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c16">んだよね</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada/status/1892173945966874954" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-19 20:26:38</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='1' data-id='1892421247549784225'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/A980awmzm' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="4" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">🍉すかいふぉーる🍉™</strong> <span class="status_name">@A980awmzm</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'>混ざってる混ざってる <a href="https://t.co/gCqUdvammZ" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">x.com/EGFinal_mada/s…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/A980awmzm/status/1892421247549784225" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 12:49:19</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='2' data-id='1892351530814361702'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/owl_allsky' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="5" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">おーる</strong> <span class="status_name">@owl_allsky</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@EGFinal_mada</a><span class="f17 c11"> ごんぎつね、実はサイド6とか田舎コロニーの更にド田舎の農民のお話だった…?</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/owl_allsky/status/1892351530814361702" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 08:12:17</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='3' data-id='1892364985075933278'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/bonjikken' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="6" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">【検証】凡人でもX収益化できるのか</strong> <span class="status_name">@bonjikken</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@EGFinal_mada</a><span class="f20 c11"> いたずらでは済まされない</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/bonjikken/status/1892364985075933278" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 09:05:45</a> </span> </span> </div> <div data-index="4"> <div class="type_markdown"> <nav class='show_headings'> <span>目次</span> <ul> <li class="h_1"><a href="#h4_0">たしかに作中では明言されてない</a></li> <li class="h_1"><a href="#h13_0">でも、描写からして明らかでは?</a></li> <li class="h_1"><a href="#h23_0">もしもごんがやっていなければあんな償いはしないのだ</a></li> <li class="h_1"><a href="#h26_0">だが、コロニー落としの罪はあまりに重い</a></li> <li class="h_1"><a href="#h35_0">みんなが読んだ教科書</a></li> </ul> </nav> <h2 class="md-h-1" data-h-index="0">たしかに作中では明言されてない <button type="button" class="hidebtn" title="目次" onclick="openDialog('/dialog/index/2514461');"><svg class="svg-icon fa-list-alt"><use xlink:href="#list-alt" /></svg></button> </h2> </div> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='5' data-id='1892411049862746373'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/mogmog_mesitero' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="7" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">ルルイエ</strong> <span class="status_name">@mogmog_mesitero</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@EGFinal_mada</a><span class="f20 c10"> 本当に明言「は」されてないんだよな.....</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/mogmog_mesitero/status/1892411049862746373" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 12:08:48</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='6' data-id='1892366347390374141'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/kou5600' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="8" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">kou子力学</strong> <span class="status_name">@kou5600</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@EGFinal_mada</a><span class="f17 c10"> 明言どころか、一言も触れられていない</span>あたりがもう完全にアレですよね…</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/kou5600/status/1892366347390374141" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 09:11:10</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='7' data-id='1892406642899132748'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/sho_k22' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="9" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">sho-k2</strong> <span class="status_name">@sho_k22</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@EGFinal_mada</a><span class="f17 c19"> </span><span class="f20 c19">行間読めって言われるやつやな</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/sho_k22/status/1892406642899132748" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 11:51:17</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='8' data-id='1892416303857574209'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/candystar0922' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="10" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">雨星HIRO</strong> <span class="status_name">@candystar0922</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@EGFinal_mada</a> これはいくら行間読んでも思いつかなかった。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/candystar0922/status/1892416303857574209" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 12:29:40</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='9' data-id='1892210095573934469'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/nibante24' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="11" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">レクフユノキア</strong> <span class="status_name">@nibante24</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><span class="f17 c10">事実なのに 純然たる事実なのにメチャクチャモヤモヤする </span><a href="https://t.co/tVIIPJbHPN" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">x.com/EGFinal_mada/s…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/nibante24/status/1892210095573934469" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-19 22:50:17</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' 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class="emj">オジュマス(お受験マスター)</strong> <span class="status_name">@ojuken_master</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@EGFinal_mada</a> そう 続編みてみんな勘違いしてる 名言されてない <span class="f17 c10">「シドニーでは今頃雪景色で綺麗だろうな」とゴンは言ってない</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/ojuken_master/status/1892264058021433521" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 02:24:42</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='12' data-id='1892335803293901151'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/uda2hima' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="14" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">ちよ♂</strong> <span class="status_name">@uda2hima</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@EGFinal_mada</a> 確かに、そこは盲点でした...</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/uda2hima/status/1892335803293901151" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 07:09:48</a> </span> </span> </div> <div data-index="13"> <div class="type_markdown"> <h2 class="md-h-1" data-h-index="0">でも、描写からして明らかでは? <button type="button" class="hidebtn" title="目次" onclick="openDialog('/dialog/index/2514461');"><svg class="svg-icon fa-list-alt"><use xlink:href="#list-alt" /></svg></button> </h2> </div> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='14' data-id='1892352677582942637'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/WarAtSea2' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="15" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">WarAtSea2</strong> <span class="status_name">@WarAtSea2</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@EGFinal_mada</a><span class="f20 c19"> 第一話の「兵十郎の家族の半数が死亡した」のナレーションに被さる画像を良く見れば、下手人は明らか。</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/WarAtSea2/status/1892352677582942637" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 08:16:51</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='15' data-id='1892377703816241310'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/EGFinal_mada' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="2" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">ひまだ</strong> <span class="status_name">@EGFinal_mada</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/WarAtSea2" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@WarAtSea2</a> 確かに1/2で笑ってる</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada/status/1892377703816241310" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 09:56:17</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='16' data-id='1892375389365735801'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/reserve_sp' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="16" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">reserve_sp</strong> <span class="status_name">@reserve_sp</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@EGFinal_mada</a><span class="f20 c16"> ・ごん越しに落ちてゆくコロニー ・永井一郎のナレ(人類の半数云々) ・永井一郎のナレ(人々は自らの行ないに云々)</span> <span class="f17 c11">以上から </span><span class="f20 c16">・争いの原因は兵十とごん双方 ・コロニー落としはその争いの過程 ・落としたのはごん</span><span class="f17 c11"> の</span><span class="f20 c11">解釈に至れなかった者は視聴者としてのターゲットでは無かったんよ。</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/reserve_sp/status/1892375389365735801" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 09:47:06</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='17' data-id='1892202679595937976'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/SimesabaRakkyou' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="17" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">俺の大惨事</strong> <span class="status_name">@SimesabaRakkyou</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@EGFinal_mada</a><span class="f20 c11"> あの描写で明言されていないといわれては、</span><span class="f20 c19">もうナレーション(声:永井一郎)に</span> <span class="f20 c19">「兵十のおっかあは、死んだ。ゴンの落としたコロニーが頭に当たったのだ」 って言わせないといけないレベル</span>では?</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/SimesabaRakkyou/status/1892202679595937976" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-19 22:20:48</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='18' data-id='1892357254071935356'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/Little_Trigger' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="18" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">緒方リクドウ🅿️/kyokunP</strong> <span class="status_name">@Little_Trigger</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><span class="f17 c11">鰻が病気の母親の為とは知らされてなかったんだよ!</span> <a href="https://t.co/U1mlbuTtX6" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pic.x.com/U1mlbuTtX6</a> <a href="https://t.co/8a1Nq8iK9L" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">x.com/EGFinal_mada/s…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/Little_Trigger/status/1892357254071935356" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 08:35:02</a> </span> </span> <div class="list_photo_box"> <figure class='list_photo'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="19" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="20" style="height: 308.51px; width: 500px;"/> </figure> </div> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='19' data-id='1892293750908440930'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/syouyouban' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="21" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">しょうゆバウ</strong> <span class="status_name">@syouyouban</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><span class="f20 c16">小 屋 の 中 の 戦 争 </span><a href="https://t.co/CPAcg6xzZW" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">x.com/egfinal_mada/s…</a></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/syouyouban/status/1892293750908440930" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 04:22:41</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='20' data-id='1892364460830105980'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/simopo' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="22" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">シモポ</strong> <span class="status_name">@simopo</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@EGFinal_mada</a> 名言はされてないけどごんのコロニー落としの結果兵十の母親が亡くなったのは行間を読めば確実なんだよなあ <span class="f17 c11">「ごんぎつね」とは一年戦争を暗喩した物語であるという説が学会では主流である(民明書房感)</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/simopo/status/1892364460830105980" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 09:03:40</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='21' data-id='1892294563659726868'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/New_Blazer' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="23" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">🌾ブレーザー名言bot</strong> <span class="status_name">@New_Blazer</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@EGFinal_mada</a> ごんぎつねの呼び名については諸説あるが、 ギレン・ザビのペットであったゴンは連邦に「ジオンの狐」と呼ばれており、U.C.0087頃には短縮され「ジオン狐」、歴史どころか伝説と化したガイアセンチュリー移行後以降「ごんぎつね」の呼称が広まった。</p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/New_Blazer/status/1892294563659726868" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 04:25:55</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='22' data-id='1892259109971304595'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/yoyoyo_yoraichi' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="24" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">yoyoyo_yoraichi</strong> <span class="status_name">@yoyoyo_yoraichi</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@EGFinal_mada</a> <span class="f17 c11">ジオン=Zion=Sion</span>、シオンの丘、エルサレムの聖なる丘、シオン修道会なんてのもある。マトリックスで逃げ延びた人たちの街であり最後の砦の名前もザイオンだった。 <span class="f17 c11">兵十の十は十字架にも見えるし、ごんぎつねは漢字で権狐。兵と権、示唆しているものがあるよね。 誰が落として誰を悲しませたのか。</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/yoyoyo_yoraichi/status/1892259109971304595" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-20 02:05:02</a> </span> </span> </div> <div data-index="23"> <div class="type_markdown"> <h2 class="md-h-1" data-h-index="0">もしもごんがやっていなければあんな償いはしないのだ <button type="button" class="hidebtn" title="目次" onclick="openDialog('/dialog/index/2514461');"><svg class="svg-icon fa-list-alt"><use xlink:href="#list-alt" /></svg></button> </h2> </div> </div> <div class='list_box type_tweet impl_profile' data-index='24' data-id='1892204217567449227'> <span> <a class="user_link" rel="noreferrer" href='https://x.com/kutouryuu479' target='_blank'> <img class="lzpk " data-s="25" src="https://s.tgstc.com/static/web/p.gif" data-e="3" /> <strong class="emj">九頭龍@7yと5y兄弟育児中</strong> <span class="status_name">@kutouryuu479</span> </a> </span> <p class='tweet emj'><a href="https://x.com/EGFinal_mada" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@EGFinal_mada</a> ごんが落としたとは明記されていないけれど、<span class="f17 c10">その後罪悪感を覚えたごんが</span><span class="f20 c19">兵十にお詫びの金属資源をオデッサから運び続けている描写</span><span class="f17 c10">あるしわかりそうなもんだと思うけれどな🤔</span></p> <span class='status'> <span class="intent"></span> <span> <a class="link" href="https://x.com/kutouryuu479/status/1892204217567449227" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2025-02-19 22:26:55</a> </span> </span> </div> <div class="pagenation"> <a class='current' rel='' href='/li/2514461'>1</a> <a class='' rel='next' href='/li/2514461?page=2'>2</a> <a href='/li/2514461?page=2'>次へ</a> </div> <script> asyncmd.push(function () { renderTweetStatus(); }); </script> </section> <div> <div class="ad_custom"> <div> <div id='tg_pc_list_bottom_left' class='lazy-dfp ' style=''> <script> googletag.cmd.push(function () { googletag.display(dfpslots['tg_pc_list_bottom_left']); }); </script> </div> </div> <div> <div 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