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Please do not modify it. Use the <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal" title="Wikidata:Property proposal">current page</a>, even to continue an old discussion. </td></tr></tbody></table> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Number_of_elevators">1 Number of elevators</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#WMS-address">2 WMS-address</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#CulturaItalia_ID">3 CulturaItalia ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#CERL_id">4 CERL id</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#religious_rank">5 religious rank</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#Database_of_Classical_Scholars">6 Database of Classical Scholars</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Project_Gutenberg_author_ID">7 Project Gutenberg author ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Murdered">8 Murdered</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#turned_pro">9 turned pro</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Location_map">10 Location map</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#OpenStreetMap_Node_identifier">11 OpenStreetMap Node identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#Mapillary">12 Mapillary</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#second_surname_in_Spanish_name">13 second surname in Spanish name</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#East-Asian_names">14 East-Asian names</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#Religious_rank_rework">15 Religious rank rework</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#lay_name">16 lay name</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#McCune-Reischauer">17 McCune-Reischauer</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#second">18 second</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="#third">19 third</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#number_of_arrivals">20 number of arrivals</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="#overall_leader">21 overall leader</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="#speciality">22 speciality</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-23"><a href="#number_of_entries/articles">23 number of entries/articles</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-24"><a href="#source_language_of_given_name">24 source language of given name</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-25"><a href="#Properties_for_this_type">25 Properties for this type</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-26"><a href="#Patron">26 Patron</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-27"><a href="#x_Lua_function_of_location_map">27 x Lua function of location map</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-28"><a href="#y_Lua_function_of_location_map">28 y Lua function of location map</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-29"><a href="#street_key">29 street key</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-30"><a href="#Digital_Atlas_of_the_Roman_Empire_ID">30 Digital Atlas of the Roman Empire ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-31"><a href="#relief_location_map">31 relief location map</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-32"><a href="#Comité_des_travaux_historiques_et_scientifiques">32 Comité des travaux historiques et scientifiques</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-33"><a href="#Google_Scholar_ID">33 Google Scholar ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-34"><a href="#number_of_children">34 number of children</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-35"><a href="#IPI_/_CAE_Identifier">35 IPI / CAE Identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-36"><a href="#investor">36 investor</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-37"><a href="#period_in_years">37 period in years</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-38"><a href="#UN/LOCODE">38 UN/LOCODE</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-39"><a href="#takeoff_and_landing_capability">39 takeoff and landing capability</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-40"><a href="#source_excludes_qualifier">40 source excludes qualifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-41"><a href="#BerlPap">41 BerlPap</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-42"><a href="#corpusdelaparole_language_ID">42 corpusdelaparole language ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-43"><a href="#Dyntaxa_ID">43 Dyntaxa ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-44"><a href="#type_is_held_by">44 type is held by</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-45"><a href="#conifers.org_ID">45 conifers.org ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-46"><a href="#PGCH_ID">46 PGCH ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-47"><a href="#Foursquare_venue_ID">47 Foursquare venue ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-48"><a href="#Discogs_artist_ID">48 Discogs artist ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-49"><a href="#Discogs_master_ID">49 Discogs master ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-50"><a href="#Discogs_label_ID">50 Discogs label ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-51"><a href="#Dizionario_Biografico_degli_Italiani_(DBI)">51 Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani (DBI)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-52"><a href="#species_kept">52 species kept</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-53"><a href="#LPSN_URL">53 LPSN URL</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-54"><a href="#Plazi_taxon_treatment_ID">54 Plazi taxon treatment ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-55"><a href="#TeX_string">55 TeX string</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-56"><a href="#Medical_specialty">56 Medical specialty</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-57"><a href="#Exif_model">57 Exif model</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-58"><a href="#Exif_make">58 Exif make</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-59"><a href="#sort_key">59 sort key</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-60"><a href="#Revised_Romanisation">60 Revised Romanisation</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-61"><a href="#Created_by_bot">61 Created by bot</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-62"><a href="#Twitter_username">62 Twitter username</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-63"><a href="#Instagram_username">63 Instagram username</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-64"><a href="#Facebook_iD">64 Facebook iD</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-65"><a href="#RSL_identifier_of_publication">65 RSL identifier of publication</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-66"><a href="#German_Biography_id">66 German Biography id</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-67"><a href="#Biblioteca_Nacional_de_Chile_catalogue_number">67 Biblioteca Nacional de Chile catalogue number</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-68"><a href="#National_Library_of_Ireland_authorities">68 National Library of Ireland authorities</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-69"><a href="#Encyclopaedia_Metallum_band_id">69 Encyclopaedia Metallum band id</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-70"><a href="#Trismegistos_ID">70 Trismegistos ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-71"><a href="#Dutch_Senate_person_identifier">71 Dutch Senate person identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-72"><a href="#BoxRec_ID">72 BoxRec ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-73"><a href="#INEGI_locality_identifier">73 INEGI locality identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-74"><a href="#lesarchivesduspectacle_ID">74 lesarchivesduspectacle ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-75"><a href="#NDB_number">75 NDB number</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-76"><a href="#The_Righteous_Among_The_Nations">76 The Righteous Among The Nations</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-77"><a href="#MCN_code">77 MCN code</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-78"><a href="#Delarge_ID">78 Delarge ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-79"><a href="#Encyclopaedia_Metallum_artist_id">79 Encyclopaedia Metallum artist id</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-80"><a href="#AllMusic_composition_ID">80 AllMusic composition ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-81"><a href="#DBI">81 DBI</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-82"><a href="#NALT_identifier">82 NALT identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-83"><a href="#Cooper-Hewitt_Person_ID">83 Cooper-Hewitt Person ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-84"><a href="#MoMA_artwork_id">84 MoMA artwork id</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-85"><a href="#PolSys_ID">85 PolSys ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-86"><a href="#parliament.uk_bio_link">86 parliament.uk bio link</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Number_of_elevators" data-mw-thread-id="h-Number_of_elevators-2015-06-01T06:14:00.000Z">Number of elevators</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2262253935">.mw-parser-output .property-navibox{background:var(--background-color-progressive-subtle,#f1f4fd);border:3px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1)}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-header{background:var(--background-color-progressive-subtle,#f1f4fd);outline:3px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1);padding:4px}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links{float:right;margin:0}body.rtl .mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links{float:left}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links li{display:inline;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links li:after{display:inline;content:" – "}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links li:last-child:after{content:none}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main{overflow-x:auto}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox table{display:table;overflow-x:visible}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main tr{vertical-align:text-top}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox[dir="ltr"] .property-navibox-main th{padding-right:1em;text-align:left}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox[dir="rtl"] .property-navibox-main th{padding-left:1em;text-align:right}@media(max-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-header{display:flex;flex-direction:column-reverse}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main>table>tbody>tr>td,.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main>table>tbody>tr>th{display:block}}</style><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>MISSING</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Infobox_Gratte-ciel" class="extiw" title="fr:Modèle:Infobox Gratte-ciel">fr:Modèle:Infobox Gratte-ciel</a>: ascenceur ; <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Infobox_Hochhaus" class="extiw" title="de:Vorlage:Infobox Hochhaus">de:Vorlage:Infobox Hochhaus</a>: Aufzüge; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Building" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox Building">en:Template:Infobox Building</a>: elevator_count</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>buildings</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>positive integer</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Used in various infobox templates and would be better handled at the Wikidata level. <a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Zolo-2015-06-01T06:14:00.000Z-Number_of_elevators" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:14, 1 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done - already exists, as <a href="/wiki/Property:P1301" title="Property:P1301">number of elevators (P1301)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-12T10:47:00.000Z-Number_of_elevators" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:47, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo"><bdi>Zolo</bdi></a>:. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-12T10:48:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-12T10:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:48, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="WMS-address" data-mw-thread-id="h-WMS-address-2014-09-27T16:51:00.000Z">WMS-address</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Address of basic WMS/WMTS/WCS/WFS services of a administrative regions. Use qualifiers to specify if service includes a type of information (e.g. just the roads, or water bodies, etc...)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#url" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">URL</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>?</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Add this property to administrative regions. The rank is not important just that they provide a WMS service.</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>URLs should be copy-pastable into any GIS program and readily connect to the service.</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q40" title="Q40">Austria (Q40)</a> = "<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://gisgba.geologie.ac.at/ArcGIS/services/karten_image/is_md_gk50/ImageServer/WMSServer">http://gisgba.geologie.ac.at/ArcGIS/services/karten_image/is_md_gk50/ImageServer/WMSServer</a>?" + Qualifier to say that it is only a geologic map with at most a 1:50000 scale.</td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>If possible</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Source is website that lists the address.</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Search the web for WMS adresses if possible.</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td>-<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2014-09-27T16:51:00.000Z-WMS-address" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 27 September 2014 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li>Motivation is to improve the accessibility of these open data services: -<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2014-09-27T16:51:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2014-09-27T16:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 27 September 2014 (UTC)</a></li> <li>Would also allow us to translate this list into other languages: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_online_map_services" class="extiw" title="en:List of online map services">en:List of online map services</a>. -<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2014-09-28T17:19:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2014-09-27T16:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 28 September 2014 (UTC)</a></li> <li>The URL given in the example has been displaying a server error, for several days. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-04-27T11:11:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2014-09-27T16:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 27 April 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done - still showing a server error. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-10T22:53:00.000Z-WMS-address" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:53, 10 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="CulturaItalia_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-CulturaItalia_ID-2015-05-26T11:41:00.000Z">CulturaItalia ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1949" title="Property:P1949">CulturaItalia ID</a> (P1949) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1949" title="Property talk:P1949">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>TBD (I'm planning to do an external link template on it.wp)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>oai:[source]:[identifier]</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>external reference</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>probably Mix'n'Match</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Q19858649" title="Q19858649">CulturaItalia (Q19858649)</a> is a project dedicated to the Italian cultural heritage, which combines the data coming from several cultural projects and transmits them to <a href="/wiki/Q234110" title="Q234110">Europeana (Q234110)</a>. This would be also part of the recently started collaboration between <a href="/wiki/Q15136611" title="Q15136611">Wikimedia Italia (Q15136611)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q3803707" title="Q3803707">Istituto Centrale per il Catalogo Unico (Q3803707)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Sannita_(ICCU)" title="User:Sannita (ICCU)">Sannita (ICCU)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sannita_(ICCU)" title="User talk:Sannita (ICCU)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sannita_(ICCU)-2015-05-26T11:41:00.000Z-CulturaItalia_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 26 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. @<a href="/wiki/User:Sannita_(ICCU)" title="User:Sannita (ICCU)"><bdi>Sannita (ICCU)</bdi></a>: how many objects you got there? If oai:culturaitalia.it: is a constant partn, shorten the ID by removing this part. --<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-05-29T11:29:00.000Z-CulturaItalia_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 29 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev"><bdi>Vladimir Alexiev</bdi></a>: I still don't know, I'm still trying to get the whole dataset. Unfortunately, I found out that "oai:culturaitalia.it" is not a constant part, since it defines the source the data comes from. Initially, it would probably just suffice, but there are other data sources in the database (such as <a href="/wiki/Q1069349" title="Q1069349">Touring Club Italiano (Q1069349)</a>), which are cited as such. Yeah, I know, it's not the way it should be, this is partly the reason why I work as a WiR at ICCU... :( --<a href="/wiki/User:Sannita_(ICCU)" title="User:Sannita (ICCU)">Sannita (ICCU)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sannita_(ICCU)" title="User talk:Sannita (ICCU)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sannita_(ICCU)-2015-06-02T12:39:00.000Z-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-05-29T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:39, 2 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>A little update: there will be for sure 489 possible matches coming from MuseiD-Italia, for sure I will start from them. <a href="/wiki/User:Sannita_(ICCU)" title="User:Sannita (ICCU)">Sannita (ICCU)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sannita_(ICCU)" title="User talk:Sannita (ICCU)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sannita_(ICCU)-2015-06-02T13:15:00.000Z-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-05-29T11:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 2 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Accurimbono" title="User:Accurimbono">Accurimbono</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Accurimbono" title="User talk:Accurimbono">talk</a>) 08:57, 13 June 2015 (UTC) <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:L736E&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:L736E (page does not exist)">L736E</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L736E" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:L736E">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Accurimbono-2015-06-13T08:57:00.000Z-CulturaItalia_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 14 June 2015 (UTC)</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:Sannita_(ICCU)" title="User:Sannita (ICCU)"><bdi>Sannita (ICCU)</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev"><bdi>Vladimir Alexiev</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Accurimbono" title="User:Accurimbono"><bdi>Accurimbono</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:L736E&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:L736E (page does not exist)"><bdi>L736E</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1949" title="Property:P1949">CulturaItalia ID (P1949)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-14T20:56:00.000Z-CulturaItalia_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 14 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="CERL_id" data-mw-thread-id="h-CERL_id-2015-06-05T18:37:00.000Z">CERL id</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Numeric ID from CERL Thesaurus - Consortium of European Research Libraries. Information at <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.cerl.org/resources/cerl_thesaurus/main">[1]</a> as well as the web search tool <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://thesaurus.cerl.org/cgi-bin/search.pl?start=true">here</a>.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>none</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>person, locations, corporates, organizations</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>11-char lowercase alphanumeric string</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q20046840" class="mw-redirect" title="Q20046840">Girolamo Cattaneo (Q20046840)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://thesaurus.cerl.org/record/cnp00871477">cnp00871477</a></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>regexp: <code>cn[cilp][0-9]{8}</code> (e.g. "cnp01234567")</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>external reference <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://thesaurus.cerl.org">http://thesaurus.cerl.org</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://thesaurus.cerl.org/record/$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> The CERL Thesaurus files places, names, personal names and corporate names coming mainly from material printed before the second half of XIX century. The files include multilanguage forms and variant spellings for each name, as well as the authority reference sources (e.g. GND, SBN,..). Fictious names are covered as well. All major European libraries cooperate in providing the authority information, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.cerl.org/resources/cerl_thesaurus/contents">full list here</a>. This is an identifier with continental scope (Europe). Contents are released with ODC-BY and CC-BY 2.0 licenses.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:L736E&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:L736E (page does not exist)">L736E</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L736E" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:L736E">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-L736E-2015-06-05T18:37:00.000Z-CERL_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support, <a href="/wiki/User:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hazmat2">Hazmat2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Hazmat2">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Hazmat2-2015-06-05T18:53:00.000Z-L736E-2015-06-05T18:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done Duplicate of <a href="/wiki/Property:P1871" title="Property:P1871">CERL Thesaurus ID (P1871)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-10T15:31:00.000Z-CERL_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:31, 10 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="religious_rank" data-mw-thread-id="h-religious_rank-2014-12-02T19:22:00.000Z">religious rank</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>subject's level in religious hierarchy</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"rank" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:infobox_Christian_leader" class="extiw" title="en:template:infobox Christian leader">en:template:infobox Christian leader</a>, "rank" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:infobox_Jewish_leader" class="extiw" title="en:template:infobox Jewish leader">en:template:infobox Jewish leader</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Persons</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>subclass of <a href="/wiki/Q4164871" title="Q4164871">position (Q4164871)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q28640" title="Q28640">profession (Q28640)</a> (eg. <a href="/wiki/Q29182" title="Q29182">bishop (Q29182)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Q45722" title="Q45722">cardinal (Q45722)</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1706916" title="Q1706916">Joseph Ritter (Q1706916)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q45722" title="Q45722">cardinal (Q45722)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>external reference, Wikipedia list article (either infobox or source)</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Sweet_kate" title="User:Sweet kate">Sweet kate</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sweet_kate" title="User talk:Sweet kate">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> In a variety of religious infobox templates. Rank here is independent of the occupation or position of a person, and is more analogous to <a href="/wiki/Property:P410" title="Property:P410">military or police rank (P410)</a>. Alias: rank. <a href="/wiki/User:Sweet_kate" title="User:Sweet kate">Sweet kate</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sweet_kate" title="User talk:Sweet kate">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sweet_kate-2014-12-02T19:22:00.000Z-religious_rank" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:22, 2 December 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/15px-BA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/23px-BA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/30px-BA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="190" data-file-height="200"/> Weak oppose If <a href="/wiki/Property:P39" title="Property:P39">position held (P39)</a> is not enough, try <a href="/wiki/Property:P511" title="Property:P511">honorific prefix (P511)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P512" title="Property:P512">academic degree (P512)</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Giftzwerg_88" title="User:Giftzwerg 88">Giftzwerg 88</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giftzwerg_88" title="User talk:Giftzwerg 88">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Giftzwerg_88-2014-12-03T23:50:00.000Z-Sweet_kate-2014-12-02T19:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:50, 3 December 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Hmmm. But it is not a position, honorific prefix, or academic degree. It's a rank. It does not relate to the position held or education earned. And honorific prefixes are already used in different ways for these same people — someone with religious rank <a href="/wiki/Q45722" title="Q45722">cardinal (Q45722)</a> has the honorific prefix <a href="/wiki/Q1337757" title="Q1337757">His Eminence (Q1337757)</a>. I see that <a href="/wiki/Property:P410" title="Property:P410">military or police rank (P410)</a> was <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/4#P410" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/4">approved with no real issues</a>, and I am unsure how this is really any different. --<a href="/wiki/User:Sweet_kate" title="User:Sweet kate">Sweet kate</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sweet_kate" title="User talk:Sweet kate">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sweet_kate-2014-12-04T15:47:00.000Z-Giftzwerg_88-2014-12-03T23:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 4 December 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>(See my further thoughts <s>above</s> below under consecration date too.) <a href="/wiki/User:Sweet_kate" title="User:Sweet kate">Sweet kate</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sweet_kate" title="User talk:Sweet kate">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sweet_kate-2014-12-04T15:55:00.000Z-Sweet_kate-2014-12-04T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 4 December 2014 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sweet_kate" title="User:Sweet kate"><bdi>Sweet kate</bdi></a>: What's the difference beetween a rank and a position ? Positions can be hierarchicaly ordered (hence the ranking). And usually cardinals are cardinal of somewhere, just like mayors. The difference seems to be the organisation, a state or a church, that's all ... <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-06-10T19:13:00.000Z-Sweet_kate-2014-12-04T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 10 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support I think this is a separate semantic concept that can't be covered by existing properties. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2014-12-23T09:26:00.000Z-Sweet_kate-2014-12-02T19:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:26, 23 December 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Why do you think <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> can´t do the job? Meanwhile I´ve weekened my position, but I think we need a more generic concept, that can be used for military ranks as well or every other hierarchy. I tend to widen up the use of <a href="/wiki/Property:P410" title="Property:P410">military or police rank (P410)</a> and change the label from "military rank" to "rank" instead of creating a new one.--<a href="/wiki/User:Giftzwerg_88" title="User:Giftzwerg 88">Giftzwerg 88</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giftzwerg_88" title="User talk:Giftzwerg 88">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Giftzwerg_88-2015-01-25T11:34:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2014-12-23T09:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:34, 25 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>You wouldn't use <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> for particulars like this anymore than you'd use it to replace <a href="/wiki/Property:P39" title="Property:P39">position held (P39)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation (P106)</a> — an individual is always inherently a human, but not inherently, at their essence, a particular rank (or position or occupation). Ranks have start dates, and go in and out of being "true"/preferred. (Once you're promoted to colonel you're not a private anymore.) I'd be fine expanding <a href="/wiki/Property:P410" title="Property:P410">military or police rank (P410)</a>, but I don't know if the military-knowledgeable people would have a reason to disagree? If we do that I'd want that to have a mandatory qualifier of <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> — a person is rank "bishop" <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> => the Catholic Church or rank "general" <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> => the US Army. (Or whatever. Really it seems like that should be mandatory with <a href="/wiki/Property:P410" title="Property:P410">military or police rank (P410)</a> anyway. Ranks only mean anything if you know what the ranking system is.) <a href="/wiki/User:Sweet_kate" title="User:Sweet kate">Sweet kate</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sweet_kate" title="User talk:Sweet kate">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sweet_kate-2015-01-27T18:18:00.000Z-Giftzwerg_88-2015-01-25T11:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>OK. I´d support to modify <a href="/wiki/Property:P410" title="Property:P410">military or police rank (P410)</a> in order to be able to use it for all kinds of hierarchy and to make <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> mandatory to describe what kind of hierarchy.--<a href="/wiki/User:Giftzwerg_88" title="User:Giftzwerg 88">Giftzwerg 88</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giftzwerg_88" title="User talk:Giftzwerg 88">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Giftzwerg_88-2015-01-31T13:13:00.000Z-Sweet_kate-2015-01-27T18:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:13, 31 January 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>Agreed, <a href="/wiki/Property:P410" title="Property:P410">military or police rank (P410)</a> should be able to be expanded, as even if someone holds both a military and a religious rank, qualifiers can define which hierarchy each is held within. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-02-27T18:15:00.000Z-Sweet_kate-2015-01-27T18:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 27 February 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose for Catholic Church: <a href="/wiki/Q29182" title="Q29182">bishop (Q29182)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Q45722" title="Q45722">cardinal (Q45722)</a> are fonctions not ranks. — <a href="/wiki/User:Ayack" title="User:Ayack">Ayack</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ayack" title="User talk:Ayack">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Ayack-2015-03-13T16:30:00.000Z-religious_rank" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 13 March 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Wrong, a bishop is not a function. This a special ceremony to become bishop and the bishop gets some special attributes which are independent of its function. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Snipre-2015-05-29T18:43:00.000Z-Ayack-2015-03-13T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 29 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>The mysterious of human semantic will always astonish me. <dl><dd>This is simple: a position is something you can leave after X years, you can stop to a bishop or a carinal even once you retired. It is like a PhD or a doctor title: once you have it you can keep it all our life. For example you don't have a end tiem parameter for cardinal or bishop. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Snipre-2015-06-11T05:54:00.000Z-Snipre-2015-05-29T18:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:54, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>: Mmm I think that in france we are supposed to call a former prime minister or a president monsieur le président even after they left ... <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-06-11T16:38:00.000Z-Snipre-2015-06-11T05:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: Please read that <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cbishops/documents/rc_con_cbishops_doc_20040222_apostolorum-successores_fr.html">document</a>, chapter 9, to see how is considered a retired bishop: "L’Évêque émérite continue d’être membre du Collège épiscopal « en vertu de la consécration sacramentelle et par la communion hiérarchique entre le chef et les membres du Collège »". So he is still considered as a bishop and can act as a bishop in administrative way. He can participate to bishop conferences and can represent an episcopal conference of a country. This is not an honorific title like for civil positions but can still have interactions in the "government of Church" (see his possibility to take part to Concile if invited). I never see an old president taking part to several ministres meetings. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Snipre-2015-06-11T20:58:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-06-11T16:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/15px-BA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/23px-BA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/30px-BA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="190" data-file-height="200"/> Weak oppose Other properties seems to do the job quite well, and we do not really have clear definitions of the differences. If we had we could see the similarities and see whether or not the context is enough ... for example if <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ bishop ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P31&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ catholic rank ⟩</div> and <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ the bishop ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P31&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ bishop ⟩</div>, and <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ the bishop ⟩ position help <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:position_help" title="Special:Search/Property:position help">Search</a> ⟨ paris bishop ⟩ Q382920 <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:Q382920" title="Special:Search/Property:Q382920">Search</a> ⟨ {{{5}}} ⟩</div>, and <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ the bishop ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P31&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ bishop ⟩</div>, what's the matter, with bishop defined as catholic person ordained by others bishop, <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ bishop ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P279&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ human ⟩</div>, and <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ The bishop ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P793" title="Property:P793">significant event (P793)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P793&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ ordination ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P585" title="Property:P585">point in time (P585)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P585&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ whatever date ⟩ ordinator <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:ordinator" title="Special:Search/Property:ordinator">Search</a> ⟨ theotherbishop1 ⟩ ordinator <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:ordinator" title="Special:Search/Property:ordinator">Search</a> ⟨ theotherbishop2... ⟩</div> (or with an event item for its ordination) ? <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-06-10T19:13:00.000Z-Ayack-2015-03-13T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:13, 10 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Strong oppose It is an office like any other.. No argument is given why it should be different. <a href="/wiki/User:GerardM" title="User:GerardM">GerardM</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GerardM" title="User talk:GerardM">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-GerardM-2015-06-11T07:37:00.000Z-Ayack-2015-03-13T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:37, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done. Consensus has not been established for a new property. Please use existing properties instead. <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-11T12:05:00.000Z-Ayack-2015-03-13T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Database_of_Classical_Scholars" data-mw-thread-id="h-Database_of_Classical_Scholars-2015-05-30T18:43:00.000Z">Database of Classical Scholars</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1935" title="Property:P1935">Database of Classical Scholars ID</a> (P1935) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1935" title="Property talk:P1935">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Database of Classical Scholars</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>items on persons</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>number</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>external reference</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>yes</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> The Database of Classical Scholars (DBCS) is a project by Ward W. Briggs and the Center for Digital Humanities of the University of South Carolina. The DBCS provides biographical and bibliographical information on scholars from the US and the UK, but aspires to some day cover all of America and Europe. All data is licensed under CC BY-SA 4.0 and therefor very useful to the Wikimedia projects. Since many of my articles are based on DBCS entries and many more articles are still to be created, it would be very useful to add this as a reference. <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User:Jonathan Groß">Jonathan Groß</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User talk:Jonathan Groß">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jonathan_Groß-2015-05-30T18:43:00.000Z-Database_of_Classical_Scholars" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 30 May 2015 (UTC)</a> P.S.: I already created a BEACON list of all the entries in the database and will add the property to all fitting WD items. Transclusion to other Wikimedia projects (with a template in the "external links" section) would be a good thing, too. <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User:Jonathan Groß">Jonathan Groß</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User talk:Jonathan Groß">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jonathan_Groß-2015-06-03T06:55:00.000Z-Database_of_Classical_Scholars" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:55, 3 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd>Better move this proposal to persons page. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Snipre-2015-06-03T07:11:00.000Z-Database_of_Classical_Scholars" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:11, 3 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata%3AProperty_proposal%2FReferences&type=revision&diff=221219356&oldid=221079472">Done</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User:Jonathan Groß">Jonathan Groß</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User talk:Jonathan Groß">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jonathan_Groß-2015-06-05T08:57:00.000Z-Snipre-2015-06-03T07:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:57, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support but the datatype should be 'string' since the number is an identifier, not a quantity - 1.5 doesn't mean anything. Should probably be on the 'Authority control' rather than the persons page. Once it's created the info can be added to the authority control template on wikipedia. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-06-03T08:24:00.000Z-Snipre-2015-06-03T07:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:24, 3 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Alright, changed it accordingly. <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User:Jonathan Groß">Jonathan Groß</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User talk:Jonathan Groß">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jonathan_Groß-2015-06-03T17:43:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-06-03T08:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-06-05T17:54:00.000Z-Snipre-2015-06-03T07:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User:Jonathan Groß"><bdi>Jonathan Groß</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner"><bdi>Joshbaumgartner</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1935" title="Property:P1935">Database of Classical Scholars ID (P1935)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-10T22:43:00.000Z-Database_of_Classical_Scholars" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:43, 10 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Project_Gutenberg_author_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Project_Gutenberg_author_ID-2014-11-29T15:15:00.000Z">Project Gutenberg author ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1938" title="Property:P1938">Project Gutenberg author ID</a> (P1938) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1938" title="Property talk:P1938">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Author identifier at <a href="/wiki/Q22673" title="Q22673">Project Gutenberg (Q22673)</a>.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>Tends to be in external links on Wikipedia</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>People, possibly groups, companies etc.</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Stems of Project Gutenberg author URLs</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q16031468" title="Q16031468">David Christie Murray (Q16031468)</a> => 25179 (resolves to <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/25179">http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/25179</a> )</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>External links section on Wikipedia; Project Gutenberg</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Possible</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Useful disambiguator; and source of open-source texts. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2014-11-29T15:15:00.000Z-Project_Gutenberg_author_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 29 November 2014 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment: shouldn't this be "25179" in the sample? <ul><li>Yes; fixed, thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2014-11-30T18:34:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2014-11-29T15:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 30 November 2014 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li>I'd add ".org" to the name of the property as texts may be available elsewhere. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2014-11-30T13:43:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2014-11-29T15:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 30 November 2014 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>The text may be, but this is the identifier at "Project Gutenberg"; there's only one of those. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2014-11-30T18:34:00.000Z-Jura1-2014-11-30T13:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 30 November 2014 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment I have a lot of experience with PG. I have just completed a project to map all 20,000+ author names on the PG website to equivalent Wikipedia article names. Often names differ wildly so its not easy to determine that "XYZ" on PG is the same as "DFG" on Wikipedia. But I have compiled a database that is complete, about 9200 names map to Wikipedia, the rest have no Wikipedia article. The database is not based on numbers, but on names. Because PG does not make public author numbers, and they disallow robots from scraping the site to find them. So for the example above, in the PG database (available in catalog.rdf at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Feeds">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Feeds</a>) it maps to "Murray, David Christie" which can be found with the URL <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.gutenberg.org/author/Murray,+David+Christie">http://www.gutenberg.org/author/Murray,+David+Christie</a> .. there are no author numbers in the Gutenberg catalog. Further, it is sometimes better so search on names because Gutenberg has duplicates in the database where the same person has two different accounts under slightly different (or related) names - doing a link via name thus finds them not just one. I guess this is a long story, but before this field is created and work put into, I suggest we contact PG and find out what they suggest is best going forward: using the publicly available name info found in catalog.rdf - or use the author number which is not publicly available in any database and can't be scrapped from the website and we have no idea if PG plans on keeping those numbers in the future. I don't normally log into Wikidata feel free to contact me over at en. -- <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Green_Cardamom&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Green Cardamom (page does not exist)">Green Cardamom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Green_Cardamom" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Green Cardamom">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Green_Cardamom-2015-01-27T20:49:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2014-11-29T15:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 27 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>The page you link to - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.gutenberg.org/author/Murray,+David+Christie">http://www.gutenberg.org/author/Murray,+David+Christie</a> - is a search page, not an author profile. The author page, to which your example links, is the one I give in my example. Compare <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/authors/search/?query=Smith+John">http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/authors/search/?query=Smith+John</a> which list several people called "John Smith", or variants thereof. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-02-13T22:16:00.000Z-Green_Cardamom-2015-01-27T20:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:16, 13 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a> - This is true the author profile page has a number <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/25179">https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/25179</a> .. however this number is not publicly available - there is no way to get it as PG won't allow scrapping. (Short of someone manually checking each author page which is nearly impossible at this scale.) I don't know if this number will remain consistent - there is probably a reason PG doesn't publish the number in its database at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Feeds">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Feeds</a> - they may change the numbers in the future? However I can try to contact PG again and see what they say about this and if they would allow scrapping. -- <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Green_Cardamom&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Green Cardamom (page does not exist)">Green Cardamom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Green_Cardamom" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Green Cardamom">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Green_Cardamom-2015-05-13T15:57:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-02-13T22:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 13 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment ps. if name strings are used instead of numbers, there will need to be a mechanism for multiple IDs since that is the case sometimes. For example multiple people share the same Wikipedia article (husband and wife authors etc) but whom each have unique PG name IDs. -- <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Green_Cardamom&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Green Cardamom (page does not exist)">Green Cardamom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Green_Cardamom" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Green Cardamom">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Green_Cardamom-2015-01-27T20:53:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2014-11-29T15:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 27 January 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Also.. there are <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gutenberg#Affiliated_projects">multiple Project Gutenbergs</a>. -- <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Green_Cardamom&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Green Cardamom (page does not exist)">Green Cardamom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Green_Cardamom" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Green Cardamom">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Green_Cardamom-2015-01-28T13:31:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2014-11-29T15:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:31, 28 January 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support even tough it will be tricky to map the PG identifiers with Wikidata items --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-20T22:49:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2014-11-29T15:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:49, 20 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1938" title="Property:P1938">Project Gutenberg author ID (P1938)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-11T11:57:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2014-11-29T15:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:57, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Murdered" data-mw-thread-id="h-Murdered-2015-05-03T08:29:00.000Z">Murdered</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>This is a property to link murderers to their victims</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q16266334" class="mw-redirect" title="Q16266334">murderer</a> (Q16266334)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>Wikipedia infobox parameters, if any; ex: "population" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:infobox_settlement" class="extiw" title="en:template:infobox settlement">en:template:infobox settlement</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>human</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>type of linked items (Q template or text), list or range of allowed values, string pattern...</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q742496" title="Q742496">Johan Barger (Q742496)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q19685470" title="Q19685470">Cato Mirande (Q19685470)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>(sample: 7 digit number can be validated with edit filter <a href="/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/17" title="Special:AbuseFilter/17">Special:AbuseFilter/17</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc.</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Should or are bots or gadgets doing any task with this? (Checking other properties for consistency, collecting data, etc.)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> I was looking for a way to link murderers to their victims. This is the inverse of <a href="/wiki/Property:P157" title="Property:P157">killed by (P157)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jane023-2015-05-03T08:29:00.000Z-Murdered" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:29, 3 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment last discussion: <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/23#killed" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/23">Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/23#killed</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-04T20:53:00.000Z-Murdered" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:53, 4 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Thanks for the link! Should I go support that one? Because I totally agree we need it. For well known murderers, it's nice to be able to link them actively to their victims and not just passively (through queries). I frankly also don't understand the objection to the inverse-property-principle, so if you could direct me there I will go oppose that one too. Thx. <a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jane023-2015-05-05T10:00:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-05-04T20:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:00, 5 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I think, if an inverse property is needed (I have no strong opinion on this matter), the original proposal "killed" would be are more fitting inverse of "killed by" than "murdered". After all, the other property isn't called "murdered by" and people might also be killed by an executioner in countries that apply the death penalty (such as the U.S.) or in other cases which aren't considered murder by law. <a href="/wiki/User:Gestumblindi" title="User:Gestumblindi">Gestumblindi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gestumblindi" title="User talk:Gestumblindi">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Gestumblindi-2015-05-05T21:33:00.000Z-Jane023-2015-05-05T10:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 5 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>I'd like to see wider consensus on inverse properties; they seem to me to be redundant. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-05-21T12:01:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-05-04T20:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 21 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>It's indeed redundant information and users adding claims need to do the work twice. However, one big issue is that the software doesn't yet allow querying. To get for example the name of the person who was killed by <a href="/wiki/Q742496" title="Q742496">Johan Barger (Q742496)</a>, you need the query <a class="external text" href="http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/?wdq=claim%5B157%3A742496%5D&run=Run%7C">claim[157:742496]</a> but that is not yet supported by the software. Nevertheless, it looks like the development team is hard working on the query engine and therefore it seems to me a waste of resources to create now an inverse property. That said, I'm <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> opposing this proposal. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-21T12:19:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-05-21T12:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 21 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-11T12:15:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-05-04T20:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="turned_pro" data-mw-thread-id="h-turned_pro-2015-05-21T21:14:00.000Z">turned pro</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>year that an athlete gains professional status</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#time" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Point in time</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"turnedpro" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:infobox_tennis_biography" class="extiw" title="en:template:infobox tennis biography">en:template:infobox tennis biography</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2066131" title="Q2066131">athlete (Q2066131)</a> and its subclasses</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>a year</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q7407" title="Q7407">Andre Agassi (Q7407)</a> → 1986</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>the ATP or WTA website</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> I don't think we have a property for this, but it's useful info. --<a href="/wiki/User:AmaryllisGardener" title="User:AmaryllisGardener">AmaryllisGardener</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmaryllisGardener" title="User talk:AmaryllisGardener">talk</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-AmaryllisGardener-2015-05-21T21:14:00.000Z-turned_pro" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose Use <a href="/wiki/Property:P793" title="Property:P793">significant event (P793)</a>; or add a <a href="/wiki/Property:P580" title="Property:P580">start time (P580)</a> qualifier to <a href="/wiki/Property:P106" title="Property:P106">occupation (P106)</a> (your example <a href="/wiki/Q7407" title="Q7407">Andre Agassi (Q7407)</a> already uses the latter). <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-05-22T10:31:00.000Z-AmaryllisGardener-2015-05-21T21:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:31, 22 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose per <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Pigsonthewing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">contribs</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Log/Pigsonthewing">logs</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-06-05T17:46:00.000Z-AmaryllisGardener-2015-05-21T21:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-11T12:16:00.000Z-AmaryllisGardener-2015-05-21T21:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:16, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Location_map" data-mw-thread-id="h-Location_map-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z">Location map</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1943" title="Property:P1943">location map</a> (P1943) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1943" title="Property talk:P1943">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5625881" title="Q5625881">Template:Location map (Q5625881)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>place</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>maps</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q173" title="Q173">Alabama (Q173)</a>=><a href="/wiki/File:USA_Alabama_location_map.svg" title="File:USA Alabama location map.svg">File:USA Alabama location map.svg</a> (northwest coordinate=35.2N, 88.7W; southeast coordinate=29.9N, 84.7W); <a href="/wiki/Q30" title="Q30">United States of America (Q30)</a>=><a href="/wiki/File:Usa_edcp_location_map.svg" title="File:Usa edcp location map.svg">File:Usa edcp location map.svg</a> (relief map: <a href="/wiki/File:Usa_edcp_relief_location_map.png" title="File:Usa edcp relief location map.png">File:Usa edcp relief location map.png</a>; x: "50.0 + 124.03149777329222 * ((1.9694462586094064-($1 * pi / 180)) * sin(0.6010514667026994 * ($2 + 96) * pi / 180))"; y: "50.0 + 1.6155950752393982 * 124.03149777329222 * ( 0.02613325650382181 - (1.3236744353715044 - (1.9694462586094064 - ($1 * pi / 180)) * cos(0.6010514667026994 * ($2 + 96) * pi / 180)))")</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-GZWDer-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z-Location_map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 6 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>How does location map differ from detail map (<a href="/wiki/Property:P1621" title="Property:P1621">detail map (P1621)</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-01-21T19:18:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:18, 21 January 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer"><bdi>GZWDer</bdi></a>: Would you like to respond. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-04-24T20:57:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 24 April 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>For example, <a href="/wiki/File:Southwark_areas.png" title="File:Southwark areas.png">File:Southwark_areas.png</a> is not useful as it includes unneeded information.--<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-GZWDer-2015-04-25T14:11:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-04-24T20:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:11, 25 April 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer"><bdi>GZWDer</bdi></a>: Do you mean <a href="/wiki/File:Southwark_areas.png" title="File:Southwark areas.png">File:Southwark_areas.png</a> is not useful for location map or detail map? --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-04-26T07:19:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-04-25T14:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:19, 26 April 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>not useful for location map, location map should not include names of districts.--<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-GZWDer-2015-04-26T11:24:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-04-26T07:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:24, 26 April 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-05-17T23:58:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:58, 17 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-20T22:00:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 20 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-12T21:21:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="OpenStreetMap_Node_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-OpenStreetMap_Node_identifier-2015-01-22T11:44:00.000Z">OpenStreetMap Node identifier</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The ID of the node of this place/object in <a href="/wiki/Q936" title="Q936">OpenStreetMap (Q936)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>put Wikipedia infobox parameters here, if existing; ex: "population" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:infobox_settlement" class="extiw" title="en:template:infobox settlement">en:template:infobox settlement</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>place</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>???</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/$1">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/$1</a></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Agamitsudo" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Agamitsudo">Agamitsudo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Agamitsudo" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Agamitsudo">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Hi, Today there is this OSM property <a class="external autonumber" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P402">[2]</a> based on "relation". It would be great to have same properties for "node" and "way": <ul><li>OpenStreetMap Node identifier, based on this url => <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/$1">https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/$1</a></li> <li>OpenStreetMap Way identifier, based on this url => <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/$1">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/$1</a></li></ul> Thank you, --<a href="/wiki/User:Agamitsudo" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Agamitsudo">Agamitsudo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Agamitsudo" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Agamitsudo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Agamitsudo-2015-01-22T11:44:00.000Z-OpenStreetMap_Node_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:44, 22 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose OSM identifiers are not stable. Tag the node in OSM, with the Wikdiata ID (See <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikidata">Key:wikidata</a>), and use <a href="/wiki/Property:P625" title="Property:P625">coordinate location (P625)</a> to find it. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-03-06T20:52:00.000Z-Agamitsudo-2015-01-22T11:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 6 March 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-12T21:47:00.000Z-Agamitsudo-2015-01-22T11:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Mapillary" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mapillary-2015-03-02T10:05:00.000Z">Mapillary</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1947" title="Property:P1947">Mapillary ID</a> (P1947) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1947" title="Property talk:P1947">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Physical objects which can be photographed</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Polyglot" title="User:Polyglot">Polyglot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polyglot" title="User talk:Polyglot">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> It would be good if we could link to pictures and picture sequences which are available at Mapillary.com. Sometimes as proof/source/reference. Often times for illustration purposes. Even though the link points to 1 image, the user can then browse forward and backward to get an idea of what surrounds the object. <a href="/wiki/User:Polyglot" title="User:Polyglot">Polyglot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polyglot" title="User talk:Polyglot">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Polyglot-2015-03-02T10:05:00.000Z-Mapillary" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:05, 2 March 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I suggest to treat that as an external (authority) ID and change the type to "string". The AuthorityControl gadget can take care of the linking. Eventually, Wikibase will be able to do that natively, I hope. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Kinzler_(WMDE)" title="User:Daniel Kinzler (WMDE)">Daniel Kinzler (WMDE)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Kinzler_(WMDE)" title="User talk:Daniel Kinzler (WMDE)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Daniel_Kinzler_(WMDE)-2015-03-02T13:06:00.000Z-Polyglot-2015-03-02T10:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:06, 2 March 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Polyglot" title="User:Polyglot"><bdi>Polyglot</bdi></a>: Please provide an example which maps a Mapillary ID to a specified item in Wikidata. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-03-02T13:31:00.000Z-Polyglot-2015-03-02T10:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Like this: <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q19368857&diff=prev&oldid=200641834">https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q19368857&diff=prev&oldid=200641834</a> ? <dl><dd>"Example" rewritten based on that. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-05-17T23:17:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-03-02T13:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 17 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support change type to string and use <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/$1">https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/$1</a> as formatter url -- <a href="/wiki/User:T.seppelt" title="User:T.seppelt">T.seppelt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:T.seppelt" title="User talk:T.seppelt">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-T.seppelt-2015-05-03T18:01:00.000Z-Mapillary" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 3 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support useful for references --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-15T15:04:00.000Z-T.seppelt-2015-05-03T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 15 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>As to the diff given above: <a href="/wiki/Property:P854" title="Property:P854">reference URL (P854)</a> should be more appropriate in references than <a href="/wiki/Property:P1325" title="Property:P1325">external data available at URL (P1325)</a>.</dd> <dd>And in a more general vein: Do we have a way to use the zillion properties with <a href="/wiki/Property:P1630" title="Property:P1630">formatter URL (P1630)</a> also within the context of references? Wouldn't we need sub-qualifiers for that? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel">Gymel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gymel" title="User talk:Gymel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Gymel-2015-05-15T16:10:00.000Z-T.seppelt-2015-05-03T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 15 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I disagree about <a href="/wiki/Property:P854" title="Property:P854">reference URL (P854)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1325" title="Property:P1325">external data available at URL (P1325)</a>. This is not suitable for use as a reference as it is crowdsourced info but it is useful for two way sharing of info (we can tell our readers where to find more photos and they can add infoboxes to their pages based on our info). A dedicated property is appropriate for that or, failing that, use <a href="/wiki/Property:P1325" title="Property:P1325">external data available at URL (P1325)</a>.</dd> <dd>Stuff in the "reference" section is there to describe the reference so database/authority control type properties that do that are welcome in the 'reference section unless they apply to the entire referenced work, in which case they should be in the item for that work.</dd> <dd>Hope that helps. Having said all that I <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support this property but I think it would be better with string or database ID datatype. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-05-17T23:17:00.000Z-Gymel-2015-05-15T16:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 17 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-13T22:07:00.000Z-T.seppelt-2015-05-03T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:07, 13 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="second_surname_in_Spanish_name" data-mw-thread-id="h-second_surname_in_Spanish_name-2014-09-06T09:03:00.000Z">second surname in Spanish name</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1950" title="Property:P1950">second family name in Spanish name</a> (P1950) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1950" title="Property talk:P1950">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Spanish generally consist of two parts: the paternal and the maternal family name, see <a href="/wiki/Q259614" title="Q259614">Spanish naming customs (Q259614)</a>. This property is for the second (or maternal) family name.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Spanish_name" class="extiw" title="w:Template:Spanish name">w:Template:Spanish name</a> and others on <a href="/wiki/Q5623839" title="Q5623839">Template:Spanish name (Q5623839)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>persons</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>surnames</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5878" title="Q5878">Gabriel García Márquez</a>: <a href="/wiki/Q17984015" class="mw-redirect" title="Q17984015">Márquez (Q17984015)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q17515" title="Q17515">Diego Armando Maradona Franco</a>: <a href="/wiki/Q17983447" title="Q17983447">Franco (Q17983447)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Spanish_name" class="extiw" title="w:Template:Spanish name">w:Template:Spanish name</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> This can help reduce confusion around Spanish names. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2014-09-06T09:03:00.000Z-second_surname_in_Spanish_name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:03, 6 September 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Would this be a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matronymic" class="extiw" title="w:Matronymic">matronymic</a> or a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matriname" class="extiw" title="w:Matriname">matriname</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Yair_rand-2014-09-10T04:33:00.000Z-Jura1-2014-09-06T09:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:33, 10 September 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Generally, but not necessarily. The first page you link has a section on it. For a more detailed explanation, see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_naming_customs" class="extiw" title="w:Spanish naming customs">w:Spanish naming customs</a>. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2014-09-11T06:20:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2014-09-10T04:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:20, 11 September 2014 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Changed to "hispanic" which is more inclusive.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2014-10-20T22:45:00.000Z-Jura1-2014-09-06T09:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose: Why would we think of the first word in a surname as being more <a href="/wiki/Property:P734" title="Property:P734">family name (P734)</a> than a second (or third or fourth) is? One can easily use <a href="/wiki/Property:P734" title="Property:P734">family name (P734)</a> with qualifiers like <a href="/wiki/Property:P1545" title="Property:P1545">series ordinal (P1545)</a>"1"<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2202089130">.mw-parser-output .statement{margin:0 .2em;background:var(--background-color-base,#fff);color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1)}.mw-parser-output .statement .subject{padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .predicate{background:var(--background-color-neutral,#eaecf0);color:var(--color-emphasized,#000);padding:0 .2em}.mw-parser-output .statement .object{padding:0 .2em}</style> (and optionally <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a><a href="/wiki/Q223375" title="Q223375">patrilineality (Q223375)</a><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> if it is from the father's surname) for the first surname and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1545" title="Property:P1545">series ordinal (P1545)</a>"2"<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> (and optionally <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a><a href="/wiki/Q1136773" title="Q1136773">matrilineality (Q1136773)</a><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2202089130"> if it is from the mother's surname) for the second surname. --<a href="/wiki/User:Closeapple" title="User:Closeapple">Closeapple</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Closeapple" title="User talk:Closeapple">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Closeapple-2014-10-25T08:24:00.000Z-Jura1-2014-09-06T09:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:24, 25 October 2014 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>How can we query these? Are there any working samples for this? --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2014-10-25T08:27:00.000Z-Closeapple-2014-10-25T08:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:27, 25 October 2014 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><a class="external text" href="http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q=CLAIM%5B734%5D%7BCLAIM%5B1545%5D%7D">WikidataQuery <code>CLAIM[734]{CLAIM[1545]}</code></a> ought to list anything that gets one. What working samples are we looking for? --<a href="/wiki/User:Closeapple" title="User:Closeapple">Closeapple</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Closeapple" title="User talk:Closeapple">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Closeapple-2014-10-26T08:46:00.000Z-Jura1-2014-10-25T08:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:46, 26 October 2014 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>You'd need to identify items that have 1st, but not 2nd. Or items that have one that isn't marked as 1st or 2nd. Furthermore, you need to make sure that P734 keeps working for non Hispanic names. Many things that are actually easier with a distinct property. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2014-10-26T17:51:00.000Z-Closeapple-2014-10-26T08:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 26 October 2014 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Aren't those all things that would also have to be dealt with if there is a new property? --<a href="/wiki/User:Closeapple" title="User:Closeapple">Closeapple</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Closeapple" title="User talk:Closeapple">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Closeapple-2014-10-27T04:41:00.000Z-Jura1-2014-10-26T17:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:41, 27 October 2014 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>It's quite straightforward with a new property for the second surname. You can easily use it to check for claims in combination with claims for people born in Spain or people of Spanish nationality. Besides, there is no confusions about the sequence of the surnames and the multiplicity. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2014-10-27T17:27:00.000Z-Closeapple-2014-10-27T04:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 27 October 2014 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd>Use 'Birth Name' or 'Name in native language' or 'Official name' to give the exact layout of the name and 'surname' with multiple values to list all the surnames (some people have more than 2). <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2014-10-31T22:19:00.000Z-Jura1-2014-09-06T09:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 31 October 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>This can't really be done with these properties. It's not a question of multiple names, but of sequence (and meaning) specific to Spanish names. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-03-07T12:05:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2014-10-31T22:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 7 March 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> The sequence is given in the Label or the "Birth Name". We don't need to specify this in the "family name"statement. There may be cases where you want to specify which "family name" comes from the mothers family. This is a job for a qualifier. I suggest we use <a href="/wiki/Property:P138" title="Property:P138">named after (P138)</a>. If we have a separate property then it becomes more difficult to compile lists of people with that family name since some will use the "Family name" property and some would use this separate property. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-03-13T13:50:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-03-07T12:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:50, 13 March 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>It's not "some". This applies to a specific field. Did you read the related article? --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-03-21T05:08:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-03-13T13:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:08, 21 March 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I did read the article. It says customs vary over time and between different spanish speaking countries. My proposal works for double barrelled surnames whatever their origin. It even works if a couple choose to put the maternal family name before the paternal family which is sometimes done by hispanic people living away from hispanic countries (so they have both surnames but the paternal name is last as English speaking immigration officials expect). <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-04-24T02:07:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-03-21T05:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:07, 24 April 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support I have been looking for something like this to track family relationships. Also, in many Hispanic American countries, a person must have two surnames by law. Depending on the country, these are called first/second surname or paternal/maternal surname. <a href="/wiki/User:Andreasmperu" title="User:Andreasmperu">Andreasm</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andreasmperu" title="User talk:Andreasmperu">háblame / just talk to me</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Andreasmperu-2015-05-28T03:36:00.000Z-Jura1-2014-09-06T09:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:36, 28 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose, per Closeapple. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Yair_rand-2015-05-28T03:48:00.000Z-Jura1-2014-09-06T09:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:48, 28 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Qualifier thingies don't work well to do that. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-05-28T04:01:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-05-28T03:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:01, 28 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>Moreover, it is not as simple as a sorting order: both surnames do not have the same relevance. Both surnames appear in all personal documentation (passports, bank accounts, etc), but the second surname can be excluded in some contexts (informal conversations, presentation cards), which is not the case for the first surname. So, a person can choose to present him/herself by both surnames (<a href="/wiki/Q39803" title="Q39803">Mario Vargas Llosa (Q39803)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q5878" title="Q5878">Gabriel García Márquez (Q5878)</a>) or only by the first surname (<a href="/wiki/Q222744" title="Q222744">César Vallejo (Q222744)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q75603" title="Q75603">Miguel Ángel Asturias (Q75603)</a>), but never by the second surname. <a href="/wiki/User:Andreasmperu" title="User:Andreasmperu">Andreasm</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andreasmperu" title="User talk:Andreasmperu">háblame / just talk to me</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Andreasmperu-2015-05-28T04:23:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-05-28T03:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:23, 28 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Okay, so? What data would be missed by indicating a name to be a second surname as opposed to this property? --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Yair_rand-2015-05-28T04:58:00.000Z-Andreasmperu-2015-05-28T04:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:58, 28 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>The lack thereof. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-05-28T05:03:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-05-28T04:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:03, 28 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li>Yes <a href="/wiki/User:Andreasmperu" title="User:Andreasmperu">Andreasm</a>, except that in some cases it is the first surname which may be omitted - this is the custom in English speaking countries where the father's surname is usually put last. Both surnames are surnames and should use the 'surname' property. To indicate which is the primary surname and which is secondary (or which is from the father and which is from the mother) is a task for a qualifier. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-06-03T00:05:00.000Z-Andreasmperu-2015-05-28T04:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:05, 3 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: Are you still referring to Hispanic names? Because, as I mentioned, there is no legal way to skip the first surname for people born in a Hispanic country. As per other countries of residence, I can only tell for sure about the UK, where both surnames are maintained for all purposes, basically because that is how the name is registered on the passport. I could agree that this property is used only as a qualifier, but still it needs to be created as such. --<a href="/wiki/User:Andreasmperu" title="User:Andreasmperu">Andreasm</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andreasmperu" title="User talk:Andreasmperu">háblame / just talk to me</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Andreasmperu-2015-06-06T01:36:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-06-03T00:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 6 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Andreasmperu" title="User:Andreasmperu"><bdi>Andreasmperu</bdi></a>: My own wife is from Portugal and had three surnames. When she married me she added my surname on the end so she now has four. As she now lives in England in her general interactions only the last of these is treated like a surname with the other three treated like unusual given names. Each of my kids got one of her surnames followed by mine. Officials here in England expect the fathers surname to be at the end. People can have multiple surnames for a variety of reasons and the order can vary. Our properties needs to be flexible enough to accommodate these variations. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-06-06T21:43:00.000Z-Andreasmperu-2015-06-06T01:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 6 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>: Can we change this back to the originally proposed label for the property? It was "Spanish name". The current label seems to confuse users who want to include Iberic and British naming conventions? --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-06-10T18:58:00.000Z-Jura1-2014-09-06T09:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 10 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: Not such a good idea. The label "Spanish name" refers to the template <a href="/wiki/Q5623839" title="Q5623839">Q5623839</a> which divides a name in first and second surname. If the solution of using ordinal numbers is not wanted, then it would be better to use the label "second surname" for this property.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-10T21:41:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-06-10T18:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 10 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>:: I tend to agree with others that outside the naming for scheme for Spanish names, the property might not be that useful. Which is why I would use it only for Spanish ones. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-06-12T11:40:00.000Z-Micru-2015-06-10T21:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:40, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: I agree with you but in Spain it is common to refer to the second surname as "second surname", to differentiate it from the first surname for which we currently have <a href="/wiki/Property:P734" title="Property:P734">family name (P734)</a>. If it is needed to add that it refers to spanish names, then I would be happier with a label like "second surname in Spanish name".--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-12T11:52:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-06-12T11:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:52, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>:. Ok for me. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-06-12T12:10:00.000Z-Micru-2015-06-12T11:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:10, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Is there any systematic issue if we create this property (other than that some of us wont be using it as they don't any related items anyways)? --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-06-10T18:58:00.000Z-Jura1-2014-09-06T09:03:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 10 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand"><bdi>Yair rand</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Closeapple" title="User:Closeapple"><bdi>Closeapple</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Andreasmperu" title="User:Andreasmperu"><bdi>Andreasmperu</bdi></a>: After the discussion I have changed the property name to "second surname in Spanish name", if there are no opposes I will create the property with that label in a couple of days.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-12T20:46:00.000Z-Jura1-2014-09-06T09:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand"><bdi>Yair rand</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Closeapple" title="User:Closeapple"><bdi>Closeapple</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Andreasmperu" title="User:Andreasmperu"><bdi>Andreasmperu</bdi></a>: Done as <a href="/wiki/Property:P1950" title="Property:P1950">second family name in Spanish name (P1950)</a>.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-15T09:18:00.000Z-Jura1-2014-09-06T09:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:18, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Sigh. I suspect this is going to wreck the genericness of the naming properties... --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Yair_rand-2015-06-15T09:21:00.000Z-Micru-2015-06-15T09:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:21, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="East-Asian_names" data-mw-thread-id="h-East-Asian_names-2014-12-16T15:50:00.000Z">East-Asian names</h3></div> <dl><dt>courtesy name</dt></dl> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1782" title="Property:P1782">courtesy name</a> (P1782) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1782" title="Property talk:P1782">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>name bestowed upon a person at adulthood</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2075910" title="Q2075910">courtesy name</a> (Q2075910)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#monolingualtext" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Monolingual text</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Q5</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q360135" title="Q360135">Kang Youwei (Q360135)</a> -> 廣廈</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>art name</dt></dl> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1787" title="Property:P1787">art name</a> (P1787) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1787" title="Property talk:P1787">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>name used by an artist</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q39646" title="Q39646">art name</a> (Q39646)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#monolingualtext" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Monolingual text</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Q5</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q360135" title="Q360135">Kang Youwei (Q360135)</a> -> 長素 / 明夷 / 更生 / 西樵山人 / 游存叟 / 天游化人</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>posthumous name</dt></dl> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1786" title="Property:P1786">posthumous name</a> (P1786) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1786" title="Property talk:P1786">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>honorary name given after death</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q696100" title="Q696100">posthumous name</a> (Q696100)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#monolingualtext" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Monolingual text</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Q5</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q9701" title="Q9701">Emperor Taizong of Tang (Q9701)</a> -> 文皇帝 / 文武大聖大廣孝皇帝</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>temple name</dt></dl> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1785" title="Property:P1785">temple name</a> (P1785) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1785" title="Property talk:P1785">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>name used posthumously for monarchs</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q706208" title="Q706208">temple name</a> (Q706208)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#monolingualtext" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Monolingual text</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Q5</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q9701" title="Q9701">Emperor Taizong of Tang (Q9701)</a> -> 太宗</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <ul><li>Given that these names are widely used, having these dedicated properties rather than a more generic one with qualifiers may be convenient.</li> <li>There is also <a href="/wiki/Q742466" title="Q742466">childhood nickname (Q742466)</a> and probably others, but they may not been so important.</li> <li>en.wikipedia lists <a href="/wiki/Q256408" title="Q256408">era name (Q256408)</a> in the page about Chinese names, but it is a bit different, and I do not think it is relevant here. Eras can have their own items (and they do, see <a href="/wiki/Q1042896" title="Q1042896">Zhenguan era (Q1042896)</a>).</li> <li>For name and surname, we have item-type properties but here the name can be whatever people want, and are used by quite many people, other by juste one person, but the list is open ended and string sounds more appropriate.</li> <li>Courtesy name was already proposed by <a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">user:GZWDer</a> at <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/12" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/12">Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/12</a> but it was not done because we did not have monolginual strings at the time.</li> <li>Could be retrieved from some Wikipedia templates, and from <a href="/wiki/Property:P497" title="Property:P497">CBDB ID (P497)</a> if the are no rights issues.--<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Zolo-2014-12-16T15:50:00.000Z-East-Asian_names" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 16 December 2014 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>Can you please give some examples to clarify this proposal?--<a href="/wiki/User:Giftzwerg_88" title="User:Giftzwerg 88">Giftzwerg 88</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giftzwerg_88" title="User talk:Giftzwerg 88">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Giftzwerg_88-2015-01-25T11:19:00.000Z-Zolo-2014-12-16T15:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:19, 25 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Giftzwerg_88" title="User:Giftzwerg 88"><bdi>Giftzwerg 88</bdi></a>: done. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Zolo-2015-02-16T13:30:00.000Z-Giftzwerg_88-2015-01-25T11:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 16 February 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support all above proposals. —<a href="/wiki/User:Wylve" title="User:Wylve">Wylve</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wylve" title="User talk:Wylve">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Wylve-2015-01-30T01:41:00.000Z-Zolo-2014-12-16T15:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:41, 30 January 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-02-11T05:43:00.000Z-Zolo-2014-12-16T15:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:43, 11 February 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Giftzwerg_88" title="User:Giftzwerg 88"><bdi>Giftzwerg 88</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Wylve" title="User:Wylve"><bdi>Wylve</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>:: 3/4 done: . For art name, I actually do not know if art the property should be broadened to Western-style pseudonyms (I tend to think it should). --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Zolo-2015-02-18T07:39:00.000Z-Zolo-2014-12-16T15:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:39, 18 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I agree. We currently have <a href="/wiki/Property:P742" title="Property:P742">pseudonym (P742)</a>, but I'm not sure if its scope is too broad. By the way, for the three properties created, should the values be in the traditional or simplified script and in which language code? —<a href="/wiki/User:Wylve" title="User:Wylve">Wylve</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wylve" title="User talk:Wylve">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Wylve-2015-02-18T12:42:00.000Z-Zolo-2015-02-18T07:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 18 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I'd say traditions characters, because it better corresponds to what was used at the time, and because one simplified characters sometimes corresponds to several traditional characters.</dd> <dd>I do not know for the language code either. Technically, I suppose it can usually be considered Classical Chinese (code: lzh), but that sounds a bit odd. Rethinking about it, maybe we should make it a simple string with no language code attached to it, but, if needed, with a qualifier for the writing system used. That would sound like a better solution for non-Chinese people. Take <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gia_Long" class="extiw" title="en:Gia Long">en:Gia Long</a>. His temple name is apparently 世祖, but which language is that ? That is Vietnamese written in Chinese script but that can also be Chinese. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Zolo-2015-02-18T13:45:00.000Z-Wylve-2015-02-18T12:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:45, 18 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I think lzh would be appropriate, since other zh-XX codes imply modern Chinese and "zh" is just an ambiguous code representing all variants of Chinese. "世祖" could also be written as "Thế Tổ" in Vietnamese, so it might be a bit weird having two values for Vietnamese if the former is considered written in Vietnamese. In my opinion no one solution stands out to be the suitable one at the moment. —<a href="/wiki/User:Wylve" title="User:Wylve">Wylve</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wylve" title="User talk:Wylve">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Wylve-2015-02-18T17:00:00.000Z-Zolo-2015-02-18T13:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 18 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>For Gia Long, using monolingual text, we would have: <ul><li>temple name: 世祖 language: vi or whatever stand for vietnamese with Chinese script</li> <li>temple name: Thế Tổ language: vi</li></ul></dd> <dd>The trouble is that it is not really correct as 世祖 can be Chinese as well and Thế Tổ can be used in other languages using Roman script.</dd> <dd>I think using a "writing system" qualifier works better: <ul><li>temple name: 世祖 writing system: sinograms</li> <li>temple name: Thế Tổ writing system: <a href="/wiki/Q622712" title="Q622712">Vietnamese alphabet (Q622712)</a></li></ul></dd></dl></dd> <dd>A variant of this solution would be to put the alphabetical version as a qualifier of the Chinese-character version to make it clear that this is the same name written differently, not a different name. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Zolo-2015-02-18T21:32:00.000Z-Zolo-2015-02-18T13:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:32, 18 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Wylve" title="User:Wylve"><bdi>Wylve</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Giftzwerg_88" title="User:Giftzwerg 88"><bdi>Giftzwerg 88</bdi></a>:, can I recreate those properties with datatype = string (without language), and recommend using a <a href="/wiki/Property:P282" title="Property:P282">writing system (P282)</a> qualifier rather than indicate a language ? As explained above, I think it is actually better. It is also more consistent with <a href="/wiki/Property:P742" title="Property:P742">pseudonym (P742)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Zolo-2015-02-23T12:25:00.000Z-Zolo-2015-02-18T21:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:25, 23 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I'm ambivalent about this, but I will support recreating them into string. I'm not an authority on this, but I think in the long run monolingual text and multilingual text datatypes should support a more precise ISO language scheme like <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-6" class="extiw" title="w:ISO 639-6">ISO 639-6</a>. The current <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-1" class="extiw" title="w:ISO 639-1">ISO 639-1</a> does not include historical languages and ignores the different scripts used by the same language. —<a href="/wiki/User:Wylve" title="User:Wylve">Wylve</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wylve" title="User talk:Wylve">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Wylve-2015-02-23T18:33:00.000Z-Zolo-2015-02-23T12:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 23 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Wylve" title="User:Wylve"><bdi>Wylve</bdi></a>: I have changed the datatype to string, with a recommended {p|282}} qualifier. <a href="/wiki/Property:P1782" title="Property:P1782">courtesy name (P1782)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1785" title="Property:P1785">temple name (P1785)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1786" title="Property:P1786">posthumous name (P1786)</a>. I have also created <a href="/wiki/Property:P1787" title="Property:P1787">art name (P1787)</a>, as there did not appear be really satisfying alternatives. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Zolo-2015-03-21T08:53:00.000Z-Wylve-2015-02-23T18:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:53, 21 March 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Religious_rank_rework" data-mw-thread-id="h-Religious_rank_rework-2014-12-23T21:28:00.000Z">Religious rank rework</h3></div> After re-thinking through my various requests from earlier and the feedback I was given, I think all of my original questions can be answered by approving the property request religious rank and using the qualifiers of <a href="/wiki/Property:P580" title="Property:P580">start time (P580)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1027" title="Property:P1027">conferred by (P1027)</a>. (Admins: Once religous rank is approved, the other requests can be cleared out or archived.) <a href="/wiki/User:Sweet_kate" title="User:Sweet kate">Sweet kate</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sweet_kate" title="User talk:Sweet kate">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sweet_kate-2014-12-23T21:28:00.000Z-Religious_rank_rework" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 23 December 2014 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="lay_name" data-mw-thread-id="h-lay_name-2015-01-24T14:21:00.000Z">lay name</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>First name of clergyman. Ex. pope John Paul II - first name (secular) is Karol</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td>P1477</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#multilingualtext" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Multilingual text</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Q250867</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q989" title="Q989">Q989</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q502776" title="Q502776">Q502776</a> and many many more</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Borys_Kozielski" title="User:Borys Kozielski">Borys Kozielski</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Borys_Kozielski" title="User talk:Borys Kozielski">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Wielu duchownych, w tym Jan Paweł II nie mają odpowiedniej do ich imion, nazwisk i nazwy świeckiej deklaracji. <a href="/wiki/User:Borys_Kozielski" title="User:Borys Kozielski">Borys Kozielski</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Borys_Kozielski" title="User talk:Borys Kozielski">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Borys_Kozielski-2015-01-24T14:21:00.000Z-lay_name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:21, 24 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment are you looking for the property equivalent to <a href="/wiki/Q1417657" title="Q1417657">religious name (Q1417657)</a>? If you are looking for the secular (not religious) name, that would be "lay name" in English, but I think we would use <a href="/wiki/Property:P1477" title="Property:P1477">birth name (P1477)</a> for that. <a href="/wiki/User:PKM" title="User:PKM">PKM</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PKM" title="User talk:PKM">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-PKM-2015-01-25T00:49:00.000Z-Borys_Kozielski-2015-01-24T14:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>pl:odwrotność <a href="/wiki/Q1417657" title="Q1417657">religious name (Q1417657)</a>; eo: inverso <a href="/wiki/Q1417657" title="Q1417657">religious name (Q1417657)</a> en: reciprocal <a href="/wiki/Q1417657" title="Q1417657">religious name (Q1417657)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Marek_Mazurkiewicz" title="User:Marek Mazurkiewicz">Marek Mazurkiewicz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marek_Mazurkiewicz" title="User talk:Marek Mazurkiewicz">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Marek_Mazurkiewicz-2015-01-31T01:11:00.000Z-PKM-2015-01-25T00:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:11, 31 January 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Or <a href="/wiki/Property:P735" title="Property:P735">given name (P735)</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-01-29T20:56:00.000Z-Borys_Kozielski-2015-01-24T14:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 29 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>pl: nie; eo: ne; en: no <a href="/wiki/User:Marek_Mazurkiewicz" title="User:Marek Mazurkiewicz">Marek Mazurkiewicz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marek_Mazurkiewicz" title="User talk:Marek Mazurkiewicz">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Marek_Mazurkiewicz-2015-01-31T01:11:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-01-29T20:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:11, 31 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Marek_Mazurkiewicz" title="User:Marek Mazurkiewicz"><bdi>Marek Mazurkiewicz</bdi></a>: Why not? --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Yair_rand-2015-03-12T23:35:00.000Z-Marek_Mazurkiewicz-2015-01-31T01:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:35, 12 March 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment or <a href="/wiki/Property:P734" title="Property:P734">family name (P734)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Oursana" title="User:Oursana">Oursana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oursana" title="User talk:Oursana">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Oursana-2015-03-12T23:54:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-03-12T23:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:54, 12 March 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose. Use <a href="/wiki/Property:P1477" title="Property:P1477">birth name (P1477)</a>. <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Andy</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Oursana" title="User:Oursana">Oursana</a> Do not use <a href="/wiki/Property:P734" title="Property:P734">family name (P734)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Property:P735" title="Property:P735">given name (P735)</a> for this purpose. These properties link to items for the given name and the surname to help compile lists of people with those names. These properties can, however, be used as qualifiers to <a href="/wiki/Property:P1477" title="Property:P1477">birth name (P1477)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-03-13T13:15:00.000Z-Borys_Kozielski-2015-01-24T14:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 13 March 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Why would one want a property like that? What data does it add? --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Yair_rand-2015-04-22T08:16:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-03-13T13:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:16, 22 April 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-11T12:07:00.000Z-Borys_Kozielski-2015-01-24T14:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:07, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="McCune-Reischauer" data-mw-thread-id="h-McCune-Reischauer-2015-04-20T11:10:00.000Z">McCune-Reischauer</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1942" title="Property:P1942">McCune-Reischauer romanization</a> (P1942) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1942" title="Property talk:P1942">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_Korean_name" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox Korean name">en:template:Infobox Korean name</a>, <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Koreanischer_Name" class="extiw" title="de:Vorlage:Koreanischer Name">de:Vorlage:Koreanischer Name</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Person</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>names</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_Korean_name" class="extiw" title="en:template:Infobox Korean name">en:template:Infobox Korean name</a>, <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Koreanischer_Name" class="extiw" title="de:Vorlage:Koreanischer Name">de:Vorlage:Koreanischer Name</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Maybe a bot can import the data from the Wikipedia templates. However, the English Wikipedia often is wrong about the McCune-Reischauer romanization. There is a nice tool by the Busan National University: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://roman.cs.pusan.ac.kr/input_eng.aspx">http://roman.cs.pusan.ac.kr/input_eng.aspx</a> .</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Proposed by: <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Christian140&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Christian140 (page does not exist)">Christian140</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Christian140" title="User talk:Christian140">talk</a>) I made this exemplarily for McCune-Reischauer. However, more romanizations should be considered. Not only for persons, maybe general. Movies, video games, places... See also <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_East_Asian_name" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox East Asian name">en:Template:Infobox_East_Asian_name</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian" class="extiw" title="en:Romanization of Russian">en:Romanization of Russian</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Christian140&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Christian140 (page does not exist)">Christian140</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Christian140" title="User talk:Christian140">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Christian140-2015-04-20T11:10:00.000Z-McCune-Reischauer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:10, 20 April 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Christian140&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Christian140 (page does not exist)"><bdi>Christian140</bdi></a>: Please provide an example. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-04-20T18:06:00.000Z-Christian140-2015-04-20T11:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 20 April 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Let's take the current Korean president <a href="/wiki/Q138048" title="Q138048">Q138048</a>. In her English Wikipedia article <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Geun-hye" class="extiw" title="en:Park Geun-hye">en:Park Geun-hye</a> you can see an infobox on the left side featuring her name in Hangul (박근혜), Hanja (朴槿惠) and then Hangul romanized by the revized Romanization (Bak Geun-hye) and by McCune-Reischauer (Pak Kŭnhye). I think without these properties, a table like this wouldn't be possible anymore if the template would be generated out of Wikidata. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Christian140&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Christian140 (page does not exist)">Christian140</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Christian140" title="User talk:Christian140">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Christian140-2015-04-20T18:28:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-04-20T18:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 20 April 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Christian140&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Christian140 (page does not exist)"><bdi>Christian140</bdi></a>: Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-04-21T09:32:00.000Z-Christian140-2015-04-20T18:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:32, 21 April 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support but I think maybe this should be string datatype or, if it is monolingual datatype, then what language would 'Pak Kŭnhye' be (@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Christian140&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Christian140 (page does not exist)"><bdi>Christian140</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>:) ?<a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-04-22T07:09:00.000Z-Christian140-2015-04-20T11:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>:. I think it should be made like <a href="/wiki/Property:P1721" title="Property:P1721">Hanyu Pinyin transliteration (P1721)</a>. Actually, I only wanted to raise attention for romanizations. McCune-Reischauer is widely used in academics, but in 2000, the government of South Korea made the <a href="/wiki/Q498721" title="Q498721">Q498721</a> their official system. For example, by McCune-Reischauer, the capital is spelled Sŏul, by the revised romanization it is spelled Seoul. But there are also other systems like Yale romanizations. However, maybe it is not relevant enough... I don't think it really has a language... or Korean? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Christian140&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Christian140 (page does not exist)">Christian140</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Christian140" title="User talk:Christian140">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Christian140-2015-04-23T16:29:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-04-22T07:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 23 April 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support but unsure if string or monolingual text is better --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-15T12:37:00.000Z-Christian140-2015-04-20T11:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 15 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support string datatype. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-05-29T18:49:00.000Z-Christian140-2015-04-20T11:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 29 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Christian140&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Christian140 (page does not exist)"><bdi>Christian140</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pisonthewing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pisonthewing (page does not exist)"><bdi>Pisonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>:: I changed the proposal to string datatype. Pasleim are you ok with this as well? --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-05-31T04:25:00.000Z-Christian140-2015-04-20T11:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 31 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I'm ok with this. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-31T10:58:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-05-31T04:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:58, 31 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Thanks. Then I think it's ready for creation. @<a href="/wiki/User:Shinyang-i" title="User:Shinyang-i"><bdi>‎Shinyang-i</bdi></a>: thought it was useful for their edits. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-05-31T23:10:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-05-31T10:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 31 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li>Why did you change it? What language is "Pak Kŭnhye" in, if not Korean? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-01T10:12:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-05-31T04:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:12, 1 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>박근혜 is Korean, "Pak Kŭnhye" is a sequence of characters. But I'm not sure about that. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-06-06T22:18:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-01T10:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 6 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>If I say "Pak Kŭnhye" to you over the phone, what language is it in? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-10T22:37:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-06-06T22:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 10 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>It doesn't have a language. It's analogous to <a href="/wiki/Property:P898" title="Property:P898">IPA transcription (P898)</a> isn't it? <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-11T12:14:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-10T22:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-12T21:02:00.000Z-Christian140-2015-04-20T11:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="second" data-mw-thread-id="h-second-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z">second</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>second</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>This property would be used to store the name of the second runner (or silver medalist) and then generate tables directly in the body of the Wikipedia article concerned.</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2309784" title="Q2309784">sport cyclist (Q2309784)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q2309784&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q2309784&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q552724" title="Q552724">Arnaud Démare (Q552724)</a> for exemple</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q513691" title="Q513691">Four Days of Dunkirk (Q513691)</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q18589873" title="Q18589873">2015 Four Days of Dunkirk (Q18589873)</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P1346" title="Property:P1346">winner (P1346)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q381409" title="Q381409">Ignatas Konovalovas (Q381409)</a> second => <a href="/wiki/Q994991" title="Q994991">Bryan Coquard (Q994991)</a> third => <a href="/wiki/Q4734082" title="Q4734082">Alo Jakin (Q4734082)</a> </td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatre_jours_de_Dunkerque#Palmarès" class="extiw" title="fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque">fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque#Palmarès</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>yes</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Je prévois dans le <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portail:Cyclisme" class="extiw" title="fr:Portail:Cyclisme">cyclisme</a> d'utiliser massivement les données de Wikidata pour centraliser ici le maximum de données possibles, l'objectif étant d'une part de laisser du temps aux contributeurs des petites versions linguistiques, de leur laisser la possibilité de générer des articles très rapidement, de sorte à ce qu'il ne leur reste plus qu'à rédiger, et d'autre part de centraliser au maximum la maintenance et la mise à jour. Ce chantier va être étalé tout au long de l'année 2015. Sur les articles concernant les courses cyclistes, nous associons à chaque édition le vainqueur, le deuxième et le troisième, c'est-à-dire les coureurs qui montent sur le podium. Il existe actuellement une propriété <a href="/wiki/Property:P1346" title="Property:P1346">winner (P1346)</a>, déjà utilisée dans <a href="/wiki/Q513691" title="Q513691">Four Days of Dunkirk (Q513691)</a> et <a href="/wiki/Q3365097" title="Q3365097">Paris-Arras Tour (Q3365097)</a>, mais il nous manque une propriété pour indiquer le deuxième et une autre pour le troisième. L'objectif étant à terme de générer les tableaux présents dans chaque article de course cycliste, comme <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatre_jours_de_Dunkerque#Palmarès" class="extiw" title="fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque">fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque#Palmarès</a>, depuis Wikidata. Le coureur arrivé deuxième et celui arrivé troisième sont également demandés dans les infobox d'étapes de courses cyclistes, telles que la <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/20e_%C3%A9tape_du_Tour_de_France_2014" class="extiw" title="fr:20e étape du Tour de France 2014">20e étape du Tour de France 2014</a>. Cette demande pourrait permettre de faciliter le travail <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Comp%C3%A9tition_cycliste_par_pays" class="extiw" title="fr:Catégorie:Compétition cycliste par pays">sur un grand nombre d'articles</a> et dans de nombreuses langues. [Google Translate] I plan in the <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portail:Cyclisme" class="extiw" title="fr:Portail:Cyclisme">cycling</a> massively used to centralize data Wikidata here the maximum possible data, with the aim firstly to allow time to contributors small versions language, they leave open the possibility of generating products rapidly, so that it does not just have to write them, and also centralize maximum maintenance and update. This project will be spread throughout the year 2015. Of the articles about cycling races, we associate with each edition the winner, the second and the third, that is to say the riders on the podium. There is currently a <a href="/wiki/Property:P1346" title="Property:P1346">winner (P1346)</a> property already used in <a href="/wiki/Q513691" title="Q513691">Four Days of Dunkirk (Q513691)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q3365097" title="Q3365097">Paris-Arras Tour (Q3365097)</a>, but we lack a property to indicate the second and one for third. The objective is ultimately to generate the tables present in all cycling races article, like <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatre_jours_de_Dunkerque#Palmarès" class="extiw" title="fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque">fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque#Palmarès</a>, since Wikidata. The second runner arrived and the third are also requested in the infobox stages of cycling races, such as <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/20e_%C3%A9tape_du_Tour_de_France_2014" class="extiw" title="fr:20e étape du Tour de France 2014">20e étape du Tour de France 2014</a>. This application could help facilitate the work <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Comp%C3%A9tition_cycliste_par_pays" class="extiw" title="fr:Catégorie:Compétition cycliste par pays">on a large number of articles</a> and in many languages. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z-second" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 15 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. I think you should record this with <a href="/wiki/Property:P1352" title="Property:P1352">ranking (P1352)</a> as well, as a qualifier to each cyclist, so the position of every cyclist in the race can be recorded and included in the results table. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-05-17T23:49:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:49, 17 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><s><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. Filceolaire : utiliser la propriété <a href="/wiki/Property:P1352" title="Property:P1352">ranking (P1352)</a> est déjà prévu en qualificatif lorsque la propriété classement général demandée ci-dessus aura été créée. C'est même un élément clé de la réalisation des classements sur Wikidata. Dans cette demande que je mets en œuvre actuellement, les propriétés deuxième et troisième ont pour vocation d'être utilisées dans les infoboxes et dans le tableau du <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatre_jours_de_Dunkerque#Palmarès" class="extiw" title="fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque">palmarès</a>. Plus globalement ces deux propriétés serviront à indiquer les podiums dans toutes les compétitions. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-18T11:25:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:25, 18 May 2015 (UTC)</a></s></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:A.BourgeoisP" title="User:A.BourgeoisP">A.BourgeoisP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A.BourgeoisP" title="User talk:A.BourgeoisP">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose use <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q18589873" title="Q18589873">2015 Four Days of Dunkirk (Q18589873)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q18589873&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q18589873&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P710" title="Property:P710">participant (P710)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P710&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q994991" title="Q994991">Bryan Coquard (Q994991)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q994991&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q994991&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1352" title="Property:P1352">ranking (P1352)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1352&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨  2 ⟩</div> --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-20T21:26:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 20 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>: You don't read the use I want : <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatre_jours_de_Dunkerque#Palmarès" class="extiw" title="fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque">fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque#Palmarès</a> : I need these properties as qualifiers to list the palmarès. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-21T11:20:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-05-20T21:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:20, 21 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>You can create the palmarès with <a href="/wiki/Property:P710" title="Property:P710">participant (P710)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1352" title="Property:P1352">ranking (P1352)</a>. No need to store the information two times. / Tu peux créer le palmarès avec <a href="/wiki/Property:P710" title="Property:P710">participant (P710)</a> et <a href="/wiki/Property:P1352" title="Property:P1352">ranking (P1352)</a>. Pas nécessaire de enregistrer les informations deux fois. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-21T11:58:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-21T11:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:58, 21 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>: Are you sure that <a href="/wiki/Q513691" title="Q513691">Four Days of Dunkirk (Q513691)</a> will permit to find the infos on <a href="/wiki/Q18589873" title="Q18589873">2015 Four Days of Dunkirk (Q18589873)</a> and all of the previous editions ? <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-21T12:29:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-05-21T11:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Yes. Not now, but in a couple of weeks, see <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Arbitrary_access" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:Arbitrary access">Wikidata:Arbitrary access</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-21T13:17:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-21T12:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:17, 21 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Thank you, I am sure now I take a good direction</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose per discussion above. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-05-23T23:26:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:26, 23 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose, per above. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Yair_rand-2015-05-27T21:40:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 27 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support See above <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Thib_Phil&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Thib Phil (page does not exist)">Thib Phil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thib_Phil" title="User talk:Thib Phil">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Thib_Phil-2015-06-05T06:22:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:22, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:ComputerHotline" title="User:ComputerHotline">ComputerHotline</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ComputerHotline" title="User talk:ComputerHotline">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-ComputerHotline-2015-06-05T14:03:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose : finalement, je n'ai pas besoin de cette propriété dans le <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Infobox/Descriptif_course_cycliste" class="extiw" title="fr:Module:Infobox/Descriptif course cycliste">Module:Infobox/Descriptif course cycliste</a>, puisqu'il sera possible d'extraire de la propriété à venir classement général le premier, le deuxième et le troisième. Cette requête que j'ai initié peut donc être clôturée, et la propriété ne doit pas être créée. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-06-06T08:10:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:10, 6 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done Opposed (=withdrawn?) by proponent. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-27T17:53:00.000Z-second" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="third" data-mw-thread-id="h-third-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z">third</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>third</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>This property would be used to store the name of the third rider (or bronze medalist ) and then generate tables directly in the body of the Wikipedia article concerned.</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2309784" title="Q2309784">sport cyclist (Q2309784)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q2309784&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q2309784&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q552724" title="Q552724">Arnaud Démare (Q552724)</a> for exemple</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q513691" title="Q513691">Four Days of Dunkirk (Q513691)</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q18589873" title="Q18589873">2015 Four Days of Dunkirk (Q18589873)</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P1346" title="Property:P1346">winner (P1346)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q381409" title="Q381409">Ignatas Konovalovas (Q381409)</a> second => <a href="/wiki/Q994991" title="Q994991">Bryan Coquard (Q994991)</a> third => <a href="/wiki/Q4734082" title="Q4734082">Alo Jakin (Q4734082)</a> </td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatre_jours_de_Dunkerque#Palmarès" class="extiw" title="fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque">fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque#Palmarès</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>yes</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Voir ci-dessus. [Google Translate] See above. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-15T14:16:00.000Z-third" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 15 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:A.BourgeoisP" title="User:A.BourgeoisP">A.BourgeoisP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A.BourgeoisP" title="User talk:A.BourgeoisP">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z-third" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose use <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q18589873" title="Q18589873">2015 Four Days of Dunkirk (Q18589873)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q18589873&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q18589873&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P710" title="Property:P710">participant (P710)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P710&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q4734082" title="Q4734082">Alo Jakin (Q4734082)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q4734082&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q4734082&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1352" title="Property:P1352">ranking (P1352)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1352&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨  3 ⟩</div> --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-20T21:27:00.000Z-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:27, 20 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose as discussion above. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-05-23T23:37:00.000Z-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:37, 23 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support See above <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Thib_Phil&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Thib Phil (page does not exist)">Thib Phil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thib_Phil" title="User talk:Thib Phil">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Thib_Phil-2015-06-05T06:23:00.000Z-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:23, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:ComputerHotline" title="User:ComputerHotline">ComputerHotline</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ComputerHotline" title="User talk:ComputerHotline">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-ComputerHotline-2015-06-05T14:03:00.000Z-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose : finalement, je n'ai pas besoin de cette propriété dans le <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Infobox/Descriptif_course_cycliste" class="extiw" title="fr:Module:Infobox/Descriptif course cycliste">Module:Infobox/Descriptif course cycliste</a>, puisqu'il sera possible d'extraire de la propriété à venir classement général le premier, le deuxième et le troisième. Cette requête que j'ai initié peut donc être clôturée, et la propriété ne doit pas être créée. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-06-06T08:11:00.000Z-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:11, 6 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done Opposed (=withdrawn?) by proponent. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-27T17:53:00.000Z-third" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="number_of_arrivals" data-mw-thread-id="h-number_of_arrivals-2015-05-19T11:59:00.000Z">number of arrivals</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>number of arrivals</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>This property would be used to indicate the number of runners who complete a cycling race of one day, or a step in the case of a stage race.</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2309784" title="Q2309784">sport cyclist (Q2309784)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q2309784&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q2309784&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>50, 150, 200... for exemple</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q19249082" title="Q19249082">2015 Grand Prix de Denain (Q19249082)</a> => 124</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=150202">http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=150202</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>yes</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Voir ci-dessus. [Google Translate] See above. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-19T11:59:00.000Z-number_of_arrivals" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:59, 19 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:A.BourgeoisP" title="User:A.BourgeoisP">A.BourgeoisP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A.BourgeoisP" title="User talk:A.BourgeoisP">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z-number_of_arrivals" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose. Voir ci-dessus. Le problème a été réglé, et il est désormais possible d'afficher en infobox dans la Wikipédia francophone les partants et les arrivants d'une course cycliste, comme sur <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris-Roubaix_espoirs_2015" class="extiw" title="fr:Paris-Roubaix espoirs 2015">fr:Paris-Roubaix espoirs 2015</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-06-01T14:07:00.000Z-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:07, 1 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:ComputerHotline" title="User:ComputerHotline">ComputerHotline</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ComputerHotline" title="User talk:ComputerHotline">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-ComputerHotline-2015-06-05T14:03:00.000Z-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support although 'number of finishers' might be better for broad use of this property for all sorts of events beyond bike races. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-06-05T21:49:00.000Z-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose as it seems my suggestion above is indeed working. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-06-06T22:29:00.000Z-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:29, 6 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done Opposed (=withdrawn?) by proponent. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="overall_leader" data-mw-thread-id="h-overall_leader-2015-05-19T16:03:00.000Z">overall leader</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>overall leader</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>This property would be used to specify the name of a rider who is leader of the general classification at the end of a stage, this is a person who is usually different from the <a href="/wiki/Property:P1346" title="Property:P1346">winner (P1346)</a>, which won the meanwhile step, or running when it is a one-day race.</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2309784" title="Q2309784">sport cyclist (Q2309784)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q2309784&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q2309784&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q552724" title="Q552724">Arnaud Démare (Q552724)</a> for exemple</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q18589873" title="Q18589873">2015 Four Days of Dunkirk (Q18589873)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q19891048" title="Q19891048">2015 Four Days of Dunkirk, stage 5 (Q19891048)</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P1346" title="Property:P1346">winner (P1346)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q16068749" title="Q16068749">Edward Theuns (Q16068749)</a> overall leader => <a href="/wiki/Q381409" title="Q381409">Ignatas Konovalovas (Q381409)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatre_jours_de_Dunkerque_2015#Étapes" class="extiw" title="fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque 2015">fr:Quatre jours de Dunkerque 2015#Étapes</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>yes</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> L'objectif est de remplir automatiquement le tableau listant les étapes, et de marquer la distinction entre un vainqueur d'étape et un leader du classement général, sachant qu'il s'agit parfois d'une seule et unique personne. [Google Translate] The aim is to automatically populate the table listing the steps, and mark the distinction between a stage winner and overall leader, knowing that sometimes a single person. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-19T16:03:00.000Z-overall_leader" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 19 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:A.BourgeoisP" title="User:A.BourgeoisP">A.BourgeoisP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A.BourgeoisP" title="User talk:A.BourgeoisP">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z-overall_leader" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/15px-BA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/23px-BA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/30px-BA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="190" data-file-height="200"/> Weak oppose Because it seems redundant with the ranking at some point in time. It's harder to extract though, but it's probably just a matter of query. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-05-24T09:58:00.000Z-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:58, 24 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose : Finally, my idea wad bad. Like TomT0m says, it will be possible to extract directly the first runner of the overall classification. I suggest to close this property proposal. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-06-01T14:04:00.000Z-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 1 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:ComputerHotline" title="User:ComputerHotline">ComputerHotline</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ComputerHotline" title="User talk:ComputerHotline">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-ComputerHotline-2015-06-05T14:03:00.000Z-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose - This is a derived value, and should be calculated by the client. Each stage should have its own item, and the participants listed with their ranking and times for that stage, which will allow the client to derive who is in what position on the overall tables at the end of any particular stage. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-06-17T17:30:00.000Z-A.BourgeoisP-2015-05-20T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 17 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done Opposed (=withdrawn?) by proponent. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-27T17:51:00.000Z-overall_leader" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="speciality" data-mw-thread-id="h-speciality-2015-05-21T13:11:00.000Z">speciality</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>speciality</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>This property would be used to indicate the speciality of a cyclist, but could be used more generally.</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2309784" title="Q2309784">sport cyclist (Q2309784)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q2309784&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q2309784&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q533097" title="Q533097">cycling sprinter (Q533097)</a> / <a href="/wiki/Q2380088" title="Q2380088">climbing specialist (Q2380088)</a> / <a href="/wiki/Q650309" title="Q650309">puncheur (Q650309)</a> / <a href="/wiki/Q1318941" title="Q1318941">stage race (Q1318941)</a> / <a href="/wiki/Q962393" title="Q962393">classic cycle races (Q962393)</a> / <a href="/wiki/Q2266066" title="Q2266066">individual time trial (Q2266066)</a> / <a href="/wiki/Q2065446" title="Q2065446">Cobbled classics (Q2065446)</a> for exemple</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q552724" title="Q552724">Arnaud Démare (Q552724)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q533097" title="Q533097">cycling sprinter (Q533097)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q2065446" title="Q2065446">Cobbled classics (Q2065446)</a> </td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Articles concernant les coureurs</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>yes</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> L'intérêt est d'indiquer la ou les spécialités d'un coureur cyclistes, mais il est possible de trouver d'autres applications. [Google Translate] The interest is to indicate the specialties of a bicycle racer, but it is possible to find other applications. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-21T13:11:00.000Z-speciality" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support unless <a href="/wiki/Property:P413" title="Property:P413">position played on team / speciality (P413)</a> could be used. Would that work <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy</a> ? <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-05-23T23:46:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-21T13:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:46, 23 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><s><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support @<a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: J'avais un temps pensé à <a href="/wiki/Property:P413" title="Property:P413">position played on team / speciality (P413)</a>, mais ici, c'est encore un peu différent : la spécialité témoigne de l'aisance d'un coureur dans un domaine particulier, mais un grimpeur par exemple fera comme d'autres des courses sur des terrains plats, il sera juste un peu meilleur que les autres sur les courses de montagne. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-24T22:01:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-21T13:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 24 May 2015 (UTC)</a></s></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose use <a href="/wiki/Property:P413" title="Property:P413">position played on team / speciality (P413)</a>, relabelled as necessary. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-05-31T19:10:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-21T13:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 31 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Pigsonthewing</a> : are you sure ? Because what I ask is not a position played on team, it is a spéciality, like spaghettis for a cooker. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-06-01T14:01:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-05-31T19:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:01, 1 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Absolutely sure. Note what I said abut "relabelled as necessary". <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-01T15:05:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-06-01T14:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 1 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: : thank you, I will adapt the brand new <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Infobox/Cycliste" class="extiw" title="fr:Module:Infobox/Cycliste">Cycliste</a> that will appear on the French Wikipedia when the problem of team listing will be solve. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-06-01T15:26:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-01T15:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:26, 1 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support See above <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Thib_Phil&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Thib Phil (page does not exist)">Thib Phil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thib_Phil" title="User talk:Thib Phil">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Thib_Phil-2015-06-05T06:26:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-21T13:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:26, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:ComputerHotline" title="User:ComputerHotline">ComputerHotline</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ComputerHotline" title="User talk:ComputerHotline">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-ComputerHotline-2015-06-05T14:03:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-21T13:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:03, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose, per <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Pigsonthewing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">contribs</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Log/Pigsonthewing">logs</a>). <a href="/wiki/Property:P413" title="Property:P413">position played on team / speciality (P413)</a> works nicely, but an English label tweak is probably in order. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-06-05T21:52:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-21T13:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:52, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose : finalement, je n'ai pas besoin de cette propriété dans le <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Infobox/Descriptif_course_cycliste" class="extiw" title="fr:Module:Infobox/Descriptif course cycliste">Module:Infobox/Descriptif course cycliste</a>, puisqu'il sera possible d'extraire de la propriété à venir classement général le premier, le deuxième et le troisième. Cette requête que j'ai initié peut donc être clôturée, et la propriété ne doit pas être créée. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-06-06T08:13:00.000Z-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-05-21T13:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 6 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done Opposed (=withdrawn?) by proponent. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-27T17:54:00.000Z-speciality" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="number_of_entries/articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-number_of_entries/articles-2015-01-21T06:10:00.000Z">number of entries/articles</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>number of entries/articles of encyclopedia/database</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>encyclopedia/database</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>number>0</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2013" title="Q2013">Wikidata (Q2013)</a> => 114,598,277</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-GZWDer-2015-01-21T06:10:00.000Z-number_of_entries/articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:10, 21 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-02-22T12:29:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-21T06:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 22 February 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>@<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer"><bdi>GZWDer</bdi></a>: I'm amazed that it doesn't seem there are any properties yet for size, extent, height, width (tried autocomplete on some item, maybe I didn't search right?), etc. So definitely some dimension properties are needed, but I think should be defined in a more general way. Eg in this case "size" or "extent" with qualifier "unit" that can be left out (in this case), or be specified as an item "entries", "records", "pages", or whatever needed. --<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-04-03T11:48:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-21T06:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:48, 3 April 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Quantity with unit data type is still in development. (Happens to be one of the top priorities.) --<a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Izno-2015-04-03T17:16:00.000Z-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-04-03T11:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 3 April 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Question Wouldn't this be better as a more generic "number of parts", to be used with a qualifier ("articles", "pages", "bricks", or whatever)? Unit measurements such as length and width would then be for other properties. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-04-24T10:37:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-21T06:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 24 April 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>support for Andy's idea. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-04-27T16:33:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-04-24T10:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 27 April 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno"><bdi>Izno</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>: Why not the opposite ? We already have properties for whole/part, <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P361" title="Property:P361">part of (P361)</a> (although it might be a good idea to split them according to the corresponding RfC) why not something like <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ Wikipedia ⟩ composed of <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:composed_of" title="Special:Search/Property:composed of">Search</a> ⟨ articles ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1114" title="Property:P1114">quantity (P1114)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1114&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨  100000 ⟩</div> ? We already have the properties. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-04-27T16:47:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-04-27T16:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 27 April 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: I see a problem with <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a> if we want to extend it to lets say "number of users". Saying <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ Wikipedia ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P527&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ users ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1114" title="Property:P1114">quantity (P1114)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1114&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨  100000 ⟩</div> looks strange to me. However, if we turn it around and say <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ Wikipedia ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1114" title="Property:P1114">quantity (P1114)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1114&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨  100000 ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ users ⟩</div> it's in my opinion more natural. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-12T21:17:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-04-27T16:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 12 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I on the other end of the line have a big problem with <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> personally, because it can be used everywhere and is not really well defined, plus a big problem with a main snack number: 10000 because it's meaningless as is, and it's exported alone in some Wikidata exports. Wikipedia is made of article, on the other hand, makes much more sense. As a car is made of 4 wheels, a car is made of wheels, and a car is made of 4. I actually already used this expression in Wikidada. But for the size of the community, it deserves a more specialized property anyway. Something like contributors or contributes, as contributors builds and manages the project. But we would nether say that Shakespeare is a part of Romeo and Juliet :) <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-05-13T06:35:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-05-12T21:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:35, 13 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: Per TomT0m, once you go that direction I think we already have the properties (I'm not sure those properties would correctly be used in that fashion however. It's lingering around my head as a potentially good idea but I'm not sure about specifics. --<a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Izno-2015-04-28T15:45:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-04-24T10:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 28 April 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li> <li>Tentative support. Still musing on Pigs's suggestion. --<a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Izno-2015-04-28T15:45:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-21T06:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 28 April 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-04-28T23:21:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-21T06:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:21, 28 April 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose while nobody has a good argument against the <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ Wikipedia ⟩ composed of <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:composed_of" title="Special:Search/Property:composed of">Search</a> ⟨ articles ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1114" title="Property:P1114">quantity (P1114)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1114&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨  100000 ⟩</div> solution. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-04-29T10:34:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-21T06:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:34, 29 April 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>To give an example, and generalisation, I used this into the <a href="/wiki/Q19841009" title="Q19841009">integer couple (Q19841009)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q19841009&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q19841009&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> to express that an ordered pair of integers is made of two integers. This is a generic solution I did not really found a problem with. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-04-29T10:37:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-04-29T10:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 29 April 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose - <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a> with the <a href="/wiki/Property:P1114" title="Property:P1114">quantity (P1114)</a> qualifier is a cleaner solution. It also is easy to cover a work that has multiple types of parts (321 entries, 12 appendices, 3 indices, 42 tables, etc.) <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-05-05T18:55:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-21T06:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:55, 5 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done @<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer"><bdi>GZWDer</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev"><bdi>Vladimir Alexiev</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno"><bdi>Izno</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner"><bdi>Joshbaumgartner</bdi></a>: Use the alternative methods proposed.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-26T14:08:00.000Z-number_of_entries/articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="source_language_of_given_name" data-mw-thread-id="h-source_language_of_given_name-2015-02-07T11:36:00.000Z">source language of given name</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>language this spelling of a first name or given name comes from. Of use for <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Names" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Names">Wikidata:WikiProject Names</a>.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>given name items</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>items for languages</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q4160311" title="Q4160311">Jean (Q4160311)</a>, female given name: <dl><dd>source language of given name → <a href="/wiki/Q1860" title="Q1860">English (Q1860)</a></dd></dl></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q7521081" title="Q7521081">Jean (Q7521081)</a>, male given name: <dl><dd>source language of given name → <a href="/wiki/Q150" title="Q150">French (Q150)</a></dd></dl></li></ul></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:Ash_Crow" title="User:Ash Crow">Ash Crow</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Dereckson" title="User:Dereckson">Dereckson</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Harmonia_Amanda" title="User:Harmonia Amanda">Harmonia Amanda</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Hsarrazin" title="User:Hsarrazin">Hsarrazin</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="/wiki/User:%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%96%D1%87_%D0%A3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B7%D1%96%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%9E" title="User:Чаховіч Уладзіслаў">Чаховіч Уладзіслаў</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Joxemai" title="User:Joxemai">Joxemai</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Place_Clichy" title="User:Place Clichy">Place Clichy</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Branthecan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Branthecan (page does not exist)">Branthecan</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Azertus" title="User:Azertus">Azertus</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User:Jon Harald Søby">Jon Harald Søby</a> <a href="/wiki/User:PKM" title="User:PKM">PKM</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pmt" title="User:Pmt">Pmt</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Sight_Contamination" title="User:Sight Contamination">Sight Contamination</a> <a href="/wiki/User:MaksOttoVonStirlitz" title="User:MaksOttoVonStirlitz">MaksOttoVonStirlitz</a> <a href="/wiki/User:BeatrixBelibaste" title="User:BeatrixBelibaste">BeatrixBelibaste</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Moebeus" title="User:Moebeus">Moebeus</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Dcflyer" title="User:Dcflyer">Dcflyer</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Looniverse" title="User:Looniverse">Looniverse</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Aya_Reyad" title="User:Aya Reyad">Aya Reyad</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Tris_T7" title="User:Tris T7">Tris T7</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Klaas_van_Buiten" title="User:Klaas van Buiten">Klaas 'Z4us' van B. V</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Deborahjay" title="User:Deborahjay">Deborahjay</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Brunokito" title="User:Brunokito">Bruno Biondi</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ZI_Jony" title="User:ZI Jony">ZI Jony</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Laddo" title="User:Laddo">Laddo</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Da_Dapper_Don" title="User:Da Dapper Don">Da Dapper Don</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Data_Gamer" title="User:Data Gamer">Data Gamer</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Luca.favorido" title="User:Luca.favorido"> Luca favorido </a> <a href="/wiki/User:DataAnalyticsSir" title="User:DataAnalyticsSir"> The Sir of Data Analytics </a> <a href="/wiki/User:Skim" title="User:Skim">Skim</a> <a href="/wiki/User:E4024" title="User:E4024">E4024</a> <a href="/wiki/User:JhowieNitnek" title="User:JhowieNitnek">JhowieNitnek</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Envlh" title="User:Envlh">Envlh</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Giaccai" title="User:Giaccai">Susanna Giaccai</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ep%C3%ACdosis" title="User:Epìdosis">Epìdosis</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Aluxosm" title="User:Aluxosm">Aluxosm</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Dnshitobu" title="User:Dnshitobu">Dnshitobu</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ruky_Wunpini" title="User:Ruky Wunpini">Ruky Wunpini</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Bal%C3%BB" title="User:Balû">Balû</a> <a href="/wiki/User:StarTrekker" title="User:StarTrekker">★Trekker</a> </div><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Names/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Names/Participants">participants of WikiProject Names</a> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment This is to replace <a href="/wiki/Property:P364" title="Property:P364">P:P364</a> on items for given names. P364 used to have the label "language", but is now labelled "language of the original work", so it can't be used anymore and we need to find a replacement. The more general proposal above (<a href="#language.2C_except_for_works_or_persons">#language.2C_except_for_works_or_persons</a>) didn't seem to fly. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-02-07T11:36:00.000Z-source_language_of_given_name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 7 February 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support per proposal. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-02-07T11:36:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-02-07T11:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 7 February 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Question @<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: What's wrong with the generic "language" properties in this case ? Does not seem right to create one property for name, one other for whatever else, etc. A gender statement or/and make a statement like <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q4160311" title="Q4160311">Jean (Q4160311)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q4160311&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q4160311&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P31&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q11879590" title="Q11879590">female given name (Q11879590)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q11879590&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q11879590&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩</div> seems useful, however <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-02-23T16:39:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-02-07T11:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 23 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I don't know. It's just that I need some sort of a property for these items. Given the new (English) label of <a href="/wiki/Property:P364" title="Property:P364">P:P364</a>, I can't use that anymore. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-02-23T18:10:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-02-23T16:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:10, 23 February 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>BTW, I improved the presentation of the example above. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-02-24T17:43:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-02-23T16:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 24 February 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Question What about <a href="/wiki/Property:P1705" title="Property:P1705">native label (P1705)</a>. It can be used in any supported language instead of label, and consists both the source language and original writing form. That method is best if infobox want to show the name in original form in Wikipedia article. However, there is problem for spoken only languages, but do we need it? If yes I would prefer generic property that point for the source language of any name, no only the given one, for etymological purposes. <a href="/wiki/User:Pawe%C5%82_Ziemian" title="User:Paweł Ziemian">Paweł Ziemian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pawe%C5%82_Ziemian" title="User talk:Paweł Ziemian">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Paweł_Ziemian-2015-04-11T14:49:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-02-07T11:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 11 April 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose. A property that is only used for given names is way too narrow. We do need a language but this isn't it. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-04-11T17:58:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-02-07T11:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 11 April 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose I also think this is too narrow. Better a more general property "source language of this label".--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-15T09:21:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-02-07T11:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:21, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done @<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pawe%C5%82_Ziemian" title="User:Paweł Ziemian"><bdi>Paweł Ziemian</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: Too narrow, resubmit with a broader scope. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-26T13:59:00.000Z-source_language_of_given_name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Properties_for_this_type" data-mw-thread-id="h-Properties_for_this_type-2015-05-18T18:16:00.000Z">Properties for this type</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1963" title="Property:P1963">properties for this type</a> (P1963) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1963" title="Property talk:P1963">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-property" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Property</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>items with a <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> statement</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Property:P21" title="Property:P21">sex or gender (P21)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Create constraint violation report</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Could help us for documentation, conceptual clarity and maintenance. The most obvious use I see would be the creation of new kinds of "constraint violation" reports. The current system is organized by property, like <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P31" title="Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P31">Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P31</a>. It is really useful for some purposes, but leaves holes and would usefully be supplemented by a system based on the item <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> statements. For instance, if <a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a> (or a superclass of it) has a "properties for this type: <a href="/wiki/Property:P21" title="Property:P21">sex or gender (P21)</a>" statement, a constraint violation report would warn us about items that are instance of humans but do not have a P21. It is not easy to do this sort of things using a property-based method like <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P21" title="Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P21">Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P21</a>. @<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Emw" title="User:Emw"><bdi>emw</bdi></a>: for class issues, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ivan_A._Krestinin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ivan A. Krestinin (page does not exist)"><bdi>Ivan A. Krestinin</bdi></a>: for constraint reports. <a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Zolo-2015-05-18T18:16:00.000Z-Properties_for_this_type" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 18 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Question Will optional properties be linked using this property? For example <a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Property:P570" title="Property:P570">date of death (P570)</a>. — <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ivan_A._Krestinin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ivan A. Krestinin (page does not exist)">Ivan A. Krestinin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ivan_A._Krestinin" title="User talk:Ivan A. Krestinin">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Ivan_A._Krestinin-2015-05-18T19:53:00.000Z-Properties_for_this_type" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 18 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I don't really know, but I think it should start with the most straight-forward non-optional properties. For optional properties, maybe we should have a second property, or maybe it should use qualifiers to have more flexibility. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Zolo-2015-05-19T06:21:00.000Z-Ivan_A._Krestinin-2015-05-18T19:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:21, 19 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment seems to be similar to <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Property_metadata#property" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Property metadata">this proposal</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-18T19:58:00.000Z-Properties_for_this_type" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 18 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>: actually I am not sure to get how <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Property_metadata#property" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Property metadata">Wikidata:Property_proposal/Property_metadata#property</a> is meant to work but afaik it is supposed to be used in properties, while this proposal is for a property to be used in items. --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Zolo-2015-05-19T06:21:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-05-18T19:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:21, 19 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Yes that proposal focuses on constraints on properties but there isn't a big difference between the constraint <a href="/wiki/Property:P569" title="Property:P569">date of birth (P569)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Property:P21" title="Property:P21">sex or gender (P21)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Property:P21" title="Property:P21">sex or gender (P21)</a> so using the same property could simplify it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-20T16:00:00.000Z-Zolo-2015-05-19T06:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 20 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment From the OWL point of view, this is (as the preceding proposal) a part of a class expression definition, more precisely an <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-syntax/#Existential_Quantification">existential quantification</a>. A class can be defined such that its instances have this property with some value. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-05-19T19:47:00.000Z-Properties_for_this_type" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 19 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support with an alias to the OWL formulation. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-05-19T19:47:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-05-19T19:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 19 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-06-05T17:32:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-05-19T19:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Question @<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo"><bdi>Zolo</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>:Could this property also be used with items representing templates or infoboxes? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-14T08:31:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-05-19T19:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:31, 14 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>: Imho it would be a better pattern to map infoboxes with types. Then the properties for the infobox would be the same than the property for the class, so less redundancy. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-06-14T10:36:00.000Z-Micru-2015-06-14T08:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:36, 14 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: I think I understand what you mean, but just to be sure that it is more clear, could you please provide an example?--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-15T09:15:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-06-14T10:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Create a new render instances property, with infobox templates as domain, and with classes (or metaclasses) as range. For example, <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q5624818" title="Q5624818">Template:Infobox scientist (Q5624818)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q5624818&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q5624818&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟩ renders instances <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:renders_instances" title="Special:Search/Property:renders instances">Search</a> ⟨ Q901 ⟩</div>. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-06-15T10:54:00.000Z-Micru-2015-06-14T08:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:54, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: Currently there is <a href="/wiki/Property:P1423" title="Property:P1423">template has topic (P1423)</a>, is that not enough? It seems to be a bit redundant to have two properties for a similar purpose.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-15T13:36:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-06-15T10:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>:, yep, I guess we should rename this property as it's way more precise as the current label to say that the template can be applied to the instances of the object of this property than to say it's the main topic or whatever. Do you have your answer ? It seems enough to check the properties from that item, and less redundant. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-06-15T14:20:00.000Z-Micru-2015-06-15T13:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: There is no need to change the label, you can write it in the description field if needed. The reason for leaving as it is, it is because of consistency with the other "main" properties.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-16T18:25:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-06-15T14:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 16 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Ivan_A._Krestinin&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Ivan A. Krestinin (page does not exist)"><bdi>Ivan A. Krestinin</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo"><bdi>Zolo</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Josh_Baumgartner&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Josh Baumgartner (page does not exist)"><bdi>Josh Baumgartner</bdi></a>: Done.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-26T13:56:00.000Z-Properties_for_this_type" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:56, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Patron" data-mw-thread-id="h-Patron-2015-05-26T19:38:00.000Z">Patron</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P1962&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P1962 (page does not exist)">no label</a> (P1962) (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P1962&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property talk:P1962 (page does not exist)">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"mécènes" in <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:Infobox_Artiste" class="extiw" title="fr:template:Infobox Artiste">fr:template:Infobox Artiste</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>Michelangelo → Julius II</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> The patron of an artist. Maybe that could be extended to people/companies subsidizing events, schools, etc. ? <a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Zolo-2015-05-26T19:38:00.000Z-Patron" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 26 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <dl><dd>we have <a href="/wiki/Property:P1028" title="Property:P1028">donated by (P1028)</a> to use perhaps more general--<a href="/wiki/User:Oursana" title="User:Oursana">Oursana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oursana" title="User talk:Oursana">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Oursana-2015-05-26T20:21:00.000Z-Zolo-2015-05-26T19:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 26 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I don't think this can really be used. "Donated by" means something like "benevolently transferred the property to" while "patron" means something like "subsidizes". The pope did not donate Michelangelo to anyone~:). --<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo">Zolo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zolo" title="User talk:Zolo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Zolo-2015-05-27T07:10:00.000Z-Oursana-2015-05-26T20:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:10, 27 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-14T08:32:00.000Z-Zolo-2015-05-26T19:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:32, 14 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment I have used <a href="/wiki/Property:P108" title="Property:P108">employer (P108)</a> a few times in this case, e.g. <a href="/wiki/Q5599" title="Q5599">Peter Paul Rubens (Q5599)</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P108" title="Property:P108">employer (P108)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q182021" title="Q182021">Marie de' Medici (Q182021)</a>. I don't mind turning this into a specific, new property though, it would probably make searching for artist-patron relationships easier. <a href="/wiki/User:Spinster" title="User:Spinster">Spinster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spinster" title="User talk:Spinster">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Spinster-2015-06-14T19:16:00.000Z-Zolo-2015-05-26T19:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 14 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - Patron is a unique relationship, different from employment, ownership, or commissioning of a work, so it warrants its own property. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-06-15T16:16:00.000Z-Zolo-2015-05-26T19:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose: Please give a clear and reliable defintion. --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Succu-2015-06-17T20:32:00.000Z-Zolo-2015-05-26T19:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 17 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>strong <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Oursana" title="User:Oursana">Oursana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oursana" title="User talk:Oursana">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Oursana-2015-06-18T01:25:00.000Z-Zolo-2015-05-26T19:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:25, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support propriété intéressante à avoir dans le domaine de l'art. <a href="/wiki/User:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-G%C3%BCnther-Heinz_J%C3%A4hnick" title="User talk:Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jérémy-Günther-Heinz_Jähnick-2015-06-18T14:26:00.000Z-Zolo-2015-05-26T19:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-06-18T18:06:00.000Z-Zolo-2015-05-26T19:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Zolo" title="User:Zolo"><bdi>Zolo</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Oursana" title="User:Oursana"><bdi>Oursana</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Spinster" title="User:Spinster"><bdi>Spinster</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner"><bdi>Joshbaumgartner</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu"><bdi>Succu</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: Done.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-26T13:49:00.000Z-Patron" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:49, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="x_Lua_function_of_location_map" data-mw-thread-id="h-x_Lua_function_of_location_map-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z">x Lua function of location map</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>see above. use as qualifier.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5625881" title="Q5625881">Template:Location map (Q5625881)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>place</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>see above</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-GZWDer-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z-x_Lua_function_of_location_map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 6 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>If there're a universal Lua function to calculate it automatically, these two requests is not needed.--<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-GZWDer-2015-01-06T13:20:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:20, 6 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>It's just a formula of (conic?) projection, which has substituted the coordinate values. It certainly can be calculated automatically. —<a href="/wiki/User:Putnik" title="User:Putnik">putnik</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Putnik-2015-04-27T18:18:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-06T13:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 27 April 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done - can be calculated. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-10T22:51:00.000Z-x_Lua_function_of_location_map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 10 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="y_Lua_function_of_location_map" data-mw-thread-id="h-y_Lua_function_of_location_map-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z">y Lua function of location map</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>see above. use as qualifier.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5625881" title="Q5625881">Template:Location map (Q5625881)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>place</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>see above</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-GZWDer-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z-y_Lua_function_of_location_map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 6 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done - can be calculated. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-10T22:52:00.000Z-y_Lua_function_of_location_map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 10 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="street_key" data-mw-thread-id="h-street_key-2014-01-29T17:15:00.000Z">street key</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1945" title="Property:P1945">street key</a> (P1945) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1945" title="Property talk:P1945">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q79007" title="Q79007">street (Q79007)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q174782" title="Q174782">square (Q174782)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>1-4 digits (in the case of Bonn)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q15677691" title="Q15677691">Augustastraße (Q15677691)</a> = <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://stadtplan.bonn.de/strassen_auskunft.php?strasse=2046&query_id=145274">2046</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://stadtplan.bonn.de/strassenkataster.html">http://stadtplan.bonn.de/strassenkataster.html</a> (example for the city of Bonn)</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Leit" title="User:Leit">Leit</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Leit" title="User talk:Leit">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> The street is the lowest level of spatial attribution/allocation/relation. For localities and municipalities various identifiers already exist, but not for streets and squares. The street key should be <s>referenced</s> qualified by a new item for the specific street cadastra.<a href="/wiki/User:Leit" title="User:Leit">Leit</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Leit" title="User talk:Leit">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Leit-2014-01-29T17:15:00.000Z-street_key" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 29 January 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment I understand this as a kind of "generic" property: The number (or better string?) always has to be qualified by the something where the number stems from. This might be an administrative body (community or a certain administrative branch changing its name every now and then?) or an official list (instance of an official publication - but what to do when it's not published) maintained by such a body - I'm not sure which point of view works better for our purpose. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel">Gymel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gymel" title="User talk:Gymel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Gymel-2014-01-29T18:56:00.000Z-Leit-2014-01-29T17:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 29 January 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I guess a property "street key" would be equivalent to (<a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a>?) or a more specific form of <a href="/wiki/Property:P528" title="Property:P528">catalog code (P528)</a> – thus a qualifier equivalent to <a href="/wiki/Property:P972" title="Property:P972">catalog (P972)</a> is needed. I'd like to add that one might even consider the possibility simply to state that a certain street or square is part of the official "street cadastre" at all even when the street key is unknown or doesn't exist. Thereby one could seperate or sort out those streets and especially squares which do not have an official but only an informal name – for example a certain building can be located at the Bahnhofsvorplatz (square in front of a train station) but this is not an official adress as the square is composed of parts of other streets. If that solution was to be applied "street key" would not make sense as a property but as a qualifier to (maybe?) <a href="/wiki/Property:P361" title="Property:P361">part of (P361)</a> => (experimentally new item:) <a href="/wiki/Q15701662" title="Q15701662">street cadastre of Bonn (Q15701662)</a>. I'm still looking for a suitable umbrella form for "streets and squares that can officially be adressed".--<a href="/wiki/User:Leit" title="User:Leit">Leit</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Leit" title="User talk:Leit">talk</a>) 00:24, 2 February 2014 (UTC) There's another example of how it can be useful to sort out "address streets" from other ones: A building can at the same time be located at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kreisstra%C3%9Fe" class="extiw" title="en:Kreisstraße">Kreisstraße</a> XY (no address street) and at Hauptstraße (address street). Also, the address street is not necessarily completely part of the non-address street – as an example it does often occur in Germany that a Hauptstraße (main street) within the downton area is part of such a street (Federal street, Landesstraße etc.) only up until the pedestrian zone.--<a href="/wiki/User:Leit" title="User:Leit">Leit</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Leit" title="User talk:Leit">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Leit-2014-02-02T00:24:00.000Z-Gymel-2014-01-29T18:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 2 February 2014 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support but should always have a 'catalog' qualifier to indicate which registry the code comes from. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-05-18T00:06:00.000Z-Leit-2014-01-29T17:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:06, 18 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support if it is used as generic property with qualifier <a href="/wiki/Property:P972" title="Property:P972">catalog (P972)</a> to indicate which registry is used. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-20T21:54:00.000Z-Leit-2014-01-29T17:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 20 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-12T22:11:00.000Z-Leit-2014-01-29T17:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Digital_Atlas_of_the_Roman_Empire_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Digital_Atlas_of_the_Roman_Empire_ID-2015-06-03T10:21:00.000Z">Digital Atlas of the Roman Empire ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1936" title="Property:P1936">Digital Atlas of the Roman Empire ID</a> (P1936) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1936" title="Property talk:P1936">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Roman sites</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Integers</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Possible</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Reputable Lund University service, also served as linked data ( <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://dare.ht.lu.se/places/20700.rdf">http://dare.ht.lu.se/places/20700.rdf</a> / <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://dare.ht.lu.se/places/20700.ttl">http://dare.ht.lu.se/places/20700.ttl</a> ). That database already includes Wikidata IDs (6,859 at time of writing); a list of equivalences will be requested, or perhaps may be fetchable programmatically. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-03T10:21:00.000Z-Digital_Atlas_of_the_Roman_Empire_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 3 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1936" title="Property:P1936">Digital Atlas of the Roman Empire ID (P1936)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-12T10:44:00.000Z-Digital_Atlas_of_the_Roman_Empire_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:44, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="relief_location_map" data-mw-thread-id="h-relief_location_map-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z">relief location map</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1944" title="Property:P1944">relief location map</a> (P1944) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1944" title="Property talk:P1944">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5625881" title="Q5625881">Template:Location map (Q5625881)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>place</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-GZWDer-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z-relief_location_map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 6 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%96%D1%87_%D0%A3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B7%D1%96%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%9E" title="User:Чаховіч Уладзіслаў">Чаховіч Уладзіслаў</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%96%D1%87_%D0%A3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B7%D1%96%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%9E" title="User talk:Чаховіч Уладзіслаў">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Чаховіч_Уладзіслаў-2015-03-22T13:15:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 22 March 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-05-18T00:02:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:02, 18 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-20T22:04:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 20 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-12T21:54:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-06T13:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:54, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Comité_des_travaux_historiques_et_scientifiques" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comité_des_travaux_historiques_et_scientifiques-2015-06-12T19:32:00.000Z">Comité des travaux historiques et scientifiques</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1961" title="Property:P1961">CTHS society ID</a> (P1961) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1961" title="Property talk:P1961">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Comité des travaux historiques et scientifiques</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2985434" title="Q2985434">Comité des travaux historiques et scientifiques</a> (Q2985434)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>items on artists</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>2 to 6 digits number (numbers from 10 to 999999)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q19860488" title="Q19860488">Louis Rogniat (Q19860488)</a> to 112223</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc.</td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://cths.fr/an/prosopo.php?id=$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> The CTHS is a French learned society created in 1834 which contains a lot of informations about artists. Note there's also a different URL which is used to request information on an organization (ex : <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://cths.fr/an/societe.php?id=112223">leads to nothing</a> but <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://cths.fr/an/prosopo.php?id=112223">leads to ROGNIAT Louis</a>. This time, I care about this proposal, since I use it very often. <a href="/wiki/User:JeanBono" class="mw-redirect" title="User:JeanBono">JeanBono</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JeanBono" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:JeanBono">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-JeanBono-2015-06-12T19:32:00.000Z-Comité_des_travaux_historiques_et_scientifiques" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Looks useful <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-12T21:11:00.000Z-JeanBono-2015-06-12T19:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:11, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-15T09:19:00.000Z-JeanBono-2015-06-12T19:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:19, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-06-18T18:21:00.000Z-JeanBono-2015-06-12T19:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Google_Scholar_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Google_Scholar_ID-2015-06-16T08:48:00.000Z">Google Scholar ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1960" title="Property:P1960">Google Scholar author ID</a> (P1960) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1960" title="Property talk:P1960">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td>humans</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Valid Google Scholar URL stems</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Widely used. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-16T08:48:00.000Z-Google_Scholar_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:48, 16 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-06-18T18:28:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-16T08:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-22T22:11:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-16T08:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 22 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1960" title="Property:P1960">Google Scholar author ID (P1960)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-25T14:25:00.000Z-Google_Scholar_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:25, 25 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="number_of_children" data-mw-thread-id="h-number_of_children-2015-06-20T17:43:00.000Z">number of children</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1971" title="Property:P1971">number of children</a> (P1971) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1971" title="Property talk:P1971">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>number of children of the person. In cases where the full list isn't or shouldn't be added in <a href="/wiki/Property:P40" title="Property:P40">child (P40)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"children" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_officeholder" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox officeholder">en:Template:Infobox officeholder</a>, or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_model" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox model">en:Template:Infobox model</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>person</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>1-2000</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q151866" title="Q151866">Adriana Lima (Q151866)</a> → 2</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>WP infobox</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support to enable infobox conversion. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-06-20T17:43:00.000Z-number_of_children" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 20 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>Remarkably, 100 is an inadequate maximum; see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_the_most_children#Males" class="extiw" title="en:List of people with the most children">en:List of people with the most children#Males</a>. Also, please provide a valid example. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-20T17:53:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-06-20T17:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 20 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>LOL interesting list: I changed the range ;) For samples, please see <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/templatetiger/tt-table4.php?template=Infobox%20Officeholder&lang=enwiki&where=children&is=2&columns=children">this list</a>. Have your pick at a balanced, politically neutral, set of samples. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-06-20T21:55:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-20T17:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 20 June 2015 (UTC)</a> Just found it in another infobox as well => done. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-06-20T22:14:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-20T17:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 20 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-22T22:12:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-06-20T17:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 22 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>Why not just use <a href="/wiki/Property:P40" title="Property:P40">child (P40)</a> "unknown" however many times? --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Yair_rand-2015-06-22T22:49:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-06-20T17:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:49, 22 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>There's several problems I can see with that idea: There's no way to specify a precision, e.g. see the page Andy linked to, the top entry is "1000-2000". Even if you decide on an exact number to add, nobody is going to want to add the same thing tens or hundreds of times (and it would make the page really slow to load if you did). It's really hard to tell just how many times you've used a property the more times you use it. Then there's a risk that people will think that they're duplicate statements and remove them. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Nikki-2015-06-23T00:44:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-06-22T22:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:44, 23 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I like the idea to some extent: the list is rather an exception, but I'm also worried about people removing them as duplicates. Counting them isn't necessarily easy either. When creating new properties, there is always a compromise to make between the theoretically ideal way and the practicalities of adding and maintaining and retrieving statements. Unfortunately we tend to get lots of input of the first type and rarely of the second. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-06-23T16:36:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-06-23T00:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 23 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jura&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jura (page does not exist)"><bdi>Jura</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki"><bdi>Nikki</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand"><bdi>Yair rand</bdi></a>: Done. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2015-06-27T19:03:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-06-20T17:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="IPI_/_CAE_Identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-IPI_/_CAE_Identifier-2015-06-28T16:22:00.000Z">IPI / CAE Identifier</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The IPI/CAE number (Interested Parties Information) is an international identification number assigned to a right holder (songwriters, publishers, etc) to uniquely identify them (sometimes there are non uniqueness cases, such as the example of Madonna).</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>?</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Creators</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>?</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>IPI = 00214251707 for <a href="/wiki/Q106567" title="Q106567">Toby Gad (Q106567)</a> the #3 Songwriter in USA. <a href="/wiki/Q1744" title="Q1744">Madonna (Q1744)</a>, from my research, has a few, IPI=00128246872 and IPI=00125053706</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.bmi.com/faq/entry/what_is_an_ipi_cae_number">http://www.bmi.com/faq/entry/what_is_an_ipi_cae_number</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.ipisystem.org/SUISASITES/IPI/ipipublic.nsf/pages/index1">http://www.ipisystem.org/SUISASITES/IPI/ipipublic.nsf/pages/index1</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Provides cross-referencing across some public music data sets and songwriter lists. It is the only internationally used identifier across all systems for Songwriters and Publishers. It is similar to ISRC for music recordings, but instead it is used to identify the creators (songwriters) themselves. <a href="/wiki/User:Thadguidry" title="User:Thadguidry">Thadguidry</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thadguidry" title="User talk:Thadguidry">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Thadguidry-2015-06-28T16:22:00.000Z-IPI_/_CAE_Identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 28 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support An important cross-system identifier used in the music and media industries. <a href="/wiki/User:Thadguidry" title="User:Thadguidry">Thadguidry</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thadguidry" title="User talk:Thadguidry">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Thadguidry-2015-06-28T16:22:00.000Z-IPI_/_CAE_Identifier-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 28 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> This already exists as <a href="/wiki/Property:P1828" title="Property:P1828">IPI name number (P1828)</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Nikki-2015-06-28T17:58:00.000Z-IPI_/_CAE_Identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 28 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>not done, duplicate of <a href="/wiki/Property:P1828" title="Property:P1828">IPI name number (P1828)</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-07-01T13:36:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-06-28T17:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 1 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>Awesome, I'll use <a href="/wiki/Property:P1828" title="Property:P1828">IPI name number (P1828)</a> - <a href="/wiki/User:Thadguidry" title="User:Thadguidry">Thadguidry</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thadguidry" title="User talk:Thadguidry">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Thadguidry-2015-07-03T13:05:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-06-28T17:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:05, 3 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="investor" data-mw-thread-id="h-investor-2015-03-03T08:12:00.000Z">investor</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1951" title="Property:P1951">investor</a> (P1951) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1951" title="Property talk:P1951">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>individuals or entities that have made a private investment in the company</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q883722" title="Q883722">blekko (Q883722)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q17090594" title="Q17090594">U.S. Venture Partners (Q17090594)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q5012877" title="Q5012877">CMEA Capital (Q5012877)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q62882" title="Q62882">Marc Andreessen (Q62882)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Antrocent" title="User:Antrocent">Antrocent</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antrocent" title="User talk:Antrocent">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> For firms that have received <a href="/w/index.php?title=Venture_capital&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Venture capital (page does not exist)">venture capital</a> and the like. <a href="/wiki/User:Antrocent" title="User:Antrocent">Antrocent</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antrocent" title="User talk:Antrocent">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Antrocent-2015-03-03T08:12:00.000Z-investor" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:12, 3 March 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Can we change the name to "investors" and expand it's use to public investors too? We probably need a qualifier property as well, to specify the percentage of the organization owned by each investor. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-05-11T16:49:00.000Z-Antrocent-2015-03-03T08:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 11 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Agreed, an 'investor' property to which we can add all notable investors would be useful. Qualifiers can come in time as appropriate datatypes are rolled out. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-06-05T21:45:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-05-11T16:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:45, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done @<a href="/wiki/User:Antrocent" title="User:Antrocent"><bdi>Antrocent</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-06-15T16:34:00.000Z-investor" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="period_in_years" data-mw-thread-id="h-period_in_years-2014-10-15T16:22:00.000Z">period in years</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>period between a recurring event, e.g. elections for a parliament, council, council, a recurring sport event or award</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Beispiel: <a href="/wiki/Q1398920" title="Q1398920">General council (Q1398920)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q35749" title="Q35749">parliament (Q35749)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q18608583" title="Q18608583">recurring sporting event (Q18608583)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q618779" title="Q618779">award (Q618779)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1398920" title="Q1398920">General council (Q1398920)</a> =>election period in years => 6 <a href="/wiki/Q5389" title="Q5389">Olympic Games (Q5389)</a> => period in years => 4 <a href="/wiki/Q1687646" title="Q1687646">Jerg-Ratgeb Prize (Q1687646)</a> => period in years => 4</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Externe Referenzen, Listenartikel in der Wikipedia (entweder Infobox oder Quelle)</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Oursana" title="User:Oursana">Oursana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oursana" title="User talk:Oursana">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Motivation: We need this property to express the election period and other periods <a href="/wiki/User:Oursana" title="User:Oursana">Oursana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oursana" title="User talk:Oursana">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Oursana-2015-06-11T01:23:00.000Z-period_in_years" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:23, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a> copied from <a class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/29&diff=next&oldid=201918431">https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/29&diff=next&oldid=201918431</a> which was archived by mistake <ul><li>Do we need a way to clarify cases like the U.S. House of Representatives in the U.S., where there are elections every 2 years, but the term of office is 6 years, because only 1/3 of seats are up for re-election each time? Or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_City_Council" class="extiw" title="en:Cambridge City Council">en:Cambridge City Council</a> where "Elections for a third of the seats take place 3 out of every 4 years" ? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald">Jheald</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jheald" title="User talk:Jheald">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jheald-2014-10-15T16:22:00.000Z-period_in_years" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 15 October 2014 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>strong yes, but first we have to install the general property for hundreds or thousands of parliaments in the world and their different election periods, because also in your example we need this property, and then use qualifier with <a href="/wiki/Property:P518" title="Property:P518">applies to part, aspect, or form (P518)</a> 1/3 or 33 %--<a href="/wiki/User:Oursana" title="User:Oursana">Oursana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oursana" title="User talk:Oursana">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Oursana-2014-10-24T22:03:00.000Z-Jheald-2014-10-15T16:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 24 October 2014 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support the only question I have is the basic time unit - aren't there any elections happening every n months? <a href="/wiki/User:Apohllo" title="User:Apohllo">Apohllo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Apohllo" title="User talk:Apohllo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Apohllo-2015-01-15T23:27:00.000Z-Jheald-2014-10-15T16:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 15 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>yes, there are elections every "n" years therefore my property proposal "election period in years" to tell us. Thanks for your support--<a href="/wiki/User:Oursana" title="User:Oursana">Oursana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oursana" title="User talk:Oursana">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Oursana-2015-01-17T15:59:00.000Z-Apohllo-2015-01-15T23:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 17 January 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/15px-GA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/23px-GA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/30px-GA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="183" data-file-height="196"/> Weak support but I would use number datatype --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-01-21T21:45:00.000Z-Jheald-2014-10-15T16:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:45, 21 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done thx --<a href="/wiki/User:Oursana" title="User:Oursana">Oursana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oursana" title="User talk:Oursana">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Oursana-2015-01-27T01:55:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-01-21T21:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/15px-BA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/23px-BA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/30px-BA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="190" data-file-height="200"/> Weak oppose I think this should wait the quantity datatype, as other stuffs (we already had a BPM property proposed to deletion). <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-06-15T10:57:00.000Z-Jheald-2014-10-15T16:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:57, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose to the current proposition: should be "period" with numeric datatype with unit. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Snipre-2015-06-15T17:18:00.000Z-Jheald-2014-10-15T16:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:18, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done Wrong datatype. Wait till "number with units".--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-26T14:37:00.000Z-period_in_years" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="UN/LOCODE" data-mw-thread-id="h-UN/LOCODE-2015-05-26T10:39:00.000Z">UN/LOCODE</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1937" title="Property:P1937">UN/LOCODE</a> (P1937) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1937" title="Property talk:P1937">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td>types of items that may bear this property</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Checking if the item with this property has coordinates</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Codelist mantained by an UN agency for economic and transportation business activity. It's related to the IATA code in case of a city with an airport. It's a standard in trade, for example in the logistic sector. UNECE releases two editions per year and mantaining it Wikidata could be useful for complex queries or data enrichment. The code is made by two parts: first two letters come from ISO Alpha 2 code, the others identify the location. A "formal" description is in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://github.com/datasets/un-locode/blob/master/datapackage.json">this datapackage</a> I contributed The extracted latest data is in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://github.com/datasets/un-locode/tree/master/datathis">code-list csv</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Sabas88" title="User:Sabas88">Sabas88</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sabas88" title="User talk:Sabas88">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sabas88-2015-05-26T10:39:00.000Z-UN/LOCODE" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:39, 26 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support This is useful and clear. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-06-05T22:19:00.000Z-Sabas88-2015-05-26T10:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:19, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Thryduulf-2015-06-08T14:22:00.000Z-Sabas88-2015-05-26T10:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 8 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Sabas88" title="User:Sabas88"><bdi>Sabas88</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner"><bdi>Joshbaumgartner</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1937" title="Property:P1937">UN/LOCODE (P1937)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-11T09:08:00.000Z-UN/LOCODE" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:08, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="takeoff_and_landing_capability" data-mw-thread-id="h-takeoff_and_landing_capability-2015-06-05T22:18:00.000Z">takeoff and landing capability</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1956" title="Property:P1956">takeoff and landing capability</a> (P1956) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1956" title="Property talk:P1956">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q11436" title="Q11436">aircraft (Q11436)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q20031543" title="Q20031543">aircraft undercarriage class (Q20031543)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Along the lines of <a href="/wiki/Property:P1654" title="Property:P1654">wing configuration (P1654)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1637" title="Property:P1637">undercarriage (P1637)</a> this is a basic characteristic of aircraft that should be reflected with its own property. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-06-05T22:18:00.000Z-takeoff_and_landing_capability" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Thryduulf-2015-06-08T14:22:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-06-05T22:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 8 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment: is it possible to already have a list of the type of takeoff and landing which can be used as value for this property ? The constraints should be described in the proposal when possible in order to foreseen some limitations. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Snipre-2015-06-08T14:30:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-06-05T22:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 8 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>: Good point, I added the allowed values parameter to show this. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-06-08T22:15:00.000Z-Snipre-2015-06-08T14:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 8 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/15px-GA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/23px-GA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/30px-GA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="183" data-file-height="196"/> Weak support Seem usefull, and I see no drawback yet. <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée">Visite fortuitement prolongée</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-06-17T19:41:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-06-05T22:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:41, 17 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner"><bdi>Joshbaumgartner</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée"><bdi>Visite fortuitement prolongée</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1956" title="Property:P1956">takeoff and landing capability (P1956)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-20T17:42:00.000Z-takeoff_and_landing_capability" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 20 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="source_excludes_qualifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-source_excludes_qualifier-2015-05-27T02:29:00.000Z">source excludes qualifier</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>qualifier which this is not a source for</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-property" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Property</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>property used as a qualifier in the source's associated statement</td></tr><tr><th>Example 1</th><td>MISSING</td></tr><tr><th>Example 2</th><td>MISSING</td></tr><tr><th>Example 3</th><td>MISSING</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Certain statements have multiple sources, some of which may not actually be sources for all elements of the statement. For example, a statement might have a start date listed, but one of the sources is only about the main statement, and does not include anything about the start date. Such a source could have "source excludes qualifier: <a href="/wiki/Property:P580" title="Property:P580">start time (P580)</a>". --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Yair_rand-2015-05-27T02:29:00.000Z-source_excludes_qualifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:29, 27 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li>Can't you solve that with the use of several statements using the same properties ? <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Snipre-2015-05-27T08:51:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-05-27T02:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:51, 27 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>That would make two statements … I'm not sure that's what we want unless there is a contradiction beetween the sources.</dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Question @<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand"><bdi>Yair rand</bdi></a>: I'm not a big fan of the idea … Why not use <a href="/wiki/Property:P518" title="Property:P518">applies to part, aspect, or form (P518)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P518&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> for the statement who owns the date ? Seems simpler overall. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-05-27T14:19:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-05-27T02:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:19, 27 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li>No response, marking as <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-13T22:10:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-05-27T02:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:10, 13 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BerlPap" data-mw-thread-id="h-BerlPap-2015-05-27T13:39:00.000Z">BerlPap</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1948" title="Property:P1948">BerlPap ID</a> (P1948) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1948" title="Property talk:P1948">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td>papyri, ostraca, parchment</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>yes</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> BerlPap is short for Berliner Papyrusdatenbank ('Berlin Papyri Database', though the translation is not officially used), a project by the Egyptian Museum and Papyrus Collection in Berlin. They have descriptions and scans of huge parts of their papyri, ostraca, and parchment collection. Many of these documents are important enough to deserve their own Wikipedia article (see example above). It would be a good idea to link the numbers from the database with a specific Property as a reference. <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User:Jonathan Groß">Jonathan Groß</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User talk:Jonathan Groß">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jonathan_Groß-2015-05-27T13:39:00.000Z-BerlPap" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:39, 27 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support but the datatype should be 'string' since (subtracting one number from another has no meaning so they are identifiers not quantities). <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-06-03T08:10:00.000Z-Jonathan_Groß-2015-05-27T13:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:10, 3 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Alright, changed it accordingly. <a href="/wiki/User:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User:Jonathan Groß">Jonathan Groß</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonathan_Gro%C3%9F" title="User talk:Jonathan Groß">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jonathan_Groß-2015-06-03T17:43:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-06-03T08:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li> <li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-13T22:24:00.000Z-Jonathan_Groß-2015-05-27T13:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 13 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="corpusdelaparole_language_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-corpusdelaparole_language_ID-2015-04-19T15:28:00.000Z">corpusdelaparole language ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier of a language at the corpusdelaparole web site</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q17376908" title="Q17376908">languoid (Q17376908)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>number</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q36837" title="Q36837">West Uvean (Q36837)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://corpusdelaparole.huma-num.fr/spip.php?article97">97</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://corpusdelaparole.huma-num.fr/spip.php?rubrique1">http://corpusdelaparole.huma-num.fr/spip.php?rubrique1</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://corpusdelaparole.huma-num.fr/spip.php?article$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Motivation The web site corpusdelaparole publish some dozens pages about languages. Include several audio records. This property could be usefull. Or not. <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée">Visite fortuitement prolongée</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-04-19T15:28:00.000Z-corpusdelaparole_language_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 19 April 2015 (UTC)</a> Proposé par: <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée">Visite fortuitement prolongée</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée">talk</a>) <dl><dd>You're not really sounding convincing. Do you intend to use this property in a project? --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-04-26T19:21:00.000Z-corpusdelaparole_language_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 26 April 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>No. <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée">Visite fortuitement prolongée</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-04-26T19:36:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-04-26T19:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 26 April 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done, there is no point in having a property if nobody is going to do something with it. <a href="/wiki/User:Sjoerddebruin" title="User:Sjoerddebruin">Sjoerd de Bruin</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sjoerddebruin" title="User talk:Sjoerddebruin">(talk)</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sjoerddebruin-2015-06-23T07:29:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-04-26T19:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:29, 23 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Dyntaxa_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dyntaxa_ID-2015-01-28T15:38:00.000Z">Dyntaxa ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1939" title="Property:P1939">Dyntaxa ID</a> (P1939) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1939" title="Property talk:P1939">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Taxa</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>number</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Probably</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> (Add your motivation for this property here.) <a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-GZWDer-2015-01-28T15:38:00.000Z-Dyntaxa_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 28 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Could you give more detail? I looked at this site, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.slu.se/sv/centrumbildningar-och-projekt/artdatabanken/">http://www.slu.se/sv/centrumbildningar-och-projekt/artdatabanken/</a>, but a quick look leaves me mystified. A look at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.dyntaxa.se/taxon/info/2000976">https://www.dyntaxa.se/taxon/info/2000976</a> shows only a barebones skeleton. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-01-28T17:40:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-28T15:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 28 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a>: Any remarks? --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Succu-2015-02-10T22:07:00.000Z-Brya-2015-01-28T17:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:07, 10 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>See <a href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mall:Dyntaxa" class="extiw" title="sv:Mall:Dyntaxa">sv:Mall:Dyntaxa</a>, but it is used in few pages.--<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-GZWDer-2015-02-11T01:05:00.000Z-Succu-2015-02-10T22:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:05, 11 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I am dubious as 1) this does not appear to have original information, but is just a gathering of material from elsewhere and 2) this is a local database (this is also the case for the two proposals below), so this would start a trend to have a database for every country (and there are many countries). - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-02-11T05:00:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-02-11T01:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:00, 11 February 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support I am still less than enthusiastic, but it is better than GBIF and the like, so it would not hurt. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-06-03T05:23:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-28T15:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:23, 3 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>OK, let's do it. Dyntaxa is used by GBIF, WoRMS has links. I'm prepared to add these IDs. <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Succu-2015-06-08T09:51:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-28T15:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:51, 8 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>@<a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer"><bdi>GZWDer</bdi></a>: Please provdie an English-language descritpion. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-11T09:15:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-28T15:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I used google translate. <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-11T14:43:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-11T09:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:43, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li> <li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-11T20:05:00.000Z-GZWDer-2015-01-28T15:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:05, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="type_is_held_by" data-mw-thread-id="h-type_is_held_by-2015-02-22T16:24:00.000Z">type is held by</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The institution or collection which houses the type specimen/illustration of a scientific name (of a taxon)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>n/a</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>taxon names</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q19346236" title="Q19346236">Ichthyosaurus anningae (Q19346236)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q5295507" title="Q5295507">Danum Gallery, Library and Museum (Q5295507)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>scientific literature/databases (etc)</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-02-22T16:24:00.000Z-type_is_held_by" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 22 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Why restrict to <a href="/wiki/Q1061403" title="Q1061403">holotype (Q1061403)</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Succu-2015-02-22T16:45:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-02-22T16:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 22 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Yes, that is a good question: the normal thing would be "type" (nomenclatural type). BTW: why in French? Why disregard databases? Perhaps we should do "type locality" first, as there are quite a few Wikipedia pages already reporting that. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-02-22T17:28:00.000Z-Succu-2015-02-22T16:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 22 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>"French"? "disregard databases"? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-02-22T21:01:00.000Z-Brya-2015-02-22T17:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 22 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Well, "taxons" is French for "taxa". And I imagine there are more sources for this information, in particular databases. And I don't see a reason for separate properties, or qualifiers, for the several kinds of types. There (usually) is only one type, and it is in only one place, and to that location it is irrelevant what the nature of the type is. It would make more sense to have a property "nomenclatural type" referring to a type specimen (or illustration) and attach a qualifier to that, to indicate the nature of the type.</dd> <dd> But location of the type is pretty far down the list of properties I would want. I would rather have a property indicating the gender of a generic name, or indicating if a specific name/epithet is a noun or adjective. Type locality looks more desirable as well. Or, if there is interest in types, a direct link to a picture of the type (there are tens of thousands of these available). - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-02-23T05:40:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-02-22T21:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:40, 23 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>You are of course welcome to propose any additional properties you see fit; we're hardly likely to run out of space for them. The term "Taxons" is in the pro-forma proposal template; I'm not aware that the source parameter is required to be exhaustive. I wonder how you would distinguish <a href="/wiki/Q926578" title="Q926578">paratype (Q926578)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q719822" title="Q719822">syntype (Q719822)</a>, and allotypes, from holotypes? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-02-23T12:39:00.000Z-Brya-2015-02-23T05:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:39, 23 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Paratypes, syntypes and allotypes are not really an issue: they are not types, but terms having "type" in the term indicating them (there are a lot such terms). Actually, syntypes are odd, they are not types under the ICNafp, but they are (more or less) under the ICZN. However, the moment a serious taxonomist looks at them they stop being types. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-02-23T17:25:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-02-23T12:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 23 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I'm not averse to having a single "type specimen" (or whatever it might be called) property, if that's what "serous taxonomists" advise. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-02-23T21:09:00.000Z-Brya-2015-02-23T17:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 23 February 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>We could have another property for other type(s) or have one and add a qualifier, I suppose. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-02-22T21:01:00.000Z-Succu-2015-02-22T16:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 22 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Neutral: I suppose it would not hurt to have this, but I don't see it has any priority. If we would have links to type specimens, this would become mostly superfluous. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-02-24T06:00:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-02-22T21:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:00, 24 February 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> type is held by is superfluous. We can model this allready: <ol><li>Create a new item, name it DONMG:1983.98,</li> <li>add <a href="/wiki/Property:P195" title="Property:P195">collection (P195)</a> = <a href="/wiki/Q5295507" title="Q5295507">Danum Gallery, Library and Museum (Q5295507)</a>,</li> <li>add <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> = <a href="/wiki/Q3546082" title="Q3546082">list of taxonomic terms that include "type" (Q3546082)</a>,</li> <li>add <a href="/wiki/Property:P427" title="Property:P427">taxonomic type (P427)</a> = DONMG:1983.98 to the taxon item.</li></ol> What we need is a property for the type status. And we need a clear understandung how to model a Specimen or Taxon Occurrence. The new created item DONMG:1983.98 could have a bunch of other usefull information eg: <ul><li>catalog number</li> <li>collector</li> <li>collecting date</li> <li>geolocation</li> <li>type for taxonname</li> <li>sex</li> <li>...</li></ul> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Succu-2015-02-24T12:26:00.000Z-type_is_held_by" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:26, 24 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I assume the <a href="/wiki/Property:P427" title="Property:P427">taxonomic type (P427)</a> = DONMG:1983.98 and perhaps the <a href="/wiki/Property:P195" title="Property:P195">collection (P195)</a> = <a href="/wiki/Q5295507" title="Q5295507">Danum Gallery, Library and Museum (Q5295507)</a> (a qualifier?) would be added to the taxon item.</dd> <dd> Well yes, I suppose this is possible. It would also be possible to give every specimen ever collected its own item. Given that we have some 1.9 million taxon names we could have some 1.8 million items for type specimens/illustrations. However, it looks like an immense amount of effort for only a small gain in the amount of information. Who would really want to know this? There has been only a small start in eliminating completely fictitious taxa, so data quality is far from guaranteed in what data now is present. And I imagine there are other properties to add that would be more interesting to the user of data. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-02-24T17:31:00.000Z-Succu-2015-02-24T12:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 24 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>We have a little bit more than 500 usages of <a href="/wiki/Property:P427" title="Property:P427">taxonomic type (P427)</a>. I do not expect a great incease using type speciemens in the near future. But we have <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Type_specimens" class="extiw" title="c:Category:Type specimens">c:Category:Type specimens</a> too. So if someone is interested s/he could work on these. If <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> agrees I would remodel this proposal into one for type status. --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Succu-2015-02-24T18:34:00.000Z-Brya-2015-02-24T17:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 24 February 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>BTW: <a href="/wiki/Q234110" title="Q234110">Europeana (Q234110)</a> has more than <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.europeana.eu/portal/search.html?query=what%3Atype+specimen&rows=24&qf=TYPE%3AIMAGE&qt=false">75,000 images of type specimens</a>. We can link to them via <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P727&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P727 (page does not exist)">P727 (P727)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Succu-2015-02-24T18:56:00.000Z-Brya-2015-02-24T17:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 24 February 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Five hundred usages of <a href="/wiki/Property:P427" title="Property:P427">taxonomic type (P427)</a> is indeed very little, especially given how commonly this is included on Wikipedia's. What do you mean by "type status"? The link to <a href="/wiki/Q234110" title="Q234110">Europeana (Q234110)</a> does not lead to type specimens (there are four specimens of Schotia africana on the first page). Typing in "holotype" gives 16 results. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-02-24T19:39:00.000Z-Succu-2015-02-24T12:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:39, 24 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>type status - or however we name that property - should provide the „type of the type” eg <a href="/wiki/Q1061403" title="Q1061403">holotype (Q1061403)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q2439719" title="Q2439719">lectotype (Q2439719)</a>... --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Succu-2015-02-24T21:06:00.000Z-Brya-2015-02-24T19:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 24 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Oh yes, that. As pointed out above we will indeed need that, as a qualifier, once we have some kind of property/structure to handle type specimens. Something like "nature of type" ("kind of type"?) looks better to me; they have the status of "name-bearing type" or "nomenclature type". - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-02-25T05:55:00.000Z-Succu-2015-02-24T21:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:55, 25 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I gave it a second thought and came to the conclusion that we don't need a new property. Have a look at the value of <a href="/wiki/Property:P427" title="Property:P427">taxonomic type (P427)</a> in <a href="/wiki/Q19346236" title="Q19346236">Ichthyosaurus anningae (Q19346236)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q337692" title="Q337692">Acanthocalycium ferrarii (Q337692)</a> (holotypes) and <a href="/wiki/Q1055079" title="Q1055079">Cereus hexagonus (Q1055079)</a> (an illustration as lectotype). <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> should do the job. --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Succu-2015-02-25T15:03:00.000Z-Brya-2015-02-25T05:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:03, 25 February 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>That would work, in principle. It will then be convenient to have an "is the type of" property. -<a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-02-25T18:40:00.000Z-Succu-2015-02-24T21:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 25 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Yep. That's the one we need. --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Succu-2015-02-25T18:43:00.000Z-Brya-2015-02-25T18:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 25 February 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>However, misuse seems likely. It would be appropriate for a type specimen to have "is the type of" and for an animal it would be appropriate for a type species to have "is the type of", but for a plant species it would not be appropriate to have "is the type of". - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-02-25T18:58:00.000Z-Brya-2015-02-24T19:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:58, 25 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Sry, but I do not catch your point. A type specimen acting as a nomenclature type should be linked to the taxon item. Otherwise it might be got lost. --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Succu-2015-02-25T19:45:00.000Z-Brya-2015-02-25T18:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>There is a big difference between the ICZN and the ICNafp: Under the ICZN the type of a family is a type genus, under the ICNafp the type of a family is a specimen (or illustration), and it may be indicated by referring to a type genus (the "type genus" is only an indication, not a type). Thus, there is an asymmetrical relationship (even under the ICZN there is a degree of asymmetry: a single type genus can be the type for a tribe, a subfamily, a family, a superfamily, etc) . - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-02-26T06:54:00.000Z-Succu-2015-02-24T12:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:54, 26 February 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> We found a better solution (see above discussion): <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Succu-2015-02-26T15:28:00.000Z-type_is_held_by" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 26 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose per <a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-06-03T08:41:00.000Z-Succu-2015-02-26T15:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:41, 3 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>Marking <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-11T15:04:00.000Z-Succu-2015-02-26T15:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="conifers.org_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-conifers.org_ID-2015-05-05T11:12:00.000Z">conifers.org ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1940" title="Property:P1940">conifers.org ID</a> (P1940) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1940" title="Property talk:P1940">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>string that identifies a page in the conifers.org website</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q133712" title="Q133712">Gymnospermae</a> (Q133712)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>taxon names</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">user:Brya</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> useful website, not top quality (and with incomplete coverage), but still with a lot of useful information. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-05-05T11:12:00.000Z-conifers.org_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:12, 5 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Not very complete, but why not. <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Succu-2015-05-09T15:11:00.000Z-Brya-2015-05-05T11:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 9 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>I think we should perhaps be string stings like "Austrotaxus", not "ta/Austrotaxus". <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-05-10T10:21:00.000Z-Brya-2015-05-05T11:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:21, 10 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Maybe such strings would be better, but this is a suggestion that should be made to the owner of the conifers.org website. He is not using them now, and without them we cannot make a link. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-05-22T11:06:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-05-10T10:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:06, 22 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-MSGJ-2015-06-11T20:32:00.000Z-Brya-2015-05-05T11:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:32, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="PGCH_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-PGCH_ID-2015-06-01T18:42:00.000Z">PGCH ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1931" title="Property:P1931">NIOSH Pocket Guide ID</a> (P1931) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1931" title="Property talk:P1931">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier for a chemical in the NIOSH Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q79529" title="Q79529">chemical substance (Q79529)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>4-digit identifier</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg">http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt><div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:Saehrimnir" title="User:Saehrimnir">Saehrimnir</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Leyo" title="User:Leyo">Leyo</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Dcirovic" title="User:Dcirovic">Dcirovic</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Walkerma" title="User:Walkerma">Walkerma</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Egon_Willighagen" title="User:Egon Willighagen">Egon Willighagen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:DeSl" title="User:DeSl">Denise Slenter</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Kopiersperre" title="User:Kopiersperre">Kopiersperre</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Emily_Temple-Wood_(NIOSH)" title="User:Emily Temple-Wood (NIOSH)">Emily Temple-Wood</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pablo_Busatto" title="User:Pablo Busatto">Pablo Busatto (Almondega)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ChemConnector" title="User:ChemConnector">Antony Williams (EPA)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Wostr" title="User:Wostr">Wostr</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Devon_Fyson" title="User:Devon Fyson">Devon Fyson</a> <a href="/wiki/User:DePiep" title="User:DePiep">User:DePiep</a> <a href="/wiki/User:DavRosen" title="User:DavRosen">User:DavRosen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Benjaminabel" title="User:Benjaminabel">Benjaminabel</a> <a href="/wiki/User:99of9" title="User:99of9">99of9</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Kubaello" title="User:Kubaello">Kubaello</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Fractaler" title="User:Fractaler">Fractaler</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Sebotic" title="User:Sebotic">Sebotic</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Netha_Hussain" title="User:Netha Hussain">Netha</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Hugo" title="User:Hugo">Hugo</a> <a href="/wiki/User:S9a8m" title="User:S9a8m">Samuel Clark</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Tris_T7" title="User:Tris T7">Tris T7</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Leiem" title="User:Leiem">Leiem</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Christianhauck" title="User:Christianhauck">Christianhauck</a> <a href="/wiki/User:SCIdude" title="User:SCIdude">SCIdude</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Binter" title="User:Binter">Binter</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Photocyte" title="User:Photocyte">Photocyte</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Rgiessmann" title="User:Rgiessmann">Robert Giessmann</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Wiljes" title="User:Wiljes">Cord Wiljes</a> <a href="/wiki/User:AdrianoRutz" title="User:AdrianoRutz">Adriano Rutz</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Bjonnh" title="User:Bjonnh">Jonathan Bisson</a> <a href="/wiki/User:GrndStt" title="User:GrndStt">GrndStt</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ameisenigel" title="User:Ameisenigel">Ameisenigel</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Cthoyt" title="User:Cthoyt">Charles Tapley Hoyt</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ChemHobby" title="User:ChemHobby">ChemHobby</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Petermr" title="User:Petermr">Peter Murray-Rust</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Erfurth" title="User:Erfurth">Erfurth</a> <a href="/wiki/User:TiagoLubiana" title="User:TiagoLubiana">TiagoLubiana</a> <a href="/wiki/User:NadirSH" title="User:NadirSH">NadirSH</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Matthias_M." title="User:Matthias M.">Matthias M.</a> <a href="/wiki/User:S8321414" title="User:S8321414">S8321414</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_F._Patel-Schneider" title="User:Peter F. Patel-Schneider">Peter F. Patel-Schneider</a> </div><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Chemistry/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Chemistry/Participants">participants of WikiProject Chemistry</a>, Motivation</dt></dl> This is a widely used identifier for hazardous chemicals in the United States. <a href="/wiki/User:Emily_Temple-Wood_(NIOSH)" title="User:Emily Temple-Wood (NIOSH)">Emily Temple-Wood (NIOSH)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emily_Temple-Wood_(NIOSH)" title="User talk:Emily Temple-Wood (NIOSH)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Emily_Temple-Wood_(NIOSH)-2015-06-01T18:42:00.000Z-PGCH_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 1 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Quite important ID but the main use seems to be a reference for exposure and safety data. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Snipre-2015-06-02T09:55:00.000Z-Emily_Temple-Wood_(NIOSH)-2015-06-01T18:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:55, 2 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-06-03T08:43:00.000Z-Emily_Temple-Wood_(NIOSH)-2015-06-01T18:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Emily_Temple-Wood_(NIOSH)" title="User:Emily Temple-Wood (NIOSH)"><bdi>Emily Temple-Wood (NIOSH)</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1931" title="Property:P1931">NIOSH Pocket Guide ID (P1931)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-10T07:58:00.000Z-PGCH_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:58, 10 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Foursquare_venue_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Foursquare_venue_ID-2015-03-06T16:24:00.000Z">Foursquare venue ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1968" title="Property:P1968">Foursquare City Guide venue ID</a> (P1968) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1968" title="Property talk:P1968">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q618123" title="Q618123">geographical feature (Q618123)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>[0-9a-f]+</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Externe Referenzen</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Ja</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td>J2hcom</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Motivation. One important aspect of open data is building up a net of relations. So this should be able for foursquare (and more) too like it already is for e.g. open street map, wikipedia, freebase <ul><li>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:J2hcom&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:J2hcom (page does not exist)"><bdi>J2hcom</bdi></a>: Please provide an example that shows the relation between a Q item on Wikidata and a value on Foursquare. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-03-06T16:24:00.000Z-Foursquare_venue_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 6 March 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose use <a href="/wiki/Property:P553" title="Property:P553">website account on (P553)</a>=<a href="/wiki/Q51709" title="Q51709">Foursquare Labs, Inc. (Q51709)</a> with qualifier <a href="/wiki/Property:P554" title="Property:P554">website username or ID (P554)</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-20T23:11:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-03-06T16:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 20 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>: I think that would be wrong. Foursquare has user accounts which have foursquare.com/user/ URLs. The request here is for places/venues. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Nikki-2015-06-26T14:37:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-05-20T23:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/15px-GA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/23px-GA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/30px-GA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="183" data-file-height="196"/> Weak support I probably won't use it myself, but I think the proposal seems sensible enough. I've also cleaned up the proposal a bit. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Nikki-2015-06-26T14:37:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-03-06T16:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:J2hcom&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:J2hcom (page does not exist)"><bdi>J2hcom</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki"><bdi>Nikki</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1968" title="Property:P1968">Foursquare City Guide venue ID (P1968)</a>. Per the example given, "53222db9498e16f1562c5969" is clearly not an account operated by <a href="/wiki/Q15923993" title="Q15923993">Schlatkow (Q15923993)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-26T15:23:00.000Z-Foursquare_venue_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discogs_artist_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discogs_artist_ID-2015-06-11T23:45:00.000Z">Discogs artist ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1953" title="Property:P1953">Discogs artist ID</a> (P1953) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1953" title="Property talk:P1953">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier for a band or person, in the Discogs database</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Musical performers; support personal (producers, etc)</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>possible</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Significant source of data. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-11T23:45:00.000Z-Discogs_artist_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:45, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1953" title="Property:P1953">Discogs artist ID (P1953)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-20T15:49:00.000Z-Discogs_artist_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 20 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discogs_master_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discogs_master_ID-2015-06-12T00:01:00.000Z">Discogs master ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1954" title="Property:P1954">Discogs master ID</a> (P1954) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1954" title="Property talk:P1954">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><code class="nowrap" style="">|master=</code> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Discogs_master" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Discogs master">en:Template:Discogs master</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Musical & other recorded works</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Significant source of data. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-12T00:01:00.000Z-Discogs_master_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1954" title="Property:P1954">Discogs master ID (P1954)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-20T15:54:00.000Z-Discogs_master_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 20 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discogs_label_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discogs_label_ID-2015-06-12T00:13:00.000Z">Discogs label ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1955" title="Property:P1955">Discogs label ID</a> (P1955) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1955" title="Property talk:P1955">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><code class="nowrap" style="">|label=</code> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Discogs_label" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Discogs label">en:Template:Discogs label</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Record labels</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Significant source of data. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-12T00:13:00.000Z-Discogs_label_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:13, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1955" title="Property:P1955">Discogs label ID (P1955)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-20T15:59:00.000Z-Discogs_label_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 20 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Dizionario_Biografico_degli_Italiani_(DBI)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dizionario_Biografico_degli_Italiani_(DBI)-2015-07-04T22:21:00.000Z">Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani (DBI)</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1986" title="Property:P1986">Treccani's Biographical Dictionary of Italian People ID</a> (P1986) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1986" title="Property talk:P1986">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier/URL portion for the DBI website item on this subject.</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1128537" title="Q1128537">Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani</a> (Q1128537)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"nomeurl" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/it:Template:DBI" class="extiw" title="w:it:Template:DBI">w:it:Template:DBI</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>persons</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>quite varied, e.g. "emilio-lavagnino" and "domenico-capranica_res-de199340-87e9-11dc-8e9d-0016357eee51"</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q323281" title="Q323281">Guarino Guarini (Q323281)</a> → "guarino-guarini"</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Mostly matching at <a class="external autonumber" href="http://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/?mode=catalog_details&catalog=55">[3]</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/$1_(Dizionario_Biografico)/</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>For now only manual matching at mix'n'match and automatic import planned; may experience imports from it.wiki.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Main authoritative biographical source of Italy, used on thousands of biographies of the "most important people" of Italian history. Useful for the biographical template used on it.wiki as well as for matching with authority files, as being done on mix'n'match. Can be used as identifier for a subject as well as a reference for other statements. <a href="/wiki/User:Federico_Leva_(BEIC)" title="User:Federico Leva (BEIC)">Federico Leva (BEIC)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Federico_Leva_(BEIC)" title="User talk:Federico Leva (BEIC)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Federico_Leva_(BEIC)-2015-07-04T22:21:00.000Z-Dizionario_Biografico_degli_Italiani_(DBI)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:21, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Viscontino&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Viscontino (page does not exist)">Viscontino</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Viscontino" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Viscontino">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Viscontino-2015-07-08T08:15:00.000Z-Dizionario_Biografico_degli_Italiani_(DBI)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:15, 8 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="species_kept" data-mw-thread-id="h-species_kept-2015-07-03T22:33:00.000Z">species kept</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1990" title="Property:P1990">species kept</a> (P1990) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1990" title="Property talk:P1990">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>species or taxa present at a zoo or other place, NOT specific animals.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>zoos, aquaria, botanical gardens, botanical collections, etc.</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>any <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/species" class="extiw" title="en:species">species</a> or other taxons</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1850938" title="Q1850938">North Carolina Zoo (Q1850938)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q33609" title="Q33609">polar bear (Q33609)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q3074266" title="Q3074266">Florida Aquarium (Q3074266)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q1274522" title="Q1274522">pelagic thresher (Q1274522)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q2859716" title="Q2859716">Arboretum de la Vallée-aux-Loups (Q2859716)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q149851" title="Q149851">Sequoiadendron giganteum (Q149851)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Most zoos have a species list on their websites.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Useful for queries if you'd like to see which/how many zoos have a certain species of animal in their possession. --<a href="/wiki/User:AmaryllisGardener" title="User:AmaryllisGardener">AmaryllisGardener</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmaryllisGardener" title="User talk:AmaryllisGardener">talk</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-AmaryllisGardener-2015-07-03T22:33:00.000Z-species_kept" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 3 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support good idea. Maybe I'll find a label that convinces me more. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-07-04T11:03:00.000Z-AmaryllisGardener-2015-07-03T22:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:03, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Maybe just "animal species in this zoo" will do? --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-07-04T15:42:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-07-04T11:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>IDK, other possibilities: "species housed", "animal species housed", "resident animal species"... they're endless. --<a href="/wiki/User:AmaryllisGardener" title="User:AmaryllisGardener">AmaryllisGardener</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmaryllisGardener" title="User talk:AmaryllisGardener">talk</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-AmaryllisGardener-2015-07-04T18:34:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-07-04T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:34, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/User:AmaryllisGardener" title="User:AmaryllisGardener">AmaryllisGardener</a>: How about "species kept": using "species" makes it clear that it shouldn't list individual animals even though technically it might not be <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/species" class="extiw" title="en:species">en:species</a>, using "kept" to avoid that it gets applied to geographic locations or other non-controlled environments, and skipping "zoo" or "animals" so that it can be applied to aquaria, botanical gardens or other botanical collections. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-07-10T08:54:00.000Z-AmaryllisGardener-2015-07-04T18:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:54, 10 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Sounds good. <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Changed --<a href="/wiki/User:AmaryllisGardener" title="User:AmaryllisGardener">AmaryllisGardener</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:AmaryllisGardener" title="User talk:AmaryllisGardener">talk</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-AmaryllisGardener-2015-07-10T15:38:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-07-10T08:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 10 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Thanks. I adjusted the domain as well. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> 06:47, 11 July 2015 (UTC), +added a non-animal sample. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-07-11T06:47:00.000Z-AmaryllisGardener-2015-07-10T15:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 11 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>A rename to "species present" and a tweak to the description would allow use for plants, in arboretums, botanic gardens, etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-10T17:34:00.000Z-AmaryllisGardener-2015-07-03T22:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I'd rather not, as "present" would work with any geographic location. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-07-11T06:47:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-10T17:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:47, 11 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support seem a good idea. --<a href="/wiki/User:Fralambert" title="User:Fralambert">Fralambert</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fralambert" title="User talk:Fralambert">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Fralambert-2015-07-11T20:07:00.000Z-AmaryllisGardener-2015-07-03T22:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 11 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2015-07-12T09:18:00.000Z-AmaryllisGardener-2015-07-03T22:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:18, 12 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="LPSN_URL" data-mw-thread-id="h-LPSN_URL-2015-07-07T15:33:00.000Z">LPSN URL</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1991" title="Property:P1991">LPSN URL</a> (P1991) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1991" title="Property talk:P1991">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>URL for the website LPSN (<a href="/wiki/Q6595107" title="Q6595107">LPSN (Q6595107)</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q6595107" title="Q6595107">LPSN</a> (Q6595107)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#url" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">URL</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q14397136" title="Q14397136">Template:Lpsn (Q14397136)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q19081" title="Q19081">prokaryotes (Q19081)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q15732012" title="Q15732012">Chloroflexia (Q15732012)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.bacterio.net/chloroflexia.html">http://www.bacterio.net/chloroflexia.html</a> <a href="/wiki/Q2264864" title="Q2264864">Salmonella enterica (Q2264864)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.bacterio.net/salmonella.html#enterica">http://www.bacterio.net/salmonella.html#enterica</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.bacterio.net/">LPSN</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Usefull for linking to the descriptions of prokaryotes and validating <a href="/wiki/Property:P225" title="Property:P225">taxon name (P225)</a>. For more read the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.bacterio.net/-introduction.html">introduction</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Succu-2015-07-07T15:33:00.000Z-LPSN_URL" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 7 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/15px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/23px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/30px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="20" data-file-height="20"/> <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Taxonomy/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Taxonomy/Participants">WikiProject Taxonomy</a> has more than 50 participants and <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200350" class="extiw" title="phab:T200350">couldn't be pinged</a>. Please post on <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Taxonomy" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Taxonomy">the WikiProject's talk page</a> instead. <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-07-07T16:49:00.000Z-Succu-2015-07-07T15:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2015-07-09T08:18:00.000Z-Succu-2015-07-07T15:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:18, 9 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Makes sense to me. --<a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User talk:Daniel Mietchen">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Daniel_Mietchen-2015-07-09T22:48:00.000Z-Succu-2015-07-07T15:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 9 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2015-07-12T09:29:00.000Z-Succu-2015-07-07T15:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:29, 12 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Plazi_taxon_treatment_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Plazi_taxon_treatment_ID-2015-07-08T23:57:00.000Z">Plazi taxon treatment ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1992" title="Property:P1992">Plazi ID</a> (P1992) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1992" title="Property talk:P1992">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>UUID for a taxon treatment at <a href="/wiki/Q7203726" title="Q7203726">Plazi (Q7203726)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q20644485" title="Q20644485">Plazi taxon treatment ID</a> (Q20644485)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>none</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>taxa</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>UUID</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q3687836" title="Q3687836">Anochetus grandidieri (Q3687836)</a> → 31F96F41-E3E0-02BD-8898-5A4F3A20E45A, which would link to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://treatment.plazi.org/id/31F96F41-E3E0-02BD-8898-5A4F3A20E45A">http://treatment.plazi.org/id/31F96F41-E3E0-02BD-8898-5A4F3A20E45A</a></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>a UUID as defined in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_unique_identifier#Definition" class="extiw" title="w:Universally unique identifier">UUID</a>; no additional characters are allowed.</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://plazi.org">http://plazi.org</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://treatment.plazi.org/id/$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Suitable for maintenance by a bot.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> A taxon treatment is the formally published scientific description for a specific taxonomic name, e.g. a Latin binomen for a species. They can be very rich in terms of data included, from morphological descriptions to comments on distributions to lists of observation records. Increasingly, links are provided that connect statements made in the treatments to external resources, such as DNA sequences, images, etc. In other words, at the time of publication, a treatment is the most authoritative opinion about a particular taxon (species, genus, etc.). Currently, there are 70,000 treatments available on Plazi, with plans to extend that to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.slideshare.net/agosti/plazi-or-the-challenge-to-free-biodiversity-data-caught-in-hundreds-of-millions-of-pages-of-over-250-years-of-scientific-publications/22">1 Million treatments</a> within the next couple of years (as per <a href="/wiki/Q20650433" title="Q20650433">Taxonomic information exchange and copyright: the Plazi approach (Q20650433)</a>, treatments are considered data and thus do not qualify as work in a legal sense and are thus not copyrighted). Providing items about taxa with statements pointing to the relevant treatments on Plazi would help coordinate taxonomic and nomenclatural information. --<a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User talk:Daniel Mietchen">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Daniel_Mietchen-2015-07-08T23:57:00.000Z-Plazi_taxon_treatment_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:57, 8 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/15px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/23px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/30px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="20" data-file-height="20"/> <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Taxonomy/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Taxonomy/Participants">WikiProject Taxonomy</a> has more than 50 participants and <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200350" class="extiw" title="phab:T200350">couldn't be pinged</a>. Please post on <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Taxonomy" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Taxonomy">the WikiProject's talk page</a> instead. <dl><dd>Hmm, at first I was rather thrown by the marketing phrase "taxon treatment". As I understand it, this is a project to present data on species, data gleaned from working through taxonomic papers. It looks like there is quite a bit of useful stuff gathered here (I don't know how easily accessible this may be otherwise), so in principle I am in favour. I quite dislike the name "Plazi taxon treatment ID", and this should be changed to something more descriptive: wouldn't a simple "Plazi ID" do? - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-07-09T05:21:00.000Z-Daniel_Mietchen-2015-07-08T23:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:21, 9 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I'm fine with going for "Plazi ID" for the moment, but Plazi also has IDs for things other than treatments (namely publications, authors, and <s>taxa</s>scientific names), so something more descriptive may become necessary somewhen down the line. --<a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User talk:Daniel Mietchen">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Daniel_Mietchen-2015-07-09T22:44:00.000Z-Brya-2015-07-09T05:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:44, 9 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Perhaps "Plazi species-ID" would be accurate enough? - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-07-10T05:43:00.000Z-Daniel_Mietchen-2015-07-09T22:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:43, 10 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>PS: what do you mean by "an ID for a taxon"? - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-07-10T05:46:00.000Z-Brya-2015-07-10T05:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:46, 10 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Fixed. --<a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User talk:Daniel Mietchen">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Daniel_Mietchen-2015-07-11T00:18:00.000Z-Brya-2015-07-10T05:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 11 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd>The ID is not limited to species (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://treatment.plazi.org/id/D74C6243-FBFD-0550-E554-2F7830F9CD6A">Odontomachus</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Succu-2015-07-10T13:59:00.000Z-Brya-2015-07-10T05:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 10 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Well, that is only a key to species. It seems to me that it does not affect the question of how well the name fits. - <a href="/wiki/User:Brya" title="User:Brya">Brya</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brya" title="User talk:Brya">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Brya-2015-07-10T16:32:00.000Z-Succu-2015-07-10T13:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 10 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I think using "species" in the property name would fit most cases, but be misleading in some (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://treatment.plazi.org/id/03026CF6-3B71-94E3-C795-3075425E6ACA">example</a>). What about "Plazi treatment ID"? --<a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User talk:Daniel Mietchen">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Daniel_Mietchen-2015-07-11T00:18:00.000Z-Brya-2015-07-10T16:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 11 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support I also think "Plazi ID" fits better with our naming conventions. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2015-07-09T08:18:00.000Z-Daniel_Mietchen-2015-07-08T23:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:18, 9 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support "Plazi ID" is shorter. I think I can make use of the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://plazi.org/wiki/Treatment_Data_Access">Plazi Api</a> and extract the Ids from the DwCAs. --<a href="/wiki/User:Succu" title="User:Succu">Succu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Succu" title="User talk:Succu">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Succu-2015-07-09T19:16:00.000Z-Daniel_Mietchen-2015-07-08T23:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 9 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2015-07-12T09:37:00.000Z-Daniel_Mietchen-2015-07-08T23:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37, 12 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="TeX_string" data-mw-thread-id="h-TeX_string-2014-12-19T11:09:00.000Z">TeX string</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1993" title="Property:P1993">TeX string</a> (P1993) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1993" title="Property talk:P1993">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>the appropriate string to show a concept in Tex or Latex</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td>string (multilingual for examples?)-invalid datatype (not in <a href="/wiki/Module:I18n/datatype" title="Module:I18n/datatype">Module:i18n/datatype</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>?</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>very diverse</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>tex commands with simple example values in them</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q66055" title="Q66055">fraction (Q66055)</a> = "\frac{numerator}{denominator}", <a href="/wiki/Q185547" title="Q185547">binomial distribution (Q185547)</a> = "\binom{n}{k}", <a href="/wiki/Q134237" title="Q134237">square root (Q134237)</a> = "\sqrt[2]{x}", <a href="/wiki/Q11175" title="Q11175">circumflex (Q11175)</a> = "\^{o}"</td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>?</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>tex documentation</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>?</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td>--<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2014-12-19T11:09:00.000Z-TeX_string" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:09, 19 December 2014 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/15px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/23px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/30px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="20" data-file-height="20"/> <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Informatics/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Informatics/Participants">WikiProject Informatics</a> has more than 50 participants and <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200350" class="extiw" title="phab:T200350">couldn't be pinged</a>. Please post on <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Informatics" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Informatics">the WikiProject's talk page</a> instead. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) 11:10, 19 December 2014 (UTC) <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/15px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/23px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/30px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="20" data-file-height="20"/> <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Informatics/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Informatics/Participants">WikiProject Informatics</a> has more than 50 participants and <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200350" class="extiw" title="phab:T200350">couldn't be pinged</a>. Please post on <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Informatics" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Informatics">the WikiProject's talk page</a> instead. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2014-12-19T11:10:00.000Z-TeX_string" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 2 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose LAtex is not a standard. Why use this kind of programming language and not another one ? <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Snipre-2015-01-14T12:40:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2014-12-19T11:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 14 January 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>: I don't know if it has been standardized, but it is used were widely. And it would be a nice feature to ask Wikidata "What is the latex symbol for a vector?" and have the string returned. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2015-01-15T07:30:00.000Z-Snipre-2015-01-14T12:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:30, 15 January 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support seems useful. @<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>: latex is used in wikipedia articles for maths formula. Allow Wikidata to store tex code seems at least useful in this context. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-01-15T22:30:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2014-12-19T11:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 15 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: Wikipedia uses lua as well: do you want to create a property for the name of the lua function describing the mathematical function ? And what's about the people using python to create bots ? And for c++, matlab,...? From a specialised point of view, you can find always an application to some data. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Snipre-2015-02-21T11:16:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-01-15T22:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:16, 21 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>: I don't know, seems out of scope of this discussion. What I know it is it's pretty common to have a latex formula in infoboxes about a math concept. I really don't get your point. For the standardisation argument, there is reference statement that an acknoledge this is a common notation. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-02-21T11:30:00.000Z-Snipre-2015-02-21T11:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:30, 21 February 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Seems useful to me. --<a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User talk:Daniel Mietchen">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Daniel_Mietchen-2015-03-04T01:30:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2014-12-19T11:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 4 March 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment the parameters shouldn't be named numerator or o but some language neutral form like $1, $2. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2015-05-20T17:05:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2014-12-19T11:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 20 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support -- <a href="/wiki/User:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User:Sergey kudryavtsev">Sergey kudryavtsev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-05-26T18:19:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2014-12-19T11:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 26 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <ul><li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2015-07-12T09:48:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2014-12-19T11:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:48, 12 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Medical_specialty" data-mw-thread-id="h-Medical_specialty-2015-07-03T21:28:00.000Z">Medical specialty</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1995" title="Property:P1995">health specialty</a> (P1995) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1995" title="Property talk:P1995">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The medical specialty that is most concerned with a particular medical condition</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q930752" title="Q930752">medical specialty</a> (Q930752)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>En-wiki and fr-wiki have this (I think)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Medical conditions</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>One or more specialties</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q12192" title="Q12192">pneumonia (Q12192)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q16920362" class="mw-redirect" title="Q16920362">infectious diseases (Q16920362)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q203337" title="Q203337">pulmonology (Q203337)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q127724" title="Q127724">cataract (Q127724)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q161437" title="Q161437">ophthalmology (Q161437)</a>,</td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>Targets should be in the p279-tree of <a href="/wiki/Q930752" title="Q930752">medical specialty (Q930752)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> This property was proposed once before (<a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/16#medical_discipline_.2F_.28fr.29_sp.C3.A9cialit.C3.A9_concern.C3.A9e" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/16">Archived discussion</a>). There is some renewed interest in storing this. It is now also being used in en-wiki infoboxes: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumonia" class="extiw" title="en:Pneumonia">en:Pneumonia</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2015-07-03T21:28:00.000Z-Medical_specialty" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:28, 3 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <div style="VISIBILITY:hidden;display:none"> <a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jmh649" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jmh649">Doc James</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Bluerasberry" title="User:Bluerasberry">Bluerasberry</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Gambo7" title="User:Gambo7">Gambo7</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Andrew_Su" title="User:Andrew Su">Andrew Su</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Andrux" title="User:Andrux">Andrux</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pavel_Du%C5%A1ek" title="User:Pavel Dušek">Pavel Dušek</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Mvolz" title="User:Mvolz">Mvolz</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jtuom" title="User:Jtuom">User:Jtuom</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Cmungall" title="User:Cmungall">Chris Mungall</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ChristianKl" title="User:ChristianKl">ChristianKl</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Gstupp" title="User:Gstupp">Gstupp</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Sintakso" title="User:Sintakso">Sintakso</a> <a href="/wiki/User:%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A1" title="User:علاء">علاء</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Adert" title="User:Adert">Adert</a> <a href="/wiki/User:CFCF" title="User:CFCF">CFCF</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Jtuom" title="User:Jtuom">Jtuom</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Drchriswilliams" title="User:Drchriswilliams">Drchriswilliams</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Okkn" title="User:Okkn">Okkn</a> <a href="/wiki/User:CAPTAIN_RAJU" title="User:CAPTAIN RAJU">CAPTAIN RAJU</a> <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ozzie10aaaa" title="User:Ozzie10aaaa">Ozzie10aaaa</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Marsupium" title="User:Marsupium">Marsupium</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Netha_Hussain" title="User:Netha Hussain">Netha Hussain</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Abhijeet_Safai" title="User:Abhijeet Safai">Abhijeet Safai</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Seppi333" title="User:Seppi333">Seppi333</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Esh77" title="User:Esh77">Shani Evenstein</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Csisc" title="User:Csisc">Csisc</a> <a href="/wiki/User:TiagoLubiana" title="User:TiagoLubiana">TiagoLubiana</a> <a href="/wiki/User:ZI_Jony" title="User:ZI Jony">ZI Jony</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Antoine2711" title="User:Antoine2711">Antoine2711</a> <a href="/wiki/User:JustScienceJS" title="User:JustScienceJS">JustScienceJS</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Scossin" title="User:Scossin">Scossin</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Josegustavomartins&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Josegustavomartins (page does not exist)">Josegustavomartins</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Zeromonk" title="User:Zeromonk">Zeromonk</a> <a href="/wiki/User:The_Anome" title="User:The Anome">The Anome</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Kasyap" title="User:Kasyap">Kasyap</a> <a href="/wiki/User:JMagalh%C3%A3es" title="User:JMagalhães">JMagalhães</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ameer_Fauri" title="User:Ameer Fauri">Ameer Fauri</a> <a href="/wiki/User:CorraleH" title="User:CorraleH">CorraleH</a> </div><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Notified <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Medicine/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Medicine/Participants">participants of WikiProject Medicine</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2015-07-03T21:29:00.000Z-Medical_specialty" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:29, 3 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James"><bdi>Doc James</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kaligula&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kaligula (page does not exist)"><bdi>Kaligula</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:MarrickLip" title="User:MarrickLip"><bdi>MarrickLip</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno"><bdi>Izno</bdi></a>: Pinging participants of previous discussion. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2015-07-04T09:29:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-07-03T21:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:29, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Bluerasberry" title="User:Bluerasberry"><bdi>Bluerasberry</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Wouterstomp" title="User:Wouterstomp"><bdi>Wouterstomp</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:WhatamIdoing" title="User:WhatamIdoing"><bdi>WhatamIdoing</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>: Pinging participants of previous discussion. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2015-07-04T09:31:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-07-03T21:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:31, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support Yes excellent idea. Will allow easier organizing of content. <a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) (if I write on your page reply on mine) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Doc_James-2015-07-04T16:12:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-07-03T21:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Question There is also a study of property proposed on that page, how would that relate to this property ? I'm under the impression that infectious deseases for example are studied by the medical specialty named equally ... <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-07-04T17:22:00.000Z-Doc_James-2015-07-04T16:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:22, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Diseases are often mainly associated with one or two medical specialties. This property would be associated with diseases, symptoms, or procedures. Not sure if this is the same as what they are proposing below. This is more what specialty generally treats disease X or does procedure Y. In other words what medical field does it belong to. <a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) (if I write on your page reply on mine) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Doc_James-2015-07-04T23:21:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-07-04T17:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:21, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James"><bdi>Doc James</bdi></a>: I get that but I think it's possible to generalize such relationships to other disciplines, for example if pneumonia belongs to some medical field, fish belongs to some biology field as well. The fact that it's a medical specialties is redundant because we already know that for example pneumology is a medical specialty, and that the subject is a desease. So forgetting the medical in the property definition, I think we get something very close to study of. So by parcimony, I would be to keep only the most general one, study of ... The question left for me is why would not that work ? Plus it's useful because it cross the boundaries between medical research, which is a science, with medical care, which is the practice ... <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-07-08T15:09:00.000Z-Doc_James-2015-07-04T23:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:09, 8 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>So pneumonia would be "studied by" pulmonology? No sure how "study of" would look. This is clinical medicine which is seperate from basic research. I thus see a clearer term like "medical speciality" as useful. We plan to use this classification to organize the medical apps we are coming out with <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/App">[4]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Doc_James" title="User:Doc James">Doc James</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Doc_James" title="User talk:Doc James">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Doc_James" title="Special:Contributions/Doc James">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Doc_James" title="Special:EmailUser/Doc James">email</a>) (if I write on your page reply on mine) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Doc_James-2015-07-11T06:07:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-07-08T15:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:07, 11 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Support Medical conditions are often classified by the medical specialties which study them. Commonly one specialty oversees particular diseases, in which case this kind of classification would be easy. When more than one specialty oversees a condition still there is almost always only a few at most who might be tagged here. This is a natural way of cataloging medical conditions which matches practice and the published literature. <a href="/wiki/User:Bluerasberry" title="User:Bluerasberry"> Blue Rasberry </a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bluerasberry" title="User talk:Bluerasberry">(talk)</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Bluerasberry-2015-07-08T14:05:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-07-03T21:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:05, 8 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <ul><li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2015-07-14T11:03:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2015-07-03T21:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:03, 14 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Exif_model" data-mw-thread-id="h-Exif_model-2015-07-17T10:46:00.000Z">Exif model</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2009" title="Property:P2009">Exif model</a> (P2009) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2009" title="Property talk:P2009">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>string as it appears in the exif generated by a camera. See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchangeable_image_file_format#Example" class="extiw" title="en:Exchangeable image file format">Exif format#Example</a> or <a href="/wiki/File:Watch_tower_of_the_dam,_Embalse_de_los_Bermejales,_Andalusia,_Spain.jpg#metadata" title="File:Watch tower of the dam, Embalse de los Bermejales, Andalusia, Spain.jpg">#metadata on an image</a></td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q196465" title="Q196465">Exchangeable image file format</a> (Q196465)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>digital cameras</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>Sony Alpha 550 (<a href="/wiki/Q1041905" title="Q1041905">Q1041905</a>) → DSLR-A550</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <ul><li>Makes it easier to look-up cameras in Wikidata/Wikipedia. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-07-17T10:46:00.000Z-Exif_model" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:46, 17 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <ul><li>If used with item datatype, then <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. String is not a good solution as it requires a lot of information to actually understand the model, its variants ... author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-07-17T10:54:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-07-17T10:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:54, 17 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>In the sample, the item <a href="/wiki/Q1041905" title="Q1041905">Q1041905</a> is for the model Sony Alpha 550. The string "DSLR-A550" is to find the model. Generally, there should be just one string per model. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-07-17T11:00:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-07-17T10:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:00, 17 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support but with string datatype. The point of this proposal is that it is for making statements about cameras.Once this is done then a bit of lua magic on Commons will be able to turn an exif string into a link to the camera item on wikidata with all the info that <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> wants. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-07-21T03:29:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-07-17T10:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:29, 21 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <ul><li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2015-07-27T08:20:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-07-17T10:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:20, 27 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Exif_make" data-mw-thread-id="h-Exif_make-2015-07-17T10:46:00.000Z">Exif make</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2010" title="Property:P2010">Exif make</a> (P2010) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2010" title="Property talk:P2010">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>literal string as it appears in the exif generated by a specific digital camera model. Together with Exif model, this should identify a specific camera model. See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchangeable_image_file_format#Example" class="extiw" title="en:Exchangeable image file format">Exif format#Example</a> or <a href="/wiki/File:Watch_tower_of_the_dam,_Embalse_de_los_Bermejales,_Andalusia,_Spain.jpg#metadata" title="File:Watch tower of the dam, Embalse de los Bermejales, Andalusia, Spain.jpg">#metadata on an image</a></td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q196465" title="Q196465">Exchangeable image file format</a> (Q196465)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>digital cameras</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>Sony Alpha 550 (<a href="/wiki/Q1041905" title="Q1041905">Q1041905</a>) → SONY</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> Needed in addition to Exif model, see previous proposal. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-07-17T10:46:00.000Z-Exif_make" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:46, 17 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><stroke><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose</stroke> redundant with the manufacturer of the model of camera with item datatype. <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ EOSXXX ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P176" title="Property:P176">manufacturer (P176)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P176&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a> ⟨ Canon ⟩</div> will appear in the camera item. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-07-17T10:58:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-07-17T10:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:58, 17 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>It's to look-up a string as used on a specific model. This may or may not be the same as used in other models of the same manufacturer. It's very unlikely the label actually used by Wikidata in every language. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-07-17T11:06:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-07-17T10:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:06, 17 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: It's another reason to create an item if the string does not identify anything (more precisely if there is several ids per manufacturer). The item can be use as a database to collect all the labels used in the exif by the manufacturer. It should be added as properties as string, for example <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ Sony ⟩ exif manufacturer id <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:exif_manufacturer_id" title="Special:Search/Property:exif manufacturer id">Search</a> ⟨ Sony ⟩</div> <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ Sony ⟩ exif manufacturer id <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:exif_manufacturer_id" title="Special:Search/Property:exif manufacturer id">Search</a> ⟨ SONY (whatever) ⟩</div> ... and as aliases to ease the lookup. It's what aliases are for. (and the same holds for the models). author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-07-17T13:30:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-07-17T11:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:30, 17 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I don't think I understand your idea, but as it seems to be theoretical, I suppose it doesn't matter. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-07-17T13:42:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-07-17T13:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 17 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: What ? If I know the picture was taken by <a href="/wiki/Q66219" title="Q66219">Canon EOS 7D (Q66219)</a>, I know the manufacturer is <a href="/wiki/Q62621" title="Q62621">Canon Inc. (Q62621)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q62621&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500"/></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q62621&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48"/></a>. By arbitrary access I just can show the manufacturer if needed. Exif manufacturer string is just redundant, so we don't need it for every picture, just for the camera. It's not theorical, it's just practice, we just need a WIkidata query and a exif manufacturer id with string datatype to do the lookups with no redundancy. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-07-17T15:31:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-07-17T13:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:31, 17 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Sorry, but I don't get your usecase, but maybe if you formulate your own proposal, maybe it will be clearer. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-07-17T15:47:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-07-17T15:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 17 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I don't have a usecase, I just explain hy I'm opposing. But it seems I lost myself somewhere in the discussion and got confused, in the end I thought we were speaking on properties for images :/ . See below.</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support but with a domain digital camera manufacturer. Use the manufacturer property to find the exif string from the camera model item. author <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-07-17T16:02:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-07-17T10:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 17 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I guess we could apply it there as well, but I'd rather see which one a model uses (Is it "OLYMPUS OPTICAL CO.,LTD" or "OLYMPUS CORPORATION" or "OLYMPUS IMAGING CORP."?). Anyways, I take it that you finally support the above proposal for exif model? --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-07-18T09:30:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-07-17T16:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:30, 18 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Tobias1984-2015-07-27T08:20:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-07-17T10:46:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:20, 27 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="sort_key" data-mw-thread-id="h-sort_key-2014-10-24T12:46:00.000Z">sort key</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P1964&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P1964 (page does not exist)">no label</a> (P1964) (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P1964&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property talk:P1964 (page does not exist)">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>key indicating the order in which the item's label should be sorted</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>In <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Persondata" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Persondata">en:Template:Persondata</a>, <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Personendaten" class="extiw" title="de:Vorlage:Personendaten">de:Vorlage:Personendaten</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>all</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>strings</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q80" title="Q80">Tim Berners-Lee (Q80)</a> => Berners-Lee, Tim</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q258846" title="Q258846">Rickie Lee Jones (Q258846)</a> => Jones, Rickie Lee</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q594" title="Q594">The King of Rome (Q594)</a> => King of Rome, The</li></ul></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Persondata</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> May be used as a qualifier for <a href="/wiki/Property:P1559" title="Property:P1559">name in native language (P1559)</a>; or qualified by a language. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2014-10-24T12:46:00.000Z-sort_key" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:46, 24 October 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Question Is there an international standard how names should be sorted? As far as I know it is extremly culture-specific how names are sorted. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pasleim-2014-10-24T13:10:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2014-10-24T12:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:10, 24 October 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>No idea, but we often know it, from sources, or knowledge of our own culture. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2014-10-24T13:26:00.000Z-Pasleim-2014-10-24T13:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 24 October 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Chinese names are for sure sorted by similarity of the signs and the number of lines in the signs (quite a difiicult task to know the exact order of 2500 signs) and not like the transcriptions according to the alphabet.--<a href="/wiki/User:Giftzwerg_88" title="User:Giftzwerg 88">Giftzwerg 88</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giftzwerg_88" title="User talk:Giftzwerg 88">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Giftzwerg_88-2014-10-24T17:25:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2014-10-24T13:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 24 October 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>In Europe and America usually by last name and then first name. --<a href="/wiki/User:Crazy1880" title="User:Crazy1880">Crazy1880</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crazy1880" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Crazy1880">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Crazy1880-2014-10-24T17:27:00.000Z-Giftzwerg_88-2014-10-24T17:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 24 October 2014 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>See <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilfe:Personendaten/Name" class="extiw" title="de:Hilfe:Personendaten/Name">de:Hilfe:Personendaten/Name</a> (german Help) --<a href="/wiki/User:Crazy1880" title="User:Crazy1880">Crazy1880</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crazy1880" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Crazy1880">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Crazy1880-2014-10-24T17:29:00.000Z-Giftzwerg_88-2014-10-24T17:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 24 October 2014 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment If it's a qualifier, string datatype would probably be sufficient. Otherwise, it might need to be a monolingual string. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2014-10-24T18:59:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2014-10-24T12:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:59, 24 October 2014 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> As a librarian, I have to warn you that this is a very complex matter that can't be simply reduced to "In Europe and America usually by last name and then first name". But, rejoice: There is a standard work of reference, it's called Names of Persons and issued by the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Library_Associations_and_Institutions" class="extiw" title="en:International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions">IFLA</a>. A scanned version of the 4th edition is available as a PDF <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.ifla.org/node/4953">at the IFLA website</a>. For example, in Iceland the sort order is "First name - last name" (the last name in Iceland usually being not a family name, but a patronymic - most Icelanders don't have a family name). And there are languages such as Spanish with multi-part name where the sort order also isn't obvious. "Names of Persons" helps in these matters. <a href="/wiki/User:Gestumblindi" title="User:Gestumblindi">Gestumblindi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gestumblindi" title="User talk:Gestumblindi">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Gestumblindi-2014-10-27T23:31:00.000Z-sort_key" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 27 October 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Oh, and of course - I <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support this proposal, as a meaningful sort order is very important. <a href="/wiki/User:Gestumblindi" title="User:Gestumblindi">Gestumblindi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gestumblindi" title="User talk:Gestumblindi">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Gestumblindi-2014-10-28T00:10:00.000Z-Gestumblindi-2014-10-27T23:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:10, 28 October 2014 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Persondata DOES NOT contain sort value for names. The <code class="nowrap" style="">|name=</code> is supposed to be surname, firstname. About 20% of the cases, it is entered wrong, usually firstname, surname. DEFAULSORT contains the sort value in all Biography articles. Sort value does not equal surname, firstname in alot of cases. <dl><dd>Examples: <dl><dd>Otto von Bismark... DEFAULTSORT:Bismark, Otto persondata <code class="nowrap" style="">|name=von Bismark, Otto</code>.</dd> <dd>Francisco da Costa Gomes... DEFAULTSORT:Gomez, Francisco persondata <code class="nowrap" style="">|name=da Costa Gomes, Francisco.</code></dd></dl></dd></dl> Persondata name value contains names with ligatures, accents and other characters. Sort value is only to be the standard 26-letter English alphabet plus ".'. <dl><dd>Example: <dl><dd>Two people, one named José Márquez, the other Jose Marquez. If standard 26-letter alphabet is not used, the two names will be sorted in different spots.</dd></dl></dd></dl> DEFAULTSORT values DO FOLLOW <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.ifla.org/node/4953">IFLA</a> guidelines. See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NAMESORT" class="extiw" title="en:WP:NAMESORT">en:WP:NAMESORT</a> for rules. There are two exceptions. WikiProject Iceland has said to follow western sort order for DEFAULTSORT. WikiProject Brazil and WikiProject Football has said Brazilian footballers have defaultsort set to their nickname. I have been the maintainer of DEFAULTSORT on enwiki for several years now. If you have questions, I would be the one to ask. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bgwhite&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bgwhite (page does not exist)">Bgwhite</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bgwhite" title="User talk:Bgwhite">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Bgwhite-2014-10-28T01:11:00.000Z-sort_key" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:11, 28 October 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Yes, Persondata often contains wrong name sorting, but it does try to do name sorting - otherwise, why should the sort order in "name" be "supposed to be surname, firstname" at all? That's a way of sorting, too. I'm not that familiar with English Persondata, more with German Personendaten. Maybe there are more errors in the English variant. "von Bismarck, Otto" is wrong, it should be "Bismarck, Otto von", of course. - That said, if it turns out that the sort order in Persondata is wrong too often, maybe it would be better for Wikidata to extract it from DEFAULTSORT instead of Persondata. - There may be conflicting results when extracting from different Wikipedia language versions. For example, German Wikipedia follows the IFLA guidelines for sorting Icelandic names in DEFAULTSORT resp. (in German) SORTIERUNG (so, first name first). <a href="/wiki/User:Gestumblindi" title="User:Gestumblindi">Gestumblindi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gestumblindi" title="User talk:Gestumblindi">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Gestumblindi-2014-10-28T14:37:00.000Z-Bgwhite-2014-10-28T01:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 28 October 2014 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment as a librarian too, I can only agree to the need for a sorting value... at least for Person's names... <dl><dd>but I see problems, even between latin-language names... <ul><li>the sorting habits are not the same in all countries, even in countries using the same language ; therefore, different sorting values should be made for different languages...</li> <li>and this will be even more complicated for russian/chinese/etc. languages... Translitteration makes it very difficult to sort names... just have a look at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://viaf.org/viaf/95216565/#Chekhov,_Anton_Pavlovich,_1860-1904">Tchekov's name</a> :S - and this is for a "modern" person... imagine for medieval names which could be written differently by the same person :/ - and of course, it works backwards, for our "simple" latin names, when translitterated in... just how many non-latin languages are there in wikidata ? --<a href="/wiki/User:Hsarrazin" title="User:Hsarrazin">Hsarrazin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hsarrazin" title="User talk:Hsarrazin">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Hsarrazin-2014-10-28T15:49:00.000Z-sort_key" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 28 October 2014 (UTC)</a></li></ul></dd> <dd>how could this be solved in wikidata... ? probably, it would be best to have each part of the name in a separate property, and then let each project assemble them to have a sortkey... <dl><dd>Sounds reasonable (though a bit complicated). A sort key may also be valuable for other names than names of persons - e.g. work titles - you don't want to sort all book titles beginning with "The ..." under T, e.g. English Wikipedia has DEFAULTSORT:Shining, The. <a href="/wiki/User:Gestumblindi" title="User:Gestumblindi">Gestumblindi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gestumblindi" title="User talk:Gestumblindi">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Gestumblindi-2014-10-31T20:27:00.000Z-Hsarrazin-2014-10-28T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 31 October 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>of course not… :D — pardon me for laughing, but that is exactly what the library-catalog at my job does… :(</dd> <dd>for titles, if you look at wikisource fr for example… the text pages are named with the correct title, and, without adding manually a DEFAULTSORT, except in very rare cases, we have a <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/fr:Module:Classement" class="extiw" title="s:fr:Module:Classement">"Classement" module</a>, automatically applied through Title or Proofreadpage header template, so that the texts are sorted according to French rules… I don't think the same rules apply in all languages… but a similar system could perhaps be set for every language :) --<a href="/wiki/User:Hsarrazin" title="User:Hsarrazin">Hsarrazin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hsarrazin" title="User talk:Hsarrazin">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Hsarrazin-2014-11-01T01:42:00.000Z-Gestumblindi-2014-10-31T20:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:42, 1 November 2014 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support but it's important we indicate which system applies - names in Irish (Gaelic) are sorted by different rules (you ignore the Ó or Mac prefix so Ó Rourke and Mac Raeman are sorted together). <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2014-10-31T20:49:00.000Z-Hsarrazin-2014-10-28T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 31 October 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Actually no. You do not ignore Ó or Mac per University College, Dublin and National Library of Ireland. However, I've seen both systems used. But you do hit the most important thing... indicate which system applies. If supported, there should be a group who writes out the rules. Sounds like <a href="/wiki/User:Hsarrazin" title="User:Hsarrazin">Hsarrazin</a> and <a href="/wiki/User:Gestumblindi" title="User:Gestumblindi">Gestumblindi</a> should be in the group. Sounds like German and English Wikipedia's base things from IFLA guidelines, so that is probably the best starting point. I personally favour a fight to the death. :) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Bgwhite&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Bgwhite (page does not exist)">Bgwhite</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bgwhite" title="User talk:Bgwhite">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Bgwhite-2014-11-02T00:01:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2014-10-31T20:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:01, 2 November 2014 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Reject as proposed. This needs a multilingual field as the sortkey will differ by language. --<a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Izno-2014-11-21T07:52:00.000Z-Hsarrazin-2014-10-28T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:52, 21 November 2014 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>It depends. Libraries try to apply a standard that is on the one hand language-specific, on the other hand universal, such as in the already mentioned <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.ifla.org/node/4953">Names of Persons</a>. Persons are entered according to the custom in the respective person's language, notwithstanding the language of the library's location. So, a library following "Names of Persons" will sort Spanish persons according to Spanish convention, and Icelandic persons according to Iceland convention, even if it's a library in Switzerland or in Poland. This would be a possible approach here IMHO. So we wouldn't need a "Spanish sorting" and a "Polish sorting" for the same person, but just one, the one according to the person's language. <a href="/wiki/User:Gestumblindi" title="User:Gestumblindi">Gestumblindi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gestumblindi" title="User talk:Gestumblindi">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Gestumblindi-2014-11-25T21:58:00.000Z-Izno-2014-11-21T07:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:58, 25 November 2014 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>The problem with that approach is that isn't how it's done on any particular wiki--each of which will and do have different sorting conventions. --<a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Izno-2014-11-27T00:12:00.000Z-Gestumblindi-2014-11-25T21:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 27 November 2014 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support but using DEFAULTSORT as the source. I am speaking as someone who has used the metadata provided by Persondata. I gave up using the name parameter - it was just too random. Even using the name parameter to display the persons name was impossible! My final solution was to display the Wiki page name and use DEFAULTSORT for ordering. <a href="/wiki/User:Periglio" title="User:Periglio">Periglio</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Periglio" title="User talk:Periglio">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Periglio-2015-01-18T02:03:00.000Z-Hsarrazin-2014-10-28T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:03, 18 January 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support But I suggest to link it to some language rules. As mentioned above, there are different rules for different languages, so we need a name of type monolinugal (original name as a person would describe itself in its mother tongue) and a set of rules for a defined group of some languages and may be some other sets of rules for some other languages. We need this property if we want to replace the templates by properties of Wikidata.--<a href="/wiki/User:Giftzwerg_88" title="User:Giftzwerg 88">Giftzwerg 88</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giftzwerg_88" title="User talk:Giftzwerg 88">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Giftzwerg_88-2015-02-16T00:39:00.000Z-sort_key" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:39, 16 February 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Doubts sv.wikisource and sv.wikipedia do not have the same sorting order, so I find it difficult to find a good solution here, even if we have one order for each language. And the sorting order of Swedish names depend on their age, so the language does not give enough information. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander" title="User:Innocent bystander">Innocent bystander</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Innocent_bystander" title="User talk:Innocent bystander">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Innocent_bystander-2015-03-23T09:31:00.000Z-Giftzwerg_88-2015-02-16T00:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:31, 23 March 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li>Actually <a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> a multilingual datatype won't work for this property, although we definitely need multiple languages corresponding to different languages. This is because we need to be able to qualify each of those multiple values to say which rules that value is following. As I understand it the multilingual datatype will count as one value - you can't have different qualifiers for each language. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Gestumblindi" title="User:Gestumblindi">Gestumblindi</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Hsarrazin" title="User:Hsarrazin">Hsarrazin</a> , perhaps we should rename this as "IFLA sort key" with other properties created later as required for other rule systems? <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-06-18T17:52:00.000Z-Giftzwerg_88-2015-02-16T00:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Giftzwerg_88" title="User:Giftzwerg 88"><bdi>Giftzwerg 88</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander" title="User:Innocent bystander"><bdi>Innocent bystander</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Crazy1880" title="User:Crazy1880"><bdi>Crazy1880</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: Done. When several sorting options exist, then qualify them with <a href="/wiki/Property:P518" title="Property:P518">applies to part, aspect, or form (P518)</a>.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-26T14:20:00.000Z-sort_key" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Like <a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q23&type=revision&diff=224083859&oldid=224079472">this</a> then? @<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Giftzwerg_88" title="User:Giftzwerg 88"><bdi>Giftzwerg 88</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Crazy1880" title="User:Crazy1880"><bdi>Crazy1880</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: -- <a href="/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander" title="User:Innocent bystander">Innocent bystander</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Innocent_bystander" title="User talk:Innocent bystander">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Innocent_bystander-2015-06-26T15:20:00.000Z-Micru-2015-06-26T14:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> I don't see how my concerns were addressed at all, and the suggested way to qualify an item does not fix the issue. Innocent introduces another non-obvious way to work this. @<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Giftzwerg_88" title="User:Giftzwerg 88"><bdi>Giftzwerg 88</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Crazy1880" title="User:Crazy1880"><bdi>Crazy1880</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>:. IMO this should be restricted to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Library_Associations_and_Institutions" class="extiw" title="en:International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions">IFLA</a> sorting method because at least that's a standard way to do this. --<a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Izno-2015-06-26T17:55:00.000Z-sort_key" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:55, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>It seems usefull to me, if we use the IFLA sorting method as a default sorting method. However there might exist different sorting methods for non-western languages like Chinese.--<a href="/wiki/User:Giftzwerg_88" title="User:Giftzwerg 88">Giftzwerg 88</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Giftzwerg_88" title="User talk:Giftzwerg 88">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Giftzwerg_88-2015-06-27T00:59:00.000Z-Izno-2015-06-26T17:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a>, I have edited the description to reflect that IFLA is the default sorting method and that other methods should be specified.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-27T08:02:00.000Z-Giftzwerg_88-2015-06-27T00:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:02, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>: And what is the sort key for "<a href="/wiki/Q6343573" title="Q6343573">Helge Åkeson</a>" according to IFLA? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander" title="User:Innocent bystander">Innocent bystander</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Innocent_bystander" title="User talk:Innocent bystander">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Innocent_bystander-2015-06-27T08:13:00.000Z-Micru-2015-06-27T08:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:13, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander" title="User:Innocent bystander"><bdi>Innocent bystander</bdi></a>: I do not know the answer to your question, however you can take a look to this <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.ifla.org/files/assets/cataloguing/pubs/names-of-persons_1996.pdf">IFLA publication</a> and try to find it out on your own.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-27T08:21:00.000Z-Innocent_bystander-2015-06-27T08:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:21, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Ok, but after I have read only a few pages in that document, it looks like the IFLA-key depends on 1 language, 2 country, 3 time, (but maybe not in that order). It then looks far to complicated to be used with the tools we have with the string datatype. We at least need a monolingual-datatype with both P17- and time-qualifiers. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander" title="User:Innocent bystander">Innocent bystander</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Innocent_bystander" title="User talk:Innocent bystander">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Innocent_bystander-2015-06-27T08:36:00.000Z-Micru-2015-06-27T08:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:36, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>It is true that you need to know those things, but you don't need to qualify it, those are statements that are already present in the item.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-27T09:35:00.000Z-Innocent_bystander-2015-06-27T08:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:35, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Well, to me it looks more like it is based on where the library is, what langauge it is based upon and when it it can be found. It does not look like it is based on the nationality/language/age of the subject. That is why we on svwikisource use another principles than svwikipedia. Wikisource is mainly based on texts from 19th and 20th century, while Wikipedia only has texts from the 21st century. The difference is that W was introduced to our alphabet as late as 2006. I think Q was introduced around 1900. Å, Ä and Ö was introduced much earlier. Before 1521 we had for example Æ. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander" title="User:Innocent bystander">Innocent bystander</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Innocent_bystander" title="User talk:Innocent bystander">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Innocent_bystander-2015-06-27T11:46:00.000Z-Micru-2015-06-27T09:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:46, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Revised_Romanisation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Revised_Romanisation-2015-06-26T11:29:00.000Z">Revised Romanisation</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2001" title="Property:P2001">Revised Romanization</a> (P2001) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2001" title="Property talk:P2001">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>romanised Korean name following the Revised Romanisation of Korean system</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q498721" title="Q498721">Revised Romanization of Korean</a> (Q498721)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"rr" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Korean_name" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox Korean name">en:Template:Infobox Korean name</a> or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Korean" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Korean">en:Template:Korean</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>anything</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>[A-Za-z -]+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q498721" title="Q498721">Revised Romanization of Korean (Q498721)</a> → Gugeoui Romaja Pyogibeop, <a href="/wiki/Q138048" title="Q138048">Park Geun-hye (Q138048)</a><<a href="/wiki/Property:P1559" title="Property:P1559">name in native language (P1559)</a>:"박근혜"><Revised Romanisation:Bak Geunhye></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Revised Romanisation replaced McCune-Reischauer (already added as <a href="/wiki/Property:P1942" title="Property:P1942">McCune-Reischauer romanization (P1942)</a>) as the official romanisation system in South Korea and is included in various templates about Korean topics. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Nikki-2015-06-26T11:29:00.000Z-Revised_Romanisation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support but only as a qualifier property to the various string and text properties (e.g. "name" properties, see previous item). Remember each item has lots of labels and these can change. Changes to labels should not affect this property. My preferred language is english so the example here says that the Romanisation for the phrase "Revised Romanization of Korean" is "Gugeoui Romaja Pyogibeop" which makes no sense so I have updated it. <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> please check I got it right. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-06-27T01:20:00.000Z-Revised_Romanisation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:20, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>No, it says the name in Korean using the Revised Romanisation system is "Gugeoui Romaja Pyogibeop". That's true regardless of whether the normal Korean label is displayed or not. We could make the property name something like "name in Korean using Revised Romanisation system" but I'm not sure what the point would be, since it's a lot longer, doesn't change the meaning of the property and we can already describe the meaning of a property in the property's description. This should be used just like <a href="/wiki/Property:P1942" title="Property:P1942">McCune-Reischauer romanization (P1942)</a>, which again you supported without any requirements for it to be a qualifier - see my question above. Where are you getting your examples from anyway? Both the Korean text and the romanisation were wrong in the example you replaced mine with. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Nikki-2015-06-27T07:16:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-06-27T01:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>If an item has more than one name (i.e. if it has any Korean aliases) then it isn't clear which name is being romanised. I recently came across an item about a writer where the English and the Italian wikipedia articles were named after different pseudonyms. That item now has a "birth name" and three "pseudonym" statements. It seems bizarre to have a statement with the name in Revised Romanisation without a statement with the corresponding name in Korean script. Otherwise you could just put the Revised Romanisation name in an alias - that's why I think the romanisation should be a qualifier to a statement giving the name in Korean script.. I agree the same comments apply to <a href="/wiki/Property:P1942" title="Property:P1942">McCune-Reischauer romanization (P1942)</a>.</dd> <dd>Alternatively we need to change how the Monolingual text datatype works so that we can specify the script used as well as the language.</dd> <dd>Thanks for sorting my examples. I got them from articles on English and Korean wikipedia. By the way if the Revised romanisation of "Park Geun-hye" is "Bak Geunhye" then what Romanisation system is "Park Geun-hye"? <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-06-28T02:50:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-06-27T07:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:50, 28 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. @<a href="/wiki/User:Shinyang-i" title="User:Shinyang-i"><bdi>Shinyang-i</bdi></a>: Ok for you? --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-07-04T11:05:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-06-27T01:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:05, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Created_by_bot" data-mw-thread-id="h-Created_by_bot-2015-06-30T21:20:00.000Z">Created by bot</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Wikipedia article created by bot</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q10420904" title="Q10420904">Astraeus (Q10420904)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q17430942" title="Q17430942">Lsjbot (Q17430942)</a> with qualifier ceb, sv, war</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> For <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Statistics/Wikipedia" title="Wikidata:Statistics/Wikipedia">statistical purposes</a> it would be useful to query bot-created articles in Wikidata. E.g. the swedish <a href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:Robotskapade_artiklar" class="extiw" title="sv:Kategori:Robotskapade artiklar">bot article category</a> is too big (1.5 million entries) to be queried by CatScan. Do you have a more elegant approach?--<a href="/wiki/User:Kopiersperre" title="User:Kopiersperre">Kopiersperre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kopiersperre" title="User talk:Kopiersperre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kopiersperre-2015-06-30T21:20:00.000Z-Created_by_bot" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd>I am extremely hesitant to have any properties being about the entity's Wikipedia article rather than the entity itself. If this is created, it should be "Wikipedia article created by bot", either way. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Yair_rand-2015-07-01T00:23:00.000Z-Created_by_bot" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 1 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose Agree with Yair Rand. Nothing to do with the entity. Maybe there could be some kind of badge ? <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-TomT0m-2015-07-01T11:25:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-07-01T00:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:25, 1 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose Agree with Yair Rand and TomT0m. This has to do with wikilink, not item. --<a href="/wiki/User:Hsarrazin" title="User:Hsarrazin">Hsarrazin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hsarrazin" title="User talk:Hsarrazin">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Hsarrazin-2015-07-01T11:56:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-07-01T00:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose Nothing to do with WD. Some items can be linked to articles create by human and some by bots. This is not a feature of the concept but something to handle by each WP. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Snipre-2015-07-01T12:38:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-07-01T00:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment @<a href="/wiki/User:Kopiersperre" title="User:Kopiersperre"><bdi>Kopiersperre</bdi></a>: Why don't you request a "bot generated" badge instead?--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-07-01T13:24:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2015-07-01T00:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:24, 1 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>: Ok, that's what I need! I hope I will get some resonance at <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata/Development/Badges" class="extiw" title="meta:Talk:Wikidata/Development/Badges">meta:Talk:Wikidata/Development/Badges</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Kopiersperre" title="User:Kopiersperre">Kopiersperre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kopiersperre" title="User talk:Kopiersperre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kopiersperre-2015-07-01T16:22:00.000Z-Micru-2015-07-01T13:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 1 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kopiersperre" title="User:Kopiersperre"><bdi>Kopiersperre</bdi></a>: et al! The Swedish bot-category is removed when the article has been reviewed by ordinary users. And the category has not been added in bot-projects, when such reviews has not been considered necessary. So a "bot-created" badge would look inaccurate to me, it would rather say: "Unreviewed article".</dd> <dd>I have bot-created articles myself. But in contrast to Lsj, I have refused to create articles with a Bot-created-category. When the policy have enforced me to do so, I have refused to create articles. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander" title="User:Innocent bystander">Innocent bystander</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Innocent_bystander" title="User talk:Innocent bystander">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Innocent_bystander-2015-07-07T09:37:00.000Z-Kopiersperre-2015-07-01T16:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37, 7 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-10T16:50:00.000Z-Created_by_bot" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 10 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Twitter_username" data-mw-thread-id="h-Twitter_username-2015-07-18T12:25:00.000Z">Twitter username</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2002" title="Property:P2002">X username</a> (P2002) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2002" title="Property talk:P2002">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q43229" title="Q43229">organization (Q43229)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>[A-Za-z0-9_]+</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>item's official website, <a href="/wiki/Q6741634" title="Q6741634">Template:Twitter (Q6741634)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>migrate the existing uses from <a href="/wiki/Property:P553" title="Property:P553">website account on (P553)</a>, import from <a href="/wiki/Q6741634" title="Q6741634">Template:Twitter (Q6741634)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Proposing with the aim of splitting <a href="/wiki/Property:P553" title="Property:P553">website account on (P553)</a> (see <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Website_user_names" title="Wikidata:Project chat">Wikidata:Project chat#Website_user_names</a>)). Twitter accounts for over 80% of the existing uses of <a href="/wiki/Property:P553" title="Property:P553">website account on (P553)</a>. It's also one of the pretty straightforward cases, since they don't have a variety of different identifiers or URL formats. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Nikki-2015-07-18T12:25:00.000Z-Twitter_username" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:25, 18 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - <a href="/wiki/User:Mbch331" title="User:Mbch331">Mbch331</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mbch331" title="User talk:Mbch331">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Mbch331-2015-07-18T16:06:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-07-18T12:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:06, 18 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-18T20:42:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-07-18T12:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 18 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - <a href="/wiki/User:Edoderoo" title="User:Edoderoo">Edoderoo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edoderoo" title="User talk:Edoderoo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Edoderoo-2015-07-19T11:21:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-07-18T12:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:21, 19 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support this one if you actually want to do the conversion. It makes up about 66% of all uses of P553. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-07-20T16:42:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-07-18T12:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 20 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support because the current approach(<a href="/wiki/Property:P553" title="Property:P553">website account on (P553)</a>) sucks --<a href="/wiki/User:Shisma" title="User:Shisma">Shisma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shisma" title="User talk:Shisma">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Shisma-2015-07-20T18:37:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-07-18T12:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 20 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Prefall&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Prefall (page does not exist)">Prefall</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prefall" title="User talk:Prefall">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Prefall-2015-07-21T06:48:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-07-18T12:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:48, 21 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Instagram_username" data-mw-thread-id="h-Instagram_username-2015-07-18T12:25:00.000Z">Instagram username</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2003" title="Property:P2003">Instagram username</a> (P2003) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2003" title="Property talk:P2003">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>this item's username on Instagram</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q209330" title="Q209330">Instagram</a> (Q209330)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q43229" title="Q43229">organization (Q43229)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>[a-z0-9_.]+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q23548" title="Q23548">National Aeronautics and Space Administration (Q23548)</a> → nasa</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>item's official website, <a href="/wiki/Q13107244" title="Q13107244">Template:Instagram (Q13107244)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>https://instagram.com/$1/</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>migrate the existing uses from <a href="/wiki/Property:P553" title="Property:P553">website account on (P553)</a>, import from <a href="/wiki/Q13107244" title="Q13107244">Template:Instagram (Q13107244)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Proposing with the aim of splitting <a href="/wiki/Property:P553" title="Property:P553">website account on (P553)</a> (see <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Website_user_names" title="Wikidata:Project chat">Wikidata:Project chat#Website_user_names</a>)). Like Twitter, this also seems to be pretty straightforward. Instagram usernames appear to be always lowercase. URLs with uppercase characters still work, e.g. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://instagram.com/nasa">[5]</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://instagram.com/NASA">[6]</a> load the same page. I think we should aim to store the canonical form though, so I left uppercase letters out of the allowed values. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Nikki-2015-07-18T12:25:00.000Z-Instagram_username" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:25, 18 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-18T20:42:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-07-18T12:25:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 18 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support - <a href="/wiki/User:Mbch331" title="User:Mbch331">Mbch331</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mbch331" title="User talk:Mbch331">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Mbch331-2015-07-19T08:29:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-07-18T12:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:29, 19 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Prefall&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Prefall (page does not exist)">Prefall</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Prefall" title="User talk:Prefall">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Prefall-2015-07-21T06:48:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-07-18T12:25:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:48, 21 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Shisma" title="User:Shisma">Shisma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shisma" title="User talk:Shisma">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Shisma-2015-07-21T09:16:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-07-18T12:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:16, 21 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Facebook_iD" data-mw-thread-id="h-Facebook_iD-2015-07-22T18:12:00.000Z">Facebook iD</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2013" title="Property:P2013">Facebook username</a> (P2013) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2013" title="Property talk:P2013">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Proposing with the aim of splitting <a href="/wiki/Property:P553" title="Property:P553">website account on (P553)</a> (see <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Website_user_names" title="Wikidata:Project chat">Wikidata:Project chat#Website_user_names</a>). Per <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing/websites" title="User:Pigsonthewing/websites">this</a>, Facebook is the second-most used value for P553, after Twitter. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-22T18:12:00.000Z-Facebook_iD" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 22 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Mbch331" title="User:Mbch331">Mbch331</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mbch331" title="User talk:Mbch331">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Mbch331-2015-07-23T11:39:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-22T18:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:39, 23 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Mbch331" title="User:Mbch331"><bdi>Mbch331</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P2013" title="Property:P2013">Facebook username (P2013)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-30T12:09:00.000Z-Facebook_iD" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:09, 30 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="RSL_identifier_of_publication" data-mw-thread-id="h-RSL_identifier_of_publication-2015-05-22T07:38:00.000Z">RSL identifier of publication</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1973" title="Property:P1973">RSL editions</a> (P1973) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1973" title="Property talk:P1973">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier of the Russian State Library for books, magazines, maps, music sheets etc</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q386724" title="Q386724">work (Q386724)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>nine decimal digits</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>books: <a href="/wiki/Q4068365" title="Q4068365">Arabesques (Q4068365)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://aleph.rsl.ru/F?func=direct-set&l_base=xall&doc_number=003559148">003559148</a> / <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://search.rsl.ru/en/catalog/record/003559148">search.rsl.ru</a> (no scan) <a href="/wiki/Q15631965" title="Q15631965">Urbi et orbi (Q15631965)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://aleph.rsl.ru/F?func=direct-set&l_base=xall&doc_number=003710855">003710855</a> / <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://search.rsl.ru/en/catalog/record/003710855">search.rsl.ru</a> (inaccesible scan) <a href="/wiki/Q15839163" title="Q15839163">The Kiss and Other Stories by Anton Tchekhoff (Q15839163)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://aleph.rsl.ru/F?func=direct-set&l_base=xall&doc_number=004438677">004438677</a> / <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://search.rsl.ru/en/catalog/record/004438677">search.rsl.ru</a> (scanned) magazines: <a href="/wiki/Q2661947" title="Q2661947">Otechestvennye Zapiski (Q2661947)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://aleph.rsl.ru/F?func=direct-set&l_base=xall&doc_number=004940962">004940962</a> / <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://search.rsl.ru/en/catalog/record/004940962">search.rsl.ru</a> (no scan) <a href="/wiki/Q15628819" title="Q15628819">Illustratsiya Magazine (Q15628819)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://aleph.rsl.ru/F?func=direct-set&l_base=xall&doc_number=003353086">003353086</a> / <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://search.rsl.ru/en/catalog/record/003353086">search.rsl.ru</a> (scanned) <a href="/wiki/Q445723" title="Q445723">Computer Bild (Q445723)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://aleph.rsl.ru/F?func=direct-set&l_base=xall&doc_number=003392467">003392467</a> / <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://search.rsl.ru/en/catalog/record/003392467">search.rsl.ru</a> (no scan) <a href="/wiki/Q4203834" title="Q4203834">Iskatel' (Q4203834)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://aleph.rsl.ru/F?func=direct-set&l_base=xall&doc_number=002383305">002383305</a> / <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://search.rsl.ru/en/catalog/record/002383305">search.rsl.ru</a> (no scan) </td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>\d{9}</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://aleph.rsl.ru/">RSL catalog database</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://aleph.rsl.ru/F?func=direct-set&l_base=xall&doc_number=$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>May be seached by ISSN (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://aleph.rsl.ru/F?func=find-b&find_code=WIS&request=2308-815X">2308-815X</a> for <a href="/wiki/Q445723" title="Q445723">Computer Bild (Q445723)</a>), by ISBN (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://aleph.rsl.ru/F?func=find-b&find_code=WIB&request=5-8459-0081-6">5-8459-0081-6</a> for the Russian edition of Knuth's The Art of Computer Programming, vol. 2)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> The <a href="/wiki/Property:P947" title="Property:P947">RSL ID (person) (P947)</a> used for persones. But for books, magazines, maps, music sheets etc is needed other property to change URL formatter (local_base=xall instead of local_base=RSL11). Relation with <a href="/wiki/Property:P1815" title="Property:P1815">RSL scanned publication ID (P1815)</a>: P1815 points to the scanned book, issues of periodical, but the proposed prоperty identify the any thing, stored at RSL, scanned or not scanned. If P1815 value starts with "01", then last nine digits is this identifier. But in some cases P1815 starts with "60" (e.g. P1815 = <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://dlib.rsl.ru/viewer/60000097673#?page=1">60000097673</a> is issues 1-12, 1888 of "Пантеон литературы" magazine), then last nine digits is NOT this identifier. So this identifier cannot extracted from P1815 in common case and vice versa. It may be used in the card templetes with more friendly URL: http://search.rsl.ru/ru/catalog/record/$1, english version - http://search.rsl.ru/en/catalog/record/$1. Also it helps to search a scanned, books, issues of periodical at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://search.rsl.ru/">http://search.rsl.ru/</a> (e.g. try "@id 3353086" for the issues of <a href="/wiki/Q15628819" title="Q15628819">Illustratsiya Magazine (Q15628819)</a>). -- <a href="/wiki/User:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User:Sergey kudryavtsev">Sergey kudryavtsev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-05-22T07:38:00.000Z-RSL_identifier_of_publication" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:38, 22 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Question: Very few items currently use <a href="/wiki/Property:P1815" title="Property:P1815">RSL scanned publication ID (P1815)</a>. Since the scan file is linked directly from the catalog page (I checked), why not change the property statements and formatter URL to include the catalog entry for authority control rather than the scan? (Yes, this may require fixing some current uses but there are so few it might take minutes.) This is what we currently do with <a href="/wiki/Property:P1144" title="Property:P1144">Library of Congress Control Number (LCCN) (bibliographic) (P1144)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1055" title="Property:P1055">NLM Unique ID (P1055)</a>. Both link to the catalog entry. If there is a scan available, it is linked to from that page. We don't link directly to scans for either. It's important in the fact that libraries add scans all the time. If we link to the catalog page, then by proxy we're catching the scan too. Aside, I've noticed that many people here link to the Google Books page for many items here, despite not all of them having scans available. Back to your proposal, what I'm suggesting would likely require discussion at the property itself as well, but I think this is much more useful and would serve what you are suggesting without creating a new (somewhat confusing to newcomers) property. Opinions? <a href="/wiki/User:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hazmat2">Hazmat2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Hazmat2">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Hazmat2-2015-05-22T12:51:00.000Z-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-05-22T07:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:51, 22 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hazmat2"><bdi>Hazmat2</bdi></a>:, @<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: Why not change the property statements and formatter URL — In "Motivation" i answer this question: a scans like <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://dlib.rsl.ru/viewer/60000097673#?page=1">60000097673</a>, there are no id at all. Most issues of periodical has a scan ids 60XXXXXXXXX. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User:Sergey kudryavtsev">Sergey kudryavtsev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-05-22T14:26:00.000Z-Hazmat2-2015-05-22T12:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 22 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>In my opinion, a specific issue of a periodical doesn't usually have authority control data anyway. Is there not a catalog entry for the periodical itself? That would be odd for a library to have scans for something but no catalog entry. <a href="/wiki/User:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hazmat2">Hazmat2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Hazmat2">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Hazmat2-2015-05-22T14:34:00.000Z-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-05-22T14:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 22 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hazmat2"><bdi>Hazmat2</bdi></a>: Is there not a catalog entry for the periodical itself? — Example: the id <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://search.rsl.ru/en/catalog/record/005029538">005029538</a> describe all issues of "Пантеон литературы" together (it may be used for authority control). The id <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://dlib.rsl.ru/viewer/60000097673#?page=1">60000097673</a> is a scan of jan—dec 1888 issues. See you you a big banner "This document don`t have digital copy" at first link? It's a lie! The scan id may be found via <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://aleph.rsl.ru/F?func=direct-set&l_base=xall&doc_number=005029538">005029538 at aleph.rsl.ru</a>. See you pdf-links? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User:Sergey kudryavtsev">Sergey kudryavtsev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-05-22T14:50:00.000Z-Hazmat2-2015-05-22T14:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 22 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li></ul></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Thanks for the clarification. Interestingly enough, The MARC record on that page says there is an electronic copy, but the link is missing. Have you found this to be common there? <a href="/wiki/User:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hazmat2">Hazmat2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Hazmat2">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Hazmat2-2015-05-22T17:16:00.000Z-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-05-22T14:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:16, 22 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>See <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/ru:%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Sergey_kudryavtsev/%D0%96%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8B_%D0%B8_%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%8B#aleph.rsl.ru" class="extiw" title="s:ru:Участник:Sergey kudryavtsev/Журналы и газеты">s:ru:Участник:Sergey kudryavtsev/Журналы и газеты#aleph.rsl.ru</a>. The (pdf) means the RSL record with valid pdf links at aleph.rsl.ru, (<s>pdf</s>) means RSL record with invalid links. It's possible that those links is intended for internal use by the library staff — i don't know. In any case, valid pdf links is very rare. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User:Sergey kudryavtsev">Sergey kudryavtsev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-05-22T18:22:00.000Z-Hazmat2-2015-05-22T17:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:22, 22 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/15px-BA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/23px-BA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/30px-BA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="190" data-file-height="200"/> Weak oppose @Sergey: As you say: We got the property "RSL identifier" <a href="/wiki/Property:P947" title="Property:P947">RSL ID (person) (P947)</a> already. What you are proposing is a property "RSL editions". @Hazmat2: +1. Let's change the use of <a href="/wiki/Property:P1815" title="Property:P1815">RSL scanned publication ID (P1815)</a> from "RSL scanned book's identifier" to "RSL editions". --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-05-22T13:11:00.000Z-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-05-22T07:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 22 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>See my answer to Hazmat2 above. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User:Sergey kudryavtsev">Sergey kudryavtsev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-05-22T14:28:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-05-22T13:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 22 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>I changed en title to "RSL identifier of publication" for distinctness. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User:Sergey kudryavtsev">Sergey kudryavtsev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-05-22T14:38:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-05-22T13:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:38, 22 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/15px-GA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/23px-GA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/GA_candidate.svg/30px-GA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="183" data-file-height="196"/> Weak support: While I don't like the idea of having multiple identifiers for essentially the same thing, I realize that in this case they're not, and that it has more to do with the RSL not really getting its act together. If we need two links to point to the catalog entry and the scan at one library because they're not necessarily linked, I think that's probably okay. However, I would still like to note that we don't do this for others and it's hard to fully support doing it for this reason. <a href="/wiki/User:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hazmat2">Hazmat2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Hazmat2">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Hazmat2-2015-05-30T03:27:00.000Z-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-05-22T07:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:27, 30 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>We can add a constraint template, which warns if P1815 and this property is used together. But the best solution ihmo is a conditional URL fornatter (the condition is regex): if P1815 is 11 digits (regex \d{11}) than it has a URL http://dlib.rsl.ru/viewer/$1, if P1815 is 9 digits (regex \d{9}), then it has a URL http://aleph.rsl.ru/F?func=direct-set&l_base=xall&doc_number=$1. A conditional URL fornatter can be apply to <a href="/wiki/Property:P648" title="Property:P648">Open Library ID (P648)</a> too. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User:Sergey kudryavtsev">Sergey kudryavtsev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-05-30T08:58:00.000Z-Hazmat2-2015-05-30T03:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:58, 30 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User:Sergey kudryavtsev"><bdi>Sergey kudryavtsev</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hazmat2"><bdi>Hazmat2</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-07-04T01:51:00.000Z-RSL_identifier_of_publication" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:51, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>PS: The examples needs to be checked. Please make sure that the items are editions with <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a>: <a href="/wiki/Q3331189" title="Q3331189">version, edition or translation (Q3331189)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P629" title="Property:P629">edition or translation of (P629)</a>: link to the work item. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-07-04T02:23:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-07-04T01:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:23, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="German_Biography_id" data-mw-thread-id="h-German_Biography_id-2015-05-08T17:26:00.000Z">German Biography id</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Biographical data from the <a href="/wiki/Q1202222" title="Q1202222">Deutsche Biographie (Q1202222)</a>: 268.000 persons (December 2014).</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>ID of <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Deutsche_Biographie" class="extiw" title="de:Template:Deutsche Biographie">de:Template:Deutsche Biographie</a> and <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Deutsche_Biographie" class="extiw" title="fr:Modèle:Deutsche Biographie">fr:Modèle:Deutsche Biographie</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>person (including families)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q100776" title="Q100776">Albert von Holleben (Q100776)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1343" title="Property:P1343">described by source (P1343)</a>: <a href="/wiki/Q1202222" title="Q1202222">Deutsche Biographie (Q1202222)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>with the qualifier "German Biography id" → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.deutsche-biographie.de/ppn116963646.html#indexcontent">ppn116963646</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q18020317" title="Q18020317">Friedrich von Klocke (Q18020317)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz42943.html#indexcontent">sfz42943</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q1901950" title="Q1901950">Markwartinger family (Q1901950)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz58457.html#indexcontent">sfz58457</a></li></ul></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1202222" title="Q1202222">Deutsche Biographie (Q1202222)</a> with biographical data of 268.000 persons <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.deutsche-biographie.de/ueber">[7]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.ndb.badw-muenchen.de/index.htm#Aktuelles">[8]</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.deutsche-biographie.de/$1.html#indexcontent</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Main portal for biographies of people from Germany. The database contains the articles from the <a href="/wiki/Q590208" title="Q590208">Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie (Q590208)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q222784" title="Q222784">Neue Deutsche Biographie (Q222784)</a>, complemented with new biographical data. IDs with the prefix "ppn" should match with <a href="/wiki/Property:P227" title="Property:P227">GND ID (P227)</a>. @<a href="/wiki/User:APPER" title="User:APPER"><bdi>APPER</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel"><bdi>Gymel‎</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Marcus_Cyron" title="User:Marcus Cyron"><bdi>Marcus Cyron</bdi></a>: Was haltet ihr davon? --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-05-08T17:26:00.000Z-German_Biography_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 8 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li>Why not <a href="/wiki/Property:P1343" title="Property:P1343">described by source (P1343)</a> = <a href="/wiki/Q590208" title="Q590208">Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie (Q590208)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Q222784" title="Q222784">Neue Deutsche Biographie (Q222784)</a> with qualifier <a href="/wiki/Property:P854" title="Property:P854">reference URL (P854)</a>? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User:Sergey kudryavtsev">Sergey kudryavtsev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-05-12T09:48:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-05-08T17:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:48, 12 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment Good point. I've improved the property documentation. The ADB contains the biographies of "only" 26.500 and NDB (vol. 1-25) of 21.800 persons. (They can be cited with <a href="/wiki/Property:P1343" title="Property:P1343">described by source (P1343)</a> and qualifiers like vol., pages, author etc.) The <a href="/wiki/Q1202222" title="Q1202222">Deutsche Biographie (Q1202222)</a> contains - since its relaunch in December 2014 - the biographical data of 268.000 persons. The ID is used by the Wikipedia templates and is needed for the Database reports/Constraint violations. If the URL changes the ID stays the same. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-05-13T04:01:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-05-08T17:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:01, 13 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Some remarks <ol><li>Links from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.biographie-portal.eu/">biographie-portal.eu</a> use the "sfz" kind of numbers/links to www.deutsche-biographie.de which may be even more stable (there are cases where they initially performed a wrong GND identification: When that is corrected at a later point of time old links become invalid without notice - so much to "permalinks", also - currently - <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz55246.html">http://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz55246.html</a> does work and the officially advertised <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.deutsche-biographie.de/ppn118575449.html">http://www.deutsche-biographie.de/ppn118575449.html</a> does not ;-).</li> <li>As mentioned above such a link may have an ADB link or an NDB link or both as target. ADB is a historical publication and closed as such, NDB the current one, also available in print. Additionally, ADB exists as a <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/de:Allgemeine_Deutsche_Biographie" class="extiw" title="s:de:Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie">Wikisource edition</a> in final stages of proofing, where identification with GND numbers sometimes is improved or different from that of the official site.</li> <li>Additionally there are the scanned volumes of NDB and ADB which - as online versions of a printed work in their own right - can be adressed by their nbn-URN (or rather a URL resolvable from that) and page number: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00016333/image_563">NDB vol. 15, image 563 / page 549. urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00016333-7</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00008377/image_662">ADB vol. 19, image 662 / page 660. urn:nbn:de:bvb:12-bsb00008377-4</a> (I don't know about them adopting the "granular" URN concept for these publications, but there could be individual URNs for the individual articles within those scanned volumes in the future).</li></ol></li></ul> <dl><dd>My priority therefore would be to have a working paradigm for interlinking the items for ADB articles from s:de (AFAIK the "ADB:" sub-namespace has not been imported yet) with their subject items here on the one hand and with the "same" articles (Online ADB/NDB, Scanned versions of printed ADB/NDB) found elsewhere on the other: Maybe a NDB/ADB linking property would be more versatile for the article items than the persons themselves. --- <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel">Gymel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gymel" title="User talk:Gymel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Gymel-2015-05-13T08:03:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-05-08T17:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:03, 13 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li>@Gymel: You are talking about the ADB (and the deutsche-biographie.de <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20070220235238/http://www.deutsche-biographie.de/">website of 2007</a>). This property should be used for the "new" <a href="/wiki/Q1202222" title="Q1202222">Deutsche Biographie (Q1202222)</a> (relaunched in December 2014). The URL (...#indexcontent) links to the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz60780.html#indexcontent">index page</a> (not to the ADB or NDB article, if one exists). The Deutsch Biographie is not generally searchable through biographie-portal.eu. This portal is only using the ADB & NDB index. Take the above example: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.deutsche-biographie.de/ppn116963646.html#indexcontent">Albert N. Holleben</a> (Deutsche Biographie). Search his name in <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.biographie-portal.eu/">biographie-portal.eu</a>. Result: "Ihre Suche ergab keine Treffer." --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-05-13T14:41:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-05-08T17:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:41, 13 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose Let's try to improve our own indexing of ADB first. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-05-18T21:50:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-05-08T17:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: Forget about the ADB. This proposal is about the <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Biographie" class="extiw" title="de:Deutsche Biographie">de:Deutsche Biographie</a>. Non of the three examples given above have an article in the Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie. The ADB has articles about 26.500 persons (all died before the year 1900), the Deutsche Biographie has biographical data of 268.000 persons (including the whole 20th century). But if you insist talking about the ADB and someone needs a direct link, just add "... #adbcontent" to the URL of the Deutsche Biographie property and in the case there is an article about this person in the ADB, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.deutsche-biographie.de/ppn101037155.html#adbcontent">you got it</a>. Alternatively, you can use the item created for the transcription of <a href="/wiki/Q19941559" title="Q19941559">the article in Wikisource</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-05-19T02:23:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-05-18T21:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:23, 19 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>We already link to GND and re-adding these in another property is just redundant. Editing the formatter url on the existing property would give the same. For the rare exceptions, you can work with the proposal by Sergey. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-05-19T05:50:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-05-19T02:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:50, 19 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Well than make a proposal how we can include the Deutsche Biographie as a source in a better way. Using the URL <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz...">http://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz...</a> instead of a property provides maintenance effort and is hardly useful for the Wikipedia templates. If one day all identifiers are replace by GND a bot can check the ids an delete the property. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-05-19T13:59:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-05-19T05:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:59, 19 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Oppose On revisit: I think the main point is that currently nobody knows what <a href="/wiki/Q1202222" title="Q1202222">Deutsche Biographie (Q1202222)</a> really is: Certainly a website and a kind of brand name, at the beginnings 14 years ago it contained biographical data from ADB and NDB indexes, then gave also full text access to the two biographic dictionaries (they are the publishers of the two works, thus the website is the home and access vehicle of the official online editions), and now they have extended their database by about 150% to encompass also biographical data from "partner projects": After the website's relaunch half a year ago the name now seems to squat claims for a vision of a (future?, virtual?? definitely purely online) German Dictionary of National Biography but IMHO its way too early to tell how this will look like and whether one really would like to have links to them instead of providing specific links to real biographies as part of distinguished and more real constituent biographical collections... -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel">Gymel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gymel" title="User talk:Gymel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Gymel-2015-06-13T10:36:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-05-08T17:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:36, 13 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>For the German and English WP this is ok. But right now the Deutsche Biographie is already a great help for smaller Wikipedias that have no links to ADB & NDB. WD should provide the information for all infoboxes and templates regardless of German and English WP. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-06-13T14:11:00.000Z-Gymel-2015-06-13T10:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:11, 13 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I'd be fine with the immediate creation of a dedicated property for <a href="/wiki/Q222784" title="Q222784">Neue Deutsche Biographie (Q222784)</a>. Of course also a property for <a href="/wiki/Q590208" title="Q590208">Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie (Q590208)</a> would be more than appropriate, but I share <a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1">Juras</a> concern that we are still lacking a solution to integrate printed work, official online Version and the Wikisource "edition". I'm optimistic that in the future we'll develop a routine way of intergrating these huge "dictionary" projects from the Wikisource sites and then we'll have immediately a working and almost completely filled ADB property I presume. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel">Gymel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gymel" title="User talk:Gymel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Gymel-2015-06-13T15:47:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-06-13T14:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:47, 13 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Fine for me. Let's do two dedicated properties for these works at Wikisource (item property type). --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-06-13T16:30:00.000Z-Gymel-2015-06-13T15:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:30, 13 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>So we will have two new propteries instead of one, and both can't be used with <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Deutsche_Biographie" class="extiw" title="de:Template:Deutsche Biographie">de:Template:Deutsche Biographie</a>? I honor the work of Wikisource but we don't need these transcripts any more. For ADB we have a better source @deutsche-biographie.de. For NDB we can't link to Wikisource because AFAIK for copyright reasons there are no NDB articles on Wikisource. Example: Why should we link to <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/de:ADB:Kant,_Immanuel" class="extiw" title="s:de:ADB:Kant, Immanuel">s:de:ADB:Kant,_Immanuel</a> if we have a reliable source <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz39751.html#indexcontent">deutsche-biographie.de/sfz39751</a> with the full ADB article, plus: the NDB article, "Partnerlinks", "Weitere Angebote", "Relationen", "Erwähnungen", and "Orte"? --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-06-14T05:30:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-06-13T16:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:30, 14 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Thats the point: NDB ist plain old "Authority control": Provide a URL fragment and klicking on it will reveal something to the user.</dd> <dd>For ADB however IMHO we need a property which reflects that there exist a wikidata item for the article plus one or more contexts for reading it online. Otherwise we would need three to four ADB properties, one for print, one for the official online version at deutsche-biographie.de and one or two for specifying the Wikisource item and creating a "shortcut" to a "Read-at-Wikisource" URL</dd> <dd>If we would use the NDB-Template on German Wikpedia for item construction here at wikidata we would start encountering a similar problem: An dedicated item to provide a full citation of the dictionary article would start blocking the way of a "straightforward" content URL. This means that online dictionaries are problematic resources for "Authority control" since their URLs serve the double function of being identifiers and content accessors. This is probably closely related to the well known Problem called <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTPRange-14" class="extiw" title="en:HTTPRange-14">en:HTTPRange-14</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel">Gymel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gymel" title="User talk:Gymel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Gymel-2015-06-14T16:26:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-06-14T05:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 14 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>That this property is proposed in the list "authority control" is my fault. Of cause it would fit more in references. It was just by accident that I've started the discussion here. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-06-15T00:09:00.000Z-Gymel-2015-06-14T16:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:09, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>The WS item can hold additional information on the ADB entry itself (author). On the other hand, we can't link every mirror. BTW, in the meantime, the property for <a href="/wiki/Property:P1907" title="Property:P1907">the other ADB</a> was created and implemented. No detour there. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-06-15T11:39:00.000Z-Gymel-2015-06-14T16:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:39, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Australian Dictionary of Biography id (AuDB) works like Deutsche Biographie id (DB): id + formatter URL. Linking to a mirror like a Wikisource page would be something else. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-06-15T17:25:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-06-15T11:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>As I stated above: Having a Wikisource mirror may be the reason why for (German) ADB we already have the issue. But if we would import the instances of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Australian_Dictionary_of_Biography" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Australian Dictionary of Biography">en:Template:Australian Dictionary of Biography</a> and turn each cited article into a Wikidata item of its own so they can be used for referencing claims, we would have a similar problem: What are our options for maintaining simple identifier-as-string cum URL pattern properties in the presence of full-fledged Wikidata items representing the target of the link? Perhaps it's even too early to ask this question since at the moment we dont't have any convincing way to express e.g. the connection from subjects of DNB00 articles to their corresponding items (which already exist), only the other way round, e.g. <a href="/wiki/Q19070399" title="Q19070399">Sumner, John Bird (DNB00) (Q19070399)</a> linking to <a href="/wiki/Q549733" title="Q549733">John Bird Sumner (Q549733)</a> via <a href="/wiki/Property:P921" title="Property:P921">main subject (P921)</a>, but looking at <a href="/wiki/Q549733" title="Q549733">John Bird Sumner (Q549733)</a> there is no DNB00 property linking back to the item. I think the recent discussion with <a href="/wiki/User:Vlsergey" title="User:Vlsergey">User:Vlsergey</a> at <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Change_described_by_source_(P1343)_qualificator_for_Wikisource_articles" title="Wikidata:Project chat">Wikidata:Project chat#Change described by source (P1343) qualificator for Wikisource articles</a> and the following section may be based on an attempt to find a solution for a similar problem, although it is formulated in the lines of Russian Wikisource being able to perform some data access: Give the dataset (dictionary, namespace, you name it) priority in formulating the claim (this is almost as explicit as having a dedicated property) and acknowledge the existence of a specific Wikidata item by stating an item-valued property as additional "qualifier". For the example above an analogous solution would be to have <a href="/wiki/Property:P1907" title="Property:P1907">Australian Dictionary of Biography ID (P1907)</a> as it is now and qualifying it with some property (neither <a href="/wiki/Property:P248" title="Property:P248">stated in (P248)</a> nor <a href="/wiki/Property:P805" title="Property:P805">statement is subject of (P805)</a> are particulary appealing to me) "wikidata-description-for-the-object" referencing the hypothetical Wikidata item I outlined above. In the discussion I have denounced that approach as being a zig-zag one (linking to the unspecific and qualifying with the specific where one could directly link to the specific and supply or infer the context) but we have to admit that much of the importance of the dedicated items for biographic dictionary articles does not come from the article itself but rather from the fact that it "belongs" to a highly esteemed reference work. Thus the property and it's usage must reflect that we are not interesting in giving the relation to any odd article but want to state that "the" ADB (the one of our choice ;-) has something to say about our item. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel">Gymel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gymel" title="User talk:Gymel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Gymel-2015-06-15T20:11:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-06-15T17:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Any chance that <a href="/wiki/Property:P1343" title="Property:P1343">described by source (P1343)</a>: <a href="/wiki/Q1202222" title="Q1202222">Deutsche Biographie (Q1202222)</a> with a qualifier like "include" ADB article could help? Otherwise we need at least three properties: ADB, NDB, and DB. All three have the same id, only the <a href="/wiki/Property:P1630" title="Property:P1630">formatter URL (P1630)</a> is different. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-06-15T21:25:00.000Z-Gymel-2015-06-15T20:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>It seems pointless to link ADB elsewhere than at Wikisource. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jura1-2015-06-15T21:31:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-06-15T21:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Why link to a transcript at WS if we have a reliable source? And how does a link to WS helps with NDB and DB? --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-06-15T21:59:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-06-15T21:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd>I don't think we'll need full FRBRization for dictionary articles. For e.g. DNB00 (the 1900 edition of the DNB, mirrored on Wikisource) plus DNB12 (the 1912 additions, also on Wikisource) and ODNB (2004- current, access restricted) I know there is a huge overlap but I don't know whether the 1900 articles are part of the 2004ff edition. However for ADB/NDB we know for certain that there is an overlap and that overlap means there are two independent articles in ADB and NDB. We certainly can utilize the Wikidata item providing the sitelink to an ADB article on Wikisource to include bibliographic reference data for the ADB print edition and the official ADB online link, but equally certain this item cannot additionally carry data pertaining to the NDB article. My objections against the proposed "DB" property are based on the ground that we'll have to identify ADB and NDB articles anyway and "DB" currently is just a bag containing exactly ADB and NDB. We may go without dedicated ADB and NDB properties (perhaps following the lines of <a href="/wiki/Property:P1343" title="Property:P1343">described by source (P1343)</a>) and we may decide to use the "DB" type link (i.e. the one which leaves the choice to the user wether he wants to read the ADB or parallel NDB article) to provide a reading access URL from items representing the dictionary articles or as qualifier for claims in the subject articles. But for me there is a clear distinction, ADB and NDB being the sources, and "DB" just a way to access the official online versions of these. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel">Gymel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gymel" title="User talk:Gymel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Gymel-2015-06-16T06:56:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-06-15T21:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:56, 16 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Deutsche Biographie with 268.000 persons is a pretty big bag for the 26.500 articles published by ADB ;) But with three volumes of NDB still to come (vol. 1-25: 21.800 artcles) it might take a few years before the Historical Commission has more resources for this project. Anyway Wikidata is collecting all information, so I still don't see any reason why we should ignore this promising project, even if it has (today) a low priority for the German Wikipedia. The Deutsche Biographie is build on a tradition that began in 1875. It is state funded and it will not pass into irrelevance like Open Library or Zeno.org we wasted so much time with. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-06-16T18:04:00.000Z-Gymel-2015-06-16T06:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 16 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>The number of 268.000 is from a press release: What they have been publishing for years is the ADB/NDB combined index consisting of currently 132.000 entries (unlike the ODNB index they provide data also for those persons which are only mentionend in other people's biographies, usually in-laws and distant relatives in the first paragraph of NDB articles). My interpretation of the 268.000 goes like thus: On behalf of their "partners", especially those in the current DFG funded project, they have processed 136.000 additional GND records, i.e. identified them with the partner's resources, improved existing GND records based on the partners data or created completely new ones. Some of them can be retrieved with the query interface of deutsche-biographie.de (I did so for the profession "Höhlenforscher"), they are marked with "Index" or with "Index" and "Partner": What is shown there is data extracted from the GND record plus links to additional web resources based on the GND number, some of these datasets belong to "partners", some not. This is "high quality" of course but I always would prefer to have dedicated wikidata properties for the individual datasets of the "partners" like Bundesarchiv or Portraitindex, deutsche-biographie.de itself is indeed just a grab bag. It might be (as it's certainly the case for their own content ADB and NDB) that accessing deutsche-biographie.de is the closest as one can get to a specific resource. But even then I'd prefer to have a specific property with a <a href="/wiki/Property:P1630" title="Property:P1630">formatter URL (P1630)</a> using deutsche-biographie.de rather than having a DB property and never knowing what will expect me there... -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel">Gymel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gymel" title="User talk:Gymel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Gymel-2015-06-16T23:10:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-06-16T18:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 16 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done A property about <a href="/wiki/Q590208" title="Q590208">Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie (Q590208)</a> and/or <a href="/wiki/Q222784" title="Q222784">Neue Deutsche Biographie (Q222784)</a> is prefered. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-06-17T00:59:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-05-08T17:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 17 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Biblioteca_Nacional_de_Chile_catalogue_number" data-mw-thread-id="h-Biblioteca_Nacional_de_Chile_catalogue_number-2015-05-11T20:11:00.000Z">Biblioteca Nacional de Chile catalogue number</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1966" title="Property:P1966">Biblioteca Nacional de Chile catalogue number</a> (P1966) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1966" title="Property talk:P1966">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td><s>authority control number</s> catalogue number for books (editions), periodical, magazine, map, photography and other media's in the Biblioteca Nacional de Chile</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q19896884" title="Q19896884">Bibliographic Catalog of the National Library of Chile</a> (Q19896884)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><s><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Authority_control" class="extiw" title="commons:Template:Authority control">commons:Template:Authority control</a></s> (not included)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>works in general (photos, books, periodicals, online newspapers, magazines, maps...)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>9 digits, suffixed by another digit</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><<a href="/wiki/Q18445392" title="Q18445392">El Marino (Q18445392)</a>> BNCL <<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.bncatalogo.cl/F?func=direct&local_base=BNC01&doc_number=000512382">000512382</a>></li> <li><<a href="/wiki/Q17118731" title="Q17118731">La Voz de la Región (Q17118731)</a>> BNCL <<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.bncatalogo.cl/F?func=direct&local_base=BNC01&doc_number=001063564">001063564</a>></li> <li><<a href="/wiki/Q7190653" title="Q7190653">Pichilemu (Q7190653)</a>> BNCL <<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.bncatalogo.cl/F?func=direct&local_base=BNC01&doc_number=000506219">000506219</a>></li></ul></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>8 digit number can be validated with edit filter <a href="/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/17" title="Special:AbuseFilter/17">Special:AbuseFilter/17</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Biblioteca Nacional de Chile</td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.bncatalogo.cl/F?func=direct&local_base=BNC01&doc_number=$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> There is a lot of material about Chilean works getting added to Wikipedia each day. It would be beneficial that the Chilean national library be included, so that users automatically are able to access the bibliographic information, not only of books, but also of periodicals, magazines, etc., from Chile and elsewhere. <a href="/wiki/User:Diego_Grez" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Diego Grez">Diego Grez</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diego_Grez" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Diego Grez">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Diego_Grez-2015-05-11T20:11:00.000Z-Biblioteca_Nacional_de_Chile_catalogue_number" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 11 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support -- <a href="/wiki/User:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User:Sergey kudryavtsev">Sergey kudryavtsev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User talk:Sergey kudryavtsev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sergey_kudryavtsev-2015-05-12T09:57:00.000Z-Diego_Grez-2015-05-11T20:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:57, 12 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment I think it's not a work identifier. It's like <a href="/wiki/Property:P1143" title="Property:P1143">BN (Argentine) editions (P1143)</a> a link to a single edition:</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Q3050361" title="Q3050361">Mister President (Q3050361)</a>, 17th ed.: Buenos Aires 1972 <<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.bncatalogo.cl/F?func=direct&local_base=BNC01&doc_number=000227207">000227207</a>></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Q3050361" title="Q3050361">Mister President (Q3050361)</a>, 19ht ed.: Buenos Aires 1973 <<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.bncatalogo.cl/F?func=direct&local_base=BNC01&doc_number=000227208">000227208</a>></dd></dl></dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-05-13T14:16:00.000Z-Diego_Grez-2015-05-11T20:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 13 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: I think it could actually work, why not just point to the earliest edition, or rather add a qualifier to state the ID is of the 1st edition, another for the second, and so on. Newspapers, pictures, movies, recordings, are often (but not always) added only once into the catalog. --<a href="/wiki/User:Diego_Grez" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Diego Grez">Diego Grez</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diego_Grez" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Diego Grez">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Diego_Grez-2015-05-13T18:18:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-05-13T14:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 13 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support @<a href="/wiki/User:Diego_Grez" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Diego Grez"><bdi>Diego Grez</bdi></a>: <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Books">Wikidata:WikiProject Books</a> distinguishes between works and editions. I'm not against this property, but if you want to use for example the id 000227207 you have first to create an item for the 17th ed. I've created <a href="/wiki/Property:P1143" title="Property:P1143">BN (Argentine) editions (P1143)</a> on Feb. 6th and until now it is used only by <a href="/wiki/Q15220486" title="Q15220486">El Señor Presidente (critical edition) (Q15220486)</a> and four more items. If there is no demand for libraries from Latin America (it's up to the Spanish-language Wikipedia) you can always use: <a href="/wiki/Property:P972" title="Property:P972">catalog (P972)</a> with the qualifier <a href="/wiki/Property:P528" title="Property:P528">catalog code (P528)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-05-13T19:11:00.000Z-Diego_Grez-2015-05-11T20:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 13 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Don't worry Kolja21, I'll work toward adding as many authority control IDs as I can. I hope others join me, too. <a href="/wiki/User:Diego_Grez" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Diego Grez">Diego Grez</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diego_Grez" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Diego Grez">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Diego_Grez-2015-05-13T20:46:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-05-13T19:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 13 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@Diego: Sounds good! --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-05-13T22:30:00.000Z-Diego_Grez-2015-05-13T20:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 13 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/15px-BA_candidate.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="16" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/23px-BA_candidate.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/BA_candidate.svg/30px-BA_candidate.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="190" data-file-height="200"/> Weak oppose So firstly this proposal should quickly be renamed into "edition identifier" since the BNC does not collocate works at all.</dd> <dd>And secondly <a href="/wiki/User:Diego_Grez" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Diego Grez">User:Diego Grez</a> intends to use it only for serials. Any other user will either not work with that property at all or use it presumably completely wrong. For me this does not sound particulary "good". I mean, if we had items which (plus page numbers etc.) do serve as reference for claims, then these items indeed are "editions" and could benefit from links into national library catalogues. But usually we do not have these kind of items but rather (seldom enough) items for the works which are in connections to their authors. There are databases on the web concerned with works, but these are usually not library catalogues with their "bibliographic" notices. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel">Gymel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gymel" title="User talk:Gymel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Gymel-2015-05-15T13:25:00.000Z-Diego_Grez-2015-05-11T20:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:25, 15 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>+1. I've changed work identifier to catalogue number (in English). --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-05-15T14:53:00.000Z-Gymel-2015-05-15T13:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 15 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>You are right. Given that the library catalogue only includes a record for each newspaper, magazine, photo, and movies recorded, perhaps we could restrict the use of this property to all but books, which could be split into a separate property identifier, for use in books which have different editions, and have a Wikidata item for each or some. Or simply I am misunderstanding or mixing up stuff hehe --<a href="/wiki/User:Diego_Grez" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Diego Grez">Diego Grez</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Diego_Grez" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Diego Grez">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Diego_Grez-2015-05-15T23:58:00.000Z-Kolja21-2015-05-15T14:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:58, 15 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>For English serials, we would refer to "volume" and "issue" (or sometimes "volume" and "number") rather than "edition" which reflects an editorially revised version of the same text, often with expanded content. Edition shows up for old newspapers, as Morning, Afternoon, Late, or Online. It may also show up for a set of local variations with much shared content. I expect that using "edition" for journals will be counterproductive. <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog">LeadSongDog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LeadSongDog" title="User talk:LeadSongDog">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-LeadSongDog-2015-05-22T16:59:00.000Z-Diego_Grez-2015-05-15T23:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 22 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. This can be used for books too. Just list all the IDs. Later, when separate items are created for each edition, move the IDs to the edition items. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-05-17T22:50:00.000Z-Diego_Grez-2015-05-11T20:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:50, 17 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Diego_Grez" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Diego Grez"><bdi>Diego Grez</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Sergey_kudryavtsev" title="User:Sergey kudryavtsev"><bdi>Sergey kudryavtsev</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel"><bdi>Gymel</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:LeadSongDog" title="User:LeadSongDog"><bdi>LeadSongDog</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: Done.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-26T14:28:00.000Z-Biblioteca_Nacional_de_Chile_catalogue_number" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="National_Library_of_Ireland_authorities" data-mw-thread-id="h-National_Library_of_Ireland_authorities-2015-06-05T15:29:00.000Z">National Library of Ireland authorities</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P1946&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P1946 (page does not exist)">no label</a> (P1946) (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P1946&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property talk:P1946 (page does not exist)">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a>: <a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a> (possibly corporate authors, etc., similar to other authorities)</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>VIAF record</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> It's an authority identifier I've seen showing up in some VIAF records lately. See <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://viaf.org/viaf/44358712/">http://viaf.org/viaf/44358712/</a> and the corresponding N6I record, <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://viaf.org/processed/N6I%7Cvtls000036581">http://viaf.org/processed/N6I%7Cvtls000036581</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hazmat2">Hazmat2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Hazmat2">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Hazmat2-2015-06-05T15:29:00.000Z-National_Library_of_Ireland_authorities" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:29, 5 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:L736E&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:L736E (page does not exist)">L736E</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L736E" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:L736E">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-L736E-2015-06-09T06:56:00.000Z-Hazmat2-2015-06-05T15:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:56, 9 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Accurimbono" title="User:Accurimbono">Accurimbono</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Accurimbono" title="User talk:Accurimbono">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Accurimbono-2015-06-13T09:02:00.000Z-Hazmat2-2015-06-05T15:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:02, 13 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hazmat2"><bdi>Hazmat2</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:L736E&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:L736E (page does not exist)"><bdi>L736E</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Accurimbono" title="User:Accurimbono"><bdi>Accurimbono</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P1946&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P1946 (page does not exist)">P1946 (P1946)</a>. Is there a URL for these? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-13T16:00:00.000Z-National_Library_of_Ireland_authorities" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 13 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: As far as I can tell, there is not as of yet. <a href="/wiki/User:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Hazmat2">Hazmat2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hazmat2" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Hazmat2">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Hazmat2-2015-06-16T14:11:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-13T16:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:11, 16 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Encyclopaedia_Metallum_band_id" data-mw-thread-id="h-Encyclopaedia_Metallum_band_id-2015-06-08T08:46:00.000Z">Encyclopaedia Metallum band id</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1952" title="Property:P1952">Encyclopaedia Metallum band ID</a> (P1952) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1952" title="Property talk:P1952">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier for a band per the Encyclopaedia Metallum</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>music group / musical project</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><code>[1-9]\d{0,}</code></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Encyclopaedia Metallum (a.k.a. the Metal Archives) is a large database for metal music groups and projects (over 100,000 entities, many of them are on Wikipedia), containing basic information on these entities. Entities have their permanent IDs. I think it would be useful as an authority control property. <a href="/wiki/User:Nonexyst" title="User:Nonexyst">Nonexyst</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nonexyst" title="User talk:Nonexyst">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Nonexyst-2015-06-08T08:46:00.000Z-Encyclopaedia_Metallum_band_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:46, 8 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Micru-2015-06-15T09:29:00.000Z-Nonexyst-2015-06-08T08:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:29, 15 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Nonexyst" title="User:Nonexyst"><bdi>Nonexyst</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1952" title="Property:P1952">Encyclopaedia Metallum band ID (P1952)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-16T09:39:00.000Z-Encyclopaedia_Metallum_band_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:39, 16 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Trismegistos_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Trismegistos_ID-2015-06-16T08:41:00.000Z">Trismegistos ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1958" title="Property:P1958">Trismegistos Geo ID</a> (P1958) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1958" title="Property talk:P1958">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2221906" title="Q2221906">geographic location (Q2221906)</a> (place)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>all existing trismegistos identifiers for places</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>will be matched with Mix'n'match as Pleiades IDs</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td>--<a href="/wiki/User:Pietromarialiuzzo" title="User:Pietromarialiuzzo">Pietromarialiuzzo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pietromarialiuzzo" title="User talk:Pietromarialiuzzo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pietromarialiuzzo-2015-06-16T08:41:00.000Z-Trismegistos_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:41, 16 June 2015 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> As there is a property to give a Pleiades identifier (P1584) to ancient places there might be also a Trismegistos one. The two gazeteers of ancient places overlap but have different data and both ids would be a good authority control compared to just one. <a href="/wiki/User:Pietromarialiuzzo" title="User:Pietromarialiuzzo">Pietromarialiuzzo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pietromarialiuzzo" title="User talk:Pietromarialiuzzo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pietromarialiuzzo-2015-06-16T08:41:00.000Z-Trismegistos_ID-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:41, 16 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Pietromarialiuzzo" title="User:Pietromarialiuzzo"><bdi>Pietromarialiuzzo</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1958" title="Property:P1958">Trismegistos Geo ID (P1958)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-25T08:59:00.000Z-Trismegistos_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:59, 25 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: Thanks a lot!</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Dutch_Senate_person_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dutch_Senate_person_identifier-2015-06-16T19:12:00.000Z">Dutch Senate person identifier</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1959" title="Property:P1959">Dutch Senate person ID</a> (P1959) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1959" title="Property talk:P1959">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td>persons</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.eerstekamer.nl/alle_leden">current</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.eerstekamer.nl/oud_leden?dlgid=jutsnmx1jjpax&s01=jutsnmwrvy3dqc&_charset_=UTF-8&u1a=#p1">former</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>maybe mix-n-match</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Official site of the Dutch Senate, trustful source for statements. <a href="/wiki/User:Sjoerddebruin" title="User:Sjoerddebruin">Sjoerd de Bruin</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sjoerddebruin" title="User talk:Sjoerddebruin">(talk)</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Sjoerddebruin-2015-06-16T19:12:00.000Z-Dutch_Senate_person_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 16 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Sjoerddebruin" title="User:Sjoerddebruin"><bdi>Sjoerddebruin</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1959" title="Property:P1959">Dutch Senate person ID (P1959)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-25T09:05:00.000Z-Dutch_Senate_person_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:05, 25 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BoxRec_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-BoxRec_ID-2015-06-18T20:08:00.000Z">BoxRec ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1967" title="Property:P1967">BoxRec boxer ID</a> (P1967) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1967" title="Property talk:P1967">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>Various, in 17 languages, in <a href="/wiki/Q6724764" title="Q6724764">Template:BoxRec (Q6724764)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Instances of <a href="/wiki/Q13382286" class="mw-redirect" title="Q13382286">boxer (Q13382286)</a> and its subclasses</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Integers</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Widely used. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-18T20:08:00.000Z-BoxRec_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:JeanBono" class="mw-redirect" title="User:JeanBono"><bdi>JeanBono</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1967" title="Property:P1967">BoxRec boxer ID (P1967)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-26T14:37:00.000Z-BoxRec_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 26 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="INEGI_locality_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-INEGI_locality_identifier-2015-06-22T15:15:00.000Z">INEGI locality identifier</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1976" title="Property:P1976">INEGI locality ID</a> (P1976) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1976" title="Property talk:P1976">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>Wikipedia infobox parameters, if any; ex: "código" in <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:Ficha_de_localidad" class="extiw" title="es:Plantilla:Ficha de localidad">es:Plantilla:Ficha de localidad</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q20202352" title="Q20202352">locality of Mexico (Q20202352)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>external reference, Wikipedia list article, etc.</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Not sure. But data can be imported from Spanish Wikipedia</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Authority control for localities of Mexico (third-level entities, below the municipalities of Mexico) <a href="/wiki/User:Eldizzino" title="User:Eldizzino">Eldizzino</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eldizzino" title="User talk:Eldizzino">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Eldizzino-2015-06-22T15:15:00.000Z-INEGI_locality_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 22 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Eldizzino" title="User:Eldizzino"><bdi>Eldizzino</bdi></a>: Please provide an example. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-22T20:41:00.000Z-INEGI_locality_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 22 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: Thanks. Done above and link here: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.microrregiones.gob.mx/catloc/contenido.aspx?refnac=310380004">http://www.microrregiones.gob.mx/catloc/contenido.aspx?refnac=310380004</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Eldizzino" title="User:Eldizzino">Eldizzino</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Eldizzino" title="User talk:Eldizzino">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Eldizzino-2015-06-22T20:51:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-22T20:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 22 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Eldizzino" title="User:Eldizzino"><bdi>Eldizzino</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1976" title="Property:P1976">INEGI locality ID (P1976)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-06T17:45:00.000Z-INEGI_locality_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:45, 6 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="lesarchivesduspectacle_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-lesarchivesduspectacle_ID-2015-06-23T08:12:00.000Z">lesarchivesduspectacle ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1977" title="Property:P1977">The Performing Arts Archive person ID</a> (P1977) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1977" title="Property talk:P1977">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Instances of <a href="/wiki/Q33999" title="Q33999">actor (Q33999)</a> and its subclasses</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Integers</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> lesarchivesduspectacle.net is a large and usefull database on actors/actresses. <a href="/wiki/User:JeanBono" class="mw-redirect" title="User:JeanBono">JeanBono</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JeanBono" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:JeanBono">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-JeanBono-2015-06-23T08:12:00.000Z-lesarchivesduspectacle_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:12, 23 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:JeanBono" class="mw-redirect" title="User:JeanBono"><bdi>JeanBono</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1977" title="Property:P1977">The Performing Arts Archive person ID (P1977)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-06T17:58:00.000Z-lesarchivesduspectacle_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 6 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="NDB_number" data-mw-thread-id="h-NDB_number-2015-06-27T17:13:00.000Z">NDB number</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1978" title="Property:P1978">USDA NDB number</a> (P1978) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1978" title="Property talk:P1978">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td>food items</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>number (highest existing is 43218 so far)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q131480" title="Q131480">Camembert (Q131480)</a> → 01007</td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>number</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Mix'N'Match support would be nice to link them quickly</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Getting nutrient values for common foods. <a href="/wiki/User:Teolemon" title="User:Teolemon">Teolemon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Teolemon" title="User talk:Teolemon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Teolemon-2015-06-27T17:13:00.000Z-NDB_number" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Elf_Pavlik&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Elf Pavlik (page does not exist)">Elf Pavlik</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Elf_Pavlik&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Elf Pavlik (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Elf_Pavlik-2015-07-05T17:46:00.000Z-NDB_number" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 5 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/> Comment NDB stands for <a href="/wiki/Q222784" title="Q222784">Neue Deutsche Biographie (Q222784)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q6038170" title="Q6038170">Template:NDB (Q6038170)</a>. Please use a title that is not ambiguous like "USDA NDB". --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Kolja21-2015-07-05T18:16:00.000Z-Elf_Pavlik-2015-07-05T17:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 5 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Teolemon" title="User:Teolemon"><bdi>Teolemon</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Elf_Pavlik&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Elf Pavlik (page does not exist)"><bdi>Elf Pavlik</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1978" title="Property:P1978">USDA NDB number (P1978)</a>. Note improved formatter URL; datatype. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-06T18:19:00.000Z-NDB_number" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 6 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="The_Righteous_Among_The_Nations" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Righteous_Among_The_Nations-2015-06-29T17:29:00.000Z">The Righteous Among The Nations</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1979" title="Property:P1979">Righteous Among The Nations ID</a> (P1979) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1979" title="Property talk:P1979">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Integers</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> The Righteous Among The Nations is an award for people rescuing other people during the WWII. The database can be requested from the web to verify identities. <a href="/wiki/User:JeanBono" class="mw-redirect" title="User:JeanBono">JeanBono</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JeanBono" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:JeanBono">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-JeanBono-2015-06-29T17:29:00.000Z-The_Righteous_Among_The_Nations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 29 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support. Would be valuable for the EHRI2 project (I'm right now at the kickoff meeting). --<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-06-30T09:35:00.000Z-The_Righteous_Among_The_Nations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:35, 30 June 2015 (UTC)</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:JeanBono" class="mw-redirect" title="User:JeanBono"><bdi>JeanBono</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev"><bdi>Vladimir Alexiev</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1979" title="Property:P1979">Righteous Among The Nations ID (P1979)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-06T18:28:00.000Z-The_Righteous_Among_The_Nations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="MCN_code" data-mw-thread-id="h-MCN_code-2015-07-02T17:04:00.000Z">MCN code</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1987" title="Property:P1987">MCN code</a> (P1987) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1987" title="Property talk:P1987">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td>exportable/importable goods</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>8 digits, full stop sign allowed, structured <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.desenvolvimento.gov.br/sitio/interna/interna.php?area=5&menu=1090#Estrutura">hierarchically</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Full list <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.mdic.gov.br//sitio/interna/interna.php?area=5&menu=3361">here</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.mdic.gov.br//arquivos/dwnl_1435608575.xls">English version in .xls</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Q10337289" title="Q10337289">Mercosur Common Nomenclature (Q10337289)</a> is a system mainained by <a href="/wiki/Q4264" title="Q4264">Mercosur (Q4264)</a> to standardize trade in the region. It is very structured and can be useful in Wikidata. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pikolas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pikolas (page does not exist)">Pikolas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pikolas" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Pikolas">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pikolas-2015-07-02T17:04:00.000Z-MCN_code" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pikolas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pikolas (page does not exist)"><bdi>Pikolas</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1987" title="Property:P1987">MCN code (P1987)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-10T16:48:00.000Z-MCN_code" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 10 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Delarge_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Delarge_ID-2015-07-03T00:47:00.000Z">Delarge ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1988" title="Property:P1988">Le Delarge artist ID</a> (P1988) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1988" title="Property talk:P1988">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>attributs d'infobox de Wikipédia, s'il en existe ; par exemple : « population » dans <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Infobox_Subdivision_administrative" class="extiw" title="fr:Modèle:Infobox Subdivision administrative">fr:Modèle:Infobox Subdivision administrative</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>32 character Universally Unique Identifier</td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>(exemple : 7 chiffres peuvent être validés avec le filtre d'édition <a href="/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/17" title="Special:AbuseFilter/17">Special:AbuseFilter/17</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fr:Le_Delarge" class="extiw" title="w:fr:Le Delarge">Le Delarge</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.ledelarge.fr/index.php?PHPSESSID=aa6ba1d535d90f1970458a209cd26222">online edition</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Devrait-il y avoir ou existe-t-il des bots ou des gadgets qui effectueront des tâches avec cette propriété? Par exemple: vérifier les autres propriétés afin d'être cohérent, collecter des données, automatiser un lien externe, etc.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Q20056651" title="Q20056651">Le Delarge</a> is an Art dictionnary written in French where you can find biographies of worldwide contemporary artists. This property can be seen as an authority control. <a href="/wiki/User:Genium" title="User:Genium">genium</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Genium" title="User talk:Genium"><big><big>⟨✉⟩</big></big></a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Genium-2015-07-03T00:47:00.000Z-Delarge_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:47, 3 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Genium" title="User:Genium"><bdi>Genium</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done. Note correct example. <a href="/wiki/Property:P1988" title="Property:P1988">Le Delarge artist ID (P1988)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-11T13:47:00.000Z-Delarge_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:47, 11 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Encyclopaedia_Metallum_artist_id" data-mw-thread-id="h-Encyclopaedia_Metallum_artist_id-2015-07-03T22:45:00.000Z">Encyclopaedia Metallum artist id</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1989" title="Property:P1989">Encyclopaedia Metallum artist ID</a> (P1989) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1989" title="Property talk:P1989">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5" title="Q5">human (Q5)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Property:P1952" title="Property:P1952">Encyclopaedia Metallum band ID (P1952)</a> was added for bands, but that doesn't cover members of bands, because bands and artists have separate ID spaces on metal-archives.com, e.g. <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/-/2073">http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/-/2073</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/-/2073">http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/-/2073</a> refer to different things. <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Nikki-2015-07-03T22:45:00.000Z-Encyclopaedia_Metallum_artist_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:45, 3 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Nonexyst" title="User:Nonexyst"><bdi>Nonexyst</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>: Pinging you both since you proposed/supported the band identifier. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Nikki-2015-07-03T22:46:00.000Z-Encyclopaedia_Metallum_artist_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 3 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pikolas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pikolas (page does not exist)">Pikolas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pikolas" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Pikolas">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pikolas-2015-07-04T01:05:00.000Z-Nikki-2015-07-03T22:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:05, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki"><bdi>Nikki</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Nonexyst" title="User:Nonexyst"><bdi>Nonexyst</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pikolas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pikolas (page does not exist)"><bdi>Pikolas</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1989" title="Property:P1989">Encyclopaedia Metallum artist ID (P1989)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-11T13:54:00.000Z-Encyclopaedia_Metallum_artist_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 11 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="AllMusic_composition_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-AllMusic_composition_ID-2015-07-04T08:11:00.000Z">AllMusic composition ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1994" title="Property:P1994">AllMusic composition ID</a> (P1994) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1994" title="Property talk:P1994">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q207628" title="Q207628">composed musical work (Q207628)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q31181" title="Q31181">AllMusic (Q31181)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q14005" title="Q14005">MusicBrainz (Q14005)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> We added <a href="/wiki/Property:P1730" title="Property:P1730">AllMusic song ID (P1730)</a> for songs (which they seem to use for popular music), but we're missing a property for compositions (which they seem to use for classical music). - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Nikki-2015-07-04T08:11:00.000Z-AllMusic_composition_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:11, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Stryn" title="User:Stryn"><bdi>Stryn</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: Pinging you since you proposed/supported the song ID property. - <a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki">Nikki</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nikki" title="User talk:Nikki">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Nikki-2015-07-04T08:11:00.000Z-AllMusic_composition_ID-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:11, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:Nikki" title="User:Nikki"><bdi>Nikki</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Stryn" title="User:Stryn"><bdi>Stryn</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1994" title="Property:P1994">AllMusic composition ID (P1994)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-13T13:43:00.000Z-AllMusic_composition_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 13 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="DBI" data-mw-thread-id="h-DBI-2015-07-04T22:22:00.000Z">DBI</h3></div> Can be used as sort of (supplement to) authority control, but it's actually a reference work: see <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/References#Dizionario_Biografico_degli_Italiani_(DBI)" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/References">Wikidata:Property_proposal/References#Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani (DBI)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Federico_Leva_(BEIC)" title="User:Federico Leva (BEIC)">Federico Leva (BEIC)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Federico_Leva_(BEIC)" title="User talk:Federico Leva (BEIC)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Federico_Leva_(BEIC)-2015-07-04T22:22:00.000Z-DBI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:22, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"/> Not done Insufficient detail; linked discussion is missing. presumably refers to <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#Dizionario_Biografico_degli_Italiani_(DBI)">Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/32#Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani (DBI)</a>, which was created as <a href="/wiki/Property:P1986" title="Property:P1986">Treccani's Biographical Dictionary of Italian People ID (P1986)</a>. @<a href="/wiki/User:Federico_Leva_(BEIC)" title="User:Federico Leva (BEIC)"><bdi>Federico Leva (BEIC)</bdi></a>: Would you like to try again? Let me know if you need help. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-08T09:04:00.000Z-DBI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 8 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><a class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/References&diff=prev&oldid=226299858">Permalink</a>. It was already archived; all done here. --<a href="/wiki/User:Federico_Leva_(BEIC)" title="User:Federico Leva (BEIC)">Federico Leva (BEIC)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Federico_Leva_(BEIC)" title="User talk:Federico Leva (BEIC)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Federico_Leva_(BEIC)-2015-07-08T13:54:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-08T09:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 8 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="NALT_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-NALT_identifier-2015-07-18T22:29:00.000Z">NALT identifier</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2004" title="Property:P2004">NALT ID</a> (P2004) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2004" title="Property talk:P2004">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q17364107" title="Q17364107">National Agricultural Library Thesaurus</a> (Q17364107)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>none</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>subject categories of <a href="/wiki/Q4651693" title="Q4651693">AGRICOLA (Q4651693)</a>, Food Safety Research Information Office (FSRIO) and <a href="/wiki/Q4693998" title="Q4693998">Agriculture Network Information Center (Q4693998)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>\d+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q72313" title="Q72313">electric motor (Q72313)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://lod.nal.usda.gov/nalt/36163">36163</a></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>[1-9][0-9]*</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://agclass.nal.usda.gov/dne/search.shtml">Search Page of the NAL Agricultural Thesaurus</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://lod.nal.usda.gov/nalt/$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Designed to meet the needs of <a href="/wiki/Q501542" title="Q501542">United States Department of Agriculture (Q501542)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q2827151" title="Q2827151">Agricultural Research Service (Q2827151)</a>. Also used by <a href="/wiki/Q3718734" title="Q3718734">Economic Research Service (Q3718734)</a>. Already linked to by LCAuth/LCSH, e.g., "electric motors" link from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://id.loc.gov/authorities/subjects/sh85041835.html">Electric motors</a> under "Exact Matching Concepts from Other Schemes" section. <a href="/wiki/User:Uzume" title="User:Uzume">Uzume</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Uzume" title="User talk:Uzume">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Uzume-2015-07-18T22:29:00.000Z-NALT_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:29, 18 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Uzume" title="User:Uzume"><bdi>Uzume</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P2004" title="Property:P2004">NALT ID (P2004)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-25T20:33:00.000Z-NALT_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 25 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Cooper-Hewitt_Person_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cooper-Hewitt_Person_ID-2015-07-20T11:33:00.000Z">Cooper-Hewitt Person ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2011" title="Property:P2011">Cooper-Hewitt person ID</a> (P2011) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2011" title="Property talk:P2011">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Person</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> The Cooper-Hewitt museum maintains a list of People (as subjects or creators within their collection), along with concordances to other IDs. Adding this property allows it to be added to People with an ID in their collection to assist findability of items in their collection, as well as potentially other IDs. – <bdi lang="en">The preceding <a href="/wiki/Q4663253" title="Q4663253">unsigned</a> comment was added by <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User:Frankieroberto" title="User:Frankieroberto">Frankieroberto</a></bdi> (<bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Frankieroberto" title="User talk:Frankieroberto">talk</a></bdi> • <bdi lang=""><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Frankieroberto" title="Special:Contributions/Frankieroberto">contribs</a></bdi>) at <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Frankieroberto-2015-07-20T11:33:00.000Z-Cooper-Hewitt_Person_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:33, 20 July 2015‎ (UTC)</a>.</bdi> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Frankieroberto" title="User:Frankieroberto"><bdi>Frankieroberto</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P2011" title="Property:P2011">Cooper-Hewitt person ID (P2011)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-27T20:42:00.000Z-Cooper-Hewitt_Person_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 27 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="MoMA_artwork_id" data-mw-thread-id="h-MoMA_artwork_id-2015-07-30T13:52:00.000Z">MoMA artwork id</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2014" title="Property:P2014">Museum of Modern Art work ID</a> (P2014) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2014" title="Property talk:P2014">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td>artwork at MoMA</td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>number of variable length</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td><a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/?mode=catalog_details&catalog=82">Already on Mix'n'match</a>, awaiting property creation</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> They put their entire catalog on github as CSV, under CC-0. Prime example of how openness creates value for everyone. <a href="/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske" title="User:Magnus Manske">Magnus Manske</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Magnus_Manske" title="User talk:Magnus Manske">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Magnus_Manske-2015-07-30T13:52:00.000Z-MoMA_artwork_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:52, 30 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske" title="User:Magnus Manske"><bdi>Magnus Manske</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P2014" title="Property:P2014">Museum of Modern Art work ID (P2014)</a> - I've applied the "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:IAR" class="extiw" title="en:WP:IAR">ignore all rules</a>" principle and speedily created this straightforward property, in order that work on adding data from <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://medium.com/digital-moma/thousands-of-exhausted-things-or-why-we-dedicated-moma-s-collection-data-to-the-public-domain-7e0a7165e99">MOMaA's recent release of metadata</a> using Mix'n'match can begin immediately and we can capitalise on publicity surrounding this development. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-30T14:04:00.000Z-MoMA_artwork_id" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 30 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote_oversat.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Strong oppose this is just an <a href="/wiki/Property:P217" title="Property:P217">inventory number</a>. As you can see on <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings/Location/United_States_4" title="Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Location/United States 4">this page</a>, we already have over 2000 of their works on Wikidata. Creating a new property for this is completely redundant. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Multichill-2015-07-30T19:48:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-30T14:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 30 July 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="PolSys_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-PolSys_ID-2015-06-23T16:08:00.000Z">PolSys ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P1980" title="Property:P1980">PolSys ID</a> (P1980) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1980" title="Property talk:P1980">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>Parameter 1 in <a href="https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal:PolSys" class="extiw" title="no:Mal:PolSys">no:Mal:PolSys</a> and <a href="https://nn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal:PolSys" class="extiw" title="nn:Mal:PolSys">nn:Mal:PolSys</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>people</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>[0-9]+</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>My bot can import the values from nowiki and nnwiki</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> This is a database of Norwegian politicians of all kind, and the template linking to it is used in hundreds of articles already. <a href="/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User:Jon Harald Søby">Jon Harald Søby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User talk:Jon Harald Søby">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-2015-06-23T16:08:00.000Z-PolSys_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 23 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Filceolaire-2015-06-27T02:37:00.000Z-PolSys_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:37, 27 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support checks out. <a href="/wiki/User:Antrocent" title="User:Antrocent">Antrocent</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antrocent" title="User talk:Antrocent">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Antrocent-2015-06-29T06:24:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-06-27T02:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:24, 29 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User:Jon Harald Søby"><bdi>Jon Harald Søby</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Antrocent" title="User:Antrocent"><bdi>Antrocent</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P1980" title="Property:P1980">PolSys ID (P1980)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-06T19:01:00.000Z-PolSys_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 6 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="parliament.uk_bio_link" data-mw-thread-id="h-parliament.uk_bio_link-2015-06-20T13:32:00.000Z">parliament.uk bio link</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935"><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P1996&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P1996 (page does not exist)">no label</a> (P1996) (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P1996&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property talk:P1996 (page does not exist)">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td>members of both Houses of Parliament</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>external reference, Wikipedia article, some can be extracted from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:UK_MP_links" class="extiw" title="w:Template:UK MP links">Template:UK MP links</a> or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:UK_Peer_links" class="extiw" title="w:Template:UK Peer links">Template:UK Peer links</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> To allow easy reference for MPs and Peers, like <a href="/wiki/Property:P1157" title="Property:P1157">US Congress Bio ID (P1157)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1186" title="Property:P1186">MEP directory ID (P1186)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1214" title="Property:P1214">Riksdagen person-ID (P1214)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Rock_drum" title="User:Rock drum">Rock drum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rock_drum" title="User talk:Rock drum">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Rock_drum-2015-06-20T13:32:00.000Z-parliament.uk_bio_link" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 20 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li>The unique identifier in <a href="/wiki/User:Rock_drum" title="User:Rock drum">User:Rock drum</a>'s example seems to be "1467". It would be worth finding our whether there is a formatter URL that will work from just that. I'll ask my contacts at the HoP. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-20T17:32:00.000Z-Rock_drum-2015-06-20T13:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 20 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Note: the parliamentary webmaster has confirmed in email that "1467" (etc.) is indeed a unique ID, but that they do not offer a URL format which will resolve such IDs :-( <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-16T11:28:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-06-20T17:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:28, 16 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li>Move this proposal to the Person proposal page or the Authority proposal page. Avoid to disperse the proposals and if someone can delete this page we will be able to concentrate the proposals. Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Snipre-2015-06-22T12:41:00.000Z-Rock_drum-2015-06-20T13:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:41, 22 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li>Note: moved from <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/References" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/References">Wikidata:Property proposal/References</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Rock_drum" title="User:Rock drum">Rock drum</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rock_drum" title="User talk:Rock drum">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Rock_drum-2015-06-28T20:39:00.000Z-Rock_drum-2015-06-20T13:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 28 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> Support, sounds sensible. <a href="/wiki/User:Jdforrester" title="User:Jdforrester">James F.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jdforrester" title="User talk:Jdforrester">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/32#c-Jdforrester-2015-06-29T19:38:00.000Z-Rock_drum-2015-06-20T13:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 29 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Rock_drum" title="User:Rock drum"><bdi>Rock drum</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jdforrester" title="User:Jdforrester"><bdi>Jdforrester</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/> Done <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P1996&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P1996 (page does not exist)">P1996 (P1996)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a 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