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Perhaps a list of malls and shopping centers and the suburbs they're located in should be added to the "Sites of Interest" section. [[User:AManSac|AManSac]] 00:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC) :That is a BAD idea. Some novice tried to create "List of shopping mall" articles for every state in the Union and articles on every shopping mall in the country as well. The last time I checked, nearly all of those lists have been deleted through the Articles for deletion process because the vast majority of shopping malls are non-notable, and Wikipedia is not a random indiscriminate collection of information. See [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]]. --[[User:Coolcaesar|Coolcaesar]] 20:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC) ==Requested move == <div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"> :''The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. '' The result of the proposal was '''no consensus to support move'''. [[User:JPG-GR|JPG-GR]] ([[User talk:JPG-GR|talk]]) 05:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC) [[Los Angeles County, California]] → [[Los Angeles County]] — to be consistent with [[WP:COMMONNAME]], [[WP:UCN]], [[WP:D]], [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] and [[WP:PRECISION]]; '''Los Angeles County''' is more common name/usage and already redirects here; see above — [[User:Born2cycle|Born2cycle]] ([[User talk:Born2cycle|talk]]) 02:18, 27 November 2008 (UTC) ===Survey=== :''Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with'' <code><nowiki>*'''Support'''</nowiki></code> ''or'' <code><nowiki>*'''Oppose'''</nowiki></code>'', then sign your comment with'' <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>''. Since [[Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion|polling is not a substitute for discussion]], please explain your reasons, taking into account [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions|Wikipedia's naming conventions]].'' * *'''Oppose''' We just discussed this above. There's no good reason for this move. Give it a rest, already. [[Special:Contributions/Will_Beback| ·:· ]][[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] [[User talk:Will Beback|·:·]] 04:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC) :*Yes, the discussion above established there is no argument based on Wikipedia policy, guidelines and conventions to ''not'' move this article. If to be consistent with naming policy, guidelines and conventions -- which ''is'' the basis for this move request -- is not a good reason to rename an article, what is? --[[User:Born2cycle|Born2cycle]] ([[User talk:Born2cycle|talk]]) 07:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC) *'''Support'''. As requester. In addition to complying with stated polices and guidelines identified in the request, so the title of this article does not incorrectly imply that '''Los Angeles County''' needs disambiguation because there are other uses of that name. There aren't other uses, so the title should not be disambiguated. --[[User:Born2cycle|Born2cycle]] ([[User talk:Born2cycle|talk]]) 07:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC) <hr style="width:50%;"/> :<span style="color:#FF4F00;">'''Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.'''</span><br/><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- [[User:IRP|IRP]] [[User talk: IRP|☎]] 21:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC)</small> *'''Oppose'''. No problem here to solve. --[[User:Una Smith|Una Smith]] ([[User talk:Una Smith|talk]]) 00:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC) :*No problem? To be clear, is your position that inconsistency with naming conventions is not a problem that needs to be solved, are you saying that you don't believe the current name is inconsistent with naming conventions (if the latter, see my reply to Hmains just below)? Also, don't you agree that disambiguation of [[Los Angeles County]] (by adding ''', California''') wrongly implies that the name '''Los Angeles County''' conflicts with other uses of that name? If so, don't you also agree that a misleading implication like that, or the elimination of being able to know whether disambiguation implies other significant uses, is a problem? Thanks. --[[User:Born2cycle|Born2cycle]] ([[User talk:Born2cycle|talk]]) 17:14, 28 November 2008 (UTC) :::The current title is ''unambiguous'', accurate, and consistent with one common convention for article titles, so I see no problem here needing to be solved, hence no move needed. --[[User:Una Smith|Una Smith]] ([[User talk:Una Smith|talk]]) 17:47, 28 November 2008 (UTC) ::::Yes, the current title is ''unambiguous'' and accurate. But that's just as true for the proposed title, [[Los Angeles County]]. So on that score it's a wash. But you say the current title is consistent with "one common convention for article titles"? Which convention is that? Where is it documented? What about all the documented and long established conventions and guidelines with which the current title is inconsistent (again, see my reply to Hmains below), but with which the proposed titled is consistent? And again, don't you agree that the misleading implication of the current title that there are other significant uses of the name '''Los Angeles County''' is a problem? The upside to the move is these inconsistencies and misleading implications will be eliminated. What's the downside? --[[User:Born2cycle|Born2cycle]] ([[User talk:Born2cycle|talk]]) 18:01, 28 November 2008 (UTC) *'''oppose''' no good reason to make change; anything that can be done to help readers is of benefit; this and similar changes would do opposite. Also keep to be consistent with all its sister categories in [[:Category:California counties]]. [[User:Hmains|Hmains]] ([[User talk:Hmains|talk]]) 01:50, 28 November 2008 (UTC) :*I understand the impetus for being consistent with other California county articles, but isn't consistency with other articles in Wikipedia also important, arguably ''more'' important? Isn't that what naming conventions are for? [[WP:COMMONNAME]] says to use the most common name for the topic of an article. The most common name used to refer to this county is '''Los Angeles County''', so the current title is inconsistent with that. [[WP:PRECISION]] adds that we should be precise ''when necessary'' (not merely "when anything can be done to help readers"). In this case the additional precision provided by ''', California''' is ''unnecessary'' (just as it was in [[Los Angeles, California]] which has been thankfully and finally renamed [[Los Angeles]]), and so the current title is inconsistent with [[WP:PRECISION]]. [[WP:D]] ''defines'' disambiguation as ''the process of resolving conflicts in article titles that occur when a single term can be associated with more than one topic''. But the name '''Los Angeles County''' is associated with only one topic, the subject of this article, and so, ''by definition'', disambiguation should not apply here. Yet the title is disambiguated never-the-less. It is true that under the '''Naming the specific topic articles''' section of that guideline it says that for place names "the disambiguating term is a higher-level administrative division ... often separated using a comma", but again, that is for when disambiguation is needed. Don't you agree that being consistent with all these fundamental naming conventions and guidelines by which all other Wikipedia articles are named is a good reason to change the title of this article? Don't you agree that just because articles for other California counties are named incorrectly (except those that are disambiguated with ''', California''' because there really is a conflict for its name, presumably with a county of the same name in another state) is no excuse to perpetuate the same error here? Thanks. --[[User:Born2cycle|Born2cycle]] ([[User talk:Born2cycle|talk]]) 17:14, 28 November 2008 (UTC) ::There is no disambiguation at issue here. If disambiguation ''were'' at issue, then the proposed move would be a step backward. --[[User:Una Smith|Una Smith]] ([[User talk:Una Smith|talk]]) 21:54, 29 November 2008 (UTC) :::Exactly. There is no disambiguation issue here. So why is the current title disambiguated from the [[WP:UCN|most common name]] used to refer to the topic of this article? In other words, why is the title not disambiguated all the way to continent, [[Los Angeles County, California, United States of America, North America]]? Of course, that's rhetorical. The answer, is because it is ''unnecessary'' to dab all the way to continent. But what is the basis for disambiguating it at all? Why is it not at [[Los Angeles County]]? Isn't it ''equally unnecessary'' to dab even to state? So (this is not rhetorical), why is it ''unnecessarily'' (which is contrary to [[WP:PRECISION]]) dabbed to state? --[[User:Born2cycle|Born2cycle]] ([[User talk:Born2cycle|talk]]) 02:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC) *'''Oppose.''' I assume this was caused by the move of [[Los Angeles, California]] to [[Los Angeles]] and, while I wouldn't object to that move, I'd like to keep "Place, State" form a rule in US articles, not an exception. BTW, it ''is'' a guideline (see [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (settlements)]]). [[User:Admiral Norton|Admiral Norton]] <sup>([[User talk:Admiral Norton|talk]])</sup> 18:20, 28 November 2008 (UTC) :*That city-specific guideline, which continues to conflict with the overall guidelines for cities that are not on the AP list and do not require disambiguation, does not apply to county names. So I understand what you would like, but what you would like is inconsistent with the guidelines. But in the end, despite claims that Wikipedia is not a democracy, "might makes right" around here, so you'll probably have your way, judging by how the voting is going so far. --[[User:Born2cycle|Born2cycle]] ([[User talk:Born2cycle|talk]]) 18:58, 28 November 2008 (UTC) *'''Support.''' The move follows the Wikipedia-wide guidelines of [[WP:UCN]] and [[WP:COMMONNAME]], which ought to be good enough for the move. --[[User:Seav|seav]] ([[User talk:Seav|talk]]) 20:38, 29 November 2008 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' per above arguments. Cheers, [[User:Tillman|Pete Tillman]] ([[User talk:Tillman|talk]]) 01:21, 30 November 2008 (UTC) :*Have you not noticed that all the ''oppose'' arguments have not withstood even a modicum of questioning? --[[User:Born2cycle|Born2cycle]] ([[User talk:Born2cycle|talk]]) 02:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC) ===Discussion=== *'''Comment''' I don't think this qualifies for WP:COMMON, since it's sitting there already with a disambiguator. [[Special:Contributions/76.66.195.63|76.66.195.63]] ([[User talk:76.66.195.63|talk]]) 06:18, 27 November 2008 (UTC) :*Right, not WP:COMMON, but [[WP:COMMONNAME]] and [[WP:UCN]]: "use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things." [[Los Angeles County]], without any disambiguator, is that. --[[User:Born2cycle|Born2cycle]] ([[User talk:Born2cycle|talk]]) 07:51, 27 November 2008 (UTC) :''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.''</div> == Requested move 6 February 2024 == <div class="boilerplate mw-archivedtalk" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"> :''The following is a closed discussion of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.'' The result of the move request was: '''not moved'''. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:Jerium|Jerium]] ([[User talk:Jerium|talk]]) 20:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC) ---- [[:Los Angeles County, California]] → {{no redirect|Los Angeles County}} – Common name, no need for a state identifier [[Special:Contributions/83.168.137.1|83.168.137.1]] ([[User talk:83.168.137.1|talk]]) 19:07, 6 February 2024 (UTC) * '''Oppose'''. I believe articles on U.S. counties and parishes also fall under the [[WP:USPLACE]] guidelines: "Articles on counties and parishes themselves are typically titled {{xt|"X County, State"}} or {{xt|"X Parish, State"}}." Like as stated on [[WP:Perennial proposals#Remove state from US placenames]], appending the state is actually the preferred [[WP:COMMONNAME|common usage]] in American English for such areas, and it provides a [[WP:CONSISTENT|consistent titling convention]] across all articles on U.S. counties because a majority would require disambiguation anyway. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] ([[User talk:Zzyzx11|talk]]) 20:49, 6 February 2024 (UTC) :'''Oppose''' per [[WP:USPLACE]]. ''⸗ [[User:Antrotherkus|Antrotherkus]] <sup>❲ [[User talk:Antrotherkus|Talk to me!]] ❳</sup> ⸗'' 16:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC) :'''Oppose''' per [[WP:USPLACE]] and more confusing than helpful. <span style="border:1px solid;padding:2px 6px;font-arial">'''〜 [[User:Adflatuss|<span style="color:#3cb400">Adflatuss</span>]] • [[User talk:Adflatuss|<span style="color:#0066ff">talk</span>]]'''</span> 18:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC) <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: #FF0000;">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;" class=></div> == Populations 1790 to 1840 == The populations listed in the table from 1790 to 1840 are certainly wrong. Did these actually come from the US Census? If so, why did the US Census Bureau report populations before California was part of the USA? [[User:Kk.urban|Kk.urban]] ([[User talk:Kk.urban|talk]]) 18:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC) :The source cited is no longer active and doesn't seem to be usable in its archived form. I don't know how they'd have pre-1850 population figures or what those figures would even mean before LA County was established. The page [[Demographics of Los Angeles County]] doesn't include those dates in its Historical Population table anyway - I'll be [[WP:BOLD]] and delete them here. [[User:Erinius|Erinius]] ([[User talk:Erinius|talk]]) 15:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC) == Very serious problem with article == Where is the map showing the major settlements of Los Angeles County? It's very, very, very ridiculous and unencyclopedic that no such map exists in the current version of this article. Please fix this situation. [[Special:Contributions/98.123.38.211|98.123.38.211]] ([[User talk:98.123.38.211|talk]]) 00:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC) :Make the map yourself and "fix the situation". Wikipedia is a community effort, not a university publisher with a map-making department. It is what WE make of it. Rather than complain, get into cartography. 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