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When this first came out and we had mostly just news reports repeating the parents allegations it certainly seemed like it could be overreach. Instead it seems the teacher went super out of their way to make completely sure it was indeed copied from AI, even when it seems like it was pretty obvious on its face.<br /> <br /> The students got of remarkably easy IMO.</div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <div class="uix_reactionBarWrapper"> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <a class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--menuTrigger" data-xf-click="menu" title="More options" role="button" tabindex="0" aria-expanded="false" aria-haspopup="true">•••</a> <div class="menu" data-menu="menu" aria-hidden="true" data-menu-builder="actionBarNew"> <div class="menu-content"> <h4 class="menu-header">More options</h4> <div class="js-menuBuilderTarget"></div> <a href="/civis/posts/43325942/report" class="menu-linkRow" data-xf-click="adguest-overlay">Report</a> <a href="/civis/posts/43325942/bookmark" class="bookmarkLink bookmarkLink--highlightable menu-linkRow " title="Bookmark" 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My own experience with AI "detectors" (as of Q3 2023) were 50/50 in identifying correctly. I ran totally generated text thru half a dozen AI detectors and it was split down the middle. It was the same with text that I wrote myself. BUT, that said, the fake references themselves clearly gave it away. <br /> <br /> It's funny that the parents didn't deny plagiarism- they simply tried to argue that this particular type of plagiarism wasn't in the rulebook. In other words, they are totally OK with cheating!<br /> <br /> I'm curious if the plagiarism detectors have gotten better since then? We had to fire someone for using them in lieu of actual work. At the time, we didn't feel the AI detectors alone gave enough merit, but there were additional giveaways as well that clinched it for us. 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Most are so absent from their children's lives that the kids might as well be living in some Mad Max dystopia. Worse, those few who do show up are almost universally destructive, insufferable idiots hell bent on making teachers' jobs impossible by requiring those teachers to do theirs. Both varieties fail their kids, then medicate them into submission when the result of their neglect becomes intolerable. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I'm really sorry that this happened... to the both of us. I experienced the same at universities. The parents would "advocate" on behalf of their children / my student. Helicopters they were not. They were choppers armed with missiles and night-scopes. 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I experienced the same at universities. The parents would "advocate" on behalf of their children / my student. Helicopters they were not. They were choppers armed with missiles and night-scopes. They would try to intimidate professors, the department chair, the dean, the president, and the regents all in order to prevent their children from experience the FO to their FA. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>For university students? My parents didn't even know my grades in college, and would never have thought to intervene. 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If he just accepted his punishment, (hopefully) learned from it, and changed for the better, nobody would care or remember about this. Now, everyone knows about it and the kid and (especially) his parents look worse off then if they did nothing. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Karen's don't live in the same reality as the rest of us. <br /> <br /> "How dare you accuse my child of cheating!! I don't care if he copied things and made up things! You have no right to accuse him of cheating! He's my angel! 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If he just accepted his punishment, (hopefully) learned from it, and changed for the better, nobody would care or remember about this. 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