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Voting is now ended.<br/><i><b>The results are 687 (support) /213 (oppose) /43 (neutral)</b></i></div> <dl><dd><dl><dd><i>The old Main Page design is still available and updated at this page:</i></dd> <dd><i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Main_Page_alternative_(Classic_2006)" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Main Page alternative (Classic 2006)">Wikipedia:Main Page alternative (Classic 2006)</a></i></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="About_the_redesign" data-mw-thread-id="h-About_the_redesign"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-About_the_redesign"></span>About the redesign<span data-mw-comment-end="h-About_the_redesign"></span></h2></div> <table class="infobox" width="270px"> <tbody><tr> <th align="center"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="Archive"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/50px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" 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title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Draft/tally archive">Tally (poll) archive for Draft 1 through 4</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page/Draft/Archive_1" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Draft/Archive 1">Draft 1&2 Talk Archive</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page/Draft/Archive_2" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Draft/Archive 2">Draft 3 Talk Archive</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page/Draft/Archive_3" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Draft/Archive 3">Draft 4 Talk Archive</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page/Draft/Archive_5" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Draft/Archive 5">Draft 5 Talk Archive</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page/Draft/Archive_6" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Draft/Archive 6">Draft 6 Talk Archive</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page/Draft/Archive_post_draft_6" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Draft/Archive post draft 6">Post Draft 6 Talk Archive</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page/Draft/Archive_open_editing_session" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Draft/Archive open editing session">Open editing session Talk Archive</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page/Draft/bug_fixing_session_archive" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Draft/bug fixing session archive">Bug fixing session archive</a></li></ul> <p><br/> </p> <ul><li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page/Final_archive" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Final archive">Final poll and discussion archive</a></b></li></ul> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>The proposed <i><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Usability/Main Page">main page design</a></b></i>: </p> <ul><li>Improves the prominence of the <a href="/wiki/Portal:Browse" class="mw-redirect" title="Portal:Browse">portal</a> links.</li> <li>Clearly divides the header's article navigation links and project-related links.</li> <li>Includes both the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Picture_of_the_day" title="Wikipedia:Picture of the day">Picture of the day</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know" title="Wikipedia:Did you know">Did you know...</a> on the main page, seven days a week.</li> <li>Adds a section containing descriptions of Wikipedia's important non-article areas.</li> <li>Swaps the positions of "Did you know..." and "Selected anniversaries" (renamed "On this day..."), thereby establishing a left-hand column that highlights our most polished articles and our newest articles (which hopefully will receive similar treatment), along with a right-hand column that highlights current news stories and news stories from years past.</li> <li>Swaps the positions of the links to our sister projects and the links to other languages' Wikipedias, thereby eliminating the need to use extra-small text for the latter.</li> <li>Aims to improve the page's aesthetic appearance.</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Issues_considered_in_the_redesign_process" data-mw-thread-id="h-Issues_considered_in_the_redesign_process-About_the_redesign"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Issues_considered_in_the_redesign_process-About_the_redesign"></span>Issues considered in the redesign process<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Issues_considered_in_the_redesign_process-About_the_redesign"></span></h3></div> <ul><li>Second search box: With a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page/Draft/Search_box_poll" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Draft/Search box poll">vote of "no consensus"</a> on including a second search box in the design, we have omitted it. We are considering options for tweaking the MonoBook skin to make the left search box more prominent and noticeable.</li> <li>Article count in header: The proposed design provides no elegant means of including the article count in the main page header. It is, however, included in the "Wikipedia languages" section. The one million article milestone will have come and gone by the time voting on the main page redesign concludes. Beyond that milestone, many in the Wikipedia community, including <a href="/wiki/Jimmy_Wales" title="Jimmy Wales">Jimmy Wales</a>, have <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2006-02-27/Millionth_article_preparations" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2006-02-27/Millionth article preparations">discussed</a> putting more emphasis on quality than quantity of articles. Displacing the article count from the header is consistent with this.</li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Future_issues" data-mw-thread-id="h-Future_issues-About_the_redesign"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Future_issues-About_the_redesign"></span>Future issues<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Future_issues-About_the_redesign"></span></h3></div> <p>Subsequent issues to be considered after this vote include: </p> <ul><li>Drive to improve quality of the portals and topic organization.</li> <li>Improve visibility of the left-navigation search box in the default MonoBook skin. Perhaps, an orange-colored border (as used on the active tabs at the top)?</li></ul> <hr/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thank_you_for_your_participation!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thank_you_for_your_participation!-2006-03-19T17:46:00.000Z"><span id="Thank_you_for_your_participation.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thank_you_for_your_participation!-2006-03-19T17:46:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for your participation!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thank_you_for_your_participation!-2006-03-19T17:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Go_for_it!-2006-03-19T17:46:00.000Z-Thank_you_for_your_participation!"></span>This Main Page Redesign Project is over! Thank you everyone for your hard work and support. --<a href="/wiki/User:Go_for_it!" title="User:Go for it!">Go for it!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Go_for_it!-2006-03-19T17:46:00.000Z-Thank_you_for_your_participation!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Go_for_it!-2006-03-19T17:46:00.000Z-Thank_you_for_your_participation!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Go_for_it!-2006-03-19T17:46:00.000Z-Thank_you_for_your_participation!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!-2006-03-19T01:05:00.000Z"><span id="Congrats.2C_everyone.E2.80.94barnstars_all_around.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!-2006-03-19T01:05:00.000Z"></span>Congrats, everyone—barnstars all around!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!-2006-03-19T01:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-19T01:05:00.000Z-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!"></span>This goes by the honor system: if you worked hard, take it! If not, there's always something else to do...--<a href="/wiki/User:HereToHelp" title="User:HereToHelp">Here</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:HereToHelp" title="User talk:HereToHelp"><b>T</b></a><a href="/wiki/User:HereToHelp" title="User:HereToHelp">oHelp</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-HereToHelp-2006-03-19T01:05:00.000Z-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:05, 19 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-19T01:05:00.000Z-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-19T01:05:00.000Z-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!"></span> </p> <table class="barnstar" style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-19T01:05:00.000Z-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!-1"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar.gif" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="A Barnstar!" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar.gif/100px-Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar.gif" decoding="async" width="100" height="100" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Tireless_Contributor_Barnstar.gif 1.5x" data-file-width="120" data-file-height="120"/></a></span> </td> <td style="vertical-align:top;"><div style="text-align: center; font-size: x-large; font-weight: bold; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; color: black">The Tireless Contributor Barnstar</div> <hr/><span style="color: black">For everyone who worked so hard on the <a class="mw-selflink selflink">Main Page redesign</a>, we all deserve a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstar" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Barnstar">barnstar</a>! <a href="/wiki/User:HereToHelp" title="User:HereToHelp">Here</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:HereToHelp" title="User talk:HereToHelp"><b>T</b></a><a href="/wiki/User:HereToHelp" title="User:HereToHelp">oHelp</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-HereToHelp-2006-03-19T01:05:00.000Z-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:05, 19 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-19T01:05:00.000Z-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!-1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-19T01:05:00.000Z-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!-1"></span> <br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sj-2006-03-22T10:00:00.000Z-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!"></span> Seconded :-) <a href="/wiki/User:Sj" title="User:Sj">+sj </a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sj" title="User talk:Sj">+</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Sj-2006-03-22T10:00:00.000Z-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:00, 22 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sj-2006-03-22T10:00:00.000Z-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sj-2006-03-22T10:00:00.000Z-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!"></span><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Go_for_it!-2006-03-29T03:20:00.000Z-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!"></span>Yep, that was a tedious project. Good job. --<a href="/wiki/User:Go_for_it!" title="User:Go for it!">Go for it!</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Go_for_it!-2006-03-29T03:20:00.000Z-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Go_for_it!-2006-03-29T03:20:00.000Z-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Go_for_it!-2006-03-29T03:20:00.000Z-Congrats,_everyone—barnstars_all_around!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AudeVivere-2006-03-20T14:56:00.000Z-Go_for_it!-2006-03-29T03:20:00.000Z"></span>I second the congratulations to everyone. Apologies that I wasn't here, during the weekend, to help out with code debugging. My hard drive failed, so I've been busy installing a new one. On to working on the portals for me, and revising the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Searching" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Searching">Wikipedia:Searching</a> page. The other outstanding issue is possibly highlighting the left search box. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AudeVivere&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AudeVivere (page does not exist)">Aude</a> (<small><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AudeVivere&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AudeVivere (page does not exist)">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AudeVivere" title="Special:Contributions/AudeVivere">contribs</a></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-AudeVivere-2006-03-20T14:56:00.000Z-Go_for_it!-2006-03-29T03:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AudeVivere-2006-03-20T14:56:00.000Z-Go_for_it!-2006-03-29T03:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AudeVivere-2006-03-20T14:56:00.000Z-Go_for_it!-2006-03-29T03:20:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Aftermath" data-mw-thread-id="h-Aftermath-2006-03-22T16:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Aftermath-2006-03-22T16:37:00.000Z"></span>Aftermath<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Aftermath-2006-03-22T16:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Carcharoth-2006-03-22T16:37:00.000Z-Aftermath"></span>Does anything still need sorting out in the aftermath of all this? One thing I thought of was whether the Alexa page rank website would show any differences? I found an archived discussion from last year <a href="/wiki/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_44#New_Main_Page" title="Talk:Main Page/Archive 44">here</a> that (some way down the page) talks about how removing category links (which became the portal links now on the Main Page) possibly affected the Alexa rankings. <a href="/wiki/User:Carcharoth" title="User:Carcharoth">Carcharoth</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Carcharoth-2006-03-22T16:37:00.000Z-Aftermath" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 22 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Carcharoth-2006-03-22T16:37:00.000Z-Aftermath"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Carcharoth-2006-03-22T16:37:00.000Z-Aftermath"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quiddity-2006-03-22T23:18:00.000Z-Carcharoth-2006-03-22T16:37:00.000Z"></span>I copied the current Main Page code to here (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Usability/Main Page">Wikipedia:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page</a>) (instead of the redirect to protected-draft-subpage) so that we can continue to test out options here. --<a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity" title="User:Quiddity">Quiddity</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Quiddity-2006-03-22T23:18:00.000Z-Carcharoth-2006-03-22T16:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 22 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quiddity-2006-03-22T23:18:00.000Z-Carcharoth-2006-03-22T16:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quiddity-2006-03-22T23:18:00.000Z-Carcharoth-2006-03-22T16:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T01:40:00.000Z-Carcharoth-2006-03-22T16:37:00.000Z"></span>Do we want to do something about the 'tomorrow' link requested for 'On this day' on the Main talk page? Basically, since the timing of the 'page date' change is at odds with local time for most of the world some users would like to be able to get materials for the 'correct' date with a single click (automatic adjustment would pose several technical problems).</dd></dl> <dl><dd>To do so we could replace the current 'On this day' box footer of: Recent days: <a href="/wiki/March_23" title="March 23">March 23</a> – <a href="/wiki/March_22" title="March 22">March 22</a> – <a href="/wiki/March_21" title="March 21">March 21</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>with something like: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Selected_anniversaries/November_29" title="Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/November 29">Prior day</a> - <a href="/wiki/November_30" title="November 30">Today's complete list</a> - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Selected_anniversaries/December_1" title="Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/December 1">Next day</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>Note that these links use generic 'day-1' and 'day+1' templates rather than hard-coded dates... which could then be placed on the 'Selected anniversaries' page for every day - allowing a user to 'browse' backwards or forwards through the 'On this day' materials. We could also add a calendar, inside 'noinclude' tags to prevent display on the Main page, to all the 'Selected anniversaries' pages to allow users to jump to a specific date. The same could be done to enhance the current article and picture of the day 'archives' - possibly not including links to future material if we don't want that displayed prior to the 'day' it is assigned to. It is even possible to show the entire Main Page for <a href="/w/index.php?title=Main_Page_alternative_(tomorrow)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Main Page alternative (tomorrow) (page does not exist)">tomorrow</a> or yesterday. --<a href="/wiki/User:CBDunkerson" title="User:CBDunkerson">CBDunkerson</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T01:40:00.000Z-Carcharoth-2006-03-22T16:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T01:40:00.000Z-Carcharoth-2006-03-22T16:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T01:40:00.000Z-Carcharoth-2006-03-22T16:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quiddity-2006-03-24T02:12:00.000Z-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T01:40:00.000Z"></span>Sounds good to me. Should probably be raised on each of the subsection's pages. and i love the "Tomorrow's newspaper" insinuations ;) --<a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity" title="User:Quiddity">Quiddity</a></dd> <dd>I'm not sure what you mean by the "...add a calendar..." idea though. A hide/show (javascript) section that reveals 365 links? --<a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity" title="User:Quiddity">Quiddity</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Quiddity-2006-03-24T02:12:00.000Z-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T01:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 24 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quiddity-2006-03-24T02:12:00.000Z-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T01:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quiddity-2006-03-24T02:12:00.000Z-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T01:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/February_29" title="February 29"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T02:54:00.000Z-Quiddity-2006-03-24T02:12:00.000Z"></span>366</a>.<br/><br/>I think it really would be good if eht Main page could tap into the local timezone and adjust itself. Or, if we do the three link thing, use "yesterday" and"tommorow". At the very least, we could add tommorow to {{day-2)), {{day-1)), November 30.--<a href="/wiki/User:HereToHelp" title="User:HereToHelp">Here</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:HereToHelp" title="User talk:HereToHelp"><b>T</b></a><a href="/wiki/User:HereToHelp" title="User:HereToHelp">oHelp</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T02:54:00.000Z-Quiddity-2006-03-24T02:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:54, 24 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T02:54:00.000Z-Quiddity-2006-03-24T02:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T02:54:00.000Z-Quiddity-2006-03-24T02:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T21:34:00.000Z-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T02:54:00.000Z"></span>Can someone uprotect the page? How can we do experiments if only admins can edit it?--<a href="/wiki/User:HereToHelp" title="User:HereToHelp">Here</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:HereToHelp" title="User talk:HereToHelp"><b>T</b></a><a href="/wiki/User:HereToHelp" title="User:HereToHelp">oHelp</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T21:34:00.000Z-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T02:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T21:34:00.000Z-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T02:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T21:34:00.000Z-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T02:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quiddity-2006-03-24T22:09:00.000Z-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T21:34:00.000Z"></span>Do experiments here: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Usability/Main Page">Wikipedia:WikiProject Usability/Main Page</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity" title="User:Quiddity">Quiddity</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Quiddity-2006-03-24T22:09:00.000Z-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T21:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quiddity-2006-03-24T22:09:00.000Z-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T21:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quiddity-2006-03-24T22:09:00.000Z-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T21:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T22:18:00.000Z-Quiddity-2006-03-24T22:09:00.000Z"></span>Okay, thanks.--<a href="/wiki/User:HereToHelp" title="User:HereToHelp">Here</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:HereToHelp" title="User talk:HereToHelp"><b>T</b></a><a href="/wiki/User:HereToHelp" title="User:HereToHelp">oHelp</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T22:18:00.000Z-Quiddity-2006-03-24T22:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 24 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T22:18:00.000Z-Quiddity-2006-03-24T22:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T22:18:00.000Z-Quiddity-2006-03-24T22:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quiddity-2006-03-25T19:58:00.000Z-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T22:18:00.000Z"></span>Or here <a href="/w/index.php?title=Main_Page_alternative_(editable)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Main Page alternative (editable) (page does not exist)">Main Page alternative (editable)</a> i guess! ;-) --<a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity" title="User:Quiddity">Quiddity</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Quiddity-2006-03-25T19:58:00.000Z-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T22:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 25 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quiddity-2006-03-25T19:58:00.000Z-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T22:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quiddity-2006-03-25T19:58:00.000Z-HereToHelp-2006-03-24T22:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T22:58:00.000Z-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T01:40:00.000Z"></span>Quiddity, I put an example of what I am talking about with the calendar at <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox5&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox5 (page does not exist)">User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox5</a>. The calendar is contained within 'noinclude' tags... so it only displays when the page is viewed directly, not when it is transcluded onto another page (like the Main Page). Ignore the old 'Recent days' info... I just transcluded the existing page so that the info displayed on the example will update each day. I'll try to track down the proper talk sub-page(s) to raise this change on.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>HereToHelp, I didn't use 'yesterday' and 'tomorrow' because they only work for one day. That is, if a user clicked 'yesterday' they would get the 'On this day' for the prior day and it would be fine... but if they then clicked 'yesterday' again on THAT page they'd be sent to the 'day before yesterday' page, and then two days before yesterday, et cetera. Thus, 'prior' and 'next' are more generic for when browsing through the list. As to the main page adjusting based on time-zone... the problem there is that we don't have a way to get the time zone of the user viewing the page INTO the page code itself. We just don't have programmatic access to that information. --<a href="/wiki/User:CBDunkerson" title="User:CBDunkerson">CBDunkerson</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T22:58:00.000Z-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T01:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 24 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T22:58:00.000Z-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T01:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T22:58:00.000Z-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T01:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quiddity-2006-03-25T00:28:00.000Z-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T22:58:00.000Z"></span>Re: Calendar. Oh, i see, That looks great, i totally support.</dd> <dd>Re: timezones. The user's timezone should be available from their browser. Possibly you mean it's not available thru mediawiki yet though...? (see your timezone with this <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://network-tools.com/analyze">tool</a>. part of ISO 8601 i think). --<a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity" title="User:Quiddity">Quiddity</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Quiddity-2006-03-25T00:28:00.000Z-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T22:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 25 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quiddity-2006-03-25T00:28:00.000Z-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T22:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quiddity-2006-03-25T00:28:00.000Z-CBDunkerson-2006-03-24T22:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-25T20:06:00.000Z-Quiddity-2006-03-25T00:28:00.000Z"></span>Re: timezones. Actually, it can. Go to your preferences/date and time and you'll see a button for "fill in from browser".--<a href="/wiki/User:HereToHelp" title="User:HereToHelp">Here</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:HereToHelp" title="User talk:HereToHelp"><b>T</b></a><a href="/wiki/User:HereToHelp" title="User:HereToHelp">oHelp</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-HereToHelp-2006-03-25T20:06:00.000Z-Quiddity-2006-03-25T00:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-25T20:06:00.000Z-Quiddity-2006-03-25T00:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HereToHelp-2006-03-25T20:06:00.000Z-Quiddity-2006-03-25T00:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CBDunkerson-2006-03-25T20:29:00.000Z-HereToHelp-2006-03-25T20:06:00.000Z"></span>Yes, I know... but we can't get that number to display <b>here</b> for each user viewing the page. Without which there is no way to get the page to display different info based on the time zone of each user. --<a href="/wiki/User:CBDunkerson" title="User:CBDunkerson">CBDunkerson</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-CBDunkerson-2006-03-25T20:29:00.000Z-HereToHelp-2006-03-25T20:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 25 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CBDunkerson-2006-03-25T20:29:00.000Z-HereToHelp-2006-03-25T20:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CBDunkerson-2006-03-25T20:29:00.000Z-HereToHelp-2006-03-25T20:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Looks_alot_like_Uncyclopedia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Looks_alot_like_Uncyclopedia-2006-03-25T18:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Looks_alot_like_Uncyclopedia-2006-03-25T18:01:00.000Z"></span>Looks alot like Uncyclopedia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Looks_alot_like_Uncyclopedia-2006-03-25T18:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kodemage-2006-03-25T18:01:00.000Z-Looks_alot_like_Uncyclopedia"></span>I just thought i'd say my 2 pence, but Wikipedia now looks a lot like Uncyclopedia. If Wikipedia changed their front page to the current design first, then that would be fine, as it would just be another case of Uncyclopedia being parodic, but this isn't the case. You'd think that Wikipedia would be trying to distance itself from Uncyclopedia, no? </p> <dl><dd>Um... They are being "parodic"[sic]. We had a working draft here first, then they changed their front page. Possibly so that they could claim wikipedia is influenced by them when it's the other wayt around. Wikipedia has a larger audience so it takes longer to reach consensus over issues. -<a href="/wiki/User:Kodemage" title="User:Kodemage">Kode</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Kodemage-2006-03-25T18:01:00.000Z-Looks_alot_like_Uncyclopedia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kodemage-2006-03-25T18:01:00.000Z-Looks_alot_like_Uncyclopedia"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kodemage-2006-03-25T18:01:00.000Z-Looks_alot_like_Uncyclopedia"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_stuart-2006-03-25T18:07:00.000Z-Kodemage-2006-03-25T18:01:00.000Z"></span>Uncyclopedia changed their front page more than a full month before <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://uncyclopedia.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=565390">1</a> Wikipedia did <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=44458525&oldid=43969581">[1]</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:The_stuart" title="User:The stuart">The_stuart</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-The_stuart-2006-03-25T18:07:00.000Z-Kodemage-2006-03-25T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_stuart-2006-03-25T18:07:00.000Z-Kodemage-2006-03-25T18:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_stuart-2006-03-25T18:07:00.000Z-Kodemage-2006-03-25T18:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CBDunkerson-2006-03-25T18:22:00.000Z-The_stuart-2006-03-25T18:07:00.000Z"></span>And? Swiftness in copying the draft design from this page doesn't change their lack of creativity. :] --<a href="/wiki/User:CBDunkerson" title="User:CBDunkerson">CBDunkerson</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-CBDunkerson-2006-03-25T18:22:00.000Z-The_stuart-2006-03-25T18:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:22, 25 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CBDunkerson-2006-03-25T18:22:00.000Z-The_stuart-2006-03-25T18:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CBDunkerson-2006-03-25T18:22:00.000Z-The_stuart-2006-03-25T18:07:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Levy-2006-03-25T18:33:00.000Z-The_stuart-2006-03-25T18:07:00.000Z"></span>Firstly, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://uncyclopedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=570043">this</a> is an explanation that was posted at Uncyclopedia. Secondly, three weeks is <i>not</i> "more than a full month." —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Levy" class="mw-redirect" title="User:David Levy">David Levy</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-David_Levy-2006-03-25T18:33:00.000Z-The_stuart-2006-03-25T18:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 25 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Levy-2006-03-25T18:33:00.000Z-The_stuart-2006-03-25T18:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Levy-2006-03-25T18:33:00.000Z-The_stuart-2006-03-25T18:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unixer-2006-03-29T09:14:00.000Z-Kodemage-2006-03-25T18:01:00.000Z"></span>sounds like you're competing with uncyclopedia. take it easy, guys :) <a href="/wiki/User:Unixer" title="User:Unixer">Unixer</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Unixer-2006-03-29T09:14:00.000Z-Kodemage-2006-03-25T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unixer-2006-03-29T09:14:00.000Z-Kodemage-2006-03-25T18:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unixer-2006-03-29T09:14:00.000Z-Kodemage-2006-03-25T18:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Siva1979-2006-04-26T09:54:00.000Z-Looks_alot_like_Uncyclopedia"></span>Come on! The quality of Uncyclopedia does not even come close to Wikipedia! Wikipedia is miles ahead here. --<span style="background:gold;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Esperanza" title="Wikipedia:Esperanza"><span style="color:green;">S</span></a><a href="/wiki/User:Siva1979" title="User:Siva1979">iva1979</a></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Siva1979" title="User talk:Siva1979"><sup style="background:yellow;">Talk to me</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Siva1979-2006-04-26T09:54:00.000Z-Looks_alot_like_Uncyclopedia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:54, 26 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Siva1979-2006-04-26T09:54:00.000Z-Looks_alot_like_Uncyclopedia"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Siva1979-2006-04-26T09:54:00.000Z-Looks_alot_like_Uncyclopedia"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Switching_from_tables_to_css?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Switching_from_tables_to_css?-2006-05-08T02:20:00.000Z"><span id="Switching_from_tables_to_css.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Switching_from_tables_to_css?-2006-05-08T02:20:00.000Z"></span>Switching from tables to css?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Switching_from_tables_to_css?-2006-05-08T02:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T02:20:00.000Z-Switching_from_tables_to_css?"></span>Hi all, </p><p>I'm rather afraid that I thought I had a solution to this issue, but when I implemented it I broke the main page :-( I am rather sorry that I did that. However, it <i>is</i> possible to convert from tables to divs and apply styles. Given that HTML should be about structuring information, and not really about layout, I would like to see a lot more div tags and a lot less table tags! </p><p>Our current solution is actually quite hard to skin. For instance, I wanted to include, in my own css file, line-spacing changes. However, these changes break the main page for me. If the main page had the infoboxes in div tags, then it would be a lot simpler to implement this change. </p><p>A trial is currently at <a href="/wiki/User:Ta_bu_shi_da_yu/MainPage2" title="User:Ta bu shi da yu/MainPage2">User:Ta bu shi da yu/MainPage2</a>, there are significant problems with my markup, however. If anyone could help, I'd much appreciate this! - <a href="/wiki/User:Ta_bu_shi_da_yu" title="User:Ta bu shi da yu">Ta bu shi da yu</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T02:20:00.000Z-Switching_from_tables_to_css?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T02:20:00.000Z-Switching_from_tables_to_css?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T02:20:00.000Z-Switching_from_tables_to_css?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_sections?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_sections?-2006-05-08T02:25:00.000Z"><span id="Edit_sections.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_sections?-2006-05-08T02:25:00.000Z"></span>Edit sections?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_sections?-2006-05-08T02:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T02:25:00.000Z-Edit_sections?"></span>How come I can't edit sections on this page? - <a href="/wiki/User:Ta_bu_shi_da_yu" title="User:Ta bu shi da yu">Ta bu shi da yu</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T02:25:00.000Z-Edit_sections?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T02:25:00.000Z-Edit_sections?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T02:25:00.000Z-Edit_sections?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cyberjunkie-2006-05-08T05:20:00.000Z-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T02:25:00.000Z"></span>'Cause someone has marked this page as an archive with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Talkarchive" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Talkarchive">talkarchive</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, which disallows edit tags.--<a href="/wiki/User:Cyberjunkie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Cyberjunkie">cj</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cyberjunkie" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Cyberjunkie">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Cyberjunkie-2006-05-08T05:20:00.000Z-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T02:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cyberjunkie-2006-05-08T05:20:00.000Z-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T02:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cyberjunkie-2006-05-08T05:20:00.000Z-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T02:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quiddity-2006-05-08T06:26:00.000Z-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T02:25:00.000Z"></span>You want the parent page: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability</a>.</dd> <dd>And if it all works, maybe you could standardize the Community Portal and Help:Contents pages whilst you're at it ;) -<a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity" title="User:Quiddity">Quiddity</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Quiddity-2006-05-08T06:26:00.000Z-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T02:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quiddity-2006-05-08T06:26:00.000Z-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T02:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quiddity-2006-05-08T06:26:00.000Z-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T02:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T06:40:00.000Z-Quiddity-2006-05-08T06:26:00.000Z"></span>I do feel somewhat embarrassed now :-) <a href="/wiki/User:Ta_bu_shi_da_yu" title="User:Ta bu shi da yu">Ta bu shi da yu</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T06:40:00.000Z-Quiddity-2006-05-08T06:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T06:40:00.000Z-Quiddity-2006-05-08T06:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T06:40:00.000Z-Quiddity-2006-05-08T06:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Siva1979-2006-05-08T16:54:00.000Z-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T06:40:00.000Z"></span>Well, you <b>should not</b>! People learn from their ignorance and become better editors because of it. Glad, you learnt something new! --<span style="background:gold;"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Esperanza" title="Wikipedia:Esperanza"><span style="color:green;">S</span></a><a href="/wiki/User:Siva1979" title="User:Siva1979">iva1979</a></span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Siva1979" title="User talk:Siva1979"><sup style="background:yellow;">Talk to me</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#c-Siva1979-2006-05-08T16:54:00.000Z-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T06:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Siva1979-2006-05-08T16:54:00.000Z-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T06:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Siva1979-2006-05-08T16:54:00.000Z-Ta_bu_shi_da_yu-2006-05-08T06:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page&oldid=1135709796">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page&oldid=1135709796</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 26 January 2023, at 10:25<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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