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Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Archived_nominations/Index" title="Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Archived nominations/Index">the nomination archive</a>) and why it was removed.</td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Main Page trophy"><img alt="Main Page trophy" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/80/Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg/30px-Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="27" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/80/Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg/45px-Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/80/Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg/60px-Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="103" data-file-height="94"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/July_20,_2005" title="Wikipedia:Today's featured article/July 20, 2005">Today's featured article</a> on July 20, 2005.</td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" style="width:100%"><table class="article-history-milestones" style="width:100%;font-size:90%"><tbody><tr><th colspan="3" style="font-size:110%">Article milestones</th></tr><tr style="text-align:left"><th>Date</th><th>Process</th><th>Result</th></tr><tr><td><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_A._Heinlein&oldid=15024868">June 11, 2005</a></span></td><td><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Robert_A._Heinlein/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Robert A. Heinlein/archive1">Featured article candidate</a></b></td><td>Promoted</td></tr><tr><td><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_A._Heinlein&oldid=274996558">March 14, 2009</a></span></td><td><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Robert_A._Heinlein/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Featured article review/Robert A. Heinlein/archive1">Featured article review</a></b></td><td>Demoted</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2">Current status: <b>Former featured article</b></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Mergefrom.svg/50px-Mergefrom.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Mergefrom.svg/75px-Mergefrom.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Mergefrom.svg/100px-Mergefrom.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="50" data-file-height="20"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><b><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Competent_man&redirect=no">Competent man</a></b> was nominated for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy" title="Wikipedia:Deletion policy">deletion</a>. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Competent_man_(3rd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Competent man (3rd nomination)">The discussion</a> was closed on <b>1 November 2023</b> with a consensus to <b>merge</b>. Its contents were <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Merging" title="Wikipedia:Merging">merged</a> into <a href="/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein" title="Robert A. Heinlein">Robert A. Heinlein</a>. The original page is now a redirect to this page. 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Feel free to help with any of the following tasks. </p> <table style="width:100%; background:none"> <tbody><tr> <td style="width:50px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Things you can do"><img alt="Things you can do" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg/50px-Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg/75px-Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg/100px-Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a></span> </td> <td style="text-align:left; padding:.3em 0"> <ul><li>Add {{Portal|Children's literature}} to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ALSO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ALSO">See also section</a> of related articles.</li> <li>Tag the talk pages of related articles with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_Children%27s_literature" title="Template:WikiProject Children's literature">WikiProject Children's literature</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span></li> <li>Join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Children%27s_literature" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Children's literature">WikiProject Children's literature</a> and list yourself as a <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Children%27s_literature/Participants" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Children's literature/Participants">Participant</a></b> in the project.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Cleanup" title="Wikipedia:Cleanup">Cleanup</a>:</b> A <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/alpha/Children%27s_literature.html">cleanup listing for this project</a> is available. See also <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Children's_literature.html">the list by category</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:CleanupWorklistBot" title="User:CleanupWorklistBot">the tool's wiki page</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/index.html">the index of WikiProjects</a>.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting">Deletion discussions</a></b>: listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Literature" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Literature">Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Literature</a></li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">Notability</a>:</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Notability/Listing_by_project/Page_4#Children.27sLiteratureWikiProject" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability/Listing by project/Page 4">Articles with notability concerns</a>, listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Notability" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability">WikiProject Notability</a></li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment">Rate</a></b> the <a href="/wiki/Category:Unassessed_children_and_young_adult_literature_articles" title="Category:Unassessed children and young adult literature articles">Unassessed articles</a> in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Children%27s_literature" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Children's literature">Children's literature WikiProject</a>.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources" title="Wikipedia:Citing sources">References</a>:</b> Add references to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Children%27s_literature/Unreferenced_BLPs" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Children's literature/Unreferenced BLPs">Unreferenced BLPs</a>.</li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles" title="Wikipedia:Requested articles">Requested articles</a>:</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Culture_and_fine_arts/Literature" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Requested articles/Culture and fine arts/Literature">Create a requested article on literature</a></li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub" title="Wikipedia:Stub">Stubs</a>:</b> <a href="/wiki/Category:Stub-Class_children_and_young_adult_literature_articles" title="Category:Stub-Class children and young adult literature articles">Improve a stub-class article</a></li></ul> <div align="right"><small class="editlink noprint plainlinksneverexpand"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Children%27s_literature/Things_you_can_do&action=edit">edit</a></small></div> </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" 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Heinlein</a>:</b> <span class="noprint plainlinks" style="float: right; text-align: right; font-size: 88%"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein/to_do&action=edit&preload=Template:Tasks/Preload">edit</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein/to_do&action=history">history</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein/to_do&action=watch">watch</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein&action=purge">refresh</a> <b>·</b> Updated 2011-03-03</span> </p> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="todo-box" style="border:1px dotted gray; padding: 2px 4px;"> <p> </p> <table style="background:none;color:inherit;width:auto;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="vertical-align:top;"> <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg/50px-Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg/75px-Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg/100px-Nuvola_apps_korganizer.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a></span><br/><div style="width: 55px; height: 0px;"></div> </td> <td> <div style="position: relative; left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; z-index: 15;">Here are some tasks awaiting attention: <ul style="font-size: 100%; margin: 0px; padding: 0.3em 0px 0.3em 25px;"> <li><b><i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Basic_copyediting" title="Wikipedia:Basic copyediting">Copyedit</a></i> :</b> Use the <a href="/wiki/Concordance_(publishing)" title="Concordance (publishing)">concordance</a> at the <a href="/wiki/Heinlein_Society" title="Heinlein Society">Heinlein Society</a> website as a source for missing references, particularly in plot summaries for <a href="/wiki/Category:Novels_by_Robert_A._Heinlein" title="Category:Novels by Robert A. Heinlein">his novels</a>.</li> </ul> </div> </td></tr></tbody></table> </div> </div></td></tr></tbody></table> <p class="mw-empty-elt"> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Movie_adaptations_lacking" data-mw-thread-id="h-Movie_adaptations_lacking-2022-02-02T20:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Movie_adaptations_lacking-2022-02-02T20:11:00.000Z"></span>Movie adaptations lacking<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Movie_adaptations_lacking-2022-02-02T20:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Movie adaptations lacking"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MonsieurD-2022-02-02T20:11:00.000Z-Movie_adaptations_lacking"></span>Hi folks, I've just noticed this article doesn't talk about the movie adaptations of Heinlein's writings. I don't know how many there are, but I know Predestination (2014) and Starship Troopers (1997) are of the lot. <a href="/wiki/User:MonsieurD" title="User:MonsieurD">MonsieurD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MonsieurD" title="User talk:MonsieurD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-MonsieurD-2022-02-02T20:11:00.000Z-Movie_adaptations_lacking" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 2 February 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MonsieurD-2022-02-02T20:11:00.000Z-Movie_adaptations_lacking"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MonsieurD-2022-02-02T20:11:00.000Z-Movie_adaptations_lacking"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sbelknap-2022-03-04T03:36:00.000Z-MonsieurD-2022-02-02T20:11:00.000Z"></span>Destination Moon was the first one, as I recall. Heinlein has written about his experience as a technical consultant with that one. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sbelknap&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sbelknap (page does not exist)">sbelknap</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sbelknap" title="User talk:Sbelknap">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-Sbelknap-2022-03-04T03:36:00.000Z-MonsieurD-2022-02-02T20:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:36, 4 March 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sbelknap-2022-03-04T03:36:00.000Z-MonsieurD-2022-02-02T20:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sbelknap-2022-03-04T03:36:00.000Z-MonsieurD-2022-02-02T20:11:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sbelknap-2022-03-07T22:03:00.000Z-MonsieurD-2022-02-02T20:11:00.000Z"></span>Heinlein also shares screenwriting credits for Project Moonbase.</dd> <dd>I've added these two to the new Movies section; are there other films for which Heinlein made direct contributions? The adaptations of his written works to film are in the separate Heinlein bibliography article. The new section links to the bibliography article, where I've added the missing IMDb links. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sbelknap&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sbelknap (page does not exist)">sbelknap</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sbelknap" title="User talk:Sbelknap">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-Sbelknap-2022-03-07T22:03:00.000Z-MonsieurD-2022-02-02T20:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 7 March 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sbelknap-2022-03-07T22:03:00.000Z-MonsieurD-2022-02-02T20:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sbelknap-2022-03-07T22:03:00.000Z-MonsieurD-2022-02-02T20:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Military-controlled_government" data-mw-thread-id="h-Military-controlled_government-20220813213000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Military-controlled_government-20220813213000"></span>Military-controlled government<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Military-controlled_government-20220813213000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Military-controlled government"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zaslav-20220813213000-Military-controlled_government"></span>The statement "Space Cadet describes a future scenario where a military-controlled global government enforces world peace." seems inaccurate. There is no suggestion that the government is controlled by the military (the Space Patrol). The government is never mentioned. The only accurate statement is that the Space Patrol has a duty, presumably to a government but that is only an inference, to enforce peace. I think this statement should be changed. <a href="/wiki/User:Zaslav" title="User:Zaslav">Zaslav</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zaslav" title="User talk:Zaslav">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-Zaslav-20220813213000-Military-controlled_government" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zaslav-20220813213000-Military-controlled_government"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zaslav-20220813213000-Military-controlled_government"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schazjmd-20220813214700-Zaslav-20220813213000"></span>The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.nationalreview.com/2010/10/heinleins-conservatism-martin-morse-wooster/">source</a> for that para says <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">"In his 1949 novel Space Cadet, Heinlein depicts a future where peace is preserved through a global government controlled by the military."</q>. <a href="/wiki/User:Schazjmd" title="User:Schazjmd"><span style="color:#066293;"><b>Schazjmd</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schazjmd" title="User talk:Schazjmd"><span style="color:#738276;"><i>(talk)</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-Schazjmd-20220813214700-Zaslav-20220813213000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 13 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schazjmd-20220813214700-Zaslav-20220813213000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schazjmd-20220813214700-Zaslav-20220813213000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2603:8000:8900:6E00:79C8:DB5F:3DBF:D95E-20230403205300-Schazjmd-20220813214700"></span>Zaslav is right, and the National Review article is wrong.-Ben Crowell <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2603:8000:8900:6E00:79C8:DB5F:3DBF:D95E" title="Special:Contributions/2603:8000:8900:6E00:79C8:DB5F:3DBF:D95E">2603:8000:8900:6E00:79C8:DB5F:3DBF:D95E</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2603:8000:8900:6E00:79C8:DB5F:3DBF:D95E&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2603:8000:8900:6E00:79C8:DB5F:3DBF:D95E (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-2603:8000:8900:6E00:79C8:DB5F:3DBF:D95E-20230403205300-Schazjmd-20220813214700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 3 April 2023 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2603:8000:8900:6E00:79C8:DB5F:3DBF:D95E-20230403205300-Schazjmd-20220813214700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2603:8000:8900:6E00:79C8:DB5F:3DBF:D95E-20230403205300-Schazjmd-20220813214700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-C.Fred-20230403210000-2603:8000:8900:6E00:79C8:DB5F:3DBF:D95E-20230403205300"></span>What source is Zaslav citing when making their assertion? —<b><a href="/wiki/User:C.Fred" title="User:C.Fred">C.Fred</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:C.Fred" title="User talk:C.Fred">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-C.Fred-20230403210000-2603:8000:8900:6E00:79C8:DB5F:3DBF:D95E-20230403205300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 3 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-C.Fred-20230403210000-2603:8000:8900:6E00:79C8:DB5F:3DBF:D95E-20230403205300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-C.Fred-20230403210000-2603:8000:8900:6E00:79C8:DB5F:3DBF:D95E-20230403205300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2600:1700:DA90:2AB0:CC40:5A96:6FF0:D992-20230504105200-C.Fred-20230403210000"></span>His own reading comprehension, obviously. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:1700:DA90:2AB0:CC40:5A96:6FF0:D992" title="Special:Contributions/2600:1700:DA90:2AB0:CC40:5A96:6FF0:D992">2600:1700:DA90:2AB0:CC40:5A96:6FF0:D992</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2600:1700:DA90:2AB0:CC40:5A96:6FF0:D992&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2600:1700:DA90:2AB0:CC40:5A96:6FF0:D992 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-2600:1700:DA90:2AB0:CC40:5A96:6FF0:D992-20230504105200-C.Fred-20230403210000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:52, 4 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2600:1700:DA90:2AB0:CC40:5A96:6FF0:D992-20230504105200-C.Fred-20230403210000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2600:1700:DA90:2AB0:CC40:5A96:6FF0:D992-20230504105200-C.Fred-20230403210000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-C.Fred-20230504115200-2600:1700:DA90:2AB0:CC40:5A96:6FF0:D992-20230504105200"></span>So you agree that the description should not be changed, then, since a change would rely on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOR">original research</a>? —<b><a href="/wiki/User:C.Fred" title="User:C.Fred">C.Fred</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:C.Fred" title="User talk:C.Fred">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-C.Fred-20230504115200-2600:1700:DA90:2AB0:CC40:5A96:6FF0:D992-20230504105200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:52, 4 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-C.Fred-20230504115200-2600:1700:DA90:2AB0:CC40:5A96:6FF0:D992-20230504105200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-C.Fred-20230504115200-2600:1700:DA90:2AB0:CC40:5A96:6FF0:D992-20230504105200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167-20230509085100-C.Fred-20230504115200"></span>The source is dubious and as he pointed out, obviously wrong. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167" title="Special:Contributions/2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167">2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167-20230509085100-C.Fred-20230504115200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:51, 9 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167-20230509085100-C.Fred-20230504115200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167-20230509085100-C.Fred-20230504115200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-C.Fred-20230509112900-2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167-20230509085100"></span>Again, what <i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Secondary_sources" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Secondary sources">secondary source</a></i> has presented an analysis of the novel counter to <i>National Review</i><span class="nowrap" style="padding-left:0.1em;">'</span>s? —<b><a href="/wiki/User:C.Fred" title="User:C.Fred">C.Fred</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:C.Fred" title="User talk:C.Fred">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-C.Fred-20230509112900-2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167-20230509085100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 9 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-C.Fred-20230509112900-2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167-20230509085100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-C.Fred-20230509112900-2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167-20230509085100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Diane_Parkin-Speer_suggests_that_Heinlein's_intent_seems_more_to_provoke_the_reader_and_to_question_sexual_norms_than_to_promote_any_particular_sexual_agenda"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Diane_Parkin-Speer_suggests_that_Heinlein's_intent_seems_more_to_provoke_the_re-20230509090800"><span id=".22Diane_Parkin-Speer_suggests_that_Heinlein.27s_intent_seems_more_to_provoke_the_reader_and_to_question_sexual_norms_than_to_promote_any_particular_sexual_agenda.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Diane_Parkin-Speer_suggests_that_Heinlein's_intent_seems_more_to_provoke_the_re-20230509090800"></span>"Diane Parkin-Speer suggests that Heinlein's intent seems more to provoke the reader and to question sexual norms than to promote any particular sexual agenda"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Diane_Parkin-Speer_suggests_that_Heinlein's_intent_seems_more_to_provoke_the_re-20230509090800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: "Diane Parkin-Speer suggests that Heinlein's intent seems more to provoke the reader and to question sexual norms than to promote any particular sexual agenda""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167-20230509090800-"Diane_Parkin-Speer_suggests_that_Heinlein's_intent_seems_more_to_provoke_the_re"></span>This is a topic worth expounding on - I have no source but it seems that on a wide range of topics, not just sexual mores, RAH's incessant pontification via his protagonists could at least equally well be viewed as provocation (or perhaps just making the piece interesting and lively enough to sell) as it could be taken as a political act per se. The point seems germane as various groups like to claim RAH as their ideological champion. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167" title="Special:Contributions/2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167">2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167-20230509090800-"Diane_Parkin-Speer_suggests_that_Heinlein's_intent_seems_more_to_provoke_the_re" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:08, 9 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167-20230509090800-"Diane_Parkin-Speer_suggests_that_Heinlein's_intent_seems_more_to_provoke_the_re"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167-20230509090800-"Diane_Parkin-Speer_suggests_that_Heinlein's_intent_seems_more_to_provoke_the_re"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Big_Three_-Vandalism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Big_Three_-Vandalism-20230619153600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Big_Three_-Vandalism-20230619153600"></span>Big Three -Vandalism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Big_Three_-Vandalism-20230619153600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Big Three -Vandalism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6-20230619153600-Big_Three_-Vandalism"></span>The Big Three are, according to Brian W. Aldiss in Billion Year Spree, Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clarke and Ray Bradbury. Robert A. Heinlein never was one of them, this claim is "alternative facts" and this vandalism doesn't seem to be recent. Please correct.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6" title="Special:Contributions/2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6">2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6" title="User talk:2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6-20230619153600-Big_Three_-Vandalism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 19 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6-20230619153600-Big_Three_-Vandalism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6-20230619153600-Big_Three_-Vandalism"></span> </p> <dl><dd><i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=MtCyDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schazjmd-20230619155600-2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6-20230619153600"></span>The Big Book of Science Fiction</a></i> identifies the "big three" as Asimov, Clarke, and Heinlein, as does <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=tPuzDwAAQBAJ&pg">The Rise and Fall of American Science Fiction, from the 1920s to the 1960s</a></i>, <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=p5U2EAAAQBAJ&pg=PA33">Science Fiction Literature Through History: An Encyclopedia</a></i>, and <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=V-CNAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA8">Fifty Key Figures in Science Fiction</a></i> (which notes that van Vogt was replaced as one of the "big three" as his popularity waned and Clarke's grew). <a href="/wiki/User:Schazjmd" title="User:Schazjmd"><span style="color:#066293;"><b>Schazjmd</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schazjmd" title="User talk:Schazjmd"><span style="color:#738276;"><i>(talk)</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-Schazjmd-20230619155600-2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6-20230619153600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schazjmd-20230619155600-2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6-20230619153600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schazjmd-20230619155600-2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6-20230619153600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schazjmd-20230619155900-2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6-20230619153600"></span>See also: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Arthur_C._Clarke#Big_Three_-Vandalism" title="Talk:Arthur C. Clarke">Talk:Arthur C. Clarke#Big_Three_-Vandalism</a> and <a href="/wiki/Talk:Isaac_Asimov#Big_Three_-Vandalism" title="Talk:Isaac Asimov">Talk:Isaac Asimov#Big_Three_-Vandalism</a>) <a href="/wiki/User:Schazjmd" title="User:Schazjmd"><span style="color:#066293;"><b>Schazjmd</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schazjmd" title="User talk:Schazjmd"><span style="color:#738276;"><i>(talk)</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-Schazjmd-20230619155900-2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6-20230619153600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 19 June 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schazjmd-20230619155900-2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6-20230619153600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schazjmd-20230619155900-2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6-20230619153600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schazjmd-20230727194800-2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6-20230619153600"></span>I finally got hold of a copy of <i>Billion Year Spree</i>. I cannot find the phrase "big three" anywhere in the book. I looked up each mention of Bradbury in the book, and it is never paired with Asimov and Clarke in any meaningful way. Do you have a page number for your reference? <a href="/wiki/User:Schazjmd" title="User:Schazjmd"><span style="color:#066293;"><b>Schazjmd</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schazjmd" title="User talk:Schazjmd"><span style="color:#738276;"><i>(talk)</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-Schazjmd-20230727194800-2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6-20230619153600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 27 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schazjmd-20230727194800-2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6-20230619153600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schazjmd-20230727194800-2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6-20230619153600"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheScotch-20240606124800-Big_Three_-Vandalism"></span>Obviously, there was no "big three". There were, of course, some science-fiction writers who were better known, more highly esteemed by critics or general audiences, or more commercially successful than others. I began reading science-fiction in the late sixties, and my impression then was that the three most important and best-known living science-fiction writers were Clarke, Asimov, and Bradbury. This valuation may have been colored partly by seeing Bradbury more often on television and personally much prefering Bradbury to Heinlein; I'm not sure. I ranked Heinlein fourth in stature, but I liked Fred Hoyle, whom I ranked fifth in stature, much more. Around the time I turned thirteen I decided that the only science-fiction writer who ever really mattered was H.G. Wells. A decade and a half later I added Stanislaw Lem. A few worthy one-works forays into the field by various other writers aside, I've never since wavered. <a href="/wiki/User:TheScotch" title="User:TheScotch">TheScotch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheScotch" title="User talk:TheScotch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein#c-TheScotch-20240606124800-Big_Three_-Vandalism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheScotch-20240606124800-Big_Three_-Vandalism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheScotch-20240606124800-Big_Three_-Vandalism"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Original_research_and_opinion_in_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Original_research_and_opinion_in_article-20240418132900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Original_research_and_opinion_in_article-20240418132900"></span>Original research and opinion in article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Original_research_and_opinion_in_article-20240418132900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Robert_A._Heinlein&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Original research and opinion in article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ashmoo-20240418132900-Original_research_and_opinion_in_article"></span>While generally a good article, with lots of details, the article does seem to include a lot of unsourced opinions about Heinlein's inspirations and evaluations of his work. All opinions need to be attributed to reliable sources (random fan websites do not count). I'm going to start cleaning it up. 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