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class="mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output" lang="en" dir="ltr" data-mw-parsoid-version="0.21.0.0-alpha9" data-mw-html-version="2.8.0"><section data-mw-section-id="0" id="mwAQ"><table class="metadata plainlinks ambox " style="margin:0 10% 1.5em;border:1px solid #AAAAAA;background:#f8eaba;border-left:1px #BBBBAA solid;" about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" id="mwAg" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"starpotential","href":"./Template:Starpotential"},"params":{},"i":0}}]}'><tbody><tr> <td class="mbox-image" style="border:none;padding:2px 0 2px 0.9em;text-align:center;"><div style="width:52px;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/File:Articles_for_improvement_star.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img resource="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/File:Articles_for_improvement_star.svg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Articles_for_improvement_star.svg/50px-Articles_for_improvement_star.svg.png" decoding="async" data-file-width="141" 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It's well written with great information. However, for <b><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Star_articles" title="Wikivoyage:Star articles">Star</a></b> status it needs both to be <i>entirely</i> complete and to <i>exactly</i> match the <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Manual_of_style" title="Wikivoyage:Manual of style">manual of style</a>. If you see how it can be improved, please <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Plunge_forward" title="Wikivoyage:Plunge forward">plunge forward</a> or point it out on the talk page.</td> </tr></tbody></table><span about="#mwt1"> </span><link rel="mw:PageProp/Category" href="./Category:Star_potential" about="#mwt1" id="mwAw"/> <table class="metadata plainlinks ombox " style="margin:0 10% 1.5em;border:1px solid #AAAAAA;background:#FBFBFB;color:#333;border-left:1px #BBBBAA solid;" about="#mwt2" typeof="mw:Transclusion" id="mwBA" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Airport expedition","href":"./Template:Airport_expedition"},"params":{},"i":0}}]}'><tbody><tr> <td class="mbox-image" style="border:none;padding:2px 0 2px 0.9em;text-align:center;"><div style="width:52px;"><span typeof="mw:File" data-mw='{"caption":"Information"}'><span title="Information"><img alt="Information" resource="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/File:Ambox_notice.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Ambox_notice.png" decoding="async" data-file-width="40" data-file-height="40" data-file-type="bitmap" height="40" width="40" class="mw-file-element"/></span></span></div></td> <td class="mbox-text" style="width:100%;border:none;padding:0.25em 0.9em;text-align:left;"><span style="color:black">This article was created as part of the <b><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Airport_Expedition" title="Wikivoyage:Airport Expedition">Airport Expedition</a></b> to decide upon and implement the best means of writing airport guides. If you have any ideas as to how the approach used here could be improved, please join <b><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage_talk:Airport_Expedition" title="Wikivoyage talk:Airport Expedition">our discussion there</a></b>.</span></td> </tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc" id="mwBQ" data-mw='{"autoGenerated":true}'/></section><section data-mw-section-id="1" id="mwBg"><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="VFD_Discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-VFD_Discussion"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-VFD_Discussion"></span>VFD Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-VFD_Discussion"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection" id="mwAA"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket" id="mwAU8">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: VFD Discussion" id="mwAVA"><span id="mwAVE">edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket" id="mwAVI">]</span></span></div> <p id="mwBw">Airport articles are discouraged, and although ATL is busy, it's largely a <i id="mwCA">transfer</i> airport and not exceptionally complex or isolated -- doesn't really fit into the <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:What_is_an_article%3F#Exceptions" title="Wikivoyage:What is an article?" id="mwCQ">exceptions</a>, and the useful bits from the article could easily transfer into <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Atlanta" title="Atlanta" id="mwCg">Atlanta</a> without overburdening it.</p> <ul id="mwCw"><li id="mwDA"><b id="mwDQ">Merge and delete</b>. — <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:(WT-en)_Dguillaime" title="User:(WT-en) Dguillaime" class="mw-redirect" id="mwDg">(WT-en) D. Guillaime</a> 20:37, 27 July 2011 (EDT)</li></ul> <ul id="mwDw"><li id="mwEA"><ul id="mwEQ"><li id="mwEg">Seems like a transfer airport is a <i id="mwEw">better</i> candidate for a standalone article, because the majority of passengers using it don't care about Atlanta and just want to know how to get around the airport. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:(WT-en)_LtPowers" title="User:(WT-en) LtPowers" class="mw-redirect" id="mwFA">(WT-en) LtPowers</a> 22:55, 27 July 2011 (EDT)</li></ul></li></ul> <ul id="mwFQ"><li id="mwFg"><b id="mwFw">Merge and delete</b> according to policy at <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/What_is_an_article%3F#Exceptions" title="What is an article?" class="mw-redirect" id="mwGA">exceptions</a> (this clearly isn't one).--<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:(WT-en)_Burmesedays" title="User:(WT-en) Burmesedays" id="mwGQ">(WT-en) Burmesedays</a> 03:24, 28 July 2011 (EDT)</li></ul> <dl id="mwGg"><dd id="mwGw"><ul id="mwHA"><li id="mwHQ">How do you figure it isn't an exception? The example exceptions are Kansai and Heathrow, both of which are smaller airports than Atlanta in terms of land area, number of passengers moved, number of flights, and number of destinations. —<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:(WT-en)_BigPeteB" title="User:(WT-en) BigPeteB" class="mw-redirect" id="mwHg">(WT-en) BigPeteB</a> 09:44, 28 July 2011 (EDT)</li></ul></dd></dl> <dl id="mwHw"><dd id="mwIA"><dl id="mwIQ"><dd id="mwIg">I should have been more specific perhaps. My memories of Atlanta are that it is not especially complex or interesting, and as it handles relatively few international flights, has only run-of-the-mill shopping and dining options. Kansai and Heathrow are the direct opposite of those factors. The article bears that out by not being very long, and could easily be merged into <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Atlanta" title="Atlanta" id="mwIw">Atlanta</a>. Heathrow and Kansai by contrast would seriously over-burden their respective city articles. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:(WT-en)_Burmesedays" title="User:(WT-en) Burmesedays" id="mwJA">(WT-en) Burmesedays</a> 10:28, 28 July 2011 (EDT)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl id="mwJQ"><dd id="mwJg"><dl id="mwJw"><dd id="mwKA"><dl id="mwKQ"><dd id="mwKg">Okay, now I understand your point. In that case (and it's easier to see this in hindsight than when I started the article) I agree that there's really not much info in spite of it being such a large airport, and it could easily be merged. I'm happy to do that sometime next week after I get back from a trip. —<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:(WT-en)_BigPeteB" title="User:(WT-en) BigPeteB" class="mw-redirect" id="mwKw">(WT-en) BigPeteB</a> 11:27, 28 July 2011 (EDT)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul id="mwLA"><li id="mwLQ"><b id="mwLg">Merge and delete</b> - I agree with what Dguillaime said: "not exceptionally complex or isolated" = "doesn't really fit into the exceptions". <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:(WT-en)_Texugo" title="User:(WT-en) Texugo" class="mw-redirect" id="mwLw">(WT-en) texugo</a> 09:58, 28 July 2011 (EDT)</li></ul> <ul id="mwMA"><li id="mwMQ"><b id="mwMg">Merge and redirect</b>. I don't see any reason why this shouldn't be a redirect, but the arguments for merging seem persuasive. -- <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:(WT-en)_Wrh2" title="User:(WT-en) Wrh2" class="mw-redirect" id="mwMw">(WT-en) Ryan</a> <span typeof="mw:Entity" id="mwNA">•</span> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:(WT-en)_Wrh2" title="User talk:(WT-en) Wrh2" class="mw-redirect" id="mwNQ">talk</a>) <span typeof="mw:Entity" id="mwNg">•</span> 11:32, 28 July 2011 (EDT)</li></ul> <ul id="mwNw"><li id="mwOA">Actually, I meant merge and <b id="mwOQ">re-direct</b> also. That creates an easy search term which our crappy search engine will recognise. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:(WT-en)_Burmesedays" title="User:(WT-en) Burmesedays" id="mwOg">(WT-en) Burmesedays</a> 11:51, 28 July 2011 (EDT)</li></ul> <p id="mwOw"><b id="mwPA">Result: Merge</b>. -- <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:(WT-en)_Wrh2" title="User:(WT-en) Wrh2" class="mw-redirect" id="mwPQ">(WT-en) Ryan</a> <span typeof="mw:Entity" id="mwPg">•</span> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:(WT-en)_Wrh2" title="User talk:(WT-en) Wrh2" class="mw-redirect" id="mwPw">talk</a>) <span typeof="mw:Entity" id="mwQA">•</span> 13:28, 13 August 2011 (EDT)</p> </section><section data-mw-section-id="2" id="mwQQ"><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Free_WiFi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Free_WiFi-2014-06-06T01:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Free_WiFi-2014-06-06T01:24:00.000Z"></span>Free WiFi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Free_WiFi-2014-06-06T01:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection" id="mwAVM"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket" id="mwAVQ">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Free WiFi" id="mwAVU"><span id="mwAVY">edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket" id="mwAVc">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Pashley-2014-06-06T01:24:00.000Z-Free_WiFi">10 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p id="mwQg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pashley-2014-06-06T01:24:00.000Z-Free_WiFi"></span>Soon, according to <a rel="mw:ExtLink nofollow" href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2014/06/04/free-wi-fi-coming-to-atlantas-airport/9946685/" class="external text" id="mwQw">USA Today</a>. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Pashley" title="User:Pashley" id="mwRA">Pashley</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Pashley" title="User talk:Pashley" id="mwRQ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Pashley-2014-06-06T01:24:00.000Z-Free_WiFi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:24, 6 June 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pashley-2014-06-06T01:24:00.000Z-Free_WiFi"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pashley-2014-06-06T01:24:00.000Z-Free_WiFi"></span></p> </section><section data-mw-section-id="3" id="mwRg"><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Article_status" data-mw-thread-id="h-Article_status-2015-04-13T22:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Article_status-2015-04-13T22:48:00.000Z"></span>Article status<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Article_status-2015-04-13T22:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection" id="mwAVg"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket" id="mwAVk">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Article status" id="mwAVo"><span id="mwAVs">edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket" id="mwAVw">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Hobbitschuster-2015-04-13T22:48:00.000Z-Article_status">9 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p id="mwRw"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hobbitschuster-2015-04-13T22:48:00.000Z-Article_status"></span>We don't seem to have an official definition of what an airport article needs to do to be usable, so let me just ask the stupid question: Is it usable? <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Hobbitschuster" title="User:Hobbitschuster" id="mwSA">Hobbitschuster</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Hobbitschuster" title="User talk:Hobbitschuster" id="mwSQ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Hobbitschuster-2015-04-13T22:48:00.000Z-Article_status" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 13 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hobbitschuster-2015-04-13T22:48:00.000Z-Article_status"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Bigpeteb-2019-03-01T21:14:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T20:42:00.000Z">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p id="mwSw"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T17:35:00.000Z-Feedback_re:FTT"></span>I definitely support the article's FTT nomination, but have two small ideas for improvement:</p> <ol id="mwTA"><li id="mwTQ">The Plane Train seems like it would be a useful way of getting to the international terminal by public transport, yet its only mentions are in the Get around section, with only an unspecified "shuttle" being stated to transport international passengers to and from the MARTA station. Is the Plane Train not a viable option for this journey?</li> <li id="mwTg">What about places to eat and drink inside the international terminal?</li></ol> <p id="mwTw">Other than that, looks good. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:ThunderingTyphoons!" title="User:ThunderingTyphoons!" id="mwUA">ThunderingTyphoons!</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:ThunderingTyphoons!" title="User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!" id="mwUQ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T17:35:00.000Z-Feedback_re:FTT" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 1 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T17:35:00.000Z-Feedback_re:FTT"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T17:35:00.000Z-Feedback_re:FTT"></span></p> <dl id="mwUg"><dd id="mwUw"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bigpeteb-2019-03-01T19:32:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T17:35:00.000Z"></span>Hmm... Airport articles don't usually have a separate section for getting <i id="mwVA">to</i> the airport. I guess it's assumed that these articles are for visitors not locals, and/or that readers can take the "Ground transportation" info for leaving the airport and figure out how to do it in reverse. Maybe some clearer info for how to get [back] to the airport would be helpful, but you'd have to figure out where to put it; that might be a question to raise at <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Airport_article_template" title="Wikivoyage:Airport article template" id="mwVQ">wv:Airport article template</a> (although it already seems clear from that page that it belongs under "Ground transportation").</dd> <dd id="mwVg">I was briefly confused about what you meant by "unspecified 'shuttle'", but now I see the problem: brief directions are given first under "Flights" before details about getting to/from the airport are addressed later in "Ground transportation".</dd> <dd id="mwVw">To answer your specific question: the Plane Train is inside the secure area, so that limits its usefulness for getting in or out: <ul id="mwWA"><li id="mwWQ">If you arrive on an international flight, then as with any US airport you have to follow a one-way path which will either make you exit into the International Terminal, or you can re-enter security, but if this is your final destination then you can't do that. So for arriving international passengers, the Plane Train isn't an option to leave the airport, and you must take the shuttle if you want to e.g. go to the MARTA station.</li> <li id="mwWg">The same is true for departing on an international flight. If you have to go to the International Terminal to get your ticket or check your bags, then you don't yet have the ticket that would let you into security to get to the Plane Train in the first place. (Or you have a ticket but have a bag you're going to check. So what, you would go through security once with a bag that might not make it past security anyway, cross the airport, <i id="mwWw">leave</i> security to go check your bag, and then go through security <i id="mwXA">again</i>? It's feasible but very silly, and it would be faster and easier to take the shuttle.) <ul id="mwXQ"><li id="mwXg">That said, if you were flying internationally on Delta, for example, then you can get your ticket, check your bag, and pass security all at the Domestic Terminal and go directly to your gate; there's no need to go to the International Terminal at all (although your flight probably leaves from Concourses E or F, which are respectively next to and attached to the International Terminal). That's actually not explained correctly in the article right now.</li></ul></li></ul></dd> <dd id="mwXw">Maybe it's not clear enough in the article that the International Terminal is strictly the portion that's outside the secure area for ticketing and baggage claim; gates for international flights are at Concourses E and F. Likewise, maybe it's not clear that the Plane Train is strictly inside the secure area.</dd> <dd id="mwYA">As for restaurants, I see why the text may be confusing. Concourse F and International Terminal are the same building, the difference being that International Terminal is everything outside the secure zone, and Concourse F is everything inside. So yes, in the International Terminal the only two eateries are Sweet Auburn Market and Starbucks, but as written it sounds like there might be other places in the International Terminal <i id="mwYQ">inside</i> the secure zone, which isn't a thing; that would be Concourse F. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Bigpeteb" title="User:Bigpeteb" id="mwYg">Bigpeteb</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Bigpeteb" title="User talk:Bigpeteb" id="mwYw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Bigpeteb-2019-03-01T19:32:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T17:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 1 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bigpeteb-2019-03-01T19:32:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T17:35:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bigpeteb-2019-03-01T19:32:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T17:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl id="mwZA"><dd id="mwZQ"><dl id="mwZg"><dd id="mwZw"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T20:42:00.000Z-Feedback_re:FTT"></span>Thank you for that good, thorough answer. Looks like some of that would be helpful if it were in the article.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p id="mwaA">So how much time do passengers typically spend inside the international terminal? Because if it's hours, then two eateries - for an airport of this size - is both unusual and inconvenient. Should we be more explicit in warning readers of that, so they make time to visit one of the Concourses before going through security? --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:ThunderingTyphoons!" title="User:ThunderingTyphoons!" id="mwaQ">ThunderingTyphoons!</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:ThunderingTyphoons!" title="User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!" id="mwag">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T20:42:00.000Z-Feedback_re:FTT" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 1 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T20:42:00.000Z-Feedback_re:FTT"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T20:42:00.000Z-Feedback_re:FTT"></span></p> <dl id="mwaw"><dd id="mwbA"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bigpeteb-2019-03-01T21:14:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T20:42:00.000Z"></span>I think you still have it backwards. The terminology is different here; "terminals" are <i id="mwbQ">before</i> security, and "concourses" are <i id="mwbg">after</i> security.</dd> <dd id="mwbw">The only thing in the International Terminal is ticketing and baggage claim. If you're a departing passenger, you would only be there long enough to check in and go through security; then you have access to the 100+ restaurants in the 7 concourses where the gates are. If you're an arriving passenger, you would collect your baggage and then leave, yes? And if you're making an international connection, then after clearing immigration and customs, you would get checked in for your next flight, enter security, and again have access to the majority of the airport.</dd> <dd id="mwcA">The only other reason to spend any time in the International Terminal instead of going through security would be if you're spending time saying goodbye to people who aren't coming with you. In that case, yes, International Terminal has paltry options compared to Domestic Terminal. That could be spelled out more clearly, but otherwise it doesn't seem at all unusual that there isn't much to eat, drink, buy, or do in the non-secure part of the airport. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Bigpeteb" title="User:Bigpeteb" id="mwcQ">Bigpeteb</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Bigpeteb" title="User talk:Bigpeteb" id="mwcg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Bigpeteb-2019-03-01T21:14:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T20:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 1 March 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bigpeteb-2019-03-01T21:14:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T20:42:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bigpeteb-2019-03-01T21:14:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2019-03-01T20:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><section data-mw-section-id="5" id="mwcw"><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Map" data-mw-thread-id="h-Map-2019-06-08T01:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Map-2019-06-08T01:28:00.000Z"></span>Map<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Map-2019-06-08T01:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection" id="mwAWI"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket" id="mwAWM">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Map" id="mwAWQ"><span id="mwAWU">edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket" id="mwAWY">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Mx._Granger-2019-10-27T00:41:00.000Z-Mx._Granger-2019-06-26T22:03:00.000Z">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p id="mwdA"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mx._Granger-2019-06-08T01:28:00.000Z-Map"></span>I find the current dynamic map visually confusing—it doesn't look the way I expect an airport map to look. I expect a map of an airport to look something like <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/File:O'Hare_airport_map.png" title="File:O'Hare airport map.png" id="mwdQ">this</a>, with terminals that are visually clear and stand out in the image. Is there any way we can create a static map for this article, or at least change the dynamic map to show the shapes of the terminals like the dynamic map at <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/O'Hare_International_Airport" title="O'Hare International Airport" id="mwdg">O'Hare International Airport</a> does? —<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Mx._Granger" title="User:Mx. Granger" id="mwdw">Granger</a><span typeof="mw:Entity" id="mweA"> </span>(<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Mx._Granger" title="User talk:Mx. Granger" id="mweQ">talk</a> <b id="mweg">·</b> <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mx._Granger" title="Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger" id="mwew">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Mx._Granger-2019-06-08T01:28:00.000Z-Map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:28, 8 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mx._Granger-2019-06-08T01:28:00.000Z-Map"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mx._Granger-2019-06-08T01:28:00.000Z-Map"></span></p> <dl id="mwfA"><dd id="mwfQ"><span about="#mwt3" typeof="mw:Transclusion" id="mwfg" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"ping","href":"./Template:Ping"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Mx. Granger"}},"i":0}}]}'><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-25T20:52:00.000Z-Mx._Granger-2019-06-08T01:28:00.000Z"></span>@</span><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Mx._Granger" title="User:Mx. Granger" about="#mwt3">Mx. Granger</a><span about="#mwt3">:</span> Current policy (which I don't fully agree with) is that an article should have either a static map, or a dynamic map, but never both. I find this inconvenient, since until a couple months ago this article <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/File:Hartsfield-jackson_atlanta_airport_map.png" title="File:Hartsfield-jackson atlanta airport map.png" id="mwfw">already had a static map</a> which was labeled to show only a few important elements, and rotated to fit better in a vertical orientation. Nevertheless, current policy dictates that we can't have both; other editors do enforce that.</dd> <dd id="mwgA">I'm sure we could do something with map shapes to highlight each of the terminals and concourses. It's made slightly more complicated by the fact that the terminals (Domestic and International) are part of the same building as concourses (T and F, respectively).</dd> <dd id="mwgQ">However, I wonder if it's really necessary. ATL's layout isn't the same as many other large airports. Comparing it to your example of <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/O'Hare" title="O'Hare" class="mw-redirect" id="mwgg">O'Hare</a>, at ATL the only thing you need to know for check-in is whether your airline's checkin desks are in the Domestic Terminal or International Terminal, which should be fairly obvious by the names. All the desks are right next to each other, and then there's only one way through security at either end. Your flight could be assigned to literally <i id="mwgw">any</i> gate in the entire airport, and it doesn't matter because you get to every terminal full of gates the same way, and it never takes more than about 10 minutes, maybe 15 at the most.</dd> <dd id="mwhA">Granted, I lived in Atlanta for more than 15 years so of course it seems easy to me, but I can tell people struggle with this problem just based on the questions they ask. I could make an FAQ based on the things I hear people ask, because they keep thinking the specifics of which airline or gate or flight they're on matters, and it generally <i id="mwhQ">doesn't</i> at this airport. <dl id="mwhg"><dd id="mwhw"><dl id="mwiA"><dd id="mwiQ"><dl id="mwig"><dd id="mwiw"><i id="mwjA">"Which terminal do I go to to check in? It said online that my flight's at gate D13."</i> <dl id="mwjQ"><dd id="mwjg">If you're flying a U.S. airline, go to the Domestic Terminal. If you're flying a foreign airline, go to the International Terminal. If you're flying Delta, go to whichever one is easier for you to get to. <i id="mwjw">Forget the gate; it doesn't matter at this point. Only the simplest and most obvious fact about your airline (domestic or international) matters for where you need to go.</i></dd></dl></dd> <dd id="mwkA"><i id="mwkQ">"I've checked in and dropped my bags, now which security do I go to for gate D13?"</i> <dl id="mwkg"><dd id="mwkw">Any of them. They all take you to the same place: <i id="mwlA">the entire airport</i>. International Terminal only has one anyway. Domestic Terminal has three but they exit right next to each other, so it still doesn't matter except for the wait times.</dd></dl></dd> <dd id="mwlQ"><i id="mwlg">"I got through security. My flight is at gate D13. How do I get there?"</i> <dl id="mwlw"><dd id="mwmA">The same way you get to any gate in the entire airport: Go downstairs, take the train to the correct terminal, go upstairs into your terminal, and walk to your gate. There are 192 gates at this airport and that answer is correct for every single one of them.</dd></dl></dd> <dd id="mwmQ"><i id="mwmg">"I arrived at gate D13 on Xyz Airways. Where do I go for baggage claim?"</i> <dl id="mwmw"><dd id="mwnA">If it was a domestic flight, go to Domestic Terminal. If it was an international flight, you'll be directed through customs and immigration, and that's where your baggage will be.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd id="mwnQ">(Like, seriously, people, what's so hard about it? The terminals are named "Domestic" and "International". There are signs that say "security for all gates". The concourses are all in a line, A through F (with T being the exception). The train goes in a straight line, shows you the layout, and tells you where you are at every stop.)</dd> <dd id="mwng">Now that you've got me thinking about it, I think the old static map would be much more useful than the one currently in the "Get around" section. But if I had to choose between a static map or a dynamic map, I think I'd rather have the dynamic map. Having a color-coded map to highlight the layout of the terminals is not very helpful here. Having pins to show where all the interesting shops and restaurants are <i id="mwnw">is</i> useful, and is something that's completely infeasible on a static map. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Bigpeteb" title="User:Bigpeteb" id="mwoA">Bigpeteb</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Bigpeteb" title="User talk:Bigpeteb" id="mwoQ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-25T20:52:00.000Z-Mx._Granger-2019-06-08T01:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 25 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-25T20:52:00.000Z-Mx._Granger-2019-06-08T01:28:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-25T20:52:00.000Z-Mx._Granger-2019-06-08T01:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl id="mwog"><dd id="mwow"><dl id="mwpA"><dd id="mwpQ"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mx._Granger-2019-06-26T22:03:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2019-06-25T20:52:00.000Z"></span>Every airport is different, so I think no airport article is complete without a map clearly showing the layout of the terminals. It might not need to be color-coded in this case. An airport with a straightforward layout might benefit even more from a map, because it would reassure travelers that there are no complications and they don't need to ask the questions whose answers seem so obvious to a local like you. As far as I can remember I've never been to a major airport where all the concourses were lined up in a straight line like ATL, so I don't think I would find the layout particularly intuitive.</dd> <dd id="mwpg">If we can use mapshapes to do it in a clear way, that would be fine. If not, I think this article would be an appropriate exception to the general "no double maps" policy, because the two maps give different information: the static map gives the layout of the terminals, whereas the dynamic map gives the locations of the hotels.</dd> <dd id="mwpw">Does anyone object to making an exception and allowing both maps in this article? —<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Mx._Granger" title="User:Mx. Granger" id="mwqA">Granger</a><span typeof="mw:Entity" id="mwqQ"> </span>(<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Mx._Granger" title="User talk:Mx. Granger" id="mwqg">talk</a> <b id="mwqw">·</b> <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mx._Granger" title="Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger" id="mwrA">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Mx._Granger-2019-06-26T22:03:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2019-06-25T20:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 26 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mx._Granger-2019-06-26T22:03:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2019-06-25T20:52:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mx._Granger-2019-06-26T22:03:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2019-06-25T20:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl id="mwrQ"><dd id="mwrg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mx._Granger-2019-10-27T00:41:00.000Z-Mx._Granger-2019-06-26T22:03:00.000Z"></span>Seeing no objections, I've added the extra map. —<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Mx._Granger" title="User:Mx. Granger" id="mwrw">Granger</a><span typeof="mw:Entity" id="mwsA"> </span>(<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Mx._Granger" title="User talk:Mx. Granger" id="mwsQ">talk</a> <b id="mwsg">·</b> <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mx._Granger" title="Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger" id="mwsw">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Mx._Granger-2019-10-27T00:41:00.000Z-Mx._Granger-2019-06-26T22:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:41, 27 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mx._Granger-2019-10-27T00:41:00.000Z-Mx._Granger-2019-06-26T22:03:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mx._Granger-2019-10-27T00:41:00.000Z-Mx._Granger-2019-06-26T22:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><section data-mw-section-id="6" id="mwtA"><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dynamic_map_bug_on_Hartsfield–Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dynamic_map_bug_on_Hartsfield–Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport-2019-06-07T20:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dynamic_map_bug_on_Hartsfield–Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport-2019-06-07T20:13:00.000Z"></span><span id="Dynamic_map_bug_on_Hartsfield.E2.80.93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport" typeof="mw:FallbackId"></span>Dynamic map bug on <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Hartsfield–Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport" title="Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport" id="mwtQ"> Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dynamic_map_bug_on_Hartsfield–Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport-2019-06-07T20:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection" id="mwAWc"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket" id="mwAWg">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Dynamic map bug on Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport" id="mwAWk"><span id="mwAWo">edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket" id="mwAWs">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Syced-2019-07-03T06:58:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-07T20:35:00.000Z">5 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>10 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>6 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl about="#mwt4" typeof="mw:Transclusion" id="mwtg" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"swept","href":"./Template:Swept"},"params":{},"i":0}}]}'><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-07T20:13:00.000Z-Dynamic_map_bug_on_Hartsfield–Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport"></span>Swept in from the <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Travellers'_pub" title="Wikivoyage:Travellers' pub">pub</a></i></dd></dl> <p id="mwtw">Could someone help debug <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Hartsfield–Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport" title="Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport" id="mwuA">Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport</a>? The dynamic map appears to load briefly, but then gets replaced by a white screen with just a "6" marker in the center. However, if you click on a marker in the article, the full-screen pop-up map works perfectly. I don't see any JavaScript errors, and I have no idea what else could be going wrong. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Bigpeteb" title="User:Bigpeteb" id="mwuQ">Bigpeteb</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Bigpeteb" title="User talk:Bigpeteb" id="mwug">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-07T20:13:00.000Z-Dynamic_map_bug_on_Hartsfield–Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 7 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-07T20:13:00.000Z-Dynamic_map_bug_on_Hartsfield–Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-07T20:13:00.000Z-Dynamic_map_bug_on_Hartsfield–Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport"></span></p> <dl id="mwuw"><dd id="mwvA"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-07T20:35:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2019-06-07T20:13:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:Transclusion mw:File" about="#mwt5" id="mwvQ" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"done","href":"./Template:Done"},"params":{},"i":0}}]}'><span><img alt="Yes" resource="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/File:Yes_check.svg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/12px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" data-file-type="drawing" height="12" width="12" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/24px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" class="mw-file-element"/></span></span><span about="#mwt5"> </span><b about="#mwt5">Done</b>. Looks like someone forgot the "zoom=" parameter. -- <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:AndreCarrotflower" title="User:AndreCarrotflower" id="mwvg">AndreCarrotflower</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:AndreCarrotflower" title="User talk:AndreCarrotflower" id="mwvw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-07T20:35:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2019-06-07T20:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:35, 7 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-07T20:35:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2019-06-07T20:13:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-07T20:35:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2019-06-07T20:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl id="mwwA"><dd id="mwwQ"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-07T21:28:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-07T20:35:00.000Z"></span>Thank you! I've been staring at that for ages and couldn't figure out what was wrong. It didn't even occur to me that "zoom" has to be a named parameter. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Bigpeteb" title="User:Bigpeteb" id="mwwg">Bigpeteb</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Bigpeteb" title="User talk:Bigpeteb" id="mwww">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-07T21:28:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-07T20:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 7 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-07T21:28:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-07T20:35:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-07T21:28:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-07T20:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl id="mwxA"><dd id="mwxQ"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AlasdairW-2019-06-07T23:20:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2019-06-07T21:28:00.000Z"></span>I think that the default behaviour of mapframe has recently changed. I saw something similar with <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Ben_Nevis" title="Ben Nevis" id="mwxg">Ben Nevis</a>, which had mapframe added when it only had one marker. Adding other markers sorted it out. Previously mapframe had a default zoom which gave a map around 2 miles wide, now it needs zoom to be specified, or for there to be several markers. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:AlasdairW" title="User:AlasdairW" id="mwxw">AlasdairW</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:AlasdairW" title="User talk:AlasdairW" id="mwyA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-AlasdairW-2019-06-07T23:20:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2019-06-07T21:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:20, 7 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AlasdairW-2019-06-07T23:20:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2019-06-07T21:28:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AlasdairW-2019-06-07T23:20:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2019-06-07T21:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl id="mwyQ"><dd id="mwyg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-08T01:08:00.000Z-AlasdairW-2019-06-07T23:20:00.000Z"></span>Incidentally, <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport&diff=next&oldid=3793112" class="external text" id="mwyw">this</a> was my mistake - I initially thought the train-line mapshapes might have been behind the map's misbehavior, and after realizing it was something else, I forgot to reinstate them. -- <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:AndreCarrotflower" title="User:AndreCarrotflower" id="mwzA">AndreCarrotflower</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:AndreCarrotflower" title="User talk:AndreCarrotflower" id="mwzQ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-08T01:08:00.000Z-AlasdairW-2019-06-07T23:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:08, 8 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-08T01:08:00.000Z-AlasdairW-2019-06-07T23:20:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-08T01:08:00.000Z-AlasdairW-2019-06-07T23:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl id="mwzg"><dd id="mwzw"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OhanaUnited-2019-06-08T04:30:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-08T01:08:00.000Z"></span>I agree with <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:AlasdairW" title="User:AlasdairW" id="mw0A">AlasdairW</a>. Something in the dynamic map changed and zoom needs to be specified. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:OhanaUnited" title="User:OhanaUnited" id="mw0Q"><b style="color: #0000FF;" id="mw0g">OhanaUnited</b></a><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:OhanaUnited" title="User talk:OhanaUnited" id="mw0w"><b style="color: green;" id="mw1A"><sup id="mw1Q">Talk page</sup></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-OhanaUnited-2019-06-08T04:30:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-08T01:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 8 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OhanaUnited-2019-06-08T04:30:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-08T01:08:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OhanaUnited-2019-06-08T04:30:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-08T01:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl id="mw1g"><dd id="mw1w"><span about="#mwt6" typeof="mw:Transclusion" id="mw2A" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"ping","href":"./Template:Ping"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"AndreCarrotflower"}},"i":0}}]}'><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-10T17:53:00.000Z-OhanaUnited-2019-06-08T04:30:00.000Z"></span>@</span><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:AndreCarrotflower" title="User:AndreCarrotflower" about="#mwt6">AndreCarrotflower</a><span about="#mwt6">:</span> Actually, there <i id="mw2Q">was</i> another error relating to the mapshapes, which <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Andree.sk" title="User:Andree.sk" id="mw2g">Andree.sk</a> <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport&diff=3794084&oldid=3793240" class="external text" id="mw2w">fixed</a>. For some reason, using <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Template:Mapshapes" title="Template:Mapshapes" id="mw3A">Template:Mapshapes</a> for the Plane Train was causing a blank line to be inserted (while at the same time not drawing anything, since there's apparently some thing missing in either WD or OSM). Changing it to <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Template:Mapshape" title="Template:Mapshape" id="mw3Q">Template:Mapshape</a> and specifying drawing parameters not only makes it draw correctly, but fixes the blank line. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Bigpeteb" title="User:Bigpeteb" id="mw3g">Bigpeteb</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Bigpeteb" title="User talk:Bigpeteb" id="mw3w">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-10T17:53:00.000Z-OhanaUnited-2019-06-08T04:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 10 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-10T17:53:00.000Z-OhanaUnited-2019-06-08T04:30:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-10T17:53:00.000Z-OhanaUnited-2019-06-08T04:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl id="mw4A"><dd id="mw4Q"><span about="#mwt7" typeof="mw:Transclusion" id="mw4g" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"ping","href":"./Template:Ping"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Bigpeteb"}},"i":0}}]}'><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andree.sk-2019-06-11T07:59:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2019-06-10T17:53:00.000Z"></span>@</span><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Bigpeteb" title="User:Bigpeteb" about="#mwt7">Bigpeteb</a><span about="#mwt7">:</span> the problem was that <span about="#mwt8" typeof="mw:Transclusion" id="mw4w" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"tl","href":"./Template:Tl"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"mapshapes"}},"i":0}}]}'>{{</span><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Template:Mapshapes" title="Template:Mapshapes" about="#mwt8">mapshapes</a><span about="#mwt8">}}</span> only shows "networks", not single lines. In other words, the wikidata entry has to have "has part" subentries, which are then linked to the actualy OSM relations (lines). Perhaps I could extend mapshapes to handle this case as well, but I'm not sure it's a good design - convince me<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mw5A"> </span>:-))) -- <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Andree.sk" title="User:Andree.sk" id="mw5Q">andree</a><small style="color: #ccc" id="mw5g">.sk</small><small id="mw5w">(<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Andree.sk" title="User talk:Andree.sk" id="mw6A">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Andree.sk-2019-06-11T07:59:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2019-06-10T17:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:59, 11 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andree.sk-2019-06-11T07:59:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2019-06-10T17:53:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andree.sk-2019-06-11T07:59:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2019-06-10T17:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl id="mw6Q"><dd id="mw6g"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-11T16:50:00.000Z-Andree.sk-2019-06-11T07:59:00.000Z"></span>Well, simply from an editor's perspective, it seems... unfriendly. Why should a WV editor have to know or care what the structure of the Wikidata entry is in order to make it show up correctly on a map? Or, to put it another way, what would be the downside in having one template that handles both things (other than it being more complex to implement the template)?</dd> <dd id="mw6w">Right now, it seems like both templates have minor limitations compared to each other. Mapshapes can't specify type=geomask or geoshape, so you couldn't use it to, say, show the 5 boroughs of NYC from a single Wikidata entry. Mapshape isn't perfect, either: it doesn't currently default to using the title from the linked Wikidata entry.</dd> <dd id="mw7A">I don't suppose I can argue "but what about when the data changes, like a second rail line opens" because at that point we ought to be updating the text of the page anyway. Still, just to make things easier for editors, it would be nice if they didn't have to bumble around to figure out which template to use. Or if they do have to, that ought to be documented better, because I had no idea that was the case. I'm a programmer by day, so I'm no slouch, but in this case I just mimicked what other pages do and used Mapshapes without giving it a second thought. Unlike templates that generate text, where you can look at the result and have a decent guess at what you did wrong, with these map templates the result is often that you get nothing at all, and no obvious way to debug it. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Bigpeteb" title="User:Bigpeteb" id="mw7Q">Bigpeteb</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Bigpeteb" title="User talk:Bigpeteb" id="mw7g">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-11T16:50:00.000Z-Andree.sk-2019-06-11T07:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 11 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-11T16:50:00.000Z-Andree.sk-2019-06-11T07:59:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bigpeteb-2019-06-11T16:50:00.000Z-Andree.sk-2019-06-11T07:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd id="mw7w"><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Nagasaki" title="Nagasaki" id="mw8A"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Syced-2019-07-03T06:58:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-07T20:35:00.000Z"></span>Nagasaki</a> had the same problem, I fixed it by specifying a zoom. How about either making the map use a default zoom if none is specified, or fix all occurrences? Thanks!<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" id="mw8Q"> </span>:-) <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Syced" title="User:Syced" id="mw8g">Syced</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Syced" title="User talk:Syced" id="mw8w">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Syced-2019-07-03T06:58:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-07T20:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:58, 3 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Syced-2019-07-03T06:58:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-07T20:35:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Syced-2019-07-03T06:58:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2019-06-07T20:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><section data-mw-section-id="7" id="mw9A"><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Star_nomination" data-mw-thread-id="h-Star_nomination-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Star_nomination-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"></span>Star nomination<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Star_nomination-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection" id="mwAWw"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket" id="mwAW0">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Star nomination" id="mwAW4"><span id="mwAW8">edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket" id="mwAXA">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-SHB2000-2021-03-16T10:25:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2021-03-15T18:16:00.000Z">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>18 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>8 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p id="mw9Q"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z-Star_nomination"></span>Although I'm biased (as I wrote most of the article and its listings) I think that of all our airport articles this one is the closest to being star quality. As the busiest airport in the world, I think it would be very fitting if we could make it our first star-quality airport article. I've put a lot of work into it, but I'm at a point where it could use some more eyes (and maybe more hands) to identify what remains to get this up to star quality, which I hope will not be very much. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Bigpeteb" title="User:Bigpeteb" id="mw9g">Bigpeteb</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Bigpeteb" title="User talk:Bigpeteb" id="mw9w">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z-Star_nomination" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z-Star_nomination"><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z-Star_nomination"></span></p> <ul id="mw-A"><li id="mw-Q"><b id="mw-g"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SpartanFishy-2020-11-19T16:47:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> This guide is incredibly in depth. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:SpartanFishy" title="User:SpartanFishy" id="mw-w">SpartanFishy</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:SpartanFishy" title="User talk:SpartanFishy" id="mw_A">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-SpartanFishy-2020-11-19T16:47:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 19 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SpartanFishy-2020-11-19T16:47:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SpartanFishy-2020-11-19T16:47:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"></span></li> <li id="mw_Q"><b id="mw_g"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SelfieCity-2020-11-26T15:48:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"></span>Support</b>. This is a well-written article with many of the features of our other star articles. I think this is a great star article standard with which to compare our other airport articles, and I can't see that much more could be added or changed to make it any better than it is. <small id="mw_w">--Comment by </small> <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:SelfieCity" title="User:SelfieCity" id="mwAQA"><span style="color:blue" id="mwAQE">Selfie City</span></a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:SelfieCity" title="User talk:SelfieCity" id="mwAQI"><span style="color:blue" id="mwAQM">talk</span></a> | <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SelfieCity" title="Special:Contributions/SelfieCity" id="mwAQQ"><span style="color:blue" id="mwAQU">contributions</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-SelfieCity-2020-11-26T15:48:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 26 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SelfieCity-2020-11-26T15:48:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SelfieCity-2020-11-26T15:48:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"></span></li> <li id="mwAQY"><b id="mwAQc"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2020-12-30T18:00:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"></span>Comment</b> - This is nearly there, with just a couple of issues. I don't really understand why <i id="mwAQg">Do</i> is at the bottom of the page; wouldn't it make more sense to go as a subheading under <i id="mwAQk">Wait</i>, or else in a separate section immediately following the same? It's also not clear whether those events are open to the general public, or whether you have to be an outbound passenger flying on that day in order to attend them. One final thing, I'd like to see a few more photos if possible. Otherwise, looking great. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:ThunderingTyphoons!" title="User:ThunderingTyphoons!" id="mwAQo">ThunderingTyphoons!</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:ThunderingTyphoons!" title="User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!" id="mwAQs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2020-12-30T18:00:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:00, 30 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2020-12-30T18:00:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2020-12-30T18:00:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl id="mwAQw"><dd id="mwAQ0"><dl id="mwAQ4"><dd id="mwAQ8"><span about="#mwt10" typeof="mw:Transclusion" id="mwARA" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"ping","href":"./Template:Ping"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Bigpeteb"}},"i":0}}]}'><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-18T09:39:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2020-12-30T18:00:00.000Z"></span>@</span><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Bigpeteb" title="User:Bigpeteb" about="#mwt10">Bigpeteb</a><span about="#mwt10">:</span> In case you haven't seen the above.--<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:ThunderingTyphoons!" title="User:ThunderingTyphoons!" id="mwARE">ThunderingTyphoons!</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:ThunderingTyphoons!" title="User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!" id="mwARI">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-18T09:39:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2020-12-30T18:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:39, 18 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-18T09:39:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2020-12-30T18:00:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-18T09:39:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2020-12-30T18:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl id="mwARM"><dd id="mwARQ"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bigpeteb-2021-01-18T18:24:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-18T09:39:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, I indeed hadn't seen it. I'm pretty sure this is the only Airport article with a <i id="mwARU">Do</i> section, so there's really no standard for where to put it. I put it at the end since the only things listed are events that take place infrequently (either monthly or annually), on the basis that stuff travellers are likely to need and be able to do should take precedence. I don't object to moving it up or making it a subsection of <i id="mwARY">Wait</i>. I think for one of the events you would need to be a passenger that day; I'll add that to the description. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Bigpeteb" title="User:Bigpeteb" id="mwARc">Bigpeteb</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Bigpeteb" title="User talk:Bigpeteb" id="mwARg">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Bigpeteb-2021-01-18T18:24:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-18T09:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bigpeteb-2021-01-18T18:24:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-18T09:39:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bigpeteb-2021-01-18T18:24:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-18T09:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl id="mwARk"><dd id="mwARo"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-18T18:48:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2021-01-18T18:24:00.000Z"></span>I follow your logic, but since every other class of article positions 'Do' in roughly the same part of the article, I think it would make more sense from a reader's perspective to do the same here. If the 'Do' section were already very long, the worries about it interrupting the flow would be greater, but since it's only three listings, it should be alright. Let me know with a ping when you're done (no rush), and I'll be delighted to support the nomination.--<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:ThunderingTyphoons!" title="User:ThunderingTyphoons!" id="mwARs">ThunderingTyphoons!</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:ThunderingTyphoons!" title="User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!" id="mwARw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-18T18:48:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2021-01-18T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 18 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-18T18:48:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2021-01-18T18:24:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-27" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-18T18:48:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2021-01-18T18:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl id="mwAR0"><dd id="mwAR4"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bigpeteb-2021-01-19T18:14:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-18T18:48:00.000Z"></span>Already done. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Bigpeteb" title="User:Bigpeteb" id="mwAR8">Bigpeteb</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Bigpeteb" title="User talk:Bigpeteb" id="mwASA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Bigpeteb-2021-01-19T18:14:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-18T18:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bigpeteb-2021-01-19T18:14:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-18T18:48:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bigpeteb-2021-01-19T18:14:00.000Z-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-18T18:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul id="mwASE"><li id="mwASI"><b id="mwASM"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-19T22:37:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"></span>Support</b>. It would still be nice to see a couple more photos, but that's hardly a deal breaker.--<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:ThunderingTyphoons!" title="User:ThunderingTyphoons!" id="mwASQ">ThunderingTyphoons!</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:ThunderingTyphoons!" title="User talk:ThunderingTyphoons!" id="mwASU">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-19T22:37:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-19T22:37:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ThunderingTyphoons!-2021-01-19T22:37:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"></span></li> <li id="mwASY"><b id="mwASc"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bigpeteb-2021-01-28T19:18:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"></span>Comment</b> - I hate to admit it, but I'm surprised to see so much support. When I nominated it, I actually thought it fell a bit short, and was hoping other people would call out some issues or help address them. A number of restaurants have no description whatsoever. Most of them have no other details either, particularly hours, although that's perhaps more forgivable. There are a few duplicate listings between "Coffee" and "Restaurants", which I'm not sure how to deal with. Star status has always seemed like an extremely high bar to meet, and I don't want to set a precedent of being lax on airport articles just because researching them is more difficult. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Bigpeteb" title="User:Bigpeteb" id="mwASg">Bigpeteb</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Bigpeteb" title="User talk:Bigpeteb" id="mwASk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Bigpeteb-2021-01-28T19:18:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:18, 28 January 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bigpeteb-2021-01-28T19:18:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-30" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bigpeteb-2021-01-28T19:18:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"></span></li> <li id="mwASo"><b id="mwASs"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TravelAroundOz-2021-03-07T04:28:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> - A little bit more images would be nice but otherwise good for a star. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:TravelAroundOz?action=edit&redlink=1" title="User:TravelAroundOz (page does not exist)" class="new" typeof="mw:LocalizedAttrs" id="mwASw" data-mw-i18n='{"title":{"lang":"x-page","key":"red-link-title","params":["User:TravelAroundOz"]}}'>TravelAroundOz</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:TravelAroundOz" title="User talk:TravelAroundOz" class="mw-redirect" id="mwAS0">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-TravelAroundOz-2021-03-07T04:28:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:28, 7 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TravelAroundOz-2021-03-07T04:28:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-31" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TravelAroundOz-2021-03-07T04:28:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2020-09-02T18:48:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p id="mwAS4"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SHB2000-2021-03-14T04:48:00.000Z-Star_nomination"></span>I think we've reached a consensus here of support. Anyone else agrees to pass the article? <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:SHB2000" title="User:SHB2000" id="mwAS8">SHB2000</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:SHB2000" title="User talk:SHB2000" id="mwATA">talk</a>) - The year of the <i id="mwATE">2000 Sydney Olympics</i> <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-SHB2000-2021-03-14T04:48:00.000Z-Star_nomination" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:48, 14 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SHB2000-2021-03-14T04:48:00.000Z-Star_nomination"><span id="ooui-php-32" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SHB2000-2021-03-14T04:48:00.000Z-Star_nomination"></span></p> <dl id="mwATI"><dd id="mwATM"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndreCarrotflower-2021-03-14T05:01:00.000Z-SHB2000-2021-03-14T04:48:00.000Z"></span>The problem is that of the four support votes, two come from relatively new contributors who may be relatively less well versed on the ins and outs of what makes a good Star article. ATL is certainly a high-quality article (it's a <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Previous_Featured_travel_topics" title="Previous Featured travel topics" id="mwATQ">previous Featured Travel Topic</a> IIRC) and may well be at Star status, but we need the opinion of more users who do have that experience. I will have a look when I can. -- <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:AndreCarrotflower" title="User:AndreCarrotflower" id="mwATU">AndreCarrotflower</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:AndreCarrotflower" title="User talk:AndreCarrotflower" id="mwATY">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-AndreCarrotflower-2021-03-14T05:01:00.000Z-SHB2000-2021-03-14T04:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:01, 14 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndreCarrotflower-2021-03-14T05:01:00.000Z-SHB2000-2021-03-14T04:48:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-33" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndreCarrotflower-2021-03-14T05:01:00.000Z-SHB2000-2021-03-14T04:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl id="mwATc"><dd id="mwATg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SHB2000-2021-03-14T05:03:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2021-03-14T05:01:00.000Z"></span>But considering we have no opposes, even from the two not new editors. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:SHB2000" title="User:SHB2000" id="mwATk">SHB2000</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:SHB2000" title="User talk:SHB2000" id="mwATo">talk</a>) - The year of the <i id="mwATs">2000 Sydney Olympics</i> <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-SHB2000-2021-03-14T05:03:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2021-03-14T05:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:03, 14 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SHB2000-2021-03-14T05:03:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2021-03-14T05:01:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-34" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SHB2000-2021-03-14T05:03:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2021-03-14T05:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl id="mwATw"><dd id="mwAT0"><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Consensus#What_consensus_is_not" title="Wikivoyage:Consensus" id="mwAT4"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AndreCarrotflower-2021-03-14T06:47:00.000Z-SHB2000-2021-03-14T05:03:00.000Z"></span>Consensus is not unanimity, nor is it created without participation</a>. -- <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:AndreCarrotflower" title="User:AndreCarrotflower" id="mwAT8">AndreCarrotflower</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:AndreCarrotflower" title="User talk:AndreCarrotflower" id="mwAUA">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-AndreCarrotflower-2021-03-14T06:47:00.000Z-SHB2000-2021-03-14T05:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AndreCarrotflower-2021-03-14T06:47:00.000Z-SHB2000-2021-03-14T05:03:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-35" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AndreCarrotflower-2021-03-14T06:47:00.000Z-SHB2000-2021-03-14T05:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl id="mwAUE"><dd id="mwAUI"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ikan_Kekek-2021-03-14T07:16:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2021-03-14T06:47:00.000Z"></span>It usually takes at least weeks if not months to come to consensus on giving an article a star. The article in question should be exemplary in all aspects of coverage, style, illustrations and readability, among other things. Star consideration threads aren't normal threads that can or should be pushed through with only a few participants. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Ikan_Kekek" title="User:Ikan Kekek" id="mwAUM">Ikan Kekek</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Ikan_Kekek" title="User talk:Ikan Kekek" id="mwAUQ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Ikan_Kekek-2021-03-14T07:16:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2021-03-14T06:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ikan_Kekek-2021-03-14T07:16:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2021-03-14T06:47:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-36" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ikan_Kekek-2021-03-14T07:16:00.000Z-AndreCarrotflower-2021-03-14T06:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl id="mwAUU"><dd id="mwAUY"><span about="#mwt11" typeof="mw:Transclusion" id="mwAUc" data-mw='{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"ping","href":"./Template:Ping"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"SHB2000"}},"i":0}}]}'><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bigpeteb-2021-03-15T18:16:00.000Z-Ikan_Kekek-2021-03-14T07:16:00.000Z"></span>@</span><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:SHB2000" title="User:SHB2000" about="#mwt11">SHB2000</a><span about="#mwt11">:</span> If it helps, then <b id="mwAUg">I</b> will oppose it... and I'm the one who nominated it in the first place! As I said in the nomination, I think it's one of our best airport articles, but I don't think it meets the high standard of being the best it can possibly be. I was hoping some of the more experienced editors would chime in to point out issues that still need to be fixed, and could maybe pitch in on things like finding more/better pictures which isn't something I've ever worked on. --<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:Bigpeteb" title="User:Bigpeteb" id="mwAUk">Bigpeteb</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:Bigpeteb" title="User talk:Bigpeteb" id="mwAUo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-Bigpeteb-2021-03-15T18:16:00.000Z-Ikan_Kekek-2021-03-14T07:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 15 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bigpeteb-2021-03-15T18:16:00.000Z-Ikan_Kekek-2021-03-14T07:16:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-37" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bigpeteb-2021-03-15T18:16:00.000Z-Ikan_Kekek-2021-03-14T07:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl id="mwAUs"><dd id="mwAUw"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SHB2000-2021-03-16T10:25:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2021-03-15T18:16:00.000Z"></span>If it's the pictures lacking (which I'd also say), I don't have any pics with me as I've never been there. But I will look onto flickr for better images. <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:SHB2000" title="User:SHB2000" id="mwAU0">SHB2000</a> (<a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="//en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:SHB2000" title="User talk:SHB2000" id="mwAU4">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Talk:Hartsfield%E2%80%93Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport#c-SHB2000-2021-03-16T10:25:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2021-03-15T18:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:25, 16 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SHB2000-2021-03-16T10:25:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2021-03-15T18:16:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-38" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SHB2000-2021-03-16T10:25:00.000Z-Bigpeteb-2021-03-15T18:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></section>     </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hartsfield–Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport&oldid=4934631">https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hartsfield–Jackson_Atlanta_International_Airport&oldid=4934631</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Star_potential" title="Category:Star potential">Star potential</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-credits">This article is partly based on <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Licensed</a> work from other websites. 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