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Samos</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#Domenico_Gottardi"><span class="tocnumber">11</span> <span class="toctext">Domenico Gottardi</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#VIAF"><span class="tocnumber">12</span> <span class="toctext">VIAF</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#Pseudonym"><span class="tocnumber">13</span> <span class="toctext">Pseudonym</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_/_Supporto_realizzazione_bot"><span class="tocnumber">14</span> <span class="toctext">Gestione delle property di Data in Pedia / Supporto realizzazione bot</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#Duplicates"><span class="tocnumber">15</span> <span class="toctext">Duplicates</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#John_Davies"><span class="tocnumber">16</span> <span class="toctext">John Davies</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#VIAF_e_ISNI_da_BeWeB"><span class="tocnumber">17</span> <span class="toctext">VIAF e ISNI da BeWeB</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#Q16105430"><span class="tocnumber">18</span> <span class="toctext">Q16105430</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="#Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop"><span class="tocnumber">19</span> <span class="toctext">Invitation to participate in the WQT UI requirements elicitation online workshop</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers"><span class="tocnumber">20</span> <span class="toctext">SPARQL query for qualifiers</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="#Worldcat_deletions"><span class="tocnumber">21</span> <span class="toctext">Worldcat deletions</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="#Researcher_quickstatement_deletion"><span class="tocnumber">22</span> <span class="toctext">Researcher quickstatement deletion</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-23"><a href="#Mike_Danson"><span class="tocnumber">23</span> <span class="toctext">Mike Danson</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-24"><a href="#translated_work"><span class="tocnumber">24</span> <span class="toctext">translated work</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-25"><a href="#Oxford_Reference"><span class="tocnumber">25</span> <span class="toctext">Oxford Reference</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-26"><a href="#Abante_e_Ascalabo"><span class="tocnumber">26</span> <span class="toctext">Abante e Ascalabo</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-27"><a href="#Merging_Q349402_Adam_Freytag_1608-1650_and_Q102156858_Adam_Freitag_1602-1664"><span class="tocnumber">27</span> <span class="toctext">Merging Q349402 Adam Freytag 1608-1650 and Q102156858 Adam Freitag 1602-1664</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-28"><a href="#Doppione"><span class="tocnumber">28</span> <span class="toctext">Doppione</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-29"><a href="#Mix-n-Match_for_RISM"><span class="tocnumber">29</span> <span class="toctext">Mix-n-Match for RISM</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-30"><a href="#Luca_Luciano_Trevisan"><span class="tocnumber">30</span> <span class="toctext">Luca Luciano Trevisan</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-31"><a href="#Protection_requests_per_vandalism"><span class="tocnumber">31</span> <span class="toctext">Protection requests per vandalism</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-32"><a href="#SBN_catalogue_-_spaced_ISNI"><span class="tocnumber">32</span> <span class="toctext">SBN catalogue - spaced ISNI</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-33"><a href="#Vandalo?"><span class="tocnumber">33</span> <span class="toctext">Vandalo?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-34"><a href="#WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings"><span class="tocnumber">34</span> <span class="toctext">WikiProject sum of all paintings</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-35"><a href="#Query"><span class="tocnumber">35</span> <span class="toctext">Query</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-36"><a href="#Jean_Moreau_de_Séchelles"><span class="tocnumber">36</span> <span class="toctext">Jean Moreau de Séchelles</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-37"><a href="#Qualificatori_di_Creatore"><span class="tocnumber">37</span> <span class="toctext">Qualificatori di Creatore</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-38"><a href="#Giacomo_Rocca"><span class="tocnumber">38</span> <span class="toctext">Giacomo Rocca</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-39"><a href="#Protection_request_against_vandalism"><span class="tocnumber">39</span> <span class="toctext">Protection request against vandalism</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-40"><a href="#Giovanni_Bruni"><span class="tocnumber">40</span> <span class="toctext">Giovanni Bruni</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-41"><a href="#Libro_di_Arto_Paasilinna"><span class="tocnumber">41</span> <span class="toctext">Libro di Arto Paasilinna</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-42"><a href="#QuickBatch"><span class="tocnumber">42</span> <span class="toctext">QuickBatch</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-43"><a href="#Removing_"withdrawn"_ISNI"><span class="tocnumber">43</span> <span class="toctext">Removing "withdrawn" ISNI</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-44"><a href="#Removing_WorldCat_ID"><span class="tocnumber">44</span> <span class="toctext">Removing WorldCat ID</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-45"><a href="#Nomisma_MnM"><span class="tocnumber">45</span> <span class="toctext">Nomisma MnM</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-46"><a href="#MnM_Hederich"><span class="tocnumber">46</span> <span class="toctext">MnM Hederich</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-47"><a href="#Ping_new_property"><span class="tocnumber">47</span> <span class="toctext">Ping new property</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-48"><a href="#Proprietà_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae"><span class="tocnumber">48</span> <span class="toctext">Proprietà per EDF Epigraphic Database Falsae</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-49"><a href="#Bots"><span class="tocnumber">49</span> <span class="toctext">Bots</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-50"><a href="#Quali_riferimento_è_più_opportuno?"><span class="tocnumber">50</span> <span class="toctext">Quali riferimento è più opportuno?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-51"><a href="#Un_collegamentio_improprio"><span class="tocnumber">51</span> <span class="toctext">Un collegamentio improprio</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-52"><a href="#Sceneggiatore_non_esistente"><span class="tocnumber">52</span> <span class="toctext">Sceneggiatore non esistente</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-53"><a href="#"Veduta_di_Venezia"_(Q26106449)"><span class="tocnumber">53</span> <span class="toctext">"Veduta di Venezia" (Q26106449)</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-54"><a href="#monk_(Q733786)_delete"><span class="tocnumber">54</span> <span class="toctext">monk (Q733786) delete</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-55"><a href="#ICCU:_catalog_vs._bibliography"><span class="tocnumber">55</span> <span class="toctext">ICCU: catalog vs. bibliography</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-56"><a href="#QuickBatch_2"><span class="tocnumber">56</span> <span class="toctext">QuickBatch</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-57"><a href="#Nessun_risultato_trovato"><span class="tocnumber">57</span> <span class="toctext">Nessun risultato trovato</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-58"><a href="#Agiografia_Silvestrina_medievale"><span class="tocnumber">58</span> <span class="toctext">Agiografia Silvestrina medievale</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-59"><a href="#Property_talk:P7859/Duplicates"><span class="tocnumber">59</span> <span class="toctext">Property talk:P7859/Duplicates</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-60"><a href="#Un_consiglio"><span class="tocnumber">60</span> <span class="toctext">Un consiglio</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-61"><a href="#Carlo_Angeli"><span class="tocnumber">61</span> <span class="toctext">Carlo Angeli</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-62"><a href="#"Troppe_entità_Wikidata_accedute""><span class="tocnumber">62</span> <span class="toctext">"Troppe entità Wikidata accedute"</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-63"><a href="#Query_2"><span class="tocnumber">63</span> <span class="toctext">Query</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-64"><a href="#Pietro_Paoletti"><span class="tocnumber">64</span> <span class="toctext">Pietro Paoletti</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-65"><a href="#Silvia_Berselli"><span class="tocnumber">65</span> <span class="toctext">Silvia Berselli</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-66"><a href="#BEIC_Digital_Library:_Pietro_Bernardo"><span class="tocnumber">66</span> <span class="toctext">BEIC Digital Library: Pietro Bernardo</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-67"><a href="#Segnalazione_vandalo"><span class="tocnumber">67</span> <span class="toctext">Segnalazione vandalo</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-68"><a href="#Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli"><span class="tocnumber">68</span> <span class="toctext">Stefano Angeli and Stefano de Angeli</span></a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Recensioni-20240103012000","replies":["c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000-Recensioni"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Recensioni","linkableTitle":"Recensioni"}--><h2 id="Recensioni" data-mw-thread-id="h-Recensioni-20240103012000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Recensioni-20240103012000"></span>Recensioni<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Recensioni-20240103012000"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Recensioni-20240103012000","replies":["c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000-Recensioni"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103190500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240103184200","timestamp":"20240103190500"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Recensioni-20240103012000","replies":["c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000-Recensioni"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Recensioni","linkableTitle":"Recensioni"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000-Recensioni"></span>Ciao, avrei una domanda riguardo i contributi di <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eiragorn">questo utente</a>, giusto per capire se è "normale" quello che fa o no: io, quando devo aggiornare qualche dato, in questo caso i punteggi delle recensioni o gli incassi, semplicemente cambio il dato aggiornando anche la data e la data di consultazione della fonte, è sbagliato? Perché questo utente invece cancella tutto e poi inserisce i dati aggiornati, ma il problema è che a volte lo fa anche senza motivo, ad esempio <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q89474225&curid=88689135&action=history">qui</a> (puoi vedere tu stesso dalla cronologia) ha cancellato tutto solo per cambiare la data, cancellando tra l'altro la data di consultazione della fonte, insomma il dato delle recensioni non era cambiato ma lui ha cancellato tutto lo stesso, e va avanti da mesi, facendo sei/sette edit al posto di uno solo per aggiornare, se lo facessi su it.wiki mi direbbero che sto intasando la cronologia, ma qui non so bene come funzioni, per cui chiedo a te, e buon anno :)--<a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Stark_96" title="User:Luke Stark 96">Luke Stark 96</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Luke_Stark_96" title="User talk:Luke Stark 96"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000-Recensioni" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:20, 3 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000-Recensioni"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240103012000","author":"Luke Stark 96","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000-Recensioni","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240103072700-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000-Recensioni"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240103072700-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Stark_96" title="User:Luke Stark 96"><bdi>Luke Stark 96</bdi></a>: direi che il problema è dovuto principalmente all'attuale funzionamento di QuickStatements (abbreviato QS; cfr. <a href="/wiki/Help:QuickStatements" title="Help:QuickStatements">Help:QuickStatements</a>), che è di gran lunga il principale strumento di modifica massiva dei dati di Wikidata; purtroppo QS non permette di modificare i qualificatori e/o i riferimenti di una dichiarazione esistente, ma per ottenere tale risultato bisogna rimuovere l'intera dichiarazione e poi riaggiungerla (e QS, nell'aggiungere una dichiarazione, aggiunge prima il valore principale, poi un qualificatore per volta, poi un riferimento per volta); ovviamente modificando manualmente (o con un bot, che però dev'essere appositamente programmato) si potrebbe, con una sola modifica, intervenire sia sul valore della dichiarazione sia su uno o più qualificatori sia su uno o più riferimenti, e questo renderebbe le cronologie decisamente più facili da consultare, sono perfettamente d'accordo. Tuttavia, di fatto l'utente sta agendo in modo corretto, anche se perfettibile a causa di uno strumento limitato; l'unico punto criticabile, come osservi, è l'assenza di <a href="/wiki/Property:P813" title="Property:P813">retrieved <small dir="ltr">(P813)</small></a> nei riferimenti ... per quanto si possa in questo caso inferire dal qualificatore <a href="/wiki/Property:P585" title="Property:P585">point in time <small dir="ltr">(P585)</small></a> della dichiarazione, concordo con te che sia comunque meglio mettere sempre anche la data di consultazione (e ciò peraltro non comporterebbe un'ulteriore modifica, poiché i riferimenti vengono aggiunti ciascuno in un'unica modifica), quindi sì, ti direi di consigliare all'utente di copiare le date di consultazione dal qualificatore P585 anche al riferimento P813. Poi in linea teorica si potrebbe, per dire, aggiornare massivamente soltanto i dati che sono effettivamente cambiati (7 modifiche per mostrare che a distanza di un mese lo stesso film ha lo stesso score sono un po' sprecate, vero), tuttavia ciò implica fare una query sui dati esistenti e un confronto coi dati che si vanno ad aggiungere, il che può essere (specie su grandi moli di dati) un po' macchinoso ... si può suggerire all'utente, ma non direi che sia in senso stretto sbagliato intervenire massivamente su tutti i dati periodicamente, anche se ciò comporta in alcuni casi dei gruppi di modifiche di scarsa utilità come questi. Buon anno anche a te! --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240103072700-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:27, 3 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240103072700-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240103072700","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240103072700-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000","replies":["c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103110300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240103072700"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240103072700-Luke_Stark_96-20240103012000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103110300-Epìdosis-20240103072700"></span>Ah quindi la "colpa" è dello strumento che usa.... ok volevo giusto assicurarmi che il suo operato fosse giusto, ma io non sbaglio se invece aggiorno semplicemente cambiando il dato e aggiornando le date? (facendo un solo edit)--<a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Stark_96" title="User:Luke Stark 96">Luke Stark 96</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Luke_Stark_96" title="User talk:Luke Stark 96"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103110300-Epìdosis-20240103072700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:03, 3 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103110300-Epìdosis-20240103072700"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240103110300","author":"Luke Stark 96","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103110300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240103072700","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240103184200-Luke_Stark_96-20240103110300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103110300-Epìdosis-20240103072700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240103184200-Luke_Stark_96-20240103110300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Stark_96" title="User:Luke Stark 96"><bdi>Luke Stark 96</bdi></a>: no, tu certamente non sbagli! --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240103184200-Luke_Stark_96-20240103110300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 3 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240103184200-Luke_Stark_96-20240103110300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240103184200","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240103184200-Luke_Stark_96-20240103110300","replies":["c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103190500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240103184200"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240103184200-Luke_Stark_96-20240103110300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103190500-Epìdosis-20240103184200"></span>D'accordo, volevo esserne sicuro, grazie e buona serata :)--<a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Stark_96" title="User:Luke Stark 96">Luke Stark 96</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Luke_Stark_96" title="User talk:Luke Stark 96"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103190500-Epìdosis-20240103184200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 3 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103190500-Epìdosis-20240103184200"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240103190500","author":"Luke Stark 96","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103190500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240103184200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Luke_Stark_96-20240103190500-Epìdosis-20240103184200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Haseeb55-20240103230400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-temporary_batch_1704307986391-20240103230400","replies":["c-Haseeb55-20240103230400-temporary_batch_1704307986391"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"temporary_batch_1704307986391","linkableTitle":"temporary batch 1704307986391"}--><h2 id="temporary_batch_1704307986391" data-mw-thread-id="h-temporary_batch_1704307986391-20240103230400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-temporary_batch_1704307986391-20240103230400"></span>temporary_batch_1704307986391<span data-mw-comment-end="h-temporary_batch_1704307986391-20240103230400"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Haseeb55-20240103230400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-temporary_batch_1704307986391-20240103230400","replies":["c-Haseeb55-20240103230400-temporary_batch_1704307986391"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104090700-Haseeb55-20240103230400","timestamp":"20240104090700"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Haseeb55-20240103230400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-temporary_batch_1704307986391-20240103230400","replies":["c-Haseeb55-20240103230400-temporary_batch_1704307986391"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"temporary_batch_1704307986391","linkableTitle":"temporary batch 1704307986391"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Haseeb55-20240103230400-temporary_batch_1704307986391"></span>Hello, Epìdosis. In this batch, you have removed "researcher" as an occupation. I think those were valid statements. May I know the reason for removing the statements? — <a href="/wiki/User:Haseeb55" title="User:Haseeb55">Haseeb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Haseeb55" title="User talk:Haseeb55"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Haseeb55-20240103230400-temporary_batch_1704307986391" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Haseeb55-20240103230400-temporary_batch_1704307986391"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240103230400","author":"Haseeb55","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Haseeb55-20240103230400-temporary_batch_1704307986391","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104090700-Haseeb55-20240103230400"],"displayName":"Haseeb"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Haseeb55-20240103230400-temporary_batch_1704307986391"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240104090700-Haseeb55-20240103230400"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Haseeb55" title="User:Haseeb55"><bdi>Haseeb55</bdi></a>: the batch 1704307986391 is based on <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=24099341&al_commands=-P106%3AQ1650915">https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=24099341&al_commands=-P106%3AQ1650915</a>, which finds to-be-removed statements <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q1650915" title="Q1650915">researcher <small>(Q1650915)</small></a></span></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2202089130">.mw-parser-output .statement{margin:0 .2em;background:var(--background-color-base,#fff);color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1)}.mw-parser-output .statement .subject{padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .predicate{background:var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0);color:var(--color-emphasized,#000);padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .object{padding:0 .2em}</style> according to the following criteria: 1) the item <i>already</i> has <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q36180" title="Q36180">writer <small>(Q36180)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> (and presently <span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q1650915" title="Q1650915">researcher <small>(Q1650915)</small></a></b><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of <small>(P279)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q1622272" title="Q1622272">university teacher <small>(Q1622272)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130">) and 2) the statement <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q1650915" title="Q1650915">researcher <small>(Q1650915)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> either has no reference or it is only referenced through <a href="/wiki/Property:P143" title="Property:P143">imported from Wikimedia project <small dir="ltr">(P143)</small></a>. In these cases I think that <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q1650915" title="Q1650915">researcher <small>(Q1650915)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> is just redundant (since <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q1622272" title="Q1622272">university teacher <small>(Q1622272)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> is already present, and no actual reference justifies the additional presence of <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q1650915" title="Q1650915">researcher <small>(Q1650915)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> itself); however, if it is manually readded with a reference (different from <a href="/wiki/Property:P143" title="Property:P143">imported from Wikimedia project <small dir="ltr">(P143)</small></a>), it won't be removed again through the aforementioned mechanism. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240104090700-Haseeb55-20240103230400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:07, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240104090700-Haseeb55-20240103230400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104090700","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104090700-Haseeb55-20240103230400","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240104090700-Haseeb55-20240103230400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240104052300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Andrea_Ventura-20240104052300","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240104052300-Andrea_Ventura"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Andrea Ventura","linkableTitle":"Andrea Ventura"}--><h2 id="Andrea_Ventura" data-mw-thread-id="h-Andrea_Ventura-20240104052300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Andrea_Ventura-20240104052300"></span>Andrea Ventura<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Andrea_Ventura-20240104052300"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240104052300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Andrea_Ventura-20240104052300","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240104052300-Andrea_Ventura"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Kolja21-20240104183600-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104182800","timestamp":"20240104183600"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__10__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240104052300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Andrea_Ventura-20240104052300","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240104052300-Andrea_Ventura"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Andrea Ventura","linkableTitle":"Andrea Ventura"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240104052300-Andrea_Ventura"></span>Good morning Epìdosis, I've created <a href="/wiki/Q124109781" title="Q124109781">Andrea Ventura <small>(Q124109781)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian artist (1968- )</span></small>. <a href="https://viaf.org/viaf/309838442" class="extiw" title="viaf:309838442">VIAF:309838442</a> seems to mix with an other (unknown) person. SBN CFIV199346: Ventura, Andrea <1967- >. <a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240104052300-Andrea_Ventura" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240104052300-Andrea_Ventura"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104052300","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240104052300-Andrea_Ventura","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104095600-Kolja21-20240104052300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240104052300-Andrea_Ventura"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240104095600-Kolja21-20240104052300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: I have cleaned all "Andrea Ventura" in SBN as much as possible; for Andrea Ventura <1967- > (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://opac.sbn.it/nome/CFIV199346">https://opac.sbn.it/nome/CFIV199346</a>) there were no other data, and no references at all, so I deleted it; Andrea Ventura <1968- > existed already (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://opac.sbn.it/nome/RL1V003793">https://opac.sbn.it/nome/RL1V003793</a>) and I moved to it all the publications he claims on his website. A note on <a href="/wiki/Q124108270" class="mw-redirect" title="Q124108270">Andrea Ventura <small>(Q124108270)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian particle physicist (1975-)</span></small>: he was professor at the University of Florence (as stated in SBN and <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://lasinodoroedizioni.it/autore/andrea-ventura/">https://lasinodoroedizioni.it/autore/andrea-ventura/</a>), never apparently at the University of Salento (as stated instead in <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://d-nb.info/gnd/1155540778">https://d-nb.info/gnd/1155540778</a>); probably this imprecision is due to a confusion with the younger <a href="/wiki/Q56488808" title="Q56488808">Andrea Ventura <small>(Q56488808)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian particle physicist (1975-)</span></small>. Thanks as always for this report! --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240104095600-Kolja21-20240104052300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:56, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240104095600-Kolja21-20240104052300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104095600","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104095600-Kolja21-20240104052300","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240104173000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104095600"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240104095600-Kolja21-20240104052300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240104173000-Epìdosis-20240104095600"></span>There was a wrong ORCID import (physicist: same name, same university). I've created a new GND for the physicist. GND <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://d-nb.info/gnd/1155540778">1155540778</a> was created for Andrea Ventura, economist at the University of Salento, see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-70007-6_5"><i>Are There Differences in Boards of Directors Between Banks and Non-financial Firms?</i></a> The professor at the University of Florence might be an other person. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240104173000-Epìdosis-20240104095600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240104173000-Epìdosis-20240104095600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104173000","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240104173000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104095600","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104173900-Kolja21-20240104173000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240104173000-Epìdosis-20240104095600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240104173900-Kolja21-20240104173000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: I think effectively the author of <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-70007-6_5">https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-70007-6_5</a> is the physicist (this <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.dhitech.it/inerrantliveshow/">http://www.dhitech.it/inerrantliveshow/</a> confirms that he has been involved in the use of physics for business) ... although the department indicated is strange (and probably wrong) since the physicist is obviously affiliated to the Department of Maths and Physics. Anyway, I remove <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://d-nb.info/gnd/1155540778">https://d-nb.info/gnd/1155540778</a> from <a href="/wiki/Q124108270" class="mw-redirect" title="Q124108270">Andrea Ventura <small>(Q124108270)</small></a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240104173900-Kolja21-20240104173000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240104173900-Kolja21-20240104173000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104173900","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104173900-Kolja21-20240104173000","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240104174800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104173900"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240104173900-Kolja21-20240104173000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240104174800-Epìdosis-20240104173900"></span>I will look into it but since <a href="/wiki/Q124108270" class="mw-redirect" title="Q124108270">Q124108270</a> has been created for Andrea Ventura with GND 1155540778 and the Dialnet ID <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://dialnet.unirioja.es/servlet/autor?codigo=5576727">5576727</a> the 1955 economist should get a separate item. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240104174800-Epìdosis-20240104173900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240104174800-Epìdosis-20240104173900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104174800","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240104174800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104173900","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104175300-Kolja21-20240104174800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240104174800-Epìdosis-20240104173900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240104175300-Kolja21-20240104174800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: OK, I redirected it to <a href="/wiki/Q56488808" title="Q56488808">Andrea Ventura <small>(Q56488808)</small></a> and I created <a href="/wiki/Q124130078" title="Q124130078">Andrea Ventura <small>(Q124130078)</small></a> for the economist. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240104175300-Kolja21-20240104174800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240104175300-Kolja21-20240104174800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104175300","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104175300-Kolja21-20240104174800","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240104180500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104175300"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240104175300-Kolja21-20240104174800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240104180500-Epìdosis-20240104175300"></span>Thanks but you're a bit to fast. Shouldn't we first find a proof that the GND/Dialnet economist is a the physicist? If I look at <a href="/wiki/Q124130078#P1317" title="Q124130078">Q124130078#P1317</a> the new item is still a conflation. Let's keep <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q124108270&oldid=2045065119">the original Q124108270</a> using "said to be the same as" and then we work our way forward step by step. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240104180500-Epìdosis-20240104175300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240104180500-Epìdosis-20240104175300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104180500","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240104180500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104175300","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104181100-Kolja21-20240104180500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240104180500-Epìdosis-20240104175300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240104181100-Kolja21-20240104180500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: the proof is <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://iris.unisalento.it/handle/11587/418506">https://iris.unisalento.it/handle/11587/418506</a> where the publication is clearly connected to Andrea Ventura physicist at the University of Salento; if the Andrea Ventura author of the publication was a homonym, there wouldn't be the connection. Checking the official list of publications of the physicist Andrea Ventura in the open-access repository of his university (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://iris.unisalento.it/cris/rp/rp02109">https://iris.unisalento.it/cris/rp/rp02109</a>), <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://iris.unisalento.it/handle/11587/418506">https://iris.unisalento.it/handle/11587/418506</a> (= <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-70007-6_5">https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-70007-6_5</a>) is one of them. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240104181100-Kolja21-20240104180500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240104181100-Kolja21-20240104180500"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104181100","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104181100-Kolja21-20240104180500","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104182800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104181100"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240104181100-Kolja21-20240104180500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240104182800-Epìdosis-20240104181100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: Finally I created the two coauthors, <a href="/wiki/Q124130174" title="Q124130174">Vittorio Boscia <small>(Q124130174)</small></a> and <a href="/wiki/Q124130182" title="Q124130182">Valeria Stefanelli <small>(Q124130182)</small></a>; they are OK in SBN. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240104182800-Epìdosis-20240104181100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240104182800-Epìdosis-20240104181100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104182800","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104182800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104181100","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240104183600-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104182800"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240104182800-Epìdosis-20240104181100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240104183600-Epìdosis-20240104182800"></span>Thanks. I'll create some of the missing GNDs. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240104183600-Epìdosis-20240104182800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240104183600-Epìdosis-20240104182800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104183600","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240104183600-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240104182800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240104183600-Epìdosis-20240104182800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-\u00c0ncilu-20240112091700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Split-20240112091700","replies":["c-\u00c0ncilu-20240112091700-Split"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Split","linkableTitle":"Split"}--><h2 id="Split" data-mw-thread-id="h-Split-20240112091700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Split-20240112091700"></span>Split<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Split-20240112091700"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-\u00c0ncilu-20240112091700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Split-20240112091700","replies":["c-\u00c0ncilu-20240112091700-Split"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240113161000-\u00c0ncilu-20240113160800","timestamp":"20240113161000"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-\u00c0ncilu-20240112091700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Split-20240112091700","replies":["c-\u00c0ncilu-20240112091700-Split"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Split","linkableTitle":"Split"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Àncilu-20240112091700-Split"></span>Ciao, gli split sono accettati su Wikidata? Volevo creare un elemento su <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Trh%C3%A4/Ed%C3%ABnohhdlha_h%C3%A1lgra_tu_majtranlh%27ha_-_Ga_n%C3%ABc%C3%ABcta_mon_idlhi/999653">ciò</a> ma non ero sicuro se è ammissibile qui su Wikidata. <a href="/wiki/User:%C3%80ncilu" title="User:Àncilu">Àncilu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C3%80ncilu" title="User talk:Àncilu"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Àncilu-20240112091700-Split" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Àncilu-20240112091700-Split"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240112091700","author":"\u00c0ncilu","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u00c0ncilu-20240112091700-Split","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240112100100-\u00c0ncilu-20240112091700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Àncilu-20240112091700-Split"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240112100100-Àncilu-20240112091700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:%C3%80ncilu" title="User:Àncilu"><bdi>Àncilu</bdi></a>: certamente, lo puoi creare con <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of <small>(P31)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q368281" title="Q368281">split album <small>(Q368281)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130">. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240112100100-Àncilu-20240112091700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240112100100-Àncilu-20240112091700"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240112100100","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240112100100-\u00c0ncilu-20240112091700","replies":["c-\u00c0ncilu-20240113160800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240112100100"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240112100100-Àncilu-20240112091700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Àncilu-20240113160800-Epìdosis-20240112100100"></span>Grazie, l'ho creato, <a href="/wiki/Q124262209" title="Q124262209">Q124262209</a>. Con gli album di Trhä però avrei un dubbio... i titoli sono scritti in una lingua che l'autore ha inventato, quindi come potrei riempire la proprietà titolo? <a href="/wiki/User:%C3%80ncilu" title="User:Àncilu">Àncilu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%C3%80ncilu" title="User talk:Àncilu"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Àncilu-20240113160800-Epìdosis-20240112100100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Àncilu-20240113160800-Epìdosis-20240112100100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240113160800","author":"\u00c0ncilu","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u00c0ncilu-20240113160800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240112100100","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240113161000-\u00c0ncilu-20240113160800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Àncilu-20240113160800-Epìdosis-20240112100100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240113161000-Àncilu-20240113160800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:%C3%80ncilu" title="User:Àncilu"><bdi>Àncilu</bdi></a>: puoi usare per <a href="/wiki/Property:P1476" title="Property:P1476">title <small dir="ltr">(P1476)</small></a> il codice "und" (lingua imprecisata), mi pare la scelta migliore. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240113161000-Àncilu-20240113160800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240113161000-Àncilu-20240113160800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240113161000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240113161000-\u00c0ncilu-20240113160800","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240113161000-Àncilu-20240113160800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-MnM_PIAC-20240125143900","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900-MnM_PIAC"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"MnM PIAC","linkableTitle":"MnM PIAC"}--><h2 id="MnM_PIAC" data-mw-thread-id="h-MnM_PIAC-20240125143900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-MnM_PIAC-20240125143900"></span>MnM PIAC<span data-mw-comment-end="h-MnM_PIAC-20240125143900"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-MnM_PIAC-20240125143900","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900-MnM_PIAC"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240125151000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900","timestamp":"20240125151000"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-MnM_PIAC-20240125143900","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900-MnM_PIAC"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"MnM PIAC","linkableTitle":"MnM PIAC"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900-MnM_PIAC"></span>Ciao Epìdosis, potresti deattivare il catalogo <a class="external text" href="https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/catalog/4066">PIAC authors</a>? L'URL risolta aver cambiato da <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://piac.urbe.it/">http://piac.urbe.it/</a> verso <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://catalogo.piac.it/">https://catalogo.piac.it/</a>. Purtroppo, gli ID non sono statti riusato; ad esempio <a href="/wiki/Q34004342" title="Q34004342">Jill Diana Harries <small>(Q34004342)</small></a> sembra di avere avuto l'ID <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://piac.urbe.it/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authoritiesdetail.pl?marc=1&authid=17837">17837</a> mentre adesso a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://catalogo.piac.it/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authoritiesdetail.pl?authid=22186">22186</a>. @<a href="/wiki/User:Bargioni" title="User:Bargioni"><bdi>Bargioni</bdi></a>: che l'ha importato. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900-MnM_PIAC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 25 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900-MnM_PIAC"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240125143900","author":"Jahl de Vautban","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900-MnM_PIAC","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240125151000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900-MnM_PIAC"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240125151000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban"><bdi>Jahl de Vautban</bdi></a>: sì, è un peccato che tutti gli ID siano da buttare; probabilmente in febbraio importiamo un nuovo catalogo e ricominciamo daccapo ... grazie per la segnalazione, ho disattivato il catalogo. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240125151000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 25 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240125151000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240125151000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240125151000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240125151000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240125143900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Consiste_di_(P527)_con_varie_sottogruppi-20240130202000","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000-Consiste_di_(P527)_con_varie_sottogruppi"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Consiste di (P527) con varie sottogruppi","linkableTitle":"Consiste di (P527) con varie sottogruppi"}--><h2 id="Consiste_di_(P527)_con_varie_sottogruppi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Consiste_di_(P527)_con_varie_sottogruppi-20240130202000"><span id="Consiste_di_.28P527.29_con_varie_sottogruppi"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Consiste_di_(P527)_con_varie_sottogruppi-20240130202000"></span>Consiste di (P527) con varie sottogruppi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Consiste_di_(P527)_con_varie_sottogruppi-20240130202000"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Consiste_di_(P527)_con_varie_sottogruppi-20240130202000","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000-Consiste_di_(P527)_con_varie_sottogruppi"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130204500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240130204200","timestamp":"20240130204500"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Consiste_di_(P527)_con_varie_sottogruppi-20240130202000","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000-Consiste_di_(P527)_con_varie_sottogruppi"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Consiste di (P527) con varie sottogruppi","linkableTitle":"Consiste di (P527) con varie sottogruppi"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000-Consiste_di_(P527)_con_varie_sottogruppi"></span>Ciao! Avendo finito di importare i discorsi di Dione, mi è venuta una interrogazione su comme procedire per collegarli all elemento generale dei <a href="/wiki/Q87746189" title="Q87746189">Speeches <small>(Q87746189)</small></a>. Il problema è chi ci sono varie "sottogruppi", ad esempio <a href="/wiki/Q124387454" title="Q124387454">On kingship <small>(Q124387454)</small></a>, che consista nei quatro primi discorsi. Per il momento, quando tale sottogruppo esisteva, ho collegato lui a <a href="/wiki/Q87746189" title="Q87746189">Q87746189</a>, mentre i discorsi sono collegati al sottogruppo, ma forze sarebbe meglio collegare tutti i discorsi individuale a <a href="/wiki/Q87746189" title="Q87746189">Speeches <small>(Q87746189)</small></a>? Non so se c'è una pratica migliore, l'esempio dei libri della Biblia mi è paruto molto confuso. Grazie! --<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000-Consiste_di_(P527)_con_varie_sottogruppi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000-Consiste_di_(P527)_con_varie_sottogruppi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240130202000","author":"Jahl de Vautban","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000-Consiste_di_(P527)_con_varie_sottogruppi","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240130204200-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000-Consiste_di_(P527)_con_varie_sottogruppi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240130204200-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000"></span>Ciao @<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban"><bdi>Jahl de Vautban</bdi></a>:! Innanzitutto grazie per aver importato tutti i discorsi di <a href="/wiki/Q334457" title="Q334457">Dio Chrysostom <small>(Q334457)</small></a>, mi pare un'ottima idea. Sì, la questione dell'uso di <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) <small dir="ltr">(P527)</small></a> non è facilissima; forse proporrei il seguente schema: <a href="/wiki/Q87746189" title="Q87746189">Speeches <small>(Q87746189)</small></a> tramite <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) <small dir="ltr">(P527)</small></a> linka ai singoli discorsi 1-4 (ma non al sottogruppo <a href="/wiki/Q124387454" title="Q124387454">On kingship <small>(Q124387454)</small></a> per non creare difformità); i singoli discorsi 1-4 tramite <a href="/wiki/Property:P361" title="Property:P361">part of <small dir="ltr">(P361)</small></a> possono linkare sia a <a href="/wiki/Q87746189" title="Q87746189">Speeches <small>(Q87746189)</small></a> sia al sottogruppo <a href="/wiki/Q124387454" title="Q124387454">On kingship <small>(Q124387454)</small></a>; il sottogruppo <a href="/wiki/Q124387454" title="Q124387454">On kingship <small>(Q124387454)</small></a> tramite <a href="/wiki/Property:P361" title="Property:P361">part of <small dir="ltr">(P361)</small></a> può linkare a <a href="/wiki/Q87746189" title="Q87746189">Speeches <small>(Q87746189)</small></a>. Che ne dici? --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240130204200-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 30 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240130204200-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240130204200","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240130204200-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130204500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240130204200"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240130204200-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130202000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130204500-Epìdosis-20240130204200"></span>Ottimo, me ne occupo domani. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130204500-Epìdosis-20240130204200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130204500-Epìdosis-20240130204200"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240130204500","author":"Jahl de Vautban","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130204500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240130204200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240130204500-Epìdosis-20240130204200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Geagea-20240131114600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-it.wiki_P8189-20240131114600","replies":["c-Geagea-20240131114600-it.wiki_P8189"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"it.wiki P8189","linkableTitle":"it.wiki P8189"}--><h2 id="it.wiki_P8189" data-mw-thread-id="h-it.wiki_P8189-20240131114600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-it.wiki_P8189-20240131114600"></span>it.wiki P8189<span data-mw-comment-end="h-it.wiki_P8189-20240131114600"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Geagea-20240131114600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-it.wiki_P8189-20240131114600","replies":["c-Geagea-20240131114600-it.wiki_P8189"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240131120000-Geagea-20240131114600","timestamp":"20240131120000"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Geagea-20240131114600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-it.wiki_P8189-20240131114600","replies":["c-Geagea-20240131114600-it.wiki_P8189"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"it.wiki P8189","linkableTitle":"it.wiki P8189"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geagea-20240131114600-it.wiki_P8189"></span>hello Epi, </p><p>Can you help with <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_modulo:Controllo_di_autorit%C3%A0#P8189" class="extiw" title="it:Discussioni modulo:Controllo di autorità">this</a>. Thanks in advance. <a href="/wiki/User:Geagea" title="User:Geagea">Geagea</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geagea" title="User talk:Geagea"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Geagea-20240131114600-it.wiki_P8189" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:46, 31 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Geagea-20240131114600-it.wiki_P8189"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240131114600","author":"Geagea","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Geagea-20240131114600-it.wiki_P8189","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240131120000-Geagea-20240131114600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Geagea-20240131114600-it.wiki_P8189"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240131120000-Geagea-20240131114600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Geagea" title="User:Geagea"><bdi>Geagea</bdi></a>: thanks, <span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240131120000-Geagea-20240131114600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240131120000-Geagea-20240131114600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240131120000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240131120000-Geagea-20240131114600","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240131120000-Geagea-20240131114600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Emu-20240204100200","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Susanne_Lackner-20240204100200","replies":["c-Emu-20240204100200-Susanne_Lackner"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Susanne Lackner","linkableTitle":"Susanne Lackner"}--><h2 id="Susanne_Lackner" data-mw-thread-id="h-Susanne_Lackner-20240204100200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Susanne_Lackner-20240204100200"></span>Susanne Lackner<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Susanne_Lackner-20240204100200"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Emu-20240204100200","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Susanne_Lackner-20240204100200","replies":["c-Emu-20240204100200-Susanne_Lackner"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240204120500-Emu-20240204100500","timestamp":"20240204120500"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Emu-20240204100200","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Susanne_Lackner-20240204100200","replies":["c-Emu-20240204100200-Susanne_Lackner"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Susanne Lackner","linkableTitle":"Susanne Lackner"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emu-20240204100200-Susanne_Lackner"></span>Hi, are you sure about <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q121769760&diff=prev&oldid=2068680757">this edit</a>? The entry was probably created for <i>Media law enforcement without frontiers</i> so it’s really about the lawyer not the philologist. --<a href="/wiki/User:Emu" title="User:Emu">Emu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emu" title="User talk:Emu"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Emu-20240204100200-Susanne_Lackner" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emu-20240204100200-Susanne_Lackner"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240204100200","author":"Emu","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Emu-20240204100200-Susanne_Lackner","replies":["c-Emu-20240204100500-Emu-20240204100200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emu-20240204100200-Susanne_Lackner"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Emu-20240204100500-Emu-20240204100200"></span>Also, I find it highly unlikely that <a href="/wiki/Q121769760" title="Q121769760">Susanne Lackner <small>(Q121769760)</small></a> is identical to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://vzv.info/vertalers/susanne-findenegg-lackner/">Susanne Findenegg-Lackner</a>. The DBC 87097968597137 link doesn’t fit at all either. I think the VIAF is just highly inflated. --<a href="/wiki/User:Emu" title="User:Emu">Emu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emu" title="User talk:Emu"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Emu-20240204100500-Emu-20240204100200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Emu-20240204100500-Emu-20240204100200"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240204100500","author":"Emu","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Emu-20240204100500-Emu-20240204100200","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240204120500-Emu-20240204100500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Emu-20240204100500-Emu-20240204100200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240204120500-Emu-20240204100500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Emu" title="User:Emu"><bdi>Emu</bdi></a>: thanks for writing me; yes, PLWABN effectively belonged to <a href="/wiki/Q121769760" title="Q121769760">Susanne Lackner <small>(Q121769760)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Austrian jurist</span></small>, I restored it; and so the VIAF cluster is conflated, I marked it as such, and DBC is surely another person (removed); as for the identification of Susanne Findenegg-Lackner with <a href="/wiki/Q121769760" title="Q121769760">Susanne Lackner <small>(Q121769760)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Austrian jurist</span></small>, it is supported by BNF and I think it is not so unlikely (GND and BNF agree about Diss. phil. Nijwegen, 2002 - so she probably knows Dutch - and about the fact that she is a translator), I would keep it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240204120500-Emu-20240204100500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240204120500-Emu-20240204100500"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240204120500","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240204120500-Emu-20240204100500","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240204120500-Emu-20240204100500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-31.200.16.100-20240205154000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Merge_request-20240205154000","replies":["c-31.200.16.100-20240205154000-Merge_request"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Merge request","linkableTitle":"Merge request"}--><h2 id="Merge_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge_request-20240205154000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merge_request-20240205154000"></span>Merge request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merge_request-20240205154000"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-31.200.16.100-20240205154000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Merge_request-20240205154000","replies":["c-31.200.16.100-20240205154000-Merge_request"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240205201500-31.200.16.100-20240205154000","timestamp":"20240205201500"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-31.200.16.100-20240205154000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Merge_request-20240205154000","replies":["c-31.200.16.100-20240205154000-Merge_request"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Merge request","linkableTitle":"Merge request"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-31.200.16.100-20240205154000-Merge_request"></span>Hello. </p><p>The Wikidata page of "Petr Janiš" (<a href="/wiki/Q95392172" title="Q95392172">Q95392172</a>) and the Wikidata page of "Petr Janiš" (<a href="/wiki/Q95773157" class="mw-redirect" title="Q95773157">Q95773157</a>), are about the same Czech actor born im 1951, and need to be merged. </p><p>Yours sincerely, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/31.200.16.100" title="Special:Contributions/31.200.16.100">31.200.16.100</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-31.200.16.100-20240205154000-Merge_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-31.200.16.100-20240205154000-Merge_request"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240205154000","author":"31.200.16.100","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-31.200.16.100-20240205154000-Merge_request","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240205201500-31.200.16.100-20240205154000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-31.200.16.100-20240205154000-Merge_request"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240205201500-31.200.16.100-20240205154000"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240205201500-31.200.16.100-20240205154000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240205201500-31.200.16.100-20240205154000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240205201500","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240205201500-31.200.16.100-20240205154000","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240205201500-31.200.16.100-20240205154000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240205221000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-K._Samos-20240205221000","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240205221000-K._Samos"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"K. Samos","linkableTitle":"K. Samos"}--><h2 id="K._Samos" data-mw-thread-id="h-K._Samos-20240205221000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-K._Samos-20240205221000"></span>K. Samos<span data-mw-comment-end="h-K._Samos-20240205221000"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240205221000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-K._Samos-20240205221000","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240205221000-K._Samos"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Kolja21-20240205235000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240205230100","timestamp":"20240205235000"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240205221000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-K._Samos-20240205221000","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240205221000-K._Samos"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"K. Samos","linkableTitle":"K. Samos"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240205221000-K._Samos"></span>Hi Epìdosis, any idea who this artist could be? <a href="/wiki/Q124433074" class="mw-redirect" title="Q124433074">Samo Koler <small>(Q124433074)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">painter (1909-1988)</span></small>: </p> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.kubi-koeln.de/portal/databases/id/uni/titles/id/991032538719706476.html">K. Samos: Ausstellung dal 31 maggio al 10 giugno 1958</a>. Galleria d'Arte La Maggiolina. Alessandria 1958</li></ul> <p>I didn't find him/her in AKL online. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240205221000-K._Samos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240205221000-K._Samos"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240205221000","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240205221000-K._Samos","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240205230100-Kolja21-20240205221000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240205221000-K._Samos"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240205230100-Kolja21-20240205221000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: thanks to a hint by SBN I found a sure identification (also in AKL): <a href="/wiki/Q94491525" title="Q94491525">Samo Koler <small>(Q94491525)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">painter (1909-1988)</span></small>. Doing these difficult researchers is always very interesting, thanks! Good night, --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240205230100-Kolja21-20240205221000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240205230100-Kolja21-20240205221000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240205230100","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240205230100-Kolja21-20240205221000","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240205235000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240205230100"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240205230100-Kolja21-20240205221000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240205235000-Epìdosis-20240205230100"></span>Impressive. Thanks! --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240205235000-Epìdosis-20240205230100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240205235000-Epìdosis-20240205230100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240205235000","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240205235000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240205230100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240205235000-Epìdosis-20240205230100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240214202600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Domenico_Gottardi-20240214202600","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240214202600-Domenico_Gottardi"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Domenico Gottardi","linkableTitle":"Domenico Gottardi"}--><h2 id="Domenico_Gottardi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Domenico_Gottardi-20240214202600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Domenico_Gottardi-20240214202600"></span>Domenico Gottardi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Domenico_Gottardi-20240214202600"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240214202600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Domenico_Gottardi-20240214202600","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240214202600-Domenico_Gottardi"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Kolja21-20240214214300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240214210200","timestamp":"20240214214300"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240214202600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Domenico_Gottardi-20240214202600","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240214202600-Domenico_Gottardi"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Domenico Gottardi","linkableTitle":"Domenico Gottardi"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240214202600-Domenico_Gottardi"></span>Hi Epìdosis, any idea who the 18th century author <a href="/wiki/Q124538070" title="Q124538070">Domenico Gottardi <small>(Q124538070)</small></a> could be? Priest and/or historian? He is not mentioned in WBIS. Listed titles (GND): </p> <ul><li><i>Compendio della vita di S. Rainaldo, prima vescovo di Vicenza poi arcivescovo di Ravenna</i> (1789)</li> <li><i>Memorie storiche di S. Rainaldo Concoregio arcivescovo di Ravenna</i> (1790)</li> <li><i>Daciana diaconessa</i> (1792)</li></ul> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240214202600-Domenico_Gottardi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 14 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240214202600-Domenico_Gottardi"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240214202600","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240214202600-Domenico_Gottardi","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240214210200-Kolja21-20240214202600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240214202600-Domenico_Gottardi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240214210200-Kolja21-20240214202600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: priest and historian; I found an entire death announce of 1794 with 5 pages of biography. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240214210200-Kolja21-20240214202600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240214210200-Kolja21-20240214202600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240214210200","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240214210200-Kolja21-20240214202600","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240214214300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240214210200"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240214210200-Kolja21-20240214202600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240214214300-Epìdosis-20240214210200"></span>Perfect. I have updated GND 1157640575 accordingly. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240214214300-Epìdosis-20240214210200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240214214300-Epìdosis-20240214210200"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240214214300","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240214214300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240214210200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240214214300-Epìdosis-20240214210200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Difool-20240218042800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-VIAF-20240218042800","replies":["c-Difool-20240218042800-VIAF"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"VIAF","linkableTitle":"VIAF"}--><h2 id="VIAF" data-mw-thread-id="h-VIAF-20240218042800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-VIAF-20240218042800"></span>VIAF<span data-mw-comment-end="h-VIAF-20240218042800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Difool-20240218042800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-VIAF-20240218042800","replies":["c-Difool-20240218042800-VIAF"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240218094400-Difool-20240218042800","timestamp":"20240218094400"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Difool-20240218042800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-VIAF-20240218042800","replies":["c-Difool-20240218042800-VIAF"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"VIAF","linkableTitle":"VIAF"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Difool-20240218042800-VIAF"></span>Hi Epìdosis, DifoolBot has now run through all usable VIAF name authority files: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1280" title="Property:P1280">CONOR.SI ID <small dir="ltr">(P1280)</small></a> did not yield must result and <a href="/wiki/Property:P3988" title="Property:P3988">National Library Board Singapore ID <small dir="ltr">(P3988)</small></a> contains an old ID that you can't use to query VIAF, see this discussion: <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P3988#2022_updates" title="Property talk:P3988">Property talk:P3988#2022 updates</a>. </p><p>I'll update the bot code so it can run unsupervised through all IDs and to let it handle unusual cases like <a href="/wiki/Q2177740" title="Q2177740">this</a> (VIAF ID: no value) and <a href="/wiki/Q110214222" class="mw-redirect" title="Q110214222">this</a> (no human, pseudonym). In some cases, it was also unnecessary conservative; if VIAF listed multiple IDs (for example <a href="https://viaf.org/viaf/49244779/justlinks.json" class="extiw" title="viaf:49244779/justlinks.json">this one</a> for BNC) it would skip it. I think I'll wait till <a href="/wiki/User:Difool/viaf_already_somewhere" title="User:Difool/viaf already somewhere">User:Difool/viaf already somewhere</a> is mostly emptied and will then run it again. <a href="/wiki/User:Difool" title="User:Difool">Difool</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Difool" title="User talk:Difool"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Difool-20240218042800-VIAF" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:28, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Difool-20240218042800-VIAF"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240218042800","author":"Difool","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Difool-20240218042800-VIAF","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240218094400-Difool-20240218042800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Difool-20240218042800-VIAF"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240218094400-Difool-20240218042800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Difool" title="User:Difool"><bdi>Difool</bdi></a>: perfect, I agree. Once most of the page is solved, it will be good to run the bot again on all cases, in order to see new problematic cases emerging. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240218094400-Difool-20240218042800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:44, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240218094400-Difool-20240218042800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240218094400","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240218094400-Difool-20240218042800","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240218094400-Difool-20240218042800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Difool-20240218071000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Pseudonym-20240218071000","replies":["c-Difool-20240218071000-Pseudonym"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Pseudonym","linkableTitle":"Pseudonym"}--><h2 id="Pseudonym" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pseudonym-20240218071000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pseudonym-20240218071000"></span>Pseudonym<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pseudonym-20240218071000"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Difool-20240218071000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Pseudonym-20240218071000","replies":["c-Difool-20240218071000-Pseudonym"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Difool-20240218155500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240218095000","timestamp":"20240218155500"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Difool-20240218071000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Pseudonym-20240218071000","replies":["c-Difool-20240218071000-Pseudonym"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Pseudonym","linkableTitle":"Pseudonym"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Difool-20240218071000-Pseudonym"></span>How would you handle <a class="external text" href="https://dicare.toolforge.org/wikidata-diff/?qids=Q109854032+Q3938356&language=en">this</a>? The writer <i>and</i> his pseudonym have both a page on BnF and as a result on VIAF too. Would you merge them or keep them separate, same as <a href="/wiki/Q110214222" class="mw-redirect" title="Q110214222">Mark Twain <small>(Q110214222)</small></a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Difool" title="User:Difool">Difool</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Difool" title="User talk:Difool"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Difool-20240218071000-Pseudonym" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Difool-20240218071000-Pseudonym"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240218071000","author":"Difool","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Difool-20240218071000-Pseudonym","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240218095000-Difool-20240218071000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Difool-20240218071000-Pseudonym"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240218095000-Difool-20240218071000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Difool" title="User:Difool"><bdi>Difool</bdi></a>: pseudonyms are one of the most significant problems in the management of our items about humans. Some authority files have a cataloguing policy which prescribes using one ID for each humans, whilst others have a cataloguing policy according to which each name or pseudonym of the same person should have one separate ID. The usual policy on Wikidata, which is not so coherent, is the following: if at least one Wikimedia project has an article for both the human and one of his pseudonyms, the two items are kept separate and interlinked with <a href="/wiki/Property:P460" title="Property:P460">said to be the same as <small dir="ltr">(P460)</small></a>; in all other cases, only one item is kept (with all pseudonyms indicated through <a href="/wiki/Property:P742" title="Property:P742">pseudonym <small dir="ltr">(P742)</small></a> and the multiple identifiers distinguished through <a href="/wiki/Property:P1810" title="Property:P1810">subject named as <small dir="ltr">(P1810)</small></a>). I adopted this second option of the above case, merging the items. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240218095000-Difool-20240218071000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240218095000-Difool-20240218071000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240218095000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240218095000-Difool-20240218071000","replies":["c-Difool-20240218155500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240218095000"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240218095000-Difool-20240218071000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Difool-20240218155500-Epìdosis-20240218095000"></span>Okay, thanks, that's very clear. I'll use that - <a href="/wiki/User:Difool" title="User:Difool">Difool</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Difool" title="User talk:Difool"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Difool-20240218155500-Epìdosis-20240218095000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 18 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Difool-20240218155500-Epìdosis-20240218095000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240218155500","author":"Difool","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Difool-20240218155500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240218095000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Difool-20240218155500-Epìdosis-20240218095000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Wiccio-20240221075000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_\/_Supporto_realizzazione_bot-20240221075000","replies":["c-Wiccio-20240221075000-Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_\/_Supporto_realizzazione_bot"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Gestione delle property di Data in Pedia \/ Supporto realizzazione bot","linkableTitle":"Gestione delle property di Data in Pedia \/ Supporto realizzazione bot"}--><h2 id="Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_/_Supporto_realizzazione_bot" data-mw-thread-id="h-Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_/_Supporto_realizzazione_bot-20240221075000"><span id="Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_.2F_Supporto_realizzazione_bot"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_/_Supporto_realizzazione_bot-20240221075000"></span>Gestione delle property di Data in Pedia / Supporto realizzazione bot<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_/_Supporto_realizzazione_bot-20240221075000"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Wiccio-20240221075000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_\/_Supporto_realizzazione_bot-20240221075000","replies":["c-Wiccio-20240221075000-Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_\/_Supporto_realizzazione_bot"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Wiccio-20240227074700-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240221094200","timestamp":"20240227074700"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Wiccio-20240221075000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_\/_Supporto_realizzazione_bot-20240221075000","replies":["c-Wiccio-20240221075000-Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_\/_Supporto_realizzazione_bot"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Gestione delle property di Data in Pedia \/ Supporto realizzazione bot","linkableTitle":"Gestione delle property di Data in Pedia \/ Supporto realizzazione bot"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wiccio-20240221075000-Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_/_Supporto_realizzazione_bot"></span>Ciao Camillo, non ho ben chiaro se avendomi tu dato il benvenuto ufficiale sulla mia pagina utente sei pertanto divenuto il mio mentore ma, a prescindere da ciò, col fatto che sei l'autore dei video YouTube inerenti Data che ho visionato (peraltro, complimenti, molto chiari e d'aiuto), sarai sicuramente la persona giusta alla quale rivolgere la mia domanda: mi stavo chiedendo, ora che ho creato una property <i>film ID</i> per <a href="/wiki/Q123434360" title="Q123434360">nientepopcorn <small>(Q123434360)</small></a> vorrei inserirlo nel paragrafo dei <i>Collegamenti esterni</i> in Pedia (credo che essendo un sito italiano debba risultare tra i link proposti) ma come viene gestita questo dato in Pedia? Sono giunto al <a class="external text" href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulo:Collegamenti_esterni/Cinema">Modulo:Collegamenti_esterni/Cinema</a> ma è protetto e con il mio account non posso modificarlo. Forse devo chiedere qualche abilitazione? Oppure occorre avere raggiunto un certo numero di edit come mi è stato risposto in passato per una richiesta simile? In quest'ultimo caso sarei compromesso (vedasi la mia introduzione nella mia pagina utente)!<br/>Dato che la domanda è più inerente Pedia che non Data, torno in topic con una seconda domanda: sto provando a scrivere uno script in Python per un bot col fine di popolare le property di alcuni portali. È la prima volta che mi affaccio a un intervento così tecnico e non mento nel dire che sono stato rimbalzato tra non so quante pagine di Help per installazioni e configurazioni varie. X_X Eventualmente mi dovessi intoppare, come è già successo numerose volte, posso contare sul tuo supporto (<u>in italiano!!!</u>) anziché impiegare giorni e giorni per venirne a capo?! --<a href="/wiki/User:Wiccio" title="User:Wiccio">Wiccio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wiccio" title="User talk:Wiccio"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Wiccio-20240221075000-Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_/_Supporto_realizzazione_bot" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:50, 21 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wiccio-20240221075000-Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_/_Supporto_realizzazione_bot"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240221075000","author":"Wiccio","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wiccio-20240221075000-Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_\/_Supporto_realizzazione_bot","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240221094200-Wiccio-20240221075000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wiccio-20240221075000-Gestione_delle_property_di_Data_in_Pedia_/_Supporto_realizzazione_bot"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240221094200-Wiccio-20240221075000"></span>Ciao @<a href="/wiki/User:Wiccio" title="User:Wiccio"><bdi>Wiccio</bdi></a>:, grazie per le domande! Dunque, l'aggiunta di nuove proprietà al <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Collegamenti_esterni" class="extiw" title="it:Template:Collegamenti esterni">it:Template:Collegamenti esterni</a> viene proposta in <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_template:Collegamenti_esterni" class="extiw" title="it:Discussioni template:Collegamenti esterni">it:Discussioni template:Collegamenti esterni</a> (non ci sono problemi riguardo al numero di edit), possibilmente segnalando la proposta anche al progetto competente (in questo caso <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_progetto:Cinema" class="extiw" title="it:Discussioni progetto:Cinema">it:Discussioni progetto:Cinema</a>); se dopo es. una-due settimane c'è consenso per l'aggiunta, essa viene effettuata da un amministratore (che, in questo caso, modificherebbe appunto <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulo:COllegamenti_esterni/Cinema" class="extiw" title="it:Modulo:COllegamenti esterni/Cinema">it:Modulo:COllegamenti esterni/Cinema</a>), es. io che posso essere pingato e intervengo velocemente. Per quanto riguarda invece programmare bot su Wikidata, confesso di non averne mai programmato uno e di non esserne in grado; penso che la persona migliore per assisterti in italiano sia @<a href="/wiki/User:Horcrux" title="User:Horcrux"><bdi>Horcrux</bdi></a>:, che da anni gestisce ottimamente @<a href="/wiki/User:Botcrux" title="User:Botcrux"><bdi>Botcrux</bdi></a>:. Ti segnalo che, se intendi semplicemente aggiungere una serie di proprietà a degli elementi, è possibile che non ti sia strettamente necessario programmare un bot in Python, ma potrebbe bastarti usare il tool <a href="/wiki/Help:QuickStatements" title="Help:QuickStatements">QuickStatements</a>; su quello sono in grado di aiutarti personalmente, lo uso molto spesso. Per qualunque domanda sono sempre qui a tua disposizione! Buon wiki, --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240221094200-Wiccio-20240221075000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:42, 21 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240221094200-Wiccio-20240221075000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240221094200","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240221094200-Wiccio-20240221075000","replies":["c-Horcrux-20240221115700-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240221094200","c-Wiccio-20240227074700-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240221094200"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240221094200-Wiccio-20240221075000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horcrux-20240221115700-Epìdosis-20240221094200"></span>Ciao! Se dovesse servire una mano con python a portata di ping. --<a href="/wiki/User:Horcrux" title="User:Horcrux">Horcrux</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horcrux" title="User talk:Horcrux"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Horcrux-20240221115700-Epìdosis-20240221094200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:57, 21 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horcrux-20240221115700-Epìdosis-20240221094200"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240221115700","author":"Horcrux","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Horcrux-20240221115700-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240221094200","replies":["c-Wiccio-20240221181200-Horcrux-20240221115700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horcrux-20240221115700-Epìdosis-20240221094200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wiccio-20240221181200-Horcrux-20240221115700"></span>Grazie mille, gentilissimi e disponibilissimi entrambi! Urrà, appena il lavoro e i bimbi mi permettono di dedicarci il dovuto tempo, torno a mettere in pratica quanto mi è stato consigliato! ;-) --<a href="/wiki/User:Wiccio" title="User:Wiccio">Wiccio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wiccio" title="User talk:Wiccio"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Wiccio-20240221181200-Horcrux-20240221115700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wiccio-20240221181200-Horcrux-20240221115700"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240221181200","author":"Wiccio","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Wiccio-20240221181200-Horcrux-20240221115700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wiccio-20240221181200-Horcrux-20240221115700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wiccio-20240227074700-Epìdosis-20240221094200"></span>Ciao @<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis">Epìdosis</a>. Infine ieri ho dato un'occhiata al tool <a href="/wiki/Help:QuickStatements" title="Help:QuickStatements">Help:QuickStatements</a> e ho provato a inserire 3 proprietà all'elemento <a href="/wiki/Q5887360" title="Q5887360">Q5887360</a>, una delle quali una volutamente doppia per testarne il funzionamento. Giustamente, come anche specificato nella pagina di help, per la proprietà già esistente non ha generato un doppione, ottimo! Però devo constatarne che non mi velocizza più di tanto l'inserimento né me lo semplifica. Attualmente, con la procedura d'inserimento manuale, io mi apro su un monitor un'area di lavoro precedentemente configurata e preparata sul mio browser <a class="external text" href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(browser)">Vivaldi</a> mentre sull'altro monitor gestisco l'inserimento su Wikidata. QuickStatements mi "obbliga" a recarmi in ogni caso sulle singole homepage delle proprietà per cercare le stringhe da inserire sul relativo elemento Wikidata. Personalmente starei cercando una procedura più automatizzata che recuperasse da sé queste stringhe. Ti ringrazio tanto per il consiglio e il supporto offertomi ma credo che la realizzazione di un bot, benché al momento io non sappia ancora dire se concretamente fattibile, sia la via migliore da percorrere. In ogni caso sarà un entusiasmante obiettivo! :-) --<a href="/wiki/User:Wiccio" title="User:Wiccio">Wiccio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wiccio" title="User talk:Wiccio"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Wiccio-20240227074700-Epìdosis-20240221094200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wiccio-20240227074700-Epìdosis-20240221094200"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240227074700","author":"Wiccio","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wiccio-20240227074700-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240221094200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wiccio-20240227074700-Epìdosis-20240221094200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Geagea-20240222092800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Duplicates-20240222092800","replies":["c-Geagea-20240222092800-Duplicates"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Duplicates","linkableTitle":"Duplicates"}--><h2 id="Duplicates" data-mw-thread-id="h-Duplicates-20240222092800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Duplicates-20240222092800"></span>Duplicates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Duplicates-20240222092800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Geagea-20240222092800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Duplicates-20240222092800","replies":["c-Geagea-20240222092800-Duplicates"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Geagea-20240225081100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240225055100","timestamp":"20240225081100"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Geagea-20240222092800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Duplicates-20240222092800","replies":["c-Geagea-20240222092800-Duplicates"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Duplicates","linkableTitle":"Duplicates"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geagea-20240222092800-Duplicates"></span>Hello Epì, First, Manually update list of <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P8189/Duplicates" title="Property talk:P8189/Duplicates">Property talk:P8189/Duplicates</a> not working (maybe only for me?). </p><p><br/> secondly, we need some way to mark duplicates that are ok. For example <a href="/wiki/Q20897929" title="Q20897929">zinc mine <small>(Q20897929)</small></a> and <a href="/wiki/Q8072300" title="Q8072300">zinc mining <small>(Q8072300)</small></a> they are both ok with the J9U and LCCN. But there may already be such a marking that I don't know. <a href="/wiki/User:Geagea" title="User:Geagea">Geagea</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geagea" title="User talk:Geagea"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Geagea-20240222092800-Duplicates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:28, 22 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Geagea-20240222092800-Duplicates"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240222092800","author":"Geagea","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Geagea-20240222092800-Duplicates","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240225055100-Geagea-20240222092800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Geagea-20240222092800-Duplicates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240225055100-Geagea-20240222092800"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Geagea" title="User:Geagea"><bdi>Geagea</bdi></a>:, sorry but for some reason I forgot to answer your message before! So, for the update of <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P8189/Duplicates" title="Property talk:P8189/Duplicates">Property talk:P8189/Duplicates</a> I think it's just an issue of Listeria which sometimes is slow in handling manual updates, but it should work anyway (I see the last update on 22 February). For marking cases of items in which the same identifier is effectively shared, the standard way to do it is using qualifier <a href="/wiki/Property:P4070" title="Property:P4070">identifier shared with <small dir="ltr">(P4070)</small></a>; using it is surely a better option than adding a great number of <a href="/wiki/Property:P2303" title="Property:P2303">exception to constraint <small dir="ltr">(P2303)</small></a> to the property itself (as has been done e.g. for <a href="/wiki/Property:P244" title="Property:P244">Library of Congress authority ID <small dir="ltr">(P244)</small></a> unfortunately); I edited <a href="/wiki/Property:P8189" title="Property:P8189">J9U ID <small dir="ltr">(P8189)</small></a> so that items using qualifier P4070 are not marked as constraint violations and I also edited the Listeria in <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P8189/Duplicates" title="Property talk:P8189/Duplicates">Property talk:P8189/Duplicates</a> so that (from the next update) cases marked with P4070 will be excluded from the list. As always, ask me if you have other questions or doubts! <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240225055100-Geagea-20240222092800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:51, 25 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240225055100-Geagea-20240222092800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240225055100","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240225055100-Geagea-20240222092800","replies":["c-Geagea-20240225081100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240225055100"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240225055100-Geagea-20240222092800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geagea-20240225081100-Epìdosis-20240225055100"></span>Thank you very much for the detailed answer. And I agree with you about <a href="/wiki/Property:P2303" title="Property:P2303">exception to constraint <small dir="ltr">(P2303)</small></a> in <a href="/wiki/Property:P244" title="Property:P244">Library of Congress authority ID <small dir="ltr">(P244)</small></a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Geagea" title="User:Geagea">Geagea</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geagea" title="User talk:Geagea"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Geagea-20240225081100-Epìdosis-20240225055100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:11, 25 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Geagea-20240225081100-Epìdosis-20240225055100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240225081100","author":"Geagea","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Geagea-20240225081100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240225055100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Geagea-20240225081100-Epìdosis-20240225055100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240225001700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-John_Davies-20240225001700","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240225001700-John_Davies"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"John Davies","linkableTitle":"John Davies"}--><h2 id="John_Davies" data-mw-thread-id="h-John_Davies-20240225001700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-John_Davies-20240225001700"></span>John Davies<span data-mw-comment-end="h-John_Davies-20240225001700"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240225001700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-John_Davies-20240225001700","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240225001700-John_Davies"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240226101500-Kolja21-20240225001700","timestamp":"20240226101500"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240225001700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-John_Davies-20240225001700","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240225001700-John_Davies"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"John Davies","linkableTitle":"John Davies"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240225001700-John_Davies"></span>Hi Epìdosis, OPAC SBN <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://opac.sbn.it/risultati-autori/-/opac-autori/detail/MILV251069?core=autoriall">Davis, John <1774-1854></a> lists two titles of a namesake: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q15989949" title="Q15989949">John Davies <small>(Q15989949)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">English cleric and academic (1679-1732)</span></small></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q25931190" title="Q25931190">John Davis <small>(Q25931190)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">English seaman, served in the East India Company (1774-1854)</span></small></li></ul> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240225001700-John_Davies" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:17, 25 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240225001700-John_Davies"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240225001700","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240225001700-John_Davies","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240226101500-Kolja21-20240225001700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240225001700-John_Davies"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240226101500-Kolja21-20240225001700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: thanks very much! I fixed them (although it's not yet visible) and I also tried to improve the overall situation of the very complex homonymity "John Davis" (see <a href="/wiki/Q124661956" title="Q124661956">John Davis <small>(Q124661956)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">American art historian (1961-)</span></small> and <a href="/wiki/Q124661875" title="Q124661875">John Davis <small>(Q124661875)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">American political scientist (1962-)</span></small>). --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240226101500-Kolja21-20240225001700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240226101500-Kolja21-20240225001700"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240226101500","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240226101500-Kolja21-20240225001700","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240226101500-Kolja21-20240225001700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-VIAF_e_ISNI_da_BeWeB-20240308130800","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800-VIAF_e_ISNI_da_BeWeB"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"VIAF e ISNI da BeWeB","linkableTitle":"VIAF e ISNI da BeWeB"}--><h2 id="VIAF_e_ISNI_da_BeWeB" data-mw-thread-id="h-VIAF_e_ISNI_da_BeWeB-20240308130800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-VIAF_e_ISNI_da_BeWeB-20240308130800"></span>VIAF e ISNI da BeWeB<span data-mw-comment-end="h-VIAF_e_ISNI_da_BeWeB-20240308130800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-VIAF_e_ISNI_da_BeWeB-20240308130800","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800-VIAF_e_ISNI_da_BeWeB"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240318121800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318115900","timestamp":"20240318121800"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__8__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-VIAF_e_ISNI_da_BeWeB-20240308130800","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800-VIAF_e_ISNI_da_BeWeB"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"VIAF e ISNI da BeWeB","linkableTitle":"VIAF e ISNI da BeWeB"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800-VIAF_e_ISNI_da_BeWeB"></span>Ciao Epi, grazie per il lavoro che stai faciendo pullendo le vari ISNI e VIAF! Tuttavia alcune avevano come fonti la loro utilisazione fra BeWeB (<a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/2096856706" title="Special:Diff/2096856706">esempio</a>) e penso che si dovrebbeno conservare finchè BeWeB vienne corretto (cio chè non so sè verra fatto). Forse tu o altri membri del GWMAB hanno contatto con loro? --<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800-VIAF_e_ISNI_da_BeWeB" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:08, 8 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800-VIAF_e_ISNI_da_BeWeB"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240308130800","author":"Jahl de Vautban","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800-VIAF_e_ISNI_da_BeWeB","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240308134000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800-VIAF_e_ISNI_da_BeWeB"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240308134000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban"><bdi>Jahl de Vautban</bdi></a>: sì, abbiamo un contatto con BeWeb (tramite @<a href="/wiki/User:Bargioni" title="User:Bargioni"><bdi>Bargioni</bdi></a>:) e siamo riusciti già a far correggere vari errori; quello che sto facendo al momento è segnalare i casi all'ISNI tramite la loro interfaccia di segnalazione errori, che nel complesso funziona bene; in circa 2-3 giorni lavorativi risolvono in modo quasi sempre soddisfacente i problemi segnalati, l'unico problema è che non mi notificano che il problema è stato risolto, quindi devo ripassare io a controllare. La speranza è che sistemare ISNI possa influenzare positivamente il VIAF, anche se sul VIAF continuiamo a non avere alcun controllo diretto. Sto togliendo gli ISNI errati di BeWeb perché più che altro aggiungono ulteriore confusione alla già intricatissima situazione di ISNI, che spesso fa conflazioni assurde; l'import da BeWeb fu fatto <i>una tantum</i> e non ne dovrebbero essere in programma altri; se tuttavia venisse fatto un altro import da BeWeb, ne dovrei venire a conoscenza in anticipo e chiederei in ogni caso di applicare la policy già usata con molto successo da Difool per gli import legati al VIAF (ossia raccogliere in una pagina di segnalazioni come <a href="/wiki/User:Difool/viaf_already_somewhere" title="User:Difool/viaf already somewhere">User:Difool/viaf already somewhere</a> l'ISNI che BeWeb attribuisce ad A ma già presenti in B), così che poi si potrebbe usare tale pagina per segnalare in blocco a BeWeb un bel gruppo di ISNI da correggere. Quindi appunto, la mia idea è che il rischio di reimport da BeWeb è basso e che, se ci sarà un reimport, si potrà adottare la strategia di "una pagina con lista dei casi problematici" per poi usare tale pagina per segnalre tutto a BeWeb stesso (più comodo che non mandare tante piccole segnalazioni su una miriade di ISNI errati, soprattutto per autori antichi). Cosa ne pensi? --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240308134000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC)</a> P.S. Ho già fatto correggere almeno una ventina di ISNI di autori antichi e sto procedendo nei momenti liberi: segnalo a ISNI e poi ci torno su dopo tre o quattro giorni per vedere che abbiano corretto bene e per aggiungere i nuovi ISNI a Wikidata (per questo mi vedi aggiungere un po' di ISNI ad autori antichi e bizantini negli ultimi giorni)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240308134000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240308134000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240308134000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308162100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240308134000"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240308134000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308130800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308162100-Epìdosis-20240308134000"></span>Grazie per la segnalazione che i riporti a ISNI funzionano anche sensa risposta dalla loro parte; ne avevo segnalato alcune e effetivamente sono state risolte. Continuero a farli!</dd> <dd>Per BeWeB il mio problema è chè nel frattempo di questo ipotetico reimport, le dati non vengono correte e tuto il nuostro lavoro di curazione viene perduto. Mi sembra che uno più esperto che me in SPARQL pottrebe migliora una query di <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://w.wiki/9QUN">questo genere</a> aggiungendo l'etichetta delle dichiariazione sbagliata, l'etichetta della dichiarazione giusta e che l'esporto del tutto pottrebe essere mandato ogni periodo di tempo a definire a BeWeB per correzione. Al momento ci sono già una trentina di correzione possibile su nove properties differente (non avendo verificato che tutte sono da fare), mi pare già un bel po. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308162100-Epìdosis-20240308134000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308162100-Epìdosis-20240308134000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240308162100","author":"Jahl de Vautban","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308162100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240308134000","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240308170600-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308162100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308162100-Epìdosis-20240308134000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240308170600-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308162100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban"><bdi>Jahl de Vautban</bdi></a>: sì comprendo perfettamente e mi pare una preoccupazione molto giusta. Ho modificato un po' la query (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://w.wiki/9QVy">https://w.wiki/9QVy</a>) e @<a href="/wiki/User:Bargioni" title="User:Bargioni"><bdi>Bargioni</bdi></a>: prova a inviarla a BeWeb, così che correggano i dati errati e poi (dopo averli corretti) rimuovano le dichiarazioni deprecate da Wikidata; spero che la mossa possa avere successo. Cerco di recuperare a mano gli ISNI che ho rimosso negli ultimi giorni e di mandarglieli un mail separata. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240308170600-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308162100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240308170600-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308162100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240308170600","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240308170600-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308162100","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308180100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240308170600"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240308170600-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308162100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308180100-Epìdosis-20240308170600"></span>Grazie per la query migliorata, sono riuscito a aggiungere anche la dichiarizione giusta: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://w.wiki/9QXY">https://w.wiki/9QXY</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308180100-Epìdosis-20240308170600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308180100-Epìdosis-20240308170600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240308180100","author":"Jahl de Vautban","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308180100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240308170600","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240315191400-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308180100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308180100-Epìdosis-20240308170600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240315191400-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308180100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban"><bdi>Jahl de Vautban</bdi></a>: Abbiamo mandato a BeWeb sia la query con tutti gli errori (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://w.wiki/9QXY">https://w.wiki/9QXY</a>) sia, a parte, una lista degli ISNI errati (compresi quelli che avevo già rimosso). <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240315191400-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308180100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 15 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240315191400-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308180100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240315191400","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240315191400-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308180100","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318115900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240315191400"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240315191400-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240308180100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240318115900-Epìdosis-20240315191400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban"><bdi>Jahl de Vautban</bdi></a>: gli ISNI errati che avevo segnalato a parte sono stati corretti in BeWeb :) <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240318115900-Epìdosis-20240315191400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240318115900-Epìdosis-20240315191400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240318115900","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318115900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240315191400","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240318121800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318115900"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240318115900-Epìdosis-20240315191400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240318121800-Epìdosis-20240318115900"></span>Ottimo, grazie! --<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240318121800-Epìdosis-20240318115900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240318121800-Epìdosis-20240318115900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240318121800","author":"Jahl de Vautban","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240318121800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318115900","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240318121800-Epìdosis-20240318115900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Geagea-20240314225100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Q16105430-20240314225100","replies":["c-Geagea-20240314225100-Q16105430"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Q16105430","linkableTitle":"Q16105430"}--><h2 id="Q16105430" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q16105430-20240314225100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Q16105430-20240314225100"></span>Q16105430<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Q16105430-20240314225100"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Geagea-20240314225100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Q16105430-20240314225100","replies":["c-Geagea-20240314225100-Q16105430"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Geagea-20240315113300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240315091000","timestamp":"20240315113300"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Geagea-20240314225100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Q16105430-20240314225100","replies":["c-Geagea-20240314225100-Q16105430"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Q16105430","linkableTitle":"Q16105430"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geagea-20240314225100-Q16105430"></span>Hello Epì </p><p>I want to give the statement <span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q16105430" title="Q16105430">Moussa B. H. Youdim <small>(Q16105430)</small></a></b><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P569" title="Property:P569">date of birth <small>(P569)</small></a></span><span class="object">28 February 1940</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> preferred rank according to <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Talk:Q16105430#birth_date">the rational I have expressed in the item's talk page</a>. Do we have some kind of <a href="/wiki/Q27949697" title="Q27949697">Wikibase reason for deprecated rank <small>(Q27949697)</small></a> that says lets say: 'see talk page' or something like that. <a href="/wiki/User:Geagea" title="User:Geagea">Geagea</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geagea" title="User talk:Geagea"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Geagea-20240314225100-Q16105430" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 14 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Geagea-20240314225100-Q16105430"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240314225100","author":"Geagea","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Geagea-20240314225100-Q16105430","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240315091000-Geagea-20240314225100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Geagea-20240314225100-Q16105430"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240315091000-Geagea-20240314225100"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Geagea" title="User:Geagea"><bdi>Geagea</bdi></a>:, thanks for the question. In items we usually don't use statements, qualifiers or references referring to something in Wikidata outside the items themselves, because the structured data should be complete in themselves; I think that in this case <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P7452" title="Property:P7452">reason for preferred rank <small>(P7452)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q97479954" title="Q97479954">source considered most trustworthy <small>(Q97479954)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> is a good option (I have added also another good source supporting 28/02/1940, which reinforces the statement). Bye! --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240315091000-Geagea-20240314225100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240315091000-Geagea-20240314225100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240315091000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240315091000-Geagea-20240314225100","replies":["c-Geagea-20240315113300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240315091000"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240315091000-Geagea-20240314225100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geagea-20240315113300-Epìdosis-20240315091000"></span>Thanks, that was helpful <a href="/wiki/User:Geagea" title="User:Geagea">Geagea</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geagea" title="User talk:Geagea"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Geagea-20240315113300-Epìdosis-20240315091000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:33, 15 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Geagea-20240315113300-Epìdosis-20240315091000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240315113300","author":"Geagea","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Geagea-20240315113300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240315091000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Geagea-20240315113300-Epìdosis-20240315091000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kholoudsaa-20240317143300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop-20240317143300","replies":["c-Kholoudsaa-20240317143300-Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Invitation to participate in the WQT UI requirements elicitation online workshop","linkableTitle":"Invitation to participate in the WQT UI requirements elicitation online workshop"}--><h2 id="Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop" data-mw-thread-id="h-Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop-20240317143300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop-20240317143300"></span>Invitation to participate in the WQT UI requirements elicitation online workshop<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop-20240317143300"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kholoudsaa-20240317143300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop-20240317143300","replies":["c-Kholoudsaa-20240317143300-Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Kholoudsaa-20240317143300-Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop","timestamp":"20240317143300"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kholoudsaa-20240317143300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop-20240317143300","replies":["c-Kholoudsaa-20240317143300-Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Invitation to participate in the WQT UI requirements elicitation online workshop","linkableTitle":"Invitation to participate in the WQT UI requirements elicitation online workshop"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kholoudsaa-20240317143300-Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop"></span>Dear Epìdosis, </p><p>I hope you are doing well, </p><p>We are a group of researchers from King’s College London working on developing WQT (Wikidata Quality Toolkit), which will support a diverse set of editors in curating and validating Wikidata content. </p><p>We are inviting you to participate in an online workshop aimed at understanding the requirements for designing effective and easy-to-use user interfaces (UI) for three tools within WQT that can support the daily activities of Wikidata editors: recommending items to edit based on their personal preferences, finding items that need better references, and generating entity schemas automatically for better item quality. </p><p>The main activity during this workshop will be UI mockup sketching. To facilitate this, we encourage you to attend the workshop using a tablet or laptop with PowerPoint installed or any other drawing tools you prefer. This will allow for a more interactive and productive session as we delve into the UI mockup sketching activities. </p><p>Participation is completely voluntary. You should only take part if you want to and choosing not to take part will not disadvantage you in any way. However, your cooperation will be valuable for the WQT design. Please note that all data and responses collected during the workshop will be used solely for the purpose of improving the WQT and understanding editor requirements. We will analyze the results in an anonymized form, ensuring your privacy is protected. Personal information will be kept confidential and will be deleted once it has served its purpose in this research. </p><p>The online workshop, which will be held on April 5th, should take no more than 3 hours. </p><p>If you agree to participate in this workshop, please either contact me at kholoud.alghamdi@kcl.ac.uk or use this form to register your interest <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://forms.office.com/e/9mrE8rXZVg">https://forms.office.com/e/9mrE8rXZVg</a> Then, I will contact you with all the instructions for the workshop. </p><p>For more information about my project, please read this page: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://king-s-knowledge-graph-lab.github.io/WikidataQualityToolkit/">https://king-s-knowledge-graph-lab.github.io/WikidataQualityToolkit/</a> </p><p>If you have further questions or require more information, don't hesitate to contact me at the email address mentioned above. </p><p>Thank you for considering taking part in this project. </p><p>Regards <a href="/wiki/User:Kholoudsaa" title="User:Kholoudsaa">Kholoudsaa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kholoudsaa" title="User talk:Kholoudsaa"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kholoudsaa-20240317143300-Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kholoudsaa-20240317143300-Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240317143300","author":"Kholoudsaa","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kholoudsaa-20240317143300-Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kholoudsaa-20240317143300-Invitation_to_participate_in_the_WQT_UI_requirements_elicitation_online_workshop"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jonathan_Gro\u00df-20240311151800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers-20240311151800","replies":["c-Jonathan_Gro\u00df-20240311151800-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers","c-Jonathan_Gro\u00df-20240320062600-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"SPARQL query for qualifiers","linkableTitle":"SPARQL query for qualifiers"}--><h2 id="SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers" data-mw-thread-id="h-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers-20240311151800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers-20240311151800"></span>SPARQL query for qualifiers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers-20240311151800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jonathan_Gro\u00df-20240311151800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers-20240311151800","replies":["c-Jonathan_Gro\u00df-20240311151800-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers","c-Jonathan_Gro\u00df-20240320062600-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Jonathan_Gro\u00df-20240320062600-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers","timestamp":"20240320062600"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jonathan_Gro\u00df-20240311151800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers-20240311151800","replies":["c-Jonathan_Gro\u00df-20240311151800-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers","c-Jonathan_Gro\u00df-20240320062600-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"SPARQL query for qualifiers","linkableTitle":"SPARQL query for qualifiers"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonathan_Groß-20240311151800-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers"></span>Ciao Epìdosis! I am trying to create a query that lists all items with a <a href="/wiki/Q122984724" title="Q122984724">Rahlfs catalog <small>(Q122984724)</small></a>, that is, all items with a <a href="/wiki/Property:P528" title="Property:P528">catalog code <small dir="ltr">(P528)</small></a> statement (regardless of value) that has a qualifier <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P972" title="Property:P972">catalog <small>(P972)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q122984724" title="Q122984724">Rahlfs catalog <small>(Q122984724)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130">. The query builder currently has no feature to search qualifiers. Do you know a magic trick? Many thanks in advance, <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User:Jonathan Groß">Jonathan Groß</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User talk:Jonathan Groß"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jonathan_Groß-20240311151800-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 11 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonathan_Groß-20240311151800-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240311151800","author":"Jonathan Gro\u00df","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jonathan_Gro\u00df-20240311151800-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240311175100-Jonathan_Gro\u00df-20240311151800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonathan_Groß-20240311151800-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240311175100-Jonathan_Groß-20240311151800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User:Jonathan Groß"><bdi>Jonathan Groß</bdi></a>: sure, very easy:</dd></dl> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1502159272">.mw-parser-output .wdt-sparql-container-collapsible{border:1px solid #BBBBBB}.mw-parser-output .wdt-sparql-container-collapsible pre{margin-top:2px}</style><div class="wdt-sparql-container"><div><div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-sparql mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="c">#title:Manuscripts in Rahlfs catalogue</span> <span class="k">SELECT</span> <span class="nv">?item</span> <span class="nv">?itemLabel</span> <span class="nv">?n</span> <span class="k">WHERE</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="nv">?item</span> <span class="nn">p</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P528</span> <span class="nv">?st</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="nv">?st</span> <span class="nn">ps</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P528</span> <span class="nv">?n</span> <span class="p">;</span> <span class="nn">pq</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P972</span> <span class="nn">wd</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">Q122984724</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="k">SERVICE</span> <span class="nn">wikibase</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">label</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="nn">bd</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">serviceParam</span> <span class="nn">wikibase</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">language</span> <span class="s">"[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en"</span><span class="p">.</span> <span class="p">}</span> <span class="p">}</span> <span class="k">ORDER BY</span> <span class="nv">?n</span> </pre></div></div><a class="external text" href="https://query.wikidata.org/#%23title%3AManuscripts%20in%20Rahlfs%20catalogue%0ASELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fn%0AWHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP528%20%3Fst%20.%0A%20%20%3Fst%20ps%3AP528%20%3Fn%20%3B%20pq%3AP972%20wd%3AQ122984724%20.%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20%3Fn">Manuscripts in Rahlfs catalogue</a> </div> <dl><dd>Good evening, --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240311175100-Jonathan_Groß-20240311151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240311175100-Jonathan_Groß-20240311151800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240311175100","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240311175100-Jonathan_Gro\u00df-20240311151800","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240311175100-Jonathan_Groß-20240311151800"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonathan_Groß-20240320062600-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers"></span>Thank you so much! <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User:Jonathan Groß">Jonathan Groß</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User talk:Jonathan Groß"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jonathan_Groß-20240320062600-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonathan_Groß-20240320062600-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320062600","author":"Jonathan Gro\u00df","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jonathan_Gro\u00df-20240320062600-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonathan_Groß-20240320062600-SPARQL_query_for_qualifiers"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Pallor-20240313234800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Worldcat_deletions-20240313234800","replies":["c-Pallor-20240313234800-Worldcat_deletions"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Worldcat deletions","linkableTitle":"Worldcat deletions"}--><h2 id="Worldcat_deletions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Worldcat_deletions-20240313234800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Worldcat_deletions-20240313234800"></span>Worldcat deletions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Worldcat_deletions-20240313234800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Pallor-20240313234800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Worldcat_deletions-20240313234800","replies":["c-Pallor-20240313234800-Worldcat_deletions"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Pallor-20240331003800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240330201000","timestamp":"20240331003800"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__12__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Pallor-20240313234800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Worldcat_deletions-20240313234800","replies":["c-Pallor-20240313234800-Worldcat_deletions"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Worldcat deletions","linkableTitle":"Worldcat deletions"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pallor-20240313234800-Worldcat_deletions"></span>Dear Epidosis! I'm not sure <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q56219214&curid=56161620&diff=2101066054&oldid=2093645926">these are correct edits</a> <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q996164&diff=prev&oldid=2101196548">2</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q850638&diff=prev&oldid=2101161006">3</a> etc. ... Why are they needed? <a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor">Pallor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pallor" title="User talk:Pallor"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Pallor-20240313234800-Worldcat_deletions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pallor-20240313234800-Worldcat_deletions"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240313234800","author":"Pallor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pallor-20240313234800-Worldcat_deletions","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240314082400-Pallor-20240313234800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pallor-20240313234800-Worldcat_deletions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240314082400-Pallor-20240313234800"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor"><bdi>Pallor</bdi></a>:, thanks for the question. I have answered in <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Edit_groups/QSv2/226272" title="Wikidata:Edit groups/QSv2/226272">Wikidata:Edit groups/QSv2/226272</a> to a similar one. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240314082400-Pallor-20240313234800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:24, 14 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240314082400-Pallor-20240313234800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240314082400","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240314082400-Pallor-20240313234800","replies":["c-Pallor-20240314093300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240314082400"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240314082400-Pallor-20240313234800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pallor-20240314093300-Epìdosis-20240314082400"></span>Hmmm... I don't know. <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q996164&diff=prev&oldid=2101196548">Here, for example</a>, it would have been particularly useful if the Worldcat ID had been preserved. There was no deception involved, it was the exact link that led to the WCE ID. If I didn't have the item on my watchlist, I would have lost a helpful connection right now.</dd> <dd>I've been following the <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Properties_for_deletion/P7859" title="Wikidata:Properties for deletion/P7859">P7859 deletion discussion</a> closely, and I see that there is absolutely no consensus on deleting these identifiers. Personally, I'm of the opinion that the P7859 data should remain until the new <a href="/wiki/Property:P10832" title="Property:P10832">WorldCat Entities ID <small dir="ltr">(P10832)</small></a> IDs roll out, but the current workflow you're doing goes against that. <a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor">Pallor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pallor" title="User talk:Pallor"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Pallor-20240314093300-Epìdosis-20240314082400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:33, 14 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pallor-20240314093300-Epìdosis-20240314082400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240314093300","author":"Pallor","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Pallor-20240314093300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240314082400","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240314103000-Pallor-20240314093300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pallor-20240314093300-Epìdosis-20240314082400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240314103000-Pallor-20240314093300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor"><bdi>Pallor</bdi></a>: I agree that in P7859 deletion discussion there is no consensus to delete P7859 values until P10832 values are added to the items containing them; however, as I said, I think that: 1) we should not risk to import new P10832 on the basis of P7859 that could well have been wrong from the beginning (since they were imported on the basis of P214 values which have now been removed from the respective items) and 2) we can anyway import P10832 values directly from P214 and P244 values (example: since <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n94087312/">https://worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n94087312/</a> redirects to <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://id.oclc.org/worldcat/entity/E39PBJqQyJcTGCdfPq8FvfhWDq">https://id.oclc.org/worldcat/entity/E39PBJqQyJcTGCdfPq8FvfhWDq</a> we can reach the first both through the value of P7859 <i>lccn-n94087312</i> using formatter <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://worldcat.org/identities/$1/">https://worldcat.org/identities/$1/</a> and through the value of P244 <i>n94087312</i> using formatter <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://worldcat.org/identities/lccn-$1/">https://worldcat.org/identities/lccn-$1/</a>, the difference being that the correctness of the presence of P244 in the item is not problematic, whilst the value of P7859 is possibly risky because it derived from a P214 value already removed from the item). Summarizing: with the goal of adding precise values of P10832 to the items, I think it is important to avoid the risk of using wrong values of P7859 as sources, although this could also cut down a certain percentage of good IDs (but checking all of them manually would be impossible).</dd> <dd>I have already expressed this reasoning in <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Properties_for_deletion/P7859" title="Wikidata:Properties for deletion/P7859">Wikidata:Properties for deletion/P7859</a> on 3 June 2023 and it didn't receive negative replies, so on this basis I sometimes run cleaning batches based on the same principle (i.e. if P7859 is imported on the basis of a P214 not present anymore in the item, it is risky to retain P7859 since it could have been originally wrong and thus lead to a wrong import of P10832). Of course these batches, in order to cut a few wrong P7859 values, surely cut also many good ones; if we judge, instead, that it is better keeping also a certain (difficult to calculate) percentage of wrong P7859 in order not to lose a probably higher percentage of P7859 values, I will of course not do future similar batches. It is just a metter of keeping a few wrong values with more good ones, or remove them all to be more careful. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240314103000-Pallor-20240314093300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240314103000-Pallor-20240314093300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240314103000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240314103000-Pallor-20240314093300","replies":["c-Pallor-20240317212900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240314103000"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240314103000-Pallor-20240314093300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pallor-20240317212900-Epìdosis-20240314103000"></span>The thing is, in this series of deletions, there were three entries where the link to the entity identifier was correct, but it was lost because you deleted P7859. Fortunately, I was able to restore the relationship because I had the affected items in my watchlist and I could retrieve them based on the previous relationship.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>We have put a lot of effort into linking Hungarian persons to P10832 (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://w.wiki/7ArJ">currently most P10832s are still</a>) in the Hungarian citizens element), I have personally linked hundreds of elements (e. g. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/215852">[1]</a>) and my impression is that 99% of the P7859 lccn links point to the correct location. The concern you reported is not real in practice, I can't substantiate it.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>However, of the items on my watch list, there were more than 20% from which you deleted the P7859 link, even though the link pointed to the right place, making it difficult to establish a subsequent link with your editing. This makes it clear to me not to support any deletion mechanism for the time being, and to ask you not to delete property P7859 at all until there is community consensus to do so.<br/></dd> <dd>The proposed solution you have outlined is a significant detour, and since we know that a flawless database does not exist, if we include a third affected database, we essentially increase the possibility of errors.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Otherwise, regardless of the above, I support the deletion of P7859 once all affected elements have been assigned a P10832 identifier, but this should not be done along ad hoc decisions or flawed concepts, but based on a broader consensus.consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor">Pallor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pallor" title="User talk:Pallor"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Pallor-20240317212900-Epìdosis-20240314103000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pallor-20240317212900-Epìdosis-20240314103000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240317212900","author":"Pallor","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Pallor-20240317212900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240314103000","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318074900-Pallor-20240317212900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pallor-20240317212900-Epìdosis-20240314103000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240318074900-Pallor-20240317212900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor"><bdi>Pallor</bdi></a>: OK, basically you think that among the removed values the percentage of good ones overwhelmingly outnumbered the percentage of wrong ones; it is difficult to measure it (as we agree), but I very much hope you are right; as I said, I ran this batch since the previous ones that I ran in June 2023 on the basis of the same reasoning (i.e. if P7859 is imported on the basis of a P214 not present anymore in the item, it is risky to retain P7859 since it could have been originally wrong and thus lead to a wrong import of P10832) didn't receive objections; on the basis of this objection, I will undo the 3 batches I recently ran (<a class="external free" href="https://editgroups.toolforge.org/b/QSv2/226272/">https://editgroups.toolforge.org/b/QSv2/226272/</a>, <a class="external free" href="https://editgroups.toolforge.org/b/QSv2/226273/">https://editgroups.toolforge.org/b/QSv2/226273/</a>, <a class="external free" href="https://editgroups.toolforge.org/b/QSv2/226306/">https://editgroups.toolforge.org/b/QSv2/226306/</a>).</dd> <dd>I'm not sure to understand the part "if we include a third affected database, we essentially increase the possibility of errors"; if possible, please have a look at <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Properties_for_deletion/P7859#New_proposed_plan_for_migration_to_P10832" title="Wikidata:Properties for deletion/P7859">Wikidata:Properties for deletion/P7859#New proposed plan for migration to P10832</a> and comment there. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240318074900-Pallor-20240317212900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240318074900-Pallor-20240317212900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240318074900","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318074900-Pallor-20240317212900","replies":["c-Pallor-20240318102500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318074900"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240318074900-Pallor-20240317212900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a class="external text" href="https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/226426"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pallor-20240318102500-Epìdosis-20240318074900"></span>I don't get it</a>... We just discussed how these edits do more harm than good. <a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor">Pallor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pallor" title="User talk:Pallor"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Pallor-20240318102500-Epìdosis-20240318074900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pallor-20240318102500-Epìdosis-20240318074900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240318102500","author":"Pallor","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Pallor-20240318102500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318074900","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318102800-Pallor-20240318102500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pallor-20240318102500-Epìdosis-20240318074900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240318102800-Pallor-20240318102500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor"><bdi>Pallor</bdi></a>: this batch is correlated to 3 other batches which do the exact conversion of these values of P7859; the batches are <a class="external free" href="https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/226427">https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/226427</a>, <a class="external free" href="https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/226428">https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/226428</a>, <a class="external free" href="https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/226429">https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/226429</a> and are presently stuck in the queue; there is an exact correspondence, for each P7859 a new P10832 will be added (once all the batches are run). <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240318102800-Pallor-20240318102500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240318102800-Pallor-20240318102500"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240318102800","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318102800-Pallor-20240318102500","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318103000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318102800"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240318102800-Pallor-20240318102500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240318103000-Epìdosis-20240318102800"></span>BTW in the meanwhile I have also started the rollback of the 3 batches above through EditGroups, although the undo hasn't started yet, probably due to the queue of batches passing through QS (which in these days has often problems with batches stuck for hours). <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240318103000-Epìdosis-20240318102800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240318103000-Epìdosis-20240318102800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240318103000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318103000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318102800","replies":["c-Pallor-20240318104900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318103000"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240318103000-Epìdosis-20240318102800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pallor-20240318104900-Epìdosis-20240318103000"></span>Okay, that's fine (but you could have said) <a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor">Pallor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pallor" title="User talk:Pallor"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Pallor-20240318104900-Epìdosis-20240318103000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pallor-20240318104900-Epìdosis-20240318103000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240318104900","author":"Pallor","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Pallor-20240318104900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240318103000","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240330201000-Pallor-20240318104900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pallor-20240318104900-Epìdosis-20240318103000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240330201000-Pallor-20240318104900"></span>Currently I have started the undo of the three batches on 18 March, but it is still stuck, as reported to the programmer of EditGroups (cf. <a href="/wiki/Topic:Y0hoi0xhy1w9hry9" title="Topic:Y0hoi0xhy1w9hry9">Topic:Y0hoi0xhy1w9hry9</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240330201000-Pallor-20240318104900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240330201000-Pallor-20240318104900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240330201000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240330201000-Pallor-20240318104900","replies":["c-Pallor-20240331003800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240330201000"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240330201000-Pallor-20240318104900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pallor-20240331003800-Epìdosis-20240330201000"></span>Ok, thanks for the notification! <a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor">Pallor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pallor" title="User talk:Pallor"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Pallor-20240331003800-Epìdosis-20240330201000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pallor-20240331003800-Epìdosis-20240330201000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240331003800","author":"Pallor","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Pallor-20240331003800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240330201000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pallor-20240331003800-Epìdosis-20240330201000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kippelboy-20240319132700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Researcher_quickstatement_deletion-20240319132700","replies":["c-Kippelboy-20240319132700-Researcher_quickstatement_deletion"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Researcher quickstatement deletion","linkableTitle":"Researcher quickstatement deletion"}--><h2 id="Researcher_quickstatement_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Researcher_quickstatement_deletion-20240319132700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Researcher_quickstatement_deletion-20240319132700"></span>Researcher quickstatement deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Researcher_quickstatement_deletion-20240319132700"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kippelboy-20240319132700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Researcher_quickstatement_deletion-20240319132700","replies":["c-Kippelboy-20240319132700-Researcher_quickstatement_deletion"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240319155800-Kippelboy-20240319132700","timestamp":"20240319155800"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kippelboy-20240319132700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Researcher_quickstatement_deletion-20240319132700","replies":["c-Kippelboy-20240319132700-Researcher_quickstatement_deletion"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Researcher quickstatement deletion","linkableTitle":"Researcher quickstatement deletion"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kippelboy-20240319132700-Researcher_quickstatement_deletion"></span>Hi,Epìdosis. First of all thank you for your time editing and improving Wikidata. That said, I detected that you used temporary_batch_1710528583746 to revert several dozens of my edits assigning "researcher" as occupation for some people. Could you explain further why is the reason of these edit? Is there a particular criteria I'm missing? Thanks in advance. <a href="/wiki/User:Kippelboy" title="User:Kippelboy">Kippelboy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kippelboy" title="User talk:Kippelboy"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kippelboy-20240319132700-Researcher_quickstatement_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kippelboy-20240319132700-Researcher_quickstatement_deletion"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240319132700","author":"Kippelboy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kippelboy-20240319132700-Researcher_quickstatement_deletion","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240319155800-Kippelboy-20240319132700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kippelboy-20240319132700-Researcher_quickstatement_deletion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240319155800-Kippelboy-20240319132700"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Kippelboy" title="User:Kippelboy"><bdi>Kippelboy</bdi></a>:, thanks for the question! I used periodically this query:</dd></dl> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1502159272"><div class="wdt-sparql-container"><div><div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-sparql mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="k">SELECT</span> <span class="nv">?item</span> <span class="k">WHERE</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="nv">?item</span> <span class="nn">p</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P106</span> <span class="nv">?st1</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="nv">?st1</span> <span class="nn">ps</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P106</span> <span class="nn">wd</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">Q1622272</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="nv">?item</span> <span class="nn">p</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P106</span> <span class="nv">?st2</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="nv">?st2</span> <span class="nn">ps</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P106</span> <span class="nn">wd</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">Q1650915</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="k">MINUS</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="nv">?st2</span> <span class="nv">?pq</span> <span class="nv">?pv</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="nv">?p</span> <span class="nn">wikibase</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">qualifier</span> <span class="nv">?pq</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="p">}</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="k">MINUS</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="nv">?st2</span> <span class="nn">prov</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">wasDerivedFrom</span> <span class="nv">?ref2</span> <span class="p">}</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="p">}</span> <span class="k">UNION</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="nv">?st2</span> <span class="nn">prov</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">wasDerivedFrom</span> <span class="nv">?ref</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="nv">?ref3</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="nv">?ref</span> <span class="nn">pr</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P143</span> <span class="p">[]</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="k">MINUS</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="nv">?ref3</span> <span class="nn">pr</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P854</span> <span class="nv">?url</span> <span class="p">}</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="k">MINUS</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="nv">?ref3</span> <span class="nn">pr</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P248</span> <span class="nv">?s</span> <span class="p">}</span> <span class="p">}</span> <span class="p">}</span> </pre></div></div><a class="external text" href="https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fitem%0AWHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP106%20%3Fst1%20.%20%3Fst1%20ps%3AP106%20wd%3AQ1622272%20.%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP106%20%3Fst2%20.%20%3Fst2%20ps%3AP106%20wd%3AQ1650915%20.%0A%20%20MINUS%20%7B%20%3Fst2%20%3Fpq%20%3Fpv%20.%20%3Fp%20wikibase%3Aqualifier%20%3Fpq%20.%20%7D%0A%20%20%7B%20MINUS%20%7B%20%3Fst2%20prov%3AwasDerivedFrom%20%3Fref2%20%7D%20.%20%7D%20UNION%0A%20%20%7B%20%3Fst2%20prov%3AwasDerivedFrom%20%3Fref%2C%20%3Fref3%20.%20%3Fref%20pr%3AP143%20%5B%5D%20.%20MINUS%20%7B%20%3Fref3%20pr%3AP854%20%3Furl%20%7D%20.%20MINUS%20%7B%20%3Fref3%20pr%3AP248%20%3Fs%20%7D%20%7D%0A%7D"><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Try it!</span></a> </div> <dl><dd>to detect the statements <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q1650915" title="Q1650915">researcher <small>(Q1650915)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> to be removed. The criterium was: considering items which have a statement <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q1650915" title="Q1650915">researcher <small>(Q1650915)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> with no references, or with only references not containing <a href="/wiki/Property:P854" title="Property:P854">reference URL <small dir="ltr">(P854)</small></a> and/or <a href="/wiki/Property:P248" title="Property:P248">stated in <small dir="ltr">(P248)</small></a> (i.e. probably references containing <a href="/wiki/Property:P143" title="Property:P143">imported from Wikimedia project <small dir="ltr">(P143)</small></a>), if the item also has a statement <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q1622272" title="Q1622272">university teacher <small>(Q1622272)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130">, then having <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q1650915" title="Q1650915">researcher <small>(Q1650915)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> is redundant. The main motivation when I originally started to use this query was (if I remember correctly) that indirectly <a href="/wiki/Q1622272" title="Q1622272">university teacher <small>(Q1622272)</small></a> was <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of <small dir="ltr">(P279)</small></a> of <a href="/wiki/Q1650915" title="Q1650915">researcher <small>(Q1650915)</small></a>; however, this has probably changed at some point in time (checking which link in the chain has been changed is very difficult, I have tried in the last 30 minutes without finding it), so it is not true anymore. The other reason, still valid, is that <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q1650915" title="Q1650915">researcher <small>(Q1650915)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> is too much widespread (by far the most common value of <a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small dir="ltr">(P106)</small></a>, with 1.95M occurrences as of now: <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/haswbstatement:P106%3DQ1650915" title="Special:Search/haswbstatement:P106=Q1650915">Special:Search/haswbstatement:P106=Q1650915</a>) and in most cases without serious references and often in a far too generic way, typically as a placeholder-value for <a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small dir="ltr">(P106)</small></a> in newly-bot-created items about researchers with <a href="/wiki/Property:P496" title="Property:P496">ORCID iD <small dir="ltr">(P496)</small></a>; so, when the item has other more specific <a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small dir="ltr">(P106)</small></a> values, usually <a href="/wiki/Q1650915" title="Q1650915">researcher <small>(Q1650915)</small></a> tends to be removed also manually in order to make the whole list of occupations more readable.</dd> <dd>Anyway, since the first reason seems not valid anymore, <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AEp%C3%ACdosis%2Fsandbox&diff=2105956847&oldid=2103417419">I have removed from my to-do-list</a> the criterium "the item also has a statement <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q1622272" title="Q1622272">university teacher <small>(Q1622272)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130">" and I will use only the criterium "the item also has a statement <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><i>value</i></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> where <i>value</i> is a direct or indirect <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of <small dir="ltr">(P279)</small></a> of <a href="/wiki/Q1622272" title="Q1622272">university teacher <small>(Q1622272)</small></a>" (see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=27224293&al_commands=-P106%3AQ1650915">direct</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=27224299&al_commands=-P106%3AQ1650915">indirect 1st grade</a>), in order to be sure to remove only surely redundant <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q1650915" title="Q1650915">researcher <small>(Q1650915)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> statements in the future. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240319155800-Kippelboy-20240319132700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240319155800-Kippelboy-20240319132700"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240319155800","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240319155800-Kippelboy-20240319132700","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240319155800-Kippelboy-20240319132700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Geagea-20240327080100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Mike_Danson-20240327080100","replies":["c-Geagea-20240327080100-Mike_Danson"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Mike Danson","linkableTitle":"Mike Danson"}--><h2 id="Mike_Danson" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mike_Danson-20240327080100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mike_Danson-20240327080100"></span>Mike Danson<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mike_Danson-20240327080100"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Geagea-20240327080100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Mike_Danson-20240327080100","replies":["c-Geagea-20240327080100-Mike_Danson"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Geagea-20240331094300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240331085700","timestamp":"20240331094300"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Geagea-20240327080100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Mike_Danson-20240327080100","replies":["c-Geagea-20240327080100-Mike_Danson"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Mike Danson","linkableTitle":"Mike Danson"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geagea-20240327080100-Mike_Danson"></span>Hello Epì, see the two items: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q90249693" title="Q90249693">Michael Danson <small>(Q90249693)</small></a> --> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://viaf.org/viaf/24762436/">(VIAF: 24762436)</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q112482860" class="mw-redirect" title="Q112482860">Michael Danson <small>(Q112482860)</small></a> --> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://viaf.org/viaf/308693270/">(VIAF: 308693270)</a></li></ul> <p>Looking at the publications in the VIAF, some of them are the same, for example: "Divided scotland? the nature,..", "Employability and local labour markets", "Information gaps in the local labour market", "Redundancy and recession : restructuring the regions?" etc. Seems they are the same person but they have different BnF id, BIBSYS id. What do you think? <a href="/wiki/User:Geagea" title="User:Geagea">Geagea</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geagea" title="User talk:Geagea"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Geagea-20240327080100-Mike_Danson" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Geagea-20240327080100-Mike_Danson"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240327080100","author":"Geagea","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Geagea-20240327080100-Mike_Danson","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240330093900-Geagea-20240327080100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Geagea-20240327080100-Mike_Danson"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240330093900-Geagea-20240327080100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Geagea" title="User:Geagea"><bdi>Geagea</bdi></a>: checked, same person; <span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> merged</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240330093900-Geagea-20240327080100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:39, 30 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240330093900-Geagea-20240327080100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240330093900","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240330093900-Geagea-20240327080100","replies":["c-Geagea-20240331073100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240330093900"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240330093900-Geagea-20240327080100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geagea-20240331073100-Epìdosis-20240330093900"></span>Thanks.</dd> <dd>another weird issue. Currently there are 695,000 links to <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Property:P8189">P8189</a> but it was more than 816,000 before. How can I check what's happened here? <a href="/wiki/User:Geagea" title="User:Geagea">Geagea</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geagea" title="User talk:Geagea"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Geagea-20240331073100-Epìdosis-20240330093900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Geagea-20240331073100-Epìdosis-20240330093900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240331073100","author":"Geagea","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Geagea-20240331073100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240330093900","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240331085700-Geagea-20240331073100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Geagea-20240331073100-Epìdosis-20240330093900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240331085700-Geagea-20240331073100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Geagea" title="User:Geagea"><bdi>Geagea</bdi></a>: very weird! I have checked the number of <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ANumber_of_main_statements_by_property&diff=2107966112&oldid=2095615843">main statements</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ANumber_of_references_by_property&diff=2107966155&oldid=2095615894">references</a> containing P8189 and I notice no strange decrease between 6 and 21 March (we don't have more updated data unfortunately); <a class="external free" href="https://wdrc.toolforge.org/">https://wdrc.toolforge.org/</a> would be the best tool for checking, but it lags 5 months so it's presently useless; in my watchlist I haven't noticed massive removals of P8189; my provisorial conclusion is that maybe Special:WhatLinksHere is strangely omitting something, but I would like to see the next updates of the number of main statements and references to be sure. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240331085700-Geagea-20240331073100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:57, 31 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240331085700-Geagea-20240331073100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240331085700","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240331085700-Geagea-20240331073100","replies":["c-Geagea-20240331094300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240331085700"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240331085700-Geagea-20240331073100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Geagea-20240331094300-Epìdosis-20240331085700"></span>I'm checking now <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://w.wiki/5g4V">this query</a> (I'm sending update every month to the National Library of Israel) and it's seems to be ok. Probably just problem with the counting in the link I'v provided. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Geagea" title="User:Geagea">Geagea</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Geagea" title="User talk:Geagea"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Geagea-20240331094300-Epìdosis-20240331085700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:43, 31 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Geagea-20240331094300-Epìdosis-20240331085700"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240331094300","author":"Geagea","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Geagea-20240331094300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240331085700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Geagea-20240331094300-Epìdosis-20240331085700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-EncycloPetey-20240404003100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-translated_work-20240404003100","replies":["c-EncycloPetey-20240404003100-translated_work"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"translated work","linkableTitle":"translated work"}--><h2 id="translated_work" data-mw-thread-id="h-translated_work-20240404003100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-translated_work-20240404003100"></span>translated work<span data-mw-comment-end="h-translated_work-20240404003100"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-EncycloPetey-20240404003100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-translated_work-20240404003100","replies":["c-EncycloPetey-20240404003100-translated_work"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240404073800-EncycloPetey-20240404003100","timestamp":"20240404073800"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-EncycloPetey-20240404003100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-translated_work-20240404003100","replies":["c-EncycloPetey-20240404003100-translated_work"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"translated work","linkableTitle":"translated work"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EncycloPetey-20240404003100-translated_work"></span>I have been starting work on <a href="/wiki/Q125309905" title="Q125309905">translated work <small>(Q125309905)</small></a> items, for which I had to create the new Q-value. I am running into multiple issues, because Wikidata does not have a setup to deal with these items. </p><p>These are translated texts which are <b>works</b> in their own right, having been published in multiple editions and various volumes. An example is <a href="/wiki/Q125309653" title="Q125309653">Oedipus the King <small>(Q125309653)</small></a>, a translated work that was first published in 1865, and has since been published many times. The same would apply to Storr's Greek text or Dindorf's. </p><p>The big problem is that there is no property to indicate the original work from which the translated work was translated. We can't use <a href="/wiki/Property:P629" title="Property:P629">edition or translation of <small dir="ltr">(P629)</small></a> because (a) that property implies the data item is an edition, (b) requires that the listed item have the inverse property <a href="/wiki/Property:P747" title="Property:P747">has edition or translation <small dir="ltr">(P747)</small></a> (which implies the same thing), and (c) it conflicts with <a href="/wiki/Property:P747" title="Property:P747">has edition or translation <small dir="ltr">(P747)</small></a> on the same data item, and any <a href="/wiki/Q125309905" title="Q125309905">translated work <small>(Q125309905)</small></a> will be <i>both</i> a translation of some work in another language <i>and</i> have editions that are published. </p><p>We need a new pair of properties specifically for works that are translated from other works. Again <a href="/wiki/Q125309653" title="Q125309653">Oedipus the King <small>(Q125309653)</small></a> is an example. It has a VIAF ID and a LoC authority file ID, both of which identify the item as <i>no specific publication</i>, but rather a <i>work</i> that exists in multiple publications, yet is itself the translation of something else. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Property:P144" title="Property:P144">based on <small dir="ltr">(P144)</small></a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P4969" title="Property:P4969">derivative work <small dir="ltr">(P4969)</small></a> come close, but the latter is far too broad in scope. --<a href="/wiki/User:EncycloPetey" title="User:EncycloPetey">EncycloPetey</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EncycloPetey" title="User talk:EncycloPetey"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-EncycloPetey-20240404003100-translated_work" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:31, 4 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EncycloPetey-20240404003100-translated_work"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240404003100","author":"EncycloPetey","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EncycloPetey-20240404003100-translated_work","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240404073800-EncycloPetey-20240404003100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EncycloPetey-20240404003100-translated_work"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240404073800-EncycloPetey-20240404003100"></span>I have ran into related issues as well (stuff like <a href="/wiki/Q110655971" title="Q110655971">Q110655971</a>) and I think the main common culprit is that we are currently using a bastardised FRBR where Expression and Manifestation are conflated into one, which prevent us to describe things in Wikidata the way they are described elsewhere (like <a href="/wiki/Q125309653" title="Q125309653">Q125309653</a> is clearly defined as an Expression in both VIAF and LC). I don't really know why it was decided to go with such a modelling, but if it was perhaps working back then I feel it may create more and more problems as we are adding more and more books and the relationships between them complexify. But now that we are so deep with this peculiar modelling I don't know if there is an easy way out. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240404073800-EncycloPetey-20240404003100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240404073800-EncycloPetey-20240404003100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240404073800","author":"Jahl de Vautban","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240404073800-EncycloPetey-20240404003100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240404073800-EncycloPetey-20240404003100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Oxford_Reference-20240406074400","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400-Oxford_Reference"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Oxford Reference","linkableTitle":"Oxford Reference"}--><h2 id="Oxford_Reference" data-mw-thread-id="h-Oxford_Reference-20240406074400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Oxford_Reference-20240406074400"></span>Oxford Reference<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Oxford_Reference-20240406074400"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Oxford_Reference-20240406074400","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400-Oxford_Reference"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240406141400-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400","timestamp":"20240406141400"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Oxford_Reference-20240406074400","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400-Oxford_Reference"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Oxford Reference","linkableTitle":"Oxford Reference"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400-Oxford_Reference"></span>Ciao Epi, adesso che c'è <a href="/wiki/Property:P12582" title="Property:P12582">Oxford Reference overview ID <small dir="ltr">(P12582)</small></a>, potresti aggiungerla a il catalogo <a class="external text" href="https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/catalog/5004">MnM</a>? Si sono quasi 45k IDs che possono essere sincronisati. Grazie! --<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400-Oxford_Reference" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400-Oxford_Reference"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240406074400","author":"Jahl de Vautban","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400-Oxford_Reference","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240406141400-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400-Oxford_Reference"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240406141400-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban"><bdi>Jahl de Vautban</bdi></a>: <span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b> e ho anche fatto partire un primo batch di sincronizzazione (<a class="external free" href="https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/227500">https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/227500</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240406141400-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240406141400-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240406141400","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240406141400-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240406141400-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240406074400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Abante_e_Ascalabo-20240412194300","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300-Abante_e_Ascalabo"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Abante e Ascalabo","linkableTitle":"Abante e Ascalabo"}--><h2 id="Abante_e_Ascalabo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Abante_e_Ascalabo-20240412194300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Abante_e_Ascalabo-20240412194300"></span>Abante e Ascalabo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Abante_e_Ascalabo-20240412194300"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Abante_e_Ascalabo-20240412194300","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300-Abante_e_Ascalabo"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240412195500-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300","timestamp":"20240412195500"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Abante_e_Ascalabo-20240412194300","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300-Abante_e_Ascalabo"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Abante e Ascalabo","linkableTitle":"Abante e Ascalabo"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300-Abante_e_Ascalabo"></span>Ciao Epìdosis, ho trovatto <a href="/wiki/Q3603128" class="mw-redirect" title="Q3603128">Ascalabus <small>(Q3603128)</small></a> e <a href="/wiki/Q2655419" title="Q2655419">Ascalabus <small>(Q2655419)</small></a>. Si tratta del medesimo personnagio, trasformato in lucertola da Demeter. Ci sono due voci su WPIT, potresti unirle? Grazie ! (scusa per le numerose domande, mi sa che sto apenna comminciado con questo casino di mitologia...) --<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300-Abante_e_Ascalabo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 12 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300-Abante_e_Ascalabo"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240412194300","author":"Jahl de Vautban","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300-Abante_e_Ascalabo","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240412195500-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300-Abante_e_Ascalabo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240412195500-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban"><bdi>Jahl de Vautban</bdi></a>: grazie per la segnalazione, mi paiono effettivamente la medesima persona. Ho ampliato <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascalabo" class="extiw" title="it:Ascalabo">it:Ascalabo</a> e ho reindirizzato ad esso <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abante_(figlio_di_Celeo)" class="extiw" title="it:Abante (figlio di Celeo)">it:Abante (figlio di Celeo)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240412195500-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240412195500-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240412195500","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240412195500-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240412195500-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240412194300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Rostworowski-20240417164800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Merging_Q349402_Adam_Freytag_1608-1650_and_Q102156858_Adam_Freitag_1602-1664-20240417164800","replies":["c-Rostworowski-20240417164800-Merging_Q349402_Adam_Freytag_1608-1650_and_Q102156858_Adam_Freitag_1602-1664"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Merging Q349402 Adam Freytag 1608-1650 and Q102156858 Adam Freitag 1602-1664","linkableTitle":"Merging Q349402 Adam Freytag 1608-1650 and Q102156858 Adam Freitag 1602-1664"}--><h2 id="Merging_Q349402_Adam_Freytag_1608-1650_and_Q102156858_Adam_Freitag_1602-1664" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merging_Q349402_Adam_Freytag_1608-1650_and_Q102156858_Adam_Freitag_1602-1664-20240417164800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merging_Q349402_Adam_Freytag_1608-1650_and_Q102156858_Adam_Freitag_1602-1664-20240417164800"></span>Merging Q349402 Adam Freytag 1608-1650 and Q102156858 Adam Freitag 1602-1664<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merging_Q349402_Adam_Freytag_1608-1650_and_Q102156858_Adam_Freitag_1602-1664-20240417164800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Rostworowski-20240417164800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Merging_Q349402_Adam_Freytag_1608-1650_and_Q102156858_Adam_Freitag_1602-1664-20240417164800","replies":["c-Rostworowski-20240417164800-Merging_Q349402_Adam_Freytag_1608-1650_and_Q102156858_Adam_Freitag_1602-1664"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240419150900-Rostworowski-20240419150700","timestamp":"20240419150900"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Rostworowski-20240417164800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Merging_Q349402_Adam_Freytag_1608-1650_and_Q102156858_Adam_Freitag_1602-1664-20240417164800","replies":["c-Rostworowski-20240417164800-Merging_Q349402_Adam_Freytag_1608-1650_and_Q102156858_Adam_Freitag_1602-1664"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Merging Q349402 Adam Freytag 1608-1650 and Q102156858 Adam Freitag 1602-1664","linkableTitle":"Merging Q349402 Adam Freytag 1608-1650 and Q102156858 Adam Freitag 1602-1664"}--></div></div></div> <ol><li><a href="/wiki/Q349402" title="Q349402"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rostworowski-20240417164800-Merging_Q349402_Adam_Freytag_1608-1650_and_Q102156858_Adam_Freitag_1602-1664"></span>Q349402</a> Adam Freytag 1608-1650 <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://isni.org/isni/0000000079750576">https://isni.org/isni/0000000079750576</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://d-nb.info/gnd/124754716">https://d-nb.info/gnd/124754716</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q102156858" class="mw-redirect" title="Q102156858">Q102156858</a> Adam Freitag 1602-1664 <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://isni.org/isni/0000000365952347">https://isni.org/isni/0000000365952347</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://d-nb.info/gnd/1089095554">https://d-nb.info/gnd/1089095554</a></li></ol> <p>Why did you merge these? <a href="/wiki/User:Rostworowski" title="User:Rostworowski">Rostworowski</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rostworowski" title="User talk:Rostworowski"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Rostworowski-20240417164800-Merging_Q349402_Adam_Freytag_1608-1650_and_Q102156858_Adam_Freitag_1602-1664" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 17 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rostworowski-20240417164800-Merging_Q349402_Adam_Freytag_1608-1650_and_Q102156858_Adam_Freitag_1602-1664"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240417164800","author":"Rostworowski","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rostworowski-20240417164800-Merging_Q349402_Adam_Freytag_1608-1650_and_Q102156858_Adam_Freitag_1602-1664","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240417204600-Rostworowski-20240417164800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rostworowski-20240417164800-Merging_Q349402_Adam_Freytag_1608-1650_and_Q102156858_Adam_Freitag_1602-1664"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240417204600-Rostworowski-20240417164800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rostworowski" title="User:Rostworowski"><bdi>Rostworowski</bdi></a>: They seem to be effectively the same person: the dates 1602-1664 are probably contained in some outdates source to which <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://d-nb.info/gnd/1089095554">https://d-nb.info/gnd/1089095554</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb15418770s">https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb15418770s</a> (copied, among other sources, by <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://isni.org/isni/0000000365952347">https://isni.org/isni/0000000365952347</a>) referred; however, the publications mentioned by BNF and the biographical information coincide (as <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://viaf.org/viaf/232782478/">https://viaf.org/viaf/232782478/</a> shows) with the data that can be attributed to the person dated 1608-1650 by most sources like <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://d-nb.info/gnd/124754716">https://d-nb.info/gnd/124754716</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.vle.lt/straipsnis/adam-freytag/">https://www.vle.lt/straipsnis/adam-freytag/</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220523211259/https://www.ipsb.nina.gov.pl/a/biografia/adam-freytag">https://web.archive.org/web/20220523211259/https://www.ipsb.nina.gov.pl/a/biografia/adam-freytag</a> (Freitag/Freytag is just a graphical variant). --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240417204600-Rostworowski-20240417164800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 17 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240417204600-Rostworowski-20240417164800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240417204600","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240417204600-Rostworowski-20240417164800","replies":["c-Rostworowski-20240419150700-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240417204600"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240417204600-Rostworowski-20240417164800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rostworowski-20240419150700-Epìdosis-20240417204600"></span>Can you post this report to ISNI so that they merge their records? <a href="/wiki/User:Rostworowski" title="User:Rostworowski">Rostworowski</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rostworowski" title="User talk:Rostworowski"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Rostworowski-20240419150700-Epìdosis-20240417204600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 19 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rostworowski-20240419150700-Epìdosis-20240417204600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240419150700","author":"Rostworowski","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Rostworowski-20240419150700-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240417204600","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240419150900-Rostworowski-20240419150700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rostworowski-20240419150700-Epìdosis-20240417204600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240419150900-Rostworowski-20240419150700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rostworowski" title="User:Rostworowski"><bdi>Rostworowski</bdi></a>: <span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b> reported to ISNI now. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240419150900-Rostworowski-20240419150700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:09, 19 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240419150900-Rostworowski-20240419150700"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240419150900","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240419150900-Rostworowski-20240419150700","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240419150900-Rostworowski-20240419150700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Moxmarco-20240430112600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Doppione-20240430112600","replies":["c-Moxmarco-20240430112600-Doppione"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Doppione","linkableTitle":"Doppione"}--><h2 id="Doppione" data-mw-thread-id="h-Doppione-20240430112600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Doppione-20240430112600"></span>Doppione<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Doppione-20240430112600"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Moxmarco-20240430112600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Doppione-20240430112600","replies":["c-Moxmarco-20240430112600-Doppione"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240430122800-Moxmarco-20240430112600","timestamp":"20240430122800"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Moxmarco-20240430112600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Doppione-20240430112600","replies":["c-Moxmarco-20240430112600-Doppione"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Doppione","linkableTitle":"Doppione"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moxmarco-20240430112600-Doppione"></span>Ciao, io non sono pratico di Wikidata, ma ti segnalo questo doppione <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q95163403">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q95163403</a> e <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16537964">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16537964</a> , entrambi riferiti a <a class="external free" href="https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anonima_Castelli">https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anonima_Castelli</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Moxmarco" title="User:Moxmarco">Moxmarco</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moxmarco" title="User talk:Moxmarco"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Moxmarco-20240430112600-Doppione" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moxmarco-20240430112600-Doppione"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240430112600","author":"Moxmarco","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Moxmarco-20240430112600-Doppione","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240430122800-Moxmarco-20240430112600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moxmarco-20240430112600-Doppione"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240430122800-Moxmarco-20240430112600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Moxmarco" title="User:Moxmarco"><bdi>Moxmarco</bdi></a>: grazie per la segnalazione, @<a href="/wiki/User:Agilix" title="User:Agilix"><bdi>Agilix</bdi></a>: li ha già uniti; per l'unione di elementi, cfr. <a href="/wiki/Help:Merge" title="Help:Merge">Help:Merge</a> dove si spiega l'uso (semplicissimo) del gadget Merge/Unisci, attivabile in <a href="/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets" title="Special:Preferences">Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets</a>. Per dubbi resto a disposizione! --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240430122800-Moxmarco-20240430112600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240430122800-Moxmarco-20240430112600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240430122800","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240430122800-Moxmarco-20240430112600","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240430122800-Moxmarco-20240430112600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Ahankins-20240503063300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Mix-n-Match_for_RISM-20240503063300","replies":["c-Ahankins-20240503063300-Mix-n-Match_for_RISM"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Mix-n-Match for RISM","linkableTitle":"Mix-n-Match for RISM"}--><h2 id="Mix-n-Match_for_RISM" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mix-n-Match_for_RISM-20240503063300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mix-n-Match_for_RISM-20240503063300"></span>Mix-n-Match for RISM<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mix-n-Match_for_RISM-20240503063300"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Ahankins-20240503063300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Mix-n-Match_for_RISM-20240503063300","replies":["c-Ahankins-20240503063300-Mix-n-Match_for_RISM"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240503143000-Ahankins-20240503094600","timestamp":"20240503143000"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Ahankins-20240503063300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Mix-n-Match_for_RISM-20240503063300","replies":["c-Ahankins-20240503063300-Mix-n-Match_for_RISM"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Mix-n-Match for RISM","linkableTitle":"Mix-n-Match for RISM"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahankins-20240503063300-Mix-n-Match_for_RISM"></span>Hello! I recently came across your mix-n-match setup for RISM people, <a class="external free" href="https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/catalog/3662">https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/catalog/3662</a>. I noticed that the links for the resolution point to the old identifiers, however. Is there any way that this can be updated? (Recall this conversation: <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P5504" title="Property talk:P5504">Property talk:P5504</a>.) </p><p>Many thanks for everything you do! <a href="/wiki/User:Ahankins" title="User:Ahankins">Ahankins</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahankins" title="User talk:Ahankins"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Ahankins-20240503063300-Mix-n-Match_for_RISM" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahankins-20240503063300-Mix-n-Match_for_RISM"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240503063300","author":"Ahankins","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ahankins-20240503063300-Mix-n-Match_for_RISM","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240503070900-Ahankins-20240503063300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahankins-20240503063300-Mix-n-Match_for_RISM"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240503070900-Ahankins-20240503063300"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Ahankins" title="User:Ahankins"><bdi>Ahankins</bdi></a>:, thanks for writing me! This catalog was created through a web scraper; I deactivated it because, as you say, it had the old identifiers (and it is not possible to change the format of the identifiers in an existing catalog). It would be necessary to create a new catalog with the new identifiers; the easiest way would be if you send to @<a href="/wiki/User:Bargioni" title="User:Bargioni"><bdi>Bargioni</bdi></a>: via email (see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://site.unibo.it/linked-data-per-i-beni-culturali/it/docenti">email indicated here</a>) an Excel file containing in the first column the IDs of the persons, in the second column the names of the persons, in the third column the most precise dates, in the fourth column the occupations. I put three examples below ("|" represents the change of column):</dd></dl> <ul><li>30006410 | Natale, Pompeo | 1681p+ | Clergyman, Composer, Maestro di cappella, Music teacher, Organist, Performer, Singer</li> <li>30094068 | Monk, William Henry | 16.03.1823-18.03.1889 | Composer, Organist, Possessor</li> <li>30075421 | Passy, Edmund | 1789-1870 | Composer, Music teacher, Organist, Pianist</li></ul> <dl><dd>He will then, in a few passages, transform this table in a Mix'n'match catalogue. Write me if you have any doubt! --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240503070900-Ahankins-20240503063300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240503070900-Ahankins-20240503063300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240503070900","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240503070900-Ahankins-20240503063300","replies":["c-Ahankins-20240503091600-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240503070900","c-Ahankins-20240503094600-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240503070900"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240503070900-Ahankins-20240503063300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahankins-20240503091600-Epìdosis-20240503070900"></span>OK, done! Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahankins" title="User:Ahankins">Ahankins</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahankins" title="User talk:Ahankins"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Ahankins-20240503091600-Epìdosis-20240503070900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahankins-20240503091600-Epìdosis-20240503070900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240503091600","author":"Ahankins","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ahankins-20240503091600-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240503070900","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahankins-20240503091600-Epìdosis-20240503070900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahankins-20240503094600-Epìdosis-20240503070900"></span>It occurs to me that it might also be beneficial to have any aliases or other names in the CSV? If so I can send a new one. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahankins" title="User:Ahankins">Ahankins</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahankins" title="User talk:Ahankins"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Ahankins-20240503094600-Epìdosis-20240503070900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:46, 3 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahankins-20240503094600-Epìdosis-20240503070900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240503094600","author":"Ahankins","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ahankins-20240503094600-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240503070900","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240503143000-Ahankins-20240503094600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahankins-20240503094600-Epìdosis-20240503070900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240503143000-Ahankins-20240503094600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ahankins" title="User:Ahankins"><bdi>Ahankins</bdi></a>: it could be, effectively; they can be included in the textual description of the entries, helping the user - when doing manual matches - to decide if a match is correct or not. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240503143000-Ahankins-20240503094600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240503143000-Ahankins-20240503094600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240503143000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240503143000-Ahankins-20240503094600","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240503143000-Ahankins-20240503094600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240503223300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Luca_Luciano_Trevisan-20240503223300","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240503223300-Luca_Luciano_Trevisan"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Luca Luciano Trevisan","linkableTitle":"Luca Luciano Trevisan"}--><h2 id="Luca_Luciano_Trevisan" data-mw-thread-id="h-Luca_Luciano_Trevisan-20240503223300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Luca_Luciano_Trevisan-20240503223300"></span>Luca Luciano Trevisan<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Luca_Luciano_Trevisan-20240503223300"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240503223300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Luca_Luciano_Trevisan-20240503223300","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240503223300-Luca_Luciano_Trevisan"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Kolja21-20240504135200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240504134700","timestamp":"20240504135200"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240503223300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Luca_Luciano_Trevisan-20240503223300","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240503223300-Luca_Luciano_Trevisan"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Luca Luciano Trevisan","linkableTitle":"Luca Luciano Trevisan"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240503223300-Luca_Luciano_Trevisan"></span>Hi Epìdosis, any idea who <a href="/wiki/Q125764723" title="Q125764723">Luca Luciano Trevisan <small>(Q125764723)</small></a> is? --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240503223300-Luca_Luciano_Trevisan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240503223300-Luca_Luciano_Trevisan"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240503223300","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240503223300-Luca_Luciano_Trevisan","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240504115300-Kolja21-20240503223300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240503223300-Luca_Luciano_Trevisan"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240504115300-Kolja21-20240503223300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: seemingly an amateur art historian/critic and an art dealer, resident in Venice: in <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.ledizioni.it/stag/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Alberto_martini_Web.pdf">https://www.ledizioni.it/stag/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Alberto_martini_Web.pdf</a> I read "Luca Luciano Trevisan, bizzarro personaggio difficilmente collocabile tra passione amatoriale studi e mercato" and "il veneziano Luca Luciano Trevisan, «Accademico Onorario R. [dell’]Accademia Internazionale del “Parnaso” e dell’Accademia “Phoenix”»"; in <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.academia.edu/92176100/">https://www.academia.edu/92176100/</a> I read "un certo Luca Luciano Trevisan, residente in “Santa Croce, Calle regina. Ramo calle Bragadin 2328 Venezia “ che nel 1951 fu autore di un testo enigmatico sul Giorgione in cui mescolava delle famose opere del Barbarelli con degli evidentissimi falsi di cui ne proponeva la vendita". --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240504115300-Kolja21-20240503223300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:53, 4 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240504115300-Kolja21-20240503223300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240504115300","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240504115300-Kolja21-20240503223300","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240504134400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240504115300"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240504115300-Kolja21-20240503223300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240504134400-Epìdosis-20240504115300"></span>Unusual and interesting case. "Art dealer in Venice" is a more precise description than "author". Will you add the information to ICCU/SNB? I would like to created a GND. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240504134400-Epìdosis-20240504115300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240504134400-Epìdosis-20240504115300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240504134400","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240504134400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240504115300","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240504134700-Kolja21-20240504134400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240504134400-Epìdosis-20240504115300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240504134700-Kolja21-20240504134400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: added now; it will be visible probably on Monday/Tuesday as usual. I have edited the fl. to 1950 since 1950 is the copyright date and 1951 the print date. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240504134700-Kolja21-20240504134400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 4 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240504134700-Kolja21-20240504134400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240504134700","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240504134700-Kolja21-20240504134400","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240504135200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240504134700"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240504134700-Kolja21-20240504134400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240504135200-Epìdosis-20240504134700"></span>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/Q125771340" title="Q125771340">Federica Nurchis <small>(Q125771340)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian art historian (1984-)</span></small> seems to be a citable source. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240504135200-Epìdosis-20240504134700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240504135200-Epìdosis-20240504134700"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240504135200","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240504135200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240504134700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240504135200-Epìdosis-20240504134700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-81.41.177.91-20240509234600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Protection_requests_per_vandalism-20240509234600","replies":["c-81.41.177.91-20240509234800-Protection_requests_per_vandalism"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Protection requests per vandalism","linkableTitle":"Protection requests per vandalism"}--><h2 id="Protection_requests_per_vandalism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Protection_requests_per_vandalism-20240509234600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Protection_requests_per_vandalism-20240509234600"></span>Protection requests per vandalism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Protection_requests_per_vandalism-20240509234600"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-81.41.177.91-20240509234600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Protection_requests_per_vandalism-20240509234600","replies":["c-81.41.177.91-20240509234800-Protection_requests_per_vandalism"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240510090400-81.41.177.91-20240509234600","timestamp":"20240510090400"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-81.41.177.91-20240509234600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Protection_requests_per_vandalism-20240509234600","replies":["c-81.41.177.91-20240509234800-Protection_requests_per_vandalism"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Protection requests per vandalism","linkableTitle":"Protection requests per vandalism"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-81.41.177.91-20240509234800-Protection_requests_per_vandalism"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis">Epìdosis</a>. I would like to inform you that several IPs are vandalizing several entries of Royals, changing deliberately the labels and descriptions in English and some other languages (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q14566660&diff=prev&oldid=2148250970">[2]</a>, <a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q7286312&diff=prev&oldid=2149578642">[3]</a> and <a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q236566&diff=prev&oldid=2149577944">[4]</a>), removing deliberately statements (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q14566660&diff=next&oldid=2148250970">[5]</a>, <a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q57666&diff=prev&oldid=2149574185">[6]</a>, <a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q76927&diff=2149576371&oldid=2149541636">[7]</a> or <a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q96494&diff=prev&oldid=2149588341">[8]</a>), and other major modifications like <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q21013504&diff=2149588187&oldid=2148243633">this</a>. </p><p>I reverted them and notyfied some of them in their talk page (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:90.243.93.26&diff=prev&oldid=2148250094">[9]</a>) for not doing that editions again without obtaining consensus, they revert me and continue with their editions, removing also my warnings from their talks (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A90.243.93.26&diff=2149587809&oldid=2148250094">[10]</a>) by using other IPs. I suspect all are related to a previous case I found <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2023#Please_protect_Q255704_and_Q72795_per_vandalism">here</a>. For that, please consider protect all this entries and restoring them to stable versions if the IPs change them again before the protection. </p><p>Thank you in advance. Yours sincerely. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/81.41.177.91" title="Special:Contributions/81.41.177.91">81.41.177.91</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-81.41.177.91-20240509234800-Protection_requests_per_vandalism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-81.41.177.91-20240509234800-Protection_requests_per_vandalism"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240509234800","author":"81.41.177.91","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-81.41.177.91-20240509234800-Protection_requests_per_vandalism","replies":["c-81.41.177.91-20240509234600-81.41.177.91-20240509234800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-81.41.177.91-20240509234800-Protection_requests_per_vandalism"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-81.41.177.91-20240509234600-81.41.177.91-20240509234800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis">Epìdosis</a>: The entries to protect are: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q14566660" title="Q14566660">Q14566660</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q60721" title="Q60721">Q60721</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q57666" title="Q57666">Q57666</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q125753542" title="Q125753542">Q125753542</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q7286312" title="Q7286312">Q7286312</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q21013504" title="Q21013504">Q21013504</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q236566" title="Q236566">Q236566</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q263545" title="Q263545">Q263545</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q76927" title="Q76927">Q76927</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q620287" title="Q620287">Q620287</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q60741" title="Q60741">Q60741</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q162177" title="Q162177">Q162177</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q21666846" title="Q21666846">Q21666846</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>Yours sincerely. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/81.41.177.91" title="Special:Contributions/81.41.177.91">81.41.177.91</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-81.41.177.91-20240509234600-81.41.177.91-20240509234800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-81.41.177.91-20240509234600-81.41.177.91-20240509234800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240509234600","author":"81.41.177.91","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-81.41.177.91-20240509234600-81.41.177.91-20240509234800","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240510090400-81.41.177.91-20240509234600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-81.41.177.91-20240509234600-81.41.177.91-20240509234800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240510090400-81.41.177.91-20240509234600"></span>Thanks for reporting, I protected everything for 3 months (except <a href="/wiki/Q125753542" title="Q125753542">Q125753542</a> for 1 week); as for the previous case, I would suggest to write in <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:AN">WD:AN</a> to have a quicker response. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240510090400-81.41.177.91-20240509234600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240510090400-81.41.177.91-20240509234600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240510090400","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240510090400-81.41.177.91-20240509234600","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240510090400-81.41.177.91-20240509234600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-ISNIplus-20240510135900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-SBN_catalogue_-_spaced_ISNI-20240510135900","replies":["c-ISNIplus-20240510135900-SBN_catalogue_-_spaced_ISNI"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"SBN catalogue - spaced ISNI","linkableTitle":"SBN catalogue - spaced ISNI"}--><h2 id="SBN_catalogue_-_spaced_ISNI" data-mw-thread-id="h-SBN_catalogue_-_spaced_ISNI-20240510135900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-SBN_catalogue_-_spaced_ISNI-20240510135900"></span>SBN catalogue - spaced ISNI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-SBN_catalogue_-_spaced_ISNI-20240510135900"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-ISNIplus-20240510135900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-SBN_catalogue_-_spaced_ISNI-20240510135900","replies":["c-ISNIplus-20240510135900-SBN_catalogue_-_spaced_ISNI"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240510141300-ISNIplus-20240510140900","timestamp":"20240510141300"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-ISNIplus-20240510135900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-SBN_catalogue_-_spaced_ISNI-20240510135900","replies":["c-ISNIplus-20240510135900-SBN_catalogue_-_spaced_ISNI"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"SBN catalogue - spaced ISNI","linkableTitle":"SBN catalogue - spaced ISNI"}--></div></div></div> <p><a class="external free" href="https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/entry/132917794"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ISNIplus-20240510135900-SBN_catalogue_-_spaced_ISNI"></span>https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/entry/132917794</a> one example of many. The spaces cause error reports on the ISNI report page. It says you imported the catalogue. Can you take measures to remove the spaced ISNI from the whole catalogue? </p><p>There are 106514 unmatched entries, how many have an ISNI I don't know, but probably many new errors would be created if this isn't fixed. <a href="/wiki/User:ISNIplus" title="User:ISNIplus">ISNIplus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ISNIplus" title="User talk:ISNIplus"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-ISNIplus-20240510135900-SBN_catalogue_-_spaced_ISNI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ISNIplus-20240510135900-SBN_catalogue_-_spaced_ISNI"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240510135900","author":"ISNIplus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ISNIplus-20240510135900-SBN_catalogue_-_spaced_ISNI","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240510140200-ISNIplus-20240510135900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ISNIplus-20240510135900-SBN_catalogue_-_spaced_ISNI"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240510140200-ISNIplus-20240510135900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ISNIplus" title="User:ISNIplus"><bdi>ISNIplus</bdi></a>: unfortunately I cannot: whilst I can add new auxiliary data, only @<a href="/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske" title="User:Magnus Manske"><bdi>Magnus Manske</bdi></a>: can remove auxiliary data from catalogs. Anyway, I think KrBot regularly removes the spaces through <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Autofix" title="Template:Autofix">Autofix</a>}}</code>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240510140200-ISNIplus-20240510135900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240510140200-ISNIplus-20240510135900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240510140200","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240510140200-ISNIplus-20240510135900","replies":["c-ISNIplus-20240510140900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240510140200"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240510140200-ISNIplus-20240510135900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ISNIplus-20240510140900-Epìdosis-20240510140200"></span>1000s of useless edits, bloating the database. Can you talk with Magnus about that?</dd> <dd>Alternatively could all that have an ISNI be created? How many would that be? Then at least it is a one time issue, and there will be no error reports in the future. <a href="/wiki/User:ISNIplus" title="User:ISNIplus">ISNIplus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ISNIplus" title="User talk:ISNIplus"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-ISNIplus-20240510140900-Epìdosis-20240510140200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ISNIplus-20240510140900-Epìdosis-20240510140200"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240510140900","author":"ISNIplus","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ISNIplus-20240510140900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240510140200","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240510141300-ISNIplus-20240510140900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ISNIplus-20240510140900-Epìdosis-20240510140200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240510141300-ISNIplus-20240510140900"></span>I had already reported it on 3 March in <a href="/wiki/Topic:Xyr5b6zcavxhideq" title="Topic:Xyr5b6zcavxhideq">Topic:Xyr5b6zcavxhideq</a>; I posted there again. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240510141300-ISNIplus-20240510140900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240510141300-ISNIplus-20240510140900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240510141300","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240510141300-ISNIplus-20240510140900","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240510141300-ISNIplus-20240510140900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Moxmarco-20240512064200","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Vandalo?-20240512064200","replies":["c-Moxmarco-20240512064200-Vandalo?"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Vandalo?","linkableTitle":"Vandalo?"}--><h2 id="Vandalo?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Vandalo?-20240512064200"><span id="Vandalo.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Vandalo?-20240512064200"></span>Vandalo?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Vandalo?-20240512064200"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Moxmarco-20240512064200","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Vandalo?-20240512064200","replies":["c-Moxmarco-20240512064200-Vandalo?"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Sakretsu-20240516173100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240512211200","timestamp":"20240516173100"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__6__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Moxmarco-20240512064200","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Vandalo?-20240512064200","replies":["c-Moxmarco-20240512064200-Vandalo?"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Vandalo?","linkableTitle":"Vandalo?"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moxmarco-20240512064200-Vandalo?"></span>Ciao, ti segnalo questo utente MaxMorco. La sua modifica di per sé quasi irrilevante ma con campo oggetto decisamente fuori dalle righe. Il nome è abbastanza simile al mio, non vorrei fosse un clone <a href="/wiki/User:Moxmarco" title="User:Moxmarco">Moxmarco</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moxmarco" title="User talk:Moxmarco"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Moxmarco-20240512064200-Vandalo?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:42, 12 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moxmarco-20240512064200-Vandalo?"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240512064200","author":"Moxmarco","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Moxmarco-20240512064200-Vandalo?","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240512092400-Moxmarco-20240512064200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moxmarco-20240512064200-Vandalo?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240512092400-Moxmarco-20240512064200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Moxmarco" title="User:Moxmarco"><bdi>Moxmarco</bdi></a>: grazie per la segnalazione, intanto ho annullato la modifica (concordo su quanto scrivi); se ci sono sviluppi avvisami. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240512092400-Moxmarco-20240512064200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240512092400-Moxmarco-20240512064200"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240512092400","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240512092400-Moxmarco-20240512064200","replies":["c-Moxmarco-20240512174400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240512092400"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240512092400-Moxmarco-20240512064200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moxmarco-20240512174400-Epìdosis-20240512092400"></span>ciao, l'utente è ritornato e ti confermo che ce l'ha con me. Stavolta su Commons <a class="external free" href="https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Moxmarco">https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Moxmarco</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Moxmarco" title="User:Moxmarco">Moxmarco</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moxmarco" title="User talk:Moxmarco"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Moxmarco-20240512174400-Epìdosis-20240512092400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moxmarco-20240512174400-Epìdosis-20240512092400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240512174400","author":"Moxmarco","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Moxmarco-20240512174400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240512092400","replies":["c-Moxmarco-20240512175300-Moxmarco-20240512174400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moxmarco-20240512174400-Epìdosis-20240512092400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Moxmarco-20240512175300-Moxmarco-20240512174400"></span>considerando la sua modifica su Wikidata, tutto sembra nato dal mio messaggio lasciato all'utente Vanni 58 su Wikipedia italiana <a href="/wiki/User:Moxmarco" title="User:Moxmarco">Moxmarco</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Moxmarco" title="User talk:Moxmarco"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Moxmarco-20240512175300-Moxmarco-20240512174400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 12 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Moxmarco-20240512175300-Moxmarco-20240512174400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240512175300","author":"Moxmarco","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Moxmarco-20240512175300-Moxmarco-20240512174400","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240512211200-Moxmarco-20240512175300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Moxmarco-20240512175300-Moxmarco-20240512174400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240512211200-Moxmarco-20240512175300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Moxmarco" title="User:Moxmarco"><bdi>Moxmarco</bdi></a>: vedo; su Commons però non sono amministratore; chiederei consiglio a uno steward @<a href="/wiki/User:Sakretsu" title="User:Sakretsu"><bdi>Sakretsu</bdi></a>:. Buonanotte, <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240512211200-Moxmarco-20240512175300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240512211200-Moxmarco-20240512175300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240512211200","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240512211200-Moxmarco-20240512175300","replies":["c-Sakretsu-20240516173100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240512211200"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240512211200-Moxmarco-20240512175300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sakretsu-20240516173100-Epìdosis-20240512211200"></span>Ciao, scusate il ritardo. Ho chiuso l'utenza in questione per abuso crosswiki. @<a href="/wiki/User:Moxmarco" title="User:Moxmarco">Moxmarco</a> per favore fammi sapere se questa storia continua <a href="/wiki/User:Sakretsu" title="User:Sakretsu">Sakretsu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sakretsu" title="User talk:Sakretsu"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Sakretsu-20240516173100-Epìdosis-20240512211200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sakretsu-20240516173100-Epìdosis-20240512211200"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240516173100","author":"Sakretsu","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Sakretsu-20240516173100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240512211200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sakretsu-20240516173100-Epìdosis-20240512211200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Zanekost-20240512173700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings-20240512173700","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240512173700-WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"WikiProject sum of all paintings","linkableTitle":"WikiProject sum of all paintings"}--><h2 id="WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings" data-mw-thread-id="h-WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings-20240512173700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings-20240512173700"></span>WikiProject sum of all paintings<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings-20240512173700"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Zanekost-20240512173700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings-20240512173700","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240512173700-WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Zanekost-20240513200200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240513195300","timestamp":"20240513200200"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__8__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Zanekost-20240512173700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings-20240512173700","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240512173700-WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"WikiProject sum of all paintings","linkableTitle":"WikiProject sum of all paintings"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanekost-20240512173700-WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings"></span>Ciao, ho notato che questa lista <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings/Creator/Giovanni_Bellini" title="Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Creator/Giovanni Bellini">Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Creator/Giovanni Bellini</a> risulta mal formattata (nella query) per quanto riguarda la data "incepetion" che restituisce 14º secolo anziché 15º e in certi casi un misterioso "140s". <br/>Altra questione : non riesco a inserire l'etichetta it <i>Madonna col Bambino</i> su <a href="/wiki/Q123479354" title="Q123479354">Q123479354</a> perché il sistema mi segnala che è già presente (ma non è visibile). <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)">Zanekost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanekost" title="User talk:Zanekost"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Zanekost-20240512173700-WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanekost-20240512173700-WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240512173700","author":"Zanekost","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zanekost-20240512173700-WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240512184600-Zanekost-20240512173700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanekost-20240512173700-WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanekost-20240512184600-Zanekost-20240512173700"></span>Aggiungo che probabilmente l'errore è esteso a tutte le liste di opere--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)">Zanekost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanekost" title="User talk:Zanekost"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Zanekost-20240512184600-Zanekost-20240512173700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanekost-20240512184600-Zanekost-20240512173700"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240512184600","author":"Zanekost","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Zanekost-20240512184600-Zanekost-20240512173700","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240512211700-Zanekost-20240512184600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanekost-20240512184600-Zanekost-20240512173700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240512211700-Zanekost-20240512184600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)"><bdi>Zanekost</bdi></a>: 140s sembra un problema del template <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Wikidata_list" title="Template:Wikidata list">Wikidata list</a>}}</code> perché effettivamente dovrebbe mostrare 1450s anziché 140s che proprio non ha senso; puoi provare a segnalare nella talk del template. Per <a href="/wiki/Q123479354" title="Q123479354">Madonna and Child (Madonna Corsini) <small>(Q123479354)</small></a>: non lascia aggiungere etichetta in italiano <i>Madonna col Bambino</i> (in presenza della descrizione <i>dipinto di Giovanni Bellini</i>) perché la medesima coppia etichetta in italiano <i>Madonna col Bambino</i> e descrizione in italiano <i>dipinto di Giovanni Bellini</i> è già presente in <a href="/wiki/Q20077689" title="Q20077689">Madonna and child <small>(Q20077689)</small></a>. Modificando la descrizione di entrambi (es. aggiungendo la città in cui ciascuno dei due dipinti è conservato) sarà poi possibile aggiungere l'etichetta in italiano mancante. Buonanotte, <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240512211700-Zanekost-20240512184600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240512211700-Zanekost-20240512184600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240512211700","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240512211700-Zanekost-20240512184600","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240513185300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240512211700"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240512211700-Zanekost-20240512184600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanekost-20240513185300-Epìdosis-20240512211700"></span>Ok… comunicato nella talk. Dacci un'occhiata anche tu ché i mio inglese è un po' rustico.</dd> <dd>Per le "Madonne" in questione quel che ho capito è che bisogna rendere in qualche modo unica la scheda, ma sorgono un po' di problemi: <ul><li>la <a href="/wiki/Q123479354" title="Q123479354">Q123479354</a> non appartiene al castello di Wavel ma a una collezione privata non definita, al castello è stata invece esposta due volte;</li> <li>la <a href="/wiki/Q20077689" title="Q20077689">Q20077689</a> viene prevalentemente rifiutata come opera di Bellini, l'unica pubblicazione italiana che la cita è Tempestini 2000 che la assegna invece a Bartolomeo Montagna.</li></ul></dd> <dd>Come si possono aggiungere le precisazioni necessarie? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)">Zanekost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanekost" title="User talk:Zanekost"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Zanekost-20240513185300-Epìdosis-20240512211700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanekost-20240513185300-Epìdosis-20240512211700"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240513185300","author":"Zanekost","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Zanekost-20240513185300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240512211700","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240513190100-Zanekost-20240513185300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanekost-20240513185300-Epìdosis-20240512211700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240513190100-Zanekost-20240513185300"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)"><bdi>Zanekost</bdi></a>: ok per la talk del template, ho aggiunto un breve messaggio ulteriore; non avrei comunque troppa fiducia in una soluzione in tempi brevi del problema.</dd> <dd>Per i due elementi specifici ho modificato entrambi secondo le tue indicazioni; mancherebbe soltanto aggiungere nel secondo le pubblicazioni che sostengono l'una e l'altra attribuzione (a Montagna e a Bellini). <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240513190100-Zanekost-20240513185300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240513190100-Zanekost-20240513185300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240513190100","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240513190100-Zanekost-20240513185300","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240513193500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240513190100"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240513190100-Zanekost-20240513185300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanekost-20240513193500-Epìdosis-20240513190100"></span>OK. Grazie. Ho creato due nuovi elementi per i riferimanti: <a href="/wiki/Q125918892" title="Q125918892">Q125918892</a> e <a href="/wiki/Q125918804" title="Q125918804">Q125918804</a>. Dacci un occhio per favore. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)">Zanekost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanekost" title="User talk:Zanekost"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Zanekost-20240513193500-Epìdosis-20240513190100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanekost-20240513193500-Epìdosis-20240513190100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240513193500","author":"Zanekost","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Zanekost-20240513193500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240513190100","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240513195300-Zanekost-20240513193500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanekost-20240513193500-Epìdosis-20240513190100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240513195300-Zanekost-20240513193500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)"><bdi>Zanekost</bdi></a>: perfetti i riferimenti che hai aggiunto nel secondo elemento; ho sistemato un pochino gli elementi dei due libri di Tempestini. Buona serata, <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240513195300-Zanekost-20240513193500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240513195300-Zanekost-20240513193500"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240513195300","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240513195300-Zanekost-20240513193500","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240513200200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240513195300"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240513195300-Zanekost-20240513193500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanekost-20240513200200-Epìdosis-20240513195300"></span>Perfetto, grazie. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)">Zanekost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanekost" title="User talk:Zanekost"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Zanekost-20240513200200-Epìdosis-20240513195300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanekost-20240513200200-Epìdosis-20240513195300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240513200200","author":"Zanekost","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Zanekost-20240513200200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240513195300","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanekost-20240513200200-Epìdosis-20240513195300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Syrio-20240515084800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Query-20240515084800","replies":["c-Syrio-20240515084800-Query"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Query","linkableTitle":"Query"}--><h2 id="Query" data-mw-thread-id="h-Query-20240515084800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Query-20240515084800"></span>Query<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Query-20240515084800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Syrio-20240515084800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Query-20240515084800","replies":["c-Syrio-20240515084800-Query"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Syrio-20240515133900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240515132300","timestamp":"20240515133900"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Syrio-20240515084800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Query-20240515084800","replies":["c-Syrio-20240515084800-Query"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Query","linkableTitle":"Query"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20240515084800-Query"></span>Ciao! Scusami se ti do noia per una stupidata personale ma mi pare che con le query te la cavi abbastanza bene :) <br/> Facendo seguito a <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Bar#Elementi_wikidata_su_mappa" title="Wikidata:Bar">questa discussione al bar</a>; data una query come <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://w.wiki/A5j5">questa</a>, ma con <i>molti</i> più elementi wikidata, è possibile "scorporare" la lista degli elementi in una sottopagina utente, e fare in modo che la query la vada a pescare da lì? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20240515084800-Query" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20240515084800-Query"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240515084800","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Syrio-20240515084800-Query","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240515132300-Syrio-20240515084800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20240515084800-Query"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240515132300-Syrio-20240515084800"></span>Ciao @<a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><bdi>Syrio</bdi></a>:, grazie per avermi scritto. La risposta è no, non mi risulta che sia <i>possibile "scorporare" la lista degli elementi in una sottopagina utente, e fare in modo che la query la vada a pescare da lì</i>. Quello che si può fare, invece, è riscrivere la query in modo che si possa, anziché elencare singoli elementi, trovare tutti gli elementi che rispondono a uno o più criteri. Se hai uno o più criteri degli insiemi d elementi, posso poi provare a tradurli in query. A presto, <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240515132300-Syrio-20240515084800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240515132300-Syrio-20240515084800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240515132300","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240515132300-Syrio-20240515084800","replies":["c-Syrio-20240515133900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240515132300"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240515132300-Syrio-20240515084800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20240515133900-Epìdosis-20240515132300"></span>Ah, mannaggia. Non c'è un criterio, è la lista delle chiese che ho fotografato, solo che è talmente lunga che non funziona più neanche l'accorciamento dell'url XD Beh, pazienza, me la tengo scritta in un file di testo come ho fatto finora. Grazie comunque! --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20240515133900-Epìdosis-20240515132300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20240515133900-Epìdosis-20240515132300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240515133900","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Syrio-20240515133900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240515132300","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20240515133900-Epìdosis-20240515132300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Zumedi-20240517135900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Jean_Moreau_de_S\u00e9chelles-20240517135900","replies":["c-Zumedi-20240517135900-Jean_Moreau_de_S\u00e9chelles"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Jean Moreau de S\u00e9chelles","linkableTitle":"Jean Moreau de S\u00e9chelles"}--><h2 id="Jean_Moreau_de_Séchelles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Jean_Moreau_de_Séchelles-20240517135900"><span id="Jean_Moreau_de_S.C3.A9chelles"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Jean_Moreau_de_Séchelles-20240517135900"></span>Jean Moreau de Séchelles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Jean_Moreau_de_Séchelles-20240517135900"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Zumedi-20240517135900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Jean_Moreau_de_S\u00e9chelles-20240517135900","replies":["c-Zumedi-20240517135900-Jean_Moreau_de_S\u00e9chelles"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240517195800-Zumedi-20240517135900","timestamp":"20240517195800"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Zumedi-20240517135900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Jean_Moreau_de_S\u00e9chelles-20240517135900","replies":["c-Zumedi-20240517135900-Jean_Moreau_de_S\u00e9chelles"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Jean Moreau de S\u00e9chelles","linkableTitle":"Jean Moreau de S\u00e9chelles"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zumedi-20240517135900-Jean_Moreau_de_Séchelles"></span>Hi Epidosis! Thanks for your wellcome message. I have a question regarding <a href="/wiki/Q950360" title="Q950360">Jean Moreau de Séchelles</a>. I think his year of death is wrong. It was <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jean_Moreau_de_S%C3%A9chelles&diff=10137831&oldid=7328588%7Cadded">by an IP-adress</a> in to the french wikipedia, the article was then <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jean_Moreau_de_S%C3%A9chelles%7Ctranslated">into english</a>. And form there the date was written in to wikidata. While different wikipedias and wikidata say Moreau de Séchelles died 1761, other wikipedias and all the litterature I found, say he died 1760. See: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3558n/f202.image">https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3558n/f202.image</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://journals.openedition.org/crcv/17907#ftn57">https://journals.openedition.org/crcv/17907#ftn57</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://cths.fr/an/savant.php?id=117753">https://cths.fr/an/savant.php?id=117753</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.academie-sciences.fr/fr/Liste-des-membres-depuis-la-creation-de-l-Academie-des-sciences/les-membres-du-passe-dont-le-nom-commence-par-s.html">https://www.academie-sciences.fr/fr/Liste-des-membres-depuis-la-creation-de-l-Academie-des-sciences/les-membres-du-passe-dont-le-nom-commence-par-s.html</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://books.google.fi/books?id=BpNoAAAAcAAJ&hl=fi&pg=PA483#v=onepage&q&f=false">https://books.google.fi/books?id=BpNoAAAAcAAJ&hl=fi&pg=PA483#v=onepage&q&f=false</a> How can I change the date of death in wikidata? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zumedi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zumedi (page does not exist)">Zumedi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zumedi" title="User talk:Zumedi"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Zumedi-20240517135900-Jean_Moreau_de_Séchelles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zumedi-20240517135900-Jean_Moreau_de_Séchelles"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240517135900","author":"Zumedi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zumedi-20240517135900-Jean_Moreau_de_S\u00e9chelles","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240517195800-Zumedi-20240517135900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zumedi-20240517135900-Jean_Moreau_de_Séchelles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240517195800-Zumedi-20240517135900"></span>Hi @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zumedi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zumedi (page does not exist)"><bdi>Zumedi</bdi></a>:, thanks very much for your message. For all statements which have no source, or have only Wikipedia(s) as source(s), you can just edit them (i.e. change the value, if necessary) replacing the Wikipedia-source with one or more true sources, like the ones you cite. I did it on <a href="/wiki/Q950360" title="Q950360">Jean Moreau de Séchelles <small>(Q950360)</small></a> (using only those which provided also the day of death and not only the year); I have also edited English Wikipedia, where 1761 had no source. If you have any further question or doubt, please of course ask me! Good evening, <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240517195800-Zumedi-20240517135900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240517195800-Zumedi-20240517135900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240517195800","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240517195800-Zumedi-20240517135900","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240517195800-Zumedi-20240517135900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Zanekost-20240517165100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Qualificatori_di_Creatore-20240517165100","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240517165100-Qualificatori_di_Creatore"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Qualificatori di Creatore","linkableTitle":"Qualificatori di Creatore"}--><h2 id="Qualificatori_di_Creatore" data-mw-thread-id="h-Qualificatori_di_Creatore-20240517165100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Qualificatori_di_Creatore-20240517165100"></span>Qualificatori di Creatore<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Qualificatori_di_Creatore-20240517165100"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Zanekost-20240517165100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Qualificatori_di_Creatore-20240517165100","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240517165100-Qualificatori_di_Creatore"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Zanekost-20240517213200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240517194800","timestamp":"20240517213200"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Zanekost-20240517165100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Qualificatori_di_Creatore-20240517165100","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240517165100-Qualificatori_di_Creatore"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Qualificatori di Creatore","linkableTitle":"Qualificatori di Creatore"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanekost-20240517165100-Qualificatori_di_Creatore"></span>Ciao, secondo te qual’è l’uso corretto di creatore (P170) quando è presente un qualificatore del tipo di “bottega di”, “seguace di”, etc. </p><p>Vedi il caso di <a href="/wiki/Q120035369" title="Q120035369">Q120035369</a> dove sicuramente il creatore non è Bellini ma non si accetta “anonimo”. </p><p>Tra l’altro manca tra i qualificatori possibili “ e aiuti” oppure “e bottega”, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)">Zanekost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanekost" title="User talk:Zanekost"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Zanekost-20240517165100-Qualificatori_di_Creatore" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanekost-20240517165100-Qualificatori_di_Creatore"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240517165100","author":"Zanekost","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zanekost-20240517165100-Qualificatori_di_Creatore","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240517194800-Zanekost-20240517165100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanekost-20240517165100-Qualificatori_di_Creatore"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240517194800-Zanekost-20240517165100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)"><bdi>Zanekost</bdi></a>: l'elemento di esempio di <a href="/wiki/Property:P1774" title="Property:P1774">workshop of <small dir="ltr">(P1774)</small></a> è <a href="/wiki/Q1635039" title="Q1635039">Tobias and the Angel <small>(Q1635039)</small></a>; sulla base di quest'ultimo esempio ho modificato <a href="/wiki/Q120035369" title="Q120035369">Madonna and Child <small>(Q120035369)</small></a>. Sui qualificatori mancanti potrei avere un'idea di come supplire, se mi dai degli esempi per entrambi posso provare a proporre possibili soluzioni. Buona serata, <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240517194800-Zanekost-20240517165100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240517194800-Zanekost-20240517165100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240517194800","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240517194800-Zanekost-20240517165100","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240517213200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240517194800"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240517194800-Zanekost-20240517165100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanekost-20240517213200-Epìdosis-20240517194800"></span>Grazie. Allora basta non inserire nulla nel campo principale e qualificare con “quel che è” poi specificare “ruolo del soggetto” = “anonimo” ?</dd> <dd>Però devo dire che non mi pare particolarmente intuibile che il ruolo sia riferito al creatore…</dd> <dd>Quanto agli esempi di un creatore con l’aiuto della bottega te ne esemplifico solo tre riferiti al Giambellino di cui gli stessi musei asseriscono la collaborazione della bottega: <a href="/wiki/Q3842590" title="Q3842590">Q3842590</a>; <a href="/wiki/Q64787463" title="Q64787463">Q64787463</a>; <a href="/wiki/Q19911550" title="Q19911550">Q19911550</a>.</dd> <dd>Quanto a mettere "e bottega" oppure "e aiuti" può lasciare una certa libertà in caso non sia conclamata la struttura di una bottega. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)">Zanekost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanekost" title="User talk:Zanekost"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Zanekost-20240517213200-Epìdosis-20240517194800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanekost-20240517213200-Epìdosis-20240517194800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240517213200","author":"Zanekost","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Zanekost-20240517213200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240517194800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanekost-20240517213200-Epìdosis-20240517194800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240526001300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Giacomo_Rocca-20240526001300","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240526001300-Giacomo_Rocca"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Giacomo Rocca","linkableTitle":"Giacomo Rocca"}--><h2 id="Giacomo_Rocca" data-mw-thread-id="h-Giacomo_Rocca-20240526001300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Giacomo_Rocca-20240526001300"></span>Giacomo Rocca<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Giacomo_Rocca-20240526001300"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240526001300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Giacomo_Rocca-20240526001300","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240526001300-Giacomo_Rocca"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240526075700-Kolja21-20240526001300","timestamp":"20240526075700"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240526001300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Giacomo_Rocca-20240526001300","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240526001300-Giacomo_Rocca"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Giacomo Rocca","linkableTitle":"Giacomo Rocca"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240526001300-Giacomo_Rocca"></span>Hi Epìdosis, is <a href="/wiki/Q3105084" title="Q3105084">Giacomo Rocca <small>(Q3105084)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian painter (1532-1605)</span></small> identical with <a href="/wiki/Q105855717" title="Q105855717">Giacomo Rocchetti <small>(Q105855717)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">no description</span></small>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240526001300-Giacomo_Rocca" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:13, 26 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240526001300-Giacomo_Rocca"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240526001300","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240526001300-Giacomo_Rocca","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240526075700-Kolja21-20240526001300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240526001300-Giacomo_Rocca"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240526075700-Kolja21-20240526001300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: I cannot find decisive sources; many websites say "Giacomo Rocchetti (Rocca?)", so it seems the identification is not fully sure, although highly probable; I have added <a href="/wiki/Property:P460" title="Property:P460">said to be the same as <small dir="ltr">(P460)</small></a> and I would keep them distinct, at least as of now. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240526075700-Kolja21-20240526001300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240526075700-Kolja21-20240526001300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240526075700","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240526075700-Kolja21-20240526001300","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240526075700-Kolja21-20240526001300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Aybeg-20240602050200","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Protection_request_against_vandalism-20240602050200","replies":["c-Aybeg-20240602050200-Protection_request_against_vandalism"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Protection request against vandalism","linkableTitle":"Protection request against vandalism"}--><h2 id="Protection_request_against_vandalism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Protection_request_against_vandalism-20240602050200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Protection_request_against_vandalism-20240602050200"></span>Protection request against vandalism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Protection_request_against_vandalism-20240602050200"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Aybeg-20240602050200","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Protection_request_against_vandalism-20240602050200","replies":["c-Aybeg-20240602050200-Protection_request_against_vandalism"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240602083500-Aybeg-20240602050200","timestamp":"20240602083500"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Aybeg-20240602050200","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Protection_request_against_vandalism-20240602050200","replies":["c-Aybeg-20240602050200-Protection_request_against_vandalism"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Protection request against vandalism","linkableTitle":"Protection request against vandalism"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aybeg-20240602050200-Protection_request_against_vandalism"></span>Hi. Can you protect <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q61073350">this page(1)</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20967646">this page(2)</a> from non-patrols or non-administators? These pages vandalise by someone who signs up with different accounts. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Aybeg" title="User:Aybeg">Aybeg</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aybeg" title="User talk:Aybeg"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Aybeg-20240602050200-Protection_request_against_vandalism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aybeg-20240602050200-Protection_request_against_vandalism"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240602050200","author":"Aybeg","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aybeg-20240602050200-Protection_request_against_vandalism","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240602083500-Aybeg-20240602050200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aybeg-20240602050200-Protection_request_against_vandalism"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240602083500-Aybeg-20240602050200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Aybeg" title="User:Aybeg"><bdi>Aybeg</bdi></a>: <span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b> protected both for 1 year. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240602083500-Aybeg-20240602050200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240602083500-Aybeg-20240602050200"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240602083500","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240602083500-Aybeg-20240602050200","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240602083500-Aybeg-20240602050200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240605011300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Giovanni_Bruni-20240605011300","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240605011300-Giovanni_Bruni"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Giovanni Bruni","linkableTitle":"Giovanni Bruni"}--><h2 id="Giovanni_Bruni" data-mw-thread-id="h-Giovanni_Bruni-20240605011300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Giovanni_Bruni-20240605011300"></span>Giovanni Bruni<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Giovanni_Bruni-20240605011300"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240605011300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Giovanni_Bruni-20240605011300","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240605011300-Giovanni_Bruni"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Kolja21-20240605165600-Kolja21-20240605161800","timestamp":"20240605165600"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240605011300","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Giovanni_Bruni-20240605011300","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240605011300-Giovanni_Bruni"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Giovanni Bruni","linkableTitle":"Giovanni Bruni"}--></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Q125921261" title="Q125921261"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240605011300-Giovanni_Bruni"></span>Giovanni Bruni <small>(Q125921261)</small></a>, author of <i>Monete lucane e bruzie nel Museo di Catanzaro</i> (1977), needs a GND but there is no information about him. He could be a numismatist or a classical archaeologist. Museo di Catanzaro = <a href="/wiki/Q16336147" title="Q16336147">Museo delle arti (Catanzaro, Italy) <small>(Q16336147)</small></a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240605011300-Giovanni_Bruni" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240605011300-Giovanni_Bruni"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240605011300","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240605011300-Giovanni_Bruni","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240605011600-Kolja21-20240605011300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240605011300-Giovanni_Bruni"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240605011600-Kolja21-20240605011300"></span>PS: Looks like the "Museo Provinciale di Catanzaro" (Google Books) = <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.museionline.info/musei/museo-archeologico-numismatico-provinciale">Museo Archeologico Numismatico Provinciale</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240605011600-Kolja21-20240605011300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240605011600-Kolja21-20240605011300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240605011600","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240605011600-Kolja21-20240605011300","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240605082900-Kolja21-20240605011600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240605011600-Kolja21-20240605011300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240605082900-Kolja21-20240605011600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: I agree with the identification of the museum; for Giovanni Bruni, unfortunately the name is very common and he seems to have not published nothing else (I have also searched in SBN and I have isolated him from homonyms; I find only another publication which may belong to him, regarding also Catanzaro); I cannot provide any further information, unfortunately. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240605082900-Kolja21-20240605011600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240605082900-Kolja21-20240605011600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240605082900","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240605082900-Kolja21-20240605011600","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240605161800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240605082900"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240605082900-Kolja21-20240605011600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240605161800-Epìdosis-20240605082900"></span>Thanks. The connection to the museum is sufficient. I've created GND <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://d-nb.info/gnd/1331760399">1331760399</a> and linked him to the <a href="/wiki/Q126369281" class="mw-redirect" title="Q126369281">Museo Archeologico Provinciale <small>(Q126369281)</small></a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240605161800-Epìdosis-20240605082900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240605161800-Epìdosis-20240605082900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240605161800","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240605161800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240605082900","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240605165600-Kolja21-20240605161800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240605161800-Epìdosis-20240605082900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240605165600-Kolja21-20240605161800"></span>For the conflated namesake (NUKAT) I've created <a href="/wiki/Q126369390" title="Q126369390">Giovanni Bruni <small>(Q126369390)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">no description</span></small>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240605165600-Kolja21-20240605161800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240605165600-Kolja21-20240605161800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240605165600","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240605165600-Kolja21-20240605161800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240605165600-Kolja21-20240605161800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-AmaliaMM-20240612090900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Libro_di_Arto_Paasilinna-20240612090900","replies":["c-AmaliaMM-20240612090900-Libro_di_Arto_Paasilinna"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Libro di Arto Paasilinna","linkableTitle":"Libro di Arto Paasilinna"}--><h2 id="Libro_di_Arto_Paasilinna" data-mw-thread-id="h-Libro_di_Arto_Paasilinna-20240612090900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Libro_di_Arto_Paasilinna-20240612090900"></span>Libro di Arto Paasilinna<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Libro_di_Arto_Paasilinna-20240612090900"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-AmaliaMM-20240612090900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Libro_di_Arto_Paasilinna-20240612090900","replies":["c-AmaliaMM-20240612090900-Libro_di_Arto_Paasilinna"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240612092300-AmaliaMM-20240612090900","timestamp":"20240612092300"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-AmaliaMM-20240612090900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Libro_di_Arto_Paasilinna-20240612090900","replies":["c-AmaliaMM-20240612090900-Libro_di_Arto_Paasilinna"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Libro di Arto Paasilinna","linkableTitle":"Libro di Arto Paasilinna"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AmaliaMM-20240612090900-Libro_di_Arto_Paasilinna"></span>Ciao Epì, ti segnalo che <a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q23683335">[11]</a> e <a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2534526">[12]</a> vanno uniti. Stavo lavorando sulla voce in italiano quando ho trovato l'errore. Grazie <a href="/wiki/User:AmaliaMM" title="User:AmaliaMM">AmaliaMM</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmaliaMM" title="User talk:AmaliaMM"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-AmaliaMM-20240612090900-Libro_di_Arto_Paasilinna" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AmaliaMM-20240612090900-Libro_di_Arto_Paasilinna"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240612090900","author":"AmaliaMM","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AmaliaMM-20240612090900-Libro_di_Arto_Paasilinna","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240612092300-AmaliaMM-20240612090900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AmaliaMM-20240612090900-Libro_di_Arto_Paasilinna"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240612092300-AmaliaMM-20240612090900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AmaliaMM" title="User:AmaliaMM"><bdi>AmaliaMM</bdi></a>: <span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b>! <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240612092300-AmaliaMM-20240612090900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240612092300-AmaliaMM-20240612090900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240612092300","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240612092300-AmaliaMM-20240612090900","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240612092300-AmaliaMM-20240612090900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Syrio-20240613122500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-QuickBatch-20240613122500","replies":["c-Syrio-20240613122500-QuickBatch","c-Syrio-20240614103800-QuickBatch","c-Syrio-20240614120200-QuickBatch"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"QuickBatch","linkableTitle":"QuickBatch"}--><h2 id="QuickBatch" data-mw-thread-id="h-QuickBatch-20240613122500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-QuickBatch-20240613122500"></span>QuickBatch<span data-mw-comment-end="h-QuickBatch-20240613122500"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Syrio-20240613122500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-QuickBatch-20240613122500","replies":["c-Syrio-20240613122500-QuickBatch","c-Syrio-20240614103800-QuickBatch","c-Syrio-20240614120200-QuickBatch"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Syrio-20240614134900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240614133100","timestamp":"20240614134900"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__8__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Syrio-20240613122500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-QuickBatch-20240613122500","replies":["c-Syrio-20240613122500-QuickBatch","c-Syrio-20240614103800-QuickBatch","c-Syrio-20240614120200-QuickBatch"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"QuickBatch","linkableTitle":"QuickBatch"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20240613122500-QuickBatch"></span>Ciao! Ok, uhm, non l'ho mai usato e partendo da zero per me è arabo. Per te sarebbe un problema buttarmi giù un batch esemplificativo (una roba veloce, per un paio di elementi con giusto 3-4 campi)? Così poi da quello vedo come è fatto e (sperabilmente) mi arrangio a fare tutto come avevo fatto per quella cosa della query. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20240613122500-QuickBatch" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20240613122500-QuickBatch"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240613122500","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Syrio-20240613122500-QuickBatch","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240613123000-Syrio-20240613122500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20240613122500-QuickBatch"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240613123000-Syrio-20240613122500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><bdi>Syrio</bdi></a>: dunque la traduzione in QuickStatements sintassi CSV di <a href="/wiki/Q126538137" title="Q126538137">Saint Michael chapel <small>(Q126538137)</small></a> è (faccio etichetta in italiano, descrizione in italiano e le prime proprietà; lascio qid vuoto, come se l'elemento fosse da creare):</dd></dl> <pre>qid,Lit,Dit,P31,P140,P17,P8543 cappella di San Michele,"cappella cimiteriale a Valdaora di Sotto, Valdaora",Q1457501,Q1841,Q38,"""16350""" </pre> <dl><dd>Immagina ognuna come una colonna in Excel; poi basta fare qualche sostituzione e il gioco è fatto. Per ulteriori info sono a disposizione. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240613123000-Syrio-20240613122500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240613123000-Syrio-20240613122500"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240613123000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240613123000-Syrio-20240613122500","replies":["c-Syrio-20240613135400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240613123000"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240613123000-Syrio-20240613122500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20240613135400-Epìdosis-20240613123000"></span>Troppo gentile! Appena ho un attimo ci smanetto, grazie! :) --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20240613135400-Epìdosis-20240613123000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20240613135400-Epìdosis-20240613123000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240613135400","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Syrio-20240613135400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240613123000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20240613135400-Epìdosis-20240613123000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20240614103800-QuickBatch"></span>Ciao! Allora, sono riuscito a far girare il tutto alla prima prova (<a href="/wiki/Q126617137" title="Q126617137">Q126617137</a>); ho solo due dubbi: 1) non so come inserire le coordinate (ho provato a virgolettarle ma non ne voleva sapere, vanno formattate in qualche modo particolare?) 2) i quickstatements funzionano solo su elementi già esistenti o si possono usare anche per creare un elemento ex novo? --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20240614103800-QuickBatch" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20240614103800-QuickBatch"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240614103800","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Syrio-20240614103800-QuickBatch","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240614110400-Syrio-20240614103800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20240614103800-QuickBatch"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240614110400-Syrio-20240614103800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><bdi>Syrio</bdi></a>: ciao, QS si può usare anche per creare nuovi elementi, se usi la sintassi CSV basta semplicemente lasciare la prima colonna <i>qid</i> vuota e anziché modificare un elemento esistente verrà creato un nuovo elemento; in generale puoi sempre far riferimento al manuale che è molto chiaro nel complesso (<a href="/wiki/Help:QuickStatements" title="Help:QuickStatements">Help:QuickStatements</a>, sezione CSV file syntax); per le coordinate il formato è @LAT/LON (vedo che questo formato non è specificato nella sezione CSV file syntax, ma solo nella sezione superiore; <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3AQuickStatements&diff=2179157613&oldid=2161874083">ho rimediato</a>). Per qualunque dubbio sono sempre qui. A presto, <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240614110400-Syrio-20240614103800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240614110400-Syrio-20240614103800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240614110400","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240614110400-Syrio-20240614103800","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240614110400-Syrio-20240614103800"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20240614120200-QuickBatch"></span>Arieccomi :S ho preparato un CSV per cinque elementi (in realtà sei perché ho dimenticato dentro anche i dati di quello che ho creato prima); i primi due, rispetto agli altri, avevano in più il parametro "<a href="/wiki/Property:P825" title="Property:P825">dedicato a</a>", che negli altri era lasciato vuoto. L'ho fatto girare, ha creato i primi due elementi senza problemi, e si è inceppato sugli altri. Pensavo che fosse per la presenza del parametro vuoto, ma provando a rilanciare il csv per i soli elementi mancanti (che a questo punto sono tre, avendo "riciclato" il doppione che ho creato), mi dà continuamente errore; eppure nell'anteprima che ti fa vedere prima di partire a me sembra tutto in ordine. Dove sto sbagliando? Il csv è questo: </p> <pre>qid,Lde,Lit,Dit,Len,Den,P31,P17,P131,P8543,P140,P708,P625 ,Preindlerkapelle in Niederolang,cappella Preindler,"cappella a Valdaora di Sotto, Valdaora",Preindler chapel,"chapel in Niederolang, Olang",Q108325,Q38,Q493802,16354,Q1841,Q1249360,@46.767837/12.019809 ,Kapelle beim Oberhof,cappella presso la residenza Oberhof,cappella nel comune di Valdaora,chapel at Oberhof,chapel in the municipality of Olang,Q108325,Q38,Q493802,16364,Q1841,Q1249360,@46.767837/12.019809 ,Kapelle beim Kofler,cappella presso il maso Kofler,cappella nel comune di Valdaora,chapel at Kofler,chapel in the municipality of Olang,Q108325,Q38,Q493802,16375,Q1841,Q1249360,@46.764306/12.054181 </pre> <p>Grazie --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20240614120200-QuickBatch" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 14 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20240614120200-QuickBatch"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240614120200","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Syrio-20240614120200-QuickBatch","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240614133100-Syrio-20240614120200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20240614120200-QuickBatch"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240614133100-Syrio-20240614120200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><bdi>Syrio</bdi></a>: vedo: dunque, il senso dell'errore "Bad value type quantity, expected string" è che lui interpreta come quantità alcuni valori che dovrebbero essere stringhe; non ti dice quali, ma si tratta specificamente di <a href="/wiki/Property:P8543" title="Property:P8543">Monumentbrowser ID <small dir="ltr">(P8543)</small></a> che è un identificativo esterno (e gli identificativi esterni sono trattati esattamente come stringhe); le stringe nella sintassi CSV di QuickStatements devono sempre essere circondate da """stringa""" quindi es. sopra dovresti avere non <i>16354</i> ma <i>"""16354"""</i>; idem nelle righe sotto. Prova così e dovrebbe funzionare ;-) <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240614133100-Syrio-20240614120200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240614133100-Syrio-20240614120200"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240614133100","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240614133100-Syrio-20240614120200","replies":["c-Syrio-20240614134900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240614133100"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240614133100-Syrio-20240614120200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20240614134900-Epìdosis-20240614133100"></span>Top! Ho dovuto <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q126619510&diff=prev&oldid=2179244106">calibrare un attimo</a> ma adesso ci sono; ho visto anche che talvolta (nella conversione da ods a csv) mette le virgolette alle descrizioni, e talvolta no, ma quickbatch non sembra farsi troppi problemi per quello, boh. Grazie mille! :) --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20240614134900-Epìdosis-20240614133100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20240614134900-Epìdosis-20240614133100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240614134900","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Syrio-20240614134900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240614133100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20240614134900-Epìdosis-20240614133100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Removing_\"withdrawn\"_ISNI-20240618162600","replies":["c-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600-Removing_\"withdrawn\"_ISNI"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Removing \"withdrawn\" ISNI","linkableTitle":"Removing \"withdrawn\" ISNI"}--><h2 id="Removing_"withdrawn"_ISNI" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removing_"withdrawn"_ISNI-20240618162600"><span id="Removing_.22withdrawn.22_ISNI"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removing_"withdrawn"_ISNI-20240618162600"></span>Removing "withdrawn" ISNI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removing_"withdrawn"_ISNI-20240618162600"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Removing_\"withdrawn\"_ISNI-20240618162600","replies":["c-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600-Removing_\"withdrawn\"_ISNI"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240618220300-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600","timestamp":"20240618220300"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Removing_\"withdrawn\"_ISNI-20240618162600","replies":["c-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600-Removing_\"withdrawn\"_ISNI"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Removing \"withdrawn\" ISNI","linkableTitle":"Removing \"withdrawn\" ISNI"}--></div></div></div> <p><a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q54853285&diff=prev&oldid=2102684245"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600-Removing_"withdrawn"_ISNI"></span>https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q54853285&diff=prev&oldid=2102684245</a> - this has not been withdrawn. The deprecation was false. <a href="/wiki/User:Elisabeth_Pommern" title="User:Elisabeth Pommern">Elisabeth Pommern</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Elisabeth_Pommern&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Elisabeth Pommern (page does not exist)"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600-Removing_"withdrawn"_ISNI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600-Removing_"withdrawn"_ISNI"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240618162600","author":"Elisabeth Pommern","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600-Removing_\"withdrawn\"_ISNI","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240618220300-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600-Removing_"withdrawn"_ISNI"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240618220300-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Elisabeth_Pommern" title="User:Elisabeth Pommern"><bdi>Elisabeth Pommern</bdi></a>: sure, the deprecation was imprecise (<a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q54853285&diff=prev&oldid=1901310565">I didn't add it in fact</a>), but the ID was anyway obsolete, since it had been redirected to the other one; this is already being discussed in <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:PC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:PC">WD:PC</a>, I will add a comment there probably tomorrow. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240618220300-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240618220300-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240618220300","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240618220300-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240618220300-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618162600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Removing_WorldCat_ID-20240618185800","replies":["c-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800-Removing_WorldCat_ID"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Removing WorldCat ID","linkableTitle":"Removing WorldCat ID"}--><h2 id="Removing_WorldCat_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removing_WorldCat_ID-20240618185800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removing_WorldCat_ID-20240618185800"></span>Removing WorldCat ID<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removing_WorldCat_ID-20240618185800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Removing_WorldCat_ID-20240618185800","replies":["c-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800-Removing_WorldCat_ID"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240618220000-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800","timestamp":"20240618220000"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Removing_WorldCat_ID-20240618185800","replies":["c-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800-Removing_WorldCat_ID"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Removing WorldCat ID","linkableTitle":"Removing WorldCat ID"}--></div></div></div> <p><a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2390246&diff=prev&oldid=2100326674"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800-Removing_WorldCat_ID"></span>https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2390246&diff=prev&oldid=2100326674</a> - this is very bad practice. Please undo each such edit. <a href="/wiki/User:Elisabeth_Pommern" title="User:Elisabeth Pommern">Elisabeth Pommern</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Elisabeth_Pommern&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Elisabeth Pommern (page does not exist)"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800-Removing_WorldCat_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800-Removing_WorldCat_ID"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240618185800","author":"Elisabeth Pommern","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800-Removing_WorldCat_ID","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240618220000-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800-Removing_WorldCat_ID"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240618220000-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Elisabeth_Pommern" title="User:Elisabeth Pommern"><bdi>Elisabeth Pommern</bdi></a>: As you can see from <a class="external free" href="https://editgroups.toolforge.org/b/QSv2/226272/">https://editgroups.toolforge.org/b/QSv2/226272/</a>, I have already scheduled its undoing. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240618220000-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240618220000-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240618220000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240618220000-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240618220000-Elisabeth_Pommern-20240618185800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Nomisma_MnM-20240625051100","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100-Nomisma_MnM","c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625073900-Nomisma_MnM"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Nomisma MnM","linkableTitle":"Nomisma MnM"}--><h2 id="Nomisma_MnM" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nomisma_MnM-20240625051100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nomisma_MnM-20240625051100"></span>Nomisma MnM<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nomisma_MnM-20240625051100"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Nomisma_MnM-20240625051100","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100-Nomisma_MnM","c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625073900-Nomisma_MnM"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Liber008-20240625144900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240625141100","timestamp":"20240625144900"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__6__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Nomisma_MnM-20240625051100","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100-Nomisma_MnM","c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625073900-Nomisma_MnM"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Nomisma MnM","linkableTitle":"Nomisma MnM"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100-Nomisma_MnM"></span>Ciao Epi, vedo che qualcuno (@<a href="/wiki/User:Liber008" title="User:Liber008"><bdi>Liber008</bdi></a>:) a importato un <a class="external text" href="https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/catalog/6329">nuovo catalogo MnM per Nomisma</a>, però al momento manca la proprieta <a href="/wiki/Property:P2950" title="Property:P2950">Nomisma ID <small dir="ltr">(P2950)</small></a> ; potrebbi aggiungerla? Cosi possiamo anche validare le 2k+ links che abbiamo già. Inoltre, siccome questo nuovo catalogo sembra risultare più completo che il <a class="external text" href="https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/catalog/216">vecchio</a>, forse questo sarebbe da cancellare. Grazie e a presto, --<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100-Nomisma_MnM" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100-Nomisma_MnM"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240625051100","author":"Jahl de Vautban","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100-Nomisma_MnM","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240625071900-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100-Nomisma_MnM"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240625071900-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100"></span>Ciao @<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban"><bdi>Jahl de Vautban</bdi></a>:, è un piacere risentirti! Ho disattivato il vecchio catalogo MnM di Nomisma e ho legato la proprietà <a href="/wiki/Property:P2950" title="Property:P2950">Nomisma ID <small dir="ltr">(P2950)</small></a> al nuovo catalogo. Non ho ancora fatto la sincronizzazione (ma chiunque la può fare ora) perché ho trovato un certo numero di abbinamenti che mi lasciavano perplesso, tipicamente abbinamenti tra zecche (mints) di Nomisma e città antiche o città moderne (<a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q832001&diff=prev&oldid=2188147742">es.</a>). L'abbinamento ideale sarebbe quello tra una zecca di Nomisma e una zecca di Wikidata (e.g. <a href="/wiki/Q109791897" title="Q109791897">Okalakom <small>(Q109791897)</small></a>). Da questo punto di vista, ci sono ancora alcune centinaia di abbinamenti scorretti da rimuovere, e ovviamente rimuoverli quando sono solo su Wikidata è più facile che rimuoverli quando sono sia in Wikidata sia in Mix'n'match. L'ideale sarebbe trovare un modo per individuare tutti gli ID di zecche, vedere se sono legati in Wikidata a zecche o a città, rimuoverli da Wikidata e poi fare la sincronizzazione; ma non ho ancora trovato un modo sicuro per individuare tutti gli ID di zecche. Per caso hai idee? <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240625071900-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240625071900-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240625071900","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240625071900-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240625071900-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625051100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625073900-Nomisma_MnM"></span>Dovrei veramente mettermi alla mia tesi inveche di giocare con Wikidata... beh, mi sa che la mia faticca mi è passata. Fortunamente Nomisma a uno <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://nomisma.org/sparql/">SPARQL endpoint</a>; usando li la seguente query dovrebbi prendere tutte le zecche di Nomisma:</dd></dl></dd></dl> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1502159272"><div class="wdt-sparql-container"><div><div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-sparql mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="k">PREFIX</span> <span class="nn">crm</span><span class="p">:</span> <span class="nl"><http://www.cidoc-crm.org/cidoc-crm/></span> <span class="k">PREFIX</span> <span class="nn">dcterms</span><span class="p">:</span> <span class="nl"><http://purl.org/dc/terms/></span> <span class="k">PREFIX</span> <span class="nn">dcmitype</span><span class="p">:</span> <span class="nl"><http://purl.org/dc/dcmitype/></span> <span class="k">PREFIX</span> <span class="nn">foaf</span><span class="p">:</span> <span class="nl"><http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/></span> <span class="k">PREFIX</span> <span class="nn">geo</span><span class="p">:</span> <span class="nl"><http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#></span> <span class="k">PREFIX</span> <span class="nn">nm</span><span class="p">:</span> <span class="nl"><http://nomisma.org/id/></span> <span class="k">PREFIX</span> <span class="nn">nmo</span><span class="p">:</span> <span class="nl"><http://nomisma.org/ontology#></span> <span class="k">PREFIX</span> <span class="nn">org</span><span class="p">:</span> <span class="nl"><http://www.w3.org/ns/org#></span> <span class="k">PREFIX</span> <span class="nn">rdf</span><span class="p">:</span> <span class="nl"><http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#></span> <span class="k">PREFIX</span> <span class="nn">rdfs</span><span class="p">:</span> <span class="nl"><http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#></span> <span class="k">PREFIX</span> <span class="nn">skos</span><span class="p">:</span> <span class="nl"><http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#></span> <span class="k">PREFIX</span> <span class="nn">xsd</span><span class="p">:</span> <span class="nl"><http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#></span> <span class="k">SELECT</span> <span class="o">*</span> <span class="k">WHERE</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="nv">?s</span> <span class="k">a</span> <span class="nn">nmo</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">Mint</span> <span class="p">}</span> </pre></div></div><a class="external text" href="https://query.wikidata.org/#PREFIX%20crm%3A%20%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.cidoc-crm.org%2Fcidoc-crm%2F%3E%0APREFIX%20dcterms%3A%20%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fpurl.org%2Fdc%2Fterms%2F%3E%0APREFIX%20dcmitype%3A%20%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fpurl.org%2Fdc%2Fdcmitype%2F%3E%0APREFIX%20foaf%3A%20%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fxmlns.com%2Ffoaf%2F0.1%2F%3E%0APREFIX%20geo%3A%20%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2003%2F01%2Fgeo%2Fwgs84_pos%23%3E%0APREFIX%20nm%3A%20%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fnomisma.org%2Fid%2F%3E%0APREFIX%20nmo%3A%20%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fnomisma.org%2Fontology%23%3E%0APREFIX%20org%3A%20%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fns%2Forg%23%3E%0APREFIX%20rdf%3A%20%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F1999%2F02%2F22-rdf-syntax-ns%23%3E%0APREFIX%20rdfs%3A%20%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2F01%2Frdf-schema%23%3E%0APREFIX%20skos%3A%20%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2004%2F02%2Fskos%2Fcore%23%3E%0APREFIX%20xsd%3A%20%20%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2FXMLSchema%23%3E%0A%0ASELECT%20%2A%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fs%20a%20nmo%3AMint%0A%7D"><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Try it!</span></a> </div> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625073900-Nomisma_MnM" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625073900-Nomisma_MnM"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240625073900","author":"Jahl de Vautban","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625073900-Nomisma_MnM","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625141000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625073900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625073900-Nomisma_MnM"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a class="external text" href="https://editgroups.toolforge.org/b/QSv2T/1719324292968/"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625141000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625073900"></span>batch in corso</a>, ho preso tutte i Qid che non erano zecche e li ho confrato alla query di nomisma; risulta in 765 elementi da dove tolgo nomisma. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625141000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625073900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625141000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625073900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240625141000","author":"Jahl de Vautban","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625141000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625073900","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240625141100-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625141000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625141000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625073900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240625141100-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625141000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban"><bdi>Jahl de Vautban</bdi></a>: ottimo lavoro, grazie mille! <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240625141100-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625141000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240625141100-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625141000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240625141100","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240625141100-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625141000","replies":["c-Liber008-20240625144900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240625141100"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240625141100-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240625141000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liber008-20240625144900-Epìdosis-20240625141100"></span>Thank you both for adressing this issue, I was eventually going to work more on my Nomisma upload, but I got caught up with other projects in the meantime. Great job! <a href="/wiki/User:Liber008" title="User:Liber008">Liber008</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liber008" title="User talk:Liber008"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Liber008-20240625144900-Epìdosis-20240625141100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liber008-20240625144900-Epìdosis-20240625141100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240625144900","author":"Liber008","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Liber008-20240625144900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240625141100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liber008-20240625144900-Epìdosis-20240625141100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-MnM_Hederich-20240629121200","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200-MnM_Hederich"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"MnM Hederich","linkableTitle":"MnM Hederich"}--><h2 id="MnM_Hederich" data-mw-thread-id="h-MnM_Hederich-20240629121200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-MnM_Hederich-20240629121200"></span>MnM Hederich<span data-mw-comment-end="h-MnM_Hederich-20240629121200"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-MnM_Hederich-20240629121200","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200-MnM_Hederich"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629143200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240629133000","timestamp":"20240629143200"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-MnM_Hederich-20240629121200","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200-MnM_Hederich"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"MnM Hederich","linkableTitle":"MnM Hederich"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200-MnM_Hederich"></span>Ciao Epi, ho fatto <a class="external text" href="https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/catalog/6361">uno nuovo catalogo MnM</a> per <a href="/wiki/Property:P2272" title="Property:P2272">Hederich encyclopedia article <small dir="ltr">(P2272)</small></a> perchè il vecchio aveva frecamente doppioni e descrizione mancante (ho lasciato <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2272#MnM_catalog" title="Property talk:P2272">un messago</a> sulla pagina della proprieta per le spiegazione). Potrebbi cancellare il <a class="external text" href="https://mix-n-match.toolforge.org/#/catalog/108">vecchio</a>? Grazie! --<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200-MnM_Hederich" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:12, 29 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200-MnM_Hederich"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240629121200","author":"Jahl de Vautban","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200-MnM_Hederich","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629131000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200-MnM_Hederich"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629131000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200"></span>Se per caso hai un'idea, non riesco a capire che sarano i 701 IDs che MnM trova su Wikidata ma non nel catalogo. Ho provato varie abbinamenti e tutti concludano che tutte le IDs che sono al momento su Wikidata dovrebbono ritrovarsi nel catalogo. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629131000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629131000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240629131000","author":"Jahl de Vautban","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629131000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240629133000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629131000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629131000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629121200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240629133000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629131000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban"><bdi>Jahl de Vautban</bdi></a>: ho scaricato gli ID dei due cataloghi e li ho confrontato, penso di aver capito il motivo dei 701 ID non trovati. Si tratta di codifiche diverse tra il vecchio catalogo (che poi si è riflesso in Wikidata) e il tuo nuovo catalogo, principalmente in due casi: ID contenenti spazi e ID contenenti caratteri con diacritici. Seguono alcuni esempi:</dd></dl></dd></dl> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <th>Wikidata</th> <th>MnM 108</th> <th>Mnm 6361</th> <th>Problema </th></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Q16515495" title="Q16515495">Amphidamas <small>(Q16515495)</small></a></td> <td>Amphidamas [1]</td> <td>Amphidamas+[1]</td> <td>Spazio vs + </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Q98318185" title="Q98318185">Ampyx <small>(Q98318185)</small></a></td> <td>Ampyx+[1]</td> <td>Ampyx+[1]</td> <td>Stranamente qui il vecchio catalogo ha anch'esso + quindi il problema non si pone </td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/wiki/Q21547793" title="Q21547793">Acholoë <small>(Q21547793)</small></a></td> <td>Acholoë</td> <td>Acholoë</td> <td>Sembrano ID uguali, però per qualche motivo il nuovo MnM non riesce a importare l'abbinamento da Wikidata </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Spero possa esserti utile. Sicuramente farei una sostituzione massiva degli spazi con + per gli ID presenti in Wikidata, si imposta facilmente con <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Autofix" title="Template:Autofix">Autofix</a>}}</code>. Per gli ID coi caratteri con diacritici al momento non ho soluzioni, sembra un bug dell'autosync di MnM. Quando mi dai conferma cancello il vecchio catalogo; magari può ancora essere utile tenerlo per qualche ora/giorno per qualche ultimo check in confronto col nuovo. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240629133000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629131000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240629133000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629131000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240629133000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240629133000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629131000","replies":["c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629143200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240629133000"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240629133000-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629131000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629143200-Epìdosis-20240629133000"></span>Grazie per l'indagine! Avendo gia modificato prima oggi la regex per togliere il spazio, ho simplicemente preso tutti le ID che l'avevano ancora e fatto un batch con QS; in fato questo era la prima motivazione a fare un nuovo catalogo. Forse queste modifiche metrano più tempo ad arrivare in MnM; riprovo domani. Per le diacritici provo a trovarle tutte e a fare l'abbinamento manualmente. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl de Vautban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User talk:Jahl de Vautban"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629143200-Epìdosis-20240629133000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629143200-Epìdosis-20240629133000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240629143200","author":"Jahl de Vautban","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629143200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240629133000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jahl_de_Vautban-20240629143200-Epìdosis-20240629133000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240715153600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Ping_new_property-20240715153600","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240715153600-Ping_new_property"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Ping new property","linkableTitle":"Ping new property"}--><h2 id="Ping_new_property" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ping_new_property-20240715153600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ping_new_property-20240715153600"></span>Ping new property<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ping_new_property-20240715153600"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240715153600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Ping_new_property-20240715153600","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240715153600-Ping_new_property"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240715153600-Ping_new_property","timestamp":"20240715153600"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240715153600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Ping_new_property-20240715153600","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240715153600-Ping_new_property"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Ping new property","linkableTitle":"Ping new property"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240715153600-Ping_new_property"></span>Hi Epi, could you help me and ping the appropriate projects for this new property: <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/The_New_Mithraeum_ID" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/The New Mithraeum ID">The New Mithraem ID</a>. I don't know why, each time I try to ping a project, the ping doesn't go through. According to the <a href="/wiki/Template:Ping_project" title="Template:Ping project">template</a>, maybe it was because I didn't sign my message, but it seems to be a recurring error for me. Thank you! <small> – <bdi lang="en"><i>The preceding <a href="/wiki/Q4663253" title="Q4663253">unsigned</a> comment was added by</i> <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User:Liber008" title="User:Liber008">Liber008</a></bdi> (<bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liber008" title="User talk:Liber008">talk</a></bdi> • <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liber008" title="Special:Contributions/Liber008">contribs</a></bdi>).</bdi></small> </p> <dl><dd>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Liber008" title="User:Liber008"><bdi>Liber008</bdi></a>:, I did it and now the pings should work. Remember that, when you use <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Ping" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ping">Ping</a>}}</code> and/or <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Ping_project" title="Template:Ping project">Ping project</a>}}</code>, you should add the ping templates <i>in the same message</i> that you sign; if you forget to sign the message and you add the signature in a second message, the pings won't work. So, if you forget to sign, first edit and remove the pings, then edit again adding the pings and the signature in the same edit; that should work. For any question of course I'm here ;-) --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240715153600-Ping_new_property" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240715153600-Ping_new_property"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240715153600","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240715153600-Ping_new_property","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240715153600-Ping_new_property"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Accurimbono-20240617091400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Propriet\u00e0_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae-20240617091400","replies":["c-Accurimbono-20240617091400-Propriet\u00e0_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Propriet\u00e0 per EDF Epigraphic Database Falsae","linkableTitle":"Propriet\u00e0 per EDF Epigraphic Database Falsae"}--><h2 id="Proprietà_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proprietà_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae-20240617091400"><span id="Propriet.C3.A0_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proprietà_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae-20240617091400"></span>Proprietà per EDF Epigraphic Database Falsae<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proprietà_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae-20240617091400"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Accurimbono-20240617091400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Propriet\u00e0_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae-20240617091400","replies":["c-Accurimbono-20240617091400-Propriet\u00e0_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Accurimbono-20240719075300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240718193800","timestamp":"20240719075300"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__6__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Accurimbono-20240617091400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Propriet\u00e0_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae-20240617091400","replies":["c-Accurimbono-20240617091400-Propriet\u00e0_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Propriet\u00e0 per EDF Epigraphic Database Falsae","linkableTitle":"Propriet\u00e0 per EDF Epigraphic Database Falsae"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Accurimbono-20240617091400-Proprietà_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae"></span>Ciao, buongiorno, ho visto che aveva formulato la proposta della P12495 (identificativo Epigraphic Database Roma): potresti proporre analogamente una proprietà per l'identificativo Epigraphic Database Falsae (EDF)? </p> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://edf.unive.it/">http://edf.unive.it/</a></li> <li>Esempio: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://edf.unive.it/schede/pubblica/mostra/EDF001113">http://edf.unive.it/schede/pubblica/mostra/EDF001113</a></li> <li>Vedi anche Q124542122</li></ul> <p>Grazie, ciao, <a href="/wiki/User:Accurimbono" title="User:Accurimbono">Accurimbono</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Accurimbono" title="User talk:Accurimbono"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Accurimbono-20240617091400-Proprietà_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Accurimbono-20240617091400-Proprietà_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240617091400","author":"Accurimbono","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Accurimbono-20240617091400-Propriet\u00e0_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240617112400-Accurimbono-20240617091400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Accurimbono-20240617091400-Proprietà_per_EDF_Epigraphic_Database_Falsae"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240617112400-Accurimbono-20240617091400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Accurimbono" title="User:Accurimbono"><bdi>Accurimbono</bdi></a>: certamente, entro dopodomani ci riesco senza problemi e con grande piacere. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240617112400-Accurimbono-20240617091400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240617112400-Accurimbono-20240617091400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240617112400","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240617112400-Accurimbono-20240617091400","replies":["c-Accurimbono-20240618070100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240617112400"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240617112400-Accurimbono-20240617091400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Accurimbono-20240618070100-Epìdosis-20240617112400"></span>Grazie mille,</dd> <dd>nel frattempo ho preparato su Commons: <ul><li><a class="external free" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Epigraphic_Database_Falsae">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Epigraphic_Database_Falsae</a></li> <li><a class="external free" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:EDF">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:EDF</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>Sulla falsariga dei corrispondenti EDR.</dd> <dd>Ciao, <a href="/wiki/User:Accurimbono" title="User:Accurimbono">Accurimbono</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Accurimbono" title="User talk:Accurimbono"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Accurimbono-20240618070100-Epìdosis-20240617112400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Accurimbono-20240618070100-Epìdosis-20240617112400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240618070100","author":"Accurimbono","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Accurimbono-20240618070100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240617112400","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240619070700-Accurimbono-20240618070100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Accurimbono-20240618070100-Epìdosis-20240617112400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240619070700-Accurimbono-20240618070100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Accurimbono" title="User:Accurimbono"><bdi>Accurimbono</bdi></a>: ciao, la mia proposta di proprietà è sostanzialmente pronta, tuttavia da ieri sera EDF non si carica; appena si carica la completo e la salvo. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240619070700-Accurimbono-20240618070100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240619070700-Accurimbono-20240618070100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240619070700","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240619070700-Accurimbono-20240618070100","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240718193800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240619070700"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240619070700-Accurimbono-20240618070100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240718193800-Epìdosis-20240619070700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Accurimbono" title="User:Accurimbono"><bdi>Accurimbono</bdi></a>: a distanza di un mese la situazione è invariata: la mia proposta è pronta, ma da allora EDF non è più tornato online - anzi, mi pare che recentemente abbia pure smesso di comparire nelle ricerche Google, brutto segno. Continuo comunque ad attendere, ogni tanto controllo. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240718193800-Epìdosis-20240619070700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240718193800-Epìdosis-20240619070700"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240718193800","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240718193800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240619070700","replies":["c-Accurimbono-20240719075300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240718193800"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240718193800-Epìdosis-20240619070700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Accurimbono-20240719075300-Epìdosis-20240718193800"></span>Ciao @<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><bdi>Epìdosis</bdi></a>:,</dd> <dd>Ho inviato il 19/6 una email all'Area Servizi Informatici e Telecomunicazioni dell'UNIVE, mi hanno risposto il 20/6 che si sono attivati con il professore referente di progetto, ma da allora nessuna novità.</dd> <dd>Intanto ti ringrazio per la disponibilità e direi di congelare la proposta in attesa (i.e. nella speranza) che EDF torni online.</dd> <dd>Ciao, <a href="/wiki/User:Accurimbono" title="User:Accurimbono">Accurimbono</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Accurimbono" title="User talk:Accurimbono"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Accurimbono-20240719075300-Epìdosis-20240718193800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Accurimbono-20240719075300-Epìdosis-20240718193800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240719075300","author":"Accurimbono","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Accurimbono-20240719075300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240718193800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Accurimbono-20240719075300-Epìdosis-20240718193800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Difool-20240619020600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Bots-20240619020600","replies":["c-Difool-20240619020600-Bots"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Bots","linkableTitle":"Bots"}--><h2 id="Bots" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bots-20240619020600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bots-20240619020600"></span>Bots<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bots-20240619020600"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Difool-20240619020600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Bots-20240619020600","replies":["c-Difool-20240619020600-Bots"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Difool-20240719021500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240717124600","timestamp":"20240719021500"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__5__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Difool-20240619020600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Bots-20240619020600","replies":["c-Difool-20240619020600-Bots"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Bots","linkableTitle":"Bots"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Difool-20240619020600-Bots"></span>Congratulations on receiving the bot flag for your bot! I'll already see its edits on my watchlist. The code could probably be used for other references, such as <a href="/wiki/Property:P269" title="Property:P269">IdRef ID <small dir="ltr">(P269)</small></a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P268" title="Property:P268">Bibliothèque nationale de France ID <small dir="ltr">(P268)</small></a> - I also saw <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Bot_requests#Request_to_replace_URL_to_idref.fr_by_the_dedicated_property_P269_(2024-01-31)" title="Wikidata:Bot requests">this related request</a> from @<a href="/wiki/User:Jahl_de_Vautban" title="User:Jahl de Vautban">Jahl_de_Vautban</a>. My bot is currently busy with <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/DifoolBot_3" title="Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/DifoolBot 3">task 3</a>, the BNF ID part, once that is finished I'll let it work on linking VIAF IDs again. <a href="/wiki/User:Difool" title="User:Difool">Difool</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Difool" title="User talk:Difool"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Difool-20240619020600-Bots" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:06, 19 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Difool-20240619020600-Bots"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240619020600","author":"Difool","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Difool-20240619020600-Bots","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240619072500-Difool-20240619020600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Difool-20240619020600-Bots"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240619072500-Difool-20240619020600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Difool" title="User:Difool"><bdi>Difool</bdi></a>: thanks very much for your congratulations! I surely intend to recycle my code for other fixes to references and surely the request by Jahl to which you point would be an easy but important task to which I could commit. I don't know when I will finish these fixes to <a href="/wiki/Property:P21" title="Property:P21">sex or gender <small dir="ltr">(P21)</small></a> since there is a very big amount of references to fix, but I will surely bear in mind the IDREF fix for that time. Thanks also for taking care of the VIAF part, it is much needed; I'm sorry for not having contributed much to solving <a href="/wiki/User:Difool/viaf_already_somewhere" title="User:Difool/viaf already somewhere">User:Difool/viaf already somewhere</a> in the last months, I have had many things to do for my PhD and also here on Wikidata (I have been busy contacting some authority files to obtain fixes to mistakes I noticed through Wikidata, and I have also continued my longstanding activity of merging duplicate humans and of taking care of unique-value constraint violations for some authority files); I hope to be able to help you again when the list will be enlarged again during the new bot run, although I fear that at least in the second half of this year my other activities won't decrease; I will anyway try to help, this task is very important and deserves to be undertaken by more users. See you soon, <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240619072500-Difool-20240619020600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240619072500-Difool-20240619020600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240619072500","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240619072500-Difool-20240619020600","replies":["c-Difool-20240717021000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240619072500"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240619072500-Difool-20240619020600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Difool-20240717021000-Epìdosis-20240619072500"></span>Oh, don't worry about that --- I don't mind going through the list. And your PhD is, of course, more important!</dd> <dd>On a related note, I'm about to submit another bot permission request based on Jahl de Vautban's suggestion. This request involves replacing the <a href="/wiki/Property:P854" title="Property:P854">reference URL <small dir="ltr">(P854)</small></a> in sources with associated properties (as shown <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q110082307&diff=next&oldid=2206231858">here</a>) and merging identical sources (as shown <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q110082307&diff=prev&oldid=2206231633">here</a>). When I replace the URL or merge sources, I typically remove the reference URL. My reasoning for doing so is that the reference URL doesn't provide additional information (since you can obtain details from <a href="/wiki/Property:P269" title="Property:P269">IdRef ID <small dir="ltr">(P269)</small></a> --- though the same could be said for <a href="/wiki/Property:P248" title="Property:P248">stated in <small dir="ltr">(P248)</small></a>) and the URL may even be outdated. What are your thoughts on this?</dd> <dd>And just to be safe, could you confirm that the oxford URL's <a href="/wiki/Q75364637#Q75364637$0C4DC8CE-109A-4AA4-B11B-0D89C90ED896" title="Q75364637">here</a> can be replaces with <a href="/wiki/Property:P2843" title="Property:P2843">Benezit ID <small dir="ltr">(P2843)</small></a> B00054215? <a href="/wiki/User:Difool" title="User:Difool">Difool</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Difool" title="User talk:Difool"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Difool-20240717021000-Epìdosis-20240619072500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Difool-20240717021000-Epìdosis-20240619072500"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240717021000","author":"Difool","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Difool-20240717021000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240619072500","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240717124600-Difool-20240717021000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Difool-20240717021000-Epìdosis-20240619072500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240717124600-Difool-20240717021000"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Difool" title="User:Difool"><bdi>Difool</bdi></a>:, thanks for writing me! Yes, I can confirm that both <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://oxfordindex.oup.com/view/10.1093/benz/9780199773787.article.B00054215">http://oxfordindex.oup.com/view/10.1093/benz/9780199773787.article.B00054215</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.oxfordartonline.com/benezit/view/10.1093/benz/9780199773787.001.0001/acref-9780199773787-e-00054215">http://www.oxfordartonline.com/benezit/view/10.1093/benz/9780199773787.001.0001/acref-9780199773787-e-00054215</a> are redundant in comparison with <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P2843" title="Property:P2843">Benezit ID <small>(P2843)</small></a></span><span class="object">B00054215</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130">. As for the use of <a href="/wiki/Property:P854" title="Property:P854">reference URL <small dir="ltr">(P854)</small></a>, I think that your interpretation (i.e. that a P854 value which is redundant in comparison with the related ID property value should be removed) is the most reasonable, and adequate to the needs of Wikidata (also in terms of reducing as much as possible redundant information, to decrease a bit the huge burden of data ingested in the query service etc.); it is also the one compliant with the guideline <a href="/wiki/Help:Sources#Adding_a_source_to_a_statement" title="Help:Sources">Help:Sources#Adding a source to a statement</a>, which shows a 3-properties-reference with no redundant P854 (and recommends P854 only when an ID is missing). Whilst I remember having heard a few times users defending also the presence of redundant P854, I personally think that the first interpretation is still the best one; I often remove manually redundant P854 values.</dd> <dd>I would add to your task also the following task: if a statement already contains 1+ references with <a href="/wiki/Property:P248" title="Property:P248">stated in <small dir="ltr">(P248)</small></a>, removing possible references containing <a href="/wiki/Property:P143" title="Property:P143">imported from Wikimedia project <small dir="ltr">(P143)</small></a> (and/or <a href="/wiki/Property:P4656" title="Property:P4656">Wikimedia import URL <small dir="ltr">(P4656)</small></a>) attached to it; this is also included in <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/Epid%C3%B2seosBot" title="Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/EpidòseosBot">Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/EpidòseosBot</a> and I think it is another useful way to reduce redundancy (in this case, removing mediocre-quality sources in presence of good-quality sources).</dd> <dd>Finally I just want to thank you again for this great work, reducing reduncancy in references is one of the thing that I have desidered for long time in Wikidata, and I'm very happy it's now coming to a turning point. Bye! <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240717124600-Difool-20240717021000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240717124600-Difool-20240717021000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240717124600","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240717124600-Difool-20240717021000","replies":["c-Difool-20240719021500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240717124600"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240717124600-Difool-20240717021000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Difool-20240719021500-Epìdosis-20240717124600"></span>Thanks for the kind words! I've added the bot request: <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Bot/DifoolBot_5" title="Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/DifoolBot 5">Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/DifoolBot 5</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Difool" title="User:Difool">Difool</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Difool" title="User talk:Difool"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Difool-20240719021500-Epìdosis-20240717124600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 19 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Difool-20240719021500-Epìdosis-20240717124600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240719021500","author":"Difool","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Difool-20240719021500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240717124600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Difool-20240719021500-Epìdosis-20240717124600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Wiccio-20240623093800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Quali_riferimento_\u00e8_pi\u00f9_opportuno?-20240623093800","replies":["c-Wiccio-20240623093800-Quali_riferimento_\u00e8_pi\u00f9_opportuno?"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Quali riferimento \u00e8 pi\u00f9 opportuno?","linkableTitle":"Quali riferimento \u00e8 pi\u00f9 opportuno?"}--><h2 id="Quali_riferimento_è_più_opportuno?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Quali_riferimento_è_più_opportuno?-20240623093800"><span id="Quali_riferimento_.C3.A8_pi.C3.B9_opportuno.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Quali_riferimento_è_più_opportuno?-20240623093800"></span>Quali riferimento è più opportuno?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Quali_riferimento_è_più_opportuno?-20240623093800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Wiccio-20240623093800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Quali_riferimento_\u00e8_pi\u00f9_opportuno?-20240623093800","replies":["c-Wiccio-20240623093800-Quali_riferimento_\u00e8_pi\u00f9_opportuno?"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Wiccio-20240717163400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240717162600","timestamp":"20240717163400"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__10__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Wiccio-20240623093800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Quali_riferimento_\u00e8_pi\u00f9_opportuno?-20240623093800","replies":["c-Wiccio-20240623093800-Quali_riferimento_\u00e8_pi\u00f9_opportuno?"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Quali riferimento \u00e8 pi\u00f9 opportuno?","linkableTitle":"Quali riferimento \u00e8 pi\u00f9 opportuno?"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wiccio-20240623093800-Quali_riferimento_è_più_opportuno?"></span>Buondì Epì! In oggetto una domanda da niubbo quale sono! Finora ho sempre inserito proprietà agli elementi senza aggiungere i rispettivi riferimenti ma reputando sia più completo e informativo evidenziare la fonte del dato inserito, mi ritrovo a non sapere quale riferimento utilizzare. Nello specifico, al momento con il mio bot mi sto occupando di film; in sostanza leggo l'ID di IMDb o TMDb (che sono i database più ampi per quanto riguarda i film) direttamente dal sito per il quale sto inserendo l'asserzione e cerco la rispettiva entità su Wikidata. Stavo pertanto iniziando a usare <a href="/wiki/Property:P887" title="Property:P887">based on heuristic <small dir="ltr">(P887)</small></a> con <a href="/wiki/Q115288501" title="Q115288501">inferred from IMDb ID database lookup <small>(Q115288501)</small></a> come riferimento ma noto che altri utenti utilizzano piuttosto <a href="/wiki/Property:P248" title="Property:P248">stated in <small dir="ltr">(P248)</small></a>. Qual è il riferimento più adatto nel mio caso? --<a href="/wiki/User:Wiccio" title="User:Wiccio">Wiccio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wiccio" title="User talk:Wiccio"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Wiccio-20240623093800-Quali_riferimento_è_più_opportuno?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wiccio-20240623093800-Quali_riferimento_è_più_opportuno?"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240623093800","author":"Wiccio","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wiccio-20240623093800-Quali_riferimento_\u00e8_pi\u00f9_opportuno?","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240623113800-Wiccio-20240623093800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wiccio-20240623093800-Quali_riferimento_è_più_opportuno?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240623113800-Wiccio-20240623093800"></span>Buon pomeriggio @<a href="/wiki/User:Wiccio" title="User:Wiccio"><bdi>Wiccio</bdi></a>:, grazie per la domanda. Il riferimento più adatto si compone di tre parti: <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P248" title="Property:P248">stated in <small>(P248)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q37312" title="Q37312">Internet Movie Database <small>(Q37312)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> + <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P345" title="Property:P345">IMDb ID <small>(P345)</small></a></span><span class="object">ID</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> + <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P813" title="Property:P813">retrieved <small>(P813)</small></a></span><span class="object">data</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130">; idem per TMDb, <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P248" title="Property:P248">stated in <small>(P248)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q20828898" title="Q20828898">The Movie Database <small>(Q20828898)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> + <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P4947" title="Property:P4947">TMDB movie ID <small>(P4947)</small></a></span><span class="object">ID</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> + <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P813" title="Property:P813">retrieved <small>(P813)</small></a></span><span class="object">data</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130">. Per qualunque domanda sono a disposizione! A presto, <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240623113800-Wiccio-20240623093800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240623113800-Wiccio-20240623093800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240623113800","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240623113800-Wiccio-20240623093800","replies":["c-Wiccio-20240623130700-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240623113800","c-Wiccio-20240717112200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240623113800"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240623113800-Wiccio-20240623093800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wiccio-20240623130700-Epìdosis-20240623113800"></span>Tenchiu @<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis">Epìdosis</a>, sempre precisissimo! Capito, in tal caso convertirò le attuali P887 che ho inserito con le P248 composte come da tua spiegazione. Mi rimane solo una domanda a pertinenza: essendo il mio script semestrale, qualora le informazioni non subiscano modifiche da ora a sei mesi (come normale che sia), al prossimo lancio dello script dovrei semplicemente aggiornare il campo della data o consigli di lasciarlo invariato per attestare il primo inserimento? --<a href="/wiki/User:Wiccio" title="User:Wiccio">Wiccio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wiccio" title="User talk:Wiccio"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Wiccio-20240623130700-Epìdosis-20240623113800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wiccio-20240623130700-Epìdosis-20240623113800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240623130700","author":"Wiccio","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wiccio-20240623130700-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240623113800","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240623133000-Wiccio-20240623130700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wiccio-20240623130700-Epìdosis-20240623113800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240623133000-Wiccio-20240623130700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Wiccio" title="User:Wiccio"><bdi>Wiccio</bdi></a>: Io direi di aggiornare la data di consultazione; cioè, <a href="/wiki/Property:P813" title="Property:P813">retrieved <small dir="ltr">(P813)</small></a> attesta la data in cui hai estratto i dati dal database, se li estrai ora vale la data odierna, se li estrai tra sei mesi andrebbe messa la data di tra sei mesi; perché comunque <a href="/wiki/Property:P813" title="Property:P813">retrieved <small dir="ltr">(P813)</small></a> non riguarda la data di ultima modifica di IMDb, ma la data in cui tu hai estratto le informazioni da IMDb. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240623133000-Wiccio-20240623130700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240623133000-Wiccio-20240623130700"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240623133000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240623133000-Wiccio-20240623130700","replies":["c-Wiccio-20240623155300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240623133000"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240623133000-Wiccio-20240623130700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wiccio-20240623155300-Epìdosis-20240623133000"></span>Pierfietto, così farò! Gracias. ;-) --<a href="/wiki/User:Wiccio" title="User:Wiccio">Wiccio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wiccio" title="User talk:Wiccio"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Wiccio-20240623155300-Epìdosis-20240623133000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:53, 23 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wiccio-20240623155300-Epìdosis-20240623133000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240623155300","author":"Wiccio","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Wiccio-20240623155300-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240623133000","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wiccio-20240623155300-Epìdosis-20240623133000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wiccio-20240717112200-Epìdosis-20240623113800"></span>Ciao Epì, scusa se torno sull'argomento ma sono ancora confuso. Stavo riflettendo che un <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P248" title="Property:P248">stated in <small>(P248)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q37312" title="Q37312">Internet Movie Database <small>(Q37312)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> + <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P345" title="Property:P345">IMDb ID <small>(P345)</small></a></span><span class="object">IMDb ID</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> non è totalmente corretto dal momento in cui sul sito di IMDb non vi è alcun riferimento alle proprietà delle quali mi sto occupando. Il mio bot usa sì l'ID IMDb come fonte, ma sul sito di IMDb non compie nessuna azione/ricerca, l'ID lo prende dal sito stesso per il quale sto inserendo l'asserzione. P.e. per <a href="/wiki/Property:P12196" title="Property:P12196">TheTVDB movie ID <small dir="ltr">(P12196)</small></a>, il bot cicla ogni pagina in questo database e cerca dentro al sorgente di ogni singola pagina il rispettivo collegamento a IMDb, con quest'ultimo dato cerca su Wikidata la relativa entità. Dunque il bot parte dall'ID TheTVDB numero <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://thetvdb.com/dereferrer/movie/1">1</a>, ottiene dal sorgente della pagina l'ID IMDb <code>tt0437086</code> e lo usa per cercare su Wikidata tramite SPARQL la rispettiva entità <a href="/wiki/Q24053265" title="Q24053265">Alita: Battle Angel <small>(Q24053265)</small></a>. Quindi la fonte dell'affermazione è la pagina stessa di TheTVDb, mi verrebbe da dire. Sperando di essere riuscito a rendere chiara la logica del mio bot, qual è il tuo esito a riguardo della gestione dei riferimenti? --<a href="/wiki/User:Wiccio" title="User:Wiccio">Wiccio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wiccio" title="User talk:Wiccio"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Wiccio-20240717112200-Epìdosis-20240623113800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wiccio-20240717112200-Epìdosis-20240623113800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240717112200","author":"Wiccio","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wiccio-20240717112200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240623113800","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240717123400-Wiccio-20240717112200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wiccio-20240717112200-Epìdosis-20240623113800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240717123400-Wiccio-20240717112200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Wiccio" title="User:Wiccio"><bdi>Wiccio</bdi></a>: penso di aver capito meglio, anche guardando <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wicci%27o%27Bot" title="Special:Contributions/Wicci'o'Bot">Special:Contribs/Wicci'o'Bot</a>; suggerirei <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P11797" title="Property:P11797">matched by identifier from <small>(P11797)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q37312" title="Q37312">Internet Movie Database <small>(Q37312)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> + <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P345" title="Property:P345">IMDb ID <small>(P345)</small></a></span><span class="object">ID</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130">; effettivamente usi Imdb non tanto come fonte di informazioni, ma come ID per fare ponte tra Wikidata (che ha IMDb ma non TheTVDB) e TheTVDB (che ha IMDb ma non Wikidata), quindi P11797 è più precisa di P248 in questo caso. Cosa ne pensi? <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240717123400-Wiccio-20240717112200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240717123400-Wiccio-20240717112200"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240717123400","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240717123400-Wiccio-20240717112200","replies":["c-Wiccio-20240717155400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240717123400"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240717123400-Wiccio-20240717112200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wiccio-20240717155400-Epìdosis-20240717123400"></span>Esattamente, l'ID IMDb è lo strumento che fa da collante piuttosto che la fonte vera e propria. Però anche con <a href="/wiki/Property:P11797" title="Property:P11797">matched by identifier from <small dir="ltr">(P11797)</small></a>, così come con <a href="/wiki/Property:P248" title="Property:P248">stated in <small dir="ltr">(P248)</small></a>, l'entità passata come parametro non sta a indicare dove risiede l'identificativo col quale è avvenuto l'abbinamento? L'ID di IMDb io lo leggo da TheTVDb. Ma credo che scrivere <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P11797" title="Property:P11797">matched by identifier from <small>(P11797)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q15616250" title="Q15616250">TheTVDB <small>(Q15616250)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> + <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P345" title="Property:P345">IMDb ID <small>(P345)</small></a></span><span class="object">tt0437086</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> non abbia molto senso. --<a href="/wiki/User:Wiccio" title="User:Wiccio">Wiccio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wiccio" title="User talk:Wiccio"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Wiccio-20240717155400-Epìdosis-20240717123400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 17 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wiccio-20240717155400-Epìdosis-20240717123400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240717155400","author":"Wiccio","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Wiccio-20240717155400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240717123400","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240717162600-Wiccio-20240717155400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wiccio-20240717155400-Epìdosis-20240717123400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240717162600-Wiccio-20240717155400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Wiccio" title="User:Wiccio"><bdi>Wiccio</bdi></a>: forse la cosa più completa potrebbe essere la seguente: <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P248" title="Property:P248">stated in <small>(P248)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q15616250" title="Q15616250">TheTVDB <small>(Q15616250)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> + <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P11797" title="Property:P11797">matched by identifier from <small>(P11797)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q37312" title="Q37312">Internet Movie Database <small>(Q37312)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> + <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P345" title="Property:P345">IMDb ID <small>(P345)</small></a></span><span class="object">ID IMDb che leggi in TheTVDb</span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130">. Come ti pare? <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240717162600-Wiccio-20240717155400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240717162600-Wiccio-20240717155400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240717162600","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240717162600-Wiccio-20240717155400","replies":["c-Wiccio-20240717163400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240717162600"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240717162600-Wiccio-20240717155400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wiccio-20240717163400-Epìdosis-20240717162600"></span>Suona bene! E credo sia comprensibile anche per chi non conosce la logica del bot. Sempre paziente, rapido e gentile! Grazie Epì! ;-)) --<a href="/wiki/User:Wiccio" title="User:Wiccio">Wiccio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wiccio" title="User talk:Wiccio"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Wiccio-20240717163400-Epìdosis-20240717162600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wiccio-20240717163400-Epìdosis-20240717162600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240717163400","author":"Wiccio","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Wiccio-20240717163400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240717162600","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wiccio-20240717163400-Epìdosis-20240717162600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-AmaliaMM-20240731081800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Un_collegamentio_improprio-20240731081800","replies":["c-AmaliaMM-20240731081800-Un_collegamentio_improprio"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Un collegamentio improprio","linkableTitle":"Un collegamentio improprio"}--><h2 id="Un_collegamentio_improprio" data-mw-thread-id="h-Un_collegamentio_improprio-20240731081800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Un_collegamentio_improprio-20240731081800"></span>Un collegamentio improprio<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Un_collegamentio_improprio-20240731081800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-AmaliaMM-20240731081800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Un_collegamentio_improprio-20240731081800","replies":["c-AmaliaMM-20240731081800-Un_collegamentio_improprio"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-AmaliaMM-20240731085200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240731084900","timestamp":"20240731085200"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__6__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-AmaliaMM-20240731081800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Un_collegamentio_improprio-20240731081800","replies":["c-AmaliaMM-20240731081800-Un_collegamentio_improprio"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Un collegamentio improprio","linkableTitle":"Un collegamentio improprio"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AmaliaMM-20240731081800-Un_collegamentio_improprio"></span>Ciao, <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5460091">qui</a> sono collegati due romanzi evidentemente di autori diversi. Io sto lavorando su quello in italiano di Glenn Cooper, ma non comprendo cosa sia potuto accadere. In ogni caso, sempre per il libro in italiano, ho tre fonti che lo qualificano come libro di Glenn Cooper, mentre l'altro autore mi è del tutto sconosciuto. Spero nelle tue arti magiche... grazie, amalia <a href="/wiki/User:AmaliaMM" title="User:AmaliaMM">AmaliaMM</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmaliaMM" title="User talk:AmaliaMM"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-AmaliaMM-20240731081800-Un_collegamentio_improprio" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:18, 31 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AmaliaMM-20240731081800-Un_collegamentio_improprio"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240731081800","author":"AmaliaMM","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AmaliaMM-20240731081800-Un_collegamentio_improprio","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240731082300-AmaliaMM-20240731081800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AmaliaMM-20240731081800-Un_collegamentio_improprio"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240731082300-AmaliaMM-20240731081800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AmaliaMM" title="User:AmaliaMM"><bdi>AmaliaMM</bdi></a>: confermo, sono due opere distinte; i due elementi erano stati erroneamente uniti nel 2017, ho annullato l'unione e ora non ci sono più problemi. Buon wiki! <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240731082300-AmaliaMM-20240731081800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240731082300-AmaliaMM-20240731081800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240731082300","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240731082300-AmaliaMM-20240731081800","replies":["c-AmaliaMM-20240731083600-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240731082300"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240731082300-AmaliaMM-20240731081800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AmaliaMM-20240731083600-Epìdosis-20240731082300"></span>Ciao, invece ci sono perché L'invasione delle tenebre (titolo italiano) ora figura di Alistair McFarlane e invece è di Glenn Cooper... scusa se sono tanto insistente, grazie <a href="/wiki/User:AmaliaMM" title="User:AmaliaMM">AmaliaMM</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmaliaMM" title="User talk:AmaliaMM"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-AmaliaMM-20240731083600-Epìdosis-20240731082300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AmaliaMM-20240731083600-Epìdosis-20240731082300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240731083600","author":"AmaliaMM","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-AmaliaMM-20240731083600-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240731082300","replies":["c-AmaliaMM-20240731084600-AmaliaMM-20240731083600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AmaliaMM-20240731083600-Epìdosis-20240731082300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AmaliaMM-20240731084600-AmaliaMM-20240731083600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><bdi>Epìdosis</bdi></a>:, ti ringrazio per quanto hai fatto, consentendomi di recuperare un importante collegamento esterno. Ciao <a href="/wiki/User:AmaliaMM" title="User:AmaliaMM">AmaliaMM</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmaliaMM" title="User talk:AmaliaMM"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-AmaliaMM-20240731084600-AmaliaMM-20240731083600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:46, 31 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AmaliaMM-20240731084600-AmaliaMM-20240731083600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240731084600","author":"AmaliaMM","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-AmaliaMM-20240731084600-AmaliaMM-20240731083600","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240731084900-AmaliaMM-20240731084600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AmaliaMM-20240731084600-AmaliaMM-20240731083600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240731084900-AmaliaMM-20240731084600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AmaliaMM" title="User:AmaliaMM"><bdi>AmaliaMM</bdi></a>: Ho ricontrollato, io ora vedo i due elementi separati correttamente (<a href="/wiki/Q24953233" title="Q24953233">Down - Floodgate <small>(Q24953233)</small></a> e <a href="/wiki/Q5460091" title="Q5460091">Floodgate <small>(Q5460091)</small></a>); non mi pare che <i>L'invasione delle tenebre</i> figuri di Alistair McFarlane. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240731084900-AmaliaMM-20240731084600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240731084900-AmaliaMM-20240731084600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240731084900","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240731084900-AmaliaMM-20240731084600","replies":["c-AmaliaMM-20240731085200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240731084900"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240731084900-AmaliaMM-20240731084600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AmaliaMM-20240731085200-Epìdosis-20240731084900"></span>Sì, certo, ora tutto bene, come avevo scritto sopra. Grazie ancora e a presto, <a href="/wiki/User:AmaliaMM" title="User:AmaliaMM">AmaliaMM</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmaliaMM" title="User talk:AmaliaMM"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-AmaliaMM-20240731085200-Epìdosis-20240731084900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AmaliaMM-20240731085200-Epìdosis-20240731084900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240731085200","author":"AmaliaMM","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-AmaliaMM-20240731085200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240731084900","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AmaliaMM-20240731085200-Epìdosis-20240731084900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Sceneggiatore_non_esistente-20240805201900","replies":["c-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900-Sceneggiatore_non_esistente"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Sceneggiatore non esistente","linkableTitle":"Sceneggiatore non esistente"}--><h2 id="Sceneggiatore_non_esistente" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sceneggiatore_non_esistente-20240805201900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sceneggiatore_non_esistente-20240805201900"></span>Sceneggiatore non esistente<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sceneggiatore_non_esistente-20240805201900"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Sceneggiatore_non_esistente-20240805201900","replies":["c-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900-Sceneggiatore_non_esistente"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Luke_Stark_96-20240805212800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240805211100","timestamp":"20240805212800"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Sceneggiatore_non_esistente-20240805201900","replies":["c-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900-Sceneggiatore_non_esistente"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Sceneggiatore non esistente","linkableTitle":"Sceneggiatore non esistente"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900-Sceneggiatore_non_esistente"></span>Ciao, nella pagina di <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q112322116">Captain America: Brave New World</a> volevo aggiungere lo sceneggiatore Matthew Orton, ma non riesco a inserirlo, perché mi compaiono due persone con quel nome ma nessuno dei due è giusto, ciò significa che la pagina non esiste e che bisogna crearla prima di inserirla nella pagina in questione?--<a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Stark_96" title="User:Luke Stark 96">Luke Stark 96</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Luke_Stark_96" title="User talk:Luke Stark 96"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900-Sceneggiatore_non_esistente" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900-Sceneggiatore_non_esistente"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240805201900","author":"Luke Stark 96","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900-Sceneggiatore_non_esistente","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240805211100-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900-Sceneggiatore_non_esistente"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240805211100-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Stark_96" title="User:Luke Stark 96"><bdi>Luke Stark 96</bdi></a>: esattamente, puoi usare il link "Crea un nuovo elemento" (ossia <a href="/wiki/Special:NewItem" title="Special:NewItem">Special:NewItem</a>) nella barra di sinistra. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240805211100-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 5 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240805211100-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240805211100","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240805211100-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900","replies":["c-Luke_Stark_96-20240805212800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240805211100"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240805211100-Luke_Stark_96-20240805201900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Luke_Stark_96-20240805212800-Epìdosis-20240805211100"></span>Ok, grazie--<a href="/wiki/User:Luke_Stark_96" title="User:Luke Stark 96">Luke Stark 96</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Luke_Stark_96" title="User talk:Luke Stark 96"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Luke_Stark_96-20240805212800-Epìdosis-20240805211100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Luke_Stark_96-20240805212800-Epìdosis-20240805211100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240805212800","author":"Luke Stark 96","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Luke_Stark_96-20240805212800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240805211100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Luke_Stark_96-20240805212800-Epìdosis-20240805211100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Zanekost-20240824181800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\"Veduta_di_Venezia\"_(Q26106449)-20240824181800","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240824181800-\"Veduta_di_Venezia\"_(Q26106449)"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"\"Veduta di Venezia\" (Q26106449)","linkableTitle":"\"Veduta di Venezia\" (Q26106449)"}--><h2 id=""Veduta_di_Venezia"_(Q26106449)" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Veduta_di_Venezia"_(Q26106449)-20240824181800"><span id=".22Veduta_di_Venezia.22_.28Q26106449.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Veduta_di_Venezia"_(Q26106449)-20240824181800"></span>"Veduta di Venezia" (Q26106449)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Veduta_di_Venezia"_(Q26106449)-20240824181800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Zanekost-20240824181800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\"Veduta_di_Venezia\"_(Q26106449)-20240824181800","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240824181800-\"Veduta_di_Venezia\"_(Q26106449)"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Zanekost-20240825174500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240825165800","timestamp":"20240825174500"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__9__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Zanekost-20240824181800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\"Veduta_di_Venezia\"_(Q26106449)-20240824181800","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240824181800-\"Veduta_di_Venezia\"_(Q26106449)"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"\"Veduta di Venezia\" (Q26106449)","linkableTitle":"\"Veduta di Venezia\" (Q26106449)"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanekost-20240824181800-"Veduta_di_Venezia"_(Q26106449)"></span>Ciao Epìdosis, ho notato che è stata aggiunta <u>una</u> collezione, come se fosse l'unica. </p><p>Dei tre stati della xilografia dono noti 25 esemplari, molti di questi sono elencati come <i>edizione o traduzione</i>. </p><p>Anche questo non mi pare un campo adatto. Ma esistono dei campi adatti ad elencare gli esemplari di una stampa e i suoi stati? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)">Zanekost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanekost" title="User talk:Zanekost"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Zanekost-20240824181800-"Veduta_di_Venezia"_(Q26106449)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 24 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanekost-20240824181800-"Veduta_di_Venezia"_(Q26106449)"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824181800","author":"Zanekost","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zanekost-20240824181800-\"Veduta_di_Venezia\"_(Q26106449)","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240824182600-Zanekost-20240824181800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanekost-20240824181800-"Veduta_di_Venezia"_(Q26106449)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240824182600-Zanekost-20240824181800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)"><bdi>Zanekost</bdi></a>: ciao, non sono purtroppo un esperto del tema; forse si potrebbe usare <a href="/wiki/Property:P1574" title="Property:P1574">exemplar of <small dir="ltr">(P1574)</small></a> per linkare dagli esemplari a <a href="/wiki/Q26106449" title="Q26106449">View of Venice <small>(Q26106449)</small></a>? Questa è l'unica proprietà forse più adeguata rispetto a <a href="/wiki/Property:P747" title="Property:P747">has edition or translation <small dir="ltr">(P747)</small></a> che mi è venuta in mente. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240824182600-Zanekost-20240824181800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240824182600-Zanekost-20240824181800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824182600","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240824182600-Zanekost-20240824181800","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240824184600-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240824182600"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240824182600-Zanekost-20240824181800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanekost-20240824184600-Epìdosis-20240824182600"></span>Evidentemente mancano dei campi adatti alle stampe. In un'altra stampa (Battaglia di dieci uomini nudi (Q2984746)) sono invece state elencate numerose <i>collezioni</i> (per altro duplicate come <i>luogo</i>) al posto di <i>edizione o traduzione</i>. Secondo te se riprendo la <i>edizione o traduzione</i> (prima di cancallerla) in nuove collezioni aggiuntive, può andare bene? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)">Zanekost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanekost" title="User talk:Zanekost"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Zanekost-20240824184600-Epìdosis-20240824182600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 24 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanekost-20240824184600-Epìdosis-20240824182600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824184600","author":"Zanekost","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Zanekost-20240824184600-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240824182600","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240824184900-Zanekost-20240824184600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanekost-20240824184600-Epìdosis-20240824182600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240824184900-Zanekost-20240824184600"></span>Se vuoi legare l'elemento generale sulla stampa ai vari esemplari, <a href="/wiki/Property:P747" title="Property:P747">has edition or translation <small dir="ltr">(P747)</small></a> mi pare plausibile; in <a href="/wiki/Q2984746" title="Q2984746">Battle of the Nudes <small>(Q2984746)</small></a> la proprietà <a href="/wiki/Property:P195" title="Property:P195">collection <small dir="ltr">(P195)</small></a> è stata invece usata per legare l'elemento generale sulla stampa alle varie istituzioni che conservano esemplari (e non ad elementi di esemplari). <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240824184900-Zanekost-20240824184600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 24 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240824184900-Zanekost-20240824184600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824184900","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240824184900-Zanekost-20240824184600","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240824200000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240824184900"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240824184900-Zanekost-20240824184600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanekost-20240824200000-Epìdosis-20240824184900"></span>!!! :-(( Mi sono accorto che per questa veduta esistono anche altri elementi in WD (Q26106449), (Q98085988), (Q60781196), (Q98076707), (Q60781077), (Q98085508), (Q98078181), (Q80991923), (Q60781196), (Q107262110): alcuni si riferiscono (per lo meno al momento della creazione dell'elemento) ai singoli esemplari delle single collezioni, altri non mi risulta chiaro.</dd> <dd>Il risultato è una notevole confusione. In special modo quando vengono collegate ad immagini su commons. Come nella <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_of_Venice_by_Jacopo_de%27_Barbari" class="extiw" title="c:Category:Images of Venice by Jacopo de' Barbari">c:Category:Images of Venice by Jacopo de' Barbari</a>, categoria generale che non può riguardare solo l'esemplare berlinese, oppure nel <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:San_Michele_Arcangelo_de_Barbari.jpg" class="extiw" title="c:File:San Michele Arcangelo de Barbari.jpg">c:File:San Michele Arcangelo de Barbari.jpg</a>, dettaglio che ho caricato io e che non proviene sicuramente da quella stampa.</dd> <dd>Non ho idea di cosa si possa fare. Unire??? L'uinco che rimandi a pagine WP è (Q26106449).<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)">Zanekost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanekost" title="User talk:Zanekost"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Zanekost-20240824200000-Epìdosis-20240824184900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 24 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanekost-20240824200000-Epìdosis-20240824184900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824200000","author":"Zanekost","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Zanekost-20240824200000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240824184900","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240825055200-Zanekost-20240824200000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanekost-20240824200000-Epìdosis-20240824184900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240825055200-Zanekost-20240824200000"></span>Ho rivisto tutto e dovrebbe essere più chiaro: l'elemento generale è <a href="/wiki/Q26106449" title="Q26106449">View of Venice <small>(Q26106449)</small></a>; tutti gli altri sono esemplari in vari musei, li ho collegati all'elemento principale tramite <a href="/wiki/Property:P1574" title="Property:P1574">exemplar of <small dir="ltr">(P1574)</small></a> e ho reso più chiaro che si tratta di esemplari aggiungendo all'etichetta un numero di inventario tra parentesi. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240825055200-Zanekost-20240824200000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:52, 25 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240825055200-Zanekost-20240824200000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240825055200","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240825055200-Zanekost-20240824200000","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240825161700-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240825055200"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240825055200-Zanekost-20240824200000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanekost-20240825161700-Epìdosis-20240825055200"></span>In effetti! Dubbio però; mi pareva ce ne fosse uno che elencava la maggior parte delle collezioni, non lo rintraccio più.</dd> <dd>Secondo te andrebbero elencati (o potrebbero esserlo) nell'elemento generale senza entrare in conflitto con le schede singole? Con un consiste di…? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)">Zanekost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanekost" title="User talk:Zanekost"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Zanekost-20240825161700-Epìdosis-20240825055200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanekost-20240825161700-Epìdosis-20240825055200"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240825161700","author":"Zanekost","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Zanekost-20240825161700-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240825055200","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240825165800-Zanekost-20240825161700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanekost-20240825161700-Epìdosis-20240825055200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240825165800-Zanekost-20240825161700"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)"><bdi>Zanekost</bdi></a>: Sono stato io a cancellare la lista, stava nell'elemento principale; questo perché <a href="/wiki/Property:P1574" title="Property:P1574">exemplar of <small dir="ltr">(P1574)</small></a> non ha una proprietà inversa, la relazione è soltanto dall'esemplare verso l'elemento generale; per visualizzare l'inversa (dall'elemento generale agli esemplari) si può usare il gadget RelatedItems attivabile in Preferenze > Accessori oppure una query, ma non è previsto che nell'elemento generale vengano codificate delle dichiarazioni che puntano agli elementi degli esemplari. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240825165800-Zanekost-20240825161700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 25 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240825165800-Zanekost-20240825161700"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240825165800","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240825165800-Zanekost-20240825161700","replies":["c-Zanekost-20240825174500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240825165800"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240825165800-Zanekost-20240825161700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanekost-20240825174500-Epìdosis-20240825165800"></span>Vabbé, rinviamo a se e quando potrò essere attivata la proprietà inversa– <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)">Zanekost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanekost" title="User talk:Zanekost"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Zanekost-20240825174500-Epìdosis-20240825165800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanekost-20240825174500-Epìdosis-20240825165800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240825174500","author":"Zanekost","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Zanekost-20240825174500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240825165800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanekost-20240825174500-Epìdosis-20240825165800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Pallor-20240820133600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-monk_(Q733786)_delete-20240820133600","replies":["c-Pallor-20240820133600-monk_(Q733786)_delete"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"monk (Q733786) delete","linkableTitle":"monk (Q733786) delete"}--><h2 id="monk_(Q733786)_delete" data-mw-thread-id="h-monk_(Q733786)_delete-20240820133600"><span id="monk_.28Q733786.29_delete"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-monk_(Q733786)_delete-20240820133600"></span><a href="/wiki/Q733786" title="Q733786">monk <small>(Q733786)</small></a> delete<span data-mw-comment-end="h-monk_(Q733786)_delete-20240820133600"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Pallor-20240820133600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-monk_(Q733786)_delete-20240820133600","replies":["c-Pallor-20240820133600-monk_(Q733786)_delete"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Pallor-20240829232000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240826075200","timestamp":"20240829232000"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__10__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Pallor-20240820133600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-monk_(Q733786)_delete-20240820133600","replies":["c-Pallor-20240820133600-monk_(Q733786)_delete"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"monk (Q733786) delete","linkableTitle":"monk (Q733786) delete"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pallor-20240820133600-monk_(Q733786)_delete"></span>Hi! Why do you need to <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q689332&curid=649431&diff=2232015002&oldid=2227520304">delete these</a> from all elements? Now many items have no occupation at all. <a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor">Pallor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pallor" title="User talk:Pallor"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Pallor-20240820133600-monk_(Q733786)_delete" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pallor-20240820133600-monk_(Q733786)_delete"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820133600","author":"Pallor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pallor-20240820133600-monk_(Q733786)_delete","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240820180500-Pallor-20240820133600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pallor-20240820133600-monk_(Q733786)_delete"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240820180500-Pallor-20240820133600"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor"><bdi>Pallor</bdi></a>:! Today I deleted many <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q733786" title="Q733786">monk <small>(Q733786)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> without references through QS (I also fixed a few that had references manually) because, looking at <a href="/wiki/Property:P611" title="Property:P611">religious order <small dir="ltr">(P611)</small></a>, the value was incorrect. A Jesuit (as well as a Franciscan, a Dominican, a Carmelitan and an Augustinian) cannot be defined a monk according to Catholic doctrice; regarding Jesuits, see e.g. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://jesuits-eum.org/frequently-asked-questions/">https://jesuits-eum.org/frequently-asked-questions/</a> ("So we are not diocesan priests, but religious, and we are not friars or monks"). New correct values of <a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small dir="ltr">(P106)</small></a> can now be added manually; for Jesuits I think that in most cases <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q250867" title="Q250867">Catholic priest <small>(Q250867)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> could be easily inferred from available sources. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240820180500-Pallor-20240820133600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240820180500-Pallor-20240820133600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820180500","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240820180500-Pallor-20240820133600","replies":["c-Pallor-20240820190000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240820180500"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240820180500-Pallor-20240820133600"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pallor-20240820190000-Epìdosis-20240820180500"></span>Well, that's a very interesting interpretation of reality. In Wikidata we try to describe reality, which will never be perfect, but we can always try to make it a little bit more perfect, but I think this series of edits without consultation has had the opposite effect: we have just got further away from reality.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>First of all, if you mass delete an occupation from a person's profile, don't try to make it look like it's an "opportunity" to enter it: it was entered before you deleted it, and if it's an opportunity for someone, it's the person who deleted the occupation. Please then go ahead and enter an occupation wherever it is not now, because it is a very crucial part of a person's biography. We have discussed this before, and even you agreed then that it was an important piece of data, so I am annoyed that you have now rushed into it and deleted a lot of elements.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Secondly, the Jesuits describe themselves <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.jesuits.org/about-us/the-jesuits/">https://www.jesuits.org/about-us/the-jesuits/</a> as the largest "Roman Catholic order". I'm not sure that the half-sentence you took from the FAQ sufficiently supports an intrusion of this magnitude into the database.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Third, how did the Franciscan, Dominican, Carmelite and Augustinian orders get here? Where is the source that these are not monastic orders?</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Here is a query: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://w.wiki/Ax$Z">https://w.wiki/Ax$Z</a> that shows that there are currently nearly 3,000 friars with no occupation entered, and I do not see this as an improvement in the database. (I am sorry, but I do not speak English well: perhaps it is clear that I consider this series of edits to be extremely unsound and damaging.) <a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor">Pallor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pallor" title="User talk:Pallor"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Pallor-20240820190000-Epìdosis-20240820180500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pallor-20240820190000-Epìdosis-20240820180500"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820190000","author":"Pallor","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Pallor-20240820190000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240820180500","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240820214200-Pallor-20240820190000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pallor-20240820190000-Epìdosis-20240820180500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240820214200-Pallor-20240820190000"></span>Good evening again @<a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor"><bdi>Pallor</bdi></a>:,</dd> <dd>1) I confirm we agree that <a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small dir="ltr">(P106)</small></a> is an important part of the items; however, I think that, since it is so important, we should avoid keeping in it wrong values, and I would underline that the values that I remove were wrong and did not have references; if removing wrong values means that the item ends up having <i>momentarily</i> no values for P106, I see it as a smaller problem in comparison with having it with one wrong value of P106. I hope we also agree that no value is better than a wrong value.</dd> <dd>2) I cited <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://jesuits-eum.org/frequently-asked-questions/">https://jesuits-eum.org/frequently-asked-questions/</a> as just an example of source saying that Jesuits are not monks - it was particularly interesting because it was an official website compiled by the Jesuits themselves - but of course it was not my only source, see below 3)</dd> <dd><figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Religious_orders_in_the_Annuario_Pontificio.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Religious_orders_in_the_Annuario_Pontificio.svg/300px-Religious_orders_in_the_Annuario_Pontificio.svg.png" decoding="async" width="300" height="182" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Religious_orders_in_the_Annuario_Pontificio.svg/450px-Religious_orders_in_the_Annuario_Pontificio.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Religious_orders_in_the_Annuario_Pontificio.svg/600px-Religious_orders_in_the_Annuario_Pontificio.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1260" data-file-height="765"/></a><figcaption>Scheme of Catholic religious orders</figcaption></figure></dd> <dd>3) for a classification of Catholic religious orders, apart from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_order_(Catholic)" class="extiw" title="en:Religious order (Catholic)">en:Religious order (Catholic)</a> (also illustrated by the scheme here), I referred to <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/ordini-religiosi_%28Enciclopedia-Italiana%29/">https://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/ordini-religiosi_%28Enciclopedia-Italiana%29/</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://gcatholic.org/orders/types.htm">https://gcatholic.org/orders/types.htm</a> <ul><li>only for the religious orders that are also monastic orders (i.e. mainly Benedictines, Cistercians, Carthusians and Basilians) it is possible to define each member as <a href="/wiki/Q2109894" title="Q2109894">Christian monk <small>(Q2109894)</small></a> (more precise than <a href="/wiki/Q733786" title="Q733786">monk <small>(Q733786)</small></a>);</li> <li>Jesuits fall into the clerics regular orders, so each member is a <a href="/wiki/Q2138822" title="Q2138822">regular cleric <small>(Q2138822)</small></a>;</li> <li>Franciscans, Dominicans, Carmelitans and Augustinians are mendicant orders, so each member is a <a href="/wiki/Q548320" title="Q548320">friar <small>(Q548320)</small></a>.</li></ul></dd> <dd>This demonstrates that the use of <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q733786" title="Q733786">monk <small>(Q733786)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> on the aforementioned items was wrong.</dd> <dd>With that said, I have seen the results of the query of humans with <a href="/wiki/Property:P611" title="Property:P611">religious order <small dir="ltr">(P611)</small></a> and without <a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small dir="ltr">(P106)</small></a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://w.wiki/Ax$Z">https://w.wiki/Ax$Z</a>. I have fixed manually a few tens of items having wrong values and I have massively made <a class="external text" href="https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/236509">a fix on Buddhist monks</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/236507">a fix on Christian nuns</a>; now the results are down from 3000 to less than 2400.</dd> <dd>Widening the discussion, there is a more general problem about the redundance between <a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small dir="ltr">(P106)</small></a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P611" title="Property:P611">religious order <small dir="ltr">(P611)</small></a>: if an item X has e.g. <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P611" title="Property:P611">religious order <small>(P611)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q131479" title="Q131479">Dominican Order <small>(Q131479)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130">, having also <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q548320" title="Q548320">friar <small>(Q548320)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> is redundant (the fact that X is a friar can be inferred by the fact that he is a member of the Dominican order); so we should decide if, given the presence of P611, we want a redundant value of P106 on the item</dd> <dd>A) always (so always <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P611" title="Property:P611">religious order <small>(P611)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q131479" title="Q131479">Dominican Order <small>(Q131479)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> + <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q548320" title="Q548320">friar <small>(Q548320)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130">)</dd> <dd>B) only if otherwise there is no P106 (so <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q548320" title="Q548320">friar <small>(Q548320)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> can removed if I add e.g. <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q250867" title="Q250867">Catholic priest <small>(Q250867)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130">)</dd> <dd>C) never (so never <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P611" title="Property:P611">religious order <small>(P611)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q131479" title="Q131479">Dominican Order <small>(Q131479)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> + <span class="statement"><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small>(P106)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q548320" title="Q548320">friar <small>(Q548320)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130">)</dd> <dd>For me both solutions A and B are valid ones and we just need to choose one; I remember you previously raised this problem <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?oldid=1626223935#Monks">here in 2022</a>; I then opened a discussion at the competent WikiProject <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Religions#Members_of_Catholic_religious_orders" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Religions">here a few days later</a>, but no one answered. If we decide on this point officially, I can afterwards add <a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small dir="ltr">(P106)</small></a> to the 2400 aforementioned items personally. I only need an official standard. We can decide the standard here: <b><a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Religions#Redundance_between_P611_and_P106" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Religions">Wikidata talk:WikiProject Religions#Redundance between P611 and P106</a></b>.</dd> <dd>I hope this makes clearer what I intended to do. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240820214200-Pallor-20240820190000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240820214200-Pallor-20240820190000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820214200","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240820214200-Pallor-20240820190000","replies":["c-Pallor-20240821083900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240820214200"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240820214200-Pallor-20240820190000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pallor-20240821083900-Epìdosis-20240820214200"></span>Hello Epìdosis! I'll let the monasticism question go, although I note that all the NON-MONASTIC orders you mention have P31 listed as monastic order, and the related Wikipedia entries have monastic order. It's as if you started a terribly big conversion job not at the beginning but at the end.</dd> <dd>On the other hand, the English description of the P611 property says: religious order/monastic order. This means that you should not include the Jesuit (as well as a Franciscan, a Dominican, a Carmelitan and Augustinian) orders in P611, as they are not included in this property. These will have to be deleted from P611, which will certainly be done later. I am very curious to know how to indicate which order the persons concerned belong to.</dd> <dd>What I will not let go of, however, is that it is better not to have an occupation than to have an approximate but inaccurate occupation. This is simply nonsense, there is no logic along which I can agree with you. It's not that a completely wrong occupation is given, it's that it's inaccurate or too general. It's not that a sociologist is given as a butcher, but that, say, an obstetrician is only given as a doctor or a gynaecologist. But now this approximate data has also disappeared and there is nothing at all in its place, which I very strongly protest against - especially as the data will also be removed from P611, since it is not a monastic order, and that is the only one that can be entered there. <a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor">Pallor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pallor" title="User talk:Pallor"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Pallor-20240821083900-Epìdosis-20240820214200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pallor-20240821083900-Epìdosis-20240820214200"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240821083900","author":"Pallor","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Pallor-20240821083900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240820214200","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240821090500-Pallor-20240821083900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pallor-20240821083900-Epìdosis-20240820214200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240821090500-Pallor-20240821083900"></span>Good morning @<a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor"><bdi>Pallor</bdi></a>:, as far as I can see <ul><li><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q186277" title="Q186277">Carmelites <small>(Q186277)</small></a></b><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of <small>(P31)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q3355498" title="Q3355498">contemplative order <small>(Q3355498)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></li> <li><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q36380" title="Q36380">Society of Jesus <small>(Q36380)</small></a></b><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of <small>(P31)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q391009" title="Q391009">Catholic order <small>(Q391009)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></li> <li><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q214528" title="Q214528">Augustinians <small>(Q214528)</small></a></b><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of <small>(P31)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q391009" title="Q391009">Catholic order <small>(Q391009)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></li> <li><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q913972" title="Q913972">Order of Friars Minor <small>(Q913972)</small></a></b><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of <small>(P31)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q28653" title="Q28653">mendicant order <small>(Q28653)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></li> <li><span class="statement"><b class="subject"><a href="/wiki/Q131479" title="Q131479">Dominican Order <small>(Q131479)</small></a></b><span class="predicate"><a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of <small>(P31)</small></a></span><span class="object"><a href="/wiki/Q28653" title="Q28653">mendicant order <small>(Q28653)</small></a></span></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"></li></ul></dd> <dd>So <a href="/wiki/Q3355750" title="Q3355750">monastic order <small>(Q3355750)</small></a> is not used on these items; I also don't see the words "monk" or "monastic" in the incipits of the respective articles of en.wikipedia, so I'm unsure about what you are referring to specifically. "monastic order" is the English alias of <a href="/wiki/Property:P611" title="Property:P611">religious order <small dir="ltr">(P611)</small></a> whose label is currently "religious order", so I don't see why non-monastic orders should not be accepted as values of the property; in fact the <a href="/wiki/Q21510865" title="Q21510865">value-type constraint <small>(Q21510865)</small></a> allows all types of <a href="/wiki/Q2061186" title="Q2061186">religious order <small>(Q2061186)</small></a>; the value of <a href="/wiki/Property:P1629" title="Property:P1629">Wikidata item of this property <small dir="ltr">(P1629)</small></a> was <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property:P611&diff=prev&oldid=1751711834">wrongly edited with no consensus in 2022</a> and I have now restored the previous one; so I see no reason in deleting values from P611 or in splitting it into two properties, one for monastic and one for non-monastic orders (this would also be a somehow difficult distinction if applied outside Christianism).</dd> <dd>I agree that applying "monk" to the members of the aforementioned religious orders can be defined as "inaccurate" rather than completely "wrong"; as I said, I do not intend to remove values from <a href="/wiki/Property:P611" title="Property:P611">religious order <small dir="ltr">(P611)</small></a> (and I will strongly object to others possibly removing them), and <i>I am willing to add more accurate values to <a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small dir="ltr">(P106)</small></a> in substitution of the inaccurate "monk" values I removed once a decision is taken in <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Religions#Redundance_between_P611_and_P106" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Religions">Wikidata talk:WikiProject Religions#Redundance between P611 and P106</a></i>. I also precise that the discussion was not opened afterwards, but <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Religions#Members_of_Catholic_religious_orders" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Religions">it had been opened (with no answer) in 2022</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240821090500-Pallor-20240821083900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:05, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240821090500-Pallor-20240821083900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240821090500","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240821090500-Pallor-20240821083900","replies":["c-Pallor-20240823095100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240821090500"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240821090500-Pallor-20240821083900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pallor-20240823095100-Epìdosis-20240821090500"></span>I really put aside the issue of monks, I don't have enough deep knowledge to take a stand.</dd> <dd>On the other hand, I believe that occupation (P106) is a very important part of a person's element, and I do not consider it acceptable that elements remain without it. Thanks for looking into it. <a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor">Pallor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pallor" title="User talk:Pallor"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Pallor-20240823095100-Epìdosis-20240821090500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:51, 23 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pallor-20240823095100-Epìdosis-20240821090500"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240823095100","author":"Pallor","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Pallor-20240823095100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240821090500","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240823163000-Pallor-20240823095100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pallor-20240823095100-Epìdosis-20240821090500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240823163000-Pallor-20240823095100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor"><bdi>Pallor</bdi></a>: OK, at <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Religions#Redundance_between_P611_and_P106" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Religions">Wikidata talk:WikiProject Religions#Redundance between P611 and P106</a> there seems to be consensus for having <a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small dir="ltr">(P106)</small></a> with <a href="/wiki/Property:P611" title="Property:P611">religious order <small dir="ltr">(P611)</small></a>; so today I started 3 QS batches to add appropriate <a class="external text" href="https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/236646">monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/Q117940921" title="Q117940921">Catholic monk <small>(Q117940921)</small></a>), <a class="external text" href="https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/236647">regular cleric</a> (<a href="/wiki/Q2138822" title="Q2138822">regular cleric <small>(Q2138822)</small></a>), <a class="external text" href="https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/236648">friar</a> (<a href="/wiki/Q548320" title="Q548320">friar <small>(Q548320)</small></a>) to the items missing them; these will fix, among others, all the imprecise "monk" occupations I removed from Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans, Augustinians and Carmelitans, and should also add <a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation <small dir="ltr">(P106)</small></a> to many others, effectively the results of <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://w.wiki/Ax$Z">https://w.wiki/Ax$Z</a> from about 2350 to a few hundreds.</dd> <dd>They will run once QS is repared (now it is stuck as it happens a bit too often in the last months). <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240823163000-Pallor-20240823095100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 23 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240823163000-Pallor-20240823095100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240823163000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240823163000-Pallor-20240823095100","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240826075200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240823163000"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240823163000-Pallor-20240823095100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240826075200-Epìdosis-20240823163000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor"><bdi>Pallor</bdi></a>: batches run, the results of <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://w.wiki/Ax$Z">https://w.wiki/Ax$Z</a> are down to 437 right now. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240826075200-Epìdosis-20240823163000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240826075200-Epìdosis-20240823163000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240826075200","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240826075200-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240823163000","replies":["c-Pallor-20240829232000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240826075200"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240826075200-Epìdosis-20240823163000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pallor-20240829232000-Epìdosis-20240826075200"></span>Thanks for the pinging and notifications, language corrections, I'll try to keep an eye on the matter. <a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor">Pallor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pallor" title="User talk:Pallor"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Pallor-20240829232000-Epìdosis-20240826075200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:20, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pallor-20240829232000-Epìdosis-20240826075200"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829232000","author":"Pallor","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Pallor-20240829232000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240826075200","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pallor-20240829232000-Epìdosis-20240826075200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240829141600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-ICCU:_catalog_vs._bibliography-20240829141600","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240829141600-ICCU:_catalog_vs._bibliography"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"ICCU: catalog vs. bibliography","linkableTitle":"ICCU: catalog vs. bibliography"}--><h2 id="ICCU:_catalog_vs._bibliography" data-mw-thread-id="h-ICCU:_catalog_vs._bibliography-20240829141600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ICCU:_catalog_vs._bibliography-20240829141600"></span>ICCU: catalog vs. bibliography<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ICCU:_catalog_vs._bibliography-20240829141600"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240829141600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-ICCU:_catalog_vs._bibliography-20240829141600","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240829141600-ICCU:_catalog_vs._bibliography"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Kolja21-20240829150400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829145100","timestamp":"20240829150400"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__7__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240829141600","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-ICCU:_catalog_vs._bibliography-20240829141600","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240829141600-ICCU:_catalog_vs._bibliography"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"ICCU: catalog vs. bibliography","linkableTitle":"ICCU: catalog vs. bibliography"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240829141600-ICCU:_catalog_vs._bibliography"></span>Hi Epìdosis, there is an item for the organisation <a href="/wiki/Q3803707" title="Q3803707">Istituto Centrale per il Catalogo Unico <small>(Q3803707)</small></a> (ICCU) and an item for the catalog <a href="/wiki/Q105086090" title="Q105086090">OPAC SBN <small>(Q105086090)</small></a>. The GND cites as source not the catalog but the following bibliography: </p> <ul><li>ICCU, Istituto Centrale per il Catalogo Unico delle Biblioteche Italiane e per le Informazioni Bibliografiche (GND <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://d-nb.info/1024483649">1024483649</a>)</li> <li>part of the <a href="/wiki/Q107956344" title="Q107956344">Liste der fachlichen Nachschlagewerke für die Gemeinsame Normdatei <small>(Q107956344)</small></a></li></ul> <p>Catalog and bibliography appear to be identical. Should I add the GND there or do we need a separate item? --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240829141600-ICCU:_catalog_vs._bibliography" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240829141600-ICCU:_catalog_vs._bibliography"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829141600","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240829141600-ICCU:_catalog_vs._bibliography","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829142100-Kolja21-20240829141600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240829141600-ICCU:_catalog_vs._bibliography"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240829142100-Kolja21-20240829141600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: I'm not convinced of the definition of ICCU as a bibliography; ICCU is not a written work, it is the institute (part of the <a href="/wiki/Q1347047" title="Q1347047">Ministry of Culture <small>(Q1347047)</small></a>) which coordinates the about 7k libraries which contribute to the <a href="/wiki/Q105086090" title="Q105086090">OPAC SBN <small>(Q105086090)</small></a>. The case of e.g. BNF is different, because BNF manages its own catalog; ICCU in fact is not a library, it is just an institute coordinating libraries and creating standards for them. I think an ID for the OPAC SBN, which is a bibliographic entity (a collective catalog, specifically) unlike ICCU, would be worth. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240829142100-Kolja21-20240829141600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:21, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240829142100-Kolja21-20240829141600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829142100","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829142100-Kolja21-20240829141600","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240829142800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829142100"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240829142100-Kolja21-20240829141600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240829142800-Epìdosis-20240829142100"></span>Sounds convincing but what do you mean with "an ID for the OPAC SBN ... would be worth"? And where should we add GND 1024483649? --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240829142800-Epìdosis-20240829142100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240829142800-Epìdosis-20240829142100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829142800","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240829142800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829142100","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829143300-Kolja21-20240829142800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240829142800-Epìdosis-20240829142100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240829143300-Kolja21-20240829142800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: <a href="/wiki/Q3803707" title="Q3803707">Istituto Centrale per il Catalogo Unico <small>(Q3803707)</small></a> has already <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://d-nb.info/gnd/1035341-0">https://d-nb.info/gnd/1035341-0</a> which is correct; for "an ID for the OPAC SBN ... would be worth" I intended creating an ID inside GND for <a href="/wiki/Q105086090" title="Q105086090">OPAC SBN <small>(Q105086090)</small></a> but maybe it should just be readapted from <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://d-nb.info/1024483649">https://d-nb.info/1024483649</a> which is in fact not so clear ... ICCU is not a bibliographic entity, renaming it as OPAC SBN would be IMHO more accurate. Because as of now <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://d-nb.info/1024483649">https://d-nb.info/1024483649</a> is quite confusing as you say. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240829143300-Kolja21-20240829142800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240829143300-Kolja21-20240829142800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829143300","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829143300-Kolja21-20240829142800","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240829144900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829143300"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240829143300-Kolja21-20240829142800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240829144900-Epìdosis-20240829143300"></span>Someone might be able to correct errors in the bible but not the official rules in Germany ;) We have to live (= work) with GND 1024483649 even if the bibliographical information is not consistent. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240829144900-Epìdosis-20240829143300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240829144900-Epìdosis-20240829143300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829144900","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240829144900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829143300","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829145100-Kolja21-20240829144900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240829144900-Epìdosis-20240829143300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240829145100-Kolja21-20240829144900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: I understand ... maybe we can attach it to <a href="/wiki/Q105086090" title="Q105086090">OPAC SBN <small>(Q105086090)</small></a> to make it clear that it intends to refer to it, although the match is imperfect - but the intention is quite clear. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240829145100-Kolja21-20240829144900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240829145100-Kolja21-20240829144900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829145100","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829145100-Kolja21-20240829144900","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240829150400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829145100"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240829145100-Kolja21-20240829144900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240829150400-Epìdosis-20240829145100"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b> I wrote GND but it's a DNB ID. I've added it with <a href="/wiki/Property:P8703" title="Property:P8703">entry in abbreviations table <small dir="ltr">(P8703)</small></a> where it shouldn't be a problem. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240829150400-Epìdosis-20240829145100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240829150400-Epìdosis-20240829145100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829150400","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240829150400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829145100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240829150400-Epìdosis-20240829145100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Syrio-20240829184400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-QuickBatch_2-20240829184400","replies":["c-Syrio-20240829184400-QuickBatch_2","c-Syrio-20240830160900-QuickBatch_2","c-Syrio-20240830182200-QuickBatch_2"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"QuickBatch","linkableTitle":"QuickBatch 2"}--><h2 id="QuickBatch_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-QuickBatch_2-20240829184400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-QuickBatch_2-20240829184400"></span>QuickBatch<span data-mw-comment-end="h-QuickBatch_2-20240829184400"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Syrio-20240829184400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-QuickBatch_2-20240829184400","replies":["c-Syrio-20240829184400-QuickBatch_2","c-Syrio-20240830160900-QuickBatch_2","c-Syrio-20240830182200-QuickBatch_2"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Syrio-20240830182200-QuickBatch_2","timestamp":"20240830182200"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__10__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Syrio-20240829184400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-QuickBatch_2-20240829184400","replies":["c-Syrio-20240829184400-QuickBatch_2","c-Syrio-20240830160900-QuickBatch_2","c-Syrio-20240830182200-QuickBatch_2"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"QuickBatch","linkableTitle":"QuickBatch 2"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20240829184400-QuickBatch_2"></span>Ciao! Abbi pazienza, torno a elemosinare aiuto su QuickBatch, per questa cosa del censimento dei laghi. Ho dato un'occhiata alle istruzioni e sono riuscito a capire come inserire la fonti. Ora, prendendo ad esempio il seguente batch: </p> <pre>qid,P2044,S248,S304 Q60220205,1091,Q129945927,"""381""" </pre> <p>con cui ho aggiunto l'altitudine a <a href="/wiki/Q60220205" title="Q60220205">Q60220205</a>, ho due problemi: </p> <ol><li>Come faccio a fare in modo che il numero di pagina sia inserito nello stesso "slot" della fonte, e non come se fosse una fonte separata?</li> <li>Come aggiungo l'unità di misura per l'altitudine?</li></ol> <p><b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20240829184400-QuickBatch_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20240829184400-QuickBatch_2"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829184400","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Syrio-20240829184400-QuickBatch_2","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829214000-Syrio-20240829184400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20240829184400-QuickBatch_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240829214000-Syrio-20240829184400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><bdi>Syrio</bdi></a>: ciao, per far sì che i due pezzi formino il medesimo riferimento basta ricordare che con S maiuscola comincia nuovo riferimento, mentre con s minuscola fa parte del precedente; l'unità di misura si fa attaccando al numero la lettera U seguita dal numero dell'elemento dell'unità di misura. Quindi riscriverei:</dd> <dd>qid,P2044,S248,s304</dd> <dd>Q60220205,1091U11573,Q129945927,"""381"""</dd> <dd>Intanto ho sistemato a mano il primo elemento. Per qualunque altro dubbio resto a disposizione! Buona notte, <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240829214000-Syrio-20240829184400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240829214000-Syrio-20240829184400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829214000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829214000-Syrio-20240829184400","replies":["c-Syrio-20240830154500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829214000"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240829214000-Syrio-20240829184400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20240830154500-Epìdosis-20240829214000"></span>Grazie mille! Ne ho fatti un po' ed è filato tutto liscio direi (a parte che riesco a farli solo un per volta ma vabbè, amen). --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20240830154500-Epìdosis-20240829214000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20240830154500-Epìdosis-20240829214000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830154500","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Syrio-20240830154500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240829214000","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240830160200-Syrio-20240830154500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20240830154500-Epìdosis-20240829214000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240830160200-Syrio-20240830154500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><bdi>Syrio</bdi></a>: Strano solo uno per volta; forse è perché ripeti la riga "qid ...", quella va messa solo in cima e poi sotto tutte le altre righe. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240830160200-Syrio-20240830154500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240830160200-Syrio-20240830154500"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830160200","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240830160200-Syrio-20240830154500","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240830160200-Syrio-20240830154500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20240830160900-QuickBatch_2"></span>Nono, la riga del qid era in cima e basta. Per dire, se importo i comandi CSV del seguente batch <small>(che è già stato fatto)</small> mi carica solo la prima fila </p> <pre>qid,P2044,S248,s304,P2043,S248,s304,P2049,S248,s304,P2046,S248,s304,P4511,S248,s304 Q115173841,480U11573,Q129945927,"""382""",160U11573,Q129945927,"""382""",100U11573,Q129945927,"""382""",10600U25343,Q129945927,"""382""",2U11573,Q129945927,"""382""", Q60039515,540U11573,Q129945927,"""383""",520U11573,Q129945927,"""383""",125U11573,Q129945927,"""383""",70800U25343,Q129945927,"""383""",15U11573,Q129945927,"""383""", Q60039246,548U11573,Q129945927,"""384""",130U11573,Q129945927,"""384""",70U11573,Q129945927,"""384""",7800U25343,Q129945927,"""384""",8U11573,Q129945927,"""384""", Q17635197,1994U11573,Q129945927,"""385""",180U11573,Q129945927,"""385""",120U11573,Q129945927,"""385""",15500U25343,Q129945927,"""385""",10U11573,Q129945927,"""385""", </pre> <p>le altre semplicemente non appaiono in lista. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20240830160900-QuickBatch_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20240830160900-QuickBatch_2"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830160900","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Syrio-20240830160900-QuickBatch_2","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240830161600-Syrio-20240830160900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20240830160900-QuickBatch_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240830161600-Syrio-20240830160900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><bdi>Syrio</bdi></a>: Le righe non devono chiudersi con virgola, se togli tutte le virgole a fine riga non ci sono problemi. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240830161600-Syrio-20240830160900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240830161600-Syrio-20240830160900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830161600","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240830161600-Syrio-20240830160900","replies":["c-Syrio-20240830162400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240830161600"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240830161600-Syrio-20240830160900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20240830162400-Epìdosis-20240830161600"></span>Ah, ok; la virgola avevo provato a metterla perché facendo alcuni test all'inizio mi dava errore sull'ultima operazione (inserire la fonte per la profondità), e aggiungendo la virgola invece funzionava. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20240830162400-Epìdosis-20240830161600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20240830162400-Epìdosis-20240830161600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830162400","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Syrio-20240830162400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240830161600","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240830162800-Syrio-20240830162400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20240830162400-Epìdosis-20240830161600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240830162800-Syrio-20240830162400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><bdi>Syrio</bdi></a>: mi pare che senza virgola funzioni tutto perfettamente adesso. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240830162800-Syrio-20240830162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240830162800-Syrio-20240830162400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830162800","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240830162800-Syrio-20240830162400","replies":["c-Syrio-20240830163100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240830162800"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240830162800-Syrio-20240830162400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20240830163100-Epìdosis-20240830162800"></span>Quando preparo il prossimo batch appuro :) intanto grazie ancora! --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20240830163100-Epìdosis-20240830162800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20240830163100-Epìdosis-20240830162800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830163100","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Syrio-20240830163100-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240830162800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20240830163100-Epìdosis-20240830162800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20240830182200-QuickBatch_2"></span>Direi tutto a posto! --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20240830182200-QuickBatch_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20240830182200-QuickBatch_2"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830182200","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Syrio-20240830182200-QuickBatch_2","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20240830182200-QuickBatch_2"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240910025800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Nessun_risultato_trovato-20240910025800","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240910025800-Nessun_risultato_trovato"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Nessun risultato trovato","linkableTitle":"Nessun risultato trovato"}--><h2 id="Nessun_risultato_trovato" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nessun_risultato_trovato-20240910025800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nessun_risultato_trovato-20240910025800"></span>Nessun risultato trovato<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nessun_risultato_trovato-20240910025800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240910025800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Nessun_risultato_trovato-20240910025800","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240910025800-Nessun_risultato_trovato"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240910093800-Kolja21-20240910025800","timestamp":"20240910093800"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240910025800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Nessun_risultato_trovato-20240910025800","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240910025800-Nessun_risultato_trovato"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Nessun risultato trovato","linkableTitle":"Nessun risultato trovato"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240910025800-Nessun_risultato_trovato"></span>Hi Epìdosis, I've tried to create a GND for <a href="/wiki/Q124560301" title="Q124560301">Silvio Greco <small>(Q124560301)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian author (fl. 1867)</span></small>. SBN SBNV006733: "Nessun risultato trovato." Can you fix it? --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240910025800-Nessun_risultato_trovato" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240910025800-Nessun_risultato_trovato"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910025800","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240910025800-Nessun_risultato_trovato","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240910093800-Kolja21-20240910025800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240910025800-Nessun_risultato_trovato"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240910093800-Kolja21-20240910025800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: SBN was my mistake, removed; the only available information is one bibliographic record known by the Vatican Library, I have improved the item. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240910093800-Kolja21-20240910025800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:38, 10 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240910093800-Kolja21-20240910025800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910093800","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240910093800-Kolja21-20240910025800","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240910093800-Kolja21-20240910025800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240910233400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Agiografia_Silvestrina_medievale-20240910233400","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240910233400-Agiografia_Silvestrina_medievale"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Agiografia Silvestrina medievale","linkableTitle":"Agiografia Silvestrina medievale"}--><h2 id="Agiografia_Silvestrina_medievale" data-mw-thread-id="h-Agiografia_Silvestrina_medievale-20240910233400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Agiografia_Silvestrina_medievale-20240910233400"></span>Agiografia Silvestrina medievale<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Agiografia_Silvestrina_medievale-20240910233400"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240910233400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Agiografia_Silvestrina_medievale-20240910233400","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240910233400-Agiografia_Silvestrina_medievale"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Kolja21-20240911174000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240911075700","timestamp":"20240911174000"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20240910233400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Agiografia_Silvestrina_medievale-20240910233400","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240910233400-Agiografia_Silvestrina_medievale"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Agiografia Silvestrina medievale","linkableTitle":"Agiografia Silvestrina medievale"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240910233400-Agiografia_Silvestrina_medievale"></span>Hi Epìdosis, the publication <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://gateway-bayern.de/BV000853569"><i>Agiografia Silvestrina medievale</i></a> (1983) is about Christian saints and Italy. It mentions: </p> <ul><li>Hugo <Silvestriner, -1270> = GND <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://d-nb.info/gnd/118981064">118981064</a></li></ul> <p>He has the same year of death as <a href="/wiki/Q1635599" title="Q1635599">Hugh Ripelin of Strasburg <small>(Q1635599)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Dominican theologian</span></small> so CERL merged them. Can you find any information about him? <a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240910233400-Agiografia_Silvestrina_medievale" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:34, 10 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240910233400-Agiografia_Silvestrina_medievale"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910233400","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240910233400-Agiografia_Silvestrina_medievale","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240911075700-Kolja21-20240910233400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240910233400-Agiografia_Silvestrina_medievale"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240911075700-Kolja21-20240910233400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: surely different persons: <i>Agiografia Silvestrina medievale</i> contains an anonymous text named <i>Vita beati Ugonis Monachi Silvestrini</i> or <i>Vita vel potius miracula beati Ugonis monachi Silvestrini</i>, which is a hagiography regarding <a href="/wiki/Q4002928" title="Q4002928">Ugo degli Atti <small>(Q4002928)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Silvestrine monk (-1270)</span></small>; sources are clearly different; moreover, <a href="/wiki/Q1635599" title="Q1635599">Hugh Ripelin of Strasburg <small>(Q1635599)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Dominican theologian</span></small> is a Dominican friar and <a href="/wiki/Q4002928" title="Q4002928">Ugo degli Atti <small>(Q4002928)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Silvestrine monk (-1270)</span></small> a Benedictine (specifically Silvestrine) monk. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240911075700-Kolja21-20240910233400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:57, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240911075700-Kolja21-20240910233400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911075700","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240911075700-Kolja21-20240910233400","replies":["c-Kolja21-20240911174000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240911075700"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240911075700-Kolja21-20240910233400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20240911174000-Epìdosis-20240911075700"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b> Perfect! I've marked CERL cnp01343680 as a conflation. <a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20240911174000-Epìdosis-20240911075700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20240911174000-Epìdosis-20240911075700"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911174000","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kolja21-20240911174000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240911075700","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20240911174000-Epìdosis-20240911075700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Property_talk:P7859\/Duplicates-20240925175800","replies":["c-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800-Property_talk:P7859\/Duplicates"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Property talk:P7859\/Duplicates","linkableTitle":"Property talk:P7859\/Duplicates"}--><h2 id="Property_talk:P7859/Duplicates" data-mw-thread-id="h-Property_talk:P7859/Duplicates-20240925175800"><span id="Property_talk:P7859.2FDuplicates"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Property_talk:P7859/Duplicates-20240925175800"></span>Property talk:P7859/Duplicates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Property_talk:P7859/Duplicates-20240925175800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Property_talk:P7859\/Duplicates-20240925175800","replies":["c-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800-Property_talk:P7859\/Duplicates"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240925223500-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800","timestamp":"20240925223500"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Property_talk:P7859\/Duplicates-20240925175800","replies":["c-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800-Property_talk:P7859\/Duplicates"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Property talk:P7859\/Duplicates","linkableTitle":"Property talk:P7859\/Duplicates"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800-Property_talk:P7859/Duplicates"></span>pls delete <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P7859/Duplicates&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property talk:P7859/Duplicates (page does not exist)">Property talk:P7859/Duplicates</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P7859/Duplicates/humans&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property talk:P7859/Duplicates/humans (page does not exist)">Property talk:P7859/Duplicates/humans</a>. The first page shows up at <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:LinkSearch?target=https%3A%2F%2F*.worldcat.org%2Fidentities">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:LinkSearch?target=https%3A%2F%2F*.worldcat.org%2Fidentities</a> - the 2nd I couldn't find there, but has similar logic. I am cleaning up <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:LinkSearch?target=https%3A%2F%2F*.worldcat.org%2Fidentities">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:LinkSearch?target=https%3A%2F%2F*.worldcat.org%2Fidentities</a> - but these unused maintenance pages make that harder. <a href="/wiki/User:Andres_Ollino" title="User:Andres Ollino">Andres Ollino</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andres_Ollino" title="User talk:Andres Ollino"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800-Property_talk:P7859/Duplicates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800-Property_talk:P7859/Duplicates"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240925175800","author":"Andres Ollino","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800-Property_talk:P7859\/Duplicates","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240925223500-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800-Property_talk:P7859/Duplicates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20240925223500-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="✓"><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b> both deleted as empty. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20240925223500-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20240925223500-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240925223500","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20240925223500-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20240925223500-Andres_Ollino-20240925175800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Mastrocom-20241004152700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Un_consiglio-20241004152700","replies":["c-Mastrocom-20241004152700-Un_consiglio"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Un consiglio","linkableTitle":"Un consiglio"}--><h2 id="Un_consiglio" data-mw-thread-id="h-Un_consiglio-20241004152700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Un_consiglio-20241004152700"></span>Un consiglio<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Un_consiglio-20241004152700"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Mastrocom-20241004152700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Un_consiglio-20241004152700","replies":["c-Mastrocom-20241004152700-Un_consiglio"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Mastrocom-20241005065400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241004175100","timestamp":"20241005065400"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Mastrocom-20241004152700","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Un_consiglio-20241004152700","replies":["c-Mastrocom-20241004152700-Un_consiglio"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Un consiglio","linkableTitle":"Un consiglio"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mastrocom-20241004152700-Un_consiglio"></span>Ciao Epìdosis, è da un po' che non ti rompo le balle. Ho fatto <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://w.wiki/BRLU">questa query</a> che elenca tutti gli item con proprietà P3360 presenti in itwiki. Ora, a me non interessa tanto avere l'itemLbael, quanto il titolo della voce su itwiki. Immagino debba mettere mano al wikibase. Come potrei fare? Grazie <a href="/wiki/User:Mastrocom" title="User:Mastrocom">Mastrocom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mastrocom" title="User talk:Mastrocom"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Mastrocom-20241004152700-Un_consiglio" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mastrocom-20241004152700-Un_consiglio"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241004152700","author":"Mastrocom","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mastrocom-20241004152700-Un_consiglio","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241004175100-Mastrocom-20241004152700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mastrocom-20241004152700-Un_consiglio"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20241004175100-Mastrocom-20241004152700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mastrocom" title="User:Mastrocom"><bdi>Mastrocom</bdi></a>: è un piacere sentirti; propongo:</dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1502159272"><div class="wdt-sparql-container"><div><div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-sparql mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="k">SELECT</span> <span class="k">DISTINCT</span> <span class="nv">?item</span> <span class="nv">?itlabel</span> <span class="nv">?articleurl</span> <span class="nv">?article</span> <span class="nv">?id</span> <span class="k">WHERE</span> <span class="p">{</span> <span class="nv">?item</span> <span class="nn">wdt</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">P3360</span> <span class="nv">?id</span> <span class="p">;</span> <span class="nn">rdfs</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">label</span> <span class="nv">?itlabel</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="k">FILTER</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="nf">LANG</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="nv">?itlabel</span><span class="p">)</span> <span class="o">=</span> <span class="s">"it"</span><span class="p">)</span> <span class="nv">?articleurl</span> <span class="nn">schema</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">about</span> <span class="nv">?item</span> <span class="p">;</span> <span class="nn">schema</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">isPartOf</span> <span class="nl"><https://it.wikipedia.org/></span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="k">BIND</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="nf">REPLACE</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="nn">wikibase</span><span class="p">:</span><span class="nt">decodeUri</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="nf">SUBSTR</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="nf">STR</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="nv">?articleurl</span><span class="p">),</span> <span class="mi">31</span><span class="p">)),</span><span class="s">"_"</span><span class="p">,</span><span class="s">" "</span><span class="p">)</span> <span class="k">AS</span> <span class="nv">?article</span><span class="p">)</span> <span class="p">.</span> <span class="p">}</span> </pre></div></div><a class="external text" href="https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fitem%20%3Fitlabel%20%3Farticleurl%20%3Farticle%20%3Fid%0AWHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP3360%20%3Fid%20%3B%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Fitlabel%20.%20FILTER%28LANG%28%3Fitlabel%29%20%3D%20%22it%22%29%0A%20%20%3Farticleurl%20schema%3Aabout%20%3Fitem%20%3B%20schema%3AisPartOf%20%3Chttps%3A%2F%2Fit.wikipedia.org%2F%3E%20.%0A%20%20BIND%28REPLACE%28wikibase%3AdecodeUri%28SUBSTR%28STR%28%3Farticleurl%29%2C%2031%29%29%2C%22_%22%2C%22%20%22%29%20AS%20%3Farticle%29%20.%0A%7D"><span dir="ltr" lang="en">Try it!</span></a> </div></dd> <dd>Come ti pare? <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20241004175100-Mastrocom-20241004152700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 4 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20241004175100-Mastrocom-20241004152700"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241004175100","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241004175100-Mastrocom-20241004152700","replies":["c-Mastrocom-20241005065400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241004175100"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20241004175100-Mastrocom-20241004152700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mastrocom-20241005065400-Epìdosis-20241004175100"></span>Perfetta! Grazie mille! <a href="/wiki/User:Mastrocom" title="User:Mastrocom">Mastrocom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mastrocom" title="User talk:Mastrocom"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Mastrocom-20241005065400-Epìdosis-20241004175100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:54, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mastrocom-20241005065400-Epìdosis-20241004175100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241005065400","author":"Mastrocom","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mastrocom-20241005065400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241004175100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mastrocom-20241005065400-Epìdosis-20241004175100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20241008220500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Carlo_Angeli-20241008220500","replies":["c-Kolja21-20241008220500-Carlo_Angeli"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Carlo Angeli","linkableTitle":"Carlo Angeli"}--><h2 id="Carlo_Angeli" data-mw-thread-id="h-Carlo_Angeli-20241008220500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Carlo_Angeli-20241008220500"></span>Carlo Angeli<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Carlo_Angeli-20241008220500"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20241008220500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Carlo_Angeli-20241008220500","replies":["c-Kolja21-20241008220500-Carlo_Angeli"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241015073200-Kolja21-20241015021600","timestamp":"20241015073200"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20241008220500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Carlo_Angeli-20241008220500","replies":["c-Kolja21-20241008220500-Carlo_Angeli"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Carlo Angeli","linkableTitle":"Carlo Angeli"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20241008220500-Carlo_Angeli"></span>Hi Epìdosis, there are three Italian artists from the 17th century of the name "Carlo Angeli". I can't distinguish them clearly: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q108744105" title="Q108744105">Carlo Angeli <small>(Q108744105)</small></a>, Italian artist, active 1654-1655.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q21288599" title="Q21288599">Carlo d'Angelo <small>(Q21288599)</small></a>, painter, probably Italian (active 17th century).</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www-degruyter-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/database/AKL/entry/_10022467/html">Carlo Angeli</a>, ital. Silberschmied in Perugia, † vor dem 21.12.1686. Seit 1684 Zunftmitglied, bis 1686 urkundlich nachweisbar.</li></ul> <p>Can you help? --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20241008220500-Carlo_Angeli" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20241008220500-Carlo_Angeli"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008220500","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kolja21-20241008220500-Carlo_Angeli","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241014214000-Kolja21-20241008220500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20241008220500-Carlo_Angeli"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20241014214000-Kolja21-20241008220500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: I am honestly in doubt about <a href="/wiki/Q21288599" title="Q21288599">Carlo d'Angelo <small>(Q21288599)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian painter (17th century)</span></small> because I cannot find sources beyond ULAN, but it seems not identical to <a href="/wiki/Q108744105" title="Q108744105">Carlo Angeli <small>(Q108744105)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian painter (fl. 1655)</span></small>; I have created also <a href="/wiki/Q130533005" title="Q130533005">Carlo Angeli <small>(Q130533005)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian silversmith (fl. 1684)</span></small>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20241014214000-Kolja21-20241008220500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20241014214000-Kolja21-20241008220500"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014214000","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241014214000-Kolja21-20241008220500","replies":["c-Kolja21-20241015021600-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241014214000"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20241014214000-Kolja21-20241008220500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20241015021600-Epìdosis-20241014214000"></span>Thanks for the disambiguation. So we have artists from Antwerp, Naples, and Perugia. But what's about ICCU CUBV005267 = <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://opac.sbn.it/risultati-autori/-/opac-autori/detail/CUBV005267">Carlo Angeli</a>, author of <i>Momenti d'ozio. Versi</i> (1895)? Should I create a fourth item for him to clean up VIAF <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://viaf.org/viaf/307349502">307349502</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20241015021600-Epìdosis-20241014214000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:16, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20241015021600-Epìdosis-20241014214000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015021600","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kolja21-20241015021600-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241014214000","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241015073200-Kolja21-20241015021600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20241015021600-Epìdosis-20241014214000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20241015073200-Kolja21-20241015021600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: He is a poet of which nothing else is known: I have now created <a href="/wiki/Q130534738" title="Q130534738">Carlo Angeli <small>(Q130534738)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian poet (fl. 1897)</span></small> for him. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20241015073200-Kolja21-20241015021600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:32, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20241015073200-Kolja21-20241015021600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015073200","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241015073200-Kolja21-20241015021600","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20241015073200-Kolja21-20241015021600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Syrio-20241014085800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\"Troppe_entit\u00e0_Wikidata_accedute\"-20241014085800","replies":["c-Syrio-20241014085800-\"Troppe_entit\u00e0_Wikidata_accedute\""],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"\"Troppe entit\u00e0 Wikidata accedute\"","linkableTitle":"\"Troppe entit\u00e0 Wikidata accedute\""}--><h2 id=""Troppe_entità_Wikidata_accedute"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Troppe_entità_Wikidata_accedute"-20241014085800"><span id=".22Troppe_entit.C3.A0_Wikidata_accedute.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Troppe_entità_Wikidata_accedute"-20241014085800"></span>"Troppe entità Wikidata accedute"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Troppe_entità_Wikidata_accedute"-20241014085800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Syrio-20241014085800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\"Troppe_entit\u00e0_Wikidata_accedute\"-20241014085800","replies":["c-Syrio-20241014085800-\"Troppe_entit\u00e0_Wikidata_accedute\""],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Syrio-20241014124000-Horcrux-20241014112800","timestamp":"20241014124000"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__4__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Syrio-20241014085800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-\"Troppe_entit\u00e0_Wikidata_accedute\"-20241014085800","replies":["c-Syrio-20241014085800-\"Troppe_entit\u00e0_Wikidata_accedute\""],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"\"Troppe entit\u00e0 Wikidata accedute\"","linkableTitle":"\"Troppe entit\u00e0 Wikidata accedute\""}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20241014085800-"Troppe_entità_Wikidata_accedute""></span>Ciao! Torno a elemosinare un aiutino anche se non so se è il tuo campo (ma magari sai indirizzarmi da qualcun altro che può rispondermi). Sapresti dirmi se <a href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Sportello_informazioni#Troppe_entità_Wikidata_accedute" class="extiw" title="it:Aiuto:Sportello informazioni">questo problema</a> è risolvibile in un modo diverso da "substare tutti i template Wikidata"? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20241014085800-"Troppe_entità_Wikidata_accedute"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20241014085800-"Troppe_entità_Wikidata_accedute""><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014085800","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Syrio-20241014085800-\"Troppe_entit\u00e0_Wikidata_accedute\"","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241014100900-Syrio-20241014085800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20241014085800-"Troppe_entità_Wikidata_accedute""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20241014100900-Syrio-20241014085800"></span>Ciao @<a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><bdi>Syrio</bdi></a>:, temo sia effettivamente l'unica soluzione ma non sono così esperto del riuso dei dati di Wikidata in altri progetti; il messaggio inglese è "Too many Wikidata entities accessed" e cercandolo ho trovato <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T279069" class="extiw" title="phab:T279069">phab:T279069</a>; è un errore che ricordo sicuramente di aver già visto in passato. Penso che @<a href="/wiki/User:Horcrux" title="User:Horcrux"><bdi>Horcrux</bdi></a>: possa darti consigli pratici molto più utili dei miei. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20241014100900-Syrio-20241014085800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20241014100900-Syrio-20241014085800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014100900","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241014100900-Syrio-20241014085800","replies":["c-Horcrux-20241014112800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241014100900"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20241014100900-Syrio-20241014085800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Horcrux-20241014112800-Epìdosis-20241014100900"></span>Mi dispiace ma purtroppo non so come aiutare :-/ --<a href="/wiki/User:Horcrux" title="User:Horcrux">Horcrux</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Horcrux" title="User talk:Horcrux"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Horcrux-20241014112800-Epìdosis-20241014100900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Horcrux-20241014112800-Epìdosis-20241014100900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014112800","author":"Horcrux","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Horcrux-20241014112800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241014100900","replies":["c-Syrio-20241014124000-Horcrux-20241014112800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Horcrux-20241014112800-Epìdosis-20241014100900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20241014124000-Horcrux-20241014112800"></span>No worries, grazie comunque a entrambi! --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20241014124000-Horcrux-20241014112800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20241014124000-Horcrux-20241014112800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014124000","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Syrio-20241014124000-Horcrux-20241014112800","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20241014124000-Horcrux-20241014112800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Syrio-20241015203100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Query_2-20241015203100","replies":["c-Syrio-20241015203100-Query_2"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Query","linkableTitle":"Query 2"}--><h2 id="Query_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Query_2-20241015203100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Query_2-20241015203100"></span>Query<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Query_2-20241015203100"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Syrio-20241015203100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Query_2-20241015203100","replies":["c-Syrio-20241015203100-Query_2"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Syrio-20241016071800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241015212400","timestamp":"20241016071800"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Syrio-20241015203100","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Query_2-20241015203100","replies":["c-Syrio-20241015203100-Query_2"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Query","linkableTitle":"Query 2"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20241015203100-Query_2"></span>Ciao! Sperando che tu non mi maledica, torno a chiederti un consulto (a tempo perso, non è una cosa importante) e poi spero di lasciarti in pace per un po'. In una query come <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://w.wiki/A5j5">questa</a> (sempre la solita) come faccio a far visualizzare il nome delle chiese nella mappa? Ho provato a pescare la stringa da <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://w.wiki/BYgD">qui</a> ed è mezz'ora che ci smanetto ma non riesco a farla funzionare P_P <b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20241015203100-Query_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20241015203100-Query_2"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015203100","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Syrio-20241015203100-Query_2","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241015212400-Syrio-20241015203100"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20241015203100-Query_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20241015212400-Syrio-20241015203100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><bdi>Syrio</bdi></a>: la cosa più facile è <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://w.wiki/BYhM">https://w.wiki/BYhM</a> direi. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20241015212400-Syrio-20241015203100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20241015212400-Syrio-20241015203100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015212400","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241015212400-Syrio-20241015203100","replies":["c-Syrio-20241016071800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241015212400"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20241015212400-Syrio-20241015203100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syrio-20241016071800-Epìdosis-20241015212400"></span>aaah mi mancava da aggiungere il churchlabel in alto! Grazie, sei sempre gentilissimo :) --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Syrio" title="User:Syrio"><span style="color:orange;">Syrio</span></a></b> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Syrio" title="User talk:Syrio"><small><span style="color:orangered;">posso aiutare?</span></small></a></i> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Syrio-20241016071800-Epìdosis-20241015212400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:18, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syrio-20241016071800-Epìdosis-20241015212400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016071800","author":"Syrio","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Syrio-20241016071800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241015212400","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syrio-20241016071800-Epìdosis-20241015212400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Zanekost-20241017180400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Pietro_Paoletti-20241017180400","replies":["c-Zanekost-20241017180400-Pietro_Paoletti"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Pietro Paoletti","linkableTitle":"Pietro Paoletti"}--><h2 id="Pietro_Paoletti" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pietro_Paoletti-20241017180400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pietro_Paoletti-20241017180400"></span>Pietro Paoletti<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pietro_Paoletti-20241017180400"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Zanekost-20241017180400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Pietro_Paoletti-20241017180400","replies":["c-Zanekost-20241017180400-Pietro_Paoletti"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Zanekost-20241018192700-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241018170900","timestamp":"20241018192700"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__6__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Zanekost-20241017180400","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Pietro_Paoletti-20241017180400","replies":["c-Zanekost-20241017180400-Pietro_Paoletti"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Pietro Paoletti","linkableTitle":"Pietro Paoletti"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanekost-20241017180400-Pietro_Paoletti"></span>Ciao Epidoisis, l'aggiunta dell'identificativo DDB in <a href="/wiki/Q16198880" title="Q16198880">Q16198880</a> è errata nella fonte: l'autore è delle opere lì indicate è Pietro Paoletti di Osvaldo (1849-1936) (<a href="/wiki/Q21289690" title="Q21289690">Q21289690</a>). Che si fa in questi casi? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)">Zanekost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanekost" title="User talk:Zanekost"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Zanekost-20241017180400-Pietro_Paoletti" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanekost-20241017180400-Pietro_Paoletti"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017180400","author":"Zanekost","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zanekost-20241017180400-Pietro_Paoletti","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241017215900-Zanekost-20241017180400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanekost-20241017180400-Pietro_Paoletti"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20241017215900-Zanekost-20241017180400"></span>Per errori nel GND e dintorni, di solito segnalo a Kolja21, ma per attribuzioni errate di opere non sono sicuro che possa risolvere. Proviamo comunque.</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: the two works listed in <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/person/gnd/123511992">https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/person/gnd/123511992</a> are in fact not by <a href="/wiki/Q16198880" title="Q16198880">Pietro Paoletti <small>(Q16198880)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian painter (1801-1847)</span></small> but by <a href="/wiki/Q21289690" title="Q21289690">Pietro Paoletti <small>(Q21289690)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian art historian (1849-1936)</span></small>. Could it be reported? Thanks as always! <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20241017215900-Zanekost-20241017180400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20241017215900-Zanekost-20241017180400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017215900","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241017215900-Zanekost-20241017180400","replies":["c-Kolja21-20241018025800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241017215900"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20241017215900-Zanekost-20241017180400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20241018025800-Epìdosis-20241017215900"></span>"Datenpartner" (= digital copy available by) Bayerische Staatsbibliothek. They need to correct the author but I don't see no error report form. <a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20241018025800-Epìdosis-20241017215900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:58, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20241018025800-Epìdosis-20241017215900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018025800","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kolja21-20241018025800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241017215900","replies":["c-Zanekost-20241018165000-Kolja21-20241018025800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20241018025800-Epìdosis-20241017215900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanekost-20241018165000-Kolja21-20241018025800"></span>E pensare che proprio il secondo Paoletti firmava l'opera lì citata <i>Pietro Paoletti di Osvaldo</i> per distinguersi dal primo… <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)">Zanekost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanekost" title="User talk:Zanekost"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Zanekost-20241018165000-Kolja21-20241018025800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanekost-20241018165000-Kolja21-20241018025800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018165000","author":"Zanekost","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Zanekost-20241018165000-Kolja21-20241018025800","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241018170900-Zanekost-20241018165000"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanekost-20241018165000-Kolja21-20241018025800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20241018170900-Zanekost-20241018165000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)"><bdi>Zanekost</bdi></a>: capisco perfettamente, questi casi sono estremamente spiacevoli (oltre che irritantemente frequenti) ed è tuttora un problema che molti siti non abbiano sistemi per riportare errori (cf. <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Data_round-tripping" title="Wikidata:Data round-tripping">Wikidata:Data round-tripping</a>) veramente efficaci. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20241018170900-Zanekost-20241018165000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20241018170900-Zanekost-20241018165000"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018170900","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241018170900-Zanekost-20241018165000","replies":["c-Zanekost-20241018192700-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241018170900"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20241018170900-Zanekost-20241018165000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanekost-20241018192700-Epìdosis-20241018170900"></span>Gia! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zanekost&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zanekost (page does not exist)">Zanekost</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanekost" title="User talk:Zanekost"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Zanekost-20241018192700-Epìdosis-20241018170900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanekost-20241018192700-Epìdosis-20241018170900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018192700","author":"Zanekost","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Zanekost-20241018192700-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241018170900","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanekost-20241018192700-Epìdosis-20241018170900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Silvia_Berselli-20241018135500","replies":["c-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500-Silvia_Berselli"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Silvia Berselli","linkableTitle":"Silvia Berselli"}--><h2 id="Silvia_Berselli" data-mw-thread-id="h-Silvia_Berselli-20241018135500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Silvia_Berselli-20241018135500"></span>Silvia Berselli<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Silvia_Berselli-20241018135500"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Silvia_Berselli-20241018135500","replies":["c-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500-Silvia_Berselli"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Kolja21-20241018225000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241018143300","timestamp":"20241018225000"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Silvia_Berselli-20241018135500","replies":["c-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500-Silvia_Berselli"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Silvia Berselli","linkableTitle":"Silvia Berselli"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500-Silvia_Berselli"></span>Ciao Epìdosis, </p><p>Per il momento abbiamo solo <a href="/wiki/Q128008516" title="Q128008516">Silvia Berselli <small>(Q128008516)</small></a>, ma <i>L'archivio fotografico : manuale per la conservazione e la gestione della fotografia antica e moderna</i>, da cui SBN conosce quatro edizioni, probabilmente non è da lei. In fato ci sono in paio di rissorce scritte da una Silvia Berselli attorno il soggeto della fotografia che risalgono al 1991, quando l'architteta aveva 11 anni. Potresti creare una nuova scheda? Grazie e a presto, --<a href="/wiki/User:Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)" title="User:Thomas Kerboul (BGE)">Thomas Kerboul (BGE)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)" title="User talk:Thomas Kerboul (BGE)"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500-Silvia_Berselli" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500-Silvia_Berselli"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018135500","author":"Thomas Kerboul (BGE)","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500-Silvia_Berselli","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241018143300-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500-Silvia_Berselli"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20241018143300-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)" title="User:Thomas Kerboul (BGE)"><bdi>Thomas Kerboul (BGE)</bdi></a>: sistemato in SBN, sarà visibile martedì; in Wikidata <a href="/wiki/Q128008516" title="Q128008516">Silvia Berselli <small>(Q128008516)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian architect and historian of architecture (1980-)</span></small> and <a href="/wiki/Q115658651" title="Q115658651">Silvia Berselli <small>(Q115658651)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian photo restorer</span></small>.</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://opac.k10plus.de/DB=2.299/PPNSET?PPN=1620271230&PRS=HOL&INDEXSET=21">https://opac.k10plus.de/DB=2.299/PPNSET?PPN=1620271230&PRS=HOL&INDEXSET=21</a> is wrongly attributed to the first (= <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://d-nb.info/gnd/1089084560">https://d-nb.info/gnd/1089084560</a>) but it is by the second. My edits to SBN will be visible on Tuesday. I also reported conflations to ISNI (and to Parsifal), let's see. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20241018143300-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20241018143300-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018143300","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241018143300-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500","replies":["c-Kolja21-20241018225000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241018143300"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20241018143300-Thomas_Kerboul_(BGE)-20241018135500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20241018225000-Epìdosis-20241018143300"></span>I've created GND <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://d-nb.info/gnd/134538422X">134538422X</a> for the photo restorer. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20241018225000-Epìdosis-20241018143300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:50, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20241018225000-Epìdosis-20241018143300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018225000","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kolja21-20241018225000-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241018143300","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20241018225000-Epìdosis-20241018143300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20241020095800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-BEIC_Digital_Library:_Pietro_Bernardo-20241020095800","replies":["c-Kolja21-20241020095800-BEIC_Digital_Library:_Pietro_Bernardo"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"BEIC Digital Library: Pietro Bernardo","linkableTitle":"BEIC Digital Library: Pietro Bernardo"}--><h2 id="BEIC_Digital_Library:_Pietro_Bernardo" data-mw-thread-id="h-BEIC_Digital_Library:_Pietro_Bernardo-20241020095800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BEIC_Digital_Library:_Pietro_Bernardo-20241020095800"></span>BEIC Digital Library: Pietro Bernardo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BEIC_Digital_Library:_Pietro_Bernardo-20241020095800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20241020095800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-BEIC_Digital_Library:_Pietro_Bernardo-20241020095800","replies":["c-Kolja21-20241020095800-BEIC_Digital_Library:_Pietro_Bernardo"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241022123500-Kolja21-20241020095800","timestamp":"20241022123500"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20241020095800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-BEIC_Digital_Library:_Pietro_Bernardo-20241020095800","replies":["c-Kolja21-20241020095800-BEIC_Digital_Library:_Pietro_Bernardo"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"BEIC Digital Library: Pietro Bernardo","linkableTitle":"BEIC Digital Library: Pietro Bernardo"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20241020095800-BEIC_Digital_Library:_Pietro_Bernardo"></span>Hi Epìdosis, can you take a look at <a href="/wiki/Q18945740" class="mw-redirect" title="Q18945740">Pietro Bernardino <small>(Q18945740)</small></a>: "sec. 15.-16."? The item was created based on the BEIC Digital Library (Bernardo, Pietro 1475-1502). Later, with the same source: 1451-1550. <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q18945740&diff=722055792&oldid=669124458&diffmode=source">Reinheitsgebot added GND 121182045</a> was obviously wrong. Could be identical with <a href="/wiki/Q7192934" title="Q7192934">Pietro Bernardino <small>(Q7192934)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian heretic (1475-1502)</span></small>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20241020095800-BEIC_Digital_Library:_Pietro_Bernardo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20241020095800-BEIC_Digital_Library:_Pietro_Bernardo"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020095800","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kolja21-20241020095800-BEIC_Digital_Library:_Pietro_Bernardo","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241022123500-Kolja21-20241020095800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20241020095800-BEIC_Digital_Library:_Pietro_Bernardo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20241022123500-Kolja21-20241020095800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: BEIC checked, it was effectively a duplicate of <a href="/wiki/Q7192934" title="Q7192934">Pietro Bernardino <small>(Q7192934)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian heretic (1475-1502)</span></small>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20241022123500-Kolja21-20241020095800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:35, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20241022123500-Kolja21-20241020095800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241022123500","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241022123500-Kolja21-20241020095800","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20241022123500-Kolja21-20241020095800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Accurimbono-20241022094800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Segnalazione_vandalo-20241022094800","replies":["c-Accurimbono-20241022094800-Segnalazione_vandalo"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Segnalazione vandalo","linkableTitle":"Segnalazione vandalo"}--><h2 id="Segnalazione_vandalo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Segnalazione_vandalo-20241022094800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Segnalazione_vandalo-20241022094800"></span>Segnalazione vandalo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Segnalazione_vandalo-20241022094800"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Accurimbono-20241022094800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Segnalazione_vandalo-20241022094800","replies":["c-Accurimbono-20241022094800-Segnalazione_vandalo"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Accurimbono-20241022095400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241022095100","timestamp":"20241022095400"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__3__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Accurimbono-20241022094800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Segnalazione_vandalo-20241022094800","replies":["c-Accurimbono-20241022094800-Segnalazione_vandalo"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Segnalazione vandalo","linkableTitle":"Segnalazione vandalo"}--></div></div></div> <p><a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alobetit"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Accurimbono-20241022094800-Segnalazione_vandalo"></span>https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alobetit</a> </p><p>Segnalo questo utente: 3 edit, 3 vandalismi. Puoi pensarci tu per favore? Non sono familiare come le procedure di segnalazione vandali qui su Wikidata. Grazie, ciao, <a href="/wiki/User:Accurimbono" title="User:Accurimbono">Accurimbono</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Accurimbono" title="User talk:Accurimbono"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Accurimbono-20241022094800-Segnalazione_vandalo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Accurimbono-20241022094800-Segnalazione_vandalo"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241022094800","author":"Accurimbono","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Accurimbono-20241022094800-Segnalazione_vandalo","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241022095100-Accurimbono-20241022094800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Accurimbono-20241022094800-Segnalazione_vandalo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20241022095100-Accurimbono-20241022094800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Accurimbono" title="User:Accurimbono"><bdi>Accurimbono</bdi></a>: bloccato, grazie per la segnalazione. In questi casi puoi segnalare a <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:AN">WD:AN</a>, possibilmente in inglese; quella è la pagina sorvegliata da tutti gli amministratori. Comunque per casi non troppo urgenti scrivi pure a me se preferisci. A presto! <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20241022095100-Accurimbono-20241022094800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20241022095100-Accurimbono-20241022094800"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241022095100","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241022095100-Accurimbono-20241022094800","replies":["c-Accurimbono-20241022095400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241022095100"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20241022095100-Accurimbono-20241022094800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Accurimbono-20241022095400-Epìdosis-20241022095100"></span>Grazie mille! <a href="/wiki/User:Accurimbono" title="User:Accurimbono">Accurimbono</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Accurimbono" title="User talk:Accurimbono"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Accurimbono-20241022095400-Epìdosis-20241022095100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Accurimbono-20241022095400-Epìdosis-20241022095100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241022095400","author":"Accurimbono","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Accurimbono-20241022095400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241022095100","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Accurimbono-20241022095400-Epìdosis-20241022095100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20241022101500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli-20241022101500","replies":["c-Kolja21-20241022101500-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli","c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241022103700-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Stefano Angeli and Stefano de Angeli","linkableTitle":"Stefano Angeli and Stefano de Angeli"}--><h2 id="Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli-20241022101500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli-20241022101500"></span>Stefano Angeli and Stefano de Angeli<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli-20241022101500"></span></h2><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20241022101500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli-20241022101500","replies":["c-Kolja21-20241022101500-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli","c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241022103700-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli"],"uneditableSection":true}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024091800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241024091300","timestamp":"20241024091800"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__13__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__3__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Kolja21-20241022101500","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli-20241022101500","replies":["c-Kolja21-20241022101500-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli","c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241022103700-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli"],"uneditableSection":true,"text":"Stefano Angeli and Stefano de Angeli","linkableTitle":"Stefano Angeli and Stefano de Angeli"}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20241022101500-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli"></span>Hi Epìdosis, I would like to create a GND for: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q130610695" title="Q130610695">Stefano Angeli <small>(Q130610695)</small></a> = IdRef <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.idref.fr/170512487">170512487</a></li></ul> <p>I assume he is an historian (based on the title of his book). But there is a second author who wrote books about history: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q130610921" title="Q130610921">Stefano De Angeli <small>(Q130610921)</small></a> (GND 1158216815 without info) = IdRef <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.idref.fr/073434205">073434205</a>, art historian?</li> <li>BnF <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb170503705">170503705</a> lists him as an archaeologist</li></ul> <p>Can you check the two items? --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20241022101500-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20241022101500-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241022101500","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kolja21-20241022101500-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20241022101500-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli"></span> </p><p><a href="/wiki/Q130610695" title="Q130610695"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241022103700-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli"></span>Q130610695</a> contains <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://viaf.org/viaf/305107957/">https://viaf.org/viaf/305107957/</a> which contains <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/n83018190.html">https://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/n83018190.html</a> which has Identifies RWO <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://isni.org/isni/0000000369278011">https://isni.org/isni/0000000369278011</a> but that ISNI exists at Stefano degli Angeli (<a href="/wiki/Q3498009" title="Q3498009">Q3498009</a>) <a href="/wiki/User:Lorenz_Karsten" title="User:Lorenz Karsten">Lorenz Karsten</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lorenz_Karsten" title="User talk:Lorenz Karsten"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241022103700-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241022103700-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241022103700","author":"Lorenz Karsten","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241022103700-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli","replies":["c-Kolja21-20241022110300-Lorenz_Karsten-20241022103700"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241022103700-Stefano_Angeli_and_Stefano_de_Angeli"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kolja21-20241022110300-Lorenz_Karsten-20241022103700"></span>Hi, LCAuth <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://lccn.loc.gov/n83018190">n83018190</a> = <a href="/wiki/Q130610695" title="Q130610695">Stefano Angeli <small>(Q130610695)</small></a>. The metadata (RWO = Real World Object) is automatically linked to the authority file and have not been checked. In this case the RWO link was most likely based on an <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q3498009&diff=132874609&oldid=132874400&diffmode=source">error in Wikidata</a>. @<a href="/wiki/User:Ferran_Mir" title="User:Ferran Mir"><bdi>Ferran Mir</bdi></a>: FYI. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Kolja21-20241022110300-Lorenz_Karsten-20241022103700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:03, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kolja21-20241022110300-Lorenz_Karsten-20241022103700"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241022110300","author":"Kolja21","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kolja21-20241022110300-Lorenz_Karsten-20241022103700","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241022130600-Kolja21-20241022110300","c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023062400-Kolja21-20241022110300"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kolja21-20241022110300-Lorenz_Karsten-20241022103700"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Q130610695" title="Q130610695"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20241022130600-Kolja21-20241022110300"></span>Stefano Angeli <small>(Q130610695)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian historian</span></small> (an historian surely, but in fact nothing else emerges) and <a href="/wiki/Q130610921" title="Q130610921">Stefano De Angeli <small>(Q130610921)</small></a>: <small><span lang="">Italian classical archaeologist</span></small> (an archaeologist, many infos found) both fixed in Wikidata and in SBN (visible on Tuesday as usual); in SBN I have reviewed all the records having Stefano and Angeli in their name. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20241022130600-Kolja21-20241022110300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20241022130600-Kolja21-20241022110300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241022130600","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241022130600-Kolja21-20241022110300","replies":[],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20241022130600-Kolja21-20241022110300"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023062400-Kolja21-20241022110300"></span>Not sure what n83018190 is about. What has more weight than "Identifies RWO <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://isni.org/isni/0000000369278011">https://isni.org/isni/0000000369278011</a>"? If one assumes this claim is based on an error in the ISNI, then, maybe one of you can file a report to ISNI? I *think* I recently had good and fast experience with ISNI on error correction. <a href="/wiki/User:Lorenz_Karsten" title="User:Lorenz Karsten">Lorenz Karsten</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lorenz_Karsten" title="User talk:Lorenz Karsten"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023062400-Kolja21-20241022110300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023062400-Kolja21-20241022110300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023062400","author":"Lorenz Karsten","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023062400-Kolja21-20241022110300","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241023063100-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023062400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023062400-Kolja21-20241022110300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20241023063100-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023062400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lorenz_Karsten" title="User:Lorenz Karsten"><bdi>Lorenz Karsten</bdi></a>: I confirm, I filed a report to ISNI about <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://isni.org/isni/0000000369278011">https://isni.org/isni/0000000369278011</a> and I'm waiting for their answer. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20241023063100-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023062400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:31, 23 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20241023063100-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023062400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023063100","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241023063100-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023062400","replies":["c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023063500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241023063100"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20241023063100-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023062400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023063500-Epìdosis-20241023063100"></span>Please report back when you found a change which could be interpreted as action based on your report. Would really be great if they fix errors and do that fast. <a href="/wiki/User:Lorenz_Karsten" title="User:Lorenz Karsten">Lorenz Karsten</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lorenz_Karsten" title="User talk:Lorenz Karsten"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023063500-Epìdosis-20241023063100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:35, 23 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023063500-Epìdosis-20241023063100"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023063500","author":"Lorenz Karsten","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023063500-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241023063100","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241024085400-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023063500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023063500-Epìdosis-20241023063100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20241024085400-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023063500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Lorenz_Karsten" title="User:Lorenz Karsten"><bdi>Lorenz Karsten</bdi></a>: Solved now, ISNI has moved LC to <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q130610695&diff=2264427727&oldid=2264306452">a new ISNI</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20241024085400-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023063500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:54, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20241024085400-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023063500"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241024085400","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241024085400-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023063500","replies":["c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241024085400"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20241024085400-Lorenz_Karsten-20241023063500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090400-Epìdosis-20241024085400"></span>Great! How did you find out, seeing that LC was removed from the old one and then searching the new in the ISNI DB? <a href="/wiki/User:Lorenz_Karsten" title="User:Lorenz Karsten">Lorenz Karsten</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lorenz_Karsten" title="User talk:Lorenz Karsten"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090400-Epìdosis-20241024085400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090400-Epìdosis-20241024085400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241024090400","author":"Lorenz Karsten","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090400-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241024085400","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241024090600-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090400"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090400-Epìdosis-20241024085400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20241024090600-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090400"></span>Just checking again in ISNI through the internal search of "Stefano Angeli". <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20241024090600-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:06, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20241024090600-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090400"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241024090600","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241024090600-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090400","replies":["c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241024090600"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20241024090600-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090900-Epìdosis-20241024090600"></span>Did you enter your email address into the form, but got no reply at all (like me on other items)? <a href="/wiki/User:Lorenz_Karsten" title="User:Lorenz Karsten">Lorenz Karsten</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lorenz_Karsten" title="User talk:Lorenz Karsten"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090900-Epìdosis-20241024090600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:09, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090900-Epìdosis-20241024090600"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241024090900","author":"Lorenz Karsten","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090900-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241024090600","replies":["c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241024091300-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090900"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090900-Epìdosis-20241024090600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epìdosis-20241024091300-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lorenz_Karsten" title="User:Lorenz Karsten"><bdi>Lorenz Karsten</bdi></a>: I have been sending a few hundreds of mistake reports to ISNI through the form systematically since March 2024; in the first cases I inserted the email address and got no answer, so now I usually never add it to spare time. Only in one case, when I reported a vast conflation of 5 (!) persons into one record, I added my email to answer eventual requests for clarifications and effectively I was contacted for a clarification. But it seems to me that they send emails to the address you indicate only if the case is very complex and they need further evidence; otherwise they just don't write you. This is my experience in the last 8 months. <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis"><b>Epì</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User talk:Epìdosis"><span style="color:green"><b>dosis</b></span></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Epìdosis-20241024091300-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epìdosis-20241024091300-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090900"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241024091300","author":"Ep\u00ecdosis","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241024091300-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090900","replies":["c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024091800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241024091300"],"displayName":"Ep\u00ec"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epìdosis-20241024091300-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024090900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024091800-Epìdosis-20241024091300"></span>Thank you for this detailed report! <a href="/wiki/User:Lorenz_Karsten" title="User:Lorenz Karsten">Lorenz Karsten</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lorenz_Karsten" title="User talk:Lorenz Karsten"><span class="signature-talk">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ep%C3%ACdosis/Archive/2024#c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024091800-Epìdosis-20241024091300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:18, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024091800-Epìdosis-20241024091300"><!--__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__--><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241024091800","author":"Lorenz Karsten","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024091800-Ep\u00ecdosis-20241024091300","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lorenz_Karsten-20241024091800-Epìdosis-20241024091300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐api‐ext.codfw.main‐7556f8b5dd‐2qd7l Cached time: 20241123150307 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.182 seconds CPU time usage: 1.044 seconds Real time usage: 1.399 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 16413/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 102909/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 16185/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 9/100 Expensive parser function count: 6/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 36643/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.292/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 2724815/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/500 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 854.185 1 -total 51.70% 441.596 198 Template:Label 38.00% 324.584 115 Template:Q 19.87% 169.700 83 Template:P 18.99% 162.247 32 Template:Q+ 15.19% 129.757 51 Template:St 8.59% 73.400 32 Template:Autodescription 5.09% 43.513 4 Template:SPARQL 3.14% 26.795 121 Template:Ping 2.73% 23.315 32 Template:Qid_normalize --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key wikidatawiki:pcache:idhash:118647132-0!canonical and timestamp 20241123150306 and revision id 2278729691. 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