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class="username">ForestDragon</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2021-02-12T14:18:33+00:00">February 12th, 2021, 2:18 pm</time> </p> <div class="content">The Great Steppe is an era about the far-eastern lands of Irdya. There, on plains surrounded by forest from the north and desert from the south, burn the flames of a new war. Burned villages, captured prisoners, slave trade, betrayal - the era will demonstrate the brutal steppe wars in all their glory.<br> <br> At the moment there are 6 factions available: the Bull Tumen, the Serpent Kaganate, the Dead Field Coven, the Northern Knyaz Triumvirate, Ogre Kingdom and Tartarus mandate<br> <br> (poster was made when there were 5 factions) <div class="inline-attachment"> <dl class="thumbnail"> <dt><a href="./download/file.php?id=91643&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761&mode=view"><img src="./download/file.php?id=91643&t=1&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="postimage" alt="poster.png" title="poster.png (823.79 KiB) Viewed 24922 times" /></a></dt> </dl> </div> The Bull Tumen is a faction of ogre nomads who worship the terrible Bull God. Playing as this faction, you will control a horde of barbarians of the steppe, burn villages, capture prisoners, run over the enemy with giant chariots and summon the bloodthirsty spawn of the Bull God. The faction is very aggressive and strong at the beginning of the game, but loses its strength as the match drags on. <div class="inline-attachment"> <dl class="thumbnail"> <dt><a href="./download/file.php?id=89352&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761&mode=view"><img src="./download/file.php?id=89352&t=1&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="postimage" alt="screenshot_ogres_all.png" title="screenshot_ogres_all.png (1.5 MiB) Viewed 28126 times" /></a></dt> </dl> </div> The Serpent Kaganate is the southern faction of serpentheads and their subordinate peoples. Playing as this faction, you will command a diverse and flexible army consisting of members of different races; to win, you will have to keep the slaves and deserters under control, enslave the will of the enemy fighters and skillfully combine lawful and chaotic units. The faction is usually best at the middle stage of a match. <div class="inline-attachment"> <dl class="thumbnail"> <dt><a href="./download/file.php?id=89353&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761&mode=view"><img src="./download/file.php?id=89353&t=1&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="postimage" alt="screenshot_khaganate_all.png" title="screenshot_khaganate_all.png (1.62 MiB) Viewed 28126 times" /></a></dt> </dl> </div> The Dead Field Coven is a faction gathered by the fugitive witch-queen in the eastern lands of the Great Steppe. Playing as this faction, you will control a sinister army of fugitive witches, demons, half-blood kanavars and the ancient horrors of the steppe in the form of primitive beasts possessed by the spirits, ghost wolves woven from fear, and skeletal nomads. You have to support and breed the new race of nomad half-demons and gradually accumulate your power. The faction is weak at the initial stage of the game, but strong in a long game, when it is possible to gather several generations of kanavars and sweep away the enemy army with a horde of half-breeds led by the demons themselves. <div class="inline-attachment"> <dl class="thumbnail"> <dt><a href="./download/file.php?id=91626&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761&mode=view"><img src="./download/file.php?id=91626&t=1&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="postimage" alt="coven_all.png" title="coven_all.png (773.89 KiB) Viewed 24936 times" /></a></dt> </dl> </div> The Northern Knyaz Triumvirate is a faction of the people of the north. The three knyazdoms entered into an alliance to fight back the evil that is approaching from the steppe. Playing as the triumvirate, you will command a diverse and flexible army. Your units will be able to build fortifications, improve armor and inspire allies to battle. Use the creative potential of the northerners to defeat the nomad armies! <div class="inline-attachment"> <dl class="thumbnail"> <dt><a href="./download/file.php?id=91628&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761&mode=view"><img src="./download/file.php?id=91628&t=1&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="postimage" alt="slavs_all.png" title="slavs_all.png (820.28 KiB) Viewed 24932 times" /></a></dt> </dl> </div> The Ogre Kingdom is a powerful feudal power located in the mountains west of the Steppes. Constant feuds and conflicts with neighbors has honed the siege skills of Ogres: at their disposal they have long-range Catapult Trolls, furious Stormtroopers, Fire Pigs, armored Knights and Monstrous Beavers from Bitter Swamps. Ogres’ army is unstoppable in a siege, but vulnerable in a maneuverable field battle. <div class="inline-attachment"> <dl class="thumbnail"> <dt><a href="./download/file.php?id=93352&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761&mode=view"><img src="./download/file.php?id=93352&t=1&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="postimage" alt="rework_all.png" title="rework_all.png (1.37 MiB) Viewed 23633 times" /></a></dt> </dl> </div> Features of the era:<br> <br> - Unique art drawn by Mechanical. No default sprites or franken-sprites from other eras!<br> - Sophisticated faction lore: all units and races have descriptions that reveal the world of the Great Steppe. (However, not everything has been translated from Russian into English yet)<br> - Unique playstyle for each faction. The factions in Great Steppe have a very specific playstyle that you wouldn't see in other eras.<br> - Many new features for weapons and units. Some of them (for example, pillage, enslave, finish off, or capture) have no analogues in other eras.<br> - Custom AI features, making the AI able to utilize the era's abilities reasonably well (WARNING: AI might freeze if you are using a version older than 1.14.17)<br> <br> Write your feedback here or in the discord server so we can make it better!<br> <br> Discord link to our server: <a href="https://discord.gg/GnD2HAMZt5" class="postlink">https://discord.gg/GnD2HAMZt5</a></div> <div class="notice"> Last edited by <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=136866&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="username">ForestDragon</a> on March 24th, 2024, 8:17 am, edited 29 times in total. </div> <div id="sig662647" class="signature">My active add-ons: <a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=53932" class="postlink">The Great Steppe Era</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=44979" class="postlink">XP Bank</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=47723&p=622127#p622127" class="postlink">Alliances Mod</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=669163#p669163" class="postlink">Pestilence</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=55714" class="postlink">GSE+EoMa</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=671413" class="postlink">Ogre Crusaders</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=680768" class="postlink">Battle Royale</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=57445" class="postlink">EoMaifier</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=57496" class="postlink">Steppeifier</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=687440" class="postlink">Hardcoreifier</a><br> My inactive add-ons (1.12): Tale of Alan, The Golden Age<br> Co-creator of <a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&p=611658#p611658" class="postlink">Era of Magic</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p662692" class="post has-profile bg1"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile662692"> <dt class="no-profile-rank has-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142553&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="avatar"><img class="avatar" src="./download/file.php?avatar=142553_1476135240.gif" width="100" height="100" alt="User avatar" /></a> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142553&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="username">The_Gnat</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=142553&sr=posts&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">2232</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> October 10th, 2016, 3:06 am</dd> <dd class="profile-contact"> <strong>Contact:</strong> <div class="dropdown-container dropdown-left"> <a href="#" class="dropdown-trigger" title="Contact The_Gnat"> <i class="icon fa-commenting-o fa-fw icon-lg" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Contact The_Gnat</span> </a> <div class="dropdown"> <div class="pointer"><div class="pointer-inner"></div></div> <div class="dropdown-contents contact-icons"> <div> <a href="http://www.nathansoftware.com/" title="Website" class="last-cell"> <span class="contact-icon phpbb_website-icon">Website</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> </div> </dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content662692"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662692&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662692">Re: [Alpha] The Great Steppe Era (1.14 add-on server)</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=662692&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=662692&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662692" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142553&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="username">The_Gnat</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2021-02-13T21:57:19+00:00">February 13th, 2021, 9:57 pm</time> </p> <div class="content">Looking fantastic! I can't wait to try it out! <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":D" title="Very Happy"></div> <div id="sig662692" class="signature"><em class="text-italics"><strong class="text-strong">Creator of: <a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=44698" class="postlink">The Reign of The Lords Era</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=44783" class="postlink">The Gnats Franken Dungeon</a>.</strong></em></div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p662693" class="post has-profile bg2"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile662693"> <dt class="no-profile-rank has-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=139980&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="avatar"><img class="avatar" src="./download/file.php?avatar=139980_1704975584.png" width="72" height="72" alt="User avatar" /></a> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=139980&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="username">Mechanical</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=139980&sr=posts&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">373</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> June 29th, 2015, 4:11 pm</dd> <dd class="profile-custom-field profile-phpbb_location"><strong>Location:</strong> Russia</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content662693"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662693&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662693">Re: [Alpha] The Great Steppe Era (1.14 add-on server)</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=662693&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=662693&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662693" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=139980&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="username">Mechanical</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2021-02-13T21:59:18+00:00">February 13th, 2021, 9:59 pm</time> </p> <div class="content"><blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=662692&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662692"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142553&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">The_Gnat</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662692&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662692" data-post-id="662692" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">February 13th, 2021, 9:57 pm</span></cite> Looking fantastic! I can't wait to try it out! <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":D" title="Very Happy"> </div></blockquote> You can try the era at any time! It is already available on the wesnoth addon server 1.14.</div> <div id="sig662693" class="signature"><a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=43222l" class="postlink">My art thread</a><br> If you want to communicate, find me in discord: orcsteve<br> Join the <a href="https://discord.gg/K9N56hqGTm" class="postlink">Wesnoth Modders Guild</a> community!</div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p662696" class="post has-profile bg1"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile662696"> <dt class="no-profile-rank has-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142553&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="avatar"><img class="avatar" src="./download/file.php?avatar=142553_1476135240.gif" width="100" height="100" alt="User avatar" /></a> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142553&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="username">The_Gnat</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=142553&sr=posts&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">2232</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> October 10th, 2016, 3:06 am</dd> <dd class="profile-contact"> <strong>Contact:</strong> <div class="dropdown-container dropdown-left"> <a href="#" class="dropdown-trigger" title="Contact The_Gnat"> <i class="icon fa-commenting-o fa-fw icon-lg" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Contact The_Gnat</span> </a> <div class="dropdown"> <div class="pointer"><div class="pointer-inner"></div></div> <div class="dropdown-contents contact-icons"> <div> <a href="http://www.nathansoftware.com/" title="Website" class="last-cell"> <span class="contact-icon phpbb_website-icon">Website</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> </div> </dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content662696"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662696&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662696">Re: [Alpha] The Great Steppe Era (1.14 add-on server)</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=662696&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=662696&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662696" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142553&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="username">The_Gnat</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2021-02-14T00:02:43+00:00">February 14th, 2021, 12:02 am</time> </p> <div class="content">Hi just tried it out!! Really loving the new units!<br> <br> Just quick notes/thoughts:<br> <br> - Love the banners and theme behind the factions<br> - When I took a village with the pillage ability the burning animation for the village was visible through the fog (see attached image) and over top/above the leader (so it looked like he was on fire)<br> - On that point as well I really like the new abilities! Night form, pillage, slave, (crush will! <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_cool.gif" width="15" height="15" alt="8)" title="Cool"> <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_cool.gif" width="15" height="15" alt="8)" title="Cool"> )<br> - I also really like the artwork and advancements, the factions feel very full and interesting<br> <br> Also out of curiosity (I dont quite understand the slave ability), if I attack a slave with a Gnoll or Serpentine (standing far away from any allies) will he join me?<br> <br> (also note that I played it on 1.15 and it worked without any issues <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":)" title="Smile"> excellent era)</div> <dl class="attachbox"> <dt> Attachments </dt> <dd> <dl class="file"> <dt class="attach-image"><img src="./download/file.php?id=89373&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="postimage" alt="Clipboard01.jpg" onclick="viewableArea(this);" /></dt> <dd>Clipboard01.jpg (6.14 KiB) Viewed 28027 times</dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div id="sig662696" class="signature"><em class="text-italics"><strong class="text-strong">Creator of: <a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=44698" class="postlink">The Reign of The Lords Era</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=44783" class="postlink">The Gnats Franken Dungeon</a>.</strong></em></div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p662702" class="post has-profile bg2"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile662702"> <dt class="no-profile-rank has-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=136866&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="avatar"><img class="avatar" src="./download/file.php?avatar=136866_1530016694.png" width="72" height="72" alt="User avatar" /></a> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=136866&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="username">ForestDragon</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=136866&sr=posts&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">1846</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> March 6th, 2014, 1:32 pm</dd> <dd class="profile-custom-field profile-phpbb_location"><strong>Location:</strong> Ukraine</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content662702"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662702&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662702">Re: [Alpha] The Great Steppe Era (1.14 add-on server)</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=662702&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=662702&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662702" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=136866&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="username">ForestDragon</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2021-02-14T06:36:20+00:00">February 14th, 2021, 6:36 am</time> </p> <div class="content"><blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=662696&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662696"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142553&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">The_Gnat</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662696&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662696" data-post-id="662696" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">February 14th, 2021, 12:02 am</span></cite> - When I took a village with the pillage ability the burning animation for the village was visible through the fog (see attached image) and over top/above the leader (so it looked like he was on fire)</div></blockquote>Unfortunately wesnoth doesn't really support animated non-halo images on tiles, so had to work with what I had. <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=662696&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662696"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142553&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">The_Gnat</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662696&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662696" data-post-id="662696" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">February 14th, 2021, 12:02 am</span></cite> Also out of curiosity (I dont quite understand the slave ability), if I attack a slave with a Gnoll or Serpentine (standing far away from any allies) will he join me?</div></blockquote>As of now, no. Slaves won't be freed when attacked by an enemy khaganate units (after all, they wouldn't get freedom either way, so it makes little sense for them to desert to the khaganate).<br> <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=662696&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662696"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142553&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">The_Gnat</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662696&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662696" data-post-id="662696" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">February 14th, 2021, 12:02 am</span></cite> (also note that I played it on 1.15 and it worked without any issues <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":)" title="Smile"> excellent era) </div></blockquote>Glad to hear that <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":)" title="Smile"></div> <div id="sig662702" class="signature">My active add-ons: <a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=53932" class="postlink">The Great Steppe Era</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=44979" class="postlink">XP Bank</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=47723&p=622127#p622127" class="postlink">Alliances Mod</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=669163#p669163" class="postlink">Pestilence</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=55714" class="postlink">GSE+EoMa</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=671413" class="postlink">Ogre Crusaders</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=680768" class="postlink">Battle Royale</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=57445" class="postlink">EoMaifier</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=57496" class="postlink">Steppeifier</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=687440" class="postlink">Hardcoreifier</a><br> My inactive add-ons (1.12): Tale of Alan, The Golden Age<br> Co-creator of <a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&p=611658#p611658" class="postlink">Era of Magic</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p662707" class="post has-profile bg1"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile662707"> <dt class="has-profile-rank has-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=108471&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="avatar"><img class="avatar" src="./download/file.php?avatar=108471_1629319183.png" width="100" height="100" alt="User avatar" /></a> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=108471&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" style="color: #0080FF;" class="username-coloured">inferno8</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-rank">Art Contributor</dd> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=108471&sr=posts&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">992</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> February 18th, 2008, 5:32 pm</dd> <dd class="profile-custom-field profile-phpbb_location"><strong>Location:</strong> The Abyss</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content662707"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662707&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662707">Re: [Alpha] The Great Steppe Era (1.14 add-on server)</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=662707&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=662707&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662707" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=108471&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" style="color: #0080FF;" class="username-coloured">inferno8</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2021-02-14T17:05:33+00:00">February 14th, 2021, 5:05 pm</time> </p> <div class="content">Hi, I played the add-on this morning and I like it <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":)" title="Smile"> It offers a slightly different gameplay in comparison to traditional BfW due to unique mechanics for both factions. I think these mechanics put strong emphasis on map control and formations.<br> <br> The ogres' faction is strictly assault-oriented, plundering and destroying villages - this presents players with a brand new tactical opportunities. Ogres need to push forward at all costs to acquire gold necessary to recruit new units. But they also utilize the capturing mechanics directly on a battlefield which is a great idea. <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":D" title="Very Happy"> Btw, I am not sure if the implementation of this is correct - the description says I should receive gold when a trapped unit is in cage for at least 2 turns, but I am not sure I did. I guess I'll have to take a closer look. <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_pensive.gif" width="17" height="16" alt=":hmm:" title="Pensive"><br> <br> The opposing faction consists of undead and their slaves, which is an interesting mix, but I feel they have a problem with disloyal units and aforementioned slaves trying to escape whenever an opportunity arises. This requires a very careful planning as well as correct unit positioning and often doesn't pay off, especially when facing an opponent with capture abilities. The Twilight Warrior as a leader is quite powerful, especially at night, which is good. I had to use more than 5 units to take him down, but I don't think he's OP. In fact I think this faction should be more though. The slaves are the weakest point of that faction. Maybe they should stay with 1hp, so they are not that useful as they are now, once they switch sides (in fact they are free additional assets for the enemy).<br> <br> Nevertheless I have a positive impression. The era offers a new tactical challenge, which in my opinion should be more balanced in the future. The abilities are very unique and entertaining. Playing them right can be tricky at times but all of this forces one to think ahead which is essential for a strategy game. And the graphics are gorgeous! <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":D" title="Very Happy"> These ogres should be part of default Wesnoth (in case the devs are planning to expand the universe in the future) - they all look very classic yet outstanding! Mechanical should be proud of them. 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I think these mechanics put strong emphasis on map control and formations.</div></blockquote>Glad you like it.<br> <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=662707&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662707"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=108471&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">inferno8</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662707&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662707" data-post-id="662707" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">February 14th, 2021, 5:05 pm</span></cite>Btw, I am not sure if the implementation of this is correct - the description says I should receive gold when a trapped unit is in cage for at least 2 turns, but I am not sure I did. I guess I'll have to take a closer look. <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_pensive.gif" width="17" height="16" alt=":hmm:" title="Pensive"></div></blockquote>The gold should be given when the unit is removed from the map. If the unit is still on the map, you won't get any gold. From your wording, it's hard to make any definitive conclusions <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_pensive.gif" width="17" height="16" alt=":hmm:" title="Pensive"> <br> <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=662707&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662707"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=108471&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">inferno8</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662707&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662707" data-post-id="662707" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">February 14th, 2021, 5:05 pm</span></cite>The opposing faction consists of undead and their slaves, which is an interesting mix, but I feel they have a problem with disloyal units and aforementioned slaves trying to escape whenever an opportunity arises. This requires a very careful planning as well as correct unit positioning and often doesn't pay off, especially when facing an opponent with capture abilities. The Twilight Warrior as a leader is quite powerful, especially at night, which is good. I had to use more than 5 units to take him down, but I don't think he's OP. In fact I think this faction should be more though. The slaves are the weakest point of that faction. Maybe they should stay with 1hp, so they are not that useful as they are now, once they switch sides (in fact they are free additional assets for the enemy).</div></blockquote>Hmmmmm, the khaganate being underpowered does seem to common among feedback for the era. We'll consider some balance changes for the next patch.<br> <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=662707&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662707"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=108471&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">inferno8</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662707&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662707" data-post-id="662707" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">February 14th, 2021, 5:05 pm</span></cite>Nevertheless I have a positive impression. The era offers a new tactical challenge, which in my opinion should be more balanced in the future. The abilities are very unique and entertaining. Playing them right can be tricky at times but all of this forces one to think ahead which is essential for a strategy game. And the graphics are gorgeous! <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":D" title="Very Happy"> These ogres should be part of default Wesnoth (in case the devs are planning to expand the universe in the future) - they all look very classic yet outstanding! Mechanical should be proud of them. Good job! <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":)" title="Smile"> </div></blockquote>Thanks! <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_smile2.gif" width="15" height="15" alt="^_^" title="Smile"></div> <div id="sig662708" class="signature">My active add-ons: <a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=53932" class="postlink">The Great Steppe Era</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=44979" class="postlink">XP Bank</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=47723&p=622127#p622127" class="postlink">Alliances Mod</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=669163#p669163" class="postlink">Pestilence</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=55714" class="postlink">GSE+EoMa</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=671413" class="postlink">Ogre Crusaders</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=680768" class="postlink">Battle Royale</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=57445" class="postlink">EoMaifier</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=57496" class="postlink">Steppeifier</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=687440" class="postlink">Hardcoreifier</a><br> My inactive add-ons (1.12): Tale of Alan, The Golden Age<br> Co-creator of <a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&p=611658#p611658" class="postlink">Era of Magic</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p662710" class="post has-profile bg1"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile662710"> <dt class="no-profile-rank has-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142450&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="avatar"><img class="avatar" src="./download/file.php?avatar=142450_1559554174.png" width="80" height="80" alt="User avatar" /></a> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142450&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" style="color: #CA8935;" class="username-coloured">Hejnewar</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=142450&sr=posts&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">333</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> September 17th, 2016, 11:01 am</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content662710"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662710&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662710">Re: [Alpha] The Great Steppe Era (1.14 add-on server)</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=662710&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=662710&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662710" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142450&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" style="color: #CA8935;" class="username-coloured">Hejnewar</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2021-02-14T20:54:09+00:00">February 14th, 2021, 8:54 pm</time> </p> <div class="content"><strong class="text-strong">Bull Tumen:</strong> <div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px"><div class="quotetitle" style="vertical-align:middle;display:inline-block"><strong>Spoiler:</strong> <input class="button1" style="font-size:0.8em" type="button" value="Show" onclick="if (this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display != '') { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display = ''; 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It should be easier for you guys to balance this era this way because units alone would rank this <strong class="text-strong">faction</strong> somewhere in top 10% of best balanced add-on factions (both in comparison to default and just considering internal consistency). </div></div> <strong class="text-strong">Serpent Khaganate:</strong> <div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px"><div class="quotetitle" style="vertical-align:middle;display:inline-block"><strong>Spoiler:</strong> <input class="button1" style="font-size:0.8em" type="button" value="Show" onclick="if (this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display != '') { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display = ''; this.value = 'Hide'; this.innerText = ''; } else { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display = 'none'; this.value = 'Show'; this.innerText = ''; }"></div><div class="quotecontent" style="display:none"> From strongest to weakes in my opinion:<br> <strong class="text-strong">Slave Spearman</strong><br> <strong class="text-strong">Slave Bowman</strong> - slaves are very fun, they are without a doubt most powerful standalone units in Khaganate, they require heavy playaround and thinking when and how many should be recruited, no upkeep is also pretty valuable, while playing well it should be possible to not lose any ever.<br> {Insert power gap here} <br> <strong class="text-strong">Nckelavee </strong>- great scout, just bit above strongest default scout.<br> <strong class="text-strong">Gnoll Bitter</strong> - here we have very interesting unit that can lose you the game and even with this its still pretty good unit. Disloyal is for me the least fun ability of this era, you cant play around it much and using Overseer to prevent it is just waste.<br> 1 - Here is average default era unit strength<br> <strong class="text-strong">Naga Overseer</strong> - ok unit, its not required to use but has very nice synergy with slaves.<br> <strong class="text-strong">Greyblade</strong> - too bad to play and disloyal, night form is bit better but still nowhere near worth it in my opinion. <br> <br> Out of ranking:<br> <strong class="text-strong">Serpenthead Tarhan</strong> - his body alone can be worth it, but ability is in my opinion too strong for L1 unit, unlike with Mancatcher there is not much counterplay to it, it just happens (no need to wait 2 enemy turns and no need to hold particular spot like with Mancatcher), also as with disloyal that its more saddening / angering for person that is hurt by this ability than its fun for person benefiting from it. (Also L3 has its melee attack name misspelled it should be "scepter".) <br> Edit: Yes I know that it gives them "slave" ability, still securing this slave is easy enough in my opinion, also because if you cant you will simply kill that unit. 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I have played two matches against the AI, one as the Bull Tumen and the Serpent Khaganate. It's been fun and I will probably play a few more to get a hang of these units.<br> <br> I think I have already mentioned this but I will say it again, I am amazed by the Grayblade's nightform/transform ability. 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Very interesting! Non static battlefield and non static sides. Seems to be perfectly playable and not at all alpha. I'd call it beta.<br> Played the serpent side on Ruined Passage map and just dove in without much study. Lost many slaves to being freed and it took a while before it sank in that villages were being permanently destroyed by the other side. After that I took care to garrison them. Was being driven back badly but after the serpenthead units started rolling out I started to rally and started to take over their units! In the end the computer ran out of gold it seems.<br> Definitely merits a longer game on a bigger map like the Dominus or Innanna map packs. They're 4p and 6p so I guess there'll be several mirror factions. Could they be played versus Default factions or were those excluded for a reason?</div> <div class="notice"> Last edited by <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180204&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="username">Atreides</a> on August 6th, 2021, 3:24 pm, edited 1 time in total. </div> <div id="sig662721" class="signature">-- <br> <a href="viewtopic.php?p=662182#p662182" class="postlink">Lonely Era</a> <a href="viewtopic.php?p=662897#p662897" class="postlink">Merry Christmas Campaign</a> <a href="viewtopic.php?p=663269#p663269" class="postlink">Red MP Maps</a> <a href="viewtopic.php?p=665210#p665210" class="postlink">Everfell</a> <a href="viewtopic.php?p=665296#p665296" class="postlink">Age of Trials</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p662724" class="post has-profile bg2"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile662724"> <dt class="no-profile-rank has-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142553&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="avatar"><img class="avatar" src="./download/file.php?avatar=142553_1476135240.gif" width="100" height="100" alt="User avatar" /></a> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142553&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="username">The_Gnat</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=142553&sr=posts&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">2232</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> October 10th, 2016, 3:06 am</dd> <dd class="profile-contact"> <strong>Contact:</strong> <div class="dropdown-container dropdown-left"> <a href="#" class="dropdown-trigger" title="Contact The_Gnat"> <i class="icon fa-commenting-o fa-fw icon-lg" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Contact The_Gnat</span> </a> <div class="dropdown"> <div class="pointer"><div class="pointer-inner"></div></div> <div class="dropdown-contents contact-icons"> <div> <a href="http://www.nathansoftware.com/" title="Website" class="last-cell"> <span class="contact-icon phpbb_website-icon">Website</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> </div> </dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content662724"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662724&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662724">Re: [Alpha] The Great Steppe Era (1.14 add-on server)</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=662724&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=662724&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662724" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142553&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="username">The_Gnat</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2021-02-15T06:40:25+00:00">February 15th, 2021, 6:40 am</time> </p> <div class="content"><blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=662702&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662702"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=136866&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">ForestDragon</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662702&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662702" data-post-id="662702" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">February 14th, 2021, 6:36 am</span></cite> As of now, no. Slaves won't be freed when attacked by an enemy khaganate units (after all, they wouldn't get freedom either way, so it makes little sense for them to desert to the khaganate). </div></blockquote> That makes sense. <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":)" title="Smile"> <br> <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=662721&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662721"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180204&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">Atreides</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662721&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662721" data-post-id="662721" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">February 15th, 2021, 2:05 am</span></cite> Could they be played versus Default factions or were those excluded for a reason? </div></blockquote> They can be played against default factions with a quick modification to the era.cfg file in the <code class="inline-code">"My Games\Wesnoth1.15\data\add-ons\1The_Great_Steppe_Era"</code>. Add <code class="inline-code">{ERA_DEFAULT}</code> following a line that reads <code class="inline-code">{~add-ons/{ADDONPATH}/factions/khaganate.cfg}</code> (i believe line 81).<br> <br> However, I tried against a few default factions and would say they are not even slightly balanced. I crushed the Elves just now in a 2p combat Den of Onis with 150g playing as the Bull Tumen. 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I crushed the Elves just now in a 2p combat Den of Onis with 150g playing as the Bull Tumen. I ended with 152g and lost not a single unit. :lol:<br> <br> Unbalanced, thanks, that's what I suspected. :) Hugely OP eh? I wonder then if they will be rebalanced or as was hinted will instead form the nucleus of a new era balanced for itself only.<br> <br> I've started a second game as the other side (The Bulls) and noticed an interesting feature. They're much more different to play with the pillaging. It makes me wonder if they've used any ai directives as the computer will not normally be able to restrain itself from pillaging (which is worthwhile if you gain some rebel slaves, they can start a rebel economy). I suspect this side won't play well except under human supervision. From playing vs them I think I detected a recruit pattern in use to get extra healers. 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No upkeep + easy enough to mitigate downside, if its doing nothing it doesnt eat your upkeep and doesnt lose any hp, if its doing something then its most likely draining (with magic attack at that) too, very good resistances and dodge make it pretty hard to kill.<br> <strong class="text-strong">Ogre Apprentice</strong> - healing (healing in this faction is at premium), finishing off, tanky enough. <br> <strong class="text-strong">Bull</strong> - great for achieving local superiority of levels, no upkeep, very tanky with self healing (again premium in this faction) , (also what does slaves think when bunch of cows is freeing them?).<br> <strong class="text-strong">Ogre Chariot</strong> - good fun unit.<br> 1 - Here is average default era unit strength, <strong class="text-strong">Ogre Hunter</strong> - I prefer Hunter over Grunt because he doesnt receive as much retail damage.<br> <strong class="text-strong">Ogre Grunt</strong> - just nice unit.<br> <br> Out of ranking:<br> <strong class="text-strong">Ogre Mancatcher</strong> - bad body but good ability, getting even 1 off makes him worth it, good candidate for top power spot as support unit, but Im still not sure how well will he perform. </div></blockquote>Will keep that in mind, However, it seems you didn't put the ogre hunter on the ranking for some reason<br> <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=662710&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662710"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142450&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">Hejnewar</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662710&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662710" data-post-id="662710" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">February 14th, 2021, 8:54 pm</span></cite><strong class="text-strong">Pillage</strong> - I would honestly recommend to balance units first and then just adjust strength of pillage. It should be easier for you guys to balance this era this way because units alone would rank this <strong class="text-strong">faction</strong> somewhere in top 10% of best balanced add-on factions (both in comparison to default and just considering internal consistency).</div></blockquote>Hmmmmm... I'd like to ask you to elaborate on the point a bit more, as with your current wording it's a bit difficult to understand what sort of specific changes would you advise to do <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_pensive.gif" width="17" height="16" alt=":hmm:" title="Pensive"> <br> <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=662710&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662710"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142450&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">Hejnewar</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662710&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662710" data-post-id="662710" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">February 14th, 2021, 8:54 pm</span></cite> <strong class="text-strong">Serpent Khaganate:</strong> <div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px"><div class="quotetitle" style="vertical-align:middle;display:inline-block"><strong>Spoiler:</strong> <input class="button1" style="font-size:0.8em" type="button" value="Show" onclick="if (this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display != '') { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display = ''; this.value = 'Hide'; this.innerText = ''; } else { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display = 'none'; this.value = 'Show'; this.innerText = ''; }"></div><div class="quotecontent" style="display:none"> From strongest to weakes in my opinion:<br> <strong class="text-strong">Slave Spearman</strong><br> <strong class="text-strong">Slave Bowman</strong> - slaves are very fun, they are without a doubt most powerful standalone units in Khaganate, they require heavy playaround and thinking when and how many should be recruited, no upkeep is also pretty valuable, while playing well it should be possible to not lose any ever.<br> {Insert power gap here} <br> <strong class="text-strong">Nckelavee </strong>- great scout, just bit above strongest default scout.<br> <strong class="text-strong">Gnoll Bitter</strong> - here we have very interesting unit that can lose you the game and even with this its still pretty good unit. Disloyal is for me the least fun ability of this era, you cant play around it much and using Overseer to prevent it is just waste.<br> 1 - Here is average default era unit strength<br> <strong class="text-strong">Naga Overseer</strong> - ok unit, its not required to use but has very nice synergy with slaves.<br> <strong class="text-strong">Greyblade</strong> - too bad to play and disloyal, night form is bit better but still nowhere near worth it in my opinion. <br> <br> Out of ranking:<br> <strong class="text-strong">Serpenthead Tarhan</strong> - his body alone can be worth it, but ability is in my opinion too strong for L1 unit, unlike with Mancatcher there is not much counterplay to it, it just happens (no need to wait 2 enemy turns and no need to hold particular spot like with Mancatcher), also as with disloyal that its more saddening / angering for person that is hurt by this ability than its fun for person benefiting from it. (Also L3 has its melee attack name misspelled it should be "scepter".) <br> Edit: Yes I know that it gives them "slave" ability, still securing this slave is easy enough in my opinion, also because if you cant you will simply kill that unit. Hmm I guess I might be a bit too harsh here anyway. </div></div> </div></blockquote>Hmmmmmmm... now that I think about it, the disloyal ability in its current state is not exactly ideal. Might consider changing it to something less RNG-heavy. 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I crushed the Elves just now in a 2p combat Den of Onis with 150g playing as the Bull Tumen. I ended with 152g and lost not a single unit. <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_laugh.gif" width="16" height="16" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing"><br> <br> Unbalanced, thanks, that's what I suspected. <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":)" title="Smile"> Hugely OP eh? I wonder then if they will be rebalanced or as was hinted will instead form the nucleus of a new era balanced for itself only.</div></blockquote>I think most likely we'll only really go for internal balance, as balancing against the default factions with our fancy abilities would be nearly impossible.<br> <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=662727&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662727"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180204&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">Atreides</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662727&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662727" data-post-id="662727" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">February 15th, 2021, 7:24 am</span></cite> I've started a second game as the other side (The Bulls) and noticed an interesting feature. They're much more different to play with the pillaging. It makes me wonder if they've used any ai directives as the computer will not normally be able to restrain itself from pillaging (which is worthwhile if you gain some rebel slaves, they can start a rebel economy). I suspect this side won't play well except under human supervision. From playing vs them I think I detected a recruit pattern in use to get extra healers. I suppose I ought to look under the hood soon rather than speculating <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":)" title="Smile"> </div></blockquote>I did add some ai directives so the ai doesn't play too awfully (for example, it won't kill off its prisoners), but the era is definitely at its best in multiplayer.</div> <div id="sig662729" class="signature">My active add-ons: <a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=53932" class="postlink">The Great Steppe Era</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=44979" class="postlink">XP Bank</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=47723&p=622127#p622127" class="postlink">Alliances Mod</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=669163#p669163" class="postlink">Pestilence</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=55714" class="postlink">GSE+EoMa</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=671413" class="postlink">Ogre Crusaders</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=680768" class="postlink">Battle Royale</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=57445" class="postlink">EoMaifier</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=57496" class="postlink">Steppeifier</a>,<a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=687440" class="postlink">Hardcoreifier</a><br> My inactive add-ons (1.12): Tale of Alan, The Golden Age<br> Co-creator of <a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&p=611658#p611658" class="postlink">Era of Magic</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p662736" class="post has-profile bg2"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile662736"> <dt class="no-profile-rank has-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142450&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" class="avatar"><img class="avatar" src="./download/file.php?avatar=142450_1559554174.png" width="80" height="80" alt="User avatar" /></a> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142450&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" style="color: #CA8935;" class="username-coloured">Hejnewar</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=142450&sr=posts&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">333</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> September 17th, 2016, 11:01 am</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content662736"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662736&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662736">Re: [Alpha] The Great Steppe Era (1.14 add-on server)</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=662736&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=662736&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662736" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=142450&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761" style="color: #CA8935;" class="username-coloured">Hejnewar</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2021-02-15T16:54:33+00:00">February 15th, 2021, 4:54 pm</time> </p> <div class="content"><blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=662728&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662728"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=136866&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761">ForestDragon</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=662728&sid=9f17cac4701973d2eba0ee4afabf2761#p662728" data-post-id="662728" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">February 15th, 2021, 8:04 am</span></cite> Will keep that in mind, However, it seems you didn't put the ogre hunter on the ranking for some reason </div></blockquote> Ogre Hunter is on the ranking exactly at 1. <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=";)" title="Wink"><br> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Hmmmmm... I'd like to ask you to elaborate on the point a bit more, as with your current wording it's a bit difficult to understand what sort of specific changes would you advise to do <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_pensive.gif" width="17" height="16" alt=":hmm:" title="Pensive"> </div></blockquote> I was just advising to balance this fraction as if without this ability and then add it on top of already balanced faction, then you can just adjust this ability but I completely forgot that doing that this way is easy for me but may not be for everyone else. <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/eusa_doh.gif" width="16" height="16" alt=":doh:" title="D'oh!"> Of course i can propose some more concrete changes to units or pillage ability if you want.<br> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Hmmmmmmm... now that I think about it, the disloyal ability in its current state is not exactly ideal. Might consider changing it to something less RNG-heavy. Will fix the spelling error.</div></blockquote> Thanks! I was also thinking about enslavement "break will" attack of Tarhan as a unit that is already strong maybe just adding some kind of drawback would be enough, I was thinking about making him unable to attack and move for one turn after successfully using this ability. No idea how would that feel in game tho.<br> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>I think most likely we'll only really go for internal balance, as balancing against the default factions with our fancy abilities would be nearly impossible.</div></blockquote> In my opinion its not that hard, of course Im not talking about perfect balance but good one? Should be possible. 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