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Welcome to Wikipedia. I've added a welcome message to the top of this page that gives a great deal of information about Wikipedia. I hope you find it useful. </p><p>Additionally, I hope you don't mind if I share some of my thoughts on starting out as a new editor on Wikipedia: If I could get editors in your situation to follow just one piece of advice, it would be this: Learn Wikipedia by working only on non-contentious topics until you have a feel for the normal editing process and the policies that usually come up when editing casually. You'll find editing to be fun, easy, and rewarding. The rare disputes are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution" title="Wikipedia:Dispute resolution">resolved</a> quickly and easily in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">collaboration</a>. </p><p>Working on biographical information about living persons is far more difficult. Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">Biographies of living persons policy</a> requires strict adherence to multiple content policies, and applies to all information about living persons including talk pages. </p><p>If you have a relationship with the topics you want to edit, then you will need to review Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">Conflict of interest policy</a>, which may require you to disclose your relationship and restrict your editing depending upon how you are affiliated with the subject matter. Regardless, editing in a manner that promotes an entity or viewpoint over others can appear to be detrimental to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOT">purpose</a> of Wikipedia and the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:POV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POV">neutrality</a> required in articles. </p><p>You've already been notified about this, but some topic areas within Wikipedia have <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:General_sanctions" title="Wikipedia:General sanctions"> special editing restrictions</a> that apply to all editors. It's best to avoid these topics until you are extremely familiar with all relevant <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PAG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PAG">policies and guidelines</a>. </p><p>If you work from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IS">independent</a> sources, you shouldn't go far wrong. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSP">WP:RSP</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RSN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RSN">WP:RSN</a> are helpful in determining if a source is reliable. </p><p>If you find yourself in a disagreement with another editor, it's best to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TALK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TALK">discuss</a> the matter on the relevant <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TP">talk page</a>. </p><p>I hope you find some useful information in all this, and welcome again. --<a href="/wiki/User:Hipal" title="User:Hipal">Hipal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hipal" title="User talk:Hipal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-Hipal-20240806165000-A_lengthy_welcome" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hipal-20240806165000-A_lengthy_welcome"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hipal-20240806165000-A_lengthy_welcome"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="1RR_violation_at_Majdal_Shams_attack" data-mw-thread-id="h-1RR_violation_at_Majdal_Shams_attack-20240813221400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-1RR_violation_at_Majdal_Shams_attack-20240813221400"></span>1RR violation at <a href="/wiki/Majdal_Shams_attack" title="Majdal Shams attack">Majdal Shams attack</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-1RR_violation_at_Majdal_Shams_attack-20240813221400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: 1RR violation at Majdal Shams attack"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Majdal_Shams_attack&diff=prev&oldid=1240158286"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813221400-1RR_violation_at_Majdal_Shams_attack"></span>This</a> was a violation of the 1RR sanction in place in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ARBPIA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ARBPIA">WP:ARBPIA</a> topic. Please do not violate 1RR again. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813221400-1RR_violation_at_Majdal_Shams_attack" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813221400-1RR_violation_at_Majdal_Shams_attack"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813221400-1RR_violation_at_Majdal_Shams_attack"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240813224800-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813221400"></span>How could it be a violation if it was a 1st revert? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240813224800-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813221400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240813224800-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813221400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240813224800-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813221400"></span> <dl><dd><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Majdal_Shams_attack&diff=prev&oldid=1240157641"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813225700-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240813224800"></span>This</a> was the first, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Majdal_Shams_attack&diff=prev&oldid=1240158286">this</a> was the second. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813225700-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240813224800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813225700-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240813224800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813225700-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240813224800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240813230500-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813225700"></span>I don't understand why you think <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Majdal_Shams_attack&diff=prev&oldid=1240157641">this edit</a> was a revert. I just saw what I thought (and still think) is a mistake, so I fixed it. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240813230500-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813225700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240813230500-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813225700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240813230500-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813225700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813230800-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240813230500"></span>A revert is any edit that undoes, in whole or in part, another edit. Someone edited the article to label the casualties in the infobox, and you undid that. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813230800-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240813230500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813230800-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240813230500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813230800-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240813230500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814045900-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813230800"></span>So you're saying the addition of content is not a revert, but a removal of content is a revert by definition? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814045900-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813230800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814045900-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813230800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814045900-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240813230800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814113400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814045900"></span>Addition of content can, in some cases, be a revert if it <a href="/wiki/Help:Reverting" title="Help:Reverting">negat[es] the effects of one or more edits</a>, but generally an addition will not be a revert. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814113400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814045900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814113400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814045900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814113400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814045900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814204800-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814113400"></span>You didn't really answer my question regarding removal of content, so I'll ask it again. Is the removal of content <b>by definition</b> considered a revert? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814204800-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814113400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814204800-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814113400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814204800-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814113400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814212000-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814204800"></span>After some amount of time which is highly variable and seldom agreed on content becomes the status quo and removing it is a bold edit rather than a revert. If you're editing in a contentious topic it's safest to assume that any removal is a revert. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814212000-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814204800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814212000-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814204800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814212000-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814204800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814215000-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814212000"></span>Your answer just adds more confusion. Am I expected to see how long the content has existed before removing it in order for it not to count as a revert? If so, how long would "<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">some amount of time</q>" be? - a question that you yourself answered with "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">highly variable and seldom agreed on</q>".<br/>I thought <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BURO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BURO">Wikipedia is not supposed to be bureaucractic</a>. <b>Bottom line:</b> I think you jumped the gun accusing me of violating <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:1RR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:1RR">WP:1RR</a>, and would appreciate if you issued a retraction. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814215000-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814212000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814215000-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814212000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814215000-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814212000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814220700-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814215000"></span>I can assure you that I did not jump the gun. Please do not violate 1rr again. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814220700-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814215000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814220700-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814215000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814220700-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814215000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814221200-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814220700"></span>You have literally failed to make the case that <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Majdal_Shams_attack&diff=prev&oldid=1240157641">this edit was a revert</a>. Move on. There is no need to continue this pointless conversation. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814221200-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814220700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814221200-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814220700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814221200-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240814220700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nableezy-20240815061900-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814221200"></span>It reverted <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1238329729" title="Special:Diff/1238329729">this</a> edit which added they were Syrian children. <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nableezy" title="User talk:Nableezy"><span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span></a></b> - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-Nableezy-20240815061900-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814221200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nableezy-20240815061900-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814221200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nableezy-20240815061900-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240814221200"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1238329729" title="Special:Diff/1238329729"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240815125700-Nableezy-20240815061900"></span>That edit</a> was 10 days prior. Calling it a revert is the equivalent of saying that any content removal is a revert. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240815125700-Nableezy-20240815061900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:57, 15 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240815125700-Nableezy-20240815061900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240815125700-Nableezy-20240815061900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Selfstudier-20240815130100-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240815125700"></span>Technically, any content removal is a revert, one needs to examine the circumstances, 10 days is recent in my view, I suspect that would be the view of a majority of seasoned editors, so you would do well to attend to it. <a href="/wiki/User:Selfstudier" title="User:Selfstudier">Selfstudier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Selfstudier" title="User talk:Selfstudier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-Selfstudier-20240815130100-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240815125700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Selfstudier-20240815130100-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240815125700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Selfstudier-20240815130100-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240815125700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815131400-Selfstudier-20240815130100"></span>It's also not just time, it's stability, it's other edits leaving it intact, or building on it. It's complicated, so it's best to assume any removal is a revert. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815131400-Selfstudier-20240815130100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815131400-Selfstudier-20240815130100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240815131400-Selfstudier-20240815130100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Timeline_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war_(13_July_2024_–_present)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Timeline_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war_(13_July_2024_–_present)-20240830112800"><span id="Timeline_of_the_Israel.E2.80.93Hamas_war_.2813_July_2024_.E2.80.93_present.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Timeline_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war_(13_July_2024_–_present)-20240830112800"></span><a href="/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war_(13_July_2024_%E2%80%93_present)" class="mw-redirect" title="Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (13 July 2024 – present)">Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (13 July 2024 – present)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Timeline_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war_(13_July_2024_–_present)-20240830112800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (13 July 2024 – present)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pachu_Kannan-20240830112800-Timeline_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war_(13_July_2024_–_present)"></span>Please click on the source and read it. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Pachu_Kannan" title="User:Pachu Kannan">Pachu Kannan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pachu_Kannan" title="User talk:Pachu Kannan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-Pachu_Kannan-20240830112800-Timeline_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war_(13_July_2024_–_present)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pachu_Kannan-20240830112800-Timeline_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war_(13_July_2024_–_present)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pachu_Kannan-20240830112800-Timeline_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war_(13_July_2024_–_present)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timeline_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war_(13_July_2024_%E2%80%93_present)&diff=prev&oldid=1243080037"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830113500-Pachu_Kannan-20240830112800"></span>That was a bad revert</a> that could land you into hot water. You need to immediately fix the insertion of the same reference twice (the links in reference 541 and 542 are exactly the same). Perhaps after you fix up the references I can get a better understanding of what you are basing your information on. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830113500-Pachu_Kannan-20240830112800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830113500-Pachu_Kannan-20240830112800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830113500-Pachu_Kannan-20240830112800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830113700-Pachu_Kannan-20240830112800"></span>I quoted in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timeline_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war_(13_July_2024_%E2%80%93_present)&diff=prev&oldid=1243076385">this edit summary</a> what exactly the reference says. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830113700-Pachu_Kannan-20240830112800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830113700-Pachu_Kannan-20240830112800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830113700-Pachu_Kannan-20240830112800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="1RR_violation_at_Mohammad_Deif_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-1RR_violation_at_Mohammad_Deif_article-20240830134100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-1RR_violation_at_Mohammad_Deif_article-20240830134100"></span>1RR violation at Mohammad Deif article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-1RR_violation_at_Mohammad_Deif_article-20240830134100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: 1RR violation at Mohammad Deif article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Makeandtoss-20240830134100-1RR_violation_at_Mohammad_Deif_article"></span>Please self-revert your latest edits to bring yourself into compliance with 1RR. Your <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1243088223&oldid=1242856223&title=Mohammed_Deif">first reversion</a> when you negated the effects of the edit of <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1242856223&oldid=1242783712&title=Mohammed_Deif">another user</a> by removing the equivalency of no attribution, and the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1243092819&oldid=1243089857&title=Mohammed_Deif">second</a> when you reverted my reversion. Also please follow <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">WP:BRD</a> and take it to the talk page when your bold edits are disputed. <a href="/wiki/User:Makeandtoss" title="User:Makeandtoss">Makeandtoss</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Makeandtoss" title="User talk:Makeandtoss">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-Makeandtoss-20240830134100-1RR_violation_at_Mohammad_Deif_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Makeandtoss-20240830134100-1RR_violation_at_Mohammad_Deif_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Makeandtoss-20240830134100-1RR_violation_at_Mohammad_Deif_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830134600-Makeandtoss-20240830134100"></span>What you call a "<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1243088223&oldid=1242856223&title=Mohammed_Deif">first revert</a>" I see as a copyedit. I did not undo a previous edit. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830134600-Makeandtoss-20240830134100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830134600-Makeandtoss-20240830134100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830134600-Makeandtoss-20240830134100"></span></dd> <dd><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohammed_Deif&diff=prev&oldid=1242856223"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830134800-Makeandtoss-20240830134100"></span>Here is the edit in question</a>. I obviously did not revert it. I added to it. I reverted your incorrect accusation that the statement was not attributed. There are two references at the end of the paragraph: one saying he is dead, and the other disputing that claim. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830134800-Makeandtoss-20240830134100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830134800-Makeandtoss-20240830134100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830134800-Makeandtoss-20240830134100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="August_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-August_2024-20240830135400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-August_2024-20240830135400"></span>August 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-August_2024-20240830135400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: August 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="user-block uw-aeblock" style="padding: 5px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #a9a9a9; background-color: #ffefd5; min-height: 40px"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830135400-August_2024"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure>To enforce an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel_articles" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles">arbitration decision</a>, and for violating 1RR, refusal to self-revert, you have been <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Partial_blocks" title="Wikipedia:Partial blocks">blocked</a></b> from editing Wikipedia for a period of <b>1 week</b>. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block or other sanctions. <p>If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_appealing_blocks" title="Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks">guide to appealing blocks</a> (specifically <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_appealing_blocks#Arbitration_enforcement_blocks" title="Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks">this section</a>) before appealing. Place the following on your talk page: <span style="font-size:97%;"><code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Unblock" title="Template:Unblock">unblock</a>|reason=Please copy my appeal to the [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement noticeboard]] or [[WP:AN|administrators' noticeboard]]. <i>Your reason here OR place the reason below this template.</i> ~~~~}}</code></span>. If you intend to appeal on the arbitration enforcement noticeboard, I suggest you use the <a href="/wiki/Template:Arbitration_enforcement_appeal#Usage" title="Template:Arbitration enforcement appeal">arbitration enforcement appeals template</a> on your talk page so it can be copied over easily. You may also appeal directly to me (<a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/ScottishFinnishRadish" title="Special:EmailUser/ScottishFinnishRadish">by email</a>), before or instead of appealing on your talk page. </p><a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830135400-August_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830135400-August_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240830135400-August_2024"></span> <div class="sysop-show"><hr/><p style="line-height: 90%;"><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830142800-August_2024"></span>Reminder to administrators:</b> In May 2014, ArbCom adopted the following <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Procedures#Standard_provision:_appeals_and_modifications" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures">procedure instructing administrators</a> regarding Arbitration Enforcement blocks: "No administrator may modify a sanction placed by another administrator without: (1) the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or (2) prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" [in the procedure]). Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped."</small></p></div></div> <div class="user-block unblock-reviewed" style="padding: 5px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #a9a9a9; background-color: var(--background-color-warning-subtle, #fdf2d5); color: inherit;"> <figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/48px-Appointment_red.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="48" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/72px-Appointment_red.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/96px-Appointment_red.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <b>This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators" title="Wikipedia:Administrators">administrator</a>, who declined the request.</b> Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocking policy</a>). <p><a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> <span class="plainlinks" style="font-size:88%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:The_Mountain_of_Eden">block log</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&action=search&ip=The_Mountain_of_Eden">active blocks</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:GlobalBlockList&ip=The_Mountain_of_Eden">global blocks</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="Special:Contributions/The Mountain of Eden">contribs</a><span class="sysop-show"> • <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="Special:DeletedContributions/The Mountain of Eden">deleted contribs</a></span> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=The_Mountain_of_Eden">filter log</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=newusers&user=The_Mountain_of_Eden">creation log</a><span class="sysop-show"> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="Special:Block/The Mountain of Eden">change block settings</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&action=unblock&ip=The_Mountain_of_Eden">unblock</a></span><span class="checkuser-show"> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUser&user=The_Mountain_of_Eden&reason=%5B%5BUser+talk%3AThe+Mountain+of+Eden%5D%5D%2C+unblock+request">checkuser</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUserLog&cuSearch=The_Mountain_of_Eden">log</a>)</span>)</span> </p> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <hr/> <p><b>Request reason</b>: </p> <div style="margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 2em;"> <p>Did you even read why I did not think that I violated 1RR? While it could possibly be construed that an edit I perfored on <a href="/wiki/Majdal_Shams_attack" title="Majdal Shams attack">Majdal Shams attack</a> would be a revert, as discussed in the section above. That's definitely not the case for the edit I performed on Mohammad Deif. Please unblock me. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830142800-August_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830142800-August_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240830142800-August_2024"></span> </p> </div> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20240830195200-August_2024"></span>Decline reason</b>: </p> <div style="margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 2em;"> <p>Procedural decline. As this is an arbitration enforcement block, it cannot be unilaterally removed by an admin. Your options of appeal are as described in the notice- the blocking admin agreeing to it, or for you to write a statement for transfer to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">WP:AN</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-331dot-20240830195200-August_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20240830195200-August_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20240830195200-August_2024"></span> </p> </div> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Newyorkbrad-20240901064000-August_2024"></span>If you want to make any further unblock requests, please <b>read the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_appealing_blocks" title="Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks">guide to appealing blocks</a> first</b>, then use the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unblock" title="Template:Unblock">unblock</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. <b>Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.</b> </p> </div> <p>Noting that although the templates suggest that this was a one-week full block, it in fact is a page-block from a specific article. The editor's appeal from the page-block has been posted to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AE">WP:AE</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Newyorkbrad" title="User:Newyorkbrad">Newyorkbrad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newyorkbrad" title="User talk:Newyorkbrad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-Newyorkbrad-20240901064000-August_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newyorkbrad-20240901064000-August_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Newyorkbrad-20240901064000-August_2024"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_page-20240904065200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_page-20240904065200"></span>User page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_page-20240904065200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: User page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Eladkarmel-20240904065200-User_page"></span>Hi, it is not customary in Wikipedia to change someone's user page. But thanks for the edit anyway.<a href="/wiki/User:Eladkarmel" title="User:Eladkarmel">Eladkarmel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eladkarmel" title="User talk:Eladkarmel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-Eladkarmel-20240904065200-User_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Eladkarmel-20240904065200-User_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Eladkarmel-20240904065200-User_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240905153700-Eladkarmel-20240904065200"></span>It was my way of saying that I appreciate your hard work. But I guess a better way to say that is to just say "keep up the good work !!". <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240905153700-Eladkarmel-20240904065200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240905153700-Eladkarmel-20240904065200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240905153700-Eladkarmel-20240904065200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notice_of_Arbitration_Enforcement_noticeboard_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notice_of_Arbitration_Enforcement_noticeboard_discussion-20240925010000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notice_of_Arbitration_Enforcement_noticeboard_discussion-20240925010000"></span>Notice of Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notice_of_Arbitration_Enforcement_noticeboard_discussion-20240925010000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Notice of Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Awesome_Aasim-20240925010000-Notice_of_Arbitration_Enforcement_noticeboard_discussion"></span>Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a report involving you at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement</a> regarding a possible violation of an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AC">Arbitration Committee</a> decision. The thread is <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement">The Mountain of Eden</a></b>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Awesome_Aasim" title="User:Awesome Aasim">Awesome</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Awesome_Aasim" title="User talk:Awesome Aasim">Aasim</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-Awesome_Aasim-20240925010000-Notice_of_Arbitration_Enforcement_noticeboard_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Awesome_Aasim-20240925010000-Notice_of_Arbitration_Enforcement_noticeboard_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Awesome_Aasim-20240925010000-Notice_of_Arbitration_Enforcement_noticeboard_discussion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="September_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-September_2024-20240925074200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-September_2024-20240925074200"></span>September 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-September_2024-20240925074200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: September 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="user-block uw-pblock" style="padding: 5px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #a9a9a9; background-color: #ffefd5; min-height: 40px"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToBeFree-20240925074200-September_2024"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Stop icon with clock" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg/40px-Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg/60px-Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg/80px-Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="212" data-file-height="211"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><div style="margin-left:45px">You have been <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Partial_blocks" title="Wikipedia:Partial blocks">blocked</a></b> from editing from certain pages (<a href="/wiki/Talk:2024_Lebanon_pager_explosions" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:2024 Lebanon pager explosions">Talk:2024 Lebanon pager explosions</a>) for a period of <b>2 weeks</b> for using Wikipedia as a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTFORUM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTFORUM">forum</a> for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOR">original research</a>. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars" title="Wikipedia:Five pillars">make useful contributions</a>. </div><div style="margin-left:45px">If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_appealing_blocks" title="Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks">guide to appealing blocks</a>, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: <code>{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}</code>. <a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-ToBeFree-20240925074200-September_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:42, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToBeFree-20240925074200-September_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToBeFree-20240925074200-September_2024"></span></div></div> <div class="user-block unblock-reviewed" style="padding: 5px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #a9a9a9; background-color: var(--background-color-warning-subtle, #fdf2d5); color: inherit;"> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925151400-September_2024"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/48px-Appointment_red.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="48" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/72px-Appointment_red.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/96px-Appointment_red.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <b>This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators" title="Wikipedia:Administrators">administrator</a>, who declined the request.</b> Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocking policy</a>). <p><a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> <span class="plainlinks" style="font-size:88%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:The_Mountain_of_Eden">block log</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&action=search&ip=The_Mountain_of_Eden">active blocks</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:GlobalBlockList&ip=The_Mountain_of_Eden">global blocks</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="Special:Contributions/The Mountain of Eden">contribs</a><span class="sysop-show"> • <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="Special:DeletedContributions/The Mountain of Eden">deleted contribs</a></span> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=The_Mountain_of_Eden">filter log</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=newusers&user=The_Mountain_of_Eden">creation log</a><span class="sysop-show"> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="Special:Block/The Mountain of Eden">change block settings</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&action=unblock&ip=The_Mountain_of_Eden">unblock</a></span><span class="checkuser-show"> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUser&user=The_Mountain_of_Eden&reason=%5B%5BUser+talk%3AThe+Mountain+of+Eden%5D%5D%2C+unblock+request">checkuser</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUserLog&cuSearch=The_Mountain_of_Eden">log</a>)</span>)</span> </p> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <hr/> <p><b>Request reason</b>: </p> <div style="margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 2em;"> <p>I see the flaws in my logic and would like to adjust my comments at <a href="/wiki/Talk:2024_Lebanon_pager_explosions" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:2024 Lebanon pager explosions">Talk:2024 Lebanon pager explosions</a> per <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#c-Starship.paint-20240925104800-Starship.paint-20240925053400">the advice provided in WP:AE</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925151400-September_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925151400-September_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925151400-September_2024"></span> </p> </div> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PhilKnight-20240925165400-September_2024"></span>Decline reason</b>: </p> <div style="margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 2em;"> <p>What comment do you want to make at the talk page? <a href="/wiki/User:PhilKnight" title="User:PhilKnight">PhilKnight</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PhilKnight" title="User talk:PhilKnight">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-PhilKnight-20240925165400-September_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PhilKnight-20240925165400-September_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PhilKnight-20240925165400-September_2024"></span> </p> </div> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925171900-September_2024"></span>If you want to make any further unblock requests, please <b>read the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_appealing_blocks" title="Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks">guide to appealing blocks</a> first</b>, then use the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unblock" title="Template:Unblock">unblock</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. <b>Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.</b> </p> </div> <div class="user-block unblock-reviewed" style="padding: 5px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #a9a9a9; background-color: var(--background-color-warning-subtle, #fdf2d5); color: inherit;"> <figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/48px-Appointment_red.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="48" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/72px-Appointment_red.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Appointment_red.svg/96px-Appointment_red.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <b>This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators" title="Wikipedia:Administrators">administrator</a>, who declined the request.</b> Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocking policy</a>). <p><a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> <span class="plainlinks" style="font-size:88%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:The_Mountain_of_Eden">block log</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&action=search&ip=The_Mountain_of_Eden">active blocks</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:GlobalBlockList&ip=The_Mountain_of_Eden">global blocks</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="Special:Contributions/The Mountain of Eden">contribs</a><span class="sysop-show"> • <a href="/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="Special:DeletedContributions/The Mountain of Eden">deleted contribs</a></span> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=The_Mountain_of_Eden">filter log</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=newusers&user=The_Mountain_of_Eden">creation log</a><span class="sysop-show"> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Block/The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="Special:Block/The Mountain of Eden">change block settings</a> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlockList&action=unblock&ip=The_Mountain_of_Eden">unblock</a></span><span class="checkuser-show"> • <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUser&user=The_Mountain_of_Eden&reason=%5B%5BUser+talk%3AThe+Mountain+of+Eden%5D%5D%2C+unblock+request">checkuser</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CheckUserLog&cuSearch=The_Mountain_of_Eden">log</a>)</span>)</span> </p> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <hr/> <p><b>Request reason</b>: </p> <div style="margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 2em;"> <p>In response to the question about, I'll strike out the comments I made about the nurses and replace them with comments that the pagers were all Hezbollah pagers and supply links to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925171900-September_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925171900-September_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925171900-September_2024"></span> </p> </div> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ponyo-20241011204500-September_2024"></span>Decline reason</b>: </p> <div style="margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 2em;"> <p>Procedural decline only as the block has now expired. <a href="/wiki/User:Ponyo" title="User:Ponyo"><span style="color: Navy;"><b>Ponyo</b></span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ponyo" title="User talk:Ponyo"><span style="color: Navy;"><i>bons mots</i></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-Ponyo-20241011204500-September_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ponyo-20241011204500-September_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ponyo-20241011204500-September_2024"></span> </p> </div> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Selfstudier-20240925173000-September_2024"></span>If you want to make any further unblock requests, please <b>read the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_appealing_blocks" title="Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks">guide to appealing blocks</a> first</b>, then use the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unblock" title="Template:Unblock">unblock</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. <b>Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.</b> </p> </div> <p>Even if it were to be permitted, which I personally would not, one does not alter comments that have already been replied to. Post fact fixing up is in no way recognition of fault in the first place. Besides that, there are other forumy comments apart from those related to the nurse. <a href="/wiki/User:Selfstudier" title="User:Selfstudier">Selfstudier</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Selfstudier" title="User talk:Selfstudier">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-Selfstudier-20240925173000-September_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Selfstudier-20240925173000-September_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Selfstudier-20240925173000-September_2024"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925175200-Selfstudier-20240925173000"></span>While it is not acceptable to delete comments after they have been replied to, it is acceptable to strike them out. Striking out comments is an admission of a mistake because if there is no mistake, there is no need to strike anything out. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925175200-Selfstudier-20240925173000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925175200-Selfstudier-20240925173000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925175200-Selfstudier-20240925173000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToBeFree-20240925210400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925175200"></span>I think you should use the two weeks to have a look at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Task_Center" title="Wikipedia:Task Center">Task Center</a> and the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal" title="Wikipedia:Community portal">community portal</a>, improving other articles rather than discussing controversial ones. <a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-ToBeFree-20240925210400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925175200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToBeFree-20240925210400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925175200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToBeFree-20240925210400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925175200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925211200-ToBeFree-20240925210400"></span>So you're saying it is a punitive block? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925211200-ToBeFree-20240925210400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:12, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925211200-ToBeFree-20240925210400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925211200-ToBeFree-20240925210400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToBeFree-20240925225600-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925211200"></span>No, it currently prevents you from continuing to use Wikipedia as a discussion forum without preventing contributions to any other page even including the article itself. A punitive block in the current situation would be site-wide, I guess.</dd> <dd>The Arab-Israeli conflict seems to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greta_Thunberg&diff=prev&oldid=1247737261">magically attract</a> your contributions even during this discussion. That's not a problem by itself, but it may be an indicator of strong feelings about the topic, which may increase the probability of treating Wikipedia as a forum or even a battleground rather than an encyclopedia.</dd> <dd>I understand that you'd like to edit / strikethrough earlier comments before adding new ones, but you've had the chance to do so <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:2024_Lebanon_pager_explosions&diff=prev&oldid=1247592740">in response to a complaint about the behavior that led to the block</a> and they have been archived in a box since, so even striking through them would be rather confusing than helpful. There is no reason for removing the block earlier. <a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-ToBeFree-20240925225600-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925211200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 25 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToBeFree-20240925225600-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925211200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToBeFree-20240925225600-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240925211200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930193500-ToBeFree-20240925225600"></span>Per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">WP:BRD</a>, blocking me from the talk page severely restricts my ability to edit the article.<br/></dd> <dd>To me, it seems that the 2 week time period is arbitrary, and therefore punitive. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930193500-ToBeFree-20240925225600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930193500-ToBeFree-20240925225600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930193500-ToBeFree-20240925225600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ToBeFree-20240930194900-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930193500"></span>BRD is not a policy nor guideline, but policies such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_policy#Talking_and_editing" title="Wikipedia:Editing policy">Wikipedia:Editing policy § Talking and editing</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EW" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EW">policy against edit warring</a> and the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DR">dispute resolution policy</a> do exist, so you have a point – but you need to discuss only what is controversial, and there's probably no benefit in making controversial edits to this specific article at this time.</dd> <dd>The duration being "arbitrary" is an argument against any time-limited block, which is strange to me; of course it could have been "indefinitely" but indefinite partial blocks are a pain. <a href="/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-ToBeFree-20240930194900-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930193500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ToBeFree-20240930194900-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930193500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ToBeFree-20240930194900-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930193500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930195400-ToBeFree-20240930194900"></span>Are you saying that you would have preferred to have blocked me indefinitely and the only reason you didn't was that the process to do so is more tedious? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930195400-ToBeFree-20240930194900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930195400-ToBeFree-20240930194900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930195400-ToBeFree-20240930194900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240930202300-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930195400"></span>The process is the same. They're giving you the benefit of the doubt that the disruption won't recur. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240930202300-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930195400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240930202300-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930195400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240930202300-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930195400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930203200-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240930202300"></span>I have already acknowledged that I made a mistake and offered to fix it up. So why am I still blocked? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930203200-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240930202300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930203200-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240930202300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20240930203200-ScottishFinnishRadish-20240930202300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Talk:Mohammed_Deif/FAQ" data-mw-thread-id="h-Talk:Mohammed_Deif/FAQ-20241101002500"><span id="Talk:Mohammed_Deif.2FFAQ"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Talk:Mohammed_Deif/FAQ-20241101002500"></span>Talk:Mohammed Deif/FAQ<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Talk:Mohammed_Deif/FAQ-20241101002500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Talk:Mohammed Deif/FAQ"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Commander_Keane-20241101002500-Talk:Mohammed_Deif/FAQ"></span>I just deleted <a href="/wiki/Talk:Mohammed_Deif/FAQ" title="Talk:Mohammed Deif/FAQ">Talk:Mohammed Deif/FAQ</a>. I assume you posted there by mistake. <a href="/wiki/User:Commander_Keane" title="User:Commander Keane">Commander Keane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commander_Keane" title="User talk:Commander Keane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-Commander_Keane-20241101002500-Talk:Mohammed_Deif/FAQ" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Commander_Keane-20241101002500-Talk:Mohammed_Deif/FAQ"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Commander_Keane-20241101002500-Talk:Mohammed_Deif/FAQ"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Commander_Keane-20241101002800-Commander_Keane-20241101002500"></span>Well maybe on purpose but it is not a good idea to split discussions into subpages. Keep it on the main talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:Commander_Keane" title="User:Commander Keane">Commander Keane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commander_Keane" title="User talk:Commander Keane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-Commander_Keane-20241101002800-Commander_Keane-20241101002500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Commander_Keane-20241101002800-Commander_Keane-20241101002500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Commander_Keane-20241101002800-Commander_Keane-20241101002500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241101003000-Commander_Keane-20241101002800"></span>No it was not a mistake. It was intended to help editors understand why the subject of the biography is listed as alive even though his death has already been announced. The FAQ page is transluced in the <a href="/wiki/Talk:Mohammed_Deif" title="Talk:Mohammed Deif">Talk:Mohammed Deif</a> page.</dd> <dd>Can you please restore? <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241101003000-Commander_Keane-20241101002800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241101003000-Commander_Keane-20241101002800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241101003000-Commander_Keane-20241101002800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Commander_Keane-20241101004400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241101003000"></span>I restored earlier. Sorry about the mistake, there is no documentation on its use at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines" title="Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines">Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines</a> (I just asked for clarification there) and it is somewhat hidden on mobile (which I use). Also, it attracted vandalism which I reverted. I guess somebody should keep an eye on these subpages for vandalism, consensus etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Commander_Keane" title="User:Commander Keane">Commander Keane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commander_Keane" title="User talk:Commander Keane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-Commander_Keane-20241101004400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241101003000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:44, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Commander_Keane-20241101004400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241101003000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Commander_Keane-20241101004400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241101003000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241101005600-Commander_Keane-20241101004400"></span>I just followed the documentation at <a href="/wiki/Template:FAQ" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:FAQ">Template:FAQ</a>. If the template doesn't work correctly on your mobile device, you may want to bring that up at the template's talk page.</dd> <dd>I wouldn't characterize <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1254628505" title="Special:Diff/1254628505">this edit</a> as vandalism. I would characterize it as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FORUM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FORUM">WP:FORUM</a>. Either way, thank you for reverting it. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241101005600-Commander_Keane-20241101004400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:56, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241101005600-Commander_Keane-20241101004400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241101005600-Commander_Keane-20241101004400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Commander_Keane" title="User:Commander Keane"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241103192600-Commander_Keane-20241101002800"></span>Commander Keane</a>, please feel free to delete this FAQ page now that Hamas has acknowledged Deif's death. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241103192600-Commander_Keane-20241101002800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241103192600-Commander_Keane-20241101002800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241103192600-Commander_Keane-20241101002800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Commander_Keane-20241103212400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241103192600"></span>I have made the deletion. If you need the view the contents to remake the FAQ, if the dispute continues, just ask me or another admin. I had a peek at the article and I think the Service years still say -Present, you may want to clean it up if you get time. Unless that is how infoboxes remain. <a href="/wiki/User:Commander_Keane" title="User:Commander Keane">Commander Keane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commander_Keane" title="User talk:Commander Keane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-Commander_Keane-20241103212400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241103192600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Commander_Keane-20241103212400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241103192600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Commander_Keane-20241103212400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241103192600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241104010300-Commander_Keane-20241103212400"></span>Thanks for the tip. I made the changes you pointed out.</dd> <dd>I was actually thinking if another case pops up again when a person's death is disputed, it would be nice to use <a href="/wiki/Talk:Mohammed_Deif/FAQ" title="Talk:Mohammed Deif/FAQ">Talk:Mohammed Deif/FAQ</a> as a template. But I guess should that happen, I could request it at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REFUND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REFUND">WP:REFUND</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241104010300-Commander_Keane-20241103212400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241104010300-Commander_Keane-20241103212400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241104010300-Commander_Keane-20241103212400"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Commander_Keane" title="User:Commander Keane"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241123185000-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241104010300"></span>Commander Keane</a>, looks like the consensus change back to showing Mohammed Deif as alive. Rather than rewrite the FAQ from scratch, it would be helpful to edit the FAQ from its most recent version. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241123185000-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241104010300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241123185000-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241104010300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241123185000-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241104010300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Commander_Keane-20241123221400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241123185000"></span>Restored. <a href="/wiki/User:Commander_Keane" title="User:Commander Keane">Commander Keane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Commander_Keane" title="User talk:Commander Keane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-Commander_Keane-20241123221400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241123185000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Commander_Keane-20241123221400-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241123185000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241101202500-WP:D"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235781174">.mw-parser-output .hmbox-outer{margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .hmbox-inner{display:inline-block;color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);margin-right:0.5em;padding:0.3em 0.5em}</style><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer resolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/20px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/30px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/40px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Moved to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:D" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:D">WT:D</a></div> – <span style="font-size: 85%"><a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241101202500-WP:D" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241101202500-WP:D"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241101202500-WP:D"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mohammed_Deif" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mohammed_Deif-20241104123800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mohammed_Deif-20241104123800"></span><a href="/wiki/Mohammed_Deif" title="Mohammed Deif">Mohammed Deif</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mohammed_Deif-20241104123800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Mohammed Deif"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pachu_Kannan-20241104123800-Mohammed_Deif"></span>Hamas denied Asharq al-Awsat report about his death per <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2024/11/03/hamas-denies-martyrdom-of-its-military-leader-mohammed-deif">https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2024/11/03/hamas-denies-martyrdom-of-its-military-leader-mohammed-deif</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pachu_Kannan" title="User:Pachu Kannan">Pachu Kannan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pachu_Kannan" title="User talk:Pachu Kannan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-Pachu_Kannan-20241104123800-Mohammed_Deif" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pachu_Kannan-20241104123800-Mohammed_Deif"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pachu_Kannan-20241104123800-Mohammed_Deif"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241104145600-Pachu_Kannan-20241104123800"></span>Thanks for the heads up. Let's have a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Mohammed_Deif" title="Talk:Mohammed Deif">Talk:Mohammed Deif</a> regarding how to deal with it. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden#c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241104145600-Pachu_Kannan-20241104123800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241104145600-Pachu_Kannan-20241104123800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Mountain_of_Eden-20241104145600-Pachu_Kannan-20241104123800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Could_you_give_me_some_advice?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Could_you_give_me_some_advice?-20241115212000"><span id="Could_you_give_me_some_advice.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Could_you_give_me_some_advice?-20241115212000"></span>Could you give me some advice?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Could_you_give_me_some_advice?-20241115212000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Mountain_of_Eden&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Could you give me some advice?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Avishai11-20241115212000-Could_you_give_me_some_advice?"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:The_Mountain_of_Eden" title="User:The Mountain of Eden">The Mountain of Eden</a>, </p><p>I hope you are doing great! </p><p>I have a specific issue, and while typically I would ask an admin, the problem is regarding an admin. Can you please help me? 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