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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T15:08:00.000Z-Name"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Bsherr" title="User:Bsherr">Bsherr</a>:</span> The name doesn't seam the best. Does anyone have a better one? I'm thinking <i>split and merge</i>, <i>split n' merge</i>, <i>content move</i> or similar. – <a href="/wiki/User:BrandonXLF" title="User:BrandonXLF"><span style="color:#0011ff;font-family:Georgia;text-shadow: 0.15em 0.15em 0.15em #db3a00;'"><b>BrandonXLF</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrandonXLF" title="User talk:BrandonXLF"><span style="color:blue;"><sup><b>(t@lk)</b></sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T15:08:00.000Z-Name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 2 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T15:08:00.000Z-Name"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T15:08:00.000Z-Name"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Blueboar-2018-09-02T15:57:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T15:08:00.000Z"></span>I do like “content move”... which makes it clearer to other editors exactly what is happening to the content in question (ie the content will still exist in WP and, more importantly, is not being “deleted”... it has simply been moved to a more appropriate article). <a href="/wiki/User:Blueboar" title="User:Blueboar">Blueboar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Blueboar" title="User talk:Blueboar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Blueboar-2018-09-02T15:57:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T15:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Blueboar-2018-09-02T15:57:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T15:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Blueboar-2018-09-02T15:57:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T15:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T16:13:00.000Z-Blueboar-2018-09-02T15:57:00.000Z"></span>I'll go with that then. <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Bsherr" title="User:Bsherr">Bsherr</a>:</span> What are the suggestions you have? – <a href="/wiki/User:BrandonXLF" title="User:BrandonXLF"><span style="color:#0011ff;font-family:Georgia;text-shadow: 0.15em 0.15em 0.15em #db3a00;'"><b>BrandonXLF</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrandonXLF" title="User talk:BrandonXLF"><span style="color:blue;"><sup><b>(t@lk)</b></sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T16:13:00.000Z-Blueboar-2018-09-02T15:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 2 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T16:13:00.000Z-Blueboar-2018-09-02T15:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T16:13:00.000Z-Blueboar-2018-09-02T15:57:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bsherr-2018-09-02T21:12:00.000Z-Blueboar-2018-09-02T15:57:00.000Z"></span>Oh no, that's the name I actually think would be most disastrous. I'm very worried it conflates this with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Moving_a_page" title="Wikipedia:Moving a page">Wikipedia:Moving a page</a>, which is completely unrelated. You'll have novice editors mistakenly starting <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">Wikipedia:Requested moves</a> thinking of this as a "partial move" instead of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_mergers" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Proposed mergers">Wikipedia:Proposed mergers</a>. I would encourage you to use the existing terms for now, split and merge. If a consensus is reached around a new name, so be it, but it's the substance that matters much more than the name, which can be swapped in later. --<a href="/wiki/User:Bsherr" title="User:Bsherr">Bsherr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bsherr" title="User talk:Bsherr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Bsherr-2018-09-02T21:12:00.000Z-Blueboar-2018-09-02T15:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:12, 2 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bsherr-2018-09-02T21:12:00.000Z-Blueboar-2018-09-02T15:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bsherr-2018-09-02T21:12:00.000Z-Blueboar-2018-09-02T15:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T22:33:00.000Z-Bsherr-2018-09-02T21:12:00.000Z"></span>True, I didn't think of that. I'll move it again. Is it fine to update the templates links and name of split and merge for consistency between them? – <a href="/wiki/User:BrandonXLF" title="User:BrandonXLF"><span style="color:#0011ff;font-family:Georgia;text-shadow: 0.15em 0.15em 0.15em #db3a00;'"><b>BrandonXLF</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrandonXLF" title="User talk:BrandonXLF"><span style="color:blue;"><sup><b>(t@lk)</b></sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T22:33:00.000Z-Bsherr-2018-09-02T21:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 2 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T22:33:00.000Z-Bsherr-2018-09-02T21:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T22:33:00.000Z-Bsherr-2018-09-02T21:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bsherr-2018-09-03T00:20:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T22:33:00.000Z"></span>Looking good. I'll be back in a bit to do some copyediting. --<a href="/wiki/User:Bsherr" title="User:Bsherr">Bsherr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bsherr" title="User talk:Bsherr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Bsherr-2018-09-03T00:20:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T22:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bsherr-2018-09-03T00:20:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T22:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bsherr-2018-09-03T00:20:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-02T22:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RfC_on_making_this_page_a_guideline" data-mw-thread-id="h-RfC_on_making_this_page_a_guideline-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RfC_on_making_this_page_a_guideline-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"></span>RfC on making this page a guideline<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RfC_on_making_this_page_a_guideline-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Section_move&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: RfC on making this page a guideline"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="boilerplate discussion-archived mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: var(--background-color-progressive-subtle, #f5f3ef); color: var(--color-base, inherit); overflow:auto; margin: 1em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid var(--border-color-subtle, #aaa)"> <div class="boilerplate-header"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z-RfC_on_making_this_page_a_guideline"></span>The following discussion is closed. <span style="color:var(--color-error, red)"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.</i> <i>A summary of the conclusions reached follows.</i> <dl><dd>The result of the discussion was <b>oppose</b> and <b>tag with how-to</b></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> </div> <p>I think <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Split_and_merge" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Split and merge">Wikipedia:Split and merge</a> is ready to be a gudeline and is much better then the current <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPLIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPLIT">WP:SPLIT</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MERGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MERGE">WP:MERGE</a> system. – <a href="/wiki/User:BrandonXLF" title="User:BrandonXLF"><span style="color:#0011ff;font-family:Georgia;text-shadow: 0.15em 0.15em 0.15em #db3a00;'"><b>BrandonXLF</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrandonXLF" title="User talk:BrandonXLF"><span style="color:blue;"><sup><b>(t@lk)</b></sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z-RfC_on_making_this_page_a_guideline" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:59, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z-RfC_on_making_this_page_a_guideline"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z-RfC_on_making_this_page_a_guideline"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ammarpad-2018-09-23T16:33:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"></span>This is a how-to page. The best thing it needs is <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Wikipedia_how-to" title="Template:Wikipedia how-to">Wikipedia how-to</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> tag. No more no less. –<a href="/wiki/User:Ammarpad" title="User:Ammarpad">Ammarpad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ammarpad" title="User talk:Ammarpad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Ammarpad-2018-09-23T16:33:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ammarpad-2018-09-23T16:33:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ammarpad-2018-09-23T16:33:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pythoncoder-2018-09-23T19:12:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b>. Don't think it's necessary. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_instruction_creep" title="Wikipedia:Avoid instruction creep">Wikipedia:Avoid instruction creep</a> —<a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder" title="User:Pythoncoder"><span style="border-radius:10px 0 0 10px;background:#9ff;color:blue"> python</span><span style="border-radius:0 10px 10px 0;background:#ff9;color:blue">coder </span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder/t" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Pythoncoder/t">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder/c" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Pythoncoder/c">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Pythoncoder-2018-09-23T19:12:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pythoncoder-2018-09-23T19:12:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pythoncoder-2018-09-23T19:12:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonnym-2018-09-23T19:34:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"></span>Citing an essay against another essay wanting to be a guideline, that's... ironic? Anyways, I'm not opposed but this is in no way close to being fit for a guideline. It has bad language "blah blah blah", mismatch terminology, bad examples. Also, I'd like to know what the relation between this page and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Merging" title="Wikipedia:Merging">Wikipedia:Merging</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Splitting" title="Wikipedia:Splitting">Wikipedia:Splitting</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copying_within_Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia">Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia</a>. One of my biggest issues with guideline/essay is not the creep factor, but the forking and the getting lost in so many same-topic pages. I honestly don't think 4 pages are needed for this topic, where one would be enough. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Gonnym-2018-09-23T19:34:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonnym-2018-09-23T19:34:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonnym-2018-09-23T19:34:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gonnym-2018-09-23T19:36:00.000Z-Gonnym-2018-09-23T19:34:00.000Z"></span>I just noticed that I'm basically saying that I think the split and merge pages should be merged. Can't believe I didn't notice that pun coming. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gonnym" title="User:Gonnym">Gonnym</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gonnym" title="User talk:Gonnym">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Gonnym-2018-09-23T19:36:00.000Z-Gonnym-2018-09-23T19:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gonnym-2018-09-23T19:36:00.000Z-Gonnym-2018-09-23T19:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gonnym-2018-09-23T19:36:00.000Z-Gonnym-2018-09-23T19:34:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Godsy-2018-09-23T23:32:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPLIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPLIT">WP:SPLIT</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MERGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MERGE">WP:MERGE</a> are fine as is. This would be akin to unnecessarily combining <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MERGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MERGE">WP:MERGE</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REDIRECT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REDIRECT">WP:REDIRECT</a> in a page titled <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Merge_and_redirect&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:Merge and redirect (page does not exist)">Wikipedia:Merge and redirect</a>; many processes generally or sometimes occur consecutively. <small>— <a href="/wiki/User:Godsy" title="User:Godsy"><span style="color:#39A78E;"><b>Godsy</b></span></a><sup> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Godsy" title="User talk:Godsy">TALK</a></sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Godsy" title="Special:Contributions/Godsy"><span style="color:#DAA520;">CONT</span></a>)</sub></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Godsy-2018-09-23T23:32:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Godsy-2018-09-23T23:32:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Godsy-2018-09-23T23:32:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T23:55:00.000Z-Godsy-2018-09-23T23:32:00.000Z"></span>The problem is this is more of one thing where as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MERGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MERGE">WP:MERGE</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REDIRECT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REDIRECT">WP:REDIRECT</a> are two things. When you do a split and merge there's no middle page. – <a href="/wiki/User:BrandonXLF" title="User:BrandonXLF"><span style="color:#0011ff;font-family:Georgia;text-shadow: 0.15em 0.15em 0.15em #db3a00;'"><b>BrandonXLF</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrandonXLF" title="User talk:BrandonXLF"><span style="color:blue;"><sup><b>(t@lk)</b></sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T23:55:00.000Z-Godsy-2018-09-23T23:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:55, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T23:55:00.000Z-Godsy-2018-09-23T23:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T23:55:00.000Z-Godsy-2018-09-23T23:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Godsy-2018-09-24T00:43:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T23:55:00.000Z"></span>"Split and merge" is convoluted. To me they seem more like two things: Split <i>then</i> merge (if the "split" does not create a new article then its not a split but rather simply moving content form one article to another). Something like this, if neccessary, is better suited for a section somewhere. It certainly doesn't need it's own discussion template or forum. <small>— <a href="/wiki/User:Godsy" title="User:Godsy"><span style="color:#39A78E;"><b>Godsy</b></span></a><sup> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Godsy" title="User talk:Godsy">TALK</a></sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Godsy" title="Special:Contributions/Godsy"><span style="color:#DAA520;">CONT</span></a>)</sub></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Godsy-2018-09-24T00:43:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T23:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:43, 24 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Godsy-2018-09-24T00:43:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T23:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Godsy-2018-09-24T00:43:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T23:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Power~enwiki-2018-09-24T02:07:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> - per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_instruction_creep" title="Wikipedia:Avoid instruction creep">Wikipedia:Avoid instruction creep</a>; not going to bother spelling out any of my more specific objections. <a href="/wiki/User:Power~enwiki" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Power~enwiki">power~enwiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Power~enwiki" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Power~enwiki"><span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span></a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Power~enwiki" title="Special:Contributions/Power~enwiki"><span style="font-family:courier">ν</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Power~enwiki-2018-09-24T02:07:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:07, 24 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Power~enwiki-2018-09-24T02:07:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Power~enwiki-2018-09-24T02:07:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pbsouthwood-2018-09-24T05:41:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> Not very useful at this point. The "how to" component is not clear and cannot be followed step by step. · · · <a href="/wiki/User:Pbsouthwood" title="User:Pbsouthwood">Peter (Southwood)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pbsouthwood" title="User talk:Pbsouthwood"><sup>(talk)</sup></a>: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Pbsouthwood-2018-09-24T05:41:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:41, 24 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pbsouthwood-2018-09-24T05:41:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pbsouthwood-2018-09-24T05:41:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-23T06:59:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Godsy-2018-09-24T18:39:00.000Z-Pbsouthwood-2018-09-24T05:41:00.000Z"></span>I concur. <small>— <a href="/wiki/User:Godsy" title="User:Godsy"><span style="color:#39A78E;"><b>Godsy</b></span></a><sup> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Godsy" title="User talk:Godsy">TALK</a></sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Godsy" title="Special:Contributions/Godsy"><span style="color:#DAA520;">CONT</span></a>)</sub></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Godsy-2018-09-24T18:39:00.000Z-Pbsouthwood-2018-09-24T05:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 24 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Godsy-2018-09-24T18:39:00.000Z-Pbsouthwood-2018-09-24T05:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Godsy-2018-09-24T18:39:00.000Z-Pbsouthwood-2018-09-24T05:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-24T20:13:00.000Z-RfC_on_making_this_page_a_guideline"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Power~enwiki" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Power~enwiki">Power~enwiki</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pythoncoder" title="User:Pythoncoder">Pythoncoder</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Godsy" title="User:Godsy">Godsy</a>:</span> There's quite a few people linking to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_instruction_creep" title="Wikipedia:Avoid instruction creep">Wikipedia:Avoid instruction creep</a> and saying it's two different things. What if it was called Content move? would you feel it stills violates <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_instruction_creep" title="Wikipedia:Avoid instruction creep">Wikipedia:Avoid instruction creep</a> or it two different things? – <a href="/wiki/User:BrandonXLF" title="User:BrandonXLF"><span style="color:#0011ff;font-family:Georgia;text-shadow: 0.15em 0.15em 0.15em #db3a00;'"><b>BrandonXLF</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrandonXLF" title="User talk:BrandonXLF"><span style="color:blue;"><sup><b>(t@lk)</b></sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-24T20:13:00.000Z-RfC_on_making_this_page_a_guideline" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 24 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-24T20:13:00.000Z-RfC_on_making_this_page_a_guideline"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-24T20:13:00.000Z-RfC_on_making_this_page_a_guideline"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T03:10:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-24T20:13:00.000Z"></span>This all just boils down to:</li></ul> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1224211176">.mw-parser-output .quotebox{background-color:#F9F9F9;border:1px solid #aaa;box-sizing:border-box;padding:10px;font-size:88%;max-width:100%}.mw-parser-output .quotebox.floatleft{margin:.5em 1.4em .8em 0}.mw-parser-output .quotebox.floatright{margin:.5em 0 .8em 1.4em}.mw-parser-output .quotebox.centered{overflow:hidden;position:relative;margin:.5em auto .8em auto}.mw-parser-output .quotebox.floatleft span,.mw-parser-output .quotebox.floatright span{font-style:inherit}.mw-parser-output .quotebox>blockquote{margin:0;padding:0;border-left:0;font-family:inherit;font-size:inherit}.mw-parser-output .quotebox-title{text-align:center;font-size:110%;font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .quotebox-quote>:first-child{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .quotebox-quote:last-child>:last-child{margin-bottom:0}.mw-parser-output .quotebox-quote.quoted:before{font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-weight:bold;font-size:large;color:gray;content:" “ ";vertical-align:-45%;line-height:0}.mw-parser-output .quotebox-quote.quoted:after{font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-weight:bold;font-size:large;color:gray;content:" ” ";line-height:0}.mw-parser-output .quotebox .left-aligned{text-align:left}.mw-parser-output .quotebox .right-aligned{text-align:right}.mw-parser-output .quotebox .center-aligned{text-align:center}.mw-parser-output .quotebox .quote-title,.mw-parser-output .quotebox .quotebox-quote{display:block}.mw-parser-output .quotebox cite{display:block;font-style:normal}@media screen and (max-width:640px){.mw-parser-output .quotebox{width:100%!important;margin:0 0 .8em!important;float:none!important}}</style><div class="quotebox pullquote centered" style="width:80%; ;"> <blockquote class="quotebox-quote left-aligned" style=""> <p>If content in an article is off topic and would be better suited in another article, then that content should be removed from the article where it is off topic and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CWW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CWW">copied, with attribution</a>, to the article where it's better suited. </p> </blockquote> </div> <dl><dd>The rest is too complicated, confusing, and unnecessary. The question is how or why the off-topic content got there in the first place, and it shouldn't require a discussion to move it to the right place. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T03:10:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-24T20:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:10, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T03:10:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-24T20:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T03:10:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-24T20:13:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Split_and_merge_templates&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Split and merge templates (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T03:19:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-24T20:13:00.000Z"></span>Template:Split and merge templates</a> should be nuked. We still aren't managing the existing merge and split templates well, and stirring them up into this muddy construction isn't going to help with managing the mess. How about stepping back and defining the problem needing to be solved before designing the solution. Show us some example articles where the problem exists. <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T03:19:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-24T20:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:19, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T03:19:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-24T20:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T03:19:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-24T20:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:04:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-24T20:13:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b>. Rather than add new, convoluted "split and merge" templates to solve issues with off-topic content, why not just use the established <a href="/wiki/Template:Off_topic" title="Template:Off topic">Template:Off topic</a>? Are there any problems with the way that's been implemented? <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) 16:04, 25 September 2018 (UTC) See also <a href="/wiki/Template:Relevance-inline" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Relevance-inline">Template:Relevance-inline</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_articles_that_may_have_off-topic_sections" title="Category:Wikipedia articles that may have off-topic sections">Category:Wikipedia articles that may have off-topic sections</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:04:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-24T20:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:04:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-24T20:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:04:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-24T20:13:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bsherr-2018-09-25T16:08:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:04:00.000Z"></span>This issue is that none of the <i>attribution</i> templates to be used are properly documented or designed for this situation. I think we're premature in formalizing the status of the page, but there is a problem to be fixed here. --<a href="/wiki/User:Bsherr" title="User:Bsherr">Bsherr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bsherr" title="User talk:Bsherr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Bsherr-2018-09-25T16:08:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bsherr-2018-09-25T16:08:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bsherr-2018-09-25T16:08:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:04:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:28:00.000Z-Bsherr-2018-09-25T16:08:00.000Z"></span>Maybe rewrite this as <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Moving_off-topic_content&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:Moving off-topic content (page does not exist)">Wikipedia:Moving off-topic content</a>. Is there any Wikipedia: page giving guidance on how to use <a href="/wiki/Template:Off_topic" title="Template:Off topic">Template:Off topic</a>? "Split" implies that the page is <i>too big</i> and content needs to be removed to reduce the size of the article, for <i>technical</i> reasons. I think this concept will be better understood as "moving off-topic content" and that's less likely to be confused with the concept of "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Moving" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Moving">WP:moving</a>" a page (which is a confusing term to newbies as it really means <i>renaming</i> a page). <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:28:00.000Z-Bsherr-2018-09-25T16:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:28:00.000Z-Bsherr-2018-09-25T16:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:28:00.000Z-Bsherr-2018-09-25T16:08:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:33:00.000Z-Bsherr-2018-09-25T16:08:00.000Z"></span>Or a more general guideline "<a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Off-topic_content&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:Off-topic content (page does not exist)">Wikipedia:Off-topic content</a>" which discusses both options for dealing with it: (1) rewrite it to get it back on topic, or (2) "move" it to an on-topic article. – <a href="/wiki/User:Wbm1058" title="User:Wbm1058">wbm1058</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wbm1058" title="User talk:Wbm1058">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:33:00.000Z-Bsherr-2018-09-25T16:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:33:00.000Z-Bsherr-2018-09-25T16:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:33:00.000Z-Bsherr-2018-09-25T16:08:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bsherr-2018-09-25T16:40:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:33:00.000Z"></span>Nope, no page discussing how to use <a href="/wiki/Template:Off_topic" title="Template:Off topic">Template:Off topic</a>. I think that's what's essentially trying to be accomplished here. We're really just talking about how we should title it. To me, all else being equal, "off topic" sounds negative and focuses on the problem while "split and merge" sounds positive and focuses on the solution. I think any title using "move" should be avoided, for exactly the reason you describe above. --<a href="/wiki/User:Bsherr" title="User:Bsherr">Bsherr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bsherr" title="User talk:Bsherr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Bsherr-2018-09-25T16:40:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bsherr-2018-09-25T16:40:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bsherr-2018-09-25T16:40:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2018-09-25T16:33:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:6.4em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:6.4em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-25T20:00:00.000Z-RfC_on_making_this_page_a_guideline"></span> Sure off topic does sound a little negative, but this page should include stuff about <a href="/wiki/Template:Off_topic" title="Template:Off topic">Template:Off topic</a>, the problem with <a href="/wiki/Template:Off_topic" title="Template:Off topic">Template:Off topic</a> is that is may also refer to a "split" rather then a "split and merge". Maybe having a section on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPLIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPLIT">WP:SPLIT</a> would be better? Then it can still be specific but we would have two very similar guidelines. – <a href="/wiki/User:BrandonXLF" title="User:BrandonXLF"><span style="color:#0011ff;font-family:Georgia;text-shadow: 0.15em 0.15em 0.15em #db3a00;'"><b>BrandonXLF</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrandonXLF" title="User talk:BrandonXLF"><span style="color:blue;"><sup><b>(t@lk)</b></sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-25T20:00:00.000Z-RfC_on_making_this_page_a_guideline" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-25T20:00:00.000Z-RfC_on_making_this_page_a_guideline"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrandonXLF-2018-09-25T20:00:00.000Z-RfC_on_making_this_page_a_guideline"></span> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SemiHypercube-2018-09-26T17:17:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-25T20:00:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> Appears to be more of an essay, does not seem to be worthy of being a guideline. <span style="text-shadow:#069 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href="/wiki/User:SemiHypercube" title="User:SemiHypercube"><b style="color:#090"><sup>Semi</sup></b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:SemiHypercube" title="User talk:SemiHypercube"><b style="color:#099"><sub>Hypercube</sub></b></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SemiHypercube" title="Special:Contributions/SemiHypercube">✎</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-SemiHypercube-2018-09-26T17:17:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-25T20:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:17, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SemiHypercube-2018-09-26T17:17:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-25T20:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SemiHypercube-2018-09-26T17:17:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-25T20:00:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-L293D-2018-09-27T01:59:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-25T20:00:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b>: This page reads more like a how-to guide than policy. Tag it with <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Wikipedia_how-to" title="Template:Wikipedia how-to">Wikipedia how-to</a>}}</code>. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href="/wiki/User:L293D" title="User:L293D"><b style="color:#060">L293D</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L293D#top" title="User talk:L293D"><b style="color:#000">☎</b></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/L293D" title="Special:Contributions/L293D"><b style="color:#000">✎</b></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-L293D-2018-09-27T01:59:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-25T20:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:59, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-L293D-2018-09-27T01:59:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-25T20:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-L293D-2018-09-27T01:59:00.000Z-BrandonXLF-2018-09-25T20:00:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_summary_requirement" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_summary_requirement-2018-09-27T03:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_summary_requirement-2018-09-27T03:43:00.000Z"></span>Edit summary requirement<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_summary_requirement-2018-09-27T03:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Section_move&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Edit summary requirement"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnuniq-2018-09-27T03:43:00.000Z-Edit_summary_requirement"></span>This page was mentioned at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copying_within_Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia">Copying within Wikipedia (aka WP:CWW)</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/861390359" title="Special:Diff/861390359">diff</a>). The essence of <i>Copying within Wikipedia</i> is easy to miss at WP:CWW and I can't see it at all in this page. @<a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a>: Do you want to offer an opinion? Should this page exist? Should it prominently show the requirement to provide an edit summary <b>with a link</b> to the source? <a href="/wiki/User:Johnuniq" title="User:Johnuniq">Johnuniq</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnuniq" title="User talk:Johnuniq">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Johnuniq-2018-09-27T03:43:00.000Z-Edit_summary_requirement" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:43, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnuniq-2018-09-27T03:43:00.000Z-Edit_summary_requirement"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnuniq-2018-09-27T03:43:00.000Z-Edit_summary_requirement"></span> </p> <dl><dd>I see a spot in Step 5 where it recommends to "make a good edit summery" so I've placed information there as to how to provide the required attribution. I think everything here is already covered by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copying_within_Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia">WP:copying within Wikipedia</a> and this page is not needed. — <a href="/wiki/User:Diannaa" title="User:Diannaa">Diannaa</a> <span style="color:red">🍁</span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diannaa" title="User talk:Diannaa">talk</a>)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-2018-10-09T01:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-2018-10-09T01:16:00.000Z"></span>Template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-2018-10-09T01:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Section_move&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Template"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Inowen-2018-10-09T01:16:00.000Z-Template"></span>I took liberty to create <a href="/wiki/Template:Create_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Create article">template:create article</a> for use in sections which should likely be in need of the split-off. -<a href="/wiki/User:Inowen" title="User:Inowen">Inowen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Inowen" title="User talk:Inowen">nlfte</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Inowen-2018-10-09T01:16:00.000Z-Template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:16, 9 October 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Inowen-2018-10-09T01:16:00.000Z-Template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Inowen-2018-10-09T01:16:00.000Z-Template"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Inowen" title="User:Inowen"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-2018-10-09T11:23:00.000Z-Inowen-2018-10-09T01:16:00.000Z"></span>Inowen</a>, <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Split" title="Template:Split">split</a>|section=yes}}</code> already does this. <a href="/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Section_move#c-Primefac-2018-10-09T11:23:00.000Z-Inowen-2018-10-09T01:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:23, 9 October 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-2018-10-09T11:23:00.000Z-Inowen-2018-10-09T01:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-2018-10-09T11:23:00.000Z-Inowen-2018-10-09T01:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Section_move&oldid=863208905">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Section_move&oldid=863208905</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 9 October 2018, at 11:23<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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