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To put the explanation into words might be: several delay stages depend on successfully getting through each previous delay stage. The first delay is applied to the positive supply. When successfully detected, another delay begins while the negative supply becomes stable. When that is successful, another delay begins (C10 does the task at this point). Then both supplies are passed through to the rest of the circuit.<br /> <br /> It&#039;s not obvious from looking at the schematic but it performs some back-and-forth notification between the positive and negative sides. It&#039;s not easy to see there&#039;s a teeter-totter effect at work causing the different delay functions. Adjustments are necessary to many components, before the output timing occurs as you desire.<br /> <br /> I can believe this part of the project is important because the turn-On sequence should be accomplished before any signal (any voltage) arrives at the input. Practically all advice says the input(s) at any IC should not exceed 1/2 V beyond supply rails. This means you should not input a signal while the IC is Off. 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Also both outputs are not switching simultaneously and equally fast due to asymmetrical design. <br /> <br /> Don&#039;t know how important these features are for you. 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Oct 16, 2024 at 12:57 PM"> <article class="message-body js-selectToQuote"> <div itemprop="text"> <div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 624287" data-quote="yefj" data-source="post: 1782240" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1782240" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1782240">yefj said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hello, node &quot;e&quot; is rising from -12V after the pulses stabilize.<br /> There are PMOS and NMOS which need to be open simultaniosly.<br /> What is the logic in using NPN with a diode to open these mosfets?<br /> Also why M1 has 100uF capacitor at the gate while M2 has only resistors?<br /> Thanks. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>It&#039;s a complicated circuit. Some questions are best answered by the designer. And some problems stand out. Node &#039;e&#039; is where two op amps output directly to each other. Perhaps they have high output impedance nevertheless it&#039;s not usual electronics practice.<br /> <br /> At left of the op amps are Wheatstone bridges, one for positive, one for negative polarity. Conceivably the time-delay capacitors truly accomplish their purpose. <br /> <br /> I&#039;ve been wondering whether the circuit can be distilled into simpler topology by using IC&#039;s. Its operation would become easier to grasp. For instance logic gates have their built-in threshold of supplyV/2 where they change state. Optocouplers can ease the communication between positive and negative polarities.</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd">&nbsp;</div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/threads/analog-design-solution-of-pulse-creator-question.412689/reply?quote=1782295" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Reply, quoting this message" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/posts/1782295/quote">Reply</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <br/> <div class="js-historyTarget message-historyTarget toggleTarget" data-href="trigger-href"></div> </footer> 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conducted at 1.3V +/-0.1{ Vbe + diode}<br /> <br /> Still no specs with a timing diagram for all states and no way to judge any design if it works. Where is your on/off sequencer? show it in a timing diagram first. 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Even if you manage to adjust the thresholds, voltage rise time of + and - output will be different and load dependend though.</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd">&nbsp;</div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/threads/analog-design-solution-of-pulse-creator-question.412689/reply?quote=1782313" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Reply, quoting this message" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/posts/1782313/quote">Reply</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <br/> <div class="js-historyTarget message-historyTarget toggleTarget" 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Define clear, testable specs first before asking how to do it. A good design will have fault detection built in so you do not blow $1k+ FET because of a failure of a one-cent part, insufficient solder joint, or worn-out cap.<br /> <br /> When the supply voltages are in range, a logic level and an analog switch or BJT can be used to switch power FETs.<br /> <br /> Don&#039;t try to overthink this or get stuck with analog sequences that are not reversible. <br /> <br /> Define the Voltage OK tolerance thresholds when the required logic inputs OK are valid, then proceed to the next valid step using <i>simple registers as a &quot;state machine.&quot;</i> <br /> Are these <i>foreign </i>words? 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analog OK decisions then fast logic switches controlled by a logic sequencer.<br /> FVM was thinking the same and maybe restart, as I have said all along. This isn&#039;t rocket science but you are resisting advice.<br /> <div class="kl_amdp_merge_message"> --- Updated <time class="u-dt" dir="auto" datetime="2024-10-16T23:28:32+0100" data-time="1729117712" data-date-string="Oct 16, 2024" data-time-string="11:28 PM" title="Oct 16, 2024 at 11:28 PM">Oct 16, 2024</time> --- </div><br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 624287" data-quote="yefj" data-source="post: 1782330" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=1782330" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1782330">yefj said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hello FVM, could you give intuition regarding why slow pulses makes the output voltage dependent on the load ?<br /> Why in fast pulses we don have load dependancy?<br /> Thanks . </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Load regulation output voltage error depends on the resistance ratio of source to the (source + load). Normally Load Regulation error on linear regulators is 1%, meaning the driver is &gt;=100 times lower than the load R at max current. If your load current increases rapidly while the transistor is turning on and both now are lowering resistance, or you ar driving a low ESR gate capacitance there may be a large initial error in one supply (read as delay) which has more capacitance in the load. But logic switching design is when DC supplies are; stable, &quot;Good V&quot; or OK, and &lt; 1% load reg. error expected so a fast logic transition drives the output (unless there is a reason not to). It is rather undefined since your load is undefined in terms of mA and C (nF)</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd">&nbsp;</div> </article> </div> <div class="message-lastEdit"> Last edited: <time class="u-dt" dir="auto" datetime="2024-10-16T23:32:12+0100" data-time="1729117932" data-date-string="Oct 16, 2024" data-time-string="11:32 PM" title="Oct 16, 2024 at 11:32 PM" itemprop="dateModified">Oct 16, 2024</time> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/threads/analog-design-solution-of-pulse-creator-question.412689/reply?quote=1782334" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Reply, quoting this 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There's a lot of back-and-forth of Yes-No decisions and an issue that occurs later on shutdown: Question: Can the same schematic perform a reverse order shutdown? And what to do if a fault happens? Do we want everything to shut down in an orderly manner?\n\nI'm remembering several weeks ago an early discussion about the startup sequence:\n\nDana suggested programmable devices:\nwww.edaboard.com/threads/voltage-delay-mechanism-question.412199/post-1779685\n\nThe amplifier datasheet has 5 lines of decision-making and smart checking. I think this looks like one of those cases that programming can succeed where linear electronic logic becomes baffling. And 5 more lines dictate the shutdown sequence.", "upvoteCount": 0, "author": { "@type": "Person", "@id": "https://www.edaboard.com/members/bradtherad.423852/", "name": "BradtheRad", "url": "https://www.edaboard.com/members/bradtherad.423852/" } }, { "@type": "Answer", "datePublished": "2024-10-25T01:04:38+00:00", "url": "https://www.edaboard.com/posts/1782862/", "text": "YOu should know the source and load impedance of each as they are different between common emitter, common collector and common source, common gate. Review these parameters and make the necessary change.", "upvoteCount": 0, "author": { "@type": "Person", "@id": "https://www.edaboard.com/members/d-a-tony-stewart.134022/", "name": "D.A.(Tony)Stewart", "url": "https://www.edaboard.com/members/d-a-tony-stewart.134022/" } }, { "@type": "Answer", "datePublished": "2024-10-24T20:56:24+00:00", "url": "https://www.edaboard.com/posts/1782858/", "text": "Hello Brad, There is an implementation very close to what I think you advised.\nAs you can see in the photo ,PMOS drain is not creating a +12V pulse on the output.\nThe NMOS drain creates -12V very well.\nWhat could cause such a behavior in the PMOS drain?\nLTspice portable folder is attached in the link below.\n\nThanks.", "upvoteCount": 0, "author": { "@type": "Person", "@id": "https://www.edaboard.com/members/yefj.624287/", "name": "yefj", "url": "https://www.edaboard.com/members/yefj.624287/" } } ] }, "publisher": { "@type": "Organization", "name": "Forum for Electronics", "description": "International Electronics Discussion Forum: EDA software, circuits, schematics, books, theory, papers, asic, pld, 8051, DSP, Network, RF, Analog Design, PCB, Service Manuals", "url": "https://www.edaboard.com" } } </script> <script> $(function(){ var notice = $('.xb-welcome-notice'); if(notice.length){ var cookie = XF.Cookie.get('hide_welcome_notice'); if(!cookie){ XF.Cookie.set('hide_welcome_notice', Date.now()); notice.show(); } else if ((Date.now() - cookie) > 8.64e+7){ XF.Cookie.set('hide_welcome_notice', Date.now()); notice.show(); } else { notice.hide(); } } }); </script> </div> </body> </html>

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