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vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2012_December_26_-_started_to_collect_chats_about_Wikiversity"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>2012 December 26 - started to collect chats about Wikiversity</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2012_December_26_-_started_to_collect_chats_about_Wikiversity-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2012_September_28_-_the_trust_factor" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2012_September_28_-_the_trust_factor"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>2012 September 28 - the trust factor</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2012_September_28_-_the_trust_factor-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2012_September_27_-_wikis_and_fear" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2012_September_27_-_wikis_and_fear"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>2012 September 27 - wikis and fear</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2012_September_27_-_wikis_and_fear-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2012_September_9_-_create_some_positive_news_for_WV" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2012_September_9_-_create_some_positive_news_for_WV"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>2012 September 9 - create some positive news for WV</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2012_September_9_-_create_some_positive_news_for_WV-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2012_May_28" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2012_May_28"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>2012 May 28</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2012_May_28-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2012 May 28 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2012_May_28-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-hosting_your_wiki/blog_with_a_good_speed-availability_(e.g._on_gitorious,_github)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#hosting_your_wiki/blog_with_a_good_speed-availability_(e.g._on_gitorious,_github)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.1</span> <span>hosting your wiki/blog with a good speed-availability (e.g. on gitorious, github)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-hosting_your_wiki/blog_with_a_good_speed-availability_(e.g._on_gitorious,_github)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2012_February_13" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2012_February_13"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>2012 February 13</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2012_February_13-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2012 February 13 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2012_February_13-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-PLE_(again)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#PLE_(again)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12.1</span> <span>PLE (again)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-PLE_(again)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-thoughts_about_Wikiversity" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#thoughts_about_Wikiversity"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12.2</span> <span>thoughts about Wikiversity</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-thoughts_about_Wikiversity-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Where_might_be_pointers?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Where_might_be_pointers?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12.2.1</span> <span>Where might be pointers?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Where_might_be_pointers?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-"blah_blah_blah"..." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#"blah_blah_blah"..."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12.2.2</span> <span>"blah blah blah"...</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-"blah_blah_blah"...-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-interaction" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#interaction"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12.2.3</span> <span>interaction</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-interaction-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-things_which_can_be_done_right_now_-_easily" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#things_which_can_be_done_right_now_-_easily"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12.2.4</span> <span>things which can be done right now - easily</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-things_which_can_be_done_right_now_-_easily-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-intro" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-4"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#intro"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12.2.4.1</span> <span>intro</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-intro-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-steps" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-4"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#steps"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12.2.4.2</span> <span>steps</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-steps-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2012_February_3:_reconstruction_of_the_past_is..." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2012_February_3:_reconstruction_of_the_past_is..."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>2012 February 3: reconstruction of the past is...</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2012_February_3:_reconstruction_of_the_past_is...-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2012_February_2_-_it_is_sad_when_a_wiki_dies/disappears" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2012_February_2_-_it_is_sad_when_a_wiki_dies/disappears"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>2012 February 2 - it is sad when a wiki dies/disappears</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2012_February_2_-_it_is_sad_when_a_wiki_dies/disappears-sublist" class="cdx-button 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id="toc-2012_February_1:_Sandbox_server_-_where_are_thou?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2012_January_18:_tool_to_see_page_views_for_every_WV_page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2012_January_18:_tool_to_see_page_views_for_every_WV_page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>2012 January 18: tool to see page views for every WV page</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2012_January_18:_tool_to_see_page_views_for_every_WV_page-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2012 January 18: tool to see page views for every WV page subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2012_January_18:_tool_to_see_page_views_for_every_WV_page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-see_also_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#see_also_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16.1</span> <span>see also</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-see_also_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2011_November_3_-_More_than_a_page?_Forget_it,_won't_work_for_most_people..._or?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2011_November_3_-_More_than_a_page?_Forget_it,_won't_work_for_most_people..._or?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>2011 November 3 - More than a page? Forget it, won't work for most people... or?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2011_November_3_-_More_than_a_page?_Forget_it,_won't_work_for_most_people..._or?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2011_October_25_-_announcement:_I_released_my_book" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2011_October_25_-_announcement:_I_released_my_book"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>2011 October 25 - announcement: I released my book</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2011_October_25_-_announcement:_I_released_my_book-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2011 October 25 - announcement: I released my book subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2011_October_25_-_announcement:_I_released_my_book-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Why_btw?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Why_btw?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18.1</span> <span>Why btw?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Why_btw?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2011_October_24_-_share_your_learning_goals" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2011_October_24_-_share_your_learning_goals"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>2011 October 24 - share your learning goals</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2011_October_24_-_share_your_learning_goals-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2011_October_24_-_emotions_while_reading_an_old_chat_log" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2011_October_24_-_emotions_while_reading_an_old_chat_log"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>2011 October 24 - emotions while reading an old chat log</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2011_October_24_-_emotions_while_reading_an_old_chat_log-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2011_October_24_-_would_now_more_focus_on_brick_and_mortar_institutions_help_WV_?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2011_October_24_-_would_now_more_focus_on_brick_and_mortar_institutions_help_WV_?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>2011 October 24 - would now more focus on brick and mortar institutions help WV ?</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2011_October_24_-_would_now_more_focus_on_brick_and_mortar_institutions_help_WV_?-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2011 October 24 - would now more focus on brick and mortar institutions help WV ? subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2011_October_24_-_would_now_more_focus_on_brick_and_mortar_institutions_help_WV_?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-My_thoughts_(hypothesis?)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#My_thoughts_(hypothesis?)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21.1</span> <span>My thoughts (hypothesis?)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-My_thoughts_(hypothesis?)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Why_is_this?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Why_is_this?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21.2</span> <span>Why is this?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Why_is_this?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-internal_factors" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#internal_factors"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21.2.1</span> <span>internal factors</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-internal_factors-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-external_factors" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#external_factors"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21.2.2</span> <span>external factors</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-external_factors-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-feedback_by_brick_+_mortar_institutions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#feedback_by_brick_+_mortar_institutions"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21.3</span> <span>feedback by brick + mortar institutions</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-feedback_by_brick_+_mortar_institutions-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2011_October_23_-_reconstructing_my_thoughts_(on_RFC_actions)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2011_October_23_-_reconstructing_my_thoughts_(on_RFC_actions)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>2011 October 23 - reconstructing my thoughts (on RFC actions)</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2011_October_23_-_reconstructing_my_thoughts_(on_RFC_actions)-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2011 October 23 - reconstructing my thoughts (on RFC actions) subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2011_October_23_-_reconstructing_my_thoughts_(on_RFC_actions)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-see_also_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#see_also_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22.1</span> <span>see also</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-see_also_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2011_October_22_-_What's_(the_status_on)_personal_learning_environment_(PLE)?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2011_October_22_-_What's_(the_status_on)_personal_learning_environment_(PLE)?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>2011 October 22 - What's (the status on) personal learning environment (PLE)?</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2011_October_22_-_What's_(the_status_on)_personal_learning_environment_(PLE)?-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2011 October 22 - What's (the status on) personal learning environment (PLE)? subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2011_October_22_-_What's_(the_status_on)_personal_learning_environment_(PLE)?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-definition" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#definition"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23.1</span> <span>definition</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-definition-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-PLE_at_other_locations" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#PLE_at_other_locations"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23.2</span> <span>PLE at other locations</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-PLE_at_other_locations-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Wikipedia" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikipedia"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23.2.1</span> <span>Wikipedia</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Wikipedia-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wikiversity" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikiversity"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23.2.2</span> <span>Wikiversity</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Wikiversity-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Google" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Google"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23.2.3</span> <span>Google</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Google-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-some_aspects" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#some_aspects"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23.3</span> <span>some aspects</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-some_aspects-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-general" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#general"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23.3.1</span> <span>general</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-general-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-data_control" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#data_control"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23.3.2</span> <span>data control</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-data_control-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-unfinishedness" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#unfinishedness"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23.3.3</span> <span>unfinishedness</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-unfinishedness-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-sharing:_what_do_I_view,_where_do_I_click,_..." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#sharing:_what_do_I_view,_where_do_I_click,_..."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23.3.4</span> <span>sharing: what do I view, where do I click, ...</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-sharing:_what_do_I_view,_where_do_I_click,_...-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-interaction_with_other_learners" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#interaction_with_other_learners"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23.3.5</span> <span>interaction with other learners</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-interaction_with_other_learners-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-used_technology" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#used_technology"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23.3.6</span> <span>used technology</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-used_technology-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2011_October_21_-_federation_(in_form_of_e.g._micro_blogging,_federated_wiki,_...)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2011_October_21_-_federation_(in_form_of_e.g._micro_blogging,_federated_wiki,_...)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>2011 October 21 - federation (in form of e.g. micro blogging, federated wiki, ...)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2011_October_21_-_federation_(in_form_of_e.g._micro_blogging,_federated_wiki,_...)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2011_October_20_-_what_can_be_added_to_"teach"_probationary_custodians" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2011_October_20_-_what_can_be_added_to_"teach"_probationary_custodians"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>2011 October 20 - what can be added to "teach" probationary custodians</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2011_October_20_-_what_can_be_added_to_"teach"_probationary_custodians-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2011 October 20 - what can be added to "teach" probationary custodians subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2011_October_20_-_what_can_be_added_to_"teach"_probationary_custodians-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-blog" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#blog"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25.1</span> <span>blog</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-blog-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-other_approaches:_language,_reviewing,_summarizing" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#other_approaches:_language,_reviewing,_summarizing"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25.2</span> <span>other approaches: language, reviewing, summarizing</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-other_approaches:_language,_reviewing,_summarizing-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-comments" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#comments"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25.3</span> <span>comments</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-comments-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2011_January_20_-_make_other_ways_more_visible_(seeing_is_believing?)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2011_January_20_-_make_other_ways_more_visible_(seeing_is_believing?)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>2011 January 20 - make other ways more visible (seeing is believing?)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2011_January_20_-_make_other_ways_more_visible_(seeing_is_believing?)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2011_January_19_-_WikipediaOS" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2011_January_19_-_WikipediaOS"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>2011 January 19 - WikipediaOS</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2011_January_19_-_WikipediaOS-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2011_January_14" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2011_January_14"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>2011 January 14</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2011_January_14-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2010_April_5_-_yeah,_the_topic_about_deletions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2010_April_5_-_yeah,_the_topic_about_deletions"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>2010 April 5 - yeah, the topic about deletions</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2010_April_5_-_yeah,_the_topic_about_deletions-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2010_April_5_-_I'd_really_like_to_make_a_movie,_one_day" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2010_April_5_-_I'd_really_like_to_make_a_movie,_one_day"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>2010 April 5 - I'd really like to make a movie, one day</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2010_April_5_-_I'd_really_like_to_make_a_movie,_one_day-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2010_March_29_-_more_people_from_WV_do_external_(micro)_blogging" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2010_March_29_-_more_people_from_WV_do_external_(micro)_blogging"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>2010 March 29 - more people from WV do external (micro) blogging</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2010_March_29_-_more_people_from_WV_do_external_(micro)_blogging-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2010_March_21_-_WV_is_for_what?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2010_March_21_-_WV_is_for_what?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>2010 March 21 - WV is for what?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2010_March_21_-_WV_is_for_what?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2010_March_20_-_I_guess_I_am_back,_somehow" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2010_March_20_-_I_guess_I_am_back,_somehow"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>2010 March 20 - I guess I am back, somehow</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2010_March_20_-_I_guess_I_am_back,_somehow-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-August_24_-_Wikiversity_the_Movie" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#August_24_-_Wikiversity_the_Movie"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>August 24 - Wikiversity the Movie</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-August_24_-_Wikiversity_the_Movie-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-August_6_-_switched_priorities" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#August_6_-_switched_priorities"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>August 6 - switched priorities</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-August_6_-_switched_priorities-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-June_17_-_words_and_their_magic" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#June_17_-_words_and_their_magic"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>June 17 - words and their magic</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-June_17_-_words_and_their_magic-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-June_16_-_why_is_the_German_Wikiversity_research_page_going_to_be_updated_?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#June_16_-_why_is_the_German_Wikiversity_research_page_going_to_be_updated_?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>June 16 - why is the German Wikiversity research page going to be updated ?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-June_16_-_why_is_the_German_Wikiversity_research_page_going_to_be_updated_?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-June_8_-_something_Wikiversity_related_at_Wikimedia_Foundation's_board_election" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#June_8_-_something_Wikiversity_related_at_Wikimedia_Foundation's_board_election"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>June 8 - something Wikiversity related at Wikimedia Foundation's board election</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-June_8_-_something_Wikiversity_related_at_Wikimedia_Foundation's_board_election-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-June_2_-_When_did_you_read_ALOUD_the_last_time_?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#June_2_-_When_did_you_read_ALOUD_the_last_time_?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>June 2 - When did you read ALOUD the last time ?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-June_2_-_When_did_you_read_ALOUD_the_last_time_?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-May_31_-_improvement_possibilities_for_German_Wikiversity_-_by_an_"outsider"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#May_31_-_improvement_possibilities_for_German_Wikiversity_-_by_an_"outsider""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>May 31 - improvement possibilities for German Wikiversity - by an "outsider"</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-May_31_-_improvement_possibilities_for_German_Wikiversity_-_by_an_"outsider"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-May_24_-_What_can_motivate_to_give_away_"their"_stuff_to_all_-_more_willingly_?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#May_24_-_What_can_motivate_to_give_away_"their"_stuff_to_all_-_more_willingly_?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>May 24 - What can motivate to give away "their" stuff to all - more willingly ?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-May_24_-_What_can_motivate_to_give_away_"their"_stuff_to_all_-_more_willingly_?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-May_19_-_OER_last_week:_Comments,_reflection,_peer_evaluation_and_feedback" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#May_19_-_OER_last_week:_Comments,_reflection,_peer_evaluation_and_feedback"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>May 19 - OER last week: Comments, reflection, peer evaluation and feedback</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-May_19_-_OER_last_week:_Comments,_reflection,_peer_evaluation_and_feedback-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle May 19 - OER last week: Comments, reflection, peer evaluation and feedback subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-May_19_-_OER_last_week:_Comments,_reflection,_peer_evaluation_and_feedback-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-questions_and_answers" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#questions_and_answers"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42.1</span> <span>questions and answers</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-questions_and_answers-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-What_is_the_most_important_thing_you've_gained_through_participation_in_the_Wikiversity_course?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#What_is_the_most_important_thing_you've_gained_through_participation_in_the_Wikiversity_course?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42.1.1</span> <span>What is the most important thing you've gained through participation in the Wikiversity course?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-What_is_the_most_important_thing_you've_gained_through_participation_in_the_Wikiversity_course?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Were_you_involved_with_Wikiversity_before_taking_this_course?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Were_you_involved_with_Wikiversity_before_taking_this_course?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42.1.2</span> <span>Were you involved with Wikiversity before taking this course?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Were_you_involved_with_Wikiversity_before_taking_this_course?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Did_you_or_will_you_complete_this_course?_What_factors_have_influenced_your_completion_status_in_this_course?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Did_you_or_will_you_complete_this_course?_What_factors_have_influenced_your_completion_status_in_this_course?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42.1.3</span> <span>Did you or will you complete this course? What factors have influenced your completion status in this course?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Did_you_or_will_you_complete_this_course?_What_factors_have_influenced_your_completion_status_in_this_course?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Will_you_continue_to_take_an_interest_in_Wikiversity_after_this_course?_Explain." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Will_you_continue_to_take_an_interest_in_Wikiversity_after_this_course?_Explain."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42.1.4</span> <span>Will you continue to take an interest in Wikiversity after this course? Explain.</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Will_you_continue_to_take_an_interest_in_Wikiversity_after_this_course?_Explain.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Does_this_course_fit_in_with_other_courses_you_are_taking?_Or_are_you_doing_it_out_of_professional,_personal_or_other_interests?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Does_this_course_fit_in_with_other_courses_you_are_taking?_Or_are_you_doing_it_out_of_professional,_personal_or_other_interests?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42.1.5</span> <span>Does this course fit in with other courses you are taking? Or are you doing it out of professional, personal or other interests?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Does_this_course_fit_in_with_other_courses_you_are_taking?_Or_are_you_doing_it_out_of_professional,_personal_or_other_interests?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Feel_free_to_comment_about_any_other_aspects_of_your_experience_in_this_course" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Feel_free_to_comment_about_any_other_aspects_of_your_experience_in_this_course"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42.1.6</span> <span>Feel free to comment about any other aspects of your experience in this course</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Feel_free_to_comment_about_any_other_aspects_of_your_experience_in_this_course-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_April_29_-_Week_9_(and_10):_Comments,_reflection,_peer_evaluation_and_feedback" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_April_29_-_Week_9_(and_10):_Comments,_reflection,_peer_evaluation_and_feedback"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>2008 April 29 - Week 9 (and 10): Comments, reflection, peer evaluation and feedback</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2008_April_29_-_Week_9_(and_10):_Comments,_reflection,_peer_evaluation_and_feedback-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2008 April 29 - Week 9 (and 10): Comments, reflection, peer evaluation and feedback subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2008_April_29_-_Week_9_(and_10):_Comments,_reflection,_peer_evaluation_and_feedback-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-todo" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#todo"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43.1</span> <span>todo</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-todo-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-thoughts" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#thoughts"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43.2</span> <span>thoughts</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-thoughts-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_April_28_-_How_important_is_a_page_?_(previously_titled:_what_is_a_page_?)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_April_28_-_How_important_is_a_page_?_(previously_titled:_what_is_a_page_?)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>2008 April 28 - How important is a page ? (previously titled: what is a page ?)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_April_28_-_How_important_is_a_page_?_(previously_titled:_what_is_a_page_?)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_April_22_-_Sharing_Video(s)_(OER_-_week_8)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_April_22_-_Sharing_Video(s)_(OER_-_week_8)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>2008 April 22 - Sharing Video(s) (OER - week 8)</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2008_April_22_-_Sharing_Video(s)_(OER_-_week_8)-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2008 April 22 - Sharing Video(s) (OER - week 8) subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2008_April_22_-_Sharing_Video(s)_(OER_-_week_8)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-todo_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#todo_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45.1</span> <span>todo</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-todo_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-thoughts_-_in_progress" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#thoughts_-_in_progress"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45.2</span> <span>thoughts - in progress</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-thoughts_-_in_progress-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-video_tutorial" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#video_tutorial"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45.2.1</span> <span>video tutorial</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-video_tutorial-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_April_19_-_Sharing_Audio_(OER_-_week_7)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_April_19_-_Sharing_Audio_(OER_-_week_7)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>2008 April 19 - Sharing Audio (OER - week 7)</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2008_April_19_-_Sharing_Audio_(OER_-_week_7)-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2008 April 19 - Sharing Audio (OER - week 7) subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2008_April_19_-_Sharing_Audio_(OER_-_week_7)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-todo_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#todo_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46.1</span> <span>todo</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-todo_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-thoughts_-_in_progress_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#thoughts_-_in_progress_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46.2</span> <span>thoughts - in progress</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-thoughts_-_in_progress_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_April_7_-_Taking_and_Sharing_Pictures_(OER_-_week_6)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_April_7_-_Taking_and_Sharing_Pictures_(OER_-_week_6)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>2008 April 7 - Taking and Sharing Pictures (OER - week 6)</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2008_April_7_-_Taking_and_Sharing_Pictures_(OER_-_week_6)-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2008 April 7 - Taking and Sharing Pictures (OER - week 6) subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2008_April_7_-_Taking_and_Sharing_Pictures_(OER_-_week_6)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-todo_4" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#todo_4"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47.1</span> <span>todo</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-todo_4-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-thoughts_-_in_progress_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#thoughts_-_in_progress_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47.2</span> <span>thoughts - in progress</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-thoughts_-_in_progress_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-feedback" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#feedback"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47.3</span> <span>feedback</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-feedback-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_April_4_-_German_Wikibooks_+_Wikiversity:_creating_together_a_flyer" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_April_4_-_German_Wikibooks_+_Wikiversity:_creating_together_a_flyer"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>2008 April 4 - German Wikibooks + Wikiversity: creating together a flyer</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_April_4_-_German_Wikibooks_+_Wikiversity:_creating_together_a_flyer-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_April_1_-_OER:_Wikipedia_and_Wikimedia_-_week_5" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_April_1_-_OER:_Wikipedia_and_Wikimedia_-_week_5"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>2008 April 1 - OER: Wikipedia and Wikimedia - week 5</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2008_April_1_-_OER:_Wikipedia_and_Wikimedia_-_week_5-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2008 April 1 - OER: Wikipedia and Wikimedia - week 5 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2008_April_1_-_OER:_Wikipedia_and_Wikimedia_-_week_5-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-todo_5" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#todo_5"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49.1</span> <span>todo</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-todo_5-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-still_in_progress" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#still_in_progress"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49.2</span> <span>still in progress</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-still_in_progress-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-thoughts_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#thoughts_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49.3</span> <span>thoughts</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-thoughts_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_March_30_-_OER_week_4:_Copyright_and_Alternatives" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_March_30_-_OER_week_4:_Copyright_and_Alternatives"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>2008 March 30 - OER week 4: Copyright and Alternatives</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2008_March_30_-_OER_week_4:_Copyright_and_Alternatives-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2008 March 30 - OER week 4: Copyright and Alternatives subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2008_March_30_-_OER_week_4:_Copyright_and_Alternatives-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-todo_6" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#todo_6"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50.1</span> <span>todo</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-todo_6-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-thoughts_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#thoughts_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50.2</span> <span>thoughts</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-thoughts_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-other_participants" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#other_participants"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50.2.1</span> <span>other participants</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-other_participants-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-still_brainstorming" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#still_brainstorming"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50.2.2</span> <span>still brainstorming</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-still_brainstorming-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-History_of_copyright_law" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-4"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#History_of_copyright_law"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50.2.2.1</span> <span>History of copyright law</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-History_of_copyright_law-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_March_29_-_German_Wikiversity_has_its_1000th_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_March_29_-_German_Wikiversity_has_its_1000th_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>2008 March 29 - German Wikiversity has its 1000th article</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_March_29_-_German_Wikiversity_has_its_1000th_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_March_27_-_Usurpation_is_against_assume_good_faith_?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_March_27_-_Usurpation_is_against_assume_good_faith_?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>2008 March 27 - Usurpation is against assume good faith ?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_March_27_-_Usurpation_is_against_assume_good_faith_?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_March_27_-_a_journey_into_the_past" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_March_27_-_a_journey_into_the_past"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>2008 March 27 - a journey into the past</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_March_27_-_a_journey_into_the_past-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_March_24_-_importing_pages_from_other_projects:_Wikiversity:Wikimedia_Garbage_Detail" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_March_24_-_importing_pages_from_other_projects:_Wikiversity:Wikimedia_Garbage_Detail"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>2008 March 24 - importing pages from other projects: Wikiversity:Wikimedia Garbage Detail</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_March_24_-_importing_pages_from_other_projects:_Wikiversity:Wikimedia_Garbage_Detail-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_March_23_-_Wikimedia_Foundation_&_Google_Summer_of_Code™" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_March_23_-_Wikimedia_Foundation_&_Google_Summer_of_Code™"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>2008 March 23 - Wikimedia Foundation & Google Summer of Code™</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_March_23_-_Wikimedia_Foundation_&_Google_Summer_of_Code™-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_March_17_-_OER_week_3:_philosophical_background_of_the_OER_movement" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_March_17_-_OER_week_3:_philosophical_background_of_the_OER_movement"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56</span> <span>2008 March 17 - OER week 3: philosophical background of the OER movement</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2008_March_17_-_OER_week_3:_philosophical_background_of_the_OER_movement-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2008 March 17 - OER week 3: philosophical background of the OER movement subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2008_March_17_-_OER_week_3:_philosophical_background_of_the_OER_movement-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Todo_7" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Todo_7"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56.1</span> <span>Todo</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Todo_7-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-thoughts_4" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#thoughts_4"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56.2</span> <span>thoughts</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-thoughts_4-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-still_brainstorming_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#still_brainstorming_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56.3</span> <span>still brainstorming</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-still_brainstorming_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Age_of_Enlightenment" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Age_of_Enlightenment"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56.3.1</span> <span>Age of Enlightenment</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Age_of_Enlightenment-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56.3.2</span> <span>Standing on the shoulders of giants</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Origins_of_the_public_library_as_a_social_institution" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Origins_of_the_public_library_as_a_social_institution"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56.3.3</span> <span>Origins of the public library as a social institution</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Origins_of_the_public_library_as_a_social_institution-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Free_Adult_Education" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Free_Adult_Education"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56.3.4</span> <span>Free Adult Education</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Free_Adult_Education-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Popular_Education" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-4"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Popular_Education"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56.3.4.1</span> <span>Popular Education</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Popular_Education-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Folk_High_School" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-4"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Folk_High_School"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56.3.4.2</span> <span>Folk High School</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Folk_High_School-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Free_Software_Movement" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Free_Software_Movement"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56.3.5</span> <span>Free Software Movement</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Free_Software_Movement-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-fun_section:_not_serious_answers_(perhaps_they_are_?)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#fun_section:_not_serious_answers_(perhaps_they_are_?)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56.4</span> <span>fun section: not serious answers (perhaps they are ?)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-fun_section:_not_serious_answers_(perhaps_they_are_?)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_March_10_-_OER_week2:_Introduction_to_LeMill_and_Wikiversity" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_March_10_-_OER_week2:_Introduction_to_LeMill_and_Wikiversity"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57</span> <span>2008 March 10 - OER week2: Introduction to LeMill and Wikiversity</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2008_March_10_-_OER_week2:_Introduction_to_LeMill_and_Wikiversity-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2008 March 10 - OER week2: Introduction to LeMill and Wikiversity subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2008_March_10_-_OER_week2:_Introduction_to_LeMill_and_Wikiversity-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-my_assignment_for_this_week" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#my_assignment_for_this_week"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57.1</span> <span>my assignment for this week</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-my_assignment_for_this_week-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-survival_guide_for_Wikiversity" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#survival_guide_for_Wikiversity"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57.2</span> <span>survival guide for Wikiversity</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-survival_guide_for_Wikiversity-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-expected_outcome_?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#expected_outcome_?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57.3</span> <span>expected outcome ?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-expected_outcome_?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Questions_I_have_at_the_moment" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Questions_I_have_at_the_moment"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57.4</span> <span>Questions I have at the moment</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Questions_I_have_at_the_moment-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-TODO_8" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#TODO_8"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57.5</span> <span>TODO</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-TODO_8-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-examples_what_was_done_already" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#examples_what_was_done_already"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57.6</span> <span>examples what was done already</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-examples_what_was_done_already-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-observations" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#observations"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57.7</span> <span>observations</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-observations-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_March_9_-_making_my_notes_to_Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War_available_on_Wikiversity" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_March_9_-_making_my_notes_to_Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War_available_on_Wikiversity"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">58</span> <span>2008 March 9 - making my notes to Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War available on Wikiversity</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_March_9_-_making_my_notes_to_Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War_available_on_Wikiversity-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_March_4_-_Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_March_4_-_Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59</span> <span>2008 March 4 - Composing free and open online educational resources</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2008_March_4_-_Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2008 March 4 - Composing free and open online educational resources subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2008_March_4_-_Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-week1:_3rd_post:_Study_the_open_education_projects_online_and_write_a_commentary_about_them_in_your_blog." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#week1:_3rd_post:_Study_the_open_education_projects_online_and_write_a_commentary_about_them_in_your_blog."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59.1</span> <span>week1: 3rd post: Study the open education projects online and write a commentary about them in your blog.</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-week1:_3rd_post:_Study_the_open_education_projects_online_and_write_a_commentary_about_them_in_your_blog.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-summary" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#summary"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59.1.1</span> <span>summary</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-summary-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Open_University_(UK)_Open_Content_Initiative" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Open_University_(UK)_Open_Content_Initiative"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59.1.2</span> <span>Open University (UK) Open Content Initiative</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Open_University_(UK)_Open_Content_Initiative-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Rice_Connexions" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Rice_Connexions"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59.1.3</span> <span>Rice Connexions</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Rice_Connexions-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-MIT_OpenCourseWare" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#MIT_OpenCourseWare"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59.1.4</span> <span>MIT OpenCourseWare</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-MIT_OpenCourseWare-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-LeMill.net" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#LeMill.net"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59.1.5</span> <span>LeMill.net</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-LeMill.net-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wikiversity_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikiversity_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59.1.6</span> <span>Wikiversity</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Wikiversity_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-other_participants_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#other_participants_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59.2</span> <span>other participants</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-other_participants_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_March_3_-_Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_March_3_-_Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">60</span> <span>2008 March 3 - Composing free and open online educational resources</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-2008_March_3_-_Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle 2008 March 3 - Composing free and open online educational resources subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-2008_March_3_-_Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-week1:_2nd_post:_Open_Educational_Resources:_What_they_are_and_why_do_they_matter?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#week1:_2nd_post:_Open_Educational_Resources:_What_they_are_and_why_do_they_matter?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">60.1</span> <span>week1: 2nd post: Open Educational Resources: What they are and why do they matter?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-week1:_2nd_post:_Open_Educational_Resources:_What_they_are_and_why_do_they_matter?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-week1:_1st_post:_personal_introduction" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#week1:_1st_post:_personal_introduction"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">60.2</span> <span><b>week1: 1st post: personal introduction</b></span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-week1:_1st_post:_personal_introduction-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-References" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#References"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">60.3</span> <span>References</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-References-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_February_3_-_contacting_different_organizations_to_foster_collaboration_&_The_Cape_Town_Open_Education_Declaration" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_February_3_-_contacting_different_organizations_to_foster_collaboration_&_The_Cape_Town_Open_Education_Declaration"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">61</span> <span>2008 February 3 - contacting different organizations to foster collaboration & The Cape Town Open Education Declaration</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_February_3_-_contacting_different_organizations_to_foster_collaboration_&_The_Cape_Town_Open_Education_Declaration-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_February_2_-_why_not_increase_collaboration_with_wikisource_?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_February_2_-_why_not_increase_collaboration_with_wikisource_?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">62</span> <span>2008 February 2 - why not increase collaboration with wikisource ?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_February_2_-_why_not_increase_collaboration_with_wikisource_?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_January_29_-_You_are_kidding_?_Wikiversity_is_(also)_about_learning_(?)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_January_29_-_You_are_kidding_?_Wikiversity_is_(also)_about_learning_(?)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">63</span> <span>2008 January 29 - You are kidding ? Wikiversity is (also) about learning (?)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_January_29_-_You_are_kidding_?_Wikiversity_is_(also)_about_learning_(?)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_January_28_-_German_WV_participates_in_the_"year_of_mathematics"_by_the_"Federal_Ministry_of_Education_and_Research"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_January_28_-_German_WV_participates_in_the_"year_of_mathematics"_by_the_"Federal_Ministry_of_Education_and_Research""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">64</span> <span>2008 January 28 - German WV participates in the "year of mathematics" by the "Federal Ministry of Education and Research"</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_January_28_-_German_WV_participates_in_the_"year_of_mathematics"_by_the_"Federal_Ministry_of_Education_and_Research"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_January_27_-_history_of_WV" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_January_27_-_history_of_WV"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">65</span> <span>2008 January 27 - history of WV</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_January_27_-_history_of_WV-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_January_23_-_whiteboard_feature_for_Sandbox_Server_0.5" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_January_23_-_whiteboard_feature_for_Sandbox_Server_0.5"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">66</span> <span>2008 January 23 - whiteboard feature for Sandbox Server 0.5</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_January_23_-_whiteboard_feature_for_Sandbox_Server_0.5-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_January_19_-_new_WV_main_pages_&_status_of_reading_group_"Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_January_19_-_new_WV_main_pages_&_status_of_reading_group_"Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">67</span> <span>2008 January 19 - new WV main pages & status of reading group <i>"Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War"</i></span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_January_19_-_new_WV_main_pages_&_status_of_reading_group_"Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_January_15_-_Wikipedia_Signpost_and_Wikiversity_&_I_must_be_crazy,_really_:-)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_January_15_-_Wikipedia_Signpost_and_Wikiversity_&_I_must_be_crazy,_really_:-)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">68</span> <span>2008 January 15 - Wikipedia Signpost and Wikiversity & I must be crazy, really :-)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_January_15_-_Wikipedia_Signpost_and_Wikiversity_&_I_must_be_crazy,_really_:-)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_January_14_-_translation_status_Wikiversities_+_what_you_can_find_on_commons" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_January_14_-_translation_status_Wikiversities_+_what_you_can_find_on_commons"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">69</span> <span>2008 January 14 - translation status Wikiversities + what you can find on commons</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_January_14_-_translation_status_Wikiversities_+_what_you_can_find_on_commons-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_January_13_-_votes_for_sysops_and_bots" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_January_13_-_votes_for_sysops_and_bots"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">70</span> <span>2008 January 13 - votes for sysops and bots</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_January_13_-_votes_for_sysops_and_bots-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_January_12:_request_for_Greek_Wikiversity_has_been_approved_!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_January_12:_request_for_Greek_Wikiversity_has_been_approved_!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">71</span> <span>2008 January 12: request for Greek Wikiversity has been approved !</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_January_12:_request_for_Greek_Wikiversity_has_been_approved_!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2008_January_07:_cooperation_with_robots.wikia.com_?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2008_January_07:_cooperation_with_robots.wikia.com_?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">72</span> <span>2008 January 07: cooperation with robots.wikia.com ?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2008_January_07:_cooperation_with_robots.wikia.com_?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_December_23_-_Jabber_with_the_Sandbox_Server" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_December_23_-_Jabber_with_the_Sandbox_Server"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">73</span> <span>2007 December 23 - Jabber with the Sandbox Server</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_December_23_-_Jabber_with_the_Sandbox_Server-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_December_16_-_teamwork_with_de.WB" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_December_16_-_teamwork_with_de.WB"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">74</span> <span>2007 December 16 - teamwork with de.WB</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_December_16_-_teamwork_with_de.WB-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_December_5_-_IRC_meeting:_"What_is_Wikiversity?"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_December_5_-_IRC_meeting:_"What_is_Wikiversity?""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">75</span> <span>2007 December 5 - IRC meeting: "What is Wikiversity?"</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_December_5_-_IRC_meeting:_"What_is_Wikiversity?"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_December_2_-_Happy_Birthday_french_WV" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_December_2_-_Happy_Birthday_french_WV"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">76</span> <span>2007 December 2 - Happy Birthday french WV</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_December_2_-_Happy_Birthday_french_WV-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_November_27_-_collecting_content_from_other_wikimedia_projects" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_November_27_-_collecting_content_from_other_wikimedia_projects"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">77</span> <span>2007 November 27 - collecting content from other wikimedia projects</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_November_27_-_collecting_content_from_other_wikimedia_projects-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_November_17_-_Greek_Wikiversity_-_final_approval_?_&_paper_about_WV" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_November_17_-_Greek_Wikiversity_-_final_approval_?_&_paper_about_WV"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">78</span> <span>2007 November 17 - Greek Wikiversity - final approval ? & paper about WV</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_November_17_-_Greek_Wikiversity_-_final_approval_?_&_paper_about_WV-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_November_11_-_what_will_happen_if_you_start_talking_to_yourself_?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_November_11_-_what_will_happen_if_you_start_talking_to_yourself_?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">79</span> <span>2007 November 11 - what will happen if you start talking to yourself ?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_November_11_-_what_will_happen_if_you_start_talking_to_yourself_?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_November_10_-_Wikiversity_flyer" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_November_10_-_Wikiversity_flyer"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">80</span> <span>2007 November 10 - Wikiversity flyer</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_November_10_-_Wikiversity_flyer-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_November_5_-_for_some_people_I_will_suffer_freely_:-)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_November_5_-_for_some_people_I_will_suffer_freely_:-)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">81</span> <span>2007 November 5 - for some people I will suffer freely :-)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_November_5_-_for_some_people_I_will_suffer_freely_:-)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_November_4_-_no_activity_by_users_from_universities,_so_what_can_we_do_about_this?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_November_4_-_no_activity_by_users_from_universities,_so_what_can_we_do_about_this?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">82</span> <span>2007 November 4 - no activity by users from universities, so what can we do about this?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_November_4_-_no_activity_by_users_from_universities,_so_what_can_we_do_about_this?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_November_2_-_throw_some_chocolate_into_the_German_Wikiversity_forum" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_November_2_-_throw_some_chocolate_into_the_German_Wikiversity_forum"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">83</span> <span>2007 November 2 - throw some chocolate into the German Wikiversity forum</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_November_2_-_throw_some_chocolate_into_the_German_Wikiversity_forum-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_November_1_-_how_to_revive_the_de:Wikiversity:Chat_?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_November_1_-_how_to_revive_the_de:Wikiversity:Chat_?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">84</span> <span>2007 November 1 - how to revive the de:Wikiversity:Chat ?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_November_1_-_how_to_revive_the_de:Wikiversity:Chat_?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_October_31_-_discussion_about_criteria_for_an_account_to_have_bot_flag_at_de.WV" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_October_31_-_discussion_about_criteria_for_an_account_to_have_bot_flag_at_de.WV"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">85</span> <span>2007 October 31 - discussion about criteria for an account to have bot flag at de.WV</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_October_31_-_discussion_about_criteria_for_an_account_to_have_bot_flag_at_de.WV-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_October_30_-_new_de.WV_chat_users" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_October_30_-_new_de.WV_chat_users"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">86</span> <span>2007 October 30 - new de.WV chat users</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_October_30_-_new_de.WV_chat_users-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_October_22_-_German_Wikiversity_has_voted_its_slogan" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_October_22_-_German_Wikiversity_has_voted_its_slogan"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">87</span> <span>2007 October 22 - German Wikiversity has voted its slogan</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_October_22_-_German_Wikiversity_has_voted_its_slogan-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_October_17_-_el.Wikiversity:_Conditionally_approved" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_October_17_-_el.Wikiversity:_Conditionally_approved"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">88</span> <span>2007 October 17 - el.Wikiversity: Conditionally approved</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_October_17_-_el.Wikiversity:_Conditionally_approved-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_October_14_-_Wikimedian_Demographics_&_reactivating_users_again_&_helping_at_es.WV_&_use_your_vote" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_October_14_-_Wikimedian_Demographics_&_reactivating_users_again_&_helping_at_es.WV_&_use_your_vote"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">89</span> <span>2007 October 14 - Wikimedian Demographics & reactivating users again & helping at es.WV & use your vote</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_October_14_-_Wikimedian_Demographics_&_reactivating_users_again_&_helping_at_es.WV_&_use_your_vote-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_October_11_-_de.WB_+_chess" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_October_11_-_de.WB_+_chess"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">90</span> <span>2007 October 11 - de.WB + chess</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_October_11_-_de.WB_+_chess-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_October_6_-_intelligent_bots_&_import_work_from_other_wikimedia_projects_(which_gets_deleted)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_October_6_-_intelligent_bots_&_import_work_from_other_wikimedia_projects_(which_gets_deleted)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">91</span> <span>2007 October 6 - intelligent bots & import work from other wikimedia projects (which gets deleted)</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_October_6_-_intelligent_bots_&_import_work_from_other_wikimedia_projects_(which_gets_deleted)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_October_4_-_immediate_bot_fix" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_October_4_-_immediate_bot_fix"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">92</span> <span>2007 October 4 - immediate bot fix</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_October_4_-_immediate_bot_fix-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_October_3_-_#wikiversity-it" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_October_3_-_#wikiversity-it"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">93</span> <span>2007 October 3 - #wikiversity-it</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_October_3_-_#wikiversity-it-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_October_1_-_try_the_good_old_lynx" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_October_1_-_try_the_good_old_lynx"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">94</span> <span>2007 October 1 - try the good old lynx</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_October_1_-_try_the_good_old_lynx-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_September_30_-_one_year_anniversary_at_German_Wikiversity_&_magic_words" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_September_30_-_one_year_anniversary_at_German_Wikiversity_&_magic_words"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">95</span> <span>2007 September 30 - one year anniversary at German Wikiversity & magic words</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_September_30_-_one_year_anniversary_at_German_Wikiversity_&_magic_words-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_September_29_-_Wikimedia_Conference_Netherlands_2007" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_September_29_-_Wikimedia_Conference_Netherlands_2007"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">96</span> <span>2007 September 29 - Wikimedia Conference Netherlands 2007</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_September_29_-_Wikimedia_Conference_Netherlands_2007-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_September_26_-_live_meeting_?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_September_26_-_live_meeting_?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">97</span> <span>2007 September 26 - live meeting ?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_September_26_-_live_meeting_?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_September_25_-_Wikiversity_screen_saver" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_September_25_-_Wikiversity_screen_saver"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">98</span> <span>2007 September 25 - Wikiversity screen saver</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_September_25_-_Wikiversity_screen_saver-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_September_23_-_inter_wiki_cooperation_&_collaborative_testing_and_fixing" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_September_23_-_inter_wiki_cooperation_&_collaborative_testing_and_fixing"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">99</span> <span>2007 September 23 - inter wiki cooperation & collaborative testing and fixing</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_September_23_-_inter_wiki_cooperation_&_collaborative_testing_and_fixing-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_September_17_-_German_Wikiversity_Slogan" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_September_17_-_German_Wikiversity_Slogan"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">100</span> <span>2007 September 17 - German Wikiversity Slogan</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_September_17_-_German_Wikiversity_Slogan-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_September_16_-_reactions_on_reponse_time_pics_&_each_IRC_channel_has_its_own_"thing"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_September_16_-_reactions_on_reponse_time_pics_&_each_IRC_channel_has_its_own_"thing""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">101</span> <span>2007 September 16 - reactions on reponse time pics & each IRC channel has its own "thing"</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_September_16_-_reactions_on_reponse_time_pics_&_each_IRC_channel_has_its_own_"thing"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_September_15_-_difference_between_Wikibooks_and_Wikiversity_?_-_service_quality_in_the_Wikiversity_forums_?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_September_15_-_difference_between_Wikibooks_and_Wikiversity_?_-_service_quality_in_the_Wikiversity_forums_?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">102</span> <span>2007 September 15 - difference between Wikibooks and Wikiversity ? - service quality in the Wikiversity forums ?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_September_15_-_difference_between_Wikibooks_and_Wikiversity_?_-_service_quality_in_the_Wikiversity_forums_?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_September_13_-_importing_&_contacting_users_again_&_#wikiversity-el_bot_unilinky" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_September_13_-_importing_&_contacting_users_again_&_#wikiversity-el_bot_unilinky"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">103</span> <span>2007 September 13 - importing & contacting users again & #wikiversity-el bot unilinky</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_September_13_-_importing_&_contacting_users_again_&_#wikiversity-el_bot_unilinky-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_September_12_-_IRC_cloak_&_Greek_Wikiversity" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_September_12_-_IRC_cloak_&_Greek_Wikiversity"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">104</span> <span>2007 September 12 - IRC cloak & Greek Wikiversity</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_September_12_-_IRC_cloak_&_Greek_Wikiversity-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_September_11_-_Uighur_Wikipedia_+_administrator_voting" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_September_11_-_Uighur_Wikipedia_+_administrator_voting"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">105</span> <span>2007 September 11 - Uighur Wikipedia + administrator voting</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2007_September_11_-_Uighur_Wikipedia_+_administrator_voting-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-2007_September_10_-_my_image_of_Wikiversity" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2007_September_10_-_my_image_of_Wikiversity"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">106</span> <span>2007 September 10 - 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Please <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">sign</a> anything you add...</span></b> </p><p><br /> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc" /> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2015_January_5_-_blog_stats">2015 January 5 - blog stats</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2015_January&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2015 January 5 - blog stats" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2015_January&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2015 January 5 - blog stats"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>this blog has been at position #167 of the "Top 1000 requests for 2014" (<a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Statistics/2014" title="Wikiversity:Statistics/2014">Wikiversity:Statistics/2014</a>) <ul><li>interesting because I don't edit it that regularly anymore <ul><li>probably bots...</li></ul></li> <li>actually it appears twice in the stats (later also at pos. 393)? <ul><li>seems due to the url encoding of the double point in the url <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikiversity_talk:Statistics/2014" title="Wikiversity talk:Statistics/2014">suggestion</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>This above made me wonder about my activity here: <ul><li>good thing is: my love for Wikiversity (in particular: English + beta) is still the strongest among all the WMF wikis I participate at</li> <li>bad thing: you'll see a declining trend in general, but an increase for the MW I run, see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://skilledtests.com/wiki/Wiki_activity">here</a></li></ul></li></ul> <p><br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2014_November_18_-_MOOC_interface">2014 November 18 - MOOC interface</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2014_November&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2014 November 18 - MOOC interface" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2014_November&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2014 November 18 - MOOC interface"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>see demo video at: <a href="/wiki/File:Wikiversity-MOOC-Script-Demo.ogv" title="File:Wikiversity-MOOC-Script-Demo.ogv">File:Wikiversity-MOOC-Script-Demo.ogv</a></li> <li>further info: <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Cafeteria#MOOC-Interface_von_englischer_Wikiversity_importieren" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Cafeteria">de:Wikiversity:Cafeteria#MOOC-Interface von englischer Wikiversity importieren</a></li></ul> <p><br /> <br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2014_August_21_-_history_repeating">2014 August 21 - history repeating</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2014_August&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2014 August 21 - history repeating" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2014_August&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2014 August 21 - history repeating"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>"this is not the 1st time for "different opinions" on WV :-( Where did (we as) WV community fail?" (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz/some_thoughts">[1]</a>)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Rebooting_Wikiversity" class="mw-redirect" title="Rebooting Wikiversity">Rebooting Wikiversity</a> (sometimes I wonder if the time spent in discussion could have been better used in impl. some/those suggestions on another hardware, with direct control. Unfortunately, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://skilledtests.com/wiki/NetKnowledge.org">this</a> failed) <ul><li>reminded to above again after I replied <a class="external text" href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Erkan_Yilmaz&curid=2146&diff=162657&oldid=162656">here</a></li></ul></li></ul> <p><br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2014_July_25_-_great_interconnection_in_the_past">2014 July 25 - great interconnection in the past</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2014_July&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2014 July 25 - great interconnection in the past" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2014_July&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2014 July 25 - great interconnection in the past"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I just realize how <i>interconnected</i> everything was back <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://skilledtests.com/wiki/index.php?title=Skilled_tester_archive&diff=13378&oldid=13377">then</a> </p> <dl><dd>looking back now: <ul><li>I have more positive feelings towards this (time)</li> <li>it was a very productive, creative and inspiring time</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>Wikiversity contributed to this</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>And my love for "the wiki" is still alive :-) </p> <dl><dd>I run my own Mediawiki since >5 years <dl><dd>and history shows that it's the only software surviving my many software experiments</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://skilledtests.com/wiki/Blog:Observations/wiki_runs_for_over_5_years">[2]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://skilledtests.com/wiki/Archive">[3]</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>This above made me prompt for a comment at my PLE diary: <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz/PLE#2014_July" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz/PLE">User:Erkan_Yilmaz/PLE#2014_July</a> </p><p><br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2014_January_21_-_reading_group_about_Noam_Chomsky">2014 January 21 - reading group about Noam Chomsky</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2014_January&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2014 January 21 - reading group about Noam Chomsky" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2014_January&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2014 January 21 - reading group about Noam Chomsky"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>currently preparing this: <a href="/wiki/Noam_Chomsky_reading_group" class="mw-redirect" title="Noam Chomsky reading group">Noam Chomsky reading group</a> </p><p><br style="clear:both;" /> <b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2013 June</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2013_June_6_-_remove_custod_rights_(inactivity)_+_rename_to_admin_(from_Pedell,_custodian)"><span id="2013_June_6_-_remove_custod_rights_.28inactivity.29_.2B_rename_to_admin_.28from_Pedell.2C_custodian.29"></span>2013 June 6 - remove custod rights (inactivity) + rename to admin (from Pedell, custodian)</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2013_June&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2013 June 6 - remove custod rights (inactivity) + rename to admin (from Pedell, custodian)" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2013_June&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2013 June 6 - remove custod rights (inactivity) + rename to admin (from Pedell, custodian)"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>... and here we go again :-(<br /><br /> German Wikiversity is voting about (<a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Cafeteria#Vom_Pedell_zum_Admin" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Cafeteria">de: Wikiversity:Cafeteria#Vom_Pedell_zum_Admin</a>): </p> <ul><li>removing flag of inactive custodians</li> <li>renaming Pedell (engl. pendant of custodian) to admin, ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> <small>uses the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a> + <a href="/wiki/Identi.ca" title="Identi.ca">Identi.ca</a></small> 12:11, 6 June 2013 (UTC)</li></ul> <p><br /><br /> 2013-06-10: unfortunately it's processed :-(<br /> From discussion page of <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/user:Frank_Schulenburg" class="extiw" title="de:user:Frank Schulenburg">de: user:Frank Schulenburg</a>:<br /> Frank asks at end that his user + talk page should be deleted and about the lost potential by doing this all<br /><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Neuregelung_der_erweiterten_Benutzerrechte_bei_Inaktivität"><span id="Neuregelung_der_erweiterten_Benutzerrechte_bei_Inaktivit.C3.A4t"></span>Neuregelung der erweiterten Benutzerrechte bei Inaktivität</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2013_June&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: Neuregelung der erweiterten Benutzerrechte bei Inaktivität" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2013_June&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: Neuregelung der erweiterten Benutzerrechte bei Inaktivität"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hallo Frank Schulenburg, nach dem <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Cafeteria#Vom_Pedell_zum_Admin" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Cafeteria">Meinungsbild zur Änderung der Regeln für Pedelle auf Wikiversity</a> heißen die Pedelle von nun an, wie auf den anderen Wikimedia-Projekten auch, Administratoren, und sie verlieren ihre erweiterten Rechte als Admin und Bürokrat nach einem Jahr Inaktivität. Minimum sind zehn Bearbeitungen pro Jahr. </p><p>Vor dem Entzug der Adminrechte ist dem Benutzer Gelegenheit zur Stellungnahme binnen zwei Wochen, das heißt <b>bis spätestens zum 23. Juni 2013</b> zu geben. Bei fruchtlosem Ablauf der Frist werden Dir Deine Adminrechte aberkannt werden. Dafür bitten wir Dich um Verständnis.--<a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Benutzer:Aschmidt" class="extiw" title="de:Benutzer:Aschmidt">Aschmidt</a> (<a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:Aschmidt" class="extiw" title="de:Benutzer Diskussion:Aschmidt">Diskussion</a>) 11:44, 9. Jun. 2013 (CEST) </p> <dl><dd>Lieber Aschmidt,</dd></dl> <dl><dd>wenn ich mir manchmal die aktuellen Entwicklungen im Wikimedia-Universum anschaue, dann frage ich mich, inwieweit die Communities überhaupt lernfähig sind.</dd></dl> <dl><dd><ul><li>Inaktive Administratoren? Mensch, ich hätte da zunächst einmal an das ungeheure Potential gedacht, was da womöglich schlummert. Da war also jemand, der vor Jahren einmal ziemlich aktiv war. Edits über Edits gemacht hat. Und viele Stunden seiner persönlichen Freizeit investiert hat. Die Einstellung dieser Person zu Dingen wie <i>Freiem Wissen</i> scheint ja damit vorhanden zu sein. Auch scheint es sich um jemanden zu handeln, der bereit ist zu ehrenamtlicher Arbeit. Begeisterung für Freies Wissen und die Bereitschaft, Freizeit für dieses Ziel einzusetzen – zwei Voraussetzungen, die auf nur wenige Menschen in unserer Gesellschaft zutreffen. Wäre es da nicht naheliegend gewesen, diesen Menschen zurückzugewinnen? Alleine der Versuch wäre doch viel lohnender, als auf Hunderte neuer Nutzer zuzugehen, sie anzusprechen und herauszufinden, ob sie ähnliche Veranlagungen mitbringen. Stattdessen gibt es einen Tritt in den Hintern und irgendwelche "Rechte" werden entzogen. Gute Gründe dafür gibt es ja nicht – Missbrauch ist nicht zu befürchten. Warum also? Die Erfahrungen in der Wikipedia haben zudem gezeigt, dass man mit solchen Maßnahmen nur potentielle Rückkehrer für immer vergrault. Hat der Entzug der Adminrechte bei Inaktivität in der Wikipedia einen positiven Effekt gehabt? Nein. Soll man hier in einem Schwesterprojekt dem Beispiel folgen? … na, die Antwort kannst Du dir ja selber geben.</li></ul></dd></dl> <dl><dd><ul><li>Begrüßungsbot? Hier liegt die Sache ja noch eindeutiger. Wir wissen doch nun schon seit vielen Jahren, dass neue Benutzer sich durch entpersonalisierte Ansprachen von Bots eher abgestoßen fühlen. Wer hat schon Lust, gleich an der Haustür von einer Maschine empfangen zu werden? Die Einführung von Begrüßungsbots in der Wikipedia hat in einem signifikanten Maße dazu geführt, dass potentielle Neuautoren gleich auf dem Absatz kehrt gemacht haben und dem Projekt verloren gegangen sind. Anders herum wissen wir schon seit Jahren und aus unzähligen Gesprächen mit langjährigen Wikipedianer, wie genau sie sich noch an ihre ersten Momente in der Wikipedia und die freundliche, individuelle Begrüßung durch einen Mitautoren erinnern können. Und wir wissen auch, wieviel ihnen das bedeutet hat und wie sehr dies zu ihrer weiteren Motivation beigetragen hat. Da war jemand, der sich für ihre Bearbeitung eines Artikels interessiert hat. Der ihnen im Idealfall in freundlicher Weise die Regeln erklärt hat. Oder sie zum Weitermachen motiviert hat. Warum also dem schlechten Beispiel der Wikipedia folgen und einen Bot einsetzen?</li></ul></dd></dl> <dl><dd>Mal ganz allgemein gefragt: was um Himmels willen können wir tun, um solches Wissen weiterzugeben und die Wiederholung von Fehlern der Vergangenheit zu vermeiden?</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Für meine Teilnahme an Wikiversity ist nun also ein Ende gekommen. Ich bitte dich, die Deadministrierung vorzunehmen und sowohl meine Benutzerseite als auch meine Diskussionsseite hier in der Wikiversity zu löschen. Ich werde die vorliegende Seite nach dem Abspeichern dieser Nachricht auch nicht mehr ansehen und den Account stillegen. Falls Du an einem weiteren Gedankenaustausch interessiert bist, dann schick mir bitte eine Email oder kontaktiere mich in der Wikipedia. Ich stehe gerne für ein Telefonat oder Ähnliches zur Verfügung.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Mit den besten Wünschen -- (<a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:Frank_Schulenburg" class="extiw" title="de:Benutzer Diskussion:Frank Schulenburg">Diskussion</a>) 15:46, 9. Jun. 2013 (CEST)</dd></dl> <p><br /> </p><p><br style="clear:both;" /> <b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2012 December</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2012_December_26_-_started_to_collect_chats_about_Wikiversity">2012 December 26 - started to collect chats about Wikiversity</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_December&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2012 December 26 - started to collect chats about Wikiversity" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_December&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2012 December 26 - started to collect chats about Wikiversity"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>In the hope others can use them (somehow) and I don't have to retype everything again...<br /> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/Wikiversity_chats">Link</a> </p><p><br style="clear:both;" /> <b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2012 September</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2012_September_28_-_the_trust_factor">2012 September 28 - the trust factor</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_September&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2012 September 28 - the trust factor" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_September&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2012 September 28 - the trust factor"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I find this funny: <br /> a user who had lots of trouble - unfortunately - becoming Wikiversity custodian on de.WV in 2008 is now on election for bureaucrat </p> <dl><dd>So much to the voices who do not trust at begin</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2012_September_27_-_wikis_and_fear">2012 September 27 - wikis and fear</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_September&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: 2012 September 27 - wikis and fear" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_September&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: 2012 September 27 - wikis and fear"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I was reminded again that a successful project starts by eliminating the fear in the community ... <br /><br /> Some advices I gave during the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://skilledtests.com/wiki/Blog:Observations/wikis_and_fear">chat</a>: </p> <ul><li>first start your <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Learning_resources" title="Wikiversity:Learning resources">learning projects</a>, than trying to change the whole Wikiversity (WV) <ul><li>this leads also to good examples to show to new people arriving at Wikiversity</li></ul></li> <li>understand people by asking them about their definition (of learning) <ul><li>I am wondering now if the concept of learning is perhaps for the majority of people fuzzy and can only be understood over time better? <ul><li>e.g. by seeing how oneself and others attempt their learning</li> <li>I think it will help people if they review their learning (it must not be formal, they can start it as a <a href="/wiki/Category:Blogs" title="Category:Blogs">blog</a> in their preferred <a href="/wiki/Category:PLE" title="Category:PLE">PLE</a> (personal learning environment))</li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>I also see after so many years that "we" did a bad job in transmitting the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Mission" title="Wikiversity:Mission"> mission of WV</a> for future generations <ul><li>though there can be different reasons for that: internal (user did not see the link to WV mission; ...), external (people did not bother to make a link on popular places; there is no understanding or compromise of what is the mission actually; ...)</li> <li>I assume here that the en.WV had probably the chance to influence this much since back then we were quite active and other WVs were influenced very likely (e.g. also to select other paths than en.WV)</li> <li>the other question would be how to do this (better?) in the <a class="external text" href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/">beta Wikiversity</a> (where new WVs are nurtured)</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2012_September_9_-_create_some_positive_news_for_WV">2012 September 9 - create some positive news for WV</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_September&veaction=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: 2012 September 9 - create some positive news for WV" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_September&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section's source code: 2012 September 9 - create some positive news for WV"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>I find <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/September_2012#Who_wants_to_help_add_news_at_the_front_page.3F" title="Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/September 2012">this</a> troubling (last time someone added content beside me, was 2 years ago) - can someone point me where is done active PR for Wikiversity lately? I see on the microblogging scene the usual WV bot pasting links, but what else?<br />My response there may sound a little bit non-politically correct, but hey, come on ...</li> <li><a href="/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitenotice" title="MediaWiki:Sitenotice">MediaWiki:Sitenotice</a>: the last time someone really added content to it was 10 months ago <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ASitenotice&diff=831999&oldid=831139">[4]</a></li></ul> <p><br style="clear:both;" /> <b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2012 May</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2012_May_28">2012 May 28</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_May&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2012 May 28" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_May&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2012 May 28"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="hosting_your_wiki/blog_with_a_good_speed-availability_(e.g._on_gitorious,_github)"><span id="hosting_your_wiki.2Fblog_with_a_good_speed-availability_.28e.g._on_gitorious.2C_github.29"></span>hosting your wiki/blog with a good speed-availability (e.g. on gitorious, github)</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_May&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: hosting your wiki/blog with a good speed-availability (e.g. on gitorious, github)" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_May&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: hosting your wiki/blog with a good speed-availability (e.g. on gitorious, github)"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>started a small howto on gitorious: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://gitorious.org/wiki-on-gitorious/pages/Home">your wiki/blog on gitorious</a> </p> <ul><li>though the "no cost"-option comes with a price: you can not post everything you want, see the TOS there</li> <li>it's by no means a new idea, but it's a nice + quick way if you want to just put content out there</li></ul> <p>see also: </p> <ul><li><a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#2011_October_21_-_federation_.28in_form_of_e.g._micro_blogging.2C_federated_wiki.2C_....29">federation (in form of e.g. micro blogging, federated wiki, ...)</a></li></ul> <p><br style="clear:both;" /> <b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2012 February</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2012_February_13">2012 February 13</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2012 February 13" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2012 February 13"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="PLE_(again)"><span id="PLE_.28again.29"></span>PLE (again)</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: PLE (again)" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: PLE (again)"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Is the question too simple? <a class="external text" href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikiversity-l/2012-February/000862.html">too dangerous</a>? not relevant? "I don't need a special term like: PLE to help me be happy here in WV"? Who knows... <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/February_2012#Personal_learning_environment_.28PLE.29_retry_question_after_4_months" title="Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/February 2012">Personal learning environment (PLE) question: retry after 4 months</a> </p><p>contacting <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://friendika.skilledtests.com/display/erkan_yilmaz/81403">more people</a> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="thoughts_about_Wikiversity">thoughts about Wikiversity</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&veaction=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: thoughts about Wikiversity" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section's source code: thoughts about Wikiversity"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikiversity-logo-en.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Wikiversity-logo-en.svg/220px-Wikiversity-logo-en.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="198" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Wikiversity-logo-en.svg/330px-Wikiversity-logo-en.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Wikiversity-logo-en.svg/440px-Wikiversity-logo-en.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1000" data-file-height="900" /></a><figcaption>So, what do you think WV is for?</figcaption></figure> <p>The below points show some of my thoughts about what WV (could be|is) </p> <dl><dd>I've noticed over time that concepts like learning, interaction, ... are most of the times blurry for others <dl><dd>some example: a user comes into chat and states: I don't understand what WV is for</dd> <dd>discussing + user states: that sounds different than what I read/saw at WV</dd> <dd>So? what does this mean?</dd></dl></dd> <dd>for the moment I seem to focus on: products and/or/vs interaction <dl><dd>Why products? Because people (tend to) see these first</dd> <dd>products is a bad term, better would be: <a href="/wiki/Learning_resources" class="mw-disambig" title="Learning resources">learning resources</a>, but that again blurs probably?</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>I started this from being unhappy or a more negative feeling after seeing some things yesterday + today </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Where_might_be_pointers?"><span id="Where_might_be_pointers.3F"></span>Where might be pointers?</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&veaction=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section: Where might be pointers?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&action=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section's source code: Where might be pointers?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:College_Math_Papers.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/College_Math_Papers.jpg/220px-College_Math_Papers.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="165" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/College_Math_Papers.jpg/330px-College_Math_Papers.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/College_Math_Papers.jpg/440px-College_Math_Papers.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1024" data-file-height="768" /></a><figcaption>How much of those are needed for perfect harmony?</figcaption></figure> <ul><li>inside <ul><li>mental models, definitions</li></ul></li> <li>outside <ul><li>structures people can not change + "obey" those then</li></ul></li></ul> <p>changing "inside" is hard or at least not fast possible, but changing form, state is perhaps easier to achieve </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id=""blah_blah_blah"..."><span id=".22blah_blah_blah.22..."></span>"blah blah blah"...</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&veaction=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section: "blah blah blah"..." class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&action=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section's source code: "blah blah blah"..."><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Human-Skeleton.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Human-Skeleton.jpg/220px-Human-Skeleton.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="369" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Human-Skeleton.jpg/330px-Human-Skeleton.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Human-Skeleton.jpg/440px-Human-Skeleton.jpg 2x" data-file-width="900" data-file-height="1510" /></a><figcaption>Can you bend the structure?</figcaption></figure> <p>The sections here may not always be related, so jump to the next one if you want... </p> <ul><li>Wiki inherits (OOP) problems due to its structure <ul><li>an example: on my own wiki there are no problems. Why? I limit access. So: interaction or thoughts with others lead to (un)happiness? <ul><li>actually it's the (spam) bots I'm unhappy with</li></ul></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikiversity-l/2012-February/000845.html">needs</a> Mediawiki can't fulfill</li></ul></li> <li>Where should people go instead of WV? other projects (WP, WB, ...) have their goal limitations... <ul><li>and since they decide to be at home here: People try to form things after their (mental) models <ul><li>There's nothing wrong with that, everyone has that right to voice their ideas + execute them <ul><li>see harmony section below</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>Is the learning definition (see <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Centaur_of_attention&diff=prev&oldid=307714">2nd part</a>) again which limits people?</li> <li>"It is about the P (P stands for people and not: pages or process)":<br />people still see "only products" and NOT people (interaction) <ul><li>but isn't it again influenced due to software, structure wiki? <ul><li>products are faster to see, realize than interaction</li></ul></li> <li>it's not only them: I noticed this for me also for a certain aspect AFTER adding the pic <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#2012_February_2_-_it_is_sad_when_a_wiki_dies.2Fdisappears">here</a> <ul><li>a wiki can just die, it's a normal, natural process: things start and somehow end, what stays from that? Memories? Remains in stone or other less destroyable things?</li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>criticizing mental things (models, ... whatever) probably never brings a happy face - short term speaking <ul><li>critizing where? public, private?</li> <li>Who are the people trying to "fix" mental models? (could go into direction like: the one-eyed is King in between blind people)</li> <li>Or: errors done in the past (by whom? teachers, parents, society ...) are to be fixed by WV participants? Even possible?</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="interaction">interaction</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&veaction=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section: interaction" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&action=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section's source code: interaction"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Talk-icon.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Talk-icon.svg/250px-Talk-icon.svg.png" decoding="async" width="250" height="250" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Talk-icon.svg/375px-Talk-icon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Talk-icon.svg/500px-Talk-icon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <ul><li>So, are there no successful examples of the so-called interaction after so many years of WV history? <ul><li>There are, but people do not see them <ul><li>So? better marketing?</li> <li>"do not see them" or: "do not WANT TO see them" ? (should be seen less as enemy picture or so) <ul><li>this counts for many sides: <ul><li>admitting it may work: does that mean being wrong? But being wrong is nothing bad: no one if perfect or has all info since humans are limited (a machine/software may have perhaps facts but misses some abilities of humans. So?<br />A mix of human + machine/software as a way out?)</li> <li>does one have the time to see the interactions? Everything costs time, so:<br /> if I do not care about i. then I also do not want to devote time + shut down immediately</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li>How could interaction be measured? <ul><li>output: products <ul><li>perhaps good interaction leads to more output? <ul><li>e.g. as stimulator, awakening of creativity?</li></ul></li> <li>not necessarily: good interaction leads first to thoughts? <ul><li>and these lead to other things, but how can one measure things separately? all connected</li></ul></li> <li>products reflect only a certain point in time + are already old when I save them <ul><li>readers normally associate the state of a product to the current time frame, but: there has time passed + interaction progressed <ul><li>the past influencing present/future</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>individual feedback <ul><li>like: "I learned something valuable today"</li> <li>but it requires someone to give feedback <ul><li>e.g. from the past courses can be seen teachers/classes are not so willing to give feedback, see <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#feedback_by_brick_.2B_mortar_institutions">here</a></li> <li>open culture, no blaming for errors or current state of a person</li></ul></li> <li>must not be direct adressed, could also be in a reflecting way, e.g. in a <a href="/wiki/Category:Blogging" title="Category:Blogging"> blog form</a></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>interactions can not exist alone <ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_or_the_egg" class="extiw" title="w:Chicken or the egg">Chicken or the egg</a></li> <li>so: trying to achieve harmony? <ul><li>are humans made for harmony? <ul><li>(perhaps in a separate section)</li> <li>in the "good ol' days" many active in WV</li> <li>explosion + many left <ul><li>What do they do now in real life?</li> <li>Their experiences (from explosion) shut down those ideals? Or are working on fulfilling them: elsewhere? <a href="/wiki/Rebooting_Wikiversity" class="mw-redirect" title="Rebooting Wikiversity">Rebooting Wikiversity</a></li> <li>This is also a result + one of the things the learning platform Wikiversity is for (?) <ul><li>possible dangers: majority <-> minority decisions, manipulation, socket accounts, ...</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>so: additional effort, but then again back to aspect: who gives me the time to achieve WV-wide harmony? <ul><li>A few people do this by spending valuable time <ul><li>Did they get a "Thank you" for that?</li> <li>or more negative things? (when seeing only now as good or bad)</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>Which technology is best for interaction? <ul><li>for each individual different</li> <li>I had to think that chat/IRC is a nice way for me <ul><li>Why? because of its fast/timely feedback possibility?</li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>Which solution could be outside of concepts like products, interaction? <ul><li>Is there a solution?</li> <li>it does not end or stop at a point, or?</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="things_which_can_be_done_right_now_-_easily">things which can be done right now - easily</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&veaction=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section: things which can be done right now - easily" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&action=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section's source code: things which can be done right now - easily"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="intro">intro</h5><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&veaction=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section: intro" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&action=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section's source code: intro"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>These are some options, but: they all require someone doing it.<br /> So: who might do it? and: why?<br /> Do people see this as important?<br /> </p><p>from chat: </p> <dl><dd><me> I think people have given up hope in WV</dd> <dd><me> people being also the internal WV people</dd> <dd><me> fighting alone, for oneself</dd> <dd>other reasons: general <a class="external text" href="https://blog.wikimedia.org/tag/strategic-plan/">decline in participation</a> Wikimedia wide; "headquarters" not using WV in their new activities, ...</dd> <dd>people maturing, analogy perhaps to <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#2011_October_21_-_federation_.28in_form_of_e.g._micro_blogging.2C_federated_wiki.2C_....29">federation</a>: <dl><dd>1. back then many used <a href="/wiki/Identi.ca" title="Identi.ca">identi.ca</a> (because not so "evil" as twitter)</dd> <dd>2. since it became more present people also use the software on their own servers</dd></dl></dd> <dd>so like: people run now their own wikis</dd></dl> <p>or... people take all for granted? </p> <dl><dd>it's free so I do not have to care about it</dd> <dd>let's misuse it? tragedy of the commons? <dl><dd>à propos misusing: people might see a blog or this blog also as misusing. But still it's possible (right now) in WV to do this (one of the freedoms)</dd> <dd>I could also write it somewhere else, e.g. in my own wiki, bu then it feels like it's not belonging to WV anymore (OK, it could be imported again), but it gives additional burdens, e.g. when someone wants to add a comment, must register account...</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="steps">steps</h5><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&veaction=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section: steps" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&action=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section's source code: steps"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Advancedsettings.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Advancedsettings.png/220px-Advancedsettings.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="220" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Advancedsettings.png 1.5x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256" /></a><figcaption>Let's get this sh.t started...</figcaption></figure> <ul><li>showing the good parts of WV <ul><li>no one collects feedback from external institutions using WV <ul><li>e.g. we created this page: <a class="external text" href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Brick_and_mortar_collaboration">Brick and mortar collaboration</a> <ul><li>when was it created? when people wanted to shut down WV</li></ul></li> <li>see <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#2011_October_24_-_would_now_more_focus_on_brick_and_mortar_institutions_help_WV_.3F">would now more focus on brick and mortar institutions help WV ?</a></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>motivate others to talk more about "their learning" (aspects, definitions, ...) <ul><li>could be done by asking on talk page + collecting <ul><li>showing on front page as: user xyz thinks: Learning is/involves...</li></ul></li> <li>in meetings: <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Meetings/Learning_on_Wikiversity/03June2008/log#PLE" title="Wikiversity:Meetings/Learning on Wikiversity/03June2008/log">Wikiversity:Meetings/Learning on Wikiversity</a> (June 2008, <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Meetings/Learning_on_Wikiversity/03June2008#Summary" title="Wikiversity:Meetings/Learning on Wikiversity/03June2008">summary</a> for meeting)</li></ul></li> <li><span style="font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;color:red;background-color:transparent">there are no efforts anymore to do things over the various WVs</span> :-( <ul><li>including all of the WVs for a global vision, task, ...</li> <li>I mean there are few contributors + WV participants might understand the situation better + more willingly help out, give feedback...</li> <li>Perhaps initiating again <a class="external text" href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Reports">Wikiversity:Reports</a> might be easier</li> <li>a propos vison: <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Vision" title="Wikiversity:Vision">Wikiversity:Vision</a> <ul><li>compare the length in <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Vision/2009" title="Wikiversity:Vision/2009">2009</a> + <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Vision/2010" title="Wikiversity:Vision/2010">2010</a></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>see <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#2011_October_20_-_what_can_be_added_to_.22teach.22_probationary_custodians">here</a>: blogging, using language that encourages, summarizing task force, ...</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2012_February_3:_reconstruction_of_the_past_is...">2012 February 3: reconstruction of the past is...</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&veaction=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section: 2012 February 3: reconstruction of the past is..." class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&action=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section's source code: 2012 February 3: reconstruction of the past is..."><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Flickr_-_Ion_Chibzii_-_I_the_archeologist_(50th_years).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Flickr_-_Ion_Chibzii_-_I_the_archeologist_%2850th_years%29.jpg/220px-Flickr_-_Ion_Chibzii_-_I_the_archeologist_%2850th_years%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="165" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Flickr_-_Ion_Chibzii_-_I_the_archeologist_%2850th_years%29.jpg/330px-Flickr_-_Ion_Chibzii_-_I_the_archeologist_%2850th_years%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Flickr_-_Ion_Chibzii_-_I_the_archeologist_%2850th_years%29.jpg/440px-Flickr_-_Ion_Chibzii_-_I_the_archeologist_%2850th_years%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="800" data-file-height="600" /></a><figcaption>Archeology? I don't care, we're here only for da money. NO one will notice anyway what's wrong or right</figcaption></figure> <ul><li>...hard:</li></ul> <dl><dd>I mean I've problems in my life time to find out why these peaks happened: <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations" title="User talk:Erkan Yilmaz/observations">blog</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Erkan_Yilmaz/PLE" title="User talk:Erkan Yilmaz/PLE">PLE</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd>So I decided to not believe any archeologist who reconstructs something from a few thousand years back ;-)</dd></dl> <ul><li>...attached with emotions:</li></ul> <dl><dd>Had to think of the past - wonder where all the guys are now? made me feel sad (I just saw that the below chapter also includes the word sad)</dd></dl> <p><br /> </p> <dl><dd>But some hours ago something positive: <br /></dd> <dd>had some nice grins when reading the BaB page - WV pages as time machine is just wonderful (see about time conservation: 2011-10-24 in the <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz/PLE#thoughts_8" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz/PLE">PLE</a>)</dd></dl> <dl><dd>I wonder if the humour is still alive?</dd></dl> <p><br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2012_February_2_-_it_is_sad_when_a_wiki_dies/disappears"><span id="2012_February_2_-_it_is_sad_when_a_wiki_dies.2Fdisappears"></span>2012 February 2 - it is sad when a wiki dies/disappears</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&veaction=edit&section=T-11" title="Edit section: 2012 February 2 - it is sad when a wiki dies/disappears" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&action=edit&section=T-11" title="Edit section's source code: 2012 February 2 - it is sad when a wiki dies/disappears"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Rest_in_Peace_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1519424.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Rest_in_Peace_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1519424.jpg/220px-Rest_in_Peace_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1519424.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="293" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Rest_in_Peace_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1519424.jpg/330px-Rest_in_Peace_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1519424.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Rest_in_Peace_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1519424.jpg/440px-Rest_in_Peace_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1519424.jpg 2x" data-file-width="480" data-file-height="640" /></a><figcaption>many of us are here already, it's cozy</figcaption></figure> <p>Netknowledge.org is not accessible anymore (http 403) since about 1 month I think.<br /> I've emailed people for another link. If all fails, hopefully someone can give me a dump so I can host it in my wiki with same licence. </p> <dl><dt>2012-02-13</dt> <dd></dd> <dd>no feedback yet</dd> <dd>just reading <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#sharing:_what_do_I_view.2C_where_do_I_click.2C_...">here</a> and can't find cached version (google or archive.org (The machine that serves this file is down. We're working on it.)) of H.'s <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://skilledtests.com/wiki/NetKnowledge.org/Research:User_editing_patterns_and_collaboration">Research:User editing patterns and collaboration</a></dd></dl> <ul><li>Hi Erkan! Unfortunately no. I have been taking part in the Stanford online course experiment, the first of which is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://ai-class.com">here</a>. I am coming to realise that we may need to go beyond wikimedia to have a functioning wikiversity, since, for example, the guys will never turn on the youtube extension. <a href="/wiki/User:Hillgentleman" title="User:Hillgentleman">Hillgentleman</a> | //\\ |<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hillgentleman" title="User talk:Hillgentleman">Talk</a> 16:04, 14 February 2012 (UTC)</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Yeah, the extension freedom is a problem. I could imagine with some fancy features, people could turn their "boring" courses into nice things (e.g. wikieducator is more courageous in using extensions).</dd> <dd>On the other hand: NK did not work out + is actually gone now, wikademia has no active contributions</dd> <dd>I guess the answer is: looking at all of the similar efforts and pick the best things and start "something" with those features</dd> <dd>Or: just join the best initiative, since building something up alone needs more time :-( ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> <small>uses the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a> + <a href="/wiki/Identi.ca" title="Identi.ca">Identi.ca</a></small> 16:33, 14 February 2012 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dt>2012-09-08</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ul><li>I'm starting to recover that wiki's content <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://skilledtests.com/wiki/NetKnowledge.org">here</a>, though I think a major part is lost forever :-(</li> <li>after 90 pages there come thoughts like this: <ul><li>people who look at it might think it was an amateurish thing, but remember: you see pages only from cache from its beginning of NetKnowledge :-(</li> <li>which reminds me how any work in its early stages (be it on paper, virtual, e.g. wiki) must look to others in its baby steps -> praise the learning process one does over time ! :-)</li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dt>2014-11-18</dt> <dd></dd></dl> <ul><li>24% of the wikis I participated in the past are gone by now <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://skilledtests.com/wiki/My_other_wiki_accounts">[5]</a> :-(</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="see_also">see also</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&veaction=edit&section=T-12" title="Edit section: see also" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&action=edit&section=T-12" title="Edit section's source code: see also"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/downloads/list">a list of backuped wikis</a> <ul><li>February: 139</li> <li>May 28: 151</li> <li>September 7: 152 (only 1 more)</li> <li>September 26: 153</li> <li>December 12: 153 <- no increase, why ?</li></ul></li></ul> <p><br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2012_February_1:_Sandbox_server_-_where_are_thou?"><span id="2012_February_1:_Sandbox_server_-_where_are_thou.3F"></span>2012 February 1: Sandbox server - where are thou?</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&veaction=edit&section=T-13" title="Edit section: 2012 February 1: Sandbox server - where are thou?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_February&action=edit&section=T-13" title="Edit section's source code: 2012 February 1: Sandbox server - where are thou?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikiversity-l/2012-February/000839.html">Sandbox server: status (not possible to set up for >1 year?)</a> (mailing list) </p><p><br style="clear:both;" /> <b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2012 January</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2012_January_18:_tool_to_see_page_views_for_every_WV_page">2012 January 18: tool to see page views for every WV page</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_January&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2012 January 18: tool to see page views for every WV page" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_January&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2012 January 18: tool to see page views for every WV page"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>some examples from en.WV, needs a little polishing and everyone can use online: </p> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:English_Wikiversity_-_main_page_-_monthly_views.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Main Page (rank: 2)"><img alt="Main Page (rank: 2)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/English_Wikiversity_-_main_page_-_monthly_views.png/120px-English_Wikiversity_-_main_page_-_monthly_views.png" decoding="async" width="120" height="81" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/English_Wikiversity_-_main_page_-_monthly_views.png/180px-English_Wikiversity_-_main_page_-_monthly_views.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/English_Wikiversity_-_main_page_-_monthly_views.png/240px-English_Wikiversity_-_main_page_-_monthly_views.png 2x" data-file-width="1070" data-file-height="720" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">Main Page<br />(rank: 2)</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:English_Wikiversity_-_colloquium_-_monthly_views.png" class="mw-file-description" title="Colloquium (rank: 23)"><img alt="Colloquium (rank: 23)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/English_Wikiversity_-_colloquium_-_monthly_views.png/120px-English_Wikiversity_-_colloquium_-_monthly_views.png" decoding="async" width="120" height="84" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/English_Wikiversity_-_colloquium_-_monthly_views.png/180px-English_Wikiversity_-_colloquium_-_monthly_views.png 1.5x, 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srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/My_blog_on_English_Wikiversity_-_main_page_-_monthly_views.png/180px-My_blog_on_English_Wikiversity_-_main_page_-_monthly_views.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/My_blog_on_English_Wikiversity_-_main_page_-_monthly_views.png/240px-My_blog_on_English_Wikiversity_-_main_page_-_monthly_views.png 2x" data-file-width="1070" data-file-height="670" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">this blog's main page<br />(rank: 1083)</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:English_Wikiversity_-_user_page_Erkan_Yilmaz_-_monthly_views.png" class="mw-file-description" title="my user page (rank: 1516)"><img alt="my user page (rank: 1516)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/English_Wikiversity_-_user_page_Erkan_Yilmaz_-_monthly_views.png/120px-English_Wikiversity_-_user_page_Erkan_Yilmaz_-_monthly_views.png" decoding="async" width="120" height="81" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/English_Wikiversity_-_user_page_Erkan_Yilmaz_-_monthly_views.png/180px-English_Wikiversity_-_user_page_Erkan_Yilmaz_-_monthly_views.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/English_Wikiversity_-_user_page_Erkan_Yilmaz_-_monthly_views.png/240px-English_Wikiversity_-_user_page_Erkan_Yilmaz_-_monthly_views.png 2x" data-file-width="1050" data-file-height="710" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">my user page<br />(rank: 1516)</div> </li> </ul> <p>and here from the main links from the left navigation:<br /> <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Main_Page" title="Wikiversity:Main Page">Wikiversity:Main Page</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium" title="Wikiversity:Colloquium">Wikiversity:Colloquium</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Community_Portal" title="Wikiversity:Community Portal">Wikiversity:Community Portal</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Browse" title="Wikiversity:Browse">Wikiversity:Browse</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:News" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikiversity:News">Wikiversity:News</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Community_projects" title="Wikiversity:Community projects">Wikiversity:Community projects</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Help_desk" title="Wikiversity:Help desk">Wikiversity:Help desk</a>, <a href="/wiki/Help:Guides" title="Help:Guides">Help:Guides</a> </p> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:English_Wikiversity_-_several_pages_-_monthly_views.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/English_Wikiversity_-_several_pages_-_monthly_views.png/120px-English_Wikiversity_-_several_pages_-_monthly_views.png" decoding="async" width="120" height="84" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/English_Wikiversity_-_several_pages_-_monthly_views.png/180px-English_Wikiversity_-_several_pages_-_monthly_views.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/English_Wikiversity_-_several_pages_-_monthly_views.png/240px-English_Wikiversity_-_several_pages_-_monthly_views.png 2x" data-file-width="952" data-file-height="670" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:English_Wikiversity_-_several_pages_-_monthly_views_-_part2.png" class="mw-file-description" title="without Main Page"><img alt="without Main Page" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/English_Wikiversity_-_several_pages_-_monthly_views_-_part2.png/120px-English_Wikiversity_-_several_pages_-_monthly_views_-_part2.png" decoding="async" width="120" height="74" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/English_Wikiversity_-_several_pages_-_monthly_views_-_part2.png/180px-English_Wikiversity_-_several_pages_-_monthly_views_-_part2.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/English_Wikiversity_-_several_pages_-_monthly_views_-_part2.png/240px-English_Wikiversity_-_several_pages_-_monthly_views_-_part2.png 2x" data-file-width="1100" data-file-height="680" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">without Main Page</div> </li> </ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="see_also_2">see also</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_January&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: see also" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2012_January&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: see also"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity%3AColloquium&action=historysubmit&diff=866081&oldid=865815">comment</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/January_2012#Resource_traffic_statistics" title="Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/January 2012">Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/January_2012#Resource traffic statistics</a></li></ul> <p><b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2011 November</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2011_November_3_-_More_than_a_page?_Forget_it,_won't_work_for_most_people..._or?"><span id="2011_November_3_-_More_than_a_page.3F_Forget_it.2C_won.27t_work_for_most_people..._or.3F"></span>2011 November 3 - More than a page? Forget it, won't work for most people... or?</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_November&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2011 November 3 - More than a page? Forget it, won't work for most people... or?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_November&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2011 November 3 - More than a page? Forget it, won't work for most people... or?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Camels_in_Dubai_1.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Camels_in_Dubai_1.jpg/220px-Camels_in_Dubai_1.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="132" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Camels_in_Dubai_1.jpg/330px-Camels_in_Dubai_1.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Camels_in_Dubai_1.jpg/440px-Camels_in_Dubai_1.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1210" data-file-height="724" /></a><figcaption>Come on, give me a break... I can't do all alone.. I heard <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus" class="extiw" title="w:Sisyphus">Sisyphus</a> takes on any task</figcaption></figure> <p>Had a small thought which I want to note down first + think more about it... </p> <ul><li>(First there was Wikipedia <ul><li>no, there was <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiWikiWeb">WikiWikiWeb</a> first</li> <li>ok, enough of that :-) )</li></ul></li> <li>so... before WV came into play there was Wikibooks (WB) <ul><li>what has WB to do with WV? at begin we had many discussions why forces are split into WV instead helping WB <ul><li>one argument for WV was its <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Original_research" title="Wikiversity:Original research">primary research</a> possibility</li></ul></li> <li>anyways: those discussions reminded me of WB's situation + WV (triggered by my first edit from today)</li></ul></li> <li>question: How evolved is Wikibooks (WB) - in let's say - terms of contribution now? <ul><li>from my last interactions: not so far evolved</li> <li>todo: look for activity numbers, my interactions may be too old</li> <li>(next question after finishing todo: why did WB not achieve/get more activity?)</li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li>I'll jump over some mind steps now: <ul><li>hypothesis: any activity involving more than "a page" is too long for editors (familiar with some big wikis - I won't say names now)? <ul><li>you know people find always excuses like: work, family, edit wars, ...</li> <li>so... learning itself will definitely be >1 page (if I may say it in this analogy) <ul><li>2013-09-23: this sentence is wrong: learning can happen at any size, it may perhaps be true when one sees from the POV of a person who wants to create learning material for others, though not necessarily</li></ul></li> <li>or to speak with Wikibooks: a book >1 page</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <p>so, and now I am thinking... </p><p><br style="clear:both;" /> <b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2011 October</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2011_October_25_-_announcement:_I_released_my_book">2011 October 25 - announcement: I released my book</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2011 October 25 - announcement: I released my book" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2011 October 25 - announcement: I released my book"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I announced it like this: </p><p><br /> </p> <table style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 2px;margin:0em 0em 0em 0em; width:77%; height:auto; {{{style}}};"> <tbody><tr> <td colspan="1" style="padding:0; width:100%; height:auto; vertical-align:top; border:1px solid #71be3f; background-color:#f6fff1;"> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_kopete.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Nuvola_apps_kopete.png/48px-Nuvola_apps_kopete.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="48" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Nuvola_apps_kopete.png/72px-Nuvola_apps_kopete.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Nuvola_apps_kopete.png/96px-Nuvola_apps_kopete.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <div style="border-bottom:1px solid #71be3f; background-color:#c0eaa6; padding:0.2em 0.9em 0.2em 0.5em; font-size:120%; font-weight:bold;">Announcement</div> <p>time to release "<b>My book</b>"<br /> </p><p>as the title says it's a personal book by Erkan YILMAZ<br /> (though it's collaborative work by currently >40 authors)<br /><br /> </p><p>He has been contributing to this since 2007<br /> it contains >1200 pages + <br /> has >500k views (in October 2011) <br /> </p><p>I think you'll be surprised ;-) by it... </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/My_book">read it here</a> </p> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Why_btw?"><span id="Why_btw.3F"></span>Why btw?</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: Why btw?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: Why btw?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I find it funny how people nowadays "release" books + want even money for this...<br /> see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:Standing on the shoulders of giants">wikipedia: Standing on the shoulders of giants</a><br /> This is now a satirical approach to this, but as well shows a little summary what I've been doing with my wiki. I guess I'll need to polish some more things with this...<br /> I think with my WV contributions I could bring it to >5k pages ;-) </p><p>I've to look into the <a class="external text" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PdfBook">book extension</a> if it would actually be possible somehow to get a "book" from "my" WV contributions? </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2011_October_24_-_share_your_learning_goals">2011 October 24 - share your learning goals</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: 2011 October 24 - share your learning goals" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section's source code: 2011 October 24 - share your learning goals"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Learning_goals" title="Wikiversity:Learning goals">Wikiversity:Learning goals</a> - last edit 1 year ago :-( </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2011_October_24_-_emotions_while_reading_an_old_chat_log">2011 October 24 - emotions while reading an old chat log</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section: 2011 October 24 - emotions while reading an old chat log" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section's source code: 2011 October 24 - emotions while reading an old chat log"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Backward_Clock_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1077661.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Backward_Clock_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1077661.jpg/220px-Backward_Clock_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1077661.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="293" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Backward_Clock_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1077661.jpg/330px-Backward_Clock_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1077661.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Backward_Clock_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1077661.jpg/440px-Backward_Clock_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1077661.jpg 2x" data-file-width="480" data-file-height="640" /></a><figcaption>cheapest time machine on this planet, copyright: only Wikiversity</figcaption></figure> <p>it's about this: <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Meetings/Learning_on_Wikiversity/03June2008/log#PLE" title="Wikiversity:Meetings/Learning on Wikiversity/03June2008/log">Wikiversity:Meetings/Learning on Wikiversity</a> (June 2008, <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Meetings/Learning_on_Wikiversity/03June2008#Summary" title="Wikiversity:Meetings/Learning on Wikiversity/03June2008">summary</a> for meeting) </p><p>here's some short things that came to mind, I did not review this in points of why and how, just the emotions it brought to me, ordered chronologically: </p> <ul><li>Nazi POV (5:41pm-5:42pm)</li> <li>I smiled at some of wknight8111's comments</li> <li>hah, nice to read after so many years: chat log from: 5:58pm - 5:59pm</li> <li><ErkanYilmaz1> so far .. I like the chat log</li></ul> <dl><dd><ErkanYilmaz1> it sums pretty nicely up what we thought</dd> <dd><ErkanYilmaz1> and I must say nothing changed from back then</dd> <dd><ErkanYilmaz1> this time preserving aspect of pages is fantastic</dd></dl> <ul><li><ErkanYilmaz1> man, I was genial back then:</li></ul> <dl><dd><ErkanYilmaz1> [6:46pm] cormaggio: Erkan - the notion of how to include people into the process of learning, when they might first appear to be radical POV's or vandals etc</dd> <dd><ErkanYilmaz1> [6:46pm] Erkan_Yilmaz: well isn't there - <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Assume_Good_Faith" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikiversity:Assume Good Faith">assume good faith</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers" title="Wikiversity:Please do not bite the newcomers">don't bite newcomers</a>?</dd></dl> <p>see <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AErkan_Yilmaz%2FPLE&action=historysubmit&diff=805789&oldid=805779">this edit</a> which shows what I think about reviewing (old things) </p><p><br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2011_October_24_-_would_now_more_focus_on_brick_and_mortar_institutions_help_WV_?"><span id="2011_October_24_-_would_now_more_focus_on_brick_and_mortar_institutions_help_WV_.3F"></span>2011 October 24 - would now more focus on brick and mortar institutions help WV ?</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section: 2011 October 24 - would now more focus on brick and mortar institutions help WV ?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section's source code: 2011 October 24 - would now more focus on brick and mortar institutions help WV ?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Let's start first with: </p> <ul><li><a class="external text" href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Brick_and_mortar_collaboration">Brick and mortar collaboration</a> - a page at beta WV showing the global effort <ul><li>probably for some of you the first time you visit beta Wikiversity</li></ul></li></ul> <p>And now take a look at the <a href="/wiki/Special:RecentChanges" title="Special:RecentChanges">RecentChanges</a> </p> <ul><li>when I did: there seems brick + mortar (b+m) activity, but also has been in the past</li></ul> <p>I remember we created the beta-wikiversity page because it was <b>not so easily visible</b> to see by whom WV is also used (if I remember correct it helped us get the message to people in one of those discussions about shutting down WV, see <a href="/wiki/Talk:Rebooting_Wikiversity#reasons" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Rebooting Wikiversity">here</a>).<br /> </p><p>From what I see there has not been so much effort to identify current b+m institutions (that's also why I asked: <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/October_2011#any_news_to_present_people_on_Main_page_-_since_April_2011.3F" title="Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/October 2011">any news to present people on Main page - since April 2011?</a>) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="My_thoughts_(hypothesis?)"><span id="My_thoughts_.28hypothesis.3F.29"></span>My thoughts (hypothesis?)</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section: My thoughts (hypothesis?)" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section's source code: My thoughts (hypothesis?)"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>discussions if a <a href="/wiki/Learning_resource" title="Learning resource">learning resource</a> should stay (as it is) here at WV is caused by a small percentage of WV editors <ul><li>Something like the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle" class="extiw" title="w:Pareto principle">w:Pareto principle</a> though even smaller, let's say: <1% of editors tend to make 80% of the "hot" discussions?</li></ul></li> <li>probably it's also often about cases/situations which are not yet experienced here or will not be</li> <li>can the focus on b+m institutions help <ul><li>that those hot discussions become relative?<br />(e.g. not only visible by RecentChanges but that "public" places like the Colloquium are filled with other topics e.g. b+m learners have? there are also places like the Help Desk )</li> <li>reputation: WV is not anymore considered a place of "crazy people"/trolls... ?</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Why_is_this?"><span id="Why_is_this.3F"></span>Why is this?</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section: Why is this?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section's source code: Why is this?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="internal_factors">internal factors</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section: internal factors" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section's source code: internal factors"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>pride/ego <ul><li>of the editors of those "unfit" considered learning resources?</li> <li>to create something new + to distinguish oneself?</li></ul></li> <li>personal dislike</li> <li>nothing to do?</li> <li>(no will to) help learners (from brick and mortar institutions)? <ul><li>because they have already an instructor + own internal syllabus?</li></ul></li> <li>creating a <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:FAQ/Fork" title="Wikiversity:FAQ/Fork">fork</a> costs (time)?</li> <li>one is not really interested to help others to learn (or understand views: theirs/mine)?</li> <li>my definition of learning is different than yours, so I see things in view of this specific learning only?</li> <li>without "hot discussions" it's too boring (e.g. WV not having - for me - good enough learning resources? ;-))</li> <li>...</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="external_factors">external factors</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section: external factors" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section's source code: external factors"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>not formulated policy?</li> <li>...</li></ul> <p>I'm not saying b+m related topics should have only focus, because individual learning (see <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Personal_learning_environment" title="Wikiversity:Personal learning environment">Wikiversity:Personal learning environment</a>) plays a role also (if not more, because each editor is (first?) an individual) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="feedback_by_brick_+_mortar_institutions"><span id="feedback_by_brick_.2B_mortar_institutions"></span>feedback by brick + mortar institutions</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section: feedback by brick + mortar institutions" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section's source code: feedback by brick + mortar institutions"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I've now contacted some b+m people + asked for their <b>feedback</b> (e.g. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEgm6321.f11&action=historysubmit&diff=805675&oldid=800919">[6]</a>), while doing that another thought came to mind: </p> <ul><li>do b+m institutions review (or even more: reuse) other b+m's work here? What do they think of that? They could share each other (better?) feedback because? <ul><li>I mean it's still all here new-land, but I find it good that people step out of their institutions + share OER</li></ul></li> <li>I also would like to know how people see things in 7 years: e.g. did their work here at WV help that their OWN understanding/efforts develop better?</li> <li>One should not forget the <b>multiplying effect</b>: when b+m use WV this means that the students/participants learn about WV, OER initiatives + they again use it or share with others</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2011_October_23_-_reconstructing_my_thoughts_(on_RFC_actions)"><span id="2011_October_23_-_reconstructing_my_thoughts_.28on_RFC_actions.29"></span>2011 October 23 - reconstructing my thoughts (on RFC actions)</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-11" title="Edit section: 2011 October 23 - reconstructing my thoughts (on RFC actions)" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-11" title="Edit section's source code: 2011 October 23 - reconstructing my thoughts (on RFC actions)"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>this will probably not be 100% complete (but let's see what can I think of),<br /> it's triggered by a comment <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AErkan_Yilmaz%2Fobservations%2F2011_October&action=historysubmit&diff=803664&oldid=803662">here</a> + my thoughts what would help WV greatly (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AErkan_Yilmaz%2Fobservations%2F2011_October&action=historysubmit&diff=803642&oldid=803632">thoughts on learning, PLE</a>) </p> <ul><li>it started with <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Erkan_Yilmaz#Unused_files" title="User talk:Erkan Yilmaz">this</a> (15 October) <ul><li>at that time tbh I did not care much if the files would be deleted or not <ul><li>why? because the <a href="/wiki/Topic:Sandbox_Server_0.5" class="mw-redirect" title="Topic:Sandbox Server 0.5">Sandbox Server</a> (idea) was dead</li> <li>though I've a thought right now: in terms of preserving <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:History_of_Wikiversity" title="Wikiversity:History of Wikiversity">WV history</a> it should not be deleted + tried to fix so it can stay</li></ul></li> <li>I was merely concerned people did not use the tools to find out more before requesting a deletion</li></ul></li> <li>5h later <a href="/wiki/User:S_Larctia" class="mw-redirect" title="User:S Larctia">User:S Larctia</a> deleted the files <ul><li>I was still more concerned about tool usage</li> <li>which resulted in an improvement (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABilby&action=historysubmit&diff=802799&oldid=802798">summary: ying yang</a>)</li> <li>but did not yet see need to write something <ul><li>I was actually asked if I write something which I declined (I think the emotion back then being: too much effort)</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li>concerns about <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJohn_Bessa&action=historysubmit&diff=802337&oldid=802294">this block</a> (20 October) <ul><li>I didn't want to intervene myself <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJohn_Bessa&action=historysubmit&diff=803166&oldid=803157">[7]</a> yet, but I saw others contacted SLarctica</li> <li>because my view: blocks do not help in such cases, they can stop spammers for a short time, but that's it</li> <li>thought of as <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity%3ACandidates_for_Custodianship%2FS_Larctia_%28full_custodian%29&action=historysubmit&diff=803091&oldid=803071">personal gain</a></li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li>When I saw <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity%3ACandidates_for_Custodianship%2FS_Larctia_%28full_custodian%29&action=historysubmit&diff=802813&oldid=802781">SBJ's edit</a> (21 October) I thought I should also write my opinion <ul><li>I think without SBJ's edit I would not have edited on that page besides <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity%3ACandidates_for_Custodianship%2FS_Larctia_%28full_custodian%29&action=historysubmit&diff=802072&oldid=801522">this</a> (summary comment: re: deletion comment + lazyness? or else?)</li> <li>one reason being: Slarctica redacted before, and with a huge removal like this I was wondering what the mentee would learn from this for the future</li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li>I remember after posting <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity%3ACandidates_for_Custodianship%2FS_Larctia_%28full_custodian%29&action=historysubmit&diff=803091&oldid=803071">this</a>: that I adressed only SBJ and not Ottava also, thought about writing both names or removing, but left it anyways <ul><li>perhaps due to adressing me specifically? and therefore fixating only on this?</li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity%3ACandidates_for_Custodianship%2FS_Larctia_%28full_custodian%29&action=historysubmit&diff=803158&oldid=803134">[8]</a>: here I was not sure when I not adress also SLarctica if it was clear what e.g. I meant</li></ul> <ul><li>another thought I had was: if actions from SBJ specifically triggered things by me. Must think if there's (still?) some feelings from back then</li></ul> <ul><li>another thought I had was: that my oppose (which was actually: needs more time to learn) would be used by other parties for their cause :-(</li></ul> <ul><li>private communication between mentor + mentee ("circumstances as ... described"): <ul><li>at begin: I did not find much bad thing here, since some users/situation require this</li> <li>but since it was later on mentioned a few more times I did not find this fair/neutral <ul><li>such things tend to exclude people + they feel left out (either we play open or I don't know what kind of conspiracy theories we can read more later)</li> <li>another thing is: that with limited/less info players tend to make decisions "only" on this info (or worse: imagine the missing info in their terms)</li></ul></li> <li>so, what would be best in my opinion is: to not mention such private communication <ul><li>even if it is to say "you can trust me, that was ok. You can extend your trust in me to also user X" <ul><li>somehow right now this "extending" reminded me to <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Delegable_proxy" title="Wikiversity:Delegable proxy">Wikiversity:Delegable proxy</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Assembly" title="Wikiversity:Assembly">Wikiversity:Assembly</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li>one thought <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity%3AColloquium&action=historysubmit&diff=803615&oldid=803392">here</a> was: epic fail - not a big deal, it's all part of learning. learning in terms of fail or success is not helpful I think</li></ul> <p>So, if I'd dare to do a summary at this point already: </p> <ul><li>my conscience is not loaded with guilt or so yet</li> <li>not sure how it would be though if Slarctica would not have done a childish thing like blocking that user again (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AJohn+Bessa">22 October</a>) before leaving <- such things trigger more thoughts like: omg we saved some more trouble for the future</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="see_also_3">see also</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-12" title="Edit section: see also" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-12" title="Edit section's source code: see also"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium#Bye_guys" title="Wikiversity:Colloquium">Wikiversity:Colloquium#Bye_guys</a></li> <li>(this blog entry is part of my PLE project <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz/PLE#WV_wide:_provide_meta_info_about_learning.2C_actions" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz/PLE">WV wide: provide meta info about learning, actions</a>)</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2011_October_22_-_What's_(the_status_on)_personal_learning_environment_(PLE)?"><span id="2011_October_22_-_What.27s_.28the_status_on.29_personal_learning_environment_.28PLE.29.3F"></span>2011 October 22 - What's (the status on) personal learning environment (PLE)?</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-13" title="Edit section: 2011 October 22 - What's (the status on) personal learning environment (PLE)?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-13" title="Edit section's source code: 2011 October 22 - What's (the status on) personal learning environment (PLE)?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>In my view anything (here) can be classified as learning, since it can trigger thoughts. If we stay close just to the words of PLE: </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="definition">definition</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-14" title="Edit section: definition" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-14" title="Edit section's source code: definition"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>personal</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>well we could say if you write it, it's personal, but it's probably not. One can also "just" attend a course or just do patrolling of <a href="/wiki/Special:RecentChanges" title="Special:RecentChanges">RecentChanges</a>, ... I think it gets personal when emotions get in. When one reviews actions + thinks about the why? how?</li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li>learning</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>see my sentence above</li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li>environment</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>the environment is the software (Mediawiki MW) with its users? NO, I call any place where I can interact with Wikiversity (WV) editors the environment, so also the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">WV:Chat</a>. Correct? No, we can also count emails since MW allows that. I know also that some WV editors have external pages/(micro) blogs where I interacted with them. And surely I have not mentioned some others</li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="PLE_at_other_locations">PLE at other locations</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-15" title="Edit section: PLE at other locations" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-15" title="Edit section's source code: PLE at other locations"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Let's find out about PLE at other places: </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Wikipedia">Wikipedia</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-16" title="Edit section: Wikipedia" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-16" title="Edit section's source code: Wikipedia"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_learning_environment" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:Personal learning environment">wikipedia: Personal learning environment</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Personal_learning_environment&oldid=453883668">Permalink</a>) <ul><li>not a lengthy article, but a lot references</li> <li>no talk page entry</li> <li>edits in years:</li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><table class="prettytable"> <tbody><tr> <th>year </th> <th>edits </th> <th>editors </th></tr> <tr> <td>2006 </td> <td>1 </td> <td>1 </td></tr> <tr> <td>2007 </td> <td>7 </td> <td>2 </td></tr> <tr> <td>2010 </td> <td>17 </td> <td>5 + 3 bots </td></tr> <tr> <td>2011 </td> <td>7 </td> <td>4 </td></tr> </tbody></table></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_personal_learning_environments" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:History of personal learning environments">wikipedia: History of personal learning environments</a> <ul><li>has more interactions</li> <li>todo: analyze</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Wikiversity">Wikiversity</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-17" title="Edit section: Wikiversity" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-17" title="Edit section's source code: Wikiversity"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>(e.g. at <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Personal_learning_environment" title="Wikiversity:Personal learning environment">Wikiversity:Personal learning environment</a>): </p> <ul><li>only 5 users have listed themselves <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Personal_learning_environment#Examples" title="Wikiversity:Personal learning environment">here</a> <ul><li>I don't think it's just 5, there are more, but people do not call it PLE</li> <li>Perhaps also they did never hear of the term PLE?</li> <li>Perhaps it would be good to make a PLE template?</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Google">Google</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-18" title="Edit section: Google" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-18" title="Edit section's source code: Google"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>search results for: </p> <dl><dd><table class="prettytable"> <tbody><tr> <th>search term </th> <th>results (in mio.)<br />2011 October 22 </th> <th>results (in mio.)<br />2012 February 13 </th> <th>comment </th></tr> <tr> <td>personal learning environment </td> <td>67.7 </td> <td>130 (192%) </td> <td> </td></tr> <tr> <td>"personal learning environment" </td> <td>3.41 </td> <td>1.54 (45%) </td> <td>decrease </td></tr> <tr> <td>PLE "personal learning environment" </td> <td>1.86 </td> <td>5.42 (343%) </td> <td> </td></tr> <tr> <td>PLE personal learning environment </td> <td>0.374 </td> <td>0.639 (171%) </td> <td> </td></tr> <tr> <td>PLE "personal learning environment" wikiversity </td> <td>0.00341 </td> <td>0.0101 (296%) </td> <td> </td></tr> <tr> <td>PLE personal learning environment wikiversity </td> <td>0.000716 </td> <td>0.00112 (156%) </td> <td> </td></tr> </tbody></table></dd></dl> <ul><li>please update this table in the future</li> <li>todo: look more into these</li> <li>edit 2012-02-13: Google trends tells me: "do not have enough search volume to show graphs"</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="some_aspects">some aspects</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-19" title="Edit section: some aspects" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-19" title="Edit section's source code: some aspects"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="general">general</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-20" title="Edit section: general" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-20" title="Edit section's source code: general"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>My so called PLE diary is here now available publically for more than 3.5 years. I'd say it's a <b>positive experience</b> to have one. Though at begin I used it just to make some kind of status notices on learning activities/<a href="/wiki/Learning_resources" class="mw-disambig" title="Learning resources">resources</a>. Later I added a section called "What can I do better while walking in the wiki-verse ?" which also involves reviewing how "bad" I interacted. A recent chat reminded me that I'd like to see by more people <b>review activities</b> on how fruitful things on their learning were (what did I learn? where did I not succeed yet? why?). That's what's in my view missing to make WV more distinct as a learning place. I think also <b>starting a blog</b> is a nice way to approach things... </p><p>I think for a wiki(versity) newcomer the <b>PLE concept is too blurry</b>? Perhaps they still need to figure out what learning means for them? Perhaps there's also needed some <b>familiarity</b> (with WV)? I mean if they <b>mature</b> here as editors, interactors with others they see the real goal of WV? (yeah, I know, goals are different, but if you do not talk about them, they just stay in your head, ...) Or when they mature they dare more, since in my view WV is just an environment to help one in its learning activities. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="data_control">data control</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-21" title="Edit section: data control" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-21" title="Edit section's source code: data control"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>In regards to <b>control of data</b> (e.g. why leave here, since it's sensible data?) time (>3.5 years) has shown that it's quiet and leaves room for your concentration. If someone has another opinion + edits it should be seen as a positive thing + discussed or if I don't have time, revert + make a reminder to that person or let him write his ideas in his own PLE. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="unfinishedness">unfinishedness</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-22" title="Edit section: unfinishedness" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-22" title="Edit section's source code: unfinishedness"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Another notion of fear may be: others watch me, I should not make a mistake? I should not put something out there that's <b>unfinished</b>? Such thoughts are probably general for some new wiki editors. I can say in a wiki there's hardly a page (aka learning resource) which is 100% final. You'll see with time that such things will not keep your thoughts for long. Just be bold + edit... </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="sharing:_what_do_I_view,_where_do_I_click,_..."><span id="sharing:_what_do_I_view.2C_where_do_I_click.2C_..."></span>sharing: what do I view, where do I click, ...</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-23" title="Edit section: sharing: what do I view, where do I click, ..." class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-23" title="Edit section's source code: sharing: what do I view, where do I click, ..."><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Personal data collection: I put this here, but do not run away, it's a thought model. In theory someone having access to the Mediawiki database (e.g. also <a href="/wiki/Checkuser" class="mw-redirect" title="Checkuser">checkusers</a>) can see what you do here. This is in general bad (but good to find out socks + such things). There was an idea (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://netknowledge.org/wiki/Research:User_editing_patterns_and_collaboration">Research:User editing patterns and collaboration</a>) where people wanted to share their sensible data (e.g. <b>what do I view? paths, editing patterns,</b> ...) because it could provide info on their learning. Also others (researchers, other editors here, ...) could benefit from this data... I was one of those wanting to share this for myself, but somehow it never got off the ground... </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="interaction_with_other_learners">interaction with other learners</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-24" title="Edit section: interaction with other learners" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-24" title="Edit section's source code: interaction with other learners"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Another aspect is: how was the <b>interaction with other learners</b>? By facilitating the courses or projects or my blog I got into contact of course. My blog somehow never invited people to comment much (I think <7 editors, considering that anyone can edit: strange, or the content is not interesting enough) - it got attraction in 2008 because I used it in the course: <a href="/wiki/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources/Participants" class="mw-redirect" title="Composing free and open online educational resources/Participants">Composing free and open online educational resources</a>. The PLE itself - besides <a href="/wiki/User:Cormaggio" title="User:Cormaggio">User:Cormaggio</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ADevourer09%2FPLE&action=historysubmit&diff=339000&oldid=338991">this</a> - I think did not gather much response (to inspire others? that is another goal, since PLE is personal?) By being a custodian I got into contact way more with people (also in terms of learning what they learn currently)...<br /> I think the <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October#2011_October_21_-_federation_.28in_form_of_e.g._micro_blogging.2C_federated_wiki.2C_....29" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz/observations/2011 October">federation aspect below (for wikis)</a> would have a huge effect... </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="used_technology">used technology</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-25" title="Edit section: used technology" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-25" title="Edit section's source code: used technology"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>It's this wiki + more (see above: chat, email, external pages). Besides this people set up an additional server with various <a href="/wiki/Topic:Sandbox_Server_0.5#Services_available" class="mw-redirect" title="Topic:Sandbox Server 0.5">services</a> (jabber, Moodle, mailing list, ssh access, Quicktime streaming) but due to operating costs it was shut down... though also it felt like because it was not operated by WMF people did not like it?<br /> There was some time ago another try to set up one (this time funded by WMF Germany). but I think it has also come to a halt (see <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity_talk:Sandbox_Server#New_sandbox_server_is_coming" title="Wikiversity talk:Sandbox Server">here</a>).<br /> So, why additional server? some say the existing MediaWiki environment is not sufficient (see also: <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Technical_needs" title="Wikiversity:Technical needs">Wikiversity:Technical needs</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Vision/2009" title="Wikiversity:Vision/2009">Wikiversity:Vision/2009</a> + <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Vision/2010" title="Wikiversity:Vision/2010">Wikiversity:Vision/2010</a>), though I guess everyone has to decide for themselves. I've come to like Mediawiki + IRC (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/Blog:Observations/blog_post_frequency_(2007-2011)">summary over 5 years</a>) - because of its simplicity. And tbh renting a server does not cost much these days... </p><p>not finished yet, I think when I revamp <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Personal_learning_environment" title="Wikiversity:Personal learning environment">Wikiversity:Personal learning environment</a> a little I talk about more aspects... </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2011_October_21_-_federation_(in_form_of_e.g._micro_blogging,_federated_wiki,_...)"><span id="2011_October_21_-_federation_.28in_form_of_e.g._micro_blogging.2C_federated_wiki.2C_....29"></span>2011 October 21 - federation (in form of e.g. micro blogging, federated wiki, ...)</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-26" title="Edit section: 2011 October 21 - federation (in form of e.g. micro blogging, federated wiki, ...)" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-26" title="Edit section's source code: 2011 October 21 - federation (in form of e.g. micro blogging, federated wiki, ...)"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Gibraltarians_encircle_The_Rock_to_celebrate_the_tercentenery.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Gibraltarians_encircle_The_Rock_to_celebrate_the_tercentenery.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="150" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="150" /></a><figcaption>earthquake ? no, that won't tear us apart...</figcaption></figure> <p>federation is a nice thing: </p> <ul><li>one advantage it makes sure you control your own data and not a company <ul><li>I created an account at <a href="/wiki/Identi.ca" title="Identi.ca">Identi.ca</a> in Feb. 2010</li> <li>though I didn't put much thought into the concept of federation, I just used identi.ca as a service (e.g. because twitter did not allow me to choose a free licence + because of its good display of conversations)</li> <li>I got into concept with federation in 2011</li> <li>more on this <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/Micro_blogging_posts">here</a> + here: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/Aspects_of_federation">aspects of federation</a></li></ul></li></ul> <p>I didn't try the concept of <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikis&oldid=802893">federated wiki by Ward Cunningham</a> since I find that system has higher requirements than Mediawiki (Ruby instead of php) </p> <ul><li>but I think it would be a sensational thing when using this in conjunction with Mediawiki</li> <li>perhaps discussions about deletions, revert waring become less? and people focus more on the learning part? (or as some see: creating <a href="/wiki/Learning_resources" class="mw-disambig" title="Learning resources">learning resources</a>)</li></ul> <p>see also: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_(information_technology)" class="extiw" title="w:Federation (information technology)">w: Federation (information technology)</a> </p><p><br /> 2012-01-17: <br /> the express version is less restrictive, looks fine: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/Blog:Observations/What_is_a_federated_wiki">What is a federated wiki?</a><br /> 2012-05-28: <br /> section "Serving Static Files with PHP" in: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://github.com/WardCunningham/Smallest-Federated-Wiki/wiki/Hosting-and-Installation-Guide">Hosting and Installation Guide</a><br /> 2014-07-31: <br /> </p> <dl><dd>for Mediwiki a distributed wiki is possible too :-) <dl><dd>got the extension DSWM working, see walkthrough in pictures <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/DSMW">here</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd>see also the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/Blog:Observations/MediaWiki_extension_-_send_wiki_edits_to_identi.ca_or_other_StatusNet_sites">Mw extension Send2StatusNet</a> which sends your wiki pages/edits to micro-blogs</dd></dl> <p><br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2011_October_20_-_what_can_be_added_to_"teach"_probationary_custodians"><span id="2011_October_20_-_what_can_be_added_to_.22teach.22_probationary_custodians"></span>2011 October 20 - what can be added to "teach" probationary custodians</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-27" title="Edit section: 2011 October 20 - what can be added to "teach" probationary custodians" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-27" title="Edit section's source code: 2011 October 20 - what can be added to "teach" probationary custodians"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:AES_Workshop.JPG" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/AES_Workshop.JPG/220px-AES_Workshop.JPG" decoding="async" width="220" height="165" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/AES_Workshop.JPG/330px-AES_Workshop.JPG 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/AES_Workshop.JPG/440px-AES_Workshop.JPG 2x" data-file-width="2816" data-file-height="2112" /></a><figcaption>no idea if this teaching has any value... but hell, it is fun</figcaption></figure> <p>the energy you put to teach <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Custodianship" title="Wikiversity:Custodianship">custodians</a> after their probationary period is probably higher than before when not having/using: </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="blog">blog</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-28" title="Edit section: blog" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-28" title="Edit section's source code: blog"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>a <b><a href="/wiki/Category:Blogging" title="Category:Blogging">blog</a></b> (to show what was learned? not only that, should be more) <ul><li>a blog is in my view the easiest way to make your mindset available to others (see also <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABilby&action=historysubmit&diff=803654&oldid=803651">this</a>)</li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>it can help the mentor to find an easy entry point for discussion which seems important for the mentee</li></ul> <dl><dd>perhaps a story to illustrate: <ul><li>two strangers (a female + male) meet in the woods</li> <li>as it is with strangers trust is not yet established</li> <li>the female must go to toilet, but also wants to make sure the guy does not peek</li> <li>so, she asks him to sing something</li> <li>with this she can hear if he approaches or not + can relaxed do her thing<br /></li> <li>hearing the voice brings security for her, same is e.g. when you are here</li> <li>if others can hear what you think (e.g. read your opinions) they get to feel safer (there's no true guarantee though, but WV's trust contingent is large)</li> <li>(btw: do not analyze me for this example)</li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li>it can help future probationary custodians as well as mentors to see how others approached this</li> <li>helps oneself recapture learning thoughts from previous times + see how one has matured (or not ;-))</li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li>my <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz/PLE#blog_.28in_English.29" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz/PLE">blog experiences</a></li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="other_approaches:_language,_reviewing,_summarizing"><span id="other_approaches:_language.2C_reviewing.2C_summarizing"></span>other approaches: language, reviewing, summarizing</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-29" title="Edit section: other approaches: language, reviewing, summarizing" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-29" title="Edit section's source code: other approaches: language, reviewing, summarizing"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>there are more things one can do <b>additionally</b> (which help you understand WV + its environment better) <ul><li>formulate <b>templates positive</b> and/or <ul><li>some examples <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ANo_license&action=historysubmit&diff=797389&oldid=577783">[9]</a> or <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Template:File_copyright&diff=794617&oldid=542594">[10]</a></li> <li>wikis are unfortunately only written text + we can not cover all if-then-scenarios (also in real life) so at least we should make things positive</li> <li>e.g. there was an example in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tipping_Point" class="extiw" title="w:The Tipping Point">The Tipping Point</a> where they discussed how small actions in a neighbourhood done by many can have a lasting effect in perceiving the neighbourhood as safe or welcome-friendly</li> <li>my experience so far is: that your thinking shows in actions + I've used for some time translations to help me rethink things (see e.g. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/Blog:Observations/Translate_to_think_more_(TTM)">Translate to think more (TTM)</a>). I think (though your situation may be different), thinking about how to formulate things different will change your thoughts</li></ul></li> <li><b>review</b> other/previous custodians' <b>edits</b> and/or <ul><li>can be something like: one prob. custodians takes edits 1-x, reviews + makes notes somewhere (see blog above), next prob. custodian continues from x+1 to y, ...</li> <li>this also ensures that people grasp a little <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:History_of_Wikiversity" title="Wikiversity:History of Wikiversity">history of WV</a></li></ul></li> <li><b>summarize</b> (past) <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Community_Review" title="Wikiversity:Community Review">CRs</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikiversity_talk:Assembly/Discussion#summary_creation_of_discussions.2C_..." title="Wikiversity talk:Assembly/Discussion">summary creation of discussions, ...</a></li> <li>this is a valuable task since it ensures that others save time (though one has an initial cost, but I think such activities will ensure you get more credit in others eyes - if that's what you want)</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <p>One can not review all prob. custodian actions (also after probation period is over), also many things could be done in various forms + can be seen as controversial, but I think if the mentor + the community agree that the mindset (to handle things) + to learn from past "errors" is there: it will help you to help the community (some say: to come into possession of the custodian tools) so, some steps like 1-3 could help that the custodian understands earlier (from chat ca. 1 week ago, short points) </p><p>see also: <a href="/wiki/How_to_be_a_Wikimedia_sysop" title="How to be a Wikimedia sysop">How to be a Wikimedia sysop</a> <br /> based on below comments this was reedited (see e.g. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AErkan_Yilmaz%2Fobservations%2F2011_October&action=historysubmit&diff=803655&oldid=803650">2011-10-22, 14:36</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AErkan_Yilmaz%2Fobservations%2F2011_October&action=historysubmit&diff=803660&oldid=803659">14:59</a>)<br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="comments">comments</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&veaction=edit&section=T-30" title="Edit section: comments" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October&action=edit&section=T-30" title="Edit section's source code: comments"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><dl><dd>On the grounds that we are invited to comment - it seems like you are discussing a knowledge management system. I'm curious, though, if the problem is less a lack of understanding of institutional processes than institutional culture, or perhaps the possibility that there isn't a consistent institutional culture in which the new Custodian can embrace. Otherwise, the suggestions work for me. :) - <a href="/wiki/User:Bilby" title="User:Bilby">Bilby</a> 12:53, 22 October 2011 (UTC)</dd> <dd>Sorry, but a tad more - the difficulty with KM systems is how hard it can be to capture knowledge. Using TAM, one supposes that the system either has to be very simple, or very useful, and I think only the latter is really possible. - <a href="/wiki/User:Bilby" title="User:Bilby">Bilby</a> 12:56, 22 October 2011 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I think it depends on the Custodian. Some may be familiar with the culture and not the processes. Some may be familiar with the processes and not the culture. Some may be unfamiliar with both. Some may be familiar with both --<a href="/wiki/User:Darklama" title="User:Darklama"><span style="background:DarkSlateBlue;color:white;padding:2px;"> dark</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darklama" title="User talk:Darklama"><span style="background:darkslategray;color:white;padding:2px;">lama </span></a> 13:02, 22 October 2011 (UTC) <dl><dd>My focus is normally a tad more on process than culture, but it seems to me that the loss of one requires the knowledge of the other to counter it. If there is no defined culture, then you need defined processes. If there are no defined processes, knowledge of institutional culture may assist. But I'm not sure that either is well defined in this case (although you may see things with better eyes than mine). :) - <a href="/wiki/User:Bilby" title="User:Bilby">Bilby</a> 13:17, 22 October 2011 (UTC) <dl><dd>I think both are likely important. The context, meaning, and purpose of processes may be lost on people without an understanding of culture. Arguments and disputes may erupt between people with a shared culture, and no understanding of processes that allow solutions to be found. --<a href="/wiki/User:Darklama" title="User:Darklama"><span style="background:DarkSlateBlue;color:white;padding:2px;"> dark</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darklama" title="User talk:Darklama"><span style="background:darkslategray;color:white;padding:2px;">lama </span></a> 14:55, 22 October 2011 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>I think it's the "<b>institutional culture</b>" which splits people here most. I can't tell about current, documented processess since I was MIA. </p><p>If it's consistent or not could be perhaps said like this: I think we are all here because of the term learning but our <b>definition of learning</b> naturally is different due to our experiences (I must look up some old edits where I summarize this better). There were always some parties at WV which favoured freedom approaches and the ones which favoured more conservative approaches. The problem with liberty is that one needs to be careful to not hurt others (some people intentionally wanted to hurt (because as I understand him/them that's also a form to teach someone :-( )). This is unfortunately which turned differences into major clashes here at WV a few times. </p><p>I am for <b>protecting institutions</b> using WV for their learning activities. And as far as I know institutions + their learners were always in a safe haven here (that's good because it brings WV a good reputation). I am also for supporting <b>individual learning</b> (see e.g. <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Personal_learning_environment" title="Wikiversity:Personal learning environment">Wikiversity:Personal learning environment</a>)... </p><p>Ok, enough of that for now since I did not answer your question so much... </p><p>When I look back how I got the custodian tools: I had a mentor who was one of the WV founders + there were at least >5 active custodians (one of them also a founder) + >20 <b>active</b> editors I interacted with. In the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">WV:Chat</a> one could always find a partner to talk about some things or recent situations at WV (which also could help to cool things down first). I did learn many things (I originally came from de.WV administration and (we) Germans tend to be more rigid in things)... It was a fun time where I also was willingly giving much time for WV (or let's say supporting people I shared ideals with) ... </p><p>My above suggestions came up in a chat where also one topic was: how could <a href="/wiki/Rebooting_Wikiversity" class="mw-redirect" title="Rebooting Wikiversity">Wikiversity be rebooted</a>? We talked about how the other efforts to start a <b>learning environment</b> faired. It came up, some things which did not work out yet at WV which have a great potential in my view (e.g. showing thoughts on learning, <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Review_board" title="Wikiversity:Review board">Wikiversity:Review board</a>) It was not about a specific custodian, more of a general nature, I'm not sure how it was perceived though, considering the last RFC + that that probationary custodian left in such dramatic way. But it's <b>hard to grasp someone's mindset</b>... I think currently getting the tools is not so hard, since the current bureaucrats understand the WV way. The only problem may be, as SBJ truly said, to find the time to let the prob. custodian inhale the <b>WV way</b>. In my time probationary custodians got feedback/views from many sides which now is missing :-( ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> uses the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a> + <a href="/wiki/Identi.ca" title="Identi.ca">Identi.ca</a> 13:53, 22 October 2011 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>I don't want to waste all of your time with my thoughts, but one brief one before I sleep. :) I found the "reboot" page interesting, as it never seemed to state what the problem was that warranted a reboot. I'm not sure if that was known, but not said, or not well enough defined to be stated.</dd> <dd>Watching what happened to Simone, it felt like the en.WP RfA process, only with an undercurrent of a second (completely different) model (mostly expressed between you and SB_Johnny). Interestingly, on en.WP almost everyone interested can tell you what is wrong with the RfA process (with considerable consistency), but it seems clear that there is no chance of working out a solution. Here, perhaps, there is a good chance of working out a solution, but I'm not sure that everyone can define what needs solving. Alternatively, maybe you know, and I'm just missing that bit. :) - <a href="/wiki/User:Bilby" title="User:Bilby">Bilby</a> 15:06, 22 October 2011 (UTC) <dl><dd>Rebooting WV: let me see how I can add those historical moments/problems there (see <a href="/wiki/Talk:Rebooting_Wikiversity#reasons" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Rebooting Wikiversity">here</a>)</dd> <dd>undercurrent things in RFC:</dd> <dd>yes, the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-sides_model" class="extiw" title="w:Four-sides model">Four-sides model</a>, let me see what we can find out with SBJ, ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> uses the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a> + <a href="/wiki/Identi.ca" title="Identi.ca">Identi.ca</a> 17:25, 22 October 2011 (UTC) <dl><dd>That's a fascinating link - thanks! My field is more to do with systems theory, and in particular Soft Systems, (although more <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._West_Churchman" class="extiw" title="w:C. West Churchman">Churchman</a> than <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Checkland" class="extiw" title="w:Peter Checkland">Checkland</a>) so the model was new to me. However, it draws nice parallels with what I was thinking of. I used to do work with Linstone's TOP (Technical, Organisational, Personal) model in Multiple Perspectives theory, and I think I have a couple of papers out on the subject. (Wikipedia doesn't have anything on it, but Allison's <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essence_of_Decision" class="extiw" title="w:Essence of Decision">w:Essence of Decision</a> is a major source of much of the methodology). I don't normally worry about TOP these days, as I've moved in different academic directions for various reasons, but that RfC discussion, and the four-sides model, made me think of it. My impression was that you and SB_Johnny were arguing primarily from an O perspective, Darklama and Thenub314 from a T perspective (although there's little to go on, and Darklama in particular could be using O), and Abd, John Bessa and Marshallsumter were definitely from P. I contrast this with en.WP's RfA process, where almost all of the RfA comments are T or P - O almost never appears there, being mostly confined to the talk page, and even there I find more focus on T and P.</dd> <dd>I don't mean this as a critique, just as an observation, but I wonder if the idea of multiple perspectives theory might be more broadly relevant to your interests. - <a href="/wiki/User:Bilby" title="User:Bilby">Bilby</a> 06:41, 23 October 2011 (UTC) <dl><dd>Thanks for the links, sounds good</dd> <dd>I've tried to reconstruct <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_October#2011_October_23_-_reconstructing_my_thoughts_.28on_RFC_actions.29" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz/observations/2011 October">here</a> some more thoughts, ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> uses the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a> + <a href="/wiki/Identi.ca" title="Identi.ca">Identi.ca</a> 13:53, 23 October 2011 (UTC) <dl><dd>Fascinating, folks. I've experience with and have developed certain organizational theories and proposals, coming from outside academia, though I'm connected with academics. Bilby, can you point me to a good coverage of Linstone's model. Definitely there are different organizational perspectives involved here, that's part of our problem. I'm aware of the limitations of various models, and do think that there is value in studying wiki history in terms of structural models. I do not believe that wiki phenomena are due to "bad actors," but rather are a result of structural conditions that encourage certain behaviors and discourage others. --<a href="/wiki/User:Abd" title="User:Abd">Abd</a> 00:43, 24 October 2011 (UTC) <dl><dd>Linstone had a couple of books out on the topic - I think <i>Multiple Perspectives for Decision Making</i> was ok, but I preferred <i>The Unbounded Mind</i>. There are quite a few papers by different people, myself included, but the quality jumps around a lot. Linstone has a paper at <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.jstor.org/stable/25060727">[11]</a> which does an ok job of explaining it through application. Hall and Davis have an ok extension, that is surprisingly like where Linstone was planning to take things <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016792360600042X">[12]</a>.</dd> <dd>As mentioned, I've moved on from it, but these models tend to have explanatory power (per Checkland), and there is a lot to be said for understanding different perspectives. - <a href="/wiki/User:Bilby" title="User:Bilby">Bilby</a> 03:15, 24 October 2011 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2011 January</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2011_January_20_-_make_other_ways_more_visible_(seeing_is_believing?)"><span id="2011_January_20_-_make_other_ways_more_visible_.28seeing_is_believing.3F.29"></span>2011 January 20 - make other ways more visible (seeing is believing?)</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_January&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2011 January 20 - make other ways more visible (seeing is believing?)" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_January&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2011 January 20 - make other ways more visible (seeing is believing?)"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>Thought to myself: (create) easy ways for others to recognize how to participate than to call for d.l.t.on?</li></ul> <p><br /> </p> <dl><dd>edit 2013-09-27 while talking with my bot I perceived it was important to link to: <a href="/wiki/Learning_resource" title="Learning resource">Learning resource</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2011_January_19_-_WikipediaOS">2011 January 19 - WikipediaOS</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_January&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: 2011 January 19 - WikipediaOS" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_January&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: 2011 January 19 - WikipediaOS"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>had the urge to comment at <a href="/wiki/WikipediaOS" title="WikipediaOS">WikipediaOS</a> + started also some little research project on OS: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/Research_on_OS">[13]</a> (still small, will extend in a few months to more ;-))</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2011_January_14">2011 January 14</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_January&veaction=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: 2011 January 14" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2011_January&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section's source code: 2011 January 14"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Psycholinguistics" title="Psycholinguistics">Psycholinguistics</a>: <ul><li>Blog posts of the <a href="/wiki/Psycholinguistics" title="Psycholinguistics">Psycholinguistics</a> have some nice thoughts</li> <li>Hint: you should help the new learners, do not irritate them: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Psycholinguistics/Language_and_Thought&action=historysubmit&diff=670687&oldid=669499">[14]</a></li> <li>Wonder if the product later gets exported to wikibooks (e.g. <a href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Psycholinguistics" class="extiw" title="b:Psycholinguistics">b:Psycholinguistics</a>)?</li></ul></li> <li>Changed the table on my page in aspects towards learning <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz&action=historysubmit&diff=670730&oldid=670710">[15]</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Complex_socio-ecological_systems" title="Complex socio-ecological systems">Complex socio-ecological systems</a></li> <li>Other activities in the recent months <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/Experiences_in_online_communities">here</a>.</li> <li>If you use twitter: why don't you switch to <a href="/wiki/Identi.ca" title="Identi.ca">Identi.ca</a>?</li></ul> <p><br /><br /><br /> <b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2010 April</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2010_April_5_-_yeah,_the_topic_about_deletions"><span id="2010_April_5_-_yeah.2C_the_topic_about_deletions"></span>2010 April 5 - yeah, the topic about deletions</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2010_April&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2010 April 5 - yeah, the topic about deletions" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2010_April&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2010 April 5 - yeah, the topic about deletions"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Rebooting_Wikiversity&action=historysubmit&diff=555118&oldid=555108">[16]</a>:<br /> since there is again the cry for delete buttons, a copy paste of a comment by me from chat (with John's permission): </p><p>[18:27:44] <ErkanYilmaz> haha <br />[18:27:48] <ErkanYilmaz> JWSchmidt: " the "edit" button was an amazing invention" <br />[18:27:54] <ErkanYilmaz> people tend to forget that <br />[18:28:27] <JWSchmidt> who needs to edit when your finger is on the "delete" and "block" buttons? <br />[18:29:05] <ErkanYilmaz> yeah, better to destroy so it never grows again + perhaps we lost some valuable contributor <br />[18:29:13] <ErkanYilmaz> (ironic) <br />[18:30:35] <ErkanYilmaz> actually I gave my mom a lecture these days <br />[18:30:46] <ErkanYilmaz> she just plucks out the plants and so to plant new ones <br />[18:30:53] <ErkanYilmaz> and I ask her, why she destroys life so easily? <br />[18:31:16] <ErkanYilmaz> it needed effort to let them grow and someone decides: ok, that is it for you now <br />[18:31:31] <ErkanYilmaz> you have to leave earth, here is your 1-way ticket <br />[18:32:39] ErkanYilmaz thinks he is too much influenced by buddhism/taoism these days </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2010_April_5_-_I'd_really_like_to_make_a_movie,_one_day"><span id="2010_April_5_-_I.27d_really_like_to_make_a_movie.2C_one_day"></span>2010 April 5 - I'd really like to make a movie, one day</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2010_April&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: 2010 April 5 - I'd really like to make a movie, one day" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2010_April&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: 2010 April 5 - I'd really like to make a movie, one day"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>about <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Petition_to_Shut_Down_Wikiversity" class="extiw" title="meta:Petition to Shut Down Wikiversity">meta:Petition to Shut Down Wikiversity</a> or participation motivation for <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#August_24_-_Wikiversity_the_Movie">Wikiversity the Movie</a>: the understanding of WV core ideas seems suboptimal (transmission somewhere between: sender, receiver, the way; solar flares, ...). Who knows, putting Wikimedia users from all projects + with different views together in one room + discussing WV's mission + also making a video of this. One day... </p><p><br style="clear:both;" /> <b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2010 March</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2010_March_29_-_more_people_from_WV_do_external_(micro)_blogging"><span id="2010_March_29_-_more_people_from_WV_do_external_.28micro.29_blogging"></span>2010 March 29 - more people from WV do external (micro) blogging</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2010_March&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2010 March 29 - more people from WV do external (micro) blogging" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2010_March&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2010 March 29 - more people from WV do external (micro) blogging"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Did you notice it? see what is available at WV atm: <a href="/wiki/Category:Blogging" title="Category:Blogging">Category:Blogging</a>. So, the xternal blogging: increasing awareness - about? better tools? in the end just content counts or content with some nice technical features? </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2010_March_21_-_WV_is_for_what?"><span id="2010_March_21_-_WV_is_for_what.3F"></span>2010 March 21 - WV is for what?</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2010_March&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: 2010 March 21 - WV is for what?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2010_March&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: 2010 March 21 - WV is for what?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>some thoughts I had while reading the comments/questions at <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Candidates_for_Custodianship#Nominations_for_Bureaucratship" title="Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship">Jtneill</a>'s page. <ul><li>"8. "Is it your intention as a bureaucrat to make policy violators custodians?" - Well, its not my intention. I hope you and others would continue to help limit the possibility. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC) <ul><li>Though I know that probably not all would agree: What would be so bad, about making these users or others probationary custodians? Some (e.g. me) see WV also as a place where people can develop. Is it too naive to think that WV(-people, learning resources, ...) could help people change? And also the other way: others have influence on people here? Panta rhei. <ul><li>see also: <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#2008_January_29_-_You_are_kidding_.3F_Wikiversity_is_.28also.29_about_learning_.28.3F.29">2008 January 29 - You are kidding ? Wikiversity is (also) about learning (?)</a></li></ul></li> <li>I agree that it costs effort to make someone change. So, if someone would declare to watch a troublemaker being probationary custodian and clean up + talk with the user through issues. Would that help? What if others are harmed in a way during that? not good</li> <li>have to dream more about this :-)</li> <li>does it help to think always about: <ul><li>how will this user be in 7 years?</li> <li>why is there an edit button?</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2010_March_20_-_I_guess_I_am_back,_somehow"><span id="2010_March_20_-_I_guess_I_am_back.2C_somehow"></span>2010 March 20 - I guess I am back, somehow</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2010_March&veaction=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: 2010 March 20 - I guess I am back, somehow" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2010_March&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section's source code: 2010 March 20 - I guess I am back, somehow"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity_participants_who_choose_to_leave&action=historysubmit&diff=546597&oldid=529927">[17]</a></li></ul> <p><b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2008 August</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="August_24_-_Wikiversity_the_Movie">August 24 - Wikiversity the Movie</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_August&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: August 24 - Wikiversity the Movie" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_August&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: August 24 - Wikiversity the Movie"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Trying to revive <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity_the_Movie" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikiversity the Movie">Wikiversity the Movie</a>.<br /> What is the story behind this ? It began with being unhappy because there is always first the cry for the delete button. Made one edit <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AErkan_Yilmaz%2FPLE&diff=309733&oldid=308590">here</a>. Still felt unhappy. Found now a better way to let things flow out by joining <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity_the_Movie" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikiversity the Movie">Wikiversity the Movie</a>: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity_the_Movie&diff=309867&oldid=309859">[18]</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="August_6_-_switched_priorities">August 6 - switched priorities</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_August&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: August 6 - switched priorities" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_August&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: August 6 - switched priorities"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I was going to continue with the course on copyright <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Kurs:Urheberrecht" class="extiw" title="de:Kurs:Urheberrecht">Kurs:Urheberrecht</a>, but I find it atm more fascinating to participate at: <a href="/wiki/Social_psychology_(psychology)" title="Social psychology (psychology)">Social psychology (psychology)</a>. <b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2008 June</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="June_17_-_words_and_their_magic">June 17 - words and their magic</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_June&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: June 17 - words and their magic" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_June&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: June 17 - words and their magic"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Byodoin_calligrapher_close.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Byodoin_calligrapher_close.jpg/200px-Byodoin_calligrapher_close.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="150" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Byodoin_calligrapher_close.jpg/300px-Byodoin_calligrapher_close.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Byodoin_calligrapher_close.jpg/400px-Byodoin_calligrapher_close.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2816" data-file-height="2112" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p>It is funny (was my first thought) then it became the feeling "interesting": to see, how a possibility - which is open since long - is not used until a new name is born for this - and suddenly: all people wanna join the road trip. Change can be dependent on so many things or sometimes: just a few easy things. <br style="clear:both;" /> </p><dl><dd>Agreed Change needs catalysts, I think joining wikiversity is letting your self become that catalyst<a href="/wiki/User:Thuvack" title="User:Thuvack">Thuvack</a> 05:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="June_16_-_why_is_the_German_Wikiversity_research_page_going_to_be_updated_?"><span id="June_16_-_why_is_the_German_Wikiversity_research_page_going_to_be_updated_.3F"></span>June 16 - why is the German Wikiversity research page going to be updated ?</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_June&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: June 16 - why is the German Wikiversity research page going to be updated ?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_June&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: June 16 - why is the German Wikiversity research page going to be updated ?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikimedia-research.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Wikimedia-research.png/100px-Wikimedia-research.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="113" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Wikimedia-research.png/150px-Wikimedia-research.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Wikimedia-research.png/200px-Wikimedia-research.png 2x" data-file-width="599" data-file-height="678" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p>So, how did I spend the last 2h ? Setting up a first version of the new Wikiversity-Research page <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Forschung_(Vorschlag_f%C3%BCr_neue_Version)" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Forschung (Vorschlag für neue Version)">Wikiversity:Forschung</a> (the <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Forschung" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Forschung">current page</a> is still from 2006 and has not all info implemented) on de.WV. And now people have to be informed so they can implement their ideas/views. <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:Cspannagel#.C3.96ffentlicher_Wissenschaftler" class="extiw" title="de:Benutzer Diskussion:Cspannagel">This</a> was the reason for all of this. Sometimes you just have to read and that what you wanted to do for some time will happen finally.<br style="clear:both;" /> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="June_8_-_something_Wikiversity_related_at_Wikimedia_Foundation's_board_election"><span id="June_8_-_something_Wikiversity_related_at_Wikimedia_Foundation.27s_board_election"></span>June 8 - something Wikiversity related at <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Board_elections/2008/en&uselang=en">Wikimedia Foundation's board election</a></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_June&veaction=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: June 8 - something Wikiversity related at Wikimedia Foundation's board election" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_June&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section's source code: June 8 - something Wikiversity related at Wikimedia Foundation's board election"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Candidate' plans for Wikiversity are to be found here: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2008/Candidates/Questions/3#Wikiversity" class="extiw" title="meta:Board elections/2008/Candidates/Questions/3">meta:Board elections/2008/Candidates/Questions/3#Wikiversity</a>. There are still about 2 weeks for the election. <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pathoschild/Board_elections_statistics" class="extiw" title="meta:User:Pathoschild/Board elections statistics">Here</a> you can see the votes so far. I will vote on the last day, when I have all info available. </p> <dl><dd>Voting is still possible until 23:59 21 June 2008 (UTC):</dd> <dd><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikiversity_-_16th_June_2008.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Wikimedia Foundation's Board elections 2008 statistics from Wikiversity (data until 16th June 2008)"><img alt="Wikimedia Foundation's Board elections 2008 statistics from Wikiversity (data until 16th June 2008)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikiversity_-_16th_June_2008.jpg/300px-Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikiversity_-_16th_June_2008.jpg" decoding="async" width="300" height="152" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikiversity_-_16th_June_2008.jpg/450px-Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikiversity_-_16th_June_2008.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikiversity_-_16th_June_2008.jpg/600px-Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikiversity_-_16th_June_2008.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1062" data-file-height="539" /></a></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd>select your home wiki (see the <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Board_elections/2008/en&uselang=en#Requirements">requirements</a>):</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Special:Boardvote" class="new" title="Special:Boardvote (page does not exist)">Special:Boardvote</a><br /></dd> <dd><a href="https://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Boardvote" class="extiw" title="fr:Special:Boardvote">fr:Special:Boardvote</a><br /></dd> <dd><a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Boardvote" class="extiw" title="de:Special:Boardvote">de:Special:Boardvote</a><br /></dd> <dd><a href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Boardvote" class="extiw" title="betawikiversity:Special:Boardvote">betawikiversity:Special:Boardvote</a><br /></dd> <dd><a href="https://it.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Boardvote" class="extiw" title="it:Special:Boardvote">it:Special:Boardvote</a><br /></dd> <dd><a href="https://el.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Boardvote" class="extiw" title="el:Special:Boardvote">el:Special:Boardvote</a><br /></dd> <dd><a href="https://es.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Boardvote" class="extiw" title="es:Special:Boardvote">es:Special:Boardvote</a><br /></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Voting has finished, so how was the participation ?</dd> <dd>(please keep in mind: these are not the only Wikiversity contributors who voted – some used also their user accounts in the other Wikimedia projects)</dd> <dd><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikiversity.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikiversity.jpg/300px-Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikiversity.jpg" decoding="async" width="300" height="162" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikiversity.jpg/450px-Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikiversity.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikiversity.jpg/600px-Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikiversity.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1174" data-file-height="634" /></a></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Here is the data from Wikibooks, when just looking at the values, "seems" Wikibooks participants were not so motivated to go to election<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup>:</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><table class="prettytable"> <tbody><tr> <th> </th> <th>Wikiversity </th> <th>Wikibooks </th></tr> <tr> <td>Accounts eligible to vote </td> <td>48 </td> <td>114 </td></tr> <tr> <td>Filtered by email address<br />(each valid address counted once) </td> <td>31 </td> <td>92 </td></tr> <tr> <td>User accounts which voted <sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </td> <td><span style="font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;color:green;background-color:transparent">12</span> </td> <td>16 </td></tr> <tr> <td>voters per filtered email </td> <td>38,7% </td> <td>17,4% </td></tr></tbody></table></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikibooks.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikibooks.jpg/300px-Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikibooks.jpg" decoding="async" width="300" height="162" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikibooks.jpg/450px-Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikibooks.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikibooks.jpg/600px-Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_Board_elections_2008_statistics_from_Wikibooks.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1174" data-file-height="634" /></a></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-1">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">(keep in mind: these are not the only Wikibooks/Wikiversity contributors who voted – some used also their user accounts in the other Wikimedia projects)</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-2"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-2">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">(keep in mind: these are not the only Wikibooks/Wikiversity contributors who voted – some used also their user accounts in the other Wikimedia projects)</span> </li> </ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="June_2_-_When_did_you_read_ALOUD_the_last_time_?"><span id="June_2_-_When_did_you_read_ALOUD_the_last_time_.3F"></span>June 2 - When did you read ALOUD the last time ?</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_June&veaction=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section: June 2 - When did you read ALOUD the last time ?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_June&action=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section's source code: June 2 - When did you read ALOUD the last time ?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wilhelm_Resetarits_Stubnblues_MQ2007a.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wilhelm_Resetarits_Stubnblues_MQ2007a.jpg/200px-Wilhelm_Resetarits_Stubnblues_MQ2007a.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="223" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wilhelm_Resetarits_Stubnblues_MQ2007a.jpg/300px-Wilhelm_Resetarits_Stubnblues_MQ2007a.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Wilhelm_Resetarits_Stubnblues_MQ2007a.jpg/400px-Wilhelm_Resetarits_Stubnblues_MQ2007a.jpg 2x" data-file-width="984" data-file-height="1095" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p><small>was written back in August 2007 - I am talking here about an additional book for <a href="/wiki/Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War" title="Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War">Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War</a></small> </p><p>I am reading a foreign language book - aloud.<br /> I remember the last time reading aloud - over a longer period of time - was in school, when we read set books in class. </p><p>Why am I doing this now (again) ?<br /> Perhaps to get more of my senses activated ? Could also be because of the topic of the book - it is about ancient times. And as you know: stories sound better, when they are told. </p><p>I noticed that this slows me down (when comparing to “normal” silent reading). Could be because:<br /> - now I read REALLY the complete text instead having read some parts (quickly)<br /> - sometimes also the pronounciation/accentuation seems not correct to me and I stop and think how it would be correct<br /> - perhaps I see more with my mind’s eye ? </p><p>The book has >500 pages - I wish all my neighbors fun listening :-) <b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2008 May</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="May_31_-_improvement_possibilities_for_German_Wikiversity_-_by_an_"outsider""><span id="May_31_-_improvement_possibilities_for_German_Wikiversity_-_by_an_.22outsider.22"></span>May 31 - improvement possibilities for German Wikiversity - by an "outsider"</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: May 31 - improvement possibilities for German Wikiversity - by an "outsider"" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: May 31 - improvement possibilities for German Wikiversity - by an "outsider""><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Had a phone call with a friend - we talked also about German Wikiversity (WV) and this is a very short resume after it: </p> <ul><li>we talked about mission of WV and he knows it now :-)</li> <li>some improvement potentials from his side about the topics of his study and PhD (no comment by me, just stating): <ul><li>more categorizing - after structures from real life, something like that people can see easily: this resource is for 4th class schools, this is for 1st semesters from university</li> <li>materials are like scripts - this he can have also at university - he misses explanations/descriptions at begin - that is why he searched at 1st place</li></ul></li></ul> <p>background info: </p> <ul><li>a few months ago he just knew Wikipedia, he uses Wikipedia regularly, but doesn't contribute</li> <li>initial assumption after that by him: Wikiversity = Wikipedia</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="May_24_-_What_can_motivate_to_give_away_"their"_stuff_to_all_-_more_willingly_?"><span id="May_24_-_What_can_motivate_to_give_away_.22their.22_stuff_to_all_-_more_willingly_.3F"></span>May 24 - What can motivate to give away "their" stuff to all - more willingly ?</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: May 24 - What can motivate to give away "their" stuff to all - more willingly ?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: May 24 - What can motivate to give away "their" stuff to all - more willingly ?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:To_Commons.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/To_Commons.svg/220px-To_Commons.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="220" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/To_Commons.svg/330px-To_Commons.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/To_Commons.svg/440px-To_Commons.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="913" data-file-height="913" /></a><figcaption>move audio files to commons</figcaption></figure> <p>During the <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#2008_April_19_-_Sharing_Audio_.28OER_-_week_7.29">OER course</a> I uploaded some audio files to commons. But honestly: since it took much time to upload and add a category, description - my motivation sank to do this soon. But 2 days ago I rediscovered the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Duesentrieb/CheckUsage" class="extiw" title="meta:User:Duesentrieb/CheckUsage">CheckUsage</a> button on commons and saw that one of the audio files was <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/WikiSense/CheckUsage.php?i=Bonsoir.ogg&w=_100000">used at Chinese Wikipedia</a>. That blew my mind. I didn't expect that. </p><p>Well that gave me a boost to upload now all 123 audio files (in German, Turkish and French). Let's see in the future where they will be used. </p><p>I think if we could see (more) easily where a (learning) resource is used, that could help that people more willingly give away "their" stuff to all. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="May_19_-_OER_last_week:_Comments,_reflection,_peer_evaluation_and_feedback"><span id="May_19_-_OER_last_week:_Comments.2C_reflection.2C_peer_evaluation_and_feedback"></span>May 19 - OER last week: Comments, reflection, peer evaluation and feedback</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&veaction=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: May 19 - OER last week: Comments, reflection, peer evaluation and feedback" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section's source code: May 19 - OER last week: Comments, reflection, peer evaluation and feedback"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>So, the course <a href="/wiki/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources" title="Composing free and open online educational resources">Composing free and open online educational resources</a> has finished (as the time schedule says). But I am sure the next cycle of the course will happen. And hopefully some of the participants will contribute here also in the future. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="questions_and_answers">questions and answers</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&veaction=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section: questions and answers" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&action=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section's source code: questions and answers"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Someone send me these questions, so I will answer them here openly. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="What_is_the_most_important_thing_you've_gained_through_participation_in_the_Wikiversity_course?"><span id="What_is_the_most_important_thing_you.27ve_gained_through_participation_in_the_Wikiversity_course.3F"></span>What is the most important thing you've gained through participation in the Wikiversity course?</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&veaction=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section: What is the most important thing you've gained through participation in the Wikiversity course?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&action=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section's source code: What is the most important thing you've gained through participation in the Wikiversity course?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>That I was "forced" to see Wikiversity from another point of view/role as usual. This could benefit future learning projects here at Wikiversity.</li> <li>(Even though the question asks for one thing: We got a new custodian: <a href="/wiki/User:Jtneill" title="User:Jtneill">User:Jtneill</a> - though I am not quite sure, if this was the only influencing factor (for him))</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Were_you_involved_with_Wikiversity_before_taking_this_course?"><span id="Were_you_involved_with_Wikiversity_before_taking_this_course.3F"></span>Were you involved with Wikiversity before taking this course?</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&veaction=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section: Were you involved with Wikiversity before taking this course?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&action=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section's source code: Were you involved with Wikiversity before taking this course?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>Yes :-) Wanna <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Erkan+Yilmaz&dbname=enwikiversity_p">stalk</a> (only English Wikiversity) ?</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Did_you_or_will_you_complete_this_course?_What_factors_have_influenced_your_completion_status_in_this_course?"><span id="Did_you_or_will_you_complete_this_course.3F_What_factors_have_influenced_your_completion_status_in_this_course.3F"></span>Did you or will you complete this course? What factors have influenced your completion status in this course?</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&veaction=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section: Did you or will you complete this course? What factors have influenced your completion status in this course?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&action=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section's source code: Did you or will you complete this course? What factors have influenced your completion status in this course?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>Completed</li> <li>Factors: <ul><li>being familiar with the topic/Wikiversity</li> <li>I am regularly at Wikiversity - so also seeing how other participants contributed here gave a motivation.</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Will_you_continue_to_take_an_interest_in_Wikiversity_after_this_course?_Explain."><span id="Will_you_continue_to_take_an_interest_in_Wikiversity_after_this_course.3F_Explain."></span>Will you continue to take an interest in Wikiversity after this course? Explain.</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&veaction=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section: Will you continue to take an interest in Wikiversity after this course? Explain." class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&action=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section's source code: Will you continue to take an interest in Wikiversity after this course? Explain."><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>Yes. Reason: I like it here.</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Does_this_course_fit_in_with_other_courses_you_are_taking?_Or_are_you_doing_it_out_of_professional,_personal_or_other_interests?"><span id="Does_this_course_fit_in_with_other_courses_you_are_taking.3F_Or_are_you_doing_it_out_of_professional.2C_personal_or_other_interests.3F"></span>Does this course fit in with other courses you are taking? Or are you doing it out of professional, personal or other interests?</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&veaction=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section: Does this course fit in with other courses you are taking? Or are you doing it out of professional, personal or other interests?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&action=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section's source code: Does this course fit in with other courses you are taking? Or are you doing it out of professional, personal or other interests?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>It is a different course than I usually do/did (see also point 1). Reason I invested some time is: that the course is also of interest for Wikiversity.</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Feel_free_to_comment_about_any_other_aspects_of_your_experience_in_this_course">Feel free to comment about any other aspects of your experience in this course</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&veaction=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section: Feel free to comment about any other aspects of your experience in this course" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_May&action=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section's source code: Feel free to comment about any other aspects of your experience in this course"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>See other contributions during the course time (but don't judge too hard :-) I must still look at them also for the final review of the course.)</li> <li>or just ask - time is money :-)</li></ul> <p><b><time datetime="2008-04-01T00:00:00+00:00"><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2008 April</span></time>.</b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_April_29_-_Week_9_(and_10):_Comments,_reflection,_peer_evaluation_and_feedback"><span id="2008_April_29_-_Week_9_.28and_10.29:_Comments.2C_reflection.2C_peer_evaluation_and_feedback"></span>2008 April 29 - Week 9 (and 10): Comments, reflection, peer evaluation and feedback</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2008 April 29 - Week 9 (and 10): Comments, reflection, peer evaluation and feedback" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 April 29 - Week 9 (and 10): Comments, reflection, peer evaluation and feedback"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="todo">todo</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: todo" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: todo"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Talk-icon.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Talk-icon.svg/300px-Talk-icon.svg.png" decoding="async" width="300" height="300" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Talk-icon.svg/450px-Talk-icon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Talk-icon.svg/600px-Talk-icon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <ul><li>read <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://oercourse.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/week-9-and-10-comments-reflection-peer-evaluation-and-feedback/">blog</a> + <a href="/wiki/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources#Week_9_-_May_5th:_Presentations_and_Feedback" title="Composing free and open online educational resources">assignment</a></li> <li>visit each other blogs and comment the posts in there:</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>done also at least at begin of class</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#other_participants_2">User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations#other_participants_2</a></li> <li><a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#other_participants">User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations#other_participants</a></li> <li><a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#examples_what_was_done_already">User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations#examples_what_was_done_already</a></li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li>todo: visit some more</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>general feedback about the course itself: <a href="/wiki/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources/Critique_and_feedback" class="mw-redirect" title="Composing free and open online educational resources/Critique and feedback">Composing free and open online educational resources/Critique and feedback</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>todo: read again my posts from the past weeks to find some more input for above</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="thoughts">thoughts</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: thoughts" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section's source code: thoughts"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_April_28_-_How_important_is_a_page_?_(previously_titled:_what_is_a_page_?)"><span id="2008_April_28_-_How_important_is_a_page_.3F_.28previously_titled:_what_is_a_page_.3F.29"></span>2008 April 28 - How important is a page ? (previously titled: what is a page ?)</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section: 2008 April 28 - How important is a page ? (previously titled: what is a page ?)" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 April 28 - How important is a page ? (previously titled: what is a page ?)"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Fictional_page.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Fictional_page.svg/100px-Fictional_page.svg.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="136" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Fictional_page.svg/150px-Fictional_page.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Fictional_page.svg/200px-Fictional_page.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="22" data-file-height="30" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> At the moment I am thinking mostly that it is...<br /> </p><p>... just a page, it is mostly static, not live. If you have the opportunity: go for the live thing. Same goes <a href="/wiki/User:OhanaUnited/Sister_Projects_Interview" title="User:OhanaUnited/Sister Projects Interview">here</a>: after writing/reviewing, this forms already other ideas which are not even included in it. So, and now try to stop the new ideas from being developed :-) </p> <dl><dd>"...let's say carelessly this is WV (though it consists of many individuals - note: I don't say pages)..." <a href="/wiki/Talk:Vandal_Fighting" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Vandal Fighting">Talk:Vandal Fighting</a>, ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> <small>uses the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://java.freenode.net//index.php?channel=wikiversity-en">try</a>)</small> 21:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_April_22_-_Sharing_Video(s)_(OER_-_week_8)"><span id="2008_April_22_-_Sharing_Video.28s.29_.28OER_-_week_8.29"></span>2008 April 22 - Sharing Video(s) (OER - week 8)</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section: 2008 April 22 - Sharing Video(s) (OER - week 8)" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 April 22 - Sharing Video(s) (OER - week 8)"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Ojo_humano.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Ojo_humano.jpg/120px-Ojo_humano.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="70" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Ojo_humano.jpg/180px-Ojo_humano.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Ojo_humano.jpg/240px-Ojo_humano.jpg 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="293" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Videocamera.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Videocamera.jpg/120px-Videocamera.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="90" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Videocamera.jpg/180px-Videocamera.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Videocamera.jpg/240px-Videocamera.jpg 2x" data-file-width="384" data-file-height="288" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"></div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Cintas_video.JPG" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Cintas_video.JPG/120px-Cintas_video.JPG" decoding="async" width="120" height="90" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Cintas_video.JPG/180px-Cintas_video.JPG 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Cintas_video.JPG/240px-Cintas_video.JPG 2x" data-file-width="2048" data-file-height="1536" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"></div> </li> </ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="todo_2">todo</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section: todo" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section's source code: todo"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd>read <a href="/wiki/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources#Week_8_-_April_28st:_Sharing_Videos" title="Composing free and open online educational resources">assignment</a> + <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://oercourse.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/week-8-sharing-videos/">blog</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="thoughts_-_in_progress">thoughts - in progress</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section: thoughts - in progress" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section's source code: thoughts - in progress"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>I have finally created an intro tutorial for German Wikiversity:</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><span><video id="mwe_player_0" poster="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Short_intro_video_for_German_Wikiversity.ogv/320px--Short_intro_video_for_German_Wikiversity.ogv.jpg" controls="" preload="none" data-mw-tmh="" class="mw-file-element" width="320" height="212" data-durationhint="585" data-mwtitle="Short_intro_video_for_German_Wikiversity.ogv" data-mwprovider="wikimediacommons" resource="/wiki/File:Short_intro_video_for_German_Wikiversity.ogv"><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/4/45/Short_intro_video_for_German_Wikiversity.ogv/Short_intro_video_for_German_Wikiversity.ogv.480p.vp9.webm" type="video/webm; codecs="vp9, opus"" data-transcodekey="480p.vp9.webm" data-width="726" data-height="480" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Short_intro_video_for_German_Wikiversity.ogv" type="video/ogg; codecs="vorbis, theora"" data-width="1136" data-height="752" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/4/45/Short_intro_video_for_German_Wikiversity.ogv/Short_intro_video_for_German_Wikiversity.ogv.720p.vp9.webm" type="video/webm; codecs="vp9, opus"" data-transcodekey="720p.vp9.webm" data-width="1088" data-height="720" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/4/45/Short_intro_video_for_German_Wikiversity.ogv/Short_intro_video_for_German_Wikiversity.ogv.240p.vp9.webm" type="video/webm; codecs="vp9, opus"" data-transcodekey="240p.vp9.webm" data-width="362" data-height="240" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/4/45/Short_intro_video_for_German_Wikiversity.ogv/Short_intro_video_for_German_Wikiversity.ogv.360p.vp9.webm" type="video/webm; codecs="vp9, opus"" data-transcodekey="360p.vp9.webm" data-width="544" data-height="360" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/4/45/Short_intro_video_for_German_Wikiversity.ogv/Short_intro_video_for_German_Wikiversity.ogv.360p.webm" type="video/webm; codecs="vp8, vorbis"" data-transcodekey="360p.webm" data-width="544" data-height="360" /></video></span><figcaption>video: short intro about German Wikiversity<br />(4:52 mins, resolution: 1136x752, size: 16.6 MB)</figcaption></figure></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <dl><dd>Before I encountered following probs: <dl><dd>I have created a 475 MB avi which goes about 5 mins. Since commons allows only a specific video format (see <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Converting_video" class="extiw" title="commons:Help:Converting video">commons:Help:Converting video</a>) I had to find a converter. And here the problem begins: either the tools:</dd> <dd>brought during conversion an error or created color problems:</dd> <dd><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><span><video id="mwe_player_1" poster="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikiversity/en/thumb/3/37/German_Wikiversity_-_short_intro_video.ogg/320px--German_Wikiversity_-_short_intro_video.ogg.jpg" controls="" preload="none" data-mw-tmh="" class="mw-file-element" width="320" height="213" data-durationhint="293" data-mwtitle="German_Wikiversity_-_short_intro_video.ogg" data-mwprovider="local" resource="/wiki/File:German_Wikiversity_-_short_intro_video.ogg"><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikiversity/en/3/37/German_Wikiversity_-_short_intro_video.ogg" type="video/ogg; codecs="theora, vorbis"" data-width="720" data-height="480" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikiversity/en/transcoded/3/37/German_Wikiversity_-_short_intro_video.ogg/German_Wikiversity_-_short_intro_video.ogg.480p.vp9.webm" type="video/webm; codecs="vp9, opus"" data-transcodekey="480p.vp9.webm" data-width="720" data-height="480" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikiversity/en/transcoded/3/37/German_Wikiversity_-_short_intro_video.ogg/German_Wikiversity_-_short_intro_video.ogg.144p.mjpeg.mov" type="video/quicktime" data-transcodekey="144p.mjpeg.mov" data-width="216" data-height="144" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikiversity/en/transcoded/3/37/German_Wikiversity_-_short_intro_video.ogg/German_Wikiversity_-_short_intro_video.ogg.240p.vp9.webm" type="video/webm; codecs="vp9, opus"" data-transcodekey="240p.vp9.webm" data-width="360" data-height="240" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikiversity/en/transcoded/3/37/German_Wikiversity_-_short_intro_video.ogg/German_Wikiversity_-_short_intro_video.ogg.360p.vp9.webm" type="video/webm; codecs="vp9, opus"" data-transcodekey="360p.vp9.webm" data-width="540" data-height="360" /><source src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikiversity/en/transcoded/3/37/German_Wikiversity_-_short_intro_video.ogg/German_Wikiversity_-_short_intro_video.ogg.360p.webm" type="video/webm; codecs="vp8, vorbis"" data-transcodekey="360p.webm" data-width="540" data-height="360" /></video></span><figcaption>video with color problems</figcaption></figure></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>So, I uploaded the latter one and will try to solve this color problem. If this doesn't help I will convert it a reduced avi and upload it on a non-Wikimedia-project as listed in the assignment (which I don't prefer actually).</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>In September 2007 I created videos for the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity_screen_saver" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikiversity screen saver">Wikiversity screen saver</a> - see <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikiversity_videos" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Wikiversity videos">commons:Category:Wikiversity videos</a></li> <li>In Nov. 2006 I created a "video"-tutorial (with not so good sound quality) for a Wikiversity course with the tool <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wink_(tutorial_software)" class="extiw" title="w:Wink (tutorial software)">Wink (tutorial software)</a>. Since it is interactive swf it is bad to convert in a format which <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page" class="extiw" title="commons:Main Page">commons</a> accepts easily (again the prob that only a certain video format is accepted by commons), so I just quote in next chapter.</li> <li>I wonder why I didn't use/create since then more videos (though they are a good medium to transmit info) ?</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>time resources: perhaps too much effort to create them ?</li> <li>the restrictions by commons ?</li> <li>less interested persons in it ?</li> <li>...</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>more videos in Wikiversity you can find here: <a href="/wiki/Category:Video_media" title="Category:Video media">Category:Video media</a> and in <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Video" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Video">commons:Category:Video</a></li></ul> <p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="video_tutorial">video tutorial</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section: video tutorial" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section's source code: video tutorial"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>about: graphic display of algorithms in source code<br /> video tutorial: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.skilledtester.de/wikiversity/02_White_Box_Kontrollflussgraph/wikipedia_WhiteBox_start04.swf"><i>in German, still under review</i></a> (requires: Shockwave-Player). </p><p><span style="font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;color:red;background-color:transparent">SNIP</span> </p> <dl><dd>In the following tutorial you will see, how the appropriate graph to a source code looks like.<br /></dd> <dd>In detail: With the tool <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.jgrasp.org/">jGRASP</a> there is created for the Java source code <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Kurs:Algorithmen_und_Datenstrukturen/Kapitel_2/MergeSort/Java" class="extiw" title="de:Kurs:Algorithmen und Datenstrukturen/Kapitel 2/MergeSort/Java">MergeSort.java</a> from the Wikiversity course <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Kurs:Algorithmen_und_Datenstrukturen" class="extiw" title="de:Kurs:Algorithmen und Datenstrukturen">algorithms and data structures (Algorithmen und Datenstrukturen)</a> the CSD (Control Structure Diagram).<br /></dd></dl> <dl><dd>Reason of this tutorial: To show you, how fast such a graph can be created. It should show you that there is nothing complicated behind this - with a tool this is done automatically and easy.<br /></dd> <dd>Here you can see the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.skilledtester.de/wikiversity/02_White_Box_Kontrollflussgraph/wikipedia_WhiteBox_start04.swf"><i>Shockwave-Tutorial <- German version (I will create an English version soon) and still under review</i></a> (condition: Shockwave-Player).</dd></dl> <p><span style="font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;color:red;background-color:transparent">SNIP</span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_April_19_-_Sharing_Audio_(OER_-_week_7)"><span id="2008_April_19_-_Sharing_Audio_.28OER_-_week_7.29"></span>2008 April 19 - Sharing Audio (OER - week 7)</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section: 2008 April 19 - Sharing Audio (OER - week 7)" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 April 19 - Sharing Audio (OER - week 7)"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Places_of_articulation.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Places_of_articulation.svg/220px-Places_of_articulation.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="275" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Places_of_articulation.svg/330px-Places_of_articulation.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Places_of_articulation.svg/440px-Places_of_articulation.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="800" data-file-height="1000" /></a><figcaption>Places of articulation</figcaption></figure> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="todo_3">todo</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section: todo" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section's source code: todo"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd>read <a href="/wiki/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources#Week_7_-_April_21th:_Sharing_Audio" title="Composing free and open online educational resources">assignment</a> + <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://oercourse.wordpress.com/2008/04/15/week-7-sharing-audio/">blog</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="thoughts_-_in_progress_2">thoughts - in progress</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-11" title="Edit section: thoughts - in progress" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-11" title="Edit section's source code: thoughts - in progress"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>Adding the picture on the right: while listening to music now (which changes my mood): I think before sharing audio one needs to have the ability to do so - there are many people who can not speak.</li> <li>Instead of uploading one podcast, I have done following: I have converted one of my pages to wiki syntax, see <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz/translations_with_sound_files" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz/translations with sound files">User:Erkan Yilmaz/translations with sound files</a> and the available 123 sound files will be uploaded to commons so more wikis can use them</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>first sound files uploaded under licence: <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-nc-sa-2.0-dual" class="extiw" title="commons:Template:Cc-by-nc-sa-2.0-dual">Cc-by-nc-sa-2.0-dual</a>, e.g.</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><a href="/wiki/File:Ich_weiss_dass_ich_nichts_weiss.ogg" title="File:Ich weiss dass ich nichts weiss.ogg">Ich weiß, dass ich nichts weiß</a> (German) - I know that I do not know (anything)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/File:Lernen_ist_herausfinden_was_du_bereits_weisst.ogg" title="File:Lernen ist herausfinden was du bereits weisst.ogg">Lernen ist herausfinden, was du bereits weißt</a> (German) - Learning is finding out what you already know.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/File:Unter_den_Blinden_ist_der_Einaeugige_Koenig.ogg" title="File:Unter den Blinden ist der Einaeugige Koenig.ogg">Unter den Blinden ist der Einäugige König</a> (German) - In the land of the blind people, who has an eye is the king</li> <li><a href="/wiki/File:Tan%C4%B1%C5%9Ft%C4%B1%C4%9F%C4%B1m%C4%B1za_sevindim.ogg" title="File:Tanıştığımıza sevindim.ogg">Tanıştığımıza sevindim</a> (Turkish) - Nice to meet you</li> <li><a href="/wiki/File:Enchantee.ogg" title="File:Enchantee.ogg">Enchantée</a> (French) - Nice to meet you</li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li>Well, what was a little hindering is: I have to convert the mp3s first to ogg to upload on commons :-( After finding 2 nice freeware tools, also this was solved quick. Now I just have to upload the files to commons and edit the page here with the file names.</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Tell others also about Wikiversity's <a href="/wiki/Wiki_Campus_Radio" title="Wiki Campus Radio">Wiki Campus Radio</a></li></ul> <p><br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_April_7_-_Taking_and_Sharing_Pictures_(OER_-_week_6)"><span id="2008_April_7_-_Taking_and_Sharing_Pictures_.28OER_-_week_6.29"></span>2008 April 7 - Taking and Sharing Pictures (OER - week 6)</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-12" title="Edit section: 2008 April 7 - Taking and Sharing Pictures (OER - week 6)" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-12" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 April 7 - Taking and Sharing Pictures (OER - week 6)"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="todo_4">todo</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-13" title="Edit section: todo" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-13" title="Edit section's source code: todo"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd>read <a href="/wiki/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources#Week_6_-_April_14th:_Taking_and_Sharing_Pictures" title="Composing free and open online educational resources">assignment</a> + <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://oercourse.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/week-6-a-picture-says-a-thousand-words">blog</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="thoughts_-_in_progress_3">thoughts - in progress</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-14" title="Edit section: thoughts - in progress" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-14" title="Edit section's source code: thoughts - in progress"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:To_Commons.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/To_Commons.svg/220px-To_Commons.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="220" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/To_Commons.svg/330px-To_Commons.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/To_Commons.svg/440px-To_Commons.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="913" data-file-height="913" /></a><figcaption>move pictures to commons</figcaption></figure> <ul><li>While reading the assignment I checked how much pictures I have uploaded so far on commons - it is <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=100&contribs=user&target=Erkan+Yilmaz&namespace=6">107</a> (either self created or from other wikimedia projects brought to commons). Click <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Erkan_Yilmaz" class="extiw" title="commons:User talk:Erkan Yilmaz">here</a> to see how often a bot told me to fix something. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&contribs=user&target=Erkan+Yilmaz&namespace=6&year=&month=">Here</a> you can also see some pictures still being at Wikiversity. I must use one time the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/commonshelper.php">Move-to-commons assistant</a> to move them to commons.</li></ul> <p><br /> </p> <ul><li>Well I don't have a digital cam, so let's see how this will be.</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>><i>Maybe you can improve the photo</i></li></ul> <dl><dd>Well I remember having done an improvement in the past for this photo: <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Alliances_in_the_Pelopennesian_War,_431_B.C._1.JPG" class="extiw" title="commons:Image:Alliances in the Pelopennesian War, 431 B.C. 1.JPG">commons:Image:Alliances in the Pelopennesian War, 431 B.C. 1.JPG</a>. More info <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Peloponnesian_War#Misprint_in_maps" class="extiw" title="w:Talk:Peloponnesian War">here</a>.</dd></dl> <ul><li>Besides this I have lately started to use some more pictures in the posts here to relax more the text</li> <li>Recently here at Wikiversity was a group of more than 100 students taking part in the <a href="/wiki/Design_for_the_Environment" title="Design for the Environment">Design for the Environment</a>. Since new users can only upload pictures here at Wikiversity after 4 days of account registration there was done <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity%3AAutoconfirmed_users&diff=246692&oldid=242606">this edit</a> to help them upload faster pictures to commons.</li> <li>Well I know Flickr too - but somehow I prefer all my pictures to be on one place - which is commons. In case you don't know, commons has also imported pictures from Flickr, see <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Flickr" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Flickr">commons:Category:Flickr</a></li> <li>I dare you to read an old post of mine <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#2008_January_14_-_translation_status_Wikiversities_.2B_what_you_can_find_on_commons">here</a> regarding commons. :-)</li> <li>on <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&contribs=user&target=Erkan+Yilmaz&namespace=6&year=&month=">9th April</a> I was possessed by the "devil" and tagged some pictures regarding licence and informed the uploaders - how dare I ?</li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="feedback">feedback</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-15" title="Edit section: feedback" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-15" title="Edit section's source code: feedback"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Hi Erkan - may I ask you a bold question? Why isn't there an obligation to tag images with a whatsoever copyright flag when you upload it? Is that on purpose or because it just doesn't work this way in wikis? --- <a href="/wiki/User:Barbara.braun" title="User:Barbara.braun">Barbara Braun</a> </p> <dl><dd>Of course and btw: that is an interesting question.</dd> <dd>Well, there are some wikis which oblige for a tag - otherwise you can not upload. One problem with that is, that if the user doesn't know or doesn't read the licence background info, the user would just select one (which might be not appropriate). But that problem of selecting a wrong licence consists also here at Wikiversity - but at least with the possibility to select no licence we can ask the user again to reselect and provide more help.</dd> <dd>I am not sure exactly why it is like it is - but most wikis I am in are like this - I guess it is a standard option by the Wikimedia foundation ? I can ask someone later in the evening.</dd> <dd>There was some recent discussion also if users should upload only at commons, see <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity_talk:Licensing_policy" title="Wikiversity talk:Licensing policy">Wikiversity talk:Licensing policy</a> (because since it is software we could disable the upload (partly) here ) ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> <small>uses the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://java.freenode.net//index.php?channel=wikiversity-en">try</a>)</small> 06:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_April_4_-_German_Wikibooks_+_Wikiversity:_creating_together_a_flyer"><span id="2008_April_4_-_German_Wikibooks_.2B_Wikiversity:_creating_together_a_flyer"></span>2008 April 4 - German Wikibooks + Wikiversity: creating together a flyer</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-16" title="Edit section: 2008 April 4 - German Wikibooks + Wikiversity: creating together a flyer" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-16" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 April 4 - German Wikibooks + Wikiversity: creating together a flyer"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>That is a signal to all others: German Wikibooks and Wikiversity love each other and are creating together a flyer. Wanna look ? <a href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/de:Wikibooks:Wikibooks_bekannter_machen/_weitere_Vorschl%C3%A4ge#Aushang" class="extiw" title="b:de:Wikibooks:Wikibooks bekannter machen/ weitere Vorschläge">de.Wikibooks</a> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_April_1_-_OER:_Wikipedia_and_Wikimedia_-_week_5">2008 April 1 - OER: Wikipedia and Wikimedia - week 5</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-17" title="Edit section: 2008 April 1 - OER: Wikipedia and Wikimedia - week 5" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-17" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 April 1 - OER: Wikipedia and Wikimedia - week 5"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="todo_5">todo</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-18" title="Edit section: todo" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-18" title="Edit section's source code: todo"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>read: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://oercourse.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/week-5-wikimedia-wikipedia-mediawiki-wiki-this-wiki-that">[19]</a> + <a href="/wiki/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources#Week_5_-_April_7th:_Wikipedia_and_Wikimedia" title="Composing free and open online educational resources">assignment</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="still_in_progress">still in progress</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-19" title="Edit section: still in progress" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-19" title="Edit section's source code: still in progress"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>try to find (perhaps) answers to these questions:</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>What do you think about the Wikimedia projects?</li></ul> <dl><dd><figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Black-Sea-sunrise.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Black-Sea-sunrise.jpg/220px-Black-Sea-sunrise.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="165" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Black-Sea-sunrise.jpg/330px-Black-Sea-sunrise.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Black-Sea-sunrise.jpg/440px-Black-Sea-sunrise.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2048" data-file-height="1536" /></a><figcaption>sunrise</figcaption></figure></dd> <dd>Great idea. I am part of it - you can also be - why don't you try it ?</dd> <dd>You need most of the times just a sparkling idea.</dd> <dd><a href="https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Antoine_de_Saint_Exup%C3%A9ry" class="extiw" title="q:Antoine de Saint Exupéry">Antoine de Saint-Exupéry</a>:</dd> <dd><i>If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders.</i></dd> <dd><i>Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea.</i></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <dl><dd><ul><li>What do you think will be the future of the Wikimedia projects?</li></ul> <dl><dd>They will certainly extend and produce many new projects, as long as people don't forget that it is about the P (P stands for people and not - pages or process - see examples below)</dd></dl> <ul><li>How do you see the future of OERs when you think about the Wikimedia projects?</li></ul> <dl><dd>Let's hope they will grow the same way. Though they certainly will introduce some tools to check for quality, see e.g. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_revisions" class="extiw" title="w:Wikipedia:Flagged revisions">Wikipedia:Flagged revisions</a>. I hope we can influence people's minds to reserve some of their time to this idea.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="thoughts_2">thoughts</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&veaction=edit&section=T-20" title="Edit section: thoughts" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_April&action=edit&section=T-20" title="Edit section's source code: thoughts"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>While reading <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://anicape.blogspot.com/2008/04/wikipedia-and-wikimedia.html">Anica's</a> post I remembered the comparison between German Wikipedia and another German online encyclopedia. See for result and other info here: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia#Assessment" class="extiw" title="w:Reliability of Wikipedia">Reliability_of_Wikipedia#Assessment</a></li> <li>while reading <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.riehle.org/computer-science/research/2006/wikisym-2006-interview.html">How and Why Wikipedia Works: An Interview with Angela Beesley, Elisabeth Bauer, and Kizu Naoko</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>1. So, the article is from about 2 years ago. People should keep in mind that some things might have been changed/old</dd></dl> <dl><dd>2. <b>a story about addiction and the word "their"</b>: <dl><dd>I brainwashed finally a friend of mine who uses de.Wikipedia just for consuming. So that he also contributes to it. He made an edit at de.WP about topic xyz (he studied that) - as IP. And another seasoned editor removed it. So what happened next ?</dd> <dd>A few days later the friend told me: "Hey, my edit got reverted. But I don't understand why. It was correct." Thank God there is a version history in Wikimedia projects and I could find his edit. The summary comment was not satisfying for my friend. I told him then that he can write on the talk page and to the editor in what aspect the information which was reverted was correct.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Guess what ? My friend still did not do it. Think about why this is.</dd> <dd>Some editors forget that you need for the goal to succeed the P (and P stands for people and not pages).</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>3. <b>About deletion of pages</b>: <dl><dd>people forget or don't know that every edit can be restored again form the database. And if you want this edit/page can be brought to Wikiversity, see <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Wikimedia_Garbage_Detail" title="Wikiversity:Wikimedia Garbage Detail">Wikiversity:Wikimedia Garbage Detail</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>4. <b>admins / custodians / sysops / janitors / gardeners / ...</b> <dl><dd>Is being admin a "big deal" or "not a big deal" ?</dd> <dd>What does the admin and the non-admin think about that (over time) ?</dd> <dd>btw: WV uses the term custodian and is more relaxed than some other projects, see <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Custodianship#How_does_one_become_a_custodian?" title="Wikiversity:Custodianship">Wikiversity:Custodianship#How does one become a custodian?</a> about WV's approach. Here also counts: it is about the P (and P stands for people and not process).</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>5. My answer to <b>"What's the best way for a researcher to get started?"</b> <dl><dd>Just do it, EXPLORE ! You will learn easily the wiki syntax and <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Be_bold" title="Wikiversity:Be bold">be bold</a> !</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>6. '<b>anyone can edit' model</b>: <dl><dd>Great thing, keep it simple please. A bad edit can be reverted later on, but to get someone to share her knowledge is not so easy as it seems</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><b><time datetime="2008-03-01T00:00:00+00:00"><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2008 March</span></time>.</b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_March_30_-_OER_week_4:_Copyright_and_Alternatives">2008 March 30 - OER week 4: Copyright and Alternatives</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2008 March 30 - OER week 4: Copyright and Alternatives" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 March 30 - OER week 4: Copyright and Alternatives"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="todo_6">todo</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: todo" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: todo"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>read <a href="/wiki/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources#Week_4_-_March_31st:_Copyright_and_Alternatives" title="Composing free and open online educational resources">assignment</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="thoughts_3">thoughts</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: thoughts" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section's source code: thoughts"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Copyrightstatusquestion.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="copyright ?"><img alt="copyright ?" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Copyrightstatusquestion.svg/84px-Copyrightstatusquestion.svg.png" decoding="async" width="84" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Copyrightstatusquestion.svg/126px-Copyrightstatusquestion.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Copyrightstatusquestion.svg/168px-Copyrightstatusquestion.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="175" data-file-height="250" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">copyright ?</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:BD-propagande_colour_en.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="cartoon about GFDL + CC - do you agree with this point of view?"><img alt="cartoon about GFDL + CC - do you agree with this point of view?" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/BD-propagande_colour_en.jpg/120px-BD-propagande_colour_en.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="87" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/BD-propagande_colour_en.jpg/180px-BD-propagande_colour_en.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/BD-propagande_colour_en.jpg/240px-BD-propagande_colour_en.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3507" data-file-height="2550" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">cartoon about GFDL + CC - do you agree with this point of view?</div> </li> </ul> <p><br /> </p> <ul><li>copyright consists of two words: copy and right. Right alone can mean that someone or some people have a right (e.g. to copy) and others not. Someone is making here a distinction between haves and have-nots, insiders and outsiders to a certain group. How to get this right ? How long you have that right ? Is that right binding to anyone ? Copying can be done by more people - also by people who have not a certain right. How are the goals of the copying people and the right-owners identical or not ? Can these groups merged to one (some day) or does the struggle continue (see below in 557 A.D where 3,000 men were killed) ? What kind of change does this require in people's heads ? Who can help to bring this change of mind ?</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources#Week_4_-_March_31st:_Copyright_and_Alternatives" title="Composing free and open online educational resources">"<i>Try to ellaborate why the copyright is as it is and why Lessig is claiming that we need "Free Culture". Try to also contextualize these ideas in your own work and country.</i>"</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>Lessig (btw: great <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://randomfoo.net/oscon/2002/lessig/free.html">presentation</a>) seems to point that the "individual" (we) have done nothing to prevent that "others" control the creativity/freedom. Perhaps because lawmakers, lawyers,... are too strong and/or indviduals are not interested, lazy, not organized, ... ?</dd> <dd>So, what have I done recently to enable freedom/creativity ? Examples: <dl><dd><ul><li>All my contributions are e.g. at</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>en.WV under GFDL and</li> <li>de.WV under CC-BY-SA 2.5</li></ul></dd> <dd>but I quote myself:</dd> <dd>"my edits here are under GNU FDL - but hey, just ask me and you can use it under another licence - what's the big deal ?" (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AErkan_Yilmaz%2Fobservations%2F2008_March&diff=222391&oldid=222375">source</a>)</dd></dl> <ul><li>My <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz/PLE" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz/PLE">Personal learning environment</a> is in public, so others can profit and also I can profit.</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User:OhanaUnited/Sister_Projects_Interview&oldid=236822#Q3:_So_I.27m_a_newcomer_to_Wikiversity._What_can_I_write.3F">my answer</a> to the question: "So I'm a newcomer to Wikiversity. What can I write?":</li></ul> <dl><dd>"Anything, as long as it helps you achieve your learning (goals) and if also others can participate in the learning process: even better (so, that comment probably will cause now a lot of heat :-) ) One good thing about Wikiversity from my point of view (POV) is the freedom it offers in comparison to other Wikimedia projects. So, just <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Be_bold" title="Wikiversity:Be bold">be bold</a> !"</dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:IRC_meeting:New_licence_for_Wikiversity_Beta" class="extiw" title="betawikiversity:Wikiversity:IRC meeting:New licence for Wikiversity Beta">Wikiversity:IRC meeting:New licence for Wikiversity Beta</a></li></ul></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Probably that is not all listed, but if any of us does a little something, it will work. We are more people than a few people at critical, powerful positions (I hope that does not sound aggressive ?). Just be creative and find a way through the bottleneck. <dl><dd><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:2ndAvenueSubwayStationBottleneck.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/2ndAvenueSubwayStationBottleneck.jpg/200px-2ndAvenueSubwayStationBottleneck.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="150" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/2ndAvenueSubwayStationBottleneck.jpg/300px-2ndAvenueSubwayStationBottleneck.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/2ndAvenueSubwayStationBottleneck.jpg/400px-2ndAvenueSubwayStationBottleneck.jpg 2x" data-file-width="800" data-file-height="600" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <ul><li>Probably some of you know "The Cape Town Open Education Declaration" (see <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#2008_February_3_-_contacting_different_organizations_to_foster_collaboration_.26_The_Cape_Town_Open_Education_Declaration">here</a>)</li></ul> <dl><dd>Figures from Germany are: <dl><dd>31st March 2008: 108 signatures are from Germany (from a total of 1512 signatures by individuals) - that makes about 7% of all signatures</dd> <dd>on 3rd Feb. 2008 it was 89 signatures from Germany, which was about 6.8% of all total individual signatures (see <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Cafeteria/Archiv/2008/01#Die_Kapstadt-OER-Erkl.C3.A4rung" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Cafeteria/Archiv/2008/01">here</a>)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>Did you sign it already ? <dl><dd><dl><dd>TODO: check how the figures are for other countries</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Unfortunately many people (especially newcomers in wikimedia projects) don't know (or care) much about copyright. It seems easier for them this way, but causes more effort/trouble later on to correct. How does this bring the Wikimedia foundation into legal trouble ?</li></ul> <dl><dd>some pages which might help then: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Uploading_files" title="Wikiversity:Uploading files">Wikiversity:Uploading files</a>, <a href="/wiki/The_GFDL_and_you" title="The GFDL and you">The GFDL and you</a>, <a href="/wiki/Free_content" title="Free content">Free content</a></li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li>...</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="other_participants">other participants</h5><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section: other participants" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section's source code: other participants"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>Let's ask the participants what kind of licence they release their stuff on their blogs (see also: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AErkan_Yilmaz%2Fobservations%2F2008_March&diff=222391&oldid=222375">here</a>)</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I started writing to some blogs, but since this may be interpreted as spam and I also have not the time, I posted this at the course blog <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://oercourse.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/why-free-culture-because-we-can-because-we-care/#comment-27">here</a> - hope some people read it.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="still_brainstorming">still brainstorming</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section: still brainstorming" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section's source code: still brainstorming"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="History_of_copyright_law"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_copyright_law" class="extiw" title="w:History of copyright law">History of copyright law</a></h5><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section: History of copyright law" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section's source code: History of copyright law"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>557 A.D.: </p> <dl><dd>"One of the earliest copyright disputes reputedly took place in 557 A.D. between <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnian_of_Moville" class="extiw" title="w:Finnian of Moville">Abbot Finnian of Moville</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Columba" class="extiw" title="w:St. Columba">St. Columba</a> over St. Columba's copying of a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalter" class="extiw" title="w:Psalter">Psalter</a> belonging to an Abbot. The dispute over ownership of the copy led to the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_C%C3%BAl_Dreimhne" class="extiw" title="w:Battle of Cúl Dreimhne">Battle of Cúl Dreimhne</a> (also know as Battle of Cooldrumman), in which 3,000 men were killed."<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></dd></dl> <p>14th + 15 century developments: </p> <dl><dd><ul><li>increase of mercantile trade</li> <li>secular universities appear</li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/movable_type" class="extiw" title="w:movable type">movable type</a> by Gutenberg</li></ul></dd></dl> <p>Copyright origins in Britain: </p> <dl><dd><ul><li>1662: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licensing_of_the_Press_Act_1662" class="extiw" title="w:Licensing of the Press Act 1662">Licensing Act</a></li> <li>1709: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Anne" class="extiw" title="w:Statute of Anne">Statute of Anne</a> (enacted in England, Scotland and Wales)</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>"This statute first accorded exclusive rights to authors (ie, creators) rather than publishers, and it included protections for consumers of printed work ensuring that publishers could not control their use after sale. It also limited the duration of such exclusive rights to 28 years, after which all works would pass into the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/public_domain" class="extiw" title="w:public domain">public domain</a>."<sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-4"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>international: </p> <dl><dd><ul><li>1887:</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>"Internationally, the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works" class="extiw" title="w:Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works">Berne Convention</a> in 1887 set out the scope of copyright protection, and is still in force to this day."<sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-5"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></li> <li>"As soon as the work is "fixed", that is, written or recorded on some physical medium (e.g. words written on page, music recorded onto tape, etc.), its author is automatically granted exclusive rights to the distribution of the work and any derivative works unless and until the author explicitly disclaims them, or until the copyright expires."<sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-6"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>4<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br /> </p> <ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-3"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-3">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text"> Gantz, John and Rochester, Jack B. (2005), <i>Pirates of the Digital Millennium</i>, Upper Saddle River: Financial Times Prentice Hall, p. 30-33; <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2527938">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,.mw-parser-output .citation .cs1-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,.mw-parser-output .citation .cs1-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .citation .cs1-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,.mw-parser-output .citation .cs1-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:#d33}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:#d33}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#3a3;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}</style><a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/0-13-146315-2" title="Special:BookSources/0-13-146315-2">0-13-146315-2</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-4"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-4">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">History of copyright law. (2008, March 31). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 11:30, March 31, 2008, from <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_copyright_law&oldid=202271568">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_copyright_law&oldid=202271568</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-5"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-5">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">History of copyright law. (2008, March 22). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 11:03, March 31, 2008, from <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_copyright_law&oldid=200041378">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_copyright_law&oldid=200041378</a></span> </li> <li id="cite_note-6"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-6">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">History of copyright law. (2008, March 31). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 11:44, March 31, 2008, from <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_copyright_law&oldid=202271568">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_copyright_law&oldid=202271568</a></span> </li> </ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_March_29_-_German_Wikiversity_has_its_1000th_article">2008 March 29 - German Wikiversity has its 1000th article</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section: 2008 March 29 - German Wikiversity has its 1000th article" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 March 29 - German Wikiversity has its 1000th article"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Learning content in de.WV is separated into courses ("Kurs") and projects: </p> <dl><dd><ul><li>Kurs: 831 pages</li> <li>Projekt: 641 pages</li></ul></dd></dl> <dl><dd><ul><li>Kurs Diskussion: 156 pages</li> <li>Projekt Diskussion: 119 pages</li></ul></dd></dl> <p>Since we have now a number 1000 let's celebrate this: </p> <dl><dd>The German Wikiversity has now its 1000th <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Article" class="extiw" title="mw:Manual:Article">article</a>.Thanks to all who helped achieving this.</dd></dl> <table class="prettytable"> <tbody><tr> <th>Wikimedia project </th> <th>UTC time of data collection </th> <th>users </th> <th>total<br />pages<sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-7"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </th> <th><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Article" class="extiw" title="mw:Manual:Article">articles</a> </th> <th>files </th> <th><a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Support_staff" title="Wikiversity:Support staff">custodians</a> </th> <th>total edits<sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-8"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </th> <th>software version </th></tr> <tr> <td>Wikiversity (Greek) </td> <td>2008-Μαρ-29, 22:48 (UTC) </td> <td>84 </td> <td>860 </td> <td>97 </td> <td>31 </td> <td>3 </td> <td>5.207 </td> <td>1.13alpha (r32485) </td></tr> <tr> <td>Wikiversity (Spanish) </td> <td>2008-mar-29, 22:46 (UTC) </td> <td>3.228 </td> <td>2.853 </td> <td>571 </td> <td>6 </td> <td>9 </td> <td>21.151 </td> <td>1.13alpha (r32485) </td></tr> <tr> <td>Wikiversity (beta) </td> <td>2008-Mar-29, 22:50 (UTC) </td> <td>896 </td> <td>4,126 </td> <td>1,355 </td> <td>126 </td> <td>7 </td> <td>22,209 </td> <td>1.13alpha (r32485) </td></tr> <tr> <td>Wikiversity (Italian) </td> <td>2008-mar-29, 22:44 (UTC) </td> <td>789 </td> <td>4.863 </td> <td>542 </td> <td>57 </td> <td>8 </td> <td>28.745 </td> <td>1.13alpha (r32485) </td></tr> <tr> <td><b>Wikiversity (German)</b> </td> <td><b>2008-Mär.-29, 21:26 (UTC)</b> </td> <td><b>2.281</b> </td> <td><b>8.951</b> </td> <td><b>1.000</b> </td> <td><b>565</b> </td> <td><b>9</b> </td> <td><b>89.134</b> </td> <td>1.13alpha (r32485) </td></tr> <tr> <td>Wikiversity (French) </td> <td>2008-mar-29, 22:41 (UTC) </td> <td>1 893 </td> <td>12 208 </td> <td>3 752 </td> <td>44 </td> <td>10 </td> <td>118 573 </td> <td>1.13alpha (r32485) </td></tr> <tr> <td>Wikiversity (English) </td> <td>2008-Mar-29, 21:38 (UTC) </td> <td>18.985 </td> <td>50.304 </td> <td>6.880 </td> <td>4.130 </td> <td>23 </td> <td>233.631 </td> <td>1.13alpha (r32485) </td></tr> <tr> <td>Wikibooks (German) </td> <td>2008-Mär.-29, 21:35 (UTC) </td> <td>8.674 </td> <td>37.293 </td> <td>10.859 </td> <td>6.162 </td> <td>16 </td> <td>373.411 </td> <td>1.13alpha (r32485) </td></tr> <tr> <td>Wikibooks (English) </td> <td>2008-Mar-29, 23:09 (UTC) </td> <td>85,710 </td> <td>95,858 </td> <td>28,695 </td> <td>8,679 </td> <td>32 </td> <td>1,174,227 </td> <td>1.13alpha (r32485) </td></tr> <tr> <td>Wikipedia (German) </td> <td>2008-Mär.-29, 21:33 (UTC) </td> <td>537.665 </td> <td>2.062.694 </td> <td>730.132 </td> <td>135.345 </td> <td>303 </td> <td>46.023.640 </td> <td>1.13alpha (r32485) </td></tr> <tr> <td>Wikipedia (English) </td> <td>2008-Mar-29, 21:40 (UTC) </td> <td>6.771.419 </td> <td>12.585.439 </td> <td>2.309.692 </td> <td>774.412 </td> <td>1.530 </td> <td>212.275,946 </td> <td>1.13alpha (r32485) </td></tr> </tbody></table> <p>That is all numbers and doesn't have to mean anything - also in comparison to other figures. But it is a small start. Help us grow ! </p><p><br /> </p> <ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-7"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-7">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">This includes also "talk" pages, pages about Wikiversity, minimal "stub" pages, redirects, and others that probably don't qualify as content pages.</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-8"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-8">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">since WV was set up</span> </li> </ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_March_27_-_Usurpation_is_against_assume_good_faith_?"><span id="2008_March_27_-_Usurpation_is_against_assume_good_faith_.3F"></span>2008 March 27 - <a href="/wiki/Template:Usurpation_requested" title="Template:Usurpation requested">Usurpation</a> is against <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Assume_Good_Faith" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikiversity:Assume Good Faith">assume good faith</a> ?</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section: 2008 March 27 - Usurpation is against assume good faith ?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 March 27 - Usurpation is against assume good faith ?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity_talk:Custodians#Single_User_Login_.28SUL.29" class="extiw" title="betawikiversity:Wikiversity talk:Custodians">background info with SUL</a>: </p> <ul><li>0-edit-contributors: why take from them back the faith we put in them ? Did they do something that provoked this ?</li> <li>will the new owners of that account contribute here more ? if so, why didn't they so far contribute or noticed that the account was gone ?</li></ul> <ul><li>more to come, during that, feel free to think loud here</li></ul> <dl><dd>edit 2008-03-30: see <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity_talk:Changing_username#Usurpation_is_against_assume_good_faith_?" title="Wikiversity talk:Changing username">Wikiversity talk:Changing username#Usurpation is against assume good faith ?</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_March_27_-_a_journey_into_the_past">2008 March 27 - a journey into the past</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section: 2008 March 27 - a journey into the past" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 March 27 - a journey into the past"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>If you wanna go back ca. 2400 years back in time this Saturday, 29.3. click <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/March_2008#Saturday.2C_29.3.2008:_online_meeting_of_reading_group" title="Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/March 2008">here</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_March_24_-_importing_pages_from_other_projects:_Wikiversity:Wikimedia_Garbage_Detail">2008 March 24 - importing pages from other projects: <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Wikimedia_Garbage_Detail" title="Wikiversity:Wikimedia Garbage Detail">Wikiversity:Wikimedia Garbage Detail</a></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section: 2008 March 24 - importing pages from other projects: Wikiversity:Wikimedia Garbage Detail" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 March 24 - importing pages from other projects: Wikiversity:Wikimedia Garbage Detail"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Vuilnis_bij_Essent_Milieu.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/Vuilnis_bij_Essent_Milieu.jpg/200px-Vuilnis_bij_Essent_Milieu.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="150" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/Vuilnis_bij_Essent_Milieu.jpg/300px-Vuilnis_bij_Essent_Milieu.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/Vuilnis_bij_Essent_Milieu.jpg/400px-Vuilnis_bij_Essent_Milieu.jpg 2x" data-file-width="800" data-file-height="600" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p>Today someone else than me suggested to import pages into de.WV :-) see <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Projekt:Fundst%C3%BCcke_aus_anderen_Wikimedia-Projekten" class="extiw" title="de:Projekt:Fundstücke aus anderen Wikimedia-Projekten">de:Projekt:Fundstücke aus anderen Wikimedia-Projekten</a><br style="clear:both;" /> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_March_23_-_Wikimedia_Foundation_&_Google_Summer_of_Code™"><span id="2008_March_23_-_Wikimedia_Foundation_.26_Google_Summer_of_Code.E2.84.A2"></span>2008 March 23 - Wikimedia Foundation & Google Summer of Code™</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-11" title="Edit section: 2008 March 23 - Wikimedia Foundation & Google Summer of Code™" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-11" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 March 23 - Wikimedia Foundation & Google Summer of Code™"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Foundation_RGB_logo_with_text.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Wikimedia_Foundation_RGB_logo_with_text.svg/400px-Wikimedia_Foundation_RGB_logo_with_text.svg.png" decoding="async" width="400" height="400" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Wikimedia_Foundation_RGB_logo_with_text.svg/600px-Wikimedia_Foundation_RGB_logo_with_text.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Wikimedia_Foundation_RGB_logo_with_text.svg/800px-Wikimedia_Foundation_RGB_logo_with_text.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="400" data-file-height="400" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> Wikimedia Foundation is taking part in the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://code.google.com/soc/2008">Google Summer of Code™</a> as a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://code.google.com/soc/2008/wikimedia/about.html">mentoring organization</a>.Student application period is from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_timeline">24.-31. March</a>. Join and please also tell others ! See the list of <a class="external text" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2008#Projects.21">project ideas</a> which surely will help the wikimedia projects. </p><p><br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <dl><dd>2008-04-02: extended until 7th of April</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_March_17_-_OER_week_3:_philosophical_background_of_the_OER_movement">2008 March 17 - OER week 3: philosophical background of the OER movement</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-12" title="Edit section: 2008 March 17 - OER week 3: philosophical background of the OER movement" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-12" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 March 17 - OER week 3: philosophical background of the OER movement"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Todo_7">Todo</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-13" title="Edit section: Todo" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-13" title="Edit section's source code: Todo"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://oercourse.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/week-3-enlightenment-and-education-for-all/">read</a> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Green_tick.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Green_tick.svg/20px-Green_tick.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Green_tick.svg/30px-Green_tick.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Green_tick.svg/40px-Green_tick.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></a></span></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources#Week_3_-_March_17th:_Philosophical_Background" title="Composing free and open online educational resources">assignment</a> for this week: read mostly articles on WP, discuss them, e.g. show similarities and differences</li> <li>I think I will start with the German WP articles first and read then the English ones - I guess with this I can help also WP: optimize both articles, ...</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Folk_high_school#When_was_the_first_Folk_high_school_founded_in_Denmark_.3F" class="extiw" title="w:Talk:Folk high school">When was the first Folk high school founded in Denmark ?</a>: it is told 1844 and the German article (see <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Diskussion:Heimvolkshochschule#Wann_wurde_erste_Heimvolkshochschule_gegr.C3.BCndet_.3F" class="extiw" title="de:Diskussion:Heimvolkshochschule">discussion</a>) tells: 1830. Does somebody have any info regarding this ?</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bildung_von_unten&diff=44039164&oldid=43508473">a text change regarding Wikiversity</a></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="thoughts_4">thoughts</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-14" title="Edit section: thoughts" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-14" title="Edit section's source code: thoughts"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>How many of the participants edited a Wikipedia article while reading or wrote a comment on the talk page there ?</li> <li>I wonder how many course participants signed <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#2008_February_3_-_contacting_different_organizations_to_foster_collaboration_.26_The_Cape_Town_Open_Education_Declaration">The Cape Town Open Education Declaration</a> ?</li> <li>It is tiring to read all always the same topics on all the blogs - I pity the facilitators :-( So I made a <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March#fun_section:_not_serious_answers_.28perhaps_they_are_.3F.29" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz/observations/2008 March">fun section</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Perhaps it could be better to "force" people to do something collaboratively (e.g. reviewing + optimizing a Wikipedia article together) ?</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="still_brainstorming_2">still brainstorming</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-15" title="Edit section: still brainstorming" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-15" title="Edit section's source code: still brainstorming"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Age_of_Enlightenment"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment" class="extiw" title="w:Age of Enlightenment">Age of Enlightenment</a></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-16" title="Edit section: Age of Enlightenment" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-16" title="Edit section's source code: Age of Enlightenment"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Sanzio_01_cropped.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Sanzio_01_cropped.png" decoding="async" width="2382" height="1326" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="2382" data-file-height="1326" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> What is it that brings enlightenment/changes ?<br />(age of) people ? "correct" mindset ? emotions ? (new) technologies ? disasters ? luck ? other factors ? All together ? <br style="clear:both;" /> </p><ul><li>Doubt everything at least one time, even if it is the sentence: 2 x 2 = 4 (<i>„Zweifle an allem wenigstens einmal, und wäre es auch der Satz zwei mal zwei ist vier“</i>)<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-9"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Christoph_Lichtenberg" class="extiw" title="w:Georg Christoph Lichtenberg">Lichtenberg</a>)</li> <li><i>"Knowledge is power."</i> (by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon#Works_and_philosophy" class="extiw" title="w:Francis Bacon">Francis Bacon</a>)</li> <li>tolerance (e.g. against religions); human is naturally good, you just have to show him, that he realizes it</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>-> <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Assume_Good_Faith" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikiversity:Assume Good Faith">Wikiversity:Assume Good Faith</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers" title="Wikiversity:Please do not bite the newcomers">Wikiversity:Please do not bite the newcomers</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative" class="extiw" title="w:Categorical imperative">Categorical imperative</a>: often forgotten</li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Lesegesellschaft" class="extiw" title="w:de:Lesegesellschaft">w:de:Lesegesellschaft</a> -> see also Wikiversity:<a href="/wiki/Portal:Reading_groups" class="mw-redirect" title="Portal:Reading groups">reading groups</a></li> <li>new method of book printing (Gutenberg) -> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediawiki" class="extiw" title="w:Mediawiki">Mediawiki</a> software (initial release: January 2002)</li> <li>Enlightenment was primarily done by the wealthy, especially by the economically successful bourgeoisie. ("Die Aufklärung war vor allem Sache der Wohlhabenden, namentlich des ökonomisch erfolgreichen Bürgertums."<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-10"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup>)</li></ul> <p><br /> </p> <ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fr:Si%C3%A8cle_des_Lumi%C3%A8res#Chronologie_du_si.C3.A8cle_des_Lumi.C3.A8res" class="extiw" title="w:fr:Siècle des Lumières">timeline</a> of some important persons during the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment" class="extiw" title="w:Age of Enlightenment">Age of Enlightenment</a> (in general I like the French article better, because it gets relaxed with pictures, where you can catch the atmosphere from back then)</li> <li>famous persons from the Age of Enlightenment: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Zeitalter_der_Aufkl%C3%A4rung#Bekannte_Vertreter_der_Aufkl.C3.A4rung" class="extiw" title="w:de:Zeitalter der Aufklärung">de.WP</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment#Important_figures" class="extiw" title="w:Age of Enlightenment">en.WP</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants" class="extiw" title="w:Standing on the shoulders of giants">Standing on the shoulders of giants</a></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-17" title="Edit section: Standing on the shoulders of giants" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-17" title="Edit section's source code: Standing on the shoulders of giants"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I have here a picture in mind what we do normally with kids. Parents put them on their shoulders, so they can see more. So, they see the world from a different angle. Also some kids have the wish to climb on trees (which probably have seen many things in all the years, but don't tell to us). Becoming tall needs time. Change in position needs some effort, force to fight (against gravity), which kids don't have yet. </p><p>Isn't it most of the times easier in the wiki-verse to continue an existing page than creating a new one ? Don't most of the Wikipedia readers just consume (without giving back) ? </p><p><br /> </p> <ul><li>when reading the intro following associations popped up in my head:</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>dwarf -> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_White" class="extiw" title="w:Snow White">Snow White</a></dd> <dd>giants -> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(mythology)" class="extiw" title="w:Titan (mythology)">Titans</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>profiting from (edits by) previous contributors</li> <li>knowledge communism (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Wissenskommunismus" class="extiw" title="w:de:Wissenskommunismus">w:de:Wissenskommunismus</a>)</li></ul> <p>when searching in commons I found these pictures only which relate a little to the picture I had in mind: </p> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Rat_shoulder.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="1"><img alt="1" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Rat_shoulder.jpg/111px-Rat_shoulder.jpg" decoding="async" width="111" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Rat_shoulder.jpg/166px-Rat_shoulder.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Rat_shoulder.jpg/222px-Rat_shoulder.jpg 2x" data-file-width="481" data-file-height="520" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">1</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Fremont_Solstice_Parade_2007_-_gymnasts_12-8.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="2"><img alt="2" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Fremont_Solstice_Parade_2007_-_gymnasts_12-8.jpg/90px-Fremont_Solstice_Parade_2007_-_gymnasts_12-8.jpg" decoding="async" width="90" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Fremont_Solstice_Parade_2007_-_gymnasts_12-8.jpg/135px-Fremont_Solstice_Parade_2007_-_gymnasts_12-8.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Fremont_Solstice_Parade_2007_-_gymnasts_12-8.jpg/180px-Fremont_Solstice_Parade_2007_-_gymnasts_12-8.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1944" data-file-height="2592" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">2</div> </li> </ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Origins_of_the_public_library_as_a_social_institution"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_library#Origins_of_the_public_library_as_a_social_institution" class="extiw" title="w:Public library">Origins of the public library as a social institution</a></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-18" title="Edit section: Origins of the public library as a social institution" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-18" title="Edit section's source code: Origins of the public library as a social institution"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Fiolstr%C3%A6de2.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Fiolstr%C3%A6de2.jpg/150px-Fiolstr%C3%A6de2.jpg" decoding="async" width="150" height="200" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Fiolstr%C3%A6de2.jpg/225px-Fiolstr%C3%A6de2.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Fiolstr%C3%A6de2.jpg/300px-Fiolstr%C3%A6de2.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1536" data-file-height="2048" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <ul><li>I still get some books from the library, but I must say I like to buy them, because then I can write in them and others are not influenced when reading (when I edit a note in wiki others get influenced).</li> <li>After seeing the pictures in the article I had the urge to show you one: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AgBQ-aDUg4&feature=related">Here</a> is a youtube video of my university library (jump to position 3:10 to see the building from outside). In the video you can also see where I lived on campus :-)</li></ul> <p><br /> TODO <br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Free_Adult_Education">Free Adult Education</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-19" title="Edit section: Free Adult Education" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-19" title="Edit section's source code: Free Adult Education"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Pdc_universit%C3%A9_populaire_amlr.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Pdc_universit%C3%A9_populaire_amlr.png/200px-Pdc_universit%C3%A9_populaire_amlr.png" decoding="async" width="200" height="153" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Pdc_universit%C3%A9_populaire_amlr.png/300px-Pdc_universit%C3%A9_populaire_amlr.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Pdc_universit%C3%A9_populaire_amlr.png/400px-Pdc_universit%C3%A9_populaire_amlr.png 2x" data-file-width="814" data-file-height="624" /></a></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Popular_Education"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_education" class="extiw" title="w:Popular education">Popular Education</a></h5><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-20" title="Edit section: Popular Education" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-20" title="Edit section's source code: Popular Education"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Freire" class="extiw" title="w:Paulo Freire">Paulo Freire</a>, started in Latin America for analphabetic farmers</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>goal: transfer knowledge and also change of society</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_from_below" class="extiw" title="w:History from below">History from below</a> (todo)</li></ul> <p>TODO </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Folk_High_School"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_high_school" class="extiw" title="w:Folk high school">Folk High School</a></h5><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-21" title="Edit section: Folk High School" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-21" title="Edit section's source code: Folk High School"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>TODO </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Free_Software_Movement"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Software_Movement" class="extiw" title="w:Free Software Movement">Free Software Movement</a></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-22" title="Edit section: Free Software Movement" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-22" title="Edit section's source code: Free Software Movement"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Tux-simple.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Tux"><img alt="Tux" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Tux-simple.svg/103px-Tux-simple.svg.png" decoding="async" width="103" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Tux-simple.svg/154px-Tux-simple.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Tux-simple.svg/206px-Tux-simple.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="597" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">Tux</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gnu-color-reiss-head.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Gnu"><img alt="Gnu" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Gnu-color-reiss-head.jpg/120px-Gnu-color-reiss-head.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="117" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Gnu-color-reiss-head.jpg/180px-Gnu-color-reiss-head.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Gnu-color-reiss-head.jpg/240px-Gnu-color-reiss-head.jpg 2x" data-file-width="259" data-file-height="253" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">Gnu</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Portrait_-_Denmark_DTU_2007-3-31.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Richard Stallman (2007)"><img alt="Richard Stallman (2007)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Portrait_-_Denmark_DTU_2007-3-31.jpg/115px-Portrait_-_Denmark_DTU_2007-3-31.jpg" decoding="async" width="115" height="120" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Portrait_-_Denmark_DTU_2007-3-31.jpg/172px-Portrait_-_Denmark_DTU_2007-3-31.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Portrait_-_Denmark_DTU_2007-3-31.jpg/230px-Portrait_-_Denmark_DTU_2007-3-31.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1650" data-file-height="1725" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman" class="extiw" title="w:Richard Stallman">Richard Stallman</a> (2007)</div> </li> </ul> <p><br /> TODO </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="fun_section:_not_serious_answers_(perhaps_they_are_?)"><span id="fun_section:_not_serious_answers_.28perhaps_they_are_.3F.29"></span>fun section: not serious answers (perhaps they are ?)</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-23" title="Edit section: fun section: not serious answers (perhaps they are ?)" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-23" title="Edit section's source code: fun section: not serious answers (perhaps they are ?)"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>1. Why access to information is important? </p> <dl><dd>than ?</dd></dl> <p>2. Why education is considered as a human right? </p> <dl><dd>by ?</dd></dl> <p>3. Who will benefit if the access to information and education is improved? </p> <dl><dd>they (don't say it loud, not even think of it)</dd></dl> <p>4. Who is afraid of the access for all and why? </p> <dl><dd>they (don't say it loud, not even think of it)</dd></dl> <p><br /> "they": didn't you read <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_(Nineteen_Eighty-Four)" class="extiw" title="w:Big Brother (Nineteen Eighty-Four)">Big Brother (1984)</a> ? </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_March_10_-_OER_week2:_Introduction_to_LeMill_and_Wikiversity">2008 March 10 - OER week2: Introduction to LeMill and Wikiversity</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-24" title="Edit section: 2008 March 10 - OER week2: Introduction to LeMill and Wikiversity" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-24" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 March 10 - OER week2: Introduction to LeMill and Wikiversity"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>So, we survived already the 1st week of the course. <a href="/wiki/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources#Week_2_-_March_10th:_Introduction_to_LeMill_and_Wikiversity" title="Composing free and open online educational resources">Assignment of week2</a> begins today. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="my_assignment_for_this_week">my assignment for this week</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-25" title="Edit section: my assignment for this week" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-25" title="Edit section's source code: my assignment for this week"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><i>>* You should register with LeMill or Wikiversity, contribute something in the form of constructive feedback in discussion forums, editing, or new page creation, then write one (1) blog post about the experience</i> </p> <dl><dd>Well, I am doing this already at Wikiversity. But I have an idea: I want to help the course participants (this means <b>YOU</b>) who decide to contribute here also.</dd> <dd>Advantage: <dl><dd><ul><li>perhaps this can help people being faster efficient here by getting appropriate hints ?</li> <li>I don't know what the expectations of people were in the 1st week, but I personally expected that there was more interaction between each other and this could help perhaps ? Also saving time for Teemu + Hans :-)</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>Disadvantage: I fear this will cost some time and let's see if I can explore LeMill more.</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="survival_guide_for_Wikiversity">survival guide for Wikiversity</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-26" title="Edit section: survival guide for Wikiversity" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-26" title="Edit section's source code: survival guide for Wikiversity"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><i>>* Try to locate a group or project where people are working on some learning resource or study project that you could assist with, and join the group or project by notifying the other editors of your interest.</i> </p> <dl><dd>some hints how to proceed here: <dl><dd><ul><li>can the course participants tell on a central page their interested areas ? e.g. <a href="/wiki/Talk:Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Composing free and open online educational resources">here</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>This can be used to find others from this course having similar interest, so you would be already a team :-)</dd> <dd>Please also don't forget to foster cooperation with other projects - so why not join with different people from here and there ?</dd></dl> <ul><li>Try the search button in Wikiversity (see left navigation bar)? Did it not bring good/enough results ? Perhaps this page might help: <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Searching" title="Wikiversity:Searching">Wikiversity:Searching</a> (there are the go- and search button, last one delivers more results) Besides the search there is also available the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Browse" title="Wikiversity:Browse">major portals</a> where you can dive in. When you don't find anything, why not create it ?</li> <li>There are the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&limit=500">recent changes</a>, where you can see what is actually being edited.</li></ul> <dl><dd>Advantage: if someone is editing at the moment, you can join hands with this person, because in some learning projects contributors are e.g. in vacation.</dd></dl> <ul><li>use all means to find people, e.g. the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a> - try this <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://java.freenode.net//index.php?channel=wikiversity-en">link</a> to go directly there. There should be always someone (<a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Support_staff" title="Wikiversity:Support staff">Wikiversity:Support staff</a>, ...) able/willing to help you.</li> <li>You could e.g. ask in the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium" title="Wikiversity:Colloquium">Wikiversity:Colloquium</a> also to find people who are interested in same topics.</li> <li>If you found a learning project/page you can find people lately being active there over the "history"-button on top of each page or see the talk page.</li> <li>on every user page you can find on the left navigation bar "Toolbox" the link: "E-mail this user" - if the person has activated email in his <a href="/wiki/Special:Preferences" title="Special:Preferences">preferences</a> (see tab "User profile" > E-mail > Enable e-mail from other users") she might react faster</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>I would recommend to go in yourself and search something where you have interest (e.g. hobby,...). This is what is always good when doing things.</li> <li>I nearly forgot, this is the standard message a new user receives here: <a href="/wiki/Template:Welcome" title="Template:Welcome">Template:Welcome</a></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Probably there are still some questions or ? Either contact <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User talk:Erkan Yilmaz">me</a> or even better: write in the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium" title="Wikiversity:Colloquium">Wikiversity:Colloquium</a> and even faster: visit the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Be_bold" title="Wikiversity:Be bold">Be bold</a> !</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="expected_outcome_?"><span id="expected_outcome_.3F"></span>expected outcome ?</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-27" title="Edit section: expected outcome ?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-27" title="Edit section's source code: expected outcome ?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><i>>* As well as joining an existing project, start your own new content or wiki-page resource in LeMill or Wikiversity.</i> </p> <dl><dd><ul><li>I think one result of this week could be a separate page about the experiences so that future participants will profit from this ?</li> <li>And hopefully much more from you :-)</li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Questions_I_have_at_the_moment">Questions I have at the moment</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-28" title="Edit section: Questions I have at the moment" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-28" title="Edit section's source code: Questions I have at the moment"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>how many people will join ?</li> <li>what happens when it is too much for me ? I think I will find some other <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Support_staff" title="Wikiversity:Support staff">good souls</a> around here to help us.</li> <li>Is this bad since I perhaps don't have the time to get to know LeMill more ?</li> <li>Is this in the goal of the assignment ? I mean should people learn on their own or use such an offered advantage ?</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="TODO_8">TODO</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-29" title="Edit section: TODO" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-29" title="Edit section's source code: TODO"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>ask Teemu + Hans what they think <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Green_tick.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Green_tick.svg/20px-Green_tick.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Green_tick.svg/30px-Green_tick.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Green_tick.svg/40px-Green_tick.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></a></span></li> <li>create <a href="/wiki/Participants_of_the_composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources_course/activity_level" title="Participants of the composing free and open online educational resources course/activity level">this list</a> of people already being here active (from the <a href="/wiki/Participant_of_the_composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources_course" class="mw-redirect" title="Participant of the composing free and open online educational resources course">participant list</a>) <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Green_tick.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Green_tick.svg/20px-Green_tick.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Green_tick.svg/30px-Green_tick.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Green_tick.svg/40px-Green_tick.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></a></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>why don't you edit that page if you get active here ?</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>write them on their talk page or email them ?</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>not done, if someone doesn't want to come here, don't spam him :-)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>btw: is there a mailing list available ?</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="examples_what_was_done_already">examples what was done already</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-30" title="Edit section: examples what was done already" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-30" title="Edit section's source code: examples what was done already"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikiversity_talk:Research#regarding_assignment_in_OER_course" title="Wikiversity talk:Research">Wikiversity talk:Research#regarding assignment in OER course</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk:Web_design#getting_a_development_space" title="Talk:Web design">Talk:Web design#getting a development space</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk:Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Composing free and open online educational resources">Talk:Composing free and open online educational resources</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk:Web_design#want_to_join_this_group" title="Talk:Web design">Talk:Web design#want to join this group</a></li> <li>comments in blogs: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://criticaltechnology.blogspot.com/2008/03/introduction-to-wikiversity.html">Peter</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://jlh-jlh.blogspot.com/2008/03/wikiversity-page-creation.html">Janet</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://ebcnzer.blogspot.com/2008/03/oer-projects-lemill-and-wikiversity.html">Mark</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://stewjean.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/creating-oer-lemill-or-wikiversity">Jeanette</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://free-e-learner.blogspot.com/2008/03/my-first-steps-with-wikiversity.html">Ari</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://keithsworkblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/oer-deep-in-wikipedia.html">Keith</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jtneill/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources#Week_1_to_3" title="User:Jtneill/Composing free and open online educational resources">James</a></li> <li>"You just have to clear the mind to let flow the ideas (ok, sounds now as if I had some illegal substance in me - but no - I don't use these - but I hope you get the idea ?)." (source: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://greatexplorer-cool.blogspot.com/2008/03/my-trip-to-wikiuniversity.html">me</a>)</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="observations">observations</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-31" title="Edit section: observations" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-31" title="Edit section's source code: observations"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>people still do not use the interaction possibility much (<a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a>, ...) :-( Why isn't the collective mind used more ? You have a question ? Someone will know the answer and save e.g. you the time to search. Also you learn new people with this. Therefore when I post on their blogs, I try to reference other participant's blogs - a good example for interaction was that of Anica, see <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barbara.braun" title="User talk:Barbara.braun">here</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Today I saw 3 course participants successfully participate in the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a>. Also from another participant I know she did this in the past. And from the others I assume now: they are already experts and selected nick names from which others can not infer who they are ;-) <dl><dd>The participation level of <a href="/wiki/User:Jtneill" title="User:Jtneill">James</a> is just incredible</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>I fear people expect that everything must be super perfect and such ? It is a <a href="/wiki/Wiki" title="Wiki">wiki</a> - if the next one finds your contribution this will already be a help - so just <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Be_bold" title="Wikiversity:Be bold">be bold</a> - really. Imagine in 1 week doing a completely new project is impossible - I guess nobody expects that. Just start - it takes time to learn the wiki way.</li> <li>I also try not to overwhelm them - perhaps it can be seen as too intrusive ? If I reply on their edits referencing the edit itself with a history link - perhaps they fear then: "Ah, each edit is observed ?" Just do more edits, then nobody will have the time to do so :-) And really we have other things to do then watch every step of yours :-)</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_March_9_-_making_my_notes_to_Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War_available_on_Wikiversity">2008 March 9 - making my notes to <a href="/wiki/Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War" title="Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War">Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War</a> available on Wikiversity</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-32" title="Edit section: 2008 March 9 - making my notes to Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War available on Wikiversity" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-32" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 March 9 - making my notes to Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War available on Wikiversity"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>nothing dramatic: they can be found on the German Wikiversity <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Kurs:Der_Peloponnesische_Krieg/Notizen" class="extiw" title="de:Kurs:Der Peloponnesische Krieg/Notizen">here</a>. Was thinking why I released it now: I assume it was because of these recent posts: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity%3AColloquium&diff=220770&oldid=220762">Juan</a>, <a href="/wiki/Talk:Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War#short_summary_put_on_German_Wikiversity" title="Talk:Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War">Daan</a>. </p> <dl><dd>In case you don't know: our weekly chats are also published - <a href="/wiki/Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War/Meetings" title="Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War/Meetings">here</a> on Wikiversity</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_March_4_-_Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources">2008 March 4 - <a href="/wiki/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources" title="Composing free and open online educational resources">Composing free and open online educational resources</a></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-33" title="Edit section: 2008 March 4 - Composing free and open online educational resources" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-33" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 March 4 - Composing free and open online educational resources"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="week1:_3rd_post:_Study_the_open_education_projects_online_and_write_a_commentary_about_them_in_your_blog.">week1: 3rd post: Study the open education projects online and write a commentary about them in your blog.</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-34" title="Edit section: week1: 3rd post: Study the open education projects online and write a commentary about them in your blog." class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-34" title="Edit section's source code: week1: 3rd post: Study the open education projects online and write a commentary about them in your blog."><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>There are given following 5 online projects where I should give a commentary :-) So, I will do this with an use case (in the hope to simulate a normal user): I am interested in history, at the moment in <a href="/wiki/Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War" title="Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War">Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War</a> (431-404 BC) - let's see if these projects can offer me information regarding this. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="summary">summary</h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-35" title="Edit section: summary" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-35" title="Edit section's source code: summary"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>licence: Wikiversity uses GNU FDL - all others use some kind of a CC licence</li> <li>finding people with same interest: tags help to find easier other people with same interests, seen so far at LeMill.net, Open University - check the others also</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Wikiversity hasn't something like this in this form, but there are categories, which could be used or user boxes</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>register an account: could not register an account at MIT OpenCourseWare, the other four offered this</li> <li>could I as normal user find the info I wish ?</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>search gave back at least 1 hit for Thucydides and/or Peloponnesian War at:</dd> <dd>Open University, MIT, Wikiversity, LeMill.net</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>multilanguage:</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>all wikimedia projects have several languages - a complete list you can find on <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Complete_list_of_wikimedia_projects" class="extiw" title="meta:Complete list of wikimedia projects">meta</a>. Especially for Wikiversity there is a "breeding ground": <a href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Main_Page" class="extiw" title="betawikiversity:Main Page">betawikiversity</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>To have a new Wikiversity site, you need ten active participants for the project. Then you can request (at meta) for a new language domain to be set up.</dd></dl> <ul><li>Also LeMill offers more pages in other languages, but I am not sure how much the percentage is</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>...</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Open_University_(UK)_Open_Content_Initiative"><span id="Open_University_.28UK.29_Open_Content_Initiative"></span><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/">Open University (UK) Open Content Initiative</a></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-36" title="Edit section: Open University (UK) Open Content Initiative" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-36" title="Edit section's source code: Open University (UK) Open Content Initiative"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd>visting at March 5th, 2008: <dl><dd><ul><li>The website tells: "The OpenLearn website gives free access to course materials from The Open University."</li> <li>Ok, I have an account now there.</li> <li>seems they are more multimedia oriented: I see a world map, chat possibility, link to video meeting possibility</li></ul> <dl><dd><b>TODO</b>: test this</dd></dl> <ul><li>I want to jump first to "Arts and History" :-)</li></ul> <dl><dd>I am a little impatient, so my search for Thucydides or Peloponnesian War does not reveal a hit - ok, let's scan the material then page by page</dd> <dd>First thought: why not have the possibility to show all in one page ? <dl><dd>When using the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://css2.open.ac.uk/search/">main search</a> I get 34 hits on the term Thucydides and 15 hits for Peloponnesian War <dl><dd><b>TODO</b>: scan them</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Aha: "Finding information in Arts and History": let's join it for a later read :-)</li> <li>subscribe also to: "French Revolution"</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li><b>TODO</b>: read <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.open.ac.uk/openlearn/about-us/faq.php">FAQ</a></li> <li>If I go to my profile and click on my learning interest's tags I can find other people, e.g. History tag leads me to 20 other persons with this tag</li> <li>licence: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/uk/">Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0 Licence</a></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>So, more to come, gotta go</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Rice_Connexions"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://cnx.org/">Rice Connexions</a></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-37" title="Edit section: Rice Connexions" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-37" title="Edit section's source code: Rice Connexions"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><ul><li>it says: "a place to view and share educational material made of small knowledge chunks called modules that can be organized as courses, books, reports, etc."</li> <li>also have an account here now</li> <li>TODO: read <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://cnx.org/help/qstart">quick start</a> + <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://cnx.org/aboutus/faq">FAQ</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/25">TED Talk Richard Baraniuk</a> - Talks about the Connexions project</li> <li>licence used is: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/">CC by 2.0</a></li> <li>wow: in the confirmation email they offer a telephone number if I have problems</li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="MIT_OpenCourseWare"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://ocw.mit.edu/">MIT OpenCourseWare</a></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-38" title="Edit section: MIT OpenCourseWare" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-38" title="Edit section's source code: MIT OpenCourseWare"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>I remember somewhere in a deeper part of my brain cells, that I got this told by a friend. Probably also because of the MIT :-) Was before getting involved in wikimedia projects. But didn't do much more back then.</li> <li>Well let's go the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/History/index.htm">history department</a>. I thought: perhaps they have something about <a href="/wiki/Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War" title="Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War">Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War</a> (431-404 BC) ? hehe, there might be something at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/History/21H-301Fall-2004/CourseHome/index.htm">The Ancient World: Greece</a>: <i>"...Thucydidean rationalism, and the Peloponnesian War; ..."</i></li></ul> <dl><dd>so, I found something there already which might interest me, didn't have yet the time to assess the quality of that info :-(</dd></dl> <ul><li>suggestion: perhaps they can implement a column with a time line of the courses to sort at the main page of the history department ? could help people to find info faster ?</li> <li>licence: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/us/">CC by-nc-sa 3.0</a></li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="LeMill.net"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://lemill.net">LeMill.net</a></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-39" title="Edit section: LeMill.net" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-39" title="Edit section's source code: LeMill.net"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><ul><li>it tells: "LeMill is a web community of 2156 teachers and other learning content creators. At the moment LeMill has 1127 reusable learning content resources, 206 descriptions of teaching and learning methods, and 387 descriptions of teaching and learning tools. If your learning resource is not yet in LeMill, please join the community and let's make it together."</li> <li>ok, let's also register here then</li> <li>here the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://lemill.net/community/members/?getSubject_area=History">history tag</a> leads me to 37 other participants who I have the chance to contact</li> <li>licence: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License</a></li> <li>got a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://lemill.net/content/planet-europe-b-project/view">result</a> for "Peloponnesian War", but the page is not yet created - who knows, perhaps I might add some info :-)</li> <li>offers and probably wants to be multilanguage</li> <li>my <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://lemill.net/community/Erkan_Yilmaz/collections/erkan">collection</a></li> <li><b>TODO</b>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://lemill.net/content/lemill-tour">Take a Tour</a> + <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://lemill.net/content/lemill-faq">read FAQ</a></li></ul></dd></dl> <p><br /> </p> <dl><dd><ul><li>no 24/7 service:</li></ul> <dl><dd>when going there 2008 March 4th, 18:37 UTC I see: "We are updating LeMill.net and the service is in read-only mode. You can browse LeMill, but not log in or edit content. The service will be back in few hours. Apologies for the inconvenience."</dd> <dd>ok, let`s postpone my visit a little then <dl><dd>haha, when visiting <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hauptseite" class="extiw" title="commons:Hauptseite">commons</a> 2 mins later I got:</dd> <dd>Wikimedia Commons has a problem</dd> <dd>Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.</dd> <dd>Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.</dd> <dd>(Can't contact the database server: Too many connections (10.0.0.231))</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Wikiversity_2"><a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Main_Page" title="Wikiversity:Main Page">Wikiversity</a></h4><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-40" title="Edit section: Wikiversity" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-40" title="Edit section's source code: Wikiversity"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Well, what do you expect now from me to write ? haha :-)</dd> <dd>One of the most important things for it to work: trust. Most of us do this in our free time and don't even get paid.</dd> <dd>Just thinking if I should write more BAD things about it :-) Let's see, have some more days until the assignments for week1 have to be delivered.</dd> <dd>licence: GNU FDL</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="other_participants_2">other participants</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-41" title="Edit section: other participants" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-41" title="Edit section's source code: other participants"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><i>"The participants are expected to evaluate and give constructive feedback to each other through comments on other blogs and synthesis of other's ideas on their own blog."</i> (see <a href="/wiki/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources#Evalution_and_Feedback" title="Composing free and open online educational resources">here</a>).</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><b>edit 9th March:</b></dd> <dd>I have now replied on a few blogs and some thoughts regarding this: <ul><li>only a few don't allow immediate showing of comments</li> <li>what kind of licence are their posts under ? I would like to cite them, but since nothing mentioned, I better don't quote :-( my edits here are under GNU FDL - but hey, just ask me and you can use it under another licence - what's the big deal ? <ul><li>So I put a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://criticaltechnology.blogspot.com/">CC-BY on my blog</a>. Erkan, I believe you are correct in suggesting all participants put some kind of licence on their blogs / posts... -- <a href="/wiki/User:Prawstho" title="User:Prawstho">Prawstho</a> 21:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC)</li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Hello Peter, thanks for the initiative with the licence. Let's see how many others will follow. ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat"><small>Wikiversity:Chat</small></a> 22:00, 9 March 2008 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>I will call people now by their first name - hope nobody cries now ? :-)</li> <li>I am not sure but from the yet <a href="/wiki/Participant_of_the_composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources_course" class="mw-redirect" title="Participant of the composing free and open online educational resources course">70 subscribed participants</a> not all seem to participate - roughly I would say maximum 30 are out there ?</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><b>edit 10th March:</b> <ul><li>I must say that I wanted to write more on the blog posts itself, but the reading of the other blogs cost also much time than was available. So I had to make a decision - and I preferred the interaction with others :-)</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><ul><li>I guess a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://ebcnzer.blogspot.com/2008/03/introduction-for-oer-course.html">hello</a> doesn't hurt.</li> <li>Visited some blogs and wrote in a few a comment, could use some for the microfinance argument (see <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March#week1:_2nd_post:_Open_Educational_Resources:_What_they_are_and_why_do_they_matter.3F" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz/observations/2008 March">above</a>). Who knows, perhaps there could be even a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://coursrol.blogspot.com/2008/03/here-we-go_04.html">cooperation</a> with French Wikiversity ?</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><b>edit March 9th:</b> Thanks to Jean-Marie there is something happening :-) see <a href="https://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Composer_des_ressources_%C3%A9ducatives_en_ligne_libres_et_ouvertes" class="extiw" title="fr:Composer des ressources éducatives en ligne libres et ouvertes">fr:Composer des ressources éducatives en ligne libres et ouvertes</a> (see <a href="https://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversit%C3%A9:La_salle_caf%C3%A9#Invitation_au_cours_anglais_.22Comment_cr.C3.A9er_un_cours_libre_et_ouvert_.3F.22" class="extiw" title="fr:Wikiversité:La salle café">discussion</a>)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>"<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://bombadilgames.blogspot.com/2008/03/ikka-tuomi-on-oer.html">Luca's page</a>" I agree fully - it is a mental thing</li> <li>"<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://myiqforever.blogspot.com/2008/03/commentry-on-oer-paper.html">Michelle's page</a>" I loved her argument</li> <li>hey, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://coursrol.blogspot.com/2008/03/study-of-open-education-projects.html">Jean-Marie</a> mentions me :-)</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://freezone-bm.blogspot.com/2008/03/open-education-projects-online-comments.html">Barbara's blog</a>: digitalizing books from libraries. I forgot to mention also <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikisource.org">wikisource</a> as an example :-(</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://stewjean.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/review-of-open-education-online-projects/">freenode + IRC</a> - Jeanette you just brought a smile on my face</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://dl1.yukoncollege.yk.ca/sylPLE/2008/03/08#a15">Sylvia's post</a> about blind alleys :-( see my reply there</li></ul></dd></dl> <dl><dd><ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://perwetterstrand.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/first-post-oercourse/">Per's blog</a> has in comparison to others a much different design. You immediately switch your attention there.</li> <li>Can't tell you exactly why, but I found the animal pictures on <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://myiqforever.blogspot.com/">Michelle's blog</a> refreshing.</li> <li>interesting <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.estigmergia.net/en/w/index.php?title=Our_home_wiki">wiki</a> seen on Enric's blog.</li></ul></dd></dl> <p><br /> </p> <dl><dd><b>edit 15th March</b>: that is what I am talking about: more interaction - course participants contacting each other: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barbara.braun" title="User talk:Barbara.braun">1</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_March_3_-_Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources">2008 March 3 - <a href="/wiki/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources" title="Composing free and open online educational resources">Composing free and open online educational resources</a></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-42" title="Edit section: 2008 March 3 - Composing free and open online educational resources" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-42" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 March 3 - Composing free and open online educational resources"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="week1:_2nd_post:_Open_Educational_Resources:_What_they_are_and_why_do_they_matter?"><span id="week1:_2nd_post:_Open_Educational_Resources:_What_they_are_and_why_do_they_matter.3F"></span>week1: 2nd post: Open Educational Resources: What they are and why do they matter?</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-43" title="Edit section: week1: 2nd post: Open Educational Resources: What they are and why do they matter?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-43" title="Edit section's source code: week1: 2nd post: Open Educational Resources: What they are and why do they matter?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><b>thoughts about page3 of <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.meaningprocessing.com/personalPages/tuomi/articles/OpenEducationalResources_OECDreport.pdf">this pdf</a></b> "Open Educational Resources: What they are and why do they matter?" by Ilkka Tuomi, October 2006, Report prepared for the OECD :</dd></dl> <dl><dd>"Assume, assume": am I in a mathematics lecture ? Assume this and that :-) I am exaggerating, we are especially in a virtual world, so anything can be possible.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>creating and access to OER: still people need either internet or hardware. I am wondering how much people in the developing countries can access them when they want/need it. E.g. me, when I want some info, I just search at any moment. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/wikiversity.org">access stats</a> for Wikiversity.org from Alexa (that does not mean these stats are true at all, they are just stats and should be treated so)</dd></dl> <dl><dd>speaking in general: there are concepts like <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microfinance" class="extiw" title="w:Microfinance">Microfinance</a> already giving very good examples. I am wondering why it takes so long then ?</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><b>edit 2008 March 4th:</b></dd> <dd>sad: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://rosmareri.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/rose/">[20]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://freezone-bm.blogspot.com/2008/03/doing-oer-course.html">[21]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://oercourse.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/week-1-introduction/">2nd comment: I was not able to begin yesterday because there was a long power cut ( it happens here!!!)</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://freezone-bm.blogspot.com/2008/03/comments-on-oer-report.html">Barbara's blog</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><b>edit 2008 March 8th:</b></dd> <dd>page 5: <i>"Cognitive technologies will be used to repair defects in learning styles and to compensate the effects of aging."</i> <dl><dd>sounds interesting, especially the latter part</dd></dl></dd> <dd>page6: hehe Wikipedia is mentioned</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><b>edit 2008 March 9th:</b></dd> <dd>page7: I am wondering how many of the course participants did ever help to make open source software better in any kind of form by mailing feedback, bugs, ... to the developers so that the community profits from this. From a simple: "Hi, your software is great" to telling: "there is a typo in the help" or "Do you guys know that this function does not work, when you do this and that? It's reproducable, but on another pc it is not :-(" If you did, please reply :-)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br /> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>page26: examples for hierarchical levels of openness at Wikiversity: <dl><dd>see also the comments by <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://keithsworkblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/discussion-continues.html">Keith</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://rosmareri.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/blog-post-2-on-open-educational-resources-what-they-are-and-why-do-they-matter/">Rosmareri</a>.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br /> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Openness I (access and accessibility): <dl><dd><ul><li>users can not edit e.g. the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Main_Page" title="Wikiversity:Main Page">Wikiversity:Main Page</a>, only read it because it is protected</li> <li>"available but in a language that is incomprehensible for the user"</li></ul> <dl><dd>happens sometimes people don't see there is <a href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Main_Page" class="extiw" title="betawikiversity:Main Page">betawikiversity</a> and input here the content and I have the chance then to find out in which language this is written :-) E.g. we also have language departments here, see <a href="/wiki/School:Language_and_literature" class="mw-redirect" title="School:Language and literature">School:Language and literature</a>.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><ul><li>"or because some disabilities make the content unusable for some users"</li></ul> <dl><dd>definitely: wondering if there is a learning project about "how to improve Wikiversity content for disabled persons" ?</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Openness II (the right and capability to enjoy the services generated by the resource):</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>example given which tells: to use content to pass a course with the users should be able to gain formal degrees if they so choose.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>well in this <a href="/wiki/Composing_free_and_open_online_educational_resources#Evalution_and_Feedback" title="Composing free and open online educational resources">OER course</a> it says: <i>"At the end of the course the facilitators (<a href="/wiki/User:Teemu" title="User:Teemu">Teemu</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Hans_Poldoja&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Hans Poldoja (page does not exist)">Hans</a>) will provide PASS, FAIL or COMPLEMENTARY WORK REQUIRED statements for each participant."</i></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Here at Wikiversity there is no formal degrees, see also <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:FAQ#Will_I_earn_a_diploma_at_Wikiversity.3F" title="Wikiversity:FAQ">Will I earn a diploma at Wikiversity?</a>: <i>"No. That's one thing we don't do. At the moment you cannot earn credentials here. But you can learn here and then earn your credentials elsewhere. For now this is about the learning itself, by itself."</i></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Openness III (the right and capability to modify, repackage, and add value to the resource): <dl><dd>we are a <a href="/wiki/Wiki" title="Wiki">wiki</a>, see also: <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Be_bold" title="Wikiversity:Be bold">Wikiversity:Be bold</a>; also fair use possible</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>page28ff: learned something about the history of copyright - thanks Ilkka</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="week1:_1st_post:_personal_introduction"><b>week1: 1st post: personal introduction</b></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-44" title="Edit section: week1: 1st post: personal introduction" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-44" title="Edit section's source code: week1: 1st post: personal introduction"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd>Regarding the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://oercourse.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/week-1-introduction/">introduction</a> I am asked to make 3 posts - the first about introducing myself:</dd></dl> <dl><dd><ul><li>I am <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan YILMAZ</a> - at the moment living in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlsruhe" class="extiw" title="w:Karlsruhe">Karlsruhe</a>, Germany</li> <li><i>>why I want to take this course ?</i></li></ul> <dl><dd>For me as Wikiversity user: I like the idea and I wanted to grab the chance.</dd></dl> <ul><li><i>>You may also use audio or video to present yourself.</i></li></ul> <dl><dd>perhaps later and in addition with the <a href="/wiki/Wiki_Campus_Radio" title="Wiki Campus Radio">Wiki Campus Radio</a>. If someone wants to hear my voice click <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.skilledtests.com/diverse/storytelling/erkan/sound/Erkan%20Yilmaz_live_comment_on_the_answering_machine_text_by_Google_talk.mp3">here</a> (even on the risk you laugh too much about it) and read <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://skilledtests.com/blog/2007/04/06/story-telling-and-sound/langswitch_lang/en">here</a> the story about it.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>things in my mind at the moment: <dl><dd><ul><li>I want to use not a regular blog system, but this page in wiki style. Probably it will not work with the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://jaiku.com/channel/oercourse/">Jaiku channel</a> :-( Let's see if I am forced and must either boost it up with RSS feeds or change to another blog system.</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I am eager to appear also on the Jaiku, so I decided to post on my other blog with RSS feed links to here, so others see me also in the list. group pressure ? ;-)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>deadlines of posts each week are until Sunday 23:59 UTC ?</li> <li>can people join afterwards ?</li></ul> <dl><dd>I fear: no</dd></dl> <ul><li>what licence does <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.meaningprocessing.com/personalPages/tuomi/articles/OpenEducationalResources_OECDreport.pdf">this</a> pdf have ? (for citing)</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>All rights reserved. Fair use (such as citing it in context) seems ok, for other things it's probably best to ask permission from the author. <dl><dd><dl><dd>edit 09th March: see also <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://coursrol.blogspot.com/2008/03/is-wikiversity-oer-course-based-on-open.html">Jean-Marie's</a> post</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br /> </p> <dl><dd><i><b>edit 2008 March 4th:</b></i> <dl><dd><ul><li>As you can and will see, I just write here some things an continue to add more to it during the next days: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wiki" class="extiw" title="w:wiki">wiki</a> style. I am wondering if some of the other participants do this also like this ?</li> <li>I am wondering, since we have in the group many teachers I might ask them one day: what do you think contributing at a public place where everyone can edit posts ? Would they think of things like: my original idea gets lost due to other persons edits ? manipulation ?</li></ul> <dl><dd>Do they know, that the community looks after this ? They are mostly not seen, but they are there. I am not sure if it can be compared to an invisible hand (Adam Smith) ? Do they know about ideas like: <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Original_research#Page_protection" title="Wikiversity:Original research">page protection</a> ?</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><i><b>edit 2008 March 9th:</b></i> see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://bombadilgames.blogspot.com/2008/03/ikka-tuomi-on-oer.html">Luca</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://coursrol.blogspot.com/2008/03/study-of-open-education-projects.html">Jean-Marie</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://kommednu.blogspot.com/2008/03/week-1-response-to-oer-what-they-are.html">Annika</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://stewjean.wordpress.com/2008/03/08/rice-connections-goodbye-textbooks">Jeanette</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="References">References</h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&veaction=edit&section=T-45" title="Edit section: References" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_March&action=edit&section=T-45" title="Edit section's source code: References"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-9"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-9">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">Artikel Zeitalter der Aufklärung. In: Wikipedia, Die freie Enzyklopädie. Bearbeitungsstand: 29. Februar 2008, 09:09 UTC. URL: <a class="external free" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zeitalter_der_Aufkl%C3%A4rung&oldid=43122077">http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zeitalter_der_Aufkl%C3%A4rung&oldid=43122077</a> (Abgerufen: 23. März 2008, 08:56 UTC)</span> </li> <li id="cite_note-10"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-10">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">Artikel Zeitalter der Aufklärung. In: Wikipedia, Die freie Enzyklopädie. Bearbeitungsstand: 29. Februar 2008, 09:09 UTC. URL: <a class="external free" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zeitalter_der_Aufkl%C3%A4rung&oldid=43122077">http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zeitalter_der_Aufkl%C3%A4rung&oldid=43122077</a> (Abgerufen: 23. März 2008, 09:14 UTC)</span> </li> </ol> <p><b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2008 February</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_February_3_-_contacting_different_organizations_to_foster_collaboration_&_The_Cape_Town_Open_Education_Declaration"><span id="2008_February_3_-_contacting_different_organizations_to_foster_collaboration_.26_The_Cape_Town_Open_Education_Declaration"></span>2008 February 3 - contacting different organizations to foster collaboration & The Cape Town Open Education Declaration</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_February&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2008 February 3 - contacting different organizations to foster collaboration & The Cape Town Open Education Declaration" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_February&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 February 3 - contacting different organizations to foster collaboration & The Cape Town Open Education Declaration"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>The Cape Town Open Education Declaration:</li></ul> <dl><dd>More info <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.capetowndeclaration.org">here</a> - don't forget to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.capetowndeclaration.org/sign-the-declaration">sign</a> it. Available translations <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.capetowndeclaration.org/translations">here</a>.</dd> <dd>So far 1313 signatures (1210 persons + 103 organizations), e.g. Wikimedia (Germany, France, UK, USA) <dl><dd>2011-10-22: 2281 individuals + 242 organizations added, not that much tbh after 3.5 years, why?</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Following organizations were contacted to foster cooperation with Wikiversity:</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.wikiversity.at/index.php?title=Benutzer:Erkan_Yilmaz#Verlauf_der_Kontaktaufnahme_mit_Wikiversity.at">wikiversity.at</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.net-wiki.de/index.php?title=Benutzer_Diskussion:Steffen">net-wiki.de</a>.</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wiki.freitagsrunde.org/Projekt-Ideen#Beteiligung_an_Wikiversity">freitagsrunde.org</a></li></ul></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>edit 2011-10-22: nothig lasting, though I guess de.WV + en.WV have their reputation + attract from themselves</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_February_2_-_why_not_increase_collaboration_with_wikisource_?"><span id="2008_February_2_-_why_not_increase_collaboration_with_wikisource_.3F"></span>2008 February 2 - why not increase collaboration with wikisource ?</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_February&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: 2008 February 2 - why not increase collaboration with wikisource ?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_February&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 February 2 - why not increase collaboration with wikisource ?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Portal_talk:Reading_groups#public_domain_texts" title="Portal talk:Reading groups">Portal_talk:Reading_groups#public_domain_texts</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>edit 2011-10-22: I've respect for WS people: their way of work needs attention, I think their work is undervalued, from what I see it's just the core of them which make the work, but when they once die or leave WS will die too :-( though there was some funding (or was that for Wiktionary?)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2008 January</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_January_29_-_You_are_kidding_?_Wikiversity_is_(also)_about_learning_(?)"><span id="2008_January_29_-_You_are_kidding_.3F_Wikiversity_is_.28also.29_about_learning_.28.3F.29"></span>2008 January 29 - You are kidding ? Wikiversity is (also) about learning (?)</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2008 January 29 - You are kidding ? Wikiversity is (also) about learning (?)" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 January 29 - You are kidding ? Wikiversity is (also) about learning (?)"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Some learning mechanisms: </p> <ol><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habituation" class="extiw" title="w:Habituation">habituation</a></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning" class="extiw" title="w:Classical conditioning">classical conditioning</a></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning" class="extiw" title="w:Operant conditioning">operant conditioning</a></li> <li>exploring/game (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/de:Spielverhalten" class="extiw" title="w:de:Spielverhalten">Spielverhalten</a>)</li> <li>imitation -> learning by observing</li> <li>recombinant behavior -> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognition" class="extiw" title="w:Cognition">cognitive</a> learning</li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinting_(psychology)" class="extiw" title="w:Imprinting (psychology)">imprinting</a></li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradition" class="extiw" title="w:Tradition">tradition</a></li></ol> <p>Thanks for the references, this is great information about learning about learning! --<a href="/wiki/User:Ncouture" title="User:Ncouture">Ncouture</a> 11:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>great to hear :-) ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> <small>uses the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a> + <a href="/wiki/Identi.ca" title="Identi.ca">Identi.ca</a></small> 11:14, 22 October 2011 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>made this into a table with links to other languages</li> <li>the user from above: did not edit more here, why?</li></ul> <p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_January_28_-_German_WV_participates_in_the_"year_of_mathematics"_by_the_"Federal_Ministry_of_Education_and_Research""><span id="2008_January_28_-_German_WV_participates_in_the_.22year_of_mathematics.22_by_the_.22Federal_Ministry_of_Education_and_Research.22"></span>2008 January 28 - German WV participates in the "year of mathematics" by the "Federal Ministry of Education and Research"</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: 2008 January 28 - German WV participates in the "year of mathematics" by the "Federal Ministry of Education and Research"" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 January 28 - German WV participates in the "year of mathematics" by the "Federal Ministry of Education and Research""><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>In Germany the year of mathematics has started (more info <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.jahr-der-mathematik.de">here</a> by the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.bmbf.de/en/index.php">Federal Ministry of Education and Research</a> BMBF (Bundesministerium für Bildung und Forschung)). Not only because of this German Wikiversity has initiated a project called <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Projekt:Mathematik_ist_%C3%BCberall" class="extiw" title="de:Projekt:Mathematik ist überall">Mathematics is everywhere</a> (Mathematik ist überall). German WV applied for the event and participates now as sole non-profit organization so far and got also the <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Bild:Wissenschaftsjahr_2008.svg" class="extiw" title="de:Bild:Wissenschaftsjahr 2008.svg">logo</a> for usage at WV. </p><p><a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Projekt:Mathematik_ist_%C3%BCberall" class="extiw" title="de:Projekt:Mathematik ist überall">Mathematics is everywhere at German Wikiversity</a> </p><p>edit 2011-10-21: no results </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_January_27_-_history_of_WV">2008 January 27 - history of WV</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&veaction=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: 2008 January 27 - history of WV" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 January 27 - history of WV"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd>While reconstructing the <a class="external text" href="https://de.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer%3AErkan_Yilmaz&diff=78015&oldid=77742">history of German Wikiversity</a> (for the history of en.WV see <a href="/wiki/User:JWSchmidt/history" title="User:JWSchmidt/history">here</a>, for el.WV see <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#2007_September_07_-_audio_conference_.26_Where_would_you_like_to_see_Wikiversity_in_6_months.3F_.26_.23wikiversity-el_.26_.23wikiversity-fr">here</a>) it seems that from the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special_projects_subcommittees/Wikiversity#Members" class="extiw" title="meta:Special projects subcommittees/Wikiversity">initial 5 members</a> of Wikiversity only two are actively participating. Perhaps we might get the others back again on board ? <dl><dd>earliest known written evidence (<i>please update, if you find earlier evidence</i>):</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><table class="prettytable"> <tbody><tr> <th>Wikiversity </th> <th>date </th> <th>where ? </th></tr> <tr> <td>en.WV </td> <td>2003 August </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity&diff=31963&oldid=31956">Wikibooks</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>de.WV </td> <td>2004 September </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversit%C3%A4t%2FAlter_Entwurf&diff=61327&oldid=61325">meta</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://de.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity%3AWikiversity&diff=30726&oldid=30725">Wikibooks 2005 February</a>) </td></tr> <tr> <td>it.WV </td> <td>2004 November </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://it.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity&action=edit">Wikibooks</a> (meta <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages%2FWikiversity_Italian&diff=481633&oldid=475676">2006 September</a>) </td></tr> <tr> <td>es.WV </td> <td>2004 November </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://es.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Portada&diff=743&oldid=742">Wikibooks</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>fr.WV </td> <td>2005 January </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversit%C3%A9&diff=4647&oldid=4645">Wikibooks</a><br />(<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikiversity_French" class="extiw" title="meta:Requests for new languages/Wikiversity French">request on 2006 August</a>) </td></tr> <tr> <td>beta </td> <td>2006 August </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=1">betawikiversity</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>el.WV </td> <td>2007 July </td> <td><a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages%2FWikiversity_Greek&diff=635571&oldid=635554">meta</a> </td></tr></tbody></table></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br /> edit 2011-10-21: all gone now </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_January_23_-_whiteboard_feature_for_Sandbox_Server_0.5">2008 January 23 - whiteboard feature for <a href="/wiki/Topic:Sandbox_Server_0.5" class="mw-redirect" title="Topic:Sandbox Server 0.5">Sandbox Server 0.5</a></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&veaction=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section: 2008 January 23 - whiteboard feature for Sandbox Server 0.5" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&action=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 January 23 - whiteboard feature for Sandbox Server 0.5"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd>Imagine a student, sitting in her chair and watching the board where the teacher has just written something.</dd> <dd>Sounds boring ? Well, perhaps not: <ul><li>if your chair is located not in the school building and</li> <li>the board you see is a whiteboard on your notebook and</li> <li>your teacher is 500 miles away :-)</li></ul></dd> <dd>a 2 mins test and it seems to work: <a href="/wiki/File:Whiteboard_feature_-_test_with_Coccinella.jpg" title="File:Whiteboard feature - test with Coccinella.jpg">Image:Whiteboard feature - test with Coccinella.jpg</a> (another <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://thecoccinella.org/v/windows/whiteboardXP.png.html">example</a>)</dd> <dd>needs to be tested more (e.g. with more than 2 people) - <a href="/wiki/Topic:Sandbox_Server_0.5/Instant_Messaging" class="mw-redirect" title="Topic:Sandbox Server 0.5/Instant Messaging">how to log in</a> on the <a href="/wiki/Topic:Sandbox_Server_0.5" class="mw-redirect" title="Topic:Sandbox Server 0.5">Sandbox Server 0.5</a></dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-22: </p> <ul><li>did not succeed due to Sandbox Server never getting really off the ground</li> <li>the only thing which survived over the years is the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">WV:Chat</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_January_19_-_new_WV_main_pages_&_status_of_reading_group_"Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War""><span id="2008_January_19_-_new_WV_main_pages_.26_status_of_reading_group_.22Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War.22"></span>2008 January 19 - new WV main pages & status of <a href="/wiki/Topic:Reading_groups" class="mw-redirect" title="Topic:Reading groups">reading group</a> <i>"<a href="/wiki/Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War" title="Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War">Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War</a>"</i></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&veaction=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section: 2008 January 19 - new WV main pages & status of reading group "Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War"" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&action=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 January 19 - new WV main pages & status of reading group "Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War""><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>new main page layout</b></li></ul> <dl><dd>The French Wikiversity has a <a href="https://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Accueil" class="extiw" title="fr:Accueil">new main page</a> since 16th January. Also recently en.WV and <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikiversity.org">www.wikiversity.org</a> got a new layout.</dd></dl> <ul><li><b>status of <a href="/wiki/Topic:Reading_groups" class="mw-redirect" title="Topic:Reading groups">reading group</a> <i>"<a href="/wiki/Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War" title="Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War">Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War</a>"</i></b></li></ul> <dl><dd>So far some people showed interest in the reading group: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Sundance_Raphael" title="User:Sundance Raphael">Sundance</a> (took part in one session)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Mirwin" title="User:Mirwin">Mirwin</a></li> <li>interested people on German WV: <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Kurs:Der_Peloponnesische_Krieg#Wer_hat_Interesse_.3F" class="extiw" title="de:Kurs:Der Peloponnesische Krieg">1</a>, <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:Trementatis" class="extiw" title="de:Benutzer Diskussion:Trementatis">2</a>, <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:Erkan_Yilmaz/Archiv/Archiv2#Kurs:Der_Peloponnesische_Krieg" class="extiw" title="de:Benutzer Diskussion:Erkan Yilmaz/Archiv/Archiv2">3</a></li></ul></dd></dl> <dl><dd>Unfortunately the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Thucydides%3A_The_Peloponnesian_War&diff=203566&oldid=203295#Next_meeting">announcement in various WVs and WBs</a> did not bring new participants. Therefore there could be thought about how to improve this situation, since the heart of the group still consists of two people (thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Daanschr" title="User:Daanschr">Daan</a>). We will continue and hope for more people to join.</dd> <dd>Some reasons which might hinder others to participate more could be: <ul><li>no time or too much to read in total (per session so far 25 aphorisms were to read) and therefore too longterm project ?</li> <li>not interesting enough ?</li> <li>language difficulties ?</li> <li>a desire to be entertained instead of doing something that appears to be like homework ?</li> <li><i>please add :-)</i></li></ul> <dl><dd><i>edit 2008-Feb.-4</i>: who would have thought <a href="/wiki/Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War/Meetings#02._February_2008_-_with_chat_log" title="Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War/Meetings">this</a> to happen</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>layout of main page: hard to find consensus, though one could do several entry points depending on user's choice</li> <li>more about Thucydides in my PLE: <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz/PLE#Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War_.28English_.2B_German.29" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz/PLE">User:Erkan_Yilmaz/PLE#Thucydides:_The_Peloponnesian_War_.28English_.2B_German.29</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_January_15_-_Wikipedia_Signpost_and_Wikiversity_&_I_must_be_crazy,_really_:-)"><span id="2008_January_15_-_Wikipedia_Signpost_and_Wikiversity_.26_I_must_be_crazy.2C_really_:-.29"></span>2008 January 15 - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" class="extiw" title="w:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost">Wikipedia Signpost</a> and Wikiversity & I must be crazy, really :-)</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&veaction=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section: 2008 January 15 - Wikipedia Signpost and Wikiversity & I must be crazy, really :-)" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&action=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 January 15 - Wikipedia Signpost and Wikiversity & I must be crazy, really :-)"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>What might be written about Wikiversity and other wikimedia projects in the future issue: see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Phoenix-wiki/Introduction_to_the_Wikimedia_Commons_and_other_projects" class="extiw" title="w:User:Phoenix-wiki/Introduction to the Wikimedia Commons and other projects">here</a></li></ul> <p><br /> </p> <div class="wikipediauserbox" style="float:left;border:1px solid #000;margin:1px;width:238px"><table role="presentation" style="border-collapse:collapse;width:238px;margin-bottom:0;margin-top:0;background:#836;color:inherit"><tbody><tr><td style="border:0;text-align:left;font-size:8pt;padding:0 4px 0 4px;height:45px;line-height:1.25em;color:#fff;vertical-align:middle">This user must have gone CRAZY<br />see <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January#2008_January_15_-_Wikipedia_Signpost_and_Wikiversity_.26_I_must_be_crazy.2C_really_:-.29" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz/observations/2008 January">here</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p><br style="clear:both;" /> </p> <dl><dd>I have now publicly offered a recently registered de.WV member that for each new member he woos, I will invest x mins of my lifetime to review articles: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://de.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity%3ACafeteria&diff=75434&oldid=75432">[22]</a>. Let's see the reaction to this marketing initiative</dd></dl> <p><br /> edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>There was also: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2008-05-09/Wikiversity_interview" class="extiw" title="w:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-05-09/Wikiversity interview">w:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-05-09/Wikiversity interview</a></li> <li>I think I shocked that de.WV guy with my offer :-(</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_January_14_-_translation_status_Wikiversities_+_what_you_can_find_on_commons"><span id="2008_January_14_-_translation_status_Wikiversities_.2B_what_you_can_find_on_commons"></span>2008 January 14 - translation status Wikiversities + what you can find on commons</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&veaction=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section: 2008 January 14 - translation status Wikiversities + what you can find on commons" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&action=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 January 14 - translation status Wikiversities + what you can find on commons"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><b>translation status of not yet established Wikiversities</b>: </p> <dl><dd>...can be seen <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics">here</a>, e.g. for the Turkish Wikiversity it is (<a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikiversity_Turkish_2" class="extiw" title="meta:Requests for new languages/Wikiversity Turkish 2">request page on meta</a>):</dd></dl> <dl><dd><table class="prettytable"> <tbody><tr> <th>Most often<br />used messages </th> <th>Extensions used<br />by Wikimedia </th> <th>MediaWiki<br />messages </th> <th>All<br />extensions </th></tr> <tr> <td>93.35% </td> <td>12.13% </td> <td>69.36% </td> <td>3.35% </td></tr></tbody></table></dd></dl> <dl><dd>From all the languages only the following have for all 4 values good percentages (I am not sure if the values from above link are updated - but if it is uptodate not for all 4 fields are needed high values to found a WV - when looking at the values from the so far six established WVs): ar, <b>en</b>, <b>fr</b>, gl, hsb, nl, oc, sk.</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><i>edit 2008-Januar-28</i>:</dd> <dd>Question: How can I help ?</dd> <dd>Answer: Slave, you dare to ask ? Your punishment therefore is: start translating (see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Intro">here</a>)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br /> <b>what can you find on commons?</b> </p> <dl><dd><table class="prettytable"> <tbody><tr> <th>click </th> <th>usage on<br />wikimedia projects </th></tr> <tr> <td><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Ass.jpg" class="extiw" title="commons:Image:Ass.jpg">Image:Ass.jpg</a> </td> <td><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/WikiSense/CheckUsage.php?i=Ass.jpg&w=_100000&m=&x=&go=Check+Usage&b=0#end">[23]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Nude_women" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Nude women">Category:Nude women</a> </td> <td> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Nude_men" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Nude men">Category:Nude men</a> </td> <td> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Nudity" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Nudity">Category:Nudity</a> </td> <td> </td></tr></tbody></table></dd></dl> <dl><dd>You may ask yourself, why I searched for this of course :-)</dd> <dd>Don't get funny ideas now, we were talking about a contest on IRC and then I searched for a keyword and found the above. I wonder what else you can find in the large commons archives (<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics" class="extiw" title="commons:Special:Statistics">commons statistics</a>). But interesting is: I did not try this special keyword before, because somehow I assumed on commons I would not find "such" things :-) You can always be wrong in your thinking patterns.</dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21 </p> <ul><li>commons: still there ;-) I love commons attitude</li> <li>Turkish WV: never got off the ground</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_January_13_-_votes_for_sysops_and_bots">2008 January 13 - votes for sysops and bots</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&veaction=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section: 2008 January 13 - votes for sysops and bots" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&action=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 January 13 - votes for sysops and bots"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Since the Greek Wikiversity is now launched, there are votes already going on for sysops and bots. Unfortunately not all requests are in English available :-( I also have <a class="external text" href="https://el.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=%CE%92%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B5%CF%80%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%84%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%B9%CE%BF%3A%CE%A8%CE%B7%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%81%CE%AF%CE%B1&diff=1789&oldid=1788">some questions</a>. If you want to vote, click <a href="https://el.wikiversity.org/wiki/%CE%92%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CE%B5%CF%80%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%84%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%B9%CE%BF:%CE%A8%CE%B7%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%81%CE%AF%CE%B1" class="extiw" title="el:Βικιεπιστήμιο:Ψηφοφορία">here</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_January_12:_request_for_Greek_Wikiversity_has_been_approved_!"><span id="2008_January_12:_request_for_Greek_Wikiversity_has_been_approved_.21"></span>2008 January 12: request for Greek Wikiversity has been approved !</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&veaction=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section: 2008 January 12: request for Greek Wikiversity has been approved !" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&action=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 January 12: request for Greek Wikiversity has been approved !"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Don't forget to <a class="external text" href="https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12587">vote</a> :-) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2008_January_07:_cooperation_with_robots.wikia.com_?"><span id="2008_January_07:_cooperation_with_robots.wikia.com_.3F"></span>2008 January 07: cooperation with <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://robots.wikia.com">robots.wikia.com</a> ?</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&veaction=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section: 2008 January 07: cooperation with robots.wikia.com ?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2008_January&action=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section's source code: 2008 January 07: cooperation with robots.wikia.com ?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Let's see what <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Benutzer:Dank55/wikia" class="extiw" title="de:Benutzer:Dank55/wikia">kind of cooperation</a> can be with Wikiversity. </p><p>edit 2011-10-22: </p> <ul><li>nothing much more, I guess that guy was expecting something else</li></ul> <p><br /> <b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2007 December</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_December_23_-_Jabber_with_the_Sandbox_Server">2007 December 23 - Jabber with the <a href="/wiki/Topic:Sandbox_Server_0.5" class="mw-redirect" title="Topic:Sandbox Server 0.5">Sandbox Server</a></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_December&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2007 December 23 - Jabber with the Sandbox Server" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_December&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 December 23 - Jabber with the Sandbox Server"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd>We just made a session to chat over the Sandbox Server (<a href="/wiki/Topic:Sandbox_Server_0.5/Instant_Messaging" class="mw-redirect" title="Topic:Sandbox Server 0.5/Instant Messaging">howto</a>)</dd></dl> <p>edits 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>the king is dead, long live the king <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity_talk%3ASandbox_Server&action=historysubmit&diff=803064&oldid=663287">[24]</a></li> <li>learning needs the mentality, also by those facilitating it</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_December_16_-_teamwork_with_de.WB">2007 December 16 - teamwork with de.WB</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_December&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: 2007 December 16 - teamwork with de.WB" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_December&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 December 16 - teamwork with de.WB"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd>Thanks to a de.WB member we have now a new course more: <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Kurs:Zitron" class="extiw" title="de:Kurs:Zitron">de:Kurs:Zitron</a> - which will be a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructed_language" class="extiw" title="w:Constructed language">constructed language</a>.</dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>though at some places I said there's collaboration between de.Wb + de.WV in the long term it was not <ul><li>perhaps because de.WB had few contributors?</li> <li>another thought: easily all content from de.WB could be also done in de.WV -> fear? <ul><li>though I'm for exporting things to WB, but for incubating: WV is a better place</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_December_5_-_IRC_meeting:_"What_is_Wikiversity?""><span id="2007_December_5_-_IRC_meeting:_.22What_is_Wikiversity.3F.22"></span>2007 December 5 - <a href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:IRC_meeting:What_is_Wikiversity%3F" class="extiw" title="betawikiversity:Wikiversity:IRC meeting:What is Wikiversity?">IRC meeting: "What is Wikiversity?"</a></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_December&veaction=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: 2007 December 5 - IRC meeting: "What is Wikiversity?"" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_December&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 December 5 - IRC meeting: "What is Wikiversity?""><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd>If you have time join the discussion Saturday (8th December 2007).</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_December_2_-_Happy_Birthday_french_WV">2007 December 2 - Happy Birthday french WV</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_December&veaction=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section: 2007 December 2 - Happy Birthday french WV" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_December&action=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 December 2 - Happy Birthday french WV"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><a class="external autonumber" href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikiversity-l/2007-December/000271.html">[25]</a></dd></dl> <p><b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2007 November</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_November_27_-_collecting_content_from_other_wikimedia_projects">2007 November 27 - collecting content from other wikimedia projects</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_November&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2007 November 27 - collecting content from other wikimedia projects" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_November&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 November 27 - collecting content from other wikimedia projects"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd>There exists now a learning project at German WV: <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Projekt:Fundst%C3%BCcke_aus_anderen_Wikimedia-Projekten" class="extiw" title="de:Projekt:Fundstücke aus anderen Wikimedia-Projekten">de:Projekt:Fundstücke aus anderen Wikimedia-Projekten</a></dd> <dd>See also here at 2007 October 6 for the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Wikimedia_Garbage_Detail" title="Wikiversity:Wikimedia Garbage Detail">Wikiversity:Wikimedia Garbage Detail</a></dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-12: </p> <ul><li>deletions are a very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very controversial topic</li> <li>see also <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&diff=prev&oldid=803025">[26]</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_November_17_-_Greek_Wikiversity_-_final_approval_?_&_paper_about_WV"><span id="2007_November_17_-_Greek_Wikiversity_-_final_approval_.3F_.26_paper_about_WV"></span>2007 November 17 - Greek Wikiversity - final approval ? & paper about WV</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_November&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: 2007 November 17 - Greek Wikiversity - final approval ? & paper about WV" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_November&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 November 17 - Greek Wikiversity - final approval ? & paper about WV"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>Greek Wikiversity final approval ?</li></ul> <dl><dd>Unfortunately not all <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special_projects_subcommittees/Languages/Archives/2007-11#Wikiversity_Greek">comments</a> are available. <dl><dd><i>edit 2007-11-20</i>: <a class="external text" href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3APathoschild%2FStatus%2Fwv-el&diff=140676&oldid=137335">seems not good or ?</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>paper about WV:</li></ul> <dl><dd>Today there was someone in the German chat who is going to write about Wikiversity in a seminary called "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www2.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de/lehre/winter0708/seminar_zu_design_und_analyse_von_web_20_projekten/">Seminar zu Design und Analyse von Web 2.0 Projekten</a>" (there will also be a topic about Wikibooks). Let's see what will come out. <dl><dd>Was the one who will write about Wikibooks also there? Or was he/she in the wb channel? Do you know that? It seems to me that their tutor (Tischler) likes wiki and open source. :) -- <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/89.50.54.64" title="Special:Contributions/89.50.54.64">89.50.54.64</a> aka heuler06 17:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC) <dl><dd>Only <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Benutzer:Franz" class="extiw" title="de:Benutzer:Franz">de:Benutzer:Franz</a> was at #wikiversity-de - perhaps he could give you details about the other person ? ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat"><small>Wikiversity:Chat</small></a>, <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small>wiki blog</small></a>) 17:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd> <dd>This is interesting - will they be reporting back somehow, or will we have to nominate someone to keep tabs on the seminar? (Will that someone be you, Erkan? :-)) <a href="/wiki/User:Cormaggio" title="User:Cormaggio">Cormaggio</a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cormaggio" title="User talk:Cormaggio">talk</a></small></sup> 09:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC) <dl><dd>Since the seminar will be in 1 month, I guess he will soon start. I have contacted <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:Franz" class="extiw" title="de:Benutzer Diskussion:Franz">him</a> also now. I just saw a rough draft some time ago in the chat. Other questions of him can be found <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:Erkan_Yilmaz#Begr.C3.BC.C3.9Fung_und_Frage_zu_unserem_Projekt" class="extiw" title="de:Benutzer Diskussion:Erkan Yilmaz">here</a> (in German). We offered him help - regarding information - but of course he should do the work for himself :-) ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat"><small>Wikiversity:Chat</small></a>, <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small>wiki blog</small></a>) 17:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC) <dl><dd>The <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Media:Wikiversity_Pr%C3%A4sentation.pdf" class="extiw" title="de:Media:Wikiversity Präsentation.pdf">presentation</a> and the <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Media:Wikiversity_Ausarbeitung.pdf" class="extiw" title="de:Media:Wikiversity Ausarbeitung.pdf">paper</a> (29 pages) are available now in German language, ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat"><small>Wikiversity:Chat</small></a>, <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small>wiki blog</small></a>) 17:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>that guy never got active at de.WV anymore</li> <li>as I see last edit on page <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Presse" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Presse">de:Wikiversity:Presse</a> was in 2009 <ul><li>I thought en.Wv would be better: <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:In_the_media" title="Wikiversity:In the media">Wikiversity:In the media</a> but the last edit there was even earlier :-(</li> <li>outreach wikimedia has not more though: <a class="external text" href="https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf/Wikiversity#Wikiversity">Bookshelf/Wikiversity#Wikiversity</a></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_November_11_-_what_will_happen_if_you_start_talking_to_yourself_?"><span id="2007_November_11_-_what_will_happen_if_you_start_talking_to_yourself_.3F"></span>2007 November 11 - what will happen if you start talking to yourself ?</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_November&veaction=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: 2007 November 11 - what will happen if you start talking to yourself ?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_November&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 November 11 - what will happen if you start talking to yourself ?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Let's see what happens: <a href="https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Erkan_Yilmaz" class="extiw" title="incubator:User talk:Erkan Yilmaz">incubator:User_talk:Erkan_Yilmaz</a> </p> <dl><dd><small>you are bored too much ;-) -- <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:83.133.5.85&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:83.133.5.85 (page does not exist)">83.133.5.85</a> aka heuler06 07:47, 15 November 2007 (UTC)</small> <dl><dd>Hello heuler06, that was not the expected reaction I thought would happen, but this reaction is better than nothing. ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat"><small>Wikiversity:Chat</small></a>, <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small>wiki blog</small></a>) 11:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)</dd></dl></dd> <dd>We all talk to ourselves! A blog can be a running conversation with ourselves - which often hopes to include others in that conversation. As to "what will happen?", that can actually be quite a profound question, with profound answers. But as to whether we need to ask ourselves 'how we are', well, I think that may be pushing the idea of a conversation. ;-) <a href="/wiki/User:Cormaggio" title="User:Cormaggio">Cormaggio</a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cormaggio" title="User talk:Cormaggio">talk</a></small></sup> 10:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>yeah, sometimes I can be crazy, though others say that's being creative</li> <li>I can recommend blogs, see also: <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz/PLE#blog_.28in_English.29" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz/PLE">User:Erkan_Yilmaz/PLE#blog_.28in_English.29</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_November_10_-_Wikiversity_flyer">2007 November 10 - Wikiversity flyer</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_November&veaction=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section: 2007 November 10 - Wikiversity flyer" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_November&action=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 November 10 - Wikiversity flyer"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>de.WV flyer:</li></ul> <dl><dd>I hope we can finalize the <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Projekt:Wikiversity_Flyer/Brainstorming#Seite_eins_bis_sechs" class="extiw" title="de:Projekt:Wikiversity Flyer/Brainstorming">German Wikiversity flyer proposal</a> soon (hopefully still this year :-)). Let's <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Cafeteria/Archiv/2007/11#Wikiversity_Flyer" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Cafeteria/Archiv/2007/11">awaken</a> people again. <dl><dd><dl><dd><i>edit 2007-12-16</i>: I think today we made one big step forward towards the realization of the German WV flyer. The salutation issue was decided (will be used the masculine form, though we have still different opinions, including me). For version 2 of the flyer we can optimize again.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>for such things meeting in real life is better <ul><li>caused too much effort</li></ul></li> <li>what happened afterwards? <ul><li>WMF Germany produced one without any community interaction :-(</li> <li>see <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/August_2011#Wikiversity_-_Lernen_und_Lehren_translation_anyone.3F" title="Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/August 2011">Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/August_2011#Wikiversity_-_Lernen_und_Lehren_translation_anyone.3F</a></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_November_5_-_for_some_people_I_will_suffer_freely_:-)"><span id="2007_November_5_-_for_some_people_I_will_suffer_freely_:-.29"></span>2007 November 5 - for some people I will suffer freely :-)</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_November&veaction=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section: 2007 November 5 - for some people I will suffer freely :-)" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_November&action=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 November 5 - for some people I will suffer freely :-)"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><a class="external autonumber" href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Contents/El&diff=prev&oldid=12260">[27]</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_November_4_-_no_activity_by_users_from_universities,_so_what_can_we_do_about_this?"><span id="2007_November_4_-_no_activity_by_users_from_universities.2C_so_what_can_we_do_about_this.3F"></span>2007 November 4 - no activity by users from universities, so what can we do about this?</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_November&veaction=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section: 2007 November 4 - no activity by users from universities, so what can we do about this?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_November&action=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 November 4 - no activity by users from universities, so what can we do about this?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd>de.WV recently had some edits regarding a course about Artificial Intelligence from an university. Plans were to use Wikiversity as a web platform besides the real life lecture. Unfortunately there are no edits anymore :-) So there were 2 people contacted from the team to get more feedback. <dl><dd>edit: Fast reply by the responsible persons. They will join again next year with another course. See you then.</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Contacted also another responsible from another university who was active in April at de.WV</dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>the situation at de.WV in regards to universities is better now</li> <li>though that also paralyzed the open nature of de.WV :-(</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_November_2_-_throw_some_chocolate_into_the_German_Wikiversity_forum">2007 November 2 - throw some chocolate into the <a class="external text" href="https://de.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity%3ACafeteria&diff=66617&oldid=66573">German Wikiversity forum</a></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_November&veaction=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section: 2007 November 2 - throw some chocolate into the German Wikiversity forum" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_November&action=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 November 2 - throw some chocolate into the German Wikiversity forum"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>...and let's see what will happen :-) </p><p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>I guess they though I'm crazy ;-)</li> <li>as far as I remember was more positive than negative</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_November_1_-_how_to_revive_the_de:Wikiversity:Chat_?"><span id="2007_November_1_-_how_to_revive_the_de:Wikiversity:Chat_.3F"></span>2007 November 1 - how to revive the <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Chat">de:Wikiversity:Chat</a> ?</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_November&veaction=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section: 2007 November 1 - how to revive the de:Wikiversity:Chat ?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_November&action=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 November 1 - how to revive the de:Wikiversity:Chat ?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>how to revive the de.WV chat ?</b></li></ul> <dl><dd><a class="external text" href="https://de.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Diskussion%3AFachbereich_Informatik&diff=66449&oldid=66447">Today</a> I have included in my signature the link to the <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Chat">de:Wikiversity:Chat</a>. I hope with this to increase peoples attention to it and coordinating things might get easier then. We are not so many at the moment at de.WV. I hope people can ask directly then for assistance and get others to participate in things they normally just scroll by in the Recent changes list. This is the first step, let's see if it will work.</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><b>edit 2008-03-17</b>: changed my signature like this: <dl><dd>en.WV: --<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> <small>uses the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://java.freenode.net//index.php?channel=wikiversity-en">try</a>)</small></dd> <dd>de.WV: --<a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Benutzer:Erkan_Yilmaz" class="extiw" title="de:Benutzer:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> <small>benutzt den <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://java.freenode.net//index.php?channel=wikiversity-de">versuch's mal</a>)</small></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>I have written at many places at de.WV + en.WV over the time + I guess this form of marketing is not so effective :-)</li></ul> <p><b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2007 October</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_October_31_-_discussion_about_criteria_for_an_account_to_have_bot_flag_at_de.WV">2007 October 31 - discussion about criteria for an account to have bot flag at de.WV</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2007 October 31 - discussion about criteria for an account to have bot flag at de.WV" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 October 31 - discussion about criteria for an account to have bot flag at de.WV"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd>At the moment we are discussing <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity_Diskussion:Bots" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity Diskussion:Bots">here</a> about above topic. The bot operators were all invited to take part.</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_October_30_-_new_de.WV_chat_users">2007 October 30 - new de.WV chat users</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: 2007 October 30 - new de.WV chat users" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 October 30 - new de.WV chat users"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>two new faces in the de.WV chat</li></ul> <dl><dd>The de.WV chat #wikiversity-de is often only visited by the usual people. Today a new WV-member followed the invitation and we had a longer chat. This week also another user joined. Let's see if they stay around :-)</dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>de.WV chat never got much interaction, perhaps mentality of German?</li> <li>en.WV more frequent users, though since the "incidents" people left also here :-(</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_October_22_-_German_Wikiversity_has_voted_its_slogan">2007 October 22 - German Wikiversity has voted its slogan</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&veaction=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: 2007 October 22 - German Wikiversity has voted its slogan" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 October 22 - German Wikiversity has voted its slogan"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>winning slogan: <b>Lernen und Lehren</b> (english: learning and teaching)</li></ul> <dl><dd>The German Wikiversity has voted after over 6 months of discussion and votes its slogan. It is <b>Lernen und Lehren</b> (english: learning and teaching). More information available <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Slogan/Archiv#Endergebnis" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Slogan/Archiv">here</a></dd></dl> <ul class="gallery mw-gallery-traditional"> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Ergebnis_Slogan_Wahl_2007.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="final result"><img alt="final result" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Ergebnis_Slogan_Wahl_2007.jpg/120px-Ergebnis_Slogan_Wahl_2007.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="70" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Ergebnis_Slogan_Wahl_2007.jpg/180px-Ergebnis_Slogan_Wahl_2007.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Ergebnis_Slogan_Wahl_2007.jpg/240px-Ergebnis_Slogan_Wahl_2007.jpg 2x" data-file-width="862" data-file-height="504" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">final result</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:De.Wikiversity_Slogan_vote_2007_-_sum_of_edits_of_voters_-_final_round.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="for each voting possibility: sum of wikiversity edits of the voters"><img alt="for each voting possibility: sum of wikiversity edits of the voters" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/De.Wikiversity_Slogan_vote_2007_-_sum_of_edits_of_voters_-_final_round.jpg/120px-De.Wikiversity_Slogan_vote_2007_-_sum_of_edits_of_voters_-_final_round.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="65" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/De.Wikiversity_Slogan_vote_2007_-_sum_of_edits_of_voters_-_final_round.jpg/180px-De.Wikiversity_Slogan_vote_2007_-_sum_of_edits_of_voters_-_final_round.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/De.Wikiversity_Slogan_vote_2007_-_sum_of_edits_of_voters_-_final_round.jpg/240px-De.Wikiversity_Slogan_vote_2007_-_sum_of_edits_of_voters_-_final_round.jpg 2x" data-file-width="935" data-file-height="503" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">for each voting possibility: sum of wikiversity edits of the voters</div> </li> <li class="gallerybox" style="width: 155px"> <div class="thumb" style="width: 150px; height: 150px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:De.Wikiversity_Slogan_vote_2007_-_turnout_over_time_-_final_round.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="vote turnout over time in the final round"><img alt="vote turnout over time in the final round" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/De.Wikiversity_Slogan_vote_2007_-_turnout_over_time_-_final_round.jpg/120px-De.Wikiversity_Slogan_vote_2007_-_turnout_over_time_-_final_round.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="71" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/De.Wikiversity_Slogan_vote_2007_-_turnout_over_time_-_final_round.jpg/180px-De.Wikiversity_Slogan_vote_2007_-_turnout_over_time_-_final_round.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/De.Wikiversity_Slogan_vote_2007_-_turnout_over_time_-_final_round.jpg/240px-De.Wikiversity_Slogan_vote_2007_-_turnout_over_time_-_final_round.jpg 2x" data-file-width="835" data-file-height="492" /></a></span></div> <div class="gallerytext">vote turnout over time in the final round</div> </li> </ul> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>see <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AErkan_Yilmaz%2Fobservations%2F2007_September&action=historysubmit&diff=802979&oldid=802974">[28]</a></li> <li>and right now I think: slogans or so are fine, but actions of people show the real face of a wiki</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_October_17_-_el.Wikiversity:_Conditionally_approved">2007 October 17 - el.Wikiversity: Conditionally approved</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&veaction=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section: 2007 October 17 - el.Wikiversity: Conditionally approved" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&action=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 October 17 - el.Wikiversity: Conditionally approved"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>el.Wikiversity: <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages%2FWikiversity_Greek&diff=711490&oldid=702725">Conditionally approved</a></li></ul> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>I think it's great that since back then many more WVs were created</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/">beta Wikiversity</a> should get more attention <ul><li>somehow never people from individual/existing WVs got more activity there though they really could help + multiply the efforts by help <ul><li>also they would learn from this by the questions/problems others have</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_October_14_-_Wikimedian_Demographics_&_reactivating_users_again_&_helping_at_es.WV_&_use_your_vote"><span id="2007_October_14_-_Wikimedian_Demographics_.26_reactivating_users_again_.26_helping_at_es.WV_.26_use_your_vote"></span>2007 October 14 - <a href="/wiki/Wikimedian_Demographics" title="Wikimedian Demographics">Wikimedian Demographics</a> & reactivating users again & helping at es.WV & use your vote</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&veaction=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section: 2007 October 14 - Wikimedian Demographics & reactivating users again & helping at es.WV & use your vote" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&action=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 October 14 - Wikimedian Demographics & reactivating users again & helping at es.WV & use your vote"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikimedian_Demographics" title="Wikimedian Demographics">Wikimedian Demographics</a>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>I also set up the <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz/Survey_responses" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz/Survey responses">Survey responses</a> page. I am interested how this will evolve, since we are at the begin of this project. You have opinions ? State them at: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Wikimedian_Demographics" title="Talk:Wikimedian Demographics">Talk:Wikimedian Demographics</a></dd></dl> <ul><li>trying to activate not contributing users again:</li></ul> <dl><dd>My assumption is following: If users replied back on the welcome message this might show they are really willing to contribute to this project. But due to different (internal or external) reasons some stopped contributing. So, I scrolled through my talk page and wanted to check their contributions. Since there is established already from back then a connection here in this project there might be a chance to motivate them again to participate here.</dd> <dd>Unfortunately few of them have activated their emails, because I assume with email they could be reached faster. So a message on their talk pages was written. Let's see what the reaction will be. <dl><dd><i>edit 2007-10-17</i>: so far more replies by German Wikiversity users. They have also mainly email activated :-)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Helping at Spanish Wikiversity:</li></ul> <dl><dd>Actually it is not so hard to help other wikiversity projects - you just have to know the tools which can help you. I do not speak Spanish, but was asked by a user in IRC and could <a class="external text" href="https://es.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n%3AErkan_Yilmaz&diff=15201&oldid=14783">help him</a> in several cases - with using an online Spanish to English translation service.</dd></dl> <ul><li>use your vote for this feature: <a class="external text" href="https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707">Support global (crosswiki) blocking</a></li></ul> <p><br /> edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>I remember the times when I welcomed too many <ul><li>welcoming should be done by bots + if humans welcome then after reviewing edits + guiding perhaps like mentors</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_October_11_-_de.WB_+_chess"><span id="2007_October_11_-_de.WB_.2B_chess"></span>2007 October 11 - de.WB + chess</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&veaction=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section: 2007 October 11 - de.WB + chess" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&action=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 October 11 - de.WB + chess"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>Thanks to the German Wikibooks channel I have started playing chess again. Thanks for the nice games: T., S., h. To great games in the future.</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_October_6_-_intelligent_bots_&_import_work_from_other_wikimedia_projects_(which_gets_deleted)"><span id="2007_October_6_-_intelligent_bots_.26_import_work_from_other_wikimedia_projects_.28which_gets_deleted.29"></span>2007 October 6 - intelligent bots & import work from other wikimedia projects (which gets deleted)</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&veaction=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section: 2007 October 6 - intelligent bots & import work from other wikimedia projects (which gets deleted)" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&action=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 October 6 - intelligent bots & import work from other wikimedia projects (which gets deleted)"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>Perhaps someone can create or knows a bot which identifies <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3APeloponnesian_War&diff=162498276&oldid=148537949">such</a> comments as not appropriate in Wikipedia ? And then we would not need another edit by the SineBot at all.</li></ul> <ul><li>Normally when I see copy + paste of Wikipedia I write a comment to the author (see e.g. <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:What_Wikiversity_is_not" title="Wikiversity:What Wikiversity is not">Wikiversity:What Wikiversity is not</a>, section: "A duplication of other Wikimedia projects"). But today I have seen for the first time something different. <a href="/wiki/User:JWSchmidt" title="User:JWSchmidt">JWSchmidt</a> has "rescued" <a href="/wiki/Harvard_chart_method" title="Harvard chart method">this page</a> to Wikiversity. While chating with him I got to know this project: <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Wikimedia_Garbage_Detail" title="Wikiversity:Wikimedia Garbage Detail">Wikiversity:Wikimedia Garbage Detail</a> - great idea and probably one of the means to achieve the mission of Wikiversity.</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>edit 2013-12-11: <ul><li>unfortunately <a href="/wiki/Ice_cores" class="mw-redirect" title="Ice cores">this</a> page (<a href="/wiki/Talk:Ice_cores" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Ice cores">talk</a>) I was mentioning as an example <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://oracle.skilledtests.com/conversation/156766">from external</a> got deleted :-(</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>my perspective on deletion definitely changed over time <ul><li>see <a href="/wiki/Learning_from_conflict_and_incivility/Erkan_Yilmaz" title="Learning from conflict and incivility/Erkan Yilmaz">Learning from conflict and incivility/Erkan Yilmaz</a> for when I was the top deleter over all WVs</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_October_4_-_immediate_bot_fix">2007 October 4 - immediate bot fix</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&veaction=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section: 2007 October 4 - immediate bot fix" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&action=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 October 4 - immediate bot fix"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>I love the IRC wiki system: I tell someone a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AUnsigned&diff=168468&oldid=167498">problem</a> and 8 minutes later the problem gets <a class="external text" href="https://de.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Vorlage%3ANowCommons&diff=63497&oldid=62579">fixed</a>. Thanks again for all the help with the bot in the past (and for the future)</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_October_3_-_#wikiversity-it"><span id="2007_October_3_-_.23wikiversity-it"></span>2007 October 3 - #wikiversity-it</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&veaction=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section: 2007 October 3 - #wikiversity-it" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&action=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 October 3 - #wikiversity-it"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li>Today I had in #wikiversity-it for the first time a longer conversation - thanks for the nice chat.</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_October_1_-_try_the_good_old_lynx">2007 October 1 - try the good old lynx</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&veaction=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section: 2007 October 1 - try the good old lynx" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&action=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 October 1 - try the good old lynx"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>browser problems ? try it with the good old <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(web_browser)" class="extiw" title="w:Lynx (web browser)">lynx</a>:</b></li></ul> <dl><dd>We talked about which browser is good (for e.g. working with wiki). And I mentioned just as joke lynx and after trying: I must say <a class="external text" href="https://de.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity%3ASpielwiese&diff=62965&oldid=62586">it works</a>. But it is not so comfortable as a "normal" browser. :-)</dd></dl> <p><br /> edit 2011-10-12: </p> <ul><li>lynx not much used for wiki editing, though with the presence of mobiles nowadays GUI layout of wikis need to be rethought</li></ul> <p><b><span style="font-size:medium;font-weight:normal;color:black;background-color:transparent">observations from <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> for 2007 September</span></b> </p><p>You are invited to add your comments (<i>e.g. but my perception of this issue is different</i>) - please sign anything you add (howto <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Signature" title="Wikiversity:Signature">Wikiversity:Signature</a>). </p><p><br /> </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_September_30_-_one_year_anniversary_at_German_Wikiversity_&_magic_words"><span id="2007_September_30_-_one_year_anniversary_at_German_Wikiversity_.26_magic_words"></span>2007 September 30 - one year anniversary at German Wikiversity & magic words</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&veaction=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: 2007 September 30 - one year anniversary at German Wikiversity & magic words" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 September 30 - one year anniversary at German Wikiversity & magic words"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>one year anniversary at German Wikiversity</b></li></ul> <dl><dd>So, how to celebrate the 1 year anniversary at de.WV ? Of course with importing pages from en.Wikibooks to en.WV :-) btw: normally I love pictures, but in the process of importing not so much :-(</dd></dl> <ul><li><b>useful magic words</b></li></ul> <dl><dd><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words" class="extiw" title="meta:Help:Magic words">meta:Help:Magic words</a>, <a href="/wiki/Using_MediaWiki_Variables" title="Using MediaWiki Variables">Using MediaWiki Variables</a></dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>Happy Birthdays never worked in any WV <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Wikiversity_Day" title="Wikiversity:Wikiversity Day">Wikiversity:Wikiversity Day</a> <ul><li>most interaction the first time in <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Wikiversity_Day/2008" title="Wikiversity:Wikiversity Day/2008">Wikiversity:Wikiversity Day/2008</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_September_29_-_Wikimedia_Conference_Netherlands_2007">2007 September 29 - Wikimedia Conference Netherlands 2007</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&veaction=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section: 2007 September 29 - Wikimedia Conference Netherlands 2007" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&action=edit&section=T-2" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 September 29 - Wikimedia Conference Netherlands 2007"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>Wikimedia Conference Netherlands 2007</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>Did you see already the Wikimedia Conference Netherlands for 2007 with the topic: "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.wikimediaconferentie.nl/english/">Wiki’s en education</a>" ?</dd> <dd>Some presentations worth to see (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.wikimediaconferentie.nl/programma">here</a> is the complete list): <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.wikimediaconferentie.nl/?page_id=26">Wikiversity – learning the “wiki way”</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.wikimediaconferentie.nl/?page_id=27">Wikiversity – Wikimedia’s youngest project</a></li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_September_26_-_live_meeting_?"><span id="2007_September_26_-_live_meeting_.3F"></span>2007 September 26 - live meeting ?</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&veaction=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section: 2007 September 26 - live meeting ?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&action=edit&section=T-3" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 September 26 - live meeting ?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>live meeting</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>I have asked if some people from German Wikiversity want to <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Cafeteria#Wikiversity-Treffen" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Cafeteria">meet live</a> - let's see.</dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>did never work out</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_September_25_-_Wikiversity_screen_saver">2007 September 25 - Wikiversity screen saver</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&veaction=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section: 2007 September 25 - Wikiversity screen saver" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&action=edit&section=T-4" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 September 25 - Wikiversity screen saver"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikiversity_screen_saver" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikiversity screen saver">Wikiversity screen saver</a></b></li></ul> <dl><dd>Today was released the Wikiversity screen saver to the public (go to the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity_screen_saver" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikiversity screen saver">English</a> and <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Projekt:Wikiversity_Bildschirmschoner" class="extiw" title="de:Projekt:Wikiversity Bildschirmschoner">German</a> version). Progress is ongoing also for the <a href="https://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Erkan_Yilmaz/%C3%89conomiseur_d%27%C3%A9cran" class="extiw" title="fr:Utilisateur:Erkan Yilmaz/Économiseur d'écran">French</a> version. And especially for my favorite not yet existing channel: the <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages#Greek_Wikiversity" class="extiw" title="meta:Requests for new languages">Greek</a> one I would like to see this in use - I hope we can gather more awareness with this. I am also interested how this project will evolve over time. <dl><dd><i>edit 2007-09-25</i>: <ul><li>the French version <a href="https://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversit%C3%A9:%C3%89conomiseur_d%27%C3%A9cran" class="extiw" title="fr:Wikiversité:Économiseur d'écran">fr:Wikiversité:Économiseur d'écran</a> is nearly fully translated. Thank you <a href="https://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Crochet.david" class="extiw" title="fr:Utilisateur:Crochet.david">Crochet.david</a> and <a href="https://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Sharayanan" class="extiw" title="fr:Utilisateur:Sharayanan">Sharayanan</a>.</li> <li>also the versions for the <a href="https://es.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversidad:Claustro_Wikiversitario#Wikiversidad:_protector_de_pantalla" class="extiw" title="es:Wikiversidad:Claustro Wikiversitario">Spanish</a> and the <a href="https://it.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversit%C3%A0:Bar#Wikiversit.C3.A0:_salva_schermo" class="extiw" title="it:Wikiversità:Bar">Italian</a> Wikiversity are finished. Still in need for translation for the Wikiversity page though. If you know someone able to translate, tell her please.</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><i>edit 2007-09-29</i>:</dd> <dd>The Spanish version <a href="https://es.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversidad:Protector_de_pantalla" class="extiw" title="es:Wikiversidad:Protector de pantalla">es:Wikiversidad:Protector de pantalla</a> is now translated. Gracias to <a href="https://es.wikiversity.org/wiki/Usuario:El_Racionalista_Prenihilista" class="extiw" title="es:Usuario:El Racionalista Prenihilista">Johann</a> and <a href="https://es.wikiversity.org/wiki/Usuario:Lupus" class="extiw" title="es:Usuario:Lupus">Lupus</a>.</dd> <dd>Thanks to <a class="external text" href="https://it.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversit%C3%A0%3ABar&diff=20738&oldid=20681">Fede Reghe</a> and <a href="https://it.wikiversity.org/wiki/Utente:Senpai" class="extiw" title="it:Utente:Senpai">Senpai</a> the Italian version is translated: <a href="https://it.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversit%C3%A0:Salvaschermo" class="extiw" title="it:Wikiversità:Salvaschermo">it:Wikiversità:Salvaschermo</a>.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><i>edit 2007-oct-03</i>:</dd> <dd>All wikiversities have now version 0.04 of the screen saver.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>the outcome was not much, probably <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity_the_Movie" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikiversity the Movie">Wikiversity the Movie</a> could be better?</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_September_23_-_inter_wiki_cooperation_&_collaborative_testing_and_fixing"><span id="2007_September_23_-_inter_wiki_cooperation_.26_collaborative_testing_and_fixing"></span>2007 September 23 - inter wiki cooperation & collaborative testing and fixing</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&veaction=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section: 2007 September 23 - inter wiki cooperation & collaborative testing and fixing" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&action=edit&section=T-5" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 September 23 - inter wiki cooperation & collaborative testing and fixing"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>nice inter wiki cooperation - fighting v.nd.l.sm</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>alarmed by a de.WB user me - a mainly more WV active user - searched for someone to block this v.nd.l because no de.Wb admin online. With the help of en.WV admins the stewards were located and a french steward blocked the vandal - thank you all</dd></dl> <ul><li><b>collaborative testing and fixing</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>how could one approach of collaborative testing and fixing look like on Wikiversity ? see <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/September_2007#Color_Problems" title="Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/September 2007">here</a>. Thanks again to <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_Elliott" title="User:Robert Elliott">Robert Elliott</a> for informing us about this anomaly.</dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21 </p> <ul><li>Robert <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARobert_Elliott&action=historysubmit&diff=803001&oldid=791615">still missing</a>?</li> <li>I think I had in the specific de.WB action more ulterior motives, which I also felt back then, not in terms of getting a position there, but it felt ulterior</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_September_17_-_German_Wikiversity_Slogan">2007 September 17 - German Wikiversity Slogan</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&veaction=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section: 2007 September 17 - German Wikiversity Slogan" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&action=edit&section=T-6" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 September 17 - German Wikiversity Slogan"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b><a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Slogan" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Slogan">German Wikiversity Slogan</a></b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>Voters are now <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Cafeteria#Slogan-Wahl:_Minimum-Anforderung_f.C3.BCr_die_Endrunde_.284.Runde.29" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Cafeteria">required</a> for the 4th and final round (21.09.2007 to 21.10.2007) to have an account at German WV and at least 51 useful edits. Happy voting <dl><dd><i>edit 2007-09-19</i>: <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MF-Warburg" class="extiw" title="meta:User:MF-Warburg">MF-Warburg</a> was again helpful (see also 2007-09-13): he provided a tool to check if users are eligible to vote, more info <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Cafeteria#Sloganwahl" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Cafeteria">here</a></dd> <dd><i>edit 2007-09-21</i>: last round of the voting has begun - my vote goes to "lernen und lehren" (learning and teaching) - my favorites over time can be seen <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#2007_September_10_-_my_image_of_Wikiversity">here</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>was a nice time back then, good interactions</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_September_16_-_reactions_on_reponse_time_pics_&_each_IRC_channel_has_its_own_"thing""><span id="2007_September_16_-_reactions_on_reponse_time_pics_.26_each_IRC_channel_has_its_own_.22thing.22"></span>2007 September 16 - reactions on reponse time pics & each IRC channel has its own "thing"</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&veaction=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section: 2007 September 16 - reactions on reponse time pics & each IRC channel has its own "thing"" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&action=edit&section=T-7" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 September 16 - reactions on reponse time pics & each IRC channel has its own "thing""><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>reactions on reponse time pics</b></li></ul> <dl><dd>About the response times (which I posted yesterday) I got already responses in the French, German and English (here so far only in #wikiversity-en) Wikiversities. Merci <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Discussion_Utilisateur%3ASharayanan&diff=87633&oldid=87576">Sharayanan</a> for translating it into French.</dd> <dd>And as asked, I will repeat this data collection again.</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><i>edit 2007-09-17</i>: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity%3AColloquium&diff=160800&oldid=160789">feedback</a></dd> <dd><i>edit 2007-09-22</i>: the <a class="external text" href="https://es.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversidad%3AClaustro_Wikiversitario&diff=14193&oldid=14187">text</a> in the Spanish Wikiversity is also translated now - gracias to <a href="https://es.wikiversity.org/wiki/Usuario:El_Racionalista_Prenihilista" class="extiw" title="es:Usuario:El Racionalista Prenihilista">Johann</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b>each IRC channel has its own "thing"</b></li></ul> <dl><dd>If you stay long enough in one Wikiversity channel you will realize each channel has its own habbits (what they tell or do when they have some spare time or to greet new entering members,...). This helps that the team relations get stronger. Find out yourself for each channel what it is, I won't tell, even if you torture me :-)</dd></dl> <dl><dd>A team<sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-11"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> is: <dl><dd><ul><li>a social unit with 3 or more persons,</li> <li>whose members are recognized from the outside as such members and they see themselves as members (identity)</li> <li>they are integrated in an organization (context)</li> <li>and they perform together tasks through direct collaboration/team work.</li></ul></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-11"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><a href="#cite_ref-11">↑</a></span> <span class="reference-text">Högl, M. (1998): Teamarbeit in innovativen Projekten : Einflußgrößen und Wirkungen. Gabler, Deutscher Universitäts Verlag, Wiesbaden. page 10</span> </li> </ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_September_15_-_difference_between_Wikibooks_and_Wikiversity_?_-_service_quality_in_the_Wikiversity_forums_?"><span id="2007_September_15_-_difference_between_Wikibooks_and_Wikiversity_.3F_-_service_quality_in_the_Wikiversity_forums_.3F"></span>2007 September 15 - difference between Wikibooks and Wikiversity ? - service quality in the Wikiversity forums ?</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&veaction=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section: 2007 September 15 - difference between Wikibooks and Wikiversity ? - service quality in the Wikiversity forums ?" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&action=edit&section=T-8" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 September 15 - difference between Wikibooks and Wikiversity ? - service quality in the Wikiversity forums ?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>What is the difference between Wikibooks and Wikiversity ?</b></li></ul> <dl><dd>Today <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Hauptseite" class="extiw" title="de:Hauptseite">German Wikiversity</a> received again <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Cafeteria/Archiv/2007/09#Warum.3F" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Cafeteria/Archiv/2007/09">feedback in how WV differentiates from WikiBooks</a>. This is not a single case, where people not involved in WV don't see the difference to WikiBooks (e.g. <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Cafeteria/Archiv/2007/08#Abgrenzungskriterien_zu_Wikibooks" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Cafeteria/Archiv/2007/08">10. Aug. 2007</a>). Not to mention how many people even do not give feedback about this problem and just think it. I hope also that after the ongoing <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Slogan" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Slogan">German WV slogan voting</a>, it will become clearer. Since the slogan voting participation is not so much as hoped, I guess this process will also come the more people join German WV.</dd></dl> <ul><li><b>Can we tell something about the service quality in the Wikiversity forums ?</b></li></ul> <dl><dd>I was interested in how fast people get a response (I mean response, not a 100% fully satisfying answer) in the forums of each WV.</dd> <dd>The decision was made for this heuristic to gather fast + easy data over all wikiversities.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>used method:</dd> <dd>from each WV forum there was determined when a user posted (e.g. can be a question, announcement, ...), this user type is called from now on asker. And then there was calculated the time how fast this asker got a response - persons answering are called repliers.</dd> <dd>collection time: about 1,5 months (1st August 2007, 11:14 (UTC) - 15 September 2007, 14:51 (UTC))</dd></dl> <dl><dd>considerations: <ul><li>Besides the user (talk) pages or the different school/topic/class pages and their talk pages the forum is regarded as the central point of each Wikiversity.</li> <li>It is not considered if the quality of the response is good or not or how fast later on it is answered again. So far of interest is only the first contact (response). Reason: normally in the beginning askers' expectations are stamped.</li> <li>Of course due to different countries there may be different things to consider: e.g. different vacation times, ...</li> <li>Also depending on the time of the edit (e.g. writing after midnight and then asker would get a response the next morning perhaps)</li> <li>and more</li></ul></dd></dl> <dl><dd>Therefore again: it was decided for this heuristic to gather fast + easy data over all wikiversities. It is sure that there is missing info about the context - so inferring things from the pictures is not useful without knowing the context. And I bet few of us have the insight to all the info needed.</dd></dl> <dl><dd><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_English_Wikiversity_forum_(7_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007).jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="How fast does a user get a response in the English Wikiversity forum (7 Aug. 2007 - 15 Sep. 2007)"><img alt="How fast does a user get a response in the English Wikiversity forum (7 Aug. 2007 - 15 Sep. 2007)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_English_Wikiversity_forum_%287_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg/300px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_English_Wikiversity_forum_%287_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="300" height="212" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_English_Wikiversity_forum_%287_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg/450px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_English_Wikiversity_forum_%287_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_English_Wikiversity_forum_%287_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg/600px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_English_Wikiversity_forum_%287_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="796" data-file-height="562" /></a><figcaption>How fast does a user get a response in the English Wikiversity forum (7 Aug. 2007 - 15 Sep. 2007)</figcaption></figure></dd> <dd><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_different_Wikiversity_forums_collection_time_is_(1st_August_2007_to_-_15_September_2007).jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="How fast does a user get a response in the different Wikiversity forums collection time is (1st August 2007 to - 15 September 2007)"><img alt="How fast does a user get a response in the different Wikiversity forums collection time is (1st August 2007 to - 15 September 2007)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_different_Wikiversity_forums_collection_time_is_%281st_August_2007_to_-_15_September_2007%29.jpg/300px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_different_Wikiversity_forums_collection_time_is_%281st_August_2007_to_-_15_September_2007%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="300" height="167" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_different_Wikiversity_forums_collection_time_is_%281st_August_2007_to_-_15_September_2007%29.jpg/450px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_different_Wikiversity_forums_collection_time_is_%281st_August_2007_to_-_15_September_2007%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_different_Wikiversity_forums_collection_time_is_%281st_August_2007_to_-_15_September_2007%29.jpg/600px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_different_Wikiversity_forums_collection_time_is_%281st_August_2007_to_-_15_September_2007%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1014" data-file-height="564" /></a><figcaption>How fast does a user get a response in the different Wikiversity forums collection time is (1st August 2007 to - 15 September 2007)</figcaption></figure></dd></dl> <table class="prettytable"> <tbody><tr> <th> </th> <th>en </th> <th>de </th> <th>it </th> <th>fr </th> <th>es </th></tr> <tr> <td>picture for each Wikiversity </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_English_Wikiversity_forum_(7_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007).jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="click here for en.WV"><img alt="click here for en.WV" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_English_Wikiversity_forum_%287_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg/70px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_English_Wikiversity_forum_%287_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="70" height="49" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_English_Wikiversity_forum_%287_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg/105px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_English_Wikiversity_forum_%287_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg 1.5x, 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srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_German_Wikiversity_forum_%281_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg/105px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_German_Wikiversity_forum_%281_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_German_Wikiversity_forum_%281_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg/140px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_German_Wikiversity_forum_%281_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="790" data-file-height="589" /></a></span> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_Italian_Wikiversity_forum_(6th_Aug._2007_-_11th_Sep._2007).jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="click here for it.WV"><img alt="click here for it.WV" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_Italian_Wikiversity_forum_%286th_Aug._2007_-_11th_Sep._2007%29.jpg/70px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_Italian_Wikiversity_forum_%286th_Aug._2007_-_11th_Sep._2007%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="70" height="53" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_Italian_Wikiversity_forum_%286th_Aug._2007_-_11th_Sep._2007%29.jpg/105px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_Italian_Wikiversity_forum_%286th_Aug._2007_-_11th_Sep._2007%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_Italian_Wikiversity_forum_%286th_Aug._2007_-_11th_Sep._2007%29.jpg/140px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_Italian_Wikiversity_forum_%286th_Aug._2007_-_11th_Sep._2007%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="772" data-file-height="584" /></a></span> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_French_Wikiversity_forum_(1_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007).jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="click here for fr.WV"><img alt="click here for fr.WV" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_French_Wikiversity_forum_%281_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg/70px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_French_Wikiversity_forum_%281_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="70" height="51" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_French_Wikiversity_forum_%281_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg/105px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_French_Wikiversity_forum_%281_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg 1.5x, 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srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_Spanish_Wikiversity_forum_%2810_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg/105px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_Spanish_Wikiversity_forum_%2810_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_Spanish_Wikiversity_forum_%2810_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg/140px-How_fast_does_a_user_get_a_response_in_the_Spanish_Wikiversity_forum_%2810_Aug._2007_-_15_Sep._2007%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="818" data-file-height="600" /></a></span> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Amount of asker posts </td> <td>19 </td> <td>37 </td> <td>6 </td> <td>27 </td> <td>19 </td></tr> <tr> <td>Min. response time (in minutes)<br />after asker posted </td> <td>11 </td> <td>5 </td> <td>3 </td> <td>2 </td> <td>66 </td></tr> <tr> <td>How many different<br />askers were there ? </td> <td>15 </td> <td>18 </td> <td>5 </td> <td>14 </td> <td>15 </td></tr> <tr> <td>First considered asker post (UTC) </td> <td>02:18, 7 Aug. 2007 </td> <td>13:34, 1 Aug. 2007 </td> <td>17:50, 6 Aug. 2007 </td> <td>11:14, 1 Aug. 2007 </td> <td>17:12, 10 Aug. 2007 </td></tr> <tr> <td>Last considered asker post (UTC) </td> <td>14:51, 15 Sep. 2007 </td> <td>14:10, 15 Sep. 2007 </td> <td>20:19, 11 Sep. 2007 </td> <td>10:37, 15 Sep. 2007 </td> <td>14:07, 15 Sep. 2007 </td></tr> <tr> <td>forum link </td> <td><a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium" title="Wikiversity:Colloquium">Colloquium</a> </td> <td><a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Cafeteria" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Cafeteria">Cafeteria</a> </td> <td><a href="https://it.wikiversity.org/wiki/Bar_di_Wikiversit%C3%A0" class="extiw" title="it:Bar di Wikiversità">Bar di Wikiversità</a> </td> <td><a href="https://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversit%C3%A9:La_salle_caf%C3%A9" class="extiw" title="fr:Wikiversité:La salle café">La salle café</a> </td> <td><a href="https://es.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversidad:Claustro_Wikiversitario" class="extiw" title="es:Wikiversidad:Claustro Wikiversitario">Claustro Wikiversitario</a> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br style="clear:both;" /> edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>thankfully difference discussions abouts WB + WV are over :-)</li> <li>service quality: well, WV has less contributors than e.g. WP, any help is nice (which does not make others leave) <ul><li>I remember from back then some reservation against this service quality, thinking perhaps not starting it would have been better</li> <li>showed some signs of snobism by me?</li></ul></li></ul> <p><br /><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_September_13_-_importing_&_contacting_users_again_&_#wikiversity-el_bot_unilinky"><span id="2007_September_13_-_importing_.26_contacting_users_again_.26_.23wikiversity-el_bot_unilinky"></span>2007 September 13 - importing & contacting users again & #wikiversity-el bot unilinky</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&veaction=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section: 2007 September 13 - importing & contacting users again & #wikiversity-el bot unilinky" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&action=edit&section=T-9" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 September 13 - importing & contacting users again & #wikiversity-el bot unilinky"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>Import of pages</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>I imported old Wikiversity pages from Wikibooks to here. This can end in much work, depending on the content (content check, link check, import files,...). I really hug from now on everybody who imports pages and not to forget the people importing in the past. BTW: the imported things were: <a href="/wiki/School:Very_Small_Information_Systems" class="mw-redirect" title="School:Very Small Information Systems">School:Very Small Information Systems</a>, <a href="/wiki/The_Great_War_and_Versailles" title="The Great War and Versailles">The Great War and Versailles‎</a>, <a href="/wiki/School:Military_Studies" class="mw-redirect" title="School:Military Studies">School:Military Studies</a>.</dd></dl> <ul><li><b>Contacting users again in the hope they come back</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>Before deleting any pages it can be valuable to write the authors again. If you see there is no contribution since long time, write also an email. As you can see 2 out of 3 users reacted and one person is hopefully continuing participation in Wikiversity. Examples: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJorge&diff=158478&oldid=115345">[29]</a>, <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A203.211.102.12&diff=158482&oldid=158404">[30]</a>.</dd></dl> <ul><li><b>#wikiversity-el got its own bot unilinky</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>Today #wikiversity-el got its own bot unilinky (thx to <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MF-Warburg" class="extiw" title="meta:User:MF-Warburg">MF-Warburg</a>). Well, slowly this new IRC channel comes close to the features of the other WV channels. Also we had a new record: 6 persons were in the channel.</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_September_12_-_IRC_cloak_&_Greek_Wikiversity"><span id="2007_September_12_-_IRC_cloak_.26_Greek_Wikiversity"></span>2007 September 12 - IRC cloak & Greek Wikiversity</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&veaction=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section: 2007 September 12 - IRC cloak & Greek Wikiversity" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&action=edit&section=T-10" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 September 12 - IRC cloak & Greek Wikiversity"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>IRC cloak</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>I am recommending everybody I met so far to get an <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_cloaks" class="extiw" title="meta:IRC cloaks">IRC cloak</a>. I got mine in 2 days. If you don't have one, get one.</dd></dl> <ul><li><b>Greek Wikiversity</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>had just a nice long chat in the Greek WV channel. Topics: the new pic of the el.WV (momentary draft7 <a href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Image:Arxikh_draft7.jpg" class="extiw" title="betawikiversity:Image:Arxikh draft7.jpg">here</a>). And longer chat about WV in general in comparison to normal research journals where article get published (OR NOT :-)). And about human greed.</li> <li>While testing something with a Greek Wikiversity friend I set up <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/el:%CE%A7%CF%81%CE%AE%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82:Erkan_Yilmaz" class="extiw" title="w:el:Χρήστης:Erkan Yilmaz">my Greek Wikipedia account</a>. And of course I got a very fast <a class="external text" href="https://el.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%CE%A3%CF%85%CE%B6%CE%AE%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%B7_%CF%87%CF%81%CE%AE%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7%3AErkan_Yilmaz&diff=676024&oldid=676016">welcome message</a> :-)</li> <li>Greek Wikiversity proposal has also now <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Wikiversity_Greek&diff=prev&oldid=672245">my vote</a>.</li></ul></dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>cloak is not that important anymore <ul><li>people can see my IP, I can also tell 'em if they want</li></ul></li> <li>I recommend helping in other WVs <ul><li>it helps to get a broaden vision</li> <li>learning by teaching</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_September_11_-_Uighur_Wikipedia_+_administrator_voting"><span id="2007_September_11_-_Uighur_Wikipedia_.2B_administrator_voting"></span>2007 September 11 - Uighur Wikipedia + administrator voting</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&veaction=edit&section=T-11" title="Edit section: 2007 September 11 - Uighur Wikipedia + administrator voting" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&action=edit&section=T-11" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 September 11 - Uighur Wikipedia + administrator voting"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>Uighur Wikipedia + administrator voting</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>I was <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Erkan_Yilmaz#Support_needed" class="extiw" title="w:User talk:Erkan Yilmaz">asked</a> to vote for the candidates for administrator at the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ug:Bash_Bet" class="extiw" title="w:ug:Bash Bet">Uighur Wikipedia</a>. I have added <a class="external text" href="https://ug.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators&diff=23593&oldid=23540">some comments</a> to all 3 candidates and also <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ug:Wikipedia_talk:Administrators" class="extiw" title="w:ug:Wikipedia talk:Administrators">requested</a> some mentorship and minimum requirements for the new admin. They have so far no admin at all :-(</dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>I think I had 1 to 3 more encounters in that category <ul><li>mostly it was about fighting, what do those guys think now after 3 years?</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_September_10_-_my_image_of_Wikiversity">2007 September 10 - my image of Wikiversity</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&veaction=edit&section=T-12" title="Edit section: 2007 September 10 - my image of Wikiversity" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&action=edit&section=T-12" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 September 10 - my image of Wikiversity"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>my image of Wikiversity</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>At the moment the German Wikiversity is searching for a <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Slogan" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Slogan">slogan</a>. I wanted to list what my favorites were so far over time (please remember that some of them could not continue for the next round, when there were not enough votes). But I hope this gives an overview of what I think of Wikiversity. Also I am curious what I will think when rereading this in the future. You know, with every day you get new emotions, ideas, ...</dd></dl> <p>preferred slogans over time: </p> <dl><dd><table class="prettytable"> <tbody><tr> <th>date </th> <th>German </th> <th>English </th></tr> <tr> <td>May 18th, 2007 </td> <td>lernen, handeln, lehren </td> <td>learning, acting, teaching </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td>Es gibt noch viel zu lernen! </td> <td>There is still much to learn! </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td>Wikiversity die freie Lernplattform<br /><i>(nach Wikipedia Die freie Enzyklopädie)</i> </td> <td>Wikiversity the free platform for learning </td></tr> <tr> <td>Aug. 2nd, 2007 </td> <td>lebenslang? ja, lernen! </td> <td>lifelong? yes, learning! </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td><b>Was willst du wissen?</b> </td> <td><b>What do you want to know?</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td>Sometimes questions are more important than answers </td> <td>Sometimes questions are more important than answers </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td>Gemeinsam Wissen schaffen </td> <td>creating knowledge together </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td>Man kann einen Menschen nichts lehren,<br />man kann ihm nur helfen, es in sich selbst zu entdecken. </td> <td>You can not teach a human,<br />you can only help him, to find it in himself. </td></tr> <tr> <td>Aug. 15th, 2007 </td> <td><b>Was willst du wissen?</b> </td> <td><b>What do you want to know?</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td>Lehren und Lernen (bzw. <b>Lernen und Lehren</b>) </td> <td>teaching and learning (or <b>learning and teaching</b>) </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td>Wikiversity - Gemeinsam Lernen, Lehren, Forschen </td> <td>Wikiversity - together learning, teaching, exploring </td></tr> <tr> <td>Sept. 10th, 2007 </td> <td><b>Lernen und Lehren</b> </td> <td><b>learning and teaching</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td>Bildung für alle </td> <td>education for everybody </td></tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td><b>Was willst du wissen?</b> </td> <td><b>What do you want to know?</b> </td></tr></tbody></table></dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-10-21: </p> <ul><li>strangely reading none of them gave the thrill from back then</li> <li>I guess I'd focus on a term which focusses more on the individual learning part <ul><li>because even for brick + mortar learning this is important</li></ul></li> <li>thought later was <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_October&curid=42924&diff=803034&oldid=803032">this</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_September_08_-_nice_chats">2007 September 08 - nice chats</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&veaction=edit&section=T-13" title="Edit section: 2007 September 08 - nice chats" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&action=edit&section=T-13" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 September 08 - nice chats"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>nice start of day</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>I got warm welcomes this morning in #wikiversity-fr, #wikiversity-el and #wikiversity-it - that is a great way to start the day. Well, since I only know a few sentences in Greek and less in Italian, this limits it to English in these channels. But in the French channel I have the opportunity to increase my French skills again. <b>Merci a #wikiversity-fr</b> !</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_September_07_-_audio_conference_&_Where_would_you_like_to_see_Wikiversity_in_6_months?_&_#wikiversity-el_&_#wikiversity-fr"><span id="2007_September_07_-_audio_conference_.26_Where_would_you_like_to_see_Wikiversity_in_6_months.3F_.26_.23wikiversity-el_.26_.23wikiversity-fr"></span>2007 September 07 - audio conference & Where would you like to see Wikiversity in 6 months? & #wikiversity-el & #wikiversity-fr</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&veaction=edit&section=T-14" title="Edit section: 2007 September 07 - audio conference & Where would you like to see Wikiversity in 6 months? & #wikiversity-el & #wikiversity-fr" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&action=edit&section=T-14" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 September 07 - audio conference & Where would you like to see Wikiversity in 6 months? & #wikiversity-el & #wikiversity-fr"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>audio conference</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>Today I met two other custodians in an audio conference. I knew already one of the attendees voice from the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S7WVR5LiT0">Wiki editing tutorial</a> on youtube.</dd> <dd>But it makes much more fun, when you also get responses :-) The IAX client software MozPhone is another tool which lets you catch much better the atmosphere of Wikiversity.</dd> <dd>Feedback about used technology: I had no technical setup problems with <a href="/wiki/Wiki_Campus_Radio/Documentation#IAX_client_software" title="Wiki Campus Radio/Documentation">MozPhone</a>. Also the audio quality seemed fine for me. Though for one participant there was a round trip delay.</dd></dl> <ul><li>I was asked "<b>Where would you like to see Wikiversity in 6 months?</b>":</li></ul> <dl><dd>(12:11:37)<Erkan_Yilmaz>fast answer without thinking much: somewhere without v.nd.ls</dd> <dd>(12:11:44)<Erkan_Yilmaz>longer thinking will come now</dd> <dd>(12:11:49)<Erkan_Yilmaz>what do you think btw ? <i>(note: I did not omit the answer, the person was just not available)</i></dd> <dd>...</dd> <dd>(12:13:29)<Erkan_Yilmaz>only with word-of-mouth recommendation Wikiversity will grow</dd> <dd>(12:13:46)<Erkan_Yilmaz>so one way could be: using the forces with 100% to these <a href="/wiki/Supporting_Wikiversity_participants#Multiple_tracks" class="mw-redirect" title="Supporting Wikiversity participants">target groups</a> (teachers and their classes) could help WV</dd> <dd>(12:14:15)<Erkan_Yilmaz>so the answer would be: I would like to see more WV activities with mentoring teachers and their students. Everyone can do this actually, but we custodians - due to our experiences - have a great advantage, we can guide people better.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Addition later: of course there are other projects which are not generated from "old-style" school/universities like <a href="/wiki/Bloom_Clock" title="Bloom Clock">Bloom Clock</a>. In general we should help everyone, but we are only few and the day just has 24 hours. To use an analogy: flowers need to be cared for intensively, so they will shine and attract the bees :-) And while scanning Wikiversity in daily routine we can filter the flowers which need attention.</dd></dl> <ul><li><b>The birth of a new Wikiversity channel - #wikiversity-el</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>Today you missed the birth of the new Greek Wikiversity channel: #wikiversity-el</dd> <dd>There is also a <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikiversity_Greek" class="extiw" title="meta:Requests for new languages/Wikiversity Greek">proposal</a> ongoing to create a Wikiversity in Greek language. Until then you can have a peak here for the <a href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/K%CF%8D%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%B1_%CE%A3%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B4%CE%B1" class="extiw" title="betawikiversity:Kύρια Σελίδα">Greek Wikiversity main page</a>.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>In case you wonder how long it takes to set up an IRC Wikiversity channel: it is 1,5 minutes :-) <dl><dd>at #wikiversity</dd> <dd>(17:15:09)<person1>alternatively I wonder how we could create an el channel</dd> <dd>(17:16:11)<Erkan_Yilmaz>you just type in: /j #wikiversity-el</dd> <dd>(17:16:13)<person2>not so difficult I think</dd> <dd>(17:16:25)<person2>but I have no experiance with this</dd> <dd>(17:16:30)<person1>maybe that's worth it... let me see.</dd> <dd>(17:17:41)<person1>so, person3, did you get that? join the #wikiversity-el channel.</dd> <dd>(17:18:39)<person3>ok</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>at #wikiversity-el</dd> <dd>(17:16:39)- You are now in #wikiversity-el</dd> <dd>(17:16:40)- person1 joined</dd> <dd>(17:16:44)<Erkan_Yilmaz>hello</dd> <dd>(17:16:47)<person2>Geia sas</dd> <dd>(17:16:51)<Erkan_Yilmaz>oh no :-)</dd> <dd>(17:17:08)<person1>Γεια, και τώρα περιμένουμε τον τρίτο...  :-)</dd> <dd>(17:17:08)<Erkan_Yilmaz>I will just stay as observer here - see you</dd> <dd>(17:17:16)- person2 has set the topic: The greek IRC channel</dd> <dd>(17:17:56)- person3 joined</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b>the friendly #wikiversity-fr people</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>I must say the French are very nice people. Though they did not know me, they welcomed me friendly.</dd> <dd>And since my French language skills are not as good as my English, they did not mind to talk in English.</dd> <dd>Merci Sharayanan, ZeqL, Karl1263, dcrochet</dd></dl> <p>edit 2011-20-21: </p> <ul><li>strangely I use audio less lately</li> <li>el.WV chat very empty</li> <li>still true: fr.WV people friendly, but also other WV people :-)</li> <li>see also <a class="external text" href="https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Brick_and_mortar_collaboration">Brick and mortar collaboration</a> at beta</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_September_06_-_IRC_part2">2007 September 06 - IRC part2</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&veaction=edit&section=T-15" title="Edit section: 2007 September 06 - IRC part2" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&action=edit&section=T-15" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 September 06 - IRC part2"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>IRC is great</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>I like IRC, doesn't matter when you come online, always somebody around. This makes all wiki projects much more vivid. I thought I knew WV, but with IRC you get much more to know - how things REALLY work. As <a href="/wiki/User:JWSchmidt" title="User:JWSchmidt">JWSchmidt</a> said, people new to WV should use IRC more. One goal is now to get peoples attention to it.</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="2007_September_03_-_IRC_&_en.WV"><span id="2007_September_03_-_IRC_.26_en.WV"></span>2007 September 03 - IRC & en.WV</h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&veaction=edit&section=T-16" title="Edit section: 2007 September 03 - IRC & en.WV" class="mw-editsection-visualeditor"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-divider"> | </span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations/2007_September&action=edit&section=T-16" title="Edit section's source code: 2007 September 03 - IRC & en.WV"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><b>use IRC as much as you can</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>I am using <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">IRC</a> as communication medium very often when communicating with Wikiversity participants (e.g. with <a href="/wiki/User:JWSchmidt" title="User:JWSchmidt">JWSchmidt</a> - my <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:List_of_custodian_mentors" title="Wikiversity:List of custodian mentors">custodian mentor</a>). I think without this, it would be harder to get to know e.g. the atmosphere of English Wikiversity. Though :I am already <a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Pedelle" class="extiw" title="de:Wikiversity:Pedelle">custodian at German Wikiversity</a>, there are great differences in both WVs.</dd></dl> <ul><li><b>about different timezones</b>:</li></ul> <dl><dd>I have also noticed, that the different <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Support_staff" title="Wikiversity:Support staff">timezones of the custodians</a> can be also an advantage. While some custodians get their earned sleep, the others are able to continue (helping new members, ...). :So we can offer nearly a 24h service. Remember we all do this because we believe in the wiki system - not for money.</dd></dl> <ul><li>There is definitely <b>more happening in English WV</b> (e.g. see some statistics until today - 2007 September 3rd):</li></ul> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Statistics_about_some_Wikiversities_2007_September_3rd.jpg" class="mw-file-description" title="Statistics about some Wikiversities (date: 2007 September 3rd)"><img alt="Statistics about some Wikiversities (date: 2007 September 3rd)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Statistics_about_some_Wikiversities_2007_September_3rd.jpg/300px-Statistics_about_some_Wikiversities_2007_September_3rd.jpg" decoding="async" width="300" height="201" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Statistics_about_some_Wikiversities_2007_September_3rd.jpg/450px-Statistics_about_some_Wikiversities_2007_September_3rd.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Statistics_about_some_Wikiversities_2007_September_3rd.jpg/600px-Statistics_about_some_Wikiversities_2007_September_3rd.jpg 2x" data-file-width="946" data-file-height="635" /></a><figcaption>Statistics about some Wikiversities (date: 2007 September 3rd)</figcaption></figure> <table class="prettytable"> <tbody><tr> <th>Wikiversity </th> <th>users </th> <th>pages </th> <th>articles </th> <th>files </th> <th>custodians </th> <th>UTC time of data collection<br />(date: 2007 September 3rd) </th></tr> <tr> <td>English </td> <td>13252 </td> <td>37713 </td> <td>4707 </td> <td>3012 </td> <td>22 </td> <td>11:26 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="https://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Accueil" class="extiw" title="fr:Accueil">French</a> </td> <td>1208 </td> <td>8480 </td> <td>2529 </td> <td>4 </td> <td>12 </td> <td>11:24 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Hauptseite" class="extiw" title="de:Hauptseite">German</a> </td> <td>1647 </td> <td>5462 </td> <td>455 </td> <td>303 </td> <td>8 </td> <td>13:27 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="https://es.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portada" class="extiw" title="es:Portada">Spanish</a> </td> <td>2119 </td> <td>2066 </td> <td>454 </td> <td>2 </td> <td>9 </td> <td>11:22 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="https://it.wikiversity.org/wiki/Pagina_principale" class="extiw" title="it:Pagina principale">Italian</a> </td> <td>350 </td> <td>3379 </td> <td>215 </td> <td>27 </td> <td>7 </td> <td>13:25 </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>edit 2011-10-21:<br /> after 3 years... </p> <ul><li>still valid that people should use chats</li> <li>differences between de.WV + en.WV (more open)</li></ul>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations&oldid=1879373">https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations&oldid=1879373</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Special:Categories" title="Special:Categories">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Erkan_Yilmaz_Blog" title="Category:Erkan Yilmaz Blog">Erkan Yilmaz Blog</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Blog_posts_by_Erkan_Yilmaz" title="Category:Blog posts by Erkan Yilmaz">Blog posts by Erkan Yilmaz</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 2 June 2018, at 15:13.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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