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class="toctext">Questionable?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-3"><a href="#Whitewash?"><span class="tocnumber">1.2</span> <span class="toctext">Whitewash?</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#Holy_Trinity_Brompton_Church"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">Holy Trinity Brompton Church</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#B_Class?"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">B Class?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#Also_Out_of_Date?"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Also Out of Date?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#External_links_modified"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">External links modified</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Context_and_position_in_the_religious_landscape"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">Context and position in the religious landscape</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(1)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="NPOV" data-mw-thread-id="h-NPOV-2005-10-14T01:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NPOV-2005-10-14T01:11:00.000Z"></span>NPOV<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NPOV-2005-10-14T01:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Holy_Trinity_Brompton&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: NPOV" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-11' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement 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class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-1 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-1"> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Questionable?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Questionable?-NPOV-2005-10-14T01:11:00.000Z"><span id="Questionable.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Questionable?-NPOV-2005-10-14T01:11:00.000Z"></span>Questionable?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Questionable?-NPOV-2005-10-14T01:11:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Holy_Trinity_Brompton&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Questionable?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bastie-2005-10-14T01:11:00.000Z-Questionable?"></span>"notoriety" and "highly questionable"? What evidence is there for this? <a href="/wiki/User:Bastie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Bastie">Bastie</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Holy_Trinity_Brompton#c-Bastie-2005-10-14T01:11:00.000Z-Questionable?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:11, 14 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bastie-2005-10-14T01:11:00.000Z-Questionable?"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bastie-2005-10-14T01:11:00.000Z-Questionable?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Whitewash?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Whitewash?-NPOV-2009-12-09T18:02:00.000Z"><span id="Whitewash.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Whitewash?-NPOV-2009-12-09T18:02:00.000Z"></span>Whitewash?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Whitewash?-NPOV-2009-12-09T18:02:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Holy_Trinity_Brompton&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Whitewash?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> </div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greenslade66-2009-12-09T18:02:00.000Z-Whitewash?"></span>There is space for a section on controversy and criticism on this page. HTB has attracted a lot of criticism over the years, especially in relation to the Toronto Blessing and the place of charismatic worship in the Church of England. Big topics, admittedly, and the leadership of HTB is now notably silent on their connections to the Blessing and the Vineyard churches. This article reads like an advertisement for HTB, descriptive and no doubt accurate, but somewhat lacking in grit. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Greenslade66&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Greenslade66 (page does not exist)">Greenslade66</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Greenslade66&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Greenslade66 (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Greenslade66" title="Special:Contributions/Greenslade66">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Holy_Trinity_Brompton#c-Greenslade66-2009-12-09T18:02:00.000Z-Whitewash?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:02, 9 December 2009 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greenslade66-2009-12-09T18:02:00.000Z-Whitewash?"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greenslade66-2009-12-09T18:02:00.000Z-Whitewash?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-128.100.3.40-2010-03-19T10:24:00.000Z-Greenslade66-2009-12-09T18:02:00.000Z"></span>Indeed. When I visited HTB in the late 1990's, I was bemused and a bit scared at the insanity of the service. One would choose words carefully for the article, but the style of worship is clearly "unconventional". There is no indication of how weird this church is/was in the article. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/128.100.3.40" title="Special:Contributions/128.100.3.40">128.100.3.40</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:128.100.3.40" title="User talk:128.100.3.40">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Holy_Trinity_Brompton#c-128.100.3.40-2010-03-19T10:24:00.000Z-Greenslade66-2009-12-09T18:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-128.100.3.40-2010-03-19T10:24:00.000Z-Greenslade66-2009-12-09T18:02:00.000Z"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-128.100.3.40-2010-03-19T10:24:00.000Z-Greenslade66-2009-12-09T18:02:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(2)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Holy_Trinity_Brompton_Church" data-mw-thread-id="h-Holy_Trinity_Brompton_Church-2012-06-14T21:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Holy_Trinity_Brompton_Church-2012-06-14T21:24:00.000Z"></span>Holy Trinity Brompton Church<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Holy_Trinity_Brompton_Church-2012-06-14T21:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Holy_Trinity_Brompton&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Holy Trinity Brompton Church" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-12' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-DBD-2012-06-14T21:24:00.000Z-Holy_Trinity_Brompton_Church">12 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DBD-2012-06-14T21:24:00.000Z-Holy_Trinity_Brompton_Church"></span>...was where I found this page. I've moved it because that's not even a thing. Surely it's Holy Trinity Church, Brompton if anything. "Holy Trinity Brompton Church" (Dedication Place Church, e.g. St Martin's London Church) is a ridiculous turn of phrase. <b><a href="/wiki/User:DBD" title="User:DBD">D</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DBD" title="User talk:DBD">B</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/DBD" title="Special:Contributions/DBD">D</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Holy_Trinity_Brompton#c-DBD-2012-06-14T21:24:00.000Z-Holy_Trinity_Brompton_Church" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 14 June 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DBD-2012-06-14T21:24:00.000Z-Holy_Trinity_Brompton_Church"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DBD-2012-06-14T21:24:00.000Z-Holy_Trinity_Brompton_Church"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="B_Class?" data-mw-thread-id="h-B_Class?-2013-04-03T08:07:00.000Z"><span id="B_Class.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-B_Class?-2013-04-03T08:07:00.000Z"></span>B Class?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-B_Class?-2013-04-03T08:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Holy_Trinity_Brompton&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: B Class?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-13' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-94.171.75.101-2013-04-03T08:07:00.000Z-B_Class?">11 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-94.171.75.101-2013-04-03T08:07:00.000Z-B_Class?"></span>What improvements does this article need to become B class? </p><p>1. Mentioned above, it needs a Criticisms section 2. NPOV could still be a problem 3. More references are needed. 4. Do you have more ideas? </p><p>Let's see how far we can get with this article. I've never been to HTB, so I can't really be much help editing. </p><p>Thanks all, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.171.75.101" title="Special:Contributions/94.171.75.101">94.171.75.101</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:94.171.75.101" title="User talk:94.171.75.101">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Holy_Trinity_Brompton#c-94.171.75.101-2013-04-03T08:07:00.000Z-B_Class?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-94.171.75.101-2013-04-03T08:07:00.000Z-B_Class?"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-94.171.75.101-2013-04-03T08:07:00.000Z-B_Class?"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(4)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Also_Out_of_Date?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Also_Out_of_Date?-2013-06-07T08:50:00.000Z"><span id="Also_Out_of_Date.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Also_Out_of_Date?-2013-06-07T08:50:00.000Z"></span>Also Out of Date?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Also_Out_of_Date?-2013-06-07T08:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Holy_Trinity_Brompton&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Also Out of Date?" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-14' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-AJRG-2016-10-11T14:48:00.000Z-Also_Out_of_Date?">8 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-86.29.127.233-2013-06-07T08:50:00.000Z-Also_Out_of_Date?"></span>Yes and it's also very out of date. No mention of: 1. The Annual HTB Leadership Conference at the Royal Albert Hall attended by 5,000. 2. The links with the Justin Welby - the new Archbishop of Canterbury. 3. The opening of St Judes Courtfield Gardens. 4. WWT's back to work furniture warehouse. 5. Homeless shelters 6. Debt counselling etc etc. 7. And some healthy NPOV and criticism. </p><p>Perhaps we should ask the congregation to help? </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.29.127.233" title="Special:Contributions/86.29.127.233">86.29.127.233</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:86.29.127.233&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:86.29.127.233 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Holy_Trinity_Brompton#c-86.29.127.233-2013-06-07T08:50:00.000Z-Also_Out_of_Date?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 7 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-86.29.127.233-2013-06-07T08:50:00.000Z-Also_Out_of_Date?"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-86.29.127.233-2013-06-07T08:50:00.000Z-Also_Out_of_Date?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AJRG-2016-10-11T14:48:00.000Z-Also_Out_of_Date?"></span>The leadership team has changed. See: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.htb.org/about/leadership-team">https://www.htb.org/about/leadership-team</a> <a href="/wiki/User:AJRG" class="mw-redirect" title="User:AJRG">AJRG</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AJRG" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:AJRG">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Holy_Trinity_Brompton#c-AJRG-2016-10-11T14:48:00.000Z-Also_Out_of_Date?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 11 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AJRG-2016-10-11T14:48:00.000Z-Also_Out_of_Date?"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AJRG-2016-10-11T14:48:00.000Z-Also_Out_of_Date?"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(5)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="External_links_modified" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified-2017-11-06T03:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links_modified-2017-11-06T03:25:00.000Z"></span>External links modified<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links_modified-2017-11-06T03:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Holy_Trinity_Brompton&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: External links modified" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id='ooui-php-15' class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget' data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}'><a role='button' tabindex='0' rel='nofollow' class='oo-ui-buttonElement-button'><span class='oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis'></span><span class='oo-ui-labelElement-label'></span><span class='oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator'></span></a></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-InternetArchiveBot-2017-11-06T03:25:00.000Z-External_links_modified">7 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-InternetArchiveBot-2017-11-06T03:25:00.000Z-External_links_modified"></span>Hello fellow Wikipedians, </p><p>I have just modified one external link on <a href="/wiki/Holy_Trinity_Brompton" title="Holy Trinity Brompton">Holy Trinity Brompton</a>. 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edited by people close to the subject. There is lots of glowing prose about "thriving ministries" and meeting pastoral challenges. What would be more encyclopaedic is more about how HTB - an influential church - fits into the range of perspectives in the Church of England and the wider Christian 'scene', although I am not well enough informed to take this on. At the moment the infobox makes clear that this is a "charismatic evangelical" establishment, but there is not much about this in the article. The article would benefit from more information referenced to third party sources. <a href="/wiki/User:Beorhtwulf" title="User:Beorhtwulf">Beorhtwulf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beorhtwulf" title="User talk:Beorhtwulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Holy_Trinity_Brompton#c-Beorhtwulf-2019-01-15T23:08:00.000Z-Context_and_position_in_the_religious_landscape" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 15 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beorhtwulf-2019-01-15T23:08:00.000Z-Context_and_position_in_the_religious_landscape"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beorhtwulf-2019-01-15T23:08:00.000Z-Context_and_position_in_the_religious_landscape"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ineffablebookkeeper-20230530211500-Beorhtwulf-2019-01-15T23:08:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Beorhtwulf" title="User:Beorhtwulf">Beorhtwulf</a>:</span> I'm late to the party but you're right; a brief look along the edit history of this article makes me think as much. A number of sections are completely uncited, and edits such as <a class="external text" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/800425876">this</a> appear by editors who've only edited this article. I'd hazard a guess, sight unseen, that the uncited sections have been used as a way of "updating" what the church is now doing without regard to what it previously has done. We're not a village noticeboard.</dd> <dd>Of more importance, as you say, is how this church fits into the CofE landscape, seeing as it's where the current Archbishop of Canterbury came from. I've heard tell that the CofE is getting more evangelical in tone, if an interview with the Rev. <a href="/wiki/Richard_Coles" title="Richard Coles">Richard Coles</a> in the Telegraph is anything to go by, so it sees to be having a marked impact on the charism of the church wider. Surely there's sources to state as such available.</dd> <dd>I'll have a gander down edit history lane to see what may have been removed, and I'll rewrite some sections for tone, though in honesty if they've never had sources I don't think I'd be off in removing them. May get a bit of editing attention, at least...—<a href="/wiki/User:Ineffablebookkeeper" title="User:Ineffablebookkeeper">Ineffablebookkeeper</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ineffablebookkeeper" title="User talk:Ineffablebookkeeper">talk</a>) ({{<a href="/wiki/Template:Ping" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ping">ping</a>}} me!) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Holy_Trinity_Brompton#c-Ineffablebookkeeper-20230530211500-Beorhtwulf-2019-01-15T23:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:15, 30 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ineffablebookkeeper-20230530211500-Beorhtwulf-2019-01-15T23:08:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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