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Once again, welcome, and I hope you quickly feel comfortable here, and become an active editor for Wikidata. <dl><dd>Regards, --<a href="/wiki/User:Ymblanter" title="User:Ymblanter">Ymblanter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ymblanter" title="User talk:Ymblanter">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ymblanter-2012-11-02T17:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:34, 2 November 2012 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> </div> <dl><dd>Привет, Ярослав :) <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-2012-11-02T17:38:00.000Z-Ymblanter-2012-11-02T17:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 2 November 2012 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I removed <a href="/wiki/Property:P488" title="Property:P488">chairperson (P488)</a> as it seemed to triggered a constraint issue when I looked at this early this week. I was in the process of locating a property for Red Cloud as the chieftan/chief of the tribe to the <a href="/wiki/Q543386" title="Q543386">Oglala Lakota (Q543386)</a> entity. However the item <a href="/wiki/Q312721" title="Q312721">Red Cloud (Q312721)</a> clearly states his role in the tribe. <a href="/wiki/User:ShiehJ" title="User:ShiehJ">jshieh</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ShiehJ" title="User talk:ShiehJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-ShiehJ-2021-12-09T16:14:00.000Z-Infovarius-2012-11-02T17:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 9 December 2021 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div align="right"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2202362292">.mw-parser-output th.mbox-text,.mw-parser-output td.mbox-text{border:none;padding:0.25em 0.9em;width:100%}.mw-parser-output td.mbox-image{border:none;padding:2px 0 2px 0.9em;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output td.mbox-imageright{border:none;padding:2px 0.9em 2px 0;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output 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tocsection-1"><a href="#Ρούμπεους_Χάγκριντ">1 Ρούμπεους Χάγκριντ</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#Q6581072">2 Q6581072</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#Mercury">3 Mercury</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#Q19707">4 Q19707</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#Q2386361_Mexicanero">5 Q2386361 Mexicanero</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#Rubber">6 Rubber</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Computer_surveillance:_conflation?">7 Computer surveillance: conflation?</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#«Computer_appliance»_и_«Программно-аппаратный_комплекс»">8 «Computer appliance» и «Программно-аппаратный комплекс»</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Shonen,_Seinen_and_Josei_in_french.">9 Shonen, Seinen and Josei in french.</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Q28122896">10 Q28122896</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#Discarded_change_on_Coltrane's_Wikidata_page">11 Discarded change on Coltrane's Wikidata page</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#De-facto">12 De-facto</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#Smettila">13 Smettila</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#Киевские_митрополиты">14 Киевские митрополиты</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#Babkin">15 Babkin</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#clitoris_(Q873072)">16 clitoris (Q873072)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#Label/метка">17 Label/метка</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#"looks_intolerant"">18 "looks intolerant"</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="#Ремейки">19 Ремейки</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#Предупреждение">20 Предупреждение</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="#Q7368_and_Q58697">21 Q7368 and Q58697</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="#Explanation">22 Explanation</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-23"><a href="#Regarding_metaclasses_of_chemical_entities">23 Regarding metaclasses of chemical entities</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-24"><a href="#Неожиданная_просьба">24 Неожиданная просьба</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-25"><a href="#Sitelink_in_Australopithecine_/_Австралопитецина">25 Sitelink in Australopithecine / Австралопитецина</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-26"><a href="#by_club_or_team">26 by club or team</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-27"><a href="#Wrong_merger">27 Wrong merger</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-28"><a href="#Ялта">28 Ялта</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-29"><a href="#Фурсенко">29 Фурсенко</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-30"><a href="#жена_Даниила_Александровича">30 жена Даниила Александровича</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-31"><a href="#Lover_(in_general),_male_and_female_lover">31 Lover (in general), male and female lover</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-32"><a href="#Q3326454,_Merging_clusters_of_articles_in_different_languages">32 Q3326454, Merging clusters of articles in different languages</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-33"><a href="#Q12397773">33 Q12397773</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-34"><a href="#Германия">34 Германия</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-35"><a href="#Контейнер_для_искусств_по_этнической_группе">35 Контейнер для искусств по этнической группе</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-36"><a href="#men's_pole_vault_world_record_(Q1136293)">36 men's pole vault world record (Q1136293)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-37"><a href="#Brazzaville">37 Brazzaville</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-38"><a href="#2011_Nobel_Peace_Prize_(Q4622018)">38 2011 Nobel Peace Prize (Q4622018)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-39"><a href="#w:fi:Tutkielma">39 w:fi:Tutkielma</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-40"><a href="#Your_last_revert">40 Your last revert</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-41"><a href="#Revert_at_extraterrestrial_vortex_(Q5422262)">41 Revert at extraterrestrial vortex (Q5422262)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-42"><a href="#Your_current_reverts_on_kanas_are_the_wrong_way">42 Your current reverts on kanas are the wrong way</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-43"><a href="#FC_Barcelona_(Q7156)">43 FC Barcelona (Q7156)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-44"><a href="#P694">44 P694</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-45"><a href="#Violent_non-state_actors">45 Violent non-state actors</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-46"><a href="#FC_Barcelona_(Q7156)_2">46 FC Barcelona (Q7156)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-47"><a href="#Русский_язык_≠_Язык_математики">47 Русский язык ≠ Язык математики</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-48"><a href="#D:Q2944445">48 D:Q2944445</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-49"><a href="#Russian_occupation_of_Crimea">49 Russian occupation of Crimea</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-50"><a href="#Drug_is_a_subclass_of_chemical">50 Drug is a subclass of chemical</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-51"><a href="#Food_product_is_a_subclass_of_food">51 Food product is a subclass of food</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-52"><a href="#Odesa_oblast_and_Ukraine">52 Odesa oblast and Ukraine</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-53"><a href="#Shantar_Islands">53 Shantar Islands</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-54"><a href="#Voldemort_Wikidata_Czech_aliases">54 Voldemort Wikidata Czech aliases</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-55"><a href="#Q326073">55 Q326073</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-56"><a href="#Duration_of_"The_Pianist"">56 Duration of "The Pianist"</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-57"><a href="#Bashkortostan_coordinates">57 Bashkortostan coordinates</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-58"><a href="#abandoned_fandom_wikis">58 abandoned fandom wikis</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-59"><a href="#country_of_origin_vs_country">59 country of origin vs country</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-60"><a href="#Question">60 Question</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-61"><a href="#multi-sport_event">61 multi-sport event</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-62"><a href="#Q4425371">62 Q4425371</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-63"><a href="#Каркассон">63 Каркассон</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-64"><a href="#Reversion">64 Reversion</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-65"><a href="#Régions_françaises">65 Régions françaises</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-66"><a href="#President_not_always_of_a_federation">66 President not always of a federation</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-67"><a href="#President_of_a_specific_entity_not_a_class">67 President of a specific entity not a class</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-68"><a href="#how_to_model_books_in_WD">68 how to model books in WD</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-69"><a href="#Q15932790">69 Q15932790</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-70"><a href="#Adpositional_senses">70 Adpositional senses</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-71"><a href="#Guided_missile_cruiser">71 Guided missile cruiser</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-72"><a href="#legal_form">72 legal form</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-73"><a href="#ישוע">73 ישוע</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-74"><a href="#Lord's_Supper_/_participle_revert">74 Lord's Supper / participle revert</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-75"><a href="#Шаблон:Внешние_ссылки">75 Шаблон:Внешние ссылки</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-76"><a href="#de-nominalist_church">76 de-nominalist church</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-77"><a href="#third-order_chemical_classes">77 third-order chemical classes</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-78"><a href="#vehicle_family">78 vehicle family</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-79"><a href="#Q579600_functional">79 Q579600 functional</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-80"><a href="#Ukrainian_language">80 Ukrainian language</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-81"><a href="#Adding_title_to_group">81 Adding title to group</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-82"><a href="#Edit_wars_at_(Q17265)">82 Edit wars at (Q17265)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-83"><a href="#Q130191599_и_Q16629979">83 Q130191599 и Q16629979</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-84"><a href="#"Occupation"">84 "Occupation"</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-85"><a href="#Mul_labels">85 Mul labels</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-86"><a href="#Betula">86 Betula</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-87"><a href="#Языки_территории">87 Языки территории</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-88"><a href="#Obsolete_taxonomic_schemes_and_reliability_of_references">88 Obsolete taxonomic schemes and reliability of references</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-89"><a href="#Ричина_отмены_правки">89 Ричина отмены правки</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-90"><a href="#Re-inserting_GND_redirect">90 Re-inserting GND redirect</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-91"><a href="#Hertz_hertz_(Q39369)">91 Hertz hertz (Q39369)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-92"><a href="#Citizenship">92 Citizenship</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-93"><a href="#former_entity">93 former entity</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-94"><a href="#Q1046594_vs_Q36156">94 Q1046594 vs Q36156</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-95"><a href="#human_instance_of_endling">95 human instance of endling</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-96"><a href="#graph_ontology">96 graph ontology</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-97"><a href="#Recent_reverts_and_mess_(again)">97 Recent reverts and mess (again)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-98"><a href="#Кубоид">98 Кубоид</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-99"><a href="#Q65706630">99 Q65706630</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-100"><a href="#Hungary_vs_Kingdom_of_Hungary">100 Hungary vs Kingdom of Hungary</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-101"><a href="#Administrative_division_categories">101 Administrative division categories</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-102"><a href="#Chapman">102 Chapman</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-103"><a href="#Rus'_language">103 Rus' language</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-104"><a href="#charge_(P1595)">104 charge (P1595)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-105"><a href="#Edit">105 Edit</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-106"><a href="#Remove_Q50231_as_subclass_of_Q41761295">106 Remove Q50231 as subclass of Q41761295</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-107"><a href="#Q111635220_and_Q3419503">107 Q111635220 and Q3419503</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-108"><a href="#domesticated_pigeon_(Q204179)">108 domesticated pigeon (Q204179)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-109"><a href="#Q174069">109 Q174069</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ρούμπεους_Χάγκριντ" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ρούμπεους_Χάγκριντ-20230105122300">Ρούμπεους Χάγκριντ</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Ρούμπεους Χάγκριντ">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Ρούμπεους Χάγκριντ el Ρούμπεους Χάγκριντ οχι <pre>Αυτό το λήμμα έχει προταθεί για διαγραφή σύμφωνα με την πολιτική διαγραφής της Βικιπαίδειας. </pre> Παρακαλούμε δείτε την αιτιολόγηση, επισκεπτόμενοι την καταχώριση της σελίδας στη σελίδα διαγραφών και εκφράστε εκεί τη γνώμη σας γι' αυτό. Είστε ευπρόσδεκτοι να επεξεργαστείτε τη σελίδα, αλλά παρακαλούμε μη διαγράφετε το περιεχόμενο ή την παρούσα σημείωση, καθώς εξελίσσεται η διαδικασία. Προς τον χρήστη που προτείνει τη διαγραφή: Δημιουργήστε την καταχώριση εξηγώντας την αιτιολογία διαγραφής. Διαχειριστές: διαγραφhttps://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A1%CE%BF%CF%8D%CE%BC%CF%80%CE%B5%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%82_%CE%A7%CE%AC%CE%B3%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BD%CF%84 <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A02:587:CC62:CE74:40F5:1165:F3D8:E44A" title="Special:Contributions/2A02:587:CC62:CE74:40F5:1165:F3D8:E44A">2A02:587:CC62:CE74:40F5:1165:F3D8:E44A</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-2A02:587:CC62:CE74:40F5:1165:F3D8:E44A-20230105122300-Ρούμπεους_Χάγκριντ" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:23, 5 January 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>ελ Ρούμπεους Χάγκριντ οχι <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A02:587:CC62:CE74:40F5:1165:F3D8:E44A" title="Special:Contributions/2A02:587:CC62:CE74:40F5:1165:F3D8:E44A">2A02:587:CC62:CE74:40F5:1165:F3D8:E44A</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-2A02:587:CC62:CE74:40F5:1165:F3D8:E44A-20230105122500-2A02:587:CC62:CE74:40F5:1165:F3D8:E44A-20230105122300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:25, 5 January 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I saw this template. When the article will be deleted, the link will be removed from Wikidata item too. Not earlier. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230106003400-2A02:587:CC62:CE74:40F5:1165:F3D8:E44A-20230105122500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:34, 6 January 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q6581072" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q6581072-20230109160500">Q6581072</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Q6581072">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello. The reason of my removal of the English page was that it seems that the individual pages all seem to be different and aren't all necessarily about the same thing. The English page – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_(gender)" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:Female (gender)">Female (gender)</a> is a redirect to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:Gender">Gender</a>, the French page – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fr:Sexe_f%C3%A9minin" class="extiw" title="w:fr:Sexe féminin">Sexe féminin</a> ("Female sex") is a redirect to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fr:Femme" class="extiw" title="w:fr:Femme">Femme</a> ("Woman") and the Slovak one –<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/sk:%C5%BDensk%C3%A9_pohlavie" class="extiw" title="w:sk:Ženské pohlavie">Ženské pohlavie</a> ("Female sex") is an article on its own about the biology of the female sex. --<a href="/wiki/User:CaeCalig" title="User:CaeCalig">CaeCalig</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:CaeCalig&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:CaeCalig (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-CaeCalig-20230109160500-Q6581072" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 9 January 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Well they seem quite the same for me... --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230111181500-CaeCalig-20230109160500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 11 January 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mercury" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mercury-20230112183600">Mercury</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Mercury">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi. You recently reverted my edits on <a href="/wiki/Q308" title="Q308">Mercury</a>. These edits brought Mercury in line with Venus, the Moon, the Sun, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. Mercury was not "discovered" or "invented". The issue here is that it automatically populates templates on other Wiki projects with "no value" instead of simply leaving this field as ignored from the template, as per the other celestial bodies known since antiquity. If you insist on Mercury being different from all the other celestial bodies known since antiquity, how do you propose to resolve this field issue on the other wikis? <a href="/wiki/User:MacTire02" title="User:MacTire02">MacTire02</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MacTire02" title="User talk:MacTire02">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-MacTire02-20230112183600-Mercury" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 12 January 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Mercury was discovered when the first conscientious being noted it (or probably also understand that it was a planet, depends on a POV). But it is unknown when and by whom. What's wrong in this claim? And yes, all other "classic" planets should have such claims. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230121211800-MacTire02-20230112183600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 21 January 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q19707" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q19707-20230119150900">Q19707</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Q19707">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi! I had seen <a href="/wiki/Property:P1889" title="Property:P1889">P:P1889</a> (different from) were it's said that <a href="/wiki/Q19707" title="Q19707">Q19707</a> is different from <a href="/wiki/Q1982417" title="Q1982417">Q1982417</a>. So "donkey" is different from "Equus asinus", therefore, both cannot be synonims. That said, it might be that they are synonims and that P1889 is wrong. Right now, I'm undecided, as donkeys can be of different subspecies. I don't have enough knowledge about donkeys (other than they are cool and mostly friendly). So I find your undoing my edit correct. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:B25es" title="User:B25es">B25es</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:B25es" title="User talk:B25es">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-B25es-20230119150900-Q19707" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:09, 19 January 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q2386361_Mexicanero" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q2386361_Mexicanero-20230123151800">Q2386361 Mexicanero</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Q2386361 Mexicanero">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi. I noticed that you reverted my recent edit in <a href="/wiki/Q2386361" title="Q2386361">Mexicanero (Q2386361)</a>. Let me explain why I made the change in the first place. The Mexicanero language, also known as Durango Nahuatl, originally had the ISO 639-3 code "nln". In 2012 it was decided to drop the "nln" code and split it into two new codes: "azd" (Eastern Durango Nahuatl) and "azn" (Western Durango Nahuatl). See <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://iso639-3.sil.org/request/2011-111">change request documentation</a>. The corresponding items are <a href="/wiki/Q16115449" title="Q16115449">Eastern Durango Nahuatl (Q16115449)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q12645553" title="Q12645553">Western Durango Nahuatl (Q12645553)</a>. Q16115449 has <a href="/wiki/Property:P220" title="Property:P220">ISO 639-3 code (P220)</a> "azd", Q12645553 has <a href="/wiki/Property:P220" title="Property:P220">ISO 639-3 code (P220)</a> "azn". Both are <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> Q2386361. So I feel it would be redundant to add the "azd" code to Q2386361. Moreover, I think it would be plain misleading, as "azd" does not apply to the Mexicanero language as a whole, but only to the Eastern variety of it. Or what do you think? <a href="/wiki/User:Languoid" title="User:Languoid">Languoid</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Languoid&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Languoid (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Languoid-20230123151800-Q2386361_Mexicanero" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 23 January 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ok, thanks for the info. You are completely right. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230123185900-Languoid-20230123151800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:59, 23 January 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rubber" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rubber-20230125104400">Rubber</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Rubber">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Now that the item documentation templates work with the <a href="/wiki/Property:P11260" title="Property:P11260">list item (P11260)</a> qualifier, you may want to update <a href="/wiki/Q18113858" title="Q18113858">rubber (Q18113858)</a> in that respect. Please let us know if you encounter any further side effects of the <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> deprecation effort (see <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Data_Quality/Issues/P642" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Data Quality/Issues/P642">Wikidata talk:WikiProject Data Quality/Issues/P642</a> for the discussion of its current state). --<a href="/wiki/User:SM5POR" title="User:SM5POR">SM5POR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SM5POR" title="User talk:SM5POR">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-SM5POR-20230125104400-Rubber" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Unfortunately I can't see "Item documentation" unless I add it in source code. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230126140500-SM5POR-20230125104400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:05, 26 January 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It's included (or at least should be; I can see it) in the autodescription now (since May last year, I think) appearing on the corresponding <a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q18113858&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:Q18113858 (page does not exist)">Talk:Q18113858</a> page, even when that page holds no other content and the link to it shows up as red ("page does not exist"). --<a href="/wiki/User:SM5POR" title="User:SM5POR">SM5POR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SM5POR" title="User talk:SM5POR">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-SM5POR-20230127070200-Infovarius-20230126140500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:02, 27 January 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>No, this is only in English interface. There was a discussion recently but sysops can't (or have no wish) to help other languages... --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230128215900-SM5POR-20230127070200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 28 January 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Aha! Little I know; I haven't even tried any other interface than the English one, but you make me curious to see what the Swedish interface may look like. I have a hunch I'm not going to like it; when I bought a <a href="/wiki/Q658789" title="Q658789">Garmin (Q658789)</a> handheld receiver in 2003 I switched to the English interface in order not to be constantly annoyed by the poor Swedish translation... --<a href="/wiki/User:SM5POR" title="User:SM5POR">SM5POR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SM5POR" title="User talk:SM5POR">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-SM5POR-20230202074800-Infovarius-20230128215900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:48, 2 February 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>In wiki you have power to change it :) That's what I am doing for my native language. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230205081300-SM5POR-20230202074800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 5 February 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Computer_surveillance:_conflation?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Computer_surveillance:_conflation?-20230202072400">Computer surveillance: conflation?</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Computer surveillance: conflation?">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> This may seem unrelated to you, but I'm right now somewhat confused by what I see and would appreciate your comments. I was looking into the "reason for deprecation" class tree and saw <a href="/wiki/Q651476#P279" title="Q651476">subclass of (P279) of computer and network surveillance (Q651476)</a> mention <a href="/wiki/Q14946528" title="Q14946528">conflation (Q14946528)</a>. "Weird" I thought and planned to deprecate it, but out of curiosity I first looked at the edit history and found that it was added by @<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1">Jura1</a> over two years ago. That was unexpected, to say the least! Now, Jura1 hasn't been active for almost a year I believe, and <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">User talk:Jura1</a> doesn't seem to be used for discussions with other editors, so I'm turning to you since you added a <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q166142" title="Q166142">application (Q166142)</a> statement at about the same time. This is of course a long shot, but do you have any idea of why <a href="/wiki/Q14946528" title="Q14946528">conflation (Q14946528)</a> was added back then? Is it some kind of inside joke that flies over my head? Now that I have explained myself, I find myself confident enough to go ahead with the deprecation, hoping my action won't be immediately reverted, but I sure would like to know what caused that claim! And, by the way: <a href="/wiki/Q166142" title="Q166142">application (Q166142)</a>? Really? But it's not half as weird as conflation, so I'm leaving it that way for now... --<a href="/wiki/User:SM5POR" title="User:SM5POR">SM5POR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SM5POR" title="User talk:SM5POR">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-SM5POR-20230202072400-Computer_surveillance:_conflation?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:24, 2 February 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Looking a little further, I found <a href="/wiki/Q5157587" title="Q5157587">computer surveillance in the workplace (Q5157587)</a> as well as <a href="/wiki/Q41107945" title="Q41107945">computer monitoring (Q41107945)</a> and wonder whether there could be a fine distinction between computers being the means vs the target (or maybe even the actors in true Terminator style) of surveillance... --<a href="/wiki/User:SM5POR" title="User:SM5POR">SM5POR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SM5POR" title="User talk:SM5POR">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-SM5POR-20230202082900-SM5POR-20230202072400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>As for <a href="/wiki/Q651476" title="Q651476">computer and network surveillance (Q651476)</a>, it's quite obvious that some sitelinks describes software (as I've added), some hardware, so I understand mentioning <a href="/wiki/Q14946528" title="Q14946528">conflation (Q14946528)</a>. Probably it's worth to separate this items into into. But probably there are "conflation" articles anyway. As for second question, probably we can't distinguish means and target computers well. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230205082700-SM5POR-20230202072400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:27, 5 February 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="«Computer_appliance»_и_«Программно-аппаратный_комплекс»" data-mw-thread-id="h-«Computer_appliance»_и_«Программно-аппаратный_компл-20230225113600"><span id=".C2.ABComputer_appliance.C2.BB_.D0.B8_.C2.AB.D0.9F.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.B3.D1.80.D0.B0.D0.BC.D0.BC.D0.BD.D0.BE-.D0.B0.D0.BF.D0.BF.D0.B0.D1.80.D0.B0.D1.82.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B9_.D0.BA.D0.BE.D0.BC.D0.BF.D0.BB.D0.B5.D0.BA.D1.81.C2.BB">«<a href="/wiki/Q621580" title="Q621580">Computer appliance</a>» и «Программно-аппаратный комплекс»</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: «Computer appliance» и «Программно-аппаратный комплекс»">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> В <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_appliance" class="extiw" title="en:Computer appliance">английской статье</a> рассказывается об устройствах, имеющих узкую область применения и представленных в виде законченных устройств, вроде <a href="/wiki/Q5318" title="Q5318">роутеров</a>, мини-АТС и <a href="/wiki/Q744980" title="Q744980">NAS</a>. Русское словосочетание «<a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81" class="extiw" title="ru:программно-аппаратный комплекс">программно-аппаратный комплекс</a>» — это гораздо более сложное понятие, которое может включать в себя такие системы, как <a href="/wiki/Q1935523" title="Q1935523">SAGE</a>. Это очень сильно разные понятия. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tucvbif&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tucvbif (page does not exist)">Tucvbif</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tucvbif" title="User talk:Tucvbif">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Tucvbif-20230225113600-«Computer_appliance»_и_«Программно-аппаратный_компл" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tucvbif&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tucvbif (page does not exist)">Tucvbif</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tucvbif" title="User talk:Tucvbif">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Tucvbif-20231218215800-Tucvbif-20230225113600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:58, 18 December 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tucvbig&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tucvbig (page does not exist)"><bdi>Tucvbig</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Vbif-routine&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Vbif-routine (page does not exist)"><bdi>Vbif-routine</bdi></a>: так, прошу прощения, потерял эту тему. Что же вы предлагаете? Сделать английскую статью подклассом русской? А остальные языки куда? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20231220180500-Tucvbif-20231218215800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:05, 20 December 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Просто посмотреть, на каком языке понятие ближе к чему. А вообще, как мне кажется, к этой сущности каждый привязал кто во что горазд. Если у английской статьи упор делается на то, что устройство не обслуживается пользователем, то в de — на узкоспециализированной архитектуре, заточенной под работу на ней строго определённого ПО, а у французов вроде как вообще про выделенный сервер говорится. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tucvbif&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tucvbif (page does not exist)">Tucvbif</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tucvbif" title="User talk:Tucvbif">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Tucvbif-20231220185100-Infovarius-20231220180500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:51, 20 December 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Shonen,_Seinen_and_Josei_in_french." data-mw-thread-id="h-Shonen,_Seinen_and_Josei_in_french.-20230302091000">Shonen, Seinen and Josei in french.</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Shonen, Seinen and Josei in french.">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello. Can you please stop changing the description of the Shonen, Seinen and Josei in french !? Can you please stop changing the description of the Shonen, Seinen and Josei in french !? Your information is wrong and it is not necessary; it is just an editorial line of manga magazines; And that's enough for the description of the pages. I'm an experienced Wikipedia user in English and French, so I know what I'm doing, you can find me at Phil81194. I hope you understand what I'm saying, thank you. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/129.45.23.167" title="Special:Contributions/129.45.23.167">129.45.23.167</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-129.45.23.167-20230302091000-Shonen,_Seinen_and_Josei_in_french." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Phil81194&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Phil81194 (page does not exist)"><bdi>Phil81194</bdi></a>: hello! I understand your words but I don't understand your argument. These "editorial lines" have quite established meaning which I want to reflect. What's wrong with it? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230309153700-129.45.23.167-20230302091000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 9 March 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello.</dd> <dd>It is not necessary to mention it in the description, and on the top of that, your information is wrong because it is just the editorial line of the magazines. I would like also to mention that it is up to the wikipedia users of that language to decide the description of the page, and it is been decided by the French language users of Wikipedia. I hope you understand, thanks. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/129.45.20.228" title="Special:Contributions/129.45.20.228">129.45.20.228</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-129.45.20.228-20230309161300-Infovarius-20230309153700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 9 March 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You are wrong. French users put this in preamble: "pour... adolescents et de jeunes de genre masculin". So this is correct and important for this subject. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230310185700-129.45.20.228-20230309161300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 10 March 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>No. Can you please stop adding this, it is too long and not necessary at all, no one did that. I'm a French wikipedia user and I know what I'm doing, it is up to the users of this wikipedia language to decide what the description looks like. You are from the Russian wikipedia, I don't know why you insist on the description of the french one, Please, I hope you understand and leave it like that. Seriously it is just a description ! I don't know why you insist. Thanks.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/41.220.147.30" title="Special:Contributions/41.220.147.30">41.220.147.30</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-41.220.147.30-20230313175200-Infovarius-20230310185700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q28122896" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q28122896-20230307123700">Q28122896</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Q28122896">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> The rural municipalities in Estonia were not abolished in 2017, many of those were just merged but many also continued entirely undisturbed existence. Please don't reinsert that claim. It would actually be more helpful if you could find a nice way to describe that this type of municipality was abolished in 1950 and reestablished/restored in 1991 - it can't be just via inception and abolishment statements, there must be a better solution. --<a href="/wiki/User:Ehitaja" title="User:Ehitaja">Ehitaja</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ehitaja" title="User talk:Ehitaja">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ehitaja-20230307123700-Q28122896" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 7 March 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Discarded_change_on_Coltrane's_Wikidata_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discarded_change_on_Coltrane's_Wikidata_page-20230309225700">Discarded change on Coltrane's Wikidata page</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Discarded change on Coltrane's Wikidata page">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello, You have discarded my removal of Giant Step work by Coltrane that duplicated.. with comment 'seems really famous' Yes ideed, but not to the point of having it duplicated! Thanks for discarding that work again for me. <a href="/wiki/User:Hum6hum4" title="User:Hum6hum4">Hum6hum4</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hum6hum4" title="User talk:Hum6hum4">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Hum6hum4-20230309225700-Discarded_change_on_Coltrane's_Wikidata_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 9 March 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Oh. @<a href="/wiki/User:Hum6hum4" title="User:Hum6hum4"><bdi>Hum6hum4</bdi></a>: I didn't notice... Actually not a real duplicate: a composition and an album. But probably one of them is enough. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230310190100-Hum6hum4-20230309225700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 10 March 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="De-facto" data-mw-thread-id="h-De-facto-20230322073400">De-facto</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: De-facto">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello. Problem with <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P1397#"Item_государство_(P17)_one_of_novalue,_Россия_(Q159)"_violations" title="Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P1397">this list</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%88%D1%8A%D0%B0%D0%BB&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Машъал (page does not exist)">Машъал</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%88%D1%8A%D0%B0%D0%BB" title="User talk:Машъал">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Машъал-20230322073400-De-facto" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:34, 22 March 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Это ко мне вопрос? Я как раз восстанавливал Россию где-то. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230323134000-Машъал-20230322073400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Я как раз про то же, на неделе набежал участник и поудалял Россию из сотен элементов Крыма, начавших выпадать в этот список. Сейчас его <a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B7" title="User talk:Валерий з">ограничили</a>. Но проблема системная, а ошибки и вандализм можно отслеживать по списку. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%88%D1%8A%D0%B0%D0%BB&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Машъал (page does not exist)">Машъал</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%88%D1%8A%D0%B0%D0%BB" title="User talk:Машъал">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Машъал-20230323140400-Infovarius-20230323134000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 23 March 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Smettila" data-mw-thread-id="h-Smettila-20230330140000">Smettila</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Smettila">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Smettila di annullare l'inserimento su <a href="/w/index.php?title=Islom_Karimov&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Islom Karimov (page does not exist)">Islom Karimov</a>, il termine dittatore si può usare nella descrizione della voce. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A01:E11:5400:8390:9139:5150:481E:9D7" title="Special:Contributions/2A01:E11:5400:8390:9139:5150:481E:9D7">2A01:E11:5400:8390:9139:5150:481E:9D7</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-2A01:E11:5400:8390:9139:5150:481E:9D7-20230330140000-Smettila" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 30 March 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Это ненейтрально и спорно, <a href="/wiki/Q4663389" title="Q4663389">особенно для ныне живущих</a>. Оценкам не место в описании. Хотите - добавьте утверждение и подтвердите его <a href="/wiki/Q4663914" title="Q4663914">авторитетными источниками</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230331082700-2A01:E11:5400:8390:9139:5150:481E:9D7-20230330140000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:27, 31 March 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Киевские_митрополиты" data-mw-thread-id="h-Киевские_митрополиты-20230330142300">Киевские митрополиты</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Киевские митрополиты">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Добрый день, я планирую эту статью, как обзорную, по Митрополитам Киевским во временном промежутке 1686-1918 гг. По моему мнению языковые ссылки были установлены сооветственно. Пожалуйста, посмотрите внимательнее по языковым ссылкам. Аналог страницы в рувике мне неизвестен. <a href="/wiki/User:AlexPin" title="User:AlexPin">AlexPin</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AlexPin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:AlexPin (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-AlexPin-20230330142300-Киевские_митрополиты" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:23, 30 March 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:AlexPin" title="User:AlexPin"><bdi>AlexPin</bdi></a>: Хочется, чтобы ссылки соответствовали (прямо эквивалентно) теме элемента. А Митрополия!=Митрополит (в Викиданных организация и руководитель д.б. в разных элементах). А где вы хотите обзорную сделать? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230331083100-AlexPin-20230330142300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Это и будет обзорная, все остальные статьи по Киевской митрополии начиная с X века существуют, и связаны с соответствующими аналогами в других языковых проектах. Также имеются страницы, более фокусно раскрывающие тему, такие например как <a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B2_%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D0%BA%D0%BD%D1%8F%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5_%D0%9B%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Православие в Великом княжестве Литовском (page does not exist)">Православие в Великом княжестве Литовском</a>, или обзорно-специализированные, такие как <a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82_%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B8_%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%8F_%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B8&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Митрополит Киевский и всея Руси (page does not exist)">Митрополит Киевский и всея Руси</a>. А эта статья была создана автором как описательная, но охватывавшая не весь период, а лишь начиная с 1458 года. Так и провисела никому не нужная 11 лет. Я случайно на неё наткнулся, и озадачился, что с ней делать? Решение пришло как-то само собой, в ру-вики нет описательной статьи по митрополитам Киевским в период с 1686 года, момента смены юрисдикции митрополии, до 1918 года, когда уже почти ликвидированная митрополия обрела статус самостоятельной церкви в составе Московского патриархата.</dd> <dd>Не соответствующие тематике вставки я перенёс в специальные статьи, ничего не пропало, а из тех статей, весь лишний материал перенёс сюда, В общем навёл порядок, более менее. Осталось дополнить статью, оформить, и улучшить структуру. Да, и переименовать. Но языковые ссылки я установил сразу, чтобы привлечь больше заинтересованных участников, у меня не хватает времени на всё это. Так, что прошу Вас вернуть их обратно, если для Вас это не принципиальный какой-то вопрос. <a href="/wiki/User:AlexPin" title="User:AlexPin">AlexPin</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AlexPin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:AlexPin (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-AlexPin-20230331091900-Infovarius-20230331083100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:19, 31 March 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Babkin" data-mw-thread-id="h-Babkin-20230406124900">Babkin</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Babkin">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4074470&diff=1869539797&oldid=">[1]</a> Hello, nothing strange there, the P361 property from Wikidata is being used in a <a href="https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:%D0%9C%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82" class="extiw" title="uk:Шаблон:Музикант">Musician</a> infobox. <a href="/wiki/User:Goo3" title="User:Goo3">Goo3</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Goo3" title="User talk:Goo3">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Goo3-20230406124900-Babkin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 6 April 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sorry, it was half-right edit. Of course it is a part of the band. But being "a part of an album" is indeed strange. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230407124900-Goo3-20230406124900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 7 April 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="clitoris_(Q873072)" data-mw-thread-id="h-clitoris_(Q873072)-20230410145200"><a href="/wiki/Q873072" title="Q873072">clitoris (Q873072)</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: clitoris (Q873072)">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> I was moving some of the statements to <a href="/wiki/Q117460175" title="Q117460175">human clitoris (Q117460175)</a> considering we already have other similar items <a href="/wiki/User:Trade" title="User:Trade">Trade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trade" title="User talk:Trade">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Trade-20230410145200-clitoris_(Q873072)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 10 April 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ah, ok. I move back. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230412144300-Trade-20230410145200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:43, 12 April 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Label/метка" data-mw-thread-id="h-Label/метка-20230411134500">Label/метка</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Label/метка">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Коллега, обращаюсь не сколько по отменённой вами <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4451494&diff=1872489563&oldid=1872026980">правке</a>, сколько ради принципа наименования меток, лучше обеспечивающего связи между викиданными и статьями в Русской ВП. По моему опыту, целесообразно, когда первая из меток в точности соответствует названию статьи в русской ВП, в данном случае — «Тараканище (мультфильм, 1927)». Остальные: Тараканище, Тараканище (мультфильм), Тараканище (1927) и т. д. — могут быть размещены столбиком в колонке «Также известно как». Это прежде всего удобно для викификации, посколько искомое название можно сразу скопировать из «шапки», а не проматывать для этого в конец страницы, где оно отображено в ряду других языковых проектов ВП. Главное, это не притиворечит <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Label/ru">правилу нименования меток</a>: <pre>В большинстве случаев метка — это заголовок соответствующей статьи русской Википедии или вариант этого заголовка. </pre> Понятие «лишнее» в названии меток не существует (на то и существует — альтернатива). Подытоживая, хочу отметить, что для поиска внутри Викиданных не имеет значения какое из названий стоит первым, а какие помещены в колонку синонимов. Для удобства же работы с русской ВП первым полезно иметь соответствующее названию конкретной статьи. Вроде ничего крамольного, хотел бы услышать ваши доводы-аргументы. - <a href="/wiki/User:Gerarus" title="User:Gerarus">Gerarus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerarus" title="User talk:Gerarus">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Gerarus-20230411134500-Label/метка" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>В русской справке много чего не хватает. Смотрите лучше <a href="/wiki/Help:Label" title="Help:Label">Help:Label</a> или <a href="/w/index.php?title=Help:Label/General_principles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Help:Label/General principles (page does not exist)">Help:Label/General principles</a>. В частности: "Disambiguation information belongs in the description" и "Метки могут быть неоднозначными". Это если о "правилах". А дух этого правила в том, что метки элементов предназначены для использования "внутри предложения" как название некоторой сущности и любые технические моменты (напр. уточнения) в этом смысле излишни. И при этом, название статьи в Википедии не может быть первичным, ибо (для Викиданных) Википедия не главнее, например, Викитеки или Викицитатника. А для поиска да, синонима достаточно. P.S. Разве в таблицах ВП где-то нужно именно с уточнениями? Отображаться всё равно ведь без него. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230412151500-Gerarus-20230411134500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 12 April 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""looks_intolerant"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"looks_intolerant"-20230416203200">"looks intolerant"</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: "looks intolerant"">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> ?? <a href="/wiki/User:Trade" title="User:Trade">Trade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trade" title="User talk:Trade">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Trade-20230416203200-"looks_intolerant"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 16 April 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Trade" title="User:Trade"><bdi>Trade</bdi></a>: I have a long edit history... Can you be more specific? <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230429203200-Trade-20230416203200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 29 April 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Q207959" title="Q207959">androgyny (Q207959)</a>--<a href="/wiki/User:Trade" title="User:Trade">Trade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trade" title="User talk:Trade">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Trade-20230429215300-Infovarius-20230429203200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 29 April 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>"Androgynous Hotties" are you sure it's neutral? Looks like objectivisation. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230501195600-Trade-20230429215300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 1 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Did not found anything about that in Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. <a href="/wiki/User:Trade" title="User:Trade">Trade</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trade" title="User talk:Trade">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Trade-20230507174400-Infovarius-20230501195600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 7 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ремейки" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ремейки-20230428162900">Ремейки</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Ремейки">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Здравствуйте, в 2020 году вы создали <a href="/wiki/Q100699786" class="mw-redirect" title="Q100699786">Q100699786</a> в противовес <a href="/wiki/Q31235" title="Q31235">Q31235</a>. Но по-моему и там, и там содержание статей про одно и то же. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sabunero&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sabunero (page does not exist)">Sabunero</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sabunero" title="User talk:Sabunero">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Sabunero-20230428162900-Ремейки" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 28 April 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Почему же? Например, есть ещё <a href="/wiki/Q4393107" title="Q4393107">ремейк игры</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230429203000-Sabunero-20230428162900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 29 April 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Предупреждение" data-mw-thread-id="h-Предупреждение-20230507201900">Предупреждение</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Предупреждение">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Добрый вечер, коллега. Я Вас уже некоторое время назад <a href="#Предупреждение:_постоянные_и_необоснованные_отмены_правок">просил прекратить необоснованные отмены</a>, но Вы почему-то продолжаете их делать. <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1891285769" title="Special:Diff/1891285769">Вот эта</a> Ваша очередная необоснованная ничем отмена правки да ещё и с использованием инструмента отката, является ярким примером Ваших совершенно непонятных и неконструктивных правок. Это переходит все границы, поэтому я Вас предупреждаю, что при повторном подобном откате правки, будет подан соответствующий запрос о снятии с Вас флага откатывающего. Судя по тому, как Вы им распоряжаетесь можно сказать, что Вам этот флаг не нужен и крайне противопоказан раз Вы его применяете совершенно не по назначению. P.S. Ваша правка <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1891285769" title="Special:Diff/1891285769">здесь</a> некоректна, поскольку: <ol><li>Вы вернули путём отката (!) <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> >> <a href="/wiki/Q11410" title="Q11410">game (Q11410)</a>, что не правильно.</li> <li>Там стоит <a href="/wiki/Property:P31#P31$7f3ec2cd-4c8d-e95a-32ba-f8a8680e949c" title="Property:P31">ограничение</a>, которое явно даёт понять, что следует использовать иной элемент для <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a>. Вы полностью проигнорировали это ограничение и предпочли, как всегда (чему я не удивлён), нажать на откат, даже не разобравшись в ситуации... Это совершенно недопустимо!</li></ol> С уважением <a href="/wiki/User:Kirilloparma" title="User:Kirilloparma">Kirilloparma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kirilloparma" title="User talk:Kirilloparma">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Kirilloparma-20230507201900-Предупреждение" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 7 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kirilloparma" title="User:Kirilloparma"><bdi>Kirilloparma</bdi></a>:, прошу прощения, здесь моя правка действительно ошибочна. Причина, скорее всего, в том, что я увидел <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q63352&diff=1891016661&oldid=1858047791&diffmode=source">очевидно неправильный дифф</a> и нажал на откат, не подумав, что это не правки одного участника (в коем случае откат не сработал). Ну errare humanum est, я признаю же. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230509210500-Kirilloparma-20230507201900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 9 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q7368_and_Q58697" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q7368_and_Q58697-20230512213400"><a href="/wiki/Q7368" title="Q7368">Q7368</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q58697" title="Q58697">Q58697</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Q7368 and Q58697">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi, the change I made was a clumsy attempt to solve a redirect inversion problem: I was trying to leave the entry with binomial nomenclature as the main page. Since our administrators have been absent for some time, I was hoping to be able to resolve via wikidata. Do you have any suggestions for me? Thanks anyway for reverting to the previous version, the most important thing is to stay connected to the wikidata system! <a href="/wiki/User:Ciaurlec" title="User:Ciaurlec">Ciaurlec</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ciaurlec" title="User talk:Ciaurlec">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ciaurlec-20230512213400-Q7368_and_Q58697" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>What do you want? To have links to both items? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230514193300-Ciaurlec-20230512213400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:33, 14 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Explanation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Explanation-20230517183300">Explanation</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Explanation">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Let me explain you: <ol><li>There are over 1200 cities and towns in Iran, and virtually all of them have namesake districts, countries or provinces. Multiplying articles, categories and namesakes, there can be over 10,000 "different from" combinations. That's truly redundant.</li> <li>Every single item of city, district, county and province already have such namesakes, like Qazvin being capital of Qazvin County and Qazvin Province, and also other way around.</li> <li>There are thousands of similar examples, like New York City and New York (state), Moscow and Moscow Oblast, and nowhere "different from" is used.</li></ol> That's the reason I removed it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Orijentolog" title="User:Orijentolog">Orijentolog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Orijentolog" title="User talk:Orijentolog">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Orijentolog-20230517183300-Explanation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 17 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Regarding_metaclasses_of_chemical_entities" data-mw-thread-id="h-Regarding_metaclasses_of_chemical_entities-20230525210200">Regarding metaclasses of chemical entities</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Regarding metaclasses of chemical entities">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> In short: right now I'm trying to organise and fix classes and metaclasses of chemical entities, which was discussed in general in Wikiproject Chemistry. Metaclasses such as 'group of chemical compounds', 'group of ions', 'group of ...' proved to do more harm than good. Now the aim is to have <a href="/wiki/Q113145171" title="Q113145171">type of chemical entity (Q113145171)</a> as a metaclass of all structurally/isotopically defined chemical entities (chemical entity =/= chemical compound, i.e. chemical entity includes compounds, ions, radicals etc.) and and a few metaclasses for e.g. (a) structural classes of chemical entities, (b) groups of chemical entities, (c) groups of isomers. Distinction between specific chemical entities on a metaclass level ('chemical compounds' vs 'ion' vs. ... or between 'stereoisomers' and 'enantiomers') would make it more difficult to find the proper set of items using e.g. sparql. This distinction (e.g. compound vs ion) would now be made using chemical classification (P279). It will be easier to keep this separation (compounds/ions/...) in one property than in two, especially since so far the separation has been quite inconsistently applied to items. I would also ask you to write to me first before you revert any of my changes. I've made about 1.5M edits regarding the above topic recently (and I'm probably not even halfway there) and individual reverts of my edits are not advisable as they will probably go unnoticed. <a href="/wiki/User:Wostr" title="User:Wostr">Wostr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wostr" title="User talk:Wostr">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Wostr-20230525210200-Regarding_metaclasses_of_chemical_entities" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 25 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Неожиданная_просьба" data-mw-thread-id="h-Неожиданная_просьба-20230526165100">Неожиданная просьба</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Неожиданная просьба">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Преамбула: когда я в очередной раз вернулся к редактированию, то дал зарок на создавать здесь элементов — слишком много их насоздавали, но так получилось, что новые элементы-контейнеры нужны, чтобы "разгрузить" культуру Франции. Сможете помочь, создав: культура Новой Аквитании2, культура О-де-Франс, культура Овернь — Рона — Альпы, культура Окситании? Не путать с культурой Новой Аквитании (переделанной из культуры Аквитании (старой) и окситанская культура (межгосударственного региона). <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User:Ыфь77">Ыфь77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User talk:Ыфь77">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ыфь77-20230526165100-Неожиданная_просьба" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Оставим в стороне вопрос, получится ли реально разделить принадлежность французских вещей к культуре разных регионов. Но почему 2 Новые Аквитании? Две культуры Окситании? В чём разница? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230527222800-Ыфь77-20230526165100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:28, 27 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>а) Старую Новую Аквитанию я верну в состояние до моих правок согласно французской интервике, к упразднённому фр. региону Аквитания (Q1179), а новая Новая Аквитания будет соответствовать действующему фр. региону (Q18678082). б) Есть Окситания — культурный и исторический регион (Q104285), он же — страна-Ок с языками ок, которому сейчас соответствует элемент окситанская культура, занимает территорию юга Франции, северо-запада Италии и кусочка Испании (см. карту в элементе) и есть действующий фр. регион (Q18678265), намного меньший исторического региона. Сами французы, чтобы не перепутать, последний называют именно регионом Окситанией. --<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User:Ыфь77">Ыфь77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User talk:Ыфь77">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ыфь77-20230528083400-Infovarius-20230527222800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Разве от изменения администрации культура меняется? Вы сможете разделить культуру "старой Новой Аквитании" и "новой Новой Аквитании"? Мне кажется, вам лучше обсудить эти вещи на французском форуме. У меня нет уверенности в нужности новых элементов. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230528193400-Ыфь77-20230528083400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ещё как: Новая Аквитания на 2 старых региона Франции больше, следовательно, департаментов у неё больше и объектов культуры из них — тоже. Категории почему-то сделали для обоих вариантов, для Аквитаний: Q7814679 и Q27037587, для Окситаний: Q9653536 и Q9653118. --<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User:Ыфь77">Ыфь77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User talk:Ыфь77">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ыфь77-20230528202500-Infovarius-20230528193400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:25, 28 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sitelink_in_Australopithecine_/_Австралопитецина" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sitelink_in_Australopithecine_/_Австралопитецина-20230528081000">Sitelink in Australopithecine / Австралопитецина</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Sitelink in Australopithecine / Австралопитецина">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Добрый день! Почему вы сделали <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q511893&diff=prev&oldid=1903445739">эту правку</a>? Теперь в статье <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecine">Australopithecine</a> нет ссылки на <a class="external text" href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Австралопитецина">русскую версию статьи</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ilovelisa" title="User:Ilovelisa">Ilovelisa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ilovelisa" title="User talk:Ilovelisa">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ilovelisa-20230528081000-Sitelink_in_Australopithecine_/_Австралопитецина" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:10, 28 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ilovelisa" title="User:Ilovelisa"><bdi>Ilovelisa</bdi></a>: привет. Зато в <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Hominina" class="extiw" title="w:en:Hominina">w:en:Hominina</a> есть ссылка на <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ru:%D0%A5%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0" class="extiw" title="w:ru:Хоминина">w:ru:Хоминина</a>. Кстати, ссылку между австралопитецинами тоже добавил. Вообще, запутанная ситуация, не пойму, в чём разница между этими двумя подтрибами... --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230528194000-Ilovelisa-20230528081000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Спасибо, именно этого я хотел от wikidata добиться, но т.к. я здесь новичок, мне не удавалось сделать "intentional sitelink to redirect".</dd> <dd>Что касается разницы, беглый поиск ничего не даёт, но, предварительно, по содержимому нескольких статей и ответу chat Bing можно предположить следующее:</dd> <dd>"No, they are not synonyms. Australopithecina is a subtribe within the tribe Hominini, while Hominina refers to humans and is usually held to have emerged within the Australopithecina"</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Ilovelisa" title="User:Ilovelisa">Ilovelisa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ilovelisa" title="User talk:Ilovelisa">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ilovelisa-20230529131700-Infovarius-20230528194000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:17, 29 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="by_club_or_team" data-mw-thread-id="h-by_club_or_team-20230529130200">by club or team</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: by club or team">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q115166616" title="Q115166616">Q115166616</a>→Category:Sports competitors by club or team</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q7223251" title="Q7223251">Q7223251</a>→Category:Sportspeople by club or team</li> <li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_15#Category:Sports_clubs" class="extiw" title="en:Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 15">en:Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023 May 15#Category:Sports clubs</a></li></ul> <a href="/wiki/User:%E5%AF%92%E5%90%89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:寒吉">寒吉</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E5%AF%92%E5%90%89" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:寒吉">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-寒吉-20230529130200-by_club_or_team" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:02, 29 May 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:%E5%AF%92%E5%90%89" class="mw-redirect" title="User:寒吉"><bdi>寒吉</bdi></a>: "club" and "team" are different terms and ruwiki uses this distinction. So "<a href="/wiki/Q115166616" title="Q115166616">Q115166616</a>→Category:Sports competitors by club" and "<a href="/wiki/Q118970454" title="Q118970454">Q118970454</a>→Category:Sports competitors by team". --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230603205300-寒吉-20230529130200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 3 June 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wrong_merger" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wrong_merger-20230605162400">Wrong merger</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Wrong merger">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello. It seems that <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6191490&diff=prev&oldid=1867539713">this merger</a> was wrong. Pre-merger <a href="/wiki/Q6191490" title="Q6191490">jiang (Q6191490)</a> was about a group of military ranks using Chinese word "jiang" (as can be seen in enwiki and frwiki pages, it's not only about ranks in PLA but also in Taiwan), meanwhile <a href="/wiki/Q10872929" title="Q10872929">Shang Jiang (Q10872929)</a> was about a certain rank of Shang-jiang (генерал-полковник НОАК) in PLA. So, I think <a href="/wiki/Q10872929" title="Q10872929">Shang Jiang (Q10872929)</a> (генерал-полковник НОАК) should be restored as it is not the same as <a href="/wiki/Q6191490" title="Q6191490">jiang (Q6191490)</a>, but one of those (a "subclass of"?) "-jiang" ranks. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/83.29.190.36" title="Special:Contributions/83.29.190.36">83.29.190.36</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-83.29.190.36-20230605162400-Wrong_merger" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 5 June 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ялта" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ялта-20230608214800">Ялта</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Ялта">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Украина как страна указывалась дважды в <a href="/wiki/Q128499" title="Q128499">Yalta (Q128499)</a>, соответственно, повторение было мное удалено. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B7&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Валерий з (page does not exist)">Валерий з</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B7" title="User talk:Валерий з">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Валерий_з-20230608214800-Ялта" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 8 June 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B7&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Валерий з (page does not exist)"><bdi>Валерий з</bdi></a>: это же было не зря! Типа страна=Украина до 2014 года безусловно, а после "оспаривается Россией". Как это по-другому указать? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230620211200-Валерий_з-20230608214800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Квалификатор об оспариваемом статусе Россией был мною добавлен. Однако с точки зрения международного права и Украины, события 2014 года не повлияли на статус объектов Крыма, иначе получается, что это какой-то новый суверенитет.</dd> <dd>Аннексия/присоединение Крыма обозначена самим появлением России в перечне стран и указанием года начала владения и управления. А взаимные претензии, в принципе, касаются суверенитета, а не изменений с какого-то конкретного года, потому что так можно и 90-е вспоминать. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B7&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Валерий з (page does not exist)">Валерий з</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B7" title="User talk:Валерий з">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Валерий_з-20230621004900-Infovarius-20230620211200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 21 June 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Нет, вы наверное не поняли. Сейчас утверждения показывают, как будто Россия оспаривает, что Ялта была украинской с 1991 года, что неправда. А разделение на 2 значения с разными квалификаторами ещё не означает (для всех точек зрения), что 2014 повлиял на все точки зрения. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230626083700-Infovarius-20230620211200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:37, 26 June 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Фурсенко" data-mw-thread-id="h-Фурсенко-20230619141300">Фурсенко</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Фурсенко">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> хочешь дополнить - дополняй. но Иванов - русская фамилия, не украинская, а Фурсенко - украинская, а не русская. А Іванов - украинская форма русской фамилии. <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%91%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%87-%D0%9B%D1%8C%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B2" title="User:Бучач-Львів">Бучач-Львів</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%91%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%87-%D0%9B%D1%8C%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B2" title="User talk:Бучач-Львів">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Бучач-Львів-20230619141300-Фурсенко" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>А почему у русских должна быть украинская фамилия? А <a href="/wiki/Q28044436" title="Q28044436">Іван</a> - украинская форма русского имени? Как всё запутанно. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230620205300-Бучач-Львів-20230619141300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 20 June 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Спочатку був Київ, а потім - Москва, Петербург, не треба забувати. так, багато чого переплелося за час російської окупації України. Українці, наприклад, поїхали працювати, наприклад, у Сибір, а совіцьку владу в окупованій Українській Народній Республіці насаджували росіяни. PS. Иванов, Петров, Стоянов - це перш за все болгарські прізвища. --<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%91%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%87-%D0%9B%D1%8C%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B2" title="User:Бучач-Львів">Бучач-Львів</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%91%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%87-%D0%9B%D1%8C%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B2" title="User talk:Бучач-Львів">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Бучач-Львів-20230622132100-Infovarius-20230620205300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 22 June 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>щодо Іван. Наразі і Іван, і Иван - це чоловіче особове ім'я єврейського походження. --<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%91%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%87-%D0%9B%D1%8C%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B2" title="User:Бучач-Львів">Бучач-Львів</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%91%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%87-%D0%9B%D1%8C%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B2" title="User talk:Бучач-Львів">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Бучач-Львів-20230622132300-Infovarius-20230620205300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:23, 22 June 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="жена_Даниила_Александровича" data-mw-thread-id="h-жена_Даниила_Александровича-20230619184400"><a href="/wiki/Q12086698" title="Q12086698">жена Даниила Александровича</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: жена Даниила Александровича">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Здравствуйте. Имя Агриппина упоминается в Ростовском соборном синодике, опубликованном Коневым С. В. и в <a href="/wiki/Q2498180" title="Q2498180">Православной энциклопедии</a> в статье про Даниила Александровича, написанной <a href="/wiki/Q4491197" title="Q4491197">Флорей Б. Н.</a> и Чугреевой Н. Н. Имя Мария упоминается <a href="/wiki/Q4498529" title="Q4498529">Хмыровым М. Д.</a>, а <a href="/wiki/Q4145898" title="Q4145898">Горский А. А.</a> предполагает, что жена <a href="/wiki/Q295186" title="Q295186">Даниила Александровича</a> является дочкой <a href="/wiki/Q156357" title="Q156357">Льва Даниловича</a> и <a href="/wiki/Q737328" title="Q737328">Констанции Венгерской</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q30345893" title="Q30345893">Морозова Л. Е.</a> предполагает, что она является дочкой <a href="/wiki/Q19692705" title="Q19692705">Ярослава Романовича</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q6832423" title="Q6832423">Майкл Маклаган</a> предполагает, что она является <a href="/wiki/Q75394645" title="Q75394645">Василисой Дмитриевной</a>, Кюнтцель В. В. предполагает, что она является родственницей <a href="/wiki/Q4381640" title="Q4381640">Протасия Фёдоровичча</a>, а <a href="/wiki/Q4301116" title="Q4301116">Молчанов А. А.</a> данное предположение считает совершенно необоснованным, а какой историк приводит предположение, что она является дочкой <a href="/wiki/Q4139563" title="Q4139563">Глеба Васильковича</a>? — <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9-Val&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Валерий-Val (page does not exist)">Валерий-Val</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9-Val&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Валерий-Val (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Валерий-Val-20230619184400-жена_Даниила_Александровича" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 19 June 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Я по указанному сайту только... А вы можете добавить всю указанную информацию в соответствующем виде (возможно, придётся создать элементы для книг)? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230620211400-Валерий-Val-20230619184400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lover_(in_general),_male_and_female_lover" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lover_(in_general),_male_and_female_lover-20230626154500">Lover (in general), male and female lover</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Lover (in general), male and female lover">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi Infovarius, I thought it would be most correct to use <a href="/wiki/Q16937917" title="Q16937917">male lover (Q16937917)</a> for the male lover because before <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q16937917&diff=514610842&oldid=500352527">this change</a> it was only used in the male meaning. The English description has IMHO no priority over other languages. Kind regards <a href="/wiki/User:U._M._Owen" title="User:U. M. Owen">U. M. Owen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:U._M._Owen" title="User talk:U. M. Owen">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-U._M._Owen-20230626154500-Lover_(in_general),_male_and_female_lover" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 26 June 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>For me, <a href="/wiki/Q16937917" title="Q16937917">male lover (Q16937917)</a> is generally loving person (or male, we can choose), while <a href="/wiki/Q12309880" title="Q12309880">paramour (Q12309880)</a> is person commiting adulter (illegal sex, with married partner). --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230703092200-U._M._Owen-20230626154500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:22, 3 July 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Okay, <a href="/wiki/Q12309880" title="Q12309880">paramour (Q12309880)</a> had no negative <a href="/wiki/Q661062" title="Q661062">connotation (Q661062)</a> in my language. Are you sure that (since people ought to be married in earlier times) most languages make such a difference?--<a href="/wiki/User:U._M._Owen" title="User:U. M. Owen">U. M. Owen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:U._M._Owen" title="User talk:U. M. Owen">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-U._M._Owen-20230703092400-Infovarius-20230703092200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:24, 3 July 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q3326454,_Merging_clusters_of_articles_in_different_languages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q3326454,_Merging_clusters_of_articles_in_different_languages-20230702112200">Q3326454, Merging clusters of articles in different languages</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Q3326454, Merging clusters of articles in different languages">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> First: Thanks for having a look at Q3326454 and reverting the changes I made! I have encountered problems while trying to merge <a href="/wiki/Q3326454" title="Q3326454">Q3326454</a> with <a href="/wiki/Q264251" title="Q264251">Q264251</a>. Both clusters of languages deal with the same topic (anatomical terms of motion) and I am neither able to add languge links in the old vector legacy (2010) skin (probably due to the fact, that both object are already clusters of more than one language) nor edit language links in the new Vector (2022) skin. Merging the articles with the MergeItems tool and the MergeLexemes tool resultet only in error messages. What am I doing wrong and how to solve this problem in the future? (I have already encountered this problem very often, so I hope that I will be able to contribute better to wikipedia in the future if someone explained me how address that issue ;) ) Thanks in advance! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mikulicz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mikulicz (page does not exist)">Mikulicz</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Mikulicz-20230702112200-Q3326454,_Merging_clusters_of_articles_in_different_languages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, the problem in Japanese Wikipedia: there are 2 articles <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8B%95%E4%BD%9C" class="extiw" title="ja:動作">ja:動作</a> and <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%A7%A3%E5%89%96%E5%AD%A6%E3%81%AB%E3%81%8A%E3%81%91%E3%82%8B%E9%81%8B%E5%8B%95%E3%81%AE%E8%A1%A8%E7%8F%BE" class="extiw" title="ja:解剖学における運動の表現">ja:解剖学における運動の表現</a>. At first you should merge them, then items. Secondly, we have the link (in qualifier) in <a href="/wiki/Q264251" title="Q264251">Q264251</a> to <a href="/wiki/Q3326454" title="Q3326454">Q3326454</a> showing that these are intentionally 2 different items (one is list, the other is class). --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230703092800-Mikulicz-20230702112200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:28, 3 July 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you answering! But I didn't really understand Your suggestion, probably cause I am quite new to the wikidata-project. So what do I need to do, that e.g. the articles <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomical_terms_of_motion">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomical_terms_of_motion</a> and <a class="external free" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bewegung_(Anatomie)">https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bewegung_(Anatomie)</a> have direct links to each other in the languages-field in wikipedia? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mikulicz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mikulicz (page does not exist)">Mikulicz</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mikulicz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Mikulicz (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Mikulicz-20230704105800-Infovarius-20230703092800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q12397773" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q12397773-20230706171300"><a href="/wiki/Q12397773" title="Q12397773">Q12397773</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Q12397773">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> В чём смысл разрушать интервики? Из статьи <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Irina" class="extiw" title="w:en:Irina">w:en:Irina</a> отчётливо видно, статья о русском имени: «Irina (Cyrillic: Ирина) … commonly borne by followers of the Eastern Orthodox Church … mostly used in countries within the Commonwealth of Independent States … Pronunciation Russian: [ɪˈrʲinə] … Diminutive forms in Slavic languages include Ira, Irinka, Irinushka …» Почему ты разрушаешь интервики и ликвидировал связь между этой статьёй и <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ru:%D0%98%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0" class="extiw" title="w:ru:Ирина">w:ru:Ирина</a>? Очевиднее некуда, это эти статьи об одном и том же предмете и между ними обязательно должен быть интервики-переход. ~ <a href="/wiki/User:STARSHIP_TROOPER" title="User:STARSHIP TROOPER">Starship Trooper</a> ~ <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-STARSHIP_TROOPER-20230706171300-Q12397773" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 6 July 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>С именами всё сложно - обсуждайте лучше на <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Names" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Names">Wikidata:WikiProject Names</a>. Даже "кириллическая" Ирина теперь может быть не одна - могу создать отдельно украинское имя и тогда куда объединять en:Irina? Пока статус-кво в этой области Викиданных, что имена с разным написанием (в т.ч. в разных письменностях) д.б. в разных элементах. С интервиками действительно плоховато, в крайнем случае можно соединить с помощью перенаправлений, но и там на самом деле будут проблемы, если подумать. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230707195100-STARSHIP_TROOPER-20230706171300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:51, 7 July 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Германия" data-mw-thread-id="h-Германия-20230715232700">Германия</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Германия">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Коллега, вас <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5#Хенниг,_Клаус" class="extiw" title="ru:Википедия:Форум/Викиданные">там</a> пинговали, но вы не пришли, поэтому напишу тут, поскольку вопрос по ВД. Речь об <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q7318&diff=1932412685&oldid=1932015366">этой правке</a> - и о том, что при действующем положении вещей в статье <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3,_%D0%9A%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%83%D1%81" class="extiw" title="ru:Хенниг, Клаус">ru:Хенниг, Клаус</a> (вряд ли только в ней) у товарища в карточке в географической цепочке три раза подряд указана "Германия", причем разная: Нацистская Германия => Германский Рейх => Германия. Как представляется нам всем, так это работать не должно, потому что Нацистская Германия относится к Германскому Рейху, а тот к Германии не как часть (территориальная) к целому, а как этап (хронологический) к более длительному периоду. Возможно, коллега, чью правку вы отменили, решил эту проблему неверным путем - но тогда хотелось бы, чтобы вы посоветовали верный. <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE" title="User:Андрей Романенко">Андрей Романенко</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE" title="User talk:Андрей Романенко">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Андрей_Романенко-20230715232700-Германия" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 15 July 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Надо определиться, что это всё-таки - гос-во или период? Если период, то так и указывать свойствами. Кстати, Третий Рейх ещё можно воспринимать как вообще просто термин. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230719041900-Андрей_Романенко-20230715232700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:19, 19 July 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Вы меня извините, но я не до конца понимаю ваш ответ. В карточке в ру.вики (или любой другой) не должно быть периодов - только иерархия административно-территориальных единиц. Поэтому в статье <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3,_%D0%9A%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%83%D1%81" class="extiw" title="ru:Хенниг, Клаус">ru:Хенниг, Клаус</a> в карточке после "Свободное государство Пруссия" должно идти "Германия" один раз. Это та данность, от которой надо плясать, как я это понимаю. Поскольку сейчас это не так - значит, тут, на Викиданных, что-то сделано неправильно. Я не очень улавливаю, что именно, - то, что вы откатили, или что-либо иное. И предполагаю, что, возможно, вы в этом разбираетесь лучше меня, поэтому спрашиваю. <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE" title="User:Андрей Романенко">Андрей Романенко</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE" title="User talk:Андрей Романенко">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Андрей_Романенко-20230719213200-Infovarius-20230719041900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Сейчас вроде только одна отображается. Вероятно, после того, как я расставил ранги на сущность элемента <a href="/wiki/Q7318" title="Q7318">Q7318</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230728154100-Андрей_Романенко-20230719213200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 28 July 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Контейнер_для_искусств_по_этнической_группе" data-mw-thread-id="h-Контейнер_для_искусств_по_этнической_групп-20230731114900"><span id=".D0.9A.D0.BE.D0.BD.D1.82.D0.B5.D0.B9.D0.BD.D0.B5.D1.80_.D0.B4.D0.BB.D1.8F_.D0.B8.D1.81.D0.BA.D1.83.D1.81.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B2_.D0.BF.D0.BE_.D1.8D.D1.82.D0.BD.D0.B8.D1.87.D0.B5.D1.81.D0.BA.D0.BE.D0.B9_.D0.B3.D1.80.D1.83.D0.BF.D0.BF.D0.B5">Контейнер для искусств по этнической группе</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Контейнер для искусств по этнической группе">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Доброго времени суток. Нужна консультация по ситуации с элементами метакласса искусство по этнической группе (Q120400477). На время подписи у него около 50 непосредственных включений (например, еврейское искусство (Q12404052)), являющихся именно классами ВД, так как могут включать не только одноимённые статьи, но и как отдельные элементы-предметы (произведения искусства), так и другие элементы-классы (музыка конкретного этноса, живопись этноса и т. д.). При выстраивании цепочки надклассов обрыв происходит именно на них: они не обозначены подклассами из-за того, что на естественный надкласс, искусство (Q735), наложен запрет иметь подклассы. Есть вариант решения проблемы: создать элемент-контейнер высшего уровня, который добавить в исключения, а непосредственные включения сделать его подклассами. В принципе, один такой элемент уже есть -- искусство Земли (Q13150034) -- но категорически не хотелось бы в одном элементе иметь подклассами территории и народы -- это разные сущности (хотя в английском языке зачастую смешиваются). Хочу узнать Ваше мнение по 3 вопросам: делать / не делать, как назвать, делать самостоятельным исключением или подклассом к выше указанному? <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User:Ыфь77">Ыфь77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User talk:Ыфь77">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ыфь77-20230731114900-Контейнер_для_искусств_по_этнической_групп" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:49, 31 July 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Как я понял, другого ответа (кроме ошибочной попытки) не будет? <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User:Ыфь77">Ыфь77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User talk:Ыфь77">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ыфь77-20230805155700-Ыфь77-20230731114900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 5 August 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>Я не могу предложить идеального решения, вы, похоже, уже глубже в теме, чем я. Мои мысли: 1) пока можно и смешать территории и народы, ничего страшного в этом не вижу; 2) почему не сделать <a href="/wiki/Q120400477" title="Q120400477">art by ethnic group (Q120400477)</a> надклассом, а не метаклассом? Может, тогда проще иерархию выстроить? 3) соответственно, промежуточный уровень, подкласс <a href="/wiki/Q735" title="Q735">art (Q735)</a>, можно создать, но как именно класс, не метакласс. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230806222700-Ыфь77-20230731114900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:27, 6 August 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>1) Я вижу: мало того, что это разные сущности, так ещё увеличит путаницу, особенно у англоязычных пользователей, которые на уровне языка не различают этнос и гражданство. Пример: для участников рувики слово "французский" -- прежде всего маркер языка и национальности, а маркером государства является что-то-там во Франции, в то время как англофоны прямо в описании элемента пишут, что "французский" = это объект, принадлежащий и национальности, и территории. Если обе сущности (и этническая, и территориальная) будут ещё и подклассами одного элемента, то англофоны вообще не поймут, в чём разница между французской сущностью и сущностью во Франции, и зачем их вообще делить. Надеюсь, Вам не надо на диаграммах объяснять, что это разные множества. 2) Потому что искусство по этнической группе (Q120400477) -- именно метакласс, подкласс-потомок элемента аспект по этнической группе (Q106727146), этакая надстройка над искусством, позволяющая описать одним термином фактические части искусства, выделенные по этническому признаку. Аналогично надеюсь, что разницу между, например, армянской и азербайджанской живописью Вы знаете (или догадываетесь, что она есть). 3) Таки промежуточный уровень и должен быть именно классом, частным случаем Q120400477, который охватывает всё разнообразие этносов Земли от сего момента до времён праматери Евы и её соплеменниц (и соплеменников). Так как учёные-антропологи уверены, что человечество принадлежит к одному виду, а следовательно, развилось из одной популяции, то и искусство всех народов Земли -- именно частный случай Q120400477, потому что развился из одного праискусства. И даже то, что в геноме неафриканцев отметились неандертальцы и денисовцы, можно объяснить внесением элементов ино(под)видового искусства в африканский субстрат. Сравните: искусство Земли (Q13150034) -- частный случай искусства территории, в котором территория равна всей поверхности Земли, и, замечу, этот элемент уже не равен мировому искусству, так как есть кинематограф (даже игровой), созданный на Луны, на МКС, да и на утопленных космических станциях (если мне не изменяет память) кто-то картины писал. --<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User:Ыфь77">Ыфь77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User talk:Ыфь77">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ыфь77-20230807195700-Infovarius-20230806222700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 7 August 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ок, видите - делайте. Самое сложное (и важное) - собрать в первом приближении по нужным классам, а потом подправить иерархию проще будет. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230809200700-Ыфь77-20230807195700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 9 August 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>А на второй и третий вопросы ответить? (И просьба создать 2 пустых элемента (для культуры и искусства), так как у меня добровольный топик-бан на это действие). <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User:Ыфь77">Ыфь77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User talk:Ыфь77">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ыфь77-20230809213100-Infovarius-20230809200700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 9 August 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Не возражаю, но пока так глубоко вникнуть не могу. Распишите немножко схему, и чего не хватает? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230811203000-Ыфь77-20230809213100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 11 August 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>1) Собственно элементов, являющихся частными случаями метаклассов искусство по этнической группе (Q120400477) и культура по этнической группе (Q120870093). 2) Названий элементов на русском языке (у меня есть вариант, но не буду его озвучивать, чтобы не повлиять на Ваше независимое мнение). 3) Наличие связи с элементами искусство Земли (Q13150034) и культура Земли (Q13152690) -- созданные в п. 1 элементы должны быть подклассами этих или не должны? Вроде бы разные сущности, но в тоже время человеческие этносы вне планеты Земля науке не известны. <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User:Ыфь77">Ыфь77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User talk:Ыфь77">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ыфь77-20230811204500-Infovarius-20230811203000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Видно, что эта тема не вызвала у Вас интереса. Что ж, пусть ждёт кто-то-тама, она и сферу моего непосредственного интереса не входит. <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User:Ыфь77">Ыфь77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User talk:Ыфь77">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ыфь77-20230818122000-Ыфь77-20230811204500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 18 August 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="men's_pole_vault_world_record_(Q1136293)" data-mw-thread-id="h-men's_pole_vault_world_record_(Q1136293)-20230828151300">men's pole vault world record (Q1136293)</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: men's pole vault world record (Q1136293)">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Thank you for the <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1136293&oldid=1962653110">revert</a> of my action. I am not familiar with descriptions yet and I didn't understand the description tells about the label and not about the real content of the wikipedia page linked to the label. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wikisquack&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wikisquack (page does not exist)">Wikisquack</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wikisquack&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Wikisquack (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Wikisquack-20230828151300-men's_pole_vault_world_record_(Q1136293)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wikisquack&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wikisquack (page does not exist)"><bdi>Wikisquack</bdi></a>: hello! Actually your description is not so bad and even can be a little better, but usually the more standard is used. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230828215900-Wikisquack-20230828151300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 28 August 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Brazzaville" data-mw-thread-id="h-Brazzaville-20230831184900">Brazzaville</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Brazzaville">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> On the wikidata <a href="/wiki/Q3844" title="Q3844">Q3844</a>, there is an alert on the statement "instance of" with the value "capital city" = (copy-paste of the message) "the value for instance of should not be one of the following: * county seat * state or insular area capital of the United States * state capital in Germany * provincial or territorial capital city in Canada * capital city" So why did you revert my changes ? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yunan973&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yunan973 (page does not exist)">Yunan973</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yunan973&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Yunan973 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Yunan973-20230831184900-Brazzaville" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 31 August 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yunan973&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yunan973 (page does not exist)"><bdi>Yunan973</bdi></a>: Well, probably you are right. I like this value but perhaps it's irrational... --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230901195300-Yunan973-20230831184900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 1 September 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>According to this: <a href="/wiki/Property:P31#P31$02b84af6-4850-050b-2631-3ac7ea48ca02" title="Property:P31">Property:P31#P31$02b84af6-4850-050b-2631-3ac7ea48ca02</a>, we should no longer use the property "instance of" with the value "capital city" but the property "capital of".</dd> <dd>But according to <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Q5119&limit=500">this</a>, there are many "errors" of this kind so one more or less = I will not cancel your revert. Best regards. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yunan973&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yunan973 (page does not exist)">Yunan973</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yunan973&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Yunan973 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Yunan973-20230902160600-Infovarius-20230901195300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 2 September 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="2011_Nobel_Peace_Prize_(Q4622018)" data-mw-thread-id="h-2011_Nobel_Peace_Prize_(Q4622018)-20230901093300"><a href="/wiki/Q4622018" title="Q4622018">2011 Nobel Peace Prize (Q4622018)</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: 2011 Nobel Peace Prize (Q4622018)">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi Infovarius! I removed the property <a href="/wiki/Property:P179" title="Property:P179">part of the series (P179)</a>: <a href="/wiki/Q35637" title="Q35637">Nobel Peace Prize (Q35637)</a>, as the item already had <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a>: <a href="/wiki/Q35637" title="Q35637">Nobel Peace Prize (Q35637)</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Q35637" title="Q35637">Nobel Peace Prize (Q35637)</a> doesn’t seem to match the value-type constraint of <a href="/wiki/Property:P179" title="Property:P179">part of the series (P179)</a>. I’m very new to the Wikidata project, so I’d be keen to hear why you reverted my edit, so that I can hopefully avoid making similar mistakes in the future. All the best :) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:A_smart_kitten&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:A smart kitten (page does not exist)">A smart kitten</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A_smart_kitten" title="User talk:A smart kitten">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-A_smart_kitten-20230901093300-2011_Nobel_Peace_Prize_(Q4622018)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:33, 1 September 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:A_smart_kitten&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:A smart kitten (page does not exist)"><bdi>A smart kitten</bdi></a>: these are 2 alternatives and yes, it's strange to have both. I agree here with you, and change a few from P179 to P31. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230901195100-A_smart_kitten-20230901093300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:51, 1 September 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="w:fi:Tutkielma" data-mw-thread-id="h-w:fi:Tutkielma-20230924200600"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fi:Tutkielma" class="extiw" title="w:fi:Tutkielma">w:fi:Tutkielma</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: w:fi:Tutkielma">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi Infovarius, Google Translate translates this as dissertation, but it may also mean <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/de:Abhandlung" class="extiw" title="wikt:de:Abhandlung">Abhandlung</a>. I am however OK with its current position.--<a href="/wiki/User:U._M._Owen" title="User:U. M. Owen">U. M. Owen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:U._M._Owen" title="User talk:U. M. Owen">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-U._M._Owen-20230924200600-w:fi:Tutkielma" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Honestly I don't quite understand <a href="/wiki/Q114375" title="Q114375">mémoire (Q114375)</a> - all labels in not my native languages just mislead me... --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20230926194400-U._M._Owen-20230924200600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 26 September 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_last_revert" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_last_revert-20231002110000">Your last revert</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Your last revert">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Thanks for reverting me, it was a mistake while reorganizing the items about the <a href="/wiki/Q1408581" title="Q1408581">Festival da Canção (Q1408581)</a> here on Wikidata. <a href="/wiki/User:Sannita" title="User:Sannita">Sannita</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sannita" title="User talk:Sannita">not just another it.wiki sysop</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Sannita-20231002110000-Your_last_revert" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:00, 2 October 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Revert_at_extraterrestrial_vortex_(Q5422262)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Revert_at_extraterrestrial_vortex_(Q5422262)-20231006041300">Revert at <a href="/wiki/Q5422262" title="Q5422262">extraterrestrial vortex (Q5422262)</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: Revert at extraterrestrial vortex (Q5422262)">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> While of course <a href="/wiki/Q5422262" title="Q5422262">extraterrestrial vortex (Q5422262)</a> is a <a href="/wiki/Q1322005" title="Q1322005">natural phenomenon (Q1322005)</a>, it is already a subclass of it through the <a href="/wiki/Q79602" title="Q79602">cyclone (Q79602)</a> tree. — <a href="/wiki/User:Huntster" title="User:Huntster">Huntster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Huntster" title="User talk:Huntster">t</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Huntster" title="Special:EmailUser/Huntster">@</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Huntster" title="Special:Contributions/Huntster">c</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Huntster-20231006041300-Revert_at_extraterrestrial_vortex_(Q5422262)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:13, 6 October 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_current_reverts_on_kanas_are_the_wrong_way" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_current_reverts_on_kanas_are_the_wrong_way-20231022184100">Your current reverts on kanas are the wrong way</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: Your current reverts on kanas are the wrong way">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> You are doing the disunification the wrong way. I made almost all the work needed to separate Hiragana and Katakana (but merge entries for individual characters that are also Unicode characters), you've started restoring the mess. I made all the necessary items for the generic kana, but the wikilinks to Wikipedia are almost all merging both kana forms (+ hentaigana), with only 1 exception in malagasy (articles created by a bot on separate Unicode characters, but without textual contents). If you add entries for generic kanas (independant of the script form), don't add images or stroke orders to them! I've passed a lot of time to check everything. All was correct. In general we currently don't need any wikilinks in Wikidata of generic kanas because they are all named by their hiragana but the content is about all forms. <a href="/wiki/User:Verdy_p" title="User:Verdy p">Verdy p</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Verdy_p" title="User talk:Verdy p">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Verdy_p-20231022184100-Your_current_reverts_on_kanas_are_the_wrong_way" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, <a href="/wiki/User:Verdy_p" title="User:Verdy p">Verdy p</a>. What is incorrect in <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q40694&oldid=1994921853">this version</a>? From my point of view you've made a mess by merging kana symbol with (only) hiragana symbol, this is asymmetry and contradicts articles content. As you see, sitelinks in <a href="/wiki/Q40694" title="Q40694">ha (Q40694)</a> doesn't refer purely to hiragana, so why did you merge it? I kindly ask you to revise all the changes you've made to kana items and to separate them from Hiraganas.</dd> <dd>I agree that image and stroke order should not be at kana items.</dd> <dd>Also I see the problem in your merge of Hiragana symbols with Unicode Hiragana symbols. Usually in Wikidata we have separate items for Unicode symbols. This is at least because some (real) characters can have several Unicode representations. So I'd recommend to unmerge them too, but I won't insist here. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20231023202600-Verdy_p-20231022184100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>No, characters that have their own unicode representation are the same topic, no need to duplicate them. Also I have NOT merged symbols and characters. As well I have not merged items for characters that are only encoded as Unicode sequences. Now if a single character can be encoded in different ways in Unicode but that are canonically equivalent, this is also the same item (the canonical equivalence is sufficient). Separate items my be created for variation sequences or other non-encoded variants not represented in Unicode (still not, or that will never be encoded as since characters). We should not need multiple items for sequences that are canonically equivalent (the canonical decompositions should be properties of the character item, not separate items). Separate items are however needed for characters or sequences that are not canonically equivalent (including "compatiblity decompositions").</dd> <dd>What I merged gives sense: you unmerged that to make non-existing/non-sense distinctions, not even in the list if wikilinks to wikipedia articles (that are almost all merging the contents describing multiple different characters, with extra redirects to link them all): the title chosen on each Wikipedia may be written in Hiragana, or trasliterated, but this this the same link; and there's no sdense in splitting the list of wikilinks, based on their apparent "title". Wikpedia articles don't necessarily have to have exactly the same title for the same topic on all languages. <a href="/wiki/User:Verdy_p" title="User:Verdy p">Verdy p</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Verdy_p" title="User talk:Verdy p">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Verdy_p-20231023212600-Verdy_p-20231022184100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Verdy_p" title="User:Verdy p"><bdi>Verdy p</bdi></a>: do you at least agree that we can have 3 items: for Hiragana variant, Katakana variant and "combined" kana item? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20231026212500-Verdy_p-20231023212600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 26 October 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius"><bdi>Infovarius</bdi></a>: Yes I agree with that, and that's exactly what I did in Wikidata items and in linked Commons categories. I made no confusion at all in Wikidata: Hiragana items are separated from Katakana items and other Hentaigana items (and also separate from items for halfwidth katakana characters and other symbols like circled characters, ligatures, squared multiple katakana, that are are encoded separately in Unicode, but generally don't have any Wikipedia article on their own); each Unicode-encoded character (Hiragana, Katakana, Hentaigana, halfwidth, enclosed symbols, squared multikana) should have only one item, and maybe additional items for unencoded characters, plus items for encoded sequences (e.g. some kanas for Ainu with dakuten/handkuten which are not encoded as single characters).</dd> <dd>Your attempts to break the list of wikilinks to Wikipediaon Wikidata is still made the wrong way as all those articles (except the small stub in mg.WP for Unicode characters only that do not merge Hiragana and Katakana) are generic articles for all kana forms. These lists of wikilinks should not be splitted. But for now theses Wikipedia wikilinks are attached to the Hiragana entry on Wikidata (independantly of how these articles are named/merged/redirected on these Wikipedia for all kana variants encoded in Unicode they are presenting, plus the additional kana characters that are not single Unicode characters but encoded as sequences or still not encoded).</dd> <dd>There's no data for now anywhere in Wikidata for generic kanas (which should not have any attached image, or a just a generic image showing multiple variants). If you want them in order to move the list of wikilinks, these Wikidata items have to be created. The Wikidata items are all for individual kanas even if wikilinks to Wikipedia are going to generic articles. We don't need duplicate items for individual specific kanas and individual Unicode characters when they are exactly the same (but not all individual kanas are Unicode characters, for that case we need two items). <a href="/wiki/User:Verdy_p" title="User:Verdy p">Verdy p</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Verdy_p" title="User talk:Verdy p">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Verdy_p-20231027085000-Infovarius-20231026212500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 27 October 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ok, I've moved sitelinks together. And I believe that <a href="/wiki/Q40694" title="Q40694">ha (Q40694)</a> is an item for generic kana, why do you say the opposite? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20231028212800-Verdy_p-20231027085000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 28 October 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="FC_Barcelona_(Q7156)" data-mw-thread-id="h-FC_Barcelona_(Q7156)-20231023121700"><a href="/wiki/Q7156" title="Q7156">FC Barcelona (Q7156)</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: FC Barcelona (Q7156)">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> I removed the statements due to template limitations in article the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ca:Futbol_Club_Barcelona" class="extiw" title="en:ca:Futbol Club Barcelona">w:ca:Futbol Club Barcelona</a>. Infobox in article has become too heavy. That's why the templates are shown as links. See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ca:Futbol_Club_Barcelona#Enllaços_externs" class="extiw" title="en:ca:Futbol Club Barcelona">w:ca:Futbol Club Barcelona#Enllaços externs</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Masoud.h1368&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Masoud.h1368 (page does not exist)">Masoud.h1368</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Masoud.h1368&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Masoud.h1368 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Masoud.h1368-20231023121700-FC_Barcelona_(Q7156)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Masoud.h1368&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Masoud.h1368 (page does not exist)"><bdi>Masoud.h1368</bdi></a>: you should not remove info if "some template is too heavy"! It's a problem of this template, you should fix it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20231023200100-Masoud.h1368-20231023121700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="P694" data-mw-thread-id="h-P694-20231028070800">P694</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=44" title="Edit section: P694">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Прошу помощи со свойством <a href="/wiki/Property:P694" title="Property:P694">replaced synonym (for nom. nov.) (P694)</a>: какой таксон должен быть указан в этом свойстве? Валидный или заменённый? Если первое, то почему в свойстве указано ограничение Единственное значение? -- <a href="/wiki/User:VladXe" title="User:VladXe">VladXe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VladXe" title="User talk:VladXe">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-VladXe-20231028070800-P694" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:08, 28 October 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>К сожалению, я не разбираюсь в этом так подробно. Лучше спросить в Проекте:Таксономия. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20231028212200-VladXe-20231028070800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 28 October 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Violent_non-state_actors" data-mw-thread-id="h-Violent_non-state_actors-20231105235900">Violent non-state actors</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: Violent non-state actors">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi. I appreciate you taking interest in editing that entry. I am interested why you removed the claim that they can be a facet of militia organizations. Could you please explain? Love, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BunsBuggy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BunsBuggy (page does not exist)">BunsBuggy</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BunsBuggy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:BunsBuggy (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-BunsBuggy-20231105235900-Violent_non-state_actors" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 5 November 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BunsBuggy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BunsBuggy (page does not exist)"><bdi>BunsBuggy</bdi></a>: Hello. It is so partly facet that the claim makes not sense for me. Isn't it better to have <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q153936" title="Q153936">militia (Q153936)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q153936&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q153936&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P279&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q7933191" title="Q7933191">armed non-state actor (Q7933191)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q7933191&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q7933191&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩</div>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20231107201600-BunsBuggy-20231105235900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:16, 7 November 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It could go this way as well, if this makes more sense to you, but not all militias are non-state actors. Some of them are founded by official government institutions. I appreciate your response. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BunsBuggy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BunsBuggy (page does not exist)">BunsBuggy</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BunsBuggy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:BunsBuggy (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-BunsBuggy-20231119075900-Infovarius-20231107201600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:59, 19 November 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="FC_Barcelona_(Q7156)_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-FC_Barcelona_(Q7156)_2-20231109191000"><a href="/wiki/Q7156" title="Q7156">FC Barcelona (Q7156)</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: FC Barcelona (Q7156)">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> I removed the statements because I think are wrong. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Masoud.h1368&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Masoud.h1368 (page does not exist)">Masoud.h1368</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Masoud.h1368&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Masoud.h1368 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Masoud.h1368-20231109191000-FC_Barcelona_(Q7156)_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 9 November 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Masoud.h1368&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Masoud.h1368 (page does not exist)"><bdi>Masoud.h1368</bdi></a>: Why <a href="/wiki/Property:P355" title="Property:P355">has subsidiary (P355)</a> are wrong? <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20231111205900-Masoud.h1368-20231109191000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 11 November 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>i think they are related to <a href="/wiki/Q3091261" title="Q3091261">FC Barcelona (Q3091261)</a> or they should be entered in <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Masoud.h1368&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Masoud.h1368 (page does not exist)">Masoud.h1368</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Masoud.h1368&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Masoud.h1368 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Masoud.h1368-20231112001400-Infovarius-20231111205900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 12 November 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, it goes. <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20231112182100-Masoud.h1368-20231112001400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> Can you complete <a href="/wiki/Q7156#P793" title="Q7156">Q7156#P793</a>? <dl><dd>Sorry, I have no competence in this. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20231112182100-FC_Barcelona_(Q7156)_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Русский_язык_≠_Язык_математики" data-mw-thread-id="h-Русский_язык_≠_Язык_математики-20231119091400">Русский язык ≠ Язык математики</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: Русский язык ≠ Язык математики">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Привет! А зачем ты <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q7737&oldid=prev&diff=2013675863">вернул обратно</a> видео про язык математики в "Русский язык"? Оно же там совсем не по теме, иллюстрирует совсем не то. Имхо, лучше его поставить, например, в <a href="/wiki/Q3217196" title="Q3217196">Q3217196</a>--<a href="/wiki/User:Ctac" title="User:Ctac">Ctac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ctac" title="User talk:Ctac">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ctac-20231119091400-Русский_язык_≠_Язык_математики" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:14, 19 November 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Привет, Стас. Тут для меня важно не содержание, а форма - то, что это видео на русском языке. Надо каким-то видео проиллюстрировать язык, не важно каким. Я уже пробовал выступление Медведева вставить, тоже откатили. Я подумал, что это из-за политизированности, поэтому поставил максимально удалённое от политики. Наверное, идеальным было бы какое-то культурное выступление на конференции анфас, но такого свободного видео не нашёл. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20231120110800-Ctac-20231119091400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="D:Q2944445" data-mw-thread-id="h-D:Q2944445-20231207083700"><a href="/wiki/Q2944445" title="Q2944445">D:Q2944445</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: D:Q2944445">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello, FYI. You reversed an edit I made. The result is that I had to remove the Dutch interwiki's into another element. Originally this element was created for the Dutch interwiki "Bloem" which is 'All-purpose flower'. However the English labels of the element changed in 2021 and now the element is for something else. <a href="/wiki/User:Ldhank" title="User:Ldhank">Ldhank</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ldhank" title="User talk:Ldhank">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ldhank-20231207083700-D:Q2944445" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ldhank" title="User:Ldhank"><bdi>Ldhank</bdi></a>: Sorry I don't understand the difference between <a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloem_(keuken)" class="extiw" title="nl:Bloem (keuken)">nl:Bloem (keuken)</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour" class="extiw" title="en:Flour">en:Flour</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20231208203100-Ldhank-20231207083700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Russian_occupation_of_Crimea" data-mw-thread-id="h-Russian_occupation_of_Crimea-20231221150400">Russian occupation of Crimea</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: Russian occupation of Crimea">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> I changed <a href="/wiki/Q15859754" title="Q15859754">Russian occupation of Crimea (Q15859754)</a> because the 21st century was showing up as 2100 in some comparisons I was doing. I think it better to just have start_time and an unknown value for end_time, and omit point_in_time. And of course a century isn't really a point in time, like a day, or at a pinch a year, is <a href="/wiki/User:Vicarage" title="User:Vicarage">Vicarage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vicarage" title="User talk:Vicarage">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Vicarage-20231221150400-Russian_occupation_of_Crimea" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 21 December 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Drug_is_a_subclass_of_chemical" data-mw-thread-id="h-Drug_is_a_subclass_of_chemical-20231223045100">Drug is a subclass of chemical</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: Drug is a subclass of chemical">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello @<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a>, I removed the statement "<a href="/wiki/Q8386" title="Q8386">drug (Q8386)</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q79529" title="Q79529">chemical substance (Q79529)</a>" not because it's not useful, but because it's already implicit in the other statement. The <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> is in fact a transitive property. <a href="/wiki/Q8386" title="Q8386">drug (Q8386)</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q409205" title="Q409205">xenobiotic (Q409205)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q409205" title="Q409205">xenobiotic (Q409205)</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q79529" title="Q79529">chemical substance (Q79529)</a> For this reason, it's an ontology redundancy, which is not an issue, but simplicity is better than complexity. If you inspect the ontology of <a href="/wiki/Q8386" title="Q8386">drug (Q8386)</a> you can visualize the situation: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://angryloki.github.io/wikidata-graph-builder/?item=Q8386&property=P279">the ontology in Graph Builder</a>. Anyway thanks for your patience and have a nice day :-) <a href="/wiki/User:Luca.favorido" title="User:Luca.favorido">Luca.favorido</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Luca.favorido" title="User talk:Luca.favorido">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Luca.favorido-20231223045100-Drug_is_a_subclass_of_chemical" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:51, 23 December 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Luca.favorido" title="User:Luca.favorido"><bdi>Luca.favorido</bdi></a>: yeah, sorry, you are right. The ontology gadget seems not working so I was mistaken. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20231226120500-Luca.favorido-20231223045100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 26 December 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Food_product_is_a_subclass_of_food" data-mw-thread-id="h-Food_product_is_a_subclass_of_food-20231225041900">Food product is a subclass of food</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: Food product is a subclass of food">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello @Infovarius, for the same reason stated above, I removed the too generic <a href="/wiki/Q2095" title="Q2095">food (Q2095)</a> from <a href="/wiki/Q951964" title="Q951964">food product (Q951964)</a>. <a href="/wiki/Q8195619" title="Q8195619">human food (Q8195619)</a> already contains the superclass of <a href="/wiki/Q2095" title="Q2095">food (Q2095)</a>. You may refer to <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Issues#Redundant_relations">the Ontology issues page</a>. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Luca.favorido" title="User:Luca.favorido">Luca.favorido</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Luca.favorido" title="User talk:Luca.favorido">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Luca.favorido-20231225041900-Food_product_is_a_subclass_of_food" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:19, 25 December 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Odesa_oblast_and_Ukraine" data-mw-thread-id="h-Odesa_oblast_and_Ukraine-20231225105300">Odesa oblast and Ukraine</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: Odesa oblast and Ukraine">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi. Modern Ukraine is not an <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q171852&diff=prev&oldid=2036195840">administrative district</a>, but an independent state. For the modernity of the Odesa region, it is correct to use only <a href="/wiki/Property:P17" title="Property:P17">Property:P17</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Maksim_L." title="User:Maksim L.">Maksim L.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maksim_L." title="User talk:Maksim L.">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Maksim_L.-20231225105300-Odesa_oblast_and_Ukraine" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:53, 25 December 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hi, @<a href="/wiki/User:Maksim_L." title="User:Maksim L."><bdi>Maksim L.</bdi></a>: yeah, probably it is true. But I stronlgy believe that states (despite not being "administrative") can play a role of root "administrative unit" which is very useful for all queries. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20231226120700-Maksim_L.-20231225105300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Shantar_Islands" data-mw-thread-id="h-Shantar_Islands-20240107151000">Shantar Islands</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: Shantar Islands">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello. The Korean description of Shantar Islands is already within the contents of the document. So it doesn't have to be there from the description. It doesn't have to be that specific. So there's no need to reverse it. I don't know English, and I'm using a translator. Therefore, a machine translator may exist. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mamiamauwy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mamiamauwy (page does not exist)">Mamiamauwy</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mamiamauwy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Mamiamauwy (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Mamiamauwy-20240107151000-Shantar_Islands" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 7 January 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I am ok with short description. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240108180100-Mamiamauwy-20240107151000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Voldemort_Wikidata_Czech_aliases" data-mw-thread-id="h-Voldemort_Wikidata_Czech_aliases-20240116084200">Voldemort Wikidata Czech aliases</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: Voldemort Wikidata Czech aliases">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello. How is Czech aliases of Voldemort in Wikidata, I later found out that "Pán zla" (literally "Lord of Evil") is in Czech translations of Harry Potter is used for translation of "Dark Lord" than "Temný pán", which is not so used. I rather put both there. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Al%C3%ADk2002&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Alík2002 (page does not exist)">Alík2002</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Al%C3%ADk2002&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Alík2002 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Alík2002-20240116084200-Voldemort_Wikidata_Czech_aliases" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q326073" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q326073-20240120052900"><a href="/wiki/Q326073" title="Q326073">Q326073</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: Q326073">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Здравствуйте, коллега! Подскажите, пожалуйста, почему вы откатили мои правки с пометкой «излишне и немного неправильно». Разве в месте рождения и смерти не нужно государство и административно-территориальная единица? — <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KirillQQ&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KirillQQ (page does not exist)">KirillQQ</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:KirillQQ&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:KirillQQ (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-KirillQQ-20240120052900-Q326073" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KirillQQ&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KirillQQ (page does not exist)"><bdi>KirillQQ</bdi></a>: В идеале не нужно, потому что это вычисляется из соответствующей наиболее точной АТЕ. Например, в <a href="/wiki/Q2630" title="Q2630">Ivanovo (Q2630)</a> среди значений свойства <a href="/wiki/Property:P131" title="Property:P131">P:P131</a> на соответствующую дату (1938 год) видим значение <a href="/wiki/Q2654" title="Q2654">Ivanovo Oblast (Q2654)</a>, а <a href="/wiki/Q2184" title="Q2184">Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (Q2184)</a> тем более не нужно, оно уже дальше по цепочке находится в <a href="/wiki/Q2654" title="Q2654">Ivanovo Oblast (Q2654)</a>. В то же время для места смерти <a href="/wiki/Q1697" title="Q1697">Moscow Oblast (Q1697)</a> почти неправильно, т.к. не является следующим уровнем. Следующий уровень мы опять-таки находим в <a href="/wiki/Q198369" title="Q198369">Shchyolkovo (Q198369)</a> - <a href="/wiki/Q4145619" title="Q4145619">Shchyolkovsky District (Q4145619)</a>. P.S. В данном случае всё вычисляется, в других может не хватить каких-то данных, тогда квалификаторы будут конечно добавлять информацию, но лучше её внести в соответствующие АТЕ. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240121180600-KirillQQ-20240120052900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 21 January 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Спасибо большое! — <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KirillQQ&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KirillQQ (page does not exist)">KirillQQ</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:KirillQQ&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:KirillQQ (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-KirillQQ-20240122083300-Infovarius-20240121180600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:33, 22 January 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Duration_of_"The_Pianist"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Duration_of_"The_Pianist"-20240208092000">Duration of "The Pianist"</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: Duration of "The Pianist"">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello, you reverted my edit of the duration of Roman Polanski's "The Pianist" (<a href="/wiki/Q150804" title="Q150804">Q150804</a>) from 143 minutes back to 148.7 minutes with the comment "look at the source". I previously did that already, but only looked at the stats in the left sidebar on the page (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.bbfc.co.uk/release/the-pianist-q29sbgvjdglvbjpwwc0zmzq1nta">https://www.bbfc.co.uk/release/the-pianist-q29sbgvjdglvbjpwwc0zmzq1nta</a>) and did not click on any of the headings on the right. Anyway, I now know that the theatrical version was indeed 148.7 minutes long. However, I would like to argue to change this to 149 minutes. A fractional running time for a film is highly unusual on WikiData. I've requested the running times for a couple hundred films from WikiData for a data science project and only "The Pianist" has a non-integer running time. So how do you feel about changing the running time from 148.7 minutes to 149 minutes? -- <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zamomin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zamomin (page does not exist)">Zamomin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zamomin" title="User talk:Zamomin">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Zamomin-20240208092000-Duration_of_"The_Pianist"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:20, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Why would it be unusual? For shorts like <a href="/wiki/Q1072759" title="Q1072759">Mike's New Car (Q1072759)</a>, a fraction of a minute is a significant fraction of the running time. For data science purposes, you can always round as needed.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jasper_Deng" title="User:Jasper Deng">Jasper Deng</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jasper_Deng" title="User talk:Jasper Deng">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Jasper_Deng-20240208113500-Zamomin-20240208092000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, I did end up rounding the entries. To your point: It's definitively unusual for feature-length films in a statistical sense of the word. I have data for a bit over 300 films in my data science project and only "The Pianist" has a floating point number as its duration, all others are integers. I think standardizing its running time to an integer would improve the data quality. However, I'm a newbie here on WikiData and since you think it's not a problem, I won't harp on it any longer.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zamomin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zamomin (page does not exist)">Zamomin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zamomin" title="User talk:Zamomin">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Zamomin-20240208124000-Jasper_Deng-20240208113500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks for understanding. I see no harm in having more exact time. As Jasper said, one can always round it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240208205300-Zamomin-20240208124000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 8 February 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bashkortostan_coordinates" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bashkortostan_coordinates-20240216071700">Bashkortostan coordinates</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: Bashkortostan coordinates">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> My coordinates pointed at the Дом правительства building containing, among other things, the <a href="/wiki/Q4231503" title="Q4231503">Constitutional Court of the Republic of Bashkortostan (Q4231503)</a>, and are at 54.716667 N, 55.941667 E in decimal format. The coordinates you changed them to point to <a href="/wiki/Q106690126" title="Q106690126">remote area (Q106690126)</a> and are at 54.466667 N, 56.266667 E in decimal format. So as far as rounding they are the same, but in terms of pointing at something 54°43′ N, 55°56.5 E are better. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Abductive&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Abductive (page does not exist)">Abductive</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abductive" title="User talk:Abductive">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Abductive-20240216071700-Bashkortostan_coordinates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Abductive&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Abductive (page does not exist)"><bdi>Abductive</bdi></a>: hello. My main point was in reducing accuracy. Also I have rounded in terms of degree-minute-seconds. There's not much sense in choosing some particular building for such a big region. I would use some geometrical center but it is really hard to calculate. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240302192300-Abductive-20240216071700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>That building is the headquarters of the government of the region. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Abductive&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Abductive (page does not exist)">Abductive</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Abductive" title="User talk:Abductive">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Abductive-20240302192500-Infovarius-20240302192300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="abandoned_fandom_wikis" data-mw-thread-id="h-abandoned_fandom_wikis-20240222092100">abandoned fandom wikis</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=58" title="Edit section: abandoned fandom wikis">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q469&oldid=prev&diff=2083131214">regarding this edit</a>: the community of this wiki moved to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://stowiki.net/">to a different domain</a>. The fandom wiki can still be viewed and edited but at the time it seemed it didn't receive any more updates and was subject to spam. Thats why I set all these fandom ids to deprecated. If you don't agree, or the community is comming alive again, we can still undo this. <a href="/wiki/User:Shisma" title="User:Shisma">Shisma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shisma" title="User talk:Shisma">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Shisma-20240222092100-abandoned_fandom_wikis" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:21, 22 February 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>"It can still be viewed and edited". And it is <a href="/wiki/Property:P6262" title="Property:P6262">in Fandom</a>. It is sufficient to have normal rank as a value, I suppose. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240302193600-Shisma-20240222092100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="country_of_origin_vs_country" data-mw-thread-id="h-country_of_origin_vs_country-20240229095400">country of origin vs country</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=59" title="Edit section: country of origin vs country">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> I'm working on the principle that product models like <a href="/wiki/Q1051720" title="Q1051720">Yakovlev Pchela (Q1051720)</a> have <a href="/wiki/Property:P495" title="Property:P495">country of origin (P495)</a>, not <a href="/wiki/Property:P17" title="Property:P17">country (P17)</a>. Only individual instances of an aircraft, like one in a particular museum, should have a country, the contemporary country now. <a href="/wiki/User:Vicarage" title="User:Vicarage">Vicarage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vicarage" title="User talk:Vicarage">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Vicarage-20240229095400-country_of_origin_vs_country" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:54, 29 February 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It makes sense. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240302194100-Vicarage-20240229095400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:41, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question-20240302095700">Question</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: Question">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello, i know its on another platform but seeing your high profile i was wondering if you would be able to help with a error on a wikipedia page <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Greenfrog23&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Greenfrog23 (page does not exist)">Greenfrog23</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Greenfrog23&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Greenfrog23 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Greenfrog23-20240302095700-Question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:57, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Greenfrog23&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Greenfrog23 (page does not exist)"><bdi>Greenfrog23</bdi></a>: What's question? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240302193900-Greenfrog23-20240302095700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="multi-sport_event" data-mw-thread-id="h-multi-sport_event-20240307221500">multi-sport event</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: multi-sport event">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello Infovarius, you have reverted my edit at "multi-sport event" (<a href="/wiki/Q167170" title="Q167170">Q167170</a>), so now please fix also "2024 Summer Olympics" (<a href="/wiki/Q995653" title="Q995653">Q995653</a>), because I previously added "sport" statement with "multi-sport event" value there. And after your revert, that statement has issues - value-type constraint. (I was trying to fix it so that's why I edited the "multi-sport event".) <a href="/wiki/User:Mai%C5%8D_T." title="User:Maiō T.">Maiō T.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mai%C5%8D_T." title="User talk:Maiō T.">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Maiō_T.-20240307221500-multi-sport_event" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 7 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mai%C5%8D_T." title="User:Maiō T."><bdi>Maiō T.</bdi></a>: hello. Interesting issue, I don't have a solution right now. I notice that other Olympic games do not have <a href="/wiki/Property:P641" title="Property:P641">sport (P641)</a>, may be on purpose, but probably we can find some value like <a href="/wiki/Q167170" title="Q167170">Q167170</a> (but probably different). May be better to discuss wider. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240309222000-Maiō_T.-20240307221500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q4425371" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q4425371-20240312103500"><a href="/wiki/Q4425371" title="Q4425371">Q4425371</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: Q4425371">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Добрый день Мог бы ты не добавлять в Q4425371 значения параметров inception, mass, length? Дело в том, что под обозначением "Снайперские винтовки Калашникова" известны 2 винтовки, значительно отличающиеся по характеристрикам. В Q4425371 сейчас добавлено изображение второго образца, но указанные характеристики относятся не к нему. Год разработки второго образца и вовсе неизвестен. См. <a class="external free" href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Снайперские_винтовки_Калашникова">https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Снайперские_винтовки_Калашникова</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Msgevans00&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Msgevans00 (page does not exist)">Msgevans00</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Msgevans00&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Msgevans00 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Msgevans00-20240312103500-Q4425371" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Msgevans00&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Msgevans00 (page does not exist)"><bdi>Msgevans00</bdi></a>: Спасибо, понял, про массу и длину тогда неверно. Дату создания может можно добавить, как общую? А массу и длину я добавлял их карточки на рувики, получается, надо поправить карточку? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240313212400-Msgevans00-20240312103500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 13 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Я бы не стал добавлять дату, как общую: год разработки второго образца неизвестен.</dd> <dd>По массе и длине — нюанс в том, что сейчас в Q4425371 указаны масса и длина первого образца (Калашникова), но изображение в нём — второго образца (Пушина и Крякушина). Такое вот несоответствие. Поэтому и предложил не добавлять вообще <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Msgevans00&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Msgevans00 (page does not exist)">Msgevans00</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Msgevans00&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Msgevans00 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Msgevans00-20240316185800-Infovarius-20240313212400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 16 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Каркассон" data-mw-thread-id="h-Каркассон-20240312205300">Каркассон</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: Каркассон">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Почему вы отменили правку? <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q17262&oldid=2100252030">https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q17262&oldid=2100252030</a> в игре Каркассон нет как такового специального поля, на котором происходит игра - тайлы выкладываются на любой поверхности <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:CupIvan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:CupIvan (page does not exist)">CupIvan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CupIvan" title="User talk:CupIvan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-CupIvan-20240312205300-Каркассон" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reversion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reversion-20240318132800">Reversion</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=64" title="Edit section: Reversion">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi. Using <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q5705&diff=2104804940&oldid=2104423882">this</a> as a reliable reference is like writing Russian history through Ukrainian nationalist authors... <a href="/wiki/User:CFA1877" title="User:CFA1877">CFA1877</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CFA1877" title="User talk:CFA1877">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-CFA1877-20240318132800-Reversion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:CFA1877" title="User:CFA1877"><bdi>CFA1877</bdi></a>: Ok, may be a source is bad. But there's a country (read: national entity with historical background) "Catalonia", I wonder which item is the best for it? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240321191400-CFA1877-20240318132800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 21 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I know the meanings of the term "country", but it can be problematic and conflictive if an actor uses it in an exclusive way (which was the case). By that way, if we open the door of wikidata to sectarian actors, at this rate Kalmykia or Taristan will end up becoming occupied territories whose relationship with Russia is anecdotal. You ask me about items to use. <a href="/wiki/Q10742" title="Q10742">Q10742</a>, that is already present and it's official. And <a href="/wiki/Q2736168" title="Q2736168">Q2736168</a>, which is present too and it's the official term (didn't you say "national entity with historical background"?). Nothing more, just these two terms. Something similar to <a href="/wiki/Q5187" title="Q5187">Q5187</a>, which only includes the official term and not others such as region, autonomous republic, occupied territory, ancient oblast, etc. To me it's quite clear that the claims of the Chechen separatists have no basis to modify the wikidata page and include their position. <a href="/wiki/User:CFA1877" title="User:CFA1877">CFA1877</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CFA1877" title="User talk:CFA1877">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-CFA1877-20240321200700-Infovarius-20240321191400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 21 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Q2736168" title="Q2736168">historical nationality (Q2736168)</a> is probably a good replacement for "country", let me think. As for Chechnya, we have also <a href="/wiki/Q210036" title="Q210036">Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (Q210036)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q2577465" title="Q2577465">Ichkeria (Q2577465)</a>. In <a href="/wiki/Q5481" title="Q5481">Tatarstan (Q5481)</a> we have additional "non-recognized state" class. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240324212000-CFA1877-20240321200700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Régions_françaises" data-mw-thread-id="h-Régions_françaises-20240319191700">Régions françaises</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=65" title="Edit section: Régions françaises">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Bonjour <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">User:Infovarius</a>, merci pour votre message. Je pense qu'il faut nous libérer du présentéisme : tous les items décrits comme Q36784 sont des régions françaises. Certaines sont existantes en droit positif, d'autres ne le sont plus, un jour certainement plus aucune ne le sera, mais ça ne signifie pas que le concept est obsolète. En ce moment j'améliore les éléments sur les divisions administratives françaises pour ne pas se limiter à la situation présente mais pouvoir aussi décrire la situation à d'autres moments dans le temps. J'espère que vous y trouvez ce que vous cherchez, sinon on peut regarder cela plus précisément. <a href="/wiki/User:Arpyia" title="User:Arpyia">Arpyia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arpyia" title="User talk:Arpyia">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Arpyia-20240319191700-Régions_françaises" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Arpyla&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Arpyla (page does not exist)"><bdi>Arpyla</bdi></a>: D'accord, je veux la même chose. Bon, comment peut-je obtenir le liste de "anciennes régions françaises"? <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240321191900-Arpyia-20240319191700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="President_not_always_of_a_federation" data-mw-thread-id="h-President_not_always_of_a_federation-20240420131400">President not always of a federation</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=66" title="Edit section: President not always of a federation">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q30461&diff=prev&oldid=2133547782">https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q30461&diff=prev&oldid=2133547782</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sergej_Andropov&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sergej Andropov (page does not exist)">Sergej Andropov</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sergej_Andropov&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Sergej Andropov (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Sergej_Andropov-20240420131400-President_not_always_of_a_federation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:14, 20 April 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="President_of_a_specific_entity_not_a_class" data-mw-thread-id="h-President_of_a_specific_entity_not_a_class-20240420132800">President of a specific entity not a class</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=67" title="Edit section: President of a specific entity not a class">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q218295&diff=prev&oldid=2133557136">https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q218295&diff=prev&oldid=2133557136</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sergej_Andropov&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sergej Andropov (page does not exist)">Sergej Andropov</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sergej_Andropov&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Sergej Andropov (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Sergej_Andropov-20240420132800-President_of_a_specific_entity_not_a_class" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 20 April 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] I replied. Can you also add Fast id <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q218295&diff=prev&oldid=2133567143">https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q218295&diff=prev&oldid=2133567143</a> ? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sergej_Andropov&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sergej Andropov (page does not exist)">Sergej Andropov</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sergej_Andropov&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Sergej Andropov (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Sergej_Andropov-20240426103400-President_of_a_specific_entity_not_a_class" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="how_to_model_books_in_WD" data-mw-thread-id="h-how_to_model_books_in_WD-20240421214300">how to model books in WD</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=68" title="Edit section: how to model books in WD">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> please check it out: <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Books">Wikidata:WikiProject Books</a> <a href="/wiki/User:%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%85%D9%88_%DA%A9%D9%8A_%DA%80%DA%84%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%88" title="User:ايمو کي ڀڄايو">ايمو کي ڀڄايو</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%85%D9%88_%DA%A9%D9%8A_%DA%80%DA%84%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%88" title="User talk:ايمو کي ڀڄايو">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-ايمو_کي_ڀڄايو-20240421214300-how_to_model_books_in_WD" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q15932790" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q15932790-20240503055400">Q15932790</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=69" title="Edit section: Q15932790">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Why should <a href="/wiki/Q15932790" title="Q15932790">Q15932790</a> be separated from <a href="/wiki/Q643669" title="Q643669">Q643669</a>? Its related wiki articles are all translated from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generator_(mathematics)" class="extiw" title="en:Generator (mathematics)">en:Generator (mathematics)</a>. Its unique name is <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%94%9F%E6%88%90%E9%9B%86%E5%90%88" class="extiw" title="zh:生成集合">zh:生成集合</a>, but the Chinese wiki article has been moved(renamed) to <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%94%9F%E6%88%90%E5%85%83_(%E6%95%B0%E5%AD%A6)" class="extiw" title="zh:生成元 (数学)">zh:生成元 (数学)</a>, corresponding to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generator_(Mathematics)" class="extiw" title="en:Generator (Mathematics)">en:Generator (Mathematics)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q643669" title="Q643669">Q643669</a>. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mbjpxncp7k&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mbjpxncp7k (page does not exist)">Mbjpxncp7k</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mbjpxncp7k&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Mbjpxncp7k (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Mbjpxncp7k-20240503055400-Q15932790" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>The problem is that in Wikidata we don't link "articles" and "disambiguation pages" (pages with several topics in it) together. There is a formal sign of "disambig" - presence of some disambig template (here we see <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:mathdab" class="extiw" title="zh:Template:mathdab">zh:Template:mathdab</a>) which adds magical Mediawiki word "DISAMBIG". This separation is sometimes arbitrary but quite strict. So if you want to link en and zh pages, you need either add some disambig template to en, or remove disambig template from zh (and better to expand the article). --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240504100400-Mbjpxncp7k-20240503055400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:04, 4 May 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thanks for explaination. I think those pages such as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generator_(Mathematics)" class="extiw" title="en:Generator (Mathematics)">en:Generator (Mathematics)</a> might be better to be tagged as a disambig page. However I was unable to edit them, as I was banned (due to my IP range), except Chinese Wiki (due to IP block exemption).--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mbjpxncp7k&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mbjpxncp7k (page does not exist)">Mbjpxncp7k</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mbjpxncp7k&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Mbjpxncp7k (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Mbjpxncp7k-20240504102700-Infovarius-20240504100400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:27, 4 May 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>My merging on wikidata was motivated by linking these pages in different languages together. It seems that I have to manually add links on the body of page.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mbjpxncp7k&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mbjpxncp7k (page does not exist)">Mbjpxncp7k</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mbjpxncp7k&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Mbjpxncp7k (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Mbjpxncp7k-20240504102900-Infovarius-20240504100400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, manual interwikis are the possibility for linking. <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240506212500-Mbjpxncp7k-20240504102900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Adpositional_senses" data-mw-thread-id="h-Adpositional_senses-20240509093800">Adpositional senses</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=70" title="Edit section: Adpositional senses">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> @<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a>,@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a>,@<a href="/wiki/User:ZI_Jony" title="User:ZI Jony">ZI Jony</a>ː While I do appreciate your corrective edits to my <a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:SM5POR/Languages">[2]</a> subpage, I don't intend to continue maintaining it as an ever-growing collection of all the gripes I have with linguistic information in Wikidata,but I'd like to move my proposals to appropriate project or discussion pages elsewhere, which is why I started that recent thread on the Lexicographic data Discussion tab. Maybe I should use a Talk page associated with the Documentation tab (i.e. closer to the problem) instead? <a href="/wiki/User:SM5POR" title="User:SM5POR">SM5POR</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SM5POR" title="User talk:SM5POR">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-SM5POR-20240509093800-Adpositional_senses" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Guided_missile_cruiser" data-mw-thread-id="h-Guided_missile_cruiser-20240522214500">Guided missile cruiser</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=71" title="Edit section: Guided missile cruiser">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi Infovarius. Regarding <a href="/wiki/Q1361980" title="Q1361980">Q1361980</a>, "Rocket cruiser" is an incorrect name, and wikidata should probably point to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided-missile_cruiser" class="extiw" title="en:Guided-missile cruiser">Guided-missile cruiser</a>, but an error pops up when I try to do so, stating: <blockquote class="quote-frame pullquote toccolours" style="float:none; display:table; border: 1px solid #aaa;"><div style="padding: 10px 15px 10px 15px;">The link <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruiser" class="extiw" title="en:Cruiser">enwiki:Cruiser</a> is already used by Item <a href="/wiki/Q104843" title="Q104843">Q104843</a>. You may remove it from <a href="/wiki/Q104843" title="Q104843">Q104843</a> if it does not belong there or merge the Items if they are about the exact same topic. If the situation is more complex, please see <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Sitelinks#Linking_to_Wikimedia_site_pages" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Sitelinks">Help:Sitelinks</a>. </div></blockquote> The help page linked to wasn't really helpful in trying to fix the problem. Do you know how to fix this? Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Voorts" title="User:Voorts">voorts</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Voorts" title="User talk:Voorts">talk</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Voorts" title="Special:Contributions/Voorts">contributions</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Voorts-20240522214500-Guided_missile_cruiser" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hi. Adding redirect directly requires one more action - adding badge "intentional redirect". I've reconnect as you said. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240523212100-Voorts-20240522214500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="legal_form" data-mw-thread-id="h-legal_form-20240624183800">legal form</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=72" title="Edit section: legal form">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hey Infovarius, regarding your revert at <a href="/wiki/Q460178" title="Q460178">Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung (Q460178)</a>. I think it is better so keep the values of <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> for legal forms at the highest possible level. In that case, this would just be <a href="/wiki/Q10541491" title="Q10541491">legal form (Q10541491)</a>. It is clear, that it's a <a href="/wiki/Q19335303" title="Q19335303">type of legal entity in Germany (Q19335303)</a> from its <a href="/wiki/Property:P1001" title="Property:P1001">applies to jurisdiction (P1001)</a> value (<a href="/wiki/Help:Basic_membership_properties" title="Help:Basic membership properties">Help:Basic_membership_properties</a>). We have the same discussion with values like <a href="/wiki/Q1269299" title="Q1269299">type of business entity (Q1269299)</a>, in the end, we would have to create <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> values like "legal form for business entities in germany" or "legal form for anonymous societies in tunesia". In the same way, <a href="/wiki/Q567" title="Q567">Angela Merkel (Q567)</a> has as P31 only <a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a> and not <a href="/wiki/Q82955" title="Q82955">politician (Q82955)</a>. Best <a href="/wiki/User:Newt713" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Newt713">Newt713</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newt713" title="User talk:Newt713">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Newt713-20240624183800-legal_form" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ישוע" data-mw-thread-id="h-ישוע-20240714201400">ישוע</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=73" title="Edit section: ישוע">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Здравствуйте, уважаемый коллега, вы <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q302&oldid=prev&diff=2204371920">вернули имя ישוע</a>. Скажите, пожалуйста, где можно увидеть источник, согласно которому: имя Ἰησοῦς Χριστός было записано именно на арамейском, и именно как ישוע, а не иначе на арамейском или не на древнееврейском как יהושוע‎ или ещё как-либо?--<a href="/wiki/User:Wlbw68" title="User:Wlbw68">Wlbw68</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wlbw68" title="User talk:Wlbw68">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Wlbw68-20240714201400-ישוע" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Справедливо. Запросил источник в <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD" class="extiw" title="ru:Пентаграмматон">ru:Пентаграмматон</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240717215000-Wlbw68-20240714201400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Спасибо за понимание. <a href="/wiki/User:Wlbw68" title="User:Wlbw68">Wlbw68</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wlbw68" title="User talk:Wlbw68">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Wlbw68-20240730150000-Infovarius-20240717215000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lord's_Supper_/_participle_revert" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lord's_Supper_/_participle_revert-20240721221300">Lord's Supper / participle revert</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=74" title="Edit section: Lord's Supper / participle revert">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello, maybe there's something I'm missing about how Wikidata works, but why is it necessary to state that <a href="/wiki/Q814722" title="Q814722">participle (Q814722)</a>, a grammatical concept, is different from <a href="/wiki/Q66086" title="Q66086">Lord's Supper (Q66086)</a>, a religious rite? <a href="/wiki/User:Jberkel" title="User:Jberkel">Jberkel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jberkel" title="User talk:Jberkel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Jberkel-20240721221300-Lord's_Supper_/_participle_revert" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I added this because they are denoted by the same rare word in Russian. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240723211000-Jberkel-20240721221300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Ah, ok, it makes more sense with the qualifier now. <a href="/wiki/User:Jberkel" title="User:Jberkel">Jberkel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jberkel" title="User talk:Jberkel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Jberkel-20240725145000-Infovarius-20240723211000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Шаблон:Внешние_ссылки" data-mw-thread-id="h-Шаблон:Внешние_ссылки-20240723074900"><a class="external text" href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:%D0%92%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%88%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%81%D1%81%D1%8B%D0%BB%D0%BA%D0%B8">Шаблон:Внешние ссылки</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=75" title="Edit section: Шаблон:Внешние ссылки">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a>: I would like to suggest that you update the links to <a href="/wiki/Q917031" title="Q917031">Brill (Q917031)</a> encyclopedias in the Russian authority template <a class="external text" href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:%D0%92%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%88%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%81%D1%81%D1%8B%D0%BB%D0%BA%D0%B8">Шаблон:Внешние ссылки</a> because these encyclopedias changed their links a few months ago, and Russian Wikipedia articles no longer successfully open links at their source from this Authority template. These are my suggestions for updating the template script: <ol><li><a href="/wiki/Property:P9878" title="Property:P9878">Encyclopaedia of Islam (first edition) ID (P9878)</a>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/EI1O/$1.xml">https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/EI1O/$1.xml</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P9862" title="Property:P9862">Encyclopaedia of Islam (second edition) ID (P9862)</a>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/EIEO/$1.xml">https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/EIEO/$1.xml</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P9879" title="Property:P9879">Encyclopaedia of Islam (third edition) ID (P9879)</a>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/EI3O/$1.xml">https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/EI3O/$1.xml</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P11926" title="Property:P11926">Encyclopaedia Islamica ID (P11926)</a>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/ISLO/$1.xml">https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/ISLO/$1.xml</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P12575" title="Property:P12575">Encyclopaedia of the Qur'ān ID (P12575)</a>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/EQO/$1.xml">https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/EQO/$1.xml</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P12633" title="Property:P12633">Dictionary of Qur'anic Usage ID (P12633)</a>: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/DQUO/$1.xml">https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/DQUO/$1.xml</a></li></ol> As you can see below, revoked and obsolete links are still present in the template. <ol><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-1/*-$1">https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-1/*-$1</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-2/*-$1">https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-2/*-$1</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-3/*-$1">https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-3/*-$1</a></li></ol> Kind regards. <a href="/wiki/User:Soufiyouns" title="User:Soufiyouns">Soufiyouns</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Soufiyouns" title="User talk:Soufiyouns">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Soufiyouns-20240723074900-Шаблон:Внешние_ссылки" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="de-nominalist_church" data-mw-thread-id="h-de-nominalist_church-20240727095700">de-nominalist church</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=76" title="Edit section: de-nominalist church">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi, could you please add some description to <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q107434367&diff=prev&oldid=1455757307">this item</a>? I guess you understand the linked WP articles better than I do with Google Translate. I'd like to understand how it differs from <a href="/wiki/Q13414953" title="Q13414953">religious denomination (Q13414953)</a> and it could be useful for other editors as well. (I looked for the hyphenated form in the English-language article, but to no avail.) Thanks in advance. <a href="/wiki/User:Adam78" title="User:Adam78">Adam78</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Adam78" title="User talk:Adam78">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Adam78-20240727095700-de-nominalist_church" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:57, 27 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="third-order_chemical_classes" data-mw-thread-id="h-third-order_chemical_classes-20240728131900">third-order chemical classes</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=77" title="Edit section: third-order chemical classes">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> @<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius"><bdi>Infovarius</bdi></a>: I removed <a href="/wiki/Q72070508" title="Q72070508">group or class of chemical entities (Q72070508)</a> and several of its subclasses from <a href="/wiki/Q24017465" title="Q24017465">third-order class (Q24017465)</a> because {Q|72070508}} is a subclass of <a href="/wiki/Q98119401" title="Q98119401">group or class of physical objects (Q98119401)</a>, which is a <a href="/wiki/Q24017414" title="Q24017414">second-order class (Q24017414)</a>. This results in a contradiction because second-order and third-order classes are disjoint. You appear to want {Q|72070508}} to remain as a third-order class. Why? What makes {Q|72070508}} a third-order class? If this is to remain, then the subclass link to <a href="/wiki/Q98119401" title="Q98119401">group or class of physical objects (Q98119401)</a> needs to be removed. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User talk:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240728131900-third-order_chemical_classes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 28 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="vehicle_family" data-mw-thread-id="h-vehicle_family-20240728214000">vehicle family</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=78" title="Edit section: vehicle family">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a href="/wiki/Q22999537" title="Q22999537">vehicle family (Q22999537)</a> is a subclass of <a href="/wiki/Q811701" title="Q811701">model series (Q811701)</a>, which makes it a third-order class and not a second-order class. If it is not a third-order class, then it should not be a subclass of <a href="/wiki/Q811701" title="Q811701">model series (Q811701)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User talk:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240728214000-vehicle_family" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Vicarage" title="User:Vicarage"><bdi>Vicarage</bdi></a>:</dd> <dd>Aaah, it looks as if there are a number of classes related to <a href="/wiki/Q22999537" title="Q22999537">vehicle family (Q22999537)</a> that looks as if they might incorrectly be third-order classes. I'm going to go through them and try to set up consistent class orders for them, which may end up removing some class orders and superclasses. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User talk:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240729202900-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240728214000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> In the areas I'm concerned about</dd> <dd>HMS Hood < Admiral class battle cruiser (<a href="/wiki/Q19832479" title="Q19832479">vessel class (Q19832479)</a>), but vessel_class can be under another vessel_class</dd> <dd>Enola Gay < B-29 Superfortress (<a href="/wiki/Q15056993" title="Q15056993">aircraft family (Q15056993)</a>), but some aircraft families have <a href="/wiki/Q15056995" title="Q15056995">aircraft model (Q15056995)</a> under them, so while aircraft_model is always first order, aircraft_family can be first or second.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Q4203311" title="Q4203311">T-34-85 in Irkutsk (Q4203311)</a> (single tank) < <a href="/wiki/Q2720752" title="Q2720752">T-34/85 (Q2720752)</a> (combat vehicle model) < <a href="/wiki/Q172233" title="Q172233">T-34 (Q172233)</a> (<a href="/wiki/Q100709275" title="Q100709275">combat vehicle family (Q100709275)</a>) < <a href="/wiki/Q22999537" title="Q22999537">vehicle family (Q22999537)</a>, so the orders are getting very high, but equally I can imagine another museum tank being directly under <a href="/wiki/Q100709275" title="Q100709275">combat vehicle family (Q100709275)</a> or just <a href="/wiki/Q22999537" title="Q22999537">vehicle family (Q22999537)</a></dd> <dd>Weapons very rarely have instances recorded, but we have models and families of them.</dd> <dd>So I think you will struggle to work bottom up. But generally model=first, family=second. <a href="/wiki/User:Vicarage" title="User:Vicarage">Vicarage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vicarage" title="User talk:Vicarage">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Vicarage-20240729210200-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240729202900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@Vicarage You need to distinguish between <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> the former raises the order but the second does not. So</dd> <dd>T-34-85 in Irkutsk (Q4203311) -> T-34/85 (Q2720752) [1st order]</dd> <dd>T-34/85 (Q2720752) -> weapon family (Q15142889) [2nd order]</dd> <dd>T-34/85 (Q2720752) => T-34 (Q172233) [1st order]</dd> <dd>T-34 (Q172233) -> combat vehicle family (Q100709275) [2nd order]</dd> <dd>weapon family (Q15142889) -> third-order class (Q24017465) INCORRECT</dd> <dd>weapon family (Q15142889) => model series (Q811701) INCORRECT <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User talk:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240729214200-Vicarage-20240729210200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Vicarage" title="User:Vicarage">Vicarage</a></dd> <dd>It was a bit hard to make definitive judgements because it took me a while to find actual individuals. But in the area of aircraft there are enough actual individuals to get a good handle on what is going on.</dd> <dd>We have [-> is instance of, => is subclass of]</dd> <dd>Boeing 737 c/n 61864 (Q126173521) -> Boeing 737 MAX 8 (Q106340166)</dd> <dd>OK-FUN (Q75820063) -> Boeing 737-300 (Q15623287)</dd> <dd>Boeing 737-300 (Q15623287) => Boeing 737 Classic (Q2355950) => Boeing 737 (Q6387)</dd> <dd>Boeing 737 MAX 8 (Q106340166) => Boeing 737 MAX (Q139289) => Boeing 737 (Q6387)</dd> <dd>Boeing 737-300 (Q15623287) -> aircraft family (Q15056993)</dd> <dd>Boeing 737 MAX 8 (Q106340166) -> aircraft family (Q15056993)</dd> <dd>Boeing 737 (Q6387) -> aircraft family (Q15056993)</dd> <dd>D-ABTA (Q64504169) -> Boeing 747-400 (Q906937)</dd> <dd>Boeing 747-400 (Q906937) => Boeing 747 (Q179)</dd> <dd>Boeing 747 (Q179) -> aircraft family (Q15056993)</dd> <dd>This makes aircraft family a second-order class.</dd> <dd>aircraft family (Q15056993) => vehicle family (Q22999537)</dd> <dd>aircraft family (Q15056993) -> third-order class (Q24017465) INCORRECT</dd> <dd>actually used to be fourth-order class (Q24027474)</dd> <dd>There are no instances or subclasses of combat aircraft family (Q124054738) but it should mirror aircraft family (Q15056993)</dd> <dd>combat aircraft family (Q124054738) => vehicle family (Q22999537)</dd> <dd>combat aircraft family (Q124054738) -> third-order class (Q24017465) INCORRECT</dd> <dd>VLS-1 V03 (Q122451003) -> VLS-1 (Q60593)</dd> <dd>VLS-1 (Q60593) -> rocket family (Q109542585)</dd> <dd>This makes rocket family a second-order class.</dd> <dd>rocket family (Q109542585) => vehicle family (Q22999537)</dd> <dd>rocket family (Q109542585) -> second-order class (Q24017414)</dd> <dd>Similarly spacecraft family is a second-order class.</dd> <dd>spacecraft family (Q117384805) => vehicle family (Q22999537)</dd> <dd>spacecraft family (Q117384805) -> second-order class (Q24017414)</dd> <dd>BTR monument in Maltsevo, Sverdlovsk Oblast (Q124743818) -> BTR-60 (Q159911)</dd> <dd>BTR-60 (Q159911) -> combat vehicle family (Q100709275)</dd> <dd>BTR-50 (Q682951) -> armored fighting vehicle (Q130368) INCORRECT</dd> <dd>BTR-50 (Q682951) => armored fighting vehicle (Q130368) ADDED</dd> <dd>BTR-50 (Q682951) -> combat vehicle family (Q100709275) ADDED</dd> <dd>armored fighting vehicle (Q130368) -> combat vehicle family (Q100709275) INCORRECT</dd> <dd>armored fighting vehicle (Q130368) -> vehicle family (Q22999537) INCORRECT</dd> <dd>combat vehicle family (Q100709275) => vehicle family (Q22999537)</dd> <dd>combat vehicle family (Q100709275) => model series (Q811701) INCORRECT</dd> <dd>combat vehicle family (Q100709275) -> third-order class (Q24017465) INCORRECT</dd> <dd>TDRS-7 (Q7669871) -> Tracking and Data Relay Satellite (Q2166659)</dd> <dd>Tracking and Data Relay Satellite (Q2166659) => vehicle family (Q22999537) INCORRECT</dd> <dd>Tracking and Data Relay Satellite (Q2166659) -> vehicle family (Q22999537) ADDED</dd> <dd>vehicle family (Q22999537) -> second-order class (Q24017414)</dd> <dd>vehicle family (Q22999537) => model series (Q811701) INCORRECT</dd> <dd>This may not be perfect but it does seem quite a bit better. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User talk:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240729213500-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240729202900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a>: Still seems like there should be some kind of subclass statement for <a href="/wiki/Q22999537" title="Q22999537">vehicle family (Q22999537)</a>. If <a href="/wiki/Q811701" title="Q811701">model series (Q811701)</a> is inappropriate, then what could work there? — <a href="/wiki/User:Huntster" title="User:Huntster">Huntster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Huntster" title="User talk:Huntster">t</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Huntster" title="Special:EmailUser/Huntster">@</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Huntster" title="Special:Contributions/Huntster">c</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Huntster-20240729225000-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240729213500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:50, 29 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Huntster" title="User:Huntster">Huntster</a> It's not always necessary to have a superclass - well, of course, there is always <a href="/wiki/Q104086571" title="Q104086571">first-order class (Q104086571)</a>, but that is implied by being an instance of <a href="/wiki/Q24017414" title="Q24017414">second-order class (Q24017414)</a>. One could also use</dd> <dd>one of the very general subclasses of <a href="/wiki/Q35120" title="Q35120">entity (Q35120)</a>.</dd> <dd>In the end, it is better to not have a superclass than to have the wrong one. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User talk:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240730003800-Huntster-20240729225000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:38, 30 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I'm not sure I follow all this, but all I care about is that I can query object, (model and family), (functional class) for ships, weapons, vehicles etc and get things, makes of things, types of things, to produce pages like my <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://warlike.info/Q753224">https://warlike.info/Q753224</a>. For this X_family and X_model need consistent application, I'm less worried about their definitions. It would be good for the choice of which X_family to used be obvious, which it isn't for vehicles and weapons at the moment. <a href="/wiki/User:Vicarage" title="User:Vicarage">Vicarage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vicarage" title="User talk:Vicarage">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Vicarage-20240730071500-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240730003800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Vicarage" title="User:Vicarage">Vicarage</a> Should we move this elsewhere? If so, where? <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User talk:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240730115700-Vicarage-20240730071500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>yes, how about <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Cleaning_Task_Force" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Ontology/Cleaning Task Force">Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Cleaning_Task_Force</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Vicarage" title="User:Vicarage">Vicarage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vicarage" title="User talk:Vicarage">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Vicarage-20240730123500-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240730115700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I'll set something up there. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User talk:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240730131300-Vicarage-20240730123500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@Vicarage</dd> <dd>See <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Class_Order">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Class_Order</a>.</dd> <dd>A big problem is that some of the major classes don't have a fixed order, containing both individual products and product models as instances. We should discuss the situation on that page. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User talk:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240730144600-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240730131300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 30 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a>: The issue is that now any use of <a href="/wiki/Q22999537" title="Q22999537">vehicle family (Q22999537)</a> in <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> now gives a warning because it doesn't have a <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> statement. I agree that having a wrong one is bad, but could something be created to fill in the existing gap that isn't wrong? — <a href="/wiki/User:Huntster" title="User:Huntster">Huntster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Huntster" title="User talk:Huntster">t</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Huntster" title="Special:EmailUser/Huntster">@</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Huntster" title="Special:Contributions/Huntster">c</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Huntster-20240730143300-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240730003800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Huntster" title="User:Huntster">Huntster</a> The obvious superclass is product family, but that is <a href="/wiki/Q811701" title="Q811701">model series (Q811701)</a>, which has the wrong order, I think. A possibility is <a href="/wiki/Q104086571" title="Q104086571">first-order class (Q104086571)</a>, which is correct, I think, but could be misleading. Let's discuss on the page I created. (See above.) <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User talk:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240730145900-Huntster-20240730143300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>See <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/object_vs_design_class_vs_functional_class_for_manufactured_objects" title="Wikidata:Requests for comment/object vs design class vs functional class for manufactured objects">Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/object_vs_design_class_vs_functional_class_for_manufactured_objects</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Vicarage" title="User:Vicarage">Vicarage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vicarage" title="User talk:Vicarage">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Vicarage-20240926145100-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240728214000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q579600_functional" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q579600_functional-20240804092000"><a href="/wiki/Q579600" title="Q579600">Q579600</a> functional</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=79" title="Edit section: Q579600 functional">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi! Sorry to bug you with this, but you reverted my edit on the page mentioned in the title. There was a confusion there: the person who provided the translation "functional=funcțional" thought that "functional" was an adjective (as in "functional analysis", for example), but the word was supposed to be a noun in that case, and the correct translation is "funcțională" (plural "funcționale"). This is certified by any Romanian functional analysis book, as the word is universally called "funcțională" here. Just to give an example: see page 28 in Romulus Cristescu's book Analiză funcțională (the book can be found on Libgen). <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Filipjack2000&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Filipjack2000 (page does not exist)">Filipjack2000</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Filipjack2000&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Filipjack2000 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Filipjack2000-20240804092000-Q579600_functional" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:20, 4 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Sorry, my fault. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240805200100-Filipjack2000-20240804092000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 5 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ukrainian_language" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ukrainian_language-20240812131200">Ukrainian language</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=80" title="Edit section: Ukrainian language">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello Infovarius, I don't understand <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q8798&diff=2130848229&oldid=2130847430">this revert</a>, Ethnologue is a well trusted source in linguistic. They maintain iso codes, by example. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/89.171.141.132" title="Special:Contributions/89.171.141.132">89.171.141.132</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-89.171.141.132-20240812131200-Ukrainian_language" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>It was technical revert. Look at the history and at the result: I have kept your data (and restored historical data). --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240813100400-89.171.141.132-20240812131200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Adding_title_to_group" data-mw-thread-id="h-Adding_title_to_group-20240821142700">Adding title to group</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=81" title="Edit section: Adding title to group">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q61746750&diff=prev&oldid=2230722005">https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q61746750&diff=prev&oldid=2230722005</a> Please don't add title to a group. Title is for works. <a href="/wiki/User:ISNIplus" title="User:ISNIplus">ISNIplus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ISNIplus" title="User talk:ISNIplus">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-ISNIplus-20240821142700-Adding_title_to_group" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 21 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:ISNIplus" title="User:ISNIplus"><bdi>ISNIplus</bdi></a>: Why? Every band should have some official name. Or was I wrong in property? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240822193800-ISNIplus-20240821142700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Please read the message carefully. <a href="/wiki/User:ISNIplus" title="User:ISNIplus">ISNIplus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ISNIplus" title="User talk:ISNIplus">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-ISNIplus-20240823081900-Infovarius-20240822193800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:19, 23 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_wars_at_(Q17265)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_wars_at_(Q17265)-20240828150400">Edit wars at (Q17265)</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=82" title="Edit section: Edit wars at (Q17265)">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hello, there is no such thing as "native label" for party games if it was never licensed or have been patented. Also the statement that it's 3-18 players game is incorrect. However, country of origin is already appears in articles on Wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.237.103.42" title="Special:Contributions/109.237.103.42">109.237.103.42</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-109.237.103.42-20240828150400-Edit_wars_at_(Q17265)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>If it was invented in Russia, it can have original Russian name. Can you play it with less 3 players? 18 is arguable, ok. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240828200800-109.237.103.42-20240828150400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Please read <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_original_research" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:No original research">Wikipedia:No original research</a>. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.237.103.42" title="Special:Contributions/109.237.103.42">109.237.103.42</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-109.237.103.42-20240828224600-Infovarius-20240828200800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q130191599_и_Q16629979" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q130191599_и_Q16629979-20240831051200"><a href="/wiki/Q130191599" class="mw-redirect" title="Q130191599">Q130191599</a> и <a href="/wiki/Q16629979" title="Q16629979">Q16629979</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=83" title="Edit section: Q130191599 и Q16629979">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Конечно Мыс Весло и Полуостров Весловский являются разными географическими обектами. И не возможно просто скопировать для объединения статей. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kone718&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kone718 (page does not exist)">Kone718</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kone718" title="User talk:Kone718">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Kone718-20240831051200-Q130191599_и_Q16629979" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:12, 31 August 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kone718&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kone718 (page does not exist)"><bdi>Kone718</bdi></a>: Если это действительно мыс и полуостров, я исправлю утверждения. Хотя я вижу странную фразу "ケラムイ崎とも表記される。ロシアの実効支配下にあり、ロシア語名ヴェスロフスキー半島" в <a href="/wiki/Q129984059" title="Q129984059">Q129984059</a> - как будто здесь про полуостров (Google Translate говорит). --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240901224800-Kone718-20240831051200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Может быть только Японцы неправильно писали... Потому что «崎» - мыс, а «半島» - п-ов.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kone718&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kone718 (page does not exist)">Kone718</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kone718" title="User talk:Kone718">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Kone718-20240902042900-Infovarius-20240901224800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Occupation"" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Occupation"-20240902151700">"Occupation"</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=84" title="Edit section: "Occupation"">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> If you can show me evidence that Jeffrey Dahmer had been hired to commit crimes, and was being paid to do it, then I will accept that his occupation was "serial killer" and "serial rapist". <a href="/wiki/User:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User:DragonflySixtyseven">DS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User talk:DragonflySixtyseven">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-DragonflySixtyseven-20240902151700-"Occupation"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>P106 is for what this person known for. And this is not only profession, but also hobbies (see fr-alias) and similar. Or we should remove <a href="/wiki/Q75655" title="Q75655">Pierre de Fermat (Q75655)</a> P106=mathematician, <a href="/wiki/Q5593" title="Q5593">Pablo Picasso (Q5593)</a> P106=artist, and many more. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240903184800-DragonflySixtyseven-20240902151700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mul_labels" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mul_labels-20240904184200">Mul labels</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=85" title="Edit section: Mul labels">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> According to <a href="/wiki/User:Madamebiblio" title="User:Madamebiblio">Madamebiblio</a>, mul labels are not used in films or TV series, per <a href="/wiki/Help:Default_values_for_labels_and_aliases" title="Help:Default values for labels and aliases">Help:Default values for labels and aliases</a>. So why did you revert at <a href="/wiki/Q485983" title="Q485983">Shrek 2 (Q485983)</a>? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2602:306:3384:B280:F154:16FD:316B:A4D5" title="Special:Contributions/2602:306:3384:B280:F154:16FD:316B:A4D5">2602:306:3384:B280:F154:16FD:316B:A4D5</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-2602:306:3384:B280:F154:16FD:316B:A4D5-20240904184200-Mul_labels" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Betula" data-mw-thread-id="h-Betula-20240909141900">Betula</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=86" title="Edit section: Betula">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> "We don't use that". Funny, I've checked the documentation of the taxonomy wikiproject and I can find nothing to back up your claim that P527 is not usable for taxons. Please point to the documentation you're relying on for that assertion. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:David_Newton&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:David Newton (page does not exist)">David Newton</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Newton" title="User talk:David Newton">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-David_Newton-20240909141900-Betula" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hello, David. I couldn't find too... There are many discussions about usability of reverse property even for "basyonym" and "synonym of taxon" but not for P171. I suppose it was so obvious, but may be <a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">User:Succu</a> remember? Having inverse for P171 is like having inverse for P279 - redundant relation and far too many values in many items. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240910120100-David_Newton-20240909141900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Языки_территории" data-mw-thread-id="h-Языки_территории-20240910052300">Языки территории</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=87" title="Edit section: Языки территории">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Доброго времени суток. Объясните, пожалуйста, почему Вы в 2019 году для метакласса <a href="/wiki/Q20671156" title="Q20671156">languages of a geographic region (Q20671156)</a> переделывали свойство Это частный случай на Является подклассом? Например: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2313063&diff=886792564&oldid=296573687">[3]</a>? Ведь это неправильно. <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User:Ыфь77">Ыфь77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User talk:Ыфь77">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ыфь77-20240910052300-Языки_территории" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Потому что это не про один язык (например, <a href="/wiki/Q13389" title="Q13389">Bashkir (Q13389)</a> был бы P31=Q20671156 для <a href="/wiki/Q5710" title="Q5710">Bashkortostan (Q5710)</a>), а про класс. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240910114000-Ыфь77-20240910052300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:40, 10 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Таки класс является частным случаем метакласса, а Языки территории - как раз метакласс. Я, не торопясь, переделываю обратно. <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User:Ыфь77">Ыфь77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User talk:Ыфь77">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ыфь77-20240910125500-Infovarius-20240910114000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Obsolete_taxonomic_schemes_and_reliability_of_references" data-mw-thread-id="h-Obsolete_taxonomic_schemes_and_reliability_of_references-20240911223200">Obsolete taxonomic schemes and reliability of references</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=88" title="Edit section: Obsolete taxonomic schemes and reliability of references">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Please be aware that sites like ITIS do not always maintain their taxonomy to reflect the current scientific literature. In fact, these frankly are not reliable sources when they deviate from the majority of scientific publications over the past decade and a half. If you find a claim on one of these sites, you need to verify that it's actually still valid. In at least a few cases, you have gone back to completely obsolete classification. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Lhikan634&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Lhikan634 (page does not exist)">Lhikan634</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lhikan634&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Lhikan634 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Lhikan634-20240911223200-Obsolete_taxonomic_schemes_and_reliability_of_references" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Why can't we keep "obsolete classificiation"? Especially when we keep "obsolete" taxa. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240913192000-Lhikan634-20240911223200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ричина_отмены_правки" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ричина_отмены_правки-20240913060500">Ричина отмены правки</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=89" title="Edit section: Ричина отмены правки">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Коллега, я не понимаю причину отмены моей правки <a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q143&oldid=prev&diff=2247110739">[4]</a>. Объясните в чём ошибка <a href="/wiki/User:VladimirPF" title="User:VladimirPF">VladimirPF</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VladimirPF" title="User talk:VladimirPF">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-VladimirPF-20240913060500-Ричина_отмены_правки" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Вмешаюсь: правка сделана по моей просьбе, для элементов Эсперанто <в стране> требуется, чтобы эсперанто был подклассом, как все естественные языки. И да - эсперанто подкласс, потому что существовало несколько версий языка. <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User:Ыфь77">Ыфь77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User talk:Ыфь77">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ыфь77-20240913142800-VladimirPF-20240913060500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Не совсем про это.</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Наоборот, я за то, чтобы поставить эсперанто экземпляром (а не классом) языков. Так принято для языков. Если это "класс" языков, используются другие классификации, например, P31=<a href="/wiki/Q941501" title="Q941501">language group (Q941501)</a>. А насчёт версий, и про английский так можно сказать, пока в классы его никто не переводит. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240913192300-VladimirPF-20240913060500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Как говорят/говорили в Одессе: Ви за это отвечаете? Внимательно посмотрите на элемент Q1860 и рассмотрите, наконец, там свойство подкласс от Английские языки. Классом он является для элементов языка на территориях и для его диалектов, говоров и прочих идиом (которых в английском китайское числительное). Точно такого же свойства я прошу для эсперанто. <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User:Ыфь77">Ыфь77</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%AB%D1%84%D1%8C77" title="User talk:Ыфь77">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Ыфь77-20240914041400-Infovarius-20240913192300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re-inserting_GND_redirect" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re-inserting_GND_redirect-20240914154300">Re-inserting GND redirect</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=90" title="Edit section: Re-inserting GND redirect">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a href="/wiki/Talk:Q285048#GND_redirect" title="Talk:Q285048">Talk:Q285048#GND redirect</a>, please explain your re-insertion. <a href="/wiki/User:GNDfix" title="User:GNDfix">GNDfix</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GNDfix" title="User talk:GNDfix">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-GNDfix-20240914154300-Re-inserting_GND_redirect" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hertz_hertz_(Q39369)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hertz_hertz_(Q39369)-20240916214900">Hertz <a href="/wiki/Q39369" title="Q39369">hertz (Q39369)</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=91" title="Edit section: Hertz hertz (Q39369)">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> First of all, I do not see the necessity to import an image from commons, but why was only Russian legends added? It appears on unexpected places (like in commons category). I am not able to add legends in different languages, and make ranking between them. If you can add it, please add the Russian version, but that should not be the default value for the image, Thanx! <a href="/wiki/User:JSoos" title="User:JSoos">JSoos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JSoos" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:JSoos">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-JSoos-20240916214900-Hertz_hertz_(Q39369)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:JSoos" title="User:JSoos"><bdi>JSoos</bdi></a>: I don't understand about which "import" do you say. As for Russian caption, you can adjust your tools not to show it if you don't want. One language in Wikidata shouldn't prevail over the other and this is not an English website. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240920180300-JSoos-20240916214900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Thank you very much! You are really helpful! <a href="/wiki/User:JSoos" title="User:JSoos">JSoos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JSoos" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:JSoos">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-JSoos-20240920194300-Infovarius-20240920180300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Citizenship" data-mw-thread-id="h-Citizenship-20240917111300">Citizenship</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=92" title="Edit section: Citizenship">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi Infovarius! The Austro-Hungarian Monarchy was a state entity that included several countries. The inhabitants of these countries had their own citizenship, that is, there was no such thing as Austro-Hungarian dream citizenship. Here on Wikidata, we use <a href="/wiki/Q533534" title="Q533534">Cisleithania (Q533534)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q28" title="Q28">Hungary (Q28)</a> to denote nationality. Unfortunately, all of the ones you entered as <a href="/wiki/Property:P27" title="Property:P27">country of citizenship (P27)</a>:<a href="/wiki/Q28513" title="Q28513">Austria-Hungary (Q28513)</a> must be corrected (e.g.: <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q900138&curid=850946&diff=2249179327&oldid=2249179257">https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q900138&curid=850946&diff=2249179327&oldid=2249179257</a> ) The <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P27" title="Property talk:P27">P27 property discussion page</a> lists the combinations that do not correspond to the historical facts. It's worth a look ("Which items to use? "). <a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor">Pallor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pallor" title="User talk:Pallor">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Pallor-20240917111300-Citizenship" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:13, 17 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="former_entity" data-mw-thread-id="h-former_entity-20240917203000">former entity</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=93" title="Edit section: former entity">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> You changed <a href="/wiki/Q15893266" title="Q15893266">former entity (Q15893266)</a> from an instance of <a href="/wiki/Q86098365" title="Q86098365">currently empty class (Q86098365)</a> to a subclass of it. This makes all former entities be classes, which does not seem to be correct. I'm not keen on the instance relationship either, but it seems much better than the subclass relationship;. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User talk:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240917203000-former_entity" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider"><bdi>Peter F. Patel-Schneider</bdi></a>: "This makes all former entities be classes" - what? How can instances of former entity become classes, when former entity is changed from being an instance of something to be a subclass of something? <a href="/wiki/User:Andres_Ollino" title="User:Andres Ollino">Andres Ollino</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andres_Ollino" title="User talk:Andres Ollino">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Andres_Ollino-20240921234000-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240917203000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Andres_Ollino" title="User:Andres Ollino">Andres Ollino</a> <a href="/wiki/Q86098365" title="Q86098365">currently empty class (Q86098365)</a> is labelled and described according to the conventions of Wikidata. Just like <a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a> is not a human but is instead the class of humans, <a href="/wiki/Q86098365" title="Q86098365">currently empty class (Q86098365)</a> is not a currently empty class but is instead the class of currently empty classes. So <a href="/wiki/Q15893266" title="Q15893266">former entity (Q15893266)</a><a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a><a href="/wiki/Q86098365" title="Q86098365">currently empty class (Q86098365)</a><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2202089130">.mw-parser-output .statement{margin:0 .2em;background:var(--background-color-base,#fff);color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1)}.mw-parser-output .statement .subject{padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .predicate{background:var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0);color:var(--color-emphasized,#000);padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .object{padding:0 .2em}</style> means, using the meaning of <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a>, that all instances of <a href="/wiki/Q15893266" title="Q15893266">former entity (Q15893266)</a> are currently empty classes. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User talk:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240922113000-Andres_Ollino-20240921234000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider"><bdi>Peter F. Patel-Schneider</bdi></a>: You didn't explain "This makes all former entities be classes". You also didn't link to the edit that made the change you claimed has happened. <a href="/wiki/User:Andres_Ollino" title="User:Andres Ollino">Andres Ollino</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andres_Ollino" title="User talk:Andres Ollino">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Andres_Ollino-20240923002900-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240922113000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>From my reply: "that all instances of former entity (Q15893266) are currently empty classes". What part of "This makes all former entities be classes" is missing?</dd> <dd>The change I refer to is the only one made by Infovarius.</dd> <dd>I note that there was a change made today by Hunster that reverted the change by Infovarius. So as far as I am concerned things are fine now. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User talk:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240923020400-Andres_Ollino-20240923002900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Please post the link to the change, providing the source for a claim is common practice in Wikipedia and should be so in discussions too, so the first person talking about it, and here basing the entire thread on that, provides it, and each reader can just consume it. <a href="/wiki/User:Andres_Ollino" title="User:Andres Ollino">Andres Ollino</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andres_Ollino" title="User talk:Andres Ollino">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Andres_Ollino-20240925125100-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240923020400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider"><bdi>Peter F. Patel-Schneider</bdi></a>: I understand your argument and tend to agree with it. So <a href="/wiki/Q15893266" title="Q15893266">Q15893266</a> is an empty class but it has instances and even non-empty subclasses... Time-dependent classes a little explode my mind... <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240924105000-Peter_F._Patel-Schneider-20240917203000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q1046594_vs_Q36156" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q1046594_vs_Q36156-20240918135800"><a href="/wiki/Q1046594" title="Q1046594">Q1046594</a> vs <a href="/wiki/Q36156" title="Q36156">Q36156</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=94" title="Edit section: Q1046594 vs Q36156">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Before reverting your change (that reverted mine :-)), I'd like to clarify that all the wikivoyage's article talks about the Kazak Altai territory, that in this case collide with the administrative Kazak region, that's why I move those articles from one wd instance to the other. Please share me your thoughts. <a href="/wiki/User:Andyrom75" title="User:Andyrom75">Andyrom75</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyrom75" title="User talk:Andyrom75">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Andyrom75-20240918135800-Q1046594_vs_Q36156" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I've notice a huge amount of modification with this account, so most likely it's a bot and I don't know if and when you'll reply, so let me provide you more information to explain why I'm going to "revert your revert" :-)</dd> <dd>The Wikivoyage map has been created starting from the administrative Kazakh region, present in the Wikipedia map.</dd> <dd><figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Kazakhstan_regions_map.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Kazakhstan_regions_map.png/220px-Kazakhstan_regions_map.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="126" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Kazakhstan_regions_map.png/330px-Kazakhstan_regions_map.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Kazakhstan_regions_map.png/440px-Kazakhstan_regions_map.png 2x" data-file-width="3008" data-file-height="1728"/></a><figcaption>WV map</figcaption></figure></dd> <dd><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Kazakhstan_provinces_and_province_capitals_en_2022.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Kazakhstan_provinces_and_province_capitals_en_2022.png/220px-Kazakhstan_provinces_and_province_capitals_en_2022.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="123" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Kazakhstan_provinces_and_province_capitals_en_2022.png/330px-Kazakhstan_provinces_and_province_capitals_en_2022.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Kazakhstan_provinces_and_province_capitals_en_2022.png/440px-Kazakhstan_provinces_and_province_capitals_en_2022.png 2x" data-file-width="1786" data-file-height="1000"/></a><figcaption>WP map</figcaption></figure></dd> <dd>You can easily see that the borders of the 6 territories highlighted in the WV map are defined by the administrative borders. Furthermore you can see that 5 out 6 WV territories are defined by grouping 2 or more administrative Kazakh regions, with the exception of the Altai WV region that is exactly the same of the Altai administrative region.</dd> <dd>I hope it clarify. Feel free to ping me for further discussion. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Andyrom75" title="User:Andyrom75">Andyrom75</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyrom75" title="User talk:Andyrom75">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Andyrom75-20240919081700-Andyrom75-20240918135800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Who is bot? @<a href="/wiki/User:Andyrom75" title="User:Andyrom75"><bdi>Andyrom75</bdi></a>: there's something intrinsically wrong in your move. <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/ru:%D0%A0%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%90%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B9" class="extiw" title="v:ru:Рудный Алтай">Rudny Altai</a> is not East Kazakhstan, as it situated also in Russia. <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/fr:Alta%C3%AF_kazakh" class="extiw" title="v:fr:Altaï kazakh">Altaï kazakh</a> is not East Kazahstan, because: "Altaï kazakh correspond à l'est de la province du Kazakhstan-Oriental.". Other guides also doesn't mention East Kazakshtan. If you want to describe administrative region why not to name guides by administrative name?? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240920114500-Andyrom75-20240919081700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Hi Infovarious, on top on the discussion about border, let me highlight a couple of things. <ol><li>all the Wikivoyage articles are defined hierarchically by the breadcrumb that you can see on top, and all of them are defined as "part of Kazakhstan" through a dedicated template (e.g. the <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/ru:%D0%A0%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%90%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B9" class="extiw" title="voy:ru:Рудный Алтай">Russian version</a> shows: "Азия > Средняя Азия > Казахстан > Рудный Алтай").</li> <li>Regarding the sentence you mention, about the fact that the content of the article in the subject is the eastern part of a greater territory, this comes from the fact that before 2022 the "East Kazakhstan Region" was composed by the current territories: "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Kazakhstan_Region" class="extiw" title="w:East Kazakhstan Region">East Kazakhstan Region</a>" (on the east side) + "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abai_Region" class="extiw" title="w:Abai Region">Abai Region</a>" (on the west side). After 2022, "Abai Region" become an independent region and "East Kazakhstan Region" kept its original name but with new borders. That said, it's true that before 2022 the administrative territory and the tourist territory were different, but after 2022, the two territories are the same, so also the text in the body of the articles shall be updated.</li></ol></dd> <dd>I hope it clarify. Please let me know, <a href="/wiki/User:Andyrom75" title="User:Andyrom75">Andyrom75</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andyrom75" title="User talk:Andyrom75">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Andyrom75-20240921063600-Infovarius-20240920114500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="human_instance_of_endling" data-mw-thread-id="h-human_instance_of_endling-20240921232500">human instance of endling</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=95" title="Edit section: human instance of endling">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a href="/wiki/Talk:Q4241296#Human_instance_of_endling" title="Talk:Q4241296">Talk:Q4241296#Human_instance_of_endling</a> please stop your "innovations" <a href="/wiki/User:Andres_Ollino" title="User:Andres Ollino">Andres Ollino</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andres_Ollino" title="User talk:Andres Ollino">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Andres_Ollino-20240921232500-human_instance_of_endling" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Andres_Ollino" title="User:Andres Ollino"><bdi>Andres Ollino</bdi></a>: How to express this in other way? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20240923224900-Andres_Ollino-20240921232500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:49, 23 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="graph_ontology" data-mw-thread-id="h-graph_ontology">graph ontology</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=96" title="Edit section: graph ontology">edit</a>]</div> <dl><dd>Moved to <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#graph_ontology" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Mathematics">Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#graph ontology</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Recent_reverts_and_mess_(again)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Recent_reverts_and_mess_(again)-20240926143000">Recent reverts and mess (again)</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=97" title="Edit section: Recent reverts and mess (again)">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> RE: " <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1806121&oldid=prev&diff=2253212708">don't put a mess</a> " : Please see <a href="/wiki/Property:P2396" title="Property:P2396">Property:P2396</a> and keep <a href="/wiki/Q860623" title="Q860623">Q860623</a> consistent with it. <a href="/wiki/User:Taylor_49" title="User:Taylor 49">Taylor 49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taylor_49" title="User talk:Taylor 49">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Taylor_49-20240926143000-Recent_reverts_and_mess_(again)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>RE "range of function is just one of the images, image can be of subset/element/full domain" : <a href="/wiki/Q860623" title="Q860623">Q860623</a> is very clearly defined as the set of all values that a function can produce. That the word "image" could be used for a subset is possibly true but irrelevant in the context. The item <a href="/wiki/Q860623" title="Q860623">image (Q860623)</a> is NOT about all obscure meanings of the word "image", but about the set of all values that a function can produce and nothing else. <a href="/wiki/User:Taylor_49" title="User:Taylor 49">Taylor 49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taylor_49" title="User talk:Taylor 49">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Taylor_49-20240926143500-Taylor_49-20240926143000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd><dl><dd>RE "<a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q860623&diff=2253214809&oldid=2253213135">give me some minutes to adjust descriptions</a>" : the item is linked to heavily used <a href="/wiki/Property:P2396" title="Property:P2396">image of function (P2396)</a> (example: <a href="/wiki/Q12718884" title="Q12718884">Q12718884</a>) thus you MUST NOT change its scope. <a href="/wiki/User:Taylor_49" title="User:Taylor 49">Taylor 49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taylor_49" title="User talk:Taylor 49">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Taylor_49-20240926143900-Taylor_49-20240926143500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>RE "<a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1806121&oldid=2253220869">look now</a>" : There are indeed a few improvements, but many worsenings. Most notably, mass copying of stuff from well defined <a href="/wiki/Q860623" title="Q860623">image (Q860623)</a> into ambigous <a href="/wiki/Q1806121" title="Q1806121">range of a function (Q1806121)</a> is not useful at all. What's the point? You love reverting me for the sake of reverting, don't you? <a href="/wiki/User:Taylor_49" title="User:Taylor 49">Taylor 49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taylor_49" title="User talk:Taylor 49">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Taylor_49-20240926150500-Taylor_49-20240926143900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Кубоид" data-mw-thread-id="h-Кубоид-20240928212600">Кубоид</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=98" title="Edit section: Кубоид">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Здравствуйте, коллега <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a>. Очень удивился Вашей правке <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q55450691&diff=next&oldid=2244991713">https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q55450691&diff=next&oldid=2244991713</a>. Вы считаете, что русское слово Кубоид недостаточно соответствует английскому Cuboid? С уважением, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:G2ii2g&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:G2ii2g (page does not exist)">G2ii2g</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:G2ii2g&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:G2ii2g (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-G2ii2g-20240928212600-Кубоид" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Вы не отвечали, поэтому вернул, как было. С уважением, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:G2ii2g&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:G2ii2g (page does not exist)">G2ii2g</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:G2ii2g&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:G2ii2g (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-G2ii2g-20241001144200-G2ii2g-20240928212600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:G2ii2g&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:G2ii2g (page does not exist)"><bdi>G2ii2g</bdi></a>: Кажется, не соответствует. По-английски, <a href="/wiki/File:Generic_quadrilateral_hexahedron.svg" title="File:Generic quadrilateral hexahedron.svg">File:Generic quadrilateral hexahedron.svg</a> - "cuboid", по-русски не "кубоид" (см. куда перенаправляется <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ru:%D0%9A%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4" class="extiw" title="w:ru:Кубоид">w:ru:Кубоид</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20241002083300-G2ii2g-20240928212600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q65706630" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q65706630-20240930045900"><a href="/wiki/Q65706630" title="Q65706630">Q65706630</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=99" title="Edit section: Q65706630">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> @<a href="/wiki/User:%E7%99%BD%E5%B8%83%E9%A3%98%E6%89%AC" title="User:白布飘扬"><bdi>白布飘扬</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Linda.jansova" title="User:Linda.jansova"><bdi>Linda.jansova</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Elyaqim" title="User:Elyaqim"><bdi>Elyaqim</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Dan_Polansky" title="User:Dan Polansky"><bdi>Dan Polansky</bdi></a>: why the merge was reverted? Then it was added it's said to be the same as <a href="/wiki/Q115779499" title="Q115779499">Q115779499</a>. No description for <a href="/wiki/Q65706630" title="Q65706630">Q65706630</a>, so how can we distinguish? The only thing that differentiate them is the entry number of <a href="/wiki/Property:P5398" title="Property:P5398">TDKIV term ID (P5398)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Web-julio" title="User talk:Web-julio">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Web-julio-20240930045900-Q65706630" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I merged <a href="/wiki/Q115779499" title="Q115779499">narrower term (Q115779499)</a> to <a href="/wiki/Q65706630" title="Q65706630">narrower term (Q65706630)</a> due to their same English label and the later was no described, but then I found they both have own distinct <a href="/wiki/Property:P5398" title="Property:P5398">TDKIV term ID (P5398)</a> value and I not sure if they just something homonym because I not familiar in Czech. So I revert my action and let other to make decision. <a href="/wiki/User:%E7%99%BD%E5%B8%83%E9%A3%98%E6%89%AC" title="User:白布飘扬">白布飘扬</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E7%99%BD%E5%B8%83%E9%A3%98%E6%89%AC" title="User talk:白布飘扬">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-白布飘扬-20240930053100-Web-julio-20240930045900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio"><bdi>Web-julio</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:%E7%99%BD%E5%B8%83%E9%A3%98%E6%89%AC" title="User:白布飘扬"><bdi>白布飘扬</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Linda.jansova" title="User:Linda.jansova"><bdi>Linda.jansova</bdi></a>:: Indeed <a href="/wiki/Q65706630" title="Q65706630">narrower term (Q65706630)</a> (2 uses) got silently merged into <a href="/wiki/Q115779499" title="Q115779499">narrower term (Q115779499)</a> (17 uses), but the merge was reverted by same person 白布飘扬. Indeed Q65706630 has no description and no useful claims. Unless someone elaborates on the difference between the two by adding descriptions and claims, I will redo the merge. <a href="/wiki/User:Taylor_49" title="User:Taylor 49">Taylor 49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taylor_49" title="User talk:Taylor 49">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Taylor_49-20241001170600-白布飘扬-20240930053100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Web-julio" title="User:Web-julio">Web-julio</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:%E7%99%BD%E5%B8%83%E9%A3%98%E6%89%AC" title="User:白布飘扬">白布飘扬</a>,@<a href="/wiki/User:Elyaqim" title="User:Elyaqim">Elyaqim</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:Dan_Polansky" title="User:Dan Polansky">Dan_Polansky</a> I have added the description to <a href="/wiki/Q65706630" title="Q65706630">Q65706630</a> which clarifies its meaning. It is nearly the same but a bit broader as it encompasses narrower terms used in thesauri and narrower terms in any other relevant knowledge organization systems (which have a hierarchical structure; not all of them have one, of course). So in my view it is correct to keep these two items separate, mirroring the linked TDKIV terminology database items. Therefore, the said to be the same as statements probably should not be there (although those narrower terms from thesauri would come under the umbrella narrower terms used for the knowledge organization systems in general) but still... <a href="/wiki/User:Linda.jansova" title="User:Linda.jansova">Linda.jansova</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Linda.jansova" title="User talk:Linda.jansova">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Linda.jansova-20241002054200-白布飘扬-20240930053100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hungary_vs_Kingdom_of_Hungary" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hungary_vs_Kingdom_of_Hungary-20241003213500">Hungary vs Kingdom of Hungary</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=100" title="Edit section: Hungary vs Kingdom of Hungary">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi! This element (meaning <a href="/wiki/Q28" title="Q28">Hungary (Q28)</a>) represents the country that was founded in the 11th century and still exists today. We use this to indicate citizenship. It is important to know that citizenship and state form are two different concepts. The fact that a person's country was a kingdom, republic or whatever during his life did not change his citizenship. This is especially true in the case of Hungary: it is very important that the continuity of citizenship is continuous, which is almost unique in Eastern Europe (the citizenship of the Germans changed, Czechoslovakia, the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia also fell apart). There is no Hungarian person in history who has two Hungarian citizenships. <a href="/wiki/User:Pallor" title="User:Pallor">Pallor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pallor" title="User talk:Pallor">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Pallor-20241003213500-Hungary_vs_Kingdom_of_Hungary" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 3 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Administrative_division_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-Administrative_division_categories-20241007134200">Administrative division categories</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=101" title="Edit section: Administrative division categories">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Please see my last reply here: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Q7339272" title="Talk:Q7339272">Talk:Q7339272</a>. I assume you didn't notice it before you <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/2257121617" title="Special:Diff/2257121617">moved the Commons sitelink</a> again. As said, subjects (governments, borders etc.) you listed generally relate to specific administrative territorial entities. Also, <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Country_subdivisions" class="extiw" title="c:Category:Country subdivisions">Country subdivisions</a> category is the most specific category containing all individual administrative territorial entities. Content of this Commons category relates to the subject of <a href="/wiki/Q5905240" title="Q5905240">Category:Administrative territorial structure (Q5905240)</a> the same way that it relates to the content of any other more general category. It is also unclear why you insist on linking <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Administrative_entities" class="extiw" title="c:Category:Administrative entities">c:Category:Administrative entities</a> instead from <a href="/wiki/Q7339272" title="Q7339272">Category:Administrative divisions (Q7339272)</a>. This sitelink is at best confusing. As said, given Commons category is almost unused, and as said individual administrative territorial entities are actually in different more specific category mentioned in previous paragraph (which currently isn't even a subcategory of this category). Considering that one of two members of "Administrative entities" is "Administrative territorial entities‎" it looks like this more general category should also include non-territorial administrative entities (some organizations maybe). So it is rather difficult to see how this category matches <a href="/wiki/Q7339272" title="Q7339272">Category:Administrative divisions (Q7339272)</a>. As for <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/2257120383" title="Special:Diff/2257120383">Special:Diff/2257120383</a> (at least as aliases) – what is the point? These labels/aliases are all simply wrong (not matching the subject of other categories attached to this item). Also, labels that you restored are expected to conflict with labels in other item to which the sitelinks were moved (once some bot tries to fill in the labels based on category sitelinks). <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:7D0:81F8:9A80:C548:2BB6:97BE:D683" title="Special:Contributions/2001:7D0:81F8:9A80:C548:2BB6:97BE:D683">2001:7D0:81F8:9A80:C548:2BB6:97BE:D683</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-2001:7D0:81F8:9A80:C548:2BB6:97BE:D683-20241007134200-Administrative_division_categories" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Chapman" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chapman-20241013171500"><a href="/wiki/Q80462" title="Q80462">Chapman</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=102" title="Edit section: Chapman">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Please explain why you felt it necessary to restore a) vandalism (re: "Costa"), and b) the statement that Chapman has 0 children (which, while true, is not useful). Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User:DragonflySixtyseven">DS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User talk:DragonflySixtyseven">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241013171500-Chapman" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Also, in no way is "Beatlemania" an occupation. It's not even what motivated Chapman. <a href="/wiki/User:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User:DragonflySixtyseven">DS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User talk:DragonflySixtyseven">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241013173800-DragonflySixtyseven-20241013171500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User:DragonflySixtyseven"><bdi>DragonflySixtyseven</bdi></a>: a) I agree about "Costa", my mistake, fixed. b) I don't agree that number of children is useless information. c) I agree that Beatlemania is not an occupation, but it should be somehow presented. May be <a href="/wiki/Property:P1050" title="Property:P1050">medical condition (P1050)</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20241014192700-DragonflySixtyseven-20241013173800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>To repeat: Beatlemania isn't what motivated Chapman. He'd been a fan of the Beatles earlier, but subsequently changed his mind. And you can't call it a "medical condition", no more than you could use that term for <a href="/wiki/Q483279" title="Q483279">Wikimania</a> or <a href="/wiki/Q35516" title="Q35516">Wrestlemania</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User:DragonflySixtyseven">DS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DragonflySixtyseven" title="User talk:DragonflySixtyseven">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-DragonflySixtyseven-20241014203300-Infovarius-20241014192700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 14 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rus'_language" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rus'_language-20241016175600">Rus' language</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=103" title="Edit section: Rus' language">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Re <a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q35228&oldid=prev&diff=2261499876">[5]</a> - I was trying to fix the issue that @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Silar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Silar (page does not exist)"><bdi>Silar</bdi></a>: was raising at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Rus%27_language" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Rus' language">commons:Category:Rus' language</a> (vs. <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Old_East_Slavic" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Old East Slavic">commons:Category:Old East Slavic</a>). Could you talk with them about it? Either we should have multiple Wikidata items matching the Commons categories, or we shouldn't have two Commons categories... Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Peel" title="User:Mike Peel">Mike Peel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Peel" title="User talk:Mike Peel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Mike_Peel-20241016175600-Rus'_language" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 16 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Peel" title="User:Mike Peel"><bdi>Mike Peel</bdi></a>: <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Rus%27_language" class="extiw" title="commons:Category:Rus' language">commons:Category:Rus' language</a> is a strange language that looks like an original invention. It has definitely not a code "orv". It's not an Old East Slavic. I don't know what to do with it. Probably separate item with single link. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20241017204200-Mike_Peel-20241016175600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="charge_(P1595)" data-mw-thread-id="h-charge_(P1595)-20241017200000"><a href="/wiki/Property:P1595" title="Property:P1595">charge (P1595)</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=104" title="Edit section: charge (P1595)">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> Hi, I did a batch removing all <a href="/wiki/Property:P1595" title="Property:P1595">charge (P1595)</a> statements from human items, since the property is meant only for legal case/trial items, not humans. I <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q112222097&diff=prev&oldid=2261844915">added</a> the charge = child abduction to <a href="/wiki/Q112222097" title="Q112222097">child abductions in the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Q112222097)</a> where Putin is named as one of the people accused. <a href="/wiki/User:Samoasambia" title="User:Samoasambia">Samoasambia</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samoasambia" title="User talk:Samoasambia">✎</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Samoasambia-20241017200000-charge_(P1595)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Samoasambia" title="User:Samoasambia"><bdi>Samoasambia</bdi></a>: Hi, I saw this constraint and find it strange. How to model situations when accusation was made but no punishment followed? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20241017203100-Samoasambia-20241017200000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I think that choise has been taken to protect <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:LP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:LP">living people</a>. Some living people might face negative consequences if we add accusations without a conviction. <a href="/wiki/User:Samoasambia" title="User:Samoasambia">Samoasambia</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samoasambia" title="User talk:Samoasambia">✎</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Samoasambia-20241018171100-Infovarius-20241017203100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit-20241018190200">Edit</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=105" title="Edit section: Edit">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://w.wiki/BaeG">Yes</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Bosogo" title="User:Bosogo">Bosogo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bosogo" title="User talk:Bosogo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Bosogo-20241018190200-Edit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Remove_Q50231_as_subclass_of_Q41761295" data-mw-thread-id="h-Remove_Q50231_as_subclass_of_Q41761295-20241021071700">Remove Q50231 as subclass of Q41761295</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=106" title="Edit section: Remove Q50231 as subclass of Q41761295">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> I want to explain why I want to remove <a href="/wiki/Q50231" title="Q50231">administrative territorial entity of the People's Republic of China (Q50231)</a> as a subclass of <a href="/wiki/Q41761295" title="Q41761295">administrative territorial entity of China (Q41761295)</a>. It's because right now <a href="/wiki/Q50231" title="Q50231">administrative territorial entity of the People's Republic of China (Q50231)</a> is a subclass of <a href="/wiki/Q19953632" title="Q19953632">former administrative territorial entity (Q19953632)</a> which does not make sense. So if you want to get a list of all former administrative divisions, you will also get all current divisions of PRC. And since there are so many of them, e.g. this query times out: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://w.wiki/BcXg">https://w.wiki/BcXg</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bjoe1839&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bjoe1839 (page does not exist)">Bjoe1839</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bjoe1839&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Bjoe1839 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Bjoe1839-20241021071700-Remove_Q50231_as_subclass_of_Q41761295" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q111635220_and_Q3419503" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q111635220_and_Q3419503-20241024203500"><a href="/wiki/Q111635220" title="Q111635220">Q111635220</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q3419503" title="Q3419503">Q3419503</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=107" title="Edit section: Q111635220 and Q3419503">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> explaination for the merge revert? one is almost empty, no reason to have it separate imho. 52playing cards are (generally) french cards and french cards are (generally if not always) 52cards. moreover the "standard 52-card deck" is <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> of <a href="/wiki/Q3177840" title="Q3177840">French-suited playing cards (Q3177840)</a> so again another reason for merge <a href="/wiki/User:GiovanniPen" title="User:GiovanniPen">GiovanniPen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GiovanniPen" title="User talk:GiovanniPen">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-GiovanniPen-20241024203500-Q111635220_and_Q3419503" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="domesticated_pigeon_(Q204179)" data-mw-thread-id="h-domesticated_pigeon_(Q204179)-20241102211100"><a href="/wiki/Q204179" title="Q204179">domesticated pigeon (Q204179)</a></h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=108" title="Edit section: domesticated pigeon (Q204179)">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> When are you going to delete the rest of the redundant aliases off of this item? You've left quite a few behind. - <a href="/wiki/User:Yupik" title="User:Yupik">Yupik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yupik" title="User talk:Yupik">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Yupik-20241102211100-domesticated_pigeon_(Q204179)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 2 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>You're obviously on Wikidata since you're busy reverting my edits again. Are you going to bother to answer the question and/or do something about what you've left behind? - <a href="/wiki/User:Yupik" title="User:Yupik">Yupik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yupik" title="User talk:Yupik">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Yupik-20241113231400-Yupik-20241102211100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>I've done it, didn't you see the history? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20241117212500-Yupik-20241113231400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>]</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Q174069" data-mw-thread-id="h-Q174069-20241117095300">Q174069</h2>[<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Infovarius&action=edit&section=109" title="Edit section: Q174069">edit</a>]<div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <a href="/wiki/Q174069" title="Q174069">Н (Q174069)</a> is not <a href="/wiki/Property:P460" title="Property:P460">said to be the same as</a> <a href="/wiki/Q9937" title="Q9937">N (Q9937)</a>. That are different Symbols. <a href="/wiki/User:Yuriklim" title="User:Yuriklim">Yuriklim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yuriklim" title="User talk:Yuriklim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Yuriklim-20241117095300-Q174069" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Yuriklim" title="User:Yuriklim"><bdi>Yuriklim</bdi></a>: They are equivalent in transliteration (because has the same sound). --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a class="mw-selflink selflink">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius#c-Infovarius-20241117212600-Yuriklim-20241117095300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a>[<a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a>] <dl><dd>Yes, but this doesn't mean that they are the same. 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