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Substantial changes should first be proposed and discussed here on this page. If the proposal is uncontroversial or has been discussed and is supported by <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a>, editors may use {{<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Edit_template-protected?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Edit template-protected">edit template-protected</a>}} to notify an administrator or template editor to make the requested edit. Usually, any contributor may edit the template's <b><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-meta/doc?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-meta/doc">documentation</a></b> to add usage notes or <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Help:Category?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Help:Category">categories</a>. <p>Any contributor may edit the template's <b><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-meta/sandbox?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-meta/sandbox">sandbox</a></b>. Functionality of the template can be checked using <b><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-meta/testcases?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-meta/testcases">test cases</a></b>.</p> <div style="padding:0.5em"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1127644699">.mw-parser-output #request_edit_inputbox .commentboxInput,.mw-parser-output #request_edit_inputbox br{display:none}</style> <div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""> <form name="commentbox" class="commentbox mw-inputbox-form" action="/w/index.php" method="get" id="request_edit_inputbox"> <input type="hidden" value="edit" name="action"><input type="hidden" value="Template:Request edit button/preload" name="preload"><input type="hidden" value="Edit template-protected" name="preloadparams[]"> <div class="cdx-text-input"> <input type="hidden" name="preloadtitle" class="mw-inputbox-input commentboxInput cdx-text-input__input" value="Edit request {{subst:#time:j F Y}}" placeholder="" size="50" dir="ltr"> </div><input type="hidden" value="new" name="section"><input type="hidden" value="Template talk:Db-meta" name="title"><br><input type="submit" name="create" value="Request edit" class="cdx-button cdx-button--action-progressive cdx-button--weight-primary"> </form> </div> </div></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"> <table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Fairytale_key_enter.png?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Fairytale_key_enter.png/40px-Fairytale_key_enter.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Fairytale_key_enter.png/60px-Fairytale_key_enter.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Fairytale_key_enter.png 2x" data-file-width="64" data-file-height="64"></a></span></td> <td class="mbox-text">To help <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Centralized_talk_pages" title="Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines">centralize</a> discussions and keep related topics together, all <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Category:Speedy_deletion_templates?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Category:Speedy deletion templates">speedy deletion template</a> talk pages redirect here. If you are here to discuss one of the db-* (delete because) templates, please be sure to identify which one. For discussions on each individual template prior to July 2008, see the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Help:Page_history?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Help:Page history">histories</a> of each talk page. For discussions about the template for criterion G1 from March 2004, see <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template_talk:Db-g1/Archive_1?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template talk:Db-g1/Archive 1">Template talk:Db-g1/Archive 1</a>.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"> <table class="box-Notice plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/40px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x,https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/80px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"></span></span></td> <td class="mbox-text" style="text-align: left;">This talk page is for discussion about the CSD templates themselves (technical questions, maintenance, etc.) <strong>Discussions about any CSD <em>criteria</em> (adding, removing, amending, etc.), should take place at <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion">Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion</a>, instead.</strong></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p class="mw-empty-elt"></p> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"> <input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" 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href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#Template-protected_edit_request_on_24_November_2024"><span class="tocnumber">10</span> <span class="toctext">Template-protected edit request on 24 November 2024</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(1)"> <span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span> <h2 id="Edit_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_request-20240410192700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_request-20240410192700"></span>Edit request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_request-20240410192700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Db-meta&action=edit&section=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Edit request" class="cdx-button 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel">Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Primefac-20240410200700-TheTechie-20240410192700">8 months ago</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel">2 comments</span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel">2 people in discussion</span> </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-1 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-1"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheTechie-20240410192700-Edit_request"></span> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"> <table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 30px;height: 30px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="30" data-height="30" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span></td> <td class="mbox-text">This <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p>Change db-g7 to the following:</p> <table class="diff" style="width:100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" style="width: 2%; padding: 0.25em; font-weight: bold;font-size: 1.25em; text-align: end;">−</td> <td class="diff-deletedline" style="border-color: var(--background-color-content-removed,#ffe49c); vertical-align:top; width: 48%; border-style: solid; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.33em 0.5em; color: inherit; font-size: 1em; font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; -webkit-border-end-width: 1px; -webkit-border-start-width: 4px; -moz-border-end-width: 1px; -moz-border-start-width: 4px;"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word; direction: ltr;"> If this project page does not meet the criteria for speedy <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-removed,#ffe49c); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;">deletion,</del> please remove this notice. </div></td> <td style="width: 2%; padding: 0.25em; font-weight: bold;font-size: 1.25em; text-align: end;">+</td> <td class="diff-addedline" style="border-color: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); vertical-align:top; width: 48%; border-style: solid; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.33em 0.5em; color: inherit; font-size: 1em; font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; -webkit-border-end-width: 1px; -webkit-border-start-width: 4px; -moz-border-end-width: 1px; -moz-border-start-width: 4px;"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word; direction: ltr;"> If this project page does not meet the criteria for speedy <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;">deletion</ins> <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;"></ins> <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;">and</ins> <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;"></ins> <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;">you</ins> <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;"></ins> <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;">are</ins> <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;"></ins> <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;">an</ins> <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;"></ins> <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;">administrator,</ins> please remove this notice. </div></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p>Reason: lots of non-admins following this and removing CSD templates. Feel free to make this change on all templates that have this issue. Thanks --- <span style="background:black; color: white"><span style="color:LimeGreen"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:TheTechie?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:TheTechie"><span style="color:Lime">thetechie@wikimedia</span></a></span>: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:TheTechie?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:TheTechie"><span style="color:DodgerBlue">~/talk/</span></a> <span style="color:White">$</span></span> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-TheTechie-20240410192700-Edit_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheTechie-20240410192700-Edit_request"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheTechie-20240410192700-Edit_request"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20240410200700-TheTechie-20240410192700"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 20px;height: 20px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="20" data-height="20" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/30px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> G7 can be declined by anyone, as it is "user requested". There is no mandate for an administrator to be the only one that can decline this nomination type. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Primefac?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Primefac?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Primefac-20240410200700-TheTechie-20240410192700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20240410200700-TheTechie-20240410192700"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20240410200700-TheTechie-20240410192700"></span> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(2)"> <span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span> <h2 id="Add_clickable_icon" data-mw-thread-id="h-Add_clickable_icon-20240429200100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Add_clickable_icon-20240429200100"></span>Add clickable icon<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Add_clickable_icon-20240429200100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Db-meta&action=edit&section=2&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Add clickable icon" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id="ooui-php-44" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label"></span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator"></span></a></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel">Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Redrose64-20240430182800-Nyttend-20240430104600">7 months ago</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel">9 comments</span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel">7 people in discussion</span> </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nyttend-20240429200100-Add_clickable_icon"></span>Over at Commons, speedy-deletion tags have a nice large clickable icon of a rubbish bin, which when clicked, sends you directly to the deletion tab for the page, with the rationale prefilled. It's comparable to what you get when you click "deletion" in the phrase <i>Administrators: check links, talk, history (last), and logs before deletion.</i> However, it's much larger and easier to click, and for people using touchscreens, I suppose it's much easier to select without accidentally selecting some other link.</p> <p>Could such a clickable icon be added to this template, too? I don't see a downside.</p> <p>While I was a Commons admin (lost my rights there and here, due to inactivity), I performed virtually all speedy deletions by clicking this button, and it was a reason that I did more speedy deletions there than here. Now that I've regained rights here, I'm finding speedy deletions more awkward than over there, since I have to click a little in-text link instead of getting a big icon, and (unlike when clicking the "delete" tab), I know for certain that I'll be given a prefilled rationale. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nyttend?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Nyttend">Nyttend</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Nyttend?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Nyttend">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Nyttend-20240429200100-Add_clickable_icon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nyttend-20240429200100-Add_clickable_icon"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nyttend-20240429200100-Add_clickable_icon"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-20240429211700-Nyttend-20240429200100"></span>I rely on Twinkle to do this for me but agree there's no reason it couldn't be built into the template itself. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Barkeep49?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Barkeep49-20240429211700-Nyttend-20240429200100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-20240429211700-Nyttend-20240429200100"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-20240429211700-Nyttend-20240429200100"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20240430112400-Barkeep49-20240429211700"></span>I will also note for the record that the <code>More > Delete</code> option also pre-fills if there is a CSD tag on the page. Additionally, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Ale_jrb/Scripts/csdhelper.js?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Ale jrb/Scripts/csdhelper.js">CSDHelper</a> also exists. If folks really want to add a button, I'm not strictly opposed, but we do have a ton of two-click options already available... do we really need a one-click option? (as a minor point, as I wrote out that last sentence it occurred to me that one-click deletion might cause more accidental deletions, similar to how people <i>constantly</i> are accidentally rolling folks back) <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Primefac?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Primefac?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Primefac-20240430112400-Barkeep49-20240429211700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:24, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20240430112400-Barkeep49-20240429211700"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20240430112400-Barkeep49-20240429211700"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thryduulf-20240430012800-Nyttend-20240429200100"></span>I can see two potential issues: <ol> <li>will making the link to deletion more prominent encourage admins to delete without taking the time to verify that the rationale is actually correct?</li> <li>Are there any accessibility issues?</li> </ol> </dd> <dd> The second should be easy to answer, but I don't know about the first. We already have a lot more bad speedy deletions than we should have (I think it's <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Pppery?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Pppery">Pppery</a> who keeps track of these more than anyone else) so we want to incentivise proper reviews rather than ease of deletion, but I don't know whether making the deletion tab easier to reach will make any difference. Off-hand I can't think of any easy way to get an answer to that question. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Thryduulf?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Thryduulf">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Thryduulf-20240430012800-Nyttend-20240429200100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thryduulf-20240430012800-Nyttend-20240429200100"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thryduulf-20240430012800-Nyttend-20240429200100"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-20240430013300-Thryduulf-20240430012800"></span>I think those of us who are going to be lazy admins are going to be lazy admins no matter whether they have to click a button, a "before deleting" link, or even there being no link in the template at all and instead manually having to select "more -> delete" (which is what I do when processing speedy deletions). On the other hand I'm not convinced of the value because in the vast majority of cases (but admittedly not all) the amount of time it takes to determine whether the page is speedy deletable greatly exceeds that required to physically carry out the deletion. So, I have no opinion on this. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Pppery?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Pppery?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub></a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Pppery-20240430013300-Thryduulf-20240430012800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-20240430013300-Thryduulf-20240430012800"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-20240430013300-Thryduulf-20240430012800"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nyttend-20240430104700-Pppery-20240430013300"></span>Accessibility — I don't think this matters. If you can't see the icon, you'll continue performing deletions as you've always done; I'm asking for an extra way to delete, without removing anything that's currently there. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nyttend?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Nyttend">Nyttend</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Nyttend?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Nyttend">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Nyttend-20240430104700-Pppery-20240430013300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nyttend-20240430104700-Pppery-20240430013300"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nyttend-20240430104700-Pppery-20240430013300"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kusma-20240430074700-Nyttend-20240429200100"></span>The main issue I see (and the main difference to Commons) is that you can't possibly decide whether to delete a page without looking at the history. (There are a few exceptions like <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#C1" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">WP:CSD#C1</a>). This is easier on Commons where at least the file history is visible without clicking an extra link. So the "delete" button should not be any easier to access than "history". (Personally, I wish there was a way to delete a page from the history that still pre-fills the rationale). —<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Kusma?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Kusma">Kusma</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Kusma?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Kusma">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Kusma-20240430074700-Nyttend-20240429200100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kusma-20240430074700-Nyttend-20240429200100"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kusma-20240430074700-Nyttend-20240429200100"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nyttend-20240430104600-Kusma-20240430074700"></span>I haven't done much deletion since regaining admin rights, but if I remember rightly from previous years, there are some situations where clicking the "delete" link in the template gives a better rationale than clicking the "delete" tab at the top of the page, even when you're on the page itself and not somewhere else, like "history". (I clearly remember consistently using the "delete" link, to the exclusion of the "delete" tab, and I can't imagine why I'd do this if both work equally well.) Does this sound right, or do you think I'm imagining something? <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nyttend?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Nyttend">Nyttend</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Nyttend?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Nyttend">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Nyttend-20240430104600-Kusma-20240430074700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nyttend-20240430104600-Kusma-20240430074700"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nyttend-20240430104600-Kusma-20240430074700"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-20240430182800-Nyttend-20240430104600"></span>Yes, the "delete" tab takes you to the vanilla Special:Delete page with only the page name filled in. All (or possibly most) of the speedy deletion templates include a link that includes a preconstructed deletion rationale passed through the <code>wpReason=</code> parameter of the URL query string. It should be possible to make the icon's link do exactly the same thing. On the matter of making an icon clickable, we would need to choose an icon that is copyright-free, ot has a license that does not require attribution. This is because images having licenses that require attribution (such as <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/CC_BY?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="CC BY">CC BY</a>) must allow you to reach the file description page so that the license and creator's details may be examined. --<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Redrose64?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Redrose64-20240430182800-Nyttend-20240430104600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span 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</dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)"> <span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span> <h2 id="Db-g7_edit_request_4_May_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Db-g7_edit_request_4_May_2024-20240504101900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Db-g7_edit_request_4_May_2024-20240504101900"></span>Db-g7 edit request 4 May 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Db-g7_edit_request_4_May_2024-20240504101900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Db-meta&action=edit&section=3&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Db-g7 edit request 4 May 2024" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id="ooui-php-45" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label"></span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator"></span></a></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem 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request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><b>Description of suggested change:</b></p> <p>Just a splash of <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/MOS:ANDOR?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:ANDOR">MOS:ANDOR</a> to brighten everyone's day.</p> <p><b>Diff:</b></p> <table class="diff" style="width:100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" style="width: 2%; padding: 0.25em; font-weight: bold;font-size: 1.25em; text-align: end;">−</td> <td class="diff-deletedline" style="border-color: var(--background-color-content-removed,#ffe49c); vertical-align:top; width: 48%; border-style: solid; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.33em 0.5em; color: inherit; font-size: 1em; font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; -webkit-border-end-width: 1px; -webkit-border-start-width: 4px; -moz-border-end-width: 1px; -moz-border-start-width: 4px;"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word; direction: ltr;"> the author of the only substantial content has requested deletion <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-removed,#ffe49c); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;">and/or</del> blanked the page </div></td> <td style="width: 2%; padding: 0.25em; font-weight: bold;font-size: 1.25em; text-align: end;">+</td> <td class="diff-addedline" style="border-color: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); vertical-align:top; width: 48%; border-style: solid; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.33em 0.5em; color: inherit; font-size: 1em; font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; -webkit-border-end-width: 1px; -webkit-border-start-width: 4px; -moz-border-end-width: 1px; -moz-border-start-width: 4px;"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word; direction: ltr;"> the author of the only substantial content has requested deletion <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;">or</ins> blanked the page </div></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Remsense?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Remsense"><span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Remsense?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">诉</span></a> <a 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class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20240504101900-Db-g7_edit_request_4_May_2024"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nardog-20240504102300-Remsense-20240504101900"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span><b> Done</b></span> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nardog?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Nardog">Nardog</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Nardog?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Nardog">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Nardog-20240504102300-Remsense-20240504101900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:23, 4 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nardog-20240504102300-Remsense-20240504101900"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nardog-20240504102300-Remsense-20240504101900"></span> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(4)"> <span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span> <h2 id="Edit_request_20_July_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_request_20_July_2024-20240720140100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_request_20_July_2024-20240720140100"></span>Edit request 20 July 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_request_20_July_2024-20240720140100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Db-meta&action=edit&section=4&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Edit request 20 July 2024" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id="ooui-php-46" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label"></span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator"></span></a></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel">Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240720160500-Nickps-20240720140100">4 months ago</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel">2 comments</span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel">2 people in discussion</span> </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nickps-20240720140100-Edit_request_20_July_2024"></span> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"> <table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 30px;height: 30px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="30" data-height="30" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span></td> <td class="mbox-text">This <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-imagepage?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-imagepage">Template:db-imagepage</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><b>Description of suggested change:</b></p> <p>Add <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|self=yes</code> to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-imagepage?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-imagepage">db-imagepage</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> since the creator of a page is allowed to remove <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:G8?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G8">WP:G8</a> CSD tags.</p> <p><b>Diff:</b></p> <table class="diff" style="width:100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" style="width: 2%; padding: 0.25em; font-weight: bold;font-size: 1.25em; text-align: end;">−</td> <td class="diff-deletedline" style="border-color: var(--background-color-content-removed,#ffe49c); vertical-align:top; width: 48%; border-style: solid; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.33em 0.5em; color: inherit; font-size: 1em; font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; -webkit-border-end-width: 1px; -webkit-border-start-width: 4px; -moz-border-end-width: 1px; -moz-border-start-width: 4px;"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word; direction: ltr;"> |1= as a [[Help:File page|file description page]] with no corresponding file |summary=[[Help:File page|File description page]] with no corresponding file </div></td> <td style="width: 2%; padding: 0.25em; font-weight: bold;font-size: 1.25em; text-align: end;">+</td> <td class="diff-addedline" style="border-color: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); vertical-align:top; width: 48%; border-style: solid; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.33em 0.5em; color: inherit; font-size: 1em; font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; -webkit-border-end-width: 1px; -webkit-border-start-width: 4px; -moz-border-end-width: 1px; -moz-border-start-width: 4px;"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word; direction: ltr;"> |1= as a [[Help:File page|file description page]] with no corresponding file |summary=[[Help:File page|File description page]] with no corresponding file <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;"></ins> <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;">|self=yes</ins> </div></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p>--<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nickps">Nickps</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Nickps">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Nickps-20240720140100-Edit_request_20_July_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nickps-20240720140100-Edit_request_20_July_2024"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nickps-20240720140100-Edit_request_20_July_2024"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240720160500-Nickps-20240720140100"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span> <b>Completed</b></span>. <i><b><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I. Ellsworth</span></a></b></i> , <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Editor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Editor"><span style="color:black">ed.</span></a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><sup>put'er there</sup></a> <small><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240720160500-Nickps-20240720140100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240720160500-Nickps-20240720140100"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240720160500-Nickps-20240720140100"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(5)"> <span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span> <h2 id="Remove_|self=yes_from_all_tags_that_can't_be_removed_by_the_page's_creator" data-mw-thread-id="h-Remove_|self=yes_from_all_tags_that_can't_be_removed_by_the_page's_creator-20240720181200"><span id="Remove_.7Cself.3Dyes_from_all_tags_that_can.27t_be_removed_by_the_page.27s_creator"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Remove_|self=yes_from_all_tags_that_can't_be_removed_by_the_page's_creator-20240720181200"></span>Remove <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|self=yes</code> from all tags that can't be removed by the page's creator <span class="anchor" id="Edit_request_23_July_2024"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Remove_|self=yes_from_all_tags_that_can't_be_removed_by_the_page's_creator-20240720181200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Db-meta&action=edit&section=5&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Remove |self=yes from all tags that can't be removed by the page's creator" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id="ooui-php-47" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label"></span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator"></span></a></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel">Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-SilverLocust-20240724111600-Nickps-20240720181200">4 months ago</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel">7 comments</span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel">3 people in discussion</span> </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nickps-20240720181200-Remove_|self=yes_from_all_tags_that_can't_be_removed_by_the_page's_creator"></span> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"> <table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 30px;height: 30px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="30" data-height="30" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span></td> <td class="mbox-text">This <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-r2?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-r2">TM:db-r2</a>, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-f5?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-f5">TM:db-f5</a> and <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-u2?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-u2">TM:db-u2</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:R2?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:R2">WP:R2</a>, <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:F5?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:F5">WP:F5</a> and <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:U2?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:U2">WP:U2</a> are criteria that the author cannot contest by removing the tag. Despite this, <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|self=yes</code> is set in <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-r2?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-r2">db-r2</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-f5?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-f5">db-f5</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-u2?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-u2">db-u2</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, so no "Contest this speedy deletion" button appears. This is a problem because if the author of such a page wants to contest such a deletion, the template tells them "If this [redirect/file/user (talk) page] does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, please remove this notice." but they actually can't do that. What they have to do instead is go to the talk page but there is no indication for that. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nickps">Nickps</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Nickps">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Nickps-20240720181200-Remove_%257Cself%3Dyes_from_all_tags_that_can't_be_removed_by_the_page's_creator" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nickps-20240720181200-Remove_|self=yes_from_all_tags_that_can't_be_removed_by_the_page's_creator"><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nickps-20240720181200-Remove_|self=yes_from_all_tags_that_can't_be_removed_by_the_page's_creator"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nickps-20240720181500-Nickps-20240720181200"></span>Alternatively, the templates could somehow indicate that the author cannot remove the tag and direct them to the talk page without providing a button. This is what {{<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-rediruser-notice?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-rediruser-notice">subst:db-rediruser-notice</a>}} does (after I <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Diff/1235646496?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Diff/1235646496">removed a reference to the non-existent Contest button</a>). In my opinion, this approach is strictly inferior to just providing the button but I thought I should mention it.</s> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nickps">Nickps</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Nickps">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Nickps-20240720181500-Nickps-20240720181200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nickps-20240720181500-Nickps-20240720181200"><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nickps-20240720181500-Nickps-20240720181200"></span> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nickps-20240723094400-Nickps-20240720181200"></span>I turned this into an edit request per <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:SILENTCON?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SILENTCON">WP:SILENTCON</a>. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nickps">Nickps</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Nickps">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Nickps-20240723094400-Nickps-20240720181200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nickps-20240723094400-Nickps-20240720181200"><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nickps-20240723094400-Nickps-20240720181200"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20240723132600-Nickps-20240723094400"></span>@<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nickps">Nickps</a> is the edit you are requesting to change <code>|self=yes</code> to <code>|self=no</code> on these three pages? — <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Xaosflux?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Xaosflux-20240723132600-Nickps-20240723094400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20240723132600-Nickps-20240723094400"><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20240723132600-Nickps-20240723094400"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nickps-20240723132800-Xaosflux-20240723132600"></span>@<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Xaosflux?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Xaosflux">Xaosflux</a> Yes, or equivalently just remove the parameter entirely. <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|self=no</code> is the default, isn't it? <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nickps">Nickps</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Nickps">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Nickps-20240723132800-Xaosflux-20240723132600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 23 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nickps-20240723132800-Xaosflux-20240723132600"><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nickps-20240723132800-Xaosflux-20240723132600"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nickps-20240723172900-Nickps-20240723132800"></span>I just realised this can be misunderstood. I mean remove the line <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|self=yes</code> (or set it to "no", it really doesn't matter) from those three templates, not remove the functionality from <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-meta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-meta">db-meta</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nickps">Nickps</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Nickps">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Nickps-20240723172900-Nickps-20240723132800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 23 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nickps-20240723172900-Nickps-20240723132800"><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nickps-20240723172900-Nickps-20240723132800"></span> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SilverLocust-20240724111600-Nickps-20240720181200"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span><b> Done</b></span>. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:SilverLocust?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:SilverLocust">SilverLocust</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:SilverLocust?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:SilverLocust">💬</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-SilverLocust-20240724111600-Nickps-20240720181200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:16, 24 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SilverLocust-20240724111600-Nickps-20240720181200"><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SilverLocust-20240724111600-Nickps-20240720181200"></span> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(6)"> <span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span> <h2 id="Edit_request_24_July_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_request_24_July_2024-20240724115500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_request_24_July_2024-20240724115500"></span>Edit request 24 July 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_request_24_July_2024-20240724115500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Db-meta&action=edit&section=6&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Edit request 24 July 2024" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id="ooui-php-48" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label"></span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator"></span></a></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel">Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Sohom_Datta-20240724130400-Nickps-20240724115500">4 months ago</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel">3 comments</span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel">2 people in discussion</span> </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-6 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-6"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nickps-20240724115500-Edit_request_24_July_2024"></span> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"> <table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 30px;height: 30px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="30" data-height="30" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span></td> <td class="mbox-text">This <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db">TM:db</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><b>Description of suggested change:</b> When <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db">db</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is used to call another CSD template, it should forward the rest of its arguments to it. Currently, if someone writes something like, <span class="nowrap">{{<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db">db</a>|a1|nocat=yes}}</span>, the nocat argument will be ignored and the page will still added to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/CAT:A1?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="CAT:A1">CAT:A1</a>, despite that going against the intention of the user who wrote the template call. I've pushed the change to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db/sandbox?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db/sandbox">TM:db/sandbox</a> as well.</p> <p><b>Diff:</b></p> <table class="diff" style="width:100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" style="width: 2%; padding: 0.25em; font-weight: bold;font-size: 1.25em; text-align: end;">−</td> <td class="diff-deletedline" style="border-color: var(--background-color-content-removed,#ffe49c); vertical-align:top; width: 48%; border-style: solid; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.33em 0.5em; color: inherit; font-size: 1em; font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; -webkit-border-end-width: 1px; -webkit-border-start-width: 4px; -moz-border-end-width: 1px; -moz-border-start-width: 4px;"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word; direction: ltr;"> {{SAFESUBST:<noinclude />#invoke:Unsubst||$B={{#ifexist:Template:db-{{lc:{{{1}}}}}|{{db-{{lc: <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-removed,#ffe49c); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;">{{{1}}}}}}}</del> </div></td> <td style="width: 2%; padding: 0.25em; font-weight: bold;font-size: 1.25em; text-align: end;">+</td> <td class="diff-addedline" style="border-color: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); vertical-align:top; width: 48%; border-style: solid; border-radius: 0.33em; padding: 0.33em 0.5em; color: inherit; font-size: 1em; font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; -webkit-border-end-width: 1px; -webkit-border-start-width: 4px; -moz-border-end-width: 1px; -moz-border-start-width: 4px;"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word; direction: ltr;"> {{SAFESUBST:<noinclude />#invoke:Unsubst||$B={{#ifexist:Template:db-{{lc:{{{1}}}}}|{{db-{{lc: <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline" style="background: var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff); color: inherit; padding: 0.25em 0; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial;">{{{1}}}}}|1={{{2|}}}|bot={{{bot|}}}|raw={{{raw|}}}|help={{{help|}}}|nocat={{{nocat|}}}|category={{{category|¬}}}}}</ins> </div></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nickps">Nickps</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Nickps">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Nickps-20240724115500-Edit_request_24_July_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nickps-20240724115500-Edit_request_24_July_2024"><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nickps-20240724115500-Edit_request_24_July_2024"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nickps-20240724120300-Nickps-20240724115500"></span>Edit: I also added the second unnamed parameter to the ones forwarded so template calls like <span class="nowrap">{{<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db">db</a>|f1|test.jpg}}</span> work. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Nickps">Nickps</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Nickps?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Nickps">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Nickps-20240724120300-Nickps-20240724115500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:03, 24 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nickps-20240724120300-Nickps-20240724115500"><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nickps-20240724120300-Nickps-20240724115500"></span> </dd> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240724130400-Nickps-20240724115500"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span><b> Done</b></span> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Sohom_Datta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Sohom Datta"><b style="color:#795cb2;">Sohom</b></a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Sohom_Datta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Sohom Datta"><span style="color: #36c;">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Sohom_Datta-20240724130400-Nickps-20240724115500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sohom_Datta-20240724130400-Nickps-20240724115500"><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sohom_Datta-20240724130400-Nickps-20240724115500"></span> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(7)"> <span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span> <h2 id="Template-protected_edit_request_on_3_September_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_3_September_2024-20240903102000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_3_September_2024-20240903102000"></span>Template-protected edit request on 3 September 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_3_September_2024-20240903102000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Db-meta&action=edit&section=7&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Template-protected edit request on 3 September 2024" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id="ooui-php-49" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label"></span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator"></span></a></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel">Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903174800-Primefac-20240903152100">3 months ago</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel">7 comments</span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel">3 people in discussion</span> </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-7 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-7"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Animal_lover_666-20240903102000-Template-protected_edit_request_on_3_September_2024"></span> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"> <table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 30px;height: 30px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="30" data-height="30" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span></td> <td class="mbox-text">This <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-c4?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-c4">Template:Db-c4</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p>Please fix the template such that the message box will show on the template page itself. Currently it shows only in the category namespace, which excludes the template page. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Animal_lover_666?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Animal lover 666">Animal lover</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Animal_lover_666?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Animal lover 666">|666|</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Animal_lover_666-20240903102000-Template-protected_edit_request_on_3_September_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Animal_lover_666-20240903102000-Template-protected_edit_request_on_3_September_2024"><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Animal_lover_666-20240903102000-Template-protected_edit_request_on_3_September_2024"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903134200-Animal_lover_666-20240903102000"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span> <b>Completed</b></span>. <i><b><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I. Ellsworth</span></a></b></i> , <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Editor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Editor"><span style="color:black">ed.</span></a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><sup>put'er there</sup></a> <small><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903134200-Animal_lover_666-20240903102000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903134200-Animal_lover_666-20240903102000"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903134200-Animal_lover_666-20240903102000"><span id="ooui-php-27" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span> </dd> </dl> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903134900-Animal_lover_666-20240903102000"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/File:Crystal128-eraser.svg?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-file-description"> <noscript> <img alt="eraser" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Crystal128-eraser.svg/18px-Crystal128-eraser.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="64" data-file-height="64"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Crystal128-eraser.svg/18px-Crystal128-eraser.svg.png" data-alt="eraser" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Crystal128-eraser.svg/27px-Crystal128-eraser.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Crystal128-eraser.svg/36px-Crystal128-eraser.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></a></span> <b>Undone</b>. <span class="template-ping"><small style="font-style:italic;font-weight:bold;">To</small> editor <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Animal_lover_666?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Animal lover 666">Animal lover 666</a>:</span> since this template is designed to be used only in the category namespace, placing an example on the template page meant that the automatic namespace detection resulted in the word "template" where "category" is usually seen. (See <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title%3DTemplate:Db-c4/doc%26diff%3Dnext%26oldid%3D1242412283">[this diff</a>]</span>.) I think that would confuse more editors than it would help, so I self-reverted. If you still want this edit performed, then please garner a <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a> before using the <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Edit_template-protected?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Edit template-protected">Edit template-protected</a> template again. <i><b><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I. Ellsworth</span></a></b></i> , <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Editor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Editor"><span style="color:black">ed.</span></a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><sup>put'er there</sup></a> <small><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903134900-Animal_lover_666-20240903102000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903134900-Animal_lover_666-20240903102000"><span id="ooui-php-28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903134900-Animal_lover_666-20240903102000"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20240903143900-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903134900"></span>I've squirted out the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Single_namespace?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Single namespace">Single namespace</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> since it doesn't appear to be used on other category-space db templates. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Primefac?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Primefac?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Primefac-20240903143900-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903134900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20240903143900-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903134900"><span id="ooui-php-29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20240903143900-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903134900"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903144900-Primefac-20240903143900"></span>With respect, editor <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Primefac?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a>, please note that the box on the template page now reads "<i><b>This <span style="color: red;">template</span> may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion as a maintenance category...</b></i>", and "If this <span style="color: red;">template</span> does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion,...", which is why I self-reverted. Don't you think that seeing "template" where "category" is supposed to be might confuse editors? I think that's why the creators and improvers left the template invisible on the template page. <i><b><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I. Ellsworth</span></a></b></i> , <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Editor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Editor"><span style="color:black">ed.</span></a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><sup>put'er there</sup></a> <small><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903144900-Primefac-20240903143900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903144900-Primefac-20240903143900"><span id="ooui-php-30" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903144900-Primefac-20240903143900"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20240903152100-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903144900"></span>In a word, no. That being said, I have added a <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|pagetype_override=</code> parameter that will allow for the proper word to be used. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Primefac?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Primefac?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Primefac-20240903152100-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903144900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:21, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20240903152100-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903144900"><span id="ooui-php-31" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20240903152100-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903144900"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903174800-Primefac-20240903152100"></span>Great addition<i>!</i> So, editor <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Animal_lover_666?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Animal lover 666">Animal lover 666</a>, your request has been <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span> <b>completed</b></span> after all. Best to you<i>!</i> <i><b><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I. Ellsworth</span></a></b></i> , <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Editor?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Editor"><span style="color:black">ed.</span></a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><sup>put'er there</sup></a> <small><a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240903174800-Primefac-20240903152100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span 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</dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(8)"> <span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span> <h2 id="Template-protected_edit_request_on_5_September_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_5_September_2024-20240905215000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_5_September_2024-20240905215000"></span>Template-protected edit request on 5 September 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_5_September_2024-20240905215000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Db-meta&action=edit&section=8&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Template-protected edit request on 5 September 2024" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id="ooui-php-50" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label"></span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator"></span></a></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel">Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Pppery-20240905215700-Tollens-20240905215000">3 months ago</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel">2 comments</span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel">2 people in discussion</span> </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-8 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-8"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tollens-20240905215000-Template-protected_edit_request_on_5_September_2024"></span> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"> <table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 30px;height: 30px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="30" data-height="30" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span></td> <td class="mbox-text">This <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-c4?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-c4">Template:Db-c4</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p>Please re-add the rationale parameter to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-c4?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-c4">db-c4</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (<code>|rationale={{{rationale|}}}</code> into the db-meta template call), I think it was likely removed by mistake during the conversion from <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-templatecat?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Db-templatecat">db-templatecat</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (pinging <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Pppery?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Pppery">Pppery</a> just in case it was on purpose). I believe it is still useful to have a rationale for C4 – it won't necessarily be immediately obvious to the deleting administrator why the category is no longer used in cases like templates no longer applying a category. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Tollens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Tollens">Tollens</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Tollens?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Tollens">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Tollens-20240905215000-Template-protected_edit_request_on_5_September_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tollens-20240905215000-Template-protected_edit_request_on_5_September_2024"><span id="ooui-php-33" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tollens-20240905215000-Template-protected_edit_request_on_5_September_2024"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-20240905215700-Tollens-20240905215000"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span><b> Done</b></span> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Pppery?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Pppery?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub></a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Pppery-20240905215700-Tollens-20240905215000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-20240905215700-Tollens-20240905215000"><span id="ooui-php-34" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-20240905215700-Tollens-20240905215000"></span> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(9)"> <span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span> <h2 id="Requested_edit_at_template:db-imagepage" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_edit_at_template:db-imagepage-20241006013000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_edit_at_template:db-imagepage-20241006013000"></span>Requested edit at <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-imagepage?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-imagepage">template:db-imagepage</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_edit_at_template:db-imagepage-20241006013000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Db-meta&action=edit&section=9&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Requested edit at template:db-imagepage" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id="ooui-php-51" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label"></span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator"></span></a></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel">Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-Primefac-20241006132700-Animal_lover_666-20241006013000">2 months ago</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel">2 comments</span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel">2 people in discussion</span> </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-9 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-9"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Animal_lover_666-20241006013000-Requested_edit_at_template:db-imagepage"></span> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"> <table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 30px;height: 30px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="30" data-height="30" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span></td> <td class="mbox-text">This <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-imagepage?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-imagepage">Template:db-imagepage</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p>Please update the template to use criterion F2 per <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#%22File_pages_without_a_corresponding_file%22" title="Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion">this discussion</a>; additionally, please make the tag visible on the tag's own page (feel free to keep it disabled if transcluded in the template namespace). <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Animal_lover_666?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Animal lover 666">Animal lover</a> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Animal_lover_666?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Animal lover 666">|666|</a> <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Animal_lover_666-20241006013000-Requested_edit_at_template:db-imagepage" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 6 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Animal_lover_666-20241006013000-Requested_edit_at_template:db-imagepage"><span id="ooui-php-35" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Animal_lover_666-20241006013000-Requested_edit_at_template:db-imagepage"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20241006132700-Animal_lover_666-20241006013000"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 18px;height: 18px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="18" data-height="18" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span><b> Done</b></span> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Primefac?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Primefac?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Primefac-20241006132700-Animal_lover_666-20241006013000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:27, 6 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20241006132700-Animal_lover_666-20241006013000"><span id="ooui-php-36" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Primefac-20241006132700-Animal_lover_666-20241006013000"></span> </dd> </dl> </section> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(10)"> <span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span> <h2 id="Template-protected_edit_request_on_24_November_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_24_November_2024-20241124011800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_24_November_2024-20241124011800"></span>Template-protected edit request on 24 November 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_24_November_2024-20241124011800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"> <a role="button" href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Db-meta&action=edit&section=10&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Edit section: Template-protected edit request on 24 November 2024" class="cdx-button cdx-button--size-large cdx-button--fake-button cdx-button--fake-button--enabled cdx-button--icon-only cdx-button--weight-quiet "> <span class="minerva-icon minerva-icon--edit"></span> <span>edit</span> </a> </span> <span id="ooui-php-52" class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonMenuSelectWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"ellipsis","data":{"itemConfigs":[{"id":"edit","data":{"id":"edit"},"icon":"edit","label":"Edit"}],"resourceLoaderModules":[]},"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-section-overflowMenuButton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-ellipsis"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label"></span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator"></span></a></span> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel">Latest comment: <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#c-JJPMaster-20241127004000-Jonesey95-20241125050100">15 days ago</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel">6 comments</span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel">3 people in discussion</span> </div> <div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions">  </div> </div> </div> <section class="mf-section-10 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-10"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JJPMaster-20241124011800-Template-protected_edit_request_on_24_November_2024"></span> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"> <table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 30px;height: 30px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="30" data-height="30" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span></td> <td class="mbox-text">This <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-gs?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-gs">Template:Db-gs</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Db-gs?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Db-gs">Db-gs</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> currently says that the page has "no substantial edits by others," however, the word "others" is ambiguous (for instance, if the ECR applies, are "others" editors other than the primary editor, or EC editors?), and general sanctions do not apply to individual editors in the first place. I propose that it be changed to something similar to "no substantial edits that do not violate the restriction." <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:JJPMaster?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:JJPMaster">JJP</a><sub><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:JJPMaster?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:JJPMaster">Mas</a><sub><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJPMaster?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/JJPMaster">ter</a></sub></sub> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/She_(pronoun)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="She (pronoun)">she</a>/<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Singular_they?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Singular they">they</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-JJPMaster-20241124011800-Template-protected_edit_request_on_24_November_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JJPMaster-20241124011800-Template-protected_edit_request_on_24_November_2024"><span id="ooui-php-37" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JJPMaster-20241124011800-Template-protected_edit_request_on_24_November_2024"></span></p> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-20241124213700-JJPMaster-20241124011800"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span> <noscript> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/20px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="23" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600"> </noscript><span class="lazy-image-placeholder" style="width: 20px;height: 23px;" data-src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/20px-X_mark.svg.png" data-alt="" data-width="20" data-height="23" data-srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/40px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-class="mw-file-element"> </span></span></span> <b>Not done for now</b>: please establish a <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a> for this alteration <b><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">before</a></b> using the <code>{{<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Template:Edit_template-protected?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Template:Edit template-protected">Edit template-protected</a>}}</code> template. There is no specific edit request here. Please discuss and then reactivate the request. The word "others" seems clear to me (i.e. editors other than the page's creator), but if not, I expect that "other editors" would suffice. Does the link to <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:G5?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G5">WP:G5</a> help you understand what it means? If so, importing a few words (just a few, though) from that explanation may help. We should not invent new language for this template. – <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jonesey95?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Jonesey95-20241124213700-JJPMaster-20241124011800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-20241124213700-JJPMaster-20241124011800"><span id="ooui-php-38" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-20241124213700-JJPMaster-20241124011800"></span> <dl> <dd> <span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JJPMaster-20241125023400-Jonesey95-20241124213700"></span>@<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jonesey95?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a>:</span> <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia:G5?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G5">WP:G5</a> says that this criterion applies to pages with no edits from "others not subject to the ban or sanctions." That indicates that it isn't with regard to the creator of the page, but rather to the presence or absence of sanction. I suggest to adopt this language directly as "others not subject to the sanctions." <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:JJPMaster?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:JJPMaster">JJP</a><sub><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:JJPMaster?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:JJPMaster">Mas</a><sub><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJPMaster?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/JJPMaster">ter</a></sub></sub> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/She_(pronoun)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="She (pronoun)">she</a>/<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Singular_they?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Singular they">they</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-JJPMaster-20241125023400-Jonesey95-20241124213700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JJPMaster-20241125023400-Jonesey95-20241124213700"><span id="ooui-php-39" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JJPMaster-20241125023400-Jonesey95-20241124213700"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-20241125050100-JJPMaster-20241125023400"></span>So just to clarify, the template currently reads: <dl> <dd> "This template may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion as a page created in violation of a contentious topic restriction or other general sanction, with no substantial edits by others." </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> It sounds like you would like it to read: <dl> <dd> "This template may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion as a page created in violation of a contentious topic restriction or other general sanction, with no substantial edits by others not subject to the ban or sanctions." </dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> Is that correct? – <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Jonesey95?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Jonesey95-20241125050100-JJPMaster-20241125023400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-20241125050100-JJPMaster-20241125023400"><span id="ooui-php-40" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui="{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"icon":"share","label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}"><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-share oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-20241125050100-JJPMaster-20241125023400"></span> <dl> <dd> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Primefac-20241125115200-Jonesey95-20241125050100"></span><jumping in> That seems a bit wordy, and I do agree that "others" means "not the person who made the page". Having <i>multiple</i> editors under the restriction all editing the same page seems rather unlikely. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:Primefac?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:Primefac?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) <a href="https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=en-GB&u=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Db-meta%23c-Primefac-20241125115200-Jonesey95-20241125050100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Primefac-20241125115200-Jonesey95-20241125050100"><span id="ooui-php-41" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-labelElement 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href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB#What_does_%22no_substantial_edits_by_others_not_subject_to_the_ban_or_sanctions%22_mean?" title="Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion">discussion</a> in the meantime. <a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User:JJPMaster?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User:JJPMaster">JJP</a><sub><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/User_talk:JJPMaster?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="User talk:JJPMaster">Mas</a><sub><a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Special:Contributions/JJPMaster?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="Special:Contributions/JJPMaster">ter</a></sub></sub> (<a href="https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/She_(pronoun)?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB" title="She (pronoun)">she</a>/<a 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