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It allows adding a reason in the summary.">undo</a></span></strong></div><div id="mw-diff-ntitle2"><a href="/wiki/User:Augnablik" class="mw-userlink" title="User:Augnablik" data-mw-revid="1259076001"><bdi>Augnablik</bdi></a> <span class="mw-usertoollinks">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Augnablik" class="mw-usertoollinks-talk" title="User talk:Augnablik">talk</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Augnablik" class="mw-usertoollinks-contribs" title="Special:Contributions/Augnablik">contribs</a>)</span><div class="mw-diff-usermetadata"><div class="mw-diff-userroles"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Extended_confirmed_editors" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Extended confirmed editors">Extended confirmed users</a></div><div class="mw-diff-usereditcount"><span>760</span> edits</div></div></div><div id="mw-diff-ntitle3"><abbr class="minoredit" title="This is a minor edit">m</abbr> <span class="comment comment--without-parentheses">Inserted a letter in a word in a message I'd previously posted.</span></div><div id="mw-diff-ntitle5"></div><div id="mw-diff-ntitle4"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Augnablik&diff=next&oldid=1259076001&diffonly=1" title="User talk:Augnablik" id="differences-nextlink">Next edit →</a></div></td> </tr><tr><td colspan="4" class="diff-multi" lang="en">(22 intermediate revisions by 5 users not shown)</td></tr><tr><td colspan="4"><div class="mw-diff-inline-header">Line 387:</div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-context">{{outdent}}</div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-context">It's amazing what can be found "by accident". Just now I stumbled upon the [[Wikipedia:Dashboard]] which is quite interesting and relevant to your question about ongoing discussion venues. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added mw-diff-empty-line"><ins title="Content added"> </ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:I fully agree that it's amazing what can be found "by accident" (a/k/a serendipitously), as you commented in your message to me on the 3rd. </ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:You may be even more amazed when you see how in turn it could contribute in a roundabout way to untying the "knotty problem" I'll describe for you shortly as follow-up to your invitation to send that sort of thing to you to cut through. [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik#top|talk]]) 12:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::@[[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]], I've finished writing up my knotty problem for you. It's a Word document of 2 1/3 pages that I was hoping to plop into this space, but I don't see a way to do that directly. Looks as if I'll have to just copy/paste. 🙁</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::Mike, </ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::Here for your consideration is the knotty problem I’ve been facing. It involves the editing of an existing ̵Wikipedia article on noted Indian author Ramendra Kumar, known primarily as a children’s author for his books and stories, although he’s also written quite a bit for adults. There are two knots in my problem.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::'''Knot 1'''</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::· The existing article is quite out of date because Ramendra has written many more books, stories, and articles that are not mentioned. Similarly, he and many of his books have received awards that Wiki readers would never know about from the article.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::· Organizationally the article is in need of major editorial attention.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::· More third-party sources are also needed.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::· There’s also some interesting back story about Ramendra that many readers would likely find of interest but that doesn’t appear in the article, in particular his becoming something of a medical celebrity in India as a “cancer warrior.”</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::· The most logical way to update this article would seem to be a complete replacement. But for a still somewhat new Wiki editor (though at the level of Novice Confirmed Extended) to try doing that, I know the likely result would be outright rejection. </ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::: There is a concept explained at [[WP:TNT]], which is self-explanatory. Normally, I'd be reluctant to suggest that but having looked at [[Ramendra Kumar]] I really think that's the best solution! The current version is a violation of the ''policy'' [[WP:BLP]] because it lacks inline citations and is very poorly sourced. Also, it has a large number of [[WP:EL|external links]] in the main text, which is against guidance. Actually, you seem to be in luck in one respect. Two editors, Thudinspecies (on article Talk Page) and Weliviewf (in edit history) are clearly interested in a major cleanup. I suggest you 1) create a totally new version of the article in your sandbox or, better, at [[User:Augnablik/Ramendra Kumar]] by clicking on that redlink. 2) Invite these two editors (via pings on [[Talk:Ramendra Kumar]]) to take a look at your new version BUT NOT EDIT IT (which would complicate the edit histories), instead making suggestions for changes within the Kumar Talk Page, so you are the only editor of the new version. 3) The aim is to gain [[WP:CONSENSUS]] that your version is OK, even if you have to remove parts of it to reach consensus. Incidentally, I'd ditch that long list of Kumar's books: they are irrelevant to his notability unless you include some reviewer's comment (cited, of course) or they won some prize, etc. Better for the moment to have "Selected publications" with just the most-commented-on and the ISBN for these. If you look at a featured author's article, like [[J K Rowling]], you'll see that there is an {{tl|Authority control}} template at the foot, which usually links to databases of works 4) Once the other two editors are happy, copy/paste your version into the current article, where editing can continue as usual. 5) Use the template {{tl|db-author}} to get an admin to delete your sub-page where you placed the temporary version. I'll comment on COI later, below. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:30, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::'''Knot 2'''</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::· Although I’d never even heard of Ramendra when I came on board as a Wiki editor (June, 2022), or to this day met him in person, we gradually became friends online after I took on editing his Wiki article. And as that friendship developed, so too — I slowly came to realize — did COI.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::· When I came on board with Wikipedia, I was also an online middle school English teacher. A few months later, as I was searching for a children’s story to use in a class project about India’s national independence day, I found one written by Ramendra that I thought would work well, so I adapted it into a skit for my students to perform for a small online audience.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::· Before the enactment, I got the idea to write Ramendra to thank him for his story, mention that my class would be doing a skit based on it, and — although never expecting him to say yes — invite him to watch the performance as a hidden viewer and be introduced afterward. To my amazement, he ''did''! After that, we kept in touch a little.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::· As I got more involved with Wikipedia, one day it occurred to me that I hadn’t looked to see if Wikipedia had an article about Ramendra and so I decided to check. Finding that there was one, but with quite a few issues, I thought, why don’t I take on editing it — to clean it up and also to give me some in-depth Wiki experience?</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::· Although I had a general idea of what COI was and the need for Wiki editors to avoid it, I wasn’t aware at that point that it might extend even to the loose connection Ramendra and I had. If I had been aware, I wouldn’t have taken on the project.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::· When I told him I’d decided to work on the article, he was very happy because he was quite aware it was out of date. That in turn was roubling for him because as a noted author he was often asked to make presentations and his hosts typically turned to Wikipedia — even though he often provided information — to get material for their introductions. </ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::· To close the gap in the article about his publications and awards, Ramendra began sending me a lot of material. The more we interacted, I began to realize that we’d developed something of a friendship across the miles. Which meant I was now a Wiki editor with COI ... and a few related decisions to make.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::· Over the year or so since I’d begun Wiki editing, I’d noticed occasional divergences in the official guidance as well as discussions in the Teahouse and elsewhere about (1) exactly what constitutes COI and (2) how editors should deal with it. I delved into everything I could find in all corners of Wikipedia about what to do. Must all the work I’d put in on the article go down the drain? After all: </ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::o There hadn’t been what seemed real COI in place when I’d begun editing the article. It just came gradually.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::o Although I knew none of us can ever be 100% free of bias, I had much experience in objective writing in both journalism and academia.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::o Lastly was a consideration that wouldn’t be of concern to Wikipedia but that was still one I had to face because I’d told Ramendra that I’d work on the article, and he was anticipating the revision to finally end the use by others of the out-of-date article to get information about him. How fair to him would it be if I had to pull out of the work?</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::· With all this in mind, I started a thread about COI at the Village Pump that attracted quite a few senior editors to a lengthy, often heated. discussion. I found it amazing to see such varying opinions about COI among editors at such a high level. I didn’t bring up my own dilemma, but I emerged from that discussion with the confidence that I could legitimately continue working on the article if I transparently laid out the connection I now had with Ramendra.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::· Still later another idea struck me about further editing on the article: that perhaps I could find another editor willing to take on this project. It’s taken a huge amount of time just to get to where it is now and I have other writing and editing projects I should be working on. I’d be delighted to hand it off. </ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::With a glimmer of hope that the Knot 2 issue may not be the obstacle it once seemed, the Knot 1 issue remains: whether my — or anyone else’s — edited version can simply replace the existing article.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::''This is where perhaps you, as a senior editor with enjoyment of dealing with knotty problems, in addition to your invitation to help, might be the magic key to finally get Ramendra’s article updated. Perhaps you know someone “at the top” who would agree that this is one of those rare articles that would simply warrant outright replacement than submission of edits in drips and drabs.''</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::Incidentally, the work I’ve done on the article is on my computer rather than my Wiki sandbox, as I was more at home in Microsoft Word than in the unfamiliar Wiki ambience. Now I wish I ''had'' gone the sandbox route because of the need for citations directly made through Wikipedia rather than on a word processor. But I can send you what I have so you can compare the earlier version of the article with mine that I’d put aside for awhile. [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik#top|talk]]) 18:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:::I take a fairly simple view. [[WP:PAID]] is a ''policy'' and Wikipedia's T&C's mandate a stringent set of rules associated with it, as explained at that link. You are not being paid in respect of Ramendra. [[WP:COI]] is ''guidance'' and, for me the key parts are {{tq|Someone having a conflict of interest is a description of a ''situation'', not a judgment about that person's opinions, integrity, or good faith}} and {{tq|Editors with a COI, including paid editors, are expected to disclose it whenever they seek to change an affected article's content}}. That can be done on the Talk Page of the article: a wikilink to this "Knot 2" text would be more than adequate, as you have explained here the nature of your COI. My suggestion (above) about how to proceed via a new version of the article gets round all the COI in this case, as two other editors (and me, probably!) will have already reached consensus that your re-draft is OK. The key is disclosure. There is a template {{tl|Connected contributor}} that can go on Talk Pages of articles but in the case we are discussing here, I don't think that's necessary (others may disagree with me). In any event, it could be added after you have reached stage #5 of my above suggestions. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::::Mike, I wonder if — in addition to your reply time-stamped 16:52 on the 15th — you sent another that somehow I missed. I ask because in the 16:52 message, you refer to "my suggestion (above) about how to proceed via a new version of the article." And to "stage #5 of my above suggestions."</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::::I just don't see any "above suggestions." 😯 [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik#top|talk]]) 21:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:::::They are in my longish post just above your "Knot 2" header. I put that reply there to keep it near to your "Knot 1" issue to which it is my response. You'll see it in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Augnablik&action=history page history] as my edit timestamped at 16:30, immediately before the 16:52 one. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 13:29, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::::::Found everything and pretty well digested it now. What useful comments! Thank you so much. </ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::::::I learned quite a few new things in the process of reading everything you sent me, some of which raised questions in turn for me.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::::::— I'd heard about TNT but somehow felt you'd have to be an editor at a high level to try it even if you had good reason to do it. This gave me increased confidence about Wiki editing. I think many of us newbies and semi-newbies get really worried the more we hear about missteps and their consequences, even if we come to Wikipedia with strong editing background. Negative feedback on our questions and comments, as well as on those of others, in the Teahouse can begin to freeze us in the headlights, so to speak.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:::::::* WP tries to act as if there was no hierarchy and if you've reached, say, 100 mainspace edits you are already a "high level" contributor! We all learn by making errors and having them corrected by others in a, hopefully, polite manner: the guideline is [[WP:AGF]].</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::::::— I had never thought to look at the article's Talk page — even though I was vaguely aware there was such a resource attached to articles — to see if any other editors had raised any concerns about the article that jibed with mine, and if so how what to do with them. It was a great surprise to know there were two such editors, and to get your insights on how to approach what had felt like an impasse in further editing the article. [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik#top|talk]]) 20:52, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:::::::* Yes, Talk Pages are a fundamental interaction venue and sometimes have more content than the articles! When our current discussion gets focused on the Ramendra article, we should go to its Talk Page to continue, as that's better for the other editors who are interested in it and also means any discussion will get archived there rather than here.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::::::Oops, I hadn't finished my reply but it got published and here on the User Talk page, I don't see a way to edit it. So, onward …</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:::::::* You can/could and this is easiest with the source editor. Follow the [[WP:TPG|talk page guidelines]], if you do. You have the greatest liberty on your own Talk Page but bear in mind every past edit is still in its page history.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::::::— You suggested a Selected Publications section, as did another editor earlier when I asked something in the Teahouse about how to handle large bibliographies. (Ramendra has published 49 books and counting … and that's only the books!) Your suggestion gave me confidence in creating such a section even though it would mean omitting many other publications of his. So now a related question to make it possible for a complete list of his publications to be available on demand even though not housed on Wikipedia: could a complete list of his publications appear at his website and the Selected Publications section of his Wiki article link to that?</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:::::::* Absolutely. Links to subject's website are allowed in both infobox and as external links. There is also a more technical way to do this via the template {{tl|Authority control}} you'll see at the foot of many biographies about authors. It gets a bit complicated as Wikidata maintains these links. Some editors here will be very suspicious of biographies that are mainly list of publications, which they assume verge on [[WP:SPAM]].</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::::::— When you say that "two other editors (and me, probably!) will have reached consensus that your re-draft is OK," does this mean that you'd eventually weigh in at the article's Talk page? That would sure be great!</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:::::::* Sure, I comment all the time on other people's drafts via the Teahouse.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::::::— At the same time, it makes me wonder all the more about something that's been on my mind for some time: is the best way to get things done in Wiki work — or let's put it at a higher level — is it an ethical way to get things done in Wiki work to become friendly with a senior editor and ask him or her to champion your cause?</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:::::::* Ethics are not relevant, building the encyclopaedia is. Anything that advances that goal is fine and the more you have a history of doing that the more leeway people will allow for a bit of banter. Just remember [[WP:NOTFB|WP is not a social network]] and we are not here to [[WP:RGW|advance causes]].</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::::::— Irrespective of a yes or no to that perhaps controversial question, I'm just so grateful to have you as someone I can turn to as a mentor, even if not officially so designated. My assigned editor has interacted with me just once that I can recall, and he doesn't even seem to be active on Wikipedia. </ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:::::: [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik#top|talk]]) 21:39, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:::::::* I've remedied that by "claiming" you as my mentee: your hompage tab should now reflect that. Don't blame your previous mentor for not being proactive. We mentors each have about 600 mentees and would never get anything else done if we interacted with them all. We rely on those who want to do so contacting us via our Talk Pages. Most of my mentees have never done so, thank goodness, and those that have often immediately give up editing thereafter, e.g. when I point out that creating an account here just because you fancy having an autobiography article is a very bad idea. (Other comments interlaced with your questions. I suggest you start a new section for any further discussion so as to keep this one a reasonable size.) [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:::::::*:You've adopted me? </ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:::::::*:🥲 Time out for a few tears.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:::::::*: [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik#top|talk]]) 15:51, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added mw-diff-empty-line"><ins title="Content added"> </ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">== Your thread has been archived ==</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added mw-diff-empty-line"><ins title="Content added"> </ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">{| style="margin: 1em 4em;"</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">|- style="vertical-align: top;"</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">| [[File:WP teahouse logo 2.png|alt=Teahouse logo|link=w:en:WP:Teahouse|File:WP teahouse logo 2.png by User:Heatherawalls, licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0]]</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">| <div style="background-color: #fcfbed; color: #393D38; padding: 0.4em 1em; border-radius: 10px; font-size: 1.1em;"></ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">Hello '''Augnablik'''! The thread you created at the [[Wikipedia:Teahouse|Teahouse]], {{tq|Article titling when the subject has made a name change}}, has been archived because there was no discussion for a few days.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added mw-diff-empty-line"><ins title="Content added"> </ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">You can still [[Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1239#Article titling when the subject has made a name change|read the archived discussion]]. 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It makes my mood better, and I assume it's the same for other editors. Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia! [[User:TheWikiToby|TheWikiToby]] ([[User talk:TheWikiToby|talk]]) 20:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">|}</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added mw-diff-empty-line"><ins title="Content added"> </ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:Omigosh, a barnstar! And my first ever! Thank you so much, TheWikiToby.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:By the way, I ended up at your Talk page by mistake while trying to copy your Wiki name from your message above into this one. </ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:Although I didn't succeed, I was intrigued at several things I saw there about yourself because I too am a cat lover and played the clarinet back in my own school days.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:Best wishes for all your coming school days.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">: [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik#top|talk]]) 09:59, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">::Thank you for the encouragement! If you wish, you can put the barnstar up on your user page for people to see. [[User:TheWikiToby|TheWikiToby]] ([[User talk:TheWikiToby|talk]]) 16:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:::After reading at your User page the other day that you have something like 4,700 edits although you're a "school boy," I wonder how you find time for everything, TheWikiToby! I'm sure it depends in large part on your school grade + other responsibilities + activities.</ins></div> <div class="mw-diff-inline-added"><ins title="Content added">:::I never thought of it before now but I can imagine Wikipedia's' attraction for "young-uns" with a penchant for writing and editing as I myself had even before my age reached the double digits. 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