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If you <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jacques_Chirac&action=edit">edit this page</a>, please build on the good work by <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CITE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CITE">citing</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">your sources</a></b>.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Unreferenced articles</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Unreferenced articles</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Unreferenced articles articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Chirac_and_the_Commmunist_Party" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chirac_and_the_Commmunist_Party-2008-01-27T15:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chirac_and_the_Commmunist_Party-2008-01-27T15:14:00.000Z"></span>Chirac and the Commmunist Party<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chirac_and_the_Commmunist_Party-2008-01-27T15:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Chirac and the Commmunist Party"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-82.66.234.112-2008-01-27T15:14:00.000Z-Chirac_and_the_Commmunist_Party"></span>Chirac has never been a member of the Communist Party, contrary to what is written in this article. It's right the young Chirac had participated to the campaign for the communist-inspired <a href="/wiki/Stockholm_Appeal" title="Stockholm Appeal">Stockholm Appeal</a> against nuclear weapons. Some people said he seld the communist paper <i><a href="/wiki/L%27Humanit%C3%A9" title="L'Humanité">L'Humanité</a></i>, but he has always denied it. Nevertheless, he has never joined the Communist Party. (Excuse me for my English, I'm French) <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/82.66.234.112" title="Special:Contributions/82.66.234.112">82.66.234.112</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:82.66.234.112" title="User talk:82.66.234.112">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-82.66.234.112-2008-01-27T15:14:00.000Z-Chirac_and_the_Commmunist_Party" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-82.66.234.112-2008-01-27T15:14:00.000Z-Chirac_and_the_Commmunist_Party"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-82.66.234.112-2008-01-27T15:14:00.000Z-Chirac_and_the_Commmunist_Party"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had"-2006-11-15T00:19:00.000Z"><span id="Chirac_is_.22the_best_president_France_ever_had.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had"-2006-11-15T00:19:00.000Z"></span>Chirac is "the best president France ever had"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had"-2006-11-15T00:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Chirac is "the best president France ever had""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-132.194.70.73-2011-12-15T19:18:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""></span>Chirac is a brillian president and after CDG may be the best president France ever had. I am pround to be from Europe where there is a great country France led by such a charmful, intelligent,independent and pragmatic president. He did so much for France and for Europe overall. his antiamericanism encourages every independent thinking soul in the world to heroism and dignity. Oh Mr Chirac you will be dearly missed, so sorry to find out you retire from politics. Who is going to save France from Sarkozy, why De Villepin doesnt run for president. We will all miss you. A great man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--armenianNY 01:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)--armenianNY 01:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Oh yes, a wonderful man. Because wonderful men are often convicted on corruption charges, including embezzlement and breach of trust. Yes, what a hero. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/132.194.70.73" title="Special:Contributions/132.194.70.73">132.194.70.73</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:132.194.70.73" title="User talk:132.194.70.73">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-132.194.70.73-2011-12-15T19:18:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:18, 15 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-132.194.70.73-2011-12-15T19:18:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-132.194.70.73-2011-12-15T19:18:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott_Adler-2006-11-15T00:19:00.000Z-132.194.70.73-2011-12-15T19:18:00.000Z"></span>Ah, the "brillian" genius of Osirak, right? Chirac d'Orsirak is the idiot (or monster) who tried to sell Saddam the nuclear bomb -- makes him quite the hero, doesn't it? Wonder how much he was paid for that. As far as being "the best president France ever had" -- that's not really saying much, is it? Who's his competition? A bunch of arrogant narcissistic sociopaths like de Gaulle (with the possibly exception of the fellow who died of a heart attack while receiving the oral affections of a prostitute). <a href="/wiki/User:Scott_Adler" title="User:Scott Adler">Scott Adler</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Scott_Adler-2006-11-15T00:19:00.000Z-132.194.70.73-2011-12-15T19:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott_Adler-2006-11-15T00:19:00.000Z-132.194.70.73-2011-12-15T19:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott_Adler-2006-11-15T00:19:00.000Z-132.194.70.73-2011-12-15T19:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T23:09:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""></span>The only person very well known for receiving oral affections is Israeli president Kazav( probably your president Mr Adler) If I were you I would be more careful with my lables. I am wondering why you are still not blocked from so called online encyclopedia. If any gentle came and blackmouthed the Jews or Jewish pogroms he would have been blocked immediately. Without any shame or any courtesy, being a real cynical loser, you after signing in, opened your mouth and critisized de Gaulle whose antifascist activities saved your Jewish race during Holocaust. And you have so much hatred towards Chirac because he did something wrong that did not coincide with Israeli interests; he supported Saddam. Good for us. That is one of the reasons he is magnificient. He is independent and very objective. Chirac is a very very good president for both France and Europe overall. After his term he will be dearly missed.--armenianNY 22:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Actually, <i>armenianNY</i>, almost all of Wikipedia's Middle East articles are controled by Arab-sympathizers. There is a name for the phenomenon, <i>Wikiganda</i>. You say "de Gaulle whose antifascist activities saved your Jewish race during Holocaust." What makes you think that I am Jewish? Actually, de Gaulle did nothing during the war at all, other than drive the British and the Americans crazy with his Gaullic arrogance. There were very few Frenchmen at D-Day. And no one did anything about the Holocaust until the war was over. You appear to be very racist, e.g. "your Jewish race" etc. "And you have so much hatred towards Chirac because he did something wrong that did not coincide with Israeli interests; he supported Saddam. Good for us." No further comment is necessary.<a href="/wiki/User:Scott_Adler" title="User:Scott Adler">Scott Adler</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T23:09:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:09, 13 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T23:09:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T23:09:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott_Adler-2006-11-15T00:19:00.000Z-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T23:09:00.000Z"></span>"His antiamericanism (sic, but at least you admit that it's entirely racist) encourages every independent thinking soul in the world to heroism and dignity." -- I guess that's why Mark Twain said that "humanity was created one step below the angels, and one step above the French." (I've found that the French don't like getting their crap tossed back at them.) <a href="/wiki/User:Scott_Adler" title="User:Scott Adler">Scott Adler</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Scott_Adler-2006-11-15T00:19:00.000Z-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T23:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)</a>.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott_Adler-2006-11-15T00:19:00.000Z-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T23:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott_Adler-2006-11-15T00:19:00.000Z-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T23:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-12T19:36:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""></span>I wish Mark Twain's nation contributed as much as the French into human culture and civilization. So far it is still the French making laws in the world of fashion, art and literature. It is still the French inventing the best parfume in the world. It is still the French who lead the world in gastronomy and dining. The only contributions that your nation made so far are Mc Donalds and crap a la Jennifer Lopez. If you look at the same Black race acting in Paris and in New York subway you will realize the real difference between French and American civilizations. May Twain rest in peace. Things have been change since his death. He would run away from the country where he was born if he were alive. </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I grant you that the french are the world's greatest cheesemakers and parfumers (if you grant that Americans saved the entire French nation TWICE), but that still doesn't change the fact that Chirac-Osirak deliberately tried to sell Sadam Hussein nuclear weapons, a crime for which he should be in prison today. And go sit in the dark -- An Americn invented the light bulb. <a href="/wiki/User:Scott_Adler" title="User:Scott Adler">Scott Adler</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-12T19:36:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-12T19:36:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-12T19:36:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ocollard-2007-03-14T11:55:00.000Z-Scott_Adler-2007-03-12T19:36:00.000Z"></span>Chirac never sold Saddam nuclear weapons. Osirak reactor is a reactor to test nuclear materials. The presence of WMDs in Iraq is a USA lie. All know that here. You seem to live in the dark.<a href="/wiki/User:Ocollard" title="User:Ocollard">Ocollard</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Ocollard-2007-03-14T11:55:00.000Z-Scott_Adler-2007-03-12T19:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ocollard-2007-03-14T11:55:00.000Z-Scott_Adler-2007-03-12T19:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ocollard-2007-03-14T11:55:00.000Z-Scott_Adler-2007-03-12T19:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T07:15:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""></span>It is the souvereign right of the French president to sell what he wants and whom he wants. In terms of nuclear weapons,you have to prove that he tried. You accused the innocent Iraq of obtaining and producing WMD and so far havent been able to prove it. You invaded an innocent independent country for no reason, killed almost 600000 Iraqis and capitally punished its leader. Look at yourself before judging Chirac. If I were him I would do the same. Americans need to be shown some teeth all over the world so they will realize the meaninglessness of their bullying. About who saved whom, it is a big question. Soviets also claim they saved Eastern Europe from fascism, they claimed they liberated Baltic states from Hitler. But who asked them to liberate? Did the French ask you to go to save them? I bet you, no. You Americans entered the WW2 when the victory of the Soviets after Stalingrad became obvious, when you realized that France would be "saved" by Russians, when you really wanted your zone of occupation in post war Germany. Therefore, nobody wanted you to liberate or save anybody. Sit and spin in your own country. Iraqis did not ask you to liberate them as well as Afghanitsan did not ask you to stick your nose in Afghanistan. They lived in the stony age and they wanted to keep living like that. Russians built civilization for them, nonetheless they hated Russians who built air base Baghram used by American occupiers at the moment. You boycotted Olympic Games in Moscow because Russians were fighting in Afghanistan. You supported Pakistanis in their fight against Russians in Afghanistan as if you were so concerned with occupation of Afghanistan. When everybody left pain-in-the-ass Afghanitan you decided to "save" them again by occupying it. Who will save "America" one nice day? </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Spoken like a true Vichyist, if an incoherant one. Actually, it's pointless to argue with this guy. He's really quite clueless. The US entered WWII de facto in 1940, formally in Dec. 1941. The Battle of Stalingrad was from 21 August, 1942 through 2 Feb., 1943. Thousands of American sailors died trying to supply the Soviets through Murmansk. Regarding his thesis that the US entry into the war was was a territorial grab, well, sorry, Americans don't think like the French.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Regarding "It is the souvereign right of the French president to sell what he wants and whom he wants," well there's a little matter of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which France only signed AFTER the Osirak plot failed. And regarding Osirak itself, see the <a href="/wiki/Osirak" class="mw-redirect" title="Osirak">Osirak</a> article. There is a lot more information in books, such as "Raid on the Sun" by Roger Claire. There is no doubt that the French wanted Saddam Hussein to have nuclear weapons and the French certainly didn't care if he used them. And regarding his question, "Who will save "America" one nice day?" -- certainly not the French. (Oh yes, and the French president who died during oral sex was <a href="/wiki/F%C3%A9lix_Faure" title="Félix Faure">Félix Faure</a>, who died under the ministrations of <a href="/wiki/Marguerite_Steinheil" title="Marguerite Steinheil">Marguerite Steinheil</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Scott_Adler" title="User:Scott Adler">Scott Adler</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T07:15:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:15, 13 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T07:15:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T07:15:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ocollard-2007-03-13T16:58:00.000Z-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T07:15:00.000Z"></span>Spoken like a true fascist. Actually, it's pointless to argue with this guy. USA entered war not until dec 1941, and against Germany not until 1942. Until that time, US firms were conducting their business as usual in Nazi Germany. Regarding the lies about the presence of WMDs in Iraq, well, sorry, Frenchs don't think like the Americans.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Regarding the Osirak reactor, the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty does not forbid the sale of this reactor to Iraq. This reactor was monitored by IAEA. The allegations about the French selling nuclear weapons to Saddam Hussein are ridiculous as best. USA has been caught lying about Iraq, and France had the courage to oppose them. Still, there are some fascist that still believe Saddam had WMDs. Some people will never learn <a href="/wiki/User:Ocollard" title="User:Ocollard">Ocollard</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Ocollard-2007-03-13T16:58:00.000Z-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T07:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ocollard-2007-03-13T16:58:00.000Z-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T07:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ocollard-2007-03-13T16:58:00.000Z-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T07:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T22:48:00.000Z-Ocollard-2007-03-13T16:58:00.000Z"></span>It's an immense honor to be called a "fascist" by a Gaullist. It's like being called a "communist" by a Stalinist, or an Islamist by the Ikhwan. Actually, <i>Ocollard</i>, Germany declared war on the US on Dec. 11, 1941, but the US Navy had been fighting German U-boats long before.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>And Saddam was building nuclear weapons when his program was hit during the first Gulf War. "The reactor was monitored by the IAEA" -- very impressive, certainly with the same Inspector Clouseau-style vigor the it is giving the current Iranian bomb program. And why a plutonium reactor? Why would a third world country with vast oil wealth spend billions to re-process plutonium? There is no question by anyone other than a Gaullist that the reactor was intended to produce nuclear weapons, the French knew it, and they still don't care. (And if Saddam didn't have WMD's before the second Gulf War, what was he hiding from the arms inspectors?)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>In conclusion, if Gaullist propaganda is so important to you, go to the French-language Wiki. By the way, where are you getting your "facts" -- such as the Stalingrad stuff? <a href="/wiki/User:Scott_Adler" title="User:Scott Adler">Scott Adler</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T22:48:00.000Z-Ocollard-2007-03-13T16:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 13 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T22:48:00.000Z-Ocollard-2007-03-13T16:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T22:48:00.000Z-Ocollard-2007-03-13T16:58:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T22:48:00.000Z-Ocollard-2007-03-13T16:58:00.000Z-1"></span>PS -- I removed the following text from his comment, "Actually, it's pointless to argue with this guy. He's really quite clueless." It was plagerized from my previous comment. If he wants to say something like that, fine, but he should use his own words. <a href="/wiki/User:Scott_Adler" title="User:Scott Adler">Scott Adler</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T22:48:00.000Z-Ocollard-2007-03-13T16:58:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 13 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T22:48:00.000Z-Ocollard-2007-03-13T16:58:00.000Z-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T22:48:00.000Z-Ocollard-2007-03-13T16:58:00.000Z-1"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ocollard-2007-03-14T11:52:00.000Z-Ocollard-2007-03-13T16:58:00.000Z"></span>You fail to understand that France is free to sell nuclear reactors to whoever she wants, and Saddam is free to build nuclear reactors if he wants. No autorisation is needed from whoever. The sale of the Osirak reactor was compliant with the IAEA. You should show more respect to IAEA, this organization has actually inspectors, and they have never lied. This is very different with USA. <a href="/wiki/User:Ocollard" title="User:Ocollard">Ocollard</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Ocollard-2007-03-14T11:52:00.000Z-Ocollard-2007-03-13T16:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ocollard-2007-03-14T11:52:00.000Z-Ocollard-2007-03-13T16:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ocollard-2007-03-14T11:52:00.000Z-Ocollard-2007-03-13T16:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T22:48:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""></span>Rather as some will never learn that "fascist" does not mean "person with whom I disagree." </p> <dl><dd>Point well taken.<a href="/wiki/User:Scott_Adler" title="User:Scott Adler">Scott Adler</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T22:48:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 13 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T22:48:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-13T22:48:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-14T05:42:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""></span>Do you know the date when Americans opened the Second Front in Normandy? I think that is the date Americans came to "save" French people, as they "saved" Germans in Dresden. About doing nothing against Holocaust until the end of the war....Well, I do not think that arbeitende volke in Auschwitz, Buchenwald Maidanek had ball until May 9 1945 and went home with good memories.... I think that some people came from the East and liberated and saved them long before the end of the WW2. My facts about Stalingrad? It is a common sense that the breakthrough in WW2 happened in Stalingrad and the battle of Stalingrad predicted that Soviets would be the only real and true winners of the war. After Stalingrad even Turkey declared war on his ally Germany and Americans began to kiss Stalin's ass as tight as possible. FYI Mr Adler (I think your last name tells everybody you are a Jew) it is a complement to be called Communist by Stalin and not only by him.--armenianNY 02:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Conversation is over, armenianNY -- aside from being a complete idiot, you're a racist, which is your point all along. (And in fact, the second front was opened in French North Africa in 1942, but I seem to recall that the French army thought it best to fight for Germans for a few hours, for their sacred "honor," then do what it has always done best, surrender. Go add whatever you want after this point. Claim that Roosevelt was a Jew, that the Battle of Stalingrad was in 1923, or that the Americans bled not to liberate Europe but to spread venerial disease and the polka-dot plague. I won't dignify it with a reply. <a href="/wiki/User:Scott_Adler" title="User:Scott Adler">Scott Adler</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-14T05:42:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-14T05:42:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott_Adler-2007-03-14T05:42:00.000Z-Chirac_is_"the_best_president_France_ever_had""></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ocollard-2007-03-14T11:52:00.000Z-Scott_Adler-2007-03-14T05:42:00.000Z"></span>Scott, aside from being a complete idiot, you're a racist, which is your point all along. Your comment about the French are just that. Racism. The turning point in the WW2 in Europe was in Stalingrad, armenianNY is right. <a href="/wiki/User:Ocollard" title="User:Ocollard">Ocollard</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Ocollard-2007-03-14T11:52:00.000Z-Scott_Adler-2007-03-14T05:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ocollard-2007-03-14T11:52:00.000Z-Scott_Adler-2007-03-14T05:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ocollard-2007-03-14T11:52:00.000Z-Scott_Adler-2007-03-14T05:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>To all the armchair generals and statesman who posted above... you guys are tools. Are you sure they are generals and statesmen? Would be nice if you signed you posting or were more precise instead of sending multi-meaning double messages. Yes Jacques Chirac led France in the period of economic cooling or slowdown. He had so many internal problems that he couldnt solve. But we all know about cyclic system of laisez fair market economy. May be the next president Royal will come and do nothing or may be she will try to change it... or implement welfare reforms (Who will need them? we all know that Chirac indeed was very lefty). But, again. as a matter of chance, her presidential period can coincide with economic boom and she can be remembered later as a good reformist leader...Overall, so far as I am on the planet Earth I do not remember any French president who was a bad leader for France. Valerie had lots of internal economic problems as well, but overall he was a very good president. Mitterand was just brilliant. He did so much for France.. And Jacques Chirac was very competent in external affairs, balanced policy, Eurointegration. But most of all I will remember him for his love for French football....I will always remember how he jumped when Petite scored the 3 goal in Stade de France, how he defended Zidane when Zizou really needed that.... I will always remember his modest and humble wife Bernadette, their elegant mannters and intelligent actions. Again, Monsieur Chirac, Mercie beaucoup. we will always love and support you and France. --armenianNY 01:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Parody" data-mw-thread-id="h-Parody-2005-05-30T04:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Parody-2005-05-30T04:50:00.000Z"></span>Parody<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Parody-2005-05-30T04:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Parody"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David.Monniaux-2005-05-30T04:50:00.000Z-Parody"></span>Now don't get me wrong, I hate Chirac as much as any other red-blooded American, but I don't think we should have a section devoted mostly to negative portrayals in an article about a standing head of state. I especially think we should get rid of the picture of the "Superliar" puppet. A brief mention in another section about how he is portrayed should be more than enough. </p> <dl><dd>Hem... Jacques Chirac <i>is</i> heavily criticized in France and is heavily parodied. To many people, especially the young, he is very much represented by the Superliar character. <a href="/wiki/User:David.Monniaux" title="User:David.Monniaux">David.Monniaux</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-David.Monniaux-2005-05-30T04:50:00.000Z-Parody" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 30 May 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David.Monniaux-2005-05-30T04:50:00.000Z-Parody"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David.Monniaux-2005-05-30T04:50:00.000Z-Parody"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-82.120.3.118-2005-05-31T05:45:00.000Z-David.Monniaux-2005-05-30T04:50:00.000Z"></span>But this is true for many head of states across the world, my dear. I see no mention of <a href="/wiki/Saturday_Night_Live" title="Saturday Night Live">SNL</a> ( <a href="/wiki/Darrell_Hammond" title="Darrell Hammond">Darrell Hammond</a> ...) in the US Presidents entries for instance, same thing for Blair, Berlusconi, and a lot of others. You think that caricature of heads of state is a French thing ?<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:82.120.3.118&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:82.120.3.118 (page does not exist)">82.120.3.118</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-82.120.3.118-2005-05-31T05:45:00.000Z-David.Monniaux-2005-05-30T04:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:45, 31 May 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-82.120.3.118-2005-05-31T05:45:00.000Z-David.Monniaux-2005-05-30T04:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-82.120.3.118-2005-05-31T05:45:00.000Z-David.Monniaux-2005-05-30T04:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peco-2005-05-31T06:48:00.000Z-82.120.3.118-2005-05-31T05:45:00.000Z"></span>82.120.3.118 has a point. I agree we should give less importance to parodies. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Peco&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Peco (page does not exist)">Peco</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Peco-2005-05-31T06:48:00.000Z-82.120.3.118-2005-05-31T05:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:48, 31 May 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peco-2005-05-31T06:48:00.000Z-82.120.3.118-2005-05-31T05:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peco-2005-05-31T06:48:00.000Z-82.120.3.118-2005-05-31T05:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sam_Hocevar-2005-09-05T23:46:00.000Z-Peco-2005-05-31T06:48:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, how come there's not parody section in the <a href="/wiki/George_W._Bush" title="George W. Bush">George W. Bush</a> article? --<a href="/wiki/User:Hottentot" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hottentot">Hottentot</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Uhm, may I venture to suggest that it might be because many consider <a href="/wiki/George_W._Bush" title="George W. Bush">George W. Bush</a> himself a parody of a real Head of State? <a href="/wiki/User:Sam_Hocevar" title="User:Sam Hocevar">Sam Hocevar</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Sam_Hocevar-2005-09-05T23:46:00.000Z-Peco-2005-05-31T06:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 5 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sam_Hocevar-2005-09-05T23:46:00.000Z-Peco-2005-05-31T06:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sam_Hocevar-2005-09-05T23:46:00.000Z-Peco-2005-05-31T06:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David.Monniaux-2005-09-05T06:59:00.000Z-Parody"></span>I removed the "Super Liar" picture. If no one has a problem with it, I'll remove the parody section alltogether.--<a href="/wiki/User:Cuchullain" title="User:Cuchullain">Cuchullain</a> 04:47, August 22, 2005 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>To David Monniaux, perhaps you have no idea about the countless number of parodies of <a href="/wiki/George_W._Bush" title="George W. Bush">George W. Bush</a> because you are from France, but since there's no parody section in the Bush article there shouldn't be any parody section in this article. --<a href="/wiki/User:Hottentot" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hottentot">Hottentot</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Having stayed in the US, I can attest that none of the parodies of the politicians there have as much impact as the <i>Guignols</i> have on France. I suspect that none of the people who have intervened in this discussion have ever watched French TV. Am I correct?</dd> <dd>Furthermore, I totally disagree with this idea that the pages about heads of state around the world should be modeled after that of <a href="/wiki/George_W._Bush" title="George W. Bush">George W. Bush</a>, which would be a clear case of americanocentrism. I wonder how people would react if sections were cut off articles about the US president or the British prime minister because equivalent sections or topics are not discussed in Jacques Chirac's entry. <a href="/wiki/User:David.Monniaux" title="User:David.Monniaux">David.Monniaux</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-David.Monniaux-2005-09-05T06:59:00.000Z-Parody" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:59, 5 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David.Monniaux-2005-09-05T06:59:00.000Z-Parody"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David.Monniaux-2005-09-05T06:59:00.000Z-Parody"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aoineko-2005-09-05T07:17:00.000Z-Parody"></span>Les Guignols de l'Info</i> is a very influent parodic show in France. I think it's really important to explain what image JC have cause/thanks to this show. I also really don't understand the point that as Bush's article have no <i>parody</i> section all other article about president mustn't have one! <a href="/wiki/User:Aoineko" title="User:Aoineko">Aoineko</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Aoineko-2005-09-05T07:17:00.000Z-Parody" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:17, 5 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aoineko-2005-09-05T07:17:00.000Z-Parody"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aoineko-2005-09-05T07:17:00.000Z-Parody"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liberlogos-2005-09-05T23:28:00.000Z-Aoineko-2005-09-05T07:17:00.000Z"></span>First, I admit that David had a point (a funny point, to boot) about pages not having to be be modeled after George W. Bush's (although some dose of comparison can be sometimes useful in Wikipedia, when speaking of standards). I, for one, am not French (I am a North American Quebecois) and I do watch TV from France and know very well the <i>Les Guignols de l'info</i> show (thanks to the, err, wonders of the information superhighway). As such, I guess I'd suggest the compromise of leaving a brief section speaking of the Chirac parody phenomenon while NPOV-ing (if you will...) the language and leaving the <i>Super Menteur</i> picture and more expressive descriptions to the <i>Les Guignols</i> article itself. --<a href="/wiki/User:Liberlogos" title="User:Liberlogos">Liberlogos</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Liberlogos-2005-09-05T23:28:00.000Z-Aoineko-2005-09-05T07:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:28, 5 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liberlogos-2005-09-05T23:28:00.000Z-Aoineko-2005-09-05T07:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liberlogos-2005-09-05T23:28:00.000Z-Aoineko-2005-09-05T07:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-82.120.14.238-2005-09-06T05:47:00.000Z-Liberlogos-2005-09-05T23:28:00.000Z"></span>Guys. Your little edit war about parody has led to the removal without discussion of non parody related content. Could you check and discuss before making such major changes. Thanks. PS: the Super Liar thing is quite stale now in France. It has not been used in this TV show for a long time. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:82.120.14.238&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:82.120.14.238 (page does not exist)">82.120.14.238</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-82.120.14.238-2005-09-06T05:47:00.000Z-Liberlogos-2005-09-05T23:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:47, 6 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-82.120.14.238-2005-09-06T05:47:00.000Z-Liberlogos-2005-09-05T23:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-82.120.14.238-2005-09-06T05:47:00.000Z-Liberlogos-2005-09-05T23:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David.Monniaux-2005-10-03T09:40:00.000Z-Parody"></span>I reinserted the information. <a href="/wiki/User:David.Monniaux" title="User:David.Monniaux">David.Monniaux</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-David.Monniaux-2005-10-03T09:40:00.000Z-Parody" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:40, 3 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David.Monniaux-2005-10-03T09:40:00.000Z-Parody"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David.Monniaux-2005-10-03T09:40:00.000Z-Parody"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David.Monniaux-2006-02-18T13:43:00.000Z-Parody"></span>Hottentot, if you remove this parody section one more time, I'll file a request against you. I don't give a damn whether we do not have a parody section in GWB's article. This is an article about a French president, and the French like parody a lot. <a href="/wiki/User:David.Monniaux" title="User:David.Monniaux">David.Monniaux</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-David.Monniaux-2006-02-18T13:43:00.000Z-Parody" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 18 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David.Monniaux-2006-02-18T13:43:00.000Z-Parody"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David.Monniaux-2006-02-18T13:43:00.000Z-Parody"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peco-2006-02-19T08:59:00.000Z-Parody"></span>Well, David, this is not the way to go. There is disagreement about this section. The supermenteur parody is outdated. The guignol changed a lot and don't call Mr Chirac supermenteur anymore. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Peco&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Peco (page does not exist)">Peco</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Peco-2006-02-19T08:59:00.000Z-Parody" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peco-2006-02-19T08:59:00.000Z-Parody"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peco-2006-02-19T08:59:00.000Z-Parody"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David.Monniaux-2006-02-19T20:45:00.000Z-Peco-2006-02-19T08:59:00.000Z"></span>This is not a reason to delete the whole section. It is a fact that Chirac was caricatured in Astérix, was pictured as Superliar in the Guignols, etc. You are free to update the section, but let's not rewrite history. <a href="/wiki/User:David.Monniaux" title="User:David.Monniaux">David.Monniaux</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-David.Monniaux-2006-02-19T20:45:00.000Z-Peco-2006-02-19T08:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 19 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David.Monniaux-2006-02-19T20:45:00.000Z-Peco-2006-02-19T08:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David.Monniaux-2006-02-19T20:45:00.000Z-Peco-2006-02-19T08:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rama-2006-02-19T21:26:00.000Z-David.Monniaux-2006-02-19T20:45:00.000Z"></span>Frankly, if there is no parody section on GWB, it should be added there, rather than removed here. Besides, parody is so important that there have been theories about Chirac being more popular than Jospin because Chirac makes a funnier parody. It certainly is a relevant topic. <a href="/wiki/User:Rama" title="User:Rama">Rama</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Rama-2006-02-19T21:26:00.000Z-David.Monniaux-2006-02-19T20:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rama-2006-02-19T21:26:00.000Z-David.Monniaux-2006-02-19T20:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rama-2006-02-19T21:26:00.000Z-David.Monniaux-2006-02-19T20:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Corruption" data-mw-thread-id="h-Corruption-2006-05-23T16:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Corruption-2006-05-23T16:28:00.000Z"></span>Corruption<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Corruption-2006-05-23T16:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Corruption"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-83.245.17.212-2006-05-23T16:28:00.000Z-Corruption"></span>Why is there no mention of this in the article? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:83.245.17.212&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:83.245.17.212 (page does not exist)">83.245.17.212</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-83.245.17.212-2006-05-23T16:28:00.000Z-Corruption" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)</a> Chris P<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-83.245.17.212-2006-05-23T16:28:00.000Z-Corruption"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-83.245.17.212-2006-05-23T16:28:00.000Z-Corruption"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ionius_Mundus-2006-06-20T13:36:00.000Z-Corruption"></span>- source:<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1448471.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1448471.stm</a> </p><p>What are the allegations against Chirac? </p><p>There are several cases under investigation, of which the four biggest are: </p><p>Paris public housing (or HLM) contracts backhanders: This investigation, initially opened by Judge Eric Halphen in 1994, concerns bribes allegedly paid for the allocation of public housing contracts, which are thought to have contributed to the financing of the RPR and other political parties. The allegations against two people close to Mr Chirac - the late Jean-Claude Mery and Michel Roussin - prompted prosecutors to ask how much he knew about the scam. </p><p>Chirac's career 1976-1994: RPR President </p><p>1977-1995: Mayor of Paris </p><p>1974-1976 and 1986-1988: Prime Minister </p><p>Since 1995: President </p><p>In September, the Court of Appeals threw out the case because of procedural flaws, but replaced Judge Halphen, with another magistrate, Armand Riberolles, who observers say may be able to resume the investigation. </p><p>Cash-for-tickets, linked to bribes on secondary school contracts: Backhander payments are also reported to have been made in return for contracts to refurbish secondary schools in the Paris region. The scheme, thought to have been put in place in the late 1980s, is said to have benefited all major political parties. Once again, Mr Roussin and Mr Mery were implicated, leading the investigation, which opened in 1997, in Mr Chirac's direction. </p><p>In July it was revealed that large sums of cash, allegedly totalling almost 2.4m francs ($320,000), had been used to pay for trips for Mr Chirac and his family and close colleagues between 1992 and 1995. He says the money came from his personal allowances, but investigators believe it may have been one way of spending the illegal commissions. </p><p>Fake RPR jobs: This investigation, opened in 1996 by Judge Patrick Desmure, relates to fictitious jobs given to members of Jacques Chirac's RPR party by private firms - who would be granted public contracts in return - and the Paris town hall between 1988 and 1995. It is alleged Mr Chirac knew of the arrangement. </p><p>Sempap fraud: This investigation, which began in 1997 and is headed by Judges Armand Riberolles and Marc Brisset-Foucault, examines allegations of fraud and favouritism towards the Sempap company, responsible for the Paris town hall's printing requirements between 1986 and 1996 while Mr Chirac was mayor. </p> <dl><dd>Do not forget his closeness to Juvénal Habyarimana. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ionius_Mundus&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ionius Mundus (page does not exist)">Ionius Mundus</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Ionius_Mundus-2006-06-20T13:36:00.000Z-Corruption" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ionius_Mundus-2006-06-20T13:36:00.000Z-Corruption"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ionius_Mundus-2006-06-20T13:36:00.000Z-Corruption"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Going_to_the_US" data-mw-thread-id="h-Going_to_the_US-2005-09-21T00:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Going_to_the_US-2005-09-21T00:57:00.000Z"></span>Going to the US<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Going_to_the_US-2005-09-21T00:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Going to the US"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pv7721-2005-09-21T00:57:00.000Z-Going_to_the_US"></span>Funny thing, the info about JC's problems when firstly going to US because of his left wings ties I could only find it on the en.wp but not on the fr.wp. Is there any reference to that? Thanks! --<a href="/wiki/User:Pv7721" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Pv7721">Vlad</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Pv7721-2005-09-21T00:57:00.000Z-Going_to_the_US" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:57, 21 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pv7721-2005-09-21T00:57:00.000Z-Going_to_the_US"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pv7721-2005-09-21T00:57:00.000Z-Going_to_the_US"></span> </p><p><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David.Monniaux-2005-09-21T05:46:00.000Z-Going_to_the_US"></span>Chirac de A à Z</i> definitely mentions that he had problems with the French military because he was considered what would be called in the US a "pinko commie", and also mentions he went to the US. I'd have to dig out the book to see whether it also mentions visa difficulties, or whether these were sourced in another book. </p><p>The French wikipedia <i>does</i> mention this event: </p> <dl><dd><i>Il signe en 1950 l'Appel de Stockholm, contre l'armement nucléaire, d'inspiration communiste (cela lui vaudra d'être interrogé lorsqu'il demandera son premier visa pour les États-Unis, pays pour lequel il nourrit une réelle admiration)</i></dd></dl> <p>I.e. "he signs in 1950 the Call of Stockholm, against nuclear weaponry, of Communist inspiration (which resulted in him being interrogated when he requested his first visa to the United States, a country for which he has a genuine admiration)". <a href="/wiki/User:David.Monniaux" title="User:David.Monniaux">David.Monniaux</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-David.Monniaux-2005-09-21T05:46:00.000Z-Going_to_the_US" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:46, 21 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David.Monniaux-2005-09-21T05:46:00.000Z-Going_to_the_US"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David.Monniaux-2005-09-21T05:46:00.000Z-Going_to_the_US"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mayor_of_Paris" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mayor_of_Paris-2005-10-05T13:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mayor_of_Paris-2005-10-05T13:05:00.000Z"></span>Mayor of Paris<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mayor_of_Paris-2005-10-05T13:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Mayor of Paris"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vb-2005-10-05T13:05:00.000Z-Mayor_of_Paris"></span>I added his function as mayor of Paris because, if one does not mention that in the list, the reader gets the feeling Chirac didn't do anything but be the president of a party during this long period. <a href="/wiki/User:Vb" title="User:Vb">Vb</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Vb-2005-10-05T13:05:00.000Z-Mayor_of_Paris" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:05, 5 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vb-2005-10-05T13:05:00.000Z-Mayor_of_Paris"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vb-2005-10-05T13:05:00.000Z-Mayor_of_Paris"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David.Monniaux-2005-10-05T15:27:00.000Z-Vb-2005-10-05T13:05:00.000Z"></span>Woops. Bad maneuver, sorry about that. I thought that you had <i>deleted</i> the box... <a href="/wiki/User:David.Monniaux" title="User:David.Monniaux">David.Monniaux</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-David.Monniaux-2005-10-05T15:27:00.000Z-Vb-2005-10-05T13:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 5 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David.Monniaux-2005-10-05T15:27:00.000Z-Vb-2005-10-05T13:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David.Monniaux-2005-10-05T15:27:00.000Z-Vb-2005-10-05T13:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NPOV_-_suggested_nepotism?" data-mw-thread-id="h-NPOV_-_suggested_nepotism?-2005-11-07T11:49:00.000Z"><span id="NPOV_-_suggested_nepotism.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NPOV_-_suggested_nepotism?-2005-11-07T11:49:00.000Z"></span>NPOV - suggested nepotism?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NPOV_-_suggested_nepotism?-2005-11-07T11:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: NPOV - suggested nepotism?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pperos-2005-11-07T11:49:00.000Z-NPOV_-_suggested_nepotism?"></span>the military wanted to de-rank him because they did not want a "Communist" to become an officer. However, Chirac's extensive family acquaintances had him ranked back at his former position.</i> - Unless there is a source for this, we cannot really include it. It looks to me like a subtle attempt to portray Chirac as the aloof aristocrat...of course he may actually <i>be</i> an aloof aristocrat, but Wikipedia convention dictates that we give sources, so can anybody provide one for this? <a href="/wiki/User:Pperos" title="User:Pperos">Peeper</a> 11:49, 7 November 2005 (UTC) PS - same goes for this: <i> Chirac volunteered to be deployed in Algeria while the Algerian War of Independence was raging, even though his family connections would easily have allowed him to obtain a safe position away from the war</i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pperos" title="User:Pperos">Peeper</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Pperos-2005-11-07T11:49:00.000Z-NPOV_-_suggested_nepotism?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:06, 7 November 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pperos-2005-11-07T11:49:00.000Z-NPOV_-_suggested_nepotism?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pperos-2005-11-07T11:49:00.000Z-NPOV_-_suggested_nepotism?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David.Monniaux-2006-02-04T00:49:00.000Z-Pperos-2005-11-07T11:49:00.000Z"></span>Source: <i>Chirac de A à Z</i>, unless I'm mistaken. <a href="/wiki/User:David.Monniaux" title="User:David.Monniaux">David.Monniaux</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-David.Monniaux-2006-02-04T00:49:00.000Z-Pperos-2005-11-07T11:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 4 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David.Monniaux-2006-02-04T00:49:00.000Z-Pperos-2005-11-07T11:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David.Monniaux-2006-02-04T00:49:00.000Z-Pperos-2005-11-07T11:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re-election" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re-election-2006-01-05T08:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re-election-2006-01-05T08:50:00.000Z"></span>Re-election<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re-election-2006-01-05T08:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Re-election"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Everyking-2006-01-05T08:50:00.000Z-Re-election"></span>I was reading an online BBC article <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4580842.stm">[1]</a> and noticed that it said "Mr Chirac, who plans to run for re-election in 2007..." I was kinda surprised, so I came here to see what our article said about this, and saw that we were saying it was uncertain if he was running again. Anybody know if the BBC just got this wrong, or we're out of date, or what? <a href="/wiki/User:Everyking" title="User:Everyking">Everyking</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Everyking-2006-01-05T08:50:00.000Z-Re-election" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Everyking-2006-01-05T08:50:00.000Z-Re-election"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Everyking-2006-01-05T08:50:00.000Z-Re-election"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David.Monniaux-2006-02-03T21:09:00.000Z-Everyking-2006-01-05T08:50:00.000Z"></span>Chirac apparently fancied the idea for a little while, but given his dysmal approval ratings, another candidacy is just unthinkable now. <a href="/wiki/User:David.Monniaux" title="User:David.Monniaux">David.Monniaux</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-David.Monniaux-2006-02-03T21:09:00.000Z-Everyking-2006-01-05T08:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David.Monniaux-2006-02-03T21:09:00.000Z-Everyking-2006-01-05T08:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David.Monniaux-2006-02-03T21:09:00.000Z-Everyking-2006-01-05T08:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thbz-2006-02-03T23:33:00.000Z-David.Monniaux-2006-02-03T21:09:00.000Z"></span>Yes. The BBC should read Wikipédia for up-to-date information :) <a href="/wiki/User:Thbz" title="User:Thbz">Thbz</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Thbz-2006-02-03T23:33:00.000Z-David.Monniaux-2006-02-03T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:33, 3 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thbz-2006-02-03T23:33:00.000Z-David.Monniaux-2006-02-03T21:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thbz-2006-02-03T23:33:00.000Z-David.Monniaux-2006-02-03T21:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Iraq_veto" data-mw-thread-id="h-Iraq_veto-2006-02-03T15:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Iraq_veto-2006-02-03T15:37:00.000Z"></span>Iraq veto<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Iraq_veto-2006-02-03T15:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Iraq veto"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MarkBoydell-2006-02-03T15:37:00.000Z-Iraq_veto"></span>This part Chirac threatened to veto any resolution in the U.N. Security Council that would authorize the use of military force to rid Iraq of alleged weapons of mass destruction, and rallied other governments to his position. is incorrect. I read at the time precisely what Chirac had said and it was not as clear cut as the article is making out (Tony Blair has been using this dodgy excuse to justify his failure at the UN). Clair Short has pointed this out on Television and in her book so it's a prettty well established fact.--<a href="/wiki/User:MarkBoydell" title="User:MarkBoydell">MarkB</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-MarkBoydell-2006-02-03T15:37:00.000Z-Iraq_veto" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 3 February 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MarkBoydell-2006-02-03T15:37:00.000Z-Iraq_veto"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MarkBoydell-2006-02-03T15:37:00.000Z-Iraq_veto"></span> </p><p>In addition, this issue was discussed on the BBC - here's a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/programmes/panorama/transcripts/iraqtonyandthetruth.txt">transcript</a> of a Panorama program. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Veto" data-mw-thread-id="h-Veto-2006-08-30T23:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Veto-2006-08-30T23:24:00.000Z"></span>Veto<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Veto-2006-08-30T23:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Veto"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David.Monniaux-2006-08-30T23:24:00.000Z-Veto"></span>Does and did Chirac not veto a law that was "passed" by the National Assembly? Does this warrant a mention?? </p> <dl><dd>No, because he cannot do that. <a href="/wiki/User:David.Monniaux" title="User:David.Monniaux">David.Monniaux</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-David.Monniaux-2006-08-30T23:24:00.000Z-Veto" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David.Monniaux-2006-08-30T23:24:00.000Z-Veto"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David.Monniaux-2006-08-30T23:24:00.000Z-Veto"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Chirac's_controversions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chirac's_controversions-2006-07-26T13:11:00.000Z"><span id="Chirac.27s_controversions"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chirac's_controversions-2006-07-26T13:11:00.000Z"></span>Chirac's controversions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chirac's_controversions-2006-07-26T13:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Chirac's controversions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Szopen-2006-07-26T13:11:00.000Z-Chirac's_controversions"></span>Hmm.. no info about Chirac's famous activities during crisis over "corridor" from Kaliningrad, during negotations in Nice and finally famouse "you lose the occassion to shut up"? <a href="/wiki/User:Szopen" title="User:Szopen">Szopen</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Szopen-2006-07-26T13:11:00.000Z-Chirac's_controversions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Szopen-2006-07-26T13:11:00.000Z-Chirac's_controversions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Szopen-2006-07-26T13:11:00.000Z-Chirac's_controversions"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="After_the_next_election" data-mw-thread-id="h-After_the_next_election-2006-07-27T13:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-After_the_next_election-2006-07-27T13:25:00.000Z"></span>After the next election<span data-mw-comment-end="h-After_the_next_election-2006-07-27T13:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: After the next election"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-219.77.165.93-2006-07-27T13:25:00.000Z-After_the_next_election"></span>Assuming that he either doesn't stand, or is defeated, then will he lose his immunity from prosecution over alleged wrongdoings whilst he was mayor of Paris ? If so, it is likely that he will be charged, or at least investigated ? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:219.77.165.93&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:219.77.165.93 (page does not exist)">219.77.165.93</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-219.77.165.93-2006-07-27T13:25:00.000Z-After_the_next_election" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-219.77.165.93-2006-07-27T13:25:00.000Z-After_the_next_election"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-219.77.165.93-2006-07-27T13:25:00.000Z-After_the_next_election"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Regarding_Google_synopsis" data-mw-thread-id="h-Regarding_Google_synopsis-2007-12-19T03:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Regarding_Google_synopsis-2007-12-19T03:29:00.000Z"></span>Regarding Google synopsis<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Regarding_Google_synopsis-2007-12-19T03:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Regarding Google synopsis"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-65.185.93.86-2007-12-19T03:29:00.000Z-Regarding_Google_synopsis"></span>Google lists this as an article about the current French president. I presume this is an inaccuracy in some preview code in this article. Can someone explain what the casue of this datedd assertion is, and how to fix it? Maybe fix it too, cuz I sure don't know nothing bout this here intertubes. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.185.93.86" title="Special:Contributions/65.185.93.86">65.185.93.86</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:65.185.93.86" title="User talk:65.185.93.86">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-65.185.93.86-2007-12-19T03:29:00.000Z-Regarding_Google_synopsis" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)</a> peach out homeyz; tha motherfucking G Dawg; Jersey Shore 4 Life<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-65.185.93.86-2007-12-19T03:29:00.000Z-Regarding_Google_synopsis"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-65.185.93.86-2007-12-19T03:29:00.000Z-Regarding_Google_synopsis"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_no_information_on_his_children?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_no_information_on_his_children?-2006-08-10T15:28:00.000Z"><span id="Why_no_information_on_his_children.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_no_information_on_his_children?-2006-08-10T15:28:00.000Z"></span>Why no information on his children?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_no_information_on_his_children?-2006-08-10T15:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Why no information on his children?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:86.16.159.212&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:86.16.159.212 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-86.16.159.212-2006-08-10T15:28:00.000Z-Why_no_information_on_his_children?"></span>86.16.159.212</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-86.16.159.212-2006-08-10T15:28:00.000Z-Why_no_information_on_his_children?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-86.16.159.212-2006-08-10T15:28:00.000Z-Why_no_information_on_his_children?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-86.16.159.212-2006-08-10T15:28:00.000Z-Why_no_information_on_his_children?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Andorra" data-mw-thread-id="h-Andorra-2006-09-29T13:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Andorra-2006-09-29T13:26:00.000Z"></span>Andorra<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Andorra-2006-09-29T13:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Andorra"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_Kenney-2006-09-29T13:26:00.000Z-Andorra"></span>Does Co-Prince of Andorra need to be in the infobox? It's a piece of historical trivia, not an important part of what Chirac actually does, and is already mentioned in the first paragraph of the article. <a href="/wiki/User:John_Kenney" class="mw-redirect" title="User:John Kenney">john k</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-John_Kenney-2006-09-29T13:26:00.000Z-Andorra" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_Kenney-2006-09-29T13:26:00.000Z-Andorra"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_Kenney-2006-09-29T13:26:00.000Z-Andorra"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gloriamarie-2007-08-05T09:24:00.000Z-Andorra"></span>It appears on <a href="/wiki/Nicolas_Sarkozy" title="Nicolas Sarkozy">Nicolas Sarkozy</a>'s page as well; it's part of the standard infobox and apparently part of the title.--<a href="/wiki/User:Gloriamarie" title="User:Gloriamarie">Gloriamarie</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Gloriamarie-2007-08-05T09:24:00.000Z-Andorra" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:24, 5 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gloriamarie-2007-08-05T09:24:00.000Z-Andorra"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gloriamarie-2007-08-05T09:24:00.000Z-Andorra"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NPOV_revert_on_brothel_issue?" data-mw-thread-id="h-NPOV_revert_on_brothel_issue?"><span id="NPOV_revert_on_brothel_issue.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NPOV_revert_on_brothel_issue?"></span>NPOV revert on brothel issue?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NPOV_revert_on_brothel_issue?"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: NPOV revert on brothel issue?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>user Sensi.fr reverted an edit concerning Chirac sustaining an injury during a visit to a brothel. This edit was not made to malign Chirac, just a statement of fact. Was the revert done to suppress an inconvenient truth? </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Trivia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Trivia"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Trivia"></span>Trivia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Trivia"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Trivia"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Is the trivia section really needed if it's only one piece of trivia? </p><p>Reigning Monarch? Why is listed under this? </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What_about_the_advantages_of_Chirac's_two_presidential_term?_Sensing_an_ad_hominem_fallacy_in_the_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_about_the_advantages_of_Chirac's_two_presidential_term?_Sensing_an_ad_homin-2007-03-09T08:02:00.000Z"><span id="What_about_the_advantages_of_Chirac.27s_two_presidential_term.3F_Sensing_an_ad_hominem_fallacy_in_the_article"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_about_the_advantages_of_Chirac's_two_presidential_term?_Sensing_an_ad_homin-2007-03-09T08:02:00.000Z"></span>What about the advantages of Chirac's two presidential term? Sensing an ad hominem fallacy in the article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_about_the_advantages_of_Chirac's_two_presidential_term?_Sensing_an_ad_homin-2007-03-09T08:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: What about the advantages of Chirac's two presidential term? Sensing an ad hominem fallacy in the article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Abrionesknox-2007-03-09T08:02:00.000Z-What_about_the_advantages_of_Chirac's_two_presidential_term?_Sensing_an_ad_homin"></span>Hello. I see that the article has a certain tilt towards outlining only the criticisms of Chirac's two presidencies. I am disappointed to see that the entire article is a concentrated critique of him as a person and none to his actual policies. There were no highlight of the policies that rendered positive results during these two terms. Aside from the NO vote against the Iraq War, is there anything else that can be said about his presidency putting aside the party politics, corruption speculation et al? </p><p>I am in the predisposition that the article be reformatted and have portions that deals with a comprehensive analysis of his economic policies, foreign policies (such as his success in strengthening the Franco-German Bloc in the EU with ex Chancellor Schroeder perhaps?) , military, and other domestic issues which were not tackled as much as the personal criticisms were. The entire bulk of this article should maybe be classified under the subtitle "Criticisms During Chirac's presidency" or something of this sort. </p><p>Although I sense some impartiality in this article (except of course the Biography portion), I think that the writers and the contributors to this article have aptly illustrated how great a political tactician Chirac is when it comes to finding leverage during elections. </p><p>Happy if anyone can enlighten me on these matters. Thanks much. <small>—The preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Abrionesknox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Abrionesknox (page does not exist)">Abrionesknox</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Abrionesknox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Abrionesknox (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abrionesknox" title="Special:Contributions/Abrionesknox">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Abrionesknox-2007-03-09T08:02:00.000Z-What_about_the_advantages_of_Chirac's_two_presidential_term?_Sensing_an_ad_homin" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)</a>.</small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Abrionesknox-2007-03-09T08:02:00.000Z-What_about_the_advantages_of_Chirac's_two_presidential_term?_Sensing_an_ad_homin"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Abrionesknox-2007-03-09T08:02:00.000Z-What_about_the_advantages_of_Chirac's_two_presidential_term?_Sensing_an_ad_homin"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Former_New_Yorker" data-mw-thread-id="h-Former_New_Yorker"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Former_New_Yorker"></span>Former New Yorker<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Former_New_Yorker"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Former New Yorker"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Would it be worth mentioning that as a young man JC spent a Summer as a waiter in New York? </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Osirak_&_Saddam" data-mw-thread-id="h-Osirak_&_Saddam-2007-07-18T15:42:00.000Z"><span id="Osirak_.26_Saddam"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Osirak_&_Saddam-2007-07-18T15:42:00.000Z"></span>Osirak & Saddam<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Osirak_&_Saddam-2007-07-18T15:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Osirak & Saddam"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-81.250.60.215-2007-07-18T15:42:00.000Z-Osirak_&_Saddam"></span>To <a href="/wiki/User:Y" title="User:Y">Y</a> who undid my modification. do you deem it normal that more than half of the PMship section is devoted to the relation with Saddam Hussein (common to all democracies of the time) and Osirak ? do French politics of that era amount only to that (in fr: there is not a word in <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Chirac" class="extiw" title="fr:Jacques Chirac">fr:Jacques Chirac</a>, and I never saw it mentioned in short biographies). Half of the section, really ... <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:81.250.60.215&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:81.250.60.215 (page does not exist)">81.250.60.215</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-81.250.60.215-2007-07-18T15:42:00.000Z-Osirak_&_Saddam" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-81.250.60.215-2007-07-18T15:42:00.000Z-Osirak_&_Saddam"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-81.250.60.215-2007-07-18T15:42:00.000Z-Osirak_&_Saddam"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Y-2007-07-18T15:43:00.000Z-81.250.60.215-2007-07-18T15:42:00.000Z"></span>Reverted again. Hold a discussion and achieve consensus before removing a chunk of sourced text. -- <b><a href="/wiki/User:Y" title="User:Y">Y</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Y" title="User talk:Y">not?</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Y-2007-07-18T15:43:00.000Z-81.250.60.215-2007-07-18T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 18 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Y-2007-07-18T15:43:00.000Z-81.250.60.215-2007-07-18T15:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Y-2007-07-18T15:43:00.000Z-81.250.60.215-2007-07-18T15:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-81.250.60.215-2007-07-18T16:19:00.000Z-Y-2007-07-18T15:43:00.000Z"></span>So if WP has room enough for every warm word of welcome given in the past to a current dictator, no problemo. The articles will be a little crowded, though. Is there anybody who dissents with the suppression of Chirac's address to Saddam (I didn't remove the Osirak affair itself, which has much more impact) ? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:81.250.60.215&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:81.250.60.215 (page does not exist)">81.250.60.215</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-81.250.60.215-2007-07-18T16:19:00.000Z-Y-2007-07-18T15:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-81.250.60.215-2007-07-18T16:19:00.000Z-Y-2007-07-18T15:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-81.250.60.215-2007-07-18T16:19:00.000Z-Y-2007-07-18T15:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarah-2007-07-18T20:24:00.000Z-Osirak_&_Saddam"></span>81, I disagree with your removal of "The Osirak Controversy" section. This was not simply a "warm word of welcome given in the past to a current dictator", this appeared to be an ongoing relationship which resulted in significant financial deals, sales of nuclear reactors and significant military sales ("It is reckoned that during the 1980s, 40% of France's arms exports went to Iraq") and with both Chirac and Saddam referring to each other as "Dear friends". Of course, it is true, that at the time Saddam had warm relations with many world leaders. For example, as noted by the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3324053.stm">BBC News</a>, Donald Rumsfeld was another Western political figure with question marks over his head concerning his dealings with Saddam. Certainly, <a href="/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld" title="Donald Rumsfeld">Donald Rumsfeld</a>'s article includes an image of him meeting on what appears to be friendly terms with Saddam in 1983 and a section detailing the meeting and the fact that Rumsfeld "brought many gifts from the Reagan administration. These gifts included pistols, medieval spiked hammers even a pair of golden cowboy spurs". To include this kind of information is not unique to the Chirac article. </p><p>If you feel that there is an undue weight issue, then please, feel free to write more about Chirac's period as Prime Minister between 1974–76. However, the relationship which developed between Chirac and Hussein during that period has been discussed extensively in the worldwide media. I understand you are French, or that you live in France, and it is possible that you are not fully aware of the extensive international news media's coverage of Chirac's relationship with Saddam when he threatened to use France's veto in the UN Security Council and in the lead up to and in the immediate aftermath of the war. I feel Y was correct to revert your removal of this section, but I would encourage you to consider writing more about Chirac's period as PM. Also, please note that the English Wikipedia does not take its lead from the French Wikipedia. That the French Wikipedians have chosen not to write about this is of no consequence to en-WP, nor is the coverage in other biographies you may have read. Though, I can tell you that if you google both names together, you will find thousands of articles which reference their relationships. As well, Chirac was questioned directly by the Western media on numerous occasions and there are various transcripts of these interviews available on the internet. <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarah" title="User talk:Sarah">Sarah</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Sarah-2007-07-18T20:24:00.000Z-Osirak_&_Saddam" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 18 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarah-2007-07-18T20:24:00.000Z-Osirak_&_Saddam"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarah-2007-07-18T20:24:00.000Z-Osirak_&_Saddam"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-81.250.60.215-2007-07-18T21:41:00.000Z-Sarah-2007-07-18T20:24:00.000Z"></span>There are two points to discuss : removal of a section title, which after all was a bad idea, at least at the moment (there is no other section yet, so let's see). The removal of the quotation is what matters most.</dd> <dd>As a day-to-day reader of UK and US press, I'm quite aware of Chirac's depiction here and there. I also disagree with the extensive treatment of the Saddam - Rumsfeld relation during the Reagan era. In both cases, the stress put on things higly insignificant per se worries me. Just to show the issue is not americano/franco-philia/phobia, Rumsfeld's relations with Saddam are also dealt with very briefly in fr:. I believe we have different views about "notability" and "trivia". I feel that accumulation of noise does not make music. Moreover, in both cases, the <b>choice</b> of stressing unimportant things, without the slightest intent of giving the general background (how many world leaders have been called "friends" by Chirac ? it would be shorter to list those that haven't, I believe) seems POV to me. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:81.250.60.215&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:81.250.60.215 (page does not exist)">81.250.60.215</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-81.250.60.215-2007-07-18T21:41:00.000Z-Sarah-2007-07-18T20:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-81.250.60.215-2007-07-18T21:41:00.000Z-Sarah-2007-07-18T20:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-81.250.60.215-2007-07-18T21:41:00.000Z-Sarah-2007-07-18T20:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-201.17.96.214-2008-01-08T08:09:00.000Z-Osirak_&_Saddam"></span>I do not like Chirac, he was a corrupt president, but I am not sure the American people hate him for good reasons. I think this section is misleading. One could believe that these France-Iraq deals are the reason of Chirac's opposition to the second gulf war. It should be put into context: France sold about $12 bn worth logistics/weapons from 1974 to 1988, while only from 1984 to 1987 the Reagan adm. provided Saddam with $40 bn aid to buy logistics/weapons and sent him $billions more to keep him away from the Russians. The arms were bought indifferently from the US, UK, France, Russia. (see <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_hussein">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_hussein</a>, and details in the National Security Archive <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/">http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/</a>) while the French provided a nuclear plant, the Americans provided chemical weapons... what is worse...? tie? There is no mention of all this in the Reagan biography (why ?) Therefore one could think that France was the main, or worse, the only weapons supplier (it was the main supplier... after the US and Russia !). I think we should add a paralel of this section in the Reagan Bio, if not, recall here that Saddam had even more military help from the US and particularly the Reagan adm. </p><p>One should also recall that in 1990 Chirac strongly backed the US and the first Gulf War and the dismantle of saddam's regime. He regretted that Europe had not a stronger stance against Saddam Hussein after the invasion of Kuwait (see for instance "Jacques Chirac : une certaine absence de l’Europe", Georges Suffert, Interview de Jacques Chirac, Le Figaro 12&13 janvier 1990, page 6). Now you can quote the seemingly friendly words of Chirac to Saddam in 1975. But remember that in French diplomacy, you have to use "cher ami" (dear friend) for an ally, whoever he is, since in French "ami" (ally/friend) is the natural opposite of "ennemi" (enemy). And of course Saddam was considered an ally by the US, France, UK...against Iran. </p><p>Sarah: of course if you google it, you will find thousands of articles about a "saddam-chirac friendship", as well as thousands articles saying that the french have forgotten what the US did in WW1&2. Now come back to reality: these articles were all written after 2003 by Americans/Australians (international coverage, eh ? The same journalists would try to prove there were WMDs in Iraq). Of course, if you go to France and ask around you (as I did), everybody still remembers that the US freed them twice. Similarly, looking back at the unclassified docs of National Security Archive and at the news coverage in the 1980s, it seems that the Reagan-Saddam ties were stronger in 1986 than the Saddam-Chirac ties ever were in 1975 (when Saddam was not yet the dictator and the mass murderer he became a few years later). </p><p>In conclusion, Chirac had corruption scandals, which has to be strongly emphasized. But when it comes to Iraq, you cannot pick a few facts here and there and forget others, in order to suggest that he supported Saddam's dictatorship more than everybody else in the western world. What Chirac said about Saddam during first Gulf war say it all. Either say nothing, or say everything. ɝ <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/201.17.96.214" title="Special:Contributions/201.17.96.214">201.17.96.214</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:201.17.96.214&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:201.17.96.214 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-201.17.96.214-2008-01-08T08:09:00.000Z-Osirak_&_Saddam" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-201.17.96.214-2008-01-08T08:09:00.000Z-Osirak_&_Saddam"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-201.17.96.214-2008-01-08T08:09:00.000Z-Osirak_&_Saddam"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-171.192.0.10-2008-05-23T10:49:00.000Z-Osirak_&_Saddam"></span>Chirac "used personal relations" to get his army commission and posting to Algeria. Does this mean he "used his relatives' influence" or he "used personal connections (with people who presumably weren't relatives)"? Probably not written by a native English speaker - somebody who knows the answer should correct it. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/171.192.0.10" title="Special:Contributions/171.192.0.10">171.192.0.10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:171.192.0.10" title="User talk:171.192.0.10">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-171.192.0.10-2008-05-23T10:49:00.000Z-Osirak_&_Saddam" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-171.192.0.10-2008-05-23T10:49:00.000Z-Osirak_&_Saddam"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-171.192.0.10-2008-05-23T10:49:00.000Z-Osirak_&_Saddam"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bot_report_:_Found_duplicate_references_!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bot_report_:_Found_duplicate_references_!-2008-08-08T09:27:00.000Z"><span id="Bot_report_:_Found_duplicate_references_.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bot_report_:_Found_duplicate_references_!-2008-08-08T09:27:00.000Z"></span>Bot report : Found duplicate references !<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bot_report_:_Found_duplicate_references_!-2008-08-08T09:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Bot report : Found duplicate references !"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DumZiBoT-2008-08-08T09:27:00.000Z-Bot_report_:_Found_duplicate_references_!"></span>In <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?useskin=monobook&title=Jacques_Chirac&redirect=no&oldid=229400560">the last revision I edited</a>, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) </p> <ul><li>"Smith" : <ul><li> "Naufrage de la [[Françafrique]] — Le président a poursuivi une politique privilégiant les hommes forts au pouvoir.", [[Stephen Smith]] in ''[[L'Histoire]]'' n°313, October 2006 (special issue on Chirac), p.70 {{fr icon}} </li> <li>"Naufrage de la [[Françafrique]] — Le président a poursuivi une politique privilégiant les hommes forts au pouvoir.", [[Stephen Smith]] in ''[[L'Histoire]]'' n°313, October 2006 (special issue on Chirac), p.70 {{fr icon}}</li></ul></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:DumZiBoT" title="User:DumZiBoT">DumZiBoT</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DumZiBoT" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:DumZiBoT">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-DumZiBoT-2008-08-08T09:27:00.000Z-Bot_report_:_Found_duplicate_references_!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DumZiBoT-2008-08-08T09:27:00.000Z-Bot_report_:_Found_duplicate_references_!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DumZiBoT-2008-08-08T09:27:00.000Z-Bot_report_:_Found_duplicate_references_!"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="My_cleanup" data-mw-thread-id="h-My_cleanup-2008-09-05T03:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-My_cleanup-2008-09-05T03:46:00.000Z"></span>My cleanup<span data-mw-comment-end="h-My_cleanup-2008-09-05T03:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: My cleanup"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ohconfucius-2008-09-05T03:46:00.000Z-My_cleanup"></span>As part of my cleanup iof the article, I have today removed the quote by Chirac expressing his admiration foe Saddam. I feel that this is not directly relevant to the narrative of Chirac's biography; his friendship is already well described in the article. Chirac's comments are part of the flowery diplomatic niceties permitted of a French president, and I am certain many examples of his expression of admiration of other leaders exist, and is thus no reason for inclusion of any such quotes in this article. <a href="/wiki/User:Ohconfucius" title="User:Ohconfucius">Ohconfucius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ohconfucius" title="User talk:Ohconfucius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Ohconfucius-2008-09-05T03:46:00.000Z-My_cleanup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ohconfucius-2008-09-05T03:46:00.000Z-My_cleanup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ohconfucius-2008-09-05T03:46:00.000Z-My_cleanup"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JanvonBismarck-2010-06-03T18:56:00.000Z-My_cleanup"></span>I agree. This was most likely just diplomatic niceties. And such a reference would need to be put in context vis-a-vis Western support for Iraq against Iran at that time to avoid violating NPOV. <a href="/wiki/User:JanvonBismarck" title="User:JanvonBismarck">JanvonBismarck</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JanvonBismarck" title="User talk:JanvonBismarck">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-JanvonBismarck-2010-06-03T18:56:00.000Z-My_cleanup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 3 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JanvonBismarck-2010-06-03T18:56:00.000Z-My_cleanup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JanvonBismarck-2010-06-03T18:56:00.000Z-My_cleanup"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Freemason" data-mw-thread-id="h-Freemason-2009-05-17T20:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Freemason-2009-05-17T20:12:00.000Z"></span>Freemason<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Freemason-2009-05-17T20:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Freemason"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jayen466-2009-05-17T20:12:00.000Z-Freemason"></span>I came across a couple of sources today saying that Chirac is a Mason. One is here: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&um=1&q=%22chirac+is+himself+a+mason%22&btnG=Search+Books">[2]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0NO1AAAAIAAJ&q=%22chirac+is+himself+a+mason%22&dq=%22chirac+is+himself+a+mason%22&client=firefox-a&pgis=1">[3]</a>, the other is <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0764597965/ref=sib_rdr_dp">[4]</a>, page 86. Any objection to including that information? <a href="/wiki/User:Jayen466" title="User:Jayen466"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Jayen</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jayen466" title="User talk:Jayen466"><i style="color:#FFBF00;">466</i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Jayen466-2009-05-17T20:12:00.000Z-Freemason" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jayen466-2009-05-17T20:12:00.000Z-Freemason"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jayen466-2009-05-17T20:12:00.000Z-Freemason"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jayen466-2009-05-17T20:28:00.000Z-Jayen466-2009-05-17T20:12:00.000Z"></span>Actually, let's hold our horses; there is some dispute about that, see <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.lepoint.fr/actualites-politique/2007-01-19/chirac-et-les-francs-macons/917/0/50046">[5]</a>. Needs a bit more research on how to formulate this, if we include something about it. <a href="/wiki/User:Jayen466" title="User:Jayen466"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Jayen</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jayen466" title="User talk:Jayen466"><i style="color:#FFBF00;">466</i></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Jayen466-2009-05-17T20:28:00.000Z-Jayen466-2009-05-17T20:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jayen466-2009-05-17T20:28:00.000Z-Jayen466-2009-05-17T20:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jayen466-2009-05-17T20:28:00.000Z-Jayen466-2009-05-17T20:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Heavy_smoker" data-mw-thread-id="h-Heavy_smoker-2011-07-12T20:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Heavy_smoker-2011-07-12T20:47:00.000Z"></span>Heavy smoker<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Heavy_smoker-2011-07-12T20:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Heavy smoker"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-92.7.28.205-2011-07-12T20:47:00.000Z-Heavy_smoker"></span>I think the article should mention the fact that Chirac was a chain smoker until the late 1980s, since this is almost certainly what caused his stroke in 2005. (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.7.28.205" title="Special:Contributions/92.7.28.205">92.7.28.205</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:92.7.28.205&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:92.7.28.205 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-92.7.28.205-2011-07-12T20:47:00.000Z-Heavy_smoker" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 12 July 2011 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-92.7.28.205-2011-07-12T20:47:00.000Z-Heavy_smoker"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-92.7.28.205-2011-07-12T20:47:00.000Z-Heavy_smoker"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Opinion_on_hijab?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Opinion_on_hijab?-2013-10-11T11:07:00.000Z"><span id="Opinion_on_hijab.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Opinion_on_hijab?-2013-10-11T11:07:00.000Z"></span>Opinion on hijab?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Opinion_on_hijab?-2013-10-11T11:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Opinion on hijab?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bladesmulti-2013-10-11T11:07:00.000Z-Opinion_on_hijab?"></span>This title should be changed as well as the whole section should be re-written. This section makes him look like he's anti-islamic. But for real, not only hijab has been banned under his rule, also turbans are banned,<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16547479">[6]</a> which serve religious, traditional importance towards millions of people. <a href="/wiki/User:Bladesmulti" title="User:Bladesmulti">Bladesmulti</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bladesmulti" title="User talk:Bladesmulti">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Bladesmulti-2013-10-11T11:07:00.000Z-Opinion_on_hijab?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:07, 11 October 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bladesmulti-2013-10-11T11:07:00.000Z-Opinion_on_hijab?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bladesmulti-2013-10-11T11:07:00.000Z-Opinion_on_hijab?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Roentgenium111-2014-08-20T14:44:00.000Z-Bladesmulti-2013-10-11T11:07:00.000Z"></span>The section is indeed not very reliably sourced. But its first three sentences (if they can be reliably sourced) do give his opinion on hijabs, which is independent of the wording of the 2004 law. (Note that the law, as mentioned in the linked BBC article, only bans religious clothings in public schools - the law is no stricter than the anti-hijab law in (pre-Erdogan) islamic Turkey.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Roentgenium111" title="User:Roentgenium111">Roentgenium111</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Roentgenium111" title="User talk:Roentgenium111">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Roentgenium111-2014-08-20T14:44:00.000Z-Bladesmulti-2013-10-11T11:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 20 August 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Roentgenium111-2014-08-20T14:44:00.000Z-Bladesmulti-2013-10-11T11:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Roentgenium111-2014-08-20T14:44:00.000Z-Bladesmulti-2013-10-11T11:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Opinion_on_Hijab" data-mw-thread-id="h-Opinion_on_Hijab-2014-08-31T01:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Opinion_on_Hijab-2014-08-31T01:48:00.000Z"></span>Opinion on Hijab<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Opinion_on_Hijab-2014-08-31T01:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Opinion on Hijab"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-69.14.38.40-2014-08-31T01:48:00.000Z-Opinion_on_Hijab"></span>I decided to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLD</a> and delete this section. It is unreferenced, but deals with a controversial topic that could damage Chirac's image to certain readers. In that vein, it either has to be solidly verified or it should be gone. Plus, it is just tagged in there and doesn't fit in any way with the flow of the article, like an afterthought. If solid, reliable sources can be found to verify that Chirac is against the wearing of islamic headwear, then it can be readded in the article in a better way that better flows. (I do understand that Islamiphobia is rather widespread in France right now). Until then I felt that removing this section was necessary per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">WP:BLP</a>. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.14.38.40" title="Special:Contributions/69.14.38.40">69.14.38.40</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:69.14.38.40" title="User talk:69.14.38.40">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-69.14.38.40-2014-08-31T01:48:00.000Z-Opinion_on_Hijab" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:48, 31 August 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-69.14.38.40-2014-08-31T01:48:00.000Z-Opinion_on_Hijab"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-69.14.38.40-2014-08-31T01:48:00.000Z-Opinion_on_Hijab"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="External_links_modified" data-mw-thread-id="h-External_links_modified-2015-08-28T02:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-External_links_modified-2015-08-28T02:39:00.000Z"></span>External links modified<span data-mw-comment-end="h-External_links_modified-2015-08-28T02:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: External links modified"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cyberbot_II-2015-08-28T02:39:00.000Z-External_links_modified"></span>Hello fellow Wikipedians, </p><p>I have just added archive links to one external link on <a href="/wiki/Jacques_Chirac" title="Jacques Chirac">Jacques Chirac</a>. 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id="h-Recent_deaths:_not_fit_for_mainspace?-2019-09-27T21:15:00.000Z"></span>Recent deaths: not fit for mainspace?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Recent_deaths:_not_fit_for_mainspace?-2019-09-27T21:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Recent deaths: not fit for mainspace?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#RD/Blurb:_Jacques_Chirac" title="Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:15:00.000Z-Recent_deaths:_not_fit_for_mainspace?"></span>Here</a> is a discussion/!voting showing that editors find this article missing quality, to be linked from from main page (Recent deaths). Whatever, I invite each and every editor to <i>improve this article</i> to make it acceptable (even while we don't know what that standard is, I add cynically). -<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DePiep" title="User talk:DePiep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:15:00.000Z-Recent_deaths:_not_fit_for_mainspace?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:15, 27 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:15:00.000Z-Recent_deaths:_not_fit_for_mainspace?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:15:00.000Z-Recent_deaths:_not_fit_for_mainspace?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Class-B" data-mw-thread-id="h-Class-B-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Class-B-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z"></span>Class-B<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Class-B-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Class-B"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z-Class-B"></span>I have upgraded this article to class-B <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&type=revision&diff=918274120&oldid=918272918&diffmode=source">[7]</a>. See also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ASSESS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ASSESS">WP:ASSESS</a>. Those who wish to challege this, are invited to discuss. IOM, this implies the article is suitable for mainspace linking (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ITNRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ITNRD">WP:ITNRD</a>). -<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DePiep" title="User talk:DePiep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z-Class-B" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 27 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z-Class-B"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z-Class-B"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-STSC-2019-09-27T22:01:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z"></span>I think you need to clear those 2 orange tags on the sections before the article can be posted in ITN. <a href="/wiki/User:STSC" title="User:STSC">STSC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:STSC" title="User talk:STSC">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-STSC-2019-09-27T22:01:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 27 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-STSC-2019-09-27T22:01:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-STSC-2019-09-27T22:01:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DePiep-2019-09-27T22:54:00.000Z-STSC-2019-09-27T22:01:00.000Z"></span>class-B says: " without major problems but requires some further work". Two tags in forty sections: within limits, I say. BTW, you too can remove those. -<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DePiep" title="User talk:DePiep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-DePiep-2019-09-27T22:54:00.000Z-STSC-2019-09-27T22:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 27 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DePiep-2019-09-27T22:54:00.000Z-STSC-2019-09-27T22:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DePiep-2019-09-27T22:54:00.000Z-STSC-2019-09-27T22:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-STSC-2019-09-27T23:08:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-27T22:54:00.000Z"></span>But orange tags are not acceptable for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ITN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ITN">ITN</a>. Yes, I would help if I have the time. <a href="/wiki/User:STSC" title="User:STSC">STSC</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:STSC" title="User talk:STSC">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-STSC-2019-09-27T23:08:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-27T22:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 27 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-STSC-2019-09-27T23:08:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-27T22:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-STSC-2019-09-27T23:08:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-27T22:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Muboshgu-2019-09-28T02:02:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z"></span>DePiep</a>, oh, so it was <i>you</i> who rated this a B. How convenient. – <a href="/wiki/User:Muboshgu" title="User:Muboshgu">Muboshgu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Muboshgu#top" title="User talk:Muboshgu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Muboshgu-2019-09-28T02:02:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:02, 28 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Muboshgu-2019-09-28T02:02:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Muboshgu-2019-09-28T02:02:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ad_Orientem-2019-09-28T03:59:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z"></span>Oppose Class B</b> Referencing for an article about such an important figure is extremely poor. This article is not even close to B quality. -<a href="/wiki/User:Ad_Orientem" title="User:Ad Orientem">Ad Orientem</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ad_Orientem" title="User talk:Ad Orientem">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Ad_Orientem-2019-09-28T03:59:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:59, 28 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ad_Orientem-2019-09-28T03:59:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ad_Orientem-2019-09-28T03:59:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-27T21:30:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ad_Orientem-2019-09-28T04:06:00.000Z-Ad_Orientem-2019-09-28T03:59:00.000Z"></span>I have reverted the ratings to C class. This article is going to need a lot of work to get to B. -<a href="/wiki/User:Ad_Orientem" title="User:Ad Orientem">Ad Orientem</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ad_Orientem" title="User talk:Ad Orientem">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-Ad_Orientem-2019-09-28T04:06:00.000Z-Ad_Orientem-2019-09-28T03:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:06, 28 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ad_Orientem-2019-09-28T04:06:00.000Z-Ad_Orientem-2019-09-28T03:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ad_Orientem-2019-09-28T04:06:00.000Z-Ad_Orientem-2019-09-28T03:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T06:08:00.000Z-Class-B"></span>Definitely not B-class, not that it really means anything when it counts for adherence to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">WP:BLP</a>. If <a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (or anyone else for that matter) is keen to get the article to B-class (a noble pursuit) and keen to get it posted at RD (also, a noble pursuit), they should, as a minimum, address the <b>dozens of unreferenced claims</b> in the article. Until that's fixed, we have a very poor C-lass article with multiple BLP violations which is <u><i>completely unsuitable</i></u> for the Main Page. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">Staying alive since 2005!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T06:08:00.000Z-Class-B" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:08, 28 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T06:08:00.000Z-Class-B"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T06:08:00.000Z-Class-B"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DePiep-2019-09-28T09:15:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T06:08:00.000Z"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">They should ...</q> -- Why not "someone", or "we"? -<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DePiep" title="User talk:DePiep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-DePiep-2019-09-28T09:15:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T06:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 28 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DePiep-2019-09-28T09:15:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T06:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DePiep-2019-09-28T09:15:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T06:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T18:05:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-28T09:15:00.000Z"></span>What are you talking about? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">Staying alive since 2005!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T18:05:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-28T09:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:05, 28 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T18:05:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-28T09:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T18:05:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-28T09:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DePiep-2019-09-28T20:45:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T18:05:00.000Z"></span>You, <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">User:The Rambling Man</a>, wrote <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jacques_Chirac&diff=918343515&oldid=918330009&diffmode=source">[8]</a> (bolding added): <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">If [x] is keen to get the article to B-class ... and keen to get it posted at RD ... <b>they should</b> ... address the dozens of unreferenced claims in the article</q>. My response was, of course: why not you yourself? -<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DePiep" title="User talk:DePiep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-DePiep-2019-09-28T20:45:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T18:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 28 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DePiep-2019-09-28T20:45:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T18:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DePiep-2019-09-28T20:45:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T18:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T21:21:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-28T20:45:00.000Z"></span>What? <a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> I think you're missing the whole point of this project, but I may be wrong of course. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">Staying alive since 2005!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T21:21:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-28T20:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 28 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T21:21:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-28T20:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T21:21:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-28T20:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DePiep-2019-09-28T21:29:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T21:21:00.000Z"></span>The Rambling Man</a> I have quoted your posts literaly. That is not about <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">missing the whole point</q>, it is replying to your actual posts here. You <i>did</i> write that "<i>someone else</i>" should edit, not "<i>we</i>". Is what I pointed out. -<a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">DePiep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DePiep" title="User talk:DePiep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-DePiep-2019-09-28T21:29:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T21:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:29, 28 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DePiep-2019-09-28T21:29:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T21:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DePiep-2019-09-28T21:29:00.000Z-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T21:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T22:24:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-28T21:29:00.000Z"></span>DePiep</a> sorry, let me be "more clearer". THERE IS NO OBLIGATION FOR ANY OF US TO UPDATE/FIX/RESOLVE ISSUES WITH AN ARTICLE THAT FAILS TO MEET POLICY. Is that clear enough? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Rambling_Man" title="User:The Rambling Man">The Rambling Man</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Rambling_Man" title="User talk:The Rambling Man">Staying alive since 2005!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Chirac#c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T22:24:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-28T21:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 28 September 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Rambling_Man-2019-09-28T22:24:00.000Z-DePiep-2019-09-28T21:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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