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href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_8" title="User talk:Novem Linguae/Archive 8">Archive 8</a></td><td><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_9" title="User talk:Novem Linguae/Archive 9">Archive 9</a></td><td><span style="font-size:115%;"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Archive 10</a></span></td><td><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_11" title="User talk:Novem Linguae/Archive 11">Archive 11</a></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="WP:LTA/BMX" data-mw-thread-id="h-WP:LTA/BMX-20240320080600"><span id="WP:LTA.2FBMX"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WP:LTA/BMX-20240320080600"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LTA/BMX" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LTA/BMX">WP:LTA/BMX</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-WP:LTA/BMX-20240320080600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kleshkreikne-20240320080600-WP:LTA/BMX"></span>Hi. I just wanted to know the reason why you restored the page all over again. After a discussion in <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Blakegripling_ph" title="User talk:Blakegripling ph">this talk page</a> it would be better to blank off this page completely. Keeping the LTA page in my opinion wouldn’t even help with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DENY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DENY">WP:DENY</a>, as I might be worried that the vandalism would continue constantly if this were to happen. But in your opinion would it be better to leave the page alone or blank it completely. For me though it’s still better not to have an LTA page for this user. As if we were to have an LTA page it would get worse. <span style="font-family:'Monotype Corsiva'; color:black; background-color:#f5a500;"><i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Kleshkreikne" title="User:Kleshkreikne">kleshkreikne.</a></b></i></span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kleshkreikne" title="User talk:Kleshkreikne">T</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Kleshkreikne-20240320080600-WP:LTA/BMX" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kleshkreikne-20240320080600-WP:LTA/BMX"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kleshkreikne-20240320080600-WP:LTA/BMX"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240320081500-Kleshkreikne-20240320080600"></span>Hey there. We have those LTA pages for a reason. I imagine that reason is to educate experienced editors and vandal fighters about our regular LTAs. Not much education will be taking place if the page is blank. Are you sure it is a good idea to be messing with these pages? Do you have enough experience to be blanking these LTA pages without discussion on the talk page? A quick perusal of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:LTA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:LTA">WT:LTA</a> shows that the practice of blanking LTA talk pages is controversial, for example, the second comment in the section <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Long-term_abuse#Archives_AWB_run" title="Wikipedia talk:Long-term abuse">Wikipedia talk:Long-term abuse#Archives AWB run</a>. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240320081500-Kleshkreikne-20240320080600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:15, 20 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240320081500-Kleshkreikne-20240320080600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240320081500-Kleshkreikne-20240320080600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kleshkreikne-20240320084500-Novem_Linguae-20240320081500"></span>So one of my fellow editors who was the one who dealt with the MRY thing decided to blank the whole thing off because of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DENY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DENY">WP:DENY</a>. You should take a look at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LTA/MRY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LTA/MRY">WP:LTA/MRY</a> to see why he blanked it on purpose. For me though I think it might’ve been guaranteed, but it didn’t work. Every LTA is different. You should leave a message on the one who blanked the whole LTA page as to why it’s not worth it. I’m not trying to be mean to the vandal but I just wanted to prevent additional disruption from taking place, so I had to blank it. <span style="font-family:'Monotype Corsiva'; color:black; background-color:#f5a500;"><i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Kleshkreikne" title="User:Kleshkreikne">kleshkreikne.</a></b></i></span> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kleshkreikne" title="User talk:Kleshkreikne">T</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Kleshkreikne-20240320084500-Novem_Linguae-20240320081500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kleshkreikne-20240320084500-Novem_Linguae-20240320081500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kleshkreikne-20240320084500-Novem_Linguae-20240320081500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20240324201500-Kleshkreikne-20240320084500"></span>Hard to believe you've only been editing for three weeks. Most editors don't even know about LTA pages. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Liz-20240324201500-Kleshkreikne-20240320084500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20240324201500-Kleshkreikne-20240320084500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20240324201500-Kleshkreikne-20240320084500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aza24-20240325025400-Liz-20240324201500"></span>Maybe they were inspired by <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twHFPMoJNXE">this video</a> (overview of LTAs on WP) to join? <b><span style="font-family:Lucida;"><a href="/wiki/User:Aza24" title="User:Aza24"><span style="color:darkred">Aza24</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aza24" title="User talk:Aza24"><span style="color:#848484"> (talk)</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Aza24-20240325025400-Liz-20240324201500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:54, 25 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aza24-20240325025400-Liz-20240324201500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aza24-20240325025400-Liz-20240324201500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="MMS" data-mw-thread-id="h-MMS-20240330002000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-MMS-20240330002000"></span>MMS<span data-mw-comment-end="h-MMS-20240330002000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vanderwaalforces-20240330002000-MMS"></span>Hello NL, hope you're feeling okay. Could you please change the content model of this page <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Nigeria/MMS_list" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Nigeria/MMS list">Wikipedia:WikiProject Nigeria/MMS list</a> to enable mass message sender-ish list? <a href="/wiki/User:Vanderwaalforces" title="User:Vanderwaalforces">Vanderwaalforces</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vanderwaalforces" title="User talk:Vanderwaalforces">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Vanderwaalforces-20240330002000-MMS" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:20, 30 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vanderwaalforces-20240330002000-MMS"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vanderwaalforces-20240330002000-MMS"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vanderwaalforces-20240330002800-Vanderwaalforces-20240330002000"></span>I actually would love to take <a href="/wiki/User:Celestina007/Mailinglist/WP_NIGERIA" title="User:Celestina007/Mailinglist/WP NIGERIA">User:Celestina007/Mailinglist/WP NIGERIA</a> (a list compiled by a very proficient user who later left), to this page I mentioned above, don't know if it makes sense to just move it there, or better, change the content model of this one to Mass message delivery list. <a href="/wiki/User:Vanderwaalforces" title="User:Vanderwaalforces">Vanderwaalforces</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vanderwaalforces" title="User talk:Vanderwaalforces">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Vanderwaalforces-20240330002800-Vanderwaalforces-20240330002000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vanderwaalforces-20240330002800-Vanderwaalforces-20240330002000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vanderwaalforces-20240330002800-Vanderwaalforces-20240330002000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240330030800-Vanderwaalforces-20240330002800"></span>Hey @<a href="/wiki/User:Vanderwaalforces" title="User:Vanderwaalforces">Vanderwaalforces</a>. I don't think we should move it from out of someone's userspace without permission. I'll change the content model and copy paste the contents for you. That should do the trick I think :) –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240330030800-Vanderwaalforces-20240330002800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:08, 30 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240330030800-Vanderwaalforces-20240330002800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240330030800-Vanderwaalforces-20240330002800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vanderwaalforces-20240330060100-Novem_Linguae-20240330030800"></span>Great! I see you’ve done it. Thank you so much. <a href="/wiki/User:Vanderwaalforces" title="User:Vanderwaalforces">Vanderwaalforces</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vanderwaalforces" title="User talk:Vanderwaalforces">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Vanderwaalforces-20240330060100-Novem_Linguae-20240330030800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vanderwaalforces-20240330060100-Novem_Linguae-20240330030800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vanderwaalforces-20240330060100-Novem_Linguae-20240330030800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="NPP_Newsletter" data-mw-thread-id="h-NPP_Newsletter-20240330163300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-NPP_Newsletter-20240330163300"></span>NPP Newsletter<span data-mw-comment-end="h-NPP_Newsletter-20240330163300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240330163300-NPP_Newsletter"></span>Hello Novem, I hope you are doing well. I'm sorry to bother you with this message, but I just wanted to ask if you had a chance to review the newsletter draft. If not, there's no rush; I simply wanted to send a gentle reminder. Feel free to ignore this message. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-DreamRimmer-20240330163300-NPP_Newsletter" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240330163300-NPP_Newsletter"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240330163300-NPP_Newsletter"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240330170400-DreamRimmer-20240330163300"></span>Thanks. I made some edits just now. Can you check with me in a couple days for a final approval? That'll give time for another round of polishing. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240330170400-DreamRimmer-20240330163300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240330170400-DreamRimmer-20240330163300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240330170400-DreamRimmer-20240330163300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240330170900-Novem_Linguae-20240330170400"></span>Sure. It looks great after your edits. Thanks for polishing it up. – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-DreamRimmer-20240330170900-Novem_Linguae-20240330170400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240330170900-Novem_Linguae-20240330170400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240330170900-Novem_Linguae-20240330170400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DreamRimmer-20240402165900-DreamRimmer-20240330170900"></span>The NPP newsletter has been sent successfully. Could you please merge this <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Newsletter/Draft" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Newsletter/Draft">draft</a>'s edit history into <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Newsletter/Archive/34" title="Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Newsletter/Archive/34">Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Newsletter/Archive/34</a>? I accidentally copy-pasted content into the archive without moving the draft. Thanks in advance! – <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer"><b style="color:black; font-family: Tahoma">DreamRimmer</b></a> (<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DreamRimmer" title="User talk:DreamRimmer">talk</a></b>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-DreamRimmer-20240402165900-DreamRimmer-20240330170900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 2 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DreamRimmer-20240402165900-DreamRimmer-20240330170900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DreamRimmer-20240402165900-DreamRimmer-20240330170900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240402202800-DreamRimmer-20240402165900"></span>I G6'd the new archive 34 and moved the draft to 34, preserving the history. Should be all fixed. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240402202800-DreamRimmer-20240402165900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 2 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240402202800-DreamRimmer-20240402165900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240402202800-DreamRimmer-20240402165900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="von_der_Leyen" data-mw-thread-id="h-von_der_Leyen-20240403100200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-von_der_Leyen-20240403100200"></span>von der Leyen<span data-mw-comment-end="h-von_der_Leyen-20240403100200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JackTheSecond-20240403100200-von_der_Leyen"></span>Hey there, just fyi, it's now the third (similar) IP address making the same edits to the page on Ursula von der Leyen. Not that I think they are being malicious past being <i>outraged</i> and not fluent in the language, but I wanted to make sure you were aware. Similar edits, by similar IPs, have been rejected at the corresponding German page as well. <a href="/wiki/User:JackTheSecond" title="User:JackTheSecond">JackTheSecond</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JackTheSecond" title="User talk:JackTheSecond">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-JackTheSecond-20240403100200-von_der_Leyen" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JackTheSecond-20240403100200-von_der_Leyen"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JackTheSecond-20240403100200-von_der_Leyen"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240403100800-JackTheSecond-20240403100200"></span>Will keep this in mind. Thanks for the info. If they keep it up, may need a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFPP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFPP">WP:RFPP</a>. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240403100800-JackTheSecond-20240403100200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 3 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240403100800-JackTheSecond-20240403100200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240403100800-JackTheSecond-20240403100200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Billboard_and_other_sources" data-mw-thread-id="h-Billboard_and_other_sources-20240407205800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Billboard_and_other_sources-20240407205800"></span>Billboard and other sources<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Billboard_and_other_sources-20240407205800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240407205800-Billboard_and_other_sources"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235781174">.mw-parser-output .hmbox-outer{margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .hmbox-inner{display:inline-block;color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);margin-right:0.5em;padding:0.3em 0.5em}</style><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer resolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/20px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/30px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/40px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Moved to <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Scripts/CiteHighlighter#Billboard_and_other_sources" title="User talk:Novem Linguae/Scripts/CiteHighlighter">User talk:Novem Linguae/Scripts/CiteHighlighter § Billboard and other sources</a></div> – <span style="font-size: 85%">–<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240407205800-Billboard_and_other_sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240407205800-Billboard_and_other_sources"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240407205800-Billboard_and_other_sources"></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="harsh" data-mw-thread-id="h-harsh-20240408202700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-harsh-20240408202700"></span>harsh<span data-mw-comment-end="h-harsh-20240408202700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20240408202700-harsh"></span>I thought it sounded accurate . . . <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Deepfriedokra-20240408202700-harsh" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20240408202700-harsh"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20240408202700-harsh"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240408204000-Deepfriedokra-20240408202700"></span>I try to be polite. At least for now! :P –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240408204000-Deepfriedokra-20240408202700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 8 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240408204000-Deepfriedokra-20240408202700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240408204000-Deepfriedokra-20240408202700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="GoldenRing" data-mw-thread-id="h-GoldenRing-20240411080500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-GoldenRing-20240411080500"></span>GoldenRing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-GoldenRing-20240411080500"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Schwede66-20240411080500-GoldenRing"></span>Not sure how you define "last few years", but the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/GoldenRing" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/GoldenRing">2017 GoldenRing RfA</a> is imprinted into my memory. He had 2385 edits over 12 when he ran. It was an absolute stunner of a successful RfA. I'm posting here as I don't want to give TheTechie any wrong ideas. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Schwede66" title="User:Schwede66"><span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Schwede66" title="User talk:Schwede66"><span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Schwede66-20240411080500-GoldenRing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Schwede66-20240411080500-GoldenRing"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Schwede66-20240411080500-GoldenRing"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240411085900-Schwede66-20240411080500"></span>Good info, thank you. I think RFA culture has changed since 2017 though. No offense to GoldenRing, and I could be wrong, but I don't think he could pass in today's RFA culture. Also 88 opposes is brutal, so even if someone could pass with 2k edits, I'd still advise against them running so that they don't have a bad RFA experience. Hope that makes sense. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240411085900-Schwede66-20240411080500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240411085900-Schwede66-20240411080500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240411085900-Schwede66-20240411080500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_ARBECR_all_my_comments?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_ARBECR_all_my_comments?-20240412010300"><span id="Why_ARBECR_all_my_comments.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_ARBECR_all_my_comments?-20240412010300"></span>Why ARBECR all my comments?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_ARBECR_all_my_comments?-20240412010300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amyipdev-20240412010300-Why_ARBECR_all_my_comments?"></span>You recently closed all my discussions on a talk page (<a href="/wiki/Talk:2024_Israeli_bombing_of_the_Iranian_embassy_in_Damascus" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:2024 Israeli bombing of the Iranian embassy in Damascus">Talk:2024_Israeli_bombing_of_the_Iranian_embassy_in_Damascus</a>) for not being extended-confirmed. The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBECR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBECR">WP:ARBECR</a> page pretty clearly says that non-ECP users should still be allowed to contribute to the talk page unless they're being disruptive, which I wasn't. What's the deal here? <a href="/wiki/User:Amyipdev" title="User:Amyipdev">Amyipdev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amyipdev" title="User talk:Amyipdev">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Amyipdev-20240412010300-Why_ARBECR_all_my_comments?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amyipdev-20240412010300-Why_ARBECR_all_my_comments?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amyipdev-20240412010300-Why_ARBECR_all_my_comments?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240412020100-Amyipdev-20240412010300"></span>Hey @<a href="/wiki/User:Amyipdev" title="User:Amyipdev">Amyipdev</a>. Thanks for the message. If you read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBECR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBECR">WP:ARBECR</a> carefully, it essentially says that you can only use talk pages to make edit requests. You'll notice I didn't close the section where you made your edit request, but I did close the parts where you were not making an edit request. I hope that makes sense. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240412020100-Amyipdev-20240412010300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240412020100-Amyipdev-20240412010300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240412020100-Amyipdev-20240412010300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gimmethegepgun-20240415100200-Novem_Linguae-20240412020100"></span>Something I noticed regarding this is that the instructions on that talk page are different than the ones on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Flour_massacre" title="Talk:Flour massacre">Talk:Flour massacre</a>. The former uses <code>{{Contentious topics/talk notice|a-i}}</code> whereas the latter uses <code>{{ArbCom Arab-Israeli enforcement}}</code>, which is more expansive and includes the instructions for non-EC to only make edit requests --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Gimmethegepgun&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Gimmethegepgun (page does not exist)">Gimmethegepgun</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gimmethegepgun" title="User talk:Gimmethegepgun">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Gimmethegepgun-20240415100200-Novem_Linguae-20240412020100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gimmethegepgun-20240415100200-Novem_Linguae-20240412020100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gimmethegepgun-20240415100200-Novem_Linguae-20240412020100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Past_issues_with_the_citation_bot" data-mw-thread-id="h-Past_issues_with_the_citation_bot-20240421115600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Past_issues_with_the_citation_bot-20240421115600"></span>Past issues with the citation bot<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Past_issues_with_the_citation_bot-20240421115600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maxim_Masiutin-20240421115600-Past_issues_with_the_citation_bot"></span>Just wanted to inform you, no action is needed. </p><p>I refer to the discussion at <sup><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PermaLink/1213169367#User:Maxim_Masiutin">link</a></sup> in which you and <a href="/wiki/User:Hey_man_im_josh" title="User:Hey man im josh">User:Hey man im josh</a> participated. I had past issues with the citation bot that the version at <a class="external free" href="https://citations.toolforge.org/">https://citations.toolforge.org/</a> had bugs so I did run the bot from my account and it caused pollution of watchlist, and I was blocked for 1 hours and then it was an ANI but since that I contributed on Github to resolve the issues I had (mostly timeouts due to bad DOIs), and the author of the bot <a href="/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan" title="User:AManWithNoPlan">User:AManWithNoPlan</a> was very responsive, and now I mostly run the bot from <a class="external free" href="https://citations.toolforge.org/">https://citations.toolforge.org/</a> that is a bot account and it resolves all the issues that happened for me in the past. Using the bot from <a class="external free" href="https://citations.toolforge.org">https://citations.toolforge.org</a> should prevent recurrence of the the past troubles I had. When an editor will not like a particular behaviour (such as replacing {{Cite}} to {{cite}}, this will be compensated by consensus achieved via a bot feature approval process (although it may be a bad example as I never asked for such replacement to be approved, and I don't do these replacement any longer)). So following the right process is almost always a recipe for success. I am sorry that I did not follow the correct process from the beginning. <a href="/wiki/User:Maxim_Masiutin" title="User:Maxim Masiutin">Maxim Masiutin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maxim_Masiutin" title="User talk:Maxim Masiutin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Maxim_Masiutin-20240421115600-Past_issues_with_the_citation_bot" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maxim_Masiutin-20240421115600-Past_issues_with_the_citation_bot"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maxim_Masiutin-20240421115600-Past_issues_with_the_citation_bot"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240422084800-Maxim_Masiutin-20240421115600"></span>No problem. Sounds like it's all resolved now. Thank you for the message. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240422084800-Maxim_Masiutin-20240421115600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240422084800-Maxim_Masiutin-20240421115600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240422084800-Maxim_Masiutin-20240421115600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="My_user_script" data-mw-thread-id="h-My_user_script-20240425220400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-My_user_script-20240425220400"></span>My user script<span data-mw-comment-end="h-My_user_script-20240425220400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheTechie-20240425220400-My_user_script"></span>Hey, Novem Linguae. I hope this message finds you well. </p><p>You may remember that some time ago, you helped me on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VPT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VPT">VPT</a> about my <a href="/wiki/User:TheTechie/tut.js" title="User:TheTechie/tut.js">user script</a>. My user script is intended to make the lives of Wikipedians easier. As such, I would like some recommendations for features to implement in my user script. You can see the current (two) features <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TTUT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TTUT">here</a>. Please leave any feature requests for features that would help Wikipedians <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheTechie/UserTools" title="User talk:TheTechie/UserTools">here</a>. Thanks! <span style="font-family:monospace; font-weight: bold"><span style="color:ForestGreen"><a href="/wiki/User:TheTechie" title="User:TheTechie"><span style="color:Green">thetechie@enwiki</span></a></span>: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheTechie" title="User talk:TheTechie"><span style="MediumBlue">~/talk/</span></a> <span style="">$</span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-TheTechie-20240425220400-My_user_script" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 25 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheTechie-20240425220400-My_user_script"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheTechie-20240425220400-My_user_script"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240426021200-TheTechie-20240425220400"></span>Thanks for the message. I replied at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheTechie/UserTools#Re:_ideas" title="User talk:TheTechie/UserTools">User talk:TheTechie/UserTools#Re: ideas</a>. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240426021200-TheTechie-20240425220400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 26 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240426021200-TheTechie-20240425220400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240426021200-TheTechie-20240425220400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Minor_thing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Minor_thing-20240428104600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Minor_thing-20240428104600"></span>Minor thing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Minor_thing-20240428104600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usedtobecool-20240428104600-Minor_thing"></span>... but re: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrative_action_review&diff=prev&oldid=1221176692">this edit</a>, I think those were meant to be replies. In my read, the first is a reply to a call for a reblock, and the second is an endorsement of the reblock. Best,<span id="Usedtobecool:1714301216045:User_talkFTTCLNNovem_Linguae" class="FTTCmt"> — <b><a href="/wiki/User:Usedtobecool" title="User:Usedtobecool">Usedtobecool</a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usedtobecool" title="User talk:Usedtobecool">☎️</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Usedtobecool-20240428104600-Minor_thing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:46, 28 April 2024 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usedtobecool-20240428104600-Minor_thing"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usedtobecool-20240428104600-Minor_thing"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240428113500-Usedtobecool-20240428104600"></span>Sounds good. I self reverted. Thanks for being nice about it. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240428113500-Usedtobecool-20240428104600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:35, 28 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240428113500-Usedtobecool-20240428104600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240428113500-Usedtobecool-20240428104600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usedtobecool-20240428125200-Novem_Linguae-20240428113500"></span>Right back at you<span id="Usedtobecool:1714308762116:User_talkFTTCLNNovem_Linguae" class="FTTCmt"> — <b><a href="/wiki/User:Usedtobecool" title="User:Usedtobecool">Usedtobecool</a></b> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usedtobecool" title="User talk:Usedtobecool">☎️</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Usedtobecool-20240428125200-Novem_Linguae-20240428113500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usedtobecool-20240428125200-Novem_Linguae-20240428113500"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usedtobecool-20240428125200-Novem_Linguae-20240428113500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bot_not_promoting_GT" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bot_not_promoting_GT-20240429165200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bot_not_promoting_GT-20240429165200"></span>Bot not promoting GT<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bot_not_promoting_GT-20240429165200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZooBlazer-20240429165200-Bot_not_promoting_GT"></span>Hey, do you have any idea why the bot isn't promoting the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_and_good_topic_candidates/Avengers_films/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Avengers films/archive1">Avengers films</a> GT? It was marked for promotion last night. Is it because I moved the page of the nomination early in the process to change the name? -- <b><a href="/wiki/User:ZooBlazer" title="User:ZooBlazer"><span style="background:#E03A3E; color:#000000; padding:2px;">Zoo</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:ZooBlazer" title="User talk:ZooBlazer"><span style="background:#000000; color:#E03A3E; padding:2px;">Blazer</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-ZooBlazer-20240429165200-Bot_not_promoting_GT" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZooBlazer-20240429165200-Bot_not_promoting_GT"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZooBlazer-20240429165200-Bot_not_promoting_GT"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240430085200-ZooBlazer-20240429165200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ZooBlazer" title="User:ZooBlazer">ZooBlazer</a>. <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Pictogram_voting_keep.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/18px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/27px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg/36px-Pictogram_voting_keep.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></a></span><b> Fixed</b>. Sorry for the trouble. It was a bug unrelated to anything on your side. It wouldn't be a bot if it didn't break all the time ;-) –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240430085200-ZooBlazer-20240429165200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240430085200-ZooBlazer-20240429165200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240430085200-ZooBlazer-20240429165200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20240430112100"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20240430112100"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20240430112100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KylieTastic-20240430112100-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Vitruvian_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Vitruvian_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Vitruvian_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Vitruvian_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Vitruvian_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Vitruvian_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Vitruvian_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Technical Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">For your work on the various tools recently - much appreciated :) <a href="/wiki/User:KylieTastic" title="User:KylieTastic">KylieTastic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KylieTastic" title="User talk:KylieTastic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-KylieTastic-20240430112100-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KylieTastic-20240430112100-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KylieTastic-20240430112100-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240430113700-KylieTastic-20240430112100"></span>Thanks. It's been fun to explore and tune up this old tech. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240430113700-KylieTastic-20240430112100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:37, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240430113700-KylieTastic-20240430112100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240430113700-KylieTastic-20240430112100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_Cookie_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_Cookie_for_you!-20240430124200"><span id="A_Cookie_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_Cookie_for_you!-20240430124200"></span>A Cookie for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_Cookie_for_you!-20240430124200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Myrealnamm-20240430124200-A_Cookie_for_you!"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Choco_chip_cookie.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Choco_chip_cookie.png/100px-Choco_chip_cookie.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="70" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Choco_chip_cookie.png/150px-Choco_chip_cookie.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Choco_chip_cookie.png/200px-Choco_chip_cookie.png 2x" data-file-width="800" data-file-height="557"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Thanks for signing my guestbook! <a href="/wiki/User:Myrealnamm" title="User:Myrealnamm"><span style="color:#0085BD">My</span><span style="color:#ED7700">real</span><span style="color:#2A7E19">namm</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Myrealnamm" title="User talk:Myrealnamm">💬talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Myrealnamm" title="Special:Contributions/Myrealnamm">✏️contribs</a>) at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Myrealnamm-20240430124200-A_Cookie_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Myrealnamm-20240430124200-A_Cookie_for_you!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Myrealnamm-20240430124200-A_Cookie_for_you!"></span> </p> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Topic_Ban" data-mw-thread-id="h-Topic_Ban-20240411124700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Topic_Ban-20240411124700"></span>Topic Ban<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Topic_Ban-20240411124700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240411124700-Topic_Ban"></span>Could you please elaborate on what evidence that was presented that could possibly justify the topic ban you have imposed. There was a loud chorus of a group of editors calling for a sanction, who repeatedly restored the topic after it was archived. They presented accusations but didn't present any evidence to support those allegations. All were the same editors in a content dispute on Tim Hunt. </p><p><a class="external autonumber" href="https://sigma.toolforge.org/usersearch.py?name=Wee+Curry+Monster&page=Tim_Hunt&server=enwiki&max=">[1]</a> My contribution history on <a href="/wiki/Tim_Hunt" title="Tim Hunt">Tim Hunt</a>. 100% of it reverted. 0.7% of all contributions on the article. </p><p>Note: {{npov}} tag added 13 March 2024, single revert to restore. 25 March 2024 - one single edit adding context and information in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a>. </p><p>That is <i>all</i> of my contributions to the article. </p><p><a class="external autonumber" href="https://sigma.toolforge.org/usersearch.py?name=Wee+Curry+Monster&page=Talk%3ATim_Hunt&server=enwiki&max=">[2]</a> My contribution history on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Tim_Hunt" title="Talk:Tim Hunt">Talk:Tim Hunt</a>. </p><p>Note: 13 March 2024 - comment on NPOV tags, 17 March 2024 - Further comment, 25 March 2024 - Comment on revert of my contribution. I had not made any comment in talk since 12th February. </p><p>Since 12th February, I've made 3 comments in talk, 1 contribution to the article in total. This is hardly the actions of someone who can't drop the stick. </p><p>I was accused of forum shopping, I raised the issue once when {{npov}} tags were being removed by edit warring. Didn't reply for nearly a week, didn't rise to the bait of edit warring. </p><p>Only one editor made an accusation of not assuming good faith seemingly supported by a diff. That took a talk quote taken out of context, which was a response to <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AS_Marshall&diff=1213522530&oldid=1213355874">[3]</a>, where the editors responsible for the RFC indicate they do not feel the need to respond to the closer's comments. Reference to misogyny is not my comment but for example <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tim_Hunt&diff=prev&oldid=1204016425">[4]</a> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">he's just another misogynist</q>. </p><p>I don't accept that a topic ban was justified. No evidence was presented, mere accusations of involved editors are not sufficient to justify action; I presented clear evidence those accusations were unjustified. I have already given up editing the article because of the toxic nature of the discussion, have no intention of returning but an unjustified broadly construed topic ban would prevent me from writing in other areas. I am asking you to reconsider your decision, in the light of the lack of any evidence of misconduct. <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Wee_Curry_Monster" title="User:Wee Curry Monster">W</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wee_Curry_Monster" title="Special:Contributions/Wee Curry Monster">C</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wee_Curry_Monster" title="User talk:Wee Curry Monster">M</a></span><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Wee_Curry_Monster" title="Special:EmailUser/Wee Curry Monster">email</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240411124700-Topic_Ban" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240411124700-Topic_Ban"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240411124700-Topic_Ban"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240411140800-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240411124700"></span>Hey there. Thank you for your message, and I again apologize that I was the bearer of bad news.</dd> <dd>I believe the job of a discussion closer is to <b>summarize the discussion</b> (with some caveats, of course, such as discarding sockpuppet comments and comments that do not comply with policy, downweighting comments that are unconvincing or don't make sense, etc.), and I can see no other way to summarize that discussion than a consensus to topic ban. Anything else, in my opinion, would be supervoting. The consensus of the discussion was very clear.</dd> <dd>I spent about an hour closing the discussion, and another hour preparing this reply, and I am confident from the reading I did during these two activities that your behavior in the topic area bothered your fellow editors, caused friction that affected the collegial atmosphere, and should be adjusted.</dd> <dd>I believe it's OK to un-archive a section that needs closure. The community took the time to opine on the issue, and I believe they should be able to have a conclusion to that process.</dd> <dd>If we define involved as "participated in the RFC", then the following 3 editors who commented at the ANI were <b>un</b>involved: Lavalizard101, Aquillion, and Star Mississipi. Looks like the ANI did receive some non-involved participation, which is great. It appears these three did not choose to oppose the topic ban.</dd> <dd>Respectfully, –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240411140800-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240411124700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240411140800-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240411124700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240411140800-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240411124700"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240411155200-Novem_Linguae-20240411140800"></span>I'm sorry I can't accept your response and have requested a review at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">WP:AN</a>. Expressing legitimate concerns ref a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">WP:BLP</a> as mildly as I did should not engender the hostile response from those editors that it did. The collegial atmosphere was not disturbed by what I said, I'd entered an already toxic atmosphere where editors had adopted fixed positions, which is why I chose to disengage. As another editor noted <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I believe there are legitimate BLP concerns as well about the Hunt article, but after seeing the way Thomas B has been treated in this whole shameful debacle, I'm afraid to say anything for fear of proposals like this being thrown my way</q>. There was no real community input and if you can be topic banned for 4 edits, none of which violated any wiki norm you've created a chilling editing situation where mob rules apply. <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Wee_Curry_Monster" title="User:Wee Curry Monster">W</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wee_Curry_Monster" title="Special:Contributions/Wee Curry Monster">C</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wee_Curry_Monster" title="User talk:Wee Curry Monster">M</a></span><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Wee_Curry_Monster" title="Special:EmailUser/Wee Curry Monster">email</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240411155200-Novem_Linguae-20240411140800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240411155200-Novem_Linguae-20240411140800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240411155200-Novem_Linguae-20240411140800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240411155800-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240411155200"></span>Please be careful of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOOMERANG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOOMERANG">WP:BOOMERANG</a>. By posting at AN, you're probably engaging in the same behaviors that I talked about in the ANI close (<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">WP:DROPTHESTICK, WP:FORUMSHOPPING, and consuming large amounts of editor time</q>).</dd> <dd>With that said, I don't mind my actions being reviewed and I do not take it personally. I respect your decision. Good luck. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240411155800-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240411155200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240411155800-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240411155200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240411155800-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240411155200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-92.31.246.75-20240412175100-Novem_Linguae-20240411155800"></span>Hi Novem Linguae, I feel I owe a bit of explanation here. I feel that the freedom to be able to discuss is of paramount importance in Wikipedia. Without it, we are nothing, no article can change. I agree with your evaluation of the consensus to sanction WCM. But lynch mobs also have a strong consensus to sanction their victims. What I saw in ANI, both against Thomas B at the outset, and then with WCM, was a gerrymandering, bullying mob out to suppress something they didn't want to hear. And that is both unkind and an offence to freedoms for which many have fought. It is not in keeping with the spirit of the Wikipedia I once knew, and wanted to be part of. And for that reason I have retired permanently. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.31.246.75" title="Special:Contributions/92.31.246.75">92.31.246.75</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:92.31.246.75&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:92.31.246.75 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-92.31.246.75-20240412175100-Novem_Linguae-20240411155800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)</a> (formerly Elemimele; I no longer have the use of my account)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-92.31.246.75-20240412175100-Novem_Linguae-20240411155800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-92.31.246.75-20240412175100-Novem_Linguae-20240411155800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240412201500-92.31.246.75-20240412175100"></span>Hi Elemimele. So sorry to hear that you retired over this. This dispute primarily seems to be about 1) the # of paragraphs in an article, and 2) knowing when fellow editors have had enough and are getting really annoyed. In theory, simple things that are easily fixable. But I guess not so simple in this case, eh? Your "side" seems to feel very strongly about what is happening to Tim Hunt's reputation and mental health, and its intersection with BLP. And the other "side" feels strongly about Wikipedia's philosophy to report on matters in proportion to how much they are reported in reliable sources. It's a tricky situation. Not sure if my words here help, but you deserve a full reply, so this is my attempt at it. Thank you for visiting my talk page and for your contributions to Wikipedia. Be well. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240412201500-92.31.246.75-20240412175100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240412201500-92.31.246.75-20240412175100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240412201500-92.31.246.75-20240412175100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240413182500-Novem_Linguae-20240412201500"></span>I could I suppose take the time to explain how your comments were overly simplistic to the point of coming across as asinine, infantile and patronising. However, I sense that would be futile and instead I'll simply note that editors expressing concerns about the article were dismissed as <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">misogynists circling the wagons to protect another misogynist</q> and you've literally handed ownership of the article to them. It wasn't a tricky situation but its one that needed someone with the moral courage to do the right not the easy thing. Instead you sided with the <i>gerrymandering, bullying mob</i> and I sit here and realise with great regret that Wikipedia is no longer a project that I can support because it doesn't reflect the values it espouses. <span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Wee_Curry_Monster" title="User:Wee Curry Monster">W</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wee_Curry_Monster" title="Special:Contributions/Wee Curry Monster">C</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wee_Curry_Monster" title="User talk:Wee Curry Monster">M</a></span><sub><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Wee_Curry_Monster" title="Special:EmailUser/Wee Curry Monster">email</a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240413182500-Novem_Linguae-20240412201500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240413182500-Novem_Linguae-20240412201500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240413182500-Novem_Linguae-20240412201500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-149.155.219.44-20240501131800-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240413182500"></span>Hi, I haven't been monitoring this since I've retired. I just wanted to correct something: there was no "your side" about this; I wasn't on any particular side, and was quite prepared to give an opinion on the article and walk away. I left because bullying behaviour and harassment have no place in a collaborative project, or any decent society. I watched this sort of behaviour being condoned, and actively facilitated at ANI, and had to ask myself some harsh questions on whether it is ethically appropriate to belong to a group of people who accept it? The answer, after a painful weekend of careful thought, was resoundingly "No", so I left. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/149.155.219.44" title="Special:Contributions/149.155.219.44">149.155.219.44</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:149.155.219.44&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:149.155.219.44 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-149.155.219.44-20240501131800-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240413182500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:18, 1 May 2024 (UTC)</a> (formerly Elemimele, but locked out of my previous account! Not socking, honest!)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-149.155.219.44-20240501131800-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240413182500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-149.155.219.44-20240501131800-Wee_Curry_Monster-20240413182500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Yapperbot,_your_bot_essay,_etc." data-mw-thread-id="h-Yapperbot,_your_bot_essay,_etc.-20240430044600"><span id="Yapperbot.2C_your_bot_essay.2C_etc."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Yapperbot,_your_bot_essay,_etc.-20240430044600"></span>Yapperbot, your bot essay, etc.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Yapperbot,_your_bot_essay,_etc.-20240430044600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Tornheim-20240430044600-Yapperbot,_your_bot_essay,_etc."></span>Thanks for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ANovem_Linguae%2FEssays%2FToolforge_bot_tutorial&diff=1220190248&oldid=1216595296">this edit</a> on your essay. I'm going to start working on Yapperbot adoption related issues again--been distracted by other Wiki matters--and was just re-reading your essay. I'm a bit surprised my request stalled <a class="external text" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361426#9690874">here</a>. Before I ramp up again, I welcome any new thoughts about moving forward, either here or in one of the other places we have talked... --<a href="/wiki/User:David_Tornheim" title="User:David Tornheim">David Tornheim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Tornheim" title="User talk:David Tornheim">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-David_Tornheim-20240430044600-Yapperbot,_your_bot_essay,_etc." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Tornheim-20240430044600-Yapperbot,_your_bot_essay,_etc."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Tornheim-20240430044600-Yapperbot,_your_bot_essay,_etc."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240430045800-David_Tornheim-20240430044600"></span>(Not Novem) @<a href="/wiki/User:David_Tornheim" title="User:David Tornheim">David Tornheim</a> AFAIK yapperbot's directory is readable (should be <code>/data/project/yapperbot</code>). BY the looks of it, the directory only contains executables and no actual code. It might be more reliable/easier to redeploy the code based on the github project you allude to in the task. <a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta" title="User talk:Sohom Datta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Sohom_Datta-20240430045800-David_Tornheim-20240430044600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240430045800-David_Tornheim-20240430044600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sohom_Datta-20240430045800-David_Tornheim-20240430044600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240430052100-Sohom_Datta-20240430045800"></span>Actually looking at it further, for yapperbot, you need three repositories <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://github.com/mashedkeyboard/yapperbot-frs">yapperbot-frs</a> for the feedback request service, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://github.com/mashedkeyboard/yapperbot-pruner">yapperbot-pruner</a> for the pruner service and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://github.com/mashedkeyboard/yapperbot-scantag">yapperbot-scantag</a> for the scantag service. If you compile these repositories and set these up on a test toolforge instance, they should theoretically (emphasis on theoretically) work. <a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta" title="User talk:Sohom Datta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Sohom_Datta-20240430052100-Sohom_Datta-20240430045800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240430052100-Sohom_Datta-20240430045800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sohom_Datta-20240430052100-Sohom_Datta-20240430045800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240430052800-Sohom_Datta-20240430052100"></span>Noting that you should point the bots to test.wikipedia.org and no en.wikipedia.org for obvious reasons :) <a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta" title="User talk:Sohom Datta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Sohom_Datta-20240430052800-Sohom_Datta-20240430052100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240430052800-Sohom_Datta-20240430052100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sohom_Datta-20240430052800-Sohom_Datta-20240430052100"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Tornheim-20240430074900-Sohom_Datta-20240430052800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom Datta</a>:</span> Thanks for the feedback. Yes, I'm aware of all that--especially all the github code which I have spent plenty of time studying. (Although I don't remember "scantag" service--I'll look at that.) I did set up a copy of the code already, but I would like data for the *actual* config files--not the ones on github. And they were protected the last time I checked. I could give you a list. Possibly someone unprotected them but didn't inform me. I will look at the directories again. --<a href="/wiki/User:David_Tornheim" title="User:David Tornheim">David Tornheim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Tornheim" title="User talk:David Tornheim">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-David_Tornheim-20240430074900-Sohom_Datta-20240430052800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:49, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Tornheim-20240430074900-Sohom_Datta-20240430052800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Tornheim-20240430074900-Sohom_Datta-20240430052800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240430191500-David_Tornheim-20240430074900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:David_Tornheim" title="User:David Tornheim">David Tornheim</a> They don't appear to viewable at this moment. I've asked on phab, but I wonder if it would be possible to reconstruct those config file based on the code you already have? <a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta" title="User talk:Sohom Datta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Sohom_Datta-20240430191500-David_Tornheim-20240430074900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240430191500-David_Tornheim-20240430074900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sohom_Datta-20240430191500-David_Tornheim-20240430074900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240430191600-Sohom_Datta-20240430191500"></span>I think the SREs (taavi) is worried that those files might contain secrets like passwords that would allow you to access yapperbot's account. <a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta" title="User talk:Sohom Datta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Sohom_Datta-20240430191600-Sohom_Datta-20240430191500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240430191600-Sohom_Datta-20240430191500"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sohom_Datta-20240430191600-Sohom_Datta-20240430191500"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Tornheim-20240501015900-Sohom_Datta-20240430191600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom Datta</a>:</span> It's a reasonable concern. I believe I can prove that is not the case, as the password file is easy to find in the code. I'm not looking at the code right now, but I can dig into it and explain. Thanks for friending me on Discord. Do you know Go? I might have more questions later. I believe I understand the gist of how the code works, but using bots, the API, Toolforge, etc. are new to me. I can point you to the discussion of where we talked about adoption on here so you know my programming background. It sounds like you have experience with bots.--<a href="/wiki/User:David_Tornheim" title="User:David Tornheim">David Tornheim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Tornheim" title="User talk:David Tornheim">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-David_Tornheim-20240501015900-Sohom_Datta-20240430191600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:59, 1 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Tornheim-20240501015900-Sohom_Datta-20240430191600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Tornheim-20240501015900-Sohom_Datta-20240430191600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Tornheim-20240501130000-Sohom_Datta-20240430191600"></span>P.S. I see you <i>are</i> an intermediate Go programmer. Nice. One of the few! :) I could have used your advice earlier, when I had trouble with modules downloading correctly. I believe that problem is taken care of.--<a href="/wiki/User:David_Tornheim" title="User:David Tornheim">David Tornheim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Tornheim" title="User talk:David Tornheim">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-David_Tornheim-20240501130000-Sohom_Datta-20240430191600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:00, 1 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Tornheim-20240501130000-Sohom_Datta-20240430191600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Tornheim-20240501130000-Sohom_Datta-20240430191600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240502005000-David_Tornheim-20240501130000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:David_Tornheim" title="User:David Tornheim">David Tornheim</a> I'm pretty familiar with the basics of golang, and I do work on bots (albiet I don't think I've seen a golang bot), toolforge and mediawiki in general, feel free to ping (on Discord or onwiki) if you need any help anytime :) <a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta" title="User talk:Sohom Datta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Sohom_Datta-20240502005000-David_Tornheim-20240501130000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240502005000-David_Tornheim-20240501130000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sohom_Datta-20240502005000-David_Tornheim-20240501130000"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Tornheim-20240502065600-Sohom_Datta-20240502005000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta" title="User:Sohom Datta">Sohom Datta</a>:</span> Thanks for your offer to help! And thanks for backing me up on that thread. I might dig into the code again tonight to show what parts open the config files vs. which code uses the password file.</dd> <dd>One of the editors said I could redo the code in any language if I wanted, but I don't see any reason to do that--"if it ain't broke; don't fix it". However, I admit I thought it was strange that Naypta chose a language that probably few Wikipedians would know rather than languages like Php, Python, Perl, etc.--especially given that he wasn't going to stick around to maintain it.</dd> <dd>So I am curious if you think Go adds anything meaningful in terms of ease of use or functionality to the ever-expanding list of programming languages. And over the long-term--for maintenance purposes--would it be better if the code is converted into a language more editors know? I do like Go's use of modules and the simplicity/elegance compared to the equivalent in C (and probably many other strongly typed languages), but other than that, I haven't seen anything else remarkable about it. I figured Naypta might have just learned it, thought it was novel, and wanted to try it out. Even though I spoke at length with him when he released Yapperbot, I was too busy with other question that I don't think I asked him. So I am curious why you became interested in the language. Maybe it is more popular than I think? I have looked at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://go.dev/doc/faq#What_is_the_purpose_of_the_project">Go FAQ: <i>What is the purpose of this project?'</i></a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:David_Tornheim" title="User:David Tornheim">David Tornheim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_Tornheim" title="User talk:David Tornheim">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-David_Tornheim-20240502065600-Sohom_Datta-20240502005000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:56, 2 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Tornheim-20240502065600-Sohom_Datta-20240502005000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Tornheim-20240502065600-Sohom_Datta-20240502005000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C-20240502230900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C-20240502230900"></span>Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C-20240502230900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><i><a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2024/Announcement_%E2%80%93_vote_reminder" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2024/Announcement – vote reminder"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RamzyM_(WMF)-20240502230900-Reminder_to_vote_now_to_select_members_of_the_first_U4C"></span>You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki.</a> <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Universal+Code+of+Conduct%2FCoordinating+Committee%2FElection%2F2024%2FAnnouncement+%E2%80%93+vote+reminder&language=&action=page&filter=">Please help translate to other languages.</a></i></dd></dl> <p>Dear Wikimedian, </p><p>You are receiving this message because you previously participated in the UCoC process. </p><p>This is a reminder that the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) ends on May 9, 2024. 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It's just a test page. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:About_the_sandbox" title="Wikipedia:About the sandbox">Wikipedia:About the sandbox</a> for more info. I'll try to remember to take it out of the queue next time to avoid confusion. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240503151100-Timtrent-20240503141200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240503151100-Timtrent-20240503141200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240503151100-Timtrent-20240503141200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20240503222500-Novem_Linguae-20240503151100"></span>Phew! I kind of guessed, though 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Timtrent-20240503222500-Novem_Linguae-20240503151100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20240503222500-Novem_Linguae-20240503151100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20240503222500-Novem_Linguae-20240503151100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins" data-mw-thread-id="h-RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins-20240505080900"><span id="RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded.2C_phase_II_begins"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins-20240505080900"></span>RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins-20240505080900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240505080900-RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins"></span>Hi there! Phase I of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review">Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review</a> has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus: </p> <ul><li><b>Proposals 2 and 9b</b> (<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Reminder_of_civility_norms_at_RfA" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Reminder of civility norms at RfA">phase II discussion</a></b>): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_2:_Add_a_reminder_of_civility_norms_at_RfA" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_9b:_Require_links_for_claims_of_specific_policy_violations" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Require links for claims of specific policy violations</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 3b</b> (in trial): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_3b:_Make_the_first_two_days_discussion-only_(trial)" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Make the first two days discussion-only</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 13</b> (in trial): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_13:_Admin_elections" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Admin elections</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 14</b> (implemented): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_14:_Suffrage_requirements" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Suffrage requirements</a></li> <li><b>Proposals 16 and 16c</b> (<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Administrator_recall" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Administrator recall">phase II discussion</a></b>): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_16:_Allow_the_community_to_initiate_recall_RfAs" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_16c:_Community_recall_process_based_on_dewiki" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Community recall process based on dewiki</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 17</b> (<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Designated_RfA_monitors" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Designated RfA monitors">phase II discussion</a></b>): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_17:_Have_named_Admins/crats_to_monitor_infractions" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 24</b> (<b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Mentoring_process" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Mentoring process">phase II discussion</a></b>): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_24:_Provide_better_mentoring_for_becoming_an_admin_and_the_RfA_process" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process</a></li> <li><b>Proposal 25</b> (implemented): <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_25:_Require_nominees_to_be_extended_confirmed" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I">Require nominees to be extended confirmed</a></li></ul> <p>See the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review">project page</a> for a full list of proposals and their outcomes. A huge thank-you to everyone who has participated so far :) looking forward to seeing lots of hard work become a reality in phase II. <a href="/wiki/User:Theleekycauldron" title="User:Theleekycauldron">theleekycauldron</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theleekycauldron" title="User talk:Theleekycauldron">talk</a>), via <a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240505080900-RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240505080900-RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20240505080900-RFA2024_update:_phase_I_concluded,_phase_II_begins"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tanks!!!" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tanks!!!-20240508205200"><span id="Tanks.21.21.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tanks!!!-20240508205200"></span>Tanks!!!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tanks!!!-20240508205200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span typeof="mw:Error mw:File"><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=Ru_251.jpg" class="new" title="File:Ru 251.jpg"><span class="mw-file-element mw-broken-media" data-width="100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CoolMiner425-20240508205200-Tanks!!!"></span>File:Ru 251.jpg</span></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>You get a tank!!!</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">You get a tank!!! <a href="/wiki/User:CoolMiner425" title="User:CoolMiner425">CoolMiner425</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-CoolMiner425-20240508205200-Tanks!!!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CoolMiner425-20240508205200-Tanks!!!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CoolMiner425-20240508205200-Tanks!!!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Updated_draft" data-mw-thread-id="h-Updated_draft-20240518175400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Updated_draft-20240518175400"></span>Updated draft<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Updated_draft-20240518175400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Blawgar-20240518175400-Updated_draft"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae">Novem Linguae</a> </p><p><a href="/wiki/Draft:Meru_Gokhale" title="Draft:Meru Gokhale">Draft:Meru Gokhale</a> is now improved. Please see link below. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Blawgar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Blawgar (page does not exist)">Blawgar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Blawgar" title="User talk:Blawgar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Blawgar-20240518175400-Updated_draft" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Blawgar-20240518175400-Updated_draft"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Blawgar-20240518175400-Updated_draft"></span> </p><p><a class="external free" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Meru_Gokhale"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Blawgar-20240518175400-Updated_draft-1"></span>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Meru_Gokhale</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Blawgar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Blawgar (page does not exist)">Blawgar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Blawgar" title="User talk:Blawgar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Blawgar-20240518175400-Updated_draft-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Blawgar-20240518175400-Updated_draft-1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Blawgar-20240518175400-Updated_draft-1"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-automation_of_inline_tagging?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-automation_of_inline_tagging?-20240519040900"><span id="Semi-automation_of_inline_tagging.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-automation_of_inline_tagging?-20240519040900"></span>Semi-automation of inline tagging?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-automation_of_inline_tagging?-20240519040900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HLHJ-20240519040900-Semi-automation_of_inline_tagging?"></span>You are in absolutely no way obliged to take this on, but it seems in your realm of expertise and interest... <abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> </p><p>Would you be interested in adding inline tagging to semi-automated tools? Evidence suggests it could significantly increase new editor retention (especially if tags replace reverts). Enterprisey was interested in taking it up, in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Inline_Templates/Archive_4#Semi-automation_of_tagging" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Inline Templates/Archive 4">a discussion</a> a while back. There's a related Huggle ticket, <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T209797" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T209797">T209797</a> (currently also mentioned on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:MED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:MED">WP:MED</a>). </p><p>Separately, thank you for all the infrastructure work you've done. I'm sure I won't use it all directly, but I'll benefit from it indirectly, all the same. <a href="/wiki/User:HLHJ" title="User:HLHJ">HLHJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HLHJ" title="User talk:HLHJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-HLHJ-20240519040900-Semi-automation_of_inline_tagging?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HLHJ-20240519040900-Semi-automation_of_inline_tagging?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HLHJ-20240519040900-Semi-automation_of_inline_tagging?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240519050900-HLHJ-20240519040900"></span>Hey. Thanks for the message. Did you have specifics in mind? Which tool, what feature to add, etc? –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240519050900-HLHJ-20240519040900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240519050900-HLHJ-20240519040900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240519050900-HLHJ-20240519040900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HLHJ-20240524002000-Novem_Linguae-20240519050900"></span>Thanks for the query, and sorry I've been so slow to reply.</dd> <dd>Honestly, I don't mind which tool. The phab ticket is for Huggle, but I think the functionality is more important than how it is implemented. I'm also quite sure you'd know better than I where it would be most useful, and easiest to implement.</dd> <dd>The simplest feature would be: when patrolling edits, IF the edit being reviewed is the addition of a single block of text, THEN have a button which adds just the <sup class="noprint Inline-Template Template-Fact" style="white-space:nowrap;">[<i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources.">citation needed</span></a></i>]</sup> point tag (not span tag) to the end of edit.</dd> <dd>The "Basic design ideas" section in the phab ticket has a longer list (~removing the qualifications in the last sentence). These would probably be rarer use cases, tho. <a href="/wiki/User:HLHJ" title="User:HLHJ">HLHJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HLHJ" title="User talk:HLHJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-HLHJ-20240524002000-Novem_Linguae-20240519050900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HLHJ-20240524002000-Novem_Linguae-20240519050900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HLHJ-20240524002000-Novem_Linguae-20240519050900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240524014400-HLHJ-20240524002000"></span>You could ask for a user script that does this by posting at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:US/R" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:US/R">WP:US/R</a>. The user script could add an [add CN] link on the recent changes, watchlist, and/or diff screens when the diff meets the parameters you described. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240524014400-HLHJ-20240524002000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240524014400-HLHJ-20240524002000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240524014400-HLHJ-20240524002000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HLHJ-20240524150000-Novem_Linguae-20240524014400"></span>Thanks, I'll look into this. <a href="/wiki/User:HLHJ" title="User:HLHJ">HLHJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HLHJ" title="User talk:HLHJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-HLHJ-20240524150000-Novem_Linguae-20240524014400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HLHJ-20240524150000-Novem_Linguae-20240524014400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HLHJ-20240524150000-Novem_Linguae-20240524014400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Report_spam_links_on_enwiki" data-mw-thread-id="h-Report_spam_links_on_enwiki-20240524191400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Report_spam_links_on_enwiki-20240524191400"></span>Report spam links on enwiki<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Report_spam_links_on_enwiki-20240524191400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Plantaest-20240524191400-Report_spam_links_on_enwiki"></span>Hi Novem Linguae, long time no see. I would like to ask where I can report spam links on enwiki. I noticed a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Samsung&diff=prev&oldid=1200764643">subtle edit adding an advertisement link</a> that went undetected for months (please see the last link in the edit). Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Plantaest" title="User:Plantaest">Plantaest</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plantaest" title="User talk:Plantaest">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Plantaest-20240524191400-Report_spam_links_on_enwiki" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Plantaest-20240524191400-Report_spam_links_on_enwiki"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Plantaest-20240524191400-Report_spam_links_on_enwiki"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240524194000-Plantaest-20240524191400"></span>Howdy! Maybe just revert it. If it's affecting many pages, you could try the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPAMBLACKLIST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPAMBLACKLIST">WP:SPAMBLACKLIST</a>. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240524194000-Plantaest-20240524191400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240524194000-Plantaest-20240524191400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240524194000-Plantaest-20240524191400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hi-20240527180800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hi-20240527180800"></span>Hi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hi-20240527180800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bugghost-20240527180800-Hi"></span>Hi Novem - just wanted to say thanks for the kind statement on the arbitration request page earlier - I was getting a bit stressed and worried over the implications of some of the things being said there - especially on that page because I don't really understand what's happening but it all feels very important. Feels a bit like being summoned into an alien courtroom. It was all a bit daunting, and your message made me feel a bit better about the situation. Again, just wanted to say thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Bugghost" title="User:Bugghost"><span style="border-radius:3px;padding:2px 3px;background:#ff7048;color:#fff;">BugGhost</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bugghost" title="User talk:Bugghost">🪲👻</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Bugghost-20240527180800-Hi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bugghost-20240527180800-Hi"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bugghost-20240527180800-Hi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240527212700-Bugghost-20240527180800"></span>You're welcome. Yeah, careful of participating in places like the administrators notice board and anything with the word arbitration in it. It is easy to unintentionally get in the middle of drama in those places. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240527212700-Bugghost-20240527180800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240527212700-Bugghost-20240527180800"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240527212700-Bugghost-20240527180800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Script_kiddy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Script_kiddy-20240607081600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Script_kiddy-20240607081600"></span>Script kiddy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Script_kiddy-20240607081600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="border:1px solid gray; background-color:#fdffe7;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20240607081600-Script_kiddy"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Birthday_Cake_with_2.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Birthday_Cake_with_2.jpg/100px-Birthday_Cake_with_2.jpg" decoding="async" width="100" height="66" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Birthday_Cake_with_2.jpg/150px-Birthday_Cake_with_2.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Birthday_Cake_with_2.jpg/200px-Birthday_Cake_with_2.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2315" data-file-height="1539"/></a></span> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td style="font-size:x-large; padding:0 0.5em 0; vertical-align:middle; height:1.1em;"><b>Happy second birthday</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align:middle; border-top:1px solid gray;">to the <a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae/Scripts/GANReviewTool" title="User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/GANReviewTool">GANReviewTool</a>. Its hard work continues to be very much appreciated. </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Chipmunkdavis-20240607081600-Script_kiddy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20240607081600-Script_kiddy"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20240607081600-Script_kiddy"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240607085200-Chipmunkdavis-20240607081600"></span>Thanks! Was a lot of work but had a great <a href="/wiki/Return_on_investment" title="Return on investment">ROI</a> since it's so useful to content creators. Also it's been pretty low maintenance, it doesn't break very often, which is nice. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240607085200-Chipmunkdavis-20240607081600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240607085200-Chipmunkdavis-20240607081600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240607085200-Chipmunkdavis-20240607081600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20240610200200"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20240610200200"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!_2-20240610200200"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-9t5-20240610200200-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Peace_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Peace_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Peace_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Peace_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Peace_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Peace_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Peace_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Barnstar of Diplomacy</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">For your gentle approach to difficult discussion. I admire you. <a href="/wiki/User:9t5" title="User:9t5">9t5</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:9t5" title="User talk:9t5">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-9t5-20240610200200-A_barnstar_for_you!_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-9t5-20240610200200-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-9t5-20240610200200-A_barnstar_for_you!_2"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notability_Essays" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notability_Essays-20240610195900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notability_Essays-20240610195900"></span>Notability Essays<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notability_Essays-20240610195900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-9t5-20240610195900-Notability_Essays"></span>I enjoyed reading your views on notability here on Wikipedia :) thank you for directing me to them. You have a very sobering yet gentle approach that I admire (especially in <a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae/Essays/Thoughts_on_notability_and_AFD" title="User:Novem Linguae/Essays/Thoughts on notability and AFD">Thoughts on notability and AFD</a>). I think that politics plays a huge part in AfD discussions. I particularly found true the words of a former admin (who has written a number of formally accepted guidelines for the project).. </p> <blockquote><p>"Wikipedia is utterly insane. The encyclopedia anyone can edit is the encyclopedia only logged in users can edit, and only if they're in the good graces of the arbitrary ruling clique of the day. If you don't speak their phony language of tongue-in-cheek civility and bureaucracy, they will sooner or later drive you from this project."<br/>-<a href="/wiki/User:Rividian" title="User:Rividian">Rividian</a></p></blockquote> <p>There is an element of necessary evil.. that I cannot deny. Without deletionists, the project could’ve easily tumbled into some <a href="/wiki/The_Oatmeal_and_FunnyJunk_legal_dispute" title="The Oatmeal and FunnyJunk legal dispute">funny junk</a>.. <a href="/wiki/Albino_blacksheep" class="mw-redirect" title="Albino blacksheep">albino blacksheep</a> circus from hell. The kind that were all too familiar to us in the mindf*ck that was the 2000s. Hah :) So I try my best to remember that this project is different. It hurts sometimes, yes. Sometimes it is absolutely unwarranted. But this project is worth it at the end of the day, and that is largely in part to editors like you. </p><p>Thank you for sharing, @<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae">Novem Linguae</a>. I truly enjoyed. <a href="/wiki/User:9t5" title="User:9t5">9t5</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:9t5" title="User talk:9t5">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-9t5-20240610195900-Notability_Essays" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-9t5-20240610195900-Notability_Essays"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-9t5-20240610195900-Notability_Essays"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240610201900-9t5-20240610195900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:9t5" title="User:9t5">9t5</a>. You're welcome. I wrote <a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae/Essays/Thoughts_on_notability_and_AFD" title="User:Novem Linguae/Essays/Thoughts on notability and AFD">User:Novem Linguae/Essays/Thoughts on notability and AFD</a> after seeing the AFD you were involved in. I've observed this pattern for a long time and decided to finally write it down. I was worried it might be a bit too harsh, so I'm glad you found the tone acceptable.</dd> <dd>Rividian's quote there seems a bit pessimistic to me. I think Wikipedia works a lot like any social group. Each social group has norms, and it's up to newer people to learn and follow those norms and not cause friction within the group. Groups have norms for a reason. Every single norm around here is the equilibrium of 20+ years of forces trying to push it one direction or the other and arriving at a happy medium that lets us build a great encyclopedia. I think <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">arbitrary ruling clique of the day</q> is just these norms, and not the fiat of some small clique.</dd> <dd>There are some norms around here I'm not thrilled about, but I believe in the "wisdom of the group". –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240610201900-9t5-20240610195900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240610201900-9t5-20240610195900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240610201900-9t5-20240610195900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-9t5-20240610202900-Novem_Linguae-20240610201900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae">Novem Linguae</a></dd> <dd><i>“I wrote <a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae/Essays/Thoughts_on_notability_and_AFD" title="User:Novem Linguae/Essays/Thoughts on notability and AFD">User:Novem Linguae/Essays/Thoughts on notability and AFD</a> after seeing the AFD you were involved in.”</i></dd> <dd>I didn’t even notice! Oh brother.. I am an emotional guy. I don’t know why but that has me tearing up. The Brad Heckman article held a special place in my heart because his talks helped me through a difficult time. I felt almost scared that perhaps he saw it, and then saw it get deleted and it crushed me.</dd> <dd>Definitely pessimistic! But I think does a good job at stripping away that tongue-in-cheek attitude. You are very clearly an editor who has achieved their level of authority through grace and truly trying to help other editors out.</dd> <dd>And I mean that sincerely. I’m not one to kiss the a** of an admin. I’ll be the first to them them to shove it where the sun don’t shine haha… so maybe that’s why I was so drawn to <a href="/wiki/User:Rividian" title="User:Rividian">Rividian</a>’s quote.. I’m a work in progress! I like to think we all are :) <a href="/wiki/User:9t5" title="User:9t5">9t5</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:9t5" title="User talk:9t5">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-9t5-20240610202900-Novem_Linguae-20240610201900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-9t5-20240610202900-Novem_Linguae-20240610201900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-9t5-20240610202900-Novem_Linguae-20240610201900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-9t5-20240610203100-9t5-20240610202900"></span>Side note: he definitely saw it because I reached out to him for permission to use his painting in the article. But I like to pretend he’s too busy to have noticed it get deleted. HAHA. <a href="/wiki/User:9t5" title="User:9t5">9t5</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:9t5" title="User talk:9t5">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-9t5-20240610203100-9t5-20240610202900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-9t5-20240610203100-9t5-20240610202900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-9t5-20240610203100-9t5-20240610202900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240610204900-9t5-20240610203100"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I’m a work in progress! I like to think we all are :)</q> Well said, my friend. If you ever have any questions or thoughts, let me know! –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240610204900-9t5-20240610203100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240610204900-9t5-20240610203100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240610204900-9t5-20240610203100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="API/MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js_question" data-mw-thread-id="h-API/MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js_question-20240517015700"><span id="API.2FMediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js_question"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-API/MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js_question-20240517015700"></span>API/<a href="/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js" title="MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js">MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js</a> question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-API/MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js_question-20240517015700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20240517015700-API/MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js_question"></span>Hi, </p><p>I see you're involved in maintaining Twinkle, so I'm hoping you will know the answer to this; do you know if there is a way using the API/morebits to move a page and delete the page currently at the target, aside from sending a separate request to delete the page? </p><p>My understanding is that it is not but I am hoping I am wrong, as I'm trying to fix a bug with the rmCloser script where it can't overwrite pages even when the user is a pagemover. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-BilledMammal-20240517015700-API/MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js_question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20240517015700-API/MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js_question"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20240517015700-API/MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js_question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240517020600-BilledMammal-20240517015700"></span>Strangely I am not very familiar with Morebits because I mostly do bug fixes and small patches so haven't had an occasion to explore it in depth yet. @<a href="/wiki/User:SD0001" title="User:SD0001">SD0001</a> could probably answer this question easily though. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240517020600-BilledMammal-20240517015700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240517020600-BilledMammal-20240517015700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240517020600-BilledMammal-20240517015700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SD0001-20240517032900-Novem_Linguae-20240517020600"></span>I don't think that's possible to do in a single request using the API. That's something only the special page allows. – <a href="/wiki/User:SD0001" title="User:SD0001"><span style="font-weight: bold; color: #C30">SD0001</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SD0001" title="User talk:SD0001">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-SD0001-20240517032900-Novem_Linguae-20240517020600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SD0001-20240517032900-Novem_Linguae-20240517020600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SD0001-20240517032900-Novem_Linguae-20240517020600"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20240517035600-SD0001-20240517032900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:SD0001" title="User:SD0001">SD0001</a>:</span> I thought so, but I had hoped otherwise; thank you all the same.</dd> <dd>Solving this for admins won't be an issue - it will just require an additional API call to delete the page before moving the article, but that won't work for pagemovers as they lack access to the delete API. Do you know if there is a way to delete redirects through the API without using delete? Again, my understanding is that there is not, but I'm hoping I'm wrong as alternative solutions will be messy. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-BilledMammal-20240517035600-SD0001-20240517032900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20240517035600-SD0001-20240517032900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20240517035600-SD0001-20240517032900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240517043000-BilledMammal-20240517035600"></span>Double API calls aren't particularly difficult to code. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://github.com/wikimedia-gadgets/afc-helper/commit/1bb0b91e6f0fe0aa4675c6d20a452ae7ef565805">Example.</a> –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240517043000-BilledMammal-20240517035600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240517043000-BilledMammal-20240517035600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240517043000-BilledMammal-20240517035600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20240517044600-Novem_Linguae-20240517043000"></span>I'm not concerned about the double API call; my issue is I don't think there is an API call for "delete-redirect". <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-BilledMammal-20240517044600-Novem_Linguae-20240517043000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20240517044600-Novem_Linguae-20240517043000"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20240517044600-Novem_Linguae-20240517043000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240517045400-BilledMammal-20240517044600"></span>Oh. I think that's built into the move API. I think the algorithm is that any editor can move a page over a redirect if 1) the redirect only has one revision and 2) it is pointing at the current title. And any editor with `delete-redirect` (page movers and sysops) can move a page over a redirect 1) if it only has one revision. The best way to find out is probably to test it. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240517045400-BilledMammal-20240517044600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240517045400-BilledMammal-20240517044600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240517045400-BilledMammal-20240517044600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20240517050100-Novem_Linguae-20240517045400"></span>Unfortunately, I've been testing it and I don't think that it is there, unless there is a configuration option not documented at the <a class="external text" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Move">API page</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-BilledMammal-20240517050100-Novem_Linguae-20240517045400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20240517050100-Novem_Linguae-20240517045400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20240517050100-Novem_Linguae-20240517045400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Test_results" data-mw-thread-id="h-Test_results-API/MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js_question-20240517063100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Test_results-API/MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js_question-20240517063100"></span>Test results<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Test_results-API/MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js_question-20240517063100"></span></h3></div> <table class="wikitable"> <caption> </caption> <tbody><tr> <th><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240517063100-Test_results"></span>Perm </th> <th>Edited via </th> <th>Action </th> <th>Result </th></tr> <tr> <td>Admin </td> <td>Website </td> <td>Move over a one revision redirect pointing back to the <b>original page</b> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="check" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Admin </td> <td>Action API via Special:ApiSandbox </td> <td>Move over a one revision redirect pointing back to the <b>original page</b> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="check" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Logged in user </td> <td>Website </td> <td>Move over a one revision redirect pointing back to the <b>original page</b> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="check" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Logged in user </td> <td>Action API via Special:ApiSandbox </td> <td>Move over a one revision redirect pointing back to the <b>original page</b> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="check" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Unable to reproduce. <a class="external text" href="https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mainspace&action=history">Diffs of tests.</a> Would you like me to try any additional combinations? –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240517063100-Test_results" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240517063100-Test_results"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240517063100-Test_results"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20240517064700-Novem_Linguae-20240517063100"></span>Could you try moving over a one revision redirect pointing at a different page?</dd> <dd>With that said, I've now developed a function that uses the method at <a href="/wiki/Special:MovePage" title="Special:MovePage">Special:MovePage</a> to allow this - I would like to replace it with something cleaner, but it isn't an issue if it's not possible. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-BilledMammal-20240517064700-Novem_Linguae-20240517063100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20240517064700-Novem_Linguae-20240517063100"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20240517064700-Novem_Linguae-20240517063100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SD0001-20240517124300-BilledMammal-20240517064700"></span>Can you open a phab ticket requesting the ability to do this through the API? Letting page movers overwrite redirects not pointing back to the current page is a relatively recent feature, so allowing it via the API was likely just overlooked rather than intentionally left out. – <a href="/wiki/User:SD0001" title="User:SD0001"><span style="font-weight: bold; color: #C30">SD0001</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SD0001" title="User talk:SD0001">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-SD0001-20240517124300-BilledMammal-20240517064700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SD0001-20240517124300-BilledMammal-20240517064700"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SD0001-20240517124300-BilledMammal-20240517064700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20240519043300-SD0001-20240517124300"></span>Done; T365325 <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-BilledMammal-20240519043300-SD0001-20240517124300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20240519043300-SD0001-20240517124300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20240519043300-SD0001-20240517124300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <th><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240517083600-Test_results"></span>Perm </th> <th>Edited via </th> <th>Action </th> <th>Result </th></tr> <tr> <td>Admin </td> <td>Website </td> <td>Move over a one revision redirect pointing to a <b>different page</b> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="check" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/20px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/30px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/40px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span> Asks you if you want to delete the page, then you have to tick the box "Yes, delete the page". This shows up both when it's a regular page and when it's a redirect. This shows up both for one revision pages and multiple revision pages. </td></tr> <tr> <td>Admin </td> <td>Action API via Special:ApiSandbox </td> <td>Move over a one revision redirect pointing to a <b>different page</b> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="☒" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/20px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="23" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/40px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">N</span> tried it both with ignorewarnings=true and ignorewarnings=false </td></tr> <tr> <td>Page mover / <code>delete-redirect</code> </td> <td>Website </td> <td>Move over a one revision redirect pointing to a <b>different page</b> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="check" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/20px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/30px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Gold_check_mark.svg/40px-Gold_check_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">Y</span> Asks you if you want to delete the page, then you have to tick the box "Yes, delete the page". Only shows up for redirects. Only works for one revision redirects. </td></tr> <tr> <td>Page mover / <code>delete-redirect</code> </td> <td>Action API via Special:ApiSandbox </td> <td>Move over a one revision redirect pointing to a <b>different page</b> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="☒" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/20px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="23" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/40px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">N</span> tried it both with ignorewarnings=true and ignorewarnings=false </td></tr> <tr> <td>Logged in user </td> <td>Website </td> <td>Move over a one revision redirect pointing to a <b>different page</b> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="☒" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/20px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="23" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/40px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">N</span> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Logged in user </td> <td>Action API via Special:ApiSandbox </td> <td>Move over a one revision redirect pointing to a <b>different page</b> </td> <td><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="☒" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/20px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="23" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/40px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><span style="display:none">N</span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>I think I understand your question and your confusion now. The page move webpage lets admins always overwrite pages, and the page move webpage lets page movers overwrite pages under certain circumstances, whereas the move API <i><b><u>never</u></b></i> lets this happen unless the page is a one revision redirect pointing at the page attempting to be moved. See results above. I think you'll definitely need two API queries for all situations except the situation where there is a one revision redirect pointing at the page attempting to be moved. I hope you find these test results as interesting as I did :) –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240517083600-Test_results" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240517083600-Test_results"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240517083600-Test_results"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20240519043300-Novem_Linguae-20240517083600"></span>I did, thank you :) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-BilledMammal-20240519043300-Novem_Linguae-20240517083600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20240519043300-Novem_Linguae-20240517083600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20240519043300-Novem_Linguae-20240517083600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BilledMammal-20240519145600-BilledMammal-20240519043300"></span>Could you try a related test for me?</dd> <dd>With the website, try moving a page to a title where the title has no article, but the talk page has a single-edit redirect to a page other than the talk page of the article you are moving. If I am correct, you will be able to overwrite the page as an admin, but you will not be able to do so as a page mover. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:BilledMammal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:BilledMammal (page does not exist)">BilledMammal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BilledMammal" title="User talk:BilledMammal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-BilledMammal-20240519145600-BilledMammal-20240519043300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BilledMammal-20240519145600-BilledMammal-20240519043300"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BilledMammal-20240519145600-BilledMammal-20240519043300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240611110700-BilledMammal-20240519145600"></span>Sorry, I didn't have time to do more testing. But I did mention our test results in <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T365325#9847318" class="extiw" title="phab:T365325">phab:T365325#9847318</a>. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240611110700-BilledMammal-20240519145600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240611110700-BilledMammal-20240519145600"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240611110700-BilledMammal-20240519145600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Please_propose_slnething" data-mw-thread-id="h-Please_propose_slnething-20240611182400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Please_propose_slnething-20240611182400"></span>Please propose slnething<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Please_propose_slnething-20240611182400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PicturePerfect666-20240611182400-Please_propose_slnething"></span>Please make a proposal as opposed to just not zero. Your conclusion on the topic is disingenuous as a number of other substantive proposals have been put forward. This is not count the votes as you see them. Please provide reasoning for the position you hold. A number of others (not just me) have done so but the not zero brigade seem to be avoiding providing their own proposals and any actual substantive reasoning. Please do so, I’ve been begging contributors to do so from the start yet no o e seems to be capable of doing so. If this is to be a discussion state what is wanted and why. The whole discussion is just lit zero and that’s it that’s not a discussion that’s a protest. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:PicturePerfect666&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:PicturePerfect666 (page does not exist)">PicturePerfect666</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PicturePerfect666" title="User talk:PicturePerfect666">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-PicturePerfect666-20240611182400-Please_propose_slnething" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PicturePerfect666-20240611182400-Please_propose_slnething"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PicturePerfect666-20240611182400-Please_propose_slnething"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240611193700-PicturePerfect666-20240611182400"></span>Thanks for the message, but I am not a fan of your behavior on that talk page. I have filed <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI#PicturePerfect666_bludgeoning_at_Talk:Eurovision_Song_Contest_2024" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI#PicturePerfect666 bludgeoning at Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2024</a>. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240611193700-PicturePerfect666-20240611182400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240611193700-PicturePerfect666-20240611182400"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240611193700-PicturePerfect666-20240611182400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IP" data-mw-thread-id="h-IP-20240613064900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IP-20240613064900"></span>IP<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IP-20240613064900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2804:F14:80E0:5601:712C:F4BB:10BF:1C3A-20240613064900-IP"></span>They're trolling, they're trying to harass Fram, see their post on the user talk page, history of block evasion too dunno of whom. – <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2804:F14:80E0:5601:712C:F4BB:10BF:1C3A" title="Special:Contributions/2804:F14:80E0:5601:712C:F4BB:10BF:1C3A">2804:F1...BF:1C3A</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2804:F14:80E0:5601:712C:F4BB:10BF:1C3A&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2804:F14:80E0:5601:712C:F4BB:10BF:1C3A (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-2804:F14:80E0:5601:712C:F4BB:10BF:1C3A-20240613064900-IP" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2804:F14:80E0:5601:712C:F4BB:10BF:1C3A-20240613064900-IP"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2804:F14:80E0:5601:712C:F4BB:10BF:1C3A-20240613064900-IP"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AP_499D25-20240613065200-2804:F14:80E0:5601:712C:F4BB:10BF:1C3A-20240613064900"></span>Yep, I would recommend a block of 1-yr on that <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/182.228.179.154" title="Special:Contributions/182.228.179.154">182.228.179.154</a> IP, given the previous block being 6-months in length and the person returning to pretty much the same behaviour of attacks towards other editors like always before. — <a href="/wiki/User:AP_499D25" title="User:AP 499D25"><span style="background:#1F6295;color:white;padding:1q 5q;border-radius:10q;font-family:Franklin Gothic, Verdana">AP 499D25</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:AP_499D25" title="User talk:AP 499D25"><span style="color:#1A527D">(talk)</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-AP_499D25-20240613065200-2804:F14:80E0:5601:712C:F4BB:10BF:1C3A-20240613064900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AP_499D25-20240613065200-2804:F14:80E0:5601:712C:F4BB:10BF:1C3A-20240613064900"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AP_499D25-20240613065200-2804:F14:80E0:5601:712C:F4BB:10BF:1C3A-20240613064900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240613070000-AP_499D25-20240613065200"></span>I blocked 182.228.179.154 for one week, which is what I'm comfortable with for now, and pinged Yamla, the admin who did the previous blocking. Hope that works for now. –<a href="/wiki/User:Novem_Linguae" title="User:Novem Linguae"><span style="color:blue"><b>Novem Linguae</b></span></a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae" title="User talk:Novem Linguae">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Novem_Linguae-20240613070000-AP_499D25-20240613065200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240613070000-AP_499D25-20240613065200"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Novem_Linguae-20240613070000-AP_499D25-20240613065200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pending_changes,_level_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pending_changes,_level_2-20240613161400"><span id="Pending_changes.2C_level_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pending_changes,_level_2-20240613161400"></span>Pending changes, level 2<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pending_changes,_level_2-20240613161400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Isaacl-20240613161400-Pending_changes,_level_2"></span>Regarding your comment at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Discussion-only_period#"Neither_proposal_specified_what_should_happen_after_the_trial_period."" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Discussion-only period">Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Discussion-only period § "Neither proposal specified what should happen after the trial period."</a>: as far as I understand it, pending changes levels 1 and 2 were trialed at the same time. As can be seen at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_protection_and_patrolled_revisions#Patrolled_revisions" title="Wikipedia:Flagged protection and patrolled revisions">Wikipedia:Flagged protection and patrolled revisions § Patrolled revisions</a>, pending changes level 2 requires edits from all non-reviewer editors to be accepted before they can be seen by non-logged in users. Because disabling it after the trial required work to be done, it got stalled over disagreements on the best path forward ("why remove a protection level that is helpful right now?" vs "let's revert to the pre-trial state and evaluate"). Eventually its use got slimmed down to, as I recall, a handful of WMF office actions. A series of RfCs were held to establish policy for using pending changes protection, and only a policy for the use of level 1 was approved. No agreement was reached on a policy for using level 2. In spite of this, occasionally an admin would use level 2 protection if they thought it was appropriate, deliberately ignoring the lack of policy supporting its use ("there's no consensus against it"). At some point, all the instances of level 2 protection were removed, and descriptions of it were removed from the standard table describing page protection levels and other documentation. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Isaacl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Isaacl (page does not exist)">isaacl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Isaacl" title="User talk:Isaacl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Novem_Linguae/Archive_10#c-Isaacl-20240613161400-Pending_changes,_level_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Isaacl-20240613161400-Pending_changes,_level_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Isaacl-20240613161400-Pending_changes,_level_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Novem_Linguae-20240613165300-Isaacl-20240613161400"></span>Good info. Thank you for sharing. 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