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[[User:Sjoerddebruin|<font color="#325186">'''Sjoerd de Bruin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sjoerddebruin|<font color="#325186">(talk)</font>]] 08:34, 9 November 2016 (UTC) :: Tell me please in more detail, what should I do. Widar is working by himself, so I have no influence on the speed of the tool. --[[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:44, 9 November 2016 (UTC) :::See [[Wikidata:Flooders]]. Are you running one instance or more at a time? [[User:Sjoerddebruin|<font color="#325186">'''Sjoerd de Bruin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sjoerddebruin|<font color="#325186">(talk)</font>]] 08:45, 9 November 2016 (UTC) :::: Every time only one instance. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:49, 9 November 2016 (UTC) :::::Hm, weird. I thought Widar speed was limited. [[User:Sjoerddebruin|<font color="#325186">'''Sjoerd de Bruin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sjoerddebruin|<font color="#325186">(talk)</font>]] 08:51, 9 November 2016 (UTC) :::::: I added a flood request. --[[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:59, 9 November 2016 (UTC) == P17 = Q30971 == Hi, You added {{P|17}} = {{Q|30971}} on some items ({{Q|Q27626179}}, {{Q|Q27625780}}, {{Q|Q27626571}}, {{Q|Q27626374}}, {{Q|Q27625983}}, {{Q|Q27626180}}, {{Q|Q27625783}}, {{Q|Q27626572}}, {{Q|Q27626375}}, {{Q|Q27625984}}, {{Q|Q27626182}}, {{Q|Q27625784}}, {{Q|Q27626574}}, {{Q|Q27626376}}, {{Q|Q27625985}}, {{Q|Q27626184}}, {{Q|Q27625785}}, {{Q|Q27626576}}, {{Q|Q27626377}}, {{Q|Q27625986}}) but {{Q|30971}} is not a country nor a state. Could you remove it and maybe replace it by {{Q|142}} which is the good value for {{P|17}} here ; I'm not sure if the P17 should be on every sub-items as I'm not sure to know how the data about championship are structured...) Cdlt, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:07, 9 November 2016 (UTC) : Added France, how to proceed with Polynesia I'm not sure, because in many sports it behaves like an own country, i.e. has own national teams and own memberships in worldwide sports governing bodies. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:09, 9 November 2016 (UTC) ::Not sure either... It behave like but still, it's not. And the team may be under the Polynesia flag but not the competition itself, is it? Cdlt, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:19, 17 November 2016 (UTC) == Badminton player == You have created a lot of badminton player, but all the item are without source or sitelink or backlink, so they do not meet the [[Wikidata:Notability|notability policy]]. Can you add some source? Without change I must delete them. --[[User:ValterVB|ValterVB]] ([[User talk:ValterVB|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:06, 7 January 2017 (UTC) : Referring is a really big task. I planned to do this until the end of 2017, but time is limited and you will be faster with the deletion process than I will be able to create a process for referring and adding the references (with nothing knowing about programming or bots). Only for the field of badminton, where I was nearly the only one contributor, it would take one to two hours a day to keep Wikidata up to date. This is an amount hardly to realize all the time, and will be increased very much when items are deleted. So this means I have to give up. If somebody wants to start referring some suggestions: For people with results before 2015 all players should have at least a link in dewiki (a link, not an own page). For instance for the deleted Tamara Otene see [[:de:Spezial:Linkliste/Tamara_Otene]]. Sometimes there must be added (Badminton), for instance for the deleted Rachel Howard see [[:de:Spezial:Linkliste/Rachel_Howard_(Badminton)]] (there are also links without (Badminton) valid for the badminton player). For players with results in 2015 and later, a BWF ID should exist, to be determined with the link [http://www.bwfbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=15539 bwfbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=15539]. After doing this for all players, only a few people without sources should remain. These players should be put on a maintenance page, and references must be found for them elsewhere (like in books, journals etc.). --[[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:58, 13 January 2017 (UTC) :: If an item haven't source, haven't backlink and haven't sitelink, isn't notable. If you can't use a BOT to create item with source you can ask in [[Wikidata:Bot requests]]. Item with only{{p|31}}, {{P|106}} and {{P|641}}, {{p|21}} without source or sitelink are totally useless and add in a second moment the source can be impossible. --[[User:ValterVB|ValterVB]] ([[User talk:ValterVB|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:52, 13 January 2017 (UTC) ==[[Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/florentyna]]== If your request is still needed, please add a comment to your request pages saying your requests are still active.--[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:47, 12 February 2017 (UTC) == Use of bounds == Hey Florentyna, I work on claims with quantity datatype these days and try to fix usage of bounds in cases where no bounds should be applied. Bounds were added by default for a long time, but by far not all quantities have uncertainties and bounds are thus not applicable. For badminton items, I find a lot of ±0 bounds in {{Property|P1352}} claims which seem to be removable, and some rather odd ±2 bounds that you added intentionally (example: [[Q27243726]]). While I don’t see a reason to keep the ±0 ones (all can be removed in a single edit per item), I’d like to ask what the meaning of the ±2 bounds should be, and whether we should keep them or try to find a better model. Thanks and regards, [[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC) : It is a really good idea to remove all the ±0 bounds. The ±1 bounds, ±2 bounds, ±3 bounds etc. must be kept. In the cited case the final standing is not known beyond rank 4, but 7±2 will cover all possible rankings. The procedure can be done for all pages with property sport=badminton. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:01, 20 June 2017 (UTC) ::Thanks for your prompt reply. I will start with the ±0 bounds soon and not touch the other ones. However, it looks to me that {{Property|P1352}}: ''unknown value'' fits much better in this case than use of bounds. Regards, —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:06, 20 June 2017 (UTC) ::: Unknown value is from my point of view less specific. 7±2 will cover in my understanding all possible values from 5 to 9. Other values like 1 to 4 or bigger than 9 will not be allowed, what in the case of using unknown value would be possible values, too. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC) ::::Your decision. Wikidata cannot handle those cases properly, thus it is always a little difficult in case of unknown data. There are not many cases anyway in the field of badminton, as far as I can see. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:22, 20 June 2017 (UTC) ::::: That's right, I did not use it extensively. It should appear only on a few pages in comparison to ±0, what appears very often (and what was not wanted to create in this style). [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:41, 20 June 2017 (UTC) Uh I just saw how many items are affected only for badminton: 16156 non-human items and 9174 human items. You have an impressive output! However, this means I should apply for a bot flag for [[User:MsynBot]] first and use that account to do the edits. I plan to work with PAWS which makes an edit every ten seconds, so the entire batch will take at least three full days. I hope it does not have too much impact to your watchlist … —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:42, 20 June 2017 (UTC) : I worked with WiDaR this time - an this was quite fast in these days. 30.000 edits over night were possible, and one could also run two or more instances in parallel. A bot flag for this task could be useful. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:50, 20 June 2017 (UTC) ::PAWS does not perform more than one edit each 10 seconds (roughly), and my pywikibot installation at tool labs is not yet ready for use. I wanted to apply for a bot flag anyway, since there is another larger correction job waiting as well. It is about time to do this now. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:14, 20 June 2017 (UTC) == Q521101 == Please stop adding English aliases to Czech language category in Q521101. Thank you. --[[User:Silesianus|Silesianus]] ([[User talk:Silesianus|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:08, 6 January 2018 (UTC) == Labels in different languages == In connection with [[Wikidata:Project_chat#Automatically_copied_labels_to_other_languages|this thread]], I kindly ask you to stop adding any labels in languages that you don't speak or you don't know enough to be certain that labels are correct. The {{Q|27913439}} was an example in the linked discussion, but I can easily give you many more examples, like {{Q|27914425}}, {{Q|27914424}} or {{Q|27914429}}. Almost every language has its own transcripition (or transliteration) rules and names transcribed using English rules are incorrect in other languages (in fact, e.g. original Belarusian cyrillic names would be in many cases better than English transcription). Unfortunately, many incorrect labels added by you would probably stay in WD for many years, as I don't think that there will be someone with enough time to check all the items. ''[[User:Wostr|Wostr]]'' <small>([[User talk:Wostr|talk]])</small> 21:22, 29 January 2018 (UTC) : I don't agree with you. All these people are also known with these transcriptions in Polish. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:41, 30 January 2018 (UTC) :: So please give me any official source for such transcription of cyrryllic names to Polish. ''[[User:Wostr|Wostr]]'' <small>([[User talk:Wostr|talk]])</small> 00:44, 31 January 2018 (UTC) ::: At least, it these names are also used in Poland. For instance [http://www.badmintonzone.pl/?strona=news&id=1596], Valeriya Mushtakova. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:22, 31 January 2018 (UTC) :::: Such names are used by Polish media only because regular newspaper employees do not know that English (or other language) transcription of cyrryllic names are incorrect in Polish language. Usually, nobody cares and such incorrect names are widely spread across many websites and even paper publications. But in fact, original cyrryllic name is better than foreign language transcription. What's more putting English transcriptions into Polish labels have clearly no value at all – if someone want to find an item using such transcription, it will be possible even without Polish (incorrect) label. :::: I can provide Russian/Byelorussian/Ukrainain→Polish transcription rules, but it would be impossible to use it without original cyrryllic name – so these rules would be of no use for you, because (correct me if I'm wrong) you're not using original names. I cannot, however, turn a blind eye to adding incorrect Polish (and I think, not only Polish) labels. Using incorrect names by some websites or other media is not an argument for adding it to WD. ''[[User:Wostr|Wostr]]'' <small>([[User talk:Wostr|talk]])</small> 19:06, 31 January 2018 (UTC) Since this page is still on my watchlist and I read this, may I interfere? * nameGuzzler and other automated label copy tools should indeed not be used if transcription between different scripts is involved—and that is actually the case here, as far as I see. The reason is that we usually use ''phonetic transcription'' for such cases, and that depends on both source ''and'' target language (to produce a readable, phonetically similar representation of the name in the target language). * It is true, however, that transcription is not always done properly by local media and the like. This is particularly the case for sportspersons, where the native name is often not very well known. In many cases the “English” transcription may qualify as an alias, although transcription to English is not as well defined as in many other languages. * Furthermore, it is advisable to store the native name in {{Property|P1559}}—that would make some kind of automatic transcription possible. * Nevertheless, nameGuzzler is very useful if source and target language have the same script (holds at least for latin script, not fully sure of others). There are some exceptions such as Latvian or Czech language. Regards, —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:40, 31 January 2018 (UTC) * It is true that e.g. usually (but not always) labels can be copied within the Latin alphabet languages (e.g. German name would be the same in Polish etc.); the few exceptions include Latvian and I think Lithuanian (but I'm not so sure that Czech too [if Czech, then Slovak probably too]), where there is some kind of translation (not just transcription) of names from every language. So I have nothing against adding English, German etc. names, but adding English transcription of cyrryllic names is a different thing. Here is the problem that original cyrryllic name is not added, so I can<s>'t</s><small>mistake, ''[[User:Wostr|Wostr]]'' <small>([[User talk:Wostr|talk]])</small> 00:19, 1 February 2018 (UTC)</small> only delete incorrect Polish label, because I can easily tell that it's not correct, but I can't tell what is the correct transcription without original name. ''[[User:Wostr|Wostr]]'' <small>([[User talk:Wostr|talk]])</small> 21:24, 31 January 2018 (UTC) ::Czechs usually add -ová into woman surnames (e.g. Wostr for males, Wostrová for females).--[[User:Silesianus|Silesianus]] ([[User talk:Silesianus|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:34, 31 January 2018 (UTC) == Share your experience and feedback as a Wikimedian in this global survey == <div class="mw-parser-output"> <div class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr"> Hello! The Wikimedia Foundation is asking for your feedback in a survey. 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Thanks! </div> <span class="mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">[[m:User:WMF Surveys|WMF Surveys]]</span>, 01:40, 13 April 2018 (UTC) </div>  == wikidata orphans?? == Today I see or the first time that there are wikidata personal entries without any existing article in any wikiproject. You started Nassra Jumaa, badminton player, wd:Q26986911. What is the point of this? We try to evaluate editing on swwiki and I find this highly irritating. Can you kindly tell what that is good for? Especially if anybody starts an article about her there is a high probability that it will be new wikidata entry because of the varying orthographies in this area of the world. On dewiki she is red-linked as Nasra Juma [[:de:Badminton-Afrikameisterschaft_1992]] so if any body writes that it will be a new enry. To this practic looks like receipe for chaos. [[User:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[User talk:Kipala|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:07, 28 September 2018 (UTC) : I guess, you have to dive a little bit deeper into Wikidata. Wikidata has 50 million entries, the biggest wiki (EN) has 5 million. This means, that Wikidata contains 10 times more sites than every other wiki. This also means, that there must be around 40 million pages here without an entry in any other wiki. You will find such pages for all types of subjects and objects (see for instance Q49955512 or Q35491436 or Q18627851 or Q18627846). Wikidata is: ''a free and open knowledge base that can be read and edited by both humans and machines. Wikidata acts as central storage for the structured data of its Wikimedia sister projects including Wikipedia, Wikivoyage, Wikisource, and others. Wikidata also provides support to many other sites and services beyond just Wikimedia projects!'' I hope this helped at least a little bit. Best [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:37, 28 September 2018 (UTC) == subclass of: badminton tournament == Hey Florentyna, I am trying to resolve some issues with the messy {{Q|Q13406554}} ontology, and found that there is a really large number of modelling mistakes involving the {{Q|Q13357858}} item. [https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fitem%20WHERE%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP279%20wd%3AQ13357858%3B%20wdt%3AP31%2Fwdt%3AP279%20wd%3AQ13357858%20%7D Around 25.000 items] about ''instances of'' badminton tournaments also have a claim {{P|P279}}: {{Q|Q13357858}}, which technically makes them classes as well; this is clearly not correct. From item histories it looks like you added a substantial amount of them. Since the items of the query above already have a {{P|P31}} --> {{P|P279}} property path to the {{Q|Q13357858}} item, it would suffice to just remove the {{P|P279}}: {{Q|Q13357858}} claims in this case as a repair. Do you happen to know whether there are any users of the subclass claims that need to be informed (particularly Wikipedia templates)? I would otherwise set up a batch to repair this by removal of the subclass claims for all items of the query above. Viele Grüße, [[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:14, 21 October 2018 (UTC) : Can you show me for instance here [[Q57432446]] how it will look at the end? When I started adding these items I asked for the correct assignment, and the current way of adding was the result. In general, there are adding around 5 people to badminton items. For me, there must be an easy way (an really easy way like now) to find back these tournaments. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:49, 21 October 2018 (UTC) ::We just have to remove the {{P|P279}}: {{Q|Q13357858}} claim, that’s it. I don’t know what was discussed in the past, yet I found this problem via [https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fsuperclass%20%3FsuperclassLabel%20%28COUNT%28%2a%29%20AS%20%3Fcnt%29%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP279%2a%20wd%3AQ13406554%3B%20wdt%3AP279%20%3Fsuperclass%3B%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Flabel%20.%0A%20%20FILTER%28LANG%28%3Flabel%29%20%3D%20%27en%27%29%20.%0A%20%20FILTER%28REGEX%28STR%28%3Flabel%29%2C%20%27%5C%5Cd%5C%5Cd%5C%5Cd%5C%5Cd%27%29%29%20.%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%7D%20GROUP%20BY%20%3Fsuperclass%20%3FsuperclassLabel%20ORDER%20BY%20DESC%28%3Fcnt%29 this query] (count of sports competition ''instances'' with a wrong subclass-of relation to {{Q|Q13406554}}, by competition type). You can see that the problem I want to fix is basically a badminton tournament problem, much more than a general sports competition problem. ::How you can find the items depends on your workflow. The items we are talking about all have a {{P|P31}} claim with a value that itself has a (correct) {{P|P279}} relation to {{Q|Q13357858}}. Cf. in the example brought up by yourself: ::* {{Q|Q57432446}} --> {{P|P31}} --> {{Q|Q1749925}} ::* {{Q|Q1749925}} --> {{P|P279}} --> {{Q|Q13357858}} ::In SPARQL, you can efficiently query this situation with <code>?item wdt:P31/wdt:P279 wd:Q13357858</code>. The direct and flawed relation {{Q|Q57432446}} --> {{P|P279}} --> {{Q|Q13357858}} which I propose to remove is not necessary. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:06, 21 October 2018 (UTC) Hey Florentyna, you’ve probably seen me a lot on your watchlist in the past two days. I have meanwhile tidied wrong subclass relations for all other sports than badminton (see query from my previous comment; remaining cases are false-positives). Before I start to touch the wrong badminton subclass relations, there are two minor issues where I propose changes: * [https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ57733494%20.%0A%20%20MINUS%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP361%20%3Fparent%20%7D%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%7D These five items] seem to be about badminton events which actually did not happen per [[:de:Junioren-Badmintonasienmeisterschaft]], correct? I suggest to delete them. * [https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP2094%2Fwdt%3AP641%20wd%3AQ7291%20.%0A%20%20MINUS%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ57733494%20%7D%0A%20%20MINUS%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP361%20%5B%5D%20%7D%0A%20%20MINUS%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ22936940%20%7D%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%7D%20ORDER%20BY%20ASC%28%3Flabel%29 These 18 items] have no structural need. As they are basically Wikimedia lists, I suggest to re-model them to {{P|P31}}: {{Q|Q13406463}}, and remove most of the actual data as there is no need for the items besides sitelink management. All of the items are not in use in any other item, and there is no need in the sports ontology for them, which means we do not open any gap if we change this as proposed. Now back to the subclass relations of non-subclasses in badminton. You mentioned the importance of easy accessibility for your work. However, others want to access items as well, and do it according to common procedures in the field of sports. Furthermore, the vast number of (wrong) badminton subclass relations also make it difficult in many situations to query all actual subclasses of {{Q|Q13406554}}, which is a pretty important use case. Can you thus help me to find queries (e.g. on your user page) which would have to be adapted if I remove the wrong subclass relations? Which other user need to be informed? Depending on the type of items, we would have to replace query fragments <code>?item wdt:P279 wd:Q13357858</code>, with with you apparently access very different item typs right now, as follows: * <code>?item wdt:P31 wd:Q57733494 . # individual badminton events</code> – ~17k items * <code>?item wdt:P31/wdt:P279 wd:Q13357858 . # badminton tournament instances</code> – 9k items * <code>?item wdt:P31 wd:Q13357858; wdt:P3085 [] . # badminton qualification tournament instances</code> – around 70 are available * <code>?item wdt:P31 wd:Q27020041; wdt:P641 wd:Q7291 . # badminton seasons</code> – only very few are available Besides these four types, there will be cases where the {{P|P279}}: {{Q|Q13357858}} relation is indeed correct, i.e. you will need to continue to use <code>?item wdt:P279 wd:Q13357858 . # badminton tournament classes</code> to query badminton tournament classes. Right now it is difficult to really estimate how many items this affects, as most of those relations are not correct (my take: order of 1000). On a side note: for items of type {{Q|Q57733494}} I have meanwhile systematically added {{P|P2094}} claims (with [https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ22936940%3B%20wdt%3AP641%20wd%3AQ7291%20.%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%27en%2Cde%27%20%7D%0A%7D these values]) and {{P|P361}} (links to the badminton tournament), and inverse {{P|P527}} in tournament items. Actually, the field of badminton at Wikidata is pretty well in shape, except for the subclass problem. Viele Grüße, [[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:51, 26 October 2018 (UTC) : For me it is really difficult to understand, what was done and to estimate, what are the consequences of all these changes. Mostly all the follow up edits in the future will be the worse things. I will see, if I will be able to do the maintenance for all these items and the fighting against vandalism like before. Best regards [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:50, 27 October 2018 (UTC) ::Hey Florentyna, your concerns seem to be vague, but let me try to give an answer anyways: ::* A substantial part of the edits I made were additions (P2094) or completions (P361/P527) of statements. P2094 was not in use before in badminton event items, but as it is just an addition without further rearrangement it should not impact your workflow. P361/P527 was already properly, but only partially set up for a substantial amount of badminton event items, and I have now completed missing data. This should not harm your workflow as well. ::* A real change was the {{P|P31}} value of badminton event items (such as {{Q|Q27878872}}). Before, it was {{P|P31}}: {{Q|Q13485854}}, now it is {{P|P31}}: {{Q|Q57733494}} ([https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q27878872&type=revision&diff=773898120&oldid=772764130 example diff]). We still have, for all ~17.000 badminton event items, the relation {{P|P361}}: {{Q|Q13485854}} to the badminton tournament item (i.e. data was redundant anyways: badminton event items systematically contained {{P|P31}} and {{P|P361}} claims with the same value item; only the latter one is necessary). ::* Furthermore, there were two smaller changes: badminton seasons (only around 15 available) have now {{P|P31}}: {{Q|Q27020041}}, rather than a value {{Q|Q18340514}} ([https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q13481812&diff=773899244&oldid=746607445 example diff]). Season were not consistently set up before, so it should be easier to track them now. The other smaller change affects 69 qualification tournaments, which have a new P31 value now ([https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1315189&type=revision&diff=773868113&oldid=651554338 example diff]). ::* Besides these rather systematic batches, I have corrected lots of minor flaws in individual items that I spotted while setting up the batches. This should not impact your workflow as well. ::So, up to now you might need to collect badminton events differently, but I am not sure whether you have used the changed relationships in the past at all. From what you said earlier, you mainly rely on {{P|P279}}: {{Q|Q13357858}} claims, which I have not touched yet. Still, we have to remove most of them, as they are not correct in many regards. I have offered to update queries, and I offer to remove the statements as well. However, I have to know what needs to be updated, which is why I’m writing lengthy comments here. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:15, 27 October 2018 (UTC) :::Hey Florentyna, I am still waiting for input here. Thanks, [[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:56, 11 November 2018 (UTC) This seems for me at the moment very complicated. What I expect is, that all entered information will be kept (for instance as other property) and will be easy to find (without any additional tools like complicate query constructions, i.e. with the basic tools "What links here" etc.) [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:36, 18 November 2018 (UTC) === 2019 June discussion === Hi Florentyna and MisterSynergy, I agree that the {{P|P279}}: {{Q|Q13357858}} statements are errors and prevent the construction of a sensible class structure in Wikidata (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology). I found these statements as I was trying to examine the full Wikidata class structure. Florentyna, can you explain what your objection to removing them is? Is there something MisterSynergy or I can do to help? It sounds like MisterSynergy has offered to do most of the work. What if they were made into additional {{P|P31}} statements? [[User:Gabrielaltay|Gabrielaltay]] ([[User talk:Gabrielaltay|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC) : Please male an example what and how to change, it is for me after half a year gone too complicated to understand the problem. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:45, 16 June 2019 (UTC) :[[User:Gabrielaltay]], thanks for raising this issue again. I found it via [//lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2019-June/013168.html this thread] on the wikidata-l mailing list. The problem still persists obviously, and it is a pretty clear classification mistake. I am still interested to help and prepared to do the necessary repair edits by myself.<br>The reason that I did not start and finish this repair last time is that I did not manage to really convince Florentyna by the solution, and as she got really used to the status quo and is a very productive editor in the field of badminton tournaments, I left it as it is. The situation does complicate some things for me which I solved with problem-specific workarounds in queries, but this is understandably not an acceptable situation for all users and the workaround is not possible in all situations. At some point, we need to fix this anyways.<br>Florentyna, if it helps we can switch to German and discuss this problem in our native language, although that would probably make it difficult for other users to help. Besides the changes in items, we could go through all your maintenance queries and update them to reflect the changes in items. Viele Grüße! —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:07, 16 June 2019 (UTC) :: Hi all, English is okay. The subclass was not my invention - I asked around here and got the answer to use this subclass (and instances, too) so I am using it here since 6 years. At the moment this is the only identifier to find all badminton tournaments and do related tasks to the tournaments. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:19, 16 June 2019 (UTC) :::Uhm, do not get me wrong, this is not some ugly blame game here; I do not care about who "invented" the current data model, I just want to seek an improvement. As this would clearly affect your valuable work a lot, I got in touch with you last year, and now again triggered by the wikidata-l thread. If I understand you correctly, the actual problem on your side is that you have build your entire workflow around the current situation, and it is now somewhat complicated to adapt it to something else. Would you agree? Which kind of help would you expect to mitigate the pain that comes with this repair, just as with practically any significant change? I am willing to help and advise beyond a short-term repair process, but I do not exactly know what you need here… —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:31, 16 June 2019 (UTC) :::: No problem, I first need to know, how it will look in the future - then I can make an estimation how big it affects the current workflow. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:40, 16 June 2019 (UTC) :::::Okay. I will re-read the older discussion above, run some queries to have a look at today's situation, and come up with a more detailed suggestion here soon. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:54, 16 June 2019 (UTC) Thank you both for the replies. Would it be useful if we used one tournament page as a sandbox, for example {{Q|Q121940}}? This way we can edit it until we get to a form everyone is comfortable with and then apply the edits to all of them. Also, if I'm understanding correctly, one of the important goals for Florentyna is to be able to easily select all tournaments and this is currently done by selecting every subclass of {{Q|Q13357858}} or using "what links here" on the {{Q|Q13357858}} page? Perhaps we can generate a permanent link to a SPARQL query that would do the same thing without relying on the subclass property? -- [[User:Gabrielaltay|Gabrielaltay]] 17:03, 16 June 2019 (UTC) :The situation is a bit more complicated, as there are at least four different item types which use {{P|P279}}: {{Q|Q13357858}} incorrectly at the moment, and they need a different repair (see older discussion above). As far as I understand the situation, Florentyna uses "subclass of: badminton tournament" to collect everything which relates to badminton tournaments, a bit like a topical category in Wikipedia. She also mentioned that she uses "WhatLinksHere". I am inclined to offer another, equally simple way to access the items, but one with no other meaning than accessibility: {{P|P5008}}: new item for "Badminton tournament focus list".<br>There is to my knowledge not very much usage of Badminton tournament data in Wikipedias (i.e. no templates or modules to fix), thus whatever we do is probably affecting Wikidata only at the moment, and more specifically Florentyna's workflow as she *is* basically the Badminton project :-). Florentyna has a lot of queries, for instance on her user page, which need to be updated, and she needs to update her import tools as she usually adds the subclass-of claims in question to all new items.<br>Florentyna, would that be okay? You would still have a simple accessibility handle as you have now. I can of course look at all of your queries, but I have no idea how you prepare your imports. --[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:29, 19 June 2019 (UTC) == Merge Li Wenmei == Hi Florentyna,, can you help me to merge this Q58416641 with Q44030108.. Thank you --[[User:Stvbastian|Stvbastian]] ([[User talk:Stvbastian|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC) : No problem, done. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:31, 18 November 2018 (UTC) ˑ Hi Florentyna, please help merge this item (Q27906228) to Gabriela Meilani Moningka (Q27825096). Thanks --[[User:Stvbastian|Stvbastian]] ([[User talk:Stvbastian|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:36, 9 February 2019 (UTC) Done, best [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:31, 10 February 2019 (UTC) == MusicBrainz == Hi Florentyna, I am curious: what was the reason to remove the MusicBrainz-ID's from https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q21098801&diff=856711180&oldid=845702660? Ambiguity? Both ID's are correct, the composition exists in two versions (for organ and for orchestra). How is such a situation handled best? Regards --[[User:FordPrefect42|FordPrefect42]] ([[User talk:FordPrefect42|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:57, 13 February 2019 (UTC) : The musicbrainz IDs are about the two versions, not about the whole subject. So, one can add additionally op. 86, B. 153 and op. 86, B. 175 (if not yet on WD) and make a connection to this item here. If this item here would link to both items, Wikidata lists this site here as a constraint violation. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:37, 13 February 2019 (UTC) == Merging items == Hallo {{BASEPAGENAME}}, <br /> When you (want to) merge items, you may want to use the [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Merge.js|merge.js]] gadget from [[Special:MyLanguage/Help:Merge|help page about merging]]. It helps with merging and removes the need to file a request on [[Wikidata:Requests for deletions]]. <br /> With regards,- ''[[User:Cycn|сyсn]]'' - <small>([[User talk:Cycn|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cycn|{{int:Contribslink}}]] • [[Special:Log/Cycn|{{int:sp-contributions-logs}}]])</small> 05:57, 4 April 2019 (UTC) : I hope to manage this, could be helpful for [[Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P356]] - around 40000 duplicates. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:31, 4 April 2019 (UTC) == Quickstatements rate limit == Hi Florentyna - I noticed that your Quickstatements batches were throwing a lot of errors - it looks like you're trying to run several simultaneously, but that won't work. There's a rate limit that, if you edit more times per minute than the limit, will cause errors for a while. You need to limit it to 1 batch at a time. You can review the batches that have already run and retry the statements with errors. [[User:ArthurPSmith|ArthurPSmith]] ([[User talk:ArthurPSmith|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:38, 20 April 2019 (UTC) : Thanks for the remark. I tried the batch processing for the first time and guessed, it will process one batch after another. But this did not happen. My first try was to put everything (200k and more edits) into one batch, but this did not work, too. So I will see, what will be the final result, and probably a lot of the batches I need to rerun. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:51, 20 April 2019 (UTC) == Query service lag == Hey (again!), we're again experiencing some [https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/000000489/wikidata-query-service?panelId=8&fullscreen&orgId=1&from=now-3h&to=now lag] on the query service. It would help a lot if you would pause your batches for a few hours to give it some time to catch up. Thank you. :) [[User:Sjoerddebruin|<font color="#325186">'''Sjoerd de Bruin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sjoerddebruin|<font color="#325186">(talk)</font>]] 15:28, 24 April 2019 (UTC) : I stopped my two batches - I'm not in hurry. Best [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:52, 24 April 2019 (UTC) ::Thanks, I have the feeling that we are almost there! [[User:Sjoerddebruin|<font color="#325186">'''Sjoerd de Bruin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sjoerddebruin|<font color="#325186">(talk)</font>]] 15:55, 24 April 2019 (UTC) == Q27824764 == Hi, It seems that something went wrong on {{Q|27824764}}. Could you take a look? Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:51, 5 May 2019 (UTC) : Thanks for the remark, best [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:48, 5 May 2019 (UTC) == Q27679670, Q27679664, Q27789664 == These three items must describe the same person, 簡瑞珠 in chinese.→→ [[User:Terry850324|某幻]] <small>([[User_talk:Terry850324|留言給我]])</small> 03:53, 25 May 2019 (UTC) == Q1640687, Q27679672 == And these two must the same, too.→→ [[User:Terry850324|某幻]] <small>([[User_talk:Terry850324|留言給我]])</small> 04:10, 25 May 2019 (UTC) [[Q27679671]] and [[Q27679655]] are same, too.→→ [[User:Terry850324|某幻]] <small>([[User_talk:Terry850324|留言給我]])</small> 04:31, 25 May 2019 (UTC) [[Q27679674]] and [[Q27679668]] are same.→→ [[User:Terry850324|某幻]] <small>([[User_talk:Terry850324|留言給我]])</small> 04:33, 25 May 2019 (UTC) : Thank you very much, I corrected all these items. If you know also some news or links about the Taiwanese badminton nationals since 1970 that would be great, see [[:de:Taiwanische Badmintonmeisterschaft]]. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:51, 25 May 2019 (UTC) ::Thanks for help. Actually, I got a dissertation from Internet: [https://hdl.handle.net/11296/5w7xxj A Study on the Development of Badminton in Taiwan (1945-2000)] by a National Taitung University's student. They used to upload the document on their college's website, but now only left a webarchive on wayback machine [https://web.archive.org/web/20190512032125/http://elib.lib.nttu.edu.tw/theses/Full_Text/ntttc/DSC/93/NTC93-008-5267-N061.pdf]. ::From page 112 to 120 are talking about Taiwan National Badminton Open and the list of winners. I compared with article [[:de:Taiwanische Badmintonmeisterschaft]] to confirm those wikidata what I had corrected yesterday (And some young players just because I know their name). ::In addition, Taiwan National Badminton Open is no longer held, but cannot sure the ending time. →→ [[User:Terry850324|某幻]] <small>([[User_talk:Terry850324|留言給我]])</small> 09:44, 27 May 2019 (UTC) : Thanks a lot for this very useful link. I added everything to [[:de:Taiwanische Badmintonmeisterschaft]] and need some help there to find the correct translation for all the names in brackets. Some more questions about the pdf-file: On the mentioned pages, what is listed in the tables in column 5 (男乙單打冠軍) and 6 (男乙雙打冠軍). Can I find in the file also results of other Taiwanese championships like teams or juniors? Best regards [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:59, 12 June 2019 (UTC) :::I can't find their official English name, so I use [[:de:Wade-Giles]] system, which Taiwan use more often to correct all of them. And in Taiwan, we use "Lee" more than "Li" in case of surname. Please take a look again, thanks. :::Taiwanese players are classified into two levels by Chinese Taipei Badminton Association, we call "甲組" & "乙組" which means like "Level A" & "Level B". Everyone can be a level B player. Someone get top in level B event will get qualification of level A. So, "男乙單打冠軍" and "男乙雙打冠軍" means "Men's single winner in Level B" and "Men's double winner in Level B". A player will have opportunity to compete in important international event like Sudirman cup, Thomas cup, world championship, etc. if he get well result in level A event. There was not enough women player in early years, so Women's single and Women's double event didn't hold in the past. :::More information about Taiwanese Badminton Championship. This event is no longer held, and I can't find any information about which year it ended, maybe 2003 to 2005. Nowadays, only [[Q10876320|Taiwanese Badminton Rankings]] leaves. :::Sorry for my poor English, I have typed this message for a while. →→ [[User:Terry850324|某幻]] <small>([[User_talk:Terry850324|留言給我]])</small> 15:34, 14 June 2019 (UTC) ::::I get a old news archive [http://catalog.digitalarchives.tw/item/00/5a/65/a6.html]. In the lower right, it mentions that Liu Hsiu-Ying was defeated by Li Lingwei with 8-11, 1-11 in 1985 All England. It's same as what [[:de:All England 1985]] has described. So I can confirm that "Liu Hsiu-Ying" and "Sherry Liu" are the same. ::::On page 206 in [https://hdl.handle.net/11296/5w7xxj A Study on the Development of Badminton in Taiwan (1945-2000)], mentions Liao Kun-Fu and Liu Hon Jai had gotten winner and runner-up of Swiss Open 1979. (see red block in pic [https://i.imgur.com/UjESEaS.png]) ::::About [[:de:Badminton-Weltmeisterschaft 1980/Herrendoppel]], I can't get any more information, sorry. Translation of "曾學智" must be "Tseng Hsueh-Chih". →→ [[User:Terry850324|某幻]] <small>([[User_talk:Terry850324|留言給我]])</small> 09:59, 15 June 2019 (UTC) == Import error, but can't determine correct value == I was running [https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%0AWHERE%20%0A%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP710%20%3Fanimal.%0A%20%20%3Fanimal%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ16521.%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%7D this query] when I noticed a {{Q|Q63245819}} in the results, due to the claim {{P|P710}} {{Q|Q6324841}}. I think it's fair to say that an "uncommon Asian species of trees" wasn't playing but that might very well be in the place of an actual participant. I can't find the page on German Wikipedia from which that claim was imported, nor can I find that information in the source given on [[w:de:Slowenische Badmintonmeisterschaft]]. From where did you pull that data? —[[User:Vahurzpu|Vahurzpu]] ([[User talk:Vahurzpu|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:12, 23 June 2019 (UTC) : Thanks for the comment, there is missing a "1" at the end - Q63248411 instead Q6324841 must be used. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:04, 23 June 2019 (UTC) == re subclass relations == Hey Florentyna, I am referring to [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Florentyna&oldid=969035511#subclass_of:_badminton_tournament this discussion] and my suggestion to fix the {{P|P279}}: {{Q|Q13357858}} problem in many items with {{P|P5008}} claims, in order to make those items easily accessible for you. You did not answer in that discussion and archived it instead, and I lost track a bit due to holidays and some other tasks with waited for attention as well. So, what do you think about it? Regards, [[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:38, 3 August 2019 (UTC) : A long discussion and long ago. Is it possible for you really short to summarize what was/is the problem and what is your solution? --[[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:45, 3 August 2019 (UTC) ::The problem is that {{P|P279}}: {{Q|Q13357858}} claims are plain wrong in lots of items (order of 25.000 before you started your recent imports). You stated that you use these claims to access and manage tournament items and to work on them. In order not to break your workflow (too much), I thus suggested to remove the wrong claim, and to add another one with property {{P|P5008}} which is explicitly for accessibility only. I offer to make all changes in items, and to help you with queries in case you have difficulties to adapt to the new situation. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:53, 3 August 2019 (UTC) ::: Means, you want to replace Q13357858 (all of them?) by another property (which one?). All of Q13357858 replacing by one and the same new/other property? Wouldn't is be easier, to sort Q13357858 in another way into the system? --[[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:59, 3 August 2019 (UTC) ::::Well, that would be a re-definition of {{Q|Q13357858}} which is not allowed, and we would have to repair all uses of that item which are actually correct. I would thus remove {{P|P279}}: {{Q|Q13357858}} from all items where it is wrong, and add {{P|P5008}}: {{Q|Q66098665}} instead. There will be some items (order of 1000, I'd estimate) which will have both statements, as the {{P|P279}}: {{Q|Q13357858}} is not wrong in all cases. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:26, 3 August 2019 (UTC) ::::: Give me please an example, where Q13357858 is correct and will remain, and where it is not correct. And make the changes, even if the most useful statement after badminton itself then disappears. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:53, 3 August 2019 (UTC) ::::::Roughly [//query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fitem%20%3Flabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP279%20wd%3AQ13357858%20.%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Flabel%20.%0A%20%20FILTER%28LANG%28%3Flabel%29%20%3D%20%27en%27%29%20.%0A%20%20FILTER%28CONTAINS%28%3Flabel%2C%20%27%20%E2%80%93%20%27%29%20%3D%20false%29%20.%0A%20%20FILTER%28REGEX%28%3Flabel%2C%20%27%5C%5Cd%5C%5Cd%5C%5Cd%5C%5Cd%27%29%20%3D%20false%29%20.%0A%7D these items] will continue to have the {{P|P279}}: {{Q|Q13357858}} statement. To name some of them explicitly: {{Q|Q783023}}, {{Q|Q799330}}, {{Q|Q1282002}}, and {{Q|Q2205028}} are all fine. On the other hand, roughly [https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fitem%20%3Flabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP279%20wd%3AQ13357858%20.%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Flabel%20.%0A%20%20FILTER%28LANG%28%3Flabel%29%20%3D%20%27en%27%29%20.%0A%20%20FILTER%28CONTAINS%28%3Flabel%2C%20%27%20%E2%80%93%20%27%29%7C%7CREGEX%28%3Flabel%2C%20%27%5C%5Cd%5C%5Cd%5C%5Cd%5C%5Cd%27%29%29%20.%0A%7D these ones] (57k) need to be fixed. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:07, 3 August 2019 (UTC) I am going to start this evening and plan to edit a first batch over the night. Probably with the flooder flag, so that you should be able to somewhat hide my edits from your watchlist. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:40, 3 August 2019 (UTC) : Do you have something like a concept, what are the future subclasses? From the last queries it looks for me like the structure is similar like the the structure of the instance of the tournaments (means: no advantage because both is nearly the same?). [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:54, 3 August 2019 (UTC) ::There won't be {{P|P279}} statements in most of the items any longer, as they do not describe classes. There will be: ::# '''badminton tournament classes''', such as {{Q|Q799469}}; key statement is {{P|P279}}: {{Q|Q13357858}} (i.e. those ones will remain unchanged; ~1000 items) ::# '''badminton tournament instances''', such as {{Q|Q29051786}}; key statement is {{P|P31}} with a value which itself subclasses {{Q|Q13357858}} (i.e. these items do not subclass {{Q|Q13357858}} directly, but the value of the {{P|P31}} claim does; ~12000 items) ::# '''badminton event instances''', such as {{Q|Q55510819}}; key statement to identify those is {{P|P31}}: {{Q|Q57733494}}; ; ~46000 items. ::Currently all items of these three types have {{P|P279}}: {{Q|Q13357858}} statements, any only the first type will continue to have them. However, items of all three types will have the new {{P|P5008}}: {{Q|Q66098665}} statement, which does not have any further meaning than just tagging all items you want to access regularly. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:47, 3 August 2019 (UTC) ::: You already started. I would suggest not to use the focus on property. It is a non-encyclopaedic statement and if everybody will start to use such pseudo-categorization, there will be the same chaos here like in most of the other Wikis and the respective categories. I by myself probably also will not change my local database with yet another statement. By the way, Q17566259 is still unlinked. When I started here, there were used Q13357858 and Q1756625 as statement for the same thing, Q13357858 a little bit more often so it was used for all items. --[[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:32, 4 August 2019 (UTC) ::::Uhm, couldn't you have raised your concerns about {{P|P5008}} a little earlier? We have discussed it in June, and yesterday again. I stopped for now, but will continue in some way with or without P5008 rather soon.<br>The alternative is to just remove the {{P|P279}}: {{Q|Q13357858}} without any alternative. However, in the very beginning of the discussion last October, you claimed that "For me, there must be an easy way (an really easy way like now) to find back these tournaments." [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Florentyna&diff=769278889&oldid=769257037]. This is why I deliberately offer an alternative here, and the way you are talking about your efforts indicate that you need a simple pseudo-categorization such as {{P|P5008}} to manage items of different types.<br>I merged {{Q|Q17566259}} once again into {{Q|Q13357858}}, as you did already once in the past. They are indeed about the same concept. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:19, 4 August 2019 (UTC) ::::: I needed some sleep about that and could long not understand what you want with this focus on thing (because on the page there badminton is not mentioned at all). The general problem will be, that I cannot find in the future a badminton tournament so easy like before. In comparison I can very easy find a badminton player. So for me it looks that something is still wrong in the statement section. The Q17566259 I brought up for the case, if a general replacement should be needed, or an additional statement will be introduced. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:43, 4 August 2019 (UTC) ::::::So let me ask directly: if you want to find a badminton tournament item, how do you search for it currently, and how is the {{P|P279}} relation involved there?<br>The {{Q|Q17566259}} issue is completely independent of the problem here, and this item will not help us to fix anything related to the discussed problem. A merge was necessary indeed, but that's it. —[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:50, 4 August 2019 (UTC) The Q17566259 I brought on the table, because you told that Q13357858 is too much in use, so my thinking was to start with Q17566259, because it is linked to nothing and can be used complementary. P279 is used for instance on the maintenance pages like [[Wikidata:WikiProject_Badminton/Items]] or [[Wikidata:WikiProject Badminton/Location]] and off course in my private makros and databases, what are the base for the edits here (the "focus on" would replace the functionality, but would also appear on pages like reasonator etc - what is not good. What I am not sure is, if a change in P279 also affects templates in some languages. I know, that Wikidata is used here ([[:ca:Özge_Bayrak]]) for instance, but I do not know, if other templares exist. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:12, 4 August 2019 (UTC) :* We cannot re-define Q17566259 either, just as we cannot re-define Q13357858 itself. Re-defining items is in general a highly undesirable process which is usually reverted if it surfaces somewhere; unused items like Q17566259 are either merged into a duplicate if one is existing as in this case, or deleted otherwise. :* Updating queries and Listeria input is of course something I plan to do as well. Searching for necessary replacements in Wikidata is fairly simple; for use in other projects, have a look at [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q13357858&action=info], section "Page properties", and click on the linked projects. There is considerable use at Commons, but just because the generic Commons infobox displays the wrong P279 claims on plenty of pages. That use will disappear by itself, but not break the infobox. cawiki apparently makes no use of these statements. :* What I cannot change is of course your local databases and macros. Yet I strongly suggest that you'll have a look at that place, as there will otherwise be trouble again in the future. As you've seen in June, there were other users as well aware of the problem (originally at the wikidata-l mailing list). :* We have quite some auxiliary data here, P5008 is only one of those examples. Data users can simply ignore it if they do not want to make use of it. If it appears in Reasonator… well, so be it. It does not harm there. :* Some more search help: :** In SPARQL, you used to query for <code>?item wdt:P279 wd:Q13357858</code>. If we continue with P5008, you can simply replace it with <code>?item wdt:P5008 wd:Q66098665</code> if you want everything related to tournaments. :** The standard onwiki search can be helpful as well; imagine searching for items related to "danish championships" (in Badminton), you used to search for [//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?sort=relevance&search=danish+championships+haswbstatement%3AP279%3DQ13357858&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%7D&ns0=1&ns120=1 danish championships haswbstatement:P279=Q13357858], and that will become [//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?sort=relevance&search=danish+championships+haswbstatement%3AP5008%3DQ66098665&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%7D&ns0=1&ns120=1 danish championships haswbstatement:P5008=Q66098665]. :—[[User:MisterSynergy|MisterSynergy]] ([[User talk:MisterSynergy|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:43, 4 August 2019 (UTC) == Community Insights Survey == <div class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr"> '''Share your experience in this survey''' Hi {{PAGENAME}}, The Wikimedia Foundation is asking for your feedback in a survey about your experience with {{SITENAME}} and Wikimedia. 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I've seen this [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AEntityPage%2FQ67206665&curid=66803275&diff=1011358352&oldid=1011358273 edition] and I want to know if there is some kind of model to follow in this type of competitions, because I usually edit in the leagues of various sports and in "instance of" I put "sports league", not the league to which it belongs. Greetings and thanks. --[[User:Vanbasten 23|Vanbasten 23]] ([[User talk:Vanbasten 23|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:47, 11 September 2019 (UTC) : Right now I still need it in this form for current additions and maintenance like in [[:Category:WikiProject Badminton]] or tasks on [[:User:Florentyna]]. When I finished with all, everything can be changed. Or reverted. Or deleted. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:54, 11 September 2019 (UTC) :But, for me [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AEntityPage%2FQ67206715&curid=66803326&diff=1014011741&oldid=1011378836 this kind] of edition are wrong. ¿Why do you use Q18608583? --[[User:Vanbasten 23|Vanbasten 23]] ([[User talk:Vanbasten 23|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:21, 15 September 2019 (UTC) :: I think one can use both. I will readd sports season in parallel. Often I need recurring event for maintenance, because I have no maintenance queries with sports season. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:01, 16 September 2019 (UTC) ::: You don't have queries, and that's why you're editing badly on Wikidata? The league is a recurring event, so you have to put sports league. And then you change your queries, but that's why you're not going to do everything wrong. Ask for help with the queries but don't leave it wrong, please. :::: Do you know, what is very interesting for me? It is the second time during a long editing history with a lot of edits, that somebody approaches me somehow aggressive and both times the guys were eswiki related (I hope it is not the common tone there). But at the end we are here to improve Wikipedia, with different people using different ways, methods or tools. I think we can finish our discussion here and start having fun with editing Wikpedia again. Best regards [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:37, 16 September 2019 (UTC) :::::Sorry, but to modify my edits to adapt the result to your queries seems to me more aggressive than writing to the user's discussion to know the reasons. Something that I have done and you have not deigned to do a ping for me to find out. I'm sorry, but your interests don't matter, neither do mine. You have to edit as the community has decided and not as you think. --[[User:Vanbasten 23|Vanbasten 23]] ([[User talk:Vanbasten 23|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:44, 16 September 2019 (UTC) ::::::On aggressiveness and eswiki, it will be because it is not our language, but I am really very kind ;) I'm sorry if I ever expressed myself wrongly, I didn't mean to. The problem here is that you are putting different information to the rest of sports. I usually edit on all the sports leagues in Spain, and the only case that is getting different is in badmiton. If you want, I can help you with the querys, but we can not go against the rest of sports. Here are some examples: {{q|Q55189135}}, {{q|Q61686471}} or {{q|Q66812853}}. Take care. --[[User:Vanbasten 23|Vanbasten 23]] ([[User talk:Vanbasten 23|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:21, 16 September 2019 (UTC) ::::::: No problem, everything is fine. I don't know if your bot can help in some cases for badminton. References were a a big task during my last 100.000 edits. Another task comprises of the automated import of external IDs - here especially Babelnet. I did not found a way yet, to add these Babelnet IDs P2581 from the Babelnet page to the Wikidata item, even if the Wikidata item is listed there with the Wikidata ID. --[[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:36, 16 September 2019 (UTC) :::::::: If you give me an example, I can see if I can program it. --[[User:Vanbasten 23|Vanbasten 23]] ([[User talk:Vanbasten 23|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:01, 17 September 2019 (UTC) == Reminder: Community Insights Survey == <div class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr"> '''Share your experience in this survey''' Hi {{PAGENAME}}, A couple of weeks ago, we invited you to take the Community Insights Survey. It is the Wikimedia Foundation’s annual survey of our global communities. We want to learn how well we support your work on wiki. We are 10% towards our goal for participation. If you have not already taken the survey, you can help us reach our goal! '''Your voice matters to us.''' Please take 15 to 25 minutes to '''[https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_0pSrrkJAKVRXPpj?Target=CI2019List(wikidata,act5) give your feedback through this survey]'''. It is available in various languages. This survey is hosted by a third-party and [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Insights_2019_Survey_Privacy_Statement governed by this privacy statement] (in English). Find [[m:Community Insights/Frequent questions|more information about this project]]. [mailto:surveys@wikimedia.org Email us] if you have any questions, or if you don't want to receive future messages about taking this survey. Sincerely, </div> [[User:RMaung (WMF)|RMaung (WMF)]] 19:54, 20 September 2019 (UTC)  == merge == Hi Florentyna, i just made a mistake by creating an item that already exist. Could you help me to merge this item Q72533978 and Q27817608. Thank you --[[User:Stvbastian|Stvbastian]] ([[User talk:Stvbastian|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:25, 27 October 2019 (UTC) : No problem, done. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:29, 27 October 2019 (UTC) :: another merge. Q27893295 and Q27869788 . per tournament participation with Haideé Ojeda. Thank you --[[User:Stvbastian|Stvbastian]] ([[User talk:Stvbastian|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:19, 30 October 2019 (UTC) ::: Hi Florentyna, please help merge this item Q114369685 and Q63323115. Thanks [[User:Stvbastian|Stvbastian]] ([[User talk:Stvbastian|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC) == Hello == Hello Florentyna, I saw you reverted my editions in Q131499 and Q2895813 but these 2 pages are the same, can you please merge the two? Kind regards : Hi [[User:JozeSlb|JozeSlb]], one item is about football only, one about the multi-sports club. So, if in the language version of the article is something written about more sports than soccer, the item will be Q2895813, for soccer only Q131499. In the French version of Wikipedia for instance you have both versions: [[:fr:Benfica Lisbonne]] and [[:fr:Benfica Lisbonne (omnisports)]]. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:35, 14 November 2019 (UTC) Hi Florentyna, in most wikis SL Benfica only have one article both for multi-sports club and for the football team, as you can see if you see the articles from the two items. SInce the articles from the two items are basically the same (direct translations, as you can see in the wiki pt and en, one in one item and one in another), it makes no sence to have 2 item so all articles should me merged in the item about the multi-sports club (with the exception of the wikis that have 2 articles). Kind regards, [[User:JozeSlb|JozeSlb]] ([[User talk:JozeSlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:33, 15 November 2019 (UTC) : If you agree, I would copy this discussion to [[:Wikidata:Project_chat]], or you restart this discussion there by yourself to get consensus in the community. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:55, 15 November 2019 (UTC) Of course, can you do it please? [[User:JozeSlb|JozeSlb]] ([[User talk:JozeSlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:36, 16 November 2019 (UTC) == Adding (wrong) VIAF ids == Hi, Florentyna: thx a lot for your corrections. My jobs are adding a lot of VIAF ids, and unfortunately they also import (a very small number of) VIAF errors. Full quality of their clusterization process can be ensured only recurring to human eyes. I hope that (your) corrections of Wikidata items could reach or could be sent to VIAF, to help them correct their ambiguous clusters. Ciao. --[[User:Bargioni|Bargioni]] ([[User talk:Bargioni|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:09, 16 November 2019 (UTC) : No problem. You are adding only things artificial intelligence allows. And VIAF is very incorrect as a basis for Wikidata statements. They collecting simply everything and put it into one ID - what is often wrong. I follow only items with statement sport=badminton (P641=Q7291). Normally, there will be on Wikidata for badminton humans alredy the statement occupation=non-fiction writer (P106=Q15980158), so one can easily identify that a VIAF must exist. So if you add an ID for a badminton person not yet known as author, I look at this person very carefully. Some people already tried to add similar IDs, see history of Q1597184. So what we can do? If something is wrongly added here, we should create a new Wikidata item with the property from VIAF (or assign the property correctly to an existing Wikidata item) (similar like I did it for Q1597184, now Q42297159). Often other databases are using our assignments for their databases. And when we are wrong, we supporting these wrong assignments - and importing it back to our database. --[[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:01, 17 November 2019 (UTC) :: At the moment it is really getting wrong - some people where it is not known anything about are added. Q27914211, Q27914189, Q27914458. This is real non-sonse. Please, do not add this. The algorithm on VIAF is bullshit (sorry). [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:54, 17 November 2019 (UTC) {{ping|Florentyna}} please add whatever errors you find to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VIAF/errors (make a new section at the bottom). Then we'll submit to the email indicated in the last section "Status". I'll do the same for the Worldcat Identities errors that you and others have reported. * Please quantify "often" and "really wrong": in my experience VIAF quality is very high. Any resource of that size (55M entries, of them 35M people) is bound some errors, but the fact is that VIAF is a crucially important resource in global authority control. Eg for Worldcat Identities I imported 1.5M IDs, got 200 "thank you" and maybe 20-30 reverts (all of which I will collect). That's an excellently low error rate --[[User:Vladimir Alexiev|Vladimir Alexiev]] ([[User talk:Vladimir Alexiev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:55, 25 March 2020 (UTC) == ADAGP-identifiers == Hi Florentyna, Thank you for you corrections and patience. I batch uploaded ADAGP copyright identification numbers for 200.000 persons based on the same year of birth and name, but especially for Chinese names that gave some mismatches. Coming days I plan to do an extra verification of the professions of the persons who have the identifier added. --[[User:Hannolans|Hannolans]] ([[User talk:Hannolans|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:41, 31 December 2019 (UTC) == Worldcat Identity == Hi Florentyna! About https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q65429637&diff=prev&oldid=1110501419 "This WorldCat entry is a collection of different people. This guy here only wrote one book". You don't dispute the VIAF ID, and the WorldCat entry is directly based on the VIAF ID. So our link to WorldCat is correct. What is incorrect are the extra books (as you say, the VIAF page shows his single book) but that's a problem of OCLC not WD. Hopefully OCLC will fix that WorldCat page some day; I still think the WorldCat link is useful. So I'll ask you to please accept my edit, but won't insist on it. Note: I've posted 1.7M such statements, and it'll take some months for them to trickle through QuickStatements. Then I'll search for missing statements and make another batch to add this much smaller number. At that time, I may reinsert this disputed statement, please don't be offended, and if you like revert it again. Cheers! --[[User:Vladimir Alexiev|Vladimir Alexiev]] ([[User talk:Vladimir Alexiev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:07, 6 February 2020 (UTC) : On VIAF I found only the one correct book for Mielke. But also VIAF is often incorrect. It was already tried once to use the data from there, but a high percentage of the data was really wrong and bad, see for instance the batch with this example [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q65927822&oldid=1057985175]. A lot of people and institutions rely on Wikidata, so I would prefer not to add incorrect data, or at least check the correctness before adding --[[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:40, 6 February 2020 (UTC) : {{ping|Florentyna}} I see one record there (is that two Hans-Peter Meyer improperly merged?) Please quantify "often incorrect", or more constructively, report the errors to VIAF as described above. I can assure you that a LOT more institutions rely on VIAF (all national libraries and pretty much most libraries in the world), so shunning VIAF to the side is not an option. Just for comparison, VIAF has 8-10x more person records than Wikidata --[[User:Vladimir Alexiev|Vladimir Alexiev]] ([[User talk:Vladimir Alexiev|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC) :: I really don't want to make the work for VIAF (even if we are doing this already by adding data here). For me it seems, that they are running a script where name and birth date are similar to the data here and adding these data then to VIAF (without any human interaction). And we reimporting the wrong data back. We should try to keep the data here as correct as possible, so nobody gets the chance to import from here wrong data. And the result on VIAF is often total nonsense. User Bargioni already tried to import all VIAFs - example:[https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?target=Bargioni&namespace=all&tagfilter=&start=2019-11-15&end=2019-11-15&limit=1000&title=Special%3AContributions]. I following only badminton, and there I reverted at least 50% of the VIAFs (if not 80%) for persons [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?target=Florentyna&namespace=all&tagfilter=&start=2019-11-15&end=2019-11-17&limit=1000&title=Special%3AContributions]. For institutions and geographical regions the VIAFs are not so bad, but for persons their script is very bad. There were added for instance VIAFs to badminton players Weiß, Turner, Minet (that is all, what is known about them, i.e. last name and some results and a guessed birth year) - and VIAF added IDs (and this way also publications to them). Crazy, wrong, bad. I only know a few badminton players who wrote a book (dissertation), so from the point of view of badminton the VIAF IDs are extremely unreliable. And I don't think, that a lot of libraries rely on VIAF. I think it is vice versa: VIAF imports everything from other databases, like from here, like from DNB. One has to send for instance every publication printed in Germany (as an official book, except diploma thesis) in two copies to the DNB. These data were published in the catalogues of the DNB - and who wonders, some time later the data appear on VIAF, too. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:03, 25 March 2020 (UTC) Q65927822 - Hans-Peter Meyer (East Germany, Greifswald) is a good example for the work of VIAF. I added the statement born circa 1927 to Wikidata (circa!!!). VIAF uses this for a guy Hans Meyer (also known as Hans-Peter Meyer) from the DNB who was born exactly 1927 and published in West Germany books about animals. But in normal cases it was not possible to go from East to West Germany. So there is only a very low probabilty that the persons are the same, but for VIAF this is no problem. We re-importing the data and then for them is everything fine and we have here unreliable data, too. So I suggest to check every VIAF entry manually. The data from there are based in a lot of cases on a logical construction of different databases without review. By the way: For me it seems, that also DNB unites different persons named Hans Meyer under one entry. The Meyer there switched according to DNB from animals and Vienna/Munich to juristical problems in 1973 in Berlin-West (Die Beteiligung des Bürgers an der Planung als Rechtsproblem). Can be, but sounds unlogical. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC) == {{Q|16859178}} == Hi. Can you please explain why you have removed the sourced entry I added to {{Q|16859178}}?[https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q16859178&type=revision&diff=1161027161&oldid=1160983099] If you dispute the entry then please use [[Help:deprecation|deprecation]], otherwise the entry will be readded either by me or another user later on. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:52, 19 April 2020 (UTC) : I looked into the book - I'm sure it is a typo. He will not own both names - Frier and Fuer. The ri is misreaded as u in the book. The birth registry should clarify that. And the second name should be added to ENWP - and discussed there. --[[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:07, 19 April 2020 (UTC) :: PS: I also don't think that Frier and Fuer are given names. Never heard. Frier as family in Denmark is okay. --[[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:15, 19 April 2020 (UTC) :::Here are additional sources for Samuel Fuer Vaughan. [https://library.bowdoin.edu/arch/mss/cvg-genealogy.pdf Descendants of William Vaughan (PDF)], [https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/hallowell/247/ Genealogy.com forum entry], [http://friendsoffranklin.org/docs/gaz/2_3_Fall1991.pdf Franklin Gazette Fall 1991 (PDF) - page 2, middle column, 7th line]. Just because you have never heard a particular name before from millenia of history and across hundreds of languages, doesn't mean the name doesn't exist. We should rely on source material, not gut reactions. I am going to restore the entry to the item. If you object to it and have reliable source material to dispute it, use the deprecation option. Regards. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:37, 19 April 2020 (UTC) All the sources are based one on the other. An entry from a census would be good (but also there it is sometimes hard to read). I guess, that neither Frier or Fuer will be the correct name, and maximal one of these names, but never both. But now Wikidata has two more general first names in its database, where one is at least wrong. From one guessed first name so in the meantime there are a couple of wrong data generated - this is my major concern. I hope you will follow this item in the future and make the necessary corrections. Sometimes on special occasions the whole census data are available for free, so one should have a look on the original data. --[[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:14, 19 April 2020 (UTC) :I created {{Q|91105369}} based on the Geni entry, which has since proved to be an erroneous record when compared to the other sources. I then looked for other Wikidata items that had Frier as a middle name and stumbled on {{Q|435114}}, which had a label that included Frier in the middle of the name but no record of it in the statements. I added it as a given name but you have since clarified that it should have been a second surname entry. That leaves {{Q|91105369}} as an orphan. In this case the entry should be retained as it exists in an external database; if we delete it, it will only be created later when another user refers to the same database. However, I will mark the entry as deprecated so it isn't used accidentally. If new people are identified that use the name as a given name, then we can remove the deprecation at that point. :For {{Q|91106017}} we have a number of published documents that make use of this name. Until evidence is provided to dispute the source material, the item should remain active. If sufficient source material is found to say the entry is wrong, we can depricate {{Q|91106017}} so it isn't used accidentally. However, again the entry should not be deleted as it exists in source material. We either keep it is as a valid item or we keep it as a deprecated item, so that editors don't recreate it later from referencing the same disputed source material. :One thing you may want to note is that many English speaking families have a tradition of converting the mother's {{Q|1376230}} into a {{P|735}} for their offspring. As an example, see {{Q|552191}} (Alfred Dudley Pickman Rogers Pound) who took some of his given names from his ancestors' family names; {{Q|32938413}} and {{Q|5311909}}. If anyone with the Danish surname {{Q|21452264}} married into an English family, it is possible that some of their descendants may have gained the given name {{Q|91105369}}. We can resolve that situation later, if it ever materialises, but I wanted to highlight that you shouldn't assume that a family name can never be a given name. [[User:From Hill To Shore|From Hill To Shore]] ([[User talk:From Hill To Shore|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:59, 19 April 2020 (UTC) == We sent you an e-mail == Hello {{PAGENAME}}, Really sorry for the inconvenience. This is a gentle note to request that you check your email. We sent you a message titled "The Community Insights survey is coming!". If you have questions, email surveys@wikimedia.org. You can [[:m:Special:Diff/20479077|see my explanation here]]. [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:45, 25 September 2020 (UTC)  == Norwegian "no" labels to removed/merged == Hello {{ping|Florentyna}} You undid the changes {{diff||1290343460||Q27906501}} and {{diff||1290271081||Q194654}} of my [[User:GeertivpBot]]. As per [[User_talk:Geertivp#Norwegian_labels]] the language code "no" must not be used in Wikidata, and and is to be moved/merged into "nb" (or "nn"). So I did, so please undo your changes. Note that the language code "no" is only used for '''Wikipedia'''. Actually it should be blocked system-wise on Wikidata. For info {{ping|Mahir256}} [[User:Geertivp|Geertivp]] ([[User talk:Geertivp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:01, 13 October 2020 (UTC) == 2019 Silicon Valley International Series == I think there is some problem need to check: Winner of 2019 Silicon Valley International Series record in [[Q65706135]] is different from [https://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/winners.aspx?id=0C82C4D3-16AB-47CA-83BC-CC6CDB2670B3 tournamentsoftware.com]. Are they the same? →→ [[User:Terry850324|某幻]] <small>([[User_talk:Terry850324|留言給我]])</small> 02:56, 15 October 2020 (UTC) : Yes, it is an error. A copy paste error, looks like all winners are wrongly pasted from 2019 Zambia International Badminton Championships. Must be corrected. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:40, 15 October 2020 (UTC) == Reliable references == Why you reverted all my editions in the last weeks? All the information I delated is because it was <u>not reliable referenced</u>. Did you really checked the references? In [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1655726 this case] there is not a referece that confirms he was born at Skive. So, where did you find he was born at Skive? [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1932078 This case], where did you find she was born in Odense? [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q182512 This case], where did you find she was born in Aarhus? [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q600429 This case], where did you find she was born in Rønne? To mark an afirmation as refenced in another wikipedia is not a reliable confirmation, you must indicate the web page you found the information. So, I wait at your answer. [[User:Leonprimer|Leonprimer]] ([[User talk:Leonprimer|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:59, 25 October 2020 (UTC) : First, it is very impressing how many articles you created in your Wikipedia in the last time, it remembers me my very active days here, when I created more than 1000 articles per year for dewiki. One of the problems you already identified is, that the sources in the very early days of Wikipedia were not so important, so often the sources were not mentioned during this time or deleted later on. Additionally, during the past 15 years a lot of the contributors to badminton had also personally contacts to a lot of the players, so they added this information to Wikipedia. One possibility for instance is to contact the players on Facebook about details of their life, what we did in the last decade a lot. Also, you can apply for a friendship with the players on facebook, what helps to get more data. Such, for Ib Frederiksen for instance you can find your deleted data on his facebook profile [https://www.facebook.com/ib.frederiksen.7]. In general, it is good to be skeptical to all data, but deleting is not really the best solution. If I remember right, you only in one or two cases published a different fact/date/place than before. I suggest to start a discussion on very page where you do not agree with places and dates, so everybody has the chance to contribute better sources - what helps Wikidata probably in the best way. --[[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:03, 25 October 2020 (UTC) == [[Sabuhi Huseynov]] == Hello mr.Florentyna! i hope you are okay.My name is Sabuhi, i am from Azerbaijan. and i see now my data and wikipedias, so please help me with this situation, i have to delete about my data and wikipedians. İ can contact with you with camera or Zoom, and with any app. for you make sure it is officaly me. You can make contact with me also. İ hope you understand me, and i hope have a nice days! Thank you --[[User:SabuhiHuseynov064|SabuhiHuseynov064]] ([[User talk:SabuhiHuseynov064|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:26, 6 May 2021 (UTC) : See also [[User talk:Blackariteam]]. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC) : İ sent it already with mail. so please chechk as soon as possible Mr. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] , and you can see also, i close all about my Social medias. So please remove them also. --[[User:SabuhiHuseynov064|SabuhiHuseynov064]] ([[User talk:SabuhiHuseynov064|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:18, 7 May 2021 (UTC) :: {{ping|SabuhiHuseynov064}} If you sent a mail to privacy@wikidata.org (as I suggested) then I will not see it. I'm just a volunteer here, not a WMF employee. Is you concern here with the publication of social media accounts like Facebook and Instagram? I see they are unreferenced, and so I think could reasonably be removed. This doesn't explain why you were removing other more public information like championships and player ids. I'm afraid I am not clear on what you are trying to achieve here. [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:56, 7 May 2021 (UTC) == zh/zh-hans/zh-hant/zh-cn/zh-my/zh-sg/zh-tw/zh-hk/zh-mo == You are changing a number of descriptions from Simplified Chinese to Traditional Chinese. However, as zh means Chinese in unspecified variant, your change is not meaningful. instead, you should add "羽毛球赛事" to descriptions in zh-hans/zh-cn/zh-my/zh-sg and "羽毛球賽事" to zh-hant/zh-tw/zh-hk/zh-mo.--[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:30, 18 June 2021 (UTC) : I am doing until now only descriptions changes for zh. Please try to add to Q13357858 the best zh statements for the term badminton competition, I will apply it to all ~80.000 badminton items afterwards. The reason for changing are the anonymous contributions of IP 14.0.236.122, where I approved dozens of changes. Please check these contributions for correctness. 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I’ll follow up with you to figure out what method is the best way for us to connect. Please contact me if you have any questions or require more information about this project. Thank you for considering taking part in this research. Regards [[User:Kholoudsaa|Kholoudsaa]] ([[User talk:Kholoudsaa|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:26, 17 July 2021 (UTC) : In general, yes I would participate, but already the first interview page was disappointing, i.e. email and username is wanted. This can be a last page, but not mandantory. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:25, 17 July 2021 (UTC) == Sources for badminton tournaments == Hi! I was looking at {{Q|Q27669842}}, and I noticed it had no references. Somewhat to my surprise, I was not able to find any independent references for this event. Presumably you're getting these data from somewhere. Could I ask you to please record the sources? Thanks, [[User:Bovlb|Bovlb]] ([[User talk:Bovlb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:42, 24 May 2022 (UTC) : Have a look here [https://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/winners.aspx?id=16BC5D75-8A6F-403B-B655-FFECF49D6C43]. --[[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:42, 31 May 2022 (UTC) == game vs. sporting event == Something may be lost in translation, but the English language item for a single match within a sporting event is {{Q|Q16510064}}. I am thinking of changing the English label to also be "game" or "match" because the article on Estonian Wikipedia and the article on the English item are about the same topic. --[[User:Middle river exports|Middle river exports]] ([[User talk:Middle river exports|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:49, 12 August 2022 (UTC) : Don't do this, sporting event is linked to thousands of items, which are not a game and not a match. Try to start a general discussion here for instance: [[Wikidata:Project chat]]. --[[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:55, 12 August 2022 (UTC) ::The changes you've made seem sufficient in clarifying this - if the item links don't reflect those labels, then there should be separate items. Thanks --[[User:Middle river exports|Middle river exports]] ([[User talk:Middle river exports|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:30, 12 August 2022 (UTC) == thank you for your contribution. == I got a notification you undo my contributions it's 'namu wiki's country is paraguay', but it's true. I left some sources. Thank you. sorry my short English. [[User:RedOmsk|RedOmsk]] ([[User talk:RedOmsk|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:00, 25 November 2022 (UTC) == Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom == Glasgow IS in the United Kingdom. Do you know geography? Please do not remove i.e. do not vandalise again! Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/5.179.178.89|5.179.178.89]] 20:50, 19 December 2022 (UTC) : I think there is no need to explain Glasgow, so Glasgow OR Scotland OR UK should be sufficient. And please no personal attacks. [[User:Florentyna|Florentyna]] ([[User talk:Florentyna|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:54, 19 December 2022 (UTC) :: Well, I inform you that it's plenty of pages where a city and a state are indicated at the same time and this isn't generally considered to be extravagant, especially if it's about a foreign country (a British city on it.Wikipedia, in this case). 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