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color:white;"></td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td style="background:#99cc00;"></td> <td bgcolor="lightpink">LOW</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="tomato">OUT</td> <td bgcolor="darkgray"> </td></tr> <tr> <td><b>Susan</b> </td> <td style="background:#ff6600; color:white;"></td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td style="background:#99cc00;"></td> <td bgcolor="lightpink">LOW</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="lightpink">LOW</td> <td bgcolor="tomato">OUT</td> <td bgcolor="darkgray" colspan="2"> </td></tr> <tr> <td><b>Sean</b> </td> <td style="background:#ff6600; color:white;"></td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td style="background:#99cc00;"></td> <td>SAFE</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="lightpink">LOW</td> <td bgcolor="lightpink">LOW</td> <td bgcolor="lightpink">LOW</td> <td bgcolor="tomato">OUT</td> <td bgcolor="darkgray" colspan="3"> </td></tr> <tr> <td><b>Colleen</b> </td> <td style="background:#ffff00;"></td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td style="background:#99cc00;"></td> <td bgcolor="lightpink">LOW</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="tomato">OUT</td> <td bgcolor="darkgray" colspan="4"> </td></tr> <tr> <td><b>Gervase</b> </td> <td style="background:#ffff00;"></td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td style="background:#99cc00;"></td> <td bgcolor="lightpink">LOW</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="tomato">OUT</td> <td bgcolor="darkgray" colspan="5"> </td></tr> <tr> <td><b>Jenna</b> </td> <td style="background:#ffff00;"></td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td bgcolor="lightpink">LOW</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td bgcolor="lightpink">LOW</td> <td style="background:#99cc00;"></td> <td bgcolor="lightpink">LOW</td> <td bgcolor="lightpink">LOW</td> <td bgcolor="tomato">OUT</td> <td bgcolor="darkgray" colspan="6"> </td></tr> <tr> <td><b>Greg</b> </td> <td style="background:#ffff00;"></td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td style="background:#99cc00;"></td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td bgcolor="tomato">OUT</td> <td bgcolor="darkgray" colspan="7"> </td></tr> <tr> <td><b>Gretchen</b> </td> <td style="background:#ffff00;"></td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td style="background:#99cc00;"></td> <td bgcolor="tomato">OUT</td> <td bgcolor="darkgray" colspan="8"> </td></tr> <tr> <td><b>Joel</b> </td> <td style="background:#ffff00;"></td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td>SAFE</td> <td bgcolor="deepskyblue">WIN</td> <td bgcolor="tomato">OUT</td> <td bgcolor="darkgray" colspan="10"> </td></tr> <tr> <td><b>Drik</b> </td> <td style="background:#ff6600; 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color:black;border:1px solid darkgray;"> </span> The castaway won <i>Survivor: Borneo</i>.</dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r981673959"><span class="legend-color mw-no-invert" style="background-color:silver; color:black;border:1px solid darkgray;"> </span> The castaway was a runner-up.</dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r981673959"><span class="legend-color mw-no-invert" style="background-color:deepskyblue; color:black;border:1px solid darkgray;"> </span> The castaway(s) won the immunity challenge and was safe from Tribal Council.</dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r981673959"><span class="legend-color mw-no-invert" style="background-color:white; color:black;border:1px solid darkgray;"> </span> The castaway(s) lost the immunity challenge but was safe at Tribal Council.</dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r981673959"><span class="legend-color mw-no-invert" style="background-color:lightpink; color:black;border:1px solid darkgray;"> </span> The castaway(s) received votes or was at risk at being voted out at Tribal Council.</dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r981673959"><span class="legend-color mw-no-invert" style="background-color:red; color:black;border:1px solid darkgray;"> </span> The contestant was voted out.</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Survivor_jury_vote_table_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Survivor_jury_vote_table_discussion-2021-04-29T16:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Survivor_jury_vote_table_discussion-2021-04-29T16:37:00.000Z"></span>Survivor jury vote table discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Survivor_jury_vote_table_discussion-2021-04-29T16:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Survivor:_Borneo&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Survivor jury vote table discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schazjmd-2021-04-29T16:37:00.000Z-Survivor_jury_vote_table_discussion"></span>There is a proposal at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television/Survivor_task_force#Jury_vote_tables" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Survivor task force">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Survivor task force#Jury vote tables</a> to list the vote totals in the same order as the names in the finalist row immediately above the vote totals. All interested editors are invited to join that discussion. <small>Since the Survivor task force appears to be inactive, I'm notifying <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television/Reality_television_task_force" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Reality television task force">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Reality television task force</a> and the talk pages for each Survivor season in order to reach interested editors.</small> <a href="/wiki/User:Schazjmd" title="User:Schazjmd"><span style="color:#9966FF;">Schazjmd</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schazjmd" title="User talk:Schazjmd"><span style="color:#5500FF;"><i>(talk)</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Schazjmd-2021-04-29T16:37:00.000Z-Survivor_jury_vote_table_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 29 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schazjmd-2021-04-29T16:37:00.000Z-Survivor_jury_vote_table_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schazjmd-2021-04-29T16:37:00.000Z-Survivor_jury_vote_table_discussion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_Table_Layout" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_Table_Layout-2022-03-30T23:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_Table_Layout-2022-03-30T23:38:00.000Z"></span>New Table Layout<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_Table_Layout-2022-03-30T23:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Survivor:_Borneo&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: New Table Layout"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NintendoGeek-2022-03-30T23:38:00.000Z-New_Table_Layout"></span>Does anyone else agree that the new table layout for contestants, season summary, and voting history are very unpleasing to the eye? The way that they were previously looked way better. Thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:NintendoGeek" title="User:NintendoGeek">NintendoGeek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NintendoGeek" title="User talk:NintendoGeek">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-NintendoGeek-2022-03-30T23:38:00.000Z-New_Table_Layout" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:38, 30 March 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NintendoGeek-2022-03-30T23:38:00.000Z-New_Table_Layout"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NintendoGeek-2022-03-30T23:38:00.000Z-New_Table_Layout"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_new_Voting_History_charts_are_terrible." data-mw-thread-id="h-The_new_Voting_History_charts_are_terrible.-2022-04-30T22:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_new_Voting_History_charts_are_terrible.-2022-04-30T22:59:00.000Z"></span>The new Voting History charts are terrible.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_new_Voting_History_charts_are_terrible.-2022-04-30T22:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Survivor:_Borneo&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: The new Voting History charts are terrible."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-78.152.207.254-2022-04-30T22:59:00.000Z-The_new_Voting_History_charts_are_terrible."></span>The charts were completely fine before. Nothing needed to be changed AT ALL. Who decided this was a good idea? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.152.207.254" title="Special:Contributions/78.152.207.254">78.152.207.254</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:78.152.207.254&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:78.152.207.254 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-78.152.207.254-2022-04-30T22:59:00.000Z-The_new_Voting_History_charts_are_terrible." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:59, 30 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-78.152.207.254-2022-04-30T22:59:00.000Z-The_new_Voting_History_charts_are_terrible."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-78.152.207.254-2022-04-30T22:59:00.000Z-The_new_Voting_History_charts_are_terrible."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Masem-2022-04-30T23:00:00.000Z-78.152.207.254-2022-04-30T22:59:00.000Z"></span>The old charts failed <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ACCESS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ACCESS">accessibility requirements</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOS">WP:MOS</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Masem" title="User:Masem">M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Masem" title="User talk:Masem">t</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Masem-2022-04-30T23:00:00.000Z-78.152.207.254-2022-04-30T22:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 30 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Masem-2022-04-30T23:00:00.000Z-78.152.207.254-2022-04-30T22:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Masem-2022-04-30T23:00:00.000Z-78.152.207.254-2022-04-30T22:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-110.174.21.178-2022-05-01T05:10:00.000Z-Masem-2022-04-30T23:00:00.000Z"></span>It looked perfectly fine before, but go off ig <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/110.174.21.178" title="Special:Contributions/110.174.21.178">110.174.21.178</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:110.174.21.178&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:110.174.21.178 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-110.174.21.178-2022-05-01T05:10:00.000Z-Masem-2022-04-30T23:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:10, 1 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-110.174.21.178-2022-05-01T05:10:00.000Z-Masem-2022-04-30T23:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-110.174.21.178-2022-05-01T05:10:00.000Z-Masem-2022-04-30T23:00:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Coloradohusky-2022-05-02T01:59:00.000Z-Masem-2022-04-30T23:00:00.000Z"></span>May I ask which requirement(s) failed, and which part(s) of the Manual of Style failed? I would have to agree that, not only did the old charts look better, they also were much more readable. These changes (as well as changing from the logo to the DVD slipcase cover) feel unnecessary, and detrimental to the overall quality of the Survivor articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Coloradohusky" title="User:Coloradohusky">Coloradohusky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Coloradohusky" title="User talk:Coloradohusky">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Coloradohusky-2022-05-02T01:59:00.000Z-Masem-2022-04-30T23:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:59, 2 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Coloradohusky-2022-05-02T01:59:00.000Z-Masem-2022-04-30T23:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Coloradohusky-2022-05-02T01:59:00.000Z-Masem-2022-04-30T23:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnbornCletus-2022-04-30T23:10:00.000Z-The_new_Voting_History_charts_are_terrible."></span>Sounds false but ok <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:UnbornCletus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:UnbornCletus (page does not exist)">UnbornCletus</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:UnbornCletus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:UnbornCletus (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-UnbornCletus-2022-04-30T23:10:00.000Z-The_new_Voting_History_charts_are_terrible." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 30 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnbornCletus-2022-04-30T23:10:00.000Z-The_new_Voting_History_charts_are_terrible."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnbornCletus-2022-04-30T23:10:00.000Z-The_new_Voting_History_charts_are_terrible."></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SeosiWrestling-2022-05-23T02:48:00.000Z-The_new_Voting_History_charts_are_terrible."></span>I agree, this is very uncomfortable to read the updated charts and are very confusing to understand. <a href="/wiki/User:SeosiWrestling" title="User:SeosiWrestling">SeosiWrestling</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SeosiWrestling" title="User talk:SeosiWrestling">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-SeosiWrestling-2022-05-23T02:48:00.000Z-The_new_Voting_History_charts_are_terrible." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 23 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SeosiWrestling-2022-05-23T02:48:00.000Z-The_new_Voting_History_charts_are_terrible."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SeosiWrestling-2022-05-23T02:48:00.000Z-The_new_Voting_History_charts_are_terrible."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T03:54:00.000Z-SeosiWrestling-2022-05-23T02:48:00.000Z"></span>Well remember... no charts are etched in stone. Some features of the old charts were not accessible to screen readers and some had color issues that couldn't be read by those who are colorblind. Other parts needed updated html so they would work best with the latest browsers. These seemed the best compromise but if editors can fix the problems and do better try it in your sandbox and let us see. Maybe yours would be more universally liked. Some of the early charts changes used no color at all to get around it but I pointed out how important color is and gave them one chart that fixed things and kept tribe color. It's not ideal but it was a compromise where being sighted I could give up little so those with issues could also access our data without getting confused. <a href="/wiki/User:Fyunck(click)" title="User:Fyunck(click)">Fyunck(click)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fyunck(click)" title="User talk:Fyunck(click)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T03:54:00.000Z-SeosiWrestling-2022-05-23T02:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:54, 23 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T03:54:00.000Z-SeosiWrestling-2022-05-23T02:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T03:54:00.000Z-SeosiWrestling-2022-05-23T02:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Masem-2022-05-23T04:24:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T03:54:00.000Z"></span>I serious content that "tribe color" is what viewers remember long after a season ended. In the middle of a ongoing season, sure, but not 3-4 years later. But as long as in each table area it is relatively clear <b>once</b> color associated with tribe name, that should be sufficient. What a problem was overexcessive repetition of the tribe name/color connection. Once is all that needed, per table. --<a href="/wiki/User:Masem" title="User:Masem">M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Masem" title="User talk:Masem">t</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Masem-2022-05-23T04:24:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T03:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:24, 23 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Masem-2022-05-23T04:24:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T03:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Masem-2022-05-23T04:24:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T03:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T06:28:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-23T04:24:00.000Z"></span>But that is personal opinion.... not MOS related. There could be a lot more color and it would work for MOS. I understand some like less color... that's the same in tennis articles too. We work out the best compromises regardless of personal views. Tribe color is massively important. I'll bet tribe names are forgotten 3-4 years later too so I guess all we need to show is tribe A, B, and C and what players were on those different tribes? That's too inflexible for the encyclopedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Fyunck(click)" title="User:Fyunck(click)">Fyunck(click)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fyunck(click)" title="User talk:Fyunck(click)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T06:28:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-23T04:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:28, 23 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T06:28:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-23T04:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T06:28:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-23T04:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Masem-2022-05-23T12:22:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T06:28:00.000Z"></span>No, MOS specifically spells out that color should not be used to carry information, which is what the past tables were doing (eg the old voting tables). There is judicious use of color that still helps to associate color to tribe where it is appropriate, but doesn't replicate that again and again on the same table. We don't treat our readers as unable to track that within the same table/section. --<a href="/wiki/User:Masem" title="User:Masem">M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Masem" title="User talk:Masem">t</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Masem-2022-05-23T12:22:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T06:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:22, 23 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Masem-2022-05-23T12:22:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T06:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Masem-2022-05-23T12:22:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T06:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T22:20:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-23T12:22:00.000Z"></span>No. That's not what I said nor what others have said and you should know that by now. MOS states that color cannot be the only means of carrying information, not that it can't be used. As long as that is followed MOS is fine. Whether too much color is used is simple content dispute, not MOS related. <a href="/wiki/User:Fyunck(click)" title="User:Fyunck(click)">Fyunck(click)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fyunck(click)" title="User talk:Fyunck(click)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T22:20:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-23T12:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 23 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T22:20:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-23T12:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T22:20:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-23T12:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Masem-2022-05-24T01:44:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T22:20:00.000Z"></span>The MOS addresses color overuse, as well as the past RFC on reality show tables. Remember that unless colors are specifically picked for accessibility, colors can make things unreadable to colorblind people too. --<a href="/wiki/User:Masem" title="User:Masem">M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Masem" title="User talk:Masem">t</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Masem-2022-05-24T01:44:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T22:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:44, 24 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Masem-2022-05-24T01:44:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T22:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Masem-2022-05-24T01:44:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-23T22:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-24T02:26:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-24T01:44:00.000Z"></span>Yes they can, but there are plenty that work just fine. And overuse is quite often in the eye of the beholder... or in wikipedia's case in the eye of article consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:Fyunck(click)" title="User:Fyunck(click)">Fyunck(click)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fyunck(click)" title="User talk:Fyunck(click)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-24T02:26:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-24T01:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:26, 24 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-24T02:26:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-24T01:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-24T02:26:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-24T01:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Masem-2022-05-24T02:31:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-24T02:26:00.000Z"></span>That answer doesn't work for colorblind readers. --<a href="/wiki/User:Masem" title="User:Masem">M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Masem" title="User talk:Masem">t</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Masem-2022-05-24T02:31:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-24T02:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Masem-2022-05-24T02:31:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-24T02:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Masem-2022-05-24T02:31:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-24T02:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bgsu98-2022-05-23T21:21:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-23T12:22:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Masem" title="User:Masem">Masem</a>, can I assume that the voting history table at <a href="/wiki/Survivor_41" title="Survivor 41">Survivor 41</a> that someone recently changed is still not MOS compliant? <a href="/wiki/User:Bgsu98" title="User:Bgsu98">Bgsu98</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bgsu98" title="User talk:Bgsu98">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Bgsu98-2022-05-23T21:21:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-23T12:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 23 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bgsu98-2022-05-23T21:21:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-23T12:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bgsu98-2022-05-23T21:21:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-23T12:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Masem-2022-05-23T21:41:00.000Z-Bgsu98-2022-05-23T21:21:00.000Z"></span>Yes, too kuch color reuse. --<a href="/wiki/User:Masem" title="User:Masem">M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Masem" title="User talk:Masem">t</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Masem-2022-05-23T21:41:00.000Z-Bgsu98-2022-05-23T21:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 23 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Masem-2022-05-23T21:41:00.000Z-Bgsu98-2022-05-23T21:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Masem-2022-05-23T21:41:00.000Z-Bgsu98-2022-05-23T21:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deleting_color_from_tables" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deleting_color_from_tables-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deleting_color_from_tables-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z"></span>Deleting color from tables<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deleting_color_from_tables-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Survivor:_Borneo&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Deleting color from tables"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z-Deleting_color_from_tables"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Bgsu98" title="User:Bgsu98">Bgsu98</a>. In regards to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Survivor:_Borneo&oldid=prev&diff=1088279703&diffmode=source">this revert</a>, may I suggest that if you are going to delete colors that convey information, that it is your responsibility to add that information as a column in these tables. Simply deleting the colors is disruptive. Also have you achieved consensus for your mass changes affecting multiple pages? You just reverted my revert, which seems to go against <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">WP:BRD</a> and a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SILENT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SILENT">WP:SILENT</a> consensus that has stood for many years. Thank you. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:limegreen"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z-Deleting_color_from_tables" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:09, 17 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z-Deleting_color_from_tables"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z-Deleting_color_from_tables"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Masem-2022-05-17T05:05:00.000Z-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z"></span>Per our MOS and ACCESS, color should not be used to convey information. And it's rather clear that if a one tribe won immunity, the other tribe was going to tribal council and thus there's no need to reiterate that tribe. --<a href="/wiki/User:Masem" title="User:Masem">M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Masem" title="User talk:Masem">t</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Masem-2022-05-17T05:05:00.000Z-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Masem-2022-05-17T05:05:00.000Z-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Masem-2022-05-17T05:05:00.000Z-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bgsu98-2022-05-17T18:37:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-17T05:05:00.000Z"></span>Okay, I added a tribe column to the elimination column. We will eventually get to seasons where there are three tribes, so it won't be a simple matter of "the tribe that didn't win immunity obviously voted someone out". So while the identification of the tribe eliminating a player may not be as important in this season as in later seasons, I think we want these tables to be consistent every season. I do want to note, however, that the eliminations are reflected (with tribe identification & color) on both the table above and the table below this one. There seems to be a lot of redundancy, but this section was labeled "season summary", and a season summary should include who won the challenges, and who was eliminated. Plus certain unique situations that will arise in the future, like Edge of Extinction, Redemption Island, Ghost Island, Exile Island. <a href="/wiki/User:Bgsu98" title="User:Bgsu98">Bgsu98</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bgsu98" title="User talk:Bgsu98">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Bgsu98-2022-05-17T18:37:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-17T05:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 17 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bgsu98-2022-05-17T18:37:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-17T05:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bgsu98-2022-05-17T18:37:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-17T05:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T20:26:00.000Z-Bgsu98-2022-05-17T18:37:00.000Z"></span>A well done compromise. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Fyunck(click)" title="User:Fyunck(click)">Fyunck(click)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fyunck(click)" title="User talk:Fyunck(click)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T20:26:00.000Z-Bgsu98-2022-05-17T18:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 17 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T20:26:00.000Z-Bgsu98-2022-05-17T18:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T20:26:00.000Z-Bgsu98-2022-05-17T18:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T06:18:00.000Z-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae">Novem Linguae</a>:</span>Colors can certainly be used, but colors cannot be the only means of expressing information. You could always add the tribe name into the Eliminated cell and re-add the color or not. The tribe could also be noted with a symbol and have a key that showed this. There are multiple ways it could be done, but using only color is not one of them. Those with colorblind issues would have no way of knowing what data you were trying to convey. However you make a good point that with the change we just lost vital information. We used to know what tribe just went home... now we don't by looking at this chart. We need words or a symbol so we don't lose that vital info, and it really should not have been removed without making sure that info was retained. <a href="/wiki/User:Fyunck(click)" title="User:Fyunck(click)">Fyunck(click)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fyunck(click)" title="User talk:Fyunck(click)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T06:18:00.000Z-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T06:18:00.000Z-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T06:18:00.000Z-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lee_Vilenski-2022-05-17T07:30:00.000Z-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z"></span>Novem Linguae</a> - just a note, this has been discussed at length at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TV">WP:TV</a>, the survivor WikiProject and even a recent RfC. This isn't an undiscussed change, and even if it was, you wouldn't need a consensus to follow <a href="/wiki/MOS:COLOUR" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:COLOUR">MOS:COLOUR</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lee_Vilenski" title="User:Lee Vilenski"><span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lee_Vilenski" title="User talk:Lee Vilenski">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lee_Vilenski" title="Special:Contributions/Lee Vilenski">contribs</a>)</sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Lee_Vilenski-2022-05-17T07:30:00.000Z-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:30, 17 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lee_Vilenski-2022-05-17T07:30:00.000Z-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lee_Vilenski-2022-05-17T07:30:00.000Z-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T04:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T08:18:00.000Z-Lee_Vilenski-2022-05-17T07:30:00.000Z"></span>But, if that color was showing vital information, when it is removed we would be required to show that info in a different way. We don't just remove the data along with the color. Or we add something to the color to make sure color isn't the only descriptor for the data. That was also discussed in those locations. In the case of Borneo, I guess if one tribe has immunity then it follows the person being voted out is from the other tribe. I might still want to show the tribe name but it isn't do or die vital. That isn't always clear in Survivor though... such as when there are three tribes. We have to make sure readers know the tribe that was voted off. <a href="/wiki/User:Fyunck(click)" title="User:Fyunck(click)">Fyunck(click)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fyunck(click)" title="User talk:Fyunck(click)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T08:18:00.000Z-Lee_Vilenski-2022-05-17T07:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T08:18:00.000Z-Lee_Vilenski-2022-05-17T07:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T08:18:00.000Z-Lee_Vilenski-2022-05-17T07:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Masem-2022-05-17T12:14:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T08:18:00.000Z"></span>The tribe membership of the person voted out, when the table lists the tribe that <i>did not</i> go to TC, is not vital since that can be worked out from the fact there were only two tribes before the merge. This is also available in the voting table. Tribe membership <i>is</i> essential information, but not by color. --<a href="/wiki/User:Masem" title="User:Masem">M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Masem" title="User talk:Masem">t</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Masem-2022-05-17T12:14:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T08:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 17 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Masem-2022-05-17T12:14:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T08:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Masem-2022-05-17T12:14:00.000Z-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T08:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T17:37:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-17T12:14:00.000Z"></span>That's not entirely true. Many readers only know the tribes by color and not by name. Buff-color has always been vital info on Survivor. Heck I have relatives myself who know the tribes by yellow tribe, blue tribe, etc... and wouldn't know the tribe name from a hole in the wall. Tribe color is important information. <a href="/wiki/User:Fyunck(click)" title="User:Fyunck(click)">Fyunck(click)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fyunck(click)" title="User talk:Fyunck(click)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T17:37:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-17T12:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 17 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T17:37:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-17T12:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fyunck(click)-2022-05-17T17:37:00.000Z-Masem-2022-05-17T12:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T16:58:00.000Z-Lee_Vilenski-2022-05-17T07:30:00.000Z"></span>I'm aware. I participated in that RFC. I would like to see a little more effort to preserve useful knowledge when fixing these tables. And not just a reflexive deletion of all colors. There is a middle ground here where we don't delete useful knowledge AND we make the tables more accessible. I'd like us to avoid repeating the nightmare that took place over at <a href="/wiki/Talk:RuPaul%27s_Drag_Race_UK_(series_2)" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:RuPaul's Drag Race UK (series 2)">Talk:RuPaul's Drag Race UK (series 2)</a>, where anti-color enthusiasts were way too heavy handed and upset a bunch of people. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:limegreen"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T16:58:00.000Z-Lee_Vilenski-2022-05-17T07:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 17 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T16:58:00.000Z-Lee_Vilenski-2022-05-17T07:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-2022-05-17T16:58:00.000Z-Lee_Vilenski-2022-05-17T07:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Where_are_the_"mixed_reactions_from_the_media"?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Where_are_the_"mixed_reactions_from_the_media"?-2022-06-28T19:02:00.000Z"><span id="Where_are_the_.22mixed_reactions_from_the_media.22.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Where_are_the_"mixed_reactions_from_the_media"?-2022-06-28T19:02:00.000Z"></span>Where are the "mixed reactions from the media"?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Where_are_the_"mixed_reactions_from_the_media"?-2022-06-28T19:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Survivor:_Borneo&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Where are the "mixed reactions from the media"?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Somarain-2022-06-28T19:02:00.000Z-Where_are_the_"mixed_reactions_from_the_media"?"></span>"Mixed reactions" usually means some positive reviews, some negative, but I don't see anything in the Critical Reception section that indicates anything less than a neutral response. PETA was negative but I don't really count them as critics. The rest of the critics are either positive or commenting on the popularity. --<a href="/wiki/User:Somarain" title="User:Somarain">Somarain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Somarain" title="User talk:Somarain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Somarain-2022-06-28T19:02:00.000Z-Where_are_the_"mixed_reactions_from_the_media"?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 28 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Somarain-2022-06-28T19:02:00.000Z-Where_are_the_"mixed_reactions_from_the_media"?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Somarain-2022-06-28T19:02:00.000Z-Where_are_the_"mixed_reactions_from_the_media"?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Remove_episode_summaries?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Remove_episode_summaries?-20220926105400"><span id="Remove_episode_summaries.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Remove_episode_summaries?-20220926105400"></span>Remove episode summaries?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Remove_episode_summaries?-20220926105400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Survivor:_Borneo&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Remove episode summaries?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-George_Ho-20220926105400-Remove_episode_summaries?"></span>Episode summaries were <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1109914516">removed</a></span> from <i><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Africa" title="Survivor: Africa">Survivor: Africa</a></i> per its GA nomination. I wonder whether the same can be done to <i>Borneo</i><span class="nowrap" style="padding-left:0.1em;">'s</span> episode summaries. <a href="/wiki/User:George_Ho" title="User:George Ho">George Ho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:George_Ho" title="User talk:George Ho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-George_Ho-20220926105400-Remove_episode_summaries?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:54, 26 September 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-George_Ho-20220926105400-Remove_episode_summaries?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-George_Ho-20220926105400-Remove_episode_summaries?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Masem-20220926122400-George_Ho-20220926105400"></span>I don't think the outright removal is appropriate. A summary of the clear, obvious events of the game (what the challenges were, any special events like swap) should be in the episode summaries, but I do agree that all the attempts to document strategizing (outside of the season summary) is way too much and involves interpretation of events and motives. --<a href="/wiki/User:Masem" title="User:Masem">M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Masem" title="User talk:Masem">t</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Masem-20220926122400-George_Ho-20220926105400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:24, 26 September 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Masem-20220926122400-George_Ho-20220926105400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Masem-20220926122400-George_Ho-20220926105400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Future_appearances" data-mw-thread-id="h-Future_appearances-20231004200000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Future_appearances-20231004200000"></span>Future appearances<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Future_appearances-20231004200000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Survivor:_Borneo&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Future appearances"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greggens-20231004200000-Future_appearances"></span>This section refers only to castaways who make future appearances on <i><u>Survivor</u></i>, not other media. No one reading this article cares if a player from this season was later seen on <i><a href="/wiki/The_Apprentice" title="The Apprentice">The Apprentice</a></i>, <a href="/wiki/The_Amazing_Race" title="The Amazing Race"><i>The Amazing Race</i></a>, <a href="/wiki/Judge_Alex" title="Judge Alex"><i>Judge Alex</i></a>, a <a href="/wiki/Rob_Schneider" title="Rob Schneider">Rob Schneider</a> movie, etc. This article is about <i>Survivor,</i> so please, make sure you stick to <i>Survivor</i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Greggens" title="User:Greggens">Greggens</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greggens" title="User talk:Greggens">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Greggens-20231004200000-Future_appearances" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 4 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greggens-20231004200000-Future_appearances"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greggens-20231004200000-Future_appearances"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_move_25_October_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move_25_October_2024-20241025031500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move_25_October_2024-20241025031500"></span>Requested move 25 October 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move_25_October_2024-20241025031500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Survivor:_Borneo&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Requested move 25 October 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="boilerplate mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: var(--background-color-success-subtle, #efe); color: var(--color-base, #000); margin: 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted var(--border-color-subtle, #AAAAAA);"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheDoctorWho-20241025162600-Requested_move_25_October_2024"></span>The following is a closed discussion of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">requested move</a>. <span style="color: var(--color-error, red);"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Move_review" title="Wikipedia:Move review">move review</a> after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</i></dd></dl> <p>The result of the move request was: <b>withdrawn</b>. Seeing how the general consensus on this has gone so far, I have decided to withdraw this request. <small>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Closing_instructions#Non-admin_closure" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions">non-admin closure</a>)</small> <a href="/wiki/User:TheDoctorWho" title="User:TheDoctorWho"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><b>The</b></span><span style="color:#0000ff"><b>Doctor</b></span><span style="color:#0000ff;"><b>Who</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheDoctorWho" title="User talk:TheDoctorWho">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-TheDoctorWho-20241025162600-Requested_move_25_October_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheDoctorWho-20241025162600-Requested_move_25_October_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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(American TV series) season 2</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Africa" title="Survivor: Africa">Survivor: Africa</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_3&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 3 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 3</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Marquesas" title="Survivor: Marquesas">Survivor: Marquesas</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_4&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 4 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 4</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Thailand" title="Survivor: Thailand">Survivor: Thailand</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_5&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 5 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 5</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_The_Amazon" title="Survivor: The Amazon">Survivor: The Amazon</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_6&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 6 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 6</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Pearl_Islands" title="Survivor: Pearl Islands">Survivor: Pearl Islands</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_7&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 7 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 7</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_All-Stars" title="Survivor: All-Stars">Survivor: All-Stars</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_8&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 8 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 8</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Vanuatu" title="Survivor: Vanuatu">Survivor: Vanuatu</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_9&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 9 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 9</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Palau" title="Survivor: Palau">Survivor: Palau</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_10&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 10 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 10</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Guatemala" title="Survivor: Guatemala">Survivor: Guatemala</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_11&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 11 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 11</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Panama" title="Survivor: Panama">Survivor: Panama</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_12&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 12 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 12</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Cook_Islands" title="Survivor: Cook Islands">Survivor: Cook Islands</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_13&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 13 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 13</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Fiji" title="Survivor: Fiji">Survivor: Fiji</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_14&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 14 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 14</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_China" title="Survivor: China">Survivor: China</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_15&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 15 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 15</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Micronesia" title="Survivor: Micronesia">Survivor: Micronesia</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_16&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 16 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 16</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Gabon" title="Survivor: Gabon">Survivor: Gabon</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_17&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 17 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 17</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Tocantins" title="Survivor: Tocantins">Survivor: Tocantins</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_18&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 18 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 18</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Samoa" title="Survivor: Samoa">Survivor: Samoa</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_19&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 19 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 19</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Heroes_vs._Villains" title="Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains">Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_20&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 20 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 20</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Nicaragua" title="Survivor: Nicaragua">Survivor: Nicaragua</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_21&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 21 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 21</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Redemption_Island" title="Survivor: Redemption Island">Survivor: Redemption Island</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_22&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 22 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 22</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_South_Pacific" title="Survivor: South Pacific">Survivor: South Pacific</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_23&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 23 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 23</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_One_World" title="Survivor: One World">Survivor: One World</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_24&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 24 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 24</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Philippines" title="Survivor: Philippines">Survivor: Philippines</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_25&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 25 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 25</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Caramoan" title="Survivor: Caramoan">Survivor: Caramoan</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_26&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 26 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 26</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Blood_vs._Water" title="Survivor: Blood vs. Water">Survivor: Blood vs. Water</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_27&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 27 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 27</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Cagayan" title="Survivor: Cagayan">Survivor: Cagayan</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_28&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 28 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 28</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_San_Juan_del_Sur" title="Survivor: San Juan del Sur">Survivor: San Juan del Sur</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_29&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 29 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 29</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Worlds_Apart" title="Survivor: Worlds Apart">Survivor: Worlds Apart</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_30&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 30 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 30</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Cambodia" title="Survivor: Cambodia">Survivor: Cambodia</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_31&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 31 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 31</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Ka%C3%B4h_R%C5%8Dng" title="Survivor: Kaôh Rōng">Survivor: Kaôh Rōng</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_32&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 32 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 32</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Millennials_vs._Gen_X" title="Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X">Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_33&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 33 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 33</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Game_Changers" title="Survivor: Game Changers">Survivor: Game Changers</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_34&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 34 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 34</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Heroes_vs._Healers_vs._Hustlers" title="Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers">Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_35&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 35 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 35</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Ghost_Island" title="Survivor: Ghost Island">Survivor: Ghost Island</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_36&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 36 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 36</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_David_vs._Goliath" title="Survivor: David vs. Goliath">Survivor: David vs. Goliath</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_37&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 37 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 37</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Edge_of_Extinction" title="Survivor: Edge of Extinction">Survivor: Edge of Extinction</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_38&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 38 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 38</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Island_of_the_Idols" title="Survivor: Island of the Idols">Survivor: Island of the Idols</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_39&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 39 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 39</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor:_Winners_at_War" title="Survivor: Winners at War">Survivor: Winners at War</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_40&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 40 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 40</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor_41" title="Survivor 41">Survivor 41</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_41&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 41 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 41</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor_42" title="Survivor 42">Survivor 42</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_42&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 42 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 42</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor_43" title="Survivor 43">Survivor 43</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_43&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 43 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 43</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor_44" title="Survivor 44">Survivor 44</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_44&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 44 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 44</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor_45" title="Survivor 45">Survivor 45</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_45&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 45 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 45</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor_46" title="Survivor 46">Survivor 46</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_46&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 46 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 46</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Survivor_47" title="Survivor 47">Survivor 47</a> → <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_(American_TV_series)_season_47&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor (American TV series) season 47 (page does not exist)">Survivor (American TV series) season 47</a></li></ul> <p>– Per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCTV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCTV">WP:NCTV</a> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">"a consistent naming scheme should be used for all season articles of a TV show: if one season is named something special, this should be noted through redirects and in the article's WP:LEAD, but the article should be named in the same fashion as the other season pages."</q> While this hasn't always been the case for <i>Survivor</i>, the series has used numbers rather than subtitles to refer to its seasons since 2021. Since there are multiple versions of survivor, all 47 seasons need include the country disambiguator even though this is the only one that has 47 seasons. I suppose a case could also be made for something like <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_41_(American_season)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor 41 (American season) (page does not exist)">Survivor 41 (American season)</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Survivor_42_(American_season)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Survivor 42 (American season) (page does not exist)">Survivor 42 (American season)</a>, etc. This format is also used for American <i>Big Brother</i> seasons. However, while the latter seasons are discussed in some reliable sources this way (seemed like a mix between "Survivor #" and "Survivor season #" from a quick glance), there are very few if any reliable sources referring to the earlier seasons as "Survivor #" so I'd prefer my first suggestion so that a uniform titling scheme can be used. Depending on how this move goes, there are also a few other countries that may need moves based on the same naming conventions. <a href="/wiki/User:TheDoctorWho" title="User:TheDoctorWho"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><b>The</b></span><span style="color:#0000ff"><b>Doctor</b></span><span style="color:#0000ff;"><b>Who</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheDoctorWho" title="User talk:TheDoctorWho">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-TheDoctorWho-20241025031500-Requested_move_25_October_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheDoctorWho-20241025031500-Requested_move_25_October_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheDoctorWho-20241025031500-Requested_move_25_October_2024"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Survey" data-mw-thread-id="h-Survey-Requested_move_25_October_2024-20241025042000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Survey-Requested_move_25_October_2024-20241025042000"></span>Survey<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Survey-Requested_move_25_October_2024-20241025042000"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Survivor:_Borneo&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Survey"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fyunck(click)-20241025042000-Survey"></span>Oppose</b> Per sourcing. Many tv shows do not have a season name, simply season 1 is appropriate. Not so with Survivor where its season names are often iconic. Many like "Heroes vs. Villains" I've never seen it any other way. I don't think this is something that's broken so we use season 20 as a redirect to Heroes vs Villains. <a href="/wiki/User:Fyunck(click)" title="User:Fyunck(click)">Fyunck(click)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fyunck(click)" title="User talk:Fyunck(click)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Fyunck(click)-20241025042000-Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fyunck(click)-20241025042000-Survey"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fyunck(click)-20241025042000-Survey"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Masem-20241025042200-Survey"></span>Oppose</b> The non-numberd names are far more the COMMONNAME for those individual seasons, and just because the show has recently dropped any name doesn't seem to make sense to force the majority of the other seasons to lose their names. And yes, they are just calling the newer seasons as "Survivor 47", not "season 47 of Survivor", so that's still a proper name. --<a href="/wiki/User:Masem" title="User:Masem">M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Masem" title="User talk:Masem">t</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Masem-20241025042200-Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:22, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Masem-20241025042200-Survey"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Masem-20241025042200-Survey"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheDoctorWho-20241025051200-Masem-20241025042200"></span>Per what I said above, there's actually a mix: <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.thewrap.com/survivor-season-41-winner-episode-13-recap-finale/">This <i>Wrap</i> article uses "‘Survivor’ Season 41"</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://people.com/tv/survivor-season-42-cast-announced/"><i>People Magazine</i> uses "'Survivor' Season 42"</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.vulture.com/article/survivor-season-43-finale-recap-snapping-necks-and-cashing-checks.html"><i>Vulture</i> uses "season 43 of Survivor"</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://parade.com/tv/survivor-season-44"><i>Parade Magazine</i> uses 'Survivor' Season 44</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.etonline.com/survivor-crowns-season-45-winner-find-out-who-outlasted-the-competition-216844"><i>Entertainment Tonight</i> uses "Survivor season 45", "45th season"</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.paramountshop.com/collections/survivor-season-45?srsltid=AfmBOopAnQRnaVazzKnLEhrpaL9r7b9mK2PKCns3_fsTspg-g-WcD08b">Paramount Shop</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.paramountpressexpress.com/cbs-entertainment/shows/survivor/releases/?view=108989-the-tribe-has-spokensurvivor-season-45-achieves-year-over-year-multiplatform-growth">Paramount Press Express</a>, and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/survivor-season-45-preview-host-jeff-probst/">CBS News</a> all use "Survivor season #" as well, which are closer to the network (although CBS News stands editorially independent).</li></ul></dd> <dd>So while there are also sources that use "Survivor #", it's not fair to say "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">they are just calling</q>", when it's not exclusively one way over the other. The DVD covers for Seasons 40-43 also use "Survivor season #". <a href="/wiki/User:TheDoctorWho" title="User:TheDoctorWho"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><b>The</b></span><span style="color:#0000ff"><b>Doctor</b></span><span style="color:#0000ff;"><b>Who</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheDoctorWho" title="User talk:TheDoctorWho">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-TheDoctorWho-20241025051200-Masem-20241025042200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:12, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheDoctorWho-20241025051200-Masem-20241025042200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheDoctorWho-20241025051200-Masem-20241025042200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netoholic-20241025091300-TheDoctorWho-20241025051200"></span>This feels like <a href="/wiki/Cherry_picking" title="Cherry picking">cherry picking</a> and inaccurate especially because some of your cited articles are previews of those seasons. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Netoholic" title="User:Netoholic">Netoholic</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netoholic" title="User talk:Netoholic">@</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Netoholic-20241025091300-TheDoctorWho-20241025051200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:13, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netoholic-20241025091300-TheDoctorWho-20241025051200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netoholic-20241025091300-TheDoctorWho-20241025051200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netoholic-20241025091000-Survey"></span>Oppose</b> - the current naming is consistent in that we are following what each season is "titled", even if the names used have changed over time from locations, to themes, to numbers. Remember too that, if its valuable, OP's suggested names could be created as redirects per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCTV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCTV">WP:NCTV</a>, but I'm dubious of the need. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Netoholic" title="User:Netoholic">Netoholic</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netoholic" title="User talk:Netoholic">@</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Netoholic-20241025091000-Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netoholic-20241025091000-Survey"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netoholic-20241025091000-Survey"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Old_Naval_Rooftops-20241025100700-Survey"></span>Strong oppose.</b> The first 40 seasons are always referred to by their subtitles, not their numbers. (The <i>Borneo</i> vs. <i>Pulau Tiga</i> blip is a sidenote to all this.) <b><a href="/wiki/User:Old_Naval_Rooftops" title="User:Old Naval Rooftops"><span style="color:#002244">O.N.R.</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Old_Naval_Rooftops" title="User talk:Old Naval Rooftops"><span style="color:#002244">(talk)</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Survivor:_Borneo#c-Old_Naval_Rooftops-20241025100700-Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:07, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Old_Naval_Rooftops-20241025100700-Survey"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Old_Naval_Rooftops-20241025100700-Survey"></span></li></ul> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. 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