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It allows adding a reason in the summary.">undo</a></span></strong></div><div id="mw-diff-ntitle2"><a href="/wiki/User:Chamdarae" class="mw-userlink" title="User:Chamdarae" data-mw-revid="237656"><bdi>Chamdarae</bdi></a> <span class="mw-usertoollinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chamdarae" class="mw-usertoollinks-talk" title="User talk:Chamdarae">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chamdarae" class="mw-usertoollinks-contribs" title="Special:Contributions/Chamdarae">contribs</a>)</span><div class="mw-diff-usermetadata"><div class="mw-diff-userroles"></div><div class="mw-diff-usereditcount"><span>407</span> edits</div></div></div><div id="mw-diff-ntitle3"> <span class="comment comment--without-parentheses"><span class="autocomment"><a href="#Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)">→<bdi dir="ltr">Ripuarian (16 support; 2 oppose)</bdi></a>: </span> they gave clear reasons for their opposition, most people disagree with their views; move to approved?</span></div><div id="mw-diff-ntitle5"></div><div id="mw-diff-ntitle4"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian&diff=next&oldid=237656" title="Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Ripuarian" id="differences-nextlink">Newer edit →</a></div></td> </tr><tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 44:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 44:</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-deleted"><div>**[[User:TUF-KAT]]</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><div>**[[User:TUF-KAT]]</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-deleted"><div>*'''Summary of Oppose votes:'''</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><div>*'''Summary of Oppose votes:'''</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td class="diff-addedline diff-side-added"><div>**[[User:Raetius]]</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td> <td class="diff-deletedline diff-side-deleted"><div>**[[User:Raetius]] (stated no reasons for his viewpoint, apparently not active in other projects)</div></td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-added"></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td> <td class="diff-deletedline diff-side-deleted"><div>**[[User:Elian]]<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline"> (stated no reasons for his viewpoint)</del></div></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td class="diff-addedline diff-side-added"><div>**[[User:Elian]]</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-deleted"><br /></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-deleted"><div>;Discussion</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><div>;Discussion</div></td> </tr> </table><hr class='diff-hr' id='mw-oldid' /> <h2 class='diff-currentversion-title'>Revision as of 17:40, 17 November 2005</h2> <div class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="en" dir="ltr"><div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z"><span id="Ripuarian_.2816_support.3B_2_oppose.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z"></span>Ripuarian (16 support; 2 oppose)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z"></span></h4></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:New-language-template&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:New-language-template (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z-Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)"></span>Template:New-language-template</a> </p> <dl><dt>Comments</dt></dl> <ul><li><b>Summary of Support votes:</b> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Abzt&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Abzt (page does not exist)">User:Abzt</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Caesarion" title="User:Caesarion">User:Caesarion</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Purodha" title="User:Purodha">User:Purodha</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Dbach" title="User:Dbach">User:Dbach</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Melancholie" title="User:Melancholie">User:Melancholie</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Superbass" title="User:Superbass">User:Superbass</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Helesike" title="User:Helesike">User:Helesike</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Metacaesius" title="User:Metacaesius">User:Metacaesius</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Miss_van_der_Roehe&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Miss van der Roehe (page does not exist)">User:Miss van der Roehe</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Eijfis&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Eijfis (page does not exist)">User:eijfis</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Chamdarae" title="User:Chamdarae">User:Chamdarae</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rerox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rerox (page does not exist)">User:Rerox</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Leonce49&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Leonce49 (page does not exist)">User:Leonce49</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Node_ue" title="User:Node ue">User:Node ue</a></li> <li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nimix13&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nimix13 (page does not exist)">User:Nimix13</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:TUF-KAT" title="User:TUF-KAT">User:TUF-KAT</a></li></ul></li> <li><b>Summary of Oppose votes:</b> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Raetius&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Raetius (page does not exist)">User:Raetius</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:Elian" title="User:Elian">User:Elian</a></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><b>Support</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Caesarion" title="User:Caesarion">Caesarion</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caesarion" title="User talk:Caesarion"><small>Velim, non opto</small></a>. It's closely related to Limburgish and Luxemburgish and quite unique in character. I could contribute in the Kerkrade dialect. <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z-Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 1 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z-Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z-Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)"></span> <ul><li><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</s> This is not a language. Ripurian is one of numerous dialects that make up the German language. The German Wikipedia is so successful because speakers of every dialect contribute their knowledge using the written standard. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Arbeo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Arbeo (page does not exist)">Arbeo</a> 16:48, 2 September 2005 (UTC) I withdrew my vote today because I don't want to block anything that a very clear of my fellow editors wants. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Arbeo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Arbeo (page does not exist)">Arbeo</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 15 November 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dbach-2005-11-16T12:34:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z"></span>Thank you Arbeo. I very much appreciate that. <a href="/wiki/User:Dbach" title="User:Dbach">Dbach</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Dbach-2005-11-16T12:34:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:34, 16 November 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dbach-2005-11-16T12:34:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dbach-2005-11-16T12:34:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caesarion-2005-09-02T21:24:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z"></span>Wait a sec. You should explain to me why you support a Francoprovençal Wikipedia but oppose one in Ripuarian. Both France and Germany are home of many regional languages that were formerly unanimously called dialects but are now increasingly considered languages. Ripuarian is quite different from Standard German, since 1) old Germanic vowels developed quite differently in Ripuarian than they did in High Franconian (=German); 2) Ripuarian is Middle German, not High German, so it is by far not as much affected by the second Lautverschiebung as Standard German is (<i>so it is quite more distant from German than Bavarian is</i>) and 3) last but not least, it is a tonal language. Trust me, Ripuarian definitely <i>is</i> a separate language. If you oppose having a Ripuarian language you should immediately ask the developers to <i>close down the Limburgish and Alemannic Wikipedias</i>. Finally, having Wikipedias in several regional languages (I think, with Bavarian, Ripuarian and possibly High Saxon we've just done our jobs for Germany) should not distract too many users from the German Wikipedia, since they partly attract a different type of users, and may be a haven for all of them who lose their way in huge pedias like en: and de: and don't know what to write about anymore. <a href="/wiki/User:Caesarion" title="User:Caesarion">Caesarion</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caesarion" title="User talk:Caesarion"><small>Velim, non opto</small></a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Caesarion-2005-09-02T21:24:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 2 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caesarion-2005-09-02T21:24:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caesarion-2005-09-02T21:24:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arbeo-2005-09-04T20:56:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-02T21:24:00.000Z"></span>Hi Caesarion! At the end of the day, it's always a case by case decision, of course. But as a general rule of thumb I believe Wikipedias for dialects are to be avoided - and unlike you in this particular case I do consider Ripurian/Kölsch a dialect. This evaluation is, by the way, in line with what a clear majority of relevant scientists thinks about that idiom ("Ethnologue" is very useful but does nevertheless have a few systematic flaws here and there). I'm by no means against dialects or regional languages (as you can see on this page). In fact, I use one quite frequently. But I'm also convinced that if you set out to build a premium encyclopedia using a regional dialect is not the most beneficial option to achive that aim. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Arbeo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Arbeo (page does not exist)">Arbeo</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Arbeo-2005-09-04T20:56:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-02T21:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 4 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arbeo-2005-09-04T20:56:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-02T21:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arbeo-2005-09-04T20:56:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-02T21:24:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caesarion-2005-09-05T10:03:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z"></span>This case is quite similar to the Francoprovençal one above. Let's compare them: there is a flourishing French Wikipedia. France is linguistically divided in several regional languages, formerly called dialects. The French standard variety belongs to the oïl languages. The other main group is called oc languages and has had a Wikipedia for quite some time now (<a href="https://oc.wikipedia.org/wiki/" class="extiw" title="oc:">oc:</a>). Francoprovençal is really in between, and thus clearly qualifies as a separate language. Now: there is an even more flourishing German Wikipedia. Germany is linguistically divided in several regional languages, formerly called dialects. The German standard variety belongs to the High German languages. The other main group is called Low German and has had a Wikipedia for quite some time now (<a href="https://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/" class="extiw" title="nds:">nds:</a>). Ripuarian, being a Middle German variety, is really in between, and qualifies even more clearly as separate language. That we call the German variants dialects, not closely related languages, ensues from the presence of a very strong Standard language. If there hadn't been such a strong standard German, nobody would doubt the status of Bavarian, Alemannic and Ripuarian as separate languages, as little as they do for Hawaiian, Tahitian, Tuvaluan and Maori, just to name an example. <a href="/wiki/User:Caesarion" title="User:Caesarion">Caesarion</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caesarion" title="User talk:Caesarion"><small>Velim, non opto</small></a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Caesarion-2005-09-05T10:03:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:03, 5 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caesarion-2005-09-05T10:03:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caesarion-2005-09-05T10:03:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:18:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-05T10:03:00.000Z"></span>Practically everything you're writing is correct and nothing is new to me. Maybe one minor adjustment: dialects are still called dialects here (not "formerly"). Still, I can't think of a single benefit a Ripurian WP could present to anyone. It will always provide less content of inferior quality and be harder to read and even more difficult to write to every "Ripurian" than the standard German WP. But if some people want it anyway, <u>Wikicities</u> might be the right place. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Arbeo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Arbeo (page does not exist)">Arbeo</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:18:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-05T10:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 6 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:18:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-05T10:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:18:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-05T10:03:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caesarion-2005-09-07T10:14:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:18:00.000Z"></span>Hi Arbeo, it is of course correct that the varieties we are discussing now (mind: <i>varieties</i> is the best and most neutral term you can use in discussions like these :-)) are still broadly called dialects. I just wanted to say that they are no longer unanimously called so, since some people are calling them languages for linguistic reasons. And while a Ripuarian Wikipedia will indeed never get up with the German one both in quantity and quality, the very same goes for Sorbian and North Frisian - perhaps even more so, for they have much fewer speakers. And it seems to me untrue that a Ripuarian Wikipedia won't benefit anyone: It is always nice when you can consult information in your own native language or the language you cherish. And while many regional language (yet another more or less neutral term) speakers have difficulty with writing their own variety, the efforts to be done to write it are incomparable to those done before to read and write German: they can learn writing their dialect within a week, and pick it up fully by close reading within less than a month. And after all, they can consult de: or en: for some more detailed information, but that is exactly what we in the Netherlands do when nl: does not provide the information we want. <a href="/wiki/User:Caesarion" title="User:Caesarion">Caesarion</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caesarion" title="User talk:Caesarion"><small>Velim, non opto</small></a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Caesarion-2005-09-07T10:14:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:14, 7 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caesarion-2005-09-07T10:14:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caesarion-2005-09-07T10:14:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:18:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arbeo-2005-09-09T18:01:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-07T10:14:00.000Z"></span>Agreed with practically everything you're writing (once again!). However, a serious concern of mine is that once you start admitting regional language varieties on Wikipedia (apart from the few ones we already have) you're opening the door to a virtually unlimited number of regional and even local variants and sub-variants. While the number of languages in the world is not clearly definable but somewhat finite, the number of varieties and sub-varieties is downright infinite. Also in view of the Bavarian and Murcian discussions (and many more that are surely bound to come) I believe we should think about introducing certain standards or rules for those cases <u>before</u> creating any further precedences. (IMHO, for European idioms the <i>Charter for Regional or Minority Languages</i> - cf. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minderheitensprachen_in_Europa">[1]</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/Commun/ListeDeclarations.asp?NT=148&CM=8&DF=23/01/05&CL=ENG&VL=1">[2]</a> - could serve as a guideline ... but I'm afraid the Ripurians ain't gonna agree here ;-) ) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Arbeo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Arbeo (page does not exist)">Arbeo</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Arbeo-2005-09-09T18:01:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-07T10:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 9 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arbeo-2005-09-09T18:01:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-07T10:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arbeo-2005-09-09T18:01:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-07T10:14:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caesarion-2005-09-11T08:48:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:18:00.000Z"></span>While it is true that Wikipedias like these create precedents, I think Ripuarian <i>does</i> qualify as a regional language, for the same reasons as its Low German counterpart, Limburgish, does. My opinion is that the existence of li: justifies the creation of a Ripuarian Wikipedia. What I discourage however is a Wikipedia in dialects like West Thuringian, which is really to close to German. Also of dialects like High Saxon (Magdeburg or Berlin dialects) the language status would be very doubtful. When "they" come up with requests with dialects like these, I will be the first to oppose them. But Ripuarian is really quite far removed from Standard German, more so than Bavarian. <a href="/wiki/User:Caesarion" title="User:Caesarion">Caesarion</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caesarion" title="User talk:Caesarion"><small>Velim, non opto</small></a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Caesarion-2005-09-11T08:48:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:48, 11 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caesarion-2005-09-11T08:48:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caesarion-2005-09-11T08:48:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:18:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.60.209.231-2005-09-06T10:24:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z"></span>Hi <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Arbeo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Arbeo (page does not exist)">Arbeo</a>, each textbook I choose, and all the Wikipediæ that I can read, if they have it, they define <i>dialect</i> as a <i>language, which ...</i> - so your opposition appears based on sheer ignorance of reality.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:84.60.209.231&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:84.60.209.231 (page does not exist)">84.60.209.231</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-84.60.209.231-2005-09-06T10:24:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:24, 6 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84.60.209.231-2005-09-06T10:24:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-84.60.209.231-2005-09-06T10:24:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-02T16:48:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:35:00.000Z-84.60.209.231-2005-09-06T10:24:00.000Z"></span>Hi <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:84.60.209.231&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:84.60.209.231 (page does not exist)">84.60.209.231</a>! Rest assured, I am quite familiar with reality. Btw: Encyclopædia Britannica writes <i><u>Variety</u> of a language spoken by a group of people...</i>, Brockhaus says <i>Örtlich bedingte Sprach<u>form</u> innerhalb einer Sprachgemeinschaft.</i> and the Wikipedias I can read all state something like <i> variety of a language, Varietät einer Sprache, variante d'une langue, variante de una lengua, разновидность языка, språklig varietet</i> or the like. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Arbeo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Arbeo (page does not exist)">Arbeo</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:35:00.000Z-84.60.209.231-2005-09-06T10:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 6 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:35:00.000Z-84.60.209.231-2005-09-06T10:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:35:00.000Z-84.60.209.231-2005-09-06T10:24:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dbach-2005-09-07T12:04:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:35:00.000Z"></span>Call it dialect what others call regional language, it is only a matter of definition ('a language is a dialect with an army'). As a matter of fact, there is quite a number of regional language wikipedias in different countries, so why should Ripuarian be treated differently? <a href="/wiki/User:Dbach" title="User:Dbach">Dbach</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Dbach-2005-09-07T12:04:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:04, 7 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dbach-2005-09-07T12:04:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dbach-2005-09-07T12:04:00.000Z-Arbeo-2005-09-06T15:35:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dbach-2005-09-05T14:38:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Purodha" title="User:Purodha">Purodha Blissenbach</a> 11:26, 2005 September 5 (UTC)</li> <li><b>Support</b>. Ripuarian certainly is a distinct language, consisting of more than 100 dialects. <a href="/wiki/User:Dbach" title="User:Dbach">Dbach</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Dbach-2005-09-05T14:38:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:38, 5 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dbach-2005-09-05T14:38:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dbach-2005-09-05T14:38:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Elian-2005-09-06T02:29:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z"></span>oppose</b>. dialect. --<a href="/wiki/User:Elian" title="User:Elian">Elian</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Elian-2005-09-06T02:29:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:29, 6 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Elian-2005-09-06T02:29:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Elian-2005-09-06T02:29:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caesarion-2005-09-06T10:50:00.000Z-Elian-2005-09-06T02:29:00.000Z"></span>"Dialect"... there we go again. First read the whole damned discussion and than state your opinion. And don't forget to read the disussion on Bavarian as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Caesarion" title="User:Caesarion">Caesarion</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caesarion" title="User talk:Caesarion"><small>Velim, non opto</small></a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Caesarion-2005-09-06T10:50:00.000Z-Elian-2005-09-06T02:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:50, 6 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caesarion-2005-09-06T10:50:00.000Z-Elian-2005-09-06T02:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caesarion-2005-09-06T10:50:00.000Z-Elian-2005-09-06T02:29:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caesarion-2005-09-06T14:31:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-06T10:50:00.000Z"></span>Yes/No</b> I am Bavarian, I doe not understand anything of that languge, is the same like Dutch, to me. Use the Dutch Wikipedia. If not possible make an own Wikipedia. <ul><li>Trust me, Dutch and Ripuarian are as badly mutually intelligible ;-) <a href="/wiki/User:Caesarion" title="User:Caesarion">Caesarion</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caesarion" title="User talk:Caesarion"><small>Velim, non opto</small></a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Caesarion-2005-09-06T14:31:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-06T10:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:31, 6 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caesarion-2005-09-06T14:31:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-06T10:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caesarion-2005-09-06T14:31:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-06T10:50:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.60.215.33-2005-09-07T11:27:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z"></span>Does not Standard, or TV German, relate to all these German Platts and Allemmanic langs etc. (from Italy over Poland, Romania, Chechoslovakia and Nederland/Begium/Luxemburg to entire Scandinavia) the same way as worldwide use of english relates to all languages on earth? Why are especially Germans so inclined to shut up each other languagewise? I pefectly understand Turkisch stamping out Kurdi; but germanic languages do not even have a state. This particular version is split over three countries and four states, apparently. What the fuzz, why not allowing them to write if they want? See testwiki, some 7 contributors have created some 30 Articles in three weeks, half of which seem non-stubs, several having images, etc.. Assuming the same amount of work went into coordination and into the Wikipedia-Namespace, I call this dedication, which ultimately leads to success.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:84.60.215.33&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:84.60.215.33 (page does not exist)">84.60.215.33</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-84.60.215.33-2005-09-07T11:27:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 7 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84.60.215.33-2005-09-07T11:27:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-84.60.215.33-2005-09-07T11:27:00.000Z-Caesarion-2005-09-01T15:49:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dbach-2005-09-07T12:02:00.000Z-84.60.215.33-2005-09-07T11:27:00.000Z"></span>Standard German is a relatively new invention and has been promoted much less than, say, Standard French in France (where 200 years ago it was forbidden in some areas to speak regional languages), not only for linguistic but also for political reasons - Germany as an entity is an even younger invention. Therefore, regional languages (not dialects) are much more important in Germany and countries with a similar history. They are spoken in everyday-life, and regional language wikipedias have been successfull in high-German (Bavarian, Allemanic) and low-German (low saxon), why not in a middle-German language? After all, Ripuarian is not at all a dialect. There is a lot of regional language wikipedias springing up now, but why forbid one and allow the others? Regional language wikis do attract people who would not be active (or that active) in a standard language wiki; also I would not assume that distracting some minimal attention from the second-biggest wikipedia would be a disaster. As long as there are more or less vivid wikipedias in ancient and non-existing languages like Gothic and Clingon, why should a regional language wiki not be successful? Right now, the Ripuarian Testwiki has more articels than the smallest 77 wikipedias, including a lot of standard language projects. <a href="/wiki/User:Dbach" title="User:Dbach">Dbach</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Dbach-2005-09-07T12:02:00.000Z-84.60.215.33-2005-09-07T11:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 7 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dbach-2005-09-07T12:02:00.000Z-84.60.215.33-2005-09-07T11:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dbach-2005-09-07T12:02:00.000Z-84.60.215.33-2005-09-07T11:27:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z-Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)"></span>Support</b> If it would be only called <i>Kölsch</i> one could claim this ist just the dialect of a German city but the term <b>Ripuarisch</b> is unique. So it seems to me it is a language by it self. Regards <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ejfis&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ejfis (page does not exist)">ejfis</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><b>Support</b>--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:80.134.250.58&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:80.134.250.58 (page does not exist)">80.134.250.58</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z-Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:44, 10 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z-Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z-Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)"></span> </p> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Superbass-2005-09-10T21:26:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Superbass" title="User:Superbass">Superbass</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Superbass-2005-09-10T21:26:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 10 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Superbass-2005-09-10T21:26:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Superbass-2005-09-10T21:26:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abzt-2005-09-11T16:53:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Abzt&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Abzt (page does not exist)">Abzt</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Abzt-2005-09-11T16:53:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 11 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abzt-2005-09-11T16:53:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abzt-2005-09-11T16:53:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chamdarae-2005-09-15T18:47:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Leonce49&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Leonce49 (page does not exist)">Leonce49</a> 12. Sep. 2005</li> <li><b>Support</b> The test-wiki looks good, and Ripuarian seems quite distinct from standard High German. --<a href="/wiki/User:Chamdarae" title="User:Chamdarae">Chamdarae</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Chamdarae-2005-09-15T18:47:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 15 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chamdarae-2005-09-15T18:47:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chamdarae-2005-09-15T18:47:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purodha-2005-09-20T18:43:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z"></span>Neutral</b> (I'd voiced my support already) Here, translated most strictly from <a class="external text" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Vith?olsid=8019899">German</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://wikoelsch.dergruenepunk.de/index.php/St._Vith?oldid=2196">Kölsch</a> and another, a bit looser, <a class="external text" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._K._Waechter?oldid=9369763">German</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://wikoelsch.dergruenepunk.de/index.php/Friedrich_Karl_Waechter?oldid=2365">Kölsch</a> translation. Compare yourself how similar these so called dialects are. Keep in mind, deviations in both wording and grammar in the St. Vith example exist only where they have to. --<a href="/wiki/User:Purodha" title="User:Purodha">Purodha Blissenbach</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Purodha-2005-09-20T18:43:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 20 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purodha-2005-09-20T18:43:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purodha-2005-09-20T18:43:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Helesike-2005-09-21T21:05:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z"></span>Support</b>--<a href="/wiki/User:Helesike" title="User:Helesike">Helesike</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Helesike-2005-09-21T21:05:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 21 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Helesike-2005-09-21T21:05:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Helesike-2005-09-21T21:05:00.000Z-80.134.250.58-2005-09-10T11:44:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z-Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)"></span>Language Code and Domain:</b> </p> <div style="margin-left:6ex; border:0; background-color:#f0f0f0"> <p>I don't know wether or not this is the right place for the subject matter. If it not so, please point me to a better place. Thank you.<br/> SIL Code <code>ksh</code> is for Kölsch only but the wiki shall address all ripuarian languages. Kölsch is the most prominent ripuarian language (by public knowledge and recognition, number of speakers, scholar and reseach papers, etc.) but accounts at most for one third of overall ripurian speakers (estimated). There is no code for 'all ripurian' in either SIL or ISO as of today. Through SIL, <code>ksh</code> is being suggested for ISO-639-3 automatically. ISO-639-3 currently has <code>gem</code> which is a vast superset of ripuarian, and expicitly includes Kölsch (but makes no mention of code <code>ksh</code> yet). A move is being started, to request <code>ksh</code> into ISO-639-2, and either of <code>frp</code> (franconian ripuarian/francique ripuaire) or <code>grp</code> (germanic-ripurarian) into ISO-639-3.<br/> We are discussing the question: 'which code to use?' internally, too. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Purodha" title="User:Purodha">Purodha Blissenbach</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z-Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 6 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z-Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z-Ripuarian_(16_support;_2_oppose)"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TUF-KAT-2005-10-06T20:24:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span>Is your claim that "gem-rip" is inappropriate? If so, what would you like to change it to? Keep in mind that if an official ISO code is approved at some later date, I'm certain the wiki can be moved to the new location without much fuss. <a href="/wiki/User:TUF-KAT" title="User:TUF-KAT">Tuf-Kat</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-TUF-KAT-2005-10-06T20:24:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 6 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TUF-KAT-2005-10-06T20:24:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TUF-KAT-2005-10-06T20:24:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purodha-2005-10-09T11:41:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span>I'd rather suggest <code>frp</code>, <code style="white-space:nowrap">grp-frp</code>, or <code>grp</code>, <code style="white-space:nowrap">grp-grp</code>, respectively, favouring a simple 3-letter code. I cannot call <code>rip</code>, <code style="white-space:nowrap">gem-rip</code> inappropriate, yet I personally dislike its resemblance of the R.I.P. found on our graveyards. My suggestion is based on the fact that with <code>frp</code>, and <code>grp</code>, people looking the code up will receive the most acurate and helpful clue as to which languages these are. I also believe that changing the code later would not be critical - though the easiest way is to avoid that, of course. --<a href="/wiki/User:Purodha" title="User:Purodha">Purodha Blissenbach</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Purodha-2005-10-09T11:41:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 9 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purodha-2005-10-09T11:41:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purodha-2005-10-09T11:41:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-84.60.216.179-2005-10-09T14:47:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span>'frp' is Franco-Provençal in ISO-639-3. As of today, 'grp' is unassigned in ISO-639-2,3,4 and by SIL 15th ed. So 'grp' would be the choice? -- <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:84.60.216.179&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:84.60.216.179 (page does not exist)">84.60.216.179</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-84.60.216.179-2005-10-09T14:47:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 9 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-84.60.216.179-2005-10-09T14:47:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-84.60.216.179-2005-10-09T14:47:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purodha-2005-10-11T10:57:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span>Agreed. --<a href="/wiki/User:Purodha" title="User:Purodha">Purodha Blissenbach</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Purodha-2005-10-11T10:57:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purodha-2005-10-11T10:57:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purodha-2005-10-11T10:57:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Metacaesius-2005-10-20T12:16:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span>I think 'grp' is proper. --<a href="/wiki/User:Metacaesius" title="User:Metacaesius">Metacaesius</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Metacaesius-2005-10-20T12:16:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:16, 20 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Metacaesius-2005-10-20T12:16:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Metacaesius-2005-10-20T12:16:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> </div> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purodha-2005-10-16T21:07:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> <ul><li>This had been added 01:42, 14 October 2005 by <a href="/wiki/User:Node_ue" title="User:Node ue">Node ue</a> who did not sign it. (<small>--<a href="/wiki/User:Purodha" title="User:Purodha">Purodha Blissenbach</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Purodha-2005-10-16T21:07:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 16 October 2005 (UTC)</a></small>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purodha-2005-10-16T21:07:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purodha-2005-10-16T21:07:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Raetius-2005-10-15T13:52:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> (Because it is a regional variant of standard German, not a separate language. Hence no need for a seperate encyclopedia) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Raetius&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Raetius (page does not exist)">Raetius</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Raetius-2005-10-15T13:52:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:52, 15 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Raetius-2005-10-15T13:52:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Raetius-2005-10-15T13:52:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Purodha-2005-10-17T04:32:00.000Z-Raetius-2005-10-15T13:52:00.000Z"></span>Your opposition is pointless here (as of <a href="/wiki/Proposed_policy_for_wikis_in_new_languages" title="Proposed policy for wikis in new languages">Proposed policy for wikis in new languages</a> # 1), based on fault (as none of the West-Middle German languages, being descendants of old Middle-High German (<code>gmh</code>) AND Low German (<code>nds</code>), is a variant of Standard German) and wrong (we are talking about a group of approximately 100 distinct dialects spoken in Germany, Netherland, and Belgium, relating to German in a fashion comparable to Afrikaans, Allemannic, Danish, Dutch, Limburgish, Nedersassish — What you have in mind, is probably Rheinisch regiolect as often heard on TV, etc. This wiki is <i>not</i> for Rheinisch regiolect. If you read german, see <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.lvr.de/FachDez/Kultur/Landeskunde/Alltagskultur/kompetenz/Sprache/sprache/regiolekt.htm">[3]</a> for some explanatory hints, else c.f. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6lsch_(dialect)" class="extiw" title="en:Kölsch (dialect)">Kölsch</a>) --<a href="/wiki/User:Purodha" title="User:Purodha">Purodha Blissenbach</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Purodha-2005-10-17T04:32:00.000Z-Raetius-2005-10-15T13:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:32, 17 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Purodha-2005-10-17T04:32:00.000Z-Raetius-2005-10-15T13:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Purodha-2005-10-17T04:32:00.000Z-Raetius-2005-10-15T13:52:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rerox-2005-10-19T14:41:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span>Support</b>. Hardly any linguistic arguments against this language, mainly a political discussion here. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rerox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rerox (page does not exist)">Rerox</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Rerox-2005-10-19T14:41:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:41, 19 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rerox-2005-10-19T14:41:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rerox-2005-10-19T14:41:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Miss_van_der_Roehe-2005-10-20T10:33:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span>Support</b>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Miss_van_der_Roehe&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Miss van der Roehe (page does not exist)">Miss van der Roehe</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Miss_van_der_Roehe-2005-10-20T10:33:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Miss_van_der_Roehe-2005-10-20T10:33:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Miss_van_der_Roehe-2005-10-20T10:33:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-88.160.26.109-2005-10-21T14:04:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> Might wish to join after examns next year, not earlier. If you want the test wike made more public while it is test, say so here or in its start page. Guess, I can drum up dozens of presumably willing writers if you like. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:88.160.26.109&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:88.160.26.109 (page does not exist)">88.160.26.109</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-88.160.26.109-2005-10-21T14:04:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 21 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-88.160.26.109-2005-10-21T14:04:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-88.160.26.109-2005-10-21T14:04:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dbach-2005-10-22T12:17:00.000Z-88.160.26.109-2005-10-21T14:04:00.000Z"></span>Plz do so! And if you have a username, sign with it otherwise it is not being counted! Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Dbach" title="User:Dbach">Dbach</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Dbach-2005-10-22T12:17:00.000Z-88.160.26.109-2005-10-21T14:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:17, 22 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dbach-2005-10-22T12:17:00.000Z-88.160.26.109-2005-10-21T14:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dbach-2005-10-22T12:17:00.000Z-88.160.26.109-2005-10-21T14:04:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nimix13-2005-10-26T15:00:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> If we have an own wikipedia for Plattdüütsch and Alemannisch we need also one for the central german languages. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nimix13&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nimix13 (page does not exist)">Nimix13</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-Nimix13-2005-10-26T15:00:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 26 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nimix13-2005-10-26T15:00:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nimix13-2005-10-26T15:00:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TUF-KAT-2005-10-28T06:50:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> This seems like a reasonable basis for a pedia. <a href="/wiki/User:TUF-KAT" title="User:TUF-KAT">Tuf-Kat</a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian#c-TUF-KAT-2005-10-28T06:50:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:50, 28 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TUF-KAT-2005-10-28T06:50:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TUF-KAT-2005-10-28T06:50:00.000Z-Purodha-2005-10-06T16:04:00.000Z"></span></li> <li>Koelsch is definitly a seprate language, i think. <b>support</b> -<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:220.149.85.57&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:220.149.85.57 (page does not exist)">220.149.85.57</a></li></ul></div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian&oldid=237656">https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ripuarian&oldid=237656</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 17 November 2005, at 17:40.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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