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href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B2" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Архив">архив</a>)</th><td class="navbox-list navbox-even hlist hlist-items-nowrap" style="text-align:left;border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;width:100%;padding:0px"><div style="padding:0em 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Английский язык">Английский</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B2/%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Архив/Английский язык">архив</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%90%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Арабский язык">Арабский</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%90%D1%84%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Африкаанс">Африкаанс</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Венгерский язык">Венгерский</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%92%D1%8C%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BC%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Вьетнамский язык">Вьетнамский</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%94%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Датский язык">Датский</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%80%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Ирландский язык">Ирландский</a></li> <li><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Испанский</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%8F%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Итальянский язык">Итальянский</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%9A%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Китайский язык">Китайский</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B2/%D0%9A%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Архив/Китайский язык">архив</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Корейский язык">Корейский</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Немецкий язык">Немецкий</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Нидерландский язык">Нидерландский</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B6%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Норвежский язык">Норвежский</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Польский язык">Польский</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Португальский язык">Португальский</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%A2%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Тайский язык">Тайский</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%A2%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Тибетский язык">Тибетский</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%A2%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Турецкий язык">Турецкий</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%A4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Финский язык">Финский</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%A4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%86%D1%83%D0%B7%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Французский язык">Французский</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%A3%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%83_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%A4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%86%D1%83%D0%B7%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA/" title="Служебная:Указатель по началу названия/Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Французский язык/">архив</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%A7%D0%B5%D1%88%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Чешский язык">Чешский</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%A8%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Шведский язык">Шведский</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%AF%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Википедия:Запросы на транскрипцию и транслитерацию/Японский язык">Японский</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1px">Запросы на перевод</th><td class="navbox-list navbox-odd hlist hlist-items-nowrap" style="text-align:left;border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;width:100%;padding:0px"><div style="padding:0em 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%A2%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0" title="Википедия:Форум/Трудности перевода">Единичных слов, словосочетаний и фраз</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B2/%D0%A2%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0" title="Википедия:Форум/Архив/Трудности перевода">архив</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82:%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8B/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4" title="Проект:Переводы/Запросы на перевод">Статей</a></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="navbox-group" style="width:1px">Запросы на проверку</th><td class="navbox-list navbox-even hlist hlist-items-nowrap" style="text-align:left;border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;width:100%;padding:0px"><div style="padding:0em 0.25em"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BA%D1%83_%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9" title="Википедия:Запросы на проверку географических названий">Географических названий по странам</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%A3%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%83_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BA%D1%83_%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B2/" title="Служебная:Указатель по началу названия/Википедия:Запросы на проверку географических названий/Архив/">архив</a></li></ul></li> <li><a href="/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82:%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B" title="Проект:Грамотность/Запросы">Грамотности</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%A3%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%83_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82:%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B2/" title="Служебная:Указатель по началу названия/Проект:Грамотность/Запросы/Архив/">архив</a></li></ul></li></ul> </div></td></tr><tr><td class="navbox-abovebelow" colspan="2"><div><sup>[1]</sup>Правее — языки, вынесенные на подстраницы. 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метрополитен</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Хуанхуй"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">Хуанхуй</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Maria_Teresa_Cordón"><span class="tocnumber">8</span> <span class="toctext">Maria Teresa Cordón</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Arraño"><span class="tocnumber">9</span> <span class="toctext">Arraño</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Puebla"><span class="tocnumber">10</span> <span class="toctext">Puebla</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#Provincia_de_Bolognesi"><span class="tocnumber">11</span> <span class="toctext">Provincia de Bolognesi</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#Francisco_Blake_Mora"><span class="tocnumber">12</span> <span class="toctext">Francisco Blake Mora</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#Мифология_гуанчей"><span class="tocnumber">13</span> <span class="toctext">Мифология гуанчей</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#Фернандес,_Анджи"><span class="tocnumber">14</span> <span class="toctext">Фернандес, Анджи</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#Королевский_Храм_Христа-ла-Лагуна"><span class="tocnumber">15</span> <span class="toctext">Королевский Храм Христа-ла-Лагуна</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#Soledad_Gonzalez_De_Huguet"><span class="tocnumber">16</span> <span class="toctext">Soledad Gonzalez De Huguet</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#Фамилия_Fragoso"><span class="tocnumber">17</span> <span class="toctext">Фамилия Fragoso</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#Уругвайское_имя"><span class="tocnumber">18</span> <span class="toctext">Уругвайское имя</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="#Gema_Buitron_Cortinas"><span class="tocnumber">19</span> <span class="toctext">Gema Buitron Cortinas</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#Сциоли_→_Шоли"><span class="tocnumber">20</span> <span class="toctext">Сциоли → Шоли</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="#Alfonso_Celis_Enecoiz_Jr."><span class="tocnumber">21</span> <span class="toctext">Alfonso Celis Enecoiz Jr.</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="#Корнелла,_Жоан"><span class="tocnumber">22</span> <span class="toctext">Корнелла, Жоан</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-23"><a href="#Fernando_de_Szyszlo"><span class="tocnumber">23</span> <span class="toctext">Fernando de Szyszlo</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-24"><a href="#José_Pedro_Pozzi_в_статье_Епархия_Альто-Валье-дель-Рио-Негро"><span class="tocnumber">24</span> <span class="toctext">José Pedro Pozzi в статье Епархия Альто-Валье-дель-Рио-Негро</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-25"><a href="#Cicaré"><span class="tocnumber">25</span> <span class="toctext">Cicaré</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-26"><a href="#Francisco_Fabián_y_Fuero"><span class="tocnumber">26</span> <span class="toctext">Francisco Fabián y Fuero</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-27"><a href="#José_de_León_Toral"><span class="tocnumber">27</span> <span class="toctext">José de León Toral</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-28"><a href="#Ибероамериканский_или_Иберо-Американский"><span class="tocnumber">28</span> <span class="toctext">Ибероамериканский или Иберо-Американский</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-29"><a href="#Joaquín_«Ximo»_Navarro"><span class="tocnumber">29</span> <span class="toctext">Joaquín «Ximo» Navarro</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-30"><a href="#María_Paola_Pliego_Lara"><span class="tocnumber">30</span> <span class="toctext">María Paola Pliego Lara</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-31"><a href="#Сильва_Наццари,_Роберто"><span class="tocnumber">31</span> <span class="toctext">Сильва Наццари, Роберто</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-32"><a href="#Педро_де_Алькантара_Тельес-Хирон-и-Альфонсо-Пиментель"><span class="tocnumber">32</span> <span class="toctext">Педро де Алькантара Тельес-Хирон-и-Альфонсо-Пиментель</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-33"><a href="#Арбунич_Кастро,_Джованна"><span class="tocnumber">33</span> <span class="toctext">Арбунич Кастро, Джованна</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-34"><a href="#Ордас_Вальдес,_Лизандра_Тереза"><span class="tocnumber">34</span> <span class="toctext">Ордас Вальдес, Лизандра Тереза</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-35"><a href="#Акансех"><span class="tocnumber">35</span> <span class="toctext">Акансех</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-36"><a href="#Cerro_Hú"><span class="tocnumber">36</span> <span class="toctext">Cerro Hú</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-37"><a href="#Эйзагуэрри_Флорис,_Мария"><span class="tocnumber">37</span> <span class="toctext">Эйзагуэрри Флорис, Мария</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-38"><a href="#Faro_de_Pechiguera"><span class="tocnumber">38</span> <span class="toctext">Faro de Pechiguera</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-39"><a href="#Эхарте,_Рикардо"><span class="tocnumber">39</span> <span class="toctext">Эхарте, Рикардо</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-40"><a href="#Georgina_Amorós_Sagrera"><span class="tocnumber">40</span> <span class="toctext">Georgina Amorós Sagrera</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-41"><a href="#Альба,_Хакобо_Фитц-Джеймс_Стюарт_(1821)_и_его_родня"><span class="tocnumber">41</span> <span class="toctext">Альба, Хакобо Фитц-Джеймс Стюарт (1821) и его родня</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-42"><a href="#Агустин_Дуран"><span class="tocnumber">42</span> <span class="toctext">Агустин Дуран</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-43"><a href="#es:Joane_Somarriba"><span class="tocnumber">43</span> <span class="toctext">es:Joane Somarriba</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-44"><a href="#es:Ian_Subiabre"><span class="tocnumber">44</span> <span class="toctext">es:Ian Subiabre</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-45"><a href="#Дейви_Вера_Сигуэнас"><span class="tocnumber">45</span> <span class="toctext">Дейви Вера Сигуэнас</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-46"><a href="#Los_Adaes"><span class="tocnumber">46</span> <span class="toctext">Los Adaes</span></a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Хуан_Мануэль_Фернандес_Пачеко" data-mw-thread-id="h-Хуан_Мануэль_Фернандес_Пачеко-2019-06-01T16:15:00.000Z"><span id=".D0.A5.D1.83.D0.B0.D0.BD_.D0.9C.D0.B0.D0.BD.D1.83.D1.8D.D0.BB.D1.8C_.D0.A4.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.BD.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0.B4.D0.B5.D1.81_.D0.9F.D0.B0.D1.87.D0.B5.D0.BA.D0.BE"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Хуан_Мануэль_Фернандес_Пачеко-2019-06-01T16:15:00.000Z"></span>Хуан Мануэль Фернандес Пачеко<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Хуан_Мануэль_Фернандес_Пачеко-2019-06-01T16:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=1" title="Редактировать код раздела «Хуан Мануэль Фернандес Пачеко»"><span>править код</span></a><span 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Как корректно назвать статью — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81_%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BE,_%D0%A5%D1%83%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%83%D1%8D%D0%BB%D1%8C" title="Фернандес Пачеко, Хуан Мануэль">Фернандес Пачеко, Хуан Мануэль</a> или иначе? --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Mvk608" title="Участник:Mvk608">Mvk608</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Mvk608" title="Обсуждение участника:Mvk608">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Mvk608-2019-06-01T16:15:00.000Z-Хуан_Мануэль_Фернандес_Пачеко" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 1 июня 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mvk608-2019-06-01T16:15:00.000Z-Хуан_Мануэль_Фернандес_Пачеко"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mvk608-2019-06-01T16:15:00.000Z-Хуан_Мануэль_Фернандес_Пачеко"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2019-06-01T16:39:00.000Z-Mvk608-2019-06-01T16:15:00.000Z"></span>Именно так. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2019-06-01T16:39:00.000Z-Mvk608-2019-06-01T16:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 1 июня 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2019-06-01T16:39:00.000Z-Mvk608-2019-06-01T16:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2019-06-01T16:39:00.000Z-Mvk608-2019-06-01T16:15:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mvk608-2019-06-01T17:07:00.000Z-Vcohen-2019-06-01T16:39:00.000Z"></span>Спасибо, коллега.--<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Mvk608" title="Участник:Mvk608">Mvk608</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Mvk608" title="Обсуждение участника:Mvk608">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Mvk608-2019-06-01T17:07:00.000Z-Vcohen-2019-06-01T16:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:07, 1 июня 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mvk608-2019-06-01T17:07:00.000Z-Vcohen-2019-06-01T16:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=2" title="Редактировать код раздела «Бургос, Хавьер де»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schekinov_Alexey_Victorovich-2015-04-09T20:02:00.000Z-Бургос,_Хавьер_де"></span>Распишите полное имя (исп. Francisco Javier de Burgos y del Olmo), пожалуйста. Лучше сразу в самой статье. Спс. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Schekinov_Alexey_Victorovich" title="Участник:Schekinov Alexey Victorovich"><span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:green ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Данко</span></a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Schekinov_Alexey_Victorovich-2015-04-09T20:02:00.000Z-Бургос,_Хавьер_де" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 9 апреля 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schekinov_Alexey_Victorovich-2015-04-09T20:02:00.000Z-Бургос,_Хавьер_де"><span 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<a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Dstary-2007-02-22T06:10:00.000Z-Три_имени" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:10, 22 февраля 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dstary-2007-02-22T06:10:00.000Z-Три_имени"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dstary-2007-02-22T06:10:00.000Z-Три_имени"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dstary-2007-02-22T06:41:00.000Z-Dstary-2007-02-22T06:10:00.000Z"></span>Гиорхе Диас Лорен, Юлиески Гоурриэль Кастийо (Кастильо), Йоандри Урхейес (Урхельес). Насчёт второго имени не уверен. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Isoliom" title="Участник:Isoliom"><font color="green">Īşółîöṁ</font></a> <a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Isoliom" title="Обсуждение участника:Isoliom"><sup>!?</sup></a> 06:25, 22.02.2007 (UTC)</li></ul> <dl><dd>Вы уверены? У меня есть таблицы Д. И. Ермоловича - там написано, что g перед i читается как "х", а i перед е - читается как "ье". --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Dstary" title="Участник:Dstary">Dstary</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Dstary-2007-02-22T06:41:00.000Z-Dstary-2007-02-22T06:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:41, 22 февраля 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dstary-2007-02-22T06:41:00.000Z-Dstary-2007-02-22T06:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dstary-2007-02-22T06:41:00.000Z-Dstary-2007-02-22T06:10:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aza-2007-04-22T14:42:00.000Z-Dstary-2007-02-22T06:10:00.000Z"></span>Только Кастильо и только Урхельес. Смотрите таблицы. Первое имя, скорее всего, Джордж. Кубинцы и прочие карибские товарищи очень любят называть детей иностранными именами, не имея при этом никакого представления об орфографии этих самых имен. Таким образом: Джордж Диас Лорен, Юлиески Гуррьель Кастильо, Йоандри Урхельес Кобас. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Aza&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Участник:Aza (страница отсутствует)">Aza</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Aza-2007-04-22T14:42:00.000Z-Dstary-2007-02-22T06:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:42, 22 апреля 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aza-2007-04-22T14:42:00.000Z-Dstary-2007-02-22T06:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aza-2007-04-22T14:42:00.000Z-Dstary-2007-02-22T06:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dstary-2007-02-22T08:09:00.000Z-Aza-2007-04-22T14:42:00.000Z"></span>В общем, точных аналогов русских звуков подобрать нельзя, но вы правы, скорее всё-таки "х". А насчёт ie - можно и так и так. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Isoliom" title="Участник:Isoliom"><font color="green">Īşółîöṁ</font></a> <a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Isoliom" title="Обсуждение участника:Isoliom"><sup>!?</sup></a> 07:08, 22.02.2007 (UTC) <dl><dd>Ясно, спасибо.--<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Dstary" title="Участник:Dstary">Dstary</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Dstary-2007-02-22T08:09:00.000Z-Aza-2007-04-22T14:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 22 февраля 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dstary-2007-02-22T08:09:00.000Z-Aza-2007-04-22T14:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dstary-2007-02-22T08:09:00.000Z-Aza-2007-04-22T14:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2007-02-22T09:16:00.000Z-Три_имени"></span>Вообще какие-то странные для испанского имена, откуда они? Giorge по-испански вроде обычно Jorge Хорхе, да Yulieski с Yoandri не очень смахивают на испанские. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Koryakov_Yuri" title="Участник:Koryakov Yuri">Koryakov Yuri</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Koryakov_Yuri-2007-02-22T09:16:00.000Z-Три_имени" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:16, 22 февраля 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2007-02-22T09:16:00.000Z-Три_имени"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2007-02-22T09:16:00.000Z-Три_имени"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dstary-2007-02-22T22:18:00.000Z-Koryakov_Yuri-2007-02-22T09:16:00.000Z"></span>Согласен, меня тоже как-то имена смутили. Точно ли это испанцы? Фамилии нормальные, но вот имена необычные, по-этому точность транскрипции гарантировать нельзя. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Isoliom" title="Участник:Isoliom"><font color="green">Īşółîöṁ</font></a> <a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Isoliom" title="Обсуждение участника:Isoliom"><sup>!?</sup></a> 17:06, 22.02.2007 (UTC) <dl><dd>Это товарищи с острова Свободы. Изначально упоминаются здесь: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_baseball" class="extiw" title="en:List of Olympic medalists in baseball">en:List of Olympic medalists in baseball</a>. Первоисточник вот тут: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.olympic.org/uk/athletes/results/search_r_uk.asp">[1]</a>.--<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Dstary" title="Участник:Dstary">Dstary</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Dstary-2007-02-22T22:18:00.000Z-Koryakov_Yuri-2007-02-22T09:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 22 февраля 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dstary-2007-02-22T22:18:00.000Z-Koryakov_Yuri-2007-02-22T09:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dstary-2007-02-22T22:18:00.000Z-Koryakov_Yuri-2007-02-22T09:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2007-02-22T22:35:00.000Z-Dstary-2007-02-22T22:18:00.000Z"></span>Улётные у них имена. Особенно хорош вот этот: Vicyohandri Odelín Sanamé. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Koryakov_Yuri" title="Участник:Koryakov Yuri">Koryakov Yuri</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Koryakov_Yuri-2007-02-22T22:35:00.000Z-Dstary-2007-02-22T22:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 22 февраля 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2007-02-22T22:35:00.000Z-Dstary-2007-02-22T22:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2007-02-22T22:35:00.000Z-Dstary-2007-02-22T22:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Soul_Train-2010-10-06T07:36:00.000Z-Koryakov_Yuri-2007-02-22T22:35:00.000Z"></span>А вы бы посмотрели на имена и фамилии, казалось бы, испаноязычных костариканцев, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Costa_Rican_footballers" class="extiw" title="en:Category:Costa Rican footballers">вот здесь</a> - Steven Bryce, Errol Daniels, Gerald Drummond, Jervis Drummond, Neighel Drummond, Windell Gabriels, Denis Hamlett, Dexter Lewis, Jonathan McDonald, Dennis Marshall, Roy Miller, Roy Myers, Reynaldo Parks, Winston Parks, Erick Scott, Jody Stewart, William Sunsing, Harold Wallace, Kendall Watson, Whayne Wilson, Johnny Woodly Lambert и т.д.--<span style="background:LightBlue;color:black"><a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Soul_Train" title="Участник:Soul Train"><font color="black">Soul</font> <font color="white">Train</font></a></span> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Soul_Train-2010-10-06T07:36:00.000Z-Koryakov_Yuri-2007-02-22T22:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:36, 6 октября 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Soul_Train-2010-10-06T07:36:00.000Z-Koryakov_Yuri-2007-02-22T22:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Soul_Train-2010-10-06T07:36:00.000Z-Koryakov_Yuri-2007-02-22T22:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Андрей_Романенко-2010-10-06T10:39:00.000Z-Soul_Train-2010-10-06T07:36:00.000Z"></span>Ну, это просто нормальные английские имена и фамилии. Статья <a href="/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%86%D1%8B" title="Костариканцы">Костариканцы</a> и сообщает нам, что чернокожая часть населения до некоторой степени англоязычна. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE" title="Участник:Андрей Романенко">Андрей Романенко</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Андрей_Романенко-2010-10-06T10:39:00.000Z-Soul_Train-2010-10-06T07:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:39, 6 октября 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Андрей_Романенко-2010-10-06T10:39:00.000Z-Soul_Train-2010-10-06T07:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Андрей_Романенко-2010-10-06T10:39:00.000Z-Soul_Train-2010-10-06T07:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Leks1981&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Участник:Leks1981 (страница отсутствует)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Дос_Сантуш-2010-06-02T21:05:00.000Z-Три_имени"></span>Участник:Leks1981</a> интересуется, правильно ли обозвана статья об <a href="/wiki/%D0%94%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%BA%D0%BE,_%D0%96%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B0" class="mw-redirect" title="Дулко, Жисела">этой даме</a> ? В качестве со-источника для ответа можно привлечь <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLFSAmCGTv4">это</a>.--<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%94%D0%BE%D1%81_%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%83%D1%88" class="mw-redirect" title="Участник:Дос Сантуш">Дос Сантуш</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Дос_Сантуш-2010-06-02T21:05:00.000Z-Три_имени" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 2 июня 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Дос_Сантуш-2010-06-02T21:05:00.000Z-Три_имени"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Дос_Сантуш-2010-06-02T21:05:00.000Z-Три_имени"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Испанские_святые" data-mw-thread-id="h-Испанские_святые-2010-07-26T13:36:00.000Z"><span id=".D0.98.D1.81.D0.BF.D0.B0.D0.BD.D1.81.D0.BA.D0.B8.D0.B5_.D1.81.D0.B2.D1.8F.D1.82.D1.8B.D0.B5"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Испанские_святые-2010-07-26T13:36:00.000Z"></span>Испанские святые<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Испанские_святые-2010-07-26T13:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=4" title="Редактировать код раздела «Испанские святые»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rartat-2010-07-26T13:36:00.000Z-Испанские_святые"></span>Помогите разобраться с именами и фамилиями испанских святых; правильно ли я их перевел?: </p> <ul><li>Francesco Gil de Federich de Sans – Хиль де Федерик де Санс, Франциск (Франсеско, какое-то итальянское имя)</li> <li>Domingo Henares de Zafra Cubero - Энарес де Сафра Куберо, Доминик (Доминго)</li> <li>Pedro Josep Almató y Ribera Auras – Альмато-и-Рибера Аурас, Петр Иосиф (Педро Хосеп)</li> <li>Jacinto Casteñeda Puchasons – Кастеньеда Пучасонс, Гиацинт (Хасинто)</li> <li>Clemente Ignacio Delgado y Cebrián – Дельгадо-и-Себриан, Клемент Игнатий (Клементе Игнасио)</li> <li>Jeronimo Hermosilla Aransáez – Эрмосилья Арансаэс, Иероним (Херонимо)</li> <li>Mateo Alonso de Leciniana – Алонсо де Лесиньяна, Матфей (Матео)</li> <li>José María Díaz Sanjurjo – Диас Санхурхо, Иосиф Мария (Хосе Мария)</li> <li>José Melchór García-Sampedro Suárez – Гарсия-Сампедро Суарес, Иосиф Мельхиор (Хосе Мелькор - ?)</li></ul> <p>--<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Rartat" title="Участник:Rartat">Rartat</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Rartat-2010-07-26T13:36:00.000Z-Испанские_святые" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 26 июля 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rartat-2010-07-26T13:36:00.000Z-Испанские_святые"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rartat-2010-07-26T13:36:00.000Z-Испанские_святые"></span> </p> <ul><li><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2010-07-27T07:10:00.000Z-Rartat-2010-07-26T13:36:00.000Z"></span>Не совсем. Исправил кое-где. На всякий случай добавил в скобках транскрипцию имён, мне кажется её тоже стоит приводить в статьях после "канонического" имени. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Koryakov_Yuri" title="Участник:Koryakov Yuri">Koryakov Yuri</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Koryakov_Yuri-2010-07-27T07:10:00.000Z-Rartat-2010-07-26T13:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:10, 27 июля 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2010-07-27T07:10:00.000Z-Rartat-2010-07-26T13:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2010-07-27T07:10:00.000Z-Rartat-2010-07-26T13:36:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Amparo_Acebey" data-mw-thread-id="h-Amparo_Acebey-2010-12-07T11:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Amparo_Acebey-2010-12-07T11:05:00.000Z"></span>Amparo Acebey<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Amparo_Acebey-2010-12-07T11:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=5" title="Редактировать код раздела «Amparo Acebey»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bff-2010-12-07T11:05:00.000Z-Amparo_Acebey"></span>Amparo Acebey (Боливия) - Ампаро Асебей? --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Bff" title="Участник:Bff">Bff</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Bff-2010-12-07T11:05:00.000Z-Amparo_Acebey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:05, 7 декабря 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bff-2010-12-07T11:05:00.000Z-Amparo_Acebey"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bff-2010-12-07T11:05:00.000Z-Amparo_Acebey"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2010-12-07T12:42:00.000Z-Bff-2010-12-07T11:05:00.000Z"></span>Да. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Koryakov_Yuri" title="Участник:Koryakov Yuri">Koryakov Yuri</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Koryakov_Yuri-2010-12-07T12:42:00.000Z-Bff-2010-12-07T11:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 7 декабря 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2010-12-07T12:42:00.000Z-Bff-2010-12-07T11:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2010-12-07T12:42:00.000Z-Bff-2010-12-07T11:05:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Лимский_метрополитен" data-mw-thread-id="h-Лимский_метрополитен-2011-01-12T22:56:00.000Z"><span id=".D0.9B.D0.B8.D0.BC.D1.81.D0.BA.D0.B8.D0.B9_.D0.BC.D0.B5.D1.82.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.BF.D0.BE.D0.BB.D0.B8.D1.82.D0.B5.D0.BD"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Лимский_метрополитен-2011-01-12T22:56:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B8%D0%BC%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD" title="Лимский метрополитен">Лимский метрополитен</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Лимский_метрополитен-2011-01-12T22:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=6" title="Редактировать код раздела «Лимский метрополитен»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aleksb1-2011-01-12T22:56:00.000Z-Лимский_метрополитен"></span>Нужна помощь в переводе/транскрипции с оригинального языка на русский всех испаноязычных названий, встречающихся в статье (названия станций, линий и т. п.). Статья переведена с английской Википедии. Более полная статья есть на испанском. --<b><a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Aleksb1" class="mw-redirect" title="Участник:Aleksb1"><span style="color:#000000;">Алекс</span></a></b><sup><a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Aleksb1" class="mw-redirect" title="Обсуждение участника:Aleksb1"><span style="color:#000000;">обс</span></a></sup> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Aleksb1-2011-01-12T22:56:00.000Z-Лимский_метрополитен" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 12 января 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aleksb1-2011-01-12T22:56:00.000Z-Лимский_метрополитен"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aleksb1-2011-01-12T22:56:00.000Z-Лимский_метрополитен"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Хуанхуй" data-mw-thread-id="h-Хуанхуй-2011-01-22T13:22:00.000Z"><span id=".D0.A5.D1.83.D0.B0.D0.BD.D1.85.D1.83.D0.B9"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Хуанхуй-2011-01-22T13:22:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/%D0%A5%D1%83%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%85%D1%83%D0%B9" class="mw-redirect" title="Хуанхуй">Хуанхуй</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Хуанхуй-2011-01-22T13:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=7" title="Редактировать код раздела «Хуанхуй»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arxatiri-2011-01-22T13:22:00.000Z-Хуанхуй"></span>Название перуанского города <a class="external text" href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juanjuí">Juanjuí</a> по-моему должно передаваться как Хуанхуи, а не как <a href="/wiki/%D0%A5%D1%83%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%85%D1%83%D0%B9" class="mw-redirect" title="Хуанхуй">Хуанхуй</a>. Хорошо знающие испанский - отзовитесь. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Arxatiri" title="Участник:Arxatiri">Arxatiri</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Arxatiri-2011-01-22T13:22:00.000Z-Хуанхуй" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:22, 22 января 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arxatiri-2011-01-22T13:22:00.000Z-Хуанхуй"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arxatiri-2011-01-22T13:22:00.000Z-Хуанхуй"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Algorus-2011-01-22T13:58:00.000Z-Arxatiri-2011-01-22T13:22:00.000Z"></span>Естественно! Над i стоит графическое ударение, значит правильный вариант <b>Хуанхуи</b> с ударением на последнем слоге. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Algorus" title="Участник:Algorus">Algorus</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Algorus-2011-01-22T13:58:00.000Z-Arxatiri-2011-01-22T13:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 22 января 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Algorus-2011-01-22T13:58:00.000Z-Arxatiri-2011-01-22T13:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Algorus-2011-01-22T13:58:00.000Z-Arxatiri-2011-01-22T13:22:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2011-01-23T14:30:00.000Z-Arxatiri-2011-01-22T13:22:00.000Z"></span>Карта "Перу" от Роскартографии (1994) подтверждает: <a href="/wiki/%D0%A5%D1%83%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%85%D1%83%D0%B8" class="mw-disambig" title="Хуанхуи">Хуанхуи</a>. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Koryakov_Yuri" title="Участник:Koryakov Yuri">Koryakov Yuri</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Koryakov_Yuri-2011-01-23T14:30:00.000Z-Arxatiri-2011-01-22T13:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 23 января 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2011-01-23T14:30:00.000Z-Arxatiri-2011-01-22T13:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2011-01-23T14:30:00.000Z-Arxatiri-2011-01-22T13:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Maria_Teresa_Cordón" data-mw-thread-id="h-Maria_Teresa_Cordón-2011-01-28T19:56:00.000Z"><span id="Maria_Teresa_Cord.C3.B3n"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Maria_Teresa_Cordón-2011-01-28T19:56:00.000Z"></span>Maria Teresa Cordón<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Maria_Teresa_Cordón-2011-01-28T19:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=8" title="Редактировать код раздела «Maria Teresa Cordón»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XFI-2011-01-28T19:56:00.000Z-Maria_Teresa_Cordón"></span>Нужно помощь с передачей данного имени (основатель компании <a href="/wiki/Ubisoft_Barcelona" title="Ubisoft Barcelona">Ubisoft Barcelona</a>). <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:XFI" title="Участник:XFI">XFI</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-XFI-2011-01-28T19:56:00.000Z-Maria_Teresa_Cordón" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 28 января 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XFI-2011-01-28T19:56:00.000Z-Maria_Teresa_Cordón"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XFI-2011-01-28T19:56:00.000Z-Maria_Teresa_Cordón"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Grand_teacher-2011-01-28T20:12:00.000Z-XFI-2011-01-28T19:56:00.000Z"></span>Мария Тереса Кордон. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Grand_teacher&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Участник:Grand teacher (страница отсутствует)">Grand teacher</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Grand_teacher-2011-01-28T20:12:00.000Z-XFI-2011-01-28T19:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:12, 28 января 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Grand_teacher-2011-01-28T20:12:00.000Z-XFI-2011-01-28T19:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Grand_teacher-2011-01-28T20:12:00.000Z-XFI-2011-01-28T19:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-XFI-2011-01-28T20:21:00.000Z-Grand_teacher-2011-01-28T20:12:00.000Z"></span>Спасибо! <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:XFI" title="Участник:XFI">XFI</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-XFI-2011-01-28T20:21:00.000Z-Grand_teacher-2011-01-28T20:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 28 января 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-XFI-2011-01-28T20:21:00.000Z-Grand_teacher-2011-01-28T20:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-XFI-2011-01-28T20:21:00.000Z-Grand_teacher-2011-01-28T20:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Arraño" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arraño-2011-02-18T21:31:00.000Z"><span id="Arra.C3.B1o"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arraño-2011-02-18T21:31:00.000Z"></span>Arraño<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arraño-2011-02-18T21:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=9" title="Редактировать код раздела «Arraño»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bopsulai-2011-02-18T21:31:00.000Z-Arraño"></span>José Santos Arraño Acevedo - Аррано или Арраньо? (чилийский писатель)--<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Bopsulai" title="Участник:Bopsulai">Bopsulai</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Bopsulai-2011-02-18T21:31:00.000Z-Arraño" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 18 февраля 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bopsulai-2011-02-18T21:31:00.000Z-Arraño"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bopsulai-2011-02-18T21:31:00.000Z-Arraño"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Algorus-2011-02-19T08:10:00.000Z-Bopsulai-2011-02-18T21:31:00.000Z"></span>Арраньо</b>. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Algorus" title="Участник:Algorus">Algorus</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Algorus-2011-02-19T08:10:00.000Z-Bopsulai-2011-02-18T21:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:10, 19 февраля 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Algorus-2011-02-19T08:10:00.000Z-Bopsulai-2011-02-18T21:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Algorus-2011-02-19T08:10:00.000Z-Bopsulai-2011-02-18T21:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bopsulai-2011-02-20T20:51:00.000Z-Algorus-2011-02-19T08:10:00.000Z"></span>Спасибо, так и думал. Переименовываю. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Bopsulai" title="Участник:Bopsulai">Bopsulai</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Bopsulai-2011-02-20T20:51:00.000Z-Algorus-2011-02-19T08:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 20 февраля 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bopsulai-2011-02-20T20:51:00.000Z-Algorus-2011-02-19T08:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bopsulai-2011-02-20T20:51:00.000Z-Algorus-2011-02-19T08:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Puebla" data-mw-thread-id="h-Puebla-2011-05-31T18:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Puebla-2011-05-31T18:23:00.000Z"></span>Puebla<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Puebla-2011-05-31T18:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=10" title="Редактировать код раздела «Puebla»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.118.81.24-2011-05-31T18:23:00.000Z-Puebla"></span>Как правильно переаодится? Пуэбло или Пуэбла--<a href="/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%92%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4/217.118.81.24" title="Служебная:Вклад/217.118.81.24">217.118.81.24</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-217.118.81.24-2011-05-31T18:23:00.000Z-Puebla" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 31 мая 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.118.81.24-2011-05-31T18:23:00.000Z-Puebla"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.118.81.24-2011-05-31T18:23:00.000Z-Puebla"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ПОКА_ТУТ-2011-07-19T08:24:00.000Z-217.118.81.24-2011-05-31T18:23:00.000Z"></span>Пуэбла</b>. Испанская буква «a» не может передаваться по-русски как «о». — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%9F%D0%9E%D0%9A%D0%90_%D0%A2%D0%A3%D0%A2" title="Участник:ПОКА ТУТ">Николай</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-ПОКА_ТУТ-2011-07-19T08:24:00.000Z-217.118.81.24-2011-05-31T18:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:24, 19 июля 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ПОКА_ТУТ-2011-07-19T08:24:00.000Z-217.118.81.24-2011-05-31T18:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ПОКА_ТУТ-2011-07-19T08:24:00.000Z-217.118.81.24-2011-05-31T18:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Provincia_de_Bolognesi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Provincia_de_Bolognesi-2011-11-10T17:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Provincia_de_Bolognesi-2011-11-10T17:40:00.000Z"></span>Provincia de Bolognesi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Provincia_de_Bolognesi-2011-11-10T17:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=11" title="Редактировать код раздела «Provincia de Bolognesi»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tatewaki-2011-11-10T17:40:00.000Z-Provincia_de_Bolognesi"></span>Перуанская провинция <b>Bolognesi</b> - Болоньеси? Вообще, на будущее - <b>gn</b> везде соответствует <b>ñ</b>, или есть случаи, когда читается по правилу "g перед согласной"? <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Tatewaki" title="Участник:Tatewaki">Tatewaki</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Tatewaki-2011-11-10T17:40:00.000Z-Provincia_de_Bolognesi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 10 ноября 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tatewaki-2011-11-10T17:40:00.000Z-Provincia_de_Bolognesi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tatewaki-2011-11-10T17:40:00.000Z-Provincia_de_Bolognesi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2011-11-11T14:20:00.000Z-Tatewaki-2011-11-10T17:40:00.000Z"></span>Сложно сказать, это-то явно заимствование из итальянского, поэтому, <a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%8C%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B8&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Болоньеси (страница отсутствует)">Болоньеси</a>, а так вполне бывает и "гн", например, в <a href="/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BD-%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BE" class="mw-disambig" title="Сан-Игнасио">Сан-Игнасио</a> (San Ignacio). Свою "ñ" они так не заменяют, насколько я знаю. И кстати центр у неё <a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%A7%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%8C%D1%8F%D0%BD&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Чикьян (страница отсутствует)">Чикьян</a>, это уже по карте. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Koryakov_Yuri" title="Участник:Koryakov Yuri">Koryakov Yuri</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Koryakov_Yuri-2011-11-11T14:20:00.000Z-Tatewaki-2011-11-10T17:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 11 ноября 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2011-11-11T14:20:00.000Z-Tatewaki-2011-11-10T17:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2011-11-11T14:20:00.000Z-Tatewaki-2011-11-10T17:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tatewaki-2011-11-12T13:09:00.000Z-Koryakov_Yuri-2011-11-11T14:20:00.000Z"></span>Юрий, спасибо. Передал ваш ответ автору статьи о провинции, и у него могут возникнуть еще вопросы по перуанским названиям, так чо я дал ему ссылку сюда и на "Запросы на проверку географических названий". <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Tatewaki" title="Участник:Tatewaki">Tatewaki</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Tatewaki-2011-11-12T13:09:00.000Z-Koryakov_Yuri-2011-11-11T14:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:09, 12 ноября 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tatewaki-2011-11-12T13:09:00.000Z-Koryakov_Yuri-2011-11-11T14:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tatewaki-2011-11-12T13:09:00.000Z-Koryakov_Yuri-2011-11-11T14:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Francisco_Blake_Mora" data-mw-thread-id="h-Francisco_Blake_Mora-2011-11-18T11:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Francisco_Blake_Mora-2011-11-18T11:14:00.000Z"></span>Francisco Blake Mora<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Francisco_Blake_Mora-2011-11-18T11:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=12" title="Редактировать код раздела «Francisco Blake Mora»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-217.118.81.28-2011-11-18T11:14:00.000Z-Francisco_Blake_Mora"></span>Как переводится--<a href="/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%92%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4/217.118.81.28" title="Служебная:Вклад/217.118.81.28">217.118.81.28</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-217.118.81.28-2011-11-18T11:14:00.000Z-Francisco_Blake_Mora" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:14, 18 ноября 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-217.118.81.28-2011-11-18T11:14:00.000Z-Francisco_Blake_Mora"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-217.118.81.28-2011-11-18T11:14:00.000Z-Francisco_Blake_Mora"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Мифология_гуанчей" data-mw-thread-id="h-Мифология_гуанчей-2012-09-01T15:56:00.000Z"><span id=".D0.9C.D0.B8.D1.84.D0.BE.D0.BB.D0.BE.D0.B3.D0.B8.D1.8F_.D0.B3.D1.83.D0.B0.D0.BD.D1.87.D0.B5.D0.B9"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Мифология_гуанчей-2012-09-01T15:56:00.000Z"></span>Мифология гуанчей<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Мифология_гуанчей-2012-09-01T15:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=13" title="Редактировать код раздела «Мифология гуанчей»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rartat-2012-09-01T15:56:00.000Z-Мифология_гуанчей"></span>В русской википедии появились статьи по мифологии гуанчей <a href="/wiki/%D0%93%D1%83%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B0" title="Гуайота">Гуайота</a>, <a href="/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BA" title="Махек">Махек</a>, <a href="/wiki/%D0%90%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%83" class="mw-redirect" title="Ачаману">Ачаману</a> - подозреваю, что русская транскрипция не правильная + <a href="/wiki/Chaxiraxi" class="mw-redirect" title="Chaxiraxi">Chaxiraxi</a> - в этом случае нашёл в интернете <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://ru.forvo.com/word/chaxiraxi/">эту ссылку</a>. Как правильно - Чаксиракси или Саксиракси?--<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Rartat" title="Участник:Rartat">Rartat</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Rartat-2012-09-01T15:56:00.000Z-Мифология_гуанчей" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 1 сентября 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rartat-2012-09-01T15:56:00.000Z-Мифология_гуанчей"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rartat-2012-09-01T15:56:00.000Z-Мифология_гуанчей"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2012-09-04T15:04:00.000Z-Rartat-2012-09-01T15:56:00.000Z"></span>Если транскрибировать с испанского, то всё правильно, только непонятно откуда «у» в Ачаману, должно быть <a href="/wiki/%D0%90%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD" title="Ачаман">Ачаман</a>. <a href="/wiki/Chaxiraxi" class="mw-redirect" title="Chaxiraxi">Chaxiraxi</a> — если исходить из того, что некий эквадорец знает как оно произносится, то Чаксиракси. Но если исходить из исторического варьирования орфографии, то Чахирахи. И из общих соображений, второй вариант более вероятен. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Koryakov_Yuri" title="Участник:Koryakov Yuri">Koryakov Yuri</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Koryakov_Yuri-2012-09-04T15:04:00.000Z-Rartat-2012-09-01T15:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 4 сентября 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2012-09-04T15:04:00.000Z-Rartat-2012-09-01T15:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2012-09-04T15:04:00.000Z-Rartat-2012-09-01T15:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Фернандес,_Анджи" data-mw-thread-id="h-Фернандес,_Анджи-2012-11-04T10:15:00.000Z"><span id=".D0.A4.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.BD.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0.B4.D0.B5.D1.81.2C_.D0.90.D0.BD.D0.B4.D0.B6.D0.B8"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Фернандес,_Анджи-2012-11-04T10:15:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81,_%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B6%D0%B8" title="Фернандес, Анджи">Фернандес, Анджи</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Фернандес,_Анджи-2012-11-04T10:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=14" title="Редактировать код раздела «Фернандес, Анджи»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5:%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F#Вопрос_про_транскрипцию" title="Обсуждение:Испанско-русская практическая транскрипция"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T10:15:00.000Z-Фернандес,_Анджи"></span>Тут</a> уже пытались решить вопрос о её имени и, вроде, сошлись на версии Анджи, но анонимные участники явно с этим не согласны: заменяют на Энджи, Анхи, Анжи, Анжела... Надо придти к какому-то консенсусу окончательному. <a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Dh%C4%81rmikatva&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Участник:Dhārmikatva (страница отсутствует)">dhārmikatva</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T10:15:00.000Z-Фернандес,_Анджи" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:15, 4 ноября 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T10:15:00.000Z-Фернандес,_Анджи"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T10:15:00.000Z-Фернандес,_Анджи"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vladimir_Solovjev-2012-11-04T10:44:00.000Z-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T10:15:00.000Z"></span>Вообще по правилам испанской транскрипции Angy должно произноситься как Анхи.-- <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vladimir_Solovjev" title="Участник:Vladimir Solovjev">Vladimir Solovjev</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vladimir_Solovjev" title="Обсуждение участника:Vladimir Solovjev">обс</a></sup> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vladimir_Solovjev-2012-11-04T10:44:00.000Z-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T10:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:44, 4 ноября 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vladimir_Solovjev-2012-11-04T10:44:00.000Z-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T10:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vladimir_Solovjev-2012-11-04T10:44:00.000Z-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T10:15:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T11:37:00.000Z-Vladimir_Solovjev-2012-11-04T10:44:00.000Z"></span>Если бы было всё так просто, то я бы сюда не писал. Да, её официальное полное имя это Ángela María (Анхела Мария) и, скорее всего, именно от него она свой псевдоним и придумала (Angy), но при этом он, насколько я могу судить <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW9CXp9KgVM&feature=youtu.be&t=30s">по записи</a>, произносится не совсем по испанским правилам произношения, а авторитетного АИ, которое её имя транскрибировало бы на русский язык, нет (или он мне не известен). Два подхода: транскрибировать по правилам, но тогда произношение искажается, или транскрибировать как произносится (при этом на фан-сайтах, судя по гуглю, устоялся вариант Анжи, в Википедии — Анджи). <a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Dh%C4%81rmikatva&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Участник:Dhārmikatva (страница отсутствует)">dhārmikatva</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T11:37:00.000Z-Vladimir_Solovjev-2012-11-04T10:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:37, 4 ноября 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T11:37:00.000Z-Vladimir_Solovjev-2012-11-04T10:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T11:37:00.000Z-Vladimir_Solovjev-2012-11-04T10:44:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2012-11-04T14:30:00.000Z-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T11:37:00.000Z"></span>Подходов больше. Если по правилам, то какого языка? Видимо, английского, т.е. Анджи. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2012-11-04T14:30:00.000Z-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T11:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 4 ноября 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2012-11-04T14:30:00.000Z-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T11:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2012-11-04T14:30:00.000Z-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T11:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2012-11-04T11:02:00.000Z-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T10:15:00.000Z"></span>По ссылке сказано, что произносят не на испанский, а на английский манер, так что лучше Анджи. Или можно написать официальное имя Анхела, оно будет вызывать меньше разногласий. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2012-11-04T11:02:00.000Z-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T10:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:02, 4 ноября 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2012-11-04T11:02:00.000Z-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T10:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2012-11-04T11:02:00.000Z-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T10:15:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T11:37:00.000Z-Vcohen-2012-11-04T11:02:00.000Z"></span>При этом оно совершенно неизвестно и во всех интервиках она именно Angy. <a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Dh%C4%81rmikatva&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Участник:Dhārmikatva (страница отсутствует)">dhārmikatva</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T11:37:00.000Z-Vcohen-2012-11-04T11:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:37, 4 ноября 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T11:37:00.000Z-Vcohen-2012-11-04T11:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dhārmikatva-2012-11-04T11:37:00.000Z-Vcohen-2012-11-04T11:02:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Королевский_Храм_Христа-ла-Лагуна" data-mw-thread-id="h-Королевский_Храм_Христа-ла-Лагуна-2012-11-17T17:37:00.000Z"><span id=".D0.9A.D0.BE.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.BB.D0.B5.D0.B2.D1.81.D0.BA.D0.B8.D0.B9_.D0.A5.D1.80.D0.B0.D0.BC_.D0.A5.D1.80.D0.B8.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B0-.D0.BB.D0.B0-.D0.9B.D0.B0.D0.B3.D1.83.D0.BD.D0.B0"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Королевский_Храм_Христа-ла-Лагуна-2012-11-17T17:37:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%A5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC_%D0%A5%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%BB%D0%B0-%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B3%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B0" class="mw-redirect" title="Королевский Храм Христа-ла-Лагуна">Королевский Храм Христа-ла-Лагуна</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Королевский_Храм_Христа-ла-Лагуна-2012-11-17T17:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=15" title="Редактировать код раздела «Королевский Храм Христа-ла-Лагуна»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rartat-2012-11-17T17:37:00.000Z-Королевский_Храм_Христа-ла-Лагуна"></span>Статью написал испанец с помощью электронного переводчика. Хочу эту статью привести в порядок. У меня возник вопрос насчёт наименования статьи. Как лучше всего будет в русском варианте:</li> <li>Королевский Храм Христа де-Ла-Лагуны;</li> <li>Королевский Храм Христа Ла-Лагуны;</li> <li>Королевский Храм Христа в Ла-Лагуне;</li> <li>Королевский Храм Христа (Ла-Лагуна)?</li></ul> <p>Или чтобы не мучиться с названием просто назвать статью <i>Королевский храм Христа (Тенерифе)</i> - он на острове такой один? Спасибо.--<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Rartat" title="Участник:Rartat">Rartat</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Rartat-2012-11-17T17:37:00.000Z-Королевский_Храм_Христа-ла-Лагуна" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:37, 17 ноября 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rartat-2012-11-17T17:37:00.000Z-Королевский_Храм_Христа-ла-Лагуна"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rartat-2012-11-17T17:37:00.000Z-Королевский_Храм_Христа-ла-Лагуна"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2012-11-17T18:41:00.000Z-Rartat-2012-11-17T17:37:00.000Z"></span>Я так понимаю, это не (Храм Христа)+(в Ла-Лагуне), а (храм)(Христа Лагунского, <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sant%C3%ADsimo_Cristo_de_La_Laguna" class="extiw" title="es:Santísimo Cristo de La Laguna">es:Santísimo Cristo de La Laguna</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristo_de_La_Laguna" class="extiw" title="en:Cristo de La Laguna">en:Cristo de La Laguna</a>). Т.е. нужно решить как по-русски называется эта святыня, а от ней уже производить название храма. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Koryakov_Yuri" title="Участник:Koryakov Yuri">Koryakov Yuri</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Koryakov_Yuri-2012-11-17T18:41:00.000Z-Rartat-2012-11-17T17:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:41, 17 ноября 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2012-11-17T18:41:00.000Z-Rartat-2012-11-17T17:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Koryakov_Yuri-2012-11-17T18:41:00.000Z-Rartat-2012-11-17T17:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Soledad_Gonzalez_De_Huguet" data-mw-thread-id="h-Soledad_Gonzalez_De_Huguet-2015-03-03T16:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Soledad_Gonzalez_De_Huguet-2015-03-03T16:42:00.000Z"></span>Soledad Gonzalez De Huguet<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Soledad_Gonzalez_De_Huguet-2015-03-03T16:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=16" title="Редактировать код раздела «Soledad Gonzalez De Huguet»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Volcanus-2015-03-03T16:42:00.000Z-Soledad_Gonzalez_De_Huguet"></span>Соледад Гонсалес де Угет? -- <a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Volcanus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Участник:Volcanus (страница отсутствует)">Volcanus</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Volcanus-2015-03-03T16:42:00.000Z-Soledad_Gonzalez_De_Huguet" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 3 марта 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Volcanus-2015-03-03T16:42:00.000Z-Soledad_Gonzalez_De_Huguet"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Volcanus-2015-03-03T16:42:00.000Z-Soledad_Gonzalez_De_Huguet"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrеs-2015-03-03T17:41:00.000Z-Soledad_Gonzalez_De_Huguet"></span>Да. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Andr%D0%B5s" class="mw-redirect" title="Участник:Andrеs">Andres</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Andrеs-2015-03-03T17:41:00.000Z-Soledad_Gonzalez_De_Huguet" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 3 марта 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrеs-2015-03-03T17:41:00.000Z-Soledad_Gonzalez_De_Huguet"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrеs-2015-03-03T17:41:00.000Z-Soledad_Gonzalez_De_Huguet"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Фамилия_Fragoso" data-mw-thread-id="h-Фамилия_Fragoso-2015-06-13T12:43:00.000Z"><span id=".D0.A4.D0.B0.D0.BC.D0.B8.D0.BB.D0.B8.D1.8F_Fragoso"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Фамилия_Fragoso-2015-06-13T12:43:00.000Z"></span>Фамилия Fragoso<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Фамилия_Fragoso-2015-06-13T12:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=17" title="Редактировать код раздела «Фамилия Fragoso»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tatewaki-2015-06-13T12:43:00.000Z-Фамилия_Fragoso"></span>Хотелось бы уточнить по этой фамилии в Мексике, в частности, как "материнской фамилии" у <a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE,_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%AD%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B0" title="Веласко, Мария Элена">Веласко, Мария Элена</a><span style="font-style:normal; font-weight:bold;"><sup class="noprint"><a href="/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:%D0%9D%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE#Если_существует_статья" title="Шаблон:Не переведено"><span style="color:red;"><span title="Уберите шаблон «Не переведено» из статьи и замените его простой вики-ссылкой">?!</span></span></a></sup></span> (перевожу по ней статью). Помимо нее и также мексиканского футболиста Javier Fragoso (оба без русских источников) встречается практически только у португальцев и бразильцев. Соответственно, передавать "с испанского" Фрагосо или предполагать португальские корни и писать Фрагозу? <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Tatewaki" title="Участник:Tatewaki">Tatewaki</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Tatewaki-2015-06-13T12:43:00.000Z-Фамилия_Fragoso" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 13 июня 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tatewaki-2015-06-13T12:43:00.000Z-Фамилия_Fragoso"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tatewaki-2015-06-13T12:43:00.000Z-Фамилия_Fragoso"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Юлия_70-2015-07-27T20:04:00.000Z-Tatewaki-2015-06-13T12:43:00.000Z"></span>Передавайте как Фрагосо, раз испаноязычная <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.google.ru/search?tbm=bks&hl=ru&q=Фрагосо">[2]</a>. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%AE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%8F_70" title="Участник:Юлия 70">Юлия 70</a> <a 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href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=18" title="Редактировать код раздела «Уругвайское имя»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r138740185">.mw-parser-output .t-Перенесено-movedBox{font-size:85%;background:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,#fef6e7);padding:0.25em 0.25em 0.25em 1em;border:1px dotted 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Monedula-2015-07-21T10:34:00.000Z-Mvk608-2015-07-21T06:59:00.000Z"></span>Адо́льфо Элисайнси́н. — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Monedula" title="Участник:Monedula">Monedula</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Monedula-2015-07-21T10:34:00.000Z-Mvk608-2015-07-21T06:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:34, 21 июля 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Monedula-2015-07-21T10:34:00.000Z-Mvk608-2015-07-21T06:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:14, 21 июля 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mvk608-2015-07-21T11:14:00.000Z-Monedula-2015-07-21T10:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mvk608-2015-07-21T11:14:00.000Z-Monedula-2015-07-21T10:34:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Gema_Buitron_Cortinas" data-mw-thread-id="h-Gema_Buitron_Cortinas-2015-08-02T07:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Gema_Buitron_Cortinas-2015-08-02T07:32:00.000Z"></span>Gema Buitron Cortinas<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Gema_Buitron_Cortinas-2015-08-02T07:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=19" title="Редактировать код раздела «Gema Buitron Cortinas»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2015-08-02T07:32:00.000Z-Gema_Buitron_Cortinas"></span>Скажите пожалуйста, как перевести имя Gema Buitron Cortinas — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Snezny_Bars" title="Участник:Snezny Bars">Snezny Bars</a> 13:35, 1 августа <b>2015</b> (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>В первом приближении: Хема Буитрон Кортинас. Сомнения только со вторым словом: может оказаться Буйтрон, но менее вероятно. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2015-08-02T07:32:00.000Z-Gema_Buitron_Cortinas" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:32, 2 августа 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2015-08-02T07:32:00.000Z-Gema_Buitron_Cortinas"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2015-08-02T07:32:00.000Z-Gema_Buitron_Cortinas"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Snezny_Bars-2015-08-02T12:40:00.000Z-Vcohen-2015-08-02T07:32:00.000Z"></span>Спасибо — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Snezny_Bars" title="Участник:Snezny Bars">Snezny Bars</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Snezny_Bars-2015-08-02T12:40:00.000Z-Vcohen-2015-08-02T07:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 2 августа 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Snezny_Bars-2015-08-02T12:40:00.000Z-Vcohen-2015-08-02T07:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Snezny_Bars-2015-08-02T12:40:00.000Z-Vcohen-2015-08-02T07:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Сциоли_→_Шоли" data-mw-thread-id="h-Сциоли_→_Шоли-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z"><span id=".D0.A1.D1.86.D0.B8.D0.BE.D0.BB.D0.B8_.E2.86.92_.D0.A8.D0.BE.D0.BB.D0.B8"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Сциоли_→_Шоли-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z"></span>Сциоли → Шоли<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Сциоли_→_Шоли-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=20" title="Редактировать код раздела «Сциоли → Шоли»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z-Сциоли_→_Шоли"></span>Некий аноним с IP <a href="/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%92%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4/191.84.245.77" title="Служебная:Вклад/191.84.245.77">191.84.245.77</a> «переименовал» статью о этом аргентинском политике. Не встречал такой транскрипции. Не является ли эта правка вандальной? --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%9B%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%81_%D0%A4%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%81" class="mw-redirect" title="Участник:Лукас Фокс">Лукас Фокс</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z-Сциоли_→_Шоли" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 18 ноября 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z-Сциоли_→_Шоли"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z-Сциоли_→_Шоли"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2015-11-18T18:01:00.000Z-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z"></span>Пишется Scioli? Вариант Шоли соответствует транскрипции с итальянского. Вариант Сциоли - с какого-нибудь польского или чешского, но фамилия явно не польская и не чешская. Испанской не является ни та транскрипция, ни другая. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2015-11-18T18:01:00.000Z-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 18 ноября 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2015-11-18T18:01:00.000Z-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2015-11-18T18:01:00.000Z-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T18:14:00.000Z-Vcohen-2015-11-18T18:01:00.000Z"></span>Да, Scioli. В этом и проблема испаноязычных стран с их неиберийским населением. То Murature, то Dyrgalla. )) Спасибо. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%9B%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%81_%D0%A4%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%81" class="mw-redirect" title="Участник:Лукас Фокс">Лукас Фокс</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T18:14:00.000Z-Vcohen-2015-11-18T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 18 ноября 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T18:14:00.000Z-Vcohen-2015-11-18T18:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T18:14:00.000Z-Vcohen-2015-11-18T18:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrès-2015-11-18T18:17:00.000Z-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z"></span>Поскольку ещё большой вопрос, кого в Аргентине больше, потомков испанцев или потомков итальянцев, там действует негласное правило - читать итальянские фамилии по правилам итальянского языка, игнорируя испанскую транскрипцию. Лучше всего это видно на примере нынешнего <a href="/wiki/%D0%A4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA_(%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0_%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BC%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9)" title="Франциск (папа римский)">Папы</a>, который "Bergoglio". По правилам итальянской транскрипции - это "Бергольо", как его, собственно, все и именуют. По правилам испанской транскрипции это "Бергоглио", как его даже не пытался называть никто :-) --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Andr%C3%A8s" title="Участник:Andrès">Andres</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Andrès-2015-11-18T18:17:00.000Z-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 18 ноября 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrès-2015-11-18T18:17:00.000Z-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrès-2015-11-18T18:17:00.000Z-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2015-11-18T19:29:00.000Z-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z"></span>А вот на Викиданных его фамилия написана по-русски как Сиоли, и это больше соответствует двум вещам: транскрипции, которая дана в английской статье, и тому факту, что в испанском языке нет звука Ш. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2015-11-18T19:29:00.000Z-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 18 ноября 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2015-11-18T19:29:00.000Z-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2015-11-18T19:29:00.000Z-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Almir-2015-11-18T20:20:00.000Z-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z"></span>В Аргентине полно итальянцев, можно сказать, они, вместе с немцкам, сыграли большую роль в формировании нации. Scioli - безусловно итальянская фамилия. Но если посмотреть сюда (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3TI6a5oZBk">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3TI6a5oZBk</a> - это его собственный канал), то прекрасно слышно, что произносят "Сьоли". Здесь ( <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc5eBPK89GA">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc5eBPK89GA</a> , 16-20 секунды) его представляют как "Сьоли". Так что, думаю, о "Шоли" следует забыть, если нет хорошего АИ. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Almir" title="Участник:Almir">Almir</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Almir-2015-11-18T20:20:00.000Z-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 18 ноября 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Almir-2015-11-18T20:20:00.000Z-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Almir-2015-11-18T20:20:00.000Z-Лукас_Фокс-2015-11-18T17:40:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Alfonso_Celis_Enecoiz_Jr." data-mw-thread-id="h-Alfonso_Celis_Enecoiz_Jr.-2016-02-03T15:45:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Alfonso_Celis_Enecoiz_Jr.-2016-02-03T15:45:00.000Z"></span>Alfonso Celis Enecoiz Jr.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alfonso_Celis_Enecoiz_Jr.-2016-02-03T15:45:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=21" title="Редактировать код раздела «Alfonso Celis Enecoiz Jr.»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-03T15:45:00.000Z-Alfonso_Celis_Enecoiz_Jr."></span>У мексиканца имя Alfonso Celis Enecoiz Jr. Как перевести это Enecoiz? — <a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Baikal_Seal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Участник:Baikal Seal (страница отсутствует)"><b><font face="Magneto" color="DarkBlue" style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">Baikal Seal</font></b></a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-03T15:45:00.000Z-Alfonso_Celis_Enecoiz_Jr." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 3 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-03T15:45:00.000Z-Alfonso_Celis_Enecoiz_Jr."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-03T15:45:00.000Z-Alfonso_Celis_Enecoiz_Jr."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Almir-2016-02-03T16:32:00.000Z-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-03T15:45:00.000Z"></span>Это, судя по всему, часть фамилии и никак не переводится. В испанской Вики есть <a class="external text" href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8D%C3%B1iguez">статья</a>, где подробно анализируется этимология подобных имён. Похоже, они восходят к старинным дороманским именам, о происхождении которых идёт дискуссия (предполагаются пре-басконские, аквитанские и индоевропейские корни). Но, я думаю, эти подробности неактуальны в данном случае? <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Almir" title="Участник:Almir">Almir</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Almir-2016-02-03T16:32:00.000Z-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-03T15:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 3 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Almir-2016-02-03T16:32:00.000Z-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-03T15:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Almir-2016-02-03T16:32:00.000Z-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-03T15:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-03T17:48:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-03T16:32:00.000Z"></span>Ой, извините, неправильно выразился. Я имел ввиду не происхождение имени, а транслитерацию, мне нужно написать его по-русски. — <a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Baikal_Seal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Участник:Baikal Seal (страница отсутствует)"><b><font face="Magneto" color="DarkBlue" style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">Baikal Seal</font></b></a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-03T17:48:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-03T16:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 3 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-03T17:48:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-03T16:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-03T17:48:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-03T16:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Almir-2016-02-03T19:56:00.000Z-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-03T17:48:00.000Z"></span>Алфонсо Селис Энекойс. Добавка Jr., думаю, английская ("Джуниор", "младший"), сомневаюсь, что она является частью его настоящего имени. Что с ней делать, пока не знаю. Что у него в паспорте написано, откуда это Jr.? :) <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Almir" title="Участник:Almir">Almir</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Almir-2016-02-03T19:56:00.000Z-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-03T17:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 3 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Almir-2016-02-03T19:56:00.000Z-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-03T17:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Almir-2016-02-03T19:56:00.000Z-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-03T17:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2016-02-03T20:03:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-03T19:56:00.000Z"></span>Альфонсо. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2016-02-03T20:03:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-03T19:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:03, 3 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2016-02-03T20:03:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-03T19:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2016-02-03T20:03:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-03T19:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Almir-2016-02-04T08:00:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-02-03T20:03:00.000Z"></span>Да, точно, спасибо. Забыл про эту особенность практической транскрипции. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Almir" title="Участник:Almir">Almir</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Almir-2016-02-04T08:00:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-02-03T20:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:00, 4 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Almir-2016-02-04T08:00:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-02-03T20:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Almir-2016-02-04T08:00:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-02-03T20:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-04T08:18:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-04T08:00:00.000Z"></span>Да, "Jr" это приставка "младший". Про него есть <a href="/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%81,_%D0%90%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BE_(%D0%BC%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B9)" title="Селис, Альфонсо (младший)">статья</a>. Просто я не знал, как написать по-русски "Enecoiz". Спасибо Вам. — <a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Baikal_Seal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Участник:Baikal Seal (страница отсутствует)"><b><font face="Magneto" color="DarkBlue" style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">Baikal Seal</font></b></a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-04T08:18:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-04T08:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:18, 4 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-04T08:18:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-04T08:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Baikal_Seal-2016-02-04T08:18:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-04T08:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Корнелла,_Жоан" data-mw-thread-id="h-Корнелла,_Жоан-2016-02-27T18:04:00.000Z"><span id=".D0.9A.D0.BE.D1.80.D0.BD.D0.B5.D0.BB.D0.BB.D0.B0.2C_.D0.96.D0.BE.D0.B0.D0.BD"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Корнелла,_Жоан-2016-02-27T18:04:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B0,_%D0%96%D0%BE%D0%B0%D0%BD" class="mw-redirect" title="Корнелла, Жоан">Корнелла, Жоан</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Корнелла,_Жоан-2016-02-27T18:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=22" title="Редактировать код раздела «Корнелла, Жоан»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liasmi-2016-02-27T18:04:00.000Z-Корнелла,_Жоан"></span>Joan Cornellà Vázquez - сомнения в правильном написании по-русски (от этого и название статьи страдает). Прошу помочь либо здесь, либо сразу в статью изменения внести. Заранее спасибо. С уважением, <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0:Liasmi" title="Участница:Liasmi">Liasmi</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Liasmi-2016-02-27T18:04:00.000Z-Корнелла,_Жоан" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 27 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liasmi-2016-02-27T18:04:00.000Z-Корнелла,_Жоан"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liasmi-2016-02-27T18:04:00.000Z-Корнелла,_Жоан"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2016-02-27T18:29:00.000Z-Liasmi-2016-02-27T18:04:00.000Z"></span>В преамбуле правильно: Хоан Корнелья. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2016-02-27T18:29:00.000Z-Liasmi-2016-02-27T18:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 27 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2016-02-27T18:29:00.000Z-Liasmi-2016-02-27T18:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2016-02-27T18:29:00.000Z-Liasmi-2016-02-27T18:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liasmi-2016-02-27T20:33:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-02-27T18:29:00.000Z"></span>Большое спасибо! С уважением, <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0:Liasmi" title="Участница:Liasmi">Liasmi</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Liasmi-2016-02-27T20:33:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-02-27T18:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 27 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liasmi-2016-02-27T20:33:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-02-27T18:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liasmi-2016-02-27T20:33:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-02-27T18:29:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Almir-2016-02-27T22:58:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-02-27T18:29:00.000Z"></span>Боюсь, тут сложнее. Он определённо не испанец, а каталонец, и сам он произносит своё имя (говоря на испанском) как "Жоан" (или Джоан, или (Д)Жуан - зависит от интерпретации), см. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpEfp9XcAjw">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpEfp9XcAjw</a> , 27 секунда. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://namesof.com/find-Joan-cornella-pronunciation">Тут</a> (хоть это и не АИ) предлагают на слух "Жуан". <a href="/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F" title="Каталанско-русская практическая транскрипция">Каталонская транскрипция</a> прямо предлагает писать это имя "Жоан". Не помню, что говорят на эту тему правила, вроде, следует ориентироваться на произношение самого персонажа - поправьте, если ошибаюсь. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Almir" title="Участник:Almir">Almir</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Almir-2016-02-27T22:58:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-02-27T18:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 27 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Almir-2016-02-27T22:58:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-02-27T18:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Almir-2016-02-27T22:58:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-02-27T18:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nebydlogop-2016-02-28T09:34:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-27T22:58:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="(+)"><img alt="(+)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Pictogram_voting_support.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_support.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Pictogram_voting_support.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_support.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Pictogram_voting_support.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_support.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>Поддерживаю</b></span>, он испанский художник не по национальности, а по гражданству, но <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Cornell%C3%A0" class="extiw" title="en:Joan Cornellà">англичане</a> в таких тонкостях не разбираются. <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Cornell%C3%A0_V%C3%A1zquez" class="extiw" title="ca:Joan Cornellà Vázquez">Каталонская вики</a> же пишет, что он таки их. Ну нету у испанцев имени Joan, есть Juan, а раз мы всех Joan’ов Жоанами называем, то и этого надо так же, иначе и <a href="/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE,_%D0%96%D0%BE%D0%B0%D0%BD" title="Миро, Жоан">Миро, Жоан</a> у нас Хоаном будет наречён. Или трусы, или крестик. И в фамилии Cornellà ударный последний слог, как это бывает у каталонцев, потому никаких «Корнéлий» при транскрипции возникать не должно. Короче, если через неделю не последует новых аргументов за Хоана, отправляю на <a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%9A%D0%9F%D0%9C" class="mw-redirect" title="Википедия:КПМ">ВП:КПМ</a> для переименования обратно в мой вариант. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Nebydlogop" title="Участник:Nebydlogop">nebydlogop</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Nebydlogop-2016-02-28T09:34:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-27T22:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:34, 28 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nebydlogop-2016-02-28T09:34:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-27T22:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nebydlogop-2016-02-28T09:34:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-27T22:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrès-2016-02-28T10:24:00.000Z-Liasmi-2016-02-27T18:04:00.000Z"></span>И имя Joan и фамилия Cornellà однозначно каталонские, в испанском ни того ни другого просто быть не может. Однако по правилам <a href="/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F" title="Каталанско-русская практическая транскрипция">каталанской транскрипции</a> должно быть Жоан Корнелья. Именно в <a href="/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%8F,_%D0%96%D0%BE%D0%B0%D0%BD" title="Корнелья, Жоан">Корнелья, Жоан</a> и надо его переименовывать, причём ИМХО можно обойтись и без <a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%9A%D0%9F%D0%9C" class="mw-redirect" title="Википедия:КПМ">ВП:КПМ</a> - всех каталонцев в ру-вики именуют по правилам каталанского языка. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Andr%C3%A8s" title="Участник:Andrès">Andres</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Andrès-2016-02-28T10:24:00.000Z-Liasmi-2016-02-27T18:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:24, 28 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrès-2016-02-28T10:24:00.000Z-Liasmi-2016-02-27T18:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrès-2016-02-28T10:24:00.000Z-Liasmi-2016-02-27T18:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Almir-2016-02-28T21:11:00.000Z-Andrès-2016-02-28T10:24:00.000Z"></span>Уверен, что консенсуса можно достичь и здесь без <a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%9A%D0%9F%D0%9C" class="mw-redirect" title="Википедия:КПМ">ВП:КПМ</a>, и, если что, на СО статьи дать ссылку на это обсуждение. Вопрос, по-моему, более-менее очевидный. Если имя очевидно не испанское, а каталонское, и он при этом сам себя называет не согласно испанскому озвучиванию, а согласно каталонскому, то аргументов в пользу испанской транскрипции не просматривается, а в пользу каталонской - наоборот. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Almir" title="Участник:Almir">Almir</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Almir-2016-02-28T21:11:00.000Z-Andrès-2016-02-28T10:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 28 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Almir-2016-02-28T21:11:00.000Z-Andrès-2016-02-28T10:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Almir-2016-02-28T21:11:00.000Z-Andrès-2016-02-28T10:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2016-02-28T21:14:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-28T21:11:00.000Z"></span>Если для переименования нужен мой голос, то аргументы про каталонца меня убедили, прошу считать мой голос за. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2016-02-28T21:14:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-28T21:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 28 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2016-02-28T21:14:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-28T21:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2016-02-28T21:14:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-28T21:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liasmi-2016-02-29T07:19:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-02-28T21:14:00.000Z"></span>Как автор запроса не против принятия решения здесь, как и коллегу Vcohen про каталонца аргументы убеждают, осталось разобраться про «<i>что говорят на эту тему правила, вроде, следует ориентироваться на произношение самого персонажа</i>» (с) Almir. С уважением, <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0:Liasmi" title="Участница:Liasmi">Liasmi</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Liasmi-2016-02-29T07:19:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-02-28T21:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:19, 29 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liasmi-2016-02-29T07:19:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-02-28T21:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liasmi-2016-02-29T07:19:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-02-28T21:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrès-2016-02-29T07:54:00.000Z-Liasmi-2016-02-29T07:19:00.000Z"></span>"следует ориентироваться на произношение самого персонажа" - не говорят такого правила. Правила говорят, что "приоритет в именовании статей следует, как правило, отдавать такому подтверждаемому авторитетными источниками названию, которое для большинства русскоговорящих читателей является наиболее узнаваемым". В случае малой известности объекта статьи у русскоязычной аудитории и отсутствии наиболее узнаваемого у русских читателей варианта, в большинстве случаев ориентируются на транскрипцию. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Andr%C3%A8s" title="Участник:Andrès">Andres</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Andrès-2016-02-29T07:54:00.000Z-Liasmi-2016-02-29T07:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:54, 29 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrès-2016-02-29T07:54:00.000Z-Liasmi-2016-02-29T07:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrès-2016-02-29T07:54:00.000Z-Liasmi-2016-02-29T07:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liasmi-2016-02-29T08:10:00.000Z-Andrès-2016-02-29T07:54:00.000Z"></span>Спасибо. Соглашусь, что необходимо ориентироваться на транскрипцию, хотя бы потому, что мало интервью, из которых можно было бы «выслушать» произношение. С уважением, <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0:Liasmi" title="Участница:Liasmi">Liasmi</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Liasmi-2016-02-29T08:10:00.000Z-Andrès-2016-02-29T07:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:10, 29 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liasmi-2016-02-29T08:10:00.000Z-Andrès-2016-02-29T07:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liasmi-2016-02-29T08:10:00.000Z-Andrès-2016-02-29T07:54:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Almir-2016-02-29T11:50:00.000Z-Andrès-2016-02-29T07:54:00.000Z"></span>И в данном случае транскрипция, очевидно, должна быть каталонской, а не испанской. В нашем случае, когда наиболее узнаваемого у русских читателей варианта нет, то в качестве АИ, полагаю, произношение самого персонажа вполне годится. Тем более, что оно звучит в интервью, данном на испанском, а не на каталонском (то есть персонаж не адаптирует произношение под основной язык страны). <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Almir" title="Участник:Almir">Almir</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Almir-2016-02-29T11:50:00.000Z-Andrès-2016-02-29T07:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:50, 29 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Almir-2016-02-29T11:50:00.000Z-Andrès-2016-02-29T07:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Almir-2016-02-29T11:50:00.000Z-Andrès-2016-02-29T07:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nebydlogop-2016-02-29T17:06:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-29T11:50:00.000Z"></span>Согласен, можно обойтись и без КПМ. Подавать хотел только во избежание войны переименований, но сейчас вроде все согласны. Так переименовать в <a href="/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%8F,_%D0%96%D0%BE%D0%B0%D0%BD" title="Корнелья, Жоан">Корнелья, Жоан</a>? Если что, могу подождать, чтобы высказались все. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Nebydlogop" title="Участник:Nebydlogop">nebydlogop</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Nebydlogop-2016-02-29T17:06:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-29T11:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 29 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nebydlogop-2016-02-29T17:06:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-29T11:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nebydlogop-2016-02-29T17:06:00.000Z-Almir-2016-02-29T11:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liasmi-2016-02-29T17:27:00.000Z-Nebydlogop-2016-02-29T17:06:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="(+)"><img alt="(+)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Pictogram_voting_support.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_support.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Pictogram_voting_support.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_support.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Pictogram_voting_support.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_support.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>За</b></span>. С уважением, <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0:Liasmi" title="Участница:Liasmi">Liasmi</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Liasmi-2016-02-29T17:27:00.000Z-Nebydlogop-2016-02-29T17:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 29 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liasmi-2016-02-29T17:27:00.000Z-Nebydlogop-2016-02-29T17:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liasmi-2016-02-29T17:27:00.000Z-Nebydlogop-2016-02-29T17:06:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Almir-2016-02-29T23:01:00.000Z-Nebydlogop-2016-02-29T17:06:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span title="(+)"><img alt="(+)" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Pictogram_voting_support.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_support.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Pictogram_voting_support.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_support.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Pictogram_voting_support.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_support.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> <b>За</b></span>. Вроде, тут и не было никого против. :) <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Almir" title="Участник:Almir">Almir</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Almir-2016-02-29T23:01:00.000Z-Nebydlogop-2016-02-29T17:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 29 февраля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Almir-2016-02-29T23:01:00.000Z-Nebydlogop-2016-02-29T17:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Almir-2016-02-29T23:01:00.000Z-Nebydlogop-2016-02-29T17:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fernando_de_Szyszlo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fernando_de_Szyszlo-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fernando_de_Szyszlo-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z"></span>Fernando de Szyszlo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fernando_de_Szyszlo-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=23" title="Редактировать код раздела «Fernando de Szyszlo»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Шурбур-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z-Fernando_de_Szyszlo"></span>Коллеги, как транскрибировать сие? </p> <ul><li>Фернандо де Сисло. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%A8%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B1%D1%83%D1%80" title="Участник:Шурбур">Шурбур</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Шурбур-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z-Fernando_de_Szyszlo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 14 марта 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Шурбур-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z-Fernando_de_Szyszlo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Шурбур-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z-Fernando_de_Szyszlo"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mvk608-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z"></span>Спасибо.--<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Mvk608" title="Участник:Mvk608">Mvk608</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Mvk608-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 14 марта 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mvk608-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mvk608-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Almir-2016-03-14T11:39:00.000Z-Mvk608-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z"></span>Да, похоже, в источниках на русском именно так. Хотя на испанском звучит, скорее, "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://es.howtopronounce.com/szyszlo/">Число</a>". <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Almir" title="Участник:Almir">Almir</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Almir-2016-03-14T11:39:00.000Z-Mvk608-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:39, 14 марта 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Almir-2016-03-14T11:39:00.000Z-Mvk608-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Almir-2016-03-14T11:39:00.000Z-Mvk608-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrès-2016-03-14T11:46:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z"></span>Перуанец польского происхождения, Боже, чего только не бывает. По-польски "Szyszlo" - Шишло, но с испанского, надо транскрибировать "Сисло". --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Andr%C3%A8s" title="Участник:Andrès">Andres</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Andrès-2016-03-14T11:46:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:46, 14 марта 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrès-2016-03-14T11:46:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrès-2016-03-14T11:46:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Almir-2016-03-14T12:09:00.000Z-Andrès-2016-03-14T11:46:00.000Z"></span>Кстати, Шишло <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.ru/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%20%D0%B4%D0%B5%20%D1%88%D0%B8%D1%88%D0%BB%D0%BE%22">тоже встречается</a>, в т. ч. и в Википедии. Испанцы, похоже, адаптируют как Число, так как "Ш" в испанском по сути нет. Но на русском почему-то распространено именно <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.ru/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#newwindow=1&q=%22%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE+%D0%B4%D0%B5+%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%22">Сисло</a> - видимо, из-за ошибочной интерпретации. Википедия должна ориентироваться на узнаваемость, поэтому придётся, видимо, писать Сисло. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Almir" title="Участник:Almir">Almir</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Almir-2016-03-14T12:09:00.000Z-Andrès-2016-03-14T11:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:09, 14 марта 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Almir-2016-03-14T12:09:00.000Z-Andrès-2016-03-14T11:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Almir-2016-03-14T12:09:00.000Z-Andrès-2016-03-14T11:46:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.howtopronounce.com/szyszlo/"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Шурбур-2016-03-14T12:58:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z"></span>Это не испанофоны</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7U6YM-bd1M">Вот перуанское ТВ 00:04</a> С s и z в испанском всё сложно, надо ориентироваться на практическую транскрипцию. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%A8%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B1%D1%83%D1%80" title="Участник:Шурбур">Шурбур</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Шурбур-2016-03-14T12:58:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:58, 14 марта 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Шурбур-2016-03-14T12:58:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Шурбур-2016-03-14T12:58:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-03-14T10:40:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Almir-2016-03-14T21:55:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-03-14T12:58:00.000Z"></span>Последние два, вроде, англоговорящие, а первый вполне может быть испаноговорящим. Но да, по перуанскому ТВ чётко звучит "Сисло". Спасибо, начал сам искать на Ютубе, но времени не хватило. С практической транскрипцией в нашем случае сложно, написание фамилии не соответствует испанской орфографии, поэтому я б не удивился, если бы они произносили это как-то иначе. Но Сисло так Сисло, тут и спору нет, по всем критериям выходит так. :) <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Almir" title="Участник:Almir">Almir</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Almir-2016-03-14T21:55:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-03-14T12:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 14 марта 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Almir-2016-03-14T21:55:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-03-14T12:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Almir-2016-03-14T21:55:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-03-14T12:58:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="José_Pedro_Pozzi_в_статье_Епархия_Альто-Валье-дель-Рио-Негро" data-mw-thread-id="h-José_Pedro_Pozzi_в_статье_Епархия_Альто-Валье-дель--2016-04-03T09:07:00.000Z"><span id="Jos.C3.A9_Pedro_Pozzi_.D0.B2_.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B0.D1.82.D1.8C.D0.B5_.D0.95.D0.BF.D0.B0.D1.80.D1.85.D0.B8.D1.8F_.D0.90.D0.BB.D1.8C.D1.82.D0.BE-.D0.92.D0.B0.D0.BB.D1.8C.D0.B5-.D0.B4.D0.B5.D0.BB.D1.8C-.D0.A0.D0.B8.D0.BE-.D0.9D.D0.B5.D0.B3.D1.80.D0.BE"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-José_Pedro_Pozzi_в_статье_Епархия_Альто-Валье-дель--2016-04-03T09:07:00.000Z"></span>José Pedro Pozzi в статье <a href="/wiki/%D0%95%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%90%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B5-%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C-%D0%A0%D0%B8%D0%BE-%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE" title="Епархия Альто-Валье-дель-Рио-Негро">Епархия Альто-Валье-дель-Рио-Негро</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-José_Pedro_Pozzi_в_статье_Епархия_Альто-Валье-дель--2016-04-03T09:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=24" title="Редактировать код раздела «José Pedro Pozzi в статье Епархия Альто-Валье-дель-Рио-Негро»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-03T09:07:00.000Z-José_Pedro_Pozzi_в_статье_Епархия_Альто-Валье-дель-"></span>Вроде перевёл как "Посси", но в наглую напоминает итальянскую фамилию, и поэтому может быть "Поцци", не говоря уже о том что у многих аргентинцев имеются итальянские корни. Кто-нибудь развеет мои сомнения?. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%87%D1%83%D0%BA" class="mw-redirect" title="Участник:Михаил Марчук">Михаил Марчук</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-03T09:07:00.000Z-José_Pedro_Pozzi_в_статье_Епархия_Альто-Валье-дель-" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:07, 3 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-03T09:07:00.000Z-José_Pedro_Pozzi_в_статье_Епархия_Альто-Валье-дель-"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-03T09:07:00.000Z-José_Pedro_Pozzi_в_статье_Епархия_Альто-Валье-дель-"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Almir-2016-04-03T14:37:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-03T09:07:00.000Z"></span>Это безусловно итальянская фамилия (в испанской орфографии невозможно сочетание zzi), но мне встречалось утверждение, будто итальянские фамилии в Аргентине традиционно произносятся согласно правилам испанской фонетики, и что даже нынешнего римского папу называют "Бергогльо". :D Так что, думаю, пока можно спокойно писать "Посси", пока не найдётся источник на "Поцци". Можно поискать на Ютубе, как произносят эту фамилию в Аргентине... <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Almir" title="Участник:Almir">Almir</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Almir-2016-04-03T14:37:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-03T09:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 3 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Almir-2016-04-03T14:37:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-03T09:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Almir-2016-04-03T14:37:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-03T09:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2016-04-03T14:58:00.000Z-Almir-2016-04-03T14:37:00.000Z"></span>Есть проблема. Если мы пишем согласно испанскому произношению, то не должно быть двойного "с". В испанском нет двойных согласных... <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2016-04-03T14:58:00.000Z-Almir-2016-04-03T14:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:58, 3 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2016-04-03T14:58:00.000Z-Almir-2016-04-03T14:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2016-04-03T14:58:00.000Z-Almir-2016-04-03T14:37:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%8C%D1%8F%D1%86%D1%86%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B0" class="mw-redirect" title="Пьяццолла"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Шурбур-2016-04-06T08:12:00.000Z-Almir-2016-04-03T14:37:00.000Z"></span>Пьяццолла</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FHBny_UEw0&t=08m17s">Пьясола, Пьясола, Пьясола</a>. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%A8%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B1%D1%83%D1%80" title="Участник:Шурбур">Шурбур</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Шурбур-2016-04-06T08:12:00.000Z-Almir-2016-04-03T14:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:12, 6 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Шурбур-2016-04-06T08:12:00.000Z-Almir-2016-04-03T14:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Шурбур-2016-04-06T08:12:00.000Z-Almir-2016-04-03T14:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Almir-2016-04-03T15:59:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-04-06T08:12:00.000Z"></span>В есть вполне употребимое латинское выражение grosso modo, так что двойное "с" в иностранных словах может быть. Двойные nn изредка встречаются на стыке с энклитикой: llévannos, другие двойные могут быть опять-таки в иностранных словах. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Almir" title="Участник:Almir">Almir</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Almir-2016-04-03T15:59:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-04-06T08:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 3 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Almir-2016-04-03T15:59:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-04-06T08:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Almir-2016-04-03T15:59:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-04-06T08:12:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Almir-2016-04-03T16:05:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-04-06T08:12:00.000Z"></span>Вот здесь на примерно 15 секунде называют другого Pozzi, но тоже аргентинского: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpxXTFLvb_w">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpxXTFLvb_w</a> . Звучит, на мой слух, "Поси". Я бы поэтому писал бы с одной "с": "Поси". В отсутствие АИ это, думаю, неплохой вариант. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Almir" title="Участник:Almir">Almir</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Almir-2016-04-03T16:05:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-04-06T08:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 3 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Almir-2016-04-03T16:05:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-04-06T08:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Almir-2016-04-03T16:05:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-04-06T08:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-04T05:41:00.000Z-Almir-2016-04-03T16:05:00.000Z"></span>Попробую. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%87%D1%83%D0%BA" class="mw-redirect" title="Участник:Михаил Марчук">Михаил Марчук</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-04T05:41:00.000Z-Almir-2016-04-03T16:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:41, 4 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-04T05:41:00.000Z-Almir-2016-04-03T16:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-04T05:41:00.000Z-Almir-2016-04-03T16:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Almir-2016-04-05T16:10:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-04T05:41:00.000Z"></span>Но будет правильным в скобках написать имя латинскими буквами, я думаю. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Almir" title="Участник:Almir">Almir</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Almir-2016-04-05T16:10:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-04T05:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 5 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Almir-2016-04-05T16:10:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-04T05:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Almir-2016-04-05T16:10:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-04T05:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T06:20:00.000Z-Almir-2016-04-05T16:10:00.000Z"></span>Давайте. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%87%D1%83%D0%BA" class="mw-redirect" title="Участник:Михаил Марчук">Михаил Марчук</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T06:20:00.000Z-Almir-2016-04-05T16:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:20, 6 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T06:20:00.000Z-Almir-2016-04-05T16:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T06:20:00.000Z-Almir-2016-04-05T16:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T06:39:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-04T05:41:00.000Z"></span>И ещё на этом сайте <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.aicaold.com.ar//index2.php?pag=obpozzi">AICA</a> написано что он в Милане родился, это может быть в пользу "Поцци", не подскажете что делать?. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%87%D1%83%D0%BA" class="mw-redirect" title="Участник:Михаил Марчук">Михаил Марчук</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T06:39:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-04T05:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:39, 6 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T06:39:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-04T05:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span 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Так что напишу по итальянской транскрипции, тем более он из Италии родом, ок? <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%87%D1%83%D0%BA" class="mw-redirect" title="Участник:Михаил Марчук">Михаил Марчук</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T08:22:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T06:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 6 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T08:22:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T06:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T08:22:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T06:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Шурбур-2016-04-06T09:21:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T08:22:00.000Z"></span>Не знаю; это, скорее, подтверждение возможности произношения ит. по происхождению zz как исп. z. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%A8%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B1%D1%83%D1%80" title="Участник:Шурбур">Шурбур</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Шурбур-2016-04-06T09:21:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T08:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:21, 6 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Шурбур-2016-04-06T09:21:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T08:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Шурбур-2016-04-06T09:21:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T08:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T09:49:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-04-06T09:21:00.000Z"></span>Короче пускай по итальянской транскрипции будет, мне всё равно, непонятная ситуация какая-то. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%87%D1%83%D0%BA" class="mw-redirect" title="Участник:Михаил Марчук">Михаил Марчук</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T09:49:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-04-06T09:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:49, 6 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T09:49:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-04-06T09:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T09:49:00.000Z-Шурбур-2016-04-06T09:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Almir-2016-04-07T07:51:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T09:49:00.000Z"></span>Да, тут непонятно, чем руководствоваться. Папа Римский у нас тоже идёт в итальянской транскрипции, хотя на родине его называют согласно написанию. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Almir" title="Участник:Almir">Almir</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Almir-2016-04-07T07:51:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T09:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:51, 7 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Almir-2016-04-07T07:51:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T09:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Almir-2016-04-07T07:51:00.000Z-Михаил_Марчук-2016-04-06T09:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cicaré" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cicaré-2016-04-30T14:11:00.000Z"><span id="Cicar.C3.A9"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cicaré-2016-04-30T14:11:00.000Z"></span>Cicaré<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cicaré-2016-04-30T14:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=25" title="Редактировать код раздела «Cicaré»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5:Cicar%C3%A9" title="Обсуждение:Cicaré"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Юкке-2016-04-30T14:11:00.000Z-Cicaré"></span>В обсуждении статьи</a> аноним дал ссылку на youtube, где эта фамилия произносится как Сикарэ́. Вопрос в том, как писать её, через Э или Е? --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%AE%D0%BA%D0%BA%D0%B5" title="Участник:Юкке">Юкке</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Юкке-2016-04-30T14:11:00.000Z-Cicaré" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:11, 30 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Юкке-2016-04-30T14:11:00.000Z-Cicaré"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Юкке-2016-04-30T14:11:00.000Z-Cicaré"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2016-04-30T18:28:00.000Z-Юкке-2016-04-30T14:11:00.000Z"></span>Через Е. В русском языке буква Э после согласных почти не используется. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2016-04-30T18:28:00.000Z-Юкке-2016-04-30T14:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 30 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2016-04-30T18:28:00.000Z-Юкке-2016-04-30T14:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2016-04-30T18:28:00.000Z-Юкке-2016-04-30T14:11:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Юкке-2016-04-30T19:25:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-04-30T18:28:00.000Z"></span>Спасибо. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%AE%D0%BA%D0%BA%D0%B5" title="Участник:Юкке">Юкке</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Юкке-2016-04-30T19:25:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-04-30T18:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 30 апреля 2016 (UTC)</a><span 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data-mw-comment-end="h-Francisco_Fabián_y_Fuero-2016-12-13T13:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=26" title="Редактировать код раздела «Francisco Fabián y Fuero»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demidenko-2016-12-13T13:51:00.000Z-Francisco_Fabián_y_Fuero"></span>С уважением, <span style="font-variant: small-caps"><a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Demidenko" title="Участник:Demidenko">Demidenko</a></span> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Demidenko-2016-12-13T13:51:00.000Z-Francisco_Fabián_y_Fuero" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 13 декабря 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demidenko-2016-12-13T13:51:00.000Z-Francisco_Fabián_y_Fuero"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demidenko-2016-12-13T13:51:00.000Z-Francisco_Fabián_y_Fuero"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2016-12-13T13:57:00.000Z-Demidenko-2016-12-13T13:51:00.000Z"></span>Франсиско Фабиан-и-Фуэро. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2016-12-13T13:57:00.000Z-Demidenko-2016-12-13T13:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:57, 13 декабря 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2016-12-13T13:57:00.000Z-Demidenko-2016-12-13T13:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2016-12-13T13:57:00.000Z-Demidenko-2016-12-13T13:51:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Demidenko-2016-12-13T14:37:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-12-13T13:57:00.000Z"></span>Спасибо. С уважением, <span style="font-variant: small-caps"><a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Demidenko" title="Участник:Demidenko">Demidenko</a></span> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Demidenko-2016-12-13T14:37:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-12-13T13:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 13 декабря 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Demidenko-2016-12-13T14:37:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-12-13T13:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Demidenko-2016-12-13T14:37:00.000Z-Vcohen-2016-12-13T13:57:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="José_de_León_Toral" data-mw-thread-id="h-José_de_León_Toral-2018-03-15T11:23:00.000Z"><span id="Jos.C3.A9_de_Le.C3.B3n_Toral"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-José_de_León_Toral-2018-03-15T11:23:00.000Z"></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_de_Le%C3%B3n_Toral" class="extiw" title="en:José de León Toral">José de León Toral</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-José_de_León_Toral-2018-03-15T11:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=27" title="Редактировать код раздела «José de León Toral»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Y~ruwiki-2018-03-15T11:23:00.000Z-José_de_León_Toral"></span>Как правильно <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_de_Le%C3%B3n_Toral" class="extiw" title="en:José de León Toral">José de León Toral</a> - <i>Хосе де Леон Тораль</i>? Причем <i>Хосе</i>- имя, а <i>де Леон Тораль</i> - фамилия? <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Y~ruwiki" title="Участник:Y~ruwiki">Y~ruwiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Y~ruwiki" title="Обсуждение участника:Y~ruwiki">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Y~ruwiki-2018-03-15T11:23:00.000Z-José_de_León_Toral" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:23, 15 марта 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Y~ruwiki-2018-03-15T11:23:00.000Z-José_de_León_Toral"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Y~ruwiki-2018-03-15T11:23:00.000Z-José_de_León_Toral"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2018-03-15T11:45:00.000Z-Y~ruwiki-2018-03-15T11:23:00.000Z"></span>Да, всё верно. Причем де Леон фамилия по отцу, а Тораль по матери. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2018-03-15T11:45:00.000Z-Y~ruwiki-2018-03-15T11:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:45, 15 марта 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2018-03-15T11:45:00.000Z-Y~ruwiki-2018-03-15T11:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2018-03-15T11:45:00.000Z-Y~ruwiki-2018-03-15T11:23:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Y~ruwiki-2018-03-15T12:32:00.000Z-Vcohen-2018-03-15T11:45:00.000Z"></span>Спасибо! Статья <a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%94%D0%B5_%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%BD_%D0%A2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C,_%D0%A5%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B5&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Де Леон Тораль, Хосе (страница отсутствует)">Де Леон Тораль, Хосе</a>. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Y~ruwiki" title="Участник:Y~ruwiki">Y~ruwiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Y~ruwiki" title="Обсуждение участника:Y~ruwiki">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Y~ruwiki-2018-03-15T12:32:00.000Z-Vcohen-2018-03-15T11:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:32, 15 марта 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Y~ruwiki-2018-03-15T12:32:00.000Z-Vcohen-2018-03-15T11:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Y~ruwiki-2018-03-15T12:32:00.000Z-Vcohen-2018-03-15T11:45:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ибероамериканский_или_Иберо-Американский" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ибероамериканский_или_Иберо-Американский-2018-06-26T12:34:00.000Z"><span id=".D0.98.D0.B1.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.B0.D0.BC.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B8.D0.BA.D0.B0.D0.BD.D1.81.D0.BA.D0.B8.D0.B9_.D0.B8.D0.BB.D0.B8_.D0.98.D0.B1.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.BE-.D0.90.D0.BC.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B8.D0.BA.D0.B0.D0.BD.D1.81.D0.BA.D0.B8.D0.B9"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ибероамериканский_или_Иберо-Американский-2018-06-26T12:34:00.000Z"></span>Ибероамериканский или Иберо-Американский<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ибероамериканский_или_Иберо-Американский-2018-06-26T12:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=28" title="Редактировать код раздела «Ибероамериканский или Иберо-Американский»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Y~ruwiki-2018-06-26T12:34:00.000Z-Ибероамериканский_или_Иберо-Американский"></span>Не совсем про транслитерацию, но все-же. Есть <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instituto_Ibero-Americano" class="extiw" title="es:Instituto Ibero-Americano">es:Instituto Ibero-Americano</a> - <a href="/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE-%D0%90%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%83%D1%82" title="Иберо-Американский институт">Иберо-Американский институт</a>. Но <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universidad_Iberoamericana_(CDMX)" class="extiw" title="es:Universidad Iberoamericana (CDMX)">es:Universidad Iberoamericana (CDMX)</a> - <a href="/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%82" title="Ибероамериканский университет">Ибероамериканский университет</a>. Есть какое-то правило на этот счет? <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Y~ruwiki" title="Участник:Y~ruwiki">Y~ruwiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Y~ruwiki" title="Обсуждение участника:Y~ruwiki">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Y~ruwiki-2018-06-26T12:34:00.000Z-Ибероамериканский_или_Иберо-Американский" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:34, 26 июня 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Y~ruwiki-2018-06-26T12:34:00.000Z-Ибероамериканский_или_Иберо-Американский"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Y~ruwiki-2018-06-26T12:34:00.000Z-Ибероамериканский_или_Иберо-Американский"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2018-06-26T14:51:00.000Z-Y~ruwiki-2018-06-26T12:34:00.000Z"></span>Видимо, здесь сочетание нескольких проблем. <ol><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://orthographia.ru/orf.php?paragraph=pp130.php">§ 130, п.2</a>: "Пишутся через дефис прилагательные, образованные из двух или более основ слов, обозначающих равноправные понятия". В нашем случае имеется в виду, наверно, Иберия (Пиренейский полуостров) <b>и</b> Америка, а не Иберийская Америка.</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://orthographia.ru/orf.php?paragraph=pp189.php">§ 189, примечание 1</a>: "В названиях учреждений, организаций, начинающихся ... пишущимися через дефис прилагательными от географических названий, с прописной буквы пишутся, как и в собственно географических составных названиях (см. § 169), оба компонента первого сложного слова".</li> <li>Но при всём при том интересно, что разница в испанском написании этих двух названий сохраняется и при переходе к другим языкам. Поэтому можно было бы сохранить ее и на русском. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2018-06-26T14:51:00.000Z-Y~ruwiki-2018-06-26T12:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 26 июня 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2018-06-26T14:51:00.000Z-Y~ruwiki-2018-06-26T12:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2018-06-26T14:51:00.000Z-Y~ruwiki-2018-06-26T12:34:00.000Z"></span></li></ol> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Y~ruwiki-2018-06-26T15:05:00.000Z-Vcohen-2018-06-26T14:51:00.000Z"></span>В данном конкретном случае сохранен оригинальный вариант <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instituto_Ibero-Americano" class="extiw" title="es:Instituto Ibero-Americano">es:Instituto Ibero-Americano</a> - <a href="/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE-%D0%90%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%83%D1%82" title="Иберо-Американский институт">Иберо-Американский институт</a>, <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universidad_Iberoamericana_(CDMX)" class="extiw" title="es:Universidad Iberoamericana (CDMX)">es:Universidad Iberoamericana (CDMX)</a> - <a href="/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%82" title="Ибероамериканский университет">Ибероамериканский университет</a>. Спасибо за ответ <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Y~ruwiki" title="Участник:Y~ruwiki">Y~ruwiki</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Y~ruwiki" title="Обсуждение участника:Y~ruwiki">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Y~ruwiki-2018-06-26T15:05:00.000Z-Vcohen-2018-06-26T14:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 26 июня 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Y~ruwiki-2018-06-26T15:05:00.000Z-Vcohen-2018-06-26T14:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Y~ruwiki-2018-06-26T15:05:00.000Z-Vcohen-2018-06-26T14:51:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Joaquín_«Ximo»_Navarro" data-mw-thread-id="h-Joaquín_«Ximo»_Navarro-2018-12-03T08:29:00.000Z"><span id="Joaqu.C3.ADn_.C2.ABXimo.C2.BB_Navarro"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Joaquín_«Ximo»_Navarro-2018-12-03T08:29:00.000Z"></span>Joaquín «Ximo» Navarro<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Joaquín_«Ximo»_Navarro-2018-12-03T08:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=29" title="Редактировать код раздела «Joaquín «Ximo» Navarro»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Igor_Borisenko-2018-12-03T08:29:00.000Z-Joaquín_«Ximo»_Navarro"></span>Как транскрибируется его прозвище - Ксимо/Химо/Шимо/Чимо? В русскоязычной прессе встречаются разные варианты, и <a href="/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%80%D0%BE,_%D0%9A%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE" class="mw-redirect" title="Наварро, Ксимо">текущий</a> англофильский вариант "Ксимо" мне кажется неверным. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Igor_Borisenko" title="Участник:Igor Borisenko">Igor Borisenko</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Igor_Borisenko" title="Обсуждение участника:Igor Borisenko">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Igor_Borisenko-2018-12-03T08:29:00.000Z-Joaquín_«Ximo»_Navarro" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:29, 3 декабря 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Igor_Borisenko-2018-12-03T08:29:00.000Z-Joaquín_«Ximo»_Navarro"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Igor_Borisenko-2018-12-03T08:29:00.000Z-Joaquín_«Ximo»_Navarro"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2018-12-03T08:39:00.000Z-Igor_Borisenko-2018-12-03T08:29:00.000Z"></span>По-испански это должно читаться Химо. Но кто его знает, может там какие-нибудь другие языки замешаны... <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2018-12-03T08:39:00.000Z-Igor_Borisenko-2018-12-03T08:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 3 декабря 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2018-12-03T08:39:00.000Z-Igor_Borisenko-2018-12-03T08:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2018-12-03T08:39:00.000Z-Igor_Borisenko-2018-12-03T08:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Igor_Borisenko-2018-12-03T08:50:00.000Z-Vcohen-2018-12-03T08:39:00.000Z"></span>Спасибо. По идее другие не должны быть, разве что баскский. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Igor_Borisenko" title="Участник:Igor Borisenko">Igor Borisenko</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Igor_Borisenko" title="Обсуждение участника:Igor Borisenko">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Igor_Borisenko-2018-12-03T08:50:00.000Z-Vcohen-2018-12-03T08:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 3 декабря 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Igor_Borisenko-2018-12-03T08:50:00.000Z-Vcohen-2018-12-03T08:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Igor_Borisenko-2018-12-03T08:50:00.000Z-Vcohen-2018-12-03T08:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yms-2018-12-03T11:59:00.000Z-Igor_Borisenko-2018-12-03T08:29:00.000Z"></span>Осталось уговорить испанцев. Они пытаются выговорить «Шимо», но у них получается «Чимо»: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fld--kd6qF4">[3]</a> --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Yms" title="Участник:Yms">М. Ю. (yms)</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Yms" title="Обсуждение участника:Yms">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Yms-2018-12-03T11:59:00.000Z-Igor_Borisenko-2018-12-03T08:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:59, 3 декабря 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yms-2018-12-03T11:59:00.000Z-Igor_Borisenko-2018-12-03T08:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yms-2018-12-03T11:59:00.000Z-Igor_Borisenko-2018-12-03T08:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2018-12-03T12:04:00.000Z-Yms-2018-12-03T11:59:00.000Z"></span>Это с какого языка они так пытаются? <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2018-12-03T12:04:00.000Z-Yms-2018-12-03T11:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:04, 3 декабря 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2018-12-03T12:04:00.000Z-Yms-2018-12-03T11:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2018-12-03T12:04:00.000Z-Yms-2018-12-03T11:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yms-2018-12-03T13:32:00.000Z-Vcohen-2018-12-03T12:04:00.000Z"></span>видимо, с каталанского: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://kurufin.ru/html/Translate/ioakim.html">[4]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://forvo.com/search/ximo/">[5]</a>. Даже если он не каталонец, это в принципе не должно мешать. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Yms" title="Участник:Yms">М. Ю. (yms)</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Yms" title="Обсуждение участника:Yms">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Yms-2018-12-03T13:32:00.000Z-Vcohen-2018-12-03T12:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 3 декабря 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yms-2018-12-03T13:32:00.000Z-Vcohen-2018-12-03T12:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yms-2018-12-03T13:32:00.000Z-Vcohen-2018-12-03T12:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="María_Paola_Pliego_Lara" data-mw-thread-id="h-María_Paola_Pliego_Lara-2019-07-05T04:35:00.000Z"><span id="Mar.C3.ADa_Paola_Pliego_Lara"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-María_Paola_Pliego_Lara-2019-07-05T04:35:00.000Z"></span>María Paola Pliego Lara<span data-mw-comment-end="h-María_Paola_Pliego_Lara-2019-07-05T04:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=30" title="Редактировать код раздела «María Paola Pliego Lara»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Виталий_Болбас-2019-07-05T04:35:00.000Z-María_Paola_Pliego_Lara"></span>Как правильно транскрибируется это имя? <a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%92%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%81&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Участник:Виталий Болбас (страница отсутствует)">Виталий Болбас</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:%D0%92%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%81" title="Обсуждение участника:Виталий Болбас">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Виталий_Болбас-2019-07-05T04:35:00.000Z-María_Paola_Pliego_Lara" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:35, 5 июля 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Виталий_Болбас-2019-07-05T04:35:00.000Z-María_Paola_Pliego_Lara"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Виталий_Болбас-2019-07-05T04:35:00.000Z-María_Paola_Pliego_Lara"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yms-2019-07-05T08:45:00.000Z-Виталий_Болбас-2019-07-05T04:35:00.000Z"></span>Мария Паола Плиего Лара. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Yms" title="Участник:Yms">М. Ю. (yms)</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Yms" title="Обсуждение участника:Yms">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Yms-2019-07-05T08:45:00.000Z-Виталий_Болбас-2019-07-05T04:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:45, 5 июля 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yms-2019-07-05T08:45:00.000Z-Виталий_Болбас-2019-07-05T04:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yms-2019-07-05T08:45:00.000Z-Виталий_Болбас-2019-07-05T04:35:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Сильва_Наццари,_Роберто" data-mw-thread-id="h-Сильва_Наццари,_Роберто-2019-08-13T09:47:00.000Z"><span id=".D0.A1.D0.B8.D0.BB.D1.8C.D0.B2.D0.B0_.D0.9D.D0.B0.D1.86.D1.86.D0.B0.D1.80.D0.B8.2C_.D0.A0.D0.BE.D0.B1.D0.B5.D1.80.D1.82.D0.BE"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Сильва_Наццари,_Роберто-2019-08-13T09:47:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%86%D1%86%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8,_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%82%D0%BE" title="Сильва Наццари, Роберто">Сильва Наццари, Роберто</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Сильва_Наццари,_Роберто-2019-08-13T09:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=31" title="Редактировать код раздела «Сильва Наццари, Роберто»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Byzantine-2019-08-13T09:47:00.000Z-Сильва_Наццари,_Роберто"></span>Насколько верно передана фамилия этого уругвайца? Насколько мне известно, в испанском языке нет звука "Ц". Как в данном правильно транскрибировать «Nazzari»? — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Byzantine" title="Участник:Byzantine">Byzantine</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Byzantine" title="Обсуждение участника:Byzantine">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Byzantine-2019-08-13T09:47:00.000Z-Сильва_Наццари,_Роберто" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:47, 13 августа 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Byzantine-2019-08-13T09:47:00.000Z-Сильва_Наццари,_Роберто"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Byzantine-2019-08-13T09:47:00.000Z-Сильва_Наццари,_Роберто"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2019-08-14T16:47:00.000Z-Byzantine-2019-08-13T09:47:00.000Z"></span>Здесь по правилам транскрибировать бесполезно, надо слушать, как они произносят. Но по правилам получилось бы Насари. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2019-08-14T16:47:00.000Z-Byzantine-2019-08-13T09:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 14 августа 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2019-08-14T16:47:00.000Z-Byzantine-2019-08-13T09:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2019-08-14T16:47:00.000Z-Byzantine-2019-08-13T09:47:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Педро_де_Алькантара_Тельес-Хирон-и-Альфонсо-Пиментель" data-mw-thread-id="h-Педро_де_Алькантара_Тельес-Хирон-и-Альфонсо-2020-02-20T04:17:00.000Z"><span id=".D0.9F.D0.B5.D0.B4.D1.80.D0.BE_.D0.B4.D0.B5_.D0.90.D0.BB.D1.8C.D0.BA.D0.B0.D0.BD.D1.82.D0.B0.D1.80.D0.B0_.D0.A2.D0.B5.D0.BB.D1.8C.D0.B5.D1.81-.D0.A5.D0.B8.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.BD-.D0.B8-.D0.90.D0.BB.D1.8C.D1.84.D0.BE.D0.BD.D1.81.D0.BE-.D0.9F.D0.B8.D0.BC.D0.B5.D0.BD.D1.82.D0.B5.D0.BB.D1.8C"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Педро_де_Алькантара_Тельес-Хирон-и-Альфонсо-2020-02-20T04:17:00.000Z"></span>Педро де Алькантара Тельес-Хирон-и-Альфонсо-Пиментель<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Педро_де_Алькантара_Тельес-Хирон-и-Альфонсо-2020-02-20T04:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=32" title="Редактировать код раздела «Педро де Алькантара Тельес-Хирон-и-Альфонсо-Пиментель»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hdfan2-2020-02-20T04:17:00.000Z-Педро_де_Алькантара_Тельес-Хирон-и-Альфонсо"></span>Имя тут "Педро" или "Педро де Алькантара"? <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Hdfan2" title="Участник:Hdfan2">Hdfan2</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Hdfan2" title="Обсуждение участника:Hdfan2">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Hdfan2-2020-02-20T04:17:00.000Z-Педро_де_Алькантара_Тельес-Хирон-и-Альфонсо" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:17, 20 февраля 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hdfan2-2020-02-20T04:17:00.000Z-Педро_де_Алькантара_Тельес-Хирон-и-Альфонсо"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hdfan2-2020-02-20T04:17:00.000Z-Педро_де_Алькантара_Тельес-Хирон-и-Альфонсо"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yms-2020-02-20T06:50:00.000Z-Hdfan2-2020-02-20T04:17:00.000Z"></span>В испанской вики написано «младший сын Педро де Алькантара Тельес-Хирона», но и так может быть, что у обоих имя — Педро-де-Алькантара в честь <a href="/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%91%D1%82%D1%80_%D0%90%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9" title="Пётр Алькантрийский">Петра Алькантарийского</a>. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Yms" title="Участник:Yms">М. Ю. (yms)</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Yms" title="Обсуждение участника:Yms">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Yms-2020-02-20T06:50:00.000Z-Hdfan2-2020-02-20T04:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:50, 20 февраля 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yms-2020-02-20T06:50:00.000Z-Hdfan2-2020-02-20T04:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yms-2020-02-20T06:50:00.000Z-Hdfan2-2020-02-20T04:17:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yms-2020-02-20T06:53:00.000Z-Hdfan2-2020-02-20T04:17:00.000Z"></span>Посмотрел я на <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%A9llez_Gir%C3%B3n" class="extiw" title="es:Téllez Girón">Тельес-Хиронов</a> и укрепился во мнении, что Педро де Алькантара — имя. --<a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Yms" title="Участник:Yms">М. Ю. (yms)</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Yms" title="Обсуждение участника:Yms">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Yms-2020-02-20T06:53:00.000Z-Hdfan2-2020-02-20T04:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:53, 20 февраля 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yms-2020-02-20T06:53:00.000Z-Hdfan2-2020-02-20T04:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yms-2020-02-20T06:53:00.000Z-Hdfan2-2020-02-20T04:17:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Арбунич_Кастро,_Джованна" data-mw-thread-id="h-Арбунич_Кастро,_Джованна-2021-07-01T11:12:00.000Z"><span id=".D0.90.D1.80.D0.B1.D1.83.D0.BD.D0.B8.D1.87_.D0.9A.D0.B0.D1.81.D1.82.D1.80.D0.BE.2C_.D0.94.D0.B6.D0.BE.D0.B2.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0.BD.D0.B0"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Арбунич_Кастро,_Джованна-2021-07-01T11:12:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/%D0%90%D1%80%D0%B1%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87_%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE,_%D0%94%D0%B6%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0" title="Арбунич Кастро, Джованна">Арбунич Кастро, Джованна</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Арбунич_Кастро,_Джованна-2021-07-01T11:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=33" title="Редактировать код раздела «Арбунич Кастро, Джованна»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Byzantine-2021-07-01T11:12:00.000Z-Арбунич_Кастро,_Джованна"></span>Полное имя этой чилийской шахматистки «Giovanna Brunilda Arbunic Castro». Т.е. по-русски следует писать «Джованна Брунильда Арбунич Кастро»? — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Byzantine" title="Участник:Byzantine">Byzantine</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Byzantine" title="Обсуждение участника:Byzantine">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Byzantine-2021-07-01T11:12:00.000Z-Арбунич_Кастро,_Джованна" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:12, 1 июля 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Byzantine-2021-07-01T11:12:00.000Z-Арбунич_Кастро,_Джованна"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Byzantine-2021-07-01T11:12:00.000Z-Арбунич_Кастро,_Джованна"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2021-07-01T11:36:00.000Z-Byzantine-2021-07-01T11:12:00.000Z"></span>Тут не все слова испанские. Джованна - итальянское имя, и можно поверить, что его по-испански так и произносят. А вот Арбунич - даже если это из какого-то славянского языка (типа сербского) и там произносится так - надо проверить, как это произносят по-испански, может оказаться какое-нибудь Арбуник. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2021-07-01T11:36:00.000Z-Byzantine-2021-07-01T11:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 1 июля 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2021-07-01T11:36:00.000Z-Byzantine-2021-07-01T11:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2021-07-01T11:36:00.000Z-Byzantine-2021-07-01T11:12:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Byzantine-2021-07-01T12:18:00.000Z-Vcohen-2021-07-01T11:36:00.000Z"></span>Вот ссылка на словарь «Шахматы» под ред. А. Е. Карпова (1990) <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.google.ru/books/edition/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%AD%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%87/cdn_AgAAQBAJ?hl=ru&gbpv=1&dq=%D0%94%D0%B6.+%D0%90%D1%80%D0%B1%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87&pg=PA250&printsec=frontcover">[6]</a>, см. 1-ю колонку, год 1982, 2-я строчка сверху. Там написано: Дж. Арбунич (Чили). Поэтому можно сослаться на этот источник. А «Brunilda» будет как «Брунильда»? — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Byzantine" title="Участник:Byzantine">Byzantine</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Byzantine" title="Обсуждение участника:Byzantine">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Byzantine-2021-07-01T12:18:00.000Z-Vcohen-2021-07-01T11:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:18, 1 июля 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Byzantine-2021-07-01T12:18:00.000Z-Vcohen-2021-07-01T11:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Byzantine-2021-07-01T12:18:00.000Z-Vcohen-2021-07-01T11:36:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2021-07-01T12:26:00.000Z-Byzantine-2021-07-01T12:18:00.000Z"></span>Да, со словами Брунильда и Кастро вроде нет вариантов. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2021-07-01T12:26:00.000Z-Byzantine-2021-07-01T12:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:26, 1 июля 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2021-07-01T12:26:00.000Z-Byzantine-2021-07-01T12:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2021-07-01T12:26:00.000Z-Byzantine-2021-07-01T12:18:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Byzantine-2021-07-01T12:30:00.000Z-Vcohen-2021-07-01T12:26:00.000Z"></span>Спасибо. — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Byzantine" title="Участник:Byzantine">Byzantine</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Byzantine" title="Обсуждение участника:Byzantine">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Byzantine-2021-07-01T12:30:00.000Z-Vcohen-2021-07-01T12:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 1 июля 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Byzantine-2021-07-01T12:30:00.000Z-Vcohen-2021-07-01T12:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=34" title="Редактировать код раздела «Ордас Вальдес, Лизандра Тереза»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Byzantine-2022-01-25T14:16:00.000Z-Ордас_Вальдес,_Лизандра_Тереза"></span>Оригинал имени этой мексиканской шахматистки <i>Lisandra Teresa Ordaz Valdés</i>. Т.е. по правилам транскрибирования должно быть <i>Лисандра Тереса Ордас Вальдес</i>? — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Byzantine" title="Участник:Byzantine">Byzantine</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Byzantine" title="Обсуждение участника:Byzantine">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Byzantine-2022-01-25T14:16:00.000Z-Ордас_Вальдес,_Лизандра_Тереза" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 25 января 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Byzantine-2022-01-25T14:16:00.000Z-Ордас_Вальдес,_Лизандра_Тереза"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Byzantine-2022-01-25T14:16:00.000Z-Ордас_Вальдес,_Лизандра_Тереза"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2022-01-25T14:42:00.000Z-Byzantine-2022-01-25T14:16:00.000Z"></span>Вроде да. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2022-01-25T14:42:00.000Z-Byzantine-2022-01-25T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:42, 25 января 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2022-01-25T14:42:00.000Z-Byzantine-2022-01-25T14:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2022-01-25T14:42:00.000Z-Byzantine-2022-01-25T14:16:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Byzantine-2022-01-25T14:53:00.000Z-Vcohen-2022-01-25T14:42:00.000Z"></span>Спасибо! — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Byzantine" title="Участник:Byzantine">Byzantine</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Byzantine" title="Обсуждение участника:Byzantine">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Byzantine-2022-01-25T14:53:00.000Z-Vcohen-2022-01-25T14:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 25 января 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Byzantine-2022-01-25T14:53:00.000Z-Vcohen-2022-01-25T14:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Byzantine-2022-01-25T14:53:00.000Z-Vcohen-2022-01-25T14:42:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Акансех" data-mw-thread-id="h-Акансех-2022-02-01T21:06:00.000Z"><span id=".D0.90.D0.BA.D0.B0.D0.BD.D1.81.D0.B5.D1.85"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Акансех-2022-02-01T21:06:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%85" class="mw-disambig" title="Акансех">Акансех</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Акансех-2022-02-01T21:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=35" title="Редактировать код раздела «Акансех»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Capmo-2022-02-01T21:06:00.000Z-Акансех"></span>Acanceh</i> — это имя майя, которое произносится как <b>Аканке</b>. Согласно испанским источникам: </p> <ul><li><i>El toponímico Acanceh (pronúnciase Acanqué) significa en idioma maya "quejido de venado" por provenir de los vocablos "Acan" (quejido) y "Ceh" o "Ceeh" (venado).</i> [Топонимическое слово <i>Acanceh</i> (произносится как Аканке) означает на языке майя стон оленя, потому что оно происходит от слов «Acan» (стон) и «Ceh» или «Ceeh» (олень).] <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.guiaturisticamexico.com/municipio.php?id_e=31&id_Municipio=02104&nombre=Acanceh">[7]</a></li> <li><i>El toponímico Acanceh (pronúnciase Acanqué) significa en idioma maya ‘quejido de venado’</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.unioncancun.mx/articulo/2016/07/11/infraestructura/significado-de-calles-importantes-de-cancun">[8]</a></li> <li><i>Acanceh (pronúnciase Acanqué) es un yacimiento arqueológico maya localizado en la ciudad moderna de Acanceh.</i> [Acanceh (произносится как Аканке) - археологический памятник майя, расположенный в современном городе Acanceh.] (<a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acanceh_(zona_arqueol%C3%B3gica)" class="extiw" title="es:Acanceh (zona arqueológica)">es:Acanceh (zona arqueológica)</a>)</li></ul> <p>Согласно английским источникам: </p> <ul><li><i>Over 300 Maya structures have been identified in Acanceh, pronounced ah-kan-kay.</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://yucatanmagazine.com/the-new-and-the-old-meet-in-acanceh/#:~:text=Over%20300%20Maya%20structures%20have,pronounced%20ah-kan-kay.">[9]</a></li> <li><i>Acanceh (pronounced ah-cahn-KAY) means "dying deer" in Mayan</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://yucatanliving.com/video/yucatan-passion-of-the-christ">[10]</a></li> <li><i>Acanceh (pronounced ah-cahn-KEH) ... is a small farming town.</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.com.br/books?id=rpcqDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT55&lpg=PT55&source=bl&ots=Zbdi_9JwIs&sig=ACfU3U0sqXNkLWGXx2Y2EUBXTY8X3Mh18A&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiyiqOnoN_1AhXDpJUCHTYeBwAQ6AF6BAgdEAM#v=onepage&f=false">[11]</a></li> <li><i>Acanceh: Ah-cahn-KAY</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.com.br/books?id=gWZ3nQ2ObtEC&pg=PA435&lpg=PA435&source=bl&ots=n67UhFHbu1&sig=ACfU3U0VrXqtViZjnjz48BRictbmp_9RXg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiyiqOnoN_1AhXDpJUCHTYeBwAQ6AF6BAgeEAM#v=onepage&f=false">[12]</a></li> <li><i>Acanceh (pronounced Ah-Cahn-KAY) is a small Mayan site in the Yucatán peninsula</i> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.thoughtco.com/maya-archaeological-ruins-in-the-yucatan-4088396">[13]</a></li></ul> <p>Я прошу переименовать страницу устранения неоднозначности, указанную выше, а также страницы, на которые есть ссылки внутри нее. Спасибо! <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Capmo" title="Участник:Capmo"><i>Capmo</i></a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Capmo" title="Обсуждение участника:Capmo"><i>Обсуждение</i></a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Capmo-2022-02-01T21:06:00.000Z-Акансех" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 1 февраля 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Capmo-2022-02-01T21:06:00.000Z-Акансех"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Capmo-2022-02-01T21:06:00.000Z-Акансех"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2022-02-02T09:02:00.000Z-Capmo-2022-02-01T21:06:00.000Z"></span>В каком смысле "прошу переименовать"? Эта страница для того, чтобы убедиться в правильности транскрипции. Если у Вас нет сомнений и нет вопросов, то что Вам мешает взять и переименовать? <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2022-02-02T09:02:00.000Z-Capmo-2022-02-01T21:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:02, 2 февраля 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2022-02-02T09:02:00.000Z-Capmo-2022-02-01T21:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2022-02-02T09:02:00.000Z-Capmo-2022-02-01T21:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Capmo-2022-02-07T16:52:00.000Z-Vcohen-2022-02-02T09:02:00.000Z"></span>Я просто хотел убедиться, что это по обоюдному согласию. Но, конечно, я могу это сделать, если никто не возражает. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Capmo" title="Участник:Capmo"><i>Capmo</i></a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Capmo" title="Обсуждение участника:Capmo"><i>Обсуждение</i></a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Capmo-2022-02-07T16:52:00.000Z-Vcohen-2022-02-02T09:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:52, 7 февраля 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Capmo-2022-02-07T16:52:00.000Z-Vcohen-2022-02-02T09:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Capmo-2022-02-07T16:52:00.000Z-Vcohen-2022-02-02T09:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MikSed-2022-02-07T18:56:00.000Z-Capmo-2022-02-01T21:06:00.000Z"></span>Вы мне год назад задавали этот вопрос. Я Вам ответил, что по русским топографическим картам пишется — Акансех. — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:MikSed" title="Участник:MikSed">MikSed</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:MikSed" title="Обсуждение участника:MikSed">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-MikSed-2022-02-07T18:56:00.000Z-Capmo-2022-02-01T21:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 7 февраля 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MikSed-2022-02-07T18:56:00.000Z-Capmo-2022-02-01T21:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MikSed-2022-02-07T18:56:00.000Z-Capmo-2022-02-01T21:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Capmo-2022-02-07T19:29:00.000Z-MikSed-2022-02-07T18:56:00.000Z"></span>Можете ли вы показать нам свои источники? Если у вас нет надежного источника, правильное произношение должно иметь приоритет. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Capmo" title="Участник:Capmo"><i>Capmo</i></a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Capmo" title="Обсуждение участника:Capmo"><i>Обсуждение</i></a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Capmo-2022-02-07T19:29:00.000Z-MikSed-2022-02-07T18:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 7 февраля 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Capmo-2022-02-07T19:29:00.000Z-MikSed-2022-02-07T18:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Capmo-2022-02-07T19:29:00.000Z-MikSed-2022-02-07T18:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MikSed-2022-02-07T20:01:00.000Z-Capmo-2022-02-07T19:29:00.000Z"></span>По правилам именования статей в русской википедии, приоритет имеет название, опубликованное в русских источниках, остальные приводятся справочно. Название географических объектов даются согласно русским картам. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://satmaps.info/map.php?s=500k&map=f-16-3">Вот карта</a> на которой указано название Акансех. В дальнейшем прошу переименования статей обсуждать <a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%9A%D0%9F%D0%9C" class="mw-redirect" title="Википедия:КПМ">здесь</a>. — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:MikSed" title="Участник:MikSed">MikSed</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:MikSed" title="Обсуждение участника:MikSed">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-MikSed-2022-02-07T20:01:00.000Z-Capmo-2022-02-07T19:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 7 февраля 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MikSed-2022-02-07T20:01:00.000Z-Capmo-2022-02-07T19:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MikSed-2022-02-07T20:01:00.000Z-Capmo-2022-02-07T19:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Capmo-2022-02-08T16:42:00.000Z-MikSed-2022-02-07T20:01:00.000Z"></span>Спасибо за ссылку. К сожалению, картографы тоже допускают ошибки... В любом случае, в статьях должно быть примечание, информирующее о правильном майяском (и испанском) произношении этого слова. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Capmo" title="Участник:Capmo"><i>Capmo</i></a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Capmo" title="Обсуждение участника:Capmo"><i>Обсуждение</i></a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Capmo-2022-02-08T16:42:00.000Z-MikSed-2022-02-07T20:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 8 февраля 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Capmo-2022-02-08T16:42:00.000Z-MikSed-2022-02-07T20:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Capmo-2022-02-08T16:42:00.000Z-MikSed-2022-02-07T20:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cerro_Hú" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cerro_Hú-2022-02-05T15:40:00.000Z"><span id="Cerro_H.C3.BA"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cerro_Hú-2022-02-05T15:40:00.000Z"></span>Cerro Hú<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cerro_Hú-2022-02-05T15:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=36" title="Редактировать код раздела «Cerro Hú»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Виктор_Пинчук-2022-02-05T15:40:00.000Z-Cerro_Hú"></span>Как по-русски написать название этого холма? «Серро-Ху», или буква "h" в испанском не читается? — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%87%D1%83%D0%BA" title="Участник:Виктор Пинчук">Виктор Пинчук</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%87%D1%83%D0%BA" title="Обсуждение участника:Виктор Пинчук">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Виктор_Пинчук-2022-02-05T15:40:00.000Z-Cerro_Hú" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:40, 5 февраля 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Виктор_Пинчук-2022-02-05T15:40:00.000Z-Cerro_Hú"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Виктор_Пинчук-2022-02-05T15:40:00.000Z-Cerro_Hú"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2022-02-05T16:08:00.000Z-Виктор_Пинчук-2022-02-05T15:40:00.000Z"></span>Если это действительно испанский, то должно быть Серро-У. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2022-02-05T16:08:00.000Z-Виктор_Пинчук-2022-02-05T15:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 5 февраля 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2022-02-05T16:08:00.000Z-Виктор_Пинчук-2022-02-05T15:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2022-02-05T16:08:00.000Z-Виктор_Пинчук-2022-02-05T15:40:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Виктор_Пинчук-2022-02-05T18:55:00.000Z-Vcohen-2022-02-05T16:08:00.000Z"></span>Ок, пусть будет так: <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q110821430">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q110821430</a> — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%87%D1%83%D0%BA" title="Участник:Виктор Пинчук">Виктор Пинчук</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%87%D1%83%D0%BA" title="Обсуждение участника:Виктор Пинчук">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Виктор_Пинчук-2022-02-05T18:55:00.000Z-Vcohen-2022-02-05T16:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 5 февраля 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Виктор_Пинчук-2022-02-05T18:55:00.000Z-Vcohen-2022-02-05T16:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=37" title="Редактировать код раздела «Эйзагуэрри Флорис, Мария»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Byzantine-2022-02-10T12:02:00.000Z-Эйзагуэрри_Флорис,_Мария"></span>Оригинал имени этой испанской шахматистки — <i>Maria Eizaguerri Floris</i>. Как я понимаю, верная транскрипция <i>Мария Эйсагерри Флорис</i>? — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Byzantine" title="Участник:Byzantine">Byzantine</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Byzantine" title="Обсуждение участника:Byzantine">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Byzantine-2022-02-10T12:02:00.000Z-Эйзагуэрри_Флорис,_Мария" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 10 февраля 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Byzantine-2022-02-10T12:02:00.000Z-Эйзагуэрри_Флорис,_Мария"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Byzantine-2022-02-10T12:02:00.000Z-Эйзагуэрри_Флорис,_Мария"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-2022-02-10T12:12:00.000Z-Byzantine-2022-02-10T12:02:00.000Z"></span>Мне тоже так кажется. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-2022-02-10T12:12:00.000Z-Byzantine-2022-02-10T12:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:12, 10 февраля 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-2022-02-10T12:12:00.000Z-Byzantine-2022-02-10T12:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-2022-02-10T12:12:00.000Z-Byzantine-2022-02-10T12:02:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Byzantine-2022-02-10T12:39:00.000Z-Vcohen-2022-02-10T12:12:00.000Z"></span>Спасибо! — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Byzantine" title="Участник:Byzantine">Byzantine</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Byzantine" title="Обсуждение участника:Byzantine">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Byzantine-2022-02-10T12:39:00.000Z-Vcohen-2022-02-10T12:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:39, 10 февраля 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Byzantine-2022-02-10T12:39:00.000Z-Vcohen-2022-02-10T12:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Byzantine-2022-02-10T12:39:00.000Z-Vcohen-2022-02-10T12:12:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Faro_de_Pechiguera" data-mw-thread-id="h-Faro_de_Pechiguera-20220901210100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Faro_de_Pechiguera-20220901210100"></span>Faro de Pechiguera<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Faro_de_Pechiguera-20220901210100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=38" title="Редактировать код раздела «Faro de Pechiguera»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valmin-20220901210100-Faro_de_Pechiguera"></span>Коллеги, подскажите пожалуйста как правильно будет на русском языке: Маяк Печигуера или Маяк Печигера. Спасибо.— С уважением, <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Valmin" title="Участник:Valmin">Valmin</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Valmin" title="Обсуждение участника:Valmin">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Valmin-20220901210100-Faro_de_Pechiguera" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 1 сентября 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valmin-20220901210100-Faro_de_Pechiguera"><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=39" title="Редактировать код раздела «Эхарте, Рикардо»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Simba16-20220929120200-Эхарте,_Рикардо"></span>? — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Simba16" title="Участник:Simba16">Simba16</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Simba16" title="Обсуждение участника:Simba16">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Simba16-20220929120200-Эхарте,_Рикардо" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 29 сентября 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Simba16-20220929120200-Эхарте,_Рикардо"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span 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class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Georgina_Amorós_Sagrera" data-mw-thread-id="h-Georgina_Amorós_Sagrera-20221108093300"><span id="Georgina_Amor.C3.B3s_Sagrera"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Georgina_Amorós_Sagrera-20221108093300"></span>Georgina Amorós Sagrera<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Georgina_Amorós_Sagrera-20221108093300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=40" title="Редактировать код раздела «Georgina Amorós Sagrera»"><span>править код</span></a><span 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Как правильно написать её имя? По транскрипции с испанского надо написать Хеорхина, но переводчики гугла и яндекса говорят, что её имя это что-то относящееся к каталанскому языку. Если это так, то получается, что её зовут Жеоржина, а не Хеорхина. В общем, помогите установить принадлежность её имени (испанское или каталанское). — <span style="font-family:Consolas; text-shadow:#A0A0A0 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em"><a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Tarkoff" title="Обсуждение участника:Tarkoff">Tarkoff</a> / </span> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Tarkoff-20221108093300-Georgina_Amorós_Sagrera" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:33, 8 ноября 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tarkoff-20221108093300-Georgina_Amorós_Sagrera"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tarkoff-20221108093300-Georgina_Amorós_Sagrera"></span> </p> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJK2fKbjIhA&t=2s"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BFD-69-20221108111000-Tarkoff-20221108093300"></span>Однозначно каталанское</a>. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:BFD-69" title="Участник:BFD-69">BFD-69</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:BFD-69" title="Обсуждение участника:BFD-69">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-BFD-69-20221108111000-Tarkoff-20221108093300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:10, 8 ноября 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BFD-69-20221108111000-Tarkoff-20221108093300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BFD-69-20221108111000-Tarkoff-20221108093300"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tarkoff-20221112140800-BFD-69-20221108111000"></span>Спасибо большое. — <span style="font-family:Consolas; text-shadow:#A0A0A0 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em"><a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Tarkoff" title="Обсуждение участника:Tarkoff">Tarkoff</a> / </span> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Tarkoff-20221112140800-BFD-69-20221108111000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 12 ноября 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tarkoff-20221112140800-BFD-69-20221108111000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tarkoff-20221112140800-BFD-69-20221108111000"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Альба,_Хакобо_Фитц-Джеймс_Стюарт_(1821)_и_его_родня" data-mw-thread-id="h-Альба,_Хакобо_Фитц-Джеймс_Стюарт_(1821)_и_его_р-20221226135700"><span id=".D0.90.D0.BB.D1.8C.D0.B1.D0.B0.2C_.D0.A5.D0.B0.D0.BA.D0.BE.D0.B1.D0.BE_.D0.A4.D0.B8.D1.82.D1.86-.D0.94.D0.B6.D0.B5.D0.B9.D0.BC.D1.81_.D0.A1.D1.82.D1.8E.D0.B0.D1.80.D1.82_.281821.29_.D0.B8_.D0.B5.D0.B3.D0.BE_.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.B4.D0.BD.D1.8F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Альба,_Хакобо_Фитц-Джеймс_Стюарт_(1821)_и_его_р-20221226135700"></span><a href="/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B1%D0%B0,_%D0%A5%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE_%D0%A4%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%86-%D0%94%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%BC%D1%81_%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%8E%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82_(1821)" title="Альба, Хакобо Фитц-Джеймс Стюарт (1821)">Альба, Хакобо Фитц-Джеймс Стюарт (1821)</a> и его родня<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Альба,_Хакобо_Фитц-Джеймс_Стюарт_(1821)_и_его_р-20221226135700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=41" title="Редактировать код раздела «Альба, Хакобо Фитц-Джеймс Стюарт (1821) и его родня»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ignatus-20221226135700-Альба,_Хакобо_Фитц-Джеймс_Стюарт_(1821)_и_его_р"></span>Немного интернациональная тема для Испании, может, не сюда надо писать. Насколько в данном случае оправдана передача Fitz как Фитц? Также вопрос, нужны ли дефисы в <a href="/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%81_%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE-%D0%B8-%D0%9A%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA,_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%A4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0" title="Палафокс Портокарреро-и-Киркпатрик, Мария Франсиска">Палафокс Портокарреро-и-Киркпатрик, Мария Франсиска</a>? <a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Ignatus" title="Обсуждение участника:Ignatus">Ig</a><a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Ignatus" title="Участник:Ignatus">natus</a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Ignatus-20221226135700-Альба,_Хакобо_Фитц-Джеймс_Стюарт_(1821)_и_его_р" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:57, 26 декабря 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ignatus-20221226135700-Альба,_Хакобо_Фитц-Джеймс_Стюарт_(1821)_и_его_р"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ignatus-20221226135700-Альба,_Хакобо_Фитц-Джеймс_Стюарт_(1821)_и_его_р"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BFD-69-20221227083700-Ignatus-20221226135700"></span>Учитывая, что добавляется в ФИО для подчёркивания английского происхождения рода, то вполне оправдана (как и соотв. передача Джеймса со Стюартом). Разве что в АИ доминировало бы иное. Дефисы для пиренейских фамилий с союзом являются традиционной нормой. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:BFD-69" title="Участник:BFD-69">BFD-69</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:BFD-69" title="Обсуждение участника:BFD-69">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-BFD-69-20221227083700-Ignatus-20221226135700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:37, 27 декабря 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=42" title="Редактировать код раздела «Агустин Дуран»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA" title="Испанский язык"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schekinov_Alexey_Victorovich-20230405182500-Агустин_Дуран"></span>исп.</a> <span lang="es" style="font-style:italic;">Agustín Francisco Gato Durán y de Vicente Yáñez</span> = <a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%90%D0%B3%D1%83%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%A4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE_%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE_%D0%94%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%B8_%D0%92%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B5_%D0%AF%D0%BD%D1%8C%D0%B5%D1%81&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Агустин Франсиско Гато Дуран и Висенте Яньес (страница отсутствует)">Агустин Франсиско Гато Дуран и Висенте Яньес</a>? <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Schekinov_Alexey_Victorovich" title="Участник:Schekinov Alexey Victorovich"><i><span style="text-shadow:#404040 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">@ → SAV ©</span></i></a> <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Schekinov_Alexey_Victorovich-20230405182500-Агустин_Дуран" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 5 апреля 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schekinov_Alexey_Victorovich-20230405182500-Агустин_Дуран"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schekinov_Alexey_Victorovich-20230405182500-Агустин_Дуран"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-20230406124700-Schekinov_Alexey_Victorovich-20230405182500"></span>...и <b>де</b> Висенте... <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-20230406124700-Schekinov_Alexey_Victorovich-20230405182500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:47, 6 апреля 2023 (UTC)</a><span 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href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Schekinov_Alexey_Victorovich-20230406195300-Vcohen-20230406124700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 6 апреля 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schekinov_Alexey_Victorovich-20230406195300-Vcohen-20230406124700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-20230406200300-Schekinov_Alexey_Victorovich-20230406195300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:03, 6 апреля 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-20230406200300-Schekinov_Alexey_Victorovich-20230406195300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-20230406200300-Schekinov_Alexey_Victorovich-20230406195300"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="es:Joane_Somarriba" data-mw-thread-id="h-es:Joane_Somarriba-20231222093700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-es:Joane_Somarriba-20231222093700"></span><a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joane_Somarriba" class="extiw" title="es:Joane Somarriba">es:Joane Somarriba</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-es:Joane_Somarriba-20231222093700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=43" title="Редактировать код раздела «es:Joane Somarriba»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Voyagerim-20231222093700-es:Joane_Somarriba"></span>Испанская велогонщица. Её зовут <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://m.sports.ru/automoto/2859967.html?ysclid=lqgfsk41um889445219">Жоан</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.sport-express.ru/newspaper/2001-08-07/7_4/">Джоан</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://blog.centroadelante.ru/strani/a-i/espana/">Жоане</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://sportrbc.ru/news/5754cf009a794743bb229611?ysclid=lqgfte6mwh254720625">Хоан</a> или <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://sportrbc.ru/news/5754c30c9a794743bb223036?ysclid=lqgfu342me182636260">Хоане</a>? Спасибо -- <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Voyagerim" title="Участник:Voyagerim">Voyagerim</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Voyagerim" title="Обсуждение участника:Voyagerim">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Voyagerim-20231222093700-es:Joane_Somarriba" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37, 22 декабря 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Voyagerim-20231222093700-es:Joane_Somarriba"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Voyagerim-20231222093700-es:Joane_Somarriba"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-20231222220200-Voyagerim-20231222093700"></span>Если передавать с испанского, то будет Хоане. Но такое обилие вариантов наводит на мысль, что пытаются передавать с других языков и что само ее имя происходит из другого языка. Так что надо сначала разобраться с этим и принять решение, с какого языка передавать. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-20231222220200-Voyagerim-20231222093700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:02, 22 декабря 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-20231222220200-Voyagerim-20231222093700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-20231222220200-Voyagerim-20231222093700"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Voyagerim-20231222223300-Vcohen-20231222220200"></span>Родилась в Испании, живёт в Испании, замужем за испанцем. Есть небольшая вероятность, что передавать можно с испанского, не? -- <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Voyagerim" title="Участник:Voyagerim">Voyagerim</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Voyagerim" title="Обсуждение участника:Voyagerim">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Voyagerim-20231222223300-Vcohen-20231222220200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 22 декабря 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Voyagerim-20231222223300-Vcohen-20231222220200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Voyagerim-20231222223300-Vcohen-20231222220200"></span> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8-%D0%9F%D1%83%D1%85_(%D0%BC%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC)" title="Винни-Пух (мультфильм)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-20231222223800-Voyagerim-20231222223300"></span>Это "ж" неспроста</a>. В Испании тоже есть баскский, каталанский и т.д. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-20231222223800-Voyagerim-20231222223300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:38, 22 декабря 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-20231222223800-Voyagerim-20231222223300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-20231222223800-Voyagerim-20231222223300"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Voyagerim-20231222224100-Vcohen-20231222223800"></span>В видосиках на ютубе слышится больше как Жоане.. -- <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Voyagerim" title="Участник:Voyagerim">Voyagerim</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Voyagerim" title="Обсуждение участника:Voyagerim">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Voyagerim-20231222224100-Vcohen-20231222223800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:41, 22 декабря 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Voyagerim-20231222224100-Vcohen-20231222223800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Voyagerim-20231222224100-Vcohen-20231222223800"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-20231222225600-Voyagerim-20231222224100"></span>Я сейчас посмотрел, что она таки родилась в Стране Басков. <a href="/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F" title="Баскско-русская практическая транскрипция">Правила транскрипции с баскского</a> дают для буквы J много вариантов. Могу предложить сначала создать статью, а потом вынести ее на КПМ. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-20231222225600-Voyagerim-20231222224100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 22 декабря 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-20231222225600-Voyagerim-20231222224100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-20231222225600-Voyagerim-20231222224100"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="es:Ian_Subiabre" data-mw-thread-id="h-es:Ian_Subiabre-20240720165000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-es:Ian_Subiabre-20240720165000"></span><a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Subiabre" class="extiw" title="es:Ian Subiabre">es:Ian Subiabre</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-es:Ian_Subiabre-20240720165000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=44" title="Редактировать код раздела «es:Ian Subiabre»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Илья_Яковлев-20240720165000-es:Ian_Subiabre"></span>В русских источниках его называют Яном, это правильный вариант? <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%98%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%8F_%D0%AF%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B2" title="Участник:Илья Яковлев">Илья Яковлев</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:%D0%98%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%8F_%D0%AF%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B2" title="Обсуждение участника:Илья Яковлев">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Илья_Яковлев-20240720165000-es:Ian_Subiabre" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 20 июля 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Илья_Яковлев-20240720165000-es:Ian_Subiabre"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Илья_Яковлев-20240720165000-es:Ian_Subiabre"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Дейви_Вера_Сигуэнас" data-mw-thread-id="h-Дейви_Вера_Сигуэнас-20240808080400"><span id=".D0.94.D0.B5.D0.B9.D0.B2.D0.B8_.D0.92.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B0_.D0.A1.D0.B8.D0.B3.D1.83.D1.8D.D0.BD.D0.B0.D1.81"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Дейви_Вера_Сигуэнас-20240808080400"></span>Дейви Вера Сигуэнас<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Дейви_Вера_Сигуэнас-20240808080400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=45" title="Редактировать код раздела «Дейви Вера Сигуэнас»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Byzantine-20240808080400-Дейви_Вера_Сигуэнас"></span>Перуанский шахматист, в оригинале имя пишется <i>Deivy Vera Sigueñas</i>. На мой взгляд, по-русски должно быть <i>Дейви Вера Сигеньяс</i>. Так ли это? <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Byzantine" title="Участник:Byzantine">Byzantine</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Byzantine" title="Обсуждение участника:Byzantine">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Byzantine-20240808080400-Дейви_Вера_Сигуэнас" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:04, 8 августа 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Byzantine-20240808080400-Дейви_Вера_Сигуэнас"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Byzantine-20240808080400-Дейви_Вера_Сигуэнас"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-20240808083900-Byzantine-20240808080400"></span>Да, если над U нет двух точек, то именно Сигеньяс. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-20240808083900-Byzantine-20240808080400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:39, 8 августа 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-20240808083900-Byzantine-20240808080400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-20240808083900-Byzantine-20240808080400"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Byzantine-20240808090800-Vcohen-20240808083900"></span>Спасибо. — <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Byzantine" title="Участник:Byzantine">Byzantine</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Byzantine" title="Обсуждение участника:Byzantine">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Byzantine-20240808090800-Vcohen-20240808083900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:08, 8 августа 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Byzantine-20240808090800-Vcohen-20240808083900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Byzantine-20240808090800-Vcohen-20240808083900"></span></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Los_Adaes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Los_Adaes-20241121113000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Los_Adaes-20241121113000"></span>Los Adaes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Los_Adaes-20241121113000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA&action=edit&section=46" title="Редактировать код раздела «Los Adaes»"><span>править код</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cathraht-20241121113000-Los_Adaes"></span>Лос-Адаес? Или "ae" в испанском иначе передаётся? <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Cathraht" title="Участник:Cathraht">Cathraht</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Cathraht" title="Обсуждение участника:Cathraht">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Cathraht-20241121113000-Los_Adaes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:30, 21 ноября 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cathraht-20241121113000-Los_Adaes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cathraht-20241121113000-Los_Adaes"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vcohen-20241121121200-Cathraht-20241121113000"></span>Лос-Адаэс. Буква E после гласных - Э. Нет причин для йотирования. <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Vcohen" title="Участник:Vcohen">Vcohen</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Vcohen" title="Обсуждение участника:Vcohen">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Vcohen-20241121121200-Cathraht-20241121113000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:12, 21 ноября 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vcohen-20241121121200-Cathraht-20241121113000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vcohen-20241121121200-Cathraht-20241121113000"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cathraht-20241121124800-Vcohen-20241121121200"></span>Понял, спасибо! <a href="/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Cathraht" title="Участник:Cathraht">Cathraht</a> (<a href="/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:Cathraht" title="Обсуждение участника:Cathraht">обс.</a>) <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E_%D0%B8_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8E/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA#c-Cathraht-20241121124800-Vcohen-20241121121200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:48, 21 ноября 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cathraht-20241121124800-Vcohen-20241121121200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">ответить</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cathraht-20241121124800-Vcohen-20241121121200"></span></li></ul></li></ul>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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