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href="#RFC_Notice:_Should_grey_literature_from_advocacy_groups_and_other_similar_orgs_always_be_considered_WP:SPS_and_therefore_subject_to_WP:BLPSPS?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>RFC Notice: Should grey literature from advocacy groups and other similar orgs always be considered WP:SPS and therefore subject to WP:BLPSPS?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-RFC_Notice:_Should_grey_literature_from_advocacy_groups_and_other_similar_orgs_always_be_considered_WP:SPS_and_therefore_subject_to_WP:BLPSPS?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Miller_(businessman)#Requested_move_2_November_2024" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Miller_(businessman)#Requested_move_2_November_2024"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> 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Signpost">Signpost</a></i> on 8 October 2012.</td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/40px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="48" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/60px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg/80px-WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="46" data-file-height="55"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><b>WikiProject Biography</b> was featured in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2007-10-08/WikiProject_report" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2007-10-08/WikiProject report"><b>a WikiProject Report</b></a> in the <i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost">Signpost</a></i> on 8 October 2007.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p class="mw-empty-elt"> </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles" title="Wikipedia:Requested articles"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Dialog-information_red.svg/35px-Dialog-information_red.svg.png" decoding="async" width="35" height="35" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Dialog-information_red.svg/53px-Dialog-information_red.svg.png 1.5x, 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5">5</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography/Archive_6" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 6">6</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography/Archive_7" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 7">7</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography/Archive_8" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 8">8</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography/Archive_9" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 9">9</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography/Archive_10" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 10">10</a><br/><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography/Archive_11" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 11">11</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography/Archive_12" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 12">12</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography/Archive_13" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject 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title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 21">21</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography/Archive_22" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 22">22</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography/Archive_23" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 23">23</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography/Archive_24" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 24">24</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography/Archive_25" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 25">25</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography/Archive_26" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 26">26</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography/Archive_27" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 27">27</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography/Archive_28" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 28">28</a>, <a 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see <a href="/wiki/Talk:Alan_Cooper#Requested_move_23_November_2024" title="Talk:Alan Cooper">discussion</a></li> <li>23 Nov 2024 – <b><a href="/wiki/Dave_Burke_(Australian_footballer)" title="Dave Burke (Australian footballer)">Dave Burke (Australian footballer)</a></b> <span class="plainlinks"><small>(<a href="/wiki/Talk:Dave_Burke_(Australian_footballer)" title="Talk:Dave Burke (Australian footballer)">talk</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dave_Burke_(Australian_footballer)&action=edit">edit</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dave_Burke_(Australian_footballer)&action=history">hist</a>)</small></span> is requested to be moved to <a href="/wiki/Dave_Burke" class="mw-disambig" title="Dave Burke">Dave Burke</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Roman_Spinner" title="User:Roman Spinner">Roman Spinner</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Roman_Spinner" title="User talk:Roman Spinner">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Roman_Spinner" title="Special:Contributions/Roman Spinner">c</a>)</small>; see <a href="/wiki/Talk:Dave_Burke_(Australian_footballer)#Requested_move_23_November_2024" title="Talk:Dave Burke (Australian footballer)">discussion</a></li> <li>22 Nov 2024 – <b><a href="/wiki/Larry_Gatlin" title="Larry Gatlin">Larry Gatlin</a></b> <span class="plainlinks"><small>(<a href="/wiki/Talk:Larry_Gatlin" title="Talk:Larry Gatlin">talk</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Larry_Gatlin&action=edit">edit</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Larry_Gatlin&action=history">hist</a>)</small></span> is requested to be moved to <a href="/wiki/The_Gatlin_Brothers" class="mw-redirect" title="The Gatlin Brothers">The Gatlin Brothers</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:TenPoundHammer" title="User:TenPoundHammer">TenPoundHammer</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TenPoundHammer" title="User talk:TenPoundHammer">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer" title="Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer">c</a>)</small>; see <a href="/wiki/Talk:Larry_Gatlin#Requested_move_22_November_2024" title="Talk:Larry Gatlin">discussion</a></li> <li>22 Nov 2024 – <b><a href="/wiki/Ch%C3%B6ying_Dorje,_10th_Karmapa" title="Chöying Dorje, 10th Karmapa">Chöying Dorje, 10th Karmapa</a></b> <span class="plainlinks"><small>(<a href="/wiki/Talk:Ch%C3%B6ying_Dorje,_10th_Karmapa" title="Talk:Chöying Dorje, 10th Karmapa">talk</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ch%C3%B6ying_Dorje,_10th_Karmapa&action=edit">edit</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ch%C3%B6ying_Dorje,_10th_Karmapa&action=history">hist</a>)</small></span> is requested to be moved to <a href="/wiki/10th_Karmapa,_Ch%C3%B6ying_Dorje" class="mw-redirect" title="10th Karmapa, Chöying Dorje">10th Karmapa, Chöying Dorje</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hey_man_im_josh" title="Special:Contributions/Hey man im josh">c</a>)</small>; see <a href="/wiki/Talk:D%C3%BCsum_Khyenpa,_1st_Karmapa_Lama#Requested_move_22_November_2024" title="Talk:Düsum Khyenpa, 1st Karmapa Lama">discussion</a></li> <li>22 Nov 2024 – <b><a href="/wiki/Changchub_Dorje,_12th_Karmapa_Lama" title="Changchub Dorje, 12th Karmapa Lama">Changchub Dorje, 12th Karmapa Lama</a></b> <span class="plainlinks"><small>(<a href="/wiki/Talk:Changchub_Dorje,_12th_Karmapa_Lama" title="Talk:Changchub Dorje, 12th Karmapa Lama">talk</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Changchub_Dorje,_12th_Karmapa_Lama&action=edit">edit</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Changchub_Dorje,_12th_Karmapa_Lama&action=history">hist</a>)</small></span> is requested to be moved to <a href="/wiki/12th_Karmapa,_Changchub_Dorje" class="mw-redirect" title="12th Karmapa, Changchub Dorje">12th Karmapa, Changchub Dorje</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hey_man_im_josh" title="Special:Contributions/Hey man im josh">c</a>)</small>; see <a href="/wiki/Talk:D%C3%BCsum_Khyenpa,_1st_Karmapa_Lama#Requested_move_22_November_2024" title="Talk:Düsum Khyenpa, 1st Karmapa Lama">discussion</a></li> <li>22 Nov 2024 – <b><a href="/wiki/Deshin_Shekpa,_5th_Karmapa_Lama" title="Deshin Shekpa, 5th Karmapa Lama">Deshin Shekpa, 5th Karmapa Lama</a></b> <span class="plainlinks"><small>(<a href="/wiki/Talk:Deshin_Shekpa,_5th_Karmapa_Lama" title="Talk:Deshin Shekpa, 5th Karmapa Lama">talk</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deshin_Shekpa,_5th_Karmapa_Lama&action=edit">edit</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deshin_Shekpa,_5th_Karmapa_Lama&action=history">hist</a>)</small></span> is requested to be moved to <a href="/wiki/5th_Karmapa,_Deshin_Shekpa" class="mw-redirect" title="5th Karmapa, Deshin Shekpa">5th Karmapa, Deshin Shekpa</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hey_man_im_josh" title="Special:Contributions/Hey man im josh">c</a>)</small>; see <a href="/wiki/Talk:D%C3%BCsum_Khyenpa,_1st_Karmapa_Lama#Requested_move_22_November_2024" title="Talk:Düsum Khyenpa, 1st Karmapa Lama">discussion</a></li> <li>22 Nov 2024 – <b><a href="/wiki/Dudul_Dorje,_13th_Karmapa_Lama" title="Dudul Dorje, 13th Karmapa Lama">Dudul Dorje, 13th Karmapa Lama</a></b> <span class="plainlinks"><small>(<a href="/wiki/Talk:Dudul_Dorje,_13th_Karmapa_Lama" title="Talk:Dudul Dorje, 13th Karmapa Lama">talk</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dudul_Dorje,_13th_Karmapa_Lama&action=edit">edit</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dudul_Dorje,_13th_Karmapa_Lama&action=history">hist</a>)</small></span> is requested to be moved to <a href="/wiki/13th_Karmapa,_Dudul_Dorje" class="mw-redirect" title="13th Karmapa, Dudul Dorje">13th Karmapa, Dudul Dorje</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hey_man_im_josh" title="Special:Contributions/Hey man im josh">c</a>)</small>; see <a href="/wiki/Talk:D%C3%BCsum_Khyenpa,_1st_Karmapa_Lama#Requested_move_22_November_2024" title="Talk:Düsum Khyenpa, 1st Karmapa Lama">discussion</a></li> <li>22 Nov 2024 – <b><a href="/wiki/D%C3%BCsum_Khyenpa,_1st_Karmapa_Lama" title="Düsum Khyenpa, 1st Karmapa Lama">Düsum Khyenpa, 1st Karmapa Lama</a></b> <span class="plainlinks"><small>(<a href="/wiki/Talk:D%C3%BCsum_Khyenpa,_1st_Karmapa_Lama" title="Talk:Düsum Khyenpa, 1st Karmapa Lama">talk</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=D%C3%BCsum_Khyenpa,_1st_Karmapa_Lama&action=edit">edit</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=D%C3%BCsum_Khyenpa,_1st_Karmapa_Lama&action=history">hist</a>)</small></span> is requested to be moved to <a href="/wiki/1st_Karmapa,_D%C3%BCsum_Khyenpa" class="mw-redirect" title="1st Karmapa, Düsum Khyenpa">1st Karmapa, Düsum Khyenpa</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hey_man_im_josh" title="Special:Contributions/Hey man im josh">c</a>)</small>; see <a href="/wiki/Talk:D%C3%BCsum_Khyenpa,_1st_Karmapa_Lama#Requested_move_22_November_2024" title="Talk:Düsum Khyenpa, 1st Karmapa Lama">discussion</a></li> <li>22 Nov 2024 – <b><a href="/wiki/Karma_Pakshi,_2nd_Karmapa_Lama" title="Karma Pakshi, 2nd Karmapa Lama">Karma Pakshi, 2nd Karmapa Lama</a></b> <span class="plainlinks"><small>(<a href="/wiki/Talk:Karma_Pakshi,_2nd_Karmapa_Lama" title="Talk:Karma Pakshi, 2nd Karmapa Lama">talk</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karma_Pakshi,_2nd_Karmapa_Lama&action=edit">edit</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karma_Pakshi,_2nd_Karmapa_Lama&action=history">hist</a>)</small></span> is requested to be moved to <a href="/wiki/2nd_Karmapa,_Karma_Pakshi" class="mw-redirect" title="2nd Karmapa, Karma Pakshi">2nd Karmapa, Karma Pakshi</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hey_man_im_josh" title="Special:Contributions/Hey man im josh">c</a>)</small>; see <a href="/wiki/Talk:D%C3%BCsum_Khyenpa,_1st_Karmapa_Lama#Requested_move_22_November_2024" title="Talk:Düsum Khyenpa, 1st Karmapa Lama">discussion</a></li> <li>22 Nov 2024 – <b><a href="/wiki/Khakyab_Dorje,_15th_Karmapa_Lama" title="Khakyab Dorje, 15th Karmapa Lama">Khakyab Dorje, 15th Karmapa Lama</a></b> <span class="plainlinks"><small>(<a href="/wiki/Talk:Khakyab_Dorje,_15th_Karmapa_Lama" title="Talk:Khakyab Dorje, 15th Karmapa Lama">talk</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Khakyab_Dorje,_15th_Karmapa_Lama&action=edit">edit</a> · <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Khakyab_Dorje,_15th_Karmapa_Lama&action=history">hist</a>)</small></span> is requested to be moved to <a href="/wiki/15th_Karmapa,_Khakyab_Dorje" class="mw-redirect" title="15th Karmapa, Khakyab Dorje">15th Karmapa, Khakyab Dorje</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hey_man_im_josh" title="Special:Contributions/Hey man im josh">c</a>)</small>; see <a href="/wiki/Talk:D%C3%BCsum_Khyenpa,_1st_Karmapa_Lama#Requested_move_22_November_2024" title="Talk:Düsum Khyenpa, 1st Karmapa Lama">discussion</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>(<i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Article_alerts/Requested_moves#RM" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts/Requested moves">97 more</a>...</i>)</dd></dl> <p><span class="anchor" id="AAend"></span> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="MOS_and_extent_of_coverage_about_family_members" data-mw-thread-id="h-MOS_and_extent_of_coverage_about_family_members-20241010204800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-MOS_and_extent_of_coverage_about_family_members-20241010204800"></span>MOS and extent of coverage about family members<span data-mw-comment-end="h-MOS_and_extent_of_coverage_about_family_members-20241010204800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: MOS and extent of coverage about family members"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241010204800-MOS_and_extent_of_coverage_about_family_members"></span>There is currently a disagreement over the extent of coverage about family tree in the lede in an individual's page <a href="/wiki/Talk:Jack_Schlossberg#NPOV_and_due_weight_issues" title="Talk:Jack Schlossberg">Talk:Jack_Schlossberg#NPOV_and_due_weight_issues</a>. I have checked several random biography pages listed as Good Article and didn't come across articles covering family like this in the lede. The edit in disagreement is <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1249973757" title="Special:Diff/1249973757">Special:Diff/1249973757</a>. In biography articles about individuals, is it customary to go over family pedigree like this in the lede section? <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls" title="User talk:Graywalls">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Graywalls-20241010204800-MOS_and_extent_of_coverage_about_family_members" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241010204800-MOS_and_extent_of_coverage_about_family_members"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241010204800-MOS_and_extent_of_coverage_about_family_members"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Good_article_reassessment_for_Joan_Crawford" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Joan_Crawford-20241012025800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Joan_Crawford-20241012025800"></span>Good article reassessment for <a href="/wiki/Joan_Crawford" title="Joan Crawford">Joan Crawford</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Joan_Crawford-20241012025800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Good article reassessment for Joan Crawford"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Joan_Crawford" title="Joan Crawford"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Z1720-20241012025800-Good_article_reassessment_for_Joan_Crawford"></span>Joan Crawford</a> has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Joan_Crawford/1" title="Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Joan Crawford/1">reassessment page</a>. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Z1720" title="User:Z1720">Z1720</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z1720" title="User talk:Z1720">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Z1720-20241012025800-Good_article_reassessment_for_Joan_Crawford" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:58, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z1720-20241012025800-Good_article_reassessment_for_Joan_Crawford"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z1720-20241012025800-Good_article_reassessment_for_Joan_Crawford"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dear_Rabbi_Ginsberg,_I_received_your_cake_of_blessing_for_a_good_year._I_am_lighting_a_candle_for_your_New_Year_blessing._I_thank_you._I_believe_you_knew_my_father_Vendyl_Jones._Truth_is_a_hard_road_and_my_prayers_are_with_you." data-mw-thread-id="h-Dear_Rabbi_Ginsberg,_I_received_your_cake_of_blessing_for_a_good_year._I_am_ligh-20241012173000"><span id="Dear_Rabbi_Ginsberg.2C_I_received_your_cake_of_blessing_for_a_good_year._I_am_lighting_a_candle_for_your_New_Year_blessing._I_thank_you._I_believe_you_knew_my_father_Vendyl_Jones._Truth_is_a_hard_road_and_my_prayers_are_with_you."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dear_Rabbi_Ginsberg,_I_received_your_cake_of_blessing_for_a_good_year._I_am_ligh-20241012173000"></span>Dear Rabbi Ginsberg, I received your cake of blessing for a good year. I am lighting a candle for your New Year blessing. I thank you. I believe you knew my father Vendyl Jones. Truth is a hard road and my prayers are with you.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dear_Rabbi_Ginsberg,_I_received_your_cake_of_blessing_for_a_good_year._I_am_ligh-20241012173000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Dear Rabbi Ginsberg, I received your cake of blessing for a good year. I am lighting a candle for your New Year blessing. I thank you. I believe you knew my father Vendyl Jones. Truth is a hard road and my prayers are with you."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2A02:14F:1EC:5FAB:0:0:9B48:1249-20241012173000-Dear_Rabbi_Ginsberg,_I_received_your_cake_of_blessing_for_a_good_year._I_am_ligh"></span>Sarah Richardson A humble(within) servant of Hashem <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A02:14F:1EC:5FAB:0:0:9B48:1249" title="Special:Contributions/2A02:14F:1EC:5FAB:0:0:9B48:1249">2A02:14F:1EC:5FAB:0:0:9B48:1249</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2A02:14F:1EC:5FAB:0:0:9B48:1249&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2A02:14F:1EC:5FAB:0:0:9B48:1249 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a 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id="Article_for_Deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rina_Lipa" data-mw-thread-id="h-Article_for_Deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rina_Lipa-20241012231800"><span id="Article_for_Deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FRina_Lipa"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Article_for_Deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rina_Lipa-20241012231800"></span>Article for Deletion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rina_Lipa" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rina Lipa">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rina Lipa</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Article_for_Deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rina_Lipa-20241012231800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Article for Deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rina Lipa"><span>edit</span></a><span 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href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rina_Lipa" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rina Lipa">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rina Lipa</a> that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. <a href="/wiki/User:Ckfasdf" title="User:Ckfasdf">Ckfasdf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ckfasdf" title="User talk:Ckfasdf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Ckfasdf-20241012231800-Article_for_Deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rina_Lipa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ckfasdf-20241012231800-Article_for_Deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rina_Lipa"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ckfasdf-20241012231800-Article_for_Deletion_at_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rina_Lipa"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="UK_nationalities" data-mw-thread-id="h-UK_nationalities-20241013084200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-UK_nationalities-20241013084200"></span>UK nationalities<span data-mw-comment-end="h-UK_nationalities-20241013084200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: UK nationalities"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-10mmsocket-20241013084200-UK_nationalities"></span>Can someone point me to the bit of guidance around how you describe the nationality of someone from the United Kingdom or one of its component countries i.e. British vs. English vs. Scottish vs. Welsh? I know it exists I'm just struggling to find it. Thanks in advance. <a href="/wiki/User:10mmsocket" title="User:10mmsocket">10mmsocket</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:10mmsocket" title="User talk:10mmsocket">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-10mmsocket-20241013084200-UK_nationalities" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-10mmsocket-20241013084200-UK_nationalities"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-10mmsocket-20241013084200-UK_nationalities"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DankJae-20241116210200-10mmsocket-20241013084200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:10mmsocket" title="User:10mmsocket">10mmsocket</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UKNATIONALS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UKNATIONALS">WP:UKNATIONALS</a> essay is the only one that comes to mind, while not formal guideline/policy, clears a bit. The modern use section can be summed up as; find the most common nationality of a subject (noting some non-UK sources may be incorrect), if that fails, find the subject's self-preference. Of course any dispute may be raised at a subject's talk page. <b><a href="/wiki/User:DankJae" title="User:DankJae"><span style="color: black">Dank</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DankJae" title="User talk:DankJae"><span style="color: red">Jae</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-DankJae-20241116210200-10mmsocket-20241013084200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DankJae-20241116210200-10mmsocket-20241013084200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DankJae-20241116210200-10mmsocket-20241013084200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnbod-20241117040600-10mmsocket-20241013084200"></span>If <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> touching on the subject cannot be found, play safe & use "British". If a solid "subject's self-preference" can be found, that trumps almost all other sources. But it cannot always be assumed that someone eg born in <a href="/wiki/Cardiff" title="Cardiff">Cardiff</a> thinks of themselves as Welsh. British ethnic minorities often choose "British" to describe themselves, rather than a more specific identity. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnbod" title="User:Johnbod">Johnbod</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnbod" title="User talk:Johnbod">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Johnbod-20241117040600-10mmsocket-20241013084200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:06, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnbod-20241117040600-10mmsocket-20241013084200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnbod-20241117040600-10mmsocket-20241013084200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-10mmsocket-20241121210900-Johnbod-20241117040600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Johnbod" title="User:Johnbod">Johnbod</a> and @<a href="/wiki/User:DankJae" title="User:DankJae">DankJae</a>. Thanks both, that's really useful. <a href="/wiki/User:10mmsocket" title="User:10mmsocket">10mmsocket</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:10mmsocket" title="User talk:10mmsocket">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-10mmsocket-20241121210900-Johnbod-20241117040600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-10mmsocket-20241121210900-Johnbod-20241117040600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-10mmsocket-20241121210900-Johnbod-20241117040600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Good_article_reassessment_for_Kekal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Kekal-20241013152800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Kekal-20241013152800"></span>Good article reassessment for <a href="/wiki/Kekal" title="Kekal">Kekal</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Kekal-20241013152800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Good article reassessment for Kekal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Kekal" title="Kekal"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Z1720-20241013152800-Good_article_reassessment_for_Kekal"></span>Kekal</a> has been nominated for a good article reassessment. 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If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Z1720" title="User:Z1720">Z1720</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z1720" title="User talk:Z1720">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Z1720-20241013153500-Good_article_reassessment_for_Kelvin_Tan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z1720-20241013153500-Good_article_reassessment_for_Kelvin_Tan"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z1720-20241013153500-Good_article_reassessment_for_Kelvin_Tan"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Good_article_reassessment_for_Matt_Byrne" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Matt_Byrne-20241013154400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Matt_Byrne-20241013154400"></span>Good article reassessment for <a href="/wiki/Matt_Byrne" title="Matt Byrne">Matt Byrne</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Matt_Byrne-20241013154400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Good article reassessment for Matt Byrne"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Matt_Byrne" title="Matt Byrne"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Z1720-20241013154400-Good_article_reassessment_for_Matt_Byrne"></span>Matt Byrne</a> has been nominated for a good article reassessment. 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If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Z1720" title="User:Z1720">Z1720</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z1720" title="User talk:Z1720">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Z1720-20241013154400-Good_article_reassessment_for_Matt_Byrne" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z1720-20241013154400-Good_article_reassessment_for_Matt_Byrne"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z1720-20241013154400-Good_article_reassessment_for_Matt_Byrne"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="David_Lammy" data-mw-thread-id="h-David_Lammy-20241015142700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-David_Lammy-20241015142700"></span><a href="/wiki/David_Lammy" title="David Lammy">David Lammy</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-David_Lammy-20241015142700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: David Lammy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TarnishedPath-20241015142700-David_Lammy"></span>There is a current RFC at <a href="/wiki/Talk:David_Lammy#RfC:_First_sentence" title="Talk:David Lammy">Talk:David Lammy#RfC: First sentence</a> which is discussing how the subject should be described. Editors are invited to participate. <i><a href="/wiki/User:TarnishedPath" title="User:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b></a></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TarnishedPath" title="User talk:TarnishedPath"><b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-TarnishedPath-20241015142700-David_Lammy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TarnishedPath-20241015142700-David_Lammy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TarnishedPath-20241015142700-David_Lammy"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Good_article_reassessment_for_Ahmad_Hasan_Dani" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Ahmad_Hasan_Dani-20241016025900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Ahmad_Hasan_Dani-20241016025900"></span>Good article reassessment for <a href="/wiki/Ahmad_Hasan_Dani" title="Ahmad Hasan Dani">Ahmad Hasan Dani</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Ahmad_Hasan_Dani-20241016025900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Good article reassessment for Ahmad Hasan Dani"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Ahmad_Hasan_Dani" title="Ahmad Hasan Dani"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Z1720-20241016025900-Good_article_reassessment_for_Ahmad_Hasan_Dani"></span>Ahmad Hasan Dani</a> has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Ahmad_Hasan_Dani/1" title="Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Ahmad Hasan Dani/1">reassessment page</a>. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Z1720" title="User:Z1720">Z1720</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z1720" title="User talk:Z1720">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Z1720-20241016025900-Good_article_reassessment_for_Ahmad_Hasan_Dani" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z1720-20241016025900-Good_article_reassessment_for_Ahmad_Hasan_Dani"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z1720-20241016025900-Good_article_reassessment_for_Ahmad_Hasan_Dani"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_for_Assistance_with_Article_on_Mohiuddin_Ahmed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_Assistance_with_Article_on_Mohiuddin_Ahmed"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_Assistance_with_Article_on_Mohiuddin_Ahmed"></span>Request for Assistance with Article on Mohiuddin Ahmed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_Assistance_with_Article_on_Mohiuddin_Ahmed"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Request for Assistance with Article on Mohiuddin Ahmed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_for_Assistance_with_Article_on_Mohiuddin_Ahmed_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_Assistance_with_Article_on_Mohiuddin_Ahmed_2-20241016163200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_Assistance_with_Article_on_Mohiuddin_Ahmed_2-20241016163200"></span>Request for Assistance with Article on Mohiuddin Ahmed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_Assistance_with_Article_on_Mohiuddin_Ahmed_2-20241016163200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Request for Assistance with Article on Mohiuddin Ahmed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-J1477-20241016163200-Request_for_Assistance_with_Article_on_Mohiuddin_Ahmed_2"></span>Hello WikiProject members, </p><p>I am seeking assistance in improving the article on <b>Mohiuddin Ahmed</b>, a key figure in the Bangladesh Liberation War and a former senior diplomat. The article is currently facing a deletion discussion, and I would greatly appreciate your guidance to ensure it meets Wikipedia's standards. Below are some links to credible sources where Mohiuddin Ahmed's contributions have been highlighted: </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.dhakatribune.com/opinion/op-ed/273040/mohiuddin-ahmed-that-spirit-of-trafalgar-square">Mohiuddin Ahmed: That Spirit of Trafalgar Square</a>: This article reflects on Mohiuddin Ahmed’s defection at Trafalgar Square during the Liberation War and his role in mobilizing the international community. </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/mohiuddin-ahmed-first-diplomat-in-europe-to-pledge-allegiance-to-bangladesh-in-1971-dies-aged-80">Mohiuddin Ahmed, first diplomat in Europe to pledge allegiance to Bangladesh in 1971, dies aged 80</a>: Coverage of Mohiuddin Ahmed’s defection and legacy as a diplomat. </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/289718/ex-secretary-mohiuddin-ahmed-dies">Ex-secretary Mohiuddin Ahmed dies</a>: Dhaka Tribune article on his death, mentioning his extensive diplomatic career and his significant contributions to Bangladesh’s foreign service. </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.newagebd.net/article/173854/eminent-diplomat-mohiuddin-ahmed-dies">Eminent diplomat Mohiuddin Ahmed dies</a>: This article in New Age discusses his defection and his later contributions as a diplomat. </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://viewsbangladesh.com/en/fearless-diplomat-mohiuddin-ahmad/">Fearless Diplomat Mohiuddin Ahmed</a>: A tribute to Mohiuddin Ahmed, covering his role as a freedom fighter and diplomat. </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.tbsnews.net/bangladesh/ex-secretary-mohiuddin-ahmed-no-more-443650">Mohiuddin Ahmed no more</a>: This article in The Business Standard highlights his career, mentioning his service in various key diplomatic roles across the globe. </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.bssnews.net/news/67621">Foreign Minister AK Abdul Momen mourns passing of Mohiuddin Ahmed</a>: This article includes statements from Bangladesh’s foreign minister, recognizing Mohiuddin Ahmed’s contributions to the nation. </p><p>These links highlight his pivotal role in the Bangladesh Liberation War and his post-war diplomatic career. I would appreciate any help with reviewing the article to ensure it meets Wikipedia’s standards for notability and verifiability. </p><p>Thank you for your time, and I look forward to your assistance. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:J1477&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:J1477 (page does not exist)">J1477</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J1477" title="User talk:J1477">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-J1477-20241016163200-Request_for_Assistance_with_Article_on_Mohiuddin_Ahmed_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-J1477-20241016163200-Request_for_Assistance_with_Article_on_Mohiuddin_Ahmed_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-J1477-20241016163200-Request_for_Assistance_with_Article_on_Mohiuddin_Ahmed_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Saqib-20241016175600-J1477-20241016163200"></span>This COI user has been blocked for WP:FORUMSHOP.<span id="Saqib:1729101402400:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNWikiProject_Biography" class="FTTCmt"> — <a href="/wiki/User:Saqib" title="User:Saqib"><span style="color:blue"><b>Saqib</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Saqib" title="User talk:Saqib"><span style="color:#3266CC">talk</span></a> I <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Saqib" title="Special:Contributions/Saqib"><span style="color:#3266CC">contribs</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Saqib-20241016175600-J1477-20241016163200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Saqib-20241016175600-J1477-20241016163200"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Saqib-20241016175600-J1477-20241016163200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_move_at_Talk:John_Reilly_(actor,_born_1934)#Requested_move_7_October_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:John_Reilly_(actor,_born_1934)#Requested_move_7_October_2-20241021151500"><span id="Requested_move_at_Talk:John_Reilly_.28actor.2C_born_1934.29.23Requested_move_7_October_2024"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:John_Reilly_(actor,_born_1934)#Requested_move_7_October_2-20241021151500"></span>Requested move at <a href="/wiki/Talk:John_Reilly_(actor,_born_1934)#Requested_move_7_October_2024" title="Talk:John Reilly (actor, born 1934)">Talk:John Reilly (actor, born 1934)#Requested move 7 October 2024</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:John_Reilly_(actor,_born_1934)#Requested_move_7_October_2-20241021151500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Requested move at Talk:John Reilly (actor, born 1934)#Requested move 7 October 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alpha3031-20241021151500-Requested_move_at_Talk:John_Reilly_(actor,_born_1934)#Requested_move_7_October_2"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/30px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/45px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/60px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> There is a requested move discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:John_Reilly_(actor,_born_1934)#Requested_move_7_October_2024" title="Talk:John Reilly (actor, born 1934)">Talk:John Reilly (actor, born 1934)#Requested move 7 October 2024</a> that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. <a href="/wiki/User:Alpha3031" title="User:Alpha3031">Alpha3031</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alpha3031" title="User talk:Alpha3031">t</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alpha3031" title="Special:Contributions/Alpha3031">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Alpha3031-20241021151500-Requested_move_at_Talk:John_Reilly_(actor,_born_1934)#Requested_move_7_October_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alpha3031-20241021151500-Requested_move_at_Talk:John_Reilly_(actor,_born_1934)#Requested_move_7_October_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/60px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> There is a requested move discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Juan_Fageda#Requested_move_5_October_2024" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Juan Fageda">Talk:Juan Fageda#Requested move 5 October 2024</a> that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Reading_Beans" title="User talk:Reading Beans"><span style="color:#333"><b>Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia</b></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Reading_Beans-20241022065700-Requested_move_at_Talk:Juan_Fageda#Requested_move_5_October_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Reading_Beans-20241022065700-Requested_move_at_Talk:Juan_Fageda#Requested_move_5_October_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Reading_Beans-20241022065700-Requested_move_at_Talk:Juan_Fageda#Requested_move_5_October_2024"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Drawings_in_place_of_photos" data-mw-thread-id="h-Drawings_in_place_of_photos-20241024100100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Drawings_in_place_of_photos-20241024100100"></span>Drawings in place of photos<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Drawings_in_place_of_photos-20241024100100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Drawings in place of photos"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mika1h-20241024100100-Drawings_in_place_of_photos"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Grace_E._Pickford" title="Grace E. Pickford">Grace E. Pickford</a>, and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vonda_N._McIntyre&oldid=1233407630">Vonda N. McIntyre</a> (before I removed it). I get it, there's no photo of these people but are these drawings really okay to use. If it was an approved drawing by the article's subject or otherwise well-known drawing, or by a famous artist but this is just someone drew it and uploaded it to Commons. <a href="/wiki/User:Mika1h" title="User:Mika1h">Mika1h</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mika1h" title="User talk:Mika1h">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Mika1h-20241024100100-Drawings_in_place_of_photos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mika1h-20241024100100-Drawings_in_place_of_photos"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mika1h-20241024100100-Drawings_in_place_of_photos"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Slatersteven-20241024103700-Mika1h-20241024100100"></span>THese look like fairground characatures, no they are not OK, find better pictures. <a href="/wiki/User:Slatersteven" title="User:Slatersteven">Slatersteven</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Slatersteven" title="User talk:Slatersteven">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Slatersteven-20241024103700-Mika1h-20241024100100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Slatersteven-20241024103700-Mika1h-20241024100100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Slatersteven-20241024103700-Mika1h-20241024100100"></span></dd></dl> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://oiss.yale.edu/women-at-yale-50-150/grace-evelyn-pickford-united-kingdom"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Slatersteven-20241024103900-Drawings_in_place_of_photos"></span>https://oiss.yale.edu/women-at-yale-50-150/grace-evelyn-pickford-united-kingdom</a> </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/05/obituaries/vonda-n-mcintyre-dead.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/05/obituaries/vonda-n-mcintyre-dead.html</a> </p><p>Did not even take long. <a href="/wiki/User:Slatersteven" title="User:Slatersteven">Slatersteven</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Slatersteven" title="User talk:Slatersteven">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Slatersteven-20241024103900-Drawings_in_place_of_photos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:39, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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href="/wiki/Talk:Christine_and_the_Queens#Requested_move_26_October_2024" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Christine and the Queens">Talk:Christine and the Queens#Requested move 26 October 2024</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:Christine_and_the_Queens#Requested_move_26_October_2024-20241026004400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Requested move at Talk:Christine and the Queens#Requested move 26 October 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" 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ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Women_in_Red_November_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Women_in_Red_November_2024-20241029204400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Women_in_Red_November_2024-20241029204400"></span>Women in Red November 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Women_in_Red_November_2024-20241029204400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Women in Red November 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border: 5px solid #ABCDEF ; background-color: #FFFFFF;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="padding: 0; vertical-align: 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events:</b> </p> <ul><li><i>New</i>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/321" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/321">Asian women</a> <big>|</big> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/322" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/322">Geofocus: Islands Q-Z </a> <big>|</big> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/323" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/323">Women in engineering</a></li></ul> <ul><li><i>Continuing</i>: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/293" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/293">#1day1woman</a> <big>|</big> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/294" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/294">Education</a> <small>(year-long initiative)</small></li></ul> <p><b>Announcements from other communities</b> </p> <ul><li>Annual <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Asian_Month_2024">Wikipedia Asian Month (WAM)</a> is an online campaign designed to boost <br/>Asian content on Wikipedia each November.</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/November_2024" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/November 2024">Unreferenced articles backlog drive</a>. These Wikiproject clean-up lists offer a start <br/>to November's backlog drive, e.g. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Women%27s_History.html#Cites%20no%20sources">Women's History</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Women_writers2.html#Cites%20no%20sources">Women writers</a></li></ul> <p><b>Tip of the month:</b> </p> <ul><li><i>Looking for an image? Sometimes you can find openly licensed images at <br/><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://search.creativecommons.org/">search.creativecommons.org/</a></i></li></ul> <p><b>Other ways to participate:</b> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/New_members" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/New members">Become a member</a>. 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If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Andrew_Fisher/1" title="Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Andrew Fisher/1">reassessment page</a>. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Z1720" title="User:Z1720">Z1720</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z1720" title="User talk:Z1720">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Z1720-20241031124900-Good_article_reassessment_for_Andrew_Fisher" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z1720-20241031124900-Good_article_reassessment_for_Andrew_Fisher"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z1720-20241031124900-Good_article_reassessment_for_Andrew_Fisher"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_move_at_Talk:Abigail_Williams#Requested_move_23_October_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:Abigail_Williams#Requested_move_23_October_2024-20241031195500"><span id="Requested_move_at_Talk:Abigail_Williams.23Requested_move_23_October_2024"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:Abigail_Williams#Requested_move_23_October_2024-20241031195500"></span>Requested move at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Abigail_Williams#Requested_move_23_October_2024" title="Talk:Abigail Williams">Talk:Abigail Williams#Requested move 23 October 2024</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:Abigail_Williams#Requested_move_23_October_2024-20241031195500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Requested move at Talk:Abigail Williams#Requested move 23 October 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<a href="/wiki/Talk:Abigail_Williams#Requested_move_23_October_2024" title="Talk:Abigail Williams">Talk:Abigail Williams#Requested move 23 October 2024</a> that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. <a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Raladic" title="User talk:Raladic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Raladic-20241031195500-Requested_move_at_Talk:Abigail_Williams#Requested_move_23_October_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raladic-20241031195500-Requested_move_at_Talk:Abigail_Williams#Requested_move_23_October_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Raladic-20241031195500-Requested_move_at_Talk:Abigail_Williams#Requested_move_23_October_2024"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Good_article_reassessment_for_Vyacheslav_Molotov" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Vyacheslav_Molotov-20241102131600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Vyacheslav_Molotov-20241102131600"></span>Good article reassessment for <a href="/wiki/Vyacheslav_Molotov" title="Vyacheslav Molotov">Vyacheslav Molotov</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Vyacheslav_Molotov-20241102131600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Good article reassessment for Vyacheslav Molotov"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Vyacheslav_Molotov" title="Vyacheslav Molotov"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Z1720-20241102131600-Good_article_reassessment_for_Vyacheslav_Molotov"></span>Vyacheslav Molotov</a> has been nominated for a good article reassessment. 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If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Z1720" title="User:Z1720">Z1720</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z1720" title="User talk:Z1720">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Z1720-20241102131600-Good_article_reassessment_for_Vyacheslav_Molotov" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z1720-20241102131600-Good_article_reassessment_for_Vyacheslav_Molotov"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z1720-20241102131600-Good_article_reassessment_for_Vyacheslav_Molotov"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Roberson_case#Requested_move_26_October_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Roberson_case#Requested_move_26_October_2024-20241102175400"><span id="Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Roberson_case.23Requested_move_26_October_2024"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Roberson_case#Requested_move_26_October_2024-20241102175400"></span>Requested move at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Robert_Roberson_case#Requested_move_26_October_2024" title="Talk:Robert Roberson case">Talk:Robert Roberson case#Requested move 26 October 2024</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Roberson_case#Requested_move_26_October_2024-20241102175400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Requested move at Talk:Robert Roberson case#Requested move 26 October 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Raladic-20241102175400-Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Roberson_case#Requested_move_26_October_2024"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/30px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/45px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/60px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> There is a requested move discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Robert_Roberson_case#Requested_move_26_October_2024" title="Talk:Robert Roberson case">Talk:Robert Roberson case#Requested move 26 October 2024</a> that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. <a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Raladic" title="User talk:Raladic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Raladic-20241102175400-Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Roberson_case#Requested_move_26_October_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raladic-20241102175400-Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Roberson_case#Requested_move_26_October_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Z1720" title="User:Z1720">Z1720</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z1720" title="User talk:Z1720">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Z1720-20241103134300-Good_article_reassessment_for_Amon_Tobin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z1720-20241103134300-Good_article_reassessment_for_Amon_Tobin"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z1720-20241103134300-Good_article_reassessment_for_Amon_Tobin"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Good_article_reassessment_for_John_D._Rockefeller" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_John_D._Rockefeller-20241103140700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_John_D._Rockefeller-20241103140700"></span>Good article reassessment for <a href="/wiki/John_D._Rockefeller" title="John D. Rockefeller">John D. Rockefeller</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_John_D._Rockefeller-20241103140700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Good article reassessment for John D. Rockefeller"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/John_D._Rockefeller" title="John D. Rockefeller"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Z1720-20241103140700-Good_article_reassessment_for_John_D._Rockefeller"></span>John D. Rockefeller</a> has been nominated for a good article reassessment. 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If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Z1720" title="User:Z1720">Z1720</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z1720" title="User talk:Z1720">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Z1720-20241106163000-Good_article_reassessment_for_Aneurin_Bevan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z1720-20241106163000-Good_article_reassessment_for_Aneurin_Bevan"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z1720-20241106163000-Good_article_reassessment_for_Aneurin_Bevan"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Good_article_reassessment_for_Haile_Selassie" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Haile_Selassie-20241106163600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Haile_Selassie-20241106163600"></span>Good article reassessment for <a href="/wiki/Haile_Selassie" title="Haile Selassie">Haile Selassie</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Haile_Selassie-20241106163600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Good article reassessment for Haile Selassie"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Haile_Selassie" title="Haile Selassie"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Z1720-20241106163600-Good_article_reassessment_for_Haile_Selassie"></span>Haile Selassie</a> has been nominated for a good article reassessment. 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If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Z1720" title="User:Z1720">Z1720</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Z1720" title="User talk:Z1720">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Z1720-20241106163600-Good_article_reassessment_for_Haile_Selassie" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Z1720-20241106163600-Good_article_reassessment_for_Haile_Selassie"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Z1720-20241106163600-Good_article_reassessment_for_Haile_Selassie"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Do_WP:BIO_guidelines_exist?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Do_WP:BIO_guidelines_exist?-20241107180900"><span id="Do_WP:BIO_guidelines_exist.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Do_WP:BIO_guidelines_exist?-20241107180900"></span>Do WP:BIO guidelines exist?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Do_WP:BIO_guidelines_exist?-20241107180900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Do WP:BIO guidelines exist?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusanLesch-20241107180900-Do_WP:BIO_guidelines_exist?"></span>Hi. Can someone tell me if WikiProject Biography has any guidelines? (I come from a city article that has clear guidelines at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:USCITIES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:USCITIES">WP:USCITIES</a>.) </p><p>Today I looked at the <a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump" title="Donald Trump">Donald Trump</a> article and was dismayed to find his §<a href="/wiki/Donald_Trump#Personal_life" title="Donald Trump">Personal life</a> featured first. That seems a tad disrespectful. I realize that article has seen extended controversy and so I don't want to rock the boat there, and decided to ask you instead. </p><p>I have read much of the archives on "Personal life" and can see individuals arguing on and on. The biographies I've written always start with §Early life, and sometimes §Early life and family or §Early life, family, and education. Your assessment section offers <a href="/wiki/Mary_Shelley" title="Mary Shelley">Mary Shelley</a> as exemplar for a featured article. The <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mary_Shelley&oldid=886144136">linked version</a> there begins with §Biography (to which I object). But then I looked at the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mary_Shelley&oldid=1252575448">live version</a> which has been fixed to start §Life and career. </p><p>Might I suggest that some guideline would help? <a href="/wiki/MOS:BIO" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:BIO">MOS:BIO</a> is a good start but doesn't ever get past nomenclature. -<a href="/wiki/User:SusanLesch" title="User:SusanLesch">SusanLesch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusanLesch" title="User talk:SusanLesch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-SusanLesch-20241107180900-Do_WP:BIO_guidelines_exist?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:09, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusanLesch-20241107180900-Do_WP:BIO_guidelines_exist?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusanLesch-20241107180900-Do_WP:BIO_guidelines_exist?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SusanLesch-20241114231800-SusanLesch-20241107180900"></span>After a week, withdrawing the question. Thanks. -<a href="/wiki/User:SusanLesch" title="User:SusanLesch">SusanLesch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SusanLesch" title="User talk:SusanLesch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-SusanLesch-20241114231800-SusanLesch-20241107180900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SusanLesch-20241114231800-SusanLesch-20241107180900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SusanLesch-20241114231800-SusanLesch-20241107180900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RFC_Notice:_Should_grey_literature_from_advocacy_groups_and_other_similar_orgs_always_be_considered_WP:SPS_and_therefore_subject_to_WP:BLPSPS?" data-mw-thread-id="h-RFC_Notice:_Should_grey_literature_from_advocacy_groups_and_other_similar_orgs_a-20241110025400"><span id="RFC_Notice:_Should_grey_literature_from_advocacy_groups_and_other_similar_orgs_always_be_considered_WP:SPS_and_therefore_subject_to_WP:BLPSPS.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RFC_Notice:_Should_grey_literature_from_advocacy_groups_and_other_similar_orgs_a-20241110025400"></span>RFC Notice: Should grey literature from advocacy groups and other similar orgs always be considered WP:SPS and therefore subject to WP:BLPSPS?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RFC_Notice:_Should_grey_literature_from_advocacy_groups_and_other_similar_orgs_a-20241110025400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: RFC Notice: Should grey literature from advocacy groups and other similar orgs always be considered WP:SPS and therefore subject to WP:BLPSPS?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241110025400-RFC_Notice:_Should_grey_literature_from_advocacy_groups_and_other_similar_orgs_a"></span>See here: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RFC:_Should_grey_literature_from_advocacy_groups_and_other_similar_orgs_always_be_considered_WP:SPS_and_therefore_subject_to_WP:BLPSPS?" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard"> RFC: Should grey literature from advocacy groups and other similar orgs always be considered WP:SPS and therefore subject to WP:BLPSPS?</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Bluethricecreamman" title="User:Bluethricecreamman">Bluethricecreamman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluethricecreamman" title="User talk:Bluethricecreamman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Bluethricecreamman-20241110025400-RFC_Notice:_Should_grey_literature_from_advocacy_groups_and_other_similar_orgs_a" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:54, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241110025400-RFC_Notice:_Should_grey_literature_from_advocacy_groups_and_other_similar_orgs_a"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bluethricecreamman-20241110025400-RFC_Notice:_Should_grey_literature_from_advocacy_groups_and_other_similar_orgs_a"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FactOrOpinion-20241110193200-Bluethricecreamman-20241110025400"></span>Note that this RfC has now been moved to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Grey_Literature" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Grey Literature">Requests for comment/Grey Literature</a> <a href="/wiki/User:FactOrOpinion" title="User:FactOrOpinion">FactOrOpinion</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FactOrOpinion" title="User talk:FactOrOpinion">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-FactOrOpinion-20241110193200-Bluethricecreamman-20241110025400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FactOrOpinion-20241110193200-Bluethricecreamman-20241110025400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FactOrOpinion-20241110193200-Bluethricecreamman-20241110025400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Miller_(businessman)#Requested_move_2_November_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Miller_(businessman)#Requested_move_2_November_202-20241110193800"><span id="Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Miller_.28businessman.29.23Requested_move_2_November_2024"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Miller_(businessman)#Requested_move_2_November_202-20241110193800"></span>Requested move at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Robert_Miller_(businessman)#Requested_move_2_November_2024" title="Talk:Robert Miller (businessman)">Talk:Robert Miller (businessman)#Requested move 2 November 2024</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Miller_(businessman)#Requested_move_2_November_202-20241110193800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Requested move at Talk:Robert Miller (businessman)#Requested move 2 November 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Raladic-20241110193800-Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Miller_(businessman)#Requested_move_2_November_202"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/30px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/45px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/60px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> There is a requested move discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Robert_Miller_(businessman)#Requested_move_2_November_2024" title="Talk:Robert Miller (businessman)">Talk:Robert Miller (businessman)#Requested move 2 November 2024</a> that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. <a href="/wiki/User:Raladic" title="User:Raladic">Raladic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Raladic" title="User talk:Raladic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Raladic-20241110193800-Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Miller_(businessman)#Requested_move_2_November_202" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raladic-20241110193800-Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Miller_(businessman)#Requested_move_2_November_202"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Raladic-20241110193800-Requested_move_at_Talk:Robert_Miller_(businessman)#Requested_move_2_November_202"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Consensus/standard_for_birth_place?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Consensus/standard_for_birth_place?-20241112023800"><span id="Consensus.2Fstandard_for_birth_place.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Consensus/standard_for_birth_place?-20241112023800"></span>Consensus/standard for birth_place?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Consensus/standard_for_birth_place?-20241112023800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Consensus/standard for birth_place?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnjbarton-20241112023800-Consensus/standard_for_birth_place?"></span>Biographies like <a href="/wiki/Phillip_Lenard" class="mw-redirect" title="Phillip Lenard">Phillip Lenard</a> use <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_scientist" title="Template:Infobox scientist">Infobox scientist</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> which calls for parameter birth_place. When the name has changed, editors seem compelled to alter the name many possible permutations of the old and new name. I would like to know if there is a consensus here on at least which, old or modern should go first? According to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Use_modern_names" title="Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)">Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Use_modern_names</a> it seems the modern one should be first. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnjbarton" title="User:Johnjbarton">Johnjbarton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnjbarton" title="User talk:Johnjbarton">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Johnjbarton-20241112023800-Consensus/standard_for_birth_place?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnjbarton-20241112023800-Consensus/standard_for_birth_place?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnjbarton-20241112023800-Consensus/standard_for_birth_place?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NinjaRobotPirate-20241113041600-Johnjbarton-20241112023800"></span>Well, that guideline is mostly for the titles of articles about cities and countries. I would probably put any trivia in a note (using <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Efn" title="Template:Efn">efn</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>) or in the article body. The infobox doesn't need trivia. I guess I'd probably default to the place name at the time someone was born. That's what <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_person" title="Template:Infobox person">infobox person</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> says to do, and it's what high profile <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_articles" title="Wikipedia:Good articles">good articles</a> like <a href="/wiki/George_Washington" title="George Washington">George Washington</a> do. I don't think it really matters which way it goes, though. <a href="/wiki/User:NinjaRobotPirate" title="User:NinjaRobotPirate">NinjaRobotPirate</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NinjaRobotPirate" title="User talk:NinjaRobotPirate">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-NinjaRobotPirate-20241113041600-Johnjbarton-20241112023800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NinjaRobotPirate-20241113041600-Johnjbarton-20241112023800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NinjaRobotPirate-20241113041600-Johnjbarton-20241112023800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnjbarton-20241114235200-NinjaRobotPirate-20241113041600"></span>Personally I don't care one way or another, but the bio articles churn because different editors decide the old/new name should exist/not exist be first/not first. I was hoping for any single choice. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnjbarton" title="User:Johnjbarton">Johnjbarton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnjbarton" title="User talk:Johnjbarton">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#c-Johnjbarton-20241114235200-NinjaRobotPirate-20241113041600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnjbarton-20241114235200-NinjaRobotPirate-20241113041600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnjbarton-20241114235200-NinjaRobotPirate-20241113041600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Good_article_reassessment_for_Joseph_McCarthy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Joseph_McCarthy-20241114021200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Joseph_McCarthy-20241114021200"></span>Good article reassessment for <a href="/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy" title="Joseph McCarthy">Joseph McCarthy</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Joseph_McCarthy-20241114021200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Good article reassessment for Joseph McCarthy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy" title="Joseph McCarthy"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Z1720-20241114021200-Good_article_reassessment_for_Joseph_McCarthy"></span>Joseph McCarthy</a> has been nominated for a good article reassessment. 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