton listed there as president of the United States in early 2002. None of this is to disparage your claims, though--your definition may well be better. I just want to check a few places before rearranging the article substantially.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Second, if you want to change the definition of West Africa here, it won't be enough to just change the header; you're going to have to make some substantial changes to the rest of the article. For example, you've added Cameroon, Gabon, and Republic of Congo, which will be need now to be threaded into the history section; Mt. Cameroon will now be the highest point in W Africa; etc. For changes of this size on an article we've all just been working on (it was just colloboration of the week), it would be helpful to discuss it briefly on this page.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Anyway, I think you're right in your objections to its unsourced nature, but I don't think changing things without discussion or new sourcing is quite the way to go here. Mark is right, Lucidity--let's talk about this first! Unfortunately I don't have time to do real revisions right now--I'm in Louisiana and just on a brief break from volunteer coordination. But I hope other users watching this page might have a moment to check an encyclopedia and put their two cents in, then maybe we can rework the article from consensus; if Cameroon does need to be included, I suspect I know just the Wikipedian to do it... --<a href="/wiki/User:Dvyost" title="User:Dvyost">Dvyost</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Dvyost-2005-09-03T14:39:00.000Z-Lucidity-2005-09-03T09:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 3 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dvyost-2005-09-03T14:39:00.000Z-Lucidity-2005-09-03T09:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dvyost-2005-09-03T14:39:00.000Z-Lucidity-2005-09-03T09:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrianSmithson-2005-09-03T17:29:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-09-03T14:39:00.000Z"></span>Well, that Wikipedian is in Louisiana, as well, trying to do what he can at the nearby shelter. But I caught a nasty cold yesterday, so I have had time to come up with this list for differentiating West from Central Africa: (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BrianSmithson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BrianSmithson (page does not exist)">BrianSmithson</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-BrianSmithson-2005-09-03T17:29:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-09-03T14:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 3 September 2005 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrianSmithson-2005-09-03T17:29:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-09-03T14:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrianSmithson-2005-09-03T17:29:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-09-03T14:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-91.89.168.69-2008-04-12T13:20:00.000Z-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion"></span>The text states Mauritania is part of the West Africa UN subregion - on the map it's not. Which one is correct? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/91.89.168.69" title="Special:Contributions/91.89.168.69">91.89.168.69</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:91.89.168.69&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:91.89.168.69 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">comment</a> was added at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-91.89.168.69-2008-04-12T13:20:00.000Z-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-91.89.168.69-2008-04-12T13:20:00.000Z-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-91.89.168.69-2008-04-12T13:20:00.000Z-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Art_LaPella-2014-09-27T23:54:00.000Z-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion"></span>I see this is a very old issue, but nobody has explained why the lede paragraph shouldn't match the infobox map. Including Mauritania in West Africa is mostly a semantic question, but why can't we have one consistent answer? <a href="/wiki/User:Art_LaPella" title="User:Art LaPella">Art LaPella</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Art_LaPella" title="User talk:Art LaPella">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Art_LaPella-2014-09-27T23:54:00.000Z-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:54, 27 September 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Art_LaPella-2014-09-27T23:54:00.000Z-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Art_LaPella-2014-09-27T23:54:00.000Z-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Art_LaPella-2014-10-05T04:12:00.000Z-Art_LaPella-2014-09-27T23:54:00.000Z"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235781174">.mw-parser-output .hmbox-outer{margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .hmbox-inner{display:inline-block;color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);margin-right:0.5em;padding:0.3em 0.5em}</style><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer resolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> Resolved</div> – <span style="font-size: 85%">by changing the map. <a href="/wiki/User:Art_LaPella" title="User:Art LaPella">Art LaPella</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Art_LaPella" title="User talk:Art LaPella">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Art_LaPella-2014-10-05T04:12:00.000Z-Art_LaPella-2014-09-27T23:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 5 October 2014 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Art_LaPella-2014-10-05T04:12:00.000Z-Art_LaPella-2014-09-27T23:54:00.000Z"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Art_LaPella-2014-10-05T04:12:00.000Z-Art_LaPella-2014-09-27T23:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></div></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="West_Africa" data-mw-thread-id="h-West_Africa-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-West_Africa-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion"></span>West Africa<span data-mw-comment-end="h-West_Africa-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: West Africa"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>"West Africa", <i>Encyclopedia Britannica</i> (2004 DVD version): </p> <dl><dd>Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon ("On the east, the western boundary is Cameroon."), Cape Verde (due to its membership in ECOWAS), Côte D'Ivoire, The Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Mali south of the Sahara, Mauritania, Niger south of the Sahara, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Togo</dd></dl> <p>"Western Africa", <i>Encyclopedia Britannica</i> (2004 DVD version): </p> <dl><dd>Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Chad, Côte d'Ivoire, The Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Equatorial Guinea, Liberia, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Togo; Includes this note: "West Africa comprises all of the areas considered here except Cameroon, Chad, Equatorial Guinea, and the Saharan parts of Mali, Mauritania, and Niger."</dd></dl> <p>"African art", <i>Encyclopedia Britannica (2004 DVD version); not exhaustive list:</i> </p> <dl><dd>Benin, Cameroon, Côte d'Ivoire, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Mali, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone</dd></dl> <p>"Africa", <i>Encyclopedia Britannica</i> (2004 DVD version) includes another region, called West-central Africa, "the eastern extension of western Africa". It includes: </p> <dl><dd>Central African Republic, Chad, Democratic Republic of Congo, Gabon, Republic of Congo, Sudan</dd></dl> <p>List from <i>Lonely Planet: West Africa</i>, 5th ed. (2002) </p> <dl><dd>Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon (Cameroon was moved to the book from Lonely Planet: Central Africa for this edition after the latter went out of print), Cape Verde, Côte D'Ivoire, The Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Togo</dd></dl> <p><i>West Africa: The Rough Guide</i>, 3rd ed. (1999): </p> <dl><dd>Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Côte D'Ivoire, The Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, Togo</dd></dl> <p>The Diagram Group has several publications on Africa by region, such as <i>Peoples of Central Africa</i> and <i>History of West Africa</i>. They break the regions up like this: </p> <dl><dd>Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Chad, Côte d'Ivoire, The Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Liberia, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Togo; In addition, their book <i>Peoples of West Africa</i> includes the Moors (Western Sahara, Morocco, Algeria)</dd></dl> <p>Countries that use the West African Franc: </p> <dl><dd>Benin, Burkina Faso, Côte d'Ivoire, Guinea-Bissau, Mali, Niger, Senegal, Togo</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Central_Africa" data-mw-thread-id="h-Central_Africa-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Central_Africa-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion"></span>Central Africa<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Central_Africa-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Central Africa"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>"Central Africa", <i>Encyclopedia Britannica</i> (2004 DVD version): </p> <dl><dd>Burundi ("often considered part [along with Rwanda] because of their long administrative connections with the former Belgian Congo . . .), Central African Republic, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Gabon ("usually included"), Republic of the Congo, Rwanda ("often considered part [along with Burundi] because of orisinal is the best:]]their long administrative connections with the former Belgian Congo . . .), Sao Tome and Principe</dd></dl> <p>"African art", <i>Encyclopedia Britannica (2004 DVD version); not exhaustive list:</i> </p> <dl><dd>Cameroon, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Gabon, Republic of the Congo</dd></dl> <p><i>Lonely Planet: Central Africa</i>, 2nd ed. (1994): </p> <dl><dd>Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Republic of the Congo, Sao Tome and Principe, Zaire</dd></dl> <p>The Diagram Group has several publications on Africa by region, such as <i>Peoples of Central Africa</i> and <i>History of West Africa</i>. They break the regions up like this: </p> <dl><dd>Angola, Central African Republic, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Republic of the Congo, Sao Tome and Principe, Zaire, Zambia; In addition, their <i>Peoples of Central Africa</i> covers the following groups who live in territories that extend outside of this definition of Central Africa: The Azande (Sudan), the Baya (Cameroon, Chad), the Fang (Cameroon), the Lozi (some in Namibia), the Mbuti, Twa, and Mbenga (Pygmies) (Cameroon, Rwanda, Burundi), the Tonga (Zimbabwe)</dd></dl> <p>Countries that use the Central African Franc: </p> <dl><dd>Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Republic of the Congo</dd></dl> <p>A Google Images search for "West Africa", "Afrique de l'Ouest", "Central Africa" or "Afrique du Centre" shows that this is far from a cut-and-dried question. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="More_._._." data-mw-thread-id="h-More_._._.-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion-2005-09-03T22:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_._._.-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion-2005-09-03T22:07:00.000Z"></span>More . . .<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_._._.-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion-2005-09-03T22:07:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: More . . ."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrianSmithson-2005-09-03T22:07:00.000Z-More_._._."></span>Found my old <i>Grolier</i> lying around (1992 ed.). Their list goes: </p> <dl><dd>Benin, Cameroon, Gambia, Ghana, Guine, Guinea-Bissau, Ivory Coast, Liberia, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Togo; sometimes Mali, Mauritania, Niger. (They don't have an article on Central Africa.)</dd></dl> <p>Also, I cross-referenced four different encyclopedias' entries on individual countries for which some level of ambiguity is indicated in the above listings. Here's what we get from <i>Encyclopedia Britannica</i> 2004 DVD version (EB), <i>Worldbook</i> online version (WB), <i>Encarta</i> online version (En), and <i>Grolier</i> 1991 ed. (G): </p> <dl><dd>Angola: "southwestern Africa" (EB); "Africa's southwest coast" (WB); "southwestern Africa" (En); "on the Atlantic Ocean" (G)</dd> <dd>Burundi: "east-central Africa" (EB); "eastern Africa" (En); "east central Africa" (G)</dd> <dd>Cameroon: West & Central (EB); "west coast of Africa" (WB); western (En); western (G)</dd> <dd>Cape Verde: West (EB); west (En)</dd> <dd>Central African Republic: "centre of Africa" (EB); "center of Africa" (WB); Central (En); "close to the geographic center of Africa" (G)</dd> <dd>Chad: "north central" (EB); "north-central Africa" (WB); "north central Africa" (En); "north central Africa" (G)</dd> <dd>Democratic Republic of the Congo: Central (EB); "at the heart of Africa" (WB); central (En)</dd> <dd>Equatorial Guinea: "west coast of Africa" (EB); western (WB); "west central Africa" (G)</dd> <dd>Gabon: "west coast of Africa" (EB); "west coast of Africa" (WB); "west coast of Africa" (G)</dd> <dd>Mali: West (EB); western (WB); northwest (En); West (G)</dd> <dd>Mauritania: "northwestern" (EB); northwestern (WB); northwestern (En); northwest (G)</dd> <dd>Niger: West (EB); West (WB); West (G)</dd> <dd>Republic of the Congo: "west-central Africa" (EB); "west-central Africa" (WB); "west central Africa" (En); "western Africa" (G)</dd> <dd>Rwanda: "east-central Africa" (EB); "east-central Africa" (WB); "east central Africa" (En)</dd> <dd>Sao Tome and Principe: Central (EB); "off the western coast of Africa" (En)</dd> <dd>The Sudan: Northeastern (EB); "northeastern part of the continent" (WB); "northeastern Africa" (En); "northeastern Africa" (G)</dd> <dd>Western Sahara: "northwest Africa" (EB); "northwest coast" (WB); "northwestern Africa" (En); "northwestern Africa" (G)</dd> <dd>Zambia: "south-central Africa" (EB); "south-central Africa (WB); "south central Africa" (En); "south central Africa" (G)</dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BrianSmithson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BrianSmithson (page does not exist)">BrianSmithson</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-BrianSmithson-2005-09-03T22:07:00.000Z-More_._._." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:07, 3 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrianSmithson-2005-09-03T22:07:00.000Z-More_._._."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrianSmithson-2005-09-03T22:07:00.000Z-More_._._."></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Summary?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Summary?-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion-2005-09-03T20:35:00.000Z"><span id="Summary.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Summary?-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion-2005-09-03T20:35:00.000Z"></span>Summary?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Summary?-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion-2005-09-03T20:35:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Summary?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dvyost-2005-09-03T20:35:00.000Z-Summary?"></span>So to summarize what Brian's got here (and fabulous work digging all this up!), it looks like Cameroon is included in most definitions of West Africa--but, complicating things, also in most definitions of Central Africa (since Wikipedia is not consistent, I'd be fine with including it in both articles). It looks like Gabon, Equatorial Guinea, and Rep of Congo are generally not, so we could change the text to reflect that. Sound good? --<a href="/wiki/User:Dvyost" title="User:Dvyost">Dvyost</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Dvyost-2005-09-03T20:35:00.000Z-Summary?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 3 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dvyost-2005-09-03T20:35:00.000Z-Summary?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dvyost-2005-09-03T20:35:00.000Z-Summary?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dvyost-2005-09-11T07:07:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-09-03T20:35:00.000Z"></span>In absence of other user comments/objections, I went ahead and made the change to the text; the image remains to be fixed. This change means that the history section needs to be somewhat adjusted to mention Cameroonian history as well. I've changed the geo section to note Mt. Cameroon. --<a href="/wiki/User:Dvyost" title="User:Dvyost">Dvyost</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Dvyost-2005-09-11T07:07:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-09-03T20:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:07, 11 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dvyost-2005-09-11T07:07:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-09-03T20:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dvyost-2005-09-11T07:07:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-09-03T20:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="UN_stats_definition,_also_used_in_the_Unicode_CLDR_=" data-mw-thread-id="h-UN_stats_definition,_also_used_in_the_Unicode_CLDR_=-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion-2005-10-05T14:15:00.000Z"><span id="UN_stats_definition.2C_also_used_in_the_Unicode_CLDR_.3D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-UN_stats_definition,_also_used_in_the_Unicode_CLDR_=-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion-2005-10-05T14:15:00.000Z"></span>UN stats definition, also used in the Unicode CLDR =<span data-mw-comment-end="h-UN_stats_definition,_also_used_in_the_Unicode_CLDR_=-Questions_on_Regional_Inclusion-2005-10-05T14:15:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: UN stats definition, also used in the Unicode CLDR ="><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moyogo-2005-10-05T14:15:00.000Z-UN_stats_definition,_also_used_in_the_Unicode_CLDR_="></span>Sorry for bringing this up after the debate is over, but there's some data you might find relevant: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49regin.htm#africa">http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49regin.htm#africa</a> which is commonly used in most of the locales keep at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.unicode.org/cldr/">http://www.unicode.org/cldr/</a> . I think this is probably the best references on the topic. ---<a href="/wiki/User:Moyogo" title="User:Moyogo">moyogo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Moyogo-2005-10-05T14:15:00.000Z-UN_stats_definition,_also_used_in_the_Unicode_CLDR_=" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:15, 5 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moyogo-2005-10-05T14:15:00.000Z-UN_stats_definition,_also_used_in_the_Unicode_CLDR_="><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moyogo-2005-10-05T14:15:00.000Z-UN_stats_definition,_also_used_in_the_Unicode_CLDR_="></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrianSmithson-2005-10-05T17:15:00.000Z-Moyogo-2005-10-05T14:15:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the link. As for the debate, there never really <i>was</i> any debate. I posted my findings, and Dvyost did a summary, but that was it. What I really think needs to happen is that all the Wikipedia editors who work on Africa-related articles need to find some central place to discuss the regional breakdown of Africa as a whole. What is East Africa? What is Central Africa? What is Northeast Africa? Should Wikipedia take one particular stance, or should we represent all ambiguity that exists in other sources? Should certain sources get precedence over others? There are <i>a lot</i> of issues that need to be resolved, and it'd make more sense to conclude them all in one place rather than spreading the discussion out between regional articles. Unfortunately, I'm too busy to organize such a discussion at the moment. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BrianSmithson&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BrianSmithson (page does not exist)">BrianSmithson</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-BrianSmithson-2005-10-05T17:15:00.000Z-Moyogo-2005-10-05T14:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 5 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrianSmithson-2005-10-05T17:15:00.000Z-Moyogo-2005-10-05T14:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrianSmithson-2005-10-05T17:15:00.000Z-Moyogo-2005-10-05T14:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rarity0701-2013-10-22T16:32:00.000Z-UN_stats_definition,_also_used_in_the_Unicode_CLDR_="></span>BrianSmithson your article is good but it needs not alot of paragraphs it needs at least 6 because after a while it starts to get boring so take my idea and see what happens good luck! <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rarity0701&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rarity0701 (page does not exist)">Rarity0701</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rarity0701" title="User talk:Rarity0701">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rarity0701" title="Special:Contributions/Rarity0701">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Rarity0701-2013-10-22T16:32:00.000Z-UN_stats_definition,_also_used_in_the_Unicode_CLDR_=" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rarity0701-2013-10-22T16:32:00.000Z-UN_stats_definition,_also_used_in_the_Unicode_CLDR_="><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rarity0701-2013-10-22T16:32:00.000Z-UN_stats_definition,_also_used_in_the_Unicode_CLDR_="></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Collaboration_notes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Collaboration_notes-2005-08-11T21:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Collaboration_notes-2005-08-11T21:23:00.000Z"></span>Collaboration notes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Collaboration_notes-2005-08-11T21:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Collaboration notes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dvyost-2005-08-11T21:23:00.000Z-Collaboration_notes"></span>I started adding a history section but it's clearly gotten out of control; I think I'll move it to <a href="/wiki/History_of_West_Africa" title="History of West Africa">History of West Africa</a> later and put a much more basic summary and link here. Sections that might still be worth including would be languages, culture, economy, recent/current conflicts, regional politics/organizations... any other thoughts? I'll be back to this one tonight myself to patch up the history part and try to get some others started. --<a href="/wiki/User:Dvyost" title="User:Dvyost">Dvyost</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Dvyost-2005-08-11T21:23:00.000Z-Collaboration_notes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:23, 11 August 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dvyost-2005-08-11T21:23:00.000Z-Collaboration_notes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dvyost-2005-08-11T21:23:00.000Z-Collaboration_notes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dvyost-2005-08-12T07:50:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-08-11T21:23:00.000Z"></span>Collapsed the history to a (I hope) managable size. Still could use a bit on the culture, economy, geology, religion, and languages by qualified folks. That history could use a lookover from someone qualified, too. --<a href="/wiki/User:Dvyost" title="User:Dvyost">Dvyost</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Dvyost-2005-08-12T07:50:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-08-11T21:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:50, 12 August 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dvyost-2005-08-12T07:50:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-08-11T21:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dvyost-2005-08-12T07:50:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-08-11T21:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dvyost-2005-08-13T14:13:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-08-11T21:23:00.000Z"></span>Removed the boundary claim of Bantu/non-Bantu as a bit silly (see relevant <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mark_Dingemanse#West_Africa_languages_discussion_with_Mark_Dingemanse" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Mark Dingemanse">User_talk:Mark_Dingemanse#West_Africa_languages discussion with Mark Dingemanse</a>). After all, Sweden, Laos, and Belize are non-Bantu-speaking countries that probably should not be considered a part of the region. Still, if anybody can think of a more reasonable way to formulate this (or cite places where the Bantu/non-Bantu distinction is used) I'd be happy to see it go back in. --<a href="/wiki/User:Dvyost" title="User:Dvyost">Dvyost</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Dvyost-2005-08-13T14:13:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-08-11T21:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:13, 13 August 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dvyost-2005-08-13T14:13:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-08-11T21:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dvyost-2005-08-13T14:13:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-08-11T21:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="If_you_talk_of_corruption_please_explain_reasons_for_corruption" data-mw-thread-id="h-If_you_talk_of_corruption_please_explain_reasons_for_corruption-2005-08-16T03:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-If_you_talk_of_corruption_please_explain_reasons_for_corruption-2005-08-16T03:59:00.000Z"></span>If you talk of corruption please explain reasons for corruption<span data-mw-comment-end="h-If_you_talk_of_corruption_please_explain_reasons_for_corruption-2005-08-16T03:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: If you talk of corruption please explain reasons for corruption"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dvyost-2005-08-16T03:59:00.000Z-If_you_talk_of_corruption_please_explain_reasons_for_corruption"></span>Please expand on the authoritarian nature of colonialism which allowed for manipulators to assert control. Also, there is no mention of the unnatural divisions of boundaries which caused tribalism no different from what Europe experienced. </p><p>Western Sahara can not be included in West Africa because geography is not what defines West Africa. Western Sahara are Berber and Arab, this is not the same as the entire region south of the Sahara. </p><p>At the moment my comments feel emotional and not complete. I will complete my thoughts tommorrow night. (<i>comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shadeyoj&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shadeyoj (page does not exist)">Shadeyoj</a> on 15 August</i>) </p> <dl><dd>Thanks for noting these concerns. Western Sahara isn't really included in West Africa as currently defined by this article, just a note saying that some definitions do include it.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>As for the corruption, if you have some details you can include on its origins, go for it! That, after all, is what Wikipedia is all about. I do tend to agree with you that the corrupt nature of colonial governments is one of the main causes of the corruption we see today, but unfortuantely I didn't have any good sources on hand to support the claim (colonial and postcolonial Africa isn't so much my strong point as pre-colonial). Therefore I've stuck with the simple <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">NPOV</a> fact that it currently exists, but I'd be very happy to see that expanded once some good references could be found. <a href="/wiki/History_of_West_Africa" title="History of West Africa">History of West Africa</a> might be an even better place to go into this, as that article can support much longer explanations (this one's necessarily compressed). Best, --<a href="/wiki/User:Dvyost" title="User:Dvyost">Dvyost</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Dvyost-2005-08-16T03:59:00.000Z-If_you_talk_of_corruption_please_explain_reasons_for_corruption" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:59, 16 August 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dvyost-2005-08-16T03:59:00.000Z-If_you_talk_of_corruption_please_explain_reasons_for_corruption"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dvyost-2005-08-16T03:59:00.000Z-If_you_talk_of_corruption_please_explain_reasons_for_corruption"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-81.154.236.221-2005-08-17T00:47:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-08-16T03:59:00.000Z"></span>One might argue that 'reasons for corruption' include other unfreedoms suffered by West Africans: little or no freedom to particpate in markets; lack of democratic channels to effectively express concern about corruption or foment change; oppression from militias etc... this 'interrelated freedoms' view is of course advocated by Nobel Laureate <a href="/wiki/Amartya_Sen" title="Amartya Sen">Amartya Sen</a>. Basically what I am trying to say is that if you view certain states in West Africa through his "<a href="/wiki/Development_as_Freedom" title="Development as Freedom">Development as Freedom</a>" theory, you see that general underdevelopment - ie unfreedom - of many sorts is allowing corruption to thrive (and, as a collary, corruption inhibits people's freedom). --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:81.154.236.221&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:81.154.236.221 (page does not exist)">81.154.236.221</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-81.154.236.221-2005-08-17T00:47:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-08-16T03:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:47, 17 August 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-81.154.236.221-2005-08-17T00:47:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-08-16T03:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-81.154.236.221-2005-08-17T00:47:00.000Z-Dvyost-2005-08-16T03:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p>If some aspect of West Africa is your pervue please reasearch Bishop TS Johnson Sierra Leone. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Article_Improvement_Drive" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Article_Improvement_Drive-2006-01-17T08:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Article_Improvement_Drive-2006-01-17T08:45:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Improvement_Drive" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Article Improvement Drive">Wikipedia:Article Improvement Drive</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Article_Improvement_Drive-2006-01-17T08:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Article Improvement Drive"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Architecture_of_Africa" title="Architecture of Africa"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fenice-2006-01-17T08:45:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Article_Improvement_Drive"></span>Architecture of Africa</a> is currently nominated on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Improvement_Drive" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Article Improvement Drive">Wikipedia:Article Improvement Drive</a>. Come to this page and support it with your vote. Help us improve this article to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FA">featured status</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Fenice" title="User:Fenice">Fenice</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Fenice-2006-01-17T08:45:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Article_Improvement_Drive" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:45, 17 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fenice-2006-01-17T08:45:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Article_Improvement_Drive"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fenice-2006-01-17T08:45:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Article_Improvement_Drive"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_move" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move-2006-09-27T13:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move-2006-09-27T13:32:00.000Z"></span>Requested move<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move-2006-09-27T13:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Requested move"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><s><a href="/wiki/South_Africa" title="South Africa"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chidom-2006-09-28T00:08:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span>South Africa</a> is a country, the region is <a href="/wiki/Southern_Africa" title="Southern Africa">Southern Africa</a>. Renaming this article to that of its current redirect page would create consistency among the designations for the regions of Africa: <a href="/wiki/Southern_Africa" title="Southern Africa">Southern Africa</a>, <a href="/wiki/Northern_Africa" class="mw-redirect" title="Northern Africa">Northern Africa</a>, <a href="/wiki/Eastern_Africa" class="mw-redirect" title="Eastern Africa">Eastern Africa</a>, <a href="/wiki/Western_Africa" class="mw-redirect" title="Western Africa">Western Africa</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Central_Africa" title="Central Africa">Central Africa</a>.</s> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dt>Withdrawn</dt></dl></dd> <dd>The United Nations Office of the Special Advisor on Africa <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.un.org/issues/m-africa.html">(OSAA)</a> uses both forms.<span style="color:#FF6600;">—</span><a href="/wiki/User:Chidom" title="User:Chidom"><span style="color:#FF6600;"><b>Chidom</b></span></a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chidom&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Chidom (page does not exist)"><span style="color:#660000;"><sup><b>talk</b></sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Chidom-2006-09-28T00:08:00.000Z-Requested_move" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chidom-2006-09-28T00:08:00.000Z-Requested_move"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chidom-2006-09-28T00:08:00.000Z-Requested_move"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yath-2006-09-27T13:32:00.000Z-Chidom-2006-09-28T00:08:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> - The proposed name is not the common name and would be <a href="/wiki/Linguistic_prescription" title="Linguistic prescription">prescriptive</a> rather than <a href="/wiki/Linguistic_descriptivism" class="mw-redirect" title="Linguistic descriptivism">descriptive</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yath" title="User:Yath">Yath</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Yath-2006-09-27T13:32:00.000Z-Chidom-2006-09-28T00:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yath-2006-09-27T13:32:00.000Z-Chidom-2006-09-28T00:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yath-2006-09-27T13:32:00.000Z-Chidom-2006-09-28T00:08:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FayssalF-2006-09-27T13:43:00.000Z-Chidom-2006-09-28T00:08:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> - Good call but as per Yath, it is not the commonly used naming. Refer <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NC(CN)" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NC(CN)">WP:NC(CN)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(places)" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Naming conventions (places)">Wikipedia:Naming conventions (places)</a>. -- <i><a href="/wiki/User:FayssalF" title="User:FayssalF">Szvest</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-FayssalF-2006-09-27T13:43:00.000Z-Chidom-2006-09-28T00:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FayssalF-2006-09-27T13:43:00.000Z-Chidom-2006-09-28T00:08:00.000Z"></span></i><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FayssalF-2006-09-27T13:43:00.000Z-Chidom-2006-09-28T00:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dbinder-2006-09-27T14:35:00.000Z-Chidom-2006-09-28T00:08:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> - I agree with Yath. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dbinder&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dbinder (page does not exist)">Dbinder</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dbinder&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Dbinder (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Dbinder-2006-09-27T14:35:00.000Z-Chidom-2006-09-28T00:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dbinder-2006-09-27T14:35:00.000Z-Chidom-2006-09-28T00:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dbinder-2006-09-27T14:35:00.000Z-Chidom-2006-09-28T00:08:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="geographic_map_with_names" data-mw-thread-id="h-geographic_map_with_names-2007-03-15T09:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-geographic_map_with_names-2007-03-15T09:19:00.000Z"></span>geographic map with names<span data-mw-comment-end="h-geographic_map_with_names-2007-03-15T09:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: geographic map with names"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MiG-2007-03-15T09:19:00.000Z-geographic_map_with_names"></span>Although I like the individual maps drawn for each nation in their respective articles, I think this regional article will improve if it includes a map that identifies the different nations and their names. Possibilities: a drawn map with text in the image, or one of those interactive things which I think use javascript to turn picture regions into clickable objects. I've seen one of these on WP before, I just can't remember where. <small>—The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/wiki/User:MiG" title="User:MiG">MiG</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MiG" title="User talk:MiG">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MiG" title="Special:Contributions/MiG">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-MiG-2007-03-15T09:19:00.000Z-geographic_map_with_names" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)</a>.</small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MiG-2007-03-15T09:19:00.000Z-geographic_map_with_names"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MiG-2007-03-15T09:19:00.000Z-geographic_map_with_names"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deneb79cygLass-2019-03-24T14:28:00.000Z-geographic_map_with_names"></span>Why are there only 16 countries listed as the West African countries? ? At least 1 is missing, Biafra. What happened to the listing of the Republic of Biafra and the history of the Nigerian civil war that resulted in Biafra's nationhood?? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Deneb79cygLass&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Deneb79cygLass (page does not exist)">Deneb79cygLass</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deneb79cygLass" title="User talk:Deneb79cygLass">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Deneb79cygLass-2019-03-24T14:28:00.000Z-geographic_map_with_names" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 24 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deneb79cygLass-2019-03-24T14:28:00.000Z-geographic_map_with_names"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deneb79cygLass-2019-03-24T14:28:00.000Z-geographic_map_with_names"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="West_Africa's_Economy?" data-mw-thread-id="h-West_Africa's_Economy?-2007-05-04T14:28:00.000Z"><span id="West_Africa.27s_Economy.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-West_Africa's_Economy?-2007-05-04T14:28:00.000Z"></span>West Africa's Economy?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-West_Africa's_Economy?-2007-05-04T14:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: West Africa's Economy?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.249.194.134-2007-05-04T14:28:00.000Z-West_Africa's_Economy?"></span>I'm doing a project at school and I need to know about West Africa's economy......do any of you know some facts? If you do , PLEASE write...I need to get this project in by today!!!! <small>—The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.249.194.134" title="Special:Contributions/24.249.194.134">24.249.194.134</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:24.249.194.134&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:24.249.194.134 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-24.249.194.134-2007-05-04T14:28:00.000Z-West_Africa's_Economy?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)</a>.</small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.249.194.134-2007-05-04T14:28:00.000Z-West_Africa's_Economy?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.249.194.134-2007-05-04T14:28:00.000Z-West_Africa's_Economy?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mahmud_II-2007-05-28T23:16:00.000Z-West_Africa's_Economy?"></span>^There really should be a section here on economy.<a href="/wiki/User:Mahmud_II" title="User:Mahmud II">Mahmud II</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Mahmud_II-2007-05-28T23:16:00.000Z-West_Africa's_Economy?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:16, 28 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mahmud_II-2007-05-28T23:16:00.000Z-West_Africa's_Economy?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mahmud_II-2007-05-28T23:16:00.000Z-West_Africa's_Economy?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="==References==" data-mw-thread-id="h-==References==-2007-11-30T05:41:00.000Z"><span id=".3D.3DReferences.3D.3D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-==References==-2007-11-30T05:41:00.000Z"></span>==References==<span data-mw-comment-end="h-==References==-2007-11-30T05:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: ==References=="><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-70.74.35.144-2007-11-30T05:41:00.000Z-==References=="></span>Please cleanup ==References== because the 1st note is not a reference.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.74.35.144" title="Special:Contributions/70.74.35.144">70.74.35.144</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:70.74.35.144" title="User talk:70.74.35.144">talk</a>) 05:41, 30 November 2007 (UTC) nice all information <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/124.124.0.1" title="Special:Contributions/124.124.0.1">124.124.0.1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:124.124.0.1" title="User talk:124.124.0.1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-70.74.35.144-2007-11-30T05:41:00.000Z-==References==" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-70.74.35.144-2007-11-30T05:41:00.000Z-==References=="><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-70.74.35.144-2007-11-30T05:41:00.000Z-==References=="></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamsier-2011-11-05T13:32:00.000Z-==References=="></span>Sorry for coming in late. Just saw this article but I totally agree with you. I cannot believe after four years now no body has taken the liberty to cite sources. I've added this article to my watchlist and I'll find some reliable sources after my I've finished another article I'm trying to clean up. People please use inline citations. This is not professional.</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Tamsier" title="User:Tamsier">Tamsier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamsier" title="User talk:Tamsier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Tamsier-2011-11-05T13:32:00.000Z-==References==" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 5 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamsier-2011-11-05T13:32:00.000Z-==References=="><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamsier-2011-11-05T13:32:00.000Z-==References=="></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Religion_section" data-mw-thread-id="h-Religion_section-2009-12-30T05:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Religion_section-2009-12-30T05:50:00.000Z"></span>Religion section<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Religion_section-2009-12-30T05:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Religion section"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Midtempo-abg-2009-12-30T05:50:00.000Z-Religion_section"></span>In the Culture > Religion section of the article, the second paragraph of that section currently reads: </p> <blockquote><p>Along with historic migrations, these religions have culturally linked the peoples of West Africa more than those in other parts of Sub-Saharan Africa. Traditionally, <b>musical and oral history as conve= The game Oware is</b> quite popular in many parts of West Africa. Soccer is also a pastime enjoyed by many, either spectating or playing. The national teams of some West African nations, especially Nigeria, Ghana and the Ivory Coast, regularly qualify for the World Cup.</p></blockquote> <p>I'm not sure what the bolded section (my modification) is supposed to be saying with the "conve=" business. I don't have the inclination or experience to go through the history of the page and to revert it to its non-messed up state, but could someone fix it? I can't even understand what they were trying to say. <a href="/wiki/User:Midtempo-abg" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Midtempo-abg">Midtempo-abg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Midtempo-abg" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Midtempo-abg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Midtempo-abg-2009-12-30T05:50:00.000Z-Religion_section" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:50, 30 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Midtempo-abg-2009-12-30T05:50:00.000Z-Religion_section"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Midtempo-abg-2009-12-30T05:50:00.000Z-Religion_section"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LB2Accra-2014-07-05T13:09:00.000Z-Religion_section"></span>In the Religion > Islam section of the article, the first sentence parenthetically avers that 70% of West Africans are Muslim. In fact, by perusing the CIA World Factbook (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/cm.html">https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/cm.html</a>), of the 16 countries that are included in this article's definition of "West Africa", only 53.0% of the population is Muslim. Even including the West Saharan countries of Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, and Western Sahara, the Muslim proportion of the population only increases to 64.8%. This cited parenthetical needs to be deleted, which I would do except that I'm a noob and am unsure of how far I may go. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LB2Accra&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LB2Accra (page does not exist)">LB2Accra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LB2Accra" title="User talk:LB2Accra">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/LB2Accra" title="Special:Contributions/LB2Accra">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-LB2Accra-2014-07-05T13:09:00.000Z-Religion_section" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:09, 5 July 2014 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LB2Accra-2014-07-05T13:09:00.000Z-Religion_section"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LB2Accra-2014-07-05T13:09:00.000Z-Religion_section"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Climate" data-mw-thread-id="h-Climate-2011-10-23T17:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Climate-2011-10-23T17:40:00.000Z"></span>Climate<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Climate-2011-10-23T17:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Climate"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.98.147.80-2011-10-23T17:40:00.000Z-Climate"></span>I notice that there is no climate description of the southern portion of the region. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.98.147.80" title="Special:Contributions/24.98.147.80">24.98.147.80</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:24.98.147.80&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:24.98.147.80 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-24.98.147.80-2011-10-23T17:40:00.000Z-Climate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 23 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.98.147.80-2011-10-23T17:40:00.000Z-Climate"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.98.147.80-2011-10-23T17:40:00.000Z-Climate"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_is_religion_under_culture?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_is_religion_under_culture?-2011-11-05T13:42:00.000Z"><span id="Why_is_religion_under_culture.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_is_religion_under_culture?-2011-11-05T13:42:00.000Z"></span>Why is religion under culture?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_is_religion_under_culture?-2011-11-05T13:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Why is religion under culture?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamsier-2011-11-05T13:42:00.000Z-Why_is_religion_under_culture?"></span>Not only is this article poorly sourced, it needs to seperate religion and culture so the reader can easily navigate to the relevant section. I've added this to my list of articles to clean up. Please provide inline citations. People are just writing anything without providing sources. <a href="/wiki/User:Tamsier" title="User:Tamsier">Tamsier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamsier" title="User talk:Tamsier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Tamsier-2011-11-05T13:42:00.000Z-Why_is_religion_under_culture?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 5 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamsier-2011-11-05T13:42:00.000Z-Why_is_religion_under_culture?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamsier-2011-11-05T13:42:00.000Z-Why_is_religion_under_culture?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paul_Barlow-2011-11-05T16:49:00.000Z-Tamsier-2011-11-05T13:42:00.000Z"></span>There's nothing wrong with placing religion under "culture". It comes under the definition of culture in the broad sense. Of course, if the section is expanded it can be separated. <a href="/wiki/User:Paul_Barlow" title="User:Paul Barlow">Paul B</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paul_Barlow" title="User talk:Paul Barlow">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Paul_Barlow-2011-11-05T16:49:00.000Z-Tamsier-2011-11-05T13:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 5 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paul_Barlow-2011-11-05T16:49:00.000Z-Tamsier-2011-11-05T13:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paul_Barlow-2011-11-05T16:49:00.000Z-Tamsier-2011-11-05T13:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Halaqah-2011-11-18T13:26:00.000Z-Paul_Barlow-2011-11-05T16:49:00.000Z"></span>While there is a relationship between culture and religion I think they are separate things from an encyclopedic perspective. Culture deals with human tradition, Religion deals with divinity. But already we have dedicated articles for Africa so we can stub these sections. And when we "represent" we go with demographics. So in Traditional African Religions Vodun is the majority, so we go with those images (if any at all). --<a href="/wiki/User:Halaqah" title="User:Halaqah">Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Halaqah" title="User talk:Halaqah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Halaqah-2011-11-18T13:26:00.000Z-Paul_Barlow-2011-11-05T16:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 18 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Halaqah-2011-11-18T13:26:00.000Z-Paul_Barlow-2011-11-05T16:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Halaqah-2011-11-18T13:26:00.000Z-Paul_Barlow-2011-11-05T16:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ghana_Empire?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ghana_Empire?-2012-02-07T23:49:00.000Z"><span id="Ghana_Empire.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ghana_Empire?-2012-02-07T23:49:00.000Z"></span>Ghana Empire?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ghana_Empire?-2012-02-07T23:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Ghana Empire?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-86.43.210.220-2012-02-07T23:49:00.000Z-Ghana_Empire?"></span>This article says "the Ghana Empire... first flourished between the 1st-3rd centuries which later gave way to the Mali empire", however the article on the Ghana Empire says it existed from c. 830 - c. 1235. Is this just a mistake or am I getting something wrong? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.43.210.220" title="Special:Contributions/86.43.210.220">86.43.210.220</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:86.43.210.220" title="User talk:86.43.210.220">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-86.43.210.220-2012-02-07T23:49:00.000Z-Ghana_Empire?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 7 February 2012 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-86.43.210.220-2012-02-07T23:49:00.000Z-Ghana_Empire?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-86.43.210.220-2012-02-07T23:49:00.000Z-Ghana_Empire?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamsier-2012-04-12T14:09:00.000Z-Ghana_Empire?"></span>Both are wrong. It florished from <a href="/wiki/Circa" class="mw-disambig" title="Circa">c</a>. 750 (the 8th century), but probably started during or just after the reign of Kaya Magan ( reigned probably around c. 350) - ruler of the <a href="/wiki/Kingdom_of_Wagadou" class="mw-redirect" title="Kingdom of Wagadou">Kingdom of Wagadou</a>. Both <a href="/wiki/Soninke_people" title="Soninke people">Sonike</a> and <a href="/wiki/Serer_people" title="Serer people">Serer</a> tradition preserve his legacy because his female descendants were married off to the Serer royal families (see <a href="/wiki/Joof_family" title="Joof family">Joof family</a>) and were known in Serer language as the <i>Bagadou</i> maternal clans (<i>Wagadou</i> maternal clan - Soninke). I think there is a an article in French Wikipedia called the Kingdom of Wagadou but not in English Wiki. When I am free I'll find that article and translate it to English.</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Source: <a href="/wiki/Henry_Gravrand" title="Henry Gravrand">Gravrand, Henry</a>, "La civilisation Sereer, <i>Cosaan : les origines</i>", Nouvelles Editions africaines, 1983, pp 75-76, <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/2723608778" title="Special:BookSources/2723608778">2723608778</a>. See also <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=A0XNvklcqbwC&pg=PA103&dq=ghana+empire+750&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rt-GT_miK4nZ8AO-utnKBw&ved=0CGsQuwUwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false">Appiah, Anthony, Gates, Henry Louis, "Encyclopedia of Africa", Volume 1, p 103</a></dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Tamsier" title="User:Tamsier">Tamsier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamsier" title="User talk:Tamsier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Tamsier-2012-04-12T14:09:00.000Z-Ghana_Empire?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 12 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamsier-2012-04-12T14:09:00.000Z-Ghana_Empire?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamsier-2012-04-12T14:09:00.000Z-Ghana_Empire?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Suggestion_for_how_to_improve_this_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suggestion_for_how_to_improve_this_article-2012-02-28T22:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suggestion_for_how_to_improve_this_article-2012-02-28T22:16:00.000Z"></span>Suggestion for how to improve this article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suggestion_for_how_to_improve_this_article-2012-02-28T22:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Suggestion for how to improve this article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ACEOREVIVED-2012-02-28T22:16:00.000Z-Suggestion_for_how_to_improve_this_article"></span>Wouldn't it be better if this article had a list of countries in West Africa at the top of the article, before the list of flags? <a href="/wiki/User:ACEOREVIVED" title="User:ACEOREVIVED">ACEOREVIVED</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ACEOREVIVED" title="User talk:ACEOREVIVED">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-ACEOREVIVED-2012-02-28T22:16:00.000Z-Suggestion_for_how_to_improve_this_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:16, 28 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ACEOREVIVED-2012-02-28T22:16:00.000Z-Suggestion_for_how_to_improve_this_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ACEOREVIVED-2012-02-28T22:16:00.000Z-Suggestion_for_how_to_improve_this_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moyogo-2012-02-29T00:21:00.000Z-ACEOREVIVED-2012-02-28T22:16:00.000Z"></span>Yes, that list is primarly a list of countries. Flags a just eye candy. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Africa&action=historysubmit&diff=479387312&oldid=478612806">I changed</a> the title of the section to "Countires of West Africa". --<a href="/wiki/User:Moyogo" title="User:Moyogo">Moyogo</a>/ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moyogo" title="User talk:Moyogo">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Moyogo-2012-02-29T00:21:00.000Z-ACEOREVIVED-2012-02-28T22:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:21, 29 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moyogo-2012-02-29T00:21:00.000Z-ACEOREVIVED-2012-02-28T22:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moyogo-2012-02-29T00:21:00.000Z-ACEOREVIVED-2012-02-28T22:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamsier-2012-03-02T17:21:00.000Z-ACEOREVIVED-2012-02-28T22:16:00.000Z"></span>Most of my time on this article was devoted to adding sources and there is still a problem with sourcing, especially History, one of the most important sections in this article. Some of the accounts there not only lack sources, but they are rather suspect hence I tagged it. Also why is there more content on slavery and colonialism than empires, etc? Why write a book about slavery when there are several articles about slavery? They should be stubbed. <a href="/wiki/User:Tamsier" title="User:Tamsier">Tamsier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamsier" title="User talk:Tamsier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Tamsier-2012-03-02T17:21:00.000Z-ACEOREVIVED-2012-02-28T22:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 2 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamsier-2012-03-02T17:21:00.000Z-ACEOREVIVED-2012-02-28T22:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamsier-2012-03-02T17:21:00.000Z-ACEOREVIVED-2012-02-28T22:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamsier-2012-04-12T13:22:00.000Z-Suggestion_for_how_to_improve_this_article"></span>I've stubbed slavery and contact with Europe and added a link to the main article <a href="/wiki/Atlantic_Slave_Trade" class="mw-redirect" title="Atlantic Slave Trade">Atlantic Slave Trade</a>.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Tamsier" title="User:Tamsier">Tamsier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamsier" title="User talk:Tamsier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Tamsier-2012-04-12T13:22:00.000Z-Suggestion_for_how_to_improve_this_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:22, 12 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamsier-2012-04-12T13:22:00.000Z-Suggestion_for_how_to_improve_this_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamsier-2012-04-12T13:22:00.000Z-Suggestion_for_how_to_improve_this_article"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Islam" data-mw-thread-id="h-Islam-2012-03-02T19:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Islam-2012-03-02T19:39:00.000Z"></span>Islam<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Islam-2012-03-02T19:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Islam"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamsier-2012-03-02T19:39:00.000Z-Islam"></span>The IP <a href="/wiki/User_talk:61.125.110.161" title="User talk:61.125.110.161">61.125.110.161</a> has added a lot of content using one reference that was here since last year. David Robinson's <i>Muslim Societies in African History</i> was cited last year by Halaqah <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Africa&diff=next&oldid=461272402">[1]</a> when we were editing the article and that ref supports the following: </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Islam" title="Islam">Islam</a> is the predominant <a href="/wiki/Religion" title="Religion">religion</a> of the West African interior and the far west coast of the continent.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>Yet you've added all this and moved down Halaqah's source to support your edits<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Africa&diff=next&oldid=474776836">[2]</a>; <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Africa&diff=next&oldid=474786051">[3]</a>; <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Africa&diff=next&oldid=474786113">[4]</a>; <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Africa&diff=next&oldid=474786818">[5]</a>; <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Africa&diff=next&oldid=474787424">[6]</a>; <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Africa&diff=next&oldid=474787462">[7]</a>; <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Africa&diff=next&oldid=474787787">[8]</a>: </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>(<a href="/wiki/Senegal" title="Senegal">Senegal</a>, <a href="/wiki/Gambia" class="mw-redirect" title="Gambia">Gambia</a>, <a href="/wiki/Guinea" title="Guinea">Guinea</a>, <a href="/wiki/Sierra_Leone" title="Sierra Leone">Sierra Leone</a>, <a href="/wiki/Mali" title="Mali">Mali</a>, <a href="/wiki/Burkina_Faso" title="Burkina Faso">Burkina Faso</a>, <a href="/wiki/Mauritania" title="Mauritania">Mauritania</a>, <a href="/wiki/Niger" title="Niger">Niger</a>, the northern halves of <a href="/wiki/Cote_d%27Ivoire" class="mw-redirect" title="Cote d'Ivoire">Cote d'Ivoire</a>, <a href="/wiki/Ghana" title="Ghana">Ghana</a>, <a href="/wiki/Togo" title="Togo">Togo</a>, <a href="/wiki/Benin" title="Benin">Benin</a>, <a href="/wiki/Nigeria" title="Nigeria">Nigeria</a> and <a href="/wiki/Cameroon" title="Cameroon">Cameroon</a>). It is occasionally mixed with traditional West African religions and beliefs. The religion was adopted by the aristocracy of medieval kingdoms such as <a href="/wiki/Tekrur" class="mw-redirect" title="Tekrur">Tekrur</a>, <a href="/wiki/Ancient_Ghana" class="mw-redirect" title="Ancient Ghana">Ancient Ghana</a>, <a href="/wiki/Mali_empire" class="mw-redirect" title="Mali empire">Mali</a>, <a href="/wiki/Kanem_Borno" class="mw-redirect" title="Kanem Borno">Kanem Borno</a> and <a href="/wiki/Songhay" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Songhay">Songhay</a> from the <a href="/wiki/11th_century" title="11th century">11th century</a>, and spread along the main trade routes by <a href="/wiki/Wangara" class="mw-disambig" title="Wangara">Wangara</a> <a href="/wiki/Soninke" class="mw-disambig" title="Soninke">Soninke</a>, <a href="/wiki/Kanem" class="mw-disambig" title="Kanem">Kanem</a>, <a href="/wiki/Dyula" class="mw-disambig" title="Dyula">Dyula</a> and <a href="/wiki/Fula" class="mw-disambig" title="Fula">Fula</a> traders, from <a href="/wiki/Senegambia" title="Senegambia">Senegambia</a>, <a href="/wiki/Lake_Chad" title="Lake Chad">Lake Chad</a>, <a href="/wiki/Djenne" class="mw-redirect" title="Djenne">Djenne</a> and <a href="/wiki/Timbuktu" title="Timbuktu">Timbuktu</a> to <a href="/wiki/Kano" class="mw-disambig" title="Kano">Kano</a>, <a href="/wiki/Maiduguri" title="Maiduguri">Maiduguri</a>, <a href="/wiki/Begho" title="Begho">Begho</a>, <a href="/wiki/Kankan" title="Kankan">Kankan</a> and <a href="/wiki/Bonduku" class="mw-redirect" title="Bonduku">Bonduku</a>. It was also spread over several centuries across the stretches of the <a href="/wiki/Niger_river" class="mw-redirect" title="Niger river">Niger river</a>. The last major West African groups to convert to Islam were the <a href="/wiki/Bambara" class="mw-disambig" title="Bambara">Bambara</a> of southern Mali and <a href="/wiki/Mossi" class="mw-disambig" title="Mossi">Mossi</a> of south eastern <a href="/wiki/Burkina_Faso" title="Burkina Faso">Burkina Faso</a> in the early 19th century.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>I have reverted that section back to Halaqah's version back in Novemeber (which was the same until your recent edits). Please add them back when you have sources to support your edits. It you are quoting Robinson please provide a page no. (it is a book rather than a thesis). Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Tamsier" title="User:Tamsier">Tamsier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamsier" title="User talk:Tamsier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Tamsier-2012-03-02T19:39:00.000Z-Islam" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:39, 2 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamsier-2012-03-02T19:39:00.000Z-Islam"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamsier-2012-03-02T19:39:00.000Z-Islam"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamsier-2012-04-22T23:32:00.000Z-Tamsier-2012-03-02T19:39:00.000Z"></span>EDIT: The new IP (61.115.158.28) is doing the same. Also, Islam should be stubbed like the other religions. We don't need a book especially when there is already a main article linked to the relevant section (Islam).<a href="/wiki/User:Tamsier" title="User:Tamsier">Tamsier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamsier" title="User talk:Tamsier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Tamsier-2012-04-22T23:32:00.000Z-Tamsier-2012-03-02T19:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 22 April 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamsier-2012-04-22T23:32:00.000Z-Tamsier-2012-03-02T19:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamsier-2012-04-22T23:32:00.000Z-Tamsier-2012-03-02T19:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1232521257">.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk{margin:auto 0;border:1px dashed var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:4px;padding-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk-title{font-weight:bold}</style><div class="reflist-talk"> <p class="reflist-talk-title">References</p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-1">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><i>Muslim Societies in African History (New Approaches to African History)</i>, David Robinson, Chapter 1.</span> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wow!_Really!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wow!_Really!-2012-03-22T23:50:00.000Z"><span id="Wow.21_Really.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wow!_Really!-2012-03-22T23:50:00.000Z"></span>Wow! Really!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wow!_Really!-2012-03-22T23:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Wow! Really!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThisguyYEAH-2012-03-22T23:50:00.000Z-Wow!_Really!"></span>There is not a single mention of <a href="/wiki/Nature" title="Nature">nature</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Environment_(biophysical)" class="mw-redirect" title="Environment (biophysical)">environment</a>, <a href="/wiki/Deforestation" title="Deforestation">deforestation</a> and any other <a href="/wiki/Environmental_issue" class="mw-redirect" title="Environmental issue">environmental issue</a>. There is no mention of the <a href="/wiki/Rain_forest" class="mw-redirect" title="Rain forest">rain forest</a> nor biodiversity either! Deforestation and poaching are worse in West Africa than any where else! <a href="/wiki/Deforestation_in_Nigeria" title="Deforestation in Nigeria">Nigeria</a> has the only article on this that I know of the region...<a href="/wiki/User:ThisguyYEAH" title="User:ThisguyYEAH">ThisguyYEAH</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ThisguyYEAH" title="User talk:ThisguyYEAH">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-ThisguyYEAH-2012-03-22T23:50:00.000Z-Wow!_Really!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:50, 22 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThisguyYEAH-2012-03-22T23:50:00.000Z-Wow!_Really!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThisguyYEAH-2012-03-22T23:50:00.000Z-Wow!_Really!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamsier-2012-05-05T02:57:00.000Z-ThisguyYEAH-2012-03-22T23:50:00.000Z"></span>You are right. That should be covered. At the very least a paragraph or two.<a href="/wiki/User:Tamsier" title="User:Tamsier">Tamsier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamsier" title="User talk:Tamsier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Tamsier-2012-05-05T02:57:00.000Z-ThisguyYEAH-2012-03-22T23:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:57, 5 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamsier-2012-05-05T02:57:00.000Z-ThisguyYEAH-2012-03-22T23:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamsier-2012-05-05T02:57:00.000Z-ThisguyYEAH-2012-03-22T23:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamsier-2019-04-02T10:30:00.000Z-Tamsier-2012-05-05T02:57:00.000Z"></span>Done!<a href="/wiki/User:Tamsier" title="User:Tamsier">Tamsier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamsier" title="User talk:Tamsier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Tamsier-2019-04-02T10:30:00.000Z-Tamsier-2012-05-05T02:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:30, 2 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamsier-2019-04-02T10:30:00.000Z-Tamsier-2012-05-05T02:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamsier-2019-04-02T10:30:00.000Z-Tamsier-2012-05-05T02:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Meanwhile,_south_of_the_Sudan,_strong_city_states_arose_in_Igboland..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Meanwhile,_south_of_the_Sudan,_strong_city_states_arose_in_Igboland...-2012-05-05T02:03:00.000Z"><span id="Meanwhile.2C_south_of_the_Sudan.2C_strong_city_states_arose_in_Igboland..."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Meanwhile,_south_of_the_Sudan,_strong_city_states_arose_in_Igboland...-2012-05-05T02:03:00.000Z"></span>Meanwhile, south of the Sudan, strong city states arose in Igboland...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Meanwhile,_south_of_the_Sudan,_strong_city_states_arose_in_Igboland...-2012-05-05T02:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Meanwhile, south of the Sudan, strong city states arose in Igboland..."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SRHsrh-2012-05-05T02:03:00.000Z-Meanwhile,_south_of_the_Sudan,_strong_city_states_arose_in_Igboland..."></span>Could you please explain this reference? I was not aware of a Sudan in West Africa. Thanks.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SRHsrh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SRHsrh (page does not exist)">SRHsrh</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SRHsrh&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:SRHsrh (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-SRHsrh-2012-05-05T02:03:00.000Z-Meanwhile,_south_of_the_Sudan,_strong_city_states_arose_in_Igboland..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:03, 5 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SRHsrh-2012-05-05T02:03:00.000Z-Meanwhile,_south_of_the_Sudan,_strong_city_states_arose_in_Igboland..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SRHsrh-2012-05-05T02:03:00.000Z-Meanwhile,_south_of_the_Sudan,_strong_city_states_arose_in_Igboland..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamsier-2012-05-05T02:47:00.000Z-SRHsrh-2012-05-05T02:03:00.000Z"></span>I think you are quoting the last paragraph under "Empires". As far as I am concerned, the whole history section, to which "Empires" is a subsection of, lack sources. That's why I tagged it until I am free to add reliable sources. However as regards to your question, I think that passage is referring to "Sudan" in historical terms (<i>the <a href="/wiki/Western_Sudan" class="mw-redirect" title="Western Sudan">Western Sudan</a></i>).<a href="/wiki/User:Tamsier" title="User:Tamsier">Tamsier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamsier" title="User talk:Tamsier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Tamsier-2012-05-05T02:47:00.000Z-SRHsrh-2012-05-05T02:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:47, 5 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamsier-2012-05-05T02:47:00.000Z-SRHsrh-2012-05-05T02:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamsier-2012-05-05T02:47:00.000Z-SRHsrh-2012-05-05T02:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Islam!_IP_at_it_again._Do_you_trust_this_section?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Islam!_IP_at_it_again._Do_you_trust_this_section?-2012-07-06T23:13:00.000Z"><span id="Islam.21_IP_at_it_again._Do_you_trust_this_section.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Islam!_IP_at_it_again._Do_you_trust_this_section?-2012-07-06T23:13:00.000Z"></span>Islam! IP at it again. Do you trust this section?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Islam!_IP_at_it_again._Do_you_trust_this_section?-2012-07-06T23:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Islam! IP at it again. Do you trust this section?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamsier-2012-07-06T23:13:00.000Z-Islam!_IP_at_it_again._Do_you_trust_this_section?"></span>The IP (this time : 61.125.110.142) is back at it again on the Islam section : <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Africa&diff=next&oldid=500895472">here</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Africa&diff=next&oldid=500975978">here</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Africa&diff=next&oldid=500976922">here</a> (also see discussion above<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#Islam">Islam</a>). I am begining to get tired of this POV. If you have reliable sources that support your claim, bring to the talk page for others to evaluate it, otherwise leave the article alone. There is also a main article <a href="/wiki/Islam_in_Africa" title="Islam in Africa">Islam in Africa</a>. This section should only be a stub. I am removing the synthesis and propaganda. Mali or Nigeria does not equal West Africa (they are countries within in). Do not mix different sources to make a comment that none has expressedly stated. That is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research" title="Wikipedia:No original research">original research</a>. I am putting that section back to the last version by <a href="/wiki/User:FrescoBot" title="User:FrescoBot">User:FrescoBot</a> (see link above). If this continues you will be reported. I have been patient for a long time, but do not use this article to advance your POV.<a href="/wiki/User:Tamsier" title="User:Tamsier">Tamsier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamsier" title="User talk:Tamsier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Tamsier-2012-07-06T23:13:00.000Z-Islam!_IP_at_it_again._Do_you_trust_this_section?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:13, 6 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamsier-2012-07-06T23:13:00.000Z-Islam!_IP_at_it_again._Do_you_trust_this_section?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamsier-2012-07-06T23:13:00.000Z-Islam!_IP_at_it_again._Do_you_trust_this_section?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="West_Africa_Editing" data-mw-thread-id="h-West_Africa_Editing-2013-10-22T16:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-West_Africa_Editing-2013-10-22T16:34:00.000Z"></span>West Africa Editing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-West_Africa_Editing-2013-10-22T16:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: West Africa Editing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rarity0701-2013-10-22T16:34:00.000Z-West_Africa_Editing"></span>HI Briansmithson your article is good but i reccomend u have at least 6 paragraphs after like 8 it starts to get boring so try my idea thank you <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rarity0701&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rarity0701 (page does not exist)">Rarity0701</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rarity0701" title="User talk:Rarity0701">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rarity0701" title="Special:Contributions/Rarity0701">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Rarity0701-2013-10-22T16:34:00.000Z-West_Africa_Editing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 22 October 2013 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rarity0701-2013-10-22T16:34:00.000Z-West_Africa_Editing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rarity0701-2013-10-22T16:34:00.000Z-West_Africa_Editing"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Goddamn,_what_happened?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Goddamn,_what_happened?-2014-08-05T08:46:00.000Z"><span id="Goddamn.2C_what_happened.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Goddamn,_what_happened?-2014-08-05T08:46:00.000Z"></span>Goddamn, what happened?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Goddamn,_what_happened?-2014-08-05T08:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Goddamn, what happened?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SpaceorangeX5-2014-08-05T08:46:00.000Z-Goddamn,_what_happened?"></span>Is it just me. or is this article strange all of a sudden? I mean that flag, new (and <b>huge</b>) images, an weird map and un-sourced material, and more. Anyone care to tell me what happened, or what's changed? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SpaceorangeX5&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SpaceorangeX5 (page does not exist)">SpaceorangeX5</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SpaceorangeX5" title="User talk:SpaceorangeX5">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-SpaceorangeX5-2014-08-05T08:46:00.000Z-Goddamn,_what_happened?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:46, 5 August 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SpaceorangeX5-2014-08-05T08:46:00.000Z-Goddamn,_what_happened?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SpaceorangeX5-2014-08-05T08:46:00.000Z-Goddamn,_what_happened?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="EVEN_is_the_same_not_different_therefore_......." data-mw-thread-id="h-EVEN_is_the_same_not_different_therefore_.......-2014-09-20T02:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-EVEN_is_the_same_not_different_therefore_.......-2014-09-20T02:04:00.000Z"></span>EVEN is the same not different therefore .......<span data-mw-comment-end="h-EVEN_is_the_same_not_different_therefore_.......-2014-09-20T02:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: EVEN is the same not different therefore ......."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-66.74.176.59-2014-09-20T02:04:00.000Z-EVEN_is_the_same_not_different_therefore_......."></span>"EVEN ahead of the <a href="/wiki/Cinema_of_the_United_States" title="Cinema of the United States">American film industry</a>" </p><p>If the purpose of selecting the word EVEN is to show that it is more than another may work in your mind but does not work in logic that is called grammar and composition.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/66.74.176.59" title="Special:Contributions/66.74.176.59">66.74.176.59</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:66.74.176.59" title="User talk:66.74.176.59">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-66.74.176.59-2014-09-20T02:04:00.000Z-EVEN_is_the_same_not_different_therefore_......." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-66.74.176.59-2014-09-20T02:04:00.000Z-EVEN_is_the_same_not_different_therefore_......."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-66.74.176.59-2014-09-20T02:04:00.000Z-EVEN_is_the_same_not_different_therefore_......."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="External_links_modified" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified-2017-12-23T04:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links_modified-2017-12-23T04:45:00.000Z"></span>External links modified<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links_modified-2017-12-23T04:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: External links modified"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-InternetArchiveBot-2017-12-23T04:45:00.000Z-External_links_modified"></span>Hello fellow Wikipedians, </p><p>I have just modified 2 external links on <a href="/wiki/West_Africa" title="West Africa">West Africa</a>. 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What happened to the history regregarding Nigeria's Civil War in the 60's, resulting in this cession??? And who will write it in? </p><p><a class="external free" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biafra">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biafra</a> Please see the history on the Republic of Biafra at the link above. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Deneb79cygLass&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Deneb79cygLass (page does not exist)">Deneb79cygLass</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deneb79cygLass" title="User talk:Deneb79cygLass">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Deneb79cygLass-2019-03-24T08:56:00.000Z-Why_are_there_only_16_countries_listed?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:56, 24 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deneb79cygLass-2019-03-24T08:56:00.000Z-Why_are_there_only_16_countries_listed?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deneb79cygLass-2019-03-24T08:56:00.000Z-Why_are_there_only_16_countries_listed?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-El_C-2019-03-24T09:00:00.000Z-Deneb79cygLass-2019-03-24T08:56:00.000Z"></span>Only <i>existing</i> countries are listed. <a href="/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-El_C-2019-03-24T09:00:00.000Z-Deneb79cygLass-2019-03-24T08:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:00, 24 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-El_C-2019-03-24T09:00:00.000Z-Deneb79cygLass-2019-03-24T08:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-El_C-2019-03-24T09:00:00.000Z-Deneb79cygLass-2019-03-24T08:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="United_Kingdom_Overseas_Territory" data-mw-thread-id="h-United_Kingdom_Overseas_Territory-2020-04-27T00:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-United_Kingdom_Overseas_Territory-2020-04-27T00:48:00.000Z"></span>United Kingdom Overseas Territory<span data-mw-comment-end="h-United_Kingdom_Overseas_Territory-2020-04-27T00:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: United Kingdom Overseas Territory"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kdammers-2020-04-27T00:48:00.000Z-United_Kingdom_Overseas_Territory"></span>Shoud this be "United Kingdom Overseas Territories"? <a href="/wiki/User:Kdammers" title="User:Kdammers">Kdammers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kdammers" title="User talk:Kdammers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Kdammers-2020-04-27T00:48:00.000Z-United_Kingdom_Overseas_Territory" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 27 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kdammers-2020-04-27T00:48:00.000Z-United_Kingdom_Overseas_Territory"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kdammers-2020-04-27T00:48:00.000Z-United_Kingdom_Overseas_Territory"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rob984-2020-07-10T21:59:00.000Z-Kdammers-2020-04-27T00:48:00.000Z"></span>The three territories are organised as one *British Overseas Territory*. <a href="/wiki/User:Rob984" title="User:Rob984">Rob984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rob984" title="User talk:Rob984">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Rob984-2020-07-10T21:59:00.000Z-Kdammers-2020-04-27T00:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rob984-2020-07-10T21:59:00.000Z-Kdammers-2020-04-27T00:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rob984-2020-07-10T21:59:00.000Z-Kdammers-2020-04-27T00:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="St._Helena_and_others_are_questionable" data-mw-thread-id="h-St._Helena_and_others_are_questionable-2021-06-13T17:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-St._Helena_and_others_are_questionable-2021-06-13T17:28:00.000Z"></span>St. Helena and others are questionable<span data-mw-comment-end="h-St._Helena_and_others_are_questionable-2021-06-13T17:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: St. Helena and others are questionable"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gamle_Kvitrafn-2021-06-13T17:28:00.000Z-St._Helena_and_others_are_questionable"></span>I haven't found any sources listing the British Overseas Territories of St. Helena, Ascension, and Tristan da Cunha as being included in the category of "West Africa." I see the IMF apparently considered them as such in one document, but does anyone know of any others which could collaberate that claim? It sticks out like a sore thumb compared with every other country on the list.<a href="/wiki/User:Gamle_Kvitrafn" title="User:Gamle Kvitrafn">Gamle Kvitrafn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gamle_Kvitrafn" title="User talk:Gamle Kvitrafn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Gamle_Kvitrafn-2021-06-13T17:28:00.000Z-St._Helena_and_others_are_questionable" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 13 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gamle_Kvitrafn-2021-06-13T17:28:00.000Z-St._Helena_and_others_are_questionable"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gamle_Kvitrafn-2021-06-13T17:28:00.000Z-St._Helena_and_others_are_questionable"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gamle_Kvitrafn-2021-06-13T17:30:00.000Z-St._Helena_and_others_are_questionable"></span>Also, that Robinson citation appeared out of nowhere as soon as I posted and has nothing to do with my question. I didn't add it. <a href="/wiki/User:Gamle_Kvitrafn" title="User:Gamle Kvitrafn">Gamle Kvitrafn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gamle_Kvitrafn" title="User talk:Gamle Kvitrafn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Gamle_Kvitrafn-2021-06-13T17:30:00.000Z-St._Helena_and_others_are_questionable" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 13 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gamle_Kvitrafn-2021-06-13T17:30:00.000Z-St._Helena_and_others_are_questionable"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gamle_Kvitrafn-2021-06-13T17:30:00.000Z-St._Helena_and_others_are_questionable"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scu_ba-20240604013900-Gamle_Kvitrafn-2021-06-13T17:30:00.000Z"></span>The only source provided is a UN country code list from an archived website from 2009 which says St Helena (no mention of Ascension, and Tristan da Cunha) is grouped as part of "West Africa" I've never before heard of St Helena being characterized as part of Africa. <a href="/wiki/User:Scu_ba" title="User:Scu ba">Scu ba</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scu_ba" title="User talk:Scu ba">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Scu_ba-20240604013900-Gamle_Kvitrafn-2021-06-13T17:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scu_ba-20240604013900-Gamle_Kvitrafn-2021-06-13T17:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scu_ba-20240604013900-Gamle_Kvitrafn-2021-06-13T17:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Geography" data-mw-thread-id="h-Geography-20230214051900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Geography-20230214051900"></span>Geography<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Geography-20230214051900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Geography"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-102.89.41.243-20230214051900-Geography"></span>Write a short note on the top 5 plateaux that can be found in West Africa <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/102.89.41.243" title="Special:Contributions/102.89.41.243">102.89.41.243</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:102.89.41.243&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:102.89.41.243 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-102.89.41.243-20230214051900-Geography" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:19, 14 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-102.89.41.243-20230214051900-Geography"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-102.89.41.243-20230214051900-Geography"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Images" data-mw-thread-id="h-Images-20230829135700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Images-20230829135700"></span>Images<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Images-20230829135700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Images"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scope_creep-20230829135700-Images"></span>Could do with using the "multiple image" image gallery template to reduce the space used by the images. They are a bit of excessive. <b><span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus"><a href="/wiki/User:Scope_creep" title="User:Scope creep"><span style="color:#3399ff">scope_creep</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scope_creep#top" title="User talk:Scope creep">Talk</a></sup></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-Scope_creep-20230829135700-Images" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:57, 29 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scope_creep-20230829135700-Images"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scope_creep-20230829135700-Images"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="There_is_a_mistake_in_the_time_zones" data-mw-thread-id="h-There_is_a_mistake_in_the_time_zones-20230925231700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-There_is_a_mistake_in_the_time_zones-20230925231700"></span>There is a mistake in the time zones<span data-mw-comment-end="h-There_is_a_mistake_in_the_time_zones-20230925231700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:West_Africa&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: There is a mistake in the time zones"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-190.246.97.81-20230925231700-There_is_a_mistake_in_the_time_zones"></span>Hi, Cape Verde has minus 1 GMT... can anybody with expertise in editing infoboxes change it <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/190.246.97.81" title="Special:Contributions/190.246.97.81">190.246.97.81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:190.246.97.81" title="User talk:190.246.97.81">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:West_Africa#c-190.246.97.81-20230925231700-There_is_a_mistake_in_the_time_zones" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 25 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-190.246.97.81-20230925231700-There_is_a_mistake_in_the_time_zones"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-190.246.97.81-20230925231700-There_is_a_mistake_in_the_time_zones"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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