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data-mw-thread-id="h-Project_Started-2006-03-29T03:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Project_Started-2006-03-29T03:04:00.000Z"></span>Project Started<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Project_Started-2006-03-29T03:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tangotango-2006-03-29T03:04:00.000Z-Project_Started"></span>WikiProject Trains in Japan</b> is a proposal no more! Please feel free to join by adding your name to our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TJ#Participants" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TJ">member's list</a> - <a href="/wiki/User:Tangotango" title="User:Tangotango">Tangot</a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tangotango/Esperanza&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tangotango/Esperanza (page does not exist)"><span style="color:green;">a</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tangotango" title="User talk:Tangotango">ngo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Tangotango-2006-03-29T03:04:00.000Z-Project_Started" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:04, 29 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tangotango-2006-03-29T03:04:00.000Z-Project_Started"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tangotango-2006-03-29T03:04:00.000Z-Project_Started"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Style" data-mw-thread-id="h-Style-2006-03-29T03:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Style-2006-03-29T03:47:00.000Z"></span>Style<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Style-2006-03-29T03:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tangotango-2006-03-29T03:47:00.000Z-Style"></span>I have created a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Style" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Style">Style</a> page detailing the style used in articles about trains in Japan. The page is still preliminary; please feel free to add and remove as you see fit. I'm concerned that there doesn't appear to be any consensus about line names and rolling stock names in article titles. If there is a consensus, can anyone clarify, and if not, can we make one as one of the first tasks in our Project? - <a href="/wiki/User:Tangotango" title="User:Tangotango">Tangot</a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tangotango/Esperanza&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tangotango/Esperanza (page does not exist)"><span style="color:green;">a</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tangotango" title="User talk:Tangotango">ngo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Tangotango-2006-03-29T03:47:00.000Z-Style" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:47, 29 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tangotango-2006-03-29T03:47:00.000Z-Style"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tangotango-2006-03-29T03:47:00.000Z-Style"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DAJF-2006-04-04T04:07:00.000Z-Style"></span>I am fairly keen to start adding articles on individual rolling stock types (e.g. 205 series EMUs, EH200 electric locos), but have been reluctant to start before there was a consensus on the preferred convention for naming these articles. I have already created an article for the E231 series, and one also exists for the E233. However, before the number of rolling stock pages begins to increase, I suggest the following conventions: </p> <ul><li>Shinkansen: 0_Series_Shinkansen (as already used)</li> <li>Diesel locos: DF200_diesel_locomotive</li> <li>Electric locos: EF200_electric_locomotive</li> <li>EMUs: E233_Series_EMU (note capitalization)</li> <li>DMUs: kiha110_DMU (or KIHA110_DMU?)</li> <li>Passenger cars: E26_Series_passenger_car</li> <li>Freight cars: koki106_freight_car (or KOKI106_freight_car?)</li></ul> <p>What do people think? It would of course require renaming the current E231 and E233 series articles (I don't think there are many others yet). The Wikipedia style manual suggests avoiding abbreviations (such as EMU or DMU), but I think these are preferable to having the spelled-out versions (e.g. diesel_multiple_unit) in titles. <a href="/wiki/User:DAJF" title="User:DAJF">DAJF</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-DAJF-2006-04-04T04:07:00.000Z-Style" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DAJF-2006-04-04T04:07:00.000Z-Style"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DAJF-2006-04-04T04:07:00.000Z-Style"></span> </p><p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tangotango-2006-04-04T05:33:00.000Z-Style"></span> About the capitalization of rolling stock titles, here are some pointers to get the discussion going: </p> <ul><li>Tokyu Car Corporation uses "E231 series" (small s) on their website: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.tokyu-car.co.jp/eng/rs/rs_e231.html">[1]</a></li> <li>East Japan Railway Company also uses a small s: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.jreast.co.jp/e/environment/pdf_2004/report2004_p06-07.pdf">[2]</a></li> <li>Hobbylinc.com, a website selling model trains, uses a big S: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/kat/kat10472.htm">[3]</a></li> <li>The Japanese Railway Society uses a small s: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.japaneserailwaysociety.com/jrs/month/y02/aug/y0208.htm">[4]</a></li> <li>A leaflet I have from JR East for their ac@train prototype train says: "E993 Series Prototype Train"</li> <li>The company that designed the doors for the E231 S/series uses the small s: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:-5xTt2BSIQkJ:www.fesys.co.jp/sougou/seihin/p16/pdf/WC31-13a.pdf+E231+series&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=49">[5]</a> (their website is currently closed due to corporate trouble)</li></ul> <p>As for Shinkansen stock: </p> <ul><li>Tokyu Car Corporation uses the form "Shinkansen type E3" (sometimes with a redundant "series" (small s) after it): <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.tokyu-car.co.jp/eng/rs/rs_e3.html">[6]</a> I think that's more akin to saying E3型 (-gata, type) than E3系 (-kei, series)</li> <li>Hitachi uses the small s: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.hitachi.com/rev/1999/revjun99/r3_107.pdf">[7]</a></li></ul> <p>I'm really not sure what to make of this. Statistically, I think the small "s" wins out for both Shinkansen and normal (在来線, <i>zairaisen</i>) stock. I haven't included personal websites because they might be following Wikipedia's lead. </p><p>Does anybody know why the current Shinkansen articles are titled like they are, and has there ever been a consensus? </p><p>As for the Japanese Wikipedia, they use a long unwieldy form of "CompanyName SeriesNumber 系 TypeOfTrain", like "JR東日本E231系電車", and the Chinese Wikipedia follows this too. However, that's great for kanji but not for English: imagine having an article titled "East Japan Railway Company E231 S/series Electronic Multiple Unit". (Oh, but <a href="/wiki/Category:British_Rail_diesel_multiple_units" title="Category:British Rail diesel multiple units">British rail articles</a> use "British Rail Class XXX", but they use <i>class</i> instead of <i>series</i>) </p><p>DAJF, you've proposed using "EMU" like in the Japanese version (but without the company name), and I think that's fine. But is there any need to be specific? There doesn't seem to be anything else so far on Wikipedia that uses a 3-digit number followed by "series", let alone "E" followed by a 3-digit number followed by "series". But maybe it's better to be safe than sorry later on. </p><p>I agree with your suggestion on electric and diesel locomotives, though. However, articles on other countries' locomotives don't seem to follow that: see <a href="/wiki/Category:Diesel_locomotives" title="Category:Diesel locomotives">Category:Diesel locomotives</a>. If we followed the lead of articles about locomotives in other countries, that would result in "JRF EF200", or maybe even "JRF Class E200", although "JRF E200 S/series" seems like an acceptable variant. Only problem is, not many people are going to recognize what JRF means. </p><p>There's a lot of discussion that needs to take place. I'm going to leave the rest of the proposals for now. Too much typing :) - <a href="/wiki/User:Tangotango" title="User:Tangotango">Tangot</a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tangotango/Esperanza&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tangotango/Esperanza (page does not exist)"><span style="color:green;">a</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tangotango" title="User talk:Tangotango">ngo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Tangotango-2006-04-04T05:33:00.000Z-Style" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tangotango-2006-04-04T05:33:00.000Z-Style"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tangotango-2006-04-04T05:33:00.000Z-Style"></span> </p><p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DAJF-2006-04-12T02:10:00.000Z-Style"></span> Thanks for your comments and feedback. I have gone ahead and put these style conventions on the Style page, although I realize that they are still subject to change, and people are welcome to modify them as appropriate. </p><p>Regarding capitalization, I am not really bothered whether we use "XXX Series" or "XXX series", but since "Series" is already used for all of the shinkansen articles, I think it would be better to standardize on this style for zairaisen stock too. </p><p>Including the company name for JR/JNR rolling stock will make the names long and unwieldy, and will cause problems if people are not sure whether something was built by JNR or JR. I suggest that the company name only be used for private railway rolling stock. I would prefer to include "EMU" and "DMU" in the names, as I think this will avoid any possible confusion in the future. </p><p>Anyway, let's leave these conventions on the Style page and see if there are any objections or suggestions. Dave F. aka <a href="/wiki/User:DAJF" title="User:DAJF">DAJF</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-DAJF-2006-04-12T02:10:00.000Z-Style" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DAJF-2006-04-12T02:10:00.000Z-Style"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DAJF-2006-04-12T02:10:00.000Z-Style"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tangotango-2006-04-12T07:52:00.000Z-DAJF-2006-04-12T02:10:00.000Z"></span>DAJF, thank you for updating the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Style" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Style">Style</a> page. I've removed the underscores, because strictly speaking, they aren't part of the title and could prove to be confusing. I'm still a little unsure about the <a href="/wiki/Katakana" title="Katakana">katakana</a> type identifiers... maybe a space between the type (e.g. KIHA) and number (110) would make things more readable, but I wish there was a nicer way of doing things. What do other people think? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Tangotango" title="User:Tangotango">Tangot</a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tangotango/Esperanza&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tangotango/Esperanza (page does not exist)"><span style="color:green;">a</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tangotango" title="User talk:Tangotango">ngo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Tangotango-2006-04-12T07:52:00.000Z-DAJF-2006-04-12T02:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:52, 12 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tangotango-2006-04-12T07:52:00.000Z-DAJF-2006-04-12T02:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tangotango-2006-04-12T07:52:00.000Z-DAJF-2006-04-12T02:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Featured_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Featured_article-2006-03-30T07:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Featured_article-2006-03-30T07:44:00.000Z"></span>Featured article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Featured_article-2006-03-30T07:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tangotango-2006-03-30T07:44:00.000Z-Featured_article"></span>In our scope, I think the <a href="/wiki/Shinkansen" title="Shinkansen">Shinkansen</a> article is closest to becoming a featured article. The Japanese version, <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%96%B0%E5%B9%B9%E7%B7%9A" class="extiw" title="ja:新幹線">ja:新幹線</a> is featured; if we can work our version up to featured status, that would be great. - <a href="/wiki/User:Tangotango" title="User:Tangotango">Tangot</a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tangotango/Esperanza&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tangotango/Esperanza (page does not exist)"><span style="color:green;">a</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tangotango" title="User talk:Tangotango">ngo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Tangotango-2006-03-30T07:44:00.000Z-Featured_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:44, 30 March 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tangotango-2006-03-30T07:44:00.000Z-Featured_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tangotango-2006-03-30T07:44:00.000Z-Featured_article"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hikari_(Shinkansen),_Hikari_Rail_Star_(Shinkansen)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hikari_(Shinkansen),_Hikari_Rail_Star_(Shinkansen)-2006-04-01T04:10:00.000Z"><span id="Hikari_.28Shinkansen.29.2C_Hikari_Rail_Star_.28Shinkansen.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hikari_(Shinkansen),_Hikari_Rail_Star_(Shinkansen)-2006-04-01T04:10:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Hikari_(Shinkansen)" class="mw-redirect" title="Hikari (Shinkansen)">Hikari (Shinkansen)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Hikari_Rail_Star_(Shinkansen)" class="mw-redirect" title="Hikari Rail Star (Shinkansen)">Hikari Rail Star (Shinkansen)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hikari_(Shinkansen),_Hikari_Rail_Star_(Shinkansen)-2006-04-01T04:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JRHorse-2006-04-01T04:10:00.000Z-Hikari_(Shinkansen),_Hikari_Rail_Star_(Shinkansen)"></span>Do you think these should be two separate articles, or should they be combined under the single Hikari article? </p><p>I added stopping patterns on the Hikari page which include stopping patterns for the Rail Star. <a href="/wiki/User:JRHorse" title="User:JRHorse">JRHorse</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-JRHorse-2006-04-01T04:10:00.000Z-Hikari_(Shinkansen),_Hikari_Rail_Star_(Shinkansen)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 1 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JRHorse-2006-04-01T04:10:00.000Z-Hikari_(Shinkansen),_Hikari_Rail_Star_(Shinkansen)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JRHorse-2006-04-01T04:10:00.000Z-Hikari_(Shinkansen),_Hikari_Rail_Star_(Shinkansen)"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2006-04-01T18:58:00.000Z-Hikari_(Shinkansen),_Hikari_Rail_Star_(Shinkansen)"></span>I think they can be in the same article for now, and if the Rail Star section becomes large enough, then it can be split off. The Rail Star is just one of the Hikari trains anyway. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe">日本穣</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Nihonjoe-2006-04-01T18:58:00.000Z-Hikari_(Shinkansen),_Hikari_Rail_Star_(Shinkansen)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 1 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2006-04-01T18:58:00.000Z-Hikari_(Shinkansen),_Hikari_Rail_Star_(Shinkansen)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2006-04-01T18:58:00.000Z-Hikari_(Shinkansen),_Hikari_Rail_Star_(Shinkansen)"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JRHorse-2006-04-03T01:56:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2006-04-01T18:58:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, I've added a proposed merger link into the Rail Star article. <a href="/wiki/User:JRHorse" title="User:JRHorse">JRHorse</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-JRHorse-2006-04-03T01:56:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2006-04-01T18:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:56, 3 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JRHorse-2006-04-03T01:56:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2006-04-01T18:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JRHorse-2006-04-03T01:56:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2006-04-01T18:58:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JRHorse-2006-05-21T12:35:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2006-04-01T18:58:00.000Z"></span>The merge is now complete. Special thanks to <a href="/wiki/User:Sekicho" title="User:Sekicho">Sekicho</a> for his edits. <a href="/wiki/User:JRHorse" title="User:JRHorse">JRHorse</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-JRHorse-2006-05-21T12:35:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2006-04-01T18:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JRHorse-2006-05-21T12:35:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2006-04-01T18:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JRHorse-2006-05-21T12:35:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2006-04-01T18:58:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Userbox" data-mw-thread-id="h-Userbox-2006-04-03T07:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Userbox-2006-04-03T07:01:00.000Z"></span>Userbox<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Userbox-2006-04-03T07:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2006-04-03T07:01:00.000Z-Userbox"></span> I made a userbox <b><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:User_JTrain" title="Template:User JTrain">User JTrain</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span></b> which yields the following: </p><div class="wikipediauserbox" style="float:left;border:1px solid #CCCCFF;margin:1px;width:238px"><table role="presentation" style="border-collapse:collapse;width:238px;margin-bottom:0;margin-top:0;background:#F8F8FF;color:inherit"><tbody><tr><td style="border:0;width:45px;height:45px;background:#CCCCFF;text-align:center;font-size:14pt;font-weight:bold;color:black;padding:0 1px 0 0;line-height:1.25em;vertical-align:middle"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Tetsudo_tram_sign.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Tetsudo_tram_sign.svg/35px-Tetsudo_tram_sign.svg.png" decoding="async" width="35" height="56" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Tetsudo_tram_sign.svg/53px-Tetsudo_tram_sign.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Tetsudo_tram_sign.svg/70px-Tetsudo_tram_sign.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="664" data-file-height="1070"/></a></span></td><td style="border:0;text-align:left;font-size:8pt;padding:0 4px 0 4px;height:45px;line-height:1.25em;color:black;vertical-align:middle">This user is a member of<br/><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains in Japan">WikiProject Trains in Japan</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p><br clear="left"/>Hope you like it. (^_^) --<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe">日本穣 Nihonjoe</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Nihonjoe-2006-04-03T07:01:00.000Z-Userbox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:01, 3 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2006-04-03T07:01:00.000Z-Userbox"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2006-04-03T07:01:00.000Z-Userbox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tangotango-2006-04-03T09:09:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2006-04-03T07:01:00.000Z"></span>Looks good! The sign does look a little garbled at smaller sizes, though. - <a href="/wiki/User:Tangotango" title="User:Tangotango">Tangot</a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tangotango/Esperanza&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tangotango/Esperanza (page does not exist)"><span style="color:green;">a</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tangotango" title="User talk:Tangotango">ngo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Tangotango-2006-04-03T09:09:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2006-04-03T07:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:09, 3 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tangotango-2006-04-03T09:09:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2006-04-03T07:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tangotango-2006-04-03T09:09:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2006-04-03T07:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2006-04-03T09:34:00.000Z-Tangotango-2006-04-03T09:09:00.000Z"></span>Is the sign used in Japan? It's unfamiliar, but perhaps it's in use? <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Fg2-2006-04-03T09:34:00.000Z-Tangotango-2006-04-03T09:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2006-04-03T09:34:00.000Z-Tangotango-2006-04-03T09:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2006-04-03T09:34:00.000Z-Tangotango-2006-04-03T09:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2006-04-03T15:48:00.000Z-Fg2-2006-04-03T09:34:00.000Z"></span>I've seen similar signs in use in western Japan. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe">日本穣 Nihonjoe</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Nihonjoe-2006-04-03T15:48:00.000Z-Fg2-2006-04-03T09:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 3 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2006-04-03T15:48:00.000Z-Fg2-2006-04-03T09:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2006-04-03T15:48:00.000Z-Fg2-2006-04-03T09:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2006-04-03T21:00:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2006-04-03T15:48:00.000Z"></span>I'll look for it. It's probably one of those things that when you start looking you see it everywhere. <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Fg2-2006-04-03T21:00:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2006-04-03T15:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2006-04-03T21:00:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2006-04-03T15:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2006-04-03T21:00:00.000Z-Nihonjoe-2006-04-03T15:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-S7rugg1e-2006-04-04T12:43:00.000Z-Fg2-2006-04-03T21:00:00.000Z"></span>I've seen it several times, though it is a bit redundant because there is almost always a fumikiri that goes with it. I like this graphic, but a fumikiri, a track switch sign, or a grade indicator would do just as fine.<a href="/wiki/User:S7rugg1e" title="User:S7rugg1e">struggle</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-S7rugg1e-2006-04-04T12:43:00.000Z-Fg2-2006-04-03T21:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 4 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-S7rugg1e-2006-04-04T12:43:00.000Z-Fg2-2006-04-03T21:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-S7rugg1e-2006-04-04T12:43:00.000Z-Fg2-2006-04-03T21:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requesting_content_suggestions_for_Portal:Trains" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requesting_content_suggestions_for_Portal:Trains-2006-04-04T14:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requesting_content_suggestions_for_Portal:Trains-2006-04-04T14:01:00.000Z"></span>Requesting content suggestions for <a href="/wiki/Portal:Trains" title="Portal:Trains">Portal:Trains</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requesting_content_suggestions_for_Portal:Trains-2006-04-04T14:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Slambo-2006-04-04T14:01:00.000Z-Requesting_content_suggestions_for_Portal:Trains"></span>In editing <a href="/wiki/Portal:Trains" title="Portal:Trains">Portal:Trains</a>, I try to present items from a worldwide perspective. Being stuck in the Kingdom of <a href="/wiki/United_States" title="United States">America</a>, however, I've found that I have to go searching out information from outside the current 50 states. For this I am requesting the help of any project members here to suggest content for the portal's <i>Selected article</i> (<a href="/wiki/Portal:Trains/Selected_article" title="Portal:Trains/Selected article">archive</a>/<a href="/wiki/Portal:Trains/Selected_article_candidates" title="Portal:Trains/Selected article candidates">candidates</a>), <i>Selected picture</i> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Portal:Trains/Featured_picture&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Portal:Trains/Featured picture (page does not exist)">archive</a>/<a href="/wiki/Portal:Trains/Selected_picture_candidates" title="Portal:Trains/Selected picture candidates">candidates</a>), <i>Did you know...</i> (<a href="/wiki/Portal:Trains/Did_you_know" title="Portal:Trains/Did you know">archive</a>/<a href="/wiki/Portal:Trains/Did_you_know_candidates" title="Portal:Trains/Did you know candidates">candidates</a>), <i>Selected anniversaries</i> (<a href="/wiki/Portal:Trains/Anniversaries" title="Portal:Trains/Anniversaries">archive</a>) and <i>Trains news</i> (<a href="/wiki/2006_in_rail_transport" title="2006 in rail transport">2006 archive</a>) sections. </p><p>The Selected article needs to be at least <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GA">Good article</a> quality (although it does not need to be tagged as a GA or better). The Selected picture needs to be available under a free license (following the same guidelines as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FPC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FPC">featured picture candidates</a>). Items in the Did you know section are probably the least restrictive; it needs to be a fact about rail transport and the fact must be mentioned in the article somewhere. For the anniversaries, supporting references would be great, just be sure to use the format that is shown already (any of the March anniversaries pages show examples of the format that I'm following now and that I'm upgrading the rest of the anniversary pages to). In the Trains news section, I'm trying to list significant events from around the world, leaving out, for example, announcements of derailments that only caused minor delays or that did not adversely affect traffic; I'm also trying to keep it from listing six events from one area of the world at any time. </p><p>A few editors who are working on British railway articles are helping out with the Did you know and Selected picture sections with suggestions of their own, but I'd like to see more from other regions. AdThanksVance! <a href="/wiki/User:Slambo" title="User:Slambo">Slambo</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Slambo" title="User talk:Slambo"><small style="color:black;">(Speak)</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Slambo-2006-04-04T14:01:00.000Z-Requesting_content_suggestions_for_Portal:Trains" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Slambo-2006-04-04T14:01:00.000Z-Requesting_content_suggestions_for_Portal:Trains"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Slambo-2006-04-04T14:01:00.000Z-Requesting_content_suggestions_for_Portal:Trains"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tangotango-2006-04-05T15:17:00.000Z-Slambo-2006-04-04T14:01:00.000Z"></span>I have nominated <a href="/wiki/FASTECH_360" class="mw-redirect" title="FASTECH 360">FASTECH 360</a> for the <i><a href="/wiki/Portal:Trains/Did_you_know_candidates#Suggestions" title="Portal:Trains/Did you know candidates">Did you know</a></i> section. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Tangotango" title="User:Tangotango">Tangot</a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tangotango/Esperanza&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tangotango/Esperanza (page does not exist)"><span style="color:green;">a</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tangotango" title="User talk:Tangotango">ngo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Tangotango-2006-04-05T15:17:00.000Z-Slambo-2006-04-04T14:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tangotango-2006-04-05T15:17:00.000Z-Slambo-2006-04-04T14:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tangotango-2006-04-05T15:17:00.000Z-Slambo-2006-04-04T14:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ladies_Only_photo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ladies_Only_photo-2006-04-08T12:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ladies_Only_photo-2006-04-08T12:28:00.000Z"></span>Ladies Only photo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ladies_Only_photo-2006-04-08T12:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2006-04-08T12:28:00.000Z-Ladies_Only_photo"></span> Was someone looking for this? I recall a discussion, but can't figure out where or when. <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Fg2-2006-04-08T12:28:00.000Z-Ladies_Only_photo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 8 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2006-04-08T12:28:00.000Z-Ladies_Only_photo"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2006-04-08T12:28:00.000Z-Ladies_Only_photo"></span> </p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Slambo-2006-04-08T13:45:00.000Z-Ladies_Only_photo"></span><figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:JR-LadiesOnly-M0944.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/JR-LadiesOnly-M0944.jpg/150px-JR-LadiesOnly-M0944.jpg" decoding="async" width="150" height="105" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/JR-LadiesOnly-M0944.jpg/225px-JR-LadiesOnly-M0944.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/JR-LadiesOnly-M0944.jpg/300px-JR-LadiesOnly-M0944.jpg 2x" data-file-width="930" data-file-height="654"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <dl><dd>Hey, cool. I've got a use for it in the Portal's anniversaries section. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Slambo" title="User:Slambo">Slambo</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Slambo" title="User talk:Slambo"><small style="color:black;">(Speak)</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Slambo-2006-04-08T13:45:00.000Z-Ladies_Only_photo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:45, 8 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Slambo-2006-04-08T13:45:00.000Z-Ladies_Only_photo"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Slambo-2006-04-08T13:45:00.000Z-Ladies_Only_photo"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Adjacent_Stations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Adjacent_Stations-2006-04-28T12:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Adjacent_Stations-2006-04-28T12:28:00.000Z"></span>Adjacent Stations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Adjacent_Stations-2006-04-28T12:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tangotango-2006-04-28T12:28:00.000Z-Adjacent_Stations"></span>In the <a href="/wiki/Category:Railway_stations_in_Japan" title="Category:Railway stations in Japan">station articles</a>, there appear to be mainly three ways of showing/linking to stations that are adjacent the one in question: </p> <ol><li>Using one of the railway line templates derived from <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Japan_Railway_Line&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Japan Railway Line (page does not exist)">Template:Japan Railway Line</a>, like <a href="/wiki/Template:Senseki_Line" title="Template:Senseki Line">Template:Senseki Line</a></li> <li>Using a blockquoted version (see the <b>Neighboring Stations</b> section of <a href="/wiki/Yokohama_Station" title="Yokohama Station">Yokohama Station</a>)</li> <li>Using <a href="/wiki/Template:Service_rail_start" title="Template:Service rail start">Template:Service rail start</a> (see <a href="/wiki/Akihabara_Station" title="Akihabara Station">Akihabara Station</a>) - admittedly, this template is of my creation, idea borrowed from <a href="/wiki/Template:Rail_start" title="Template:Rail start">Template:Rail start</a>, which is inexplicably UK railway-only)</li></ol> <p>I realize it will be difficult, but shouldn't there be an effort to standardize this to some degree? (If there's a method I've missed, please feel free to edit my post). Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Tangotango" title="User:Tangotango">Tangot</a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tangotango/Esperanza&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tangotango/Esperanza (page does not exist)"><span style="color:green;">a</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tangotango" title="User talk:Tangotango">ngo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Tangotango-2006-04-28T12:28:00.000Z-Adjacent_Stations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:28, 28 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tangotango-2006-04-28T12:28:00.000Z-Adjacent_Stations"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tangotango-2006-04-28T12:28:00.000Z-Adjacent_Stations"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neier-2006-04-29T10:24:00.000Z-Tangotango-2006-04-28T12:28:00.000Z"></span>I think that there may be room for both the line templates and the service rail start templates. The Japanese wikipedia usually has both (a list of neighboring stations; and then a template for each line through the station). But, the Japanese pages are obviously serving a different audience than we are. For the majority of English speakers, I don't know which one is more useful. At any rate, I'm not a big fan of the style that you pointed to in <a href="/wiki/Yokohama_Station" title="Yokohama Station">Yokohama Station</a>; and, would not object if we standardized on the Service rail template in the Adjacent stations section, along with the line templates at the bottom of each article. <a href="/wiki/User:Neier" title="User:Neier">Neier</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Neier-2006-04-29T10:24:00.000Z-Tangotango-2006-04-28T12:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neier-2006-04-29T10:24:00.000Z-Tangotango-2006-04-28T12:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neier-2006-04-29T10:24:00.000Z-Tangotango-2006-04-28T12:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Softgrow-2006-04-29T10:43:00.000Z-Neier-2006-04-29T10:24:00.000Z"></span>I think we should have the line template as a minimum. It is very useful in navigating along a line from station to station. Without it you need to find the line page then navigate to the next station. Service rail start and the block quoted version only allow you to move one station at a time. <a href="/wiki/User:Softgrow" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Softgrow">Softgrow</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Softgrow-2006-04-29T10:43:00.000Z-Neier-2006-04-29T10:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Softgrow-2006-04-29T10:43:00.000Z-Neier-2006-04-29T10:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Softgrow-2006-04-29T10:43:00.000Z-Neier-2006-04-29T10:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tangotango-2006-05-04T09:50:00.000Z-Tangotango-2006-04-28T12:28:00.000Z"></span>I agree with both of you. Why don't we (1) have the line template as a minimum and (2) add <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Service_rail_start" title="Template:Service rail start">service rail start</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> as the page gets more mature? <a href="/wiki/User:Tangotango" title="User:Tangotango">Tangot</a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tangotango/Esperanza&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tangotango/Esperanza (page does not exist)"><span style="color:green;">a</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tangotango" title="User talk:Tangotango">ngo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Tangotango-2006-05-04T09:50:00.000Z-Tangotango-2006-04-28T12:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tangotango-2006-05-04T09:50:00.000Z-Tangotango-2006-04-28T12:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tangotango-2006-05-04T09:50:00.000Z-Tangotango-2006-04-28T12:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Source_for_rail-related_photos" data-mw-thread-id="h-Source_for_rail-related_photos-2006-04-28T23:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Source_for_rail-related_photos-2006-04-28T23:48:00.000Z"></span>Source for rail-related photos<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Source_for_rail-related_photos-2006-04-28T23:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihonjoe-2006-04-28T23:48:00.000Z-Source_for_rail-related_photos"></span>I found <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%88%A9%E7%94%A8%E8%80%85:Rsa" class="extiw" title="ja:利用者:Rsa">a user on the Japanese Wikipedia</a> who has uploaded all kinds of train-related pics under <a href="/wiki/GFDL" class="mw-redirect" title="GFDL">GFDL</a>, which means they can be used here with no problems as long as they are sourced correctly. See the two pics on <a href="/wiki/Takaoka_Station" class="mw-disambig" title="Takaoka Station">Takaoka Station</a> for how I sourced them, and feel free to copy my sourcing format if you wish. (^_^) --<a href="/wiki/User:Nihonjoe" title="User:Nihonjoe">日本穣 Nihonjoe</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Nihonjoe-2006-04-28T23:48:00.000Z-Source_for_rail-related_photos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 28 April 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihonjoe-2006-04-28T23:48:00.000Z-Source_for_rail-related_photos"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihonjoe-2006-04-28T23:48:00.000Z-Source_for_rail-related_photos"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ShonanSummer-2006-08-06T03:51:00.000Z-Source_for_rail-related_photos"></span>Have you come across <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://hisaai-hp.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Odakyu/01_s_eg.html">this page</a>? Some useful (and seemingly accurate) data about lines in Japan. The photos particulary caught my eye - there are three for each station: the exterior, a view of the platform and a platform station-name sign. It's not clear if we can use the photos - there's no indication of their copyright status. Does anyone know? <a href="/wiki/User:ShonanSummer" title="User:ShonanSummer">ShonanSummer</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-ShonanSummer-2006-08-06T03:51:00.000Z-Source_for_rail-related_photos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ShonanSummer-2006-08-06T03:51:00.000Z-Source_for_rail-related_photos"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ShonanSummer-2006-08-06T03:51:00.000Z-Source_for_rail-related_photos"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2006-08-06T03:58:00.000Z-ShonanSummer-2006-08-06T03:51:00.000Z"></span>The top page for that site is <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://members.aol.com/hisakyu/top_eg.html">here</a>. It includes various regions. I'd assume it's copyrighted unless otherwise stated. <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Fg2-2006-08-06T03:58:00.000Z-ShonanSummer-2006-08-06T03:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)</a> I checked a couple of photo pages and they bear the copyright statement "PHOTO © HisaAi" at the bottom. <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2<span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2006-08-06T03:58:00.000Z-ShonanSummer-2006-08-06T03:51:00.000Z"></span></a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2006-08-06T03:58:00.000Z-ShonanSummer-2006-08-06T03:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><small><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neier-2006-07-18T13:37:00.000Z-Source_for_rail-related_photos"></span>moved from below</i></small>: I stumbled across this user's pictures on the Japanese wikipedia (over 400 station pictures). They are GFDLd, so it shouldn't be a problem to put them in the commons and reuse them here. I'm not sure how much overlap there is between our existing stations and those pictures; but, there are already some that I noticed, and will move into articles. The link is <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%88%A9%E7%94%A8%E8%80%85:Kouchiumi/3" class="extiw" title="ja:利用者:Kouchiumi/3">ja:利用者:Kouchiumi/3</a>. Is there a good place to keep lists of pages like this? <a href="/wiki/User:Neier" title="User:Neier">Neier</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Neier-2006-07-18T13:37:00.000Z-Source_for_rail-related_photos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neier-2006-07-18T13:37:00.000Z-Source_for_rail-related_photos"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neier-2006-07-18T13:37:00.000Z-Source_for_rail-related_photos"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Style_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Style_discussion-2006-06-15T16:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Style_discussion-2006-06-15T16:52:00.000Z"></span>Style discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Style_discussion-2006-06-15T16:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tangotango-2006-06-15T16:52:00.000Z-Style_discussion"></span>Just a note: A discussion about article titles for stations is currently being held at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Style" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Style">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Style</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:Tangotango" title="User:Tangotango">Tangot</a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tangotango/Esperanza&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tangotango/Esperanza (page does not exist)"><span style="color:green;">a</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tangotango" title="User talk:Tangotango">ngo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Tangotango-2006-06-15T16:52:00.000Z-Style_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tangotango-2006-06-15T16:52:00.000Z-Style_discussion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tangotango-2006-06-15T16:52:00.000Z-Style_discussion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Limitedexpresstrain-2006-06-24T23:36:00.000Z-Tangotango-2006-06-15T16:52:00.000Z"></span>Thanks, the Japan MOS has now been updated to reflected the changes about stations with the same name. <a href="/wiki/User:Limitedexpresstrain" title="User:Limitedexpresstrain">Limitedexpresstrain</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Limitedexpresstrain-2006-06-24T23:36:00.000Z-Tangotango-2006-06-15T16:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 24 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Limitedexpresstrain-2006-06-24T23:36:00.000Z-Tangotango-2006-06-15T16:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Limitedexpresstrain-2006-06-24T23:36:00.000Z-Tangotango-2006-06-15T16:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Odakyu_Odawara_Line" data-mw-thread-id="h-Odakyu_Odawara_Line-2006-06-24T23:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Odakyu_Odawara_Line-2006-06-24T23:41:00.000Z"></span>Odakyu Odawara Line<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Odakyu_Odawara_Line-2006-06-24T23:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Limitedexpresstrain-2006-06-24T23:41:00.000Z-Odakyu_Odawara_Line"></span>Someone on the talk page of the <a href="/wiki/Odakyu_Odawara_Line" class="mw-redirect" title="Odakyu Odawara Line">Odakyu Odawara Line</a> has recommended it be merged with the Odakyu Electric Railway page. In my opinion this doesn't make sense at all, since we have usually have seperate line pages, and each line deserves it own page. Anycase the discussion is on the <a href="/wiki/Odakyu_Odawara_Line" class="mw-redirect" title="Odakyu Odawara Line">Odakyu Odawara Line</a> talk page. I thought everyone might want to chime in there. <a href="/wiki/User:Limitedexpresstrain" title="User:Limitedexpresstrain">Limitedexpresstrain</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Limitedexpresstrain-2006-06-24T23:41:00.000Z-Odakyu_Odawara_Line" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Limitedexpresstrain-2006-06-24T23:41:00.000Z-Odakyu_Odawara_Line"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Limitedexpresstrain-2006-06-24T23:41:00.000Z-Odakyu_Odawara_Line"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_changes_to_{{TrainsWikiProject}}_for_subprojects" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_changes_to_{{TrainsWikiProject}}_for_subprojects-2006-07-03T18:39:00.000Z"><span id="Proposed_changes_to_.7B.7BTrainsWikiProject.7D.7D_for_subprojects"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_changes_to_{{TrainsWikiProject}}_for_subprojects-2006-07-03T18:39:00.000Z"></span>Proposed changes to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:TrainsWikiProject" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:TrainsWikiProject">TrainsWikiProject</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> for subprojects<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_changes_to_{{TrainsWikiProject}}_for_subprojects-2006-07-03T18:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Slambo-2006-07-03T18:39:00.000Z-Proposed_changes_to_{{TrainsWikiProject}}_for_subprojects"></span>I've proposed a change to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:TrainsWikiProject" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:TrainsWikiProject">TrainsWikiProject</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> that would incorporate links to the various subprojects of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Trains" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains">WikiProject Trains</a>. Your input on <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:TrainsWikiProject#Further_enhancements,_subprojects" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:TrainsWikiProject">the template talk page</a> would be appreciated. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Slambo" title="User:Slambo">Slambo</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Slambo" title="User talk:Slambo"><small style="color:black;">(Speak)</small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Slambo-2006-07-03T18:39:00.000Z-Proposed_changes_to_{{TrainsWikiProject}}_for_subprojects" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Slambo-2006-07-03T18:39:00.000Z-Proposed_changes_to_{{TrainsWikiProject}}_for_subprojects"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Slambo-2006-07-03T18:39:00.000Z-Proposed_changes_to_{{TrainsWikiProject}}_for_subprojects"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Shinbashi_Station_to_Shimbashi_Station" data-mw-thread-id="h-Shinbashi_Station_to_Shimbashi_Station-2006-07-05T23:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Shinbashi_Station_to_Shimbashi_Station-2006-07-05T23:30:00.000Z"></span>Shinbashi Station to Shimbashi Station<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Shinbashi_Station_to_Shimbashi_Station-2006-07-05T23:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Limitedexpresstrain-2006-07-05T23:30:00.000Z-Shinbashi_Station_to_Shimbashi_Station"></span>I recommend changing the name frm the (n) spelling to the (m) spelling. Please refer to talk page <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shinbashi_Station">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shinbashi_Station</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Limitedexpresstrain" title="User:Limitedexpresstrain">Limitedexpresstrain</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Limitedexpresstrain-2006-07-05T23:30:00.000Z-Shinbashi_Station_to_Shimbashi_Station" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:30, 5 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Limitedexpresstrain-2006-07-05T23:30:00.000Z-Shinbashi_Station_to_Shimbashi_Station"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Limitedexpresstrain-2006-07-05T23:30:00.000Z-Shinbashi_Station_to_Shimbashi_Station"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Line_service_table" data-mw-thread-id="h-Line_service_table-2006-07-07T14:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Line_service_table-2006-07-07T14:30:00.000Z"></span>Line service table<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Line_service_table-2006-07-07T14:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neier-2006-07-07T14:30:00.000Z-Line_service_table"></span>In <a href="/wiki/J%C5%8Dban_Line" title="Jōban Line">Jōban Line</a>, there is a nice table showing which trains (rapid, special rapid, etc) stop at which stations. I was about to embark on expanding it up to include the northern half of the line, but didn't know a good place to get the info. I am 99% sure that the current table came from an older version of <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B8%B8%E7%A3%90%E7%B7%9A" class="extiw" title="ja:常磐線">ja:常磐線</a> (the table was removed in June). On the Japanese talk page, it looks like this was discussed at the bottom of the page (maybe someone with better Japanese ability than me can figure that out). </p><p>Anyway, it brings up two questions. Well, actually only 1.5, because depending upon the first answer, the second question may be meaningless. </p> <ul><li>1 - Should we try to include such a table for all of the train lines (especially those with multiple grades of service)?</li></ul> <ul><li>2 - Since the stops on an "express" may change from time to time, how do we verify that?</li></ul> <p>As much as I like the table, and the information it conveys, #2 may be nightmarish to deal with. What does everyone else think? <a href="/wiki/User:Neier" title="User:Neier">Neier</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Neier-2006-07-07T14:30:00.000Z-Line_service_table" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neier-2006-07-07T14:30:00.000Z-Line_service_table"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neier-2006-07-07T14:30:00.000Z-Line_service_table"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Discussion:_"Wikipedia_is_not_a_timetable"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion:_"Wikipedia_is_not_a_timetable"-2006-07-11T19:53:00.000Z"><span id="Discussion:_.22Wikipedia_is_not_a_timetable.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion:_"Wikipedia_is_not_a_timetable"-2006-07-11T19:53:00.000Z"></span>Discussion: "Wikipedia is not a timetable"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion:_"Wikipedia_is_not_a_timetable"-2006-07-11T19:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mangoe-2006-07-11T19:53:00.000Z-Discussion:_"Wikipedia_is_not_a_timetable""></span>A policy re: station and station stop articles is being proposed for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Trains" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains">Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains</a> and it has been suggested that it be considered here as well. Please come and comment at <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mangoe/Wikipedia_is_not_a_timetable&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mangoe/Wikipedia is not a timetable (page does not exist)">User:Mangoe/Wikipedia is not a timetable</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Mangoe" title="User:Mangoe">Mangoe</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Mangoe-2006-07-11T19:53:00.000Z-Discussion:_"Wikipedia_is_not_a_timetable"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mangoe-2006-07-11T19:53:00.000Z-Discussion:_"Wikipedia_is_not_a_timetable""></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mangoe-2006-07-11T19:53:00.000Z-Discussion:_"Wikipedia_is_not_a_timetable""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neier-2006-07-12T13:04:00.000Z-Mangoe-2006-07-11T19:53:00.000Z"></span>In a related vein, I received the following message on my talk page regarding my recent addition of several train stations: <a href="/wiki/User:Neier" title="User:Neier">Neier</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Neier-2006-07-12T13:04:00.000Z-Mangoe-2006-07-11T19:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neier-2006-07-12T13:04:00.000Z-Mangoe-2006-07-11T19:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neier-2006-07-12T13:04:00.000Z-Mangoe-2006-07-11T19:53:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Centrx-2006-07-12T06:43:00.000Z-Neier-2006-07-12T13:04:00.000Z"></span>Please remember that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not" title="Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not">Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information</a>. Listing every train station in Japan, most all of which are one-liners, is not appropriate for Wikipedia. —<a href="/wiki/User:Centrx" title="User:Centrx">Centrx</a>→<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Centrx" title="User talk:Centrx"><i>talk</i></a> • <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Centrx-2006-07-12T06:43:00.000Z-Neier-2006-07-12T13:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Centrx-2006-07-12T06:43:00.000Z-Neier-2006-07-12T13:04:00.000Z"></span></i><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Centrx-2006-07-12T06:43:00.000Z-Neier-2006-07-12T13:04:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Translation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Translation-2006-07-13T10:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Translation-2006-07-13T10:21:00.000Z"></span>Translation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Translation-2006-07-13T10:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neier-2006-07-13T10:21:00.000Z-Translation"></span>At <a href="/wiki/%C5%8Cu_Main_Line" title="Ōu Main Line">Ōu Main Line</a>, there is this sentence: </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><i>Together with the <a href="/wiki/Kosei_Line" title="Kosei Line">Kosei Line</a>, <a href="/wiki/Hokuriku_Main_Line" title="Hokuriku Main Line">Hokuriku Main Line</a>, <a href="/wiki/Shin%27etsu_Main_Line" title="Shin'etsu Main Line">Shin'etsu Main Line</a>, <a href="/wiki/Hokushin_Line" title="Hokushin Line">Hokushin Line</a>, and the <a href="/wiki/Uetsu_Main_Line" title="Uetsu Main Line">Uetsu Main Line</a>, the Ōu Main Line is one of the express lines and freight lines that make up the </i>Nihonkai Jūkan-sen<i> (<a href="/wiki/Sea_of_Japan" title="Sea of Japan">Sea of Japan</a> North-South Line).</i></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>Since North/South is normally 南北 (nanboku), and since the western half is not so much norht/south, I decided to look it up. The Japanese of Nihonkai Jūkan-sen is <a href="https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E6%B5%B7%E7%B8%A6%E8%B2%AB%E7%B7%9A" class="extiw" title="ja:日本海縦貫線">ja:日本海縦貫線</a>, and 縦貫 doesn't mean North-South, but "traversal". Is there a reference for the North-South translation? Since the line spreads from Kinki all the way through Tōhoku, I doubt that there is an official English name for it; but, I'll gladly be proven wrong. (again). Or, should it be reworded in English? <a href="/wiki/User:Neier" title="User:Neier">Neier</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Neier-2006-07-13T10:21:00.000Z-Translation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neier-2006-07-13T10:21:00.000Z-Translation"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neier-2006-07-13T10:21:00.000Z-Translation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fg2-2006-07-13T10:58:00.000Z-Neier-2006-07-13T10:21:00.000Z"></span>No reference. Please word it as you think best. "Traversal" or "trans-Japan" may be best. <a href="/wiki/User:Fg2" title="User:Fg2">Fg2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Fg2-2006-07-13T10:58:00.000Z-Neier-2006-07-13T10:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fg2-2006-07-13T10:58:00.000Z-Neier-2006-07-13T10:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fg2-2006-07-13T10:58:00.000Z-Neier-2006-07-13T10:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neier-2006-07-18T01:49:00.000Z-Fg2-2006-07-13T10:58:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. Trans-Japan is what I used. <a href="/wiki/User:Neier" title="User:Neier">Neier</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Neier-2006-07-18T01:49:00.000Z-Fg2-2006-07-13T10:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neier-2006-07-18T01:49:00.000Z-Fg2-2006-07-13T10:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neier-2006-07-18T01:49:00.000Z-Fg2-2006-07-13T10:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template:Service_rail_start" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template:Service_rail_start-2006-07-14T12:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template:Service_rail_start-2006-07-14T12:20:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Template:Service_rail_start" title="Template:Service rail start">Template:Service rail start</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template:Service_rail_start-2006-07-14T12:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neier-2006-07-14T12:20:00.000Z-Template:Service_rail_start"></span>I came across a variation of the template which is similar to the signs on train platforms, where a major station is listed up top on both sides, and the next station is listed below it on both sides. See <a href="/wiki/Allen_Lane_(SEPTA_station)" class="mw-redirect" title="Allen Lane (SEPTA station)">Allen Lane (SEPTA station)</a> for an example. This might start to get unwieldy in stations with very many lines, but it might also make things a little clearer... I'm sure each train company has their definition of 上／下 for every line, so it may be ok just to standardize on that and not clutter up the template with even more text. </p><p>Is there a convention for the directions of these templates (ie, is left-previous towards Tokyo; or is it the right-next station)? <a href="/wiki/User:Neier" title="User:Neier">Neier</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Neier-2006-07-14T12:20:00.000Z-Template:Service_rail_start" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neier-2006-07-14T12:20:00.000Z-Template:Service_rail_start"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neier-2006-07-14T12:20:00.000Z-Template:Service_rail_start"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="924_Articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-924_Articles-2006-07-23T15:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-924_Articles-2006-07-23T15:00:00.000Z"></span>924 Articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-924_Articles-2006-07-23T15:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tangotango-2006-07-23T15:00:00.000Z-924_Articles"></span>I've just gone through the <a href="/wiki/17_July" class="mw-redirect" title="17 July">17 July</a> database dump and found 924 articles under <a href="/wiki/Category:Rail_transport_in_Japan" title="Category:Rail transport in Japan">Category:Rail transport in Japan</a> and its subcategories. The complete list is available <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Scope" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Scope">here</a>. Just that, nothing else. ;) I'm hoping someone can put the list to good use. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Tangotango" title="User:Tangotango">Tangot</a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tangotango/Esperanza&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tangotango/Esperanza (page does not exist)"><span style="color:green;">a</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tangotango" title="User talk:Tangotango">ngo</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Tangotango-2006-07-23T15:00:00.000Z-924_Articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 23 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tangotango-2006-07-23T15:00:00.000Z-924_Articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tangotango-2006-07-23T15:00:00.000Z-924_Articles"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Updating_location_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Updating_location_articles-2006-07-29T02:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Updating_location_articles-2006-07-29T02:39:00.000Z"></span>Updating location articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Updating_location_articles-2006-07-29T02:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neier-2006-07-29T02:39:00.000Z-Updating_location_articles"></span>Some of you may have seen over at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Japan#Transport_in_cities.2Ftowns" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan">Japan project talk page</a> a discussion on listing transportation (like rail stations, airports, highways, etc) on city and town (or district) pages. It seems that there is a consensus to do it, as well as an accepted standard (see <a href="/wiki/Yuzawa,_Akita" title="Yuzawa, Akita">Yuzawa, Akita</a> for an example). I also think that it is in this project's interest to do the updates to the town articles. But, we need to decide on several things first. </p><p>First, a fairly non-controversial one: I think that stations should be listed in the smallest location article (as in, the village, but not the district; or in the ward, but not the city). </p><p>Also, it may be impractical to list all of the stations of <a href="/wiki/Chiyoda,_Tokyo" title="Chiyoda, Tokyo">Chiyoda, Tokyo</a>, so in some cases it would be ok to just list the lines and possibly the major stations in an area with large numbers of stations. That is open to interpretation, I suppose, but I don't know of a good rule of thumb. </p><p>A trickier problem is how we could go about adding this info. There are two options: going through city by city, or going through line by line. Going through city by city would more than likely require some copying from the Japanese wikipedia, since each town seems to already have a 交通 section. Line names and stations would have to be translated, of course. Going through each line might be easier (especially, since a good number of JR lines already have the stations and their cities listed in English). The ja line articles also usually have that info too. </p><p>So, I guess I'm proposing a subtask to add the list of stations to each city/town (with links where possible, and either red links or no links if no station articles exist). I think the most efficient way is for one person to take either a prefecture or a line (see above), and fill it out. My individual preference would be to sort by prefecture, even though it is a little harder. The rationale is mostly due to a prejudice I have against incomplete lists. If a town has three or four separate lines, the article might end up with just one or two lines of stations listed for a long time, until someone volunteered to do the remaining two lines. It also makes it easier to chart progress. </p><p>Opinions and comments?? <a href="/wiki/User:Neier" title="User:Neier">Neier</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1#c-Neier-2006-07-29T02:39:00.000Z-Updating_location_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neier-2006-07-29T02:39:00.000Z-Updating_location_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neier-2006-07-29T02:39:00.000Z-Updating_location_articles"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1&oldid=1082491153">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains_in_Japan/Archive_1&oldid=1082491153</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 13 April 2022, at 13:15<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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