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id="toc-AfD_for_Frances_Broaddus-Crutchfield" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#AfD_for_Frances_Broaddus-Crutchfield"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>AfD for Frances Broaddus-Crutchfield</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-AfD_for_Frances_Broaddus-Crutchfield-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Blocked_versus_banned" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Blocked_versus_banned"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Blocked versus banned</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Blocked_versus_banned-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-You_have_received_a_prestigious_award" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#You_have_received_a_prestigious_award"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>You have received a prestigious award</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-You_have_received_a_prestigious_award-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-COIN" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#COIN"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>COIN</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-COIN-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Made_up_words" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Made_up_words"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Made up words</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Made_up_words-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Henderson" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Henderson"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Henderson</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Henderson-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Deletion_at_Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Deletion_at_Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Deletion at Killings of Aaron Danielson and Michael Reinoehl</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Deletion_at_Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Thanks_for_the_merge_help" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Thanks_for_the_merge_help"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Thanks for the merge help</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Thanks_for_the_merge_help-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-September_2020" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#September_2020"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>September 2020</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-September_2020-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Thank_you_for_the_kind_welcome" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Thank_you_for_the_kind_welcome"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Thank you for the kind welcome</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Thank_you_for_the_kind_welcome-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Thanks_for_cleaning_up_the_MIni_4WD_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Thanks_for_cleaning_up_the_MIni_4WD_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Thanks for cleaning up the MIni 4WD article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Thanks_for_cleaning_up_the_MIni_4WD_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Pending_changes_reviewer_granted" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Pending_changes_reviewer_granted"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Pending changes reviewer granted</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Pending_changes_reviewer_granted-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Lake_Oswego,_Oregon" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Lake_Oswego,_Oregon"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Lake Oswego, Oregon</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Lake_Oswego,_Oregon-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Teahouse_talkback:_you've_got_messages!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Teahouse_talkback:_you've_got_messages!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Teahouse talkback: you've got messages!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Teahouse_talkback:_you've_got_messages!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Indymedia" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Indymedia"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Indymedia</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Indymedia-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Anarchism" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Anarchism"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Anarchism</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Anarchism-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Ketch" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Ketch"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Ketch</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Ketch-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-RDA_and_RDB" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#RDA_and_RDB"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>RDA and RDB</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-RDA_and_RDB-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_look_to_a_draft" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_look_to_a_draft"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>A look to a draft</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-A_look_to_a_draft-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Your_edit_in_HGO" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Your_edit_in_HGO"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Your edit in HGO</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Your_edit_in_HGO-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Why" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Why"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Why</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Why-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Edit_Request_on_Concord_Law_School" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Edit_Request_on_Concord_Law_School"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Edit Request on Concord Law School</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Edit_Request_on_Concord_Law_School-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Bottle_Bill_edit_unclear" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Bottle_Bill_edit_unclear"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>Bottle Bill edit unclear</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Bottle_Bill_edit_unclear-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Fifth_Column" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Fifth_Column"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Fifth Column</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Fifth_Column-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Deleting_all_the_railroad_material" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Deleting_all_the_railroad_material"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Deleting all the railroad material</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Deleting_all_the_railroad_material-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Undisclosed_pay" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Undisclosed_pay"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Undisclosed pay</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Undisclosed_pay-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Don't_understand" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Don't_understand"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Don't understand</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Don't_understand-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Updates_for_ADM_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Updates_for_ADM_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Updates for ADM article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Updates_for_ADM_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A7_on_Advanced_Technology_College_Mekelle" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A7_on_Advanced_Technology_College_Mekelle"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>A7 on Advanced Technology College Mekelle</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-A7_on_Advanced_Technology_College_Mekelle-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-NAC" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#NAC"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>NAC</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-NAC-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Acceptable_Sources_on_Hardcore_punk_page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Acceptable_Sources_on_Hardcore_punk_page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>Acceptable Sources on Hardcore punk page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Acceptable_Sources_on_Hardcore_punk_page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Tellus" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Tellus"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>Tellus</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Tellus-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ADL_&_COI" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ADL_&_COI"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>ADL & COI</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-ADL_&_COI-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Re_speedy-delete_for_The_Lab_(organization)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Re_speedy-delete_for_The_Lab_(organization)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Re speedy-delete for The Lab (organization)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Re_speedy-delete_for_The_Lab_(organization)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_barnstar_for_you!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>A barnstar for you!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-A_barnstar_for_you!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Would_you_have_a_look_at_this_article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Would_you_have_a_look_at_this_article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>Would you have a look at this article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Would_you_have_a_look_at_this_article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Luke_Hughes_(furniture_designer)_page_-_reverting_of_changes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Luke_Hughes_(furniture_designer)_page_-_reverting_of_changes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Luke Hughes (furniture designer) page - reverting of changes</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Luke_Hughes_(furniture_designer)_page_-_reverting_of_changes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reverts" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reverts"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Reverts</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Reverts-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-removal_of_unsourced_sections" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#removal_of_unsourced_sections"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>removal of unsourced sections</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-removal_of_unsourced_sections-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-FYI" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#FYI"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>FYI</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-FYI-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Bold,_revert,_discuss" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Bold,_revert,_discuss"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>Bold, revert, discuss</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Bold,_revert,_discuss-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User:Ovedc" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User:Ovedc"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>User:Ovedc</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-User:Ovedc-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-HabiJax" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#HabiJax"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>HabiJax</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-HabiJax-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Psychological_testing" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Psychological_testing"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>Psychological testing</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Psychological_testing-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-I_think_you_may_have_mistyped" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#I_think_you_may_have_mistyped"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>I think you may have mistyped</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-I_think_you_may_have_mistyped-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Edward_Forman_edits" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Edward_Forman_edits"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>Edward Forman edits</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Edward_Forman_edits-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Email?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Email?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56</span> <span>Email?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Email?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Gary_Hugh_Brown" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Gary_Hugh_Brown"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">57</span> <span>Gary Hugh Brown</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Gary_Hugh_Brown-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-New_pages_patrol_invitation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#New_pages_patrol_invitation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">58</span> <span>New pages patrol invitation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-New_pages_patrol_invitation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Hovhannes_Tumanyan_Museum" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Hovhannes_Tumanyan_Museum"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">59</span> <span>Hovhannes Tumanyan Museum</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Hovhannes_Tumanyan_Museum-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Pine_Cone" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Pine_Cone"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">60</span> <span>Pine Cone</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Pine_Cone-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Shayan_Modarres" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Shayan_Modarres"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">61</span> <span>Shayan Modarres</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Shayan_Modarres-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-COIN_-_Carey3146" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#COIN_-_Carey3146"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">62</span> <span>COIN - Carey3146</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-COIN_-_Carey3146-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-WP:NCORP" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#WP:NCORP"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">63</span> <span>WP:NCORP</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-WP:NCORP-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Pure_Storage" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Pure_Storage"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">64</span> <span>Pure Storage</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Pure_Storage-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Moreland_School_District_redirect" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Moreland_School_District_redirect"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">65</span> <span>Moreland School District redirect</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Moreland_School_District_redirect-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Opioid_crisis_content" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Opioid_crisis_content"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">66</span> <span>Opioid crisis content</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Opioid_crisis_content-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">67</span> <span>ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-GetYourGuide" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#GetYourGuide"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">68</span> <span>GetYourGuide</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-GetYourGuide-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Request_for_review:_Garrett_Camp_page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Request_for_review:_Garrett_Camp_page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">69</span> <span>Request for review: Garrett Camp page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Request_for_review:_Garrett_Camp_page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-FYI_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#FYI_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">70</span> <span>FYI</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-FYI_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Another_walled_garden?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Another_walled_garden?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">71</span> <span>Another walled garden?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Another_walled_garden?-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Another walled garden? subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Another_walled_garden?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Walled_garden_inside_a_walled_garden?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Walled_garden_inside_a_walled_garden?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">71.1</span> <span>Walled garden inside a walled garden?</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Walled_garden_inside_a_walled_garden?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Roy_Bahat" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Roy_Bahat"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">72</span> <span>Roy Bahat</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Roy_Bahat-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Gore-tex_use_in_making_bagpipe_bags_reversion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Gore-tex_use_in_making_bagpipe_bags_reversion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">73</span> <span>Gore-tex use in making bagpipe bags reversion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Gore-tex_use_in_making_bagpipe_bags_reversion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Tesla_Cybertruck_sources" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Tesla_Cybertruck_sources"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">74</span> <span>Tesla Cybertruck sources</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Tesla_Cybertruck_sources-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Mary_L._Hamlin" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Mary_L._Hamlin"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">75</span> <span>Speedy deletion nomination of Mary L. Hamlin</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Mary_L._Hamlin-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Notability_standards_for_restaurants" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Notability_standards_for_restaurants"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">76</span> <span>Notability standards for restaurants</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Notability_standards_for_restaurants-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Titmouse,_Inc._Page_Edits" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Titmouse,_Inc._Page_Edits"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">77</span> <span>Titmouse, Inc. Page Edits</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Titmouse,_Inc._Page_Edits-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-You_posted_the_wrong_obituary" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#You_posted_the_wrong_obituary"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">78</span> <span>You posted the wrong obituary</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-You_posted_the_wrong_obituary-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-LastPass" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#LastPass"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">79</span> <span>LastPass</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-LastPass-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-OR_and_Rent_regulation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#OR_and_Rent_regulation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">80</span> <span>OR and Rent regulation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-OR_and_Rent_regulation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Controversial_merge" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Controversial_merge"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">81</span> <span>Controversial merge</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">10 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Controversial_merge-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Jay_Penske" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Jay_Penske"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">82</span> <span>Jay Penske</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Jay_Penske-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Big_Sur_CoI_allegations" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Big_Sur_CoI_allegations"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">83</span> <span>Big Sur CoI allegations</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Big_Sur_CoI_allegations-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">84</span> <span>Joanna Shields, Baroness Shields</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Interesting" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Interesting"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">85</span> <span>Interesting</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Interesting-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Notice_of_edit_warring_noticeboard_discussion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Notice_of_edit_warring_noticeboard_discussion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">86</span> <span>Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Notice_of_edit_warring_noticeboard_discussion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Hello" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Hello"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">87</span> <span>Hello</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Hello-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ANI" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ANI"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">88</span> <span>ANI</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ANI-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Next_Steps_for_Stubbing" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Next_Steps_for_Stubbing"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">89</span> <span>Next Steps for Stubbing</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Next_Steps_for_Stubbing-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-AmericaSpeaks" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#AmericaSpeaks"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">90</span> <span>AmericaSpeaks</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-AmericaSpeaks-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-May_2024" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#May_2024"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">91</span> <span>May 2024</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-May_2024-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Plutomania_Records" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Plutomania_Records"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">92</span> <span>Plutomania Records</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Plutomania_Records-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Opinion_requested" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Opinion_requested"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">93</span> <span>Opinion requested</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Opinion_requested-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Arc'teryx" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Arc'teryx"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">94</span> <span>Arc'teryx</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Arc'teryx-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Edit_warring" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Edit_warring"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">95</span> <span>Edit warring</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Edit_warring-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reviewer?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reviewer?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">96</span> <span>Reviewer?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Reviewer?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Simone_Badal-McCreath" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Simone_Badal-McCreath"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">97</span> <span>Simone Badal-McCreath</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Simone_Badal-McCreath-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Self-driving_car:_Reversion_due_to_adding_NPOV_&_RS_Mercedes_and_BMW_mapping_company_HERE" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Self-driving_car:_Reversion_due_to_adding_NPOV_&_RS_Mercedes_and_BMW_mapping_company_HERE"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">98</span> <span>Self-driving car: Reversion due to adding NPOV & RS Mercedes and BMW mapping company HERE</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Self-driving_car:_Reversion_due_to_adding_NPOV_&_RS_Mercedes_and_BMW_mapping_company_HERE-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-List_of_Universal_Music_Group_labels" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#List_of_Universal_Music_Group_labels"> 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Again, welcome! <a href="/wiki/User:RFD" title="User:RFD">RFD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RFD" title="User talk:RFD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-RFD-2018-09-29T15:05:00.000Z-Welcome!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RFD-2018-09-29T15:05:00.000Z-Welcome!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RFD-2018-09-29T15:05:00.000Z-Welcome!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_cup_of_tea_for_you_too!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_cup_of_tea_for_you_too!-2019-03-11T19:47:00.000Z"><span id="A_cup_of_tea_for_you_too.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_cup_of_tea_for_you_too!-2019-03-11T19:47:00.000Z"></span>A cup of tea for you too!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_cup_of_tea_for_you_too!-2019-03-11T19:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: A cup of tea for you too!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deb-2019-03-11T19:47:00.000Z-A_cup_of_tea_for_you_too!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg/120px-Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg" decoding="async" width="120" height="90" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg/180px-Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg/240px-Meissen-teacup_pinkrose01.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1500"/></a></span> </td> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">This situation reminds me a lot of something that happened about a year ago. It dragged on for months, with lots of moans and groans from the prolific article creator about how we were all so unkind in deleting his articles when we could have fixed them for him. When he'd irritated enough people, that contributor was eventually banned from creating <i>any</i> new articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Deb" title="User:Deb">Deb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deb" title="User talk:Deb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Deb-2019-03-11T19:47:00.000Z-A_cup_of_tea_for_you_too!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 11 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deb-2019-03-11T19:47:00.000Z-A_cup_of_tea_for_you_too!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deb-2019-03-11T19:47:00.000Z-A_cup_of_tea_for_you_too!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Still_Hacking_Anyways" data-mw-thread-id="h-Still_Hacking_Anyways-2020-04-24T12:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Still_Hacking_Anyways-2020-04-24T12:19:00.000Z"></span>Still Hacking Anyways<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Still_Hacking_Anyways-2020-04-24T12:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Still Hacking Anyways"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2001:1C00:1611:BC00:3DB4:E81:9710:FFB0-2020-04-24T12:19:00.000Z-Still_Hacking_Anyways"></span>Can you PLEASE stop this ridicioulous quest against the Dutch Hacker scene? Deleting pages about our hackerspaces and events. Its like a holy war and it is draining us. You're waging war against a whole community. Why? You're literally destroying our cultural heritage. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:1C00:1611:BC00:3DB4:E81:9710:FFB0" title="Special:Contributions/2001:1C00:1611:BC00:3DB4:E81:9710:FFB0">2001:1C00:1611:BC00:3DB4:E81:9710:FFB0</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2001:1C00:1611:BC00:3DB4:E81:9710:FFB0&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2001:1C00:1611:BC00:3DB4:E81:9710:FFB0 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-2001:1C00:1611:BC00:3DB4:E81:9710:FFB0-2020-04-24T12:19:00.000Z-Still_Hacking_Anyways" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 24 April 2020 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2001:1C00:1611:BC00:3DB4:E81:9710:FFB0-2020-04-24T12:19:00.000Z-Still_Hacking_Anyways"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2001:1C00:1611:BC00:3DB4:E81:9710:FFB0-2020-04-24T12:19:00.000Z-Still_Hacking_Anyways"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Flok-2020-04-24T12:22:00.000Z-Still_Hacking_Anyways"></span>Indeed! I second this motion. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Flok" title="User:Flok">Flok</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Flok#top" title="User talk:Flok">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Flok" title="Special:Contributions/Flok">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Flok-2020-04-24T12:22:00.000Z-Still_Hacking_Anyways" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Flok-2020-04-24T12:22:00.000Z-Still_Hacking_Anyways"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Flok-2020-04-24T12:22:00.000Z-Still_Hacking_Anyways"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-04-24T20:40:00.000Z-Flok-2020-04-24T12:22:00.000Z"></span>each and every one of the individual conferences didn't show sufficient notability to have their own article IMO. I'm merging them together, although one user opposed it, so it's up for consensus gathering right now whether the article should remain stand alone or no <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-04-24T20:40:00.000Z-Flok-2020-04-24T12:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 24 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-04-24T20:40:00.000Z-Flok-2020-04-24T12:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-04-24T20:40:00.000Z-Flok-2020-04-24T12:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disambiguation_link_notification_for_May_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_May_2-2020-05-02T12:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_May_2-2020-05-02T12:37:00.000Z"></span>Disambiguation link notification for May 2<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_May_2-2020-05-02T12:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Disambiguation link notification for May 2"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DPL_bot-2020-05-02T12:37:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_May_2"></span>An automated process has detected that when you recently edited <a href="/wiki/Raymond_Kaskey" title="Raymond Kaskey">Raymond Kaskey</a>, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page <a href="/wiki/Portlandia" title="Portlandia">Portlandia</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Raymond_Kaskey">check to confirm</a> | <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Raymond_Kaskey?client=notify">fix with Dab solver</a>). </p><p>(<a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot" title="User:DPL bot">Opt-out instructions</a>.) --<a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot" title="User:DPL bot">DPL bot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DPL_bot" title="User talk:DPL bot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-DPL_bot-2020-05-02T12:37:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_May_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DPL_bot-2020-05-02T12:37:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_May_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DPL_bot-2020-05-02T12:37:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_May_2"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Ivy_Hotel" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Ivy_Hotel-2020-05-16T04:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Ivy_Hotel-2020-05-16T04:16:00.000Z"></span>The Ivy Hotel<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Ivy_Hotel-2020-05-16T04:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: The Ivy Hotel"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Archivist_Robert-2020-05-16T04:16:00.000Z-The_Ivy_Hotel"></span>Thank you for your comments on the Wikipedia page “The Ivy Hotel”. I originally created this page on Aug. 1, 2015. My primary reason for creating this page was my interest in adaptive reuse projects, of which I considered this to be an interesting example when I learned about the project. I neither work for, nor have any connection with, the Ivy Hotel. </p><p>Concerning the issues that “… the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement.: This page appears to be a direct copy from: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150624025437/http://www.theivybaltimore.com/about-the-ivy/history-of-the-ivy/">https://web.archive.org/web/20150624025437/http://www.theivybaltimore.com/about-the-ivy/history-of-the-ivy/</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.theivybaltimore.com/history/…”">https://www.theivybaltimore.com/history/…”</a> </p><p>I initially researched the history of the buildings that now comprise the Ivy Hotel. I tried to establish the narrative by using a range of sources, including those derived from the Ivy Hotel website at that time. I did try to extensively footnote with each source, including the Ivy Hotel. When I created and further contributed to this page, I developed multiple versions of various sections, and perhaps my final submission didn’t include a proper rewording of the passages, which are of specific concern. </p><p>According to the “View history” there have been contributions made by other Wikipedia editors since I initially created the page. These include some important technical additions to the page, such as the addition of a photograph, as well as some other standard technical geographic Wikipedia information. </p><p>I would certainly be interested in further researching and revising the particular sections of concern, to bring them in line with Wikipedia Copyright Policy. I hope that this page may continue to be maintained, and that other interested persons may ultimately make further contributions concerning this important subject relating to Baltimore, Maryland. </p><p>Thank you. </p><p>Archivist Robert </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Archivist_Robert&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Archivist Robert (page does not exist)">Archivist Robert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Archivist_Robert" title="User talk:Archivist Robert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Archivist_Robert-2020-05-16T04:16:00.000Z-The_Ivy_Hotel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:16, 16 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Archivist_Robert-2020-05-16T04:16:00.000Z-The_Ivy_Hotel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Archivist_Robert-2020-05-16T04:16:00.000Z-The_Ivy_Hotel"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MER-C-2020-05-16T09:59:00.000Z-Archivist_Robert-2020-05-16T04:16:00.000Z"></span>What connection, if any, do you have with the subject of this article? <a href="/wiki/User:MER-C" title="User:MER-C">MER-C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-MER-C-2020-05-16T09:59:00.000Z-Archivist_Robert-2020-05-16T04:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MER-C-2020-05-16T09:59:00.000Z-Archivist_Robert-2020-05-16T04:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MER-C-2020-05-16T09:59:00.000Z-Archivist_Robert-2020-05-16T04:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Archivist_Robert-2020-05-16T16:12:00.000Z-The_Ivy_Hotel"></span>The Ivy Hotel[edit] I learned of this adaptive reuse project in the media when the Ivy Hotel opened in June 2015. I have no other connection with the subject of this article. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Archivist_Robert&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Archivist Robert (page does not exist)">Archivist Robert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Archivist_Robert" title="User talk:Archivist Robert">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Archivist_Robert-2020-05-16T16:12:00.000Z-The_Ivy_Hotel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 16 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Archivist_Robert-2020-05-16T16:12:00.000Z-The_Ivy_Hotel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Archivist_Robert-2020-05-16T16:12:00.000Z-The_Ivy_Hotel"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-05-16T16:17:00.000Z-Archivist_Robert-2020-05-16T16:12:00.000Z"></span>Such an ostensible copy and paste is only one of multiple concerns with the article. It was just the only one that needed to be addressed immediately. You have also made extensive promotional edits at adaptive reuse related lodging industry article <a href="/wiki/Catskill_Game_Farm" title="Catskill Game Farm">Catskill Game Farm</a>, including this edit <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/925747883" title="Special:Diff/925747883">Special:Diff/925747883</a>. This is the version before <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Catskill_Game_Farm&oldid=915877797">before</a> you started working on it. This was <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Catskill_Game_Farm&oldid=937716148">after</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-05-16T16:17:00.000Z-Archivist_Robert-2020-05-16T16:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:17, 16 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-05-16T16:17:00.000Z-Archivist_Robert-2020-05-16T16:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-05-16T16:17:00.000Z-Archivist_Robert-2020-05-16T16:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MER-C-2020-05-19T17:26:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-05-16T16:17:00.000Z"></span>Gosh, that's block-worthy levels of spam. The claim above is not plausible. <a href="/wiki/User:MER-C" title="User:MER-C">MER-C</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-MER-C-2020-05-19T17:26:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-05-16T16:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 19 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MER-C-2020-05-19T17:26:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-05-16T16:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MER-C-2020-05-19T17:26:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-05-16T16:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Speedy_deletion_declined:_King_Hussein_Bin_Talal_Convention_Centre_Managed_by_Hilton" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speedy_deletion_declined:_King_Hussein_Bin_Talal_Convention_Centre_Managed_by_Hi-2020-05-17T17:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Speedy_deletion_declined:_King_Hussein_Bin_Talal_Convention_Centre_Managed_by_Hi-2020-05-17T17:44:00.000Z"></span>Speedy deletion declined: <a href="/wiki/King_Hussein_Bin_Talal_Convention_Centre_Managed_by_Hilton" title="King Hussein Bin Talal Convention Centre Managed by Hilton">King Hussein Bin Talal Convention Centre Managed by Hilton</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Speedy_deletion_declined:_King_Hussein_Bin_Talal_Convention_Centre_Managed_by_Hi-2020-05-17T17:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Speedy deletion declined: King Hussein Bin Talal Convention Centre Managed by Hilton"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Creffett-2020-05-17T17:44:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_declined:_King_Hussein_Bin_Talal_Convention_Centre_Managed_by_Hi"></span>Hello Graywalls, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of <a href="/wiki/King_Hussein_Bin_Talal_Convention_Centre_Managed_by_Hilton" title="King Hussein Bin Talal Convention Centre Managed by Hilton">King Hussein Bin Talal Convention Centre Managed by Hilton</a>, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not unambiguously promotional. You may wish to review the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">Criteria for Speedy Deletion</a> before tagging further pages. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Creffett" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Creffett">creffett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Creffett" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Creffett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Creffett-2020-05-17T17:44:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_declined:_King_Hussein_Bin_Talal_Convention_Centre_Managed_by_Hi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 17 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Creffett-2020-05-17T17:44:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_declined:_King_Hussein_Bin_Talal_Convention_Centre_Managed_by_Hi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Creffett-2020-05-17T17:44:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_declined:_King_Hussein_Bin_Talal_Convention_Centre_Managed_by_Hi"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Minor_edit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Minor_edit-2020-05-27T02:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Minor_edit-2020-05-27T02:20:00.000Z"></span>Minor edit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Minor_edit-2020-05-27T02:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Minor edit"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Georgia_mann-2020-05-27T02:20:00.000Z-Minor_edit"></span>Hi Graywalls. I added an image on the Raratonga page that I marked as minor but as you brought it to my attention it was not a minor edit. I have since reuploaded the image captioned Te Rua Manga (The Needle) lookout but did not mark it as a minor edit this time. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. <a href="/wiki/User:Georgia_mann" title="User:Georgia mann">Georgia mann</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Georgia_mann" title="User talk:Georgia mann">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Georgia_mann-2020-05-27T02:20:00.000Z-Minor_edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:20, 27 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Georgia_mann-2020-05-27T02:20:00.000Z-Minor_edit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Georgia_mann-2020-05-27T02:20:00.000Z-Minor_edit"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Srcohen614-2020-05-30T23:18:00.000Z-Minor_edit"></span>Hi Graywalls, I am writing in response to your message that said: "Hi, I'm one of the contributor to the articles." I'm not the director, that is Mary Sherman; I am an unpaid volunteer board member. We didn't use PR firm, it was an author who is now banned from Wikipedia. Thank you for your help! Eventually we will figure this out, I hope. <a href="/wiki/User:Srcohen614" title="User:Srcohen614">Srcohen614</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srcohen614" title="User talk:Srcohen614">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Srcohen614-2020-05-30T23:18:00.000Z-Minor_edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 30 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Srcohen614-2020-05-30T23:18:00.000Z-Minor_edit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Srcohen614-2020-05-30T23:18:00.000Z-Minor_edit"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BOBBOBLEYBOBSON-2020-07-03T11:42:00.000Z-Minor_edit"></span>Hello, Graywalls - you are indeed right that one (or more?) of my minor edits likely didn't fit the criteria, my mistake! I made three minor edits that were pretty much adding a full stop and spacing (just publishing what I wrote then tweaking spacing as a separate edit once I know how it looks), then must've ticked the box on autopilot when I added the dose info for the nasal spray. Anyway if I'm right that it was dose info for either the nasal spray or for <a href="/w/index.php?title=Cesaerian_section&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Cesaerian section (page does not exist)">cesaerian section</a> in the medical use section for <a href="/wiki/Heroin" title="Heroin">heroin</a> so feel free to critically review that section and I won't take it personally if you change any of it (actually this is my general policy, change and nitpick all you want, but tell me if you want to take it all out). Actually I was wondering if adding dose info is beyond the scope of a wiki on a medication? I know the <a href="/wiki/Equianalgesic#Opioid_equivalency_table" title="Equianalgesic">Equianalgesic#Opioid_equivalency_table</a> table has a lot of specific dosing info for opioids, and some specific opioids have dose info in their wikis. Since diamorphine is a fairly big article I felt that I had some info to add that was already present in the existing citations but wasn't quoted in the text, but perhaps adding more info doesn't help an article per se? Lmk on my page or drop by if you want to discuss it further. (<a href="/wiki/User:BOBBOBLEYBOBSON" title="User:BOBBOBLEYBOBSON">BOBBOBLEYBOBSON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BOBBOBLEYBOBSON" title="User talk:BOBBOBLEYBOBSON">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-BOBBOBLEYBOBSON-2020-07-03T11:42:00.000Z-Minor_edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BOBBOBLEYBOBSON-2020-07-03T11:42:00.000Z-Minor_edit"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BOBBOBLEYBOBSON-2020-07-03T11:42:00.000Z-Minor_edit"></span> </p><p>Thank you for your explanation of minor edits. Many of my edits are adding books to bibliographies, and I wouldn't think that they would be subject to dispute. But, since you cite one of my edits that added a a book as not a minor edit, I will no longer check "This is a minor edit" for them. Maurice Magnus <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Maurice_Magnus" title="User:Maurice Magnus">Maurice Magnus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maurice_Magnus#top" title="User talk:Maurice Magnus">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Maurice_Magnus" title="Special:Contributions/Maurice Magnus">contribs</a>) </small> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hackaday_reverts" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hackaday_reverts-2020-06-01T20:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hackaday_reverts-2020-06-01T20:35:00.000Z"></span>Hackaday reverts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hackaday_reverts-2020-06-01T20:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Hackaday reverts"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dwaro-2020-06-01T20:35:00.000Z-Hackaday_reverts"></span>You claim on my talk page that I made a "third revert". This is not accurate. First you made a significant cleanup of the page, after that I restored the Hackaday.io part. After that, you removed it again, in my opinion not following WP:DUE correctly. Then I added it only a second time. </p><p>In case you're including the revert of the COI template, that has been discussed on the talk page and should not be included. </p><p>I'd like to resolve any problems now. What's the exact policy listed in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DUE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DUE">WP:DUE</a> that makes you remove that part? This isn't at all like a "minority viewpoint", it's a significant part in the history of the website. <a href="/wiki/User:Dwaro" title="User:Dwaro">Dwaro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dwaro" title="User talk:Dwaro">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Dwaro-2020-06-01T20:35:00.000Z-Hackaday_reverts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 1 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dwaro-2020-06-01T20:35:00.000Z-Hackaday_reverts"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dwaro-2020-06-01T20:35:00.000Z-Hackaday_reverts"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-06-01T21:05:00.000Z-Dwaro-2020-06-01T20:35:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dwaro" title="User:Dwaro">Dwaro</a>:</span>, evidence has been presented on your talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-06-01T21:05:00.000Z-Dwaro-2020-06-01T20:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 1 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-06-01T21:05:00.000Z-Dwaro-2020-06-01T20:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-06-01T21:05:00.000Z-Dwaro-2020-06-01T20:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AfD_for_Frances_Broaddus-Crutchfield" data-mw-thread-id="h-AfD_for_Frances_Broaddus-Crutchfield-2020-06-18T06:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AfD_for_Frances_Broaddus-Crutchfield-2020-06-18T06:02:00.000Z"></span>AfD for Frances Broaddus-Crutchfield<span data-mw-comment-end="h-AfD_for_Frances_Broaddus-Crutchfield-2020-06-18T06:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: AfD for Frances Broaddus-Crutchfield"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Frances_Broaddus-Crutchfield" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frances Broaddus-Crutchfield"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThatMontrealIP-2020-06-18T06:02:00.000Z-AfD_for_Frances_Broaddus-Crutchfield"></span>FYI</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ThatMontrealIP" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ThatMontrealIP">ThatMontrealIP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ThatMontrealIP" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ThatMontrealIP">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-ThatMontrealIP-2020-06-18T06:02:00.000Z-AfD_for_Frances_Broaddus-Crutchfield" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:02, 18 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThatMontrealIP-2020-06-18T06:02:00.000Z-AfD_for_Frances_Broaddus-Crutchfield"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThatMontrealIP-2020-06-18T06:02:00.000Z-AfD_for_Frances_Broaddus-Crutchfield"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-06-18T06:05:00.000Z-ThatMontrealIP-2020-06-18T06:02:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ThatMontrealIP" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ThatMontrealIP">ThatMontrealIP</a>:</span>, I wonder if there's a more efficient way of dealing with this. It's unfortunate how resource intensive it is to deal with numerous non-notable articles created by one user. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-06-18T06:05:00.000Z-ThatMontrealIP-2020-06-18T06:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:05, 18 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-06-18T06:05:00.000Z-ThatMontrealIP-2020-06-18T06:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-06-18T06:05:00.000Z-ThatMontrealIP-2020-06-18T06:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThatMontrealIP-2020-06-18T06:10:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-06-18T06:05:00.000Z"></span>Can't think of one!<a href="/wiki/User:ThatMontrealIP" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ThatMontrealIP">ThatMontrealIP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ThatMontrealIP" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ThatMontrealIP">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-ThatMontrealIP-2020-06-18T06:10:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-06-18T06:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:10, 18 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThatMontrealIP-2020-06-18T06:10:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-06-18T06:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThatMontrealIP-2020-06-18T06:10:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-06-18T06:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Blocked_versus_banned" data-mw-thread-id="h-Blocked_versus_banned-2020-06-23T21:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Blocked_versus_banned-2020-06-23T21:45:00.000Z"></span>Blocked versus banned<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Blocked_versus_banned-2020-06-23T21:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Blocked versus banned"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NatGertler-2020-06-23T21:45:00.000Z-Blocked_versus_banned"></span>I see that <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Association_of_Gospel_Rescue_Missions&curid=14429650&diff=964150107&oldid=937264388">in this edit</a> you marked <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AGRMEditor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AGRMEditor (page does not exist)">AGRMEditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AGRMEditor" title="User talk:AGRMEditor">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/AGRMEditor" title="Special:Contributions/AGRMEditor">contribs</a>) as having been banned. I can'f find a record of that - he had a username block, but I find no record of a ban. Am I missing something? If not, you should probably correct the tag that you added. --<a href="/wiki/User:NatGertler" title="User:NatGertler">Nat Gertler</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NatGertler" title="User talk:NatGertler">talk</a>) 21:45, 23 June 2020 (UTC) <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:NatGertler" title="User:NatGertler">NatGertler</a>:</span>, that is part of the pre-formed template. There's no different settings for it. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-NatGertler-2020-06-23T21:45:00.000Z-Blocked_versus_banned" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 23 June 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NatGertler-2020-06-23T21:45:00.000Z-Blocked_versus_banned"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NatGertler-2020-06-23T21:45:00.000Z-Blocked_versus_banned"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You_have_received_a_prestigious_award" data-mw-thread-id="h-You_have_received_a_prestigious_award-2020-06-29T17:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You_have_received_a_prestigious_award-2020-06-29T17:59:00.000Z"></span>You have received a prestigious award<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You_have_received_a_prestigious_award-2020-06-29T17:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: You have received a prestigious award"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border:1px solid gray; background-color:#fdffe7; width:820px"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bishonen-2020-06-29T17:59:00.000Z-You_have_received_a_prestigious_award"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Charles.Blondin.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Charles.Blondin.jpg/80px-Charles.Blondin.jpg" decoding="async" width="80" height="138" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Charles.Blondin.jpg/120px-Charles.Blondin.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Charles.Blondin.jpg/160px-Charles.Blondin.jpg 2x" data-file-width="900" data-file-height="1557"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: 185%; padding: 0 1em; height: 1.2em; text-align:center;"><b>The Blondin award of good balance</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="border-top: 1px solid gray; padding:0.5em;">You have been presented with the exclusive Blondin Award because you kept your cool so well when a promotional editor flung a lot of crap at you recently. The image represents the amazing <a href="/wiki/Charles_Blondin" title="Charles Blondin">Charles Blondin</a> carrying <a href="/wiki/Jimbo_Wales" class="mw-redirect" title="Jimbo Wales">Jimbo Wales</a> safely across the <a href="/wiki/Niagara_Falls" title="Niagara Falls">Niagara Falls</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Bishonen" title="User:Bishonen">Bishonen</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bishonen" title="User talk:Bishonen">tålk</a>. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Bishonen-2020-06-29T17:59:00.000Z-You_have_received_a_prestigious_award" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 29 June 2020‎ (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bishonen-2020-06-29T17:59:00.000Z-You_have_received_a_prestigious_award"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bishonen-2020-06-29T17:59:00.000Z-You_have_received_a_prestigious_award"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="COIN" data-mw-thread-id="h-COIN-2020-07-07T03:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-COIN-2020-07-07T03:03:00.000Z"></span>COIN<span data-mw-comment-end="h-COIN-2020-07-07T03:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: COIN"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThatMontrealIP-2020-07-07T03:03:00.000Z-COIN"></span>Hi! I replied over at COIN regarding Dudva's images. Long story short: two of three example image changes I looked at looked like improvements to me. I don't think they are up to anything nefarious. If anything I think they show a photographer's sort of nerdy interest in better image chrominance and luminance levels. It is very complex to analyze and discuss image COI. <a href="/wiki/User:ThatMontrealIP" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ThatMontrealIP">ThatMontrealIP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ThatMontrealIP" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ThatMontrealIP">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-ThatMontrealIP-2020-07-07T03:03:00.000Z-COIN" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:03, 7 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThatMontrealIP-2020-07-07T03:03:00.000Z-COIN"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThatMontrealIP-2020-07-07T03:03:00.000Z-COIN"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Made_up_words" data-mw-thread-id="h-Made_up_words-2020-07-22T07:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Made_up_words-2020-07-22T07:19:00.000Z"></span>Made up words<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Made_up_words-2020-07-22T07:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Made up words"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SSW9389-2020-07-22T07:19:00.000Z-Made_up_words"></span>In your edit of St. Louis Southwestern Railway you've either made up the term "Cotton Belt System" or transferred that over from a bad source. That term never existed. --<a href="/wiki/User:SSW9389" title="User:SSW9389">SSW9389</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SSW9389" title="User talk:SSW9389">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-SSW9389-2020-07-22T07:19:00.000Z-Made_up_words" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:19, 22 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SSW9389-2020-07-22T07:19:00.000Z-Made_up_words"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SSW9389-2020-07-22T07:19:00.000Z-Made_up_words"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-07-22T21:08:00.000Z-SSW9389-2020-07-22T07:19:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:SSW9389" title="User:SSW9389">SSW9389</a>:</span>, that phrase was already in the article before I even touched it. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-07-22T21:08:00.000Z-SSW9389-2020-07-22T07:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 22 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-07-22T21:08:00.000Z-SSW9389-2020-07-22T07:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-07-22T21:08:00.000Z-SSW9389-2020-07-22T07:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Henderson" data-mw-thread-id="h-Henderson-2020-09-07T19:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Henderson-2020-09-07T19:01:00.000Z"></span>Henderson<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Henderson-2020-09-07T19:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Henderson"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vexations-2020-09-07T19:01:00.000Z-Henderson"></span>Hey <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a>, I'm out of there. It's the same thing every time this comes up. We have an editor who flagrantly goes aginst the consensus against NOT writing about one's own family, and is enabled by editors who don't properly fact-check him. And whenever I point that out, I'm supposedly the bad guy. I've had enough of being disparaged like that. <a href="/wiki/User:Vexations" title="User:Vexations">Vexations</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vexations" title="User talk:Vexations">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Vexations-2020-09-07T19:01:00.000Z-Henderson" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 7 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vexations-2020-09-07T19:01:00.000Z-Henderson"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vexations-2020-09-07T19:01:00.000Z-Henderson"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-09-07T19:21:00.000Z-Vexations-2020-09-07T19:01:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Vexations" title="User:Vexations">Vexations</a>:</span>, that's unfortunate. Have you seen the situation with Mitzi.Humphrey edits? I think burning out opposition is one of strategies with people who do these type of articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-09-07T19:21:00.000Z-Vexations-2020-09-07T19:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 7 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-09-07T19:21:00.000Z-Vexations-2020-09-07T19:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-09-07T19:21:00.000Z-Vexations-2020-09-07T19:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vexations-2020-09-07T19:44:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-09-07T19:21:00.000Z"></span>Graywalls</a>, OMG yes. If I had to give advice on how to win at CoI editing it would be this: Keep editing; ignore consensus; argue that you're being victimized; use hard-to find references and make them difficult to verify; omit links and page numbers from citations; point out that finding errors in ones edits is "mean"; call people who point out your CoI "disruptive" and accuse them of not assuming good faith (because GF is infinite, you can never run out, you're always entitled to more); make arguments that require extensive rebuttals, then accuse your opponent of "bludgeoning"; when forced to make edit requests, overwhelm the edit page until you find someone who will not check your sources and do your bidding; exhaust them by adding so may errors that they give up, because it is easier to introduce falsehoods in Wikipedia than to identify and fix them. <a href="/wiki/User:Vexations" title="User:Vexations">Vexations</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vexations" title="User talk:Vexations">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Vexations-2020-09-07T19:44:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-09-07T19:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 7 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vexations-2020-09-07T19:44:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-09-07T19:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vexations-2020-09-07T19:44:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-09-07T19:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThatMontrealIP-2020-09-07T19:58:00.000Z-Vexations-2020-09-07T19:44:00.000Z"></span>Is it time to take the Henderson edits it to ANI? I have been wondering about this. The net effect of their efforts has been to circumvent the COI guideline.<a href="/wiki/User:ThatMontrealIP" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ThatMontrealIP">ThatMontrealIP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ThatMontrealIP" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:ThatMontrealIP">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-ThatMontrealIP-2020-09-07T19:58:00.000Z-Vexations-2020-09-07T19:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 7 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThatMontrealIP-2020-09-07T19:58:00.000Z-Vexations-2020-09-07T19:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThatMontrealIP-2020-09-07T19:58:00.000Z-Vexations-2020-09-07T19:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:ThatMontrealIP" class="mw-redirect" title="User:ThatMontrealIP"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vexations-2020-09-07T20:35:00.000Z-ThatMontrealIP-2020-09-07T19:58:00.000Z"></span>ThatMontrealIP</a>, I don't think that would work, nor for me anyway. I think I was the first one who pointed out that he was writing about his mother, and used some fairly harsh terms to describe her activities. For example, I called his <a href="/w/index.php?title=Patricia_Ford_Crass&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Patricia Ford Crass (page does not exist)">mother</a>'s depictions of pacific islanders for a "South Pacific Nite" racist. I also pointed out that Henderson is a collector of art made by a <a href="/w/index.php?title=Ludwig_B%C3%BCrgel&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Ludwig Bürgel (page does not exist)">Nazi</a>). I'd be unable to participate in an ANI discussion without becoming the fodder for more attacks on my integrity. Someone could conceivably try to get me banned for pointing out that an editor who is a collector of an artist with a NAZI past has a CoI with that subject. Best to stay as far away from ANI as possible. <a href="/wiki/User:Vexations" title="User:Vexations">Vexations</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vexations" title="User talk:Vexations">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Vexations-2020-09-07T20:35:00.000Z-ThatMontrealIP-2020-09-07T19:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 7 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vexations-2020-09-07T20:35:00.000Z-ThatMontrealIP-2020-09-07T19:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vexations-2020-09-07T20:35:00.000Z-ThatMontrealIP-2020-09-07T19:58:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-09-07T21:08:00.000Z-ThatMontrealIP-2020-09-07T19:58:00.000Z"></span>I think another COI/N or NPOV/N discussion would be a good start. The idea of writing his own essays on his own website only including what he wants, (meaning only things that make him look good) then essentially copying and pasting that and changing copyright on the original to CC-SA-BY transfers COIness directly into Wikipedia and had everyone in COI/N thread knew about the extensive copying and pasting, the responses may have been different. He's been maintaining civility and are not directly editing so... but in my opinion, those articles that are essential mirrors of Henderson legacy websites should not persist on Wikipedia without substantial cleanup even those who turn out to pass <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. Passing GNG is no excuse for including undue junk like "a boat in which he owned 5/16 ownership was wrecked by someone else and insurance settlement blah blah blah blah blah blah <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-09-07T21:08:00.000Z-ThatMontrealIP-2020-09-07T19:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 7 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-09-07T21:08:00.000Z-ThatMontrealIP-2020-09-07T19:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-09-07T21:08:00.000Z-ThatMontrealIP-2020-09-07T19:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-09-07T21:31:00.000Z-ThatMontrealIP-2020-09-07T19:58:00.000Z"></span>Also he admits to connecting the dots himself that sources don't directly connect. here <a href="/wiki/Talk:George_W._Blunt_(1856)#Daniel_Westervelt_of_Westervelt_&_Co._shipyard" title="Talk:George W. Blunt (1856)">Talk:George_W._Blunt_(1856)#Daniel_Westervelt_of_Westervelt_&_Co._shipyard</a>. I seem to recall Lydiaship finding something that failed verification in one of his other articles. When a website created in this manner is released CC-BY-SA and copied over, bias and original research error of the person who wrote the page comes right into Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-09-07T21:31:00.000Z-ThatMontrealIP-2020-09-07T19:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 7 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-09-07T21:31:00.000Z-ThatMontrealIP-2020-09-07T19:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-09-07T21:31:00.000Z-ThatMontrealIP-2020-09-07T19:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deletion_at_Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletion_at_Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl-2020-09-12T02:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletion_at_Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl-2020-09-12T02:02:00.000Z"></span>Deletion at <a href="/wiki/Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl" title="Killings of Aaron Danielson and Michael Reinoehl">Killings of Aaron Danielson and Michael Reinoehl</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletion_at_Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl-2020-09-12T02:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Deletion at Killings of Aaron Danielson and Michael Reinoehl"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ghostofnemo-2020-09-12T02:02:00.000Z-Deletion_at_Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl"></span>Please refrain from deleting neutrally worded, reliably sourced, relevant material from Wikipedia articles, as you did here: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl&oldid=prev&diff=977828599">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl&oldid=prev&diff=977828599</a> Thank you for your cooperation! <a href="/wiki/User:Ghostofnemo" title="User:Ghostofnemo">Ghostofnemo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ghostofnemo" title="User talk:Ghostofnemo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Ghostofnemo-2020-09-12T02:02:00.000Z-Deletion_at_Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:02, 12 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ghostofnemo-2020-09-12T02:02:00.000Z-Deletion_at_Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ghostofnemo-2020-09-12T02:02:00.000Z-Deletion_at_Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thanks_for_the_merge_help" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thanks_for_the_merge_help-2020-09-17T06:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thanks_for_the_merge_help-2020-09-17T06:24:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the merge help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thanks_for_the_merge_help-2020-09-17T06:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Thanks for the merge help"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GenQuest-2020-09-17T06:24:00.000Z-Thanks_for_the_merge_help"></span>Appreciate any help possible at project merge. Merging articles can be fun, but they're a slight bit complicated, so I went ahead and finished the process you started at <a href="/wiki/Compassion_%26_Choices" title="Compassion & Choices">Compassion & Choices</a> and its talk page for you. If you want, check out <a href="/wiki/User:GenQuest/Merge" title="User:GenQuest/Merge">User:GenQuest/Merge</a> for a step by step help guide so none of the many steps get missed. Feel free to ask me for clarification on anything, merges included, if needed. Again, Graywalls, thanks and happy editing! Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:GenQuest" title="User:GenQuest"><span style="color:Purple; text-shadow:brown 0.1em 0.2em 0.1em;">GenQuest</span></a> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GenQuest" title="User talk:GenQuest"><span style="color:Purple; text-shadow:brown 0.1em 0.2em 0.1em;">"Talk to Me"</span></a></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-GenQuest-2020-09-17T06:24:00.000Z-Thanks_for_the_merge_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:24, 17 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GenQuest-2020-09-17T06:24:00.000Z-Thanks_for_the_merge_help"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GenQuest-2020-09-17T06:24:00.000Z-Thanks_for_the_merge_help"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="September_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-September_2020-2020-09-23T08:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-September_2020-2020-09-23T08:48:00.000Z"></span>September 2020<span data-mw-comment-end="h-September_2020-2020-09-23T08:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: September 2020"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:48:00.000Z-September_2020"></span>why did you blank <a href="/wiki/Sacred_Heart_Pioneers_men%27s_ice_hockey" title="Sacred Heart Pioneers men's ice hockey">Sacred Heart Pioneers men's ice hockey</a> instead of AfDing it or PROD? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jacob_Gotts&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jacob Gotts (page does not exist)">{</a><small><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \mathbb {JPG} }"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi mathvariant="double-struck">J</mi> <mi mathvariant="double-struck">P</mi> <mi mathvariant="double-struck">G</mi> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \mathbb {JPG} }</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/d0ad88719ca4825fc332e16cf565b713b4925322" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.505ex; width:4.391ex; height:2.343ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \mathbb {JPG} }"/></span></small><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jacob_Gotts&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Jacob Gotts (page does not exist)">}</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:48:00.000Z-September_2020" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:48, 23 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:48:00.000Z-September_2020"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:48:00.000Z-September_2020"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:48:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jacob_Gotts&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jacob Gotts (page does not exist)">Jacob Gotts</a>:</span>, I should've been clearer in edit summary, but it wasn't a plain blank. It was a redirect. As you know, you can't go back and edit the edit summary. I re-directed it to <a href="/wiki/Sacred_Heart_University" title="Sacred Heart University">Sacred Heart University</a><a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z"></span>Ah, I see. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jacob_Gotts&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jacob Gotts (page does not exist)">{</a><small><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \mathbb {JPG} }"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi mathvariant="double-struck">J</mi> <mi mathvariant="double-struck">P</mi> <mi mathvariant="double-struck">G</mi> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \mathbb {JPG} }</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/d0ad88719ca4825fc332e16cf565b713b4925322" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.505ex; width:4.391ex; height:2.343ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \mathbb {JPG} }"/></span></small><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jacob_Gotts&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Jacob Gotts (page does not exist)">}</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-09-23T08:58:00.000Z-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z"></span>Do you disagree with the redirect? <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-09-23T08:58:00.000Z-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-09-23T08:58:00.000Z-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-09-23T08:58:00.000Z-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T09:04:00.000Z-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z"></span>Nah everything seems fine to me :) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jacob_Gotts&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jacob Gotts (page does not exist)">{</a><small><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \mathbb {JPG} }"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mi mathvariant="double-struck">J</mi> <mi mathvariant="double-struck">P</mi> <mi mathvariant="double-struck">G</mi> </mrow> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \mathbb {JPG} }</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/d0ad88719ca4825fc332e16cf565b713b4925322" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -0.505ex; width:4.391ex; height:2.343ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \mathbb {JPG} }"/></span></small><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jacob_Gotts&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Jacob Gotts (page does not exist)">}</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T09:04:00.000Z-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 23 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T09:04:00.000Z-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T09:04:00.000Z-Jacob_Gotts-2020-09-23T08:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thank_you_for_the_kind_welcome" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thank_you_for_the_kind_welcome-2020-09-25T14:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thank_you_for_the_kind_welcome-2020-09-25T14:53:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for the kind welcome<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thank_you_for_the_kind_welcome-2020-09-25T14:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Thank you for the kind welcome"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mini4WD-2020-09-25T14:53:00.000Z-Thank_you_for_the_kind_welcome"></span>In over 8 years, you are the first Editor to provide any sort of helpful welcome and I thank you for that. Since you are listening, I want to make a comment, the sort that you probably read all the time. I edit Wikipedia maybe once or twice a year and not because I want to be an editor. I did the editing on the article because it was in such deathly poor condition. The reason that I only edit the article once or twice a year is that one session of editing seems to cause a storm of nationalism and attract a war-like stink that attracts everyone to the article. So, it took me 8 years to SLOWLY make the article bearable even though it is fraught with non-compliancy. Sometimes it was fun editing because I could add good things to other articles where my additions were welcome and didn't start a "holy war". I don't know how anyone is able to stomach such daily Wikipedia Wars... however, I do understand a bit because my only motivation is that EVERY Wikipedia-scrapping site in the world will parrot any INCORRECT information contained therein and people all over the world will believe it to be so when it's not. I'm not long for this world, so people knowing the truth is not as important to me as it used to be. They say truth is like poetry... everyone hates it. What is more interesting to me is the geometry of truth and lies. The truth being the Y axis and the lie being the X axis. All truth and lies are able to be charted on a spherical cartesian coordinate system. Anyway, thank you for your kind welcome message. I might decide to let the article go and let the world fight over the truth, lies and compliancy of it all, without me. (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mini4WD&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mini4WD (page does not exist)">Mini4WD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mini4WD" title="User talk:Mini4WD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Mini4WD-2020-09-25T14:53:00.000Z-Thank_you_for_the_kind_welcome" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 25 September 2020 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mini4WD-2020-09-25T14:53:00.000Z-Thank_you_for_the_kind_welcome"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mini4WD-2020-09-25T14:53:00.000Z-Thank_you_for_the_kind_welcome"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-09-26T00:49:00.000Z-Mini4WD-2020-09-25T14:53:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mini4WD&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mini4WD (page does not exist)">Mini4WD</a>:</span>, you can use your personal <a href="/wiki/Help:My_sandbox" title="Help:My sandbox">sandbox</a> rather than the article itself as your own scratch paper. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OR">Original research</a> is forbidden, so if there is something you think you think you know is true and relevant, the best thing would be to put it in your sandbox, then you can go find reliable sources backing it up and once you have the source, you can put it in. If you find something in the article that is not properly sourced (for example, does not have sources, is sourced to forum posts, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPS">self published websites</a>, remove it, and make a note in the edit summary why you removed it. The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BURDEN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BURDEN">WP:BURDEN</a> falls on people adding or adding back to produce sources directly supporting the inserted claim. If you have respected hobby magazines and like that's not available online(likely common for 70s and 80s periodicals) , you're certainly welcome to use that information too and cite the name, issue, and page number. If you believe existing contents are wrong, but it is properly cited, you're welcome to find another reliable source and share what the other source says along side it. This is explained in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VNT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VNT">WP:VNT</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-09-26T00:49:00.000Z-Mini4WD-2020-09-25T14:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 26 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-09-26T00:49:00.000Z-Mini4WD-2020-09-25T14:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-09-26T00:49:00.000Z-Mini4WD-2020-09-25T14:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thanks_for_cleaning_up_the_MIni_4WD_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thanks_for_cleaning_up_the_MIni_4WD_article-2020-09-26T06:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thanks_for_cleaning_up_the_MIni_4WD_article-2020-09-26T06:29:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for cleaning up the MIni 4WD article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thanks_for_cleaning_up_the_MIni_4WD_article-2020-09-26T06:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Thanks for cleaning up the MIni 4WD article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yuuyatails-2020-09-26T06:29:00.000Z-Thanks_for_cleaning_up_the_MIni_4WD_article"></span>Hello, this is Yuuyatails. </p><p>I noticed that you had cleaned up the <a href="/wiki/Mini_4WD" title="Mini 4WD">Mini 4WD</a> article. That article was filled with a lot of unreliable sources and false information prior to the clean-up. The reason why it hasn't been clean-up is that the Mini4WD guy had shown some hostile attitude toward other contributors who tries to clean-up the article or tries to talk him out. </p><p>I want to say, thank you. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yuuyatails&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yuuyatails (page does not exist)">Yuuyatails</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yuuyatails" title="User talk:Yuuyatails">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Yuuyatails-2020-09-26T06:29:00.000Z-Thanks_for_cleaning_up_the_MIni_4WD_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:29, 26 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yuuyatails-2020-09-26T06:29:00.000Z-Thanks_for_cleaning_up_the_MIni_4WD_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yuuyatails-2020-09-26T06:29:00.000Z-Thanks_for_cleaning_up_the_MIni_4WD_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-09-26T08:05:00.000Z-Yuuyatails-2020-09-26T06:29:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yuuyatails&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yuuyatails (page does not exist)">Yuuyatails</a>:</span>, still though, its looking a bit too much like Tamiya fan POV. I don't think we need product releases of specific models. It's a general encyclopedia after all. Contents should be discussed on the article's page.. so edit warring can be avoided between all parties. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-09-26T08:05:00.000Z-Yuuyatails-2020-09-26T06:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:05, 26 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-09-26T08:05:00.000Z-Yuuyatails-2020-09-26T06:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-09-26T08:05:00.000Z-Yuuyatails-2020-09-26T06:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pending_changes_reviewer_granted" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pending_changes_reviewer_granted-2020-09-29T00:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pending_changes_reviewer_granted-2020-09-29T00:17:00.000Z"></span>Pending changes reviewer granted<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pending_changes_reviewer_granted-2020-09-29T00:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Pending changes reviewer granted"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GeneralNotability-2020-09-29T00:17:00.000Z-Pending_changes_reviewer_granted"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia_Reviewer.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Wikipedia_Reviewer.svg/130px-Wikipedia_Reviewer.svg.png" decoding="async" width="130" height="130" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Wikipedia_Reviewer.svg/195px-Wikipedia_Reviewer.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Wikipedia_Reviewer.svg/260px-Wikipedia_Reviewer.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Hello. 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Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:Magnolia677" title="User:Magnolia677">Magnolia677</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Magnolia677" title="User talk:Magnolia677">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Magnolia677-2020-09-30T18:56:00.000Z-Lake_Oswego,_Oregon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Magnolia677-2020-09-30T18:56:00.000Z-Lake_Oswego,_Oregon"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Magnolia677-2020-09-30T18:56:00.000Z-Lake_Oswego,_Oregon"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Teahouse_talkback:_you've_got_messages!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Teahouse_talkback:_you've_got_messages!-2020-10-02T18:12:00.000Z"><span id="Teahouse_talkback:_you.27ve_got_messages.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Teahouse_talkback:_you've_got_messages!-2020-10-02T18:12:00.000Z"></span>Teahouse talkback: you've got messages!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Teahouse_talkback:_you've_got_messages!-2020-10-02T18:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Teahouse talkback: you've got messages!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Biddulph-2020-10-02T18:12:00.000Z-Teahouse_talkback:_you've_got_messages!"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256396942">.mw-parser-output .umbox{background-color:var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff);border:1px solid var(--border-color-progressive,#36c);padding:0.5em 1em;margin:2em 0 1em;font-weight:bold;overflow:auto;vertical-align:middle}</style> <div class="umbox" style="background-color:#e1e6db; border: 1px solid #3FBFFF; textstyle = color: #6D7184;"><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#Talk_page_code_breaking_viewability" title="Wikipedia:Teahouse"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/WP_teahouse_logo_3.png/40px-WP_teahouse_logo_3.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/WP_teahouse_logo_3.png/60px-WP_teahouse_logo_3.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/WP_teahouse_logo_3.png/80px-WP_teahouse_logo_3.png 2x" data-file-width="101" data-file-height="101"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><b>Hello, Graywalls. Your question has been answered at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#Talk_page_code_breaking_viewability" title="Wikipedia:Teahouse">Teahouse Q&A board</a>. Feel free to reply there!</b><br/> <span class="plainlinks" style="font-size: 88%; font-weight: normal;">Please note that all old questions are <a href="/wiki/Help:Archiving_a_talk_page" title="Help:Archiving a talk page">archived</a> after 2-3 days of inactivity. Message added by <a href="/wiki/User:David_Biddulph" title="User:David Biddulph">David Biddulph</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Biddulph" title="User talk:David Biddulph">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-David_Biddulph-2020-10-02T18:12:00.000Z-Teahouse_talkback:_you've_got_messages!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 2 October 2020 (UTC)</a>. (You can <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit">remove this notice</a> at any time by removing the {{teahouse talkback}} template).<span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Biddulph-2020-10-02T18:12:00.000Z-Teahouse_talkback:_you've_got_messages!"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Biddulph-2020-10-02T18:12:00.000Z-Teahouse_talkback:_you've_got_messages!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Indymedia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Indymedia-2020-10-03T14:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Indymedia-2020-10-03T14:57:00.000Z"></span>Indymedia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Indymedia-2020-10-03T14:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Indymedia"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mujinga-2020-10-03T14:57:00.000Z-Indymedia"></span>Hi I just noticed your <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dutch_squatting_ban&oldid=981512776">edit summary</a> at <a href="/wiki/Dutch_squatting_ban" title="Dutch squatting ban">Dutch squatting ban</a>, which is a weird coincidence because I also edited several hours ago to add the 2020 events. The summary was as follows <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">debris removal. see WP:RSP about the use of the disreputable source Indymedia. Also removing squat.net self published clutter, as well as n-1.cc stuff.</q>. First off and as previously mentioned, I don't find terms like debris, disreputable, clutter helpful, it just seems to foster a battleground atmosphere. Secondly and more importantly, where is the RSP consensus on Indymedia? Because I am not seeing it and I dn't think there is one. With self-published sources, I would argue that context is everything. I'll take a look at the edit in more detail now. <a href="/wiki/User:Mujinga" title="User:Mujinga">Mujinga</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mujinga" title="User talk:Mujinga">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Mujinga-2020-10-03T14:57:00.000Z-Indymedia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 3 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mujinga-2020-10-03T14:57:00.000Z-Indymedia"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mujinga-2020-10-03T14:57:00.000Z-Indymedia"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-10-03T18:19:00.000Z-Indymedia"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mujinga" title="User:Mujinga">Mujinga</a>:</span>, Looking through pages that are connected, linked. I do that. Please see "Independent Media Center (Indymedia, IMC)</dd></dl> <p>The Independent Media Center is an open publishing network. Editors express low confidence in Indymedia's reputation for fact-checking, and consider Indymedia a self-published source." about halfway down <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSP">WP:RSP</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-10-03T18:19:00.000Z-Indymedia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 3 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-10-03T18:19:00.000Z-Indymedia"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-10-03T18:19:00.000Z-Indymedia"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mujinga-2020-10-04T10:21:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-03T18:19:00.000Z"></span>Great thanks for the information, I can better understand your position now. I was going through the RSP archives and didn't see any consensus, so I will take that further. I'll be sure to keep you updated! <a href="/wiki/User:Mujinga" title="User:Mujinga">Mujinga</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mujinga" title="User talk:Mujinga">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Mujinga-2020-10-04T10:21:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-03T18:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 4 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mujinga-2020-10-04T10:21:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-03T18:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mujinga-2020-10-04T10:21:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-03T18:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Anarchism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Anarchism-2020-10-06T07:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Anarchism-2020-10-06T07:26:00.000Z"></span>Anarchism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Anarchism-2020-10-06T07:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Anarchism"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Czar-2020-10-06T07:26:00.000Z-Anarchism"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Pour_1973_1.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Pour_1973_1.jpg/100px-Pour_1973_1.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="128" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Pour_1973_1.jpg/150px-Pour_1973_1.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Pour_1973_1.jpg/200px-Pour_1973_1.jpg 2x" data-file-width="463" data-file-height="591"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> Hi Graywalls, </p><p>I saw <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Graywalls" title="Special:Contributions/Graywalls">your work</a> on articles related to anarchism and wanted to say hello, as I work in the topic area too. If you haven't already, you might want to <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anarchism&action=watch">watch</a></span> our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anarchism" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anarchism">noticeboard for Wikipedia's coverage of anarchism</a>, which is a great place to ask questions, collaborate, discuss style/structure precedent, and stay informed about content related to anarchism. Take a look for yourself! </p><p>And if you're looking for other juicy places to edit, consider <a href="/wiki/Category:Anarchism_stubs" title="Category:Anarchism stubs">expanding a stub</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/bambots/cwb/bycat/Anarchism.html">adopting a cleanup category</a>, or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anarchism/Article_alerts" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Anarchism/Article alerts">participating in one of our current formal discussions</a>. </p><p>Feel free to say hi on my talk page and let me know if these links were helpful (or at least interesting). Hope to see you around. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Czar" title="User talk:Czar"><span style="font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D">czar</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Czar-2020-10-06T07:26:00.000Z-Anarchism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:26, 6 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Czar-2020-10-06T07:26:00.000Z-Anarchism"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Czar-2020-10-06T07:26:00.000Z-Anarchism"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ketch" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ketch-2020-10-16T12:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ketch-2020-10-16T12:27:00.000Z"></span>Ketch<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ketch-2020-10-16T12:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Ketch"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cornellier-2020-10-16T12:27:00.000Z-Ketch"></span>You deleted text ref'd by <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.practical-sailor.com/blog/a-one-sided-defense-of-the-cruising-ketch">this</a>. It looks to me like a legit source. Please explain. --<a href="/wiki/User:Cornellier" title="User:Cornellier">Cornellier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cornellier" title="User talk:Cornellier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Cornellier-2020-10-16T12:27:00.000Z-Ketch" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:27, 16 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cornellier-2020-10-16T12:27:00.000Z-Ketch"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cornellier-2020-10-16T12:27:00.000Z-Ketch"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-10-16T12:42:00.000Z-Cornellier-2020-10-16T12:27:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Cornellier" title="User:Cornellier">Cornellier</a>:</span>, The source does look legit, but the way it's written, it wasn't quite clear if it was directly supporting what the wiki article said, which is "Staysails can also be hoisted between the top of the mizzen mast and base of the mainmast to help downwind performance". I put the contested content back in. Please see if you find the source directly supporting what it is saying. Secondly, the ASA article says "Like cutter rigs, ketch advocates also sing praises for its characteristics in heavier winds." This is an opinion statement. I wouldn't say it's a factual statement of "has an advantage". <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-10-16T12:42:00.000Z-Cornellier-2020-10-16T12:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 16 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-10-16T12:42:00.000Z-Cornellier-2020-10-16T12:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-10-16T12:42:00.000Z-Cornellier-2020-10-16T12:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cornellier-2020-10-16T13:40:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-16T12:42:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, gave it a bit of a copyedit and added a new link. Not sure if this is encapsulated in WP policy, but I think generally "blogs" have become more acceptable as refs. Once they were considered "self published" diaries, but nowadays there is a blurring of the distinction between a blog article and a magazine article, depending on the authority of the writer. --<a href="/wiki/User:Cornellier" title="User:Cornellier">Cornellier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cornellier" title="User talk:Cornellier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Cornellier-2020-10-16T13:40:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-16T12:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 16 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cornellier-2020-10-16T13:40:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-16T12:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cornellier-2020-10-16T13:40:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-16T12:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-10-16T13:59:00.000Z-Cornellier-2020-10-16T13:40:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Cornellier" title="User:Cornellier">Cornellier</a>:</span>, it can be hard to distinguish. The practical-sailor's that particular article looks like it is alright since it says he's the editor rather than a user submitted contribution. You may find the explanations listed under <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FORBESCON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FORBESCON">WP:FORBESCON</a>, as well as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLOG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLOG">WP:BLOG</a> Either way, how do these sources directly arrive to your factual conclusion "that it is less efficient than a sloop when sailing to windward."? I'm seeing "they say", "critics" and opinions that can't be presented as facts. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-10-16T13:59:00.000Z-Cornellier-2020-10-16T13:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 16 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-10-16T13:59:00.000Z-Cornellier-2020-10-16T13:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-10-16T13:59:00.000Z-Cornellier-2020-10-16T13:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cornellier-2020-10-16T14:39:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-16T13:59:00.000Z"></span>Uh, OK, I don't have time for this right now, so i'll just revert my work. But as far as opinions and facts are concerned you might as well delete everything that isn't ref'd by merriam-webster.com, dictionary.com, and the National Museum of American History since at the end of the day they're all just the writers' opinions. --<a href="/wiki/User:Cornellier" title="User:Cornellier">Cornellier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cornellier" title="User talk:Cornellier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Cornellier-2020-10-16T14:39:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-16T13:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 16 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cornellier-2020-10-16T14:39:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-16T13:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cornellier-2020-10-16T14:39:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-16T13:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RDA_and_RDB" data-mw-thread-id="h-RDA_and_RDB-2020-10-16T22:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RDA_and_RDB-2020-10-16T22:24:00.000Z"></span>RDA and RDB<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RDA_and_RDB-2020-10-16T22:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: RDA and RDB"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Comfr-2020-10-16T22:24:00.000Z-RDA_and_RDB"></span>I share your concern about promotional materials getting into wikipedia, and appreciate the time you take to identify and remove such materials. </p><p>I use ceramic tweezers for working on tiny electronic parts. Ceramic tweezers are hard, precise, non-conductive, and don't wear. I have been using ceramic tweezers long before there was any such thing as vaping. </p><p>After breaking a few tweezers, I began to look for replacements. Many of the vendors stated that their product was suitable for RDA, RDB, or similar. For example: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.amazon.com/FIXFANS-Cutter-Pliers-Ceramic-Tweezers/dp/B07FD71YGN">[1]</a>. I did not know what RDA or RDB might stand for, but I wanted to learn. </p><p>I spent several hours searching for the meaning of these acronyms, until I came upon the <a href="/wiki/Construction_of_electronic_cigarettes" title="Construction of electronic cigarettes">Construction of electronic cigarettes</a> article in wikipedia, where they were defined. I thought I would save other readers the same frustration, by adding the initialisms to disambiguation pages. Had theses initialisms originally been on disambiguation pages, I would found them immediately. </p><p>Despite my personal preference not to use chemicals for recreational purposes, I think wikipedia readers deserved to know what the initialisms mean. I have reviewed the <a href="/wiki/MOS:DAB" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:DAB">MOS:DAB</a> page, the initialisms I entered seem to meet the all the requirements. Perhaps you have more experience in this area, and you can tell me where else to look. I am always trying to learn more about wikipedia policies. </p><p>Thanks for your work to improve wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Comfr" title="User:Comfr">Comfr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Comfr" title="User talk:Comfr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Comfr-2020-10-16T22:24:00.000Z-RDA_and_RDB" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 16 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Comfr-2020-10-16T22:24:00.000Z-RDA_and_RDB"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Comfr-2020-10-16T22:24:00.000Z-RDA_and_RDB"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-10-16T22:46:00.000Z-Comfr-2020-10-16T22:24:00.000Z"></span>My concern is that it's too many for a three letter abbreviations for something so obscure and specific like MOD - microwave oven fan, MSW for mouse scroll wheel and such. That whole E-cig article is a huge mess btw. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-10-16T22:46:00.000Z-Comfr-2020-10-16T22:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 16 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-10-16T22:46:00.000Z-Comfr-2020-10-16T22:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-10-16T22:46:00.000Z-Comfr-2020-10-16T22:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Comfr-2020-10-20T19:51:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-16T22:46:00.000Z"></span>I agree. We live in a world of three letter acronyms, especially in the space industry, where everything has an acronym. Fortunately, wikipedia disambiguation pages have helped me navigate through the sea of acronyms. Understandably, disambiguation pages will lose their value if they become clogged seldom-used acronyms.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Fortunately a filter is applied by <a href="/wiki/MOS:DABENTRY" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:DABENTRY">MOS:DABENTRY</a>, which requires "exactly one navigable (blue) link to efficiently guide readers to the most relevant article for that use of the ambiguous term." The terms RDA and RDB followed that rule, and are defined in the E-cig article. However, neither MOD nor MSW appear in the articles <a href="/wiki/Microwave_oven" title="Microwave oven">microwave oven</a> or <a href="/wiki/Mouse_scroll_wheel" class="mw-redirect" title="Mouse scroll wheel">mouse scroll wheel</a>.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Can you think of other objective ways to filter the contents of disambiguation pages? Would you consider updating the MOS page? <a href="/wiki/User:Comfr" title="User:Comfr">Comfr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Comfr" title="User talk:Comfr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Comfr-2020-10-20T19:51:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-16T22:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:51, 20 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Comfr-2020-10-20T19:51:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-16T22:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Comfr-2020-10-20T19:51:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-16T22:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-10-20T21:15:00.000Z-Comfr-2020-10-20T19:51:00.000Z"></span>Defined in the ecig article, but who defined it? Do reliable sources use it? I'm only seeing vendor pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-10-20T21:15:00.000Z-Comfr-2020-10-20T19:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:15, 20 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-10-20T21:15:00.000Z-Comfr-2020-10-20T19:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-10-20T21:15:00.000Z-Comfr-2020-10-20T19:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Comfr-2020-10-22T02:43:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-20T21:15:00.000Z"></span>You bring up a good point. Thanks. At least one of the references is a trade journal that uses both RBA and RDA. I assume they have editorial control. There also are many more references in the article to vendor pages. I would like a reference to NYT or WSJ, but no such thing in this article. I found archived versions of two references, and added them to the article. The more time I spend on this article, the more repulsive vaping seems. But that is only my personal opinion. <a href="/wiki/User:Comfr" title="User:Comfr">Comfr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Comfr" title="User talk:Comfr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Comfr-2020-10-22T02:43:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-20T21:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:43, 22 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Comfr-2020-10-22T02:43:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-20T21:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Comfr-2020-10-22T02:43:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-20T21:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-10-22T19:09:00.000Z-Comfr-2020-10-22T02:43:00.000Z"></span>Journals such as and would you actually suggest our disambig lists be populated with every abbreviations we can find in PMID articles like this <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2902006/">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2902006/</a>, biology, chemistry, or internal transmission parts abbreviation SAE journals can come up with? I just feel that you're talking about such obscure things that it doesn't really merit it. The page on the construction of ecigs definitely needs to have vendor-page based contents substantially trimmed out. Also, after looking at several disambig, the ones I've looked at so far only go as far as the main page of the article, not into sections, but I've only looked at a few. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.matec-conferences.org/articles/matecconf/pdf/2018/66/matecconf_icmmpm2018_03025.pdf">https://www.matec-conferences.org/articles/matecconf/pdf/2018/66/matecconf_icmmpm2018_03025.pdf</a> Here, you'll see the surface material used on clutch plates called "clutch friction material" and abbreviated CFM. Well, I'm not totally convinced creating a disamig for CFM to <a href="/wiki/Clutch#Materials" title="Clutch">Clutch#Materials</a> or creating disambig for SM to <a href="/wiki/Manual_transmission#Synchromesh" title="Manual transmission">Manual_transmission#Synchromesh</a> would be appropraite even though I can find such usage <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=hKlfEB8tkcAC&pg=PA738">https://books.google.com/books?id=hKlfEB8tkcAC&pg=PA738</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-10-22T19:09:00.000Z-Comfr-2020-10-22T02:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 22 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-10-22T19:09:00.000Z-Comfr-2020-10-22T02:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-10-22T19:09:00.000Z-Comfr-2020-10-22T02:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Comfr-2020-10-22T21:14:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-22T19:09:00.000Z"></span>I responded only to your reasonable concern about who defined the acronym. You have demonstrated that reliable sources use many acronyms that might overwhelm our disambiguation pages. We are still left with no objective criteria for deciding which acronyms are eligible for disambiguation. <a href="/wiki/User:Comfr" title="User:Comfr">Comfr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Comfr" title="User talk:Comfr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Comfr-2020-10-22T21:14:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-22T19:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 22 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Comfr-2020-10-22T21:14:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-22T19:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Comfr-2020-10-22T21:14:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-22T19:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Comfr-2020-10-22T19:00:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-20T21:15:00.000Z"></span>I have found at least 7 trade journals references that define RBA and/or RDA. There are many more, if you include referenced vendor pages. Outside wikipedia, I see literally hundreds of examples, such as the Amazon page. It seems to meet all the requirements of MOS:DABENTRY. <a href="/wiki/User:Comfr" title="User:Comfr">Comfr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Comfr" title="User talk:Comfr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Comfr-2020-10-22T19:00:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-20T21:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 22 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Comfr-2020-10-22T19:00:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-20T21:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Comfr-2020-10-22T19:00:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-10-20T21:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_look_to_a_draft" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_look_to_a_draft-2020-10-21T16:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_look_to_a_draft-2020-10-21T16:28:00.000Z"></span>A look to a draft<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_look_to_a_draft-2020-10-21T16:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: A look to a draft"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Clementeste-2020-10-21T16:28:00.000Z-A_look_to_a_draft"></span>Hi <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a>:</span>! Recently I've been working on the draft of a biography and I think it's ready to be moved to the principal article, but it don't seems well to me to do it myself, so I requested someone else to do the job. I saw that you have contributed with some biographies, would you mind to give a look to the draft in which I've been working? Yo can foun it here: <a href="/wiki/Draft:Leo_J._Trese" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Leo J. Trese">Draft:Leo_J._Trese</a>. Thanks in advance! <a href="/wiki/User:Clementeste" title="User:Clementeste"><span style="color:#0080ff"><b>Clementeste</b></span></a><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Clementeste" title="User talk:Clementeste">Talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Clementeste-2020-10-21T16:28:00.000Z-A_look_to_a_draft" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Clementeste-2020-10-21T16:28:00.000Z-A_look_to_a_draft"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Clementeste-2020-10-21T16:28:00.000Z-A_look_to_a_draft"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_edit_in_HGO" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_edit_in_HGO-2020-10-24T08:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_edit_in_HGO-2020-10-24T08:35:00.000Z"></span>Your edit in HGO<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_edit_in_HGO-2020-10-24T08:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Your edit in HGO"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smerus-2020-10-24T08:35:00.000Z-Your_edit_in_HGO"></span>Hi Graywalls! You edited the HGO article lead to read "its objectives are educate the public education in the art and science of music,...." Could I ask you to adjust that to, say "to advance public education in the art and science of muisc...", so as to be gramatically correct and to avoid replication of 'education'.? Thanks, --<a href="/wiki/User:Smerus" title="User:Smerus">Smerus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smerus" title="User talk:Smerus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Smerus-2020-10-24T08:35:00.000Z-Your_edit_in_HGO" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:35, 24 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smerus-2020-10-24T08:35:00.000Z-Your_edit_in_HGO"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smerus-2020-10-24T08:35:00.000Z-Your_edit_in_HGO"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why-2020-11-09T00:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why-2020-11-09T00:37:00.000Z"></span>Why<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why-2020-11-09T00:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Why"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-100.6.117.196-2020-11-09T00:37:00.000Z-Why"></span>Why are railfans unreliable sources?? --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/100.6.117.196" title="Special:Contributions/100.6.117.196">100.6.117.196</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:100.6.117.196" title="User talk:100.6.117.196">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-100.6.117.196-2020-11-09T00:37:00.000Z-Why" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:37, 9 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-100.6.117.196-2020-11-09T00:37:00.000Z-Why"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-100.6.117.196-2020-11-09T00:37:00.000Z-Why"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_Request_on_Concord_Law_School" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_Request_on_Concord_Law_School-2020-11-19T16:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_Request_on_Concord_Law_School-2020-11-19T16:32:00.000Z"></span>Edit Request on Concord Law School<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_Request_on_Concord_Law_School-2020-11-19T16:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Edit Request on Concord Law School"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ewqwdqemdh-2020-11-19T16:32:00.000Z-Edit_Request_on_Concord_Law_School"></span>Hi Graywalls. I put together a response to your query on my requested edit on <a href="/wiki/Concord_Law_School" class="mw-redirect" title="Concord Law School">Concord Law School</a>. Would you take a look and revise? The edit to Concord's accreditation status made by user TJRC, which is currently live, is incorrect and misleading. Please review the source material I provide in my reply on the Talk page. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Ewqwdqemdh" title="User:Ewqwdqemdh">Ewqwdqemdh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ewqwdqemdh" title="User talk:Ewqwdqemdh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Ewqwdqemdh-2020-11-19T16:32:00.000Z-Edit_Request_on_Concord_Law_School" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 19 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ewqwdqemdh-2020-11-19T16:32:00.000Z-Edit_Request_on_Concord_Law_School"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ewqwdqemdh-2020-11-19T16:32:00.000Z-Edit_Request_on_Concord_Law_School"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bottle_Bill_edit_unclear" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bottle_Bill_edit_unclear-2020-11-19T18:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bottle_Bill_edit_unclear-2020-11-19T18:36:00.000Z"></span>Bottle Bill edit unclear<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bottle_Bill_edit_unclear-2020-11-19T18:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Bottle Bill edit unclear"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EncMstr-2020-11-19T18:36:00.000Z-Bottle_Bill_edit_unclear"></span>Hi Graywalls, I just noticed an edit you made in the last few hours is confusing. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oregon_Bottle_Bill&curid=605698&diff=989547827&oldid=989422567">This change</a> appears to contain a typo: "disbursed $19.08 million in 2018 and $17.05 in $17.05 to distributor members". Would you mind clarifying or correcting? Thanks, —<a href="/wiki/User:EncMstr" title="User:EncMstr">EncMstr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EncMstr" title="User talk:EncMstr">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-EncMstr-2020-11-19T18:36:00.000Z-Bottle_Bill_edit_unclear" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 19 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EncMstr-2020-11-19T18:36:00.000Z-Bottle_Bill_edit_unclear"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EncMstr-2020-11-19T18:36:00.000Z-Bottle_Bill_edit_unclear"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-11-19T19:37:00.000Z-EncMstr-2020-11-19T18:36:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:EncMstr" title="User:EncMstr">EncMstr</a>:</span>, thank you for pointing this out. That version should have never made it into the article. Do you find it clear now? <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-11-19T19:37:00.000Z-EncMstr-2020-11-19T18:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 19 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-11-19T19:37:00.000Z-EncMstr-2020-11-19T18:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-11-19T19:37:00.000Z-EncMstr-2020-11-19T18:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EncMstr-2020-11-19T20:38:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-11-19T19:37:00.000Z"></span>Much better! 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If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:NoACEMM" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:NoACEMM">NoACEMM</a>}}</code> to your user talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2020-11-24T02:59:00.000Z-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:59, 24 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2020-11-24T02:59:00.000Z-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2020-11-24T02:59:00.000Z-ArbCom_2020_Elections_voter_message"></span> </p> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fifth_Column" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fifth_Column-2020-11-30T14:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fifth_Column-2020-11-30T14:37:00.000Z"></span>Fifth Column<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fifth_Column-2020-11-30T14:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Fifth Column"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mansheimer-2020-11-30T14:37:00.000Z-Fifth_Column"></span>Hi, how do you feel about helping tackle the issues with <a href="/wiki/Fifth_Column_(band)" title="Fifth Column (band)">Fifth Column (band)</a>? The entire article is almost completely unsourced and like <a href="/wiki/G._B._Jones" title="G. B. Jones">G. B. Jones</a>, there appears to be COI in connection with <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Intheshadows&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Intheshadows (page does not exist)">User:Intheshadows</a> and their recent IPs. On the COI issue, digging through the histories of all the articles connected with this user, there are IP edits in a similar pattern going back to 2004-2005. I'm also unsure as to whether the other two band members, <a href="/wiki/Caroline_Azar" title="Caroline Azar">Caroline Azar</a> and <a href="/wiki/Beverly_Breckenridge" title="Beverly Breckenridge">Beverly Breckenridge</a>, meet notability requirements. Possibly the former, but the latter seems doubtful. <a href="/wiki/User:Mansheimer" title="User:Mansheimer">Mansheimer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mansheimer" title="User talk:Mansheimer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Mansheimer-2020-11-30T14:37:00.000Z-Fifth_Column" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 30 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mansheimer-2020-11-30T14:37:00.000Z-Fifth_Column"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mansheimer-2020-11-30T14:37:00.000Z-Fifth_Column"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2020-11-30T23:03:00.000Z-Mansheimer-2020-11-30T14:37:00.000Z"></span>I wouldn't object to deleting it, although it can be time consuming to do the background research to start the AfD. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) 23:03, 30 November 2020 (UTC) <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Mansheimer" title="User:Mansheimer">Mansheimer</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2020-11-30T23:03:00.000Z-Mansheimer-2020-11-30T14:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:03, 30 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2020-11-30T23:03:00.000Z-Mansheimer-2020-11-30T14:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2020-11-30T23:03:00.000Z-Mansheimer-2020-11-30T14:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mansheimer-2020-12-08T17:26:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-11-30T23:03:00.000Z"></span>The band is I assume sufficiently notable for inclusion, though given the wall of unsourced text in the current version, an AfD might be a good idea since it could help get other editors interested in tracking down reliable sources, if any exist, should it survive the process. Either way, the current article is a badly written mess and most of it probably needs to be rewritten anyway due to the COI, which has obviously been a problem going back many years (all the IPs that contributed the most text can be geolocated to Toronto) and no one appears to have bothered bringing up the COI issue until you did. I've done a general search for sources and there are a few articles that pop up (there's a film review of a documentary about the band from <a href="/wiki/The_Quietus" title="The Quietus">The Quietus</a>, for instance <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://thequietus.com/articles/11858-5th-column-review-melissa-steiner">[2]</a>), but I'm not sure any of them meet the standards of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>/<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a>. What do you think? <a href="/wiki/User:Mansheimer" title="User:Mansheimer">Mansheimer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mansheimer" title="User talk:Mansheimer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Mansheimer-2020-12-08T17:26:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-11-30T23:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 8 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mansheimer-2020-12-08T17:26:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-11-30T23:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mansheimer-2020-12-08T17:26:00.000Z-Graywalls-2020-11-30T23:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deleting_all_the_railroad_material" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deleting_all_the_railroad_material-2020-12-21T23:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deleting_all_the_railroad_material-2020-12-21T23:52:00.000Z"></span>Deleting all the railroad material<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deleting_all_the_railroad_material-2020-12-21T23:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Deleting all the railroad material"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-108.17.71.32-2020-12-21T23:52:00.000Z-Deleting_all_the_railroad_material"></span>The diesel shop is reliable as it is souced from GE rosters so stop removing it, as well as Utah Rails no it is not fan cruft it's about trains why shouldn't it be there because the people going to the article are expecting trains and the utah rails site the man who made it worked with the Union Pacific Historical Society so stop removing it also stop deleting all the railfan stuff i see you think that you found a gold mine of fancruft but it is not it is information so stop with the crusade against railfan "fancruft" --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/108.17.71.32" title="Special:Contributions/108.17.71.32">108.17.71.32</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:108.17.71.32" title="User talk:108.17.71.32">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-108.17.71.32-2020-12-21T23:52:00.000Z-Deleting_all_the_railroad_material" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:52, 21 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-108.17.71.32-2020-12-21T23:52:00.000Z-Deleting_all_the_railroad_material"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-108.17.71.32-2020-12-21T23:52:00.000Z-Deleting_all_the_railroad_material"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Undisclosed_pay" data-mw-thread-id="h-Undisclosed_pay-2021-01-29T17:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Undisclosed_pay-2021-01-29T17:45:00.000Z"></span>Undisclosed pay<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Undisclosed_pay-2021-01-29T17:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Undisclosed pay"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eccekevin-2021-01-29T17:45:00.000Z-Undisclosed_pay"></span>I noticed you added {Undisclosed paid} tag for <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Achagerty&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Achagerty (page does not exist)">User:Achagerty</a> on the page <a href="/wiki/Ellerbe_Becket" title="Ellerbe Becket">Ellerbe Becket</a>. Was just wondering how you found out.<a href="/wiki/User:Eccekevin" title="User:Eccekevin">Eccekevin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eccekevin" title="User talk:Eccekevin">talk</a>) 17:45, 29 January 2021 (UTC) <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Eccekevin" title="User:Eccekevin">Eccekevin</a>:</span>, per <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Undisclosed_paid">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Undisclosed_paid</a> , these templates can be placed when article appears to have been UPE. The edit history of that user is quite indicative of UPE. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Eccekevin-2021-01-29T17:45:00.000Z-Undisclosed_pay" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 29 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eccekevin-2021-01-29T17:45:00.000Z-Undisclosed_pay"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eccekevin-2021-01-29T17:45:00.000Z-Undisclosed_pay"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Don't_understand" data-mw-thread-id="h-Don't_understand-2021-02-03T16:31:00.000Z"><span id="Don.27t_understand"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Don't_understand-2021-02-03T16:31:00.000Z"></span>Don't understand<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Don't_understand-2021-02-03T16:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Don't understand"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eliswinterabend-2021-02-03T16:31:00.000Z-Don't_understand"></span>Hi. I don't understand why you deleted my edit to "List of books about anarchism." I also don't understand Wiki-speak. For reference: </p><p>Revision as of 15:03, 3 February 2021 (edit) NorsemanII (talk | contribs) (Reverting edit by User:Graywalls - links to the full text are useful, do not repeat this edit without discussion on talk page. Reverted edit by User:Eliswinterabend, unable to find an appropriate reference regarding your addition. <span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Eliswinterabend" title="User:Eliswinterabend">Eliswinterabend</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eliswinterabend#top" title="User talk:Eliswinterabend">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eliswinterabend" title="Special:Contributions/Eliswinterabend">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Eliswinterabend-2021-02-03T16:31:00.000Z-Don't_understand" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 3 February 2021 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eliswinterabend-2021-02-03T16:31:00.000Z-Don't_understand"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eliswinterabend-2021-02-03T16:31:00.000Z-Don't_understand"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Updates_for_ADM_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Updates_for_ADM_article-2021-02-03T22:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Updates_for_ADM_article-2021-02-03T22:08:00.000Z"></span>Updates for ADM article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Updates_for_ADM_article-2021-02-03T22:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Updates for ADM article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ADM_DavidW-2021-02-03T22:08:00.000Z-Updates_for_ADM_article"></span>Hello! David here with <a href="/wiki/ADM_(company)" class="mw-redirect" title="ADM (company)">Archer-Daniels-Midland Company</a>. You've helped me with several requests at <a href="/wiki/Talk:ADM_(company)" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:ADM (company)">Talk:ADM (company)</a> to update basic product information. There are currently two outstanding requests: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Talk:ADM_(company)#Request_to_add_flour_milling" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:ADM (company)">one to add mention of flour milling</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Talk:ADM_(company)#Request_to_add_vanilla" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:ADM (company)">another to add mention of vanilla</a></li></ul> <p>For the vanilla request, you'll see I've shared additional sources as you requested. Do you have a moment to take another look and update the article? Thanks again! <a href="/wiki/User:ADM_DavidW" title="User:ADM DavidW">ADM DavidW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ADM_DavidW" title="User talk:ADM DavidW">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-ADM_DavidW-2021-02-03T22:08:00.000Z-Updates_for_ADM_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ADM_DavidW-2021-02-03T22:08:00.000Z-Updates_for_ADM_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ADM_DavidW-2021-02-03T22:08:00.000Z-Updates_for_ADM_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CorporateM-2021-03-04T23:11:00.000Z-ADM_DavidW-2021-02-03T22:08:00.000Z"></span>Hello again! Thanks for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ADM_%28company%29&type=revision&diff=1008745791&oldid=1008570969">your recent</a> improvement to the ADM article. I submitted a (seemingly uncontroversial) request <a href="/wiki/Talk:ADM_(company)#Request_to_add_flour_milling" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:ADM (company)">here</a> to add mention of flour milling, but the discussion shifted to a larger (and legitimate, I think) one about how products and services should be displayed. I've tried to get <a href="/wiki/User:CorporateM" title="User:CorporateM">User:CorporateM</a> to revisit the discussion twice, but I've seen no replies or updates to the article. I was curious if you had any thoughts; at minimum, I am hoping you might be able to respond to the original flour mill request before that gets lost in the shuffle. I'm trying to balance addressing material gaps and inaccuracies in the article with not being pushy or overstepping. Thanks in advance for any additional help or feedback. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-CorporateM-2021-03-04T23:11:00.000Z-ADM_DavidW-2021-02-03T22:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 4 March 2021 (UTC)</a> <span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:ADM_DavidW" title="User:ADM DavidW">ADM DavidW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ADM_DavidW#top" title="User talk:ADM DavidW">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ADM_DavidW" title="Special:Contributions/ADM DavidW">contribs</a>) <span data-mw-comment-end="c-CorporateM-2021-03-04T23:11:00.000Z-ADM_DavidW-2021-02-03T22:08:00.000Z"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CorporateM-2021-03-04T23:11:00.000Z-ADM_DavidW-2021-02-03T22:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A7_on_Advanced_Technology_College_Mekelle" data-mw-thread-id="h-A7_on_Advanced_Technology_College_Mekelle-2021-02-14T02:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A7_on_Advanced_Technology_College_Mekelle-2021-02-14T02:37:00.000Z"></span>A7 on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Advanced_Technology_College_Mekelle&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Advanced Technology College Mekelle (page does not exist)">Advanced Technology College Mekelle</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-A7_on_Advanced_Technology_College_Mekelle-2021-02-14T02:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: A7 on Advanced Technology College Mekelle"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Espresso_Addict-2021-02-14T02:37:00.000Z-A7_on_Advanced_Technology_College_Mekelle"></span>Hi Graywalls -- I've declined the above as educational institutions are exempt from A7. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espresso_Addict" title="User talk:Espresso Addict">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Espresso_Addict-2021-02-14T02:37:00.000Z-A7_on_Advanced_Technology_College_Mekelle" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:37, 14 February 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Espresso_Addict-2021-02-14T02:37:00.000Z-A7_on_Advanced_Technology_College_Mekelle"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Espresso_Addict-2021-02-14T02:37:00.000Z-A7_on_Advanced_Technology_College_Mekelle"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NAC" data-mw-thread-id="h-NAC-2021-02-25T16:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NAC-2021-02-25T16:15:00.000Z"></span>NAC<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NAC-2021-02-25T16:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: NAC"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Possibly-2021-02-25T16:15:00.000Z-NAC"></span>hi Graywalls. I undid <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=1008872568&oldid=1008805772">your close</a> of the discussion at COIN. You are very involved it that one. Wait for someone else to close it. <a href="/wiki/User:Possibly" title="User:Possibly">Possibly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Possibly" title="User talk:Possibly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Possibly-2021-02-25T16:15:00.000Z-NAC" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 25 February 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Possibly-2021-02-25T16:15:00.000Z-NAC"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Possibly-2021-02-25T16:15:00.000Z-NAC"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Acceptable_Sources_on_Hardcore_punk_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Acceptable_Sources_on_Hardcore_punk_page-2021-03-01T22:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Acceptable_Sources_on_Hardcore_punk_page-2021-03-01T22:47:00.000Z"></span>Acceptable Sources on Hardcore punk page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Acceptable_Sources_on_Hardcore_punk_page-2021-03-01T22:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Acceptable Sources on Hardcore punk page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoponpop69-2021-03-01T22:47:00.000Z-Acceptable_Sources_on_Hardcore_punk_page"></span>Are these ones acceptable? If not please feel free to remove them from the article- <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://soundofrevolution.wordpress.com/2017/05/11/breaking-down-the-walls-of-hardcore-how-having-more-diversity-has-helped-the-scene/">[3]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://dukecityhardcorepunk.wordpress.com/2017/06/24/diversity-and-inclusiveness-in-the-hardcore-scene/">[4]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.noecho.net/features/truth-cult-band">[5]</a><a href="/wiki/User:Hoponpop69" title="User:Hoponpop69">Hoponpop69</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoponpop69" title="User talk:Hoponpop69">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Hoponpop69-2021-03-01T22:47:00.000Z-Acceptable_Sources_on_Hardcore_punk_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:47, 1 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoponpop69-2021-03-01T22:47:00.000Z-Acceptable_Sources_on_Hardcore_punk_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoponpop69-2021-03-01T22:47:00.000Z-Acceptable_Sources_on_Hardcore_punk_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2021-03-02T04:31:00.000Z-Hoponpop69-2021-03-01T22:47:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Hoponpop69" title="User:Hoponpop69">Hoponpop69</a>:</span>, no they are not. Please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPS">WP:SPS</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLOG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLOG">WP:BLOG</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2021-03-02T04:31:00.000Z-Hoponpop69-2021-03-01T22:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:31, 2 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2021-03-02T04:31:00.000Z-Hoponpop69-2021-03-01T22:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2021-03-02T04:31:00.000Z-Hoponpop69-2021-03-01T22:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2021-03-02T05:19:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-03-02T04:31:00.000Z"></span>correction. Those two wordpress blogs definitely are not reliable. I don't know enough about noecho.net to comment on the reliability and the way in which parts or all of links within their site could be used as sources for Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2021-03-02T05:19:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-03-02T04:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:19, 2 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2021-03-02T05:19:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-03-02T04:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2021-03-02T05:19:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-03-02T04:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tellus" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tellus-2021-03-21T10:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tellus-2021-03-21T10:15:00.000Z"></span>Tellus<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tellus-2021-03-21T10:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: Tellus"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:15:00.000Z-Tellus"></span>Hello Graywalls, about your possible undisclosed paid tag on the <a href="/wiki/Tellus_Audio_Cassette_Magazine" title="Tellus Audio Cassette Magazine">Tellus Audio Cassette Magazine</a> page, I wish to clarify that I was not paid when employed by Mr. Nechvatal between the years 2008-2011 for my Wikipedia work on that moribund non-profit project, or on any other Wikipedia pages. Though co-founded by Mr. Nechvatal, Tellus was (and remains) a <a href="/wiki/Harvestworks" title="Harvestworks">Harvestworks</a> non-profit project. Since 2008, I have chosen to volunteer my time and expertise in the period of the 1980s New York art/music world for free for Wikipedia after engaging with that historical period when preparing the Nechvatal archive that was donated for free to The Fales Library Special Collections [<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://dlib.nyu.edu/findingaids/html/fales/mss_338/">[6]</a>]. I left that activity ten years ago. Perhaps this past experience may mean I am a connected contributor concerning the Tellus page. I don't know. If so, I will stay away from it. But I remain an objective and active unpaid volunteer for Wikipedia in that period of art/music history. I believe my 13 year extensive editing record here displays that. Would you please remove the tag. <a href="/wiki/User:Valueyou" title="User:Valueyou">Valueyou</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valueyou" title="User talk:Valueyou">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:15:00.000Z-Tellus" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:15:00.000Z-Tellus"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:15:00.000Z-Tellus"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2021-03-21T10:24:00.000Z-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:15:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Valueyou" title="User:Valueyou">Valueyou</a>:</span>, the edits by Valueyou isn't the only issue with that article. It has been extensively edited by clearly connected, organizational role named accounts like Tellus archivist and much of these for-consideration (volunteer credit, non-$$ consideration, whatever) advocacy edits remain. Even if your account was the only editor of concern, I'm not convinced simply stating "was not paid" is a justifiable cause to remove the paid editing tag as every suspected paid editor would simply say the magic word to have the template removed. The article needs massive clean up. I can only see the tag going down after that has happened. With the tag in place, someone else will notice it and do the clean up. When that's done, then, someone else can remove it. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2021-03-21T10:24:00.000Z-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:24, 21 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2021-03-21T10:24:00.000Z-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2021-03-21T10:24:00.000Z-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:15:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:29:00.000Z-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:15:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a>:</span> I agree that like many Wikipedia pages it had a rocky start. Looking forward to your massive clean up. <a href="/wiki/User:Valueyou" title="User:Valueyou">Valueyou</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valueyou" title="User talk:Valueyou">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:29:00.000Z-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:29, 21 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:29:00.000Z-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:29:00.000Z-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2021-03-21T10:42:00.000Z-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:29:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Valueyou" title="User:Valueyou">Valueyou</a>:</span>, By someone else, I should emphasize that it means someone who do not have conflict of interest on this subject. It wasn't appropriate for you, someone deeply involved on this subject to untag a COI related template on something you're so deeply involved in. If you were wondering how I came upon this article, it went form Colab, to Joseph Nechvatal, then branched from there. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2021-03-21T10:42:00.000Z-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 21 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2021-03-21T10:42:00.000Z-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2021-03-21T10:42:00.000Z-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valueyou-2021-03-21T14:12:00.000Z-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:29:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a>:</span> Don't take it personally. Thanks for the lecture, but I have been editing here a lot longer than you and I tend to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold" title="Wikipedia:Be bold">Wikipedia:Be bold</a> in my edits. I removed the tag because you refused to do so and to get on the record that aspersions were being cast in my direction by you there. I like to solve problems and create the value of pages at Wikipedia, not just police and tag and slice them. If you would have looked at the (perhaps misleadingly named) id page of Tellus_archivist, you would have seen that that person identifies as Continuo, a music blogger, who has no direct connection with Tellus and certainly was not paid for creating the page of a moribund non-profit (thus no conflict of interest on the subject - but rather generous service to both Tellus and Wikipedia). You can check that out at <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.ubu.com/sound/tellus.html">[7]</a> where it states that the Tellus <a href="/wiki/Ubuweb" class="mw-redirect" title="Ubuweb">Ubuweb</a> archive was edited by Steve McLaughlin in conjuction with Continuo's weblog <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://continuo.wordpress.com">[8]</a> long after Tellus ceased production. So I ask you politely to remove the tag you placed on the <a href="/wiki/Tellus_Audio_Cassette_Magazine" title="Tellus Audio Cassette Magazine">Tellus Audio Cassette Magazine</a> and save me and other Wikipedia editors the time and energy to fix what you have done behind you, because I do not agree with your statement that "with the tag in place, someone else will notice it and do the clean up". Please cooperate with me on this and remove that and other tags you casually applied that refer to bad starts of pages long ago settled by the Wikipedia community. I have been editing here for around 13 years out of a desire to improve Wikipedia in the art and music areas, and I know that we must respect each other. I respect you and I ask the same from you. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Valueyou" title="User:Valueyou">Valueyou</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valueyou" title="User talk:Valueyou">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Valueyou-2021-03-21T14:12:00.000Z-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:12, 21 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valueyou-2021-03-21T14:12:00.000Z-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valueyou-2021-03-21T14:12:00.000Z-Valueyou-2021-03-21T10:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ADL_&_COI" data-mw-thread-id="h-ADL_&_COI-2021-03-25T19:37:00.000Z"><span id="ADL_.26_COI"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ADL_&_COI-2021-03-25T19:37:00.000Z"></span>ADL & COI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ADL_&_COI-2021-03-25T19:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: ADL & COI"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OceanicFeeling123-2021-03-25T19:37:00.000Z-ADL_&_COI"></span>Hi Graywalls! </p><p>I understand your concerns and I responded on the COI notice board. Feel free to ask me any questions directly. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:OceanicFeeling123" title="User:OceanicFeeling123">OceanicFeeling123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OceanicFeeling123" title="User talk:OceanicFeeling123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-OceanicFeeling123-2021-03-25T19:37:00.000Z-ADL_&_COI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OceanicFeeling123-2021-03-25T19:37:00.000Z-ADL_&_COI"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OceanicFeeling123-2021-03-25T19:37:00.000Z-ADL_&_COI"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:07:00.000Z-OceanicFeeling123-2021-03-25T19:37:00.000Z"></span>Greywalls: I am rolling back your ADL-related edits until there is a community consensus regarding them. <a href="/wiki/User:Beyond_My_Ken" title="User:Beyond My Ken">Beyond My Ken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken" title="User talk:Beyond My Ken">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:07:00.000Z-OceanicFeeling123-2021-03-25T19:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:07, 26 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:07:00.000Z-OceanicFeeling123-2021-03-25T19:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:07:00.000Z-OceanicFeeling123-2021-03-25T19:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:22:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:07:00.000Z"></span>If sand when the community decides that your concerns are justified to the extent that the ADL-related material you removed (without discussion) from numerous article was in appropriately added, you can restore the material, but until then please do not do so. Respect <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">WP:BRD</a> and let the discussion you have started reach a consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:Beyond_My_Ken" title="User:Beyond My Ken">Beyond My Ken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken" title="User talk:Beyond My Ken">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:22:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:22, 26 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:22:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:22:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2021-03-26T01:43:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:22:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Beyond_My_Ken" title="User:Beyond My Ken">Beyond My Ken</a>:</span>, Please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ONUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ONUS">WP:ONUS</a>. When challenged contents are removed, those wishing to add back in must establish consensus. The matter of ADL and their meat puppets are currently being debated at COI/N. Please do not restore until consensus to restore the edits by COI puppets have been established. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2021-03-26T01:43:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:43, 26 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2021-03-26T01:43:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2021-03-26T01:43:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:48:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-03-26T01:43:00.000Z"></span>The material you removed was sourced. The source has been discussed and has been determined to be reliable. Your removal of that material were BOLD edits, which I have REVERTED. Now the article stays as it was, in the <i>status quo ante</i>, while the issue is being discussion. Please do not restore the material, you will be edit warring if you do. <a href="/wiki/User:Beyond_My_Ken" title="User:Beyond My Ken">Beyond My Ken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken" title="User talk:Beyond My Ken">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:48:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-03-26T01:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:48, 26 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:48:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-03-26T01:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:48:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-03-26T01:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2021-03-26T01:50:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:48:00.000Z"></span>Read what <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ONUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ONUS">WP:ONUS</a> says. It is up to YOU, the one wishing to restore contents to obtain consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2021-03-26T01:50:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:50, 26 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2021-03-26T01:50:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2021-03-26T01:50:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:57:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-03-26T01:50:00.000Z"></span>I see that you have decided not to follow BRD. <a href="/wiki/User:Beyond_My_Ken" title="User:Beyond My Ken">Beyond My Ken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken" title="User talk:Beyond My Ken">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:57:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-03-26T01:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:57:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-03-26T01:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:57:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-03-26T01:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2021-03-26T02:00:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:57:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Beyond_My_Ken" title="User:Beyond My Ken">Beyond My Ken</a>:</span>, This matter is currently discussed at COI/N. You systematically reverted every change and re-inserted the contents without establishing contents. In one of the edit summary, you asked for proof ADL is spamming the sources. The discussion at COI/N more than shows that, although perhaps you were unaware of the discussion when you reverted every one of my removal. Please don't jump the gun and re-insert the contents that's being discussed, following WP:ONUS. I pinged you there so you can find the section. I suggest you voice your comments there if you're interested in having a part in that discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2021-03-26T02:00:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:00, 26 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2021-03-26T02:00:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2021-03-26T02:00:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T01:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T02:08:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-03-26T02:00:00.000Z"></span>The existence of that discussion, which you properly started, is exactly why you should not have retored your edits when you did, since you are pre-empting a consensus discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Beyond_My_Ken" title="User:Beyond My Ken">Beyond My Ken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken" title="User talk:Beyond My Ken">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T02:08:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-03-26T02:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 26 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T02:08:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-03-26T02:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beyond_My_Ken-2021-03-26T02:08:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-03-26T02:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re_speedy-delete_for_The_Lab_(organization)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re_speedy-delete_for_The_Lab_(organization)-2021-03-27T22:52:00.000Z"><span id="Re_speedy-delete_for_The_Lab_.28organization.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re_speedy-delete_for_The_Lab_(organization)-2021-03-27T22:52:00.000Z"></span>Re speedy-delete for <a href="/wiki/The_Lab_(organization)" title="The Lab (organization)">The Lab (organization)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re_speedy-delete_for_The_Lab_(organization)-2021-03-27T22:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: Re speedy-delete for The Lab (organization)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dreamyshade-2021-03-27T22:52:00.000Z-Re_speedy-delete_for_The_Lab_(organization)"></span>Hi! In case you didn't see it, <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade#Move_"The_Lab_(organization)"_to_draft_space?" title="User talk:Seraphimblade">User_talk:Seraphimblade#Move_"The_Lab_(organization)"_to_draft_space?</a> may be of interest - I asked for draft-ification of an article you tagged for speedy deletion, because there are substantial secondary sources available and also at least one person interested in improving the article (me), and it's now back in action as an article. I encourage caution with tagging articles about long-running community non-profit organizations as spam, instead using prod or even AfD. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Dreamyshade" title="User:Dreamyshade">Dreamyshade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dreamyshade" title="User talk:Dreamyshade">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Dreamyshade-2021-03-27T22:52:00.000Z-Re_speedy-delete_for_The_Lab_(organization)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 27 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dreamyshade-2021-03-27T22:52:00.000Z-Re_speedy-delete_for_The_Lab_(organization)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dreamyshade-2021-03-27T22:52:00.000Z-Re_speedy-delete_for_The_Lab_(organization)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2021-03-29T08:52:00.000Z-Dreamyshade-2021-03-27T22:52:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Dreamyshade" title="User:Dreamyshade">Dreamyshade</a>:</span>, I appreciate sharing your thoughts, but I don't believe the nomination was improper. I agree with the other two commentators on that matter. CSD requests are reviewed by an admin so if something is unduly nominated, it would be declined. There was nothing but fluff in the whole edit history. If the organization passes GNG, there's no prejudice against re-creation. Thank you, <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2021-03-29T08:52:00.000Z-Dreamyshade-2021-03-27T22:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 29 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2021-03-29T08:52:00.000Z-Dreamyshade-2021-03-27T22:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2021-03-29T08:52:00.000Z-Dreamyshade-2021-03-27T22:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-2021-04-08T00:59:00.000Z"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-2021-04-08T00:59:00.000Z"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-2021-04-08T00:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=44" title="Edit section: A barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LantonMills-2021-04-08T00:59:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Original_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Original_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Original_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Original_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Original_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Original_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Original_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Original Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Hi Graywalls! Thanks for the message regarding the specificity of a 'minor edit'. I'm new to (editing) Wikipedia. I'll read through the docs before making any more changes. Cheers! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LantonMills&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LantonMills (page does not exist)">LantonMills</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LantonMills" title="User talk:LantonMills">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-LantonMills-2021-04-08T00:59:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 8 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LantonMills-2021-04-08T00:59:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LantonMills-2021-04-08T00:59:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Would_you_have_a_look_at_this_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Would_you_have_a_look_at_this_article-2021-04-17T21:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Would_you_have_a_look_at_this_article-2021-04-17T21:34:00.000Z"></span>Would you have a look at this article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Would_you_have_a_look_at_this_article-2021-04-17T21:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: Would you have a look at this article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-2021-04-17T21:34:00.000Z-Would_you_have_a_look_at_this_article"></span>Hello Graywalls, I'm wondering if you would have a look at this article: <a href="/w/index.php?title=George_Faunce_Whitcomb&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="George Faunce Whitcomb (page does not exist)">George Faunce Whitcomb</a>, I cannot figure out how this person is notable. It was created by a known COI editor who writes about his family who is asking the COI tag to be removed. I've been trying to give them the benefit of the doubt however this article seems questionable to me. You have more experience than I on COI cases, so I am hoping you find a moment to review it and look over the comments on the talk page. Thanks in advance. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-2021-04-17T21:34:00.000Z-Would_you_have_a_look_at_this_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 17 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-2021-04-17T21:34:00.000Z-Would_you_have_a_look_at_this_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-2021-04-17T21:34:00.000Z-Would_you_have_a_look_at_this_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2021-04-18T07:53:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-04-17T21:34:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, Oh.. that editor. This article's kind of a tough one, because some of the cited sources are not readily available for inspection from anyone's computer. While you're probably right, it's premature to come to a conclusion. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2021-04-18T07:53:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-04-17T21:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:53, 18 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2021-04-18T07:53:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-04-17T21:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2021-04-18T07:53:00.000Z-Netherzone-2021-04-17T21:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Luke_Hughes_(furniture_designer)_page_-_reverting_of_changes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Luke_Hughes_(furniture_designer)_page_-_reverting_of_changes-2021-04-20T01:06:00.000Z"><span id="Luke_Hughes_.28furniture_designer.29_page_-_reverting_of_changes"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Luke_Hughes_(furniture_designer)_page_-_reverting_of_changes-2021-04-20T01:06:00.000Z"></span>Luke Hughes (furniture designer) page - reverting of changes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Luke_Hughes_(furniture_designer)_page_-_reverting_of_changes-2021-04-20T01:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: Luke Hughes (furniture designer) page - reverting of changes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LAficionado-2021-04-20T01:06:00.000Z-Luke_Hughes_(furniture_designer)_page_-_reverting_of_changes"></span>Greetings. I recently noticed that you reverted my clean-up of the Luke Hughes (furniture designer) page by reimplementing the template messages. You had commented that it did not meet WP:WTRMT. I've studied the guidelines closely here and can see that it does meet the requirements to remove the template messages. Please can you expand as to why you do not believe that it does? I've tried to assist here by responding to a message on the article's Talk page. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LAficionado&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LAficionado (page does not exist)">LAficionado</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LAficionado" title="User talk:LAficionado">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-LAficionado-2021-04-20T01:06:00.000Z-Luke_Hughes_(furniture_designer)_page_-_reverting_of_changes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:06, 20 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LAficionado-2021-04-20T01:06:00.000Z-Luke_Hughes_(furniture_designer)_page_-_reverting_of_changes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LAficionado-2021-04-20T01:06:00.000Z-Luke_Hughes_(furniture_designer)_page_-_reverting_of_changes"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reverts" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reverts-2021-05-08T02:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reverts-2021-05-08T02:51:00.000Z"></span>Reverts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reverts-2021-05-08T02:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: Reverts"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Possibly-2021-05-08T02:51:00.000Z-Reverts"></span>Hi Graywalls. I noticed <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Collins_%26_Milazzo_exhibitions&action=history">your reverts</a> on Collins and Milazzo exhibitions. There were three big ones in the space of a couple days. The thing is, they are a little bit disruptive. <a href="/wiki/User:Vexations" title="User:Vexations">Vexations</a> was working on sourcing the list, albeit slowly. Vexations is a long-standing respected editor. You can't cut him some slack? If you could cut the regulars a little more slack, that would be great. I'm working on adding the sources for the shows. I would advise against reverting additions to the Collins and Milazzo exhibitions page, in the near future. Thanks. --- <a href="/wiki/User:Possibly" title="User:Possibly">Possibly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Possibly" title="User talk:Possibly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Possibly-2021-05-08T02:51:00.000Z-Reverts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:51, 8 May 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Possibly-2021-05-08T02:51:00.000Z-Reverts"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Possibly-2021-05-08T02:51:00.000Z-Reverts"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-2021-05-08T02:59:00.000Z-Possibly-2021-05-08T02:51:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Possibly" title="User:Possibly">Possibly</a>:</span>, perhaps it could be draftified? I believe the contents should have waited until sources are added, rather than added back in unsourced, and sources added over a long period. Perhaps there could be a compromise? Things being added without citations and adding citations later is not a practice that should be encouraged. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-2021-05-08T02:59:00.000Z-Possibly-2021-05-08T02:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:59, 8 May 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-2021-05-08T02:59:00.000Z-Possibly-2021-05-08T02:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-2021-05-08T02:59:00.000Z-Possibly-2021-05-08T02:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Possibly-2021-05-08T03:08:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-05-08T02:59:00.000Z"></span>There's no need to draftify, I am sourcing it as we speak. They are clearly notable and the article contains no unsourced material. You should chill a bit, have some faith in your colleagues.--- <a href="/wiki/User:Possibly" title="User:Possibly">Possibly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Possibly" title="User talk:Possibly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Possibly-2021-05-08T03:08:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-05-08T02:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:08, 8 May 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Possibly-2021-05-08T03:08:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-05-08T02:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Possibly-2021-05-08T03:08:00.000Z-Graywalls-2021-05-08T02:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="removal_of_unsourced_sections" data-mw-thread-id="h-removal_of_unsourced_sections-2021-05-09T21:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-removal_of_unsourced_sections-2021-05-09T21:46:00.000Z"></span>removal of unsourced sections<span data-mw-comment-end="h-removal_of_unsourced_sections-2021-05-09T21:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: removal of unsourced sections"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vexations-2021-05-09T21:46:00.000Z-removal_of_unsourced_sections"></span>You seem to have trouble finding sources for visual arts related articles, as with Peter Halley. I seem to be able to find sources for pretty much anything you delete. Next time you find something that is not correctly sourced, just send me a ping: "Hey Vexations, I can't find a source for this claim, can you help?" I most likely can. All the best, <a href="/wiki/User:Vexations" title="User:Vexations">Vexations</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vexations" title="User talk:Vexations">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Vexations-2021-05-09T21:46:00.000Z-removal_of_unsourced_sections" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:46, 9 May 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vexations-2021-05-09T21:46:00.000Z-removal_of_unsourced_sections"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vexations-2021-05-09T21:46:00.000Z-removal_of_unsourced_sections"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="FYI" data-mw-thread-id="h-FYI-2021-11-18T23:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-FYI-2021-11-18T23:14:00.000Z"></span>FYI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-FYI-2021-11-18T23:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: FYI"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schazjmd-2021-11-18T23:14:00.000Z-FYI"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#VisualEditor_duplicating_named_citations" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)">Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#VisualEditor_duplicating_named_citations</a>. When you edit using the Visual Editor, it is expanding every named-ref call with the full ref definition, causing ref errors. I fixed it on <a href="/wiki/Salvation_Mountain" title="Salvation Mountain">Salvation Mountain</a>, just wanted to make you aware of it. <a href="/wiki/User:Schazjmd" title="User:Schazjmd"><span style="color:#9966FF;">Schazjmd</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schazjmd" title="User talk:Schazjmd"><span style="color:#5500FF;"><i>(talk)</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Schazjmd-2021-11-18T23:14:00.000Z-FYI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 18 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schazjmd-2021-11-18T23:14:00.000Z-FYI"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schazjmd-2021-11-18T23:14:00.000Z-FYI"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bold,_revert,_discuss" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bold,_revert,_discuss-20220831001200"><span id="Bold.2C_revert.2C_discuss"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bold,_revert,_discuss-20220831001200"></span>Bold, revert, discuss<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bold,_revert,_discuss-20220831001200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: Bold, revert, discuss"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ElKevbo-20220831001200-Bold,_revert,_discuss"></span>You've edited long enough to know the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">bold, revert, discuss</a> cycle. Kindly revert your <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lewis_%26_Clark_College&diff=prev&oldid=1107622546">edit-warring reversion</a> and open a discussion in the article's Talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:ElKevbo" title="User:ElKevbo">ElKevbo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ElKevbo" title="User talk:ElKevbo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-ElKevbo-20220831001200-Bold,_revert,_discuss" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 31 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ElKevbo-20220831001200-Bold,_revert,_discuss"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ElKevbo-20220831001200-Bold,_revert,_discuss"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20220831001300-ElKevbo-20220831001200"></span>It has already been started. Your message on my talk was a bit rushed given how soon it was you left it. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20220831001300-ElKevbo-20220831001200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:13, 31 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20220831001300-ElKevbo-20220831001200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20220831001300-ElKevbo-20220831001200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User:Ovedc" data-mw-thread-id="h-User:Ovedc"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User:Ovedc"></span>User:Ovedc<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User:Ovedc"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: User:Ovedc"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Bi Graywalls, unfortunately your inquiry request archived <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_191#User:Ovedc">here</a>, maybe you will open it again ? </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="HabiJax" data-mw-thread-id="h-HabiJax-20230811163800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-HabiJax-20230811163800"></span>HabiJax<span data-mw-comment-end="h-HabiJax-20230811163800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: HabiJax"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ivanvector-20230811163800-HabiJax"></span>I thought Twinkle would have notified you so sorry this is coming to you a bit late. I closed your RFD nomination of <a href="/wiki/HabiJax" class="mw-redirect" title="HabiJax">HabiJax</a> because that's not the right venue for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLAR">blanking and redirecting</a> an existing article. I instead listed the page at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">articles for deletion</a>. You can find <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/HabiJax" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HabiJax">the discussion</a> there. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Ivanvector" title="User:Ivanvector">Ivanvector</a> (<sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ivanvector" title="User talk:Ivanvector">Talk</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ivanvector" title="Special:Contributions/Ivanvector">Edits</a></sub>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Ivanvector-20230811163800-HabiJax" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 11 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ivanvector-20230811163800-HabiJax"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ivanvector-20230811163800-HabiJax"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mgreason-20230811220600-Ivanvector-20230811163800"></span>Regarding your <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HabiJax&diff=prev&oldid=1169864185">edit</a> and comment: "remove unsupportable contents. I checked the source. What I removed was ghost name check and public relations puff." I had no problem finding the original source on Wayback Machine, reinserted it into the cited reference and expanded it. <a href="/wiki/User:Mgreason" title="User:Mgreason"><span style="color:purple">Mgrē@sŏn</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mgreason" title="User talk:Mgreason"><span style="color:purple">Talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Mgreason-20230811220600-Ivanvector-20230811163800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 11 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mgreason-20230811220600-Ivanvector-20230811163800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mgreason-20230811220600-Ivanvector-20230811163800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20230811221300-Mgreason-20230811220600"></span>The link was not working. I am the one who got the archive link and put the link in there... I removed the name drops that was not supportable in the archived version I pulled up. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20230811221300-Mgreason-20230811220600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 11 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20230811221300-Mgreason-20230811220600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20230811221300-Mgreason-20230811220600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mgreason-20230812001400-Graywalls-20230811221300"></span>The link doesn't work because the <i>MayportMirror.com</i> went out of business several years ago. <a href="/wiki/User:Mgreason" title="User:Mgreason"><span style="color:purple">Mgrē@sŏn</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mgreason" title="User talk:Mgreason"><span style="color:purple">Talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Mgreason-20230812001400-Graywalls-20230811221300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 12 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mgreason-20230812001400-Graywalls-20230811221300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mgreason-20230812001400-Graywalls-20230811221300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20230812001600-Mgreason-20230812001400"></span>Which is why I added the archive.org link so I can review it as well as anyone else reviewing it for merger consideration. Check edit history. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20230812001600-Mgreason-20230812001400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:16, 12 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20230812001600-Mgreason-20230812001400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20230812001600-Mgreason-20230812001400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20230811223200-Mgreason-20230811220600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mgreason" title="User:Mgreason">Mgreason</a>:</span>, and I have the same opinion about <a href="/wiki/Habitat_for_Humanity_%E2%80%93_New_York_City" class="mw-redirect" title="Habitat for Humanity – New York City">Habitat for Humanity – New York City</a> too, which is mostly fluffed up with primary source. A lot of it can be trimmed, and merged over. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20230811223200-Mgreason-20230811220600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 11 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20230811223200-Mgreason-20230811220600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20230811223200-Mgreason-20230811220600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mgreason-20230811220900-HabiJax"></span>Looking at your talk page, I see that I'm not the only editor you seem to have a problem with. <a href="/wiki/User:Mgreason" title="User:Mgreason"><span style="color:purple">Mgrē@sŏn</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mgreason" title="User talk:Mgreason"><span style="color:purple">Talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Mgreason-20230811220900-HabiJax" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 11 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mgreason-20230811220900-HabiJax"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mgreason-20230811220900-HabiJax"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Psychological_testing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Psychological_testing-20230815013100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Psychological_testing-20230815013100"></span>Psychological testing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Psychological_testing-20230815013100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: Psychological testing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iss246-20230815013100-Psychological_testing"></span>User:Graywalls. I know the website I referenced. It is the website managed by an expert in industrial/organizational psychology and occupational health psychology. The expert is Paul Spector. His website is very well known to researchers in i/o psychology and OHP. It is an error to claim that the site is not reliable. The site is curated by a leading expert. <a href="/wiki/User:Iss246" title="User:Iss246">Iss246</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iss246" title="User talk:Iss246">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Iss246-20230815013100-Psychological_testing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iss246-20230815013100-Psychological_testing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iss246-20230815013100-Psychological_testing"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_think_you_may_have_mistyped" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_think_you_may_have_mistyped-20230818160000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_think_you_may_have_mistyped-20230818160000"></span>I think you may have mistyped<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_think_you_may_have_mistyped-20230818160000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: I think you may have mistyped"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWikiProject_Psychology&diff=1170950459&oldid=1170901522"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sundayclose-20230818160000-I_think_you_may_have_mistyped"></span>Here</a>, did you mean to say "related to Spector"?? <a href="/wiki/User:Sundayclose" title="User:Sundayclose">Sundayclose</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sundayclose" title="User talk:Sundayclose">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Sundayclose-20230818160000-I_think_you_may_have_mistyped" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 18 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sundayclose-20230818160000-I_think_you_may_have_mistyped"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sundayclose-20230818160000-I_think_you_may_have_mistyped"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edward_Forman_edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edward_Forman_edits-20230819233300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edward_Forman_edits-20230819233300"></span><a href="/wiki/Edward_Forman" title="Edward Forman">Edward Forman</a> edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edward_Forman_edits-20230819233300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: Edward Forman edits"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sabih_omar-20230819233300-Edward_Forman_edits"></span>Hi, I saw you reverted my recent edits. I was thinking that these were additive and not removing/altering anything in the original article. Could you please help update the article with them if you see fit (I can request the update in the talk page as well)? I feel that the article is incomplete without a small brief about Forman's later life. I want to do it by the book. Please help. <a href="/wiki/User:Sabih_omar" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sabih omar">Sabih omar</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Sabih_omar-20230819233300-Edward_Forman_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:33, 19 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sabih_omar-20230819233300-Edward_Forman_edits"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sabih_omar-20230819233300-Edward_Forman_edits"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sabih_omar-20230819234600-Sabih_omar-20230819233300"></span>I have added the update as a suggestion in the talk page, FYI. Thanks for the gatekeeping. <a href="/wiki/User:Sabih_omar" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Sabih omar">Sabih omar</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Sabih_omar-20230819234600-Sabih_omar-20230819233300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 19 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sabih_omar-20230819234600-Sabih_omar-20230819233300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sabih_omar-20230819234600-Sabih_omar-20230819233300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Email?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Email?-20230824034900"><span id="Email.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Email?-20230824034900"></span>Email?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Email?-20230824034900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: Email?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20230824034900-Email?"></span>Do you have email thru WP? <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20230824034900-Email?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:49, 24 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20230824034900-Email?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20230824034900-Email?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20230824040500-Netherzone-20230824034900"></span>I don't... why? <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20230824040500-Netherzone-20230824034900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:05, 24 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20230824040500-Netherzone-20230824034900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20230824040500-Netherzone-20230824034900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20230824042100-Graywalls-20230824040500"></span>Found something that I thought was interesting. Not that important <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20230824042100-Graywalls-20230824040500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:21, 24 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20230824042100-Graywalls-20230824040500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20230824042100-Graywalls-20230824040500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Gary_Hugh_Brown" data-mw-thread-id="h-Gary_Hugh_Brown-20230828003000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Gary_Hugh_Brown-20230828003000"></span><a href="/wiki/Gary_Hugh_Brown" title="Gary Hugh Brown">Gary Hugh Brown</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Gary_Hugh_Brown-20230828003000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: Gary Hugh Brown"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20230828003000-Gary_Hugh_Brown"></span>I'm only about half done reviewing <a href="/wiki/Gary_Hugh_Brown" title="Gary Hugh Brown">Gary Hugh Brown</a> and am mortified by what I've found when comparing the content to the sources. A whole lot of misrepresentation. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20230828003000-Gary_Hugh_Brown" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:30, 28 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20230828003000-Gary_Hugh_Brown"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20230828003000-Gary_Hugh_Brown"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_pages_patrol_invitation" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_pages_patrol_invitation-20230901192900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_pages_patrol_invitation-20230901192900"></span>New pages patrol invitation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_pages_patrol_invitation-20230901192900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=58" title="Edit section: New pages patrol invitation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background:#E2E7FF; border:1px solid #000080; padding: 10px; width: auto"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="position:relative; right:6px"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20230901192900-New_pages_patrol_invitation"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg/110px-Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg.png" decoding="async" width="110" height="110" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg/165px-Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg/220px-Wikipedia_New_page_reviewer.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> </td></tr> <tr> <td><span style="font-size:120%">Hello, Graywalls.</span> <ul><li>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP">new pages patrol</a> team is currently struggling to keep up with the influx of new articles and redirects needing review. We could use a few extra hands to help.</li> <li>I believe that someone with your activity and experience is very likely to meet the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#Guidelines_for_granting" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers">guidelines for granting</a>.</li> <li>Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time, but it requires a strong understanding of Wikipedia’s CSD policy and notability guidelines.</li> <li>Kindly read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPP">the tutorial</a> before making your decision, and feel free to post on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:NPPR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:NPPR">project talk page</a> with questions.</li> <li>If patrolling new pages is something you'd be willing to help out with, please consider <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PERM/NPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PERM/NPP"><b>applying here</b></a>.</li></ul> <p>Thank you for your consideration. We hope to see you around! </p><p>Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">Hey man im josh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User talk:Hey man im josh">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Hey_man_im_josh-20230901192900-New_pages_patrol_invitation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 1 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20230901192900-New_pages_patrol_invitation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hey_man_im_josh-20230901192900-New_pages_patrol_invitation"></span> </p> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hovhannes_Tumanyan_Museum" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hovhannes_Tumanyan_Museum-20230903215400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hovhannes_Tumanyan_Museum-20230903215400"></span>Hovhannes Tumanyan Museum<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hovhannes_Tumanyan_Museum-20230903215400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=59" title="Edit section: Hovhannes Tumanyan Museum"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mynameisliza-20230903215400-Hovhannes_Tumanyan_Museum"></span>My sole purpose in editing Wikipedia is to contribute positively to the platform and improve the quality of its content. I do not have any conflict of interests and have not been paid for editing, and I fully understand and respect Wikipedia's policy against such practices. I kindly request an open and constructive dialogue to address any concerns or suspicions you may have. If there are specific issues or questions about my edits, I am more than willing to discuss them and provide any necessary information to clarify my intent. <a href="/wiki/User:Mynameisliza" title="User:Mynameisliza">Mynameisliza</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mynameisliza" title="User talk:Mynameisliza">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Mynameisliza-20230903215400-Hovhannes_Tumanyan_Museum" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 3 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mynameisliza-20230903215400-Hovhannes_Tumanyan_Museum"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mynameisliza-20230903215400-Hovhannes_Tumanyan_Museum"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pine_Cone" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pine_Cone-20230910032400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pine_Cone-20230910032400"></span>Pine Cone<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pine_Cone-20230910032400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: Pine Cone"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20230910032400-Pine_Cone"></span>Do you think the <a href="/wiki/Carmel_Pine_Cone" title="Carmel Pine Cone">Carmel Pine Cone</a> meets <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCORP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCORP">WP:NCORP</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20230910032400-Pine_Cone" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:24, 10 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20230910032400-Pine_Cone"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20230910032400-Pine_Cone"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20230910033300-Netherzone-20230910032400"></span>Maybe, maybe not? Many, many newspapers are in the same position though. <a href="/wiki/Boise_Weekly" title="Boise Weekly">Boise Weekly</a>, <a href="/wiki/Portland_Mercury" title="Portland Mercury">Portland Mercury</a> <a href="/wiki/Portland_Tribune" title="Portland Tribune">Portland Tribune</a> just to name a few. I'm not particularly interested in pursuing AfDs on newspapers everywhere. I don't think it will be helpful. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20230910033300-Netherzone-20230910032400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:33, 10 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20230910033300-Netherzone-20230910032400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20230910033300-Netherzone-20230910032400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Shayan_Modarres" data-mw-thread-id="h-Shayan_Modarres-20230927031900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Shayan_Modarres-20230927031900"></span>Shayan Modarres<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Shayan_Modarres-20230927031900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: Shayan Modarres"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mansheimer-20230927031900-Shayan_Modarres"></span>If you have time, please examine <a href="/wiki/Shayan_Modarres" title="Shayan Modarres">Shayan Modarres</a> for COI. The history doesn't seem to show anything suspicious, at least not to me, but the overall tone of the article is highly promotional and makes the subject seem more notable than they actually are and doesn't feel like it was written by neutral Wikipedia editors. <a href="/wiki/User:Mansheimer" title="User:Mansheimer">Mansheimer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mansheimer" title="User talk:Mansheimer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Mansheimer-20230927031900-Shayan_Modarres" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:19, 27 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mansheimer-20230927031900-Shayan_Modarres"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mansheimer-20230927031900-Shayan_Modarres"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20230927062000-Mansheimer-20230927031900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mansheimer" title="User:Mansheimer">Mansheimer</a>:</span>, I didn't find glaringly obvious signs of COI, but the NBIO/GNG seems unsustained. You may want to AfD it if your own <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">WP:BEFORE</a> check do not find evidence of meeting GNG <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20230927062000-Mansheimer-20230927031900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:20, 27 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20230927062000-Mansheimer-20230927031900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20230927062000-Mansheimer-20230927031900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="COIN_-_Carey3146" data-mw-thread-id="h-COIN_-_Carey3146-20231009075400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-COIN_-_Carey3146-20231009075400"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Alan_Jackson_(businessman)" title="Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard">COIN - Carey3146</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-COIN_-_Carey3146-20231009075400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: COIN - Carey3146"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20231009075400-COIN_-_Carey3146"></span>I have just made a formal proposal at the current foot of this topic. I am leaving this message on all this discussion's participants' talk pages to draw attention to the proposal. Your opinion, <u>whatever it may be</u>, is welcome at that proposal 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Timtrent-20231009075400-COIN_-_Carey3146" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:54, 9 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20231009075400-COIN_-_Carey3146"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20231009075400-COIN_-_Carey3146"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20231009121900-Timtrent-20231009075400"></span>You may be correct about the venue. I don't feel strongly about it, thinking that the COI material is present above it. If you feel that it should be at ANI I'm happy if you transfer it there. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Timtrent-20231009121900-Timtrent-20231009075400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 9 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20231009121900-Timtrent-20231009075400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20231009121900-Timtrent-20231009075400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WP:NCORP" data-mw-thread-id="h-WP:NCORP-20231013230200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WP:NCORP-20231013230200"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCORP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCORP">WP:NCORP</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-WP:NCORP-20231013230200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: WP:NCORP"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Atlantic306-20231013230200-WP:NCORP"></span>Hi, the reason I reverted your edit is because the RFC on schools determined that public schools and colleges need to pass <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> which can include local sources whereas NCORP is a higher standard that rules out local sources and other sources that may be acceptable for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>. For profit schools do come under NCORP. This was determined when NCORP was revised in a major RFC. Also the RFC on schools stated that local sources were acceptable for public schools in its closure, regards <a href="/wiki/User:Atlantic306" title="User:Atlantic306">Atlantic306</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atlantic306" title="User talk:Atlantic306">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Atlantic306-20231013230200-WP:NCORP" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 13 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Atlantic306-20231013230200-WP:NCORP"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Atlantic306-20231013230200-WP:NCORP"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20231014064700-Atlantic306-20231013230200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Atlantic306" title="User:Atlantic306">Atlantic306</a> I can't make much sense out of it. The two sentences that's currently at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NSCHOOL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NSCHOOL">WP:NSCHOOL</a> contradicts one another. I started a discussion at N ORG talk. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20231014064700-Atlantic306-20231013230200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:47, 14 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20231014064700-Atlantic306-20231013230200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20231014064700-Atlantic306-20231013230200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pure_Storage" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pure_Storage-20231020172400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pure_Storage-20231020172400"></span><a href="/wiki/Pure_Storage" title="Pure Storage">Pure Storage</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pure_Storage-20231020172400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=64" title="Edit section: Pure Storage"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZacBond-20231020172400-Pure_Storage"></span>Hi Graywalls. I started a discussion <a href="/wiki/Talk:Pure_Storage#Paid_Contributions_Tag" title="Talk:Pure Storage">here</a> related to my COI contributions to the <a href="/wiki/Pure_Storage" title="Pure Storage">Pure Storage</a> Wikipedia page. I was looking for someone with no history with the page to weigh in and saw that you were active on COI issues. Maybe you could take a look and weigh in? <a href="/wiki/User:ZacBond" title="User:ZacBond">ZacBond</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZacBond" title="User talk:ZacBond">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-ZacBond-20231020172400-Pure_Storage" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 20 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZacBond-20231020172400-Pure_Storage"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZacBond-20231020172400-Pure_Storage"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Moreland_School_District_redirect" data-mw-thread-id="h-Moreland_School_District_redirect-20231025073200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Moreland_School_District_redirect-20231025073200"></span>Moreland School District redirect<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Moreland_School_District_redirect-20231025073200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=65" title="Edit section: Moreland School District redirect"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20231025073200-Moreland_School_District_redirect"></span>Hia @<a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a>. I see you reverted my CSD for <a href="/wiki/Moreland_School_District" class="mw-redirect" title="Moreland School District">Moreland_School_District</a> redirect. I want to accept and publish to mainspace the draft at <a href="/wiki/Draft:Moreland_School_District" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:Moreland School District">Draft:Moreland_School_District</a>. As a page with the same name already exists in the redirect, I requested CSD so I can properly move it. That is the process for when redirects already exist and a draft is ready to be moved, so I am not sure why you thought it wasn't a correct technical reason for deletion. Maybe I have missed something in the process? Let me know! I hope you don't mind I have requested CSD again but if you still feel this isn't right feel free to revert. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">Qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Qcne-20231025073200-Moreland_School_District_redirect" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:32, 25 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20231025073200-Moreland_School_District_redirect"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20231025073200-Moreland_School_District_redirect"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20231025192400-Qcne-20231025073200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne">Qcne</a>:</span>, I do mind. I feel you should have waited until discussion rather than re-inserting reverted CSD, which was reverted with an explanation. I think you're well aware of the proposer's edit history. If you reviewed the edit history prior to your CSD, you'll see it was on the same organization before the re-direct. It was re-directed, because it was seen as non-notable. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20231025192400-Qcne-20231025073200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 25 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20231025192400-Qcne-20231025073200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20231025192400-Qcne-20231025073200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20231025214000-Graywalls-20231025192400"></span>Respectively, your explanation for the CSD reversion gave me no context that you were reverting because of ongoing discussion and the user's paid editing issues. I genuinely thought you had made a mistake in the revision and did not know you were involved in the wider discussion of the draft. As I said on the Talk Page, I reviewed the draft on it's own merit and therefore followed the correct AfC process.</dd> <dd>Perhaps leaving a comment for AfC reviewers would be helpful for any future drafts. Please don't think I am being rude by that suggestion. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">Qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Qcne-20231025214000-Graywalls-20231025192400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 25 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20231025214000-Graywalls-20231025192400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20231025214000-Graywalls-20231025192400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20231025221300-Qcne-20231025214000"></span>I did leave a comment, right on the page where it says "comments" as did other people. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20231025221300-Qcne-20231025214000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20231025221300-Qcne-20231025214000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20231025221300-Qcne-20231025214000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Opioid_crisis_content" data-mw-thread-id="h-Opioid_crisis_content-20231110131700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Opioid_crisis_content-20231110131700"></span>Opioid crisis content<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Opioid_crisis_content-20231110131700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=66" title="Edit section: Opioid crisis content"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-223.205.189.152-20231110131700-Opioid_crisis_content"></span>Since you recently cleaned up <a href="/wiki/Opioid_epidemic_in_the_United_States" title="Opioid epidemic in the United States">Opioid epidemic in the United States</a>, there is still a problematic statement there that warrants attention. "The NEJM published its rebuttal to the 1980 letter" would be better characterized as "The NEJM reexamined the 1980 letter". "rebuttal" implies there was a problem with the letter itself, which does not appear to be the case. I see that the BBC article calls it a rebuttal, but that probably isn't MEDRS. </p><p>Also, the <a href="/wiki/Porter_and_Jick" class="mw-redirect" title="Porter and Jick">article about that letter</a>, and especially its editing history, might be worth a look. 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If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:NoACEMM" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:NoACEMM">NoACEMM</a>}}</code> to your user talk page. <small><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20231128005100-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20231128005100-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20231128005100-ArbCom_2023_Elections_voter_message"></span> </p> </div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="GetYourGuide" data-mw-thread-id="h-GetYourGuide-20231201180600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-GetYourGuide-20231201180600"></span><a href="/wiki/GetYourGuide" title="GetYourGuide">GetYourGuide</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-GetYourGuide-20231201180600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=68" title="Edit section: GetYourGuide"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Claresayasronning-20231201180600-GetYourGuide"></span>Hi Graywalls. My name is Clare and I work for <a href="/wiki/GetYourGuide" title="GetYourGuide">GetYourGuide</a>. I put together some proposed edits at <a href="/wiki/User:Claresayasronning/getyourguidedraft" title="User:Claresayasronning/getyourguidedraft">User:Claresayasronning/getyourguidedraft</a> I was hoping an impartial editor would review. This is to trim directory information, correct that GetYourGuide is an online marketplace (not a travel agency), and a few other things. <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:CorporateM" title="User:CorporateM">CorporateM</a>:</span> suggested you were "tough but fair" and I should see if you'd be willing to take a look at the edits.<a href="/wiki/User:Claresayasronning" title="User:Claresayasronning">Claresayasronning</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Claresayasronning" title="User talk:Claresayasronning">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Claresayasronning-20231201180600-GetYourGuide" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Claresayasronning-20231201180600-GetYourGuide"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Claresayasronning-20231201180600-GetYourGuide"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20231201221100-Claresayasronning-20231201180600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Claresayasronning" title="User:Claresayasronning">Claresayasronning</a>:</span> The proposed looks better than how it is now even though it could use some tweaking. Can you make an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Simple_conflict_of_interest_edit_request" title="Wikipedia:Simple conflict of interest edit request">edit request</a> on the article's talk page with the revised version that's ready to be pasted in? <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) 22:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC) <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20231201221100-Claresayasronning-20231201180600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20231201221100-Claresayasronning-20231201180600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20231201221100-Claresayasronning-20231201180600"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Claresayasronning-20231204190900-Graywalls-20231201221100"></span>No problem. Thanks so much for taking a look. I've posted <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:GetYourGuide#Requested_changes">here</a> per your instruction with a copy/paste version of the article with the edits incorporated. The new, revised version of the page would still have a lot of uncited content, a Forbes Contributor, and other problems, but it's a step in the right direction. I don't think any volunteer editor would review all of the edits necessary to get the page into decent shape all-at-once, but hopefully this gets it halfway there. <a href="/wiki/User:Claresayasronning" title="User:Claresayasronning">Claresayasronning</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Claresayasronning" title="User talk:Claresayasronning">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Claresayasronning-20231204190900-Graywalls-20231201221100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:09, 4 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Claresayasronning-20231204190900-Graywalls-20231201221100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Claresayasronning-20231204190900-Graywalls-20231201221100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_for_review:_Garrett_Camp_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_review:_Garrett_Camp_page-20231206000700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_review:_Garrett_Camp_page-20231206000700"></span>Request for review: Garrett Camp page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_review:_Garrett_Camp_page-20231206000700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=69" title="Edit section: Request for review: Garrett Camp page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_Pinette-20231206000700-Request_for_review:_Garrett_Camp_page"></span>I work for <a href="/wiki/Garrett_Camp" title="Garrett Camp">Garrett Camp</a>. The current page is pretty bare bones and still has a promotional "Awards and Honors" section among other issues. I shared a <b><a href="/wiki/User:John_Pinette/draftGarrettCamp" title="User:John Pinette/draftGarrettCamp">proposed expansion</a></b> a few months ago. Spintendo had some minor feedback, which I addressed. Would you be willing to take a look to see if the draft is ready for article-space? <a href="/wiki/User:John_Pinette" title="User:John Pinette">John Pinette</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Pinette" title="User talk:John Pinette">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-John_Pinette-20231206000700-Request_for_review:_Garrett_Camp_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:07, 6 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_Pinette-20231206000700-Request_for_review:_Garrett_Camp_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_Pinette-20231206000700-Request_for_review:_Garrett_Camp_page"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="FYI_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-FYI_2-20231218203300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-FYI_2-20231218203300"></span>FYI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-FYI_2-20231218203300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=70" title="Edit section: FYI"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sphilbrick-20231218203300-FYI_2"></span>FYI, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oregon&diff=1190570568">The edit you reverted</a> appears to be a copy within Wikipedia from <a href="/wiki/History_of_Oregon" title="History of Oregon">History of Oregon</a> although it wasn't properly attributed. <a href="/wiki/User:Sphilbrick" title="User:Sphilbrick"><span style="color:#000E2F;padding:0 4px;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light">S Philbrick</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sphilbrick" title="User talk:Sphilbrick"><span style=";padding:0 4px;color:# 000;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light">(Talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Sphilbrick-20231218203300-FYI_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 18 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sphilbrick-20231218203300-FYI_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sphilbrick-20231218203300-FYI_2"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Another_walled_garden?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Another_walled_garden?-20231223223200"><span id="Another_walled_garden.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Another_walled_garden?-20231223223200"></span>Another walled garden?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Another_walled_garden?-20231223223200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=71" title="Edit section: Another walled garden?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20231223223200-Another_walled_garden?"></span>What I find odd about the most recent flurry of articles is that it might be yet another <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WALLEDGARDEN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WALLEDGARDEN">WP:WALLEDGARDEN</a>. For a community with a population of just over 3,000 people, there sure are alot of articles about it, and they all link to one another. When I look at a similarly affluent and artsy/touristy small town, say Aspen, Colorado (population 7,000 - twice as large), there seem to much fewer articles about it. I've been monitoring several small-town articles in Colorado as they are prone to promotional editing by chamber of commerce and tourism companies, but I have not encounted the same type of potential walled gardens. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20231223223200-Another_walled_garden?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20231223223200-Another_walled_garden?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20231223223200-Another_walled_garden?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20231224212300-Netherzone-20231223223200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, yep. seems like it. I don't count on Henderson coming forward on his own. There will likely be more of them to be discovered in their previously authored articles. It's ridiculous. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20231224212300-Netherzone-20231223223200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:23, 24 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20231224212300-Netherzone-20231223223200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20231224212300-Netherzone-20231223223200"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240105095000-Netherzone-20231223223200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, check out the last two dozen or so edits I've made. Somehow, a lot of these "walled garden" building pages contain(ed) the name and the URL of the CURRENT tenant. With a history of extremely promotional tone, amplification of flattering contents, omitting unflattering contents and the UPE, I wonder if the placement of present tenant could be a major reason for creation of these articles.</dd> <dd>Another editor <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1087806028" title="Special:Diff/1087806028">caught</a> Greg making a false claim of something being <a href="/wiki/National_Register_of_Historic_Places" title="National Register of Historic Places">National Register of Historic Places</a>. I've wondered why many of his claims about NRHP are referenced to ci.carmel.ca.us. Will need more random checking for sure. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240105095000-Netherzone-20231223223200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 5 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240105095000-Netherzone-20231223223200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240105095000-Netherzone-20231223223200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Walled_garden_inside_a_walled_garden?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Walled_garden_inside_a_walled_garden?-Another_walled_garden?-20240109185200"><span id="Walled_garden_inside_a_walled_garden.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Walled_garden_inside_a_walled_garden?-Another_walled_garden?-20240109185200"></span>Walled garden inside a walled garden?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Walled_garden_inside_a_walled_garden?-Another_walled_garden?-20240109185200"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=72" title="Edit section: Walled garden inside a walled garden?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240109185200-Walled_garden_inside_a_walled_garden?"></span>Apologies in advance for the length of this. I started looking at some of the historical building articles, and there is a cluster of them that are actually all part of the same block in Carmel, linked up to a cluster of builders. (Some are more broadly distributed in Carmel.) I've only just started to analyze this, and need some more eyes, hence pinging <a href="/wiki/User:Melcous" title="User:Melcous">Melcous</a> {{u|Graywalls) for feedback. </p><p>What also strikes me as odd, is that many of the entries historical significance is referenced to a Calif. Dept of Parks & Recreation database that is sometimes linked in the refs to the National Park Service, or to some other type of spreadsheet like the Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.ci.carmel.ca.us/sites/main/files/file-attachments/carmel_historic_survey_volume_ii_blocks_70-end_plus_historic_objects__districts.pdf">this spreadsheet</a>, or toa "Downtown Historic Survey" document. Most have been nominated/submitted for historical recognition but have <i>not received it</i>. These don't seem to be on the Calif. Historic Registry nor the National Registry of Historic Places. I'm not sure if these types of documents are enough to confer <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NBUILDING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NBUILDING">WP:NBUILDING</a>. </p><p>Some examples of structures: <a href="/wiki/The_Tuck_Box" class="mw-redirect" title="The Tuck Box">The Tuck Box</a>, <a href="/wiki/Garden_Shop_Addition" class="mw-redirect" title="Garden Shop Addition">Garden Shop Addition</a>, <a href="/wiki/Philip_Wilson_Building" class="mw-redirect" title="Philip Wilson Building">Philip Wilson Building</a>, <a href="/wiki/Lemos_Building" class="mw-redirect" title="Lemos Building">Lemos Building</a>,[ <a href="/wiki/Blue_Bird_Tea_Room" class="mw-redirect" title="Blue Bird Tea Room">Blue Bird Tea Room</a>, <a href="/wiki/Mary_Dummage_Shop" class="mw-redirect" title="Mary Dummage Shop">Mary Dummage Shop</a>, <a href="/wiki/Amelia_Gates_Building" class="mw-redirect" title="Amelia Gates Building">Amelia Gates Building</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Adam_Fox_Building&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Adam Fox Building (page does not exist)">Adam Fox Building</a>, <a href="/wiki/Bank_of_Carmel" class="mw-redirect" title="Bank of Carmel">Bank of Carmel</a>, <a href="/wiki/Bernard_Wetzel_Building" class="mw-redirect" title="Bernard Wetzel Building">Bernard Wetzel Building</a>, <a href="/wiki/Carmel_Weavers_Studio" class="mw-redirect" title="Carmel Weavers Studio">Carmel Weavers Studio</a>, <a href="/wiki/Doud_Building" class="mw-redirect" title="Doud Building">Doud Building</a>, <a href="/wiki/Draper_Leidig_Building" class="mw-redirect" title="Draper Leidig Building">Draper Leidig Building</a>, <a href="/wiki/Enchanted_Oaks_Building" class="mw-redirect" title="Enchanted Oaks Building">Enchanted Oaks Building</a>, <a href="/wiki/Fee_Building" class="mw-redirect" title="Fee Building">Fee Building</a>, <a href="/wiki/Goold_Building" class="mw-redirect" title="Goold Building">Goold Building</a>, and many, many more. Just because something has been nominated and submitted to the record, does not mean that it is designated ON a state or national record . It almost seems like a coffee table book is being gone thru and an article is being made for every page? </p><p>Some reoccurring names: <a href="/wiki/Pedro_Joseph_de_Lemos" title="Pedro Joseph de Lemos">Pedro J. Lemos</a>, <a href="/wiki/Ray_C._De_Yoe" title="Ray C. De Yoe">Ray C. De Yoe</a>, <a href="/wiki/Percy_Parkes" class="mw-redirect" title="Percy Parkes">Percy Parkes</a>, <a href="/wiki/James_Franklin_Devendorf" title="James Franklin Devendorf">James Franklin Devendorf</a>, <a href="/wiki/Frank_Hubbard_Powers" title="Frank Hubbard Powers">Frank Hubbard Powers</a>, <a href="/wiki/Hugh_W._Comstock" class="mw-redirect" title="Hugh W. Comstock">Hugh W. Comstock</a> (not a comprehensive list for structures or people). </p><p>Also, I recently discovered a <a class="external text" href="https://wikishootme.toolforge.org">toolforge tool</a> for mapping the number of articles to a specific place. You have to turn on location services/geolocation in your browser for it to work (I'm on Safari). I'm still getting the hang of it, but what it revealed through a couple of searches was a huge cluster in the same area of Carmel, California, and Carmel-by-the-Sea. I mentioned it before but it is really overwhelming how many articles there are for a place with a population of only about 3,000. Most much larger cities don't have such over-coverage. </p><p>I am wondering if many of these can be redirected, merged, or consolidated and which ones might be non-notable per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NBUILDING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NBUILDING">WP:NBUILDING</a> once the sourcing is analyzed, since it seems like some of the sources aren't even about the structure, but about associated persons or nearby structures (which seems to fit <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Walled_garden" title="Wikipedia:Walled garden">walled garden</a> linkage). Also see <a href="/wiki/List_of_Historic_Buildings_in_Carmel-by-the-Sea" class="mw-redirect" title="List of Historic Buildings in Carmel-by-the-Sea">List of Historic Buildings in Carmel-by-the-Sea</a> for buildings that have simply been submitted to the <i>Downtown Conservation District Historic Property Survey</i> or are on the Parks & Rec database. I haven't started clean up yet, wanted to get some other opinions first. If I am wrong about this, please do let me know. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240109185200-Walled_garden_inside_a_walled_garden?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 9 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240109185200-Walled_garden_inside_a_walled_garden?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240109185200-Walled_garden_inside_a_walled_garden?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240109194100-Netherzone-20240109185200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, A lot of these Carmel-by-the-Sea things are definitely parallel to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Pok%C3%A9mon_test" title="Wikipedia:Pokémon test">WP:Pokémon test</a> as the historic homes book by Momboisse's with captions of the house is kind of like this <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://shop.scholastic.com/teachers-ecommerce/teacher/books/pokemon-super-extra-deluxe-essential-handbook-9781338714128.html">Pokemon characters guide</a>. Creating an article on each Pokemon listed there using that book as a reference would not fly. Neither should a lot of these Carmel/Monterey/Pebble Beach stuff. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240109194100-Netherzone-20240109185200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:41, 9 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240109194100-Netherzone-20240109185200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240109194100-Netherzone-20240109185200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240109195200-Graywalls-20240109194100"></span>Agreed. What seems dubious is that so many of these buildings are not on the National Registry of Historical Places. If they were, I would not be concerned. These were simply nominated or paperwork was submitted for a lesser designation (state, parks & rec, local), that was never granted or registered. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240109195200-Graywalls-20240109194100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 9 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240109195200-Graywalls-20240109194100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240109195200-Graywalls-20240109194100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Melcous-20240109214500-Netherzone-20240109195200"></span>Agree this is concerning. You will see from the editor's talk page that I personally do not think that being on the Register <i>in and of itself</i> makes a building notable as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NBUILDING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NBUILDING">WP:NBUILDING</a> <i>also</i> requires significant coverage in third party sources (and are we really saying all 95,000 buildings on the US register + every building in every other country with a similar kind of register is worthy of an article here?) Even more concerning if the register entry itself is not even verified. There are so many of these articles that it feels overwhelming. I have nominated the article I've been looking at as an example - <a href="/wiki/27%E2%80%9329_Fountain_Alley" title="27–29 Fountain Alley">27–29 Fountain Alley</a> - for deletion in hopes of getting a subject expert or more experienced eyes on this. <a href="/wiki/User:Melcous" title="User:Melcous">Melcous</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Melcous" title="User talk:Melcous">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Melcous-20240109214500-Netherzone-20240109195200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:45, 9 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Melcous-20240109214500-Netherzone-20240109195200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Melcous-20240109214500-Netherzone-20240109195200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Roy_Bahat" data-mw-thread-id="h-Roy_Bahat-20231228180700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Roy_Bahat-20231228180700"></span><a href="/wiki/Roy_Bahat" title="Roy Bahat">Roy Bahat</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Roy_Bahat-20231228180700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=73" title="Edit section: Roy Bahat"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Angela.Martin2023-20231228180700-Roy_Bahat"></span>I noticed you were one of the biggest contributors<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://xtools.wmcloud.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Bloomberg_L.P.">[9]</a> to <a href="/wiki/Bloomberg_L.P." title="Bloomberg L.P.">Bloomberg L.P.</a>. I was wondering if you could take a look at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Roy_Bahat" title="Talk:Roy Bahat">Talk:Roy_Bahat</a>. The page is about the head of the Bloomberg venture capital arm. I have a disclosed conflict of interest, as I work for Bloomberg. <a href="/wiki/User:Angela.Martin2023" title="User:Angela.Martin2023">Angela.Martin2023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Angela.Martin2023" title="User talk:Angela.Martin2023">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Angela.Martin2023-20231228180700-Roy_Bahat" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:07, 28 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Angela.Martin2023-20231228180700-Roy_Bahat"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Angela.Martin2023-20231228180700-Roy_Bahat"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Gore-tex_use_in_making_bagpipe_bags_reversion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Gore-tex_use_in_making_bagpipe_bags_reversion-20231230230400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Gore-tex_use_in_making_bagpipe_bags_reversion-20231230230400"></span>Gore-tex use in making bagpipe bags reversion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Gore-tex_use_in_making_bagpipe_bags_reversion-20231230230400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=74" title="Edit section: Gore-tex use in making bagpipe bags reversion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Frotz-20231230230400-Gore-tex_use_in_making_bagpipe_bags_reversion"></span>Please explain why you reverted <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gore-Tex&oldid=1192522139">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gore-Tex&oldid=1192522139</a>. What you wrote isn't helpful. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Frotz" title="User:Frotz">Frotz</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Frotz" title="User talk:Frotz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Frotz-20231230230400-Gore-tex_use_in_making_bagpipe_bags_reversion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:04, 30 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Frotz-20231230230400-Gore-tex_use_in_making_bagpipe_bags_reversion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Frotz-20231230230400-Gore-tex_use_in_making_bagpipe_bags_reversion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20231231011900-Frotz-20231230230400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Frotz" title="User:Frotz">Frotz</a>:</span>, it was sourced to a product manufacturer's page, then a one-man instrument service shop blog. I didn't really look into how prevalent it was, although after verifying the usage through a reliable source, I see it is reasonable, and I replaced the source. It's pretty common on Wikipedia for someone to insert usage sourced on vanity sources in order to promote the source. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20231231011900-Frotz-20231230230400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:19, 31 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20231231011900-Frotz-20231230230400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20231231011900-Frotz-20231230230400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tesla_Cybertruck_sources" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tesla_Cybertruck_sources-20231231094900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tesla_Cybertruck_sources-20231231094900"></span>Tesla Cybertruck sources<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tesla_Cybertruck_sources-20231231094900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=75" title="Edit section: Tesla Cybertruck sources"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Left_guide-20231231094900-Tesla_Cybertruck_sources"></span>Hey, good catch on the Engadget revert (thanks), turns out it's actually listed in green at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSP">WP:RSP</a> which I should've checked beforehand. If I may ask your feedback, is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.teslarati.com">teslarati.com</a> an independent reliable source for the article? Not sure what to make of that one. As of <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tesla_Cybertruck&oldid=1192787689">the current version</a>, it's used for citations 25, 27, and 32. <a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Left_guide" title="User talk:Left guide">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Left_guide-20231231094900-Tesla_Cybertruck_sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Left_guide-20231231094900-Tesla_Cybertruck_sources"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Left_guide-20231231094900-Tesla_Cybertruck_sources"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Mary_L._Hamlin" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Mary_L._Hamlin-20240104211400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Mary_L._Hamlin-20240104211400"></span>Speedy deletion nomination of Mary L. Hamlin<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Mary_L._Hamlin-20240104211400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=76" title="Edit section: Speedy deletion nomination of Mary L. Hamlin"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CoconutOctopus-20240104211400-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Mary_L._Hamlin"></span>Hello Graywalls, </p><p>I wanted to let you know that I just tagged <a href="/w/index.php?title=Mary_L._Hamlin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Mary L. Hamlin (page does not exist)">Mary L. Hamlin</a> for deletion, because it's a redirect from an article title to a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Namespace" title="Wikipedia:Namespace">namespace</a> that's not for articles. </p><p>If you don't want Mary L. Hamlin to be deleted, you can <span class="plainlinks"><b><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMary+L.+Hamlin&action=edit&section=new&preload=Template:Hangon_preload&preloadtitle=This+page+should+not+be+speedy+deleted+because...+">contest this deletion</a></b></span>, but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top. </p><p>You can leave a note on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CoconutOctopus" title="User talk:CoconutOctopus">my talk page</a> if you have questions. Thanks! </p><p><small>Message delivered via the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Help" title="Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help">Page Curation</a> tool, on behalf of the reviewer.</small> </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:CoconutOctopus" title="User:CoconutOctopus"><span style="color: purple">CoconutOctopus</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CoconutOctopus" title="User talk:CoconutOctopus"><span style="color: pink">talk</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-CoconutOctopus-20240104211400-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Mary_L._Hamlin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CoconutOctopus-20240104211400-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Mary_L._Hamlin"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CoconutOctopus-20240104211400-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Mary_L._Hamlin"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notability_standards_for_restaurants" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notability_standards_for_restaurants-20240104214900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notability_standards_for_restaurants-20240104214900"></span>Notability standards for restaurants<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notability_standards_for_restaurants-20240104214900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=77" title="Edit section: Notability standards for restaurants"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20240104214900-Notability_standards_for_restaurants"></span>As I promised in our discussion yesterday, I have significantly expanded <a href="/wiki/Smyth_(restaurant)" title="Smyth (restaurant)">Smyth (restaurant)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Goosefoot_(Chicago_restaurant)" class="mw-redirect" title="Goosefoot (Chicago restaurant)">Goosefoot (Chicago restaurant)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Cullen328-20240104214900-Notability_standards_for_restaurants" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20240104214900-Notability_standards_for_restaurants"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20240104214900-Notability_standards_for_restaurants"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Titmouse,_Inc._Page_Edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-Titmouse,_Inc._Page_Edits-20240201213400"><span id="Titmouse.2C_Inc._Page_Edits"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Titmouse,_Inc._Page_Edits-20240201213400"></span>Titmouse, Inc. Page Edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Titmouse,_Inc._Page_Edits-20240201213400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=78" title="Edit section: Titmouse, Inc. Page Edits"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JillTMouse-20240201213400-Titmouse,_Inc._Page_Edits"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">User:Graywalls</a>. I see the filmography section of the <a href="/wiki/Titmouse,_Inc." title="Titmouse, Inc.">Titmouse, Inc.</a> article has become quite the source of discussion. After reviewing the Wikipedia pages you suggested on the talk page about the list rules, it does look like a filmography section isn’t appropriate. </p><p>I do have a question for you about other edits I have proposed on the talk page. One of those is adding citations for some content that currently isn’t sourced. Given that my talk page content hasn’t received any response thus far, could you advise me on whether this is still worth pursuing? It seems like the page could use some sections, and I have content regarding some of Titmouse’s projects that I would like to propose that I think would improve and update the page. I would appreciate any feedback or recommendations you may have regarding future updates. I want to follow the appropriate rules and criteria. Thank you and best, <a href="/wiki/User:JillTMouse" title="User:JillTMouse">JillTMouse</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JillTMouse" title="User talk:JillTMouse">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-JillTMouse-20240201213400-Titmouse,_Inc._Page_Edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JillTMouse-20240201213400-Titmouse,_Inc._Page_Edits"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JillTMouse-20240201213400-Titmouse,_Inc._Page_Edits"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You_posted_the_wrong_obituary" data-mw-thread-id="h-You_posted_the_wrong_obituary-20240203131100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You_posted_the_wrong_obituary-20240203131100"></span>You posted the wrong obituary<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You_posted_the_wrong_obituary-20240203131100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=79" title="Edit section: You posted the wrong obituary"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alexander_D._Henderson_(businessman)&oldid=1202717721"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-7&6=thirteen-20240203131100-You_posted_the_wrong_obituary"></span>NY Times obituary is for</a> <a href="/wiki/Alexander_D._Henderson,_Jr." class="mw-redirect" title="Alexander D. Henderson, Jr.">Alexander D. Henderson, Jr.</a> not <a href="/w/index.php?title=Alexander_D._Henderson_(businessman)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Alexander D. Henderson (businessman) (page does not exist)">Alexander D. Henderson (businessman)</a> <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href="/wiki/User:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:7%266%3Dthirteen" title="User talk:7&6=thirteen"><b style="color:#000">☎</b></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-7&6=thirteen-20240203131100-You_posted_the_wrong_obituary" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 3 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-7&6=thirteen-20240203131100-You_posted_the_wrong_obituary"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-7&6=thirteen-20240203131100-You_posted_the_wrong_obituary"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="LastPass" data-mw-thread-id="h-LastPass-20240208182500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-LastPass-20240208182500"></span><a href="/wiki/LastPass" title="LastPass">LastPass</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-LastPass-20240208182500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=80" title="Edit section: LastPass"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AmyMarchiando-20240208182500-LastPass"></span>Hi Graywalls. I have a disclosed conflict of interest with <a href="/wiki/LastPass" title="LastPass">LastPass</a>. Currently, there is a "Security incidents" section on the LastPass page that relies heavily on primary sources, citations that are misrepresented, and other improper cites. I put together a detailed breakdown <b><a href="/wiki/User:AmyMarchiando/draft" title="User:AmyMarchiando/draft">here</a></b>. Pursuant to WP:COI, I should not edit it myself. I wanted to see if you have time to review the breakdown and make any changes you feel are warranted as an impartial editor? Let me know. See <a href="/wiki/Talk:LastPass#Poor_citations" title="Talk:LastPass">Talk:LastPass#Poor_citations</a> from November 2023. <a href="/wiki/User:AmyMarchiando" title="User:AmyMarchiando">AmyMarchiando</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmyMarchiando" title="User talk:AmyMarchiando">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-AmyMarchiando-20240208182500-LastPass" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AmyMarchiando-20240208182500-LastPass"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AmyMarchiando-20240208182500-LastPass"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="OR_and_Rent_regulation" data-mw-thread-id="h-OR_and_Rent_regulation-20240210005000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-OR_and_Rent_regulation-20240210005000"></span>OR and Rent regulation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-OR_and_Rent_regulation-20240210005000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=81" title="Edit section: OR and Rent regulation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MrOllie-20240210005000-OR_and_Rent_regulation"></span>The sources aren't individual datapoints, they're sources that explicitly make the point that there is a consensus of economists. <a href="/wiki/User:MrOllie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MrOllie">MrOllie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie" title="User talk:MrOllie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-MrOllie-20240210005000-OR_and_Rent_regulation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 10 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MrOllie-20240210005000-OR_and_Rent_regulation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MrOllie-20240210005000-OR_and_Rent_regulation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Controversial_merge" data-mw-thread-id="h-Controversial_merge-20240215163300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Controversial_merge-20240215163300"></span>Controversial merge<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Controversial_merge-20240215163300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=82" title="Edit section: Controversial merge"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300-Controversial_merge"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a>:</span> You redirected the article <a href="/wiki/American_Legion_Post_No._512" class="mw-redirect" title="American Legion Post No. 512">American Legion Post No. 512</a> without discussion. Based on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MERGE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MERGE">WP:MERGE</a>, "Any editor can perform a merge. No permission or discussion is needed if you think the merge is uncontroversial; just do it (but it might get reverted). Otherwise, the merge should be first proposed and discussed, as detailed below. When performing a merge, one should remember to reconcile talk pages, and to attribute copied content, as required by Wikipedia's license. At minimum, this means adding words "Merged content to/from <a href="/wiki/Page" class="mw-disambig" title="Page">page</a>" to edit summaries. See How to merge below for details." BTW, this is not really a merge because you are not merging anything, it is just a redirect. </p><p>I could have "undone" this edit, but decided to speak to you first. I understand from your comments you said "Not independently notable to merit its own article. The building isn't NRHP. Redirect per WP:BRANCH." However, you did not discuss this with me first. According to the guidelines, the article needs "substantially discussed by reliable independent sources that extend beyond the chapter's local area." The article has 10 sources, at least two by secondary sources. This should be enough to establish notability. By redirecting to <a href="/wiki/American_Legion" title="American Legion">American Legion</a> you loose any mention of the <a href="/wiki/American_Legion_Post_No._512" class="mw-redirect" title="American Legion Post No. 512">American Legion Post No. 512</a>. Perhaps you just don't care, but it means a lot to me and I am sure people from the <a href="/wiki/Monterey_County,_California" title="Monterey County, California">Monterey County, California</a>. Please reconsider not redirecting this article. <a href="/wiki/User:Greghenderson2006" title="User:Greghenderson2006">Greg Henderson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greghenderson2006#top" title="User talk:Greghenderson2006">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300-Controversial_merge" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300-Controversial_merge"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300-Controversial_merge"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240215181300-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Greghenderson2006" title="User:Greghenderson2006">Greghenderson2006</a>:</span>, Actually, I don't believe there's adequate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGCOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIGCOV">WP:SIGCOV</a> to merit a stand alone article for the building and local branches/locations of a larger organization don't merit its own article unless the branch itself is specifically notable. I don't think Legion post 512 meets <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCORP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCORP">WP:NCORP</a> threshold. Nobody <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OWN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OWN">owns</a> an article, so there's really no expectation to ask anyone in particular to make a new edit, unless you're talking about disputed edits. <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Lyndaship" title="User:Lyndaship">Lyndaship</a>:</span>, do you have any thoughts on this article? I just happen to notice you edited on this article recently, albeit a minor edit. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240215181300-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 15 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240215181300-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240215181300-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lyndaship-20240215182000-Graywalls-20240215181300"></span>My edit was solely as a result of Gnoming removing deleted portals. However, having read the article following your ping I am amazed that any editor felt it deserved it's own article. <a href="/wiki/User:Lyndaship" title="User:Lyndaship">Lyndaship</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lyndaship" title="User talk:Lyndaship">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Lyndaship-20240215182000-Graywalls-20240215181300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 15 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lyndaship-20240215182000-Graywalls-20240215181300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lyndaship-20240215182000-Graywalls-20240215181300"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greghenderson2006-20240215183200-Graywalls-20240215181300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a>:</span> Yes, it is a disputed edit. I don't think you should "delete" by redirect an article like this without going through the formal <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">WP:AFD</a> deletion process. <a href="/wiki/User:Greghenderson2006" title="User:Greghenderson2006">Greg Henderson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greghenderson2006#top" title="User talk:Greghenderson2006">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Greghenderson2006-20240215183200-Graywalls-20240215181300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 15 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greghenderson2006-20240215183200-Graywalls-20240215181300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greghenderson2006-20240215183200-Graywalls-20240215181300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRANCH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRANCH"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240216012400-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300"></span>WP:BRANCH</a> is relevant. One could claim <a href="/w/index.php?title=Walmart_Cornelius,_Oregon&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Walmart Cornelius, Oregon (page does not exist)">Walmart Cornelius, Oregon</a> is "Notable based on criteria WP:GNG: American Legion Post No. 512 has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" citing "multiple coverages" per <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.oregonlive.com/forest-grove/2013/07/wal-marts_impact_in_cornelius.html">https://www.oregonlive.com/forest-grove/2013/07/wal-marts_impact_in_cornelius.html</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://katu.com/news/local/arson-arrest-made-after-small-fire-set-in-cornelius-walmart">https://katu.com/news/local/arson-arrest-made-after-small-fire-set-in-cornelius-walmart</a> yet, just it would be ridiculous article to create and probably subject to deletion, just like this Legion Post article you're disputing. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240216012400-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240216012400-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240216012400-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greghenderson2006-20240216015100-Graywalls-20240216012400"></span>Not sure how you can compare a Walmart Cornelius, Oregon with two news sources any comparison to an actual American Legion Post that is notable for being a historic meeting hall and landmark since 1921, recognized by the city of Carmel as an important resource, and was originally built by World War I veterans. You complexity deleted the article without any kind of Afd nomination. This is a disputed edit that should be reverted. <a href="/wiki/User:Greghenderson2006" title="User:Greghenderson2006">Greg Henderson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greghenderson2006#top" title="User talk:Greghenderson2006">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Greghenderson2006-20240216015100-Graywalls-20240216012400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:51, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greghenderson2006-20240216015100-Graywalls-20240216012400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greghenderson2006-20240216015100-Graywalls-20240216012400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240216020000-Greghenderson2006-20240216015100"></span>Being recognized as "historical" by local village or township is not really a credible assertion of notability. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240216020000-Greghenderson2006-20240216015100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:00, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240216020000-Greghenderson2006-20240216015100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240216020000-Greghenderson2006-20240216015100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240216072200-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Greghenderson2006" title="User:Greghenderson2006">Greghenderson2006</a>:</span>, I do not believe this branch of American Legion Posts merits a standalone article, so I am not reinstating it. If you insist, there's nothing preventing you from reverting it and at that point, it will be taken to AfD and consume more community resources over this. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240216072200-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240216072200-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240216072200-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240217195900-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Greghenderson2006" title="User:Greghenderson2006">Greghenderson2006</a>:</span>, so I have addressed your concerns here. Now please do the courtesy of answering my question at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Blue_Bird_Tea_Room" title="Talk:Blue Bird Tea Room">Talk:Blue_Bird_Tea_Room</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240217195900-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:59, 17 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240217195900-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240217195900-Greghenderson2006-20240215163300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greghenderson2006-20240217212600-Graywalls-20240217195900"></span>I will on the <a href="/wiki/Blue_Bird_Tea_Room" class="mw-redirect" title="Blue Bird Tea Room">Blue Bird Tea Room</a> Talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:Greghenderson2006" title="User:Greghenderson2006">Greg Henderson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greghenderson2006#top" title="User talk:Greghenderson2006">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Greghenderson2006-20240217212600-Graywalls-20240217195900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 17 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greghenderson2006-20240217212600-Graywalls-20240217195900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greghenderson2006-20240217212600-Graywalls-20240217195900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Jay_Penske" data-mw-thread-id="h-Jay_Penske-20240224190100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Jay_Penske-20240224190100"></span>Jay Penske<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Jay_Penske-20240224190100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=83" title="Edit section: Jay Penske"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mansheimer-20240224190100-Jay_Penske"></span>As you're the expert, I thought I'd give you a heads up on possible COI editing patterns at <a href="/wiki/Jay_Penske" title="Jay Penske">Jay Penske</a>. I toned a little bit down in his early life, but there's a lot of other primary source material to sort through that I will have to get to later. I wanted to get your thoughts before doing any additional edits, because some of this material looks to be pretty difficult to find through normal search engines, stuff that friends and relatives would know about, such as the early life primary sources from his prep school days. <a href="/wiki/User:Mansheimer" title="User:Mansheimer">Mansheimer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mansheimer" title="User talk:Mansheimer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Mansheimer-20240224190100-Jay_Penske" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 24 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mansheimer-20240224190100-Jay_Penske"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mansheimer-20240224190100-Jay_Penske"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Big_Sur_CoI_allegations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Big_Sur_CoI_allegations-20240311132200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Big_Sur_CoI_allegations-20240311132200"></span>Big Sur CoI allegations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Big_Sur_CoI_allegations-20240311132200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=84" title="Edit section: Big Sur CoI allegations"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RadioactiveBoulevardier-20240311132200-Big_Sur_CoI_allegations"></span>On what basis exactly are you suggesting that Btphelps was conducting UPE? <a href="/wiki/User:RadioactiveBoulevardier" title="User:RadioactiveBoulevardier">RadioactiveBoulevardier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RadioactiveBoulevardier" title="User talk:RadioactiveBoulevardier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-RadioactiveBoulevardier-20240311132200-Big_Sur_CoI_allegations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:22, 11 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RadioactiveBoulevardier-20240311132200-Big_Sur_CoI_allegations"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RadioactiveBoulevardier-20240311132200-Big_Sur_CoI_allegations"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240311132600-RadioactiveBoulevardier-20240311132200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:RadioactiveBoulevardier" title="User:RadioactiveBoulevardier">RadioactiveBoulevardier</a>:</span>, Off wiki evidence strongly shows they have a massive COI with the pages <a href="/w/index.php?title=White_Stag_Leadership_Development_Program&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="White Stag Leadership Development Program (page does not exist)">White Stag Leadership Development Program</a> and <a href="/wiki/B%C3%A9la_H._B%C3%A1n%C3%A1thy" title="Béla H. Bánáthy">Béla H. Bánáthy</a>. If you conduct research on the sources and names, it should become evident, but I can not post specifics because of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OUTING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OUTING">WP:OUTING</a> policy. Please see the WSLDP article talk page and GA related discussions on those two articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240311132600-RadioactiveBoulevardier-20240311132200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240311132600-RadioactiveBoulevardier-20240311132200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240311132600-RadioactiveBoulevardier-20240311132200"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NODEADLINE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NODEADLINE"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RadioactiveBoulevardier-20240311134300-Graywalls-20240311132600"></span>WP:NODEADLINE</a>…I’m not really familiar with the processes for handling UPE, but you probably are. If you think there’s a problem, go report them and afterward you could reopen a new thread on that article after those processes have concluded.</dd> <dd>FYI, I had closed the thread because it was clearly not going anywhere. Also, I had just been on the receiving end of multiple non-admin closes by an editor who we’ll probably be seeing at RfA before the year is out and I wanted to see what it was like to do one…and the perfect opportunity to help out came up randomly.</dd> <dd>In short…don’t just raise content-centered conplaints based on unsubstantiated allegations. Instead, summon Btphelps to the appropriate drama board and have at it until their innocence or guilt is determined.</dd> <dd>From the above threads it sounds like you have a history at COIN…so you should know the process better than I do.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:RadioactiveBoulevardier" title="User:RadioactiveBoulevardier">RadioactiveBoulevardier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RadioactiveBoulevardier" title="User talk:RadioactiveBoulevardier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-RadioactiveBoulevardier-20240311134300-Graywalls-20240311132600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 11 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RadioactiveBoulevardier-20240311134300-Graywalls-20240311132600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RadioactiveBoulevardier-20240311134300-Graywalls-20240311132600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields" data-mw-thread-id="h-Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields-20240314193900"><span id="Joanna_Shields.2C_Baroness_Shields"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields-20240314193900"></span><a href="/wiki/Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields" title="Joanna Shields, Baroness Shields">Joanna Shields, Baroness Shields</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields-20240314193900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=85" title="Edit section: Joanna Shields, Baroness Shields"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bakerlr-20240314193900-Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields"></span>Hi Graywalls. I disclosed a conflict of interest <a href="/wiki/Talk:Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields#Suggested_Stubbing" title="Talk:Joanna Shields, Baroness Shields">here</a> and requested stubbing a page (<b><a href="/wiki/User:Bakerlr/draft" title="User:Bakerlr/draft">draft here</a></b>) that has been plagued by improper COI editing from my predecessors. Another person at my firm already made a similar request and did not get a response. User CorporateM said you were recommended by an editor he trusts, Drmies, and that you seemed to be potentially responsive to such requests. I was hoping you might be willing to take a look. <a href="/wiki/User:Bakerlr" title="User:Bakerlr">Bakerlr</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bakerlr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Bakerlr (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Bakerlr-20240314193900-Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bakerlr-20240314193900-Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bakerlr-20240314193900-Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20240322015900-Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields"></span>Speaking of which, North has a COI with the Boy Scouts. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drmies" title="User talk:Drmies">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Drmies-20240322015900-Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:59, 22 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20240322015900-Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20240322015900-Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240322020300-Drmies-20240322015900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a>:</span>, care to look at user btphelps ? There is very strong evidence of public relations editing which surrounds <a href="/wiki/B%C3%A9la_B%C3%A1n%C3%A1thy" class="mw-disambig" title="Béla Bánáthy">Béla Bánáthy</a> and the now deleted White Stag Leadership thing and has much to do with scouting related stuff. They've been inserting a lot of refs to whitestag.org and pinetreeweb I submitted the evidence to paid-en-wp email. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240322020300-Drmies-20240322015900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:03, 22 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240322020300-Drmies-20240322015900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240322020300-Drmies-20240322015900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20240322021400-Graywalls-20240322020300"></span>Haha you didn't have to publicize that. Yes, there's a few. I don't see what's going on in <a href="/wiki/B%C3%A9la_H._B%C3%A1n%C3%A1thy" title="Béla H. Bánáthy">Béla H. Bánáthy</a>, and obviously you can't post it here. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drmies" title="User talk:Drmies">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Drmies-20240322021400-Graywalls-20240322020300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20240322021400-Graywalls-20240322020300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20240322021400-Graywalls-20240322020300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Interesting" data-mw-thread-id="h-Interesting-20240317232100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Interesting-20240317232100"></span>Interesting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Interesting-20240317232100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=86" title="Edit section: Interesting"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240317232100-Interesting"></span>Interesting, no? <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Greghenderson2006/sandbox5&curid=76381758&diff=1214265662&oldid=1214264741">[10]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.savebarec.org/docs/pac-sj-spring2006-justbarec.pdf">[11]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240317232100-Interesting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:21, 17 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240317232100-Interesting"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240317232100-Interesting"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240319141600-Netherzone-20240317232100"></span>Now that item is a ref in <a href="/wiki/Messina_Orchard" title="Messina Orchard">Messina Orchard</a>, but without any mention of Judi Henderson as the author, with a url that doesn't show all pages newsletter including page 3 where the author's name is visible. Here is the full version (not the shortened one): <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.preservation.org/_files/ugd/8b6201_aa8cf123167a4b5286081e8312738dd3.pdf">[12]</a> According to the newsletter masthead, Judi Henderson the does "advocacy". Coincidence? <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240319141600-Netherzone-20240317232100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240319141600-Netherzone-20240317232100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240319141600-Netherzone-20240317232100"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240319161700-Netherzone-20240319141600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, did some looking around and although suspicion is reasonable, I haven't seen anything conclusive yet. Have you had a chance to check out the Big Sur thing in which I tagged you in? I find definitive PR editing evidence off-wiki. It's the one whose contents Greg has been importing into some articles, like the Plaskett Family personal website junk. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240319161700-Netherzone-20240319141600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240319161700-Netherzone-20240319141600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240319161700-Netherzone-20240319141600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240319162100-Graywalls-20240319161700"></span>I must have missed that. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240319162100-Graywalls-20240319161700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240319162100-Graywalls-20240319161700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240319162100-Graywalls-20240319161700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240319221400-Netherzone-20240319162100"></span>Found some background on the advocacy author, looks like it may be a coincidence. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240319221400-Netherzone-20240319162100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 19 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240319221400-Netherzone-20240319162100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240319221400-Netherzone-20240319162100"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240320031900-Netherzone-20240319221400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, Look at <a href="/wiki/B%C3%A9la_H._B%C3%A1n%C3%A1thy" title="Béla H. Bánáthy">Béla H. Bánáthy</a> and <a href="/wiki/Ventana_Wilderness_Alliance" title="Ventana Wilderness Alliance">Ventana Wilderness Alliance</a>. I just had affiliated White Stag <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/White_Stag_Leadership_Development_Program" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White Stag Leadership Development Program">Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/White_Stag_Leadership_Development_Program</a> deleted. There's undoubtedly undisclosed paid public relations editing taking place. The reason I believe it is of your interest is that the user btphelps has been adding a whole lot of tourism advocating contents into various Big Sur/Monterey County articles and those are the contents Greg has been plugging into various articles he drafted. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240320031900-Netherzone-20240319221400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240320031900-Netherzone-20240319221400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240320031900-Netherzone-20240319221400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240323182500-Graywalls-20240320031900"></span>Hmm, Is this considered on-wiki or off in regards to out? <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Btphelps/about&oldid=907856271">[13]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240323182500-Graywalls-20240320031900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240323182500-Graywalls-20240320031900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240323182500-Graywalls-20240320031900"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240323184000-Netherzone-20240323182500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, Thank you. I discovered their COI through sources outside of Wiki which is why I was not able to discuss any of it. It didn't occur to me to check their user page edit history. Since they voluntarily revealed it on wiki, I suppose it's safe to reveal with diffs. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240323184000-Netherzone-20240323182500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240323184000-Netherzone-20240323182500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240323184000-Netherzone-20240323182500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20240325172400-Interesting"></span>Graywalls, you asked what to do if there's no response to the email--I don't know what to say, sorry. I'm not on that list, and I don't really know where those emails go. I didn't see anything on the Functionaries list. What I can say is that lengthy reports are less likely to get picked up soon than concise reports, but that's little help for now. Give it a few days, and maybe drop Arbcom a line next week. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drmies" title="User talk:Drmies">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Drmies-20240325172400-Interesting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 25 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20240325172400-Interesting"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20240325172400-Interesting"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notice_of_edit_warring_noticeboard_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notice_of_edit_warring_noticeboard_discussion-20240325034900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notice_of_edit_warring_noticeboard_discussion-20240325034900"></span>Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notice_of_edit_warring_noticeboard_discussion-20240325034900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=87" title="Edit section: Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Evrik-20240325034900-Notice_of_edit_warring_noticeboard_discussion"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/25px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/38px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/50px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span> Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring</a> regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring" title="Wikipedia:Edit warring">edit warring</a>. Thank you. --<a href="/wiki/User:Evrik" title="User:Evrik">evrik</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evrik" title="User talk:Evrik">talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Evrik-20240325034900-Notice_of_edit_warring_noticeboard_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Evrik-20240325034900-Notice_of_edit_warring_noticeboard_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Evrik-20240325034900-Notice_of_edit_warring_noticeboard_discussion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hello" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hello-20240331002100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hello-20240331002100"></span>Hello<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hello-20240331002100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=88" title="Edit section: Hello"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bandjo83-20240331002100-Hello"></span>Hello, for free tekno I have been working in the sector for 6 years. The article is old and contains errors. </p><p>We cannot always give sources, a source is not always linked to something provable. </p><p>When I tell you that you put a store as an active store when it no longer exists, just go to google. </p><p>There is not a newspaper that says: This store is closed. On the other hand, I know it. </p><p>Then you want sources on labels? Just type Protokseed, teksa omny lab, electrobooking and you won't see it yourself. </p><p>It is forbidden to advertise on Wikipedia so just put a link to a site, what do you want? </p><p>If I tell you that undergroundtekno is the biggest tekno store it's not written everywhere, but when we work in the sector this information is known, they release almost all the artists in our scene. </p><p>Electrobooking and no hour sign the biggest artists on the tekno scene, just go to their sites. </p><p>We cannot always provide sources so please restore the page. </p><p>In the article all the information is correct, some no longer exists and is incorrect. </p><p>The goal of Wikipedia is to inform and understand our scene. </p><p>Currently refusing the changes, you are misinforming people and this is serious because you are misleading people. </p><p>We must let specialists like us enrich the page. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bandjo83&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bandjo83 (page does not exist)">Bandjo83</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bandjo83" title="User talk:Bandjo83">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Bandjo83-20240331002100-Hello" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:21, 31 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bandjo83-20240331002100-Hello"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bandjo83-20240331002100-Hello"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240331015900-Bandjo83-20240331002100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bandjo83&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bandjo83 (page does not exist)">Bandjo83</a>:</span>, those are the guidelines. The quality of encyclopedia would greatly suffer if we allow people to put in whatever based on what they know in their mind. You can start your own blog and put down whatever, but on Wikipedia, no source, no addition. Not just any source, but <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable sources</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240331015900-Bandjo83-20240331002100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:59, 31 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240331015900-Bandjo83-20240331002100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240331015900-Bandjo83-20240331002100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bandjo83-20240331114500-Graywalls-20240331015900"></span>So to give you information as being active structures when they no longer exist is it reliable information?</dd> <dd>For you not to put the most important structures, but to put dead structures to activate is normal?</dd> <dd>At home I call it a lie. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bandjo83&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bandjo83 (page does not exist)">Bandjo83</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bandjo83" title="User talk:Bandjo83">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Bandjo83-20240331114500-Graywalls-20240331015900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:45, 31 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bandjo83-20240331114500-Graywalls-20240331015900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bandjo83-20240331114500-Graywalls-20240331015900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bandjo83-20240331115000-Bandjo83-20240331114500"></span>You talk about reliability but even you, you don't know this universe and you think you know better than me.</dd> <dd>You are the one who is unreliable because you misinform people.</dd> <dd>This is the only reality at the moment.</dd> <dd>Please restore the information. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bandjo83&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bandjo83 (page does not exist)">Bandjo83</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bandjo83" title="User talk:Bandjo83">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Bandjo83-20240331115000-Bandjo83-20240331114500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bandjo83-20240331115000-Bandjo83-20240331114500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bandjo83-20240331115000-Bandjo83-20240331114500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ANI" data-mw-thread-id="h-ANI-20240401153100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ANI-20240401153100"></span>ANI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ANI-20240401153100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=89" title="Edit section: ANI"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Graywalls_reported_by_User:72.83.72.31"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Canterbury_Tail-20240401153100-ANI"></span>There is an ANI report about you</a> that no one informed you about. Thought you should know. <a href="/wiki/User:Canterbury_Tail" title="User:Canterbury Tail"><b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Canterbury_Tail" title="User talk:Canterbury Tail"><i style="color: Blue;">talk</i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Canterbury_Tail-20240401153100-ANI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:31, 1 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Canterbury_Tail-20240401153100-ANI"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Canterbury_Tail-20240401153100-ANI"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Next_Steps_for_Stubbing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Next_Steps_for_Stubbing-20240403175900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Next_Steps_for_Stubbing-20240403175900"></span>Next Steps for Stubbing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Next_Steps_for_Stubbing-20240403175900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=90" title="Edit section: Next Steps for Stubbing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bakerlr-20240403175900-Next_Steps_for_Stubbing"></span>I wanted to check-in on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields#Suggested_Stubbing" title="Talk:Joanna Shields, Baroness Shields">Talk:Joanna_Shields,_Baroness_Shields#Suggested_Stubbing</a>. I disclosed a COI and proposed a stub to replace the promotional page as a better starting point for future improvements. AfC was suggested, but I don't think I can use AfC that way? Since the page already exists and AfC is for creating new pages. Let me know what you think RE next steps for addressing the page's issues and the best way for me to help. Pinging <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a>:</span> as well. <a href="/wiki/User:Bakerlr" title="User:Bakerlr">Bakerlr</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bakerlr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Bakerlr (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Bakerlr-20240403175900-Next_Steps_for_Stubbing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bakerlr-20240403175900-Next_Steps_for_Stubbing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bakerlr-20240403175900-Next_Steps_for_Stubbing"></span> </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Bakerlr" title="User:Bakerlr"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20240403191200-Bakerlr-20240403175900"></span>Bakerlr</a>, I appreciate the disclosure. But Graywalls (I think) and I both know that <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bakerlr/draft&oldid=1213722610">this</a> is not someone's first or second edit; and one cannot simply start a new account and disclose a COI if one is already a registered editor here. You wish to "respect the site’s independence, autonomy and community policies", and that's great--disclosure is part of that, even if it's to ArbCom, for instance. Thank you, <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drmies" title="User talk:Drmies">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Drmies-20240403191200-Bakerlr-20240403175900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20240403191200-Bakerlr-20240403175900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20240403191200-Bakerlr-20240403175900"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bakerlr-20240502222000-Drmies-20240403191200"></span>Hi <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a>:</span> I don't understand your message. I do not have any other accounts. If I'm supposed to be doing something differently, let me know. <a href="/wiki/User:Bakerlr" title="User:Bakerlr">Bakerlr</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bakerlr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Bakerlr (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Bakerlr-20240502222000-Drmies-20240403191200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bakerlr-20240502222000-Drmies-20240403191200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bakerlr-20240502222000-Drmies-20240403191200"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20240502222600-Bakerlr-20240502222000"></span>Well, this article, and possibly related ones, has of course been plague by undeclared COI editing, for quite a while, so if you think about it you might not be surprised that I had some doubts about the newness of the account. I'll have a look at your proposal. Graywalls, care to join me? <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drmies" title="User talk:Drmies">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Drmies-20240502222600-Bakerlr-20240502222000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 2 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20240502222600-Bakerlr-20240502222000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20240502222600-Bakerlr-20240502222000"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AmericaSpeaks" data-mw-thread-id="h-AmericaSpeaks-20240408171800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AmericaSpeaks-20240408171800"></span><a href="/wiki/AmericaSpeaks" title="AmericaSpeaks">AmericaSpeaks</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-AmericaSpeaks-20240408171800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=91" title="Edit section: AmericaSpeaks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20240408171800-AmericaSpeaks"></span>The entire article probably just needs to go. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drmies" title="User talk:Drmies">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Drmies-20240408171800-AmericaSpeaks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 8 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20240408171800-AmericaSpeaks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20240408171800-AmericaSpeaks"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240408172100-Drmies-20240408171800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a>:</span>, I tend to agree and I would personally G11 it, but I just have this feeling whoever reviewing the request would say no. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240408172100-Drmies-20240408171800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240408172100-Drmies-20240408171800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240408172100-Drmies-20240408171800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Drmies-20240408172300-Graywalls-20240408172100"></span>Well it's old. Just leave all the rest of the tripe in, and send it to AfD? I gotta run. <a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Drmies" title="User talk:Drmies">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Drmies-20240408172300-Graywalls-20240408172100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Drmies-20240408172300-Graywalls-20240408172100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Drmies-20240408172300-Graywalls-20240408172100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="May_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-May_2024-20240511122600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-May_2024-20240511122600"></span>May 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-May_2024-20240511122600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=92" title="Edit section: May 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2RDD-20240511122600-May_2024"></span>I do not receive payments for my edits, please. I'm here only to contribute to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia">Wikipedia</a>; Thank You! And God Bless You!!!. But, what really brought this topic? I thought wiki is free? Why bring up payment? <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a>. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:2RDD" title="User:2RDD">2RDD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2RDD#top" title="User talk:2RDD">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2RDD" title="Special:Contributions/2RDD">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-2RDD-20240511122600-May_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:26, 11 May 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2RDD-20240511122600-May_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2RDD-20240511122600-May_2024"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240511225400-2RDD-20240511122600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:2RDD" title="User:2RDD">2RDD</a>:</span>, it is a disallowed, but an extremely common practice for people to edit Wikipedia on their work time as work related activity, or part of their work for their client That is counted as paid editing. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240511225400-2RDD-20240511122600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 11 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240511225400-2RDD-20240511122600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240511225400-2RDD-20240511122600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Plutomania_Records" data-mw-thread-id="h-Plutomania_Records-20240512141100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Plutomania_Records-20240512141100"></span><a href="/wiki/Plutomania_Records" title="Plutomania Records">Plutomania Records</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Plutomania_Records-20240512141100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=93" title="Edit section: Plutomania Records"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2RDD-20240512141100-Plutomania_Records"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a>: I noticed you added the tag <a href="/wiki/COI" class="mw-disambig" title="COI">COI</a> on <a href="/wiki/Plutomania_Records" title="Plutomania Records">Plutomania Records</a>. May I know the main reason you added the tag. Because the subject is not in anyway related to me; for me it's a neutral point of view. Pls know what to do about it. The owner of the label <a href="/wiki/Shallipopi" title="Shallipopi">Shallipopi</a>, or the label management itself is not connected to me in anyway. Pls, reconsider. Thank You! <a href="/wiki/User:2RDD" title="User:2RDD">2RDD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2RDD" title="User talk:2RDD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-2RDD-20240512141100-Plutomania_Records" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2RDD-20240512141100-Plutomania_Records"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2RDD-20240512141100-Plutomania_Records"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Opinion_requested" data-mw-thread-id="h-Opinion_requested-20240516075000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Opinion_requested-20240516075000"></span>Opinion requested<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Opinion_requested-20240516075000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=94" title="Edit section: Opinion requested"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Toddst1-20240516075000-Opinion_requested"></span>Hi. In September 2023, you nominated <a href="/wiki/Building_Owners_and_Managers_Association" title="Building Owners and Managers Association">Building Owners and Managers Association</a> for deletion in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Building_Owners_and_Managers_Association" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Building Owners and Managers Association">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Building Owners and Managers Association</a>. I agree - that article had accumulated a bunch of fluff and was fairly advertorial when it was deleted. </p><p>I've restored the article and performed some significant surgery on it. It's currently in my user space: <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Toddst1/Building_Owners_and_Managers_Association&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Toddst1/Building Owners and Managers Association (page does not exist)">User:Toddst1/Building Owners and Managers Association</a>. </p><p>I'd like to get your opinion on its current state as I have a declared <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">WP:COI</a> (see talk). I'm not in any way paid for my activity - just the opposite - I'm one of thousands of professionals who are members of the organization who <i>pay them</i> dues. </p><p>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Toddst1" title="User:Toddst1">Toddst1</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toddst1" title="User talk:Toddst1">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Toddst1-20240516075000-Opinion_requested" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Toddst1-20240516075000-Opinion_requested"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Toddst1-20240516075000-Opinion_requested"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240516075300-Toddst1-20240516075000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Toddst1" title="User:Toddst1">Toddst1</a>:</span>, fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCORP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCORP">WP:NCORP</a> still. No amount of editing will compensate for lack of notability. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AMOUNT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AMOUNT">WP:AMOUNT</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240516075300-Toddst1-20240516075000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:53, 16 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240516075300-Toddst1-20240516075000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240516075300-Toddst1-20240516075000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Arc'teryx" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arc'teryx-20240531230800"><span id="Arc.27teryx"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arc'teryx-20240531230800"></span>Arc'teryx<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arc'teryx-20240531230800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=95" title="Edit section: Arc'teryx"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240531230800-Arc'teryx"></span>Just wondering why you removed the Medium reference from the Arc'teryx page? If this is just based on your own personal editorial discretion can you provide some clarity on why you made this choice? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F" title="Special:Contributions/2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F">2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F" title="User talk:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240531230800-Arc'teryx" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240531230800-Arc'teryx"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240531230800-Arc'teryx"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240531232500-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240531230800"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F (page does not exist)">2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F</a>:</span>, Please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDIUM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MEDIUM">WP:MEDIUM</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240531232500-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240531230800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240531232500-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240531230800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240531232500-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240531230800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240531233900-Graywalls-20240531232500"></span>Thanks for the quick reply. I am the author. I agree there is a lot of questionable content on Medium but I do feel the reliability of Medium articles should be assessed on a case by case basis. The article in question is completely transparent about its sources and it is used as a reference by other websites (below). In general it's a piece of independently resourced journalism that I spent a lot of time on, and I do think others would consider me an expert in the subject matter.</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://row.oneblockdown.it/blogs/archive/street-utility-the-great-outdoors-aesthetic-part-one">https://row.oneblockdown.it/blogs/archive/street-utility-the-great-outdoors-aesthetic-part-one</a></dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.instagram.com/p/CHSrk70Dfk6/">https://www.instagram.com/p/CHSrk70Dfk6/</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F" title="Special:Contributions/2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F">2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F" title="User talk:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240531233900-Graywalls-20240531232500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240531233900-Graywalls-20240531232500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240531233900-Graywalls-20240531232500"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240601002700-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240531233900"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F (page does not exist)">2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F</a>:</span>, You cited a product buying website, a BLOG no less. Please reference credible books, or scholarly journals in which it credits Chris Danforth from Berlin as a subject matter expert on the topic of style, culture, sneakers or history. So basically, something from Elsevier, Springer, Routledge and like where scholars refer to Chris Danforth as subject matter expert. I disagree as Chris Danforth meeting <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable source</a> standard for which this source is used for. You can make your case-by-case appeal at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard">Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard</a> if you disagree. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240601002700-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240531233900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:27, 1 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240601002700-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240531233900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240601002700-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240531233900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602020500-Graywalls-20240601002700"></span>I have 10 years of experience writing about streetwear subculture, on top of that I'm a contract copywriter for Arc'teryx.</dd> <dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://blog.arcteryx.com/gear/climb-heritage-revealed-through-japanese-craft/">https://blog.arcteryx.com/gear/climb-heritage-revealed-through-japanese-craft/</a></dd> <dd>Academic publishers like Springer do not cover subculture in their material. You can read every book published by Springer, Routledge and you won't find a single vowel on street culture, graffiti, or streetwear culture. You should realize you are comparing apples to oranges here. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F" title="Special:Contributions/2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F">2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F" title="User talk:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602020500-Graywalls-20240601002700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602020500-Graywalls-20240601002700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602020500-Graywalls-20240601002700"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240602033700-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602020500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F (page does not exist)">2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F</a>:</span>, Are you the one who added <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1016613032" title="Special:Diff/1016613032">this</a> into the article the first place? It is best for you to create an account, so the name remains consistent. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240602033700-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602020500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:37, 2 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240602033700-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602020500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240602033700-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602020500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602041000-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602020500"></span>Actually I was not the one who added it in the first place, which also speaks to the article's authority. Someone in the community added it. I just appreciate the traffic it drives to the Medium article and I like that it's in the Wiki. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F" title="Special:Contributions/2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F">2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F" title="User talk:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602041000-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602020500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602041000-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602020500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602041000-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602020500"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240602043200-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602041000"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F (page does not exist)">2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F</a>:</span>, <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I just appreciate the traffic it drives to the Medium article</q> that's one of the reasons why low quality sources are not allowed, and even if good quality, promotional editing wouldn't be permitted. For example, we have a problem if a magazine was going around specifically adding their own articles into numerous articles for visibility purposes. Anti-Defamation League got caught doing just that some time ago. The Medium article in question is not getting restored into the article absent community consensus saying otherwise. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240602043200-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602041000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240602043200-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602041000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240602043200-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602041000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602053400-Graywalls-20240602043200"></span>It has nothing to do with promotion. The article was added because to Wiki for the same reason it was shared prolifically by people who understand this subculture: it is high quality and authoritative, and it's investigative journalism. I did not add the source myself, but by removing it you're taking it upon yourself to override the community member who deemed it relative to add to the record, when I do not think you intimately understand this subject matter. This is a particular subject that doesn't get written about in scholarly journals. I think you should consider adding it back. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F" title="Special:Contributions/2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F">2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F" title="User talk:2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602053400-Graywalls-20240602043200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602053400-Graywalls-20240602043200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2604:3D08:6F81:8300:10CB:5F5A:287:595F-20240602053400-Graywalls-20240602043200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_warring" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_warring-20240607024400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_warring-20240607024400"></span>Edit warring<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_warring-20240607024400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=96" title="Edit section: Edit warring"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Evrik-20240607024400-Edit_warring"></span>I noticed you've started your <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seneca_Waterways_Council&diff=prev&oldid=1227658920">attacks on the Scouting</a> articles again. This is your edit warring notice. --<a href="/wiki/User:Evrik" title="User:Evrik">evrik</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evrik" title="User talk:Evrik">talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Evrik-20240607024400-Edit_warring" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Evrik-20240607024400-Edit_warring"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Evrik-20240607024400-Edit_warring"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240607024600-Evrik-20240607024400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Evrik" title="User:Evrik">Evrik</a>:</span>, I see you're re-restoring your preferred version again, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ONUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ONUS">without consensus</a> to include when the due weight has been challenged. I see you haven't started a discussion on contents either. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240607024600-Evrik-20240607024400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240607024600-Evrik-20240607024400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240607024600-Evrik-20240607024400"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Evrik-20240607220300-Evrik-20240607024400"></span>You're edit warring again. A discussion was started here: [Talk:Leadership training (Boy Scouts of America)]]. You chose to not engage in discussing things before unilaterally makin changes. Please stop. --<a href="/wiki/User:Evrik" title="User:Evrik">evrik</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evrik" title="User talk:Evrik">talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Evrik-20240607220300-Evrik-20240607024400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Evrik-20240607220300-Evrik-20240607024400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Evrik-20240607220300-Evrik-20240607024400"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240607221200-Evrik-20240607220300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Evrik" title="User:Evrik">Evrik</a>:</span>, your understanding of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ONUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ONUS">WP:ONUS</a> is inverted. I have removed it, because the contents are undue as demonstrated by lack of third party sourcing, if any sourcing at all and the contents presented are like an information guide, which violates <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTAGUIDE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTAGUIDE">WP:NOTAGUIDE</a>. The responsibility to achieve consensus falls on the editor wishing to restore the content, but it seems like you're <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IDHT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IDHT">refusing</a> to acknowledge that. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240607221200-Evrik-20240607220300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240607221200-Evrik-20240607220300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240607221200-Evrik-20240607220300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reviewer?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reviewer?-20240612195700"><span id="Reviewer.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reviewer?-20240612195700"></span>Reviewer?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reviewer?-20240612195700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=97" title="Edit section: Reviewer?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240612195700-Reviewer?"></span>How can it be that he is a Pending Changes Reviewer when he can't even properly review his own work? And and requesting AfC Reviewer rights shows that he still does not understand the problems with his own work. It's bizarre and seems like trying to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Gaming_the_system" title="Wikipedia:Gaming the system">game the system</a>...again, but in a new way, finding a loophole. A penny for your thoughts. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240612195700-Reviewer?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240612195700-Reviewer?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240612195700-Reviewer?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240612213700-Netherzone-20240612195700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, I wonder if he's got a "partner" working with him whom he wishes to review. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240612213700-Netherzone-20240612195700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240612213700-Netherzone-20240612195700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240612213700-Netherzone-20240612195700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240612220500-Graywalls-20240612213700"></span>That crossed my mind also but it may also be to gain credibility and "trust"? <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240612220500-Graywalls-20240612213700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240612220500-Graywalls-20240612213700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240612220500-Graywalls-20240612213700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240613012600-Netherzone-20240612220500"></span>Still using blogs as sources too. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240613012600-Netherzone-20240612220500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240613012600-Netherzone-20240612220500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240613012600-Netherzone-20240612220500"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240616214900-Netherzone-20240613012600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, Pebble Beach, Carmel-by-the-Sea, Monterey County related biographical and building walled garden continues to grow. You seen his recently created things? <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240616214900-Netherzone-20240613012600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240616214900-Netherzone-20240613012600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240616214900-Netherzone-20240613012600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240616220600-Graywalls-20240616214900"></span>No, I haven't looked. It's so exhausting and I've got a personal health matter I'm managing right now. Nothing is going to change because IDHT. Have you considered enabling email? Your personal choice of course. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240616220600-Graywalls-20240616214900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240616220600-Graywalls-20240616214900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240616220600-Graywalls-20240616214900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Simone_Badal-McCreath" data-mw-thread-id="h-Simone_Badal-McCreath-20240622005000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Simone_Badal-McCreath-20240622005000"></span>Simone Badal-McCreath<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Simone_Badal-McCreath-20240622005000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=98" title="Edit section: Simone Badal-McCreath"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SummerPocket-20240622005000-Simone_Badal-McCreath"></span>It's unfair to label the source you removed on <a href="/wiki/Simone_Badal-McCreath" title="Simone Badal-McCreath">Simone Badal-McCreath</a> as gossip: unanimous consensus is that <a href="/wiki/Retraction_Watch" title="Retraction Watch">Retraction Watch</a> is a reliable source (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_197#Retraction_Watch" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 197">Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 197 - Wikipedia</a>). It is only reasonable that discussion of an academic's alleged plagiarism from a reliable source on this matter is included in their article. </p><p>Moreover, I really do not appreciate your accusations of edit warring. Blanking by folks with a clear conflict of interest, including the article's subject, clearly constitutes vandalism: reversion is therefore an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring#Exemptions" title="Wikipedia:Edit warring">exemption to edit warring policy</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SummerPocket&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SummerPocket (page does not exist)">SummerPocket</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SummerPocket" title="User talk:SummerPocket">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-SummerPocket-20240622005000-Simone_Badal-McCreath" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SummerPocket-20240622005000-Simone_Badal-McCreath"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SummerPocket-20240622005000-Simone_Badal-McCreath"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SummerPocket-20240622013600-SummerPocket-20240622005000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> After further deliberation, I agree it's pretty much unnecessary to include in the article. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:SummerPocket&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:SummerPocket (page does not exist)">SummerPocket</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SummerPocket" title="User talk:SummerPocket">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-SummerPocket-20240622013600-SummerPocket-20240622005000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 22 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SummerPocket-20240622013600-SummerPocket-20240622005000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SummerPocket-20240622013600-SummerPocket-20240622005000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Self-driving_car:_Reversion_due_to_adding_NPOV_&_RS_Mercedes_and_BMW_mapping_company_HERE" data-mw-thread-id="h-Self-driving_car:_Reversion_due_to_adding_NPOV_&_RS_Mercedes_and_BMW_mapping_com-20240705051600"><span id="Self-driving_car:_Reversion_due_to_adding_NPOV_.26_RS_Mercedes_and_BMW_mapping_company_HERE"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Self-driving_car:_Reversion_due_to_adding_NPOV_&_RS_Mercedes_and_BMW_mapping_com-20240705051600"></span>Self-driving car: Reversion due to adding NPOV & RS Mercedes and BMW mapping company HERE<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Self-driving_car:_Reversion_due_to_adding_NPOV_&_RS_Mercedes_and_BMW_mapping_com-20240705051600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=99" title="Edit section: Self-driving car: Reversion due to adding NPOV & RS Mercedes and BMW mapping company HERE"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamnguyenrn-20240705051600-Self-driving_car:_Reversion_due_to_adding_NPOV_&_RS_Mercedes_and_BMW_mapping_com"></span>Hi Graywalls. I notice that you reverted to previous version due to my addition NPOV & RS Mercedes and BMW mapping company HERE.com. I am fine with that. </p><p>However, I still think it is useful for consumers to know what map company that their cars are using in a very highly competing market for for Autonomous Vehicles such as: </p><p>HERE Technologies </p><p>TomTom N.V. </p><p>Google LLC (Waymo) </p><p>Apple Inc (Apple Maps) </p><p>Baidu, Inc (Apollo) </p><p>Nvidia Corporation (NVIDIA DRIVE) </p><p>Aptiv PLC... </p><p>If a Level 3 Mercedes Drive Pilot and BMW Personal Pilot both make a same mistake at a certain section of the road, consumers could figure that out by knowing that they both using the same High-Definition mapping company and not different ones. That will also inform future consumers to make a choice such as avoiding and picking a car company that uses a particular High-Definition mapping company too. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tamnguyenrn&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tamnguyenrn (page does not exist)">Tamnguyenrn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamnguyenrn" title="User talk:Tamnguyenrn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Tamnguyenrn-20240705051600-Self-driving_car:_Reversion_due_to_adding_NPOV_&_RS_Mercedes_and_BMW_mapping_com" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamnguyenrn-20240705051600-Self-driving_car:_Reversion_due_to_adding_NPOV_&_RS_Mercedes_and_BMW_mapping_com"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamnguyenrn-20240705051600-Self-driving_car:_Reversion_due_to_adding_NPOV_&_RS_Mercedes_and_BMW_mapping_com"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240705221000-Tamnguyenrn-20240705051600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tamnguyenm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tamnguyenm (page does not exist)">Tamnguyenm</a>:</span>, The issue is that it's a vendor page, not an independent, disinterested source, so it is a concern of due weight. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240705221000-Tamnguyenrn-20240705051600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240705221000-Tamnguyenrn-20240705051600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240705221000-Tamnguyenrn-20240705051600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="List_of_Universal_Music_Group_labels" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_Universal_Music_Group_labels-20240713142000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_Universal_Music_Group_labels-20240713142000"></span><a href="/wiki/List_of_Universal_Music_Group_labels" title="List of Universal Music Group labels">List of Universal Music Group labels</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_Universal_Music_Group_labels-20240713142000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=100" title="Edit section: List of Universal Music Group labels"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2001:D08:2950:4BF0:17E1:CAC7:E765:6FBE-20240713142000-List_of_Universal_Music_Group_labels"></span>Hi Gray. It seems confusing to me as not all labels owned by UMG, unless would have reliable sources. Anything you can do to help would be kindly appreciated, as well as <a href="/wiki/Template:Universal_Music_Group" title="Template:Universal Music Group">Template:Universal Music Group</a>, <a href="/wiki/List_of_Warner_Music_Group_labels" title="List of Warner Music Group labels">List of Warner Music Group labels</a>, <a href="/wiki/Template:Warner_Music_Group" title="Template:Warner Music Group">Template:Warner Music Group</a>, <a href="/wiki/List_of_Sony_Music_labels" title="List of Sony Music labels">List of Sony Music labels</a> etc. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:D08:2950:4BF0:17E1:CAC7:E765:6FBE" title="Special:Contributions/2001:D08:2950:4BF0:17E1:CAC7:E765:6FBE">2001:D08:2950:4BF0:17E1:CAC7:E765:6FBE</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2001:D08:2950:4BF0:17E1:CAC7:E765:6FBE&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2001:D08:2950:4BF0:17E1:CAC7:E765:6FBE (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-2001:D08:2950:4BF0:17E1:CAC7:E765:6FBE-20240713142000-List_of_Universal_Music_Group_labels" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 13 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2001:D08:2950:4BF0:17E1:CAC7:E765:6FBE-20240713142000-List_of_Universal_Music_Group_labels"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2001:D08:2950:4BF0:17E1:CAC7:E765:6FBE-20240713142000-List_of_Universal_Music_Group_labels"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_edit_to_Vancouver_Area_Network_of_Drug_Users" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_edit_to_Vancouver_Area_Network_of_Drug_Users-20240730173100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_edit_to_Vancouver_Area_Network_of_Drug_Users-20240730173100"></span>Your edit to <a href="/wiki/Vancouver_Area_Network_of_Drug_Users" title="Vancouver Area Network of Drug Users">Vancouver Area Network of Drug Users</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_edit_to_Vancouver_Area_Network_of_Drug_Users-20240730173100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=101" title="Edit section: Your edit to Vancouver Area Network of Drug Users"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Meters-20240730173100-Your_edit_to_Vancouver_Area_Network_of_Drug_Users"></span>Thanks for <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vancouver_Area_Network_of_Drug_Users&diff=prev&oldid=1237541226">[14]</a>. That was a real eye opener for me. <a href="/wiki/User:Meters" title="User:Meters">Meters</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Meters" title="User talk:Meters">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Meters-20240730173100-Your_edit_to_Vancouver_Area_Network_of_Drug_Users" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Meters-20240730173100-Your_edit_to_Vancouver_Area_Network_of_Drug_Users"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Meters-20240730173100-Your_edit_to_Vancouver_Area_Network_of_Drug_Users"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_redirect" data-mw-thread-id="h-All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_redirect-20240801002700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_redirect-20240801002700"></span>All Saints Episcopal Church redirect<span data-mw-comment-end="h-All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_redirect-20240801002700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=102" title="Edit section: All Saints Episcopal Church redirect"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Greghenderson2006-20240801002700-All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_redirect"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a>:</span> I object to you redirecting the article <a href="/w/index.php?title=All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_(Carmel-by-the-Sea,_California)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="All Saints Episcopal Church (Carmel-by-the-Sea, California) (page does not exist)">All Saints Episcopal Church (Carmel-by-the-Sea, California)</a> without going through the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DP">WP:DP</a> process. The article was accepted by <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:SafariScribe" title="User:SafariScribe">SafariScribe</a>:</span>. The subject is notable based on the secondary sources provided in the article. Below are two examples. I feel the article was well written and similiar to other artilces listed here: <a href="/wiki/All_Saints_Episcopal_Church" class="mw-disambig" title="All Saints Episcopal Church">All Saints Episcopal Church</a>. Please reconsider your redirect and add a tag suggesting for improvements per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCORP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCORP">WP:NCORP</a>. If the problem is not resolved I will request dispute resolution <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRR">WP:DRR</a>. </p> <ul><li><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFHale1980" class="citation book cs1">Hale, Sharron Lee (1980). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/details/tributetoyesterd0000hale/page/62/mode/2up?q=%22Saints+Church%22"><i>A Tribute to Yesterday: The History of Carmel, Carmel Valley, Big Sur, Point Lobos, Carmelite Monastery, and Los Burros</i></a>. Santa Cruz, California: Valley Publishers. pp. 63–64. <a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/9780913548738" title="Special:BookSources/9780913548738"><bdi>9780913548738</bdi></a><span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2024-07-08</span></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook&rft.genre=book&rft.btitle=A+Tribute+to+Yesterday%3A+The+History+of+Carmel%2C+Carmel+Valley%2C+Big+Sur%2C+Point+Lobos%2C+Carmelite+Monastery%2C+and+Los+Burros&rft.place=Santa+Cruz%2C+California&rft.pages=63-64&rft.pub=Valley+Publishers&rft.date=1980&rft.isbn=9780913548738&rft.aulast=Hale&rft.aufirst=Sharron+Lee&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2Ftributetoyesterd0000hale%2Fpage%2F62%2Fmode%2F2up%3Fq%3D%2522Saints%2BChurch%2522&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3AGraywalls" class="Z3988"></span></li> <li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFHardy1995" class="citation web cs1">Hardy, Maggie (March 30, 1995). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/details/ccarm_005188/page/n15/mode/2up?q=%22Albert+Cauldwell%222">"When City Hall Was A Church"</a>. <i>Carmel Pine Cone</i>. Carmel-by-the-Sea, California. pp. 17, 24<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2022-06-10</span></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=Carmel+Pine+Cone&rft.atitle=When+City+Hall+Was+A+Church&rft.pages=17%2C+24&rft.date=1995-03-30&rft.aulast=Hardy&rft.aufirst=Maggie&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2Fccarm_005188%2Fpage%2Fn15%2Fmode%2F2up%3Fq%3D%2522Albert%2BCauldwell%25222&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3AGraywalls" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Greghenderson2006" title="User:Greghenderson2006">Greg Henderson</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Greghenderson2006#top" title="User talk:Greghenderson2006">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Greghenderson2006-20240801002700-All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_redirect" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Greghenderson2006-20240801002700-All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_redirect"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Greghenderson2006-20240801002700-All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_redirect"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240801003100-Greghenderson2006-20240801002700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Greghenderson2006" title="User:Greghenderson2006">Greghenderson2006are</a> you able to start a re-direct for discussion ? <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240801003100-Greghenderson2006-20240801002700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240801003100-Greghenderson2006-20240801002700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240801003100-Greghenderson2006-20240801002700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SafariScribe-20240801003400-Greghenderson2006-20240801002700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a>, I agree with @<a href="/wiki/User:Greghenderson2006" title="User:Greghenderson2006">Greghenderson2006</a>, and have boldly reverted your edits. Such redirect may need discussion, let's say, on the talk page. Cheers! <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:SafariScribe" title="User:SafariScribe">Safari Scribe</a></span><sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SafariScribe" title="Special:Contributions/SafariScribe"><i><b>Edits!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SafariScribe" title="User talk:SafariScribe"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-SafariScribe-20240801003400-Greghenderson2006-20240801002700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 1 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SafariScribe-20240801003400-Greghenderson2006-20240801002700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SafariScribe-20240801003400-Greghenderson2006-20240801002700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="More_gaming" data-mw-thread-id="h-More_gaming-20240801222600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_gaming-20240801222600"></span>More gaming<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_gaming-20240801222600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=103" title="Edit section: More gaming"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240801222600-More_gaming"></span>It seems he is now downloading primary documents from unreliable sources like Family Tree, Ancestry, Find-a-grave, for example. and reuploading them to Internet Archive to make them look like they are from a reliable source. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240801222600-More_gaming" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240801222600-More_gaming"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240801222600-More_gaming"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_(Carmel-by-the-Sea,_California)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_(Carmel-by-the-Sea,-20240804024100"><span id="Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FAll_Saints_Episcopal_Church_.28Carmel-by-the-Sea.2C_California.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_(Carmel-by-the-Sea,-20240804024100"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_(Carmel-by-the-Sea,_California)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/All Saints Episcopal Church (Carmel-by-the-Sea, California)">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/All Saints Episcopal Church (Carmel-by-the-Sea, California)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_(Carmel-by-the-Sea,-20240804024100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=104" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/All Saints Episcopal Church (Carmel-by-the-Sea, California)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dclemens1971-20240804024100-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_(Carmel-by-the-Sea,"></span>When I !voted in the AfD I was not aware of all of the d r a m a around the page creator and his approach to sourcing. I'm changing my !vote to redirect since I do think that's a valid AtD but I certainly do understand why the community consensus may emerge differently. <a href="/wiki/User:Dclemens1971" title="User:Dclemens1971">Dclemens1971</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dclemens1971" title="User talk:Dclemens1971">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Dclemens1971-20240804024100-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_(Carmel-by-the-Sea," class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dclemens1971-20240804024100-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_(Carmel-by-the-Sea,"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dclemens1971-20240804024100-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/All_Saints_Episcopal_Church_(Carmel-by-the-Sea,"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="American_Library_Association" data-mw-thread-id="h-American_Library_Association-20240815211900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-American_Library_Association-20240815211900"></span>American Library Association<span data-mw-comment-end="h-American_Library_Association-20240815211900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=105" title="Edit section: American Library Association"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kmccook-20240815211900-American_Library_Association"></span>Regarding Conflict of Interest tag: I suppose you mean me. I'm an over 30 year member of ALA who pays dues. My primary job is at a university teaching library science which includes teaching the history of library development. I am not an employee of ALA. I review ALA projects, statements, policies and news and update the page as I update courses for my teaching. The ALA is important to U.S. library history. Each semester as I update classes I often update ALA information. There is no one at the ALA--that I know of--who edits Wikipedia. Over the years I've tried to make it a better page. So many of the association's documents are only on their website which is why I have sometimes cited it and know it is a primary source. I will keep looking to see if secondary sources are available. I wish there were more secondary sources. I really have tried to expunge advertising type material. Thank you for reviewing the page, but I think the conflict of interest shouldn't be there.<a href="/wiki/User:Kmccook" title="User:Kmccook">Kmccook</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kmccook" title="User talk:Kmccook">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Kmccook-20240815211900-American_Library_Association" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kmccook-20240815211900-American_Library_Association"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kmccook-20240815211900-American_Library_Association"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Margaret_Bruton" data-mw-thread-id="h-Margaret_Bruton-20240817005100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Margaret_Bruton-20240817005100"></span>Margaret Bruton<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Margaret_Bruton-20240817005100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=106" title="Edit section: Margaret Bruton"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Puncinus-20240817005100-Margaret_Bruton"></span>You made some edits to Margaret Bruton article. However references Bruton1964 and beaux are now not used in the text and are in red. You removed picture of Margaret's gravestone, which was not related to reasons for your edits. Her affiliations are documented in the book "Sisters in art" and such reference would fully source this section. Thanks. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Puncinus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Puncinus (page does not exist)">Puncinus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Puncinus" title="User talk:Puncinus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Puncinus-20240817005100-Margaret_Bruton" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Puncinus-20240817005100-Margaret_Bruton"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Puncinus-20240817005100-Margaret_Bruton"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240817005700-Puncinus-20240817005100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Puncinus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Puncinus (page does not exist)">Puncinus</a>:</span>, post discussions concerning contents to the article's talk page rather than my talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240817005700-Puncinus-20240817005100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240817005700-Puncinus-20240817005100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240817005700-Puncinus-20240817005100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reference_and_User_Services_Association" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reference_and_User_Services_Association-20240819182500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reference_and_User_Services_Association-20240819182500"></span>Reference and User Services Association<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reference_and_User_Services_Association-20240819182500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=107" title="Edit section: Reference and User Services Association"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bleubsdorf-20240819182500-Reference_and_User_Services_Association"></span>You reverted my edit to create a standalone <a href="/wiki/Reference_and_User_Services_Association" class="mw-redirect" title="Reference and User Services Association">Reference and User Services Association</a> page, restoring the previous redirect to <a href="/wiki/RUSA_awards" title="RUSA awards">RUSA awards</a>, on the basis of "Fails <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies)" title="Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)">WP:NCORP</a>." I respectfully ask you to reconsider your decision and restore the new standalone page. I believe the Reference and User Services Association clearly meets the notability standard for inclusion on Wikipedia. </p><p>1. There are approximately 125 pages on Wikipedia that link to "Reference and User Services Association," indicating a clear demand for information about this organization. </p><p>2. The <a href="/wiki/American_Library_Association" title="American Library Association">American Library Association</a> (ALA) has eight divisions. Five of them have standalone Wikipedia articles. A standalone article for the Reference and User Services Association would take the total to six, and bring its coverage in line with coverage of sister divisions such as the <a href="/wiki/Young_Adult_Library_Services_Association" title="Young Adult Library Services Association">Young Adult Library Services Association</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Public_Library_Association" title="Public Library Association">Public Library Association</a>, and the <a href="/wiki/American_Association_of_School_Librarians" title="American Association of School Librarians">American Association of School Librarians</a>. </p><p>3. I easily located coverage of the organization's activities in reputable secondary sources including the scholarly journal <i>Evidence Based Library and Information Practice</i> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://journals.library.ualberta.ca/eblip/index.php/EBLIP/article/view/4563">https://journals.library.ualberta.ca/eblip/index.php/EBLIP/article/view/4563</a>), the scholarly journal <i>Information and Learning Sciences</i> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/ILS-11-2017-0122/full/html">https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/ILS-11-2017-0122/full/html</a>), the <i>Washington Post</i> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/pr/wp/2018/04/02/the-posts-ron-charles-wins-louis-shores-award-for-excellence-in-reviewing/">https://www.washingtonpost.com/pr/wp/2018/04/02/the-posts-ron-charles-wins-louis-shores-award-for-excellence-in-reviewing/</a>), <i>American Libraries</i> magazine (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://americanlibrariesmagazine.org/blogs/the-scoop/access-and-care/">https://americanlibrariesmagazine.org/blogs/the-scoop/access-and-care/</a>), <i>The News Courier</i> of Athens, AL (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.enewscourier.com/news/local_news/athens-resident-recognized-with-federal-achievement-award/article_1054620e-f38d-11ee-a10f-df3270aa2446.html">https://www.enewscourier.com/news/local_news/athens-resident-recognized-with-federal-achievement-award/article_1054620e-f38d-11ee-a10f-df3270aa2446.html</a>), and the Library of Congress-published <i>Guide to Federal Librarianship</i> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.loc.gov/flicc/publications/guide/Chapter2.pdf">https://www.loc.gov/flicc/publications/guide/Chapter2.pdf</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Bleubsdorf" title="User:Bleubsdorf">Bleubsdorf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bleubsdorf" title="User talk:Bleubsdorf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Bleubsdorf-20240819182500-Reference_and_User_Services_Association" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bleubsdorf-20240819182500-Reference_and_User_Services_Association"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bleubsdorf-20240819182500-Reference_and_User_Services_Association"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Exchange_at_COI_noticeboard" data-mw-thread-id="h-Exchange_at_COI_noticeboard-20240819232100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Exchange_at_COI_noticeboard-20240819232100"></span>Exchange at COI noticeboard<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Exchange_at_COI_noticeboard-20240819232100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=108" title="Edit section: Exchange at COI noticeboard"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-North8000-20240819232100-Exchange_at_COI_noticeboard"></span>You said "We've crossed path in BSA articles. I have to say I've gotta agree to disagree with you on notability threshold." As I recall, we sort of butted heads on <i>material in the article</i> rather than on wp:notability which is about threshold for existence of an article. Maybe we also did it about existence of an article, but in either case it was a different situation. While IMO you went overboard on the deletionist side, IMO you had some good points blended in there about how the articles should evolve. Basically, when it comes to highly enclyclopedic material I'm an inclusionist (and IMO some of the BSA material falls into that category) , and when it's not enclyclopedic I lean towards exclusionist. </p><p>When I do NPP (and I've done thousands of articles there) I really don't go by that, I go by trying to learn and follow what the overall norms are. IMO the norms are to follow the guidelines pretty strictly on businesses. <b style="color: #0000cc;"><i>North8000</i></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:North8000#top" title="User talk:North8000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-North8000-20240819232100-Exchange_at_COI_noticeboard" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-North8000-20240819232100-Exchange_at_COI_noticeboard"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-North8000-20240819232100-Exchange_at_COI_noticeboard"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240820004900-North8000-20240819232100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:North8000" title="User:North8000">North8000</a>:</span>, And I'm just saying that more than likely, we'll have to agree to disagree on what's "encyclopedic" vs not. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">WP:IAR</a> should rarely be used, because if it was used all the time, whenever there's a disagreement, all parties would push it towards what they think is an improvement. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCORP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCORP">WP:NCORP</a>, guidelines and policies sort of reflection a broader <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONLEVEL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONLEVEL">consensus</a>. As <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Drmies" title="User:Drmies">Drmies</a>:</span> also mentioned in those discussions, much of BSA councils fail to meet NCORP and a group of those passionate about scouting shouldn't be able to retain them just by saying "I like it" <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240820004900-North8000-20240819232100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240820004900-North8000-20240819232100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240820004900-North8000-20240819232100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-North8000-20240820131800-Graywalls-20240820004900"></span>You touched on a lot of different topics there. To comment on just two of them: <ul><li>Regarding what's "enclyclopedic" my own definition is: "To what degree it passes <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Not" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Not">WP:Not</a> with flying colors". So beyond just meeting the "floor" of not getting clearly rejected by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Not" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Not">WP:Not</a>, if wp:not does not even raise a question regarding it, it's strong on being enclyclopedic.</li> <li>IMO <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">WP:IAR</a> mainly operates in two different ways, and neither of them is the simple flat out subjective "what they think is an improvement" as the only consideration. One is by it's mere existence without even being invoked, as a counterbalance to wikilawyering type tactics. Wikipedia's rules are too vague, overlapping and conflicting to allow selective wikilawyering to rule. The other is invoking it (and what it says) as a mere consideration in conjunction with other valid arguments.</li></ul></dd> <dd>Sincerely, <b style="color: #0000cc;"><i>North8000</i></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:North8000#top" title="User talk:North8000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-North8000-20240820131800-Graywalls-20240820004900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:18, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-North8000-20240820131800-Graywalls-20240820004900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-North8000-20240820131800-Graywalls-20240820004900"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240820142700-North8000-20240820131800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:North8000" title="User:North8000">North8000</a>:</span>, much of BSA/Scouting council pages that do not pass <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NCORP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NCORP">WP:NCORP</a> is just like the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pok%C3%A9mon/Archive_14#Is_there_any_reason_why_all_Pokemon_are_necessarily_notable?" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pokémon/Archive 14">Pokemon situation</a> mentioned in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Pok%C3%A9mon_test" title="Wikipedia:Pokémon test">WP:Pokémon test</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240820142700-North8000-20240820131800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240820142700-North8000-20240820131800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240820142700-North8000-20240820131800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-North8000-20240820150400-Graywalls-20240820142700"></span>Big topic there. But I certainly don't agree something with a real world history of many decades, several real world facilities, and 10 or 100's of thousands of real world people is "just like" a fictional game character. <b style="color: #0000cc;"><i>North8000</i></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:North8000#top" title="User talk:North8000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-North8000-20240820150400-Graywalls-20240820142700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-North8000-20240820150400-Graywalls-20240820142700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-North8000-20240820150400-Graywalls-20240820142700"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240820151500-North8000-20240820150400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:North8000" title="User:North8000">North8000</a>:</span>, and as I said before, agree to disagree. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240820151500-North8000-20240820150400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240820151500-North8000-20240820150400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240820151500-North8000-20240820150400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-North8000-20240820172000-Graywalls-20240820151500"></span>I think so. But just to be clear, if there is a council article which has a lot of history/content of the type described in my 15:04, 20 August 2024 post, has a section on a camp which could probably pass N:Geo, is overall in pretty good shape, except has no sources which clearly pass the N:corp variant of GNG, would you think that it should be deleted? <b style="color: #0000cc;"><i>North8000</i></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:North8000#top" title="User talk:North8000">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-North8000-20240820172000-Graywalls-20240820151500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-North8000-20240820172000-Graywalls-20240820151500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-North8000-20240820172000-Graywalls-20240820151500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Heads_up" data-mw-thread-id="h-Heads_up-20240825185000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Heads_up-20240825185000"></span>Heads up<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Heads_up-20240825185000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=109" title="Edit section: Heads up"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240825185000-Heads_up"></span>I noticed that the editor has now had email privileges revoked. This could mean several things, one of which might be trying to edit by proxy. I also noticed that their online "ad" now lists them as a "Quality Assurance Manager (QA Manager) at WP",<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-henderson-4b5550266?trk=people-guest_people_search-card">[15]</a> obviously a non-existent position and also changed geographic location. Probably a good idea to keep a keen eye on NPP and AfC drafts, if you are not already on it, just in case any shenanigans emerge. Courtesy ping @<a href="/wiki/User:Left_guide" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Left guide">Left guide</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:Melcous" title="User:Melcous">Melcous</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent">User:Timtrent</a> - <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240825185000-Heads_up" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240825185000-Heads_up"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240825185000-Heads_up"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20240825190600-Netherzone-20240825185000"></span>It was proxy by email, or a close facsimile of it.</dd> <dd>It seems that the obsession with editing here is hard to shake. I have already suspected we will see block evasion in due course. I will be disappointed if I am correct.</dd> <dd>The silly job description, well, we all have silliness within us 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Timtrent-20240825190600-Netherzone-20240825185000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20240825190600-Netherzone-20240825185000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20240825190600-Netherzone-20240825185000"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240825225600-Netherzone-20240825185000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent">Timtrent</a>:</span>, also "Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia Overview" on SignalHire makes you go hmmm. Also some interesting thing on Rocket Reach but I can't really tell if they're spoof. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240825225600-Netherzone-20240825185000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 25 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240825225600-Netherzone-20240825185000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240825225600-Netherzone-20240825185000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240826144400-Graywalls-20240825225600"></span>Graywalls, do you mean "Contact top employees from Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia" on SH and on RR "Wikipedia the Free Encyclopedia Management Team" listed as an employee? Didn't see those specific links before. My previous suspicions of UPE were 95-to-99% based on the LinkedIn "Quality Assurance Manager at Wikipedia" and the admission thereof some time ago, but now I think it's clearly 100% based on this and the behavioral evidence. I agree with Tim that we may be seeing block evasion in the future, or additional attempts at editing by proxy. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240826144400-Graywalls-20240825225600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240826144400-Graywalls-20240825225600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240826144400-Graywalls-20240825225600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240827061200-Netherzone-20240826144400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, If those are not spoof, it might be something that needs to be sent to legal department since those profiles suggest they represent Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240827061200-Netherzone-20240826144400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240827061200-Netherzone-20240826144400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240827061200-Netherzone-20240826144400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notability_tag_use_on_articles_post-AfD" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notability_tag_use_on_articles_post-AfD-20240827133500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notability_tag_use_on_articles_post-AfD-20240827133500"></span>Notability tag use on articles post-AfD<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notability_tag_use_on_articles_post-AfD-20240827133500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=110" title="Edit section: Notability tag use on articles post-AfD"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Alalch_E.-20240827133500-Notability_tag_use_on_articles_post-AfD"></span>I saw on two instances that you added the notability tag to articles that have survived AfD. That template is used as follows: An editor encounters a page, typically new or not new but neglected, believes that the topic is not notable but isn't sure enough to initiate a deletion process themselves and lets someone else double check and decide whether to start one--this is when and why the tag is placed; if the deletion process is started, specifically AfD, the tag is immediately removed (the afd template supersedes it), and if the outcome is 'keep', as the issue has at that point been discussed and is therefore not a maintenance issue anymore, the tag is not to be put back. Instead, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RENOM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RENOM">WP:RENOM</a> is followed by editors who believe that the outcome of the AfD was not the right outcome. Sincerely —<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Alalch_E." title="User talk:Alalch E.">Alalch E.</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Alalch_E.-20240827133500-Notability_tag_use_on_articles_post-AfD" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Alalch_E.-20240827133500-Notability_tag_use_on_articles_post-AfD"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Alalch_E.-20240827133500-Notability_tag_use_on_articles_post-AfD"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240827164500-Alalch_E.-20240827133500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Alalch_E." class="mw-redirect" title="User:Alalch E.">Alalch E.</a>:</span>, thanks but given you left edit summary such as <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">this template can not be used after an AfD which did not result in the article being deleted</q>, I would appreciate if you can link to official guidelines with regard to not placing maintenance template on previous (years ago) AfD'd article that may not meet generally accepted notability standards now. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240827164500-Alalch_E.-20240827133500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240827164500-Alalch_E.-20240827133500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240827164500-Alalch_E.-20240827133500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3family6-20241116121900-Graywalls-20240827164500"></span>In such a case, you revert the article to the last known notable instance. If you believe the AFD was decided wrongly, you renominate.--<a href="/wiki/User:3family6" title="User:3family6"><b style="color:navy">3family6</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3family6" title="User talk:3family6"><u style="color:black">Talk to me</u></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3family6" title="Special:Contributions/3family6"><small style="color:purple">See what I have done</small></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-3family6-20241116121900-Graywalls-20240827164500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3family6-20241116121900-Graywalls-20240827164500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3family6-20241116121900-Graywalls-20240827164500"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241116142600-3family6-20241116121900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:3family6" title="User:3family6">3family6</a>:</span> why are you going through my talk page and posting to something from three months ago? I am not sure which article you're referencing but that other commentator's point is fair if it resulted in the AfD being decided as KEEP. If it was decided as "no consensus", re-tagging is absolutely warranted; and renominating an article <s>within </s>without waiting some<s>thing</s> time even if "no consensus" is just not a good idea. You don't want to re-nom something back-to-back. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241116142600-3family6-20241116121900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241116142600-3family6-20241116121900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241116142600-3family6-20241116121900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3family6-20241116153300-Graywalls-20241116142600"></span>"why are you going through my talk page and posting to something from three months ago?" - Because old discussions can be revisited. This isn't like a forum with rules against necroposting.</dd> <dd>I wasn't referencing a specific article, I was responding to your above reply. If no consensus was reached, you re-nominate.--<a href="/wiki/User:3family6" title="User:3family6"><b style="color:navy">3family6</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3family6" title="User talk:3family6"><u style="color:black">Talk to me</u></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3family6" title="Special:Contributions/3family6"><small style="color:purple">See what I have done</small></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-3family6-20241116153300-Graywalls-20241116142600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3family6-20241116153300-Graywalls-20241116142600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3family6-20241116153300-Graywalls-20241116142600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241116155100-3family6-20241116153300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:3family6" title="User:3family6">3family6</a>:</span>, it depends. I would also suggest re-visiting the template documentation, because it's been slightly changed recently. Previously, one editor <b>UNILATERALLY</b>without any discussion modified the template documentation "it must not be re-tagged" and I believe that version may have been up when this comment thread was started. That's been fixed since then.</dd> <dd>It's perfectly appropriate to tag an article for notability and leave it like that for a few month after an AfD closes as "no consensus". While there's no formal waiting period, a few weeks minimum, but prefereably a few months should be given before re-nominating anything to AfD. If an article was closed as "keep" then I tend to agree it shouldn't be tagged without AfD nomination. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241116155100-3family6-20241116153300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:51, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241116155100-3family6-20241116153300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241116155100-3family6-20241116153300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3family6-20241116155700-Graywalls-20241116155100"></span>That's fair.--<a href="/wiki/User:3family6" title="User:3family6"><b style="color:navy">3family6</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3family6" title="User talk:3family6"><u style="color:black">Talk to me</u></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3family6" title="Special:Contributions/3family6"><small style="color:purple">See what I have done</small></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-3family6-20241116155700-Graywalls-20241116155100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3family6-20241116155700-Graywalls-20241116155100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3family6-20241116155700-Graywalls-20241116155100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Voyageurs_Area_Council" data-mw-thread-id="h-Voyageurs_Area_Council-20240903144000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Voyageurs_Area_Council-20240903144000"></span><a href="/wiki/Voyageurs_Area_Council" class="mw-redirect" title="Voyageurs Area Council">Voyageurs Area Council</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Voyageurs_Area_Council-20240903144000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=111" title="Edit section: Voyageurs Area Council"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johnson487682-20240903144000-Voyageurs_Area_Council"></span>Although it's true this article had some questionable material that could use some love and attention in the form of better sources, I think your <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Voyageurs_Area_Council&diff=1242839201&oldid=1242514309">mass deletion of content</a> was too heavy-handed. Some of the material you deleted actually referenced reliable sources and contributed to the notability of the subject, so I will be carefully restoring those items that meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> and making sure those sources are referenced properly. In general, I encourage you to spend more of your effort on attempting to improve articles (by finding and adding sources) rather than jumping directly to deletion. I know it is easier to destroy than to create, but working together to improve existing parts of wikipedia strengthens our online community. <a href="/wiki/User:Johnson487682" title="User:Johnson487682">Johnson487682</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johnson487682" title="User talk:Johnson487682">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Johnson487682-20240903144000-Voyageurs_Area_Council" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johnson487682-20240903144000-Voyageurs_Area_Council"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johnson487682-20240903144000-Voyageurs_Area_Council"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Birds_of_a_feather..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Birds_of_a_feather...-20240909204800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Birds_of_a_feather...-20240909204800"></span>Birds of a feather...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Birds_of_a_feather...-20240909204800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=112" title="Edit section: Birds of a feather..."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240909204800-Birds_of_a_feather..."></span>The editor who is giving you a hard time on the other Wikimedia projects is indeff'ed on en-WP. Look at the former's block log on en-WP to get a bit of backstory on them. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240909204800-Birds_of_a_feather..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240909204800-Birds_of_a_feather..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240909204800-Birds_of_a_feather..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240910032600-Netherzone-20240909204800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, yep, I noticed. Apparently, Yann at Commons felt I was edit warring/vandalizing though. I don't really understand the culture there. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240910032600-Netherzone-20240909204800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240910032600-Netherzone-20240909204800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240910032600-Netherzone-20240909204800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Could_you_have_a_look_at_this?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Could_you_have_a_look_at_this?-20240917034700"><span id="Could_you_have_a_look_at_this.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Could_you_have_a_look_at_this?-20240917034700"></span>Could you have a look at this?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Could_you_have_a_look_at_this?-20240917034700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=113" title="Edit section: Could you have a look at this?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240917034700-Could_you_have_a_look_at_this?"></span>I came across this on NPP, <a href="/wiki/Martha_Mood" title="Martha Mood">Martha Mood</a> and it's an obvious COI (the editor's other creation was family history stuff). I noticed that it is heavily sourced to two self-published books by a Lester Kierstead Henderson of Monterey, Calif. I think the subject might be notable if the museum collections pan out (have not yet verified this). I removed some copyvio from the lead, but have not checked the rest of the article yet. If you have any time could you please have a look at it? <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240917034700-Could_you_have_a_look_at_this?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240917034700-Could_you_have_a_look_at_this?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240917034700-Could_you_have_a_look_at_this?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240918215300-Netherzone-20240917034700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, definitely looks like done by her estate. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240918215300-Netherzone-20240917034700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240918215300-Netherzone-20240917034700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240918215300-Netherzone-20240917034700"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240918235700-Netherzone-20240917034700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, by the way, check out the contribution pattern history on <a href="/wiki/Jack_Schlossberg" title="Jack Schlossberg">Jack Schlossberg</a>, and various Schlossberg bio articles. It's starting to smell like public relations editing. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240918235700-Netherzone-20240917034700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240918235700-Netherzone-20240917034700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240918235700-Netherzone-20240917034700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240919014100-Graywalls-20240918235700"></span>You are likely right about this. He's a famous figure, so it might be hard to identify which editor(s) might be UPE. Unfortunately, WikiChecker has been down for weeks so it's hard to determine which editor is the main contributor.</dd> <dd>On an unrelated note, check out the Italian poet/entrepreneur <a href="/w/index.php?title=Menotti_Lerro&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Menotti Lerro (page does not exist)">Menotti Lerro</a> and all his associated articles such as his "movement" <a href="/wiki/Empathism" class="mw-redirect" title="Empathism">Empathism</a>, his <a href="/w/index.php?title=Cultural_Pyramid_of_Cilento&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Cultural Pyramid of Cilento (page does not exist)">Cultural Pyramid of Cilento</a>, his poetry prize <a href="/w/index.php?title=Cilento_International_Poetry_Prize&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Cilento International Poetry Prize (page does not exist)">Cilento International Poetry Prize</a>, his plays <a href="/w/index.php?title=Il_Dottor_Faust&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Il Dottor Faust (page does not exist)">Il Dottor Faust</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Donna_Giovanna,_l%27ingannatrice_di_Salerno&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Donna Giovanna, l'ingannatrice di Salerno (page does not exist)">Donna Giovanna, l'ingannatrice di Salerno</a> his novels <a href="/w/index.php?title=Augusto_Orrel:_memorie_d%27orrore_e_poesia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Augusto Orrel: memorie d'orrore e poesia (page does not exist)">Augusto Orrel: memorie d'orrore e poesia</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=2084:_Il_potere_dell%27immortalit%C3%A0_nelle_citt%C3%A0_del_dolore&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2084: Il potere dell'immortalità nelle città del dolore (page does not exist)">2084: Il potere dell'immortalità nelle città del dolore</a>, and many more. Now his "manifesto" colleagues are having articles written about them too. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Menotti_Lerro&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Menotti Lerro (page does not exist)">Menotti Lerro</a> is spread all over en-Wiki, mentioned many hundreds of times in numerous articles <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?fulltext=1&search=Menotti%20Lerro&title=Special%3ASearch&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1">[16]</a> but there is no article on him in Italian WP. An admin on Italian WP said his article there was deleted "for lack of encyclopedic value" <a class="external text" href="https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Menotti_Lerro">was deleted in 2018</a>.</dd> <dd>I have been watching this Lerro walled garden develop for quite some time now. Definitely a promo/PR/COI series of articles, possible UPE. The main contributor denies a COI or UPE. It's a lot to plow thru, so no rush. Just wanted to put it on your radar. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240919014100-Graywalls-20240918235700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240919014100-Graywalls-20240918235700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240919014100-Graywalls-20240918235700"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20240919142500-Netherzone-20240919014100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, the user whose edits are at question is Maxen Embry. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20240919142500-Netherzone-20240919014100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20240919142500-Netherzone-20240919014100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20240919142500-Netherzone-20240919014100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240919160200-Graywalls-20240918235700"></span>COI and other templates removed today on the main <a href="/w/index.php?title=Menotti_Lerro&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Menotti Lerro (page does not exist)">Lerro</a> article and on his "manifesto" <a href="/wiki/Empathism" class="mw-redirect" title="Empathism">Empathism</a>. He may-or-may-not be notable since the it-wp deletion, however it's clear this is an orchestrated PR effort on en-wp. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240919160200-Graywalls-20240918235700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240919160200-Graywalls-20240918235700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240919160200-Graywalls-20240918235700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240924015900-Netherzone-20240919160200"></span>See <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Gingeksace">[17]</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Nihaon">[18]</a> regarding the promotion of the "Empathic movement" <a href="/wiki/Empathism" class="mw-redirect" title="Empathism">Empathism</a> of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Menotti_Lerro&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Menotti Lerro (page does not exist)">Menotti Lerro</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240924015900-Netherzone-20240919160200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240924015900-Netherzone-20240919160200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240924015900-Netherzone-20240919160200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20240926004400-Netherzone-20240924015900"></span>I opened an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Promotional_editing_and_possible_UPE_by_two_SPAs" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">ANI report</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20240926004400-Netherzone-20240924015900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20240926004400-Netherzone-20240924015900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20240926004400-Netherzone-20240924015900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deleting_Country_Highpoints" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deleting_Country_Highpoints-20241017005300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deleting_Country_Highpoints-20241017005300"></span>Deleting Country Highpoints<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deleting_Country_Highpoints-20241017005300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=114" title="Edit section: Deleting Country Highpoints"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017005300-Deleting_Country_Highpoints"></span>@Graywalls, I have seen you have presumably gone through my edit history to fix articles I have done. I want to confirm this is to maintain Wikipedia policy on articles I have made a mistake(s) on, not any sort of bias or spite. Please note that mountains on peakbagger can also get their data from topographic maps and GPS surveys, not just from Eric Gilbertson or other users. On <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.peakbagger.com/peak.aspx?pid=74411">Mont Atilakoutse</a>, for instance, elevation info was from a Differential GPS, specifically a 2002 dGPS survey (EGM2008). Your reversion of various articles due to his blog's presence has also led to factually incorrect information being on articles as Mont Agou is not the highest point in Togo. Have you nominated Felo Barkere for deletion because there is no reliable source? Peakbagger states the info comes from SRTM (Shuttle Radar Topography Mission) data. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:KnowledgeIsPower9281" title="User:KnowledgeIsPower9281">KnowledgeIsPower9281</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KnowledgeIsPower9281" title="User talk:KnowledgeIsPower9281">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017005300-Deleting_Country_Highpoints" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017005300-Deleting_Country_Highpoints"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017005300-Deleting_Country_Highpoints"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017011200-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017005300"></span>While I understand cleaning up uncited and poorly cited content, if you revert articles, you should at least take the effort to keep the info that WP policy supports; otherwise you are degrading the quality of the article. <a href="/wiki/User:KnowledgeIsPower9281" title="User:KnowledgeIsPower9281">KnowledgeIsPower9281</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KnowledgeIsPower9281" title="User talk:KnowledgeIsPower9281">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017011200-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017005300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017011200-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017005300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017011200-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017005300"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241017011700-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017011200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:KnowledgeIsPower9281" title="User:KnowledgeIsPower9281">KnowledgeIsPower9281</a>:</span>, I've removed sources based personal blog/website countryhighpoints.com, because that website fails reliable sources standards, rather than who introduced that website. If you were the only one inserting it in the first place, that in itself suggests an issue. When unreliable source insertion is identified, editors commonly remove that source. It would be better if there is a direct link to the said data, or citation from a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> meeting source rather than a blogsite that republishes data from somewhere else to establish relevance. A blogger can read a data table or graph and get the density of water at 300°C at 1,000atm and choose to mention it. However, what's the relevance to have this data in a particular article? If this is data is cited in a reliably published source and put into context, it would put better context in even including that data. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241017011700-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017011200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241017011700-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017011200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241017011700-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017011200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017012800-Graywalls-20241017011700"></span>I think the highest point of a sovereign state like Senegal warrants its own article. Peakbagger was used as a source there which got its elevation data from SRTM. DJ Cane said the following:</dd> <dd>"Peakbagger has been used as a source extensively, but things written directly by him don't meet the guideline. If his survey leads to Peakbagger updating their updating the elevation info section, this seems fine to me for minor mountains. Major mountains like Mount Rainier should not have this information presented in the infobox but can have it discussed in the body because in instances like Mount Rainier there remains a large body of official reporting, which should be favored over Peakbagger ".</dd> <dd>Felo Barkere would be considered a minor mountain, since it's not like Denali, Rainier, Everest, etc. <a href="/wiki/User:KnowledgeIsPower9281" title="User:KnowledgeIsPower9281">KnowledgeIsPower9281</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KnowledgeIsPower9281" title="User talk:KnowledgeIsPower9281">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017012800-Graywalls-20241017011700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017012800-Graywalls-20241017011700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017012800-Graywalls-20241017011700"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241017014500-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017012800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:KnowledgeIsPower9281" title="User:KnowledgeIsPower9281">KnowledgeIsPower9281</a>:</span>, the thing is that there's not much secondary sources talking about it and at this point, the notability is in question. It is mandatory that presented contents are verifiable, but per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTEVERYTHING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTEVERYTHING">WP:NOTEVERYTHING</a>, not everything verifiable deserves an article. We go by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SNG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SNG">subject specific notability guidelines</a> such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NGEO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NGEO">WP:NGEO</a>. You may find <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AKON" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AKON">this</a> useful. Article notability is not something justified through what an editor feels should be included, whether that be the oldest cow, biggest rock, the (insert your superlatives here) est whatever in (insert qualifier here) <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241017014500-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017012800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241017014500-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017012800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241017014500-KnowledgeIsPower9281-20241017012800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Have_a_look..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Have_a_look...-20241024155700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Have_a_look...-20241024155700"></span>Have a look...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Have_a_look...-20241024155700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=115" title="Edit section: Have a look..."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20241024155700-Have_a_look..."></span>at this <a class="external autonumber" href="https://sigma.toolforge.org/editorinteract.py?users=Smatprt&users=GentlemanGhost&users=&startdate=&enddate=&ns=&server=enwiki">[19]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20241024155700-Have_a_look..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20241024155700-Have_a_look..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20241024155700-Have_a_look..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241024155800-Netherzone-20241024155700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, have you seen COI/N I just started? I was thinking the same thing. Do you wanna go ahead and open up the SPI since you got the ball going already? <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241024155800-Netherzone-20241024155700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241024155800-Netherzone-20241024155700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241024155800-Netherzone-20241024155700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20241024160300-Graywalls-20241024155800"></span>I placed this here because I saw what you wrote at COIN. Please, you go ahead with an SPI since you spotted it. I've got to start my day in real life because it's after 12 noon already in my neck of the woods. If I discover anything else will jump in. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20241024160300-Graywalls-20241024155800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20241024160300-Graywalls-20241024155800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20241024160300-Graywalls-20241024155800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20241030141300-Netherzone-20241024160300"></span>I was looking for better references for the Pacific Repertory Theater, and found this book. Read what page 243 says.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Soul_of_the_Age/E3eIBAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Pacific+Repertory+Theater%22&pg=PA243&printsec=frontcover">[20]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20241030141300-Netherzone-20241024160300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20241030141300-Netherzone-20241024160300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20241030141300-Netherzone-20241024160300"></span> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://spectrum.ieee.org/wikipedias-shakespeare-problem"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241102004000-Netherzone-20241030141300"></span>https://spectrum.ieee.org/wikipedias-shakespeare-problem</a> <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241102004000-Netherzone-20241030141300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241102004000-Netherzone-20241030141300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241102004000-Netherzone-20241030141300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241101144600-Netherzone-20241024155700"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, I thought about it but haven't got around to it. So how confident do you feel they're soc.king or do you thinking it's more likely to be meat instead? <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241101144600-Netherzone-20241024155700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241101144600-Netherzone-20241024155700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241101144600-Netherzone-20241024155700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20241101162000-Graywalls-20241101144600"></span>I think the IPs are LOUT, maybe there's some meat, but there are also good faith editors interested in theater. There is an old ArbCom case, not relevant to the Carmel/Monterey UPE. This is stale, but interesting: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User+talk%3AWilliam_M._Connolley&oldid=311743030#Re:Monterey,_CA">[21]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20241101162000-Graywalls-20241101144600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20241101162000-Graywalls-20241101144600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20241101162000-Graywalls-20241101144600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241101170300-Netherzone-20241101162000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, I'm surprised how pervasive public relations editing is in the subject area of Repertory Theatres. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241101170300-Netherzone-20241101162000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241101170300-Netherzone-20241101162000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241101170300-Netherzone-20241101162000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20241101195400-Graywalls-20241101170300"></span>Good thing you noticed and are working on cleaning up the promo/PR. I really wish Wikipedia was not used as a free-advertising venue and that people got the fact that it is an encyclopedia. I also think it's time to retire the "encyclopedia anyone can edit" slogan, or at least attach as a disclaimer to it. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20241101195400-Graywalls-20241101170300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20241101195400-Graywalls-20241101170300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20241101195400-Graywalls-20241101170300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Axad12-20241102104200-Netherzone-20241101195400"></span>Hi, apologies for intruding here but I would strongly encourage one or the other of you to open an SPI (I'd do it myself but I don't know how to). The user will surely end up being site blocked in the not too distant future. If they have an alternate sock account that they have used for COI editing, evading a topic ban, distorting consensus at AfD, etc. then it would be for the best that it be determined sooner rather than later so that that can also be site blocked. If the other account isn't a sock account then no harm done. <a href="/wiki/User:Axad12" title="User:Axad12">Axad12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Axad12" title="User talk:Axad12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Axad12-20241102104200-Netherzone-20241101195400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Axad12-20241102104200-Netherzone-20241101195400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Axad12-20241102104200-Netherzone-20241101195400"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241102143100-Axad12-20241102104200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Axad12" title="User:Axad12">Axad12</a>:</span>, it's hidden in the "how to open" box. hit "show". <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241102143100-Axad12-20241102104200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241102143100-Axad12-20241102104200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241102143100-Axad12-20241102104200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Axad12-20241102163600-Graywalls-20241102143100"></span>Okay, that's interesting. Thank you.</dd> <dd>I'm reluctant to do it for fear that I will set it up incorrectly in some way, as I once did when trying to set up my one and only AfD and thus making it borderline inadmissible. On that occasion I received a ticking off for it, but no info on exactly what I had done wrong (despite a request for clarification). Sadly for me, someone whose computer skills are very limited and who was simply doing the best they could, that experience was sufficient for me to no longer attempt to use such processes.</dd> <dd>I draw the line at setting up requests at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RPPI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RPPI">WP:RPPI</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CP">WP:CP</a>, which I find just about within my meagre skills. <a href="/wiki/User:Axad12" title="User:Axad12">Axad12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Axad12" title="User talk:Axad12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Axad12-20241102163600-Graywalls-20241102143100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Axad12-20241102163600-Graywalls-20241102143100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Axad12-20241102163600-Graywalls-20241102143100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20241117194400-Axad12-20241102163600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Axad12" title="User:Axad12">Axad12</a>, do you know if it is possible to edit from a smart phone while running around while on a <u>cable network</u>? I don't know that much about such technical issues, but was just wondering. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20241117194400-Axad12-20241102163600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20241117194400-Axad12-20241102163600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20241117194400-Axad12-20241102163600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241117200900-Netherzone-20241117194400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span>, I don't exactly understand the question.. what are you trying to do?</dd> <dd>If you're connected to say Comcast internet connection via WiFi with your smart phone, you would be editing from that network and the phone is essentially a computer on that network. Or did you mean accessing the internet from a physical-jack only network? For the latter, you'd have to setup a WiFi access point fed from that port, then you'd just connect to that by WiFi. If you put it into airplane mode, then enable WiFi, you'd be editing exclusively through WiFi. If you disable WiFi in standard mode, you'd be editing through mobile/towers. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241117200900-Netherzone-20241117194400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241117200900-Netherzone-20241117194400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241117200900-Netherzone-20241117194400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20241118000900-Graywalls-20241117200900"></span>So if I understand this correctly, it's not really possible for a person to be <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AConflict_of_interest%2FNoticeboard&diff=1257793659&oldid=1257737248">running around</a> doing errands and such while editing on a smart phone, while connected to a cable network, for example, Comcast(?) <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20241118000900-Graywalls-20241117200900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20241118000900-Graywalls-20241117200900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20241118000900-Graywalls-20241117200900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241118013600-Netherzone-20241118000900"></span>It's possible. <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>:</span> They're just editing without logging in. If one edits on Wikipedia without signing in, it will just show the IP from whatever network you're connected to as your public identity if you don't sign-in. So, it's like texting people from a random phone and saying "Hi, this is so and so" which would be disruptive if it becomes a routine thing. Anyways, all they had to was simply log-in before interacting, or log-in and stay logged in if they have a tendency to forget. Check out <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LOGOUT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LOGOUT">WP:LOGOUT</a>. It's annoying, because you couldn't see their contribution history by user when they do this. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241118013600-Netherzone-20241118000900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241118013600-Netherzone-20241118000900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241118013600-Netherzone-20241118000900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="G11_on_Marjaree_Mason_Center" data-mw-thread-id="h-G11_on_Marjaree_Mason_Center-20241103003900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-G11_on_Marjaree_Mason_Center-20241103003900"></span>G11 on <a href="/wiki/Marjaree_Mason_Center" title="Marjaree Mason Center">Marjaree Mason Center</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-G11_on_Marjaree_Mason_Center-20241103003900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=116" title="Edit section: G11 on Marjaree Mason Center"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241103003900-G11_on_Marjaree_Mason_Center"></span>Hi Graywalls -- I see what you mean with this one, but I don't think it's unsalvageable -- could easily be pruned to something more appropriate. Notability is perhaps more of an issue, but it isn't A7; I'd imagine there's lots of press coverage available. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Espresso_Addict" title="User:Espresso Addict">Espresso Addict</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Espresso_Addict" title="User talk:Espresso Addict">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Espresso_Addict-20241103003900-G11_on_Marjaree_Mason_Center" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:39, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Espresso_Addict-20241103003900-G11_on_Marjaree_Mason_Center"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Espresso_Addict-20241103003900-G11_on_Marjaree_Mason_Center"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reversion_of_collapsing_at_COIN" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reversion_of_collapsing_at_COIN-20241104062900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reversion_of_collapsing_at_COIN-20241104062900"></span>Reversion of collapsing at COIN<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reversion_of_collapsing_at_COIN-20241104062900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=117" title="Edit section: Reversion of collapsing at COIN"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Axad12-20241104062900-Reversion_of_collapsing_at_COIN"></span>Not wishing to disagree with you, as I'm sure that we agree on all important COI/COIN related issues and have the greatest of respect for each other... </p><p>However, it was the opinion of both myself and <a href="/wiki/User:GreenLipstickLesbian" title="User:GreenLipstickLesbian">GreenLipstickLesbian</a> that the material was very off-topic and better off collapsed (as per their comment on-thread and their subsequently having thanked me for collapsing it). If anything, I thought the material was more off-topic than that in the previous collapse. </p><p>I must admit that it had occurred to me (after making the collapse) that GLL's comment re: the user previously having disclosed their identity on-wiki was very important and that I ought to have found a way of retaining that comment outside of the collapse (e.g. by adding a further post at the bottom of the thread including it as a quote). I am inclined to recollapse the material and add something to that effect. Would that resolve your misgivings? </p><p>My concern here is that it is very difficult to get admins to take action at COIN. The central issue in that thread is so simple that it could be summarised in a single sentence. However, the current length of the thread (due to assumed good faith contributions by a further off-topic contributor) makes it far less likely that an admin will read all the way to the end in uncollapsed form (or even start reading it at all). That was basically my motivation in collapsing the material, and I'm confident that we both agree on that reasoning. I would be grateful, however, for your thoughts. <a href="/wiki/User:Axad12" title="User:Axad12">Axad12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Axad12" title="User talk:Axad12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Axad12-20241104062900-Reversion_of_collapsing_at_COIN" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Axad12-20241104062900-Reversion_of_collapsing_at_COIN"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Axad12-20241104062900-Reversion_of_collapsing_at_COIN"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241104101100-Axad12-20241104062900"></span>Prior to that section, I suggested Green C over to COIN overo n Forest Theatre talk, so I wanted to hear all they had to say rather than have it in talk pages all over the place. That's why I uncollapsed just one of the parts. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241104101100-Axad12-20241104062900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241104101100-Axad12-20241104062900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241104101100-Axad12-20241104062900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Axad12-20241104103600-Graywalls-20241104101100"></span>Not sure I follow your logic. You uncollapsed the second collapse, even though GreenC had nothing specific to contribute to the discussion re: Smatprt and only made generalised comments about how serious they considered COI to be as a problem (plus various other comments about text deletion at the articles).</dd> <dd>I don't see that they had anything to say that was on-topic. That was unfortunate, because it would have been good if they had contributed to the discussion on Smatprt, but as with 4meter4 and Ssilvers it seemed to me that they were only interested in they co-opting the discussion to an entirely different purpose (i.e. downplaying COI and using that as a premise to oppose deletion of article text).</dd> <dd>What am I missing? <a href="/wiki/User:Axad12" title="User:Axad12">Axad12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Axad12" title="User talk:Axad12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Axad12-20241104103600-Graywalls-20241104101100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Axad12-20241104103600-Graywalls-20241104101100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Axad12-20241104103600-Graywalls-20241104101100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241104104200-Axad12-20241104103600"></span>I really don't care either way at this point. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241104104200-Axad12-20241104103600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241104104200-Axad12-20241104103600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241104104200-Axad12-20241104103600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Axad12-20241111234200-Graywalls-20241104104200"></span>An apology...</dd> <dd>Just a note to say that when I collapsed the relevant sections I did so simply to abbreviate the thread and to separate what I (arguably incorrectly) deemed to be on-topic and off-topic discussion. It has subsequently come to my attention that in doing so I inadvertently prevented further discussion from taking place within the collapse.</dd> <dd>That had not been my intention - and in fact I'm shocked to find that that was the result of my actions. I therefore want to apologise unreservedly.</dd> <dd>(Copying in <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a>, who had previously asked me to undo the collapsed sections).</dd> <dd>Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Axad12" title="User:Axad12">Axad12</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Axad12" title="User talk:Axad12">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Axad12-20241111234200-Graywalls-20241104104200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Axad12-20241111234200-Graywalls-20241104104200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Axad12-20241111234200-Graywalls-20241104104200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Netherzone-20241112000700-Axad12-20241111234200"></span>No apology necessary, it was clear you were acting with the best of intentions. I just felt like everyone's voices should be heard. Was really hoping that an admin would stop by to at least analyze the case if not act on it. At least the editor finally replied and admitted their COI, however they were first made aware of COI back in 2009, so it is doubtful they didn't understand about financial COIs. <a href="/wiki/User:Netherzone" title="User:Netherzone">Netherzone</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Netherzone" title="User talk:Netherzone">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Netherzone-20241112000700-Axad12-20241111234200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:07, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Netherzone-20241112000700-Axad12-20241111234200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Netherzone-20241112000700-Axad12-20241111234200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Forest_Theater,_PRT_etc" data-mw-thread-id="h-Forest_Theater,_PRT_etc-20241104150300"><span id="Forest_Theater.2C_PRT_etc"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Forest_Theater,_PRT_etc-20241104150300"></span>Forest Theater, PRT etc<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Forest_Theater,_PRT_etc-20241104150300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=118" title="Edit section: Forest Theater, PRT etc"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maineartists-20241104150300-Forest_Theater,_PRT_etc"></span>Hello <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a>. I have yet to start editing any of the connected articles; and it would seem that editing will be somewhat of a task, since previous contributors who have heavily edited the pages have very strong opinions about content and references. They also tend to revert other editors who are trying to better the article in keeping with MOS and WP policy, i.e. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Forest_Theater&diff=prev&oldid=1255185333">[22]</a> reverted to <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Forest_Theater&diff=prev&oldid=1255221275">[23]</a>. I am of the mind that there is just too much non-essential information, lists, name-association and puffery content that simply does not belong or contribute to the article at large regardless of any editor's belief that it is "interesting" or "referenced". I worry that when I begin my edits, my attempts will just be met with immediate reverts by the hawks that are waiting in the trees above. Any helpful advice? Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Maineartists" title="User:Maineartists">Maineartists</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maineartists" title="User talk:Maineartists">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Maineartists-20241104150300-Forest_Theater,_PRT_etc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maineartists-20241104150300-Forest_Theater,_PRT_etc"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maineartists-20241104150300-Forest_Theater,_PRT_etc"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241104150600-Maineartists-20241104150300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Maineartists" title="User:Maineartists">Maineartists</a>:</span>, It might be best to let it cool off for a few weeks. If it's still non-workable, it might call for an AfD, RFC, or Dispute Resolution. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241104150600-Maineartists-20241104150300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241104150600-Maineartists-20241104150300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241104150600-Maineartists-20241104150300"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maineartists-20241104152000-Graywalls-20241104150600"></span>True. I'll come back to it, as you suggest. We'll see how it is accepted then. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Maineartists" title="User:Maineartists">Maineartists</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maineartists" title="User talk:Maineartists">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Maineartists-20241104152000-Graywalls-20241104150600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maineartists-20241104152000-Graywalls-20241104150600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maineartists-20241104152000-Graywalls-20241104150600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Artists_Repertory_Theatre" data-mw-thread-id="h-Artists_Repertory_Theatre-20241107031300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Artists_Repertory_Theatre-20241107031300"></span><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1255190456" title="Special:Diff/1255190456">Artists Repertory Theatre</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Artists_Repertory_Theatre-20241107031300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=119" title="Edit section: Artists Repertory Theatre"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sennecaster-20241107031300-Artists_Repertory_Theatre"></span>Hi Graywalls, I've fixed your tag here for you. If you see a revdel tag without revisions specified, it's better to try to fix the tag yourself than to remove it entirely. Most admins won't be happy about it but will not outright decline a request for not having revisions specified too. Please don't outright remove copyvio or revdel tags unless it's wrong. Thank you, <a href="/wiki/User:Sennecaster" title="User:Sennecaster"><span style="color:#066516">Sennecaster</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sennecaster" title="User talk:Sennecaster"><span style="color:#8E4106">Chat</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Sennecaster-20241107031300-Artists_Repertory_Theatre" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sennecaster-20241107031300-Artists_Repertory_Theatre"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sennecaster-20241107031300-Artists_Repertory_Theatre"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241107031500-Sennecaster-20241107031300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sennecaster" title="User:Sennecaster">Sennecaster</a>:</span>, I actually suggested to whoever tagged it to say exactly where they found the issue and to re-do it with the revs, because I wasn't exactly sure where it was. So I assume they were going to do it soon. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241107031500-Sennecaster-20241107031300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:15, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241107031500-Sennecaster-20241107031300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241107031500-Sennecaster-20241107031300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sennecaster-20241107032200-Graywalls-20241107031500"></span>There was intervening edits so the revert notif didn't go through I guess; makes sense though. <a href="/wiki/User:Sennecaster" title="User:Sennecaster"><span style="color:#066516">Sennecaster</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sennecaster" title="User talk:Sennecaster"><span style="color:#8E4106">Chat</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Sennecaster-20241107032200-Graywalls-20241107031500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sennecaster-20241107032200-Graywalls-20241107031500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sennecaster-20241107032200-Graywalls-20241107031500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hello_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hello_2-20241110154900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hello_2-20241110154900"></span>Hello<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hello_2-20241110154900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=120" title="Edit section: Hello"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Monkeywire-20241110154900-Hello_2"></span>As long as you are following my edits, why not take a look at The Charles Rivers laboratory page? Fortune 500 company that has wiped every negative reference of it off over the years and cites itself almost exclusively. I placed a promo tag on it but mostly left it alone, save for cutting an especially reaching self-sourced claim. <a href="/wiki/User:Monkeywire" title="User:Monkeywire">Monkeywire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Monkeywire" title="User talk:Monkeywire">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Monkeywire-20241110154900-Hello_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Monkeywire-20241110154900-Hello_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Monkeywire-20241110154900-Hello_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241110155000-Monkeywire-20241110154900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Monkeywire" title="User:Monkeywire">Monkeywire</a>:</span>, go clean it out and fix it :) <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241110155000-Monkeywire-20241110154900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241110155000-Monkeywire-20241110154900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241110155000-Monkeywire-20241110154900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Monkeywire-20241110155500-Graywalls-20241110155000"></span>Only if you'll back me up if someone gives me hell. I've no stomach for edit battles (and mostly edit low-priority pages for that reason!) <a href="/wiki/User:Monkeywire" title="User:Monkeywire">Monkeywire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Monkeywire" title="User talk:Monkeywire">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Monkeywire-20241110155500-Graywalls-20241110155000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Monkeywire-20241110155500-Graywalls-20241110155000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Monkeywire-20241110155500-Graywalls-20241110155000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20241114222500"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20241114222500"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20241114222500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=121" title="Edit section: A barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3family6-20241114222500-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Original_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Original_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Original_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Original_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Original_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Original_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Original_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Original Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">For your contributions, especially the cleanup of articles. <a href="/wiki/User:3family6" title="User:3family6"><b style="color:navy">3family6</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3family6" title="User talk:3family6"><u style="color:black">Talk to me</u></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3family6" title="Special:Contributions/3family6"><small style="color:purple">See what I have done</small></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-3family6-20241114222500-A_barnstar_for_you!_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3family6-20241114222500-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3family6-20241114222500-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Good_article_reassessment_for_Technique_(newspaper)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Technique_(newspaper)-20241116034600"><span id="Good_article_reassessment_for_Technique_.28newspaper.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Technique_(newspaper)-20241116034600"></span>Good article reassessment for <a href="/wiki/Technique_(newspaper)" title="Technique (newspaper)">Technique (newspaper)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_article_reassessment_for_Technique_(newspaper)-20241116034600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=122" title="Edit section: Good article reassessment for Technique (newspaper)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Technique_(newspaper)" title="Technique (newspaper)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hog_Farm-20241116034600-Good_article_reassessment_for_Technique_(newspaper)"></span>Technique (newspaper)</a> has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Technique_(newspaper)/1" title="Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Technique (newspaper)/1">reassessment page</a>. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Hog_Farm" title="User:Hog Farm">Hog Farm</a> <sub> <i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hog_Farm" title="User talk:Hog Farm">Talk</a></i></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Hog_Farm-20241116034600-Good_article_reassessment_for_Technique_(newspaper)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hog_Farm-20241116034600-Good_article_reassessment_for_Technique_(newspaper)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hog_Farm-20241116034600-Good_article_reassessment_for_Technique_(newspaper)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Encyclopedia_Metallum/Metal_Archives" data-mw-thread-id="h-Encyclopedia_Metallum/Metal_Archives-20241116121600"><span id="Encyclopedia_Metallum.2FMetal_Archives"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Encyclopedia_Metallum/Metal_Archives-20241116121600"></span>Encyclopedia Metallum/Metal Archives<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Encyclopedia_Metallum/Metal_Archives-20241116121600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=123" title="Edit section: Encyclopedia Metallum/Metal Archives"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3family6-20241116121600-Encyclopedia_Metallum/Metal_Archives"></span>I saw in your RS/N post about Symphony of Heaven that you listed Encyclopedia Metallum/Metal Archives as being given as a source. Metal Archives is user-generated and thus never should be used as a source, let alone for BLP statements.--<a href="/wiki/User:3family6" title="User:3family6"><b style="color:navy">3family6</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3family6" title="User talk:3family6"><u style="color:black">Talk to me</u></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3family6" title="Special:Contributions/3family6"><small style="color:purple">See what I have done</small></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-3family6-20241116121600-Encyclopedia_Metallum/Metal_Archives" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3family6-20241116121600-Encyclopedia_Metallum/Metal_Archives"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3family6-20241116121600-Encyclopedia_Metallum/Metal_Archives"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241116141700-3family6-20241116121600"></span>Do you have the diff? I don't recall saying anything about SoH at the RS/N and I couldn't find it. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241116141700-3family6-20241116121600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241116141700-3family6-20241116121600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241116141700-3family6-20241116121600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3family6-20241116154200-Graywalls-20241116141700"></span>It's listed among unreliable sources <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ALBUMAVOID" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ALBUMAVOID">here</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Archive_52#Genres_and_User-Contributed_Sources" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 52">this</a> is the relevant discussion. I also recommend in general that you look over the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:A/S" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:A/S">Album sources</a> list as I think it will help you address these issues.--<a href="/wiki/User:3family6" title="User:3family6"><b style="color:navy">3family6</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3family6" title="User talk:3family6"><u style="color:black">Talk to me</u></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3family6" title="Special:Contributions/3family6"><small style="color:purple">See what I have done</small></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-3family6-20241116154200-Graywalls-20241116141700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3family6-20241116154200-Graywalls-20241116141700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3family6-20241116154200-Graywalls-20241116141700"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241116161300-3family6-20241116154200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:3family6" title="User:3family6">3family6</a>:</span>, I was asking you to link me the specific <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DIFF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DIFF">WP:DIFF</a> where I was even talking about those sources as I don't recall it. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241116161300-3family6-20241116154200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241116161300-3family6-20241116154200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241116161300-3family6-20241116154200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3family6-20241116172200-Graywalls-20241116161300"></span>OH! Sorry, it's this right here: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_453#Identifying_reliable_sources_in_Symphony_of_Heaven_and_music_articles_in_general" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 453">Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_453#Identifying_reliable_sources_in_Symphony_of_Heaven_and_music_articles_in_general</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:3family6" title="User:3family6"><b style="color:navy">3family6</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3family6" title="User talk:3family6"><u style="color:black">Talk to me</u></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3family6" title="Special:Contributions/3family6"><small style="color:purple">See what I have done</small></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-3family6-20241116172200-Graywalls-20241116161300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:22, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3family6-20241116172200-Graywalls-20241116161300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3family6-20241116172200-Graywalls-20241116161300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graywalls-20241116174200-3family6-20241116172200"></span>Oh D'oh. <a href="/wiki/User:Graywalls" title="User:Graywalls">Graywalls</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-Graywalls-20241116174200-3family6-20241116172200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graywalls-20241116174200-3family6-20241116172200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graywalls-20241116174200-3family6-20241116172200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3family6-20241116173300-Encyclopedia_Metallum/Metal_Archives"></span>FYI, I wasn't stalking, I was trying to go back and unravel the COI issue and find out what happened.--<a href="/wiki/User:3family6" title="User:3family6"><b style="color:navy">3family6</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3family6" title="User talk:3family6"><u style="color:black">Talk to me</u></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3family6" title="Special:Contributions/3family6"><small style="color:purple">See what I have done</small></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-3family6-20241116173300-Encyclopedia_Metallum/Metal_Archives" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3family6-20241116173300-Encyclopedia_Metallum/Metal_Archives"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3family6-20241116173300-Encyclopedia_Metallum/Metal_Archives"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RE:_Changing_NBAND" data-mw-thread-id="h-RE:_Changing_NBAND-20241118172500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RE:_Changing_NBAND-20241118172500"></span>RE: Changing NBAND<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RE:_Changing_NBAND-20241118172500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=124" title="Edit section: RE: Changing NBAND"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-3family6-20241118172500-RE:_Changing_NBAND"></span>I <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Proposal_to_update_WP:NBAND_to_be_explicitly_constrained_by_WP:GNG" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)">made a formal proposal to change NBAND</a>, but it's a non-starter, apparently.--<a href="/wiki/User:3family6" title="User:3family6"><b style="color:navy">3family6</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3family6" title="User 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Thought you would like to take a look. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Are_any_or_all_of_these_metal-oriented_music_journalism_sites_reliable?_No_Clean_Singing,_Teeth_of_the_Divine,_Metal_Underground,_The_Metal_Onslaught?" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard">Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Are any or all of these metal-oriented music journalism sites reliable? No Clean Singing, Teeth of the Divine, Metal Underground, The Metal Onslaught?</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:3family6" title="User:3family6"><b style="color:navy">3family6</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:3family6" title="User talk:3family6"><u style="color:black">Talk to me</u></a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/3family6" title="Special:Contributions/3family6"><small style="color:purple">See what I have done</small></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Graywalls#c-3family6-20241119011300-New_RS/N_post" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-3family6-20241119011300-New_RS/N_post"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-3family6-20241119011300-New_RS/N_post"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Breyers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Breyers-20241127000200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Breyers-20241127000200"></span>Breyers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Breyers-20241127000200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Graywalls&action=edit&section=127" title="Edit section: Breyers"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CNMall41-20241127000200-Breyers"></span>I took a crack at trying to clean up some of the company-speak. 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