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id="toc-Question_from_Rakeshkrish_19_on_Heinrich_Klaasen_(13:48,_31_October_2024)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_from_Rakeshkrish_19_on_Heinrich_Klaasen_(13:48,_31_October_2024)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Question from Rakeshkrish 19 on Heinrich Klaasen (13:48, 31 October 2024)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question_from_Rakeshkrish_19_on_Heinrich_Klaasen_(13:48,_31_October_2024)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question_from_Hallowme_(15:02,_31_October_2024)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_from_Hallowme_(15:02,_31_October_2024)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Question from Hallowme (15:02, 31 October 2024)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question_from_Hallowme_(15:02,_31_October_2024)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_barnstar_for_you!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>A barnstar for you!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-A_barnstar_for_you!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Talk-psychology" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Talk-psychology"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Talk-psychology</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Talk-psychology-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-topic_ban?" 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class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_from_Robert_Justin_514_Gee!_(20:19,_1_November_2024)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Question from Robert Justin 514 Gee! (20:19, 1 November 2024)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Question_from_Robert_Justin_514_Gee!_(20:19,_1_November_2024)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Administrators'_newsletter_–_November_2024" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Administrators'_newsletter_–_November_2024"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Administrators' newsletter – November 2024</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Administrators'_newsletter_–_November_2024-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ban_appeal_by_Shahray" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ban_appeal_by_Shahray"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Ban appeal by Shahray</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Ban_appeal_by_Shahray-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-How_to_change_the_name_of_a_page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#How_to_change_the_name_of_a_page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>How to change the name of a page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-How_to_change_the_name_of_a_page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Happy_Wikiversary!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Happy_Wikiversary!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Happy Wikiversary!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Happy_Wikiversary!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-G11" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#G11"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>G11</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">18 comments</span> <ul id="toc-G11-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Why_can't_i_insert_an_infobox??" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Why_can't_i_insert_an_infobox??"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Why can't i insert an infobox??</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Why_can't_i_insert_an_infobox??-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question_from_TheSkillet_(22:54,_4_November_2024)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_from_TheSkillet_(22:54,_4_November_2024)"> <div 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href="#You_sure_about_declining_the_U5_on_what_has_now_been_moved_to_Draft:Emmanuel_Alexander_Onofua?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>You sure about declining the U5 on what has now been moved to Draft:Emmanuel Alexander Onofua?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">20 comments</span> <ul id="toc-You_sure_about_declining_the_U5_on_what_has_now_been_moved_to_Draft:Emmanuel_Alexander_Onofua?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Thank_you" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Thank_you"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Thank you</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Thank_you-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-How_to_Archive_conversations" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" 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<span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>User:MalakFayedEUI</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-User:MalakFayedEUI-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wild_Wing_close" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wild_Wing_close"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Wild Wing close</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Wild_Wing_close-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question_about_you_close" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_about_you_close"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Question about you close</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">20 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question_about_you_close-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question_from_24carly_(10:21,_10_November_2024)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_from_24carly_(10:21,_10_November_2024)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Question from 24carly (10:21, 10 November 2024)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question_from_24carly_(10:21,_10_November_2024)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-You_forgot_to_move_the_talk_page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#You_forgot_to_move_the_talk_page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>You forgot to move the talk page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-You_forgot_to_move_the_talk_page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Can_you_help?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Can_you_help?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>Can you help?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">10 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Can_you_help?-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Can you help? subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Can_you_help?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Minor_help_with_another_one" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Minor_help_with_another_one"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39.1</span> <span>Minor help with another one</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Minor_help_with_another_one-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-And_another_one" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#And_another_one"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39.2</span> <span>And another one</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-And_another_one-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-DRV" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#DRV"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>DRV</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-DRV-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Deletion_review_for_List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_Turkey" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Deletion_review_for_List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_Turkey"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>Deletion review for List of World War II weapons of Turkey</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Deletion_review_for_List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_Turkey-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Help_with_Draft_Revisit" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Help_with_Draft_Revisit"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>Help with Draft Revisit</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Help_with_Draft_Revisit-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Permission_removal" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Permission_removal"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Permission removal</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Permission_removal-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Transportation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Transportation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>Transportation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Transportation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Shahray" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Shahray"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>Shahray</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Shahray-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Semi-Protect_a_page_request" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Semi-Protect_a_page_request"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Semi-Protect a page request</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Semi-Protect_a_page_request-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Reminder to participate in Wikipedia research</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User:Hninsiphyutoxica" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User:Hninsiphyutoxica"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>User:Hninsiphyutoxica</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> 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I already have a list of folks that I've written articles for that I believe adhere to all guidelines (neutrality, notability, citations, etc.), but would love to get your input before doing my first :) --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Beauthentic&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Beauthentic (page does not exist)">Beauthentic</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beauthentic&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Beauthentic (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Beauthentic-20241028160200-Question_from_Beauthentic_(16:02,_28_October_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beauthentic-20241028160200-Question_from_Beauthentic_(16:02,_28_October_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beauthentic-20241028160200-Question_from_Beauthentic_(16:02,_28_October_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241028161800-Beauthentic-20241028160200"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Beauthentic&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Beauthentic (page does not exist)">Beauthentic</a>, welcome to wikipedia! If you've already <i>written</i> the articles, no need to ask in advance: just set them up as drafts. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WIZARD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WIZARD">WP:WIZARD</a> makes this really easy. You can then submit the drafts to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFC">Articles for Creation</a> process for review. I'm happy to give you some feedback about your drafts, and so will other AfC reviewers. By the way, if those underrepresented people are women, you might be interested in joining <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WIRED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WIRED">WP:WIRED</a>, which is a wikiproject that is very supportive to new editors. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241028161800-Beauthentic-20241028160200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241028161800-Beauthentic-20241028160200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241028161800-Beauthentic-20241028160200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beauthentic-20241030140400-Asilvering-20241028161800"></span>Thanks @<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a>! Super helpful. I'd love to get your feedback about my draft. Here it is:</dd> <dd>== Layne Eskridge ==</dd> <dd>Layne Eskridge (born September 8, 1981)<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> is an American television executive and producer who has overseen the development of multiple Emmy Award-winning series.<sup id="cite_ref-deadline2021_2-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-deadline2021-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> She founded POV Entertainment in 2020.<sup id="cite_ref-variety2021_3-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-variety2021-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></dd> <dd>=== Career ===</dd> <dd>==== Netflix (2016–2020) ====</dd> <dd>At Netflix, Eskridge served as a creative executive overseeing drama series development.<sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-4"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>4<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> During her tenure, she supervised <i>Ozark</i>, which garnered 45 Primetime Emmy Award nominations and four wins between 2017 and 2022, including Outstanding Directing for Jason Bateman.<sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-5"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>5<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></dd> <dd>She oversaw <i>When They See Us</i>, which received 16 Emmy nominations and won Outstanding Lead Actor for Jharrel Jerome in 2019.<sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-6"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>6<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> The series earned a Peabody Award that same year.<sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-7"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>7<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></dd> <dd>Her portfolio included <i>Dead to Me</i>, which The Washington Post described as compelling television,<sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-8"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>8<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> and <i>Top Boy</i>, which won the 2024 BAFTA TV Award for Best Drama Series.<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-9"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>9<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></dd> <dd>==== POV Entertainment (2020–present) ====</dd> <dd>In 2020, Eskridge founded POV Entertainment and established a development deal with Endeavor Content in January 2021.<sup id="cite_ref-deadline2021_2-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-deadline2021-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> Through this partnership, POV Entertainment began developing <i>The Plot</i>, a limited series adaptation starring Mahershala Ali for Disney's Onyx Collective.<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-10"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>10<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></dd> <dd>In 2024, she executive produced <i>Lady in the Lake</i> for Apple TV+, starring Natalie Portman and Moses Ingram.<sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-11"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>11<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> She also serves as executive producer on <i>Manhunt</i>, an Apple TV+ series about John Wilkes Booth following Abraham Lincoln's assassination.<sup id="cite_ref-12" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-12"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>12<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></dd> <dd>=== Selected filmography ===</dd> <dd>==== Executive producer ==== <ul><li><i>Lady in the Lake</i> (Apple TV+, 2024)</li> <li><i>Manhunt</i> (Apple TV+, 2024)</li> <li><i>The Plot</i> (Hulu, in development)</li></ul></dd> <dd>==== Development executive ==== <ul><li><i>Ozark</i> (Netflix, 2017–2022)</li> <li><i>When They See Us</i> (Netflix, 2019)</li> <li><i>Dead to Me</i> (Netflix, 2019–2022)</li> <li><i>Top Boy</i> (Netflix, 2019–2023)</li> <li><i>Seven Seconds</i> (Netflix, 2018)</li> <li><i>Messiah</i> (Netflix, 2020)</li> <li><i>Self Made</i> (Netflix, 2020)</li></ul></dd> <dd>== References ==</dd> <dd><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output 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Or should I be doing something else? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Beauthentic&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Beauthentic (page does not exist)">Beauthentic</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beauthentic&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Beauthentic (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Beauthentic-20241102193800-Asilvering-20241030144400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beauthentic-20241102193800-Asilvering-20241030144400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beauthentic-20241102193800-Asilvering-20241030144400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241102203500-Beauthentic-20241102193800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Beauthentic&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Beauthentic (page does not exist)">Beauthentic</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> You could do that. You could also create <code> Draft:Layne Eskridge,</code> and put the draft there. Either way is a legitimate way to create a draft. <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241102203500-Beauthentic-20241102193800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241102203500-Beauthentic-20241102193800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241102203500-Beauthentic-20241102193800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="what_to_do_about_this" data-mw-thread-id="h-what_to_do_about_this-20240627104000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-what_to_do_about_this-20240627104000"></span>what to do about this<span data-mw-comment-end="h-what_to_do_about_this-20240627104000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: what to do about this"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Talk:Russian_language#The_map_of_the_geographic_distribution_of_the_Russian_language" title="Talk:Russian language"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fuc_Count-20240627104000-what_to_do_about_this"></span>Talk:Russian language#The map of the geographic distribution of the Russian language</a> this time it is not from a decade ago,but i saw some users message "It`s more accurate only in your head. Who are you, ukrainian warrior? Just the encouraged vandal. Do they even pay for your work? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Fuc_Count&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Fuc Count (page does not exist)">Fuc Count</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fuc_Count" title="User talk:Fuc Count">talk</a>) <a href="/wiki/Talk:Russian_language#c-Fuc_Count-20240627104000-Ґайдечахв74Лпадаоо-20240217205900" title="Talk:Russian language">10:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)</a>",seems like a violent message,is this one of the messages discouraged here <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Harassment" title="Wikipedia:Harassment">Wikipedia:Harassment</a>?? <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Fuc_Count-20240627104000-what_to_do_about_this" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fuc_Count-20240627104000-what_to_do_about_this"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fuc_Count-20240627104000-what_to_do_about_this"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241029195200-Fuc_Count-20240627104000"></span>Yes, that's not acceptable. I've removed that from the talk page. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241029195200-Fuc_Count-20240627104000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241029195200-Fuc_Count-20240627104000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241029195200-Fuc_Count-20240627104000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241030013700-Asilvering-20241029195200"></span>But how did you do it? <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241030013700-Asilvering-20241029195200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241030013700-Asilvering-20241029195200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241030013700-Asilvering-20241029195200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241030185800-UnsungHistory-20241030013700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a> <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241030185800-UnsungHistory-20241030013700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241030185800-UnsungHistory-20241030013700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241030185800-UnsungHistory-20241030013700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241031190700-UnsungHistory-20241030185800"></span>Sorry, I missed this earlier. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Russian_language&diff=prev&oldid=1254180279">Here</a> is the diff. Does that answer your question? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241031190700-UnsungHistory-20241030185800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241031190700-UnsungHistory-20241030185800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241031190700-UnsungHistory-20241030185800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241031212700-Asilvering-20241031190700"></span>yes <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241031212700-Asilvering-20241031190700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241031212700-Asilvering-20241031190700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241031212700-Asilvering-20241031190700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_message_about_my_edit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_message_about_my_edit-20241029203500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_message_about_my_edit-20241029203500"></span>Your message about my edit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_message_about_my_edit-20241029203500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Your message about my edit"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_Desmond-20241029203500-Your_message_about_my_edit"></span>Thank you very much for your message about my edit of 'The Society of the Spectacle'; I wondered whether I was being pedantic. Thank you again.<a href="/wiki/User:John_Desmond" title="User:John Desmond">John Desmond</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Desmond" title="User talk:John Desmond">talk</a>) <a href="/wiki/User:John_Desmond" title="User:John Desmond">John Desmond</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Desmond" title="User talk:John Desmond">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-John_Desmond-20241029203500-Your_message_about_my_edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_Desmond-20241029203500-Your_message_about_my_edit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_Desmond-20241029203500-Your_message_about_my_edit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241029203700-John_Desmond-20241029203500"></span>Fixing citations like that is extremely helpful! 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--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SahibSinghJi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SahibSinghJi (page does not exist)">SahibSinghJi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SahibSinghJi" title="User talk:SahibSinghJi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-SahibSinghJi-20241029231100-Question_from_SahibSinghJi_(23:11,_29_October_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SahibSinghJi-20241029231100-Question_from_SahibSinghJi_(23:11,_29_October_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SahibSinghJi-20241029231100-Question_from_SahibSinghJi_(23:11,_29_October_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241030023300-SahibSinghJi-20241029231100"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SahibSinghJi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SahibSinghJi (page does not exist)">SahibSinghJi</a>, welcome to wikipedia! I'm not @<a href="/wiki/User:Cocobb8" title="User:Cocobb8">Cocobb8</a>, but I've tagged them into this in case you needed them in particular for some reason?</dd> <dd>I don't suggest that you write about an app. It would almost certainly not meet the guidelines at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">WP:N</a>, which any topic needs to meet in order to be eligible for a wikipedia article. I see you've got a welcome message on your talk page already - have a look at those links for some tips to help you getting started. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241030023300-SahibSinghJi-20241029231100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:33, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241030023300-SahibSinghJi-20241029231100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241030023300-SahibSinghJi-20241029231100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Safari's_talk_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Safari's_talk_page-20241030184000"><span id="Safari.27s_talk_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Safari's_talk_page-20241030184000"></span>Safari's talk page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Safari's_talk_page-20241030184000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Safari's talk page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-S0091-20241030184000-Safari's_talk_page"></span>Did my reply ping you in some way? Or do you have super antennae that pick up a mere mention of your name? :) <a href="/wiki/User:S0091" title="User:S0091">S0091</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:S0091" title="User talk:S0091">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-S0091-20241030184000-Safari's_talk_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-S0091-20241030184000-Safari's_talk_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-S0091-20241030184000-Safari's_talk_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241030191400-S0091-20241030184000"></span>There's no guarantee I'll see it, of course, but an edit summary left on a prolific AfC reviewer's page that says "re Fram, admins are active at AfC" will tend to sent off the super antennae, haha. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241030191400-S0091-20241030184000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241030191400-S0091-20241030184000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241030191400-S0091-20241030184000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-S0091-20241030194400-Asilvering-20241030191400"></span>Now I have this picture of you as a faceless person with big antennae lol (no tin foil hat though). I hope Fram takes the suggestion to bring his concerns to AfC because, based on my experience, reviewers do a good job with neutral re-reviews (and I personally have a distaste for ANI) but I can understand if he thinks a broader audience is needed. I also left him instructions on his tp for resubmitting drafts on behalf of another user. <a href="/wiki/User:S0091" title="User:S0091">S0091</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:S0091" title="User talk:S0091">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-S0091-20241030194400-Asilvering-20241030191400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-S0091-20241030194400-Asilvering-20241030191400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-S0091-20241030194400-Asilvering-20241030191400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241030195000-S0091-20241030194400"></span>I hope so as well. The speed with which the backlog has been going down has made me a bit nervous that something like this would come up. But I think AfC will be less angst for all involved and lead to a more successful cleanup effort. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241030195000-S0091-20241030194400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241030195000-S0091-20241030194400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241030195000-S0091-20241030194400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_MarkWHowe_(23:26,_30_October_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_MarkWHowe_(23:26,_30_October_2024)-20241030232600"><span id="Question_from_MarkWHowe_.2823:26.2C_30_October_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_MarkWHowe_(23:26,_30_October_2024)-20241030232600"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:MarkWHowe" title="User:MarkWHowe">MarkWHowe</a> (23:26, 30 October 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_MarkWHowe_(23:26,_30_October_2024)-20241030232600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Question from MarkWHowe (23:26, 30 October 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarkWHowe-20241030232600-Question_from_MarkWHowe_(23:26,_30_October_2024)"></span>Hello; Is there a way\ location, perhaps in my sandbox, to upload and store graphics like photos, diagrams, drawings etc? I'm thinking I could refine them in that place and then it would be convenient to copy and paste them into articles when needed. These would all be railroad related; photos of personages, maps, scans of documents etc. --<a href="/wiki/User:MarkWHowe" title="User:MarkWHowe">MarkWHowe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarkWHowe" title="User talk:MarkWHowe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-MarkWHowe-20241030232600-Question_from_MarkWHowe_(23:26,_30_October_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarkWHowe-20241030232600-Question_from_MarkWHowe_(23:26,_30_October_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarkWHowe-20241030232600-Question_from_MarkWHowe_(23:26,_30_October_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241030232900-MarkWHowe-20241030232600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MarkWHowe" title="User:MarkWHowe">MarkWHowe</a>, if you're talking about graphics that can go in articles where needed - as in, graphics that are compatibly licensed - the right place for most of those images is <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page">Wikimedia Commons</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241030232900-MarkWHowe-20241030232600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241030232900-MarkWHowe-20241030232600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241030232900-MarkWHowe-20241030232600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarkWHowe-20241031143900-Asilvering-20241030232900"></span>Yes. But I can't see where there is a way to find them again as my personal group of images. Hence my tho't of having such in/on my sandbox. I have bookmarked the 'upload wizard' but I'm wondering if it is somewhere in my 'tools' list. If so it's not obvious. <a href="/wiki/User:MarkWHowe" title="User:MarkWHowe">MarkWHowe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarkWHowe" title="User talk:MarkWHowe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-MarkWHowe-20241031143900-Asilvering-20241030232900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarkWHowe-20241031143900-Asilvering-20241030232900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarkWHowe-20241031143900-Asilvering-20241030232900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarkWHowe-20241031170000-MarkWHowe-20241031143900"></span>I got the answer; <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/MarkWHowe" class="extiw" title="commons:Special:ListFiles/MarkWHowe">Special:ListFiles/MarkWHowe</a>. precisely what i was looking for.</dd> <dd>Still wondering if the 'upload wizard' is somewhere in my 'tools' list and I'm just not seeing it. <a href="/wiki/User:MarkWHowe" title="User:MarkWHowe">MarkWHowe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarkWHowe" title="User talk:MarkWHowe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-MarkWHowe-20241031170000-MarkWHowe-20241031143900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarkWHowe-20241031170000-MarkWHowe-20241031143900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarkWHowe-20241031170000-MarkWHowe-20241031143900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241031170300-MarkWHowe-20241031170000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:MarkWHowe" title="User:MarkWHowe">MarkWHowe</a>, I use the old Vector skin so I'm not sure exactly where it's hiding on others, but I can get to the upload wizard on Commons in the left-hand menu, under "Participate". The link is called "Upload file". Does that help you find it? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241031170300-MarkWHowe-20241031170000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241031170300-MarkWHowe-20241031170000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241031170300-MarkWHowe-20241031170000"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/MarkWHowe"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241031170100-MarkWHowe-20241031143900"></span>Here</a> is a link to all your uploads on Commons - is this the kind of thing you're hoping for? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241031170100-MarkWHowe-20241031143900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241031170100-MarkWHowe-20241031143900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241031170100-MarkWHowe-20241031143900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarkWHowe-20241031183200-Asilvering-20241031170100"></span>Yes, that is exactly what I want but I have not yet found a way to install the link in my 'tools' sidebar., or if that is even possible. I figured it should be a 'user log' item; nope. Or a 'special pages' item; nope. Somebody said I should see an 'uploads' item in the upper right corner; not that I notice. I am now simply bookmarking the pages. That works. <a href="/wiki/User:MarkWHowe" title="User:MarkWHowe">MarkWHowe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarkWHowe" title="User talk:MarkWHowe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-MarkWHowe-20241031183200-Asilvering-20241031170100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarkWHowe-20241031183200-Asilvering-20241031170100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarkWHowe-20241031183200-Asilvering-20241031170100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Random_redirects" data-mw-thread-id="h-Random_redirects-20241031104800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Random_redirects-20241031104800"></span>Random redirects<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Random_redirects-20241031104800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Random redirects"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beshogur-20241031104800-Random_redirects"></span>So we can have random redirects like <a href="/wiki/Vulgar_Turkish" class="mw-redirect" title="Vulgar Turkish">Vulgar Turkish</a>? This isn't a proper name. <a href="/wiki/User:Beshogur" title="User:Beshogur">Beshogur</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beshogur" title="User talk:Beshogur">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Beshogur-20241031104800-Random_redirects" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:48, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beshogur-20241031104800-Random_redirects"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beshogur-20241031104800-Random_redirects"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beshogur-20241031105300-Beshogur-20241031104800"></span>FYI, this user <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mr._Information1409&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mr. Information1409 (page does not exist)">Mr. Information1409</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Information1409" title="User talk:Mr. Information1409">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mr._Information1409" title="Special:Contributions/Mr. Information1409">contribs</a>) claims there is a "vulgar Turkish" like <a href="/wiki/Vulgar_Latin" title="Vulgar Latin">Vulgar Latin</a>, but that's simply translation of the Turkish term <i>kaba Türkçe</i> (see <a href="/wiki/Ottoman_Turkish" title="Ottoman Turkish">Ottoman Turkish</a>). This user didn't even bother to try to create something, just a redirect. <a href="/wiki/User:Beshogur" title="User:Beshogur">Beshogur</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beshogur" title="User talk:Beshogur">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Beshogur-20241031105300-Beshogur-20241031104800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:53, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beshogur-20241031105300-Beshogur-20241031104800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beshogur-20241031105300-Beshogur-20241031104800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Information1409-20241031135100-Beshogur-20241031105300"></span>Yes, I admit that, sorry for that mistake. It was something that was referenced in the <a href="/wiki/Turkish_language" title="Turkish language">Turkish language</a> article. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mr._Information1409&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mr. Information1409 (page does not exist)">Mr. Information1409</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Information1409" title="User talk:Mr. Information1409">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Mr._Information1409-20241031135100-Beshogur-20241031105300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Information1409-20241031135100-Beshogur-20241031105300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Information1409-20241031135100-Beshogur-20241031105300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241031145500-Beshogur-20241031104800"></span>What you <i>can't</i> do is put a CSD tag on a redirect without giving a reason, where no CSD criteria apply. If you object to a redirect for editorial reasons, nominate it at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFD">WP:RFD</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241031145500-Beshogur-20241031104800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241031145500-Beshogur-20241031104800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241031145500-Beshogur-20241031104800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Information1409-20241031164500-Asilvering-20241031145500"></span>Ok, for the next time in other article. You can delete it, I'm seemingly wrong despite the fact that it were references, I didn't fully searched them. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mr._Information1409&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mr. Information1409 (page does not exist)">Mr. Information1409</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr._Information1409" title="User talk:Mr. Information1409">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Mr._Information1409-20241031164500-Asilvering-20241031145500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr._Information1409-20241031164500-Asilvering-20241031145500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr._Information1409-20241031164500-Asilvering-20241031145500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241031165900-Mr._Information1409-20241031164500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mr._Information1409&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mr. Information1409 (page does not exist)">Mr. Information1409</a>, that was a reply to @<a href="/wiki/User:Beshogur" title="User:Beshogur">Beshogur</a>, not to you, so don't worry. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241031165900-Mr._Information1409-20241031164500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241031165900-Mr._Information1409-20241031164500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241031165900-Mr._Information1409-20241031164500"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beshogur-20241031205700-Mr._Information1409-20241031164500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mr._Information1409&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mr. Information1409 (page does not exist)">Mr. Information1409</a>:</span> I understand your thing, but with all respect, there's nothing like "vulgar Turkish". Turkish language (aka Istanbul Turkish) isn't spoken in rural Turkey either. So your edits were basically illogical. Same applies for Ottoman Turkish article, if you read it carefully, it covered all versions. <a href="/wiki/User:Beshogur" title="User:Beshogur">Beshogur</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beshogur" title="User talk:Beshogur">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Beshogur-20241031205700-Mr._Information1409-20241031164500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beshogur-20241031205700-Mr._Information1409-20241031164500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beshogur-20241031205700-Mr._Information1409-20241031164500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Rakeshkrish_19_on_Heinrich_Klaasen_(13:48,_31_October_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Rakeshkrish_19_on_Heinrich_Klaasen_(13:48,_31_October_2024)-20241031134900"><span id="Question_from_Rakeshkrish_19_on_Heinrich_Klaasen_.2813:48.2C_31_October_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Rakeshkrish_19_on_Heinrich_Klaasen_(13:48,_31_October_2024)-20241031134900"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rakeshkrish_19&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rakeshkrish 19 (page does not exist)">Rakeshkrish 19</a> on <a href="/wiki/Heinrich_Klaasen" title="Heinrich Klaasen">Heinrich Klaasen</a> (13:48, 31 October 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Rakeshkrish_19_on_Heinrich_Klaasen_(13:48,_31_October_2024)-20241031134900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Question from Rakeshkrish 19 on Heinrich Klaasen (13:48, 31 October 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rakeshkrish_19-20241031134900-Question_from_Rakeshkrish_19_on_Heinrich_Klaasen_(13:48,_31_October_2024)"></span>How to insert image --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rakeshkrish_19&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rakeshkrish 19 (page does not exist)">Rakeshkrish 19</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rakeshkrish_19" title="User talk:Rakeshkrish 19">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Rakeshkrish_19-20241031134900-Question_from_Rakeshkrish_19_on_Heinrich_Klaasen_(13:48,_31_October_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rakeshkrish_19-20241031134900-Question_from_Rakeshkrish_19_on_Heinrich_Klaasen_(13:48,_31_October_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rakeshkrish_19-20241031134900-Question_from_Rakeshkrish_19_on_Heinrich_Klaasen_(13:48,_31_October_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241031170500-Rakeshkrish_19-20241031134900"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rakeshkrish_19&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rakeshkrish 19 (page does not exist)">Rakeshkrish 19</a>, there's information on uploading images at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UPIMAGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UPIMAGE">WP:UPIMAGE</a>. Does that help? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241031170500-Rakeshkrish_19-20241031134900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241031170500-Rakeshkrish_19-20241031134900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241031170500-Rakeshkrish_19-20241031134900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Hallowme_(15:02,_31_October_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Hallowme_(15:02,_31_October_2024)-20241031150200"><span id="Question_from_Hallowme_.2815:02.2C_31_October_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Hallowme_(15:02,_31_October_2024)-20241031150200"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:Hallowme" title="User:Hallowme">Hallowme</a> (15:02, 31 October 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Hallowme_(15:02,_31_October_2024)-20241031150200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Question from Hallowme (15:02, 31 October 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hallowme-20241031150200-Question_from_Hallowme_(15:02,_31_October_2024)"></span>Why do all of my Wikipedia articles for creation get deleted even if I had 200 trusted sources the the new article --<a href="/wiki/User:Hallowme" title="User:Hallowme">Hallowme</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hallowme" title="User talk:Hallowme">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Hallowme-20241031150200-Question_from_Hallowme_(15:02,_31_October_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hallowme-20241031150200-Question_from_Hallowme_(15:02,_31_October_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hallowme-20241031150200-Question_from_Hallowme_(15:02,_31_October_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241031150800-Hallowme-20241031150200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Hallowme" title="User:Hallowme">Hallowme</a>, I only see that you've had one AfC draft deleted. Can you tell me what the others were? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241031150800-Hallowme-20241031150200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241031150800-Hallowme-20241031150200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241031150800-Hallowme-20241031150200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hallowme-20241031152900-Asilvering-20241031150800"></span>I mean my article but I had enough trusted sources <a href="/wiki/User:Hallowme" title="User:Hallowme">Hallowme</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hallowme" title="User talk:Hallowme">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Hallowme-20241031152900-Asilvering-20241031150800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hallowme-20241031152900-Asilvering-20241031150800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hallowme-20241031152900-Asilvering-20241031150800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241031170000-Hallowme-20241031152900"></span>Really? The article was deleted as a hoax. Are you sure the trusted sources verified the article content? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241031170000-Hallowme-20241031152900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241031170000-Hallowme-20241031152900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241031170000-Hallowme-20241031152900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241101020500"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241101020500"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241101020500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: A barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Starship.paint-20241101020500-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Original_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Original_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Original_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Original_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Original_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Original_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Original_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Original Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Now that voting is over, I wish to thank you for reviewing all the candidates' AfD records. Your hard work is greatly appreciated! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Starship.paint" title="User:Starship.paint"><span style="color:#512888">starship.paint</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Starship.paint" title="User talk:Starship.paint">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Starship.paint" title="Special:Contributions/Starship.paint">cont</a>)</b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Starship.paint-20241101020500-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Starship.paint-20241101020500-A_barnstar_for_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Starship.paint-20241101020500-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241101020700-Starship.paint-20241101020500"></span>Thanks, and good luck! -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241101020700-Starship.paint-20241101020500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:07, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241101020700-Starship.paint-20241101020500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241101020700-Starship.paint-20241101020500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Talk-psychology" data-mw-thread-id="h-Talk-psychology-20241101021700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Talk-psychology-20241101021700"></span>Talk-psychology<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Talk-psychology-20241101021700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Talk-psychology"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chelky-20241101021700-Talk-psychology"></span>Thank you <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">User:Asilvering</a> for the message that you have left on my talk page. I understand now that you consider psychology as a real medical field that me as an old woman should rather not talk about, and you are %100 right. My question is if there can be a space in Wikipedia for social talk psychology for non-medical situations, where I would still have some life experience and knowledge to share. <a href="/wiki/User:Chelky" title="User:Chelky">Chelky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chelky" title="User talk:Chelky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Chelky-20241101021700-Talk-psychology" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:17, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chelky-20241101021700-Talk-psychology"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chelky-20241101021700-Talk-psychology"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241101024300-Chelky-20241101021700"></span>Not at all! Please <i>do</i> go ahead and edit articles on psychology, medical or otherwise - we just need to be following <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MEDRS">WP:MEDRS</a> whenever we're editing something that contains a biomedical claim of some kind. I see that almost all of your edits to mainspace articles have been reverted for lack of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a>, which is why I suggest going through AfC first if you want to create a new article. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241101024300-Chelky-20241101021700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241101024300-Chelky-20241101021700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241101024300-Chelky-20241101021700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="topic_ban?" data-mw-thread-id="h-topic_ban?-20241101061000"><span id="topic_ban.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-topic_ban?-20241101061000"></span>topic ban?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-topic_ban?-20241101061000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: topic ban?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shahray-20241101061000-topic_ban?"></span>Does this allows me to respond on the talk page? If not, then please specify it, so I can ask broadly and reach consensus for my changes. <a href="/wiki/User:Shahray" title="User:Shahray">Shahray</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shahray" title="User talk:Shahray">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Shahray-20241101061000-topic_ban?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shahray-20241101061000-topic_ban?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shahray-20241101061000-topic_ban?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241101064100-Shahray-20241101061000"></span>No, if you're banned from a topic, that means talk pages as well. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TBAN">WP:TBAN</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241101064100-Shahray-20241101061000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241101064100-Shahray-20241101061000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241101064100-Shahray-20241101061000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mellk-20241101082400-Asilvering-20241101064100"></span>Doesn't <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Second_Bulgarian_Empire&diff=prev&oldid=1254699540">this</a> violate the topic ban? Since they are starting a RfC regarding the Rus/Russian naming they previously tried to change. At <a href="/wiki/Talk:Second_Bulgarian_Empire#"Russian"_anachronisms" title="Talk:Second Bulgarian Empire">Talk:Second_Bulgarian_Empire#"Russian"_anachronisms</a> they insisted on the "Rus" naming. <a href="/wiki/User:Mellk" title="User:Mellk">Mellk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mellk" title="User talk:Mellk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Mellk-20241101082400-Asilvering-20241101064100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mellk-20241101082400-Asilvering-20241101064100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mellk-20241101082400-Asilvering-20241101064100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241102001400-Mellk-20241101082400"></span>Yes, it would. @<a href="/wiki/User:Shahray" title="User:Shahray">Shahray</a>, I've removed the RfC from that talk page. If it would be clearer, I can broaden the wording of the topic ban to "History of Ukraine and Russia", or whatever other phrasing you think would be more helpful, but this is certainly the kind of edit you are not supposed to be making while topic-banned. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241102001400-Mellk-20241101082400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241102001400-Mellk-20241101082400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241102001400-Mellk-20241101082400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_closing_of_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shirley_Clelland" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_closing_of_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shirley_Clelland-20241101121300"><span id="Your_closing_of_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FShirley_Clelland"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_closing_of_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shirley_Clelland-20241101121300"></span>Your closing of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shirley_Clelland" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shirley Clelland">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shirley Clelland</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_closing_of_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shirley_Clelland-20241101121300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Your closing of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shirley Clelland"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Habst-20241101121300-Your_closing_of_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shirley_Clelland"></span>Hi, thank you for your great work with AfDs. Looking at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shirley_Clelland" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shirley Clelland">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shirley Clelland</a>, I notice it was closed as <i>no consensus</i>, but I think that <b>keep</b> would be a more fair closing as there were no delete views expressed at all other than the nominator, and adequate sources were provided with two keep views. </p><p>Could you please consider changing the closing decision to <b>keep</b>? I know it has no material impact right now, but down the line it will be useful to establish a precedent should someone decide to nominate the article again in the future. </p><p>Thanks, --<a href="/wiki/User:Habst" title="User:Habst">Habst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Habst" title="User talk:Habst">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Habst-20241101121300-Your_closing_of_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shirley_Clelland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:13, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Habst-20241101121300-Your_closing_of_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shirley_Clelland"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Habst-20241101121300-Your_closing_of_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shirley_Clelland"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241102001800-Habst-20241101121300"></span>If the second vote were more substantial, I might have, but I have to say this does look pretty shaky to me. In lieu of closing keep, I'll re-open it, and we'll see if someone else will come and add some more affirmation. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241102001800-Habst-20241101121300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241102001800-Habst-20241101121300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241102001800-Habst-20241101121300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Robert_Justin_514_Gee!_(20:19,_1_November_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Robert_Justin_514_Gee!_(20:19,_1_November_2024)-20241101201900"><span id="Question_from_Robert_Justin_514_Gee.21_.2820:19.2C_1_November_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Robert_Justin_514_Gee!_(20:19,_1_November_2024)-20241101201900"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Robert_Justin_514_Gee!&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Robert Justin 514 Gee! 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data-mw-thread-id="h-How_to_change_the_name_of_a_page-20241103184200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_to_change_the_name_of_a_page-20241103184200"></span>How to change the name of a page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_to_change_the_name_of_a_page-20241103184200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: How to change the name of a page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241103184200-How_to_change_the_name_of_a_page"></span>So the page that i want to change the name of is <a href="/wiki/San_Francisco_4th_and_King_Street_station" title="San Francisco 4th and King Street station">San Francisco 4th and King Street station</a>,it is not called the 4th and King street station, it is called just san francisco station,additionally i have actually ridden caltrain to that very station,i heard the announcements and on the screens it specifically says san francisco,i am very confident about this and i even have a source <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.caltrain.com/station/sanfrancisco">[1]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241103184200-How_to_change_the_name_of_a_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241103184200-How_to_change_the_name_of_a_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241103184200-How_to_change_the_name_of_a_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241103200800-UnsungHistory-20241103184200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a>, you could open a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM</a> for that if you really want to, but the reason it is at that title is probably to disambiguate it from the other entries at <a href="/wiki/San_Francisco_station" class="mw-disambig" title="San Francisco station">San Francisco station</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241103200800-UnsungHistory-20241103184200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241103200800-UnsungHistory-20241103184200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241103200800-UnsungHistory-20241103184200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241104040200-Asilvering-20241103200800"></span>They reverted it,they told me that it is potentially controversial and i should file a request instead of doing it outright for that matter,i do not get how is it controversial,but,how do i file a request for a move? <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241104040200-Asilvering-20241103200800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241104040200-Asilvering-20241103200800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241104040200-Asilvering-20241103200800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241104040900-UnsungHistory-20241104040200"></span>The instructions are at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PCM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PCM">WP:PCM</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241104040900-UnsungHistory-20241104040200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241104040900-UnsungHistory-20241104040200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241104040900-UnsungHistory-20241104040200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Happy_Wikiversary!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Happy_Wikiversary!-20241104004000"><span id="Happy_Wikiversary.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Happy_Wikiversary!-20241104004000"></span>Happy Wikiversary!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Happy_Wikiversary!-20241104004000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Happy Wikiversary!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JamesMLane-20241104004000-Happy_Wikiversary!"></span>It's still November 3 where I am. <a href="/wiki/User:JamesMLane" title="User:JamesMLane">JamesMLane</a><small> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:JamesMLane" title="User talk:JamesMLane">t</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JamesMLane" title="Special:Contributions/JamesMLane">c</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-JamesMLane-20241104004000-Happy_Wikiversary!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JamesMLane-20241104004000-Happy_Wikiversary!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JamesMLane-20241104004000-Happy_Wikiversary!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241104005400-JamesMLane-20241104004000"></span>Oh, indeed! Happy 3rd to me! Thanks. :) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241104005400-JamesMLane-20241104004000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241104005400-JamesMLane-20241104004000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241104005400-JamesMLane-20241104004000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="G11" data-mw-thread-id="h-G11-20241104171000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-G11-20241104171000"></span>G11<span data-mw-comment-end="h-G11-20241104171000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: G11"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fathoms_Below-20241104171000-G11"></span>Hey asilvering, I saw that you declined my G11 <a href="/wiki/Draft:Mary_Rutan_Health" title="Draft:Mary Rutan Health">here</a>. While I felt like the article in its current state looked a lot like an advert, with awards and stating the organization's mission, I don't want to be too <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BITE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BITE">bitey</a> so I just wanted to hear your side of the story for the future potentially? Oh and can you potentially make sure that there isn't a copyright violation in paragraph 4 of the draft? Earwig's seems to indicate that it was mostly copy-pasted from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.logancountyohio.com/news">this website</a>. But of course I could always be making a mistake, just wanted to get your opinion. <a href="/wiki/User:Fathoms_Below" title="User:Fathoms Below"><span style="color:light blue;"><span style="font-size:110%"><i>Fathoms Below</i></span></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fathoms_Below" title="User talk:Fathoms Below"><span style="color:brown;"><span style="font-size:85%;">(talk)</span></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Fathoms_Below-20241104171000-G11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fathoms_Below-20241104171000-G11"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fathoms_Below-20241104171000-G11"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241104172200-Fathoms_Below-20241104171000"></span>If there's a copyright violation, please make sure you tag with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G12" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G12">WP:G12</a>, even if you think it's also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G11" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G11">WP:G11</a> level - otherwise it might be undeleted. In this case I think I can fix it with revdel, thanks for pointing it out. Regarding whether it looks like an advert, I absolutely agree that it's made up of Marketing Language that isn't really acceptable on Wikipedia (looks like that copyvio is a press release, which explains that!). But this contributor is a declared paid contributor doing their best to follow the rules, so I don't think it's appropriate to delete their first attempt, even if it's not what we'd really want. In general I'd say that CSDs in draftspace are way too bitey, especially G11, and they also make it harder for AfC reviewers who aren't admins to help out when the submitting editor goes to the help desk in confusion. And drafts aren't very urgent - they'll all end up going out via <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G13" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G13">WP:G13</a> in the end if the editor can't get it through AfC. Unless it's something so bad an editor also ought to catch an indef for spamming, imo it's better to let them keep trying. Though I will somewhat hypocritically admit that I have a close-to-zero tolerance level for the "SEO entrepreneur" and "Nigerian rapper" genres of draftspace G11s. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241104172200-Fathoms_Below-20241104171000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241104172200-Fathoms_Below-20241104171000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241104172200-Fathoms_Below-20241104171000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HitroMilanese-20241104172900-Asilvering-20241104172200"></span>Regarding <a href="/wiki/Draft:LatitudeLearning" title="Draft:LatitudeLearning">Draft:LatitudeLearning</a>. I was just wondering why you declined db-spam on this one. Does it not read as promotional? <a href="/wiki/User:HitroMilanese" title="User:HitroMilanese"><b style="color:Green; font-family:Times New Roman">Hitro</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:HitroMilanese" title="User talk:HitroMilanese"><b style="color:#FF00FF; font-family:courier; font-size:small"> talk</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-HitroMilanese-20241104172900-Asilvering-20241104172200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HitroMilanese-20241104172900-Asilvering-20241104172200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HitroMilanese-20241104172900-Asilvering-20241104172200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241104174600-HitroMilanese-20241104172900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:HitroMilanese" title="User:HitroMilanese">HitroMilanese</a>, it's mostly a list of facts, so it's not so totally awful that someone couldn't use that as a basis to write something less promo. <i>Will</i> someone write something less promo? Probably not. In that case, @<a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> will end up killing it six months from now. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241104174600-HitroMilanese-20241104172900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241104174600-HitroMilanese-20241104172900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241104174600-HitroMilanese-20241104172900"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G13" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G13"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241104174900-Asilvering-20241104174600"></span>WP:G13</a> - Explicit, Liz, and myself check <a href="/wiki/User:SDZeroBot/G13_soon" title="User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon">User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon</a> several times a day and try to postpone deletion for any promising drafts, while deleting the rest. It'll get gone eventually if no one improves it. <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241104174900-Asilvering-20241104174600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241104174900-Asilvering-20241104174600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20241104174900-Asilvering-20241104174600"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fathoms_Below-20241104175000-HitroMilanese-20241104172900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:HitroMilanese" title="User:HitroMilanese">HitroMilanese</a> While there's some content in that draft that reads as promotional, personally I would have declined since there isn't any serious <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PUFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PUFF">puffery</a>-style language. I'd say it's a more ambiguous case than the one that I linked above and I wouldn't have tagged it myself. Again, probably my standards for deletion might be less tolerable than asilvering's. Personally maybe a deeper discussion on this could be had somewhere since people like my friend <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> might have different standards than me. But I was interested in making sure I didn't do too much, and thanks for asilvering for letting me know. <a href="/wiki/User:Fathoms_Below" title="User:Fathoms Below"><span style="color:light blue;"><span style="font-size:110%"><i>Fathoms Below</i></span></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fathoms_Below" title="User talk:Fathoms Below"><span style="color:brown;"><span style="font-size:85%;">(talk)</span></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Fathoms_Below-20241104175000-HitroMilanese-20241104172900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fathoms_Below-20241104175000-HitroMilanese-20241104172900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fathoms_Below-20241104175000-HitroMilanese-20241104172900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fathoms_Below-20241104173300-Asilvering-20241104172200"></span>G12 would only apply if there is no non-infringing content worth saving, which in this case I saw that there was content that didn't show up on Earwig's. That's why I didn't tag for G12 and only tagged for G11. Personally I feel like your approach is probably unique from what I've seen, since I've seen that you've declined G11s from even other admins. But of course I don't really have an opinion, there's always a chance another person with less tolerance would just delete it. Maybe I've just fallen behind things since when I was an admin a few months ago, but I don't want to be too bitey either. I think it's more of an area that the community hasn't really defined that well, especially with the current discussion around U5 at ANI. Similar to how draftification discussions can be a mess sometime. But yeah, was just interested in your opinion, thanks for that. <a href="/wiki/User:Fathoms_Below" title="User:Fathoms Below"><span style="color:light blue;"><span style="font-size:110%"><i>Fathoms Below</i></span></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fathoms_Below" title="User talk:Fathoms Below"><span style="color:brown;"><span style="font-size:85%;">(talk)</span></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Fathoms_Below-20241104173300-Asilvering-20241104172200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fathoms_Below-20241104173300-Asilvering-20241104172200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fathoms_Below-20241104173300-Asilvering-20241104172200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241104175000-Fathoms_Below-20241104173300"></span>I'm not sure it's unique - when I've talked to other admins about CSD tagging, I've mostly had the experience of having them agree with me that things shouldn't be CSD'd. Unique among admins who routinely patrol CSDs... maybe. But I don't think it's a good idea to calibrate CSD expectations based on the handful of admins who routinely <i>perform</i> those deletions, given what's happening at ANI and now recall. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241104175000-Fathoms_Below-20241104173300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241104175000-Fathoms_Below-20241104173300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241104175000-Fathoms_Below-20241104173300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fathoms_Below-20241104175300-Asilvering-20241104175000"></span>Yeah that's why I've been trying to kind of recalibrate if that makes sense? For the future with taggings that I might make while I'm patrolling and if I ever become an admin again, though I'm not 100% sure I'd be wanted for the latter. But there's a lot of interpretation that goes into this, so can you maybe point to some other admins who talked to you about CSD tagging? I'm just making sure anyway. <a href="/wiki/User:Fathoms_Below" title="User:Fathoms Below"><span style="color:light blue;"><span style="font-size:110%"><i>Fathoms Below</i></span></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fathoms_Below" title="User talk:Fathoms Below"><span style="color:brown;"><span style="font-size:85%;">(talk)</span></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Fathoms_Below-20241104175300-Asilvering-20241104175000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fathoms_Below-20241104175300-Asilvering-20241104175000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fathoms_Below-20241104175300-Asilvering-20241104175000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241104180900-Fathoms_Below-20241104175300"></span>I hesitate to tag people in because I think I'm probably being annoying enough already asking all my questions, haha. But there's Josh above, for example, and I don't think @<a href="/wiki/User:Elli" title="User:Elli">Elli</a> will mind a ping for her opinions. :) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241104180900-Fathoms_Below-20241104175300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241104180900-Fathoms_Below-20241104175300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241104180900-Fathoms_Below-20241104175300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fathoms_Below-20241104181100-Asilvering-20241104180900"></span>Ooh Elli? Can't wait to meet up with her soon :) <a href="/wiki/User:Fathoms_Below" title="User:Fathoms Below"><span style="color:light blue;"><span style="font-size:110%"><i>Fathoms Below</i></span></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fathoms_Below" title="User talk:Fathoms Below"><span style="color:brown;"><span style="font-size:85%;">(talk)</span></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Fathoms_Below-20241104181100-Asilvering-20241104180900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fathoms_Below-20241104181100-Asilvering-20241104180900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fathoms_Below-20241104181100-Asilvering-20241104180900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elli-20241104181700-Fathoms_Below-20241104181100"></span>Likewise :) and I'm happy to give you my thoughts if you have questions on whether particular deletions would be appropriate. <a href="/wiki/User:Elli" title="User:Elli">Elli</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Elli" title="User talk:Elli">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Elli" title="Special:Contributions/Elli">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Elli-20241104181700-Fathoms_Below-20241104181100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elli-20241104181700-Fathoms_Below-20241104181100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elli-20241104181700-Fathoms_Below-20241104181100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241105030400-Asilvering-20241104172200"></span>@Asilvering, @<a href="/wiki/User:Fathoms_Below" title="User:Fathoms Below">Fathoms Below</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a>, and @<a href="/wiki/User:Elli" title="User:Elli">Elli</a>: <small>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> As a 'low hanging fruit' AfC reviewer, I often nominate for G11 deletion when it's pretty obvious that someone has come here to spam Wikipedia, and not to constructively edit it. However, if someone were to decline it, I'd take it as a sign that I've been looking at low quality articles for too long, and that I need to touch grass. /lighthearted /halfjoke <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241105030400-Asilvering-20241104172200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:04, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241105030400-Asilvering-20241104172200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241105030400-Asilvering-20241104172200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241105155300-I_dream_of_horses-20241105030400"></span>This is a good response to have, that will do much to protect your sanity from SEO farms. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241105155300-I_dream_of_horses-20241105030400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241105155300-I_dream_of_horses-20241105030400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241105155300-I_dream_of_horses-20241105030400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fathoms_Below-20241105213200-Asilvering-20241105155300"></span>Hi asilvering. Uh, now I'm curious why you just blanked <a href="/wiki/User:The_human_Counselor/sandbox" title="User:The human Counselor/sandbox">this page</a> instead of deleting it per G12. It seemed like there was <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">no non-infringing content on the page worth saving. Only if the history is unsalvageably corrupted should it be deleted in its entirety; earlier versions without infringement should be retained.</q> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G12" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G12">G12</a>) Personally, I've never seen an admin blank a page and revdel when the history seemed to be entirely a copyvio from a promotional account. Another admin deleted the same sandbox when I tagged it earlier before the account recreated it. Are you entirely sure that this approach is in line with our policies right now? I'm just curious since it seemed like an unambiguous case and it seems entirely appropriate to delete per G12. Maybe a third opinion from another admin might help but it's just new to me. <a href="/wiki/User:Fathoms_Below" title="User:Fathoms Below"><span style="color:light blue;"><span style="font-size:110%"><i>Fathoms Below</i></span></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fathoms_Below" title="User talk:Fathoms Below"><span style="color:brown;"><span style="font-size:85%;">(talk)</span></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Fathoms_Below-20241105213200-Asilvering-20241105155300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fathoms_Below-20241105213200-Asilvering-20241105155300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fathoms_Below-20241105213200-Asilvering-20241105155300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241105213500-Fathoms_Below-20241105213200"></span>The end result is the same - copyvio removed - so I don't know that there are any policies involved here that say one way or the other is better. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241105213500-Fathoms_Below-20241105213200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241105213500-Fathoms_Below-20241105213200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241105213500-Fathoms_Below-20241105213200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fathoms_Below-20241105214300-Asilvering-20241105213500"></span>Sure the end result is the same but it just seems... weird from my point of view. Maybe I'm just too used for things being one way rather than the other, but you have an unfamiliar approach to me. I guess we can agree that we're different anyway. <a href="/wiki/User:Fathoms_Below" title="User:Fathoms Below"><span style="color:light blue;"><span style="font-size:110%"><i>Fathoms Below</i></span></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fathoms_Below" title="User talk:Fathoms Below"><span style="color:brown;"><span style="font-size:85%;">(talk)</span></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Fathoms_Below-20241105214300-Asilvering-20241105213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fathoms_Below-20241105214300-Asilvering-20241105213500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fathoms_Below-20241105214300-Asilvering-20241105213500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alalch_E.-20241112071100-Asilvering-20241105213500"></span>That discourages people from tagging G12 because it signals to them that they have made a mistake performing tagging. Not everyone will come to your talk page to be assured that they did not make a mistake. It does not seem like a good practice at all to decline G12, blank, then revdel. It is better to delete and not send any confusing signals, and also not expose yourself to unnecessary questions. —<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alalch_E." title="User talk:Alalch E.">Alalch E.</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Alalch_E.-20241112071100-Asilvering-20241105213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alalch_E.-20241112071100-Asilvering-20241105213500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alalch_E.-20241112071100-Asilvering-20241105213500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_can't_i_insert_an_infobox??" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_can't_i_insert_an_infobox??-20241104214200"><span id="Why_can.27t_i_insert_an_infobox.3F.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_can't_i_insert_an_infobox??-20241104214200"></span>Why can't i insert an infobox??<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_can't_i_insert_an_infobox??-20241104214200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Why can't i insert an infobox??"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241104214200-Why_can't_i_insert_an_infobox??"></span>Trying to Insert an infobox on my user page, i copied pasted infobox wikitext from <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_Wikipedia_user" title="Template:Infobox Wikipedia user">Template:Infobox Wikipedia user</a>,that failed,and then trying to get creative,maybe write about myself via infobox country,to express my intrest in politics,by copying pasting wikitext from <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_country" title="Template:Infobox country">Template:Infobox country</a>,also refused to convert wiki-text,it usually converts wikitext,what is going on?? <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241104214200-Why_can't_i_insert_an_infobox??" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241104214200-Why_can't_i_insert_an_infobox??"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241104214200-Why_can't_i_insert_an_infobox??"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241104215100-UnsungHistory-20241104214200"></span>Oh wait,never mind,i figured it out <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241104215100-UnsungHistory-20241104214200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241104215100-UnsungHistory-20241104214200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241104215100-UnsungHistory-20241104214200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241104215200-UnsungHistory-20241104215100"></span>but still,why is not the Wikitext working?? <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241104215200-UnsungHistory-20241104215100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241104215200-UnsungHistory-20241104215100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241104215200-UnsungHistory-20241104215100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241104233200-UnsungHistory-20241104215200"></span>Looks like you've fixed it? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241104233200-UnsungHistory-20241104215200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241104233200-UnsungHistory-20241104215200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241104233200-UnsungHistory-20241104215200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241105001900-Asilvering-20241104233200"></span>Umm,the wikitext is not working,i used the alternate way (through the insert option in edit mode),but i wonder,what glitch is that where wikitext does not get converted?? <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241105001900-Asilvering-20241104233200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241105001900-Asilvering-20241104233200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241105001900-Asilvering-20241104233200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241105024300-UnsungHistory-20241105001900"></span>I'm sorry, I don't have any idea what you're talking about. Maybe someone at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TEA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TEA">WP:TEA</a> will recognize the issue? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241105024300-UnsungHistory-20241105001900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241105024300-UnsungHistory-20241105001900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241105024300-UnsungHistory-20241105001900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_TheSkillet_(22:54,_4_November_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_TheSkillet_(22:54,_4_November_2024)-20241104225400"><span id="Question_from_TheSkillet_.2822:54.2C_4_November_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_TheSkillet_(22:54,_4_November_2024)-20241104225400"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TheSkillet&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TheSkillet (page does not exist)">TheSkillet</a> (22:54, 4 November 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_TheSkillet_(22:54,_4_November_2024)-20241104225400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Question from TheSkillet (22:54, 4 November 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheSkillet-20241104225400-Question_from_TheSkillet_(22:54,_4_November_2024)"></span>are you a real person --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TheSkillet&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TheSkillet (page does not exist)">TheSkillet</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheSkillet" title="User talk:TheSkillet">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-TheSkillet-20241104225400-Question_from_TheSkillet_(22:54,_4_November_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheSkillet-20241104225400-Question_from_TheSkillet_(22:54,_4_November_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheSkillet-20241104225400-Question_from_TheSkillet_(22:54,_4_November_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241104233100-TheSkillet-20241104225400"></span>Yes. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241104233100-TheSkillet-20241104225400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241104233100-TheSkillet-20241104225400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241104233100-TheSkillet-20241104225400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Voorts" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Voorts-20241106003400"><span id="Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship.2FVoorts"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Voorts-20241106003400"></span>Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Voorts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Voorts-20241106003400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Voorts"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RCSCott91-20241106003400-Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Voorts"></span>Sorry, I accidentally touched your edit when I was placing my vote. I already self reverted and replaced my edit (this time taking extra care not to be the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BULLINCHINASHOP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BULLINCHINASHOP">WP:BULLINCHINASHOP</a>.) Just wanted to properly apologize. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:RCSCott91" title="User:RCSCott91">RCSCott91</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RCSCott91" title="User talk:RCSCott91">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-RCSCott91-20241106003400-Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Voorts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RCSCott91-20241106003400-Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Voorts"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RCSCott91-20241106003400-Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Voorts"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241106004500-RCSCott91-20241106003400"></span>I never noticed! No worries. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241106004500-RCSCott91-20241106003400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241106004500-RCSCott91-20241106003400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241106004500-RCSCott91-20241106003400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You_sure_about_declining_the_U5_on_what_has_now_been_moved_to_Draft:Emmanuel_Alexander_Onofua?" data-mw-thread-id="h-You_sure_about_declining_the_U5_on_what_has_now_been_moved_to_Draft:Emmanuel_Ale-20241106084500"><span id="You_sure_about_declining_the_U5_on_what_has_now_been_moved_to_Draft:Emmanuel_Alexander_Onofua.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You_sure_about_declining_the_U5_on_what_has_now_been_moved_to_Draft:Emmanuel_Ale-20241106084500"></span>You sure about declining the U5 on what has now been moved to <a href="/wiki/Draft:Emmanuel_Alexander_Onofua" title="Draft:Emmanuel Alexander Onofua">Draft:Emmanuel Alexander Onofua</a>?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You_sure_about_declining_the_U5_on_what_has_now_been_moved_to_Draft:Emmanuel_Ale-20241106084500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: You sure about declining the U5 on what has now been moved to Draft:Emmanuel Alexander Onofua?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarcGarver-20241106084500-You_sure_about_declining_the_U5_on_what_has_now_been_moved_to_Draft:Emmanuel_Ale"></span>This was created as a userpage. If you compare the username to the page content, it looks to me that this is a CV, not an attempt at a draft. E.g., text like this by an account named Eonofua, that is <b>E Onofua</b>, and a userpage that begins Dr. <b>E</b>mmanuel Alexander <b>Onofua</b> and continues with text like <i>Highly accomplished finance expert with 10+ years of experience in investment banking, financial consulting, and strategic leadership. Proven track record of driving business growth, managing complex projects, and providing expert advisory services to top-tier organizations. Highly accomplished finance expert with a PhD in Finance and over 15 years of experience in investment banking, financial consulting, and strategic leadership. Proven track record of driving business growth, managing complex projects, and providing expert advisory services to top-tier organizations.</i> Looks like someone writing their personal profile to me. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:MarcGarver" title="User:MarcGarver">MarcGarver</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarcGarver" title="User talk:MarcGarver">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-MarcGarver-20241106084500-You_sure_about_declining_the_U5_on_what_has_now_been_moved_to_Draft:Emmanuel_Ale" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarcGarver-20241106084500-You_sure_about_declining_the_U5_on_what_has_now_been_moved_to_Draft:Emmanuel_Ale"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarcGarver-20241106084500-You_sure_about_declining_the_U5_on_what_has_now_been_moved_to_Draft:Emmanuel_Ale"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241106094500-MarcGarver-20241106084500"></span>Yep, sure looks like someone writing a crap autobio to me, too. People write all kinds of those (we see them at AfC all the time). They're drafts. Crap drafts! But drafts. And drafts aren't eligible for U5. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241106094500-MarcGarver-20241106084500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241106094500-MarcGarver-20241106084500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241106094500-MarcGarver-20241106084500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241107123400-Asilvering-20241106094500"></span>I saw that at the time. I would have deleted per U5 and G11 instead of draftifying. I agree we sometimes are over zealous with U5's and would like to learn more about your approach. Best. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241107123400-Asilvering-20241106094500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241107123400-Asilvering-20241106094500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241107123400-Asilvering-20241106094500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241107135300-Deepfriedokra-20241107123400"></span>Maybe I should have just sighed and blocked that guy in particular for spamming, but in general my thinking is that if we're extending enough grace and good faith to someone that we're not going to make them eat an indef over their crap first edits, those edits don't deserve to be immediately summarily deleted either. Moving it to draft doesn't cost us much (only a bit more admin time than deleting), and it breaks the possibly desired "here is my linkedin profile" effect for the editor just as well as deletion. If they're a good faith editor making a genuine but foolish attempt at engaging with Wikipedia, they'll appreciate it. If they go to the AfC help desk or Teahouse in confusion, the non-admin reviewers/hosts will appreciate being able to see it (rather than having to say "I dunno, but it looks like your first try sucked so bad we set it on fire"). If they don't come back, it'll be resolved by G13 in six months, and if they refuse to get it and keep recreating their userpage, we can indef them and move on with our lives. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241107135300-Deepfriedokra-20241107123400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241107135300-Deepfriedokra-20241107123400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241107135300-Deepfriedokra-20241107123400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241107151900-Asilvering-20241107135300"></span>Thanks. Insightful. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241107151900-Asilvering-20241107135300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241107151900-Asilvering-20241107135300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241107151900-Asilvering-20241107135300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108024500-MarcGarver-20241106084500"></span>Hi there -- If you don't mind me butting in -- I'm keen to share admin perspectives on what to do with U5–G11 tagged pages in the light of the discussion of Fastily's U5 deletions. For example, <a href="/wiki/User:Billybilluk/Sample_page" title="User:Billybilluk/Sample page">User:Billybilluk/Sample page</a>, currently tagged G11, which I would probably generally delete G11 (but not U5), but I'm thinking (in the light of the above) you wouldn't? My feeling on some of these is that they overshare, and often give private information not only about themselves, but also relatives/friends/enemies. (This is particularly problematic with such pages from clear minors.) Anyway, interested in sharing views informally somewhere outside the Fastily petition. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espresso_Addict" title="User talk:Espresso Addict">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Espresso_Addict-20241108024500-MarcGarver-20241106084500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108024500-MarcGarver-20241106084500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108024500-MarcGarver-20241106084500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241108025400-Espresso_Addict-20241108024500"></span>FWIW, I have more stringent criteria for honoring CSD's than some. Not sure I would honor that one. I do not detag them 'cause I know i'm out of alignment with other admins. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241108025400-Espresso_Addict-20241108024500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:54, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241108025400-Espresso_Addict-20241108024500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241108025400-Espresso_Addict-20241108024500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108030500-Deepfriedokra-20241108025400"></span>That's very interesting to know, <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">Deepfriedokra</a>. What would drive me to delete it more than anything else is the names of all the subject's relatives. I tend to have three heaps when looking at G11: delete, grey area, decline, and am finding more and more that my personal grey area expands as I realise that there is a huge spectrum of response among admins. However, the great majority (though not all) of my grey-area G11s are later deleted by someone else, and some of my declines lead to conflict with patrollers (eg recently <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Posity_Online&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Posity Online (page does not exist)">Draft:Posity Online</a>), so I have been feeling rather out of step with community norms of late. <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espresso_Addict" title="User talk:Espresso Addict">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Espresso_Addict-20241108030500-Deepfriedokra-20241108025400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108030500-Deepfriedokra-20241108025400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108030500-Deepfriedokra-20241108025400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241108031200-Espresso_Addict-20241108030500"></span>I'm not so sure, @<a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">Deepfriedokra</a> - of course, there's going to be a wide variety of opinions when you ask any 800 Wikipedians about anything, but I think there might be more sympathy for the "don't delete" end of things than you think. I think what happens is that all of the less-deletionist admins stop taking the tags off because they get tired of being yelled at by patrollers. Which means that nearly <i>everything</i> that gets tagged will be deleted, since it will just sit until it finds an admin who will take it. We probably shouldn't be calibrating ourselves on "it got deleted eventually" if that's going to end in that admin getting hung out to dry over it.</dd> <dd>As for this example... ugh. I admit that I have found exceptions to my ability to extend grace and good faith, and two of those exceptions are "SEO professionals" and "up-and-coming Nigerian rappers". As a promotional userspace draft on an "up-and-coming Nigerian tech entrepreneur"... I twitch and let someone else handle it. Yes, I know this means it will be deleted. I feel slightly better for not having pulled the trigger. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241108031200-Espresso_Addict-20241108030500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241108031200-Espresso_Addict-20241108030500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241108031200-Espresso_Addict-20241108030500"></span> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108040000-Asilvering-20241108031200"></span>"I think what happens is that all of the less-deletionist admins stop taking the tags off because they get tired of being yelled at by patrollers. Which means that nearly </i>everything<i> that gets tagged will be deleted, since it will just sit until it finds an admin who will take it."</i> Indeed. And over time, those of us who started out being inclusionist,-user/draft-space-is-rarely-a-problem–type admins either turn away from deletion, or turn into deletion machines. I am more likely to intervene for things where I'm prepared to strip out overt promotion, but it's not clear whether that's ok in userspace. I'd certainly be offended if someone I didn't know came along and edited my sandbox drafts substantively. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espresso_Addict" title="User talk:Espresso Addict">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Espresso_Addict-20241108040000-Asilvering-20241108031200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108040000-Asilvering-20241108031200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108040000-Asilvering-20241108031200"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241108031500-Espresso_Addict-20241108030500"></span>Didn't think about all the other people named. Of course if there are minors involved, it needs oversight. Most of my Gray area CSDs get deleted. I learned very quickly after my return to just leave be. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241108031500-Espresso_Addict-20241108030500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241108031500-Espresso_Addict-20241108030500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241108031500-Espresso_Addict-20241108030500"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108040000-Deepfriedokra-20241108031500"></span>Deepfriedokra</a> Thanks. When to call for oversight is another thorny one; I have had most of my calls for oversight declined, too. <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espresso_Addict" title="User talk:Espresso Addict">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Espresso_Addict-20241108040000-Deepfriedokra-20241108031500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108040000-Deepfriedokra-20241108031500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108040000-Deepfriedokra-20241108031500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241108050500-Espresso_Addict-20241108040000"></span>under 14 yo seems to be the threshold. YMMV. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241108050500-Espresso_Addict-20241108040000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241108050500-Espresso_Addict-20241108040000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241108050500-Espresso_Addict-20241108040000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241108051500-Deepfriedokra-20241108050500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">Deepfriedokra</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a>: I've been told the threshold is 15/16 years and younger. I've also had most of my rejected requests for oversight rev-deleted instead. I strongly suspect there's a gray area. <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241108051500-Deepfriedokra-20241108050500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241108051500-Deepfriedokra-20241108050500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241108051500-Deepfriedokra-20241108050500"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108052300-I_dream_of_horses-20241108051500"></span>I dream of horses</a> I'm fairly sure I've been told that deleted articles even on quite young children (12–15) need not be oversighted unless there is clear identifying material such as telephone number, or some other reason for caution. But perhaps the oversighters all work independently as well. PS: Sorry to hijack your talk on this issue, Asilvering! Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espresso_Addict" title="User talk:Espresso Addict">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Espresso_Addict-20241108052300-I_dream_of_horses-20241108051500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108052300-I_dream_of_horses-20241108051500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108052300-I_dream_of_horses-20241108051500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241108053800-Espresso_Addict-20241108052300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> Perhaps I owe Asilvering an apology as well, since I was thinking about editors self-outing themselves (including but not limited to an autobiography).</dd> <dd>About <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">perhaps the oversighters all work independently as well</q>: I recently once sent something into User:Oversight, which apparently prompted a discussion aamong the oversighers as to whether or not it should be oversighted. It was oversighted during the discussion and remained oversighted. <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241108053800-Espresso_Addict-20241108052300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:38, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241108053800-Espresso_Addict-20241108052300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241108053800-Espresso_Addict-20241108052300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108054300-I_dream_of_horses-20241108053800"></span>The trouble with oversight, by its very nature, is that we mortals can't see what is oversighted and what isn't. <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espresso_Addict" title="User talk:Espresso Addict">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Espresso_Addict-20241108054300-I_dream_of_horses-20241108053800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108054300-I_dream_of_horses-20241108053800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Espresso_Addict-20241108054300-I_dream_of_horses-20241108053800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241108094200-I_dream_of_horses-20241108053800"></span>Huh, I think everything I've referred to OS for "minor outing themselves" reasons has been actioned. But then, my "this needs oversight" alarms didn't go off for that <a href="/wiki/User:Billybilluk/Sample_page" title="User:Billybilluk/Sample page">User:Billybilluk/Sample page</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241108094200-I_dream_of_horses-20241108053800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241108094200-I_dream_of_horses-20241108053800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241108094200-I_dream_of_horses-20241108053800"></span> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241109140300-Asilvering-20241108094200"></span>[Missed this...]</i> For clarity, I don't think there's anything that needs oversight in <a href="/wiki/User:Billybilluk/Sample_page" title="User:Billybilluk/Sample page">User:Billybilluk/Sample page</a> (which seems to have bounced back) but unsourced personal info of that sort I remove from mainspace all the time, and even in userspace drafts that look like autobios, the subject is unlikely to have got consent from relatives to mention them. You do have to read the whole thing as sometimes similar profiles mention conquering drug abuse or the like, or even make allegations of sexual abuse towards identifiable people. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espresso_Addict" title="User talk:Espresso Addict">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Espresso_Addict-20241109140300-Asilvering-20241108094200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241109140300-Asilvering-20241108094200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Espresso_Addict-20241109140300-Asilvering-20241108094200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241110192300-Espresso_Addict-20241109140300"></span>Yes, I would absolutely remove that stuff from mainspace articles. I end up having to do that kind of thing pretty often when accepting AfC drafts. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241110192300-Espresso_Addict-20241109140300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241110192300-Espresso_Addict-20241109140300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241110192300-Espresso_Addict-20241109140300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thank_you" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thank_you-20241106125100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thank_you-20241106125100"></span>Thank you<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thank_you-20241106125100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Thank you"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crafterstar-20241106125100-Thank_you"></span>Hello and thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Crafterstar" title="User:Crafterstar">Crafterstar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crafterstar" title="User talk:Crafterstar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Crafterstar-20241106125100-Thank_you" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crafterstar-20241106125100-Thank_you"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crafterstar-20241106125100-Thank_you"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241106161200-Crafterstar-20241106125100"></span>No problem. Good luck out there. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241106161200-Crafterstar-20241106125100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241106161200-Crafterstar-20241106125100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241106161200-Crafterstar-20241106125100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_to_Archive_conversations" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_to_Archive_conversations-20241106204500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_to_Archive_conversations-20241106204500"></span>How to Archive conversations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_to_Archive_conversations-20241106204500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: How to Archive conversations"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241106204500-How_to_Archive_conversations"></span>So,I just tested out my new signature on my talk page (because I thought it is the most logical place on Wikipedia to do so)it works just fine,so,since it is working i want to archive it <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions or Concerns?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">See how I messed up</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241106204500-How_to_Archive_conversations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241106204500-How_to_Archive_conversations"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241106204500-How_to_Archive_conversations"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241106204600-UnsungHistory-20241106204500"></span>I want to archive the signature test <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions or Concerns?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">See how I messed up</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241106204600-UnsungHistory-20241106204500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241106204600-UnsungHistory-20241106204500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241106204600-UnsungHistory-20241106204500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241107004600-UnsungHistory-20241106204600"></span>Do you need to archive it? You could simply remove it from the page. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241107004600-UnsungHistory-20241106204600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241107004600-UnsungHistory-20241106204600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241107004600-UnsungHistory-20241106204600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241107005200-Asilvering-20241107004600"></span>Well,Remove or Archive,I do not know how to Archive,and I am always eager to learn more Edit tricks!<a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions or Concerns?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">See how I messed up</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241107005200-Asilvering-20241107004600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241107005200-Asilvering-20241107004600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241107005200-Asilvering-20241107004600"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARCHIVE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARCHIVE"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241107005900-UnsungHistory-20241107005200"></span>WP:ARCHIVE</a> has info on how to archive talk pages in general. It can be confusing, but basically all you have to do is copy the code in the table "Sequentially numbered archives" under "ClueBot III" and paste it into the top of your user talk page. That will set up an automatic talk page archive. Once the bot runs the first time and generates you an archive page, you can just cut-and-paste the section you want to archive over onto it if you want to archive something early. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241107005900-UnsungHistory-20241107005200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241107005900-UnsungHistory-20241107005200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241107005900-UnsungHistory-20241107005200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241107021000-Asilvering-20241107005900"></span>Sorry if i may seem too pestering,but what does table "Sequentially numbered archives" under "ClueBot III" mean <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions or Concerns?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">See how I messed up</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241107021000-Asilvering-20241107005900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:10, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241107021000-Asilvering-20241107005900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241107021000-Asilvering-20241107005900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241107022200-UnsungHistory-20241107021000"></span>I'm trying to direct you to the right part of the page. Do a ctrl+f (or command+f or whatever) search for "Sequentially numbered archives" and you'll find it. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241107022200-UnsungHistory-20241107021000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241107022200-UnsungHistory-20241107021000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241107022200-UnsungHistory-20241107021000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241107024000-Asilvering-20241107022200"></span>This is strange....it shows 0/0 results.... <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions or Concerns?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">See how I messed up</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241107024000-Asilvering-20241107022200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241107024000-Asilvering-20241107022200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241107024000-Asilvering-20241107022200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft:Christoph_Lüthy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft:Christoph_Lüthy-20241107040800"><span id="Draft:Christoph_L.C3.BCthy"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft:Christoph_Lüthy-20241107040800"></span><a href="/wiki/Draft:Christoph_L%C3%BCthy" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Christoph Lüthy">Draft:Christoph Lüthy</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft:Christoph_Lüthy-20241107040800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Draft:Christoph Lüthy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20241107040800-Draft:Christoph_Lüthy"></span>Hello, Asilvering, </p><p>I see you are active on the project so I thought I'd ask you a question. I was looking at draft articles that were due for CSD G13 speedy deletion later tonight and saw that you commented upon this draft that you thought it should be accepted as an article. Do you think so? Enough that we should postpone this deletion? I rarely see comments like that on drafts that were abandoned so I thought I'd ask. Thanks. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Liz-20241107040800-Draft:Christoph_Lüthy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:08, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20241107040800-Draft:Christoph_Lüthy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20241107040800-Draft:Christoph_Lüthy"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241107041200-Liz-20241107040800"></span>Thanks @<a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz">Liz</a>, I'll try and fix it up. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241107041200-Liz-20241107040800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241107041200-Liz-20241107040800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241107041200-Liz-20241107040800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Yugoslav_Communist_Pirate_Party" data-mw-thread-id="h-Yugoslav_Communist_Pirate_Party-20241107161900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Yugoslav_Communist_Pirate_Party-20241107161900"></span>Yugoslav Communist Pirate Party<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Yugoslav_Communist_Pirate_Party-20241107161900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Yugoslav Communist Pirate Party"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-20241107161900-Yugoslav_Communist_Pirate_Party"></span>Can you find even one source for the <a href="/w/index.php?title=Yugoslav_Communist_Pirate_Party&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Yugoslav Communist Pirate Party (page does not exist)">Yugoslav Communist Pirate Party</a> or Komunistička Piratska Partija Jugoslavije? <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Fram-20241107161900-Yugoslav_Communist_Pirate_Party" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-20241107161900-Yugoslav_Communist_Pirate_Party"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-20241107161900-Yugoslav_Communist_Pirate_Party"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241107162500-Fram-20241107161900"></span>Fake ref's-- the hallmark of a hoax.😛 <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241107162500-Fram-20241107161900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241107162500-Fram-20241107161900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241107162500-Fram-20241107161900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241107162700-Fram-20241107161900"></span>Oops, made a talk page thread about this already. But, basically: their website does exist, so if it's a hoax, it's not just a hoax on our end. But since they appear to have just started existing (if this isn't a rather elaborate hoax), you might skip the prod and try G11 tbh. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241107162700-Fram-20241107161900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:27, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241107162700-Fram-20241107161900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241107162700-Fram-20241107161900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Pauletta_Brupbakher" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Pauletta_Brupbakher-20241107162300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Pauletta_Brupbakher-20241107162300"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">Speedy deletion</a> nomination of <a href="/wiki/Pauletta_Brupbakher" class="mw-redirect" title="Pauletta Brupbakher">Pauletta Brupbakher</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Pauletta_Brupbakher-20241107162300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Speedy deletion nomination of Pauletta Brupbakher"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-20241107162300-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Pauletta_Brupbakher"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>A tag has been placed on <a href="/wiki/Pauletta_Brupbakher" class="mw-redirect" title="Pauletta Brupbakher">Pauletta Brupbakher</a> requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#R3" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion</a>, because it is a recently created redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer, or other unlikely search term. </p><p>If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may <b>contest the nomination</b> by <a href="/wiki/Pauletta_Brupbakher" class="mw-redirect" title="Pauletta Brupbakher">visiting the page</a> and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies" title="Wikipedia:List of policies">Wikipedia's policies and guidelines</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Fram-20241107162300-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Pauletta_Brupbakher" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-20241107162300-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Pauletta_Brupbakher"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-20241107162300-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Pauletta_Brupbakher"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Pauletta_Brupbakher"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Pauletta_Brupbakher"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion-20241107163500"><span id=".22Pauletta_Brupbakher.22_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Pauletta_Brupbakher"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion-20241107163500"></span>"<a href="/wiki/Pauletta_Brupbakher" class="mw-redirect" title="Pauletta Brupbakher">Pauletta Brupbakher</a>" listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion">Redirects for discussion</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Pauletta_Brupbakher"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion-20241107163500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: "Pauletta Brupbakher" listed at Redirects for discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-20241107163500-"Pauletta_Brupbakher"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/30px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/45px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/60px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> The redirect <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pauletta_Brupbakher&redirect=no">Pauletta Brupbakher</a></span> has been listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion">redirects for discussion</a> to determine whether its use and function meets the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirect" title="Wikipedia:Redirect">redirect guidelines</a>. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_7#Pauletta_Brupbakher" title="Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 7">Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 7 § Pauletta Brupbakher</a></b> until a consensus is reached. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Fram-20241107163500-"Pauletta_Brupbakher"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-20241107163500-"Pauletta_Brupbakher"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-20241107163500-"Pauletta_Brupbakher"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh_(15:13,_8_November_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh_(15:13,_8_November_2024)-20241108151300"><span id="Question_from_Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh_.2815:13.2C_8_November_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh_(15:13,_8_November_2024)-20241108151300"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh" title="User:Kunchok Namgail Ladakh">Kunchok Namgail Ladakh</a> (15:13, 8 November 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh_(15:13,_8_November_2024)-20241108151300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Question from Kunchok Namgail Ladakh (15:13, 8 November 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh-20241108151300-Question_from_Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh_(15:13,_8_November_2024)"></span>I would like to ask a question regarding benefits here in Wikipedia while editing and doing changes in texts. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh" title="User:Kunchok Namgail Ladakh">Kunchok Namgail Ladakh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh" title="User talk:Kunchok Namgail Ladakh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh-20241108151300-Question_from_Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh_(15:13,_8_November_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh-20241108151300-Question_from_Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh_(15:13,_8_November_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh-20241108151300-Question_from_Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh_(15:13,_8_November_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241108155500-Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh-20241108151300"></span>Welcome to wikipedia, @<a href="/wiki/User:Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh" title="User:Kunchok Namgail Ladakh">Kunchok Namgail Ladakh</a>! Ask away. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241108155500-Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh-20241108151300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241108155500-Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh-20241108151300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241108155500-Kunchok_Namgail_Ladakh-20241108151300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User:MalakFayedEUI" data-mw-thread-id="h-User:MalakFayedEUI-20241109002200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User:MalakFayedEUI-20241109002200"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:MalakFayedEUI&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:MalakFayedEUI (page does not exist)">User:MalakFayedEUI</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User:MalakFayedEUI-20241109002200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: User:MalakFayedEUI"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241109002200-User:MalakFayedEUI"></span>Wanted to see what you think. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241109002200-User:MalakFayedEUI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:22, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241109002200-User:MalakFayedEUI"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241109002200-User:MalakFayedEUI"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241109002400-Deepfriedokra-20241109002200"></span>I would absolutely delete this one. My reasoning here is that ChatGPT doesn't have feelings and we wouldn't want it writing Wikipedia articles if it did anyway. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241109002400-Deepfriedokra-20241109002200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241109002400-Deepfriedokra-20241109002200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241109002400-Deepfriedokra-20241109002200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241109002700-Asilvering-20241109002400"></span>I'm passionate about deleting promotional autobiographies. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241109002700-Asilvering-20241109002400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241109002700-Asilvering-20241109002400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241109002700-Asilvering-20241109002400"></span></dd> <dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241109002700-Asilvering-20241109002400"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> I do have a concern about the fact that it's been recreated multiple times as a speedy-able userpage. If this were a draft or article, I'd absolutely nominate it for a salting, but it's a userpage. <span style="font-size:85%;">Courtesy ping to <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">Deepfriedokra</a></span> <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241109002700-Asilvering-20241109002400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241109002700-Asilvering-20241109002400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241109002700-Asilvering-20241109002400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241109003000-I_dream_of_horses-20241109002700"></span>Honestly, I don't think salting is a great idea most of the time, since that makes it harder for admins and patrollers to notice if something has been repeatedly recreated - that is, someone who wants to recreate an article can just slightly alter the title and go ahead, without it being obvious to anyone who didn't see the first one. Better to leave them as spam honeypots and block the spammers as they arise. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241109003000-I_dream_of_horses-20241109002700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:30, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241109003000-I_dream_of_horses-20241109002700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241109003000-I_dream_of_horses-20241109002700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241109003200-I_dream_of_horses-20241109002700"></span>Indeed on salt. Only me and <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Explicit" title="User:Explicit">Explicit</a>:</span>'ve deleted it. Many new users do not understand. There is always <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra#rDFO's_rule_of_thumb" title="User:Deepfriedokra">User:Deepfriedokra#rDFO's rule of thumb</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241109003200-I_dream_of_horses-20241109002700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241109003200-I_dream_of_horses-20241109002700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241109003200-I_dream_of_horses-20241109002700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241109004900-Deepfriedokra-20241109003200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">Deepfriedokra</a> and @Asilvering: I suppose you guys have a point. <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241109004900-Deepfriedokra-20241109003200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241109004900-Deepfriedokra-20241109003200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241109004900-Deepfriedokra-20241109003200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wild_Wing_close" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wild_Wing_close-20241109054600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wild_Wing_close-20241109054600"></span>Wild Wing close<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wild_Wing_close-20241109054600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Wild Wing close"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Born2cycle-20241109054600-Wild_Wing_close"></span>Would you please summarize the support and oppose arguments and counter-arguments you identified at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Wild_Wing#Requested_move_26_September_2024" title="Talk:Wild Wing">Talk:Wild Wing#Requested move 26 September 2024</a> and explain how you weighed them to find consensus to move? Thank you. —<a href="/wiki/User:Born2cycle" title="User:Born2cycle">В²C</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Born2cycle#top" title="User talk:Born2cycle">☎</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Born2cycle-20241109054600-Wild_Wing_close" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Born2cycle-20241109054600-Wild_Wing_close"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Born2cycle-20241109054600-Wild_Wing_close"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241109113500-Born2cycle-20241109054600"></span>It's pretty simple: the oppose side says that the threshold of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARYTOPIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARYTOPIC">WP:PRIMARYTOPIC</a> is met; the support side says it is not. As for weighing them: the support side has eight editors in favour; the oppose side has three. The oppose arguments were not found to be persuasive by the support side. The support side has arguments that counter the oppose side; the oppose arguments depend on ignoring those arguments <i>and</i> on insisting that our guidelines are more firm about this than they really are. It wasn't a close call. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241109113500-Born2cycle-20241109054600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241109113500-Born2cycle-20241109054600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241109113500-Born2cycle-20241109054600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_about_you_close" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_you_close-20241109170100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_you_close-20241109170100"></span>Question about you close<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_you_close-20241109170100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Question about you close"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109170100-Question_about_you_close"></span>Can you name a policy or guideline based keep argument that was made at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_Turkey" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of World War II weapons of Turkey">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of World War II weapons of Turkey</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User talk:Horse Eye's Back">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109170100-Question_about_you_close" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109170100-Question_about_you_close"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109170100-Question_about_you_close"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241109180800-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109170100"></span>Nope, sure can't. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241109180800-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109170100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241109180800-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109170100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241109180800-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109170100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241109181100-Asilvering-20241109180800"></span>🤔 <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241109181100-Asilvering-20241109180800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241109181100-Asilvering-20241109180800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241109181100-Asilvering-20241109180800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109184800-Asilvering-20241109180800"></span>Then how did we end up with a no consenus close? <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User talk:Horse Eye's Back">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109184800-Asilvering-20241109180800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109184800-Asilvering-20241109180800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109184800-Asilvering-20241109180800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241109185700-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109184800"></span>If you think it's appropriate to close an AfD with two keep votes, a redirect, a merge, and only a single affirmation for deletion as anything other than "no consensus", you're welcome to take it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRV">WP:DRV</a> for a sanity check. But I don't think that will get anywhere (though you may find it personally affirming). Sometimes you've just got to sigh, roll your eyes, and try again in a few weeks. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241109185700-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109184800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241109185700-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109184800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241109185700-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109184800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109231400-Asilvering-20241109185700"></span>So you're saying that there was no policy or guideline based deletion argument? I would also note that redirect and delete are the same thing in this context. <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User talk:Horse Eye's Back">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109231400-Asilvering-20241109185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109231400-Asilvering-20241109185700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109231400-Asilvering-20241109185700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241110132100-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109231400"></span>I did not say that. What I said was pretty clear: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">If you think it's appropriate to close an AfD with two keep votes, a redirect, a merge, and only a single affirmation for deletion as anything other than "no consensus", you're welcome to take it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRV">WP:DRV</a> for a sanity check.</q> Redirect and delete are absolutely <i>not</i> the same thing, though I will often count delete !votes as "would presumably be satisfied with a redirect" if they don't give any reason why it explicitly needs to be deleted or why a redirect is undesirable. In this case we <i>also</i> had two potential targets, with no later participants expressing a preference for either of them. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241110132100-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109231400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241110132100-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109231400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241110132100-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241109231400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110164000-Asilvering-20241110132100"></span>Why did you not do what you often do here? You still have not explained how you get to no consensus if there are only policy based arguments on one side. <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User talk:Horse Eye's Back">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110164000-Asilvering-20241110132100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110164000-Asilvering-20241110132100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110164000-Asilvering-20241110132100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241110192100-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110164000"></span>I did not do that because <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">In this case we also had two potential targets, with no later participants expressing a preference for either of them.</q> I found no consensus for deletion because I <i>saw</i> no consensus for deletion. I don't get to overrule 2/3 of the participants simply because I think they're not doing AfD "correctly". What I <i>can</i> do is close the discussion as no consensus, so that it can be relisted again soon for another try, if anyone is so inclined. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241110192100-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110164000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241110192100-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110164000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241110192100-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110164000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110201300-Asilvering-20241110192100"></span>Aren't you required to discount or disregard arguments which are not based in policy or guideline? <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User talk:Horse Eye's Back">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110201300-Asilvering-20241110192100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110201300-Asilvering-20241110192100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110201300-Asilvering-20241110192100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241110203100-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110201300"></span>If you think it's appropriate to close an AfD with two keep votes, a redirect, a merge, and only a single affirmation for deletion as anything other than "no consensus", you're welcome to take it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRV">WP:DRV</a> for a sanity check. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241110203100-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110201300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241110203100-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110201300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241110203100-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110201300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110221000-Asilvering-20241110203100"></span>That doesn't add up, you don't seem to be counting Conyo14 at all and "No compelling reason that it should exist." is affirmation for deletion... And you can't say its two potential targets when it says "for instance" <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User talk:Horse Eye's Back">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110221000-Asilvering-20241110203100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110221000-Asilvering-20241110203100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110221000-Asilvering-20241110203100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241110221400-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110221000"></span>If you think my close was inappropriate you are welcome to take it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRV">WP:DRV</a> for a sanity check. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241110221400-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110221000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241110221400-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110221000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241110221400-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110221000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110221900-Asilvering-20241110221400"></span>I can't know that unless you explain your close, which you haven't done if you haven't said how you accounted for Conyo14's contribution. You are also clearly wrong about there being two two potential targets as one is qualified with "for instance" meaning that it can't competently be interpreted as exlusive <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User talk:Horse Eye's Back">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110221900-Asilvering-20241110221400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110221900-Asilvering-20241110221400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110221900-Asilvering-20241110221400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:19.2em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:19.2em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div> <p><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241110222600-Question_about_you_close"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> Asilvering has been clear that they aren't changing their position, and that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRV">DRV</a> is an appropriate venue for further discussion. Please respect that boundary. <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241110222600-Question_about_you_close" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241110222600-Question_about_you_close"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241110222600-Question_about_you_close"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223000-I_dream_of_horses-20241110222600"></span>They're not at all being clear about that, but if thats what you want we can can all go to DRV. <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User talk:Horse Eye's Back">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223000-I_dream_of_horses-20241110222600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223000-I_dream_of_horses-20241110222600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223000-I_dream_of_horses-20241110222600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241110223400-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223000"></span>I've explained the close several times. You don't like the explanation; that's fine. You're not forced to like it. But I absolutely <i>have</i> explained it. I don't know why you, as the delete !voter, would want to fight it, since a no-consensus close leaves it open for relisting and deletion, but you're not forced to <i>accept</i> it, either. DRV has been open to you this whole time. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241110223400-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:34, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241110223400-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241110223400-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223900-Asilvering-20241110223400"></span>This is only the second or third time I've ever contested a close, if you had compentently explained your position we wouldn't be at DRV. You're insisted on providing the bare minimum that you think needs to be provided at each step of the process and I just don't get it. <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User talk:Horse Eye's Back">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223900-Asilvering-20241110223400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:39, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223900-Asilvering-20241110223400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223900-Asilvering-20241110223400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241110225300-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a>, the <i>first</i> relist comment said there was no consensus, there was a new type of !vote (for merge) following that one, it was again relisted as no consensus yet, and then you formalized the position you'd already taken at the beginning of the AfD. It was "no consensus" <i>the entire time</i>. I don't know how this outcome could possibly be a surprise. Again, I've said from the beginning that you're welcome to take it to DRV for a sanity check. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241110225300-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241110225300-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241110225300-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110225600-Asilvering-20241110225300"></span>I did, the notice is below. <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User talk:Horse Eye's Back">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110225600-Asilvering-20241110225300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110225600-Asilvering-20241110225300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110225600-Asilvering-20241110225300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_24carly_(10:21,_10_November_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_24carly_(10:21,_10_November_2024)-20241110102100"><span id="Question_from_24carly_.2810:21.2C_10_November_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_24carly_(10:21,_10_November_2024)-20241110102100"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:24carly" title="User:24carly">24carly</a> (10:21, 10 November 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_24carly_(10:21,_10_November_2024)-20241110102100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Question from 24carly (10:21, 10 November 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24carly-20241110102100-Question_from_24carly_(10:21,_10_November_2024)"></span>How do I add a biography here --<a href="/wiki/User:24carly" title="User:24carly">24carly</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:24carly&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:24carly (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-24carly-20241110102100-Question_from_24carly_(10:21,_10_November_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24carly-20241110102100-Question_from_24carly_(10:21,_10_November_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24carly-20241110102100-Question_from_24carly_(10:21,_10_November_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241110131500-24carly-20241110102100"></span>Hi 24carly, welcome to wikipedia! The short answer is, I'm afraid, that you don't. Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOBIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTOBIO">WP:AUTOBIO</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241110131500-24carly-20241110102100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241110131500-24carly-20241110102100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241110131500-24carly-20241110102100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You_forgot_to_move_the_talk_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-You_forgot_to_move_the_talk_page-20241110121100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You_forgot_to_move_the_talk_page-20241110121100"></span>You forgot to move the talk page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You_forgot_to_move_the_talk_page-20241110121100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: You forgot to move the talk page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IZAK-20241110121100-You_forgot_to_move_the_talk_page"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a>:</span> Hi, thank sfor your help with the <a href="/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Madagascar" title="History of the Jews in Madagascar">History of the Jews in Madagascar</a>. However, you forgot to move the talk page as well. Could you please fix that. Thank you so much! <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IZAK" title="User talk:IZAK">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-IZAK-20241110121100-You_forgot_to_move_the_talk_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IZAK-20241110121100-You_forgot_to_move_the_talk_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IZAK-20241110121100-You_forgot_to_move_the_talk_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241110131300-IZAK-20241110121100"></span>Weird. Thanks for letting me know! I've fixed that. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241110131300-IZAK-20241110121100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:13, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241110131300-IZAK-20241110121100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241110131300-IZAK-20241110121100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IZAK-20241110171600-Asilvering-20241110131300"></span>Thank you, <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IZAK" title="User talk:IZAK">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-IZAK-20241110171600-Asilvering-20241110131300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IZAK-20241110171600-Asilvering-20241110131300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IZAK-20241110171600-Asilvering-20241110131300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Can_you_help?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Can_you_help?-20241110172400"><span id="Can_you_help.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Can_you_help?-20241110172400"></span>Can you help?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Can_you_help?-20241110172400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: Can you help?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IZAK-20241110172400-Can_you_help?"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a>:</span> I was wondering if you could help out with another move of <a href="/wiki/History_of_Moroccan_Jews" class="mw-redirect" title="History of Moroccan Jews">History of Moroccan Jews</a> to the original title of <a href="/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Morocco" title="History of the Jews in Morocco">History of the Jews in Morocco</a> requiring admin help. See my statement at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:NAADAAN#History_of_the_Jews_in_Morocco" title="User talk:NAADAAN">User talk:NAADAAN#History of the Jews in Morocco</a>. In this case there was no <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM</a> and the user who made the change has apologized <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NAADAAN&diff=prev&oldid=1256521317">[2]</a> for making a move against the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONSENSUS">WP:CONSENSUS</a>. Thank you so much! <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IZAK" title="User talk:IZAK">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-IZAK-20241110172400-Can_you_help?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IZAK-20241110172400-Can_you_help?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IZAK-20241110172400-Can_you_help?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241110191600-IZAK-20241110172400"></span>oh for pete's sake. Ok, I've also move-protected the page. There's no good reason to move that without another RM anyway. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241110191600-IZAK-20241110172400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241110191600-IZAK-20241110172400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241110191600-IZAK-20241110172400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Minor_help_with_another_one" data-mw-thread-id="h-Minor_help_with_another_one-Can_you_help?-20241111013300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Minor_help_with_another_one-Can_you_help?-20241111013300"></span>Minor help with another one<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Minor_help_with_another_one-Can_you_help?-20241111013300"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Minor help with another one"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IZAK-20241111013300-Minor_help_with_another_one"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a>:</span> Thanks for all your help. Thank you for helping me with the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Cleanup" title="Wikipedia:Cleanup">Wikipedia:Cleanup</a> I am doing, fixing minor errors with articles in <a href="/wiki/Category:Jewish_history_by_country" title="Category:Jewish history by country">Category:Jewish history by country</a> as I discover minor inconsistencies that need fixing. Here's another one I just came across: <a href="/wiki/History_of_Jews_in_Somalia" class="mw-redirect" title="History of Jews in Somalia">History of Jews in Somalia</a> that needs to be moved to <a href="/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Somalia" title="History of the Jews in Somalia">History of the Jews in Somalia</a> because somewhere along the line someone changed it without any <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM</a> and it therefore needs to adhere to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONSENSUS">WP:CONSENSUS</a> arrived at, at <a href="/wiki/Talk:History_of_the_Jews_in_Abkhazia#Requested_move_5_June_2020" title="Talk:History of the Jews in Abkhazia">Talk:History of the Jews in Abkhazia#Requested move 5 June 2020</a> to KEEP the name/s "History of the Jews in ___" and to NOT change them, and at the recent decision at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Jews_in_Madagascar#Requested_move_1_November_2024" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Jews in Madagascar">Talk:Jews in Madagascar#Requested move 1 November 2024</a> to move such articles to their correct titles of "History of the Jews in (country)". Sorry for the bother and thanks again for all your help with this task! <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IZAK" title="User talk:IZAK">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-IZAK-20241111013300-Minor_help_with_another_one" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:33, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IZAK-20241111013300-Minor_help_with_another_one"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IZAK-20241111013300-Minor_help_with_another_one"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241111014000-IZAK-20241111013300"></span>Actually, it looks like this article post-dates those discussions and was created at this location and no one noticed the problem until now. Since it doesn't seem likely to be contentious I've gone ahead and done a page swap, but if someone reverts me, that won't actually be out of process - you'll have to set up a proper RM for that. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241111014000-IZAK-20241111013300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241111014000-IZAK-20241111013300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241111014000-IZAK-20241111013300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IZAK-20241111033600-Asilvering-20241111014000"></span>Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IZAK" title="User talk:IZAK">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-IZAK-20241111033600-Asilvering-20241111014000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:36, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IZAK-20241111033600-Asilvering-20241111014000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IZAK-20241111033600-Asilvering-20241111014000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="And_another_one" data-mw-thread-id="h-And_another_one-Can_you_help?-20241111033500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-And_another_one-Can_you_help?-20241111033500"></span>And another one<span data-mw-comment-end="h-And_another_one-Can_you_help?-20241111033500"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: And another one"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IZAK-20241111033500-And_another_one"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a>:</span> This one stands out like a sore thumb: <a href="/wiki/Georgian_Jews" title="Georgian Jews">Georgian Jews</a> should be <a href="/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Georgia_(country)" class="mw-redirect" title="History of the Jews in Georgia (country)">History of the Jews in Georgia (country)</a> as it originally was named. Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IZAK" title="User talk:IZAK">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-IZAK-20241111033500-And_another_one" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IZAK-20241111033500-And_another_one"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IZAK-20241111033500-And_another_one"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241111194000-IZAK-20241111033500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a>, can you open a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM</a> for this one? I don't think it's wholly uncontroversial. It's been at this title relatively briefly, but it looks like there's been dispute in the past over what the bit following "History of the Jews in..." ought to be. Along with the version you've suggested, there's <a href="/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Georgia" class="mw-redirect" title="History of the Jews in Georgia">History of the Jews in Georgia</a> and <a href="/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Republic_of_Georgia" class="mw-redirect" title="History of the Jews in the Republic of Georgia">History of the Jews in the Republic of Georgia</a> as possibilities, and presumably others that haven't been tried yet or that I haven't found. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241111194000-IZAK-20241111033500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:40, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241111194000-IZAK-20241111033500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241111194000-IZAK-20241111033500"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IZAK-20241111221800-Asilvering-20241111194000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a>:</span> Good idea. Would it be too much bother if I asked you to set up the RM, I have not done it myself in a very long time. Thanks so much, <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IZAK" title="User talk:IZAK">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-IZAK-20241111221800-Asilvering-20241111194000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IZAK-20241111221800-Asilvering-20241111194000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IZAK-20241111221800-Asilvering-20241111194000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241112205700-IZAK-20241111221800"></span>Ok, I've started the RM just now, and the bot will be by soon to do the rest. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241112205700-IZAK-20241111221800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241112205700-IZAK-20241111221800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241112205700-IZAK-20241111221800"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IZAK-20241114001400-Asilvering-20241112205700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a>:</span> Thank you so much for all your help. Much appreciated! <a href="/wiki/User:IZAK" title="User:IZAK">IZAK</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IZAK" title="User talk:IZAK">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-IZAK-20241114001400-Asilvering-20241112205700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IZAK-20241114001400-Asilvering-20241112205700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IZAK-20241114001400-Asilvering-20241112205700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DRV" data-mw-thread-id="h-DRV"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DRV"></span>DRV<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DRV"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: DRV"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deletion_review_for_List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_Turkey" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletion_review_for_List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_Turkey-20241110223200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletion_review_for_List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_Turkey-20241110223200"></span>Deletion review for <a href="/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_Turkey" title="List of World War II weapons of Turkey">List of World War II weapons of Turkey</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletion_review_for_List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_Turkey-20241110223200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: Deletion review for List of World War II weapons of Turkey"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223200-Deletion_review_for_List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_Turkey"></span>An editor has asked for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_Turkey" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review"><b>a deletion review</b></a> of <a href="/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_Turkey" title="List of World War II weapons of Turkey">List of World War II weapons of Turkey</a>. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. <a href="/wiki/User:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User:Horse Eye's Back">Horse Eye's Back</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horse_Eye%27s_Back" title="User talk:Horse Eye's Back">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223200-Deletion_review_for_List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_Turkey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223200-Deletion_review_for_List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_Turkey"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241110223200-Deletion_review_for_List_of_World_War_II_weapons_of_Turkey"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_with_Draft_Revisit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_with_Draft_Revisit-20241112014100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_with_Draft_Revisit-20241112014100"></span>Help with Draft Revisit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_with_Draft_Revisit-20241112014100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=44" title="Edit section: Help with Draft Revisit"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rea5145-20241112014100-Help_with_Draft_Revisit"></span>Hello! </p><p>I noticed you looked over my proposal draft for Glenner Anderon- Alaskan Radio DJ. I wanted to ask if you could help me with his early life location. He mentions much of the early life information on the podcast mentioned in the last paragraph. To add, I am his daughter, so many of these stories are fairly solidified both by witness and by his own word of mouth. Is there any way to cite that sort of information that has been discussed specifically on his podcast? Or should I delete his early life all together since its only an audio source? Thanks! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rea5145&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rea5145 (page does not exist)">Rea5145</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rea5145" title="User talk:Rea5145">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Rea5145-20241112014100-Help_with_Draft_Revisit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rea5145-20241112014100-Help_with_Draft_Revisit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rea5145-20241112014100-Help_with_Draft_Revisit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241112015200-Rea5145-20241112014100"></span>Audio sources are fine - you just need to cite them! A reader needs to be able to verify that the information in the article is correct, so the source needs to be something that a reader can get a hold of (and not "his daughter knows this"). But I admit I was hoping for a secondary source that would help us more clearly establish that he meets our notability guidelines (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NBIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NBIO">WP:NBIO</a>). Any secondary sources you can find would be of help there. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241112015200-Rea5145-20241112014100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241112015200-Rea5145-20241112014100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241112015200-Rea5145-20241112014100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Permission_removal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Permission_removal-20241112135500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Permission_removal-20241112135500"></span>Permission removal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Permission_removal-20241112135500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: Permission removal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BerryForPerpetuity-20241112135500-Permission_removal"></span>Hello <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a>:</span> </p><p>I'm requesting my <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PCR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PCR">pending changes reviewer</a> permission to be removed from me. I now realize don't review them enough to justify having them. You're really the only admin I know, hence the request going on your talk page. Thanks! — <a href="/wiki/User:BerryForPerpetuity" title="User:BerryForPerpetuity"><span style="download;font-family:Noto Sans Mono, Verdana">BerryForPerpetuity</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BerryForPerpetuity" title="User talk:BerryForPerpetuity"><span style="">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-BerryForPerpetuity-20241112135500-Permission_removal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BerryForPerpetuity-20241112135500-Permission_removal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BerryForPerpetuity-20241112135500-Permission_removal"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241112183200-BerryForPerpetuity-20241112135500"></span>Done! If you want them back, should be no problem to re-request. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241112183200-BerryForPerpetuity-20241112135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241112183200-BerryForPerpetuity-20241112135500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241112183200-BerryForPerpetuity-20241112135500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Transportation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Transportation-20241112153300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Transportation-20241112153300"></span>Transportation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Transportation-20241112153300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: Transportation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Denise_lussier-20241112153300-Transportation"></span>I am a single mother who is back in school. My daughter goes to Dean College in Franklin mass our car is no longer working. We could use all the help possible. I don’t want to have to have either one of us or both of us drop out of school because of a car. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Denise_lussier&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Denise lussier (page does not exist)">Denise lussier</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Denise_lussier&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Denise lussier (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Denise_lussier-20241112153300-Transportation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Denise_lussier-20241112153300-Transportation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Denise_lussier-20241112153300-Transportation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241112183900-Denise_lussier-20241112153300"></span>If Wikipedia is now operating a ride service, I could use a ride to and from the eye doctor's on December 16th. 🚙 <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241112183900-Denise_lussier-20241112153300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241112183900-Denise_lussier-20241112153300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241112183900-Denise_lussier-20241112153300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241112210200-Denise_lussier-20241112153300"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Denise_lussier&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Denise lussier (page does not exist)">Denise lussier</a>, I'm just here to help with questions about Wikipedia, I'm afraid, but it looks like there are options for students at Dean College through Gatra GO: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.gatra.org/gatra-go/">[3]</a>. You might also try contacting the Registrar at Dean (<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.dean.edu/academics/academic-resources/registrar/">[4]</a>) - they won't be able to help you directly but they should know what other services they have for students and how to refer you to them. Good luck. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241112210200-Denise_lussier-20241112153300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241112210200-Denise_lussier-20241112153300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241112210200-Denise_lussier-20241112153300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Shahray" data-mw-thread-id="h-Shahray-20241112205100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Shahray-20241112205100"></span>Shahray<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Shahray-20241112205100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: Shahray"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mellk-20241112205100-Shahray"></span>Hi Asilvering. Can you check <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Shahray#Suspected_sockpuppets">this</a> SPI if you have any spare time? This looks like an obvious <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DUCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DUCK">WP:DUCK</a> but I am not sure if I have missed anything else. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Mellk" title="User:Mellk">Mellk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mellk" title="User talk:Mellk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Mellk-20241112205100-Shahray" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mellk-20241112205100-Shahray"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mellk-20241112205100-Shahray"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241112213000-Mellk-20241112205100"></span>Oh dear. I wondered where they'd gone. I'm not inclined to duck-block but a CU will swing by for a look soon enough. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241112213000-Mellk-20241112205100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241112213000-Mellk-20241112205100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241112213000-Mellk-20241112205100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mellk-20241112213700-Asilvering-20241112213000"></span>No worries, thanks. Is it worth adding a CU request in this case? I never really ask for CU attention. <a href="/wiki/User:Mellk" title="User:Mellk">Mellk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mellk" title="User talk:Mellk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Mellk-20241112213700-Asilvering-20241112213000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mellk-20241112213700-Asilvering-20241112213000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mellk-20241112213700-Asilvering-20241112213000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241112214100-Mellk-20241112213700"></span>I'm no SPI expert, but I'd ask for one if it were me setting up the SPI. No one's told me off for that yet, anyway. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241112214100-Mellk-20241112213700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241112214100-Mellk-20241112213700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241112214100-Mellk-20241112213700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mellk-20241112215800-Asilvering-20241112214100"></span>Thanks, I have requested CU now. <a href="/wiki/User:Mellk" title="User:Mellk">Mellk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mellk" title="User talk:Mellk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Mellk-20241112215800-Asilvering-20241112214100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:58, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mellk-20241112215800-Asilvering-20241112214100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mellk-20241112215800-Asilvering-20241112214100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mellk-20241112222400-Mellk-20241112215800"></span>Sigh. Turns out there was another sock as well. I really hope I do not have to spend more time dealing with socks, I already spend more than enough time doing that. <a href="/wiki/User:Mellk" title="User:Mellk">Mellk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mellk" title="User talk:Mellk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Mellk-20241112222400-Mellk-20241112215800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mellk-20241112222400-Mellk-20241112215800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mellk-20241112222400-Mellk-20241112215800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-Protect_a_page_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-Protect_a_page_request-20241112222700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-Protect_a_page_request-20241112222700"></span>Semi-Protect a page request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-Protect_a_page_request-20241112222700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: Semi-Protect a page request"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241112222700-Semi-Protect_a_page_request"></span>So I was on <a href="/wiki/Allied_invasion_of_Italy" title="Allied invasion of Italy">the Allied Invasion of Italy (1943)</a> page,whilst searching for who said 17 september 1943 is the end date,I noticed a lot of revisions containing vandalism,the earliest i can find is <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&diff=next&oldid=34134904">here</a> there are way more I have found throughout the history of the page and nobody ever even SEMI protected it <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions or Concerns?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">See how I messed up</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241112222700-Semi-Protect_a_page_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:27, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241112222700-Semi-Protect_a_page_request"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241112222700-Semi-Protect_a_page_request"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241112223700-UnsungHistory-20241112222700"></span>There's no reason to semi-protect this page. It isn't edited very often. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241112223700-UnsungHistory-20241112222700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241112223700-UnsungHistory-20241112222700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241112223700-UnsungHistory-20241112222700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241112224600-Asilvering-20241112223700"></span>What does "edited very often" or "isn't edited very often" mean on wikipedia exactly? <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions or Concerns?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">See how I messed up</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241112224600-Asilvering-20241112223700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241112224600-Asilvering-20241112223700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241112224600-Asilvering-20241112223700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241112224900-UnsungHistory-20241112224600"></span>Like,what average timelength between edits is considered often <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions or Concerns?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">See how I messed up</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241112224900-UnsungHistory-20241112224600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241112224900-UnsungHistory-20241112224600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241112224900-UnsungHistory-20241112224600"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241112230600-UnsungHistory-20241112224900"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> <span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Pictogram_voting_oppose.svg/20px-Pictogram_voting_oppose.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Pictogram_voting_oppose.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_oppose.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Pictogram_voting_oppose.svg/40px-Pictogram_voting_oppose.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Declined</b> – Not enough recent disruptive activity to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Protection_policy" title="Wikipedia:Protection policy">justify</a> protection. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241112230600-UnsungHistory-20241112224900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241112230600-UnsungHistory-20241112224900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241112230600-UnsungHistory-20241112224900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241112231000-UnsungHistory-20241112224900"></span>I'm honestly not sure if there's a general rule, since it also comes down to things like how visible the page is and how bad the edits are. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SEMIGUIDE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SEMIGUIDE">WP:SEMIGUIDE</a> has some more info. On the article you've linked, the last 50 edits go all the way back to January of this year. Whatever is happening there, it's not urgent. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241112231000-UnsungHistory-20241112224900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241112231000-UnsungHistory-20241112224900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241112231000-UnsungHistory-20241112224900"></span></dd> <dd><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=844907130"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241113004100-UnsungHistory-20241112224900"></span>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=844907130</a>,<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=851044027">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=851044027</a>,<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=851044281">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=851044281</a>,<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=851044581">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=851044581</a>,<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=851044925">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=851044925</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions or Concerns?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">See how I messed up</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241113004100-UnsungHistory-20241112224900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241113004100-UnsungHistory-20241112224900"><span 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=34901941">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=34901941</a>,<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=34902036">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=34902036</a>,<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=34902125">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=34902125</a>,<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=34902232">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=34902232</a>,<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=34905806">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=34905806</a>,<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=34905835">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=34905835</a>,<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=34905998">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=34905998</a>,<a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=34906232">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allied_invasion_of_Italy&direction=next&oldid=34906232</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions or Concerns?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">See how I messed up</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241113005800-UnsungHistory-20241113004100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:58, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241113005800-UnsungHistory-20241113004100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241113005800-UnsungHistory-20241113004100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241113025300-UnsungHistory-20241113005800"></span>Yes, the page has been vandalised in the past. That happens to Wikipedia articles. It's part of being the encyclopedia anyone can edit. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241113025300-UnsungHistory-20241113005800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241113025300-UnsungHistory-20241113005800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241113025300-UnsungHistory-20241113005800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research-20241113001800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research-20241113001800"></span>Reminder to participate in Wikipedia research<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research-20241113001800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: Reminder to participate in Wikipedia research"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113001800-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"></span>Hello, </p><p>I recently invited you to take a survey about administration on Wikipedia. If you haven’t yet had a chance, there is still time to participate– we’d truly appreciate your feedback. The survey is anonymous and should take about 10-15 minutes to complete. You may read more about the study on its <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Research:Wikipedia_Administrator_Recruitment,_Retention,_and_Attrition" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Research:Wikipedia Administrator Recruitment, Retention, and Attrition">Meta page</a> and view its <a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Administrator_Experiences_2024_Survey_Privacy_Statement" class="extiw" title="wmf:Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Administrator Experiences 2024 Survey Privacy Statement">privacy statement</a>. </p><p>Take the survey <b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/294789?lang=en">here</a></b>. </p><p>Kind Regards, </p><p><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Research" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Research">WMF Research Team</a> </p><p><bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/User:BGerdemann_(WMF)" title="User:BGerdemann (WMF)">BGerdemann (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BGerdemann_(WMF)" title="User talk:BGerdemann (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113001800-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a> </bdi><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113001800-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113001800-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User:Hninsiphyutoxica" data-mw-thread-id="h-User:Hninsiphyutoxica-20241113154600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User:Hninsiphyutoxica-20241113154600"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Hninsiphyutoxica&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Hninsiphyutoxica (page does not exist)">User:Hninsiphyutoxica</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-User:Hninsiphyutoxica-20241113154600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: User:Hninsiphyutoxica"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RachelTensions-20241113154600-User:Hninsiphyutoxica"></span>Hey, heads up it seems like <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Hninsiphyutoxica&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Hninsiphyutoxica (page does not exist)">User:Hninsiphyutoxica</a> is operating a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LOUTSOCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LOUTSOCK">WP:LOUTSOCK</a> to avoid their topic block for the page <a href="/wiki/Nang_Khin_Zay_Yar" title="Nang Khin Zay Yar">Nang Khin Zay Yar</a>. </p><p>They uploaded <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:%E1%80%98%E1%80%BD%E1%80%B2%E1%80%B7%E1%80%9D%E1%80%90%E1%80%BA%E1%80%85%E1%80%AF%E1%80%B6_%E1%80%94%E1%80%BE%E1%80%84%E1%80%B7%E1%80%BA_%E1%80%94%E1%80%BE%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA%E1%80%B8%E1%80%86%E1%80%AE%E1%80%95%E1%80%94%E1%80%BA%E1%80%B8_%E1%80%A1%E1%80%94%E1%80%AE%E1%80%9B%E1%80%B1%E1%80%AC%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA%E1%80%99%E1%80%BB%E1%80%AC%E1%80%B8%E1%80%95%E1%80%94%E1%80%BA%E1%80%91%E1%80%AC%E1%80%B8%E1%80%9E%E1%80%B1%E1%80%AC_%E1%80%94%E1%80%94%E1%80%BA%E1%80%B8%E1%80%81%E1%80%84%E1%80%BA%E1%80%87%E1%80%B1%E1%80%9A%E1%80%BB%E1%80%AC_Red.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:ဘွဲ့ဝတ်စုံ နှင့် နှင်းဆီပန်း အနီရောင်များပန်ထားသော နန်းခင်ဇေယျာ Red.jpg (page does not exist)">this image</a> (again) to Commons, then added it to the article <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nang_Khin_Zay_Yar&diff=prev&oldid=1257163906">here</a>, and previously <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nang_Khin_Zay_Yar&diff=prev&oldid=1256507307">here, under a different IP in the same range</a>. </p><p>(ANI thread reminder in case you need to be reminded of the backstory: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1171#User:Hninsiphyutoxica" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1171">WP:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1171#User:Hninsiphyutoxica</a> <a href="/wiki/User:RachelTensions" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RachelTensions">RachelTensions</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RachelTensions" title="User talk:RachelTensions">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-RachelTensions-20241113154600-User:Hninsiphyutoxica" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RachelTensions-20241113154600-User:Hninsiphyutoxica"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RachelTensions-20241113154600-User:Hninsiphyutoxica"></span> </p> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241113160300-RachelTensions-20241113154600"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> I semi protected X 12 hours pending check by Asilvering. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241113160300-RachelTensions-20241113154600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241113160300-RachelTensions-20241113154600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241113160300-RachelTensions-20241113154600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241113165000-RachelTensions-20241113154600"></span>a;dlkfhadslf that is definitely not the result I hoped for with this experiment -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241113165000-RachelTensions-20241113154600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241113165000-RachelTensions-20241113154600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241113165000-RachelTensions-20241113154600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RachelTensions-20241113171500-Asilvering-20241113165000"></span>It's the thought that counts :)<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>I still have no idea what they're up to, dunno what's so special about a graduation photo of a Burmese model that warrants such cagey behaviour <a href="/wiki/User:RachelTensions" class="mw-redirect" title="User:RachelTensions">RachelTensions</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RachelTensions" title="User talk:RachelTensions">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-RachelTensions-20241113171500-Asilvering-20241113165000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RachelTensions-20241113171500-Asilvering-20241113165000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RachelTensions-20241113171500-Asilvering-20241113165000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241113185100-RachelTensions-20241113171500"></span>Well, I've altered the block on the account to be a mainspace-wide block and reset the autoblock. I don't really want to indefinitely semi-protect the article because this isn't harmful, exactly, it's just very stupid. And now we wait again, I guess. Any passing talk-page-stalking admins are welcome to take whatever action. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241113185100-RachelTensions-20241113171500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241113185100-RachelTensions-20241113171500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241113185100-RachelTensions-20241113171500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AFDs" data-mw-thread-id="h-AFDs-20241114082900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AFDs-20241114082900"></span>AFDs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-AFDs-20241114082900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: AFDs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20241114082900-AFDs"></span>Hello, asilvering, </p><p>I was just wondering what your reason was for closing some AFD discussion hours early. It didn't seem like there was disruption going on or a need to rush the process, it's not a race. These were not relisted discussions that are eligible to be closed early, they were just regular AFD discussions. I just thought you might have an explanation. Thank you. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Liz-20241114082900-AFDs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:29, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20241114082900-AFDs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20241114082900-AFDs"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20241114083200-Liz-20241114082900"></span>Here's an example of one but there were others tonight that were closed 5 or 6 hours early: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Battle_of_Kerh_(1516)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Kerh (1516)">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Kerh (1516)</a>. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Liz-20241114083200-Liz-20241114082900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20241114083200-Liz-20241114082900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20241114083200-Liz-20241114082900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241114160700-Liz-20241114083200"></span>Hm, I'm not sure why I closed that one early, since it only has two delete !votes. If you hadn't pointed that one out in specific, I'd have said that I was only closing the very snowy ones early (there were a bunch yesterday that had something like six delete !votes and really no possibility for a keep argument, let alone a successful one). That one is definitely an error. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241114160700-Liz-20241114083200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241114160700-Liz-20241114083200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241114160700-Liz-20241114083200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="UTRS_appeal_#96597" data-mw-thread-id="h-UTRS_appeal_#96597-20241114160200"><span id="UTRS_appeal_.2396597"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-UTRS_appeal_#96597-20241114160200"></span><span class="plainlinks"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://utrs-beta.wmflabs.org/appeal/96597">UTRS appeal #96597 </a></span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-UTRS_appeal_#96597-20241114160200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: UTRS appeal #96597"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241114160200-UTRS_appeal_#96597"></span>would it be possible for you to review and action this request? <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241114160200-UTRS_appeal_#96597" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241114160200-UTRS_appeal_#96597"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241114160200-UTRS_appeal_#96597"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241114162500-Deepfriedokra-20241114160200"></span>If I respond with "leave a comment", is that one of the green comments or a blue one? I've never touched UTRS before and haven't found any non-technical docs for it. Also, this is a <i>terrible</i> present. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241114162500-Deepfriedokra-20241114160200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241114162500-Deepfriedokra-20241114160200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241114162500-Deepfriedokra-20241114160200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241114170500-Asilvering-20241114162500"></span>The blue goes to the appellant, and there is a number of templates to choose from. The green are for us to discuss by. You are welcome.😛 <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241114170500-Asilvering-20241114162500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241114170500-Asilvering-20241114162500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241114170500-Asilvering-20241114162500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241114170700-Deepfriedokra-20241114170500"></span>Wonderful. My first ever post to UTRS is blank. Joining you on the old and senile crew. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241114170700-Deepfriedokra-20241114170500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241114170700-Deepfriedokra-20241114170500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241114170700-Deepfriedokra-20241114170500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241114170700-Deepfriedokra-20241114170500"></span>If you just leave a comment with a recommendation- restore TPA and carry tpWP:AN, decline, ban, etc, it would be a help. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241114170700-Deepfriedokra-20241114170500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241114170700-Deepfriedokra-20241114170500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241114170700-Deepfriedokra-20241114170500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241114170800-Deepfriedokra-20241114170700"></span>Thanks. I just cannot deal with him anymore. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241114170800-Deepfriedokra-20241114170700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241114170800-Deepfriedokra-20241114170700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241114170800-Deepfriedokra-20241114170700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241121035300-Deepfriedokra-20241114160200"></span>Hey @<a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">Deepfriedokra</a>, can I call in a "you owe me one"? <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheUzbek#Blocked_as_a_sockpuppet_2">[5]</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241121035300-Deepfriedokra-20241114160200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241121035300-Deepfriedokra-20241114160200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241121035300-Deepfriedokra-20241114160200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241121080400-Asilvering-20241121035300"></span>That sounds scary. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Deepfriedokra-20241121080400-Asilvering-20241121035300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241121080400-Asilvering-20241121035300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241121080400-Asilvering-20241121035300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241121081900-Deepfriedokra-20241121080400"></span>Nothing terrifying, just, uh, long. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241121081900-Deepfriedokra-20241121080400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241121081900-Deepfriedokra-20241121080400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241121081900-Deepfriedokra-20241121080400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You_were_generous._Thank_you." data-mw-thread-id="h-You_were_generous._Thank_you.-20241115092300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You_were_generous._Thank_you.-20241115092300"></span>You were generous. Thank you.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You_were_generous._Thank_you.-20241115092300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: You were generous. Thank you."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241115092300-You_were_generous._Thank_you."></span>I suspect no good deed goes unpunished! <a href="/wiki/Draft:Gayla_Kraetsch_Hartsough" title="Draft:Gayla Kraetsch Hartsough">Draft:Gayla Kraetsch Hartsough</a> has been edited rather than started afresh and remains, in my view, inappropriate since it was submitted after editing in a state which did not allow acceptance. More as a courtesy to you and your act of generosity, I declined it with a substantial rationale rather than go for my gust instinct which was to put it out of its misery. I have told the autobiographer that it was as a courtesy to them. My day is now full to the brim of courtesy. It was a good deed. I think you did the right thing for the right reasons. I often wonder why helping folk here backfires! 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Timtrent-20241115092300-You_were_generous._Thank_you." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:23, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241115092300-You_were_generous._Thank_you."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241115092300-You_were_generous._Thank_you."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241115161500-Timtrent-20241115092300"></span>I think it backfires more often than it helps, but I cling to that small % for whom it helps. And I try to remember that other people can read these interactions, and it forms their opinions on the site as a whole. Those silent readers who aren't causing problems can turn out to be good contributors. (<a href="/wiki/User:Clovermoss/Editor_reflections/1%E2%80%93100#User:asilvering_–_December_1,_2023" title="User:Clovermoss/Editor reflections/1–100">I was one of them.</a>) -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241115161500-Timtrent-20241115092300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241115161500-Timtrent-20241115092300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241115161500-Timtrent-20241115092300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AfD_Appeal" data-mw-thread-id="h-AfD_Appeal-20241115205600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AfD_Appeal-20241115205600"></span>AfD Appeal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-AfD_Appeal-20241115205600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: AfD Appeal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Louisvmark-20241115205600-AfD_Appeal"></span>Hello @asilvering, </p><p>I wanted to make a request about this AfD(Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Isaac Anderson (model) (XFDcloser) if it can be restored as things have changed significantly since it was last deleted. I noticed the reason it was deleted was because of the verifiability and independence of the sources. I found a list of reliable Ghanaian sources according to(https:en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Source_guide_discussions/Ghana) some of which has covered the subject significantly and in-depth. I hope you look into this and restore this article. <a href="/wiki/User:Louisvmark" title="User:Louisvmark">Louisvmark</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Louisvmark" title="User talk:Louisvmark">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Louisvmark-20241115205600-AfD_Appeal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Louisvmark-20241115205600-AfD_Appeal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Louisvmark-20241115205600-AfD_Appeal"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241115205800-Louisvmark-20241115205600"></span>Sure @<a href="/wiki/User:Louisvmark" title="User:Louisvmark">Louisvmark</a>, this was soft-deleted, so I can restore it and send it to userspace for you to work on it. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241115205800-Louisvmark-20241115205600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241115205800-Louisvmark-20241115205600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241115205800-Louisvmark-20241115205600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Louisvmark-20241116011000-Asilvering-20241115205800"></span>Thanks @asilvering for restoring it to my userspace. I have made all the corrections(including correcting promotional tones), can you check if everything is good and if it is move it to the mainspace?. <a href="/wiki/User:Louisvmark" title="User:Louisvmark">Louisvmark</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Louisvmark" title="User talk:Louisvmark">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Louisvmark-20241116011000-Asilvering-20241115205800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Louisvmark-20241116011000-Asilvering-20241115205800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Louisvmark-20241116011000-Asilvering-20241115205800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241116012400-Louisvmark-20241116011000"></span>I've moved it to draft for you - just hit the blue button to submit it for review if you think it's ready. I think it might be declined, but if that happens you will still be able to keep working on it and you can wait for more sources to come out, or go looking for if there are any you've missed. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241116012400-Louisvmark-20241116011000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:24, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241116012400-Louisvmark-20241116011000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241116012400-Louisvmark-20241116011000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="is_it_really_gonna_take_AT_LEAST_6_weeks_before_it_could_be_reviewed?" data-mw-thread-id="h-is_it_really_gonna_take_AT_LEAST_6_weeks_before_it_could_be_reviewed?-20241116010200"><span id="is_it_really_gonna_take_AT_LEAST_6_weeks_before_it_could_be_reviewed.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-is_it_really_gonna_take_AT_LEAST_6_weeks_before_it_could_be_reviewed?-20241116010200"></span>is it really gonna take AT LEAST 6 weeks before it could be reviewed?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-is_it_really_gonna_take_AT_LEAST_6_weeks_before_it_could_be_reviewed?-20241116010200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: is it really gonna take AT LEAST 6 weeks before it could be reviewed?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Draft:Utah_Constitutional_Sovereignity_Act,2024" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Utah Constitutional Sovereignity Act,2024"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241116010200-is_it_really_gonna_take_AT_LEAST_6_weeks_before_it_could_be_reviewed?"></span>Draft:Utah Constitutional Sovereignity Act,2024</a>,is the first draft that I have ever published,it says "This may take 6 weeks or more" <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions or Concerns?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">See how I messed up</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241116010200-is_it_really_gonna_take_AT_LEAST_6_weeks_before_it_could_be_reviewed?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241116010200-is_it_really_gonna_take_AT_LEAST_6_weeks_before_it_could_be_reviewed?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241116010200-is_it_really_gonna_take_AT_LEAST_6_weeks_before_it_could_be_reviewed?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241116012600-UnsungHistory-20241116010200"></span>It probably won't take 6 weeks. Most drafts are dealt with in under 24 hours; the rest are usually addressed within a week. But if yours still hasn't been reviewed by the time a week is up, yes, it might be as long as six weeks - at that point it becomes pretty random. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241116012600-UnsungHistory-20241116010200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241116012600-UnsungHistory-20241116010200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241116012600-UnsungHistory-20241116010200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241117234200-Asilvering-20241116012600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a>,I also now have a different question, there is something that is possible,but is there a legitimate use for that?namely:Go to an Article,press move,then under "new title:"there is a box,where you press and scroll,and one of the options is to convert it into a user page,like,annexing an article for yourself.... <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">Did I mess up?</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241117234200-Asilvering-20241116012600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241117234200-Asilvering-20241116012600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241117234200-Asilvering-20241116012600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241118020000-UnsungHistory-20241117234200"></span>Sure. It sounds like you're talking about the page move interface? You can move pages from one namespace to another. So for example, if someone asks for an article to be undeleted so they can work on it, I will undelete it and then move it to that editor's userspace so they can do that without it being deleted again before they're finished. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241118020000-UnsungHistory-20241117234200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241118020000-UnsungHistory-20241117234200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241118020000-UnsungHistory-20241117234200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft:Chrishantha_Abeysena" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft:Chrishantha_Abeysena-20241118053900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft:Chrishantha_Abeysena-20241118053900"></span>Draft:Chrishantha Abeysena<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft:Chrishantha_Abeysena-20241118053900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: Draft:Chrishantha Abeysena"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chanakal-20241118053900-Draft:Chrishantha_Abeysena"></span>cc: <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Dan_arndt" title="User:Dan arndt">Dan arndt</a>:</span> </p><p>Chrishantha Abeysena just sworn in as the new minister of Science and Technology, therefore the subject pass WP:POLITICIAN. However, I object this particular draft on the grounds of WP:UPE. I raised my concerns in this <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Sathilka/Archive" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sathilka/Archive">SPI</a> and with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mz7&diff=prev&oldid=1250745788">this admin</a>. A couple editors create bios of newly elected MPs, I would rather let such genuine editors create the article instead of dodgy editors. Regards, <span style="font-family: calibri;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chanakal" title="User:Chanakal"><b style="color: SteelBlue;">Chanaka L</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chanakal" title="User talk:Chanakal"><span style="color: Coral;">talk</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Chanakal-20241118053900-Draft:Chrishantha_Abeysena" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chanakal-20241118053900-Draft:Chrishantha_Abeysena"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chanakal-20241118053900-Draft:Chrishantha_Abeysena"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241118060400-Chanakal-20241118053900"></span>Wow. Published to mainspace immediately after I declined the G11, I see. Not a great look. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241118060400-Chanakal-20241118053900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:04, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241118060400-Chanakal-20241118053900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241118060400-Chanakal-20241118053900"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dan_arndt-20241118063500-Asilvering-20241118060400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Chanakal" title="User:Chanakal">Chanakal</a>:</span>, it's annoying when individuals use Wikipedia to promote themselves - requires an independent editor to create the article not the individual. <a href="/wiki/User:Dan_arndt" title="User:Dan arndt">Dan arndt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dan_arndt" title="User talk:Dan arndt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Dan_arndt-20241118063500-Asilvering-20241118060400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dan_arndt-20241118063500-Asilvering-20241118060400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dan_arndt-20241118063500-Asilvering-20241118060400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241118064200-Dan_arndt-20241118063500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Chanakal" title="User:Chanakal">Chanakal</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Dan_arndt" title="User:Dan arndt">Dan arndt</a>, and asilvering: It's likely that a recently sworn in politician would pass a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">WP:BEFORE</a> search a few hours after the swearing in. If so, in that situation, I often do a "tag-and-release." Put up the needful cleanup tags (which almost invariably include <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Sources_exist" title="Template:Sources exist">sources exist</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>), and otherwise let the article be...unless the UPE reverts the tagging without improving the article, which is objectively problematic. <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241118064200-Dan_arndt-20241118063500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241118064200-Dan_arndt-20241118063500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241118064200-Dan_arndt-20241118063500"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dan_arndt-20241118065000-Asilvering-20241118060400"></span>Comment</b>, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a>:</span> the individual created the draft on 9 October 2024, the election held on 14 November 2024 with the swearing in of elected members on 21 November 2024. The individual was clearly attempting to use Wikipedia at the time of creation as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFPROMOTION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SELFPROMOTION">WP:SELFPROMOTION</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Dan_arndt" title="User:Dan arndt">Dan arndt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dan_arndt" title="User talk:Dan arndt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Dan_arndt-20241118065000-Asilvering-20241118060400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dan_arndt-20241118065000-Asilvering-20241118060400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dan_arndt-20241118065000-Asilvering-20241118060400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241118065800-Dan_arndt-20241118065000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dan_arndt" title="User:Dan arndt">Dan arndt</a> <i>sigh</i> <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241118065800-Dan_arndt-20241118065000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241118065800-Dan_arndt-20241118065000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241118065800-Dan_arndt-20241118065000"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chanakal-20241118085700-I_dream_of_horses-20241118065800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dan_arndt" title="User:Dan arndt">Dan arndt</a>:</span>, <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a>:</span> I believe there is a UPE operation going on in the background. Here are my observations, <ul><li>Articles: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Prasad_Katulanda&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Prasad Katulanda (page does not exist)">Prasad Katulanda</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Thushara_Perera&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Thushara Perera (page does not exist)">Thushara Perera</a>, <a href="/wiki/Draft:Chrishantha_Abeysena" title="Draft:Chrishantha Abeysena">Draft:Chrishantha Abeysena</a>. All three are Sri Lankan medical doctors.</li> <li>One account, one article MO: All three accounts never have created a second article. This way they are evading SPI scrutiny.</li> <li>Bullet form texts: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Chrishantha_Abeysena&diff=prev&oldid=1250229592">initial version of Abeysena</a>.</li> <li>Bolding common terms.</li> <li>Extensive publication section (copying from Google scholar?)</li> <li>Magical appearing of head shot photos. <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dr.Prasad_Katulanda.jpg">portrait of Katulanda</a> vs <a href="/wiki/File:Thushara_Perera_receives_emerging_health_researcher_finalist_award_(cropped).jpg" title="File:Thushara Perera receives emerging health researcher finalist award (cropped).jpg">portrait of Perera</a> vs <span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:Error mw:File"><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=Professor_Chrishantha_Abeysena.jpg" class="new" title="File:Professor Chrishantha Abeysena.jpg"><span class="mw-file-element mw-broken-media">portrait of Abeysena</span></a></span> (deleted now). Looks like they have learned to Flickr-wash in Perera and Abesena instances.</li></ul></dd> <dd>User:Pharaoh of the Wizards have created <a href="/wiki/Krishantha_Abeysena" class="mw-redirect" title="Krishantha Abeysena">Krishantha Abeysena</a> yesterday, though it seems Chrishantha Abesena is the more common spelling. Can we now reject the Abeysena draft as an article already exists? Folks, also kindly keep an eye on new articles on Sri Lankan doctors as well. Regards, <span style="font-family: calibri;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chanakal" title="User:Chanakal"><b style="color: SteelBlue;">Chanaka L</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chanakal" title="User talk:Chanakal"><span style="color: Coral;">talk</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Chanakal-20241118085700-I_dream_of_horses-20241118065800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chanakal-20241118085700-I_dream_of_horses-20241118065800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chanakal-20241118085700-I_dream_of_horses-20241118065800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241118102700-Chanakal-20241118085700"></span>You might try SPI again with this new account. The last one was declined because the data was stale, but <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Drneuroscience">Drneuroscience</a></span> won't be stale to <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Prof._Chrishantha">Prof. Chrishantha</a></span>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241118102700-Chanakal-20241118085700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241118102700-Chanakal-20241118085700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241118102700-Chanakal-20241118085700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chanakal-20241118105100-Asilvering-20241118102700"></span>Thanks for the encouragement. Will do. Cheers! <span style="font-family: calibri;"><a href="/wiki/User:Chanakal" title="User:Chanakal"><b style="color: SteelBlue;">Chanaka L</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chanakal" title="User talk:Chanakal"><span style="color: Coral;">talk</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Chanakal-20241118105100-Asilvering-20241118102700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chanakal-20241118105100-Asilvering-20241118102700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chanakal-20241118105100-Asilvering-20241118102700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft:_Barre_Center_for_Buddhist_Studies" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft:_Barre_Center_for_Buddhist_Studies-20241118144400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft:_Barre_Center_for_Buddhist_Studies-20241118144400"></span>Draft: Barre Center for Buddhist Studies<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft:_Barre_Center_for_Buddhist_Studies-20241118144400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: Draft: Barre Center for Buddhist Studies"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stephentroy-20241118144400-Draft:_Barre_Center_for_Buddhist_Studies"></span>Question: is there any newspaper coverage? </p><p>Response: While there are the substantial profiles in magazines, I don't believe there is anything quite so extensive about the Center itself in a newspaper article. That is, it's not clear that there has been any major "news" about the Center that has occurred in the 30ish years of its operation. </p><p>The closest I can find is references to BCBS in newspaper profiles of people who are somehow connected to the Center: </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=7F4lAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA11&dq=%22Barre+Center+for+Buddhist+Studies%22&article_id=2630,1253722&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiinNakjuaJAxW95ckDHfmjEccQ6AF6BAgIEAI">https://books.google.com/books?id=7F4lAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA11&dq=%22Barre+Center+for+Buddhist+Studies%22&article_id=2630,1253722&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiinNakjuaJAxW95ckDHfmjEccQ6AF6BAgIEAI</a> </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=-V4lAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA16&dq=%22Barre+Center+for+Buddhist+Studies%22&article_id=535,3318393&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiinNakjuaJAxW95ckDHfmjEccQ6AF6BAgHEAI">https://books.google.com/books?id=-V4lAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA16&dq=%22Barre+Center+for+Buddhist+Studies%22&article_id=535,3318393&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiinNakjuaJAxW95ckDHfmjEccQ6AF6BAgHEAI</a> </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=BPdkAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA77&dq=%22Barre+Center+for+Buddhist+Studies%22&article_id=645,1301186&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiinNakjuaJAxW95ckDHfmjEccQ6AF6BAgKEAI">https://books.google.com/books?id=BPdkAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA77&dq=%22Barre+Center+for+Buddhist+Studies%22&article_id=645,1301186&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiinNakjuaJAxW95ckDHfmjEccQ6AF6BAgKEAI</a> </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=6l4lAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA18&dq=%22Barre+Center+for+Buddhist+Studies%22&article_id=1048,1058211&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiinNakjuaJAxW95ckDHfmjEccQ6AF6BAgJEAI">https://books.google.com/books?id=6l4lAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA18&dq=%22Barre+Center+for+Buddhist+Studies%22&article_id=1048,1058211&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiinNakjuaJAxW95ckDHfmjEccQ6AF6BAgJEAI</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Stephentroy" title="User:Stephentroy">Stephentroy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stephentroy" title="User talk:Stephentroy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Stephentroy-20241118144400-Draft:_Barre_Center_for_Buddhist_Studies" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stephentroy-20241118144400-Draft:_Barre_Center_for_Buddhist_Studies"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stephentroy-20241118144400-Draft:_Barre_Center_for_Buddhist_Studies"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241119175400-Stephentroy-20241118144400"></span>Hm, bummer. I was hoping there would be come kind of mention in a mainstream news outlet, since it would be easier to determine whether that met the guidelines at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INDEPENDENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INDEPENDENT">WP:INDEPENDENT</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241119175400-Stephentroy-20241118144400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241119175400-Stephentroy-20241118144400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241119175400-Stephentroy-20241118144400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stephentroy-20241119182100-Asilvering-20241119175400"></span>Yup, independence is indeed a concern! BCBS has no relationship to Tricycle, Lion's Roar, Inquiring Mind, Buddhistdoor Global, or the Journal of IABS. But since they all exist within the same broad industry, it's not clear they are independent in the relevant sense.</dd> <dd>One of the most independent sources I can find would be this transcript for the radio show, "On Being": <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150906155355/http://www.onbeing.org/program/transcript/7711">https://web.archive.org/web/20150906155355/http://www.onbeing.org/program/transcript/7711</a> . The mention there doesn't amount to much, so I didn't use it for the text of the draft (though, interestingly, the relevant section is already cited in <a href="/wiki/Abigail_Washburn" title="Abigail Washburn">Abigail Washburn's</a> wiki page).</dd> <dd>It may also be relevant that you can view BCBS on <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/223058493">Propublica</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://fredericklenzfoundation.org/barre-center-for-buddhist-studies/">Lenz Foundation</a>. The latter has enough information that I've added it as a citation to the draft.</dd> <dd>Does any of this help? <a href="/wiki/User:Stephentroy" title="User:Stephentroy">Stephentroy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Stephentroy" title="User talk:Stephentroy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Stephentroy-20241119182100-Asilvering-20241119175400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Stephentroy-20241119182100-Asilvering-20241119175400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Stephentroy-20241119182100-Asilvering-20241119175400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241119214200-Stephentroy-20241119182100"></span>Ok, I've spent a bit more time looking into the sources on the draft, and it looks to me like the only one that is fully independent and also significant coverage is the Lion's Roar piece (<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.lionsroar.com/profile-barre-center-for-buddhist-studies/">[6]</a>). So I think the better route forward for this information is to place it in <a href="/wiki/Insight_Meditation_Society" title="Insight Meditation Society">Insight Meditation Society</a> under a new section heading (as an editor with a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">WP:COI</a>, you'll need to use <a href="/wiki/Template:COI_edit" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:COI edit">Template:COI edit</a> to propose the edit, rather than making it yourself directly). Then what we can do is create a redirect page from <a href="/wiki/Barre_Center_for_Buddhist_Studies" class="mw-redirect" title="Barre Center for Buddhist Studies">Barre Center for Buddhist Studies</a> to that section heading. I understand that they're not the same organization, but that's fine - they're closely related enough to be covered in the same article.</dd> <dd>Before you submit an edit request, I'd advise rewording <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">BCBS endeavors to create a unique bridge</q>, as I expect that will be seen as promotional language by the editor who actions the request. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241119214200-Stephentroy-20241119182100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241119214200-Stephentroy-20241119182100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241119214200-Stephentroy-20241119182100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Stephentroy-20241120135000-Asilvering-20241119214200"></span>Alright, yes this is what I expected to happen, since I struggled to find the necessary sources. It's not an ideal solution, as you mention, but having a section within that other article is better than nothing! At least that will allow all the other mentions of the Center to link <i>somewhere</i>. Thank you for your time, your kind assistance, and the clear guidance for moving forward! 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If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:NoACEMM" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:NoACEMM">NoACEMM</a>}}</code> to your user talk page. <small><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119005000-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119005000-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119005000-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"></span> </p> </div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_about_topic_ban" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_topic_ban-20241119130300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_topic_ban-20241119130300"></span>Question about topic ban<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_topic_ban-20241119130300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=59" title="Edit section: Question about topic ban"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheNuggeteer-20241119130300-Question_about_topic_ban"></span>I've been wondering to apply (again) to be a pending changes reviewer. Do you think I should apply even though I have a topic ban? <code><a href="/wiki/User:TheNuggeteer" title="User:TheNuggeteer">🍗TheNugg</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheNuggeteer" title="User talk:TheNuggeteer">eteer🍗</a> (<i><a href="/wiki/User:TheNuggeteer/Guestbook" title="User:TheNuggeteer/Guestbook">My <b>"blotter"</b></a></i>) </code> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-TheNuggeteer-20241119130300-Question_about_topic_ban" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheNuggeteer-20241119130300-Question_about_topic_ban"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheNuggeteer-20241119130300-Question_about_topic_ban"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241119174600-TheNuggeteer-20241119130300"></span>No. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241119174600-TheNuggeteer-20241119130300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241119174600-TheNuggeteer-20241119130300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241119174600-TheNuggeteer-20241119130300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Block_user" data-mw-thread-id="h-Block_user-20241119224400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Block_user-20241119224400"></span>Block user<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Block_user-20241119224400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: Block user"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/66.108.60.54" title="Special:Contributions/66.108.60.54"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241119224400-Block_user"></span>66.108.60.54</a>,some distruptive editing <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">Did I mess up?</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241119224400-Block_user" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241119224400-Block_user"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241119224400-Block_user"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241119224800-UnsungHistory-20241119224400"></span>I mean,unconstructive <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">Did I mess up?</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241119224800-UnsungHistory-20241119224400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241119224800-UnsungHistory-20241119224400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241119224800-UnsungHistory-20241119224400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241119225400-UnsungHistory-20241119224800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a>, that's from 2023. We're not going to block an IP for that. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241119225400-UnsungHistory-20241119224800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241119225400-UnsungHistory-20241119224800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241119225400-UnsungHistory-20241119224800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241119230900-Asilvering-20241119225400"></span>oh,I though the edits are from 2024,I mis-saw that <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">Did I mess up?</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241119230900-Asilvering-20241119225400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241119230900-Asilvering-20241119225400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241119230900-Asilvering-20241119225400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241119231300-UnsungHistory-20241119230900"></span>If they were from January of 2024, that would still be really stale. We block people to protect the encyclopedia from disruption. If there isn't current disruption, we don't usually want to block. If you do find ongoing disruption, that's urgent, so please report it at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AIV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AIV">WP:AIV</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241119231300-UnsungHistory-20241119230900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241119231300-UnsungHistory-20241119230900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241119231300-UnsungHistory-20241119230900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241119231400-UnsungHistory-20241119230900"></span>I also know about <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlockList?wpTarget=209.250.175.169&blockType=&limit=50&wpFormIdentifier=blocklist">this block</a>,that came in late <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">Did I mess up?</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241119231400-UnsungHistory-20241119230900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241119231400-UnsungHistory-20241119230900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241119231400-UnsungHistory-20241119230900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Detailed_Source_(16:06,_20_November_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Detailed_Source_(16:06,_20_November_2024)-20241120160600"><span id="Question_from_Detailed_Source_.2816:06.2C_20_November_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Detailed_Source_(16:06,_20_November_2024)-20241120160600"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Detailed_Source&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Detailed Source (page does not exist)">Detailed Source</a> (16:06, 20 November 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Detailed_Source_(16:06,_20_November_2024)-20241120160600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: Question from Detailed Source (16:06, 20 November 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Detailed_Source-20241120160600-Question_from_Detailed_Source_(16:06,_20_November_2024)"></span>Good morning. I have drafted a detailed history and architectural summary for the existing wikipedia page, House at 230 Melrose Street. I plan to substitute a current photo of the property for the one that is displayed. I also hope to add a photo of the original owner and perhaps an undated image of the house showing features that have been removed over time. I would appreciate guidance, including review of the material that I've generated if that is feasible. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Detailed_Source&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Detailed Source (page does not exist)">Detailed Source</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Detailed_Source" title="User talk:Detailed Source">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Detailed_Source-20241120160600-Question_from_Detailed_Source_(16:06,_20_November_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Detailed_Source-20241120160600-Question_from_Detailed_Source_(16:06,_20_November_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Detailed_Source-20241120160600-Question_from_Detailed_Source_(16:06,_20_November_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241120173900-Detailed_Source-20241120160600"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Detailed_Source&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Detailed Source (page does not exist)">Detailed Source</a>, welcome to Wikipedia! I can't review anything that hasn't been published on the encyclopedia yet. It looks like this question is your only edit, so you may have forgotten to hit the "publish" button on a draft or in your sandbox? My advice is to simply add what you've written directly to the existing wikipedia article. If your edit is reverted for some reason, the editor who reverts it should give you a reason, which should help you understand what needs to be fixed or why it was unsuitable. If that happens and you don't understand what the other editor said, feel free to come back here and ask for a translation. Just in case, please also read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">WP:COI</a>. If you have a conflict of interest regarding this building, you don't want to be editing the article directly. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241120173900-Detailed_Source-20241120160600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241120173900-Detailed_Source-20241120160600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241120173900-Detailed_Source-20241120160600"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Detailed_Source&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Detailed Source (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241120181400-Asilvering-20241120173900"></span>Detailed Source</a> Just a quick note from someone who edits in this area: the main reason why additions to articles such as <a href="/wiki/House_at_230_Melrose_Street" title="House at 230 Melrose Street">House at 230 Melrose Street</a> do not get accepted is that they are (or appear to be) based on personal observations, rather than reliable sources. There's a few things about buildings that can be acceptable from observation (eg basic facts such as how many windows there are), but generally one needs to cite reputable sources such as newspapers, books or academic articles. Hope this helps, <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espresso_Addict" title="User talk:Espresso Addict">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Espresso_Addict-20241120181400-Asilvering-20241120173900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241120181400-Asilvering-20241120173900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Espresso_Addict-20241120181400-Asilvering-20241120173900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241120182700-Espresso_Addict-20241120181400"></span>Gosh, what a fascinatingly ugly house. Proof that the McMansion gene was always there, just latent, waiting for its epigenetic trigger. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241120182700-Espresso_Addict-20241120181400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241120182700-Espresso_Addict-20241120181400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241120182700-Espresso_Addict-20241120181400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241120183300-Asilvering-20241120182700"></span>It's fascinating -- you just don't get that kind of architecture in the UK, as far as I know. <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espresso_Addict" title="User talk:Espresso Addict">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Espresso_Addict-20241120183300-Asilvering-20241120182700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241120183300-Asilvering-20241120182700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Espresso_Addict-20241120183300-Asilvering-20241120182700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-108.26.210.215-20241120182600-Asilvering-20241120173900"></span>Thank you for replying promptly. I didn't understand the sequence of editing AFTER posting rather than before. I'll publish sometime later today.</dd> <dd>I understand about COI and believe that the material I've prepared is factual and well-sourced, but I'll be interested to learn whether anything is contrary to WP standards. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/108.26.210.215" title="Special:Contributions/108.26.210.215">108.26.210.215</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:108.26.210.215&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:108.26.210.215 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-108.26.210.215-20241120182600-Asilvering-20241120173900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-108.26.210.215-20241120182600-Asilvering-20241120173900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-108.26.210.215-20241120182600-Asilvering-20241120173900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241120182700-108.26.210.215-20241120182600"></span>Don't forget to log in when you edit! -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241120182700-108.26.210.215-20241120182600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:27, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241120182700-108.26.210.215-20241120182600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241120182700-108.26.210.215-20241120182600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Detailed_Source-20241120204100-Asilvering-20241120182700"></span>I was able to upload 3 images, but a filter is blocking the upload of my narrative because the format is .pdf. I created this because Microsoft Word format was prohibited. I've submitted an appeal, but don't know whether it is likely to help. Is there a format I should be using instead? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Detailed_Source&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Detailed Source (page does not exist)">Detailed Source</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Detailed_Source" title="User talk:Detailed Source">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Detailed_Source-20241120204100-Asilvering-20241120182700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Detailed_Source-20241120204100-Asilvering-20241120182700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Detailed_Source-20241120204100-Asilvering-20241120182700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241120211000-Detailed_Source-20241120204100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Detailed_Source&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Detailed Source (page does not exist)">Detailed Source</a>, by "narrative", do you mean the text you intend to add to the article? You simply add that directly, by clicking "edit" (or "edit source") and typing in your changes. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241120211000-Detailed_Source-20241120204100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241120211000-Detailed_Source-20241120204100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241120211000-Detailed_Source-20241120204100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241120211100-Asilvering-20241120211000"></span>I've left a welcome notice on your talk page that has some helpful links. You'll want to read all the ones under "getting started" before you make any other edits. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241120211100-Asilvering-20241120211000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241120211100-Asilvering-20241120211000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241120211100-Asilvering-20241120211000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_do_I_find_out_what_is_my_real_amount_of_edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_do_I_find_out_what_is_my_real_amount_of_edits-20241120225600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_do_I_find_out_what_is_my_real_amount_of_edits-20241120225600"></span>How do I find out what is my real amount of edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_do_I_find_out_what_is_my_real_amount_of_edits-20241120225600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: How do I find out what is my real amount of edits"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241120225600-How_do_I_find_out_what_is_my_real_amount_of_edits"></span>according to my main page I did less edits then my contributions special page says <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">Did I mess up?</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241120225600-How_do_I_find_out_what_is_my_real_amount_of_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241120225600-How_do_I_find_out_what_is_my_real_amount_of_edits"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241120225600-How_do_I_find_out_what_is_my_real_amount_of_edits"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241121001900-UnsungHistory-20241120225600"></span>Oh wait suddenly they are the same <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">Did I mess up?</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241121001900-UnsungHistory-20241120225600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241121001900-UnsungHistory-20241120225600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241121001900-UnsungHistory-20241120225600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241121035200-UnsungHistory-20241121001900"></span>and speaking of my contributions,a lot of them are getting reverted....Particularly the ones where I was trying to enforce the policies,such as removing irrelevant talk page stuff that is not about improving an article,including one uncivil comment I removed today at <a href="/wiki/Talk:United_States" title="Talk:United States">Talk:United States</a>,I do not get what I am doing wrong, <a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">UnsungHistory</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory"><span style="color: Purple">Questions?</span></a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory"><span style="color: red">Did I mess up?</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241121035200-UnsungHistory-20241121001900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241121035200-UnsungHistory-20241121001900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241121035200-UnsungHistory-20241121001900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241124003300-UnsungHistory-20241121035200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a> <span style="color: Purple"><a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory">Wrong</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory">Edit</a>!)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241124003300-UnsungHistory-20241121035200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241124003300-UnsungHistory-20241121035200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241124003300-UnsungHistory-20241121035200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241124010500-UnsungHistory-20241124003300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a>, please stop editing others' comments and spending so much time worrying about what is on talk pages to articles you're not even contributing to. We're here to build an encyclopedia, not to police each other. Find something you're interested in editing, and work on that. If you're having trouble finding something to do, let me know what kind of thing you're interested in and I'll help you find something. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241124010500-UnsungHistory-20241124003300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241124010500-UnsungHistory-20241124003300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241124010500-UnsungHistory-20241124003300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241124014900-Asilvering-20241124010500"></span>Yeah....Definitly having trouble of finding what to do....Also I have seen people remove comments (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:United_States&diff=prev&oldid=1255775262">this</a>,<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Russian_language&diff=prev&oldid=1254180279">this</a>,etc.) <span style="color: Purple"><a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory">Wrong</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory">Edit</a>!)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-UnsungHistory-20241124014900-Asilvering-20241124010500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241124014900-Asilvering-20241124010500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241124014900-Asilvering-20241124010500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241124020300-UnsungHistory-20241124014900"></span>You say on your userpage that you're a native speaker of Russian and you're interested in finding citations, so how about you go through the list <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Russia2.html#Unsourced%20passages%20need%20footnotes%20{{citation%20needed}}">here</a> and try to add citations to things that are missing? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241124020300-UnsungHistory-20241124014900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241124020300-UnsungHistory-20241124014900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241124020300-UnsungHistory-20241124014900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Igordavid2004_on_Wellington_Fund_(10:07,_21_November_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Igordavid2004_on_Wellington_Fund_(10:07,_21_November_2024)-20241121100700"><span id="Question_from_Igordavid2004_on_Wellington_Fund_.2810:07.2C_21_November_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Igordavid2004_on_Wellington_Fund_(10:07,_21_November_2024)-20241121100700"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Igordavid2004&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Igordavid2004 (page does not exist)">Igordavid2004</a> on <a href="/wiki/Wellington_Fund" title="Wellington Fund">Wellington Fund</a> (10:07, 21 November 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Igordavid2004_on_Wellington_Fund_(10:07,_21_November_2024)-20241121100700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: Question from Igordavid2004 on Wellington Fund (10:07, 21 November 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Igordavid2004-20241121100700-Question_from_Igordavid2004_on_Wellington_Fund_(10:07,_21_November_2024)"></span>Buenos días Estuve trabajando con una empresa de traíding comprando criptomonedas,se generaron unas ganancias,y ahora me piden una póliza de transacción con vuestra empresa y no sé si todo esto es verdad o es una estafa --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Igordavid2004&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Igordavid2004 (page does not exist)">Igordavid2004</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Igordavid2004&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Igordavid2004 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Igordavid2004-20241121100700-Question_from_Igordavid2004_on_Wellington_Fund_(10:07,_21_November_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Igordavid2004-20241121100700-Question_from_Igordavid2004_on_Wellington_Fund_(10:07,_21_November_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Igordavid2004-20241121100700-Question_from_Igordavid2004_on_Wellington_Fund_(10:07,_21_November_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241121124000-Igordavid2004-20241121100700"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Igordavid2004&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Igordavid2004 (page does not exist)">Igordavid2004</a>, you'll have to contact the company directly. Wikipedia has no connection to them. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241121124000-Igordavid2004-20241121100700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241121124000-Igordavid2004-20241121100700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241121124000-Igordavid2004-20241121100700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Riyaariyasharmars_on_Aditi_Rathore_(12:19,_22_November_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Riyaariyasharmars_on_Aditi_Rathore_(12:19,_22_November_2024)-20241122121900"><span id="Question_from_Riyaariyasharmars_on_Aditi_Rathore_.2812:19.2C_22_November_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Riyaariyasharmars_on_Aditi_Rathore_(12:19,_22_November_2024)-20241122121900"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Riyaariyasharmars&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Riyaariyasharmars (page does not exist)">Riyaariyasharmars</a> on <a href="/wiki/Aditi_Rathore" title="Aditi Rathore">Aditi Rathore</a> (12:19, 22 November 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Riyaariyasharmars_on_Aditi_Rathore_(12:19,_22_November_2024)-20241122121900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=64" title="Edit section: Question from Riyaariyasharmars on Aditi Rathore (12:19, 22 November 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Riyaariyasharmars-20241122121900-Question_from_Riyaariyasharmars_on_Aditi_Rathore_(12:19,_22_November_2024)"></span>I cant understand code language --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Riyaariyasharmars&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Riyaariyasharmars (page does not exist)">Riyaariyasharmars</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Riyaariyasharmars" title="User talk:Riyaariyasharmars">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Riyaariyasharmars-20241122121900-Question_from_Riyaariyasharmars_on_Aditi_Rathore_(12:19,_22_November_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Riyaariyasharmars-20241122121900-Question_from_Riyaariyasharmars_on_Aditi_Rathore_(12:19,_22_November_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Riyaariyasharmars-20241122121900-Question_from_Riyaariyasharmars_on_Aditi_Rathore_(12:19,_22_November_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241122234900-Riyaariyasharmars-20241122121900"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Riyaariyasharmars&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Riyaariyasharmars (page does not exist)">Riyaariyasharmars</a>, are you looking for <a href="/wiki/H:WT" class="mw-redirect" title="H:WT">H:WT</a>, maybe? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241122234900-Riyaariyasharmars-20241122121900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241122234900-Riyaariyasharmars-20241122121900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241122234900-Riyaariyasharmars-20241122121900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Detailed_Source_(21:56,_22_November_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Detailed_Source_(21:56,_22_November_2024)-20241122215600"><span id="Question_from_Detailed_Source_.2821:56.2C_22_November_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Detailed_Source_(21:56,_22_November_2024)-20241122215600"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Detailed_Source&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Detailed Source (page does not exist)">Detailed Source</a> (21:56, 22 November 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Detailed_Source_(21:56,_22_November_2024)-20241122215600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=65" title="Edit section: Question from Detailed Source (21:56, 22 November 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Detailed_Source-20241122215600-Question_from_Detailed_Source_(21:56,_22_November_2024)"></span>Thank you for providing guidance over the past few days. I worked in my Sandbox and generated about 3 pages of narrative with 3 embedded photos. My connection had timed out and the initial two attempts to Publish failed. I apparently succeeded on the third attempt, but don't see a way to check whether it is under review. Are you able to clarify the status of what I submitted? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Detailed_Source&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Detailed Source (page does not exist)">Detailed Source</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Detailed_Source" title="User talk:Detailed Source">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Detailed_Source-20241122215600-Question_from_Detailed_Source_(21:56,_22_November_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Detailed_Source-20241122215600-Question_from_Detailed_Source_(21:56,_22_November_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Detailed_Source-20241122215600-Question_from_Detailed_Source_(21:56,_22_November_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241122233400-Detailed_Source-20241122215600"></span>No, it's not under review. If you did put it up for review, it would be declined, because there's already an article on that house - you want to be editing <a href="/wiki/House_at_230_Melrose_Street" title="House at 230 Melrose Street">House at 230 Melrose Street</a> directly, unless you have a conflict of interest. Please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">WP:COI</a> - does this apply to you? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241122233400-Detailed_Source-20241122215600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241122233400-Detailed_Source-20241122215600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241122233400-Detailed_Source-20241122215600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Ox1899_(14:31,_24_November_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Ox1899_(14:31,_24_November_2024)-20241124143100"><span id="Question_from_Ox1899_.2814:31.2C_24_November_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Ox1899_(14:31,_24_November_2024)-20241124143100"></span>Question from <a href="/wiki/User:Ox1899" title="User:Ox1899">Ox1899</a> (14:31, 24 November 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Ox1899_(14:31,_24_November_2024)-20241124143100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=66" title="Edit section: Question from Ox1899 (14:31, 24 November 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ox1899-20241124143100-Question_from_Ox1899_(14:31,_24_November_2024)"></span>Hi there. I was wondering where I could find a shortened guide to copy editing? I've had a look at the main page and its all a bit overwhelming. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ox1899" title="User:Ox1899">Ox1899</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ox1899" title="User talk:Ox1899">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Ox1899-20241124143100-Question_from_Ox1899_(14:31,_24_November_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ox1899-20241124143100-Question_from_Ox1899_(14:31,_24_November_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ox1899-20241124143100-Question_from_Ox1899_(14:31,_24_November_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241124185300-Ox1899-20241124143100"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Ox1899" title="User:Ox1899">Ox1899</a>, welcome to wikipedia! Do you have previous copy editing experience, or are you new at it entirely? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241124185300-Ox1899-20241124143100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241124185300-Ox1899-20241124143100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241124185300-Ox1899-20241124143100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ox1899-20241124195700-Asilvering-20241124185300"></span>New to it entirely. I've had copy editing suggested as an entry level introduction to editing, but there's so much to take in on the help page. I've found sources for a couple of pages, but thats all I've done. <a href="/wiki/User:Ox1899" title="User:Ox1899">Ox1899</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ox1899" title="User talk:Ox1899">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Ox1899-20241124195700-Asilvering-20241124185300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ox1899-20241124195700-Asilvering-20241124185300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ox1899-20241124195700-Asilvering-20241124185300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241125042300-Ox1899-20241124195700"></span>Okay, in that case, my suggestion is that you adopt a particular backlog to work on. There's a big container category full of backlogs at <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_articles_with_style_issues_by_issue" title="Category:Wikipedia articles with style issues by issue">Category:Wikipedia articles with style issues by issue</a>. Some of these are more technical edits that are quick but require learning some particular new wiki-skill, but if you're game to try edits that might take a little longer, many of these are basically pleas for someone else to <i>rewrite</i> a lot of an article. It's way more "involved" than normal professional copy editing, but since you're not a pro, you won't have that hangup and you can just dig in as you please. (I promise, this is a strength!)</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_introduction_cleanup" title="Category:Wikipedia introduction cleanup">Category:Wikipedia introduction cleanup</a> is one of those that I think is particularly good for newbies to work on (some basic instructions on my userpage). <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_articles_with_plot_summary_needing_attention" title="Category:Wikipedia articles with plot summary needing attention">Category:Wikipedia articles with plot summary needing attention</a> will have a lot of articles marked as "plot too long" that need the plot summary to be condensed, which you can do whether you've read/watched the article subject or not. <a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_with_a_promotional_tone" title="Category:Articles with a promotional tone">Category:Articles with a promotional tone</a> might be a bit overwhelming, but you can also rest assured that basically <i>anything</i> you do to those articles will be an improvement. In all of these cases you don't need anything other than the writing/reading skills you already have, but <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WTW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WTW">WP:WTW</a> might be a useful one to read.</dd> <dd>There's a simplified version of the Manual of Style at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SMOS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SMOS">WP:SMOS</a>. Most of this isn't that important for you as a new editor - you'll learn how the MOS works by watching various gnomes and bots come by to fix up the pages you've edited. The only thing you really need to keep in mind that isn't intuitive is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ENGVAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ENGVAR">WP:ENGVAR</a>. Basically, don't change other editors' dialect, because it drives people crazy.</dd> <dd>Happy editing, and feel free to ask me if you have any other questions! -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241125042300-Ox1899-20241124195700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241125042300-Ox1899-20241124195700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241125042300-Ox1899-20241124195700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ox1899-20241125125000-Asilvering-20241125042300"></span>Excellent. Thanks so much for this. Ive added the main points to my user page and will start going through them. Much appreciated. <a href="/wiki/User:Ox1899" title="User:Ox1899">Ox1899</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ox1899" title="User talk:Ox1899">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Ox1899-20241125125000-Asilvering-20241125042300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ox1899-20241125125000-Asilvering-20241125042300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ox1899-20241125125000-Asilvering-20241125042300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You_got_me..." data-mw-thread-id="h-You_got_me...-20241126004800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You_got_me...-20241126004800"></span>You got me...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You_got_me...-20241126004800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=67" title="Edit section: You got me..."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241126004800-You_got_me..."></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Template:Self-trout" title="Template:Self-trout"><img alt="trout" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Rainbow_trout_transparent.png/20px-Rainbow_trout_transparent.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Rainbow_trout_transparent.png/30px-Rainbow_trout_transparent.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Rainbow_trout_transparent.png/40px-Rainbow_trout_transparent.png 2x" data-file-width="327" data-file-height="327"/></a></span> <b>Self-trout</b> at <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1259555559/1259586034" title="Special:Diff/1259555559/1259586034">this.</a> <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241126004800-You_got_me..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241126004800-You_got_me..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241126004800-You_got_me..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241126011900-I_dream_of_horses-20241126004800"></span>If that hadn't already been a redirect, I'd have made it one, haha. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241126011900-I_dream_of_horses-20241126004800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241126011900-I_dream_of_horses-20241126004800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241126011900-I_dream_of_horses-20241126004800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deletion_review_for_Anti-Russian_violence_in_Chechnya_(1991–1994)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletion_review_for_Anti-Russian_violence_in_Chechnya_(1991–1994)-20241126215300"><span id="Deletion_review_for_Anti-Russian_violence_in_Chechnya_.281991.E2.80.931994.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletion_review_for_Anti-Russian_violence_in_Chechnya_(1991–1994)-20241126215300"></span>Deletion review for <a href="/w/index.php?title=Anti-Russian_violence_in_Chechnya_(1991%E2%80%931994)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Anti-Russian violence in Chechnya (1991–1994) (page does not exist)">Anti-Russian violence in Chechnya (1991–1994)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletion_review_for_Anti-Russian_violence_in_Chechnya_(1991–1994)-20241126215300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=68" title="Edit section: Deletion review for Anti-Russian violence in Chechnya (1991–1994)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alaexis-20241126215300-Deletion_review_for_Anti-Russian_violence_in_Chechnya_(1991–1994)"></span>An editor has asked for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Anti-Russian_violence_in_Chechnya_(1991–1994)" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review"><b>a deletion review</b></a> of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Anti-Russian_violence_in_Chechnya_(1991%E2%80%931994)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Anti-Russian violence in Chechnya (1991–1994) (page does not exist)">Anti-Russian violence in Chechnya (1991–1994)</a>. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. <a href="/wiki/User:Alaexis" title="User:Alaexis">Alaexis</a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alaexis" title="User talk:Alaexis">¿question?</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Alaexis-20241126215300-Deletion_review_for_Anti-Russian_violence_in_Chechnya_(1991–1994)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alaexis-20241126215300-Deletion_review_for_Anti-Russian_violence_in_Chechnya_(1991–1994)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alaexis-20241126215300-Deletion_review_for_Anti-Russian_violence_in_Chechnya_(1991–1994)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20241126232400"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20241126232400"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20241126232400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=69" title="Edit section: A barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Therguy10-20241126232400-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Original_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Original_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Original_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Original_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Original_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Original_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Original_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Original Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Thank you for you helpful explanations regarding my Teahouse request! <a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therguy10" title="User talk:Therguy10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Therguy10-20241126232400-A_barnstar_for_you!_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Therguy10-20241126232400-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Therguy10-20241126232400-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241127004800-Therguy10-20241126232400"></span>Thanks, and good luck with the article! By the way, how are you finding that Suggested Links task on your homepage? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241127004800-Therguy10-20241126232400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241127004800-Therguy10-20241126232400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241127004800-Therguy10-20241126232400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Therguy10-20241127181700-Asilvering-20241127004800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">Asilvering</a> Oh thanks, even if it doesn't work out at least I'll get some extra practice editing! :) I'm not sure I quite understand your question...Are you referring to the <a href="/wiki/2017_Southern_Thailand_floods" title="2017 Southern Thailand floods">2017 Southern Thailand Floods</a> article? I'm not sure how much this answers your question, but on my homepage I had an "easy" filter selected to see articles to edit, and then something about suggested links to confirm. It was one of my suggested edits I think.</dd> <dd>[This article in particular, if I remember correctly, had me confirm some links that a bot thought was correct. (I normally try to avoid the copyedit tasks as I'm never sure if I copyedit right) Upon viewing the article, I found a bunch of errors that just drove me crazy lol. As you saw I went through the first half and fixed it up, and I hope to finish the second half soon.]</dd> <dd>If that wasn't your question just please rephrase it for me. I just don't understand I'm sorry :/ <a href="/wiki/User:Therguy10" title="User:Therguy10">Therguy10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therguy10" title="User talk:Therguy10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Therguy10-20241127181700-Asilvering-20241127004800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Therguy10-20241127181700-Asilvering-20241127004800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Therguy10-20241127181700-Asilvering-20241127004800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241127181800-Therguy10-20241127181700"></span>That was my question, and your answer was very helpful, thanks! -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241127181800-Therguy10-20241127181700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241127181800-Therguy10-20241127181700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241127181800-Therguy10-20241127181700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_3-20241127030100"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21_3"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_3-20241127030100"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_3-20241127030100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=70" title="Edit section: A barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20241127030100-A_barnstar_for_you!_3"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Editors_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Editors_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Editors_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Editors_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Editors_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Editors_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Editors_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Editor's Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">For putting together a varied list of areas new Nigerian editors can focus on. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Chipmunkdavis-20241127030100-A_barnstar_for_you!_3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20241127030100-A_barnstar_for_you!_3"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20241127030100-A_barnstar_for_you!_3"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241127063800-Chipmunkdavis-20241127030100"></span>Thanks. I hope it helps... -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241127063800-Chipmunkdavis-20241127030100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241127063800-Chipmunkdavis-20241127030100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241127063800-Chipmunkdavis-20241127030100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Comment_at_AN" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comment_at_AN-20241127091400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comment_at_AN-20241127091400"></span>Comment at AN<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comment_at_AN-20241127091400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=71" title="Edit section: Comment at AN"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Roe-20241127091400-Comment_at_AN"></span>I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1259817477">this</a> uses a slur and I would appreciate it if you would consider amending or self-reverting it. – <a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Roe" title="User:Joe Roe">Joe</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Roe" title="User talk:Joe Roe">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Joe_Roe-20241127091400-Comment_at_AN" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Roe-20241127091400-Comment_at_AN"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Roe-20241127091400-Comment_at_AN"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241127155500-Joe_Roe-20241127091400"></span>Sure. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241127155500-Joe_Roe-20241127091400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241127155500-Joe_Roe-20241127091400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241127155500-Joe_Roe-20241127091400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_from_Fantasticdukes_(13:27,_27_November_2024)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_from_Fantasticdukes_(13:27,_27_November_2024)-20241127132700"><span id="Question_from_Fantasticdukes_.2813:27.2C_27_November_2024.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_from_Fantasticdukes_(13:27,_27_November_2024)-20241127132700"></span>Question from <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Fantasticdukes&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Fantasticdukes (page does not exist)">Fantasticdukes</a> (13:27, 27 November 2024)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_from_Fantasticdukes_(13:27,_27_November_2024)-20241127132700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=72" title="Edit section: Question from Fantasticdukes (13:27, 27 November 2024)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fantasticdukes-20241127132700-Question_from_Fantasticdukes_(13:27,_27_November_2024)"></span>Can I ask why did we have a story of a tribe in West Africa black African race ODUDUWA was an African Yoruba man and he never came from MECCA, please edit this false narration my ancestors from Ile IFE are not from mecca. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Fantasticdukes&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Fantasticdukes (page does not exist)">Fantasticdukes</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fantasticdukes&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Fantasticdukes (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Fantasticdukes-20241127132700-Question_from_Fantasticdukes_(13:27,_27_November_2024)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fantasticdukes-20241127132700-Question_from_Fantasticdukes_(13:27,_27_November_2024)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fantasticdukes-20241127132700-Question_from_Fantasticdukes_(13:27,_27_November_2024)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241127155600-Fantasticdukes-20241127132700"></span>HI @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Fantasticdukes&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Fantasticdukes (page does not exist)">Fantasticdukes</a>, I'm afraid I have no idea what you're talking about. In any case you will need a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable source</a> to propose any changes to wikipedia articles. Can you tell me what article needs editing, and provide a source? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241127155600-Fantasticdukes-20241127132700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241127155600-Fantasticdukes-20241127132700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241127155600-Fantasticdukes-20241127132700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Content_from_a_deleted_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Content_from_a_deleted_article-20241128113600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Content_from_a_deleted_article-20241128113600"></span>Content from a deleted article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Content_from_a_deleted_article-20241128113600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=73" title="Edit section: Content from a deleted article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alaexis-20241128113600-Content_from_a_deleted_article"></span>Hi! As you've recommended in your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anti-Russian_violence_in_Chechnya_(1991%E2%80%931994)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Russian violence in Chechnya (1991–1994)">closing statement</a> to try "writing about it in relevant parent articles" could you copy the contents of the deleted article into my userspace? There were several good sources there that I intend to use. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Alaexis" title="User:Alaexis">Alaexis</a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alaexis" title="User talk:Alaexis">¿question?</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Alaexis-20241128113600-Content_from_a_deleted_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alaexis-20241128113600-Content_from_a_deleted_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alaexis-20241128113600-Content_from_a_deleted_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241128175800-Alaexis-20241128113600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Alaexis" title="User:Alaexis">Alaexis</a>, you'll find it at <a href="/wiki/User:Alaexis/Anti-Russian_violence_in_Chechnya_(1991%E2%80%931994)" title="User:Alaexis/Anti-Russian violence in Chechnya (1991–1994)">User:Alaexis/Anti-Russian violence in Chechnya (1991–1994)</a>. Cheers! -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Asilvering-20241128175800-Alaexis-20241128113600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241128175800-Alaexis-20241128113600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241128175800-Alaexis-20241128113600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alaexis-20241128205800-Asilvering-20241128175800"></span>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Alaexis" title="User:Alaexis">Alaexis</a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alaexis" title="User talk:Alaexis">¿question?</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Alaexis-20241128205800-Asilvering-20241128175800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 28 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alaexis-20241128205800-Asilvering-20241128175800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alaexis-20241128205800-Asilvering-20241128175800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="G11_in_draft_space" data-mw-thread-id="h-G11_in_draft_space-20241129100500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-G11_in_draft_space-20241129100500"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G11" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G11">G11</a> in draft space<span data-mw-comment-end="h-G11_in_draft_space-20241129100500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Asilvering&action=edit&section=74" title="Edit section: G11 in draft space"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justlettersandnumbers-20241129100500-G11_in_draft_space"></span>Hi, Asilvering, how are you? Could you expand a bit on your G11-decline edit summary <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1260112735" title="Special:Diff/1260112735">here</a> for me? Because I know it's in draft space, but also know that it's unambiguous spam, and am pretty sure that G11 applies in draft space as elsewhere (does it not?). Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Justlettersandnumbers" title="User:Justlettersandnumbers">Justlettersandnumbers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justlettersandnumbers" title="User talk:Justlettersandnumbers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering#c-Justlettersandnumbers-20241129100500-G11_in_draft_space" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justlettersandnumbers-20241129100500-G11_in_draft_space"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justlettersandnumbers-20241129100500-G11_in_draft_space"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241129172800-Justlettersandnumbers-20241129100500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Justlettersandnumbers" title="User:Justlettersandnumbers">Justlettersandnumbers</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G11" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G11">WP:G11</a> applies in draftspace too, yeah, but since draftspace is where you're <i>supposed</i> to work on articles if you don't know what you're doing, you have a COI, etc, the bar for deletion there as G11 should (imo) be a lot higher than what we'd apply in mainspace. Actually, I wouldn't call this one unambiguous spam, either, since the "Further reading" section with links to actual news articles rather than spam links implies to me that the editor who created it really is trying to make a Wikipedia article. 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