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That needs to be addressed and corrected by Wikipedia to maintain interest and credibility in your site. I would not send a student to this site at the present time. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.234.199.32" title="Special:Contributions/216.234.199.32">216.234.199.32</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:216.234.199.32#top" title="User talk:216.234.199.32">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-216.234.199.32-2004-01-17T17:32:00.000Z-Untitled" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 17 January 2004 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-216.234.199.32-2004-01-17T17:32:00.000Z-Untitled"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-216.234.199.32-2004-01-17T17:32:00.000Z-Untitled"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removed_from_the_article:" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removed_from_the_article:"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removed_from_the_article:"></span>Removed from the article:<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removed_from_the_article:"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Removed from the article:"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Project Gutenberg contains a large number of her works but not, it is clear from other online bibliographies, all of them. Notable (to me at least!) in particular is the absence of the novel <i>Robin</i>, a sequel to <i>The Head of The House Of Coombe</i>. This absence is particularly noticable because the final paragraph of <i>The Head of The House Of Coombe</i> tells us that the story continues in <i>Robin</i>. According to an <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.tickledorange.com/FHB/Bibliography.html">online bibliography</a>, <i>Robin</i> was published in 1922, as was <i>The Head of The House Of Coombe</i> and I consequently deduce that it, too, should be out of copyright and available for transformation into e-text. I would very willingly volunteer to start this transformation by scanning the novel and starting it in Project Gutenberg's catalogue, if only I had access to it! If you do have a copy you would be willing to lend me, please contact me, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="mailto:jenny@durge.org">Jenny Radcliffe</a>, and I'll send my address! </p><p><a href="/wiki/Racketty-Packetty_House" class="mw-redirect" title="Racketty-Packetty House">Racketty-Packetty House</a>? </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Classic_Online_link_removal?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Classic_Online_link_removal?-2006-05-26T18:15:00.000Z"><span id="Classic_Online_link_removal.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Classic_Online_link_removal?-2006-05-26T18:15:00.000Z"></span>Classic Online link removal?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Classic_Online_link_removal?-2006-05-26T18:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Classic Online link removal?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A._B.-2006-05-26T18:15:00.000Z-Classic_Online_link_removal?"></span>I noticed <a href="/wiki/User:Pavlo_Moloshtan" title="User:Pavlo Moloshtan">Pavlo Moloshtan</a> posted a link to to a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.classic-online.org/burnett-frances-hodgson/ClassicOnline.org">page</a> for <a href="/wiki/Frances_Hodgson_Burnett" title="Frances Hodgson Burnett">Frances Hodgson Burnett</a>, then <a href="/wiki/User:Mwanner" title="User:Mwanner">Mwanner</a> deleted it, labeling the change "rv spam". I think that's a bit harsh. I checked the ClassicOnline.org page out -- like the other links for this author, it contains additional biographical information on Burnett not found in this article or in the other external sites linked in this article. It's a non-commercial site and <a href="/wiki/User:Pavlo_Moloshtan" title="User:Pavlo Moloshtan">Pavlo Moloshtan</a> appears to have posted the link to be helpful to readers. It's certainly of no lesser value than than the other links in this article. </p><p>I also read the note left on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pavlo_Moloshtan" title="User talk:Pavlo Moloshtan">Pavlo Moloshtan's talk page</a>:<br /> <i>"See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EL">WP:EL</a>. Wikipedia is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOT">not</a> a link farm. Links should only be added if they have valuable information that does not belong in the article itself. If the information in the link does belong it the article, it should be re-written (to avoid copyright issues) and added to the article. In general, articles should have very few links, because very few links fit these criteria. The idea is that we want our articles to be the best possible source of information on a topic, not a short article followed by a long list of links to other articles-- one might as well just google the subject and read the first dozen sites if we are going to assemble long external link lists."</i> </p><p>Whether or not this link should be in the article, I think it's harsh and unnecessary to delete a good-faith editing effort and label it "spam". It seems more polite (and better for the Wikipedia project) to thank the person for the link and then encourage them to add more information based on the link. At the same time, one could also genially get across the Wikipedia policy on external links. This approach seems in line with the general Wikipedia culture of encouraging other volunteers while continuing to improve the Wikipedia. </p><p>Is there something I'm missing here?--<a href="/wiki/User:A._B." title="User:A. B.">A. B.</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-A._B.-2006-05-26T18:15:00.000Z-Classic_Online_link_removal?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A._B.-2006-05-26T18:15:00.000Z-Classic_Online_link_removal?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A._B.-2006-05-26T18:15:00.000Z-Classic_Online_link_removal?"></span> </p><p><br /> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A._B.-2006-05-26T19:02:00.000Z-A._B.-2006-05-26T18:15:00.000Z"></span>Actually, I'll answer my own question. I missed the fact that Pavlo owns Classic Online and only found out about it when I went to find out more information about the site and got the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://reports.internic.net/cgi/whois?whois_nic=classic-online.org&type=domain">Whois report for the site</a>. It looks like a good site, but I believe it's against Wikipedia policy (or guidelines) to link to your own site.--<a href="/wiki/User:A._B." title="User:A. B.">A. B.</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-A._B.-2006-05-26T19:02:00.000Z-A._B.-2006-05-26T18:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A._B.-2006-05-26T19:02:00.000Z-A._B.-2006-05-26T18:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A._B.-2006-05-26T19:02:00.000Z-A._B.-2006-05-26T18:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mwanner-2006-05-26T19:12:00.000Z-A._B.-2006-05-26T18:15:00.000Z"></span>(edit conflict) <dl><dd>Have you read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EL">WP:EL</a>? Site owners are told not to add links to their own sites (see Links to normally avoid, #10), precisely to avoid situations like this one. Did you look at this editor's <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pavlo_Moloshtan" title="Special:Contributions/Pavlo Moloshtan">contributions</a>? This is <i>not</i> a user trying to be helpful (at least, not to us)-- this is a user trying to build traffic to his own site by using Wikipedia's high traffic. Sure his site is non-commercial <i>now</i>-- the whole idea is to gain traffic so it's worth going commercial.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I admire your effort to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith" title="Wikipedia:Assume good faith">assume good faith</a>, but the work of spammers is not the place to start doing it. Think about it-- if this user worked on our articles instead of adding links to his own, the <i>reader</i> is way better off than he is if he has to read two very similar articles on the same subject. So who is he trying to help?</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Finally, I'm a little worried about where Moloshtan got his material-- check out this sentence from his article on Kate Chopin: "Kate Chopin Home TodayThe house had fallen into a serious state of disrepair, when Mildred McCoy, a lifelong resident..."<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.classic-online.org/chopin-kate/">[1]</a>. Kinda seems like he has copied it <i>along with a subject heading</i> ("Kate Chopin Home Today") from some other source.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I could show you a dozen other contribution lists from spammers, and one thing they all have in common is that virtually the <i>only</i> work they ever do on our articles is to add external links. By their works shall ye know them (or something like that). -- <a href="/wiki/User:Mwanner" title="User:Mwanner">Mwanner</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mwanner" title="User talk:Mwanner">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Mwanner-2006-05-26T19:12:00.000Z-A._B.-2006-05-26T18:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 26 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mwanner-2006-05-26T19:12:00.000Z-A._B.-2006-05-26T18:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mwanner-2006-05-26T19:12:00.000Z-A._B.-2006-05-26T18:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mwanner-2006-05-26T19:15:00.000Z-Mwanner-2006-05-26T19:12:00.000Z"></span>Ah, found the source for his Kate Chopin story: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://caneriverheritage.org/main_file.php/chopin.php">[2]</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Mwanner" title="User:Mwanner">Mwanner</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mwanner" title="User talk:Mwanner">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Mwanner-2006-05-26T19:15:00.000Z-Mwanner-2006-05-26T19:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mwanner-2006-05-26T19:15:00.000Z-Mwanner-2006-05-26T19:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mwanner-2006-05-26T19:15:00.000Z-Mwanner-2006-05-26T19:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="First_husband's_name" data-mw-thread-id="h-First_husband's_name-2006-12-05T21:43:00.000Z"><span id="First_husband.27s_name"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-First_husband's_name-2006-12-05T21:43:00.000Z"></span>First husband's name<span data-mw-comment-end="h-First_husband's_name-2006-12-05T21:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: First husband's name"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mary-Theresa-2006-12-05T21:43:00.000Z-First_husband's_name"></span>I'm just curious--in the text, her first husband was cited as Dr. Donovan Brisk and later there was a mention of divorcing Dr. Burnett. Were they they same person? If not, at what point was Burnett added to her name? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mary-Theresa&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mary-Theresa (page does not exist)">Mary-Theresa</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Mary-Theresa-2006-12-05T21:43:00.000Z-First_husband's_name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mary-Theresa-2006-12-05T21:43:00.000Z-First_husband's_name"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mary-Theresa-2006-12-05T21:43:00.000Z-First_husband's_name"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reason_for_India?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reason_for_India?-2007-03-25T20:29:00.000Z"><span id="Reason_for_India.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reason_for_India?-2007-03-25T20:29:00.000Z"></span>Reason for India?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reason_for_India?-2007-03-25T20:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Reason for India?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Irish_Pearl-2007-03-25T20:29:00.000Z-Reason_for_India?"></span>Although I only really know of her from <i>The Secret Garden</i> and <i>The Little Princess</i>, is there any particular reason why Burnett gave them both connections to India? Did she ever travel there, or did she hear stories about India from a friend or family member? Or did she just have a random fascination with the country? Just a question I'd been wondering about for a while. <a href="/wiki/User:Irish_Pearl" title="User:Irish Pearl"><b style="color:DarkGreen;">Irish</b></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Irish_Pearl" title="Special:Contributions/Irish Pearl">♣</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Irish_Pearl" title="User talk:Irish Pearl"><b style="color:gray;">Pearl</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Irish_Pearl-2007-03-25T20:29:00.000Z-Reason_for_India?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Irish_Pearl-2007-03-25T20:29:00.000Z-Reason_for_India?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Irish_Pearl-2007-03-25T20:29:00.000Z-Reason_for_India?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yllosubmarine-2007-04-27T16:59:00.000Z-Irish_Pearl-2007-03-25T20:29:00.000Z"></span>I always attributed it to the time period, with the British owning India at the time and more and more British people being born, living in, and writing about exotic, fanciful India. A few searches later, I cannot find anything about her traveling there, although I think it would be unlikely since she mainly ferried between the US and UK. It's always possible that she knew of someone who did visit there, of course, but who's to say? Very interesting question, though, and it definitely pertains to the writer's source of inspiration. I'll keep on the look-out.  :) <span style="font-family:verdana"><a href="/wiki/User:Yllosubmarine" title="User:Yllosubmarine">María</a> </span><small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yllosubmarine" title="User talk:Yllosubmarine"><span style="color:green">habla</span></a> con<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Yllosubmarine" title="Special:Contributions/Yllosubmarine"><span style="color:green">migo</span></a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Yllosubmarine-2007-04-27T16:59:00.000Z-Irish_Pearl-2007-03-25T20:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 27 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yllosubmarine-2007-04-27T16:59:00.000Z-Irish_Pearl-2007-03-25T20:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yllosubmarine-2007-04-27T16:59:00.000Z-Irish_Pearl-2007-03-25T20:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Age_at_Mother's_Death" data-mw-thread-id="h-Age_at_Mother's_Death-2007-06-30T16:26:00.000Z"><span id="Age_at_Mother.27s_Death"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Age_at_Mother's_Death-2007-06-30T16:26:00.000Z"></span>Age at Mother's Death<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Age_at_Mother's_Death-2007-06-30T16:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Age at Mother's Death"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Simhedges-2007-06-30T16:26:00.000Z-Age_at_Mother's_Death"></span>The article says "Following the death of her mother in 1872, 18 year old Frances found herself the head of a family of four younger siblings". However, her birthdate is given at 1849, which would have made her about 23 if her mother died in 1872. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Simhedges&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Simhedges (page does not exist)">Simhedges</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Simhedges-2007-06-30T16:26:00.000Z-Age_at_Mother's_Death" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 30 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Simhedges-2007-06-30T16:26:00.000Z-Age_at_Mother's_Death"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Simhedges-2007-06-30T16:26:00.000Z-Age_at_Mother's_Death"></span> </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hodgson" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hodgson-2008-07-03T12:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hodgson-2008-07-03T12:36:00.000Z"></span>Hodgson<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hodgson-2008-07-03T12:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Hodgson"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-New_Babylon_2-2008-07-03T12:36:00.000Z-Hodgson"></span>Any relation to William Hope Hodgson ? </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:New_Babylon_2" title="User:New Babylon 2">New Babylon 2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:New_Babylon_2" title="User talk:New Babylon 2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-New_Babylon_2-2008-07-03T12:36:00.000Z-Hodgson" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:36, 3 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-New_Babylon_2-2008-07-03T12:36:00.000Z-Hodgson"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-New_Babylon_2-2008-07-03T12:36:00.000Z-Hodgson"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="www.burnett.co.uk" data-mw-thread-id="h-www.burnett.co.uk-2009-05-15T14:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-www.burnett.co.uk-2009-05-15T14:52:00.000Z"></span>www.burnett.co.uk<span data-mw-comment-end="h-www.burnett.co.uk-2009-05-15T14:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: www.burnett.co.uk"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kayau-2009-05-15T14:52:00.000Z-www.burnett.co.uk"></span>But Burnett had nothing to do with computer insurance! <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Kayau" title="User:Kayau">Kayau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kayau" title="User talk:Kayau">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kayau" title="Special:Contributions/Kayau">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Kayau-2009-05-15T14:52:00.000Z-www.burnett.co.uk" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kayau-2009-05-15T14:52:00.000Z-www.burnett.co.uk"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kayau-2009-05-15T14:52:00.000Z-www.burnett.co.uk"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Digitante-2009-05-18T05:18:00.000Z-www.burnett.co.uk"></span>Removed this link (after first fixing it so it would work without checking the link, oops). <a href="/wiki/User:Digitante" title="User:Digitante">Digitante</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Digitante" title="User talk:Digitante">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Digitante-2009-05-18T05:18:00.000Z-www.burnett.co.uk" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Digitante-2009-05-18T05:18:00.000Z-www.burnett.co.uk"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Digitante-2009-05-18T05:18:00.000Z-www.burnett.co.uk"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Infobox" data-mw-thread-id="h-Infobox-2010-12-17T14:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Infobox-2010-12-17T14:09:00.000Z"></span>Infobox<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Infobox-2010-12-17T14:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Infobox"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mjroots-2010-12-17T14:09:00.000Z-Infobox"></span>An editor has <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frances_Hodgson_Burnett&action=historysubmit&diff=402860577&oldid=402860272">removed the infobox</a> from the article. I'm not sure that this is an improvement. I've already reverted one removal, and this removal at least reduces the image to a thumb. Opening up for discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Mjroots" title="User:Mjroots">Mjroots</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mjroots" title="User talk:Mjroots">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Mjroots-2010-12-17T14:09:00.000Z-Infobox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mjroots-2010-12-17T14:09:00.000Z-Infobox"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mjroots-2010-12-17T14:09:00.000Z-Infobox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Truthkeeper88-2010-12-17T14:16:00.000Z-Mjroots-2010-12-17T14:09:00.000Z"></span>Check the edit history - I've taken a break from this page am not quite done but am preparing for GA. Temptlating regulars as you have on my page isn't the best way to start a conversation. In my mind, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DISINFOBOX" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DISINFOBOX">WP:DISINFOBOX</a>, the box is not necessary: Burnett was born in Manchester (England); moved at 16 to the US; liveed in Paris as a young woman with her husband & then Washington D.C; lived much of her life in both England and the US; became a US citizen late in life. Will the infobox tell us whether she's American or British? Will the infobox tell us whether her literature is American or British? A great majority of the stories are set in England/ Europe and were written there. So, as you see it's quite confusing, and when it's confusing I prefer not to have an infobox. However I can, or anyone else, rewrite the lead with the pertinent facts to replace the infobox. <a href="/wiki/User:Truthkeeper88" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Truthkeeper88">Truthkeeper88</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Truthkeeper88" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Truthkeeper88">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Truthkeeper88-2010-12-17T14:16:00.000Z-Mjroots-2010-12-17T14:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Truthkeeper88-2010-12-17T14:16:00.000Z-Mjroots-2010-12-17T14:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Truthkeeper88-2010-12-17T14:16:00.000Z-Mjroots-2010-12-17T14:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mjroots-2010-12-17T14:33:00.000Z-Truthkeeper88-2010-12-17T14:16:00.000Z"></span>Maybe it would be better to use <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_person" title="Template:Infobox person">infobox person</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> instead of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_writer" title="Template:Infobox writer">infobox writer</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>? Anyway, good luck with the GA. <a href="/wiki/User:Mjroots" title="User:Mjroots">Mjroots</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mjroots" title="User talk:Mjroots">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Mjroots-2010-12-17T14:33:00.000Z-Truthkeeper88-2010-12-17T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mjroots-2010-12-17T14:33:00.000Z-Truthkeeper88-2010-12-17T14:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mjroots-2010-12-17T14:33:00.000Z-Truthkeeper88-2010-12-17T14:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Modernist-2010-12-17T14:36:00.000Z-Mjroots-2010-12-17T14:33:00.000Z"></span>IMO the box is not necessary...<a href="/wiki/User:Modernist" title="User:Modernist">Modernist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Modernist" title="User talk:Modernist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Modernist-2010-12-17T14:36:00.000Z-Mjroots-2010-12-17T14:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Modernist-2010-12-17T14:36:00.000Z-Mjroots-2010-12-17T14:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Modernist-2010-12-17T14:36:00.000Z-Mjroots-2010-12-17T14:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Books_missing_from_list_of_works" data-mw-thread-id="h-Books_missing_from_list_of_works-2012-07-14T22:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Books_missing_from_list_of_works-2012-07-14T22:51:00.000Z"></span>Books missing from list of works<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Books_missing_from_list_of_works-2012-07-14T22:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Books missing from list of works"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.192.33.140-2012-07-14T22:51:00.000Z-Books_missing_from_list_of_works"></span>Her 1917 novel <i><b>The White People</b></i> is missing from the list of works. It's here </p> <pre> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/search?author=burnett%2C+frances&amode=words&title=&tmode=words">http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/search?author=burnett%2C+frances&amode=words&title=&tmode=words</a> </pre> <p>and here </p> <pre> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://books.google.com/books/about/The_white_people.html?id=_94QAAAAYAAJ">http://books.google.com/books/about/The_white_people.html?id=_94QAAAAYAAJ</a> </pre> <p>among other places, but I'm not sure of the right way to reference and footnote when I add it, so maybe someone else should. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.192.33.140" title="Special:Contributions/71.192.33.140">71.192.33.140</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:71.192.33.140&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:71.192.33.140 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-71.192.33.140-2012-07-14T22:51:00.000Z-Books_missing_from_list_of_works" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.192.33.140-2012-07-14T22:51:00.000Z-Books_missing_from_list_of_works"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.192.33.140-2012-07-14T22:51:00.000Z-Books_missing_from_list_of_works"></span> </p><p><br /> </p> <div class="center"><hr /></div> <p><br /><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2.29.52.147-2021-06-13T04:32:00.000Z-Books_missing_from_list_of_works"></span> That's by far not the only missing work in that <i>extremely selective</i> "Selected Works" list - which I find very frustrating, because I came here to try to find original publication dates for her books <i><b>His Grace of Osmonde</b></i> (the sequel to <i><b>A Lady of Quality</b></i>) and <i><b>The Dawn of a To-Morrow</b></i>. </p><p>(If anyone here can direct me to either, not merely transcription dates, that would be welcome - thank you!) </p><p>--<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2.29.52.147" title="Special:Contributions/2.29.52.147">2.29.52.147</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2.29.52.147&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2.29.52.147 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-2.29.52.147-2021-06-13T04:32:00.000Z-Books_missing_from_list_of_works" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2.29.52.147-2021-06-13T04:32:00.000Z-Books_missing_from_list_of_works"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2.29.52.147-2021-06-13T04:32:00.000Z-Books_missing_from_list_of_works"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Picking_a_single_name_to_refer_to_FHB" data-mw-thread-id="h-Picking_a_single_name_to_refer_to_FHB-2015-03-07T21:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Picking_a_single_name_to_refer_to_FHB-2015-03-07T21:50:00.000Z"></span>Picking a single name to refer to FHB<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Picking_a_single_name_to_refer_to_FHB-2015-03-07T21:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Picking a single name to refer to FHB"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T21:50:00.000Z-Picking_a_single_name_to_refer_to_FHB"></span>This article vacillates between referring to its subject as Frances, Eliza, Hodgson, and Burnett, I suspect because it has been edited by multiple people. However it would clearly be more readable if it picked one or two forms to be used when a mononym is required. Although Burnett is her married name, it's the name under which FHB is typically alphabetized (eg at Project Gutenberg), so I propose using it in all contexts after she is married, even after she divorces Swan Burnett, since her later work continues to be published using Burnett. Previous to that, I favour either Frances or Hodgson since she is never cited as Frances Eliza Hodgson Burnett so I think "Eliza" is confusing to the casual reader (I'm guessing from its use at all that she may have been known as Eliza to her friends or in her youth perhaps? But a note to this effect would be sufficient). As no one has touched this talk page since 2012, I'm just going to go ahead and start trying to regularize. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gretchenmcc" title="User:Gretchenmcc">Gretchenmcc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gretchenmcc" title="User talk:Gretchenmcc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T21:50:00.000Z-Picking_a_single_name_to_refer_to_FHB" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 7 March 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T21:50:00.000Z-Picking_a_single_name_to_refer_to_FHB"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T21:50:00.000Z-Picking_a_single_name_to_refer_to_FHB"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T22:00:00.000Z-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T21:50:00.000Z"></span>Update: nevermind, on looking at it again the "Elizas" actually refer to her mother, so the name thing is fine, but clearly that's not totally evident so I tried to make that clearer. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gretchenmcc" title="User:Gretchenmcc">Gretchenmcc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gretchenmcc" title="User talk:Gretchenmcc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T22:00:00.000Z-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T21:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 7 March 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T22:00:00.000Z-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T21:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T22:00:00.000Z-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T21:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Victoriaearle-2015-03-07T22:10:00.000Z-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T22:00:00.000Z"></span>I've done most of the heavy lifting here and typically use Frances because there are so many other surnames involved. It's bulky to refer to her as Hodgson-Burnett, her published name. I meant to use this as example for <a href="/wiki/User:SlimVirgin" title="User:SlimVirgin">SlimVirgin</a>'s essay about <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GGTF/Writing_about_women">writing about women</a>, but I haven't gotten around to responding there. If consensus is to refer to her as Hodgson, I suppose we could do that but it doesn't follow <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Commonname" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Commonname">WP:Commonname</a>. <s>Haven't a clue how the Elizas came in.</s> I abandoned the article for lack of good sourcing, but it needs quite a lot of work still. <a href="/wiki/User:Victoriaearle" title="User:Victoriaearle">Victoria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Victoriaearle" title="User talk:Victoriaearle">tk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Victoriaearle-2015-03-07T22:10:00.000Z-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T22:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 7 March 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Victoriaearle-2015-03-07T22:10:00.000Z-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T22:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Victoriaearle-2015-03-07T22:10:00.000Z-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T22:00:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Victoriaearle-2015-03-07T22:46:00.000Z-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T22:00:00.000Z"></span>Struck about not knowing where the Eliza's came from. Yes, having decided to use "Frances" it seemed logical to me to use "Eliza" for her mother. I suppose we could refer to her mother as Hodgson but it gets confusing because her father was also Hodgson. Hence in situations like that I tend to use baptismal names for everyone. <a href="/wiki/User:Victoriaearle" title="User:Victoriaearle">Victoria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Victoriaearle" title="User talk:Victoriaearle">tk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Victoriaearle-2015-03-07T22:46:00.000Z-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T22:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 7 March 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Victoriaearle-2015-03-07T22:46:00.000Z-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T22:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Victoriaearle-2015-03-07T22:46:00.000Z-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-07T22:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-08T07:14:00.000Z-Victoriaearle-2015-03-07T22:46:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, sorry about that, I think I just saw Frances and Eliza and Hodgson in the same paragraph and got confused, but then when I went to actually try to edit it I realize that the second two are actually the parents. I think Burnett is fine as that's what she gets alphabetized under. Maybe use her father's first name to create a parallel to her mother though? Also, I've been trying to add to the pages of FHB's works -- you're welcome to also add to those if you like! Notably the two that got republished relatively recently, <a href="/wiki/The_Shuttle_(novel)" title="The Shuttle (novel)">The Shuttle (novel)</a> and <a href="/wiki/The_Making_of_a_Marchioness" title="The Making of a Marchioness">The Making of a Marchioness</a>, which means there's at least enough information about them to make them no longer redlinks. --<a href="/wiki/User:Gretchenmcc" title="User:Gretchenmcc">Gretchenmcc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gretchenmcc" title="User talk:Gretchenmcc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-08T07:14:00.000Z-Victoriaearle-2015-03-07T22:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:14, 8 March 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-08T07:14:00.000Z-Victoriaearle-2015-03-07T22:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gretchenmcc-2015-03-08T07:14:00.000Z-Victoriaearle-2015-03-07T22:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lead_summary" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lead_summary-2015-09-29T20:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lead_summary-2015-09-29T20:20:00.000Z"></span>Lead summary<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lead_summary-2015-09-29T20:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Lead summary"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-P64-2015-09-29T20:20:00.000Z-Lead_summary"></span>The four-paragraph lead includes a three-paragraph biographical summary -- too long, perhaps entirely unnecessary. --<a href="/wiki/User:P64" title="User:P64">P64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:P64" title="User talk:P64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-P64-2015-09-29T20:20:00.000Z-Lead_summary" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 29 September 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-P64-2015-09-29T20:20:00.000Z-Lead_summary"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-P64-2015-09-29T20:20:00.000Z-Lead_summary"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Who_is_ORES" data-mw-thread-id="h-Who_is_ORES-2017-11-09T20:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Who_is_ORES-2017-11-09T20:27:00.000Z"></span>Who is ORES<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Who_is_ORES-2017-11-09T20:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Who is ORES"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Victoriaearle-2017-11-09T20:27:00.000Z-Who_is_ORES"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> I noted your recent edit summary here, <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett&curid=433876&diff=809537579&oldid=801468852">[3]</a> and am curious what ORES is? I did most of the expansion to this article years ago but stopped because I didn't have access to some important sources. Some key sections are missing and the prose has never been polished, so who is predicting FA? Just curious. I've never seen that. <a href="/wiki/User:Victoriaearle" title="User:Victoriaearle">Victoriaearle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Victoriaearle" title="User talk:Victoriaearle">tk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Victoriaearle-2017-11-09T20:27:00.000Z-Who_is_ORES" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 9 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Victoriaearle-2017-11-09T20:27:00.000Z-Who_is_ORES"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Victoriaearle-2017-11-09T20:27:00.000Z-Who_is_ORES"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rosiestep-2017-11-09T20:41:00.000Z-Victoriaearle-2017-11-09T20:27:00.000Z"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Victoriaearle" title="User:Victoriaearle">Victoriaearle</a>; that's a good question! Here's some info on <a class="external text" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ORES">ORES</a> (Objective Revision Evaluation Service). And here's a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://ores.wmflabs.org/v2/scores/enwiki/wp10/">link to the tool</a>. The first step in asking ORES to predict the class rating of an article is to click on the "Permanent link" link (it's in the left column of the article). After clicking it just now, the url ends with: 809490329. If you paste 809490329 at the end of <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://ores.wmflabs.org/v2/scores/enwiki/wp10/">https://ores.wmflabs.org/v2/scores/enwiki/wp10/</a> (like so: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://ores.wmflabs.org/v2/scores/enwiki/wp10/809490329">https://ores.wmflabs.org/v2/scores/enwiki/wp10/809490329</a>), you'll see what ORES predicts is the article rating. Now, we know that an article needs to go through a review process for GA and FA, so we can't unilaterally assign GA or FA for the class rating, but we can rate it as high as B in this case. Note, too, that ORES is based on formulas and is imperfect. Seasoned editors may be better predictors of a class rating, buut it can be helpful to see what a tool predicts. Quite frankly, I use it all the time. Hope this helps? --<a href="/wiki/User:Rosiestep" title="User:Rosiestep">Rosiestep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosiestep" title="User talk:Rosiestep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Rosiestep-2017-11-09T20:41:00.000Z-Victoriaearle-2017-11-09T20:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 9 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosiestep-2017-11-09T20:41:00.000Z-Victoriaearle-2017-11-09T20:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosiestep-2017-11-09T20:41:00.000Z-Victoriaearle-2017-11-09T20:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Victoriaearle-2017-11-09T20:48:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2017-11-09T20:41:00.000Z"></span>Huh. Interesting. Thanks so much! The issue here is that there's a biography I never bothered to buy, could only get limited views of pages on g-books, but it really needs to be used to flesh out the detail. Most of the article uses only a couple of sources, so it's not comprehensive. Also it needs a writing style and themes section (requires research!) and then lots of prose work. But, yeah, B is probably about right. I'm not sure about GA without the missing sections, and definitely not FA. <a href="/wiki/User:Victoriaearle" title="User:Victoriaearle">Victoriaearle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Victoriaearle" title="User talk:Victoriaearle">tk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-Victoriaearle-2017-11-09T20:48:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2017-11-09T20:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 9 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Victoriaearle-2017-11-09T20:48:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2017-11-09T20:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Victoriaearle-2017-11-09T20:48:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2017-11-09T20:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Second_husband's_surname" data-mw-thread-id="h-Second_husband's_surname-20231222173400"><span id="Second_husband.27s_surname"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Second_husband's_surname-20231222173400"></span>Second husband's surname<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Second_husband's_surname-20231222173400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Second husband's surname"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-92.24.232.230-20231222173400-Second_husband's_surname"></span>The article linked in this article spells his surname "TownEsend", with a note stating " His second name has also been cited as Townsend"; in the interest of apparent accuracy, then, this article ought to give "TownEsend" in each case, surely, given that was apparently the man's actual name? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.24.232.230" title="Special:Contributions/92.24.232.230">92.24.232.230</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:92.24.232.230&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:92.24.232.230 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frances_Hodgson_Burnett#c-92.24.232.230-20231222173400-Second_husband's_surname" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:34, 22 December 2023 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-92.24.232.230-20231222173400-Second_husband's_surname"><span 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