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Well, it tries. The final third devoted to the second book is a trainwreck. The film has the same issue as productions that de-evolve gradually into cliff notes. Xenogears Disc 2 or Game of Thrones S7-8 are examples. Do what you can right and if you finish on a cliffhanger then so be it. The Expanse might remain forever incomplete as an adaptation but it stayed a coherent production till the end. <br> <br> The Galadriel scene is a masterpiece. One of the few bits that surpassed Jackson but no one surpassed Tolkien. This is the source material for Jackson´s Ringwraith scene, well it´s complicated: <br> <img src="https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/814w+7aYFdL._AC_UF350,350_QL50_.jpg" border="0"></span> <span class="gensmall"></span> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="row1" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> <td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="middle"> <a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=263338"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View user's profile" title="View user's profile" border="0"></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&u=263338"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0"></a> <a href="https://www.imdb.com/user/ur57396192/?ref_=_usr" rel="nofollow" target="_userwww"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_www.gif" alt="Visit poster's website" title="Visit poster's website" border="0"></a> <a href="/MyAnime/?user=residentgrigo"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_my_anime.gif" alt="My Anime"></a> <a href="/MyManga/?user=residentgrigo"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_my_manga.gif" alt="My Manga"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"> </td> </tr> <tr id="5505274"> <td rowspan="2" width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"> <span class="name"><b>mdo7</b></span> <div class="postdetails"> <br> <img src="//cdn.animenewsnetwork.com/thumbnails/max100x100/avatars/15966543263bf1adecc443.jpg" alt="" border="0"><br><br> <nobr>Joined: 23 May 2007</nobr><br> Posts: 6425<br> Location: Katy, Texas, USA </div> </td> <td class="row2" width="100%" height="1" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="100%"> <a href="viewtopic.php?p=5505274#5505274"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0"></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:39 am</span> </td> <td class="toolbuttons" valign="top" nowrap> <a href="posting.php?mode=quote&p=5505274"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" class="row2"> <div class="boxlimit"> <span class="postbody">Ah yes, I was hoping ANN would be talking about the 2 (well 3, the Ralph Bakshi's 1978 animated adaptation of Lord of the Rings is not Japanese animation, so it doesn't count) previous animated adaptation of LOTR that was animated by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topcraft" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow ugc">Topcraft</a>. Because given that LOTR: War of the Rohirrim is an anime officially, this has led to some debate if the 2 Rankin Bass/Topcraft animated adaptation of the Hobbit and Return of the King should be re-classify as anime because of Topcraft studio and the Japanese animators that worked on The Hobbit and The Return of the King TV special would later worked on Nausicaa for Hayao Miyazaki. The same animators at Topcraft that worked on Rankin-Bass and Nausicaa would later worked at Studio Ghibli and that's where anime history goes and evolve. Hence the debate question: <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">Does Topcraft work on Rankin-Bass should be classify as anime? Does this applied to the 2 previous LOTR adaptation that Rankin-Bass/Topcraft worked on?</span></span> <br> <br> So hence the debate: Because of Topcraft involvement in Rankin-Bass, and Studio Ghibli, does that mean that any of Topcraft work with Rankin-Bass be re-classify as anime. Does this applied to The Last Unicorn, and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flight_of_Dragons" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow ugc">The Flight of Dragon</a>? I mean I know that <a href="/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2587" target="_blank" class="postlink">The Stingiest Man in Town</a> (a Rankin-Bass/Topcraft animated special) has been re-classified as anime, so can that be applied to The Last Unicorn, The Flight of Dragons, and also the 2 previous LOTR special that Rankin-Bass/Topcraft worked on. I mean we know that <a href="https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/the-japanese-studios-of-rankinbass/" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow ugc">Rankin-Bass has worked with well-known Japanese studios</a> (Mike Toole has talked about this in the past) and several of those Rankin-Bass works have been classified or re-classfied into anime categories because of the studio that worked with Rankin-Bass. <br> <br> So the LOTR: War of the Rohirrim film has now re-awakened the debate about how many Rankin-Bass's works should now be categorized or re-classify as anime. This would applied to the 2 LOTR animated TV special that Topcraft worked on.</span> <span class="gensmall"><br><br>Last edited by mdo7 on Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:32 pm; edited 1 time in total</span> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="row2" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> <td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="middle"> <a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=200380"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View user's profile" title="View user's profile" border="0"></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&u=200380"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0"></a> <a href="https://myanimelist.net/profile/mdo7" rel="nofollow" target="_userwww"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_www.gif" alt="Visit poster's website" title="Visit poster's website" border="0"></a> <a href="/MyAnime/?user=mdo7"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_my_anime.gif" alt="My Anime"></a> <a href="/MyManga/?user=mdo7"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_my_manga.gif" alt="My Manga"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"> </td> </tr> <tr id="5505281"> <td rowspan="2" width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"> <span class="name"><b>tintor2</b></span> <div class="postdetails"> <br> <img src="//cdn.animenewsnetwork.com/thumbnails/max100x100/avatars/19786685596750de6e3e265.jpg" alt="" border="0"><br><br> <nobr>Joined: 11 Aug 2010</nobr><br> Posts: 2156<br> </div> </td> <td class="row1" width="100%" height="1" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="100%"> <a href="viewtopic.php?p=5505281#5505281"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0"></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:57 am</span> </td> <td class="toolbuttons" valign="top" nowrap> <a href="posting.php?mode=quote&p=5505281"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" class="row1"> <div class="boxlimit"> <span class="postbody">I think the only 1978 anime I watched is the Gundam tv series by Tomino. Not sure when Ashita no Joe premiered</span> <span class="gensmall"></span> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="row1" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> <td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="middle"> <a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=539949"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View user's profile" title="View user's profile" border="0"></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&u=539949"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"> </td> </tr> <tr id="5505293"> <td rowspan="2" width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"> <span class="name"><b>Beatdigga</b></span> <div class="postdetails"> <br> <img src="//cdn.animenewsnetwork.com/thumbnails/max100x100/avatars/13315224224f384d15f01d2.jpg" alt="" border="0"><br><br> <nobr>Joined: 26 Oct 2003</nobr><br> Posts: 4623<br> Location: New York </div> </td> <td class="row2" width="100%" height="1" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="100%"> <a href="viewtopic.php?p=5505293#5505293"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0"></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 12:07 pm</span> </td> <td class="toolbuttons" valign="top" nowrap> <a href="posting.php?mode=quote&p=5505293"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" class="row2"> <div class="boxlimit"> <span class="postbody">Bakshi is not someone I will speak ill of, but the choices made for this film were simply not up to the monumental task of adapting Lord of the Rings. Trying to cram The Two Towers into the last third resulted in a complete mess, the rotoscoping looks silly at very inopportune moments, and the result was something ultimately disjointed. Which is weird because it does some things very well, it’s just that the whole was decidedly less than the sum of its parts. <br> <br> That said, it’s an admirable effort, and while I would watch the Peter Jackson version 9 times out of 10 given the choice, I will always admire an ambitious screw-up vs a competent cash grab. Story of Bakshi’s career, lots of great ideas, weird ideas, but always getting short changed by the executives. Remember Cool World?</span> <span class="gensmall"><br><br>Last edited by Beatdigga on Tue Dec 10, 2024 12:11 pm; edited 1 time in total</span> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="row2" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> <td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="middle"> <a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6539"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View user's profile" title="View user's profile" border="0"></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&u=6539"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"> </td> </tr> <tr id="5505294"> <td rowspan="2" width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"> <span class="name"><b>Key</b></span> <div class="postdetails"> Moderator<br> <img src="//cdn.animenewsnetwork.com/thumbnails/max100x100/avatars/13169649954117a2e136583.jpg" alt="" border="0"><br><br> <nobr>Joined: 03 Nov 2003</nobr><br> Posts: 18481<br> Location: Indianapolis, IN (formerly Mimiho Valley) </div> </td> <td class="row1" width="100%" height="1" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="100%"> <a href="viewtopic.php?p=5505294#5505294"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0"></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 12:10 pm</span> </td> <td class="toolbuttons" valign="top" nowrap> <a href="posting.php?mode=quote&p=5505294"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" class="row1"> <div class="boxlimit"> <span class="postbody">I think I may still have this 1978 version tucked away on VHS somewhere, and I'm absolutely certain I've seen it (albeit not in decades).</span> <span class="gensmall"></span> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="row1" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> <td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="middle"> <a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6740"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View user's profile" title="View user's profile" border="0"></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&u=6740"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0"></a> <a href="/cdn-cgi/l/email-protection#4f1b272a3d2021027b0f2c20222c2e3c3b61212a3b"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_email.gif" alt="Send e-mail" title="Send e-mail" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.usaanime.us" rel="nofollow" target="_userwww"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_www.gif" alt="Visit poster's website" title="Visit poster's website" border="0"></a> <a href="/MyAnime/?user=Key"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_my_anime.gif" alt="My Anime"></a> <a href="/MyManga/?user=Key"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_my_manga.gif" alt="My Manga"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"> </td> </tr> <tr id="5505323"> <td rowspan="2" width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"> <span class="name"><b>VirgilTB4</b></span> <div class="postdetails"> <img src="/bbs/phpBB2/images/subscriber-silver.png" alt="" border="0" valign="top"> Subscriber<br> <br> <br><br> <nobr>Joined: 04 Jan 2018</nobr><br> Posts: 13<br> </div> </td> <td class="row2" width="100%" height="1" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="100%"> <a href="viewtopic.php?p=5505323#5505323"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0"></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:17 pm</span> </td> <td class="toolbuttons" valign="top" nowrap> <a href="posting.php?mode=quote&p=5505323"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" class="row2"> <div class="boxlimit"> <span class="postbody">I'm old enough do have seen this in its original release in theaters and prior to the edits that were done to reduce the run time, mostly rotoscoped scenes of marching. And yes everyone was definitely irritated to have not been told in advance that this was only part of the story. <br> I also saw Bakshi's prior film that was sort of a trial run up for this type of fantasy film, Wizards. released the year before. It's probably the more successful of the 2, if for no other reason than its a complete story. <br> And I believe that the Rankin/Bass films are definitely anime, in the same way a film like The Red Turtle is, as a cross-cultural work.</span> <span class="gensmall"></span> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="row2" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> <td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="middle"> <a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=826599"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View user's profile" title="View user's profile" border="0"></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&u=826599"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"> </td> </tr> <tr id="5505324"> <td rowspan="2" width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"> <span class="name"><b>trilaan</b></span> <div class="postdetails"> <br> <img src="//cdn.animenewsnetwork.com/thumbnails/max100x100/avatars/158328879550e9f3b49ebd1.jpg" alt="" border="0"><br><br> <nobr>Joined: 17 Jan 2009</nobr><br> Posts: 1082<br> Location: Texas </div> </td> <td class="row1" width="100%" height="1" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="100%"> <a href="viewtopic.php?p=5505324#5505324"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0"></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:18 pm</span> </td> <td class="toolbuttons" valign="top" nowrap> <a href="posting.php?mode=quote&p=5505324"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" class="row1"> <div class="boxlimit"> <span class="postbody"><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tbody> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>mdo7 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <div class="boxlimit">Because given that LOTR: War of the Rohirrim is an anime officially, this has led to some debate if the 2 Rankin Bass/Topcraft animated adaptation of the Hobbit and Return of the King should be re-classify as anime because of Topcraft studio and the Japanese animators that worked on The Hobbit and The Return of the King TV special would later worked on Nausicaa for Hayao Miyazaki. The same animators at Topcraft that worked on Rankin-Bass and Nausicaa would later worked at Studio Ghibli and that's where anime history goes and evolve. Hence the debate question: <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">Does Topcraft work on Rankin-Bass should be classify as anime? Does this applied to the 2 previous LOTR adaptation that Rankin-Bass/Topcraft worked on?</span></span> </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <br> <br> <br> I have massive childhood nostalgia for the Rankin-Bass Hobbit and The Return of the King. I would watch a VHS recording of a Return of the King TV broadcast all the time. I loved it so much when my family went to a particular restaurant that had a bowl of plastic rings for kids my dad would pick one out for me that he called a "Mister Frodo ring". Such fond memories. I liked The Hobbit less but still watched it a ton, can sing all the songs, and think Smaug has the best sounding voice of any dragon ever(sorry Sean Connery). <br> <br> With that out of the way I sure don't think the fact that a non-Japanese series utilizing a particular anime studio for its animation should qualify it as anime. If we did that we would have to re-classify ThunderCats(animated by Japan's Pacific Animation Corporation) as anime with the rest(or much) of the Rankin-Bass oeuvre, as well as a ton of other shows like Dungeons and Dragons(Toei) and Inspector Gadget(TMS). <br> <br> If it's not conceived of and produced fully under the direction and control of a Japanese studio, then maybe it's just a production that loves the anime "style" or it's just time saving outsourcing. <br> <br> <br> BTW, on YouTube an Honest Trailer for the Rankin-Bass Hobbit just dropped. What a coincidence.</span> <span class="gensmall"></span> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="row1" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> <td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="middle"> <a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=404715"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View user's profile" title="View user's profile" border="0"></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&u=404715"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"> </td> </tr> <tr id="5505341"> <td rowspan="2" width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"> <span class="name"><b>mdo7</b></span> <div class="postdetails"> <br> <img src="//cdn.animenewsnetwork.com/thumbnails/max100x100/avatars/15966543263bf1adecc443.jpg" alt="" border="0"><br><br> <nobr>Joined: 23 May 2007</nobr><br> Posts: 6425<br> Location: Katy, Texas, USA </div> </td> <td class="row2" width="100%" height="1" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="100%"> <a href="viewtopic.php?p=5505341#5505341"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0"></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 3:03 pm</span> </td> <td class="toolbuttons" valign="top" nowrap> <a href="posting.php?mode=quote&p=5505341"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" class="row2"> <div class="boxlimit"> <span class="postbody"><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tbody> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>trilaan wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <div class="boxlimit"> <br> With that out of the way I sure don't think the fact that a non-Japanese series utilizing a particular anime studio for its animation should qualify it as anime. If we did that we would have to re-classify ThunderCats(animated by Japan's Pacific Animation Corporation) as anime with the rest(or much) of the Rankin-Bass oeuvre, as well as a ton of other shows like Dungeons and Dragons(Toei) and Inspector Gadget(TMS). </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <br> <br> About that, I don't want to derail the topic, so I'm going to take my conversation with you via PM. Oh and one more note: <span style="text-decoration: underline">Topcraft did the 1st season of Thundercats prior to the formation of PAC</span>, so in my eyes and my definition, Thundercats could be classify as anime. I'll explain the rest via private message.</span> <span class="gensmall"></span> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="row2" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> <td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="middle"> <a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=200380"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View user's profile" title="View user's profile" border="0"></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&u=200380"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0"></a> <a href="https://myanimelist.net/profile/mdo7" rel="nofollow" target="_userwww"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_www.gif" alt="Visit poster's website" title="Visit poster's website" border="0"></a> <a href="/MyAnime/?user=mdo7"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_my_anime.gif" alt="My Anime"></a> <a href="/MyManga/?user=mdo7"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_my_manga.gif" alt="My Manga"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"> </td> </tr> <tr id="5505355"> <td rowspan="2" width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"> <span class="name"><b>MarshalBanana</b></span> <div class="postdetails"> <br> <img src="//cdn.animenewsnetwork.com/thumbnails/max100x100/avatars/1649772821542acaa9a3476.png" alt="" border="0"><br><br> <nobr>Joined: 31 Aug 2014</nobr><br> Posts: 5518<br> </div> </td> <td class="row1" width="100%" height="1" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="100%"> <a href="viewtopic.php?p=5505355#5505355"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0"></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 5:29 pm</span> </td> <td class="toolbuttons" valign="top" nowrap> <a href="posting.php?mode=quote&p=5505355"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" class="row1"> <div class="boxlimit"> <span class="postbody">I wish the Bakshi version, had also cast John Huston as Gandolf. That was perfect casting.</span> <span class="gensmall"></span> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="row1" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> <td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="middle"> <a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=822491"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View user's profile" title="View user's profile" border="0"></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&u=822491"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0"></a> <a href="/MyAnime/?user=MarshalBanana"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_my_anime.gif" alt="My Anime"></a> <a href="/MyManga/?user=MarshalBanana"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_my_manga.gif" alt="My Manga"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"> </td> </tr> <tr id="5505369"> <td rowspan="2" width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"> <span class="name"><b>Top Gun</b></span> <div class="postdetails"> <br> <img src="//cdn.animenewsnetwork.com/thumbnails/max100x100/avatars/4562535925b7f839171950.gif" alt="" border="0"><br><br> <nobr>Joined: 28 Sep 2007</nobr><br> Posts: 4817<br> </div> </td> <td class="row2" width="100%" height="1" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="100%"> <a href="viewtopic.php?p=5505369#5505369"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0"></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2024 8:57 pm</span> </td> <td class="toolbuttons" valign="top" nowrap> <a href="posting.php?mode=quote&p=5505369"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" class="row2"> <div class="boxlimit"> <span class="postbody">Heh, perfect timing. This aired the other day on Cartoon Network of all places, and a friend of mine clued me in soon enough to catch most of it. I'd seen the Rankin/Bass Hobbit ages ago, but never Bakshi's film (or the R/B Return of the King). I'd only seen screenshots of it before, but viewing it all in motion was...um, something. I can appreciate what Bakshi was going for with most of it, but even in the best of cases I find rotoscoping to be somewhat unsettling, and as the column noted, the clearly live-action-with-a-development-filter footage stuck out like a sore thumb, especially when characters shifted between the two styles from one shot to anither. Even the fully-animated bits frequently looked strange; one moment that stuck out to me was when Bilbo tried to grab the Ring from Frodo in Rivendell and proceeded to have what I can only describe as a full-body seizure. And dear lord, that Balrog...apparently Bakshi eschewed the long-running nerd argument over its appearance with the "oops, all wings!" approach. <img src="/bbs/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0"> That's to say nothing of random Viking Boromir and...whatever was going on with Aragorn (pants optional). <br> <br> What really got me were those backgrounds, though. The column called them out for looking like they're straight off a period metal album, and I agree with that, but I had no idea what most of them were supposed to be. Moria looked more like Jim Henson's Laybrinth than anything else. I've been living and breathing Tolkien's works since middle school, and one of his greatest gifts was his ability to create brilliant detailed descriptions of the landscapes and structures he imagined. But if you sat me down and put those backgrounds in front of me without any context, I wouldn't have guessed they were supposed to be from Middle-earth in a hundred years. I don't think Bakshi even attempted to get the look right. <img src="/bbs/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0"> <br> <br> Having said that, there were some moments that pleasantly surprised me. Boromir's confrontation with Frodo and subsequent death scene were very well done. I enjoyed a lot of Frodo's interactions with Sam; in a way I think the former's personality hewed a bit closer to his book portrayal than Elijah Wood's did. As the column mentioned, the scene at Galadriel's mirror was a very different direction than Jackson went, but I thought it worked well. And Gollum was...not what I was expecting, but he still worked somehow? Overall it was mostly just fun seeing these characters and situations I'm so familiar with interpreted in such a different way.</span> <span class="gensmall"></span> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="row2" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> <td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="middle"> <a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=237887"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View user's profile" title="View user's profile" border="0"></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&u=237887"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"> </td> </tr> <tr id="5505372"> <td rowspan="2" 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can only hope that Lucas DeRuyter is making an inside joke here, as Tolkien used application and not "conscious" allegory in his stories: <br> <br> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tbody> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>J.R.R. Tolkien in Forward to the Second Edition (1966) wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <div class="boxlimit">I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author. </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <br> <br> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tbody> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>J.R.R. Tolkien in Letter 203 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <div class="boxlimit">There is no 'symbolism' or conscious allegory in my story. Allegory of the sort 'five wizards = five senses' is wholly foreign to my way of thinking. There were five wizards and that is just a unique part of history. To ask if the Orcs 'are' Communists is to me as sensible as asking if Communists are Orcs. That there is no allegory does not, of course, say there is no applicability. There always is. And since I have not made the struggle wholly unequivocal: sloth and stupidity among hobbits, pride and [illegible] among Elves, grudge and greed in Dwarf-hearts, and folly and wickedness among the 'Kings of Men', and treachery and power-lust even among the 'Wizards', there is I suppose applicability in my story to present times. </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <br> <br> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tbody> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>J.R.R. Tolkien in Letter 215 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <div class="boxlimit">I hope 'comment on the world' does not sound too solemn. I have no didactic purpose, and no allegorical intent. (I do not like allegory (properly so called: most readers appear to confuse it with significance or applicability) but that is a matter too long to deal with here.) </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <br> <br> As for Tolkien making an allegory of Jesus Christ: <br> <br> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tbody> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>J.R.R. Tolkien in Letter 297 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <div class="boxlimit">The use of éarendel in A-S Christian symbolism as the herald of the rise of the true Sun in Christ is completely alien to my use. The Fall of Man is in the past and off stage; the Redemption of Man in the far future. We are in a time when the One God, Eru, is known to exist by the wise, but is not approachable save by or through the Valar, though He is still remembered in (unspoken) prayer by those of Númenórean descent. </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <br> <br> All I will have to say on the following subject: <br> <br> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tbody> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>TWIA - Steve Jones wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <div class="boxlimit">Jackson's films win overall on homoeroticism, though. Like, Frodo and Sam have a lot of cute interactions here, but the live-action version fully understands that they're boyfriends and deeply in love. </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <br> <br> Archimedes stated that with "a firm place to stand on" and with a long enough lever he could move the Earth. Since I do not have that long of a pole, best to say no more than this is a highly controversial contention and one mostly brought forward in the 21st Century. The reader with a search engine can find plenty of discussion on the matter if interested.</span> <span class="gensmall"></span> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="row1" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> <td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="middle"> <a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=925556"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View user's profile" title="View user's profile" border="0"></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&u=925556"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"> </td> </tr> <tr id="5505406"> <td rowspan="2" width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"> <span class="name"><b>Top Gun</b></span> <div class="postdetails"> <br> <img src="//cdn.animenewsnetwork.com/thumbnails/max100x100/avatars/4562535925b7f839171950.gif" alt="" border="0"><br><br> <nobr>Joined: 28 Sep 2007</nobr><br> Posts: 4817<br> </div> </td> <td class="row2" width="100%" height="1" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="100%"> <a href="viewtopic.php?p=5505406#5505406"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0"></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 2:33 am</span> </td> <td class="toolbuttons" valign="top" nowrap> <a href="posting.php?mode=quote&p=5505406"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" class="row2"> <div class="boxlimit"> <span class="postbody"><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tbody> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>ATastySub wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <div class="boxlimit">You might find that many people are blind, willingly or not, to what informs their worldviews. Authors are not an exception to this, nor is their work. Criticism is founded on messages in the text. LoTR as a work is rife with men feeling their feelings outside of the bounds of what we now recognize as more 'traditional' masculinity. They feel. They cry. They are tender to one another in ways that transcends beyond the fragile masculinity that adorns sword and sorcery works abound. Tolkien was good friends with C.S. Lewis, and was at odds with how explicit the Christianity in his stories were while having no problem saying his own work was "a fundamentally religious and Catholic work." His experiences in WW1, his own devout Catholicism, and many many other factors combined into The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. The world is richer for that. <br> <br> And it doesn't take much reading of the books to see that Sam and Frodo deeply love each other. Like c'mon. That was noticed when it came out. It's a central part of the story! Pretending it's some new reinvention just cause people have more words to describe it (tongue in cheek or not) is deeply unserious. </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <br> Tolkien never denied that there was much of himself in what he wrote. As you said, he himself noted that The Lord of the Rings was a "fundamentally religious and Catholic work," right down to its creation mythos at the hands of one true God. (Tolkien viewed the act of writing his mythos as a "sub-creation" of the Creator he believed in.) There are many other narrative elements whose origins are easy to see. For instance, the blasted and desolate wastelands outside of Mordor are a clear echo of the horrific Somme where Tolkien served in World War I. Likewise, in a letter Tolkien stated that he identified the most with the character of Faramir, whose most famous line is all the more poignant as a result: “I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend.” <br> <br> However, there is a massive chasm between "there are inextricable parts of an author in a work" and "this work is a straight allegory for X and Y." As has been noted, Tolkien actively despised allegory and explicitly rejected that reading of his motives (I'd argue for good reason, because any interpretation as such falls apart pretty quickly). You noted that Tolkien's good friend C.S. Lewis frequently used explicit allegory in his works, perhaps most famously in the character of Aslan as a direct substitution for Jesus in The Chronicles of Narnia. Tolkien hated that aspect of Lewis' writing, and all but told him as much to his face. There aren't any comparable elements in Tolkien's writing. The idea of a "Jesus allegory" in particular is right out, as in at least one letter Tolkien explicitly rejected the idea that Iluvatar had any sort of physical incarnation in the world, and that was not a subject he would have treated lightly. (There's a rather fascinating passage among Tolkien's formerly-unpublished works that takes the form of a conversation between an elf and a human in the First Age; it deals with the fundamental nature of elves and men and their eventual fates, and Tolkien's commentary on it touches on the idea of incarnation.) <br> <br> And yes, Frodo and Sam undeniably love each other very much and share a deep emotional bond. But I don't think there's any intention that this love is meant to be viewed as romantic in nature. To go back to the Greek terms Tolkien no doubt would have been familiar with, it would fall under <span style="font-style: italic">philia</span> (or even <span style="font-style: italic">agape</span>), not <span style="font-style: italic">eros</span>. It's a sort of platonic relationship that comes up very rarely (if ever) in modern fiction, compounded by the fact that Sam was Frodo's manservant, a concept that doesn't really exist anymore. (Our closest comparison would probably be the bond that forms between fellow soldiers who gone through inexplicable horrors together.) I'm certainly not going to deny anyone's right to read that subtext into their relationship, but I also think saying "this is absolutely how they are" does a disservice to the text.</span> <span class="gensmall"></span> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="row2" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> <td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="middle"> <a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=237887"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View user's profile" title="View user's profile" border="0"></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&u=237887"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"> </td> </tr> <tr id="5505423"> <td rowspan="2" width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"> <span class="name"><b>ANN Forum Mod / Admin</b></span> <div class="postdetails"> <br> <br><br> <nobr>Joined: 03 Jan 2002</nobr><br> Posts: 6<br> Location: This account can not receive PMs </div> </td> <td class="row1" width="100%" height="1" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td width="100%"> <a href="viewtopic.php?p=5505423#5505423"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0"></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:28 am</span> </td> <td class="toolbuttons" valign="top" nowrap> <a href="posting.php?mode=quote&p=5505423"><img src="/bbs/phpBB2/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0"></a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" class="row1"> <div class="boxlimit"> <span class="postbody"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">Moderator's Note: I am very, very sorry, but the following post was accidentally deleted and cannot be restored. Fortunately I was able to retrieve the text of the post:</span></span> <br> <br> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tbody> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>ATastySub wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <div class="boxlimit"> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tbody> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Piglet the Grate wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <div class="boxlimit"> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tbody> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>TWIA - Lucas DeRuyter wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <div class="boxlimit">As I'm sure Tolkien intended with his generations-spanning Jesus allegory, that was mostly just an excuse for him to come up with a bunch of fictional languages and lore to justify them. </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <br> <br> I can only hope that Lucas DeRuyter is making an inside joke here, as Tolkien used application and not "conscious" allegory in his stories: <br> <br> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tbody> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>J.R.R. Tolkien in Forward to the Second Edition (1966) wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <div class="boxlimit">I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author. </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <br> <br> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tbody> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>J.R.R. Tolkien in Letter 203 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <div class="boxlimit">There is no 'symbolism' or conscious allegory in my story. Allegory of the sort 'five wizards = five senses' is wholly foreign to my way of thinking. There were five wizards and that is just a unique part of history. To ask if the Orcs 'are' Communists is to me as sensible as asking if Communists are Orcs. That there is no allegory does not, of course, say there is no applicability. There always is. And since I have not made the struggle wholly unequivocal: sloth and stupidity among hobbits, pride and [illegible] among Elves, grudge and greed in Dwarf-hearts, and folly and wickedness among the 'Kings of Men', and treachery and power-lust even among the 'Wizards', there is I suppose applicability in my story to present times. </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <br> <br> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tbody> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>J.R.R. Tolkien in Letter 215 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <div class="boxlimit">I hope 'comment on the world' does not sound too solemn. I have no didactic purpose, and no allegorical intent. (I do not like allegory (properly so called: most readers appear to confuse it with significance or applicability) but that is a matter too long to deal with here.) </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <br> <br> As for Tolkien making an allegory of Jesus Christ: <br> <br> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tbody> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>J.R.R. Tolkien in Letter 297 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <div class="boxlimit">The use of éarendel in A-S Christian symbolism as the herald of the rise of the true Sun in Christ is completely alien to my use. The Fall of Man is in the past and off stage; the Redemption of Man in the far future. We are in a time when the One God, Eru, is known to exist by the wise, but is not approachable save by or through the Valar, though He is still remembered in (unspoken) prayer by those of Númenórean descent. </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <br> <br> All I will have to say on the following subject: <br> <br> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tbody> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>TWIA - Steve Jones wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <div class="boxlimit">Jackson's films win overall on homoeroticism, though. Like, Frodo and Sam have a lot of cute interactions here, but the live-action version fully understands that they're boyfriends and deeply in love. </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <br> <br> Archimedes stated that with "a firm place to stand on" and with a long enough lever he could move the Earth. Since I do not have that long of a pole, best to say no more than this is a highly controversial contention and one mostly brought forward in the 21st Century. The reader with a search engine can find plenty of discussion on the matter if interested. </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <br> <br> You might find that many people are blind, willingly or not, to what informs their worldviews. Authors are not an exception to this, nor is their work. Criticism is founded on messages in the text. LoTR as a work is rife with men feeling their feelings outside of the bounds of what we now recognize as more 'traditional' masculinity. They feel. They cry. They are tender to one another in ways that transcends beyond the fragile masculinity that adorns sword and sorcery works abound. Tolkien was good friends with C.S. Lewis, and was at odds with how explicit the Christianity in his stories were while having no problem saying his own work was "a fundamentally religious and Catholic work." His experiences in WW1, his own devout Catholicism, and many many other factors combined into The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. The world is richer for that. <br> <br> And it doesn't take much reading of the books to see that Sam and Frodo deeply love each other. Like c'mon. That was noticed when it came out. It's a central part of the story! Pretending it's some new reinvention just cause people have more words to describe it (tongue in cheek or not) is deeply unserious. </div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <br> <br> <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">My most sincere apologies to ATastySub for the error. 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That's exactly what this “remaster” is.</span> <span class="full">― To say this supposed 4K remaster of one of my favorite movies of all time leaves me with mixed feelings would be an understatement. My initial excitement at hearing this one-of-a-kind collaboration between <cite>Daft Punk</cite> and their childhood her...</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="herald box aside column t-this-week-in-anime" data-topics="article218876 column anime"> <div class="category-line column t-this-week-in-anime"></div> <div class="thumbnail lazyload" style="background-position: 28.729% 43.563%" data-src="/thumbnails/cover400x200/cms/this-week-in-anime/218876/chris18.jpg"> <div class="overlay"> <div class="category column t-this-week-in-anime"> column </div> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218876">4 comments</a></div> </div> <a href="/this-week-in-anime/2024-12-12/.218876" data-track="id=180721&from=SB"></a> </div> <div class="wrap"> <div> <h3> <a href="/this-week-in-anime/2024-12-12/.218876" data-track="id=180721&from=SB">This Week in Anime - Is <cite>GQuuuuuuX</cite> Gundam's <cite>FLCL</cite>?</a> </h3> <div class="byline"> <time datetime="2024-12-12T23:00:00+08:00">Dec 12, 23:00</time> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218876">4 comments</a></div> <span class="topics"> <a topic="anime" href="/all/?topic=anime" target="intro-by-topic"> anime</a> </span> </div> <div class="snippet"> <span class="hook">With the announcement of GQuuuuuuX and its creative team, Coop and Chris take a look at FLCL and ponder what the two series might have in common.</span> <span class="full">― With the announcement of <cite>GQuuuuuuX</cite> and its creative team, Coop and Chris take a look at <cite>FLCL</cite> and ponder what the two series might have in common. Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed by the participants in this chatlog are not the views of Anime ...</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="herald box aside news t-news" data-topics="article218919 news anime"> <div class="category-line news t-news"></div> <div class="thumbnail lazyload" style="background-position: 65.550% 40.889%" data-src="/thumbnails/cover400x200/cms/news.8/218919/necronomico.webp.jpg"> <div class="overlay"> <div class="category news t-news"> news </div> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218919">2 comments</a></div> </div> <a href="/news/2024-12-12/cygames-reveals-original-tv-anime-necronomico-and-the-cosmic-horror-show-slated-for-2025-debut/.218919" data-track="id=180810&from=SB"></a> </div> <div class="wrap"> <div> <h3> <a href="/news/2024-12-12/cygames-reveals-original-tv-anime-necronomico-and-the-cosmic-horror-show-slated-for-2025-debut/.218919" data-track="id=180810&from=SB">Cygames Reveals Original TV Anime <cite>Necronomico and the Cosmic Horror Show</cite> Slated for 2025 Debut</a> </h3> <div class="byline"> <time datetime="2024-12-12T19:37:32+08:00">Dec 12, 19:37</time> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218919">2 comments</a></div> <span class="topics"> <a topic="anime" href="/all/?topic=anime" target="intro-by-topic"> anime</a> </span> </div> <div class="snippet"> <span class="hook">Anime about young live streamers stars Riho Sugiyama, Nana Usumi, Manaka Iwami</span> <span class="full">― A website opened on Thursday and revealed Cygames' original television anime titled <cite>Necronomico and the Cosmic Horror Show</cite>, which will premiere in 2025. The website also revealed the anime's main staff, cast, teaser visual, and promotional video. The anime stars: Riho Sugiyama as Miko Kurono Nana Usumi as Kanna Kagurazak...</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="herald box aside news t-news" data-topics="article218906 news anime"> <div class="category-line news t-news"></div> <div class="thumbnail lazyload" style="background-position: 50.449% 41.724%" data-src="/thumbnails/cover400x200/cms/news.8/218906/araiguma_calcaldan_visual.jpg"> <div class="overlay"> <div class="category news t-news"> news </div> </div> <a href="/news/2024-12-11/raccoon-rascal-anime-gets-new-araiguma-calcal-dan-tv-spinoff/.218906" data-track="id=180812&from=SB"></a> </div> <div class="wrap"> <div> <h3> <a href="/news/2024-12-11/raccoon-rascal-anime-gets-new-araiguma-calcal-dan-tv-spinoff/.218906" data-track="id=180812&from=SB"><cite>Raccoon Rascal</cite> Anime Gets New <cite>Araiguma Calcal-dan</cite> TV Spinoff</a> </h3> <div class="byline"> <time datetime="2024-12-12T11:42:51+08:00">Dec 12, 11:42</time> <span class="topics"> <a topic="anime" href="/all/?topic=anime" target="intro-by-topic"> anime</a> </span> </div> <div class="snippet"> <span class="hook">2025 TV anime stars Junya Enoki, Taku Yashiro, Kenshō Ono, Yōhei Azakami, Kenjirō Tsuda</span> <span class="full">― Nippon Animation announced on Thursday that it is producing a new television anime spinoff of the <cite>Raccoon Rascal</cite> (<cite>Araiguma Rascal</cite>) franchise titled <cite>Araiguma Calcal-dan</cite> (Raccoon Calcal Force) that will premiere next year. The tagline on the teaser visual reads, "A half-century after the enduring masterpiece, they...</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="herald box aside reviews t-review" data-topics="article218472 reviews novels"> <div class="category-line reviews t-review"></div> <div class="thumbnail lazyload" style="background-position: 56.800% 13.519%" data-src="/thumbnails/cover400x200/cms/review/218472/are-you-crazy.jpg"> <div class="overlay"> <div class="category reviews t-review"> review </div> </div> <a href="/review/are-you-crazy/volumes-1/.218472" data-track="id=180609&from=SB"></a> </div> <div class="wrap"> <div> <h3> <a href="/review/are-you-crazy/volumes-1/.218472" data-track="id=180609&from=SB"><cite>Are You Crazy?</cite> Volumes 1-2 Novel Review</a> </h3> <div class="byline"> <time datetime="2024-12-12T01:00:00+08:00">Dec 12, 01:00</time> <span class="topics"> <a topic="novels" href="/all/?topic=novels" target="intro-by-topic"> novels</a> </span> </div> <div class="snippet"> <span class="hook"><i>Are You Crazy?</i> isn’t the most polished series Editio has published (although the translation quality remains excellent), but it is both one of the shorter ones and a good read.</span> <span class="full">― If you're feeling worn out from isekai novels, I can't blame you. Nearly every permutation of the genre has graced our reading and watching habits for quite some time now, and even the most steadfast fans could easily feel l...</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="herald box aside news t-news" data-topics="article218887 news anime"> <div class="category-line news t-news"></div> <div class="thumbnail lazyload" style="background-position: 48.906% 12.500%" data-src="/thumbnails/cover400x200/cms/news.8/218887/tpci_aardman_partnership_teaser_image.jpg"> <div class="overlay"> <div class="category news t-news"> news </div> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218887">6 comments</a></div> </div> <a href="/news/2024-12-11/pokemon-collaborates-with-wallace-and-gromit-studio-aardman-for-special-project-in-2027/.218887" data-track="id=180731&from=SB"></a> </div> <div class="wrap"> <div> <h3> <a href="/news/2024-12-11/pokemon-collaborates-with-wallace-and-gromit-studio-aardman-for-special-project-in-2027/.218887" data-track="id=180731&from=SB"><cite>Pokémon</cite> Collaborates with <cite>Wallace & Gromit</cite> Studio Aardman for Special Project in 2027</a> </h3> <div class="byline"> <time datetime="2024-12-12T00:38:13+08:00">Dec 12, 00:38</time> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218887">6 comments</a></div> <span class="topics"> <a topic="anime" href="/all/?topic=anime" target="intro-by-topic"> anime</a> </span> </div> <div class="snippet"> <span class="hook">Video/visual unveiled</span> <span class="full">― The Pokémon Company International announced on Wednesday that it is collaborating with independent studio Aardman (<cite>Wallace & Gromit</cite>, <cite>Shaun the Sheep</cite>) for a special project in 2027. The Pokémon Company International revealed a video and visual: The companies will reveal more information in the future. <cite>Pokémon Concierge</cite>, the latest stop-motion animated series for the <cite>Pokémon</cite> fra...</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="herald box aside views t-feature" data-topics="article210860 views anime"> <div class="category-line views t-feature"></div> <div class="thumbnail lazyload" style="background-position: 61.979% 83.889%" data-src="/thumbnails/cover400x200/cms/feature/210860/train-to-the-end-of-the-world-1.jpg"> <div class="overlay"> <div class="category views t-feature"> feature </div> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/210860">30 comments</a></div> </div> <a href="/feature/2024-12-11/not-your-average-anime-about-cute-girls-doing-cute-things/.210860" data-track="id=180666&from=SB"></a> </div> <div class="wrap"> <div> <h3> <a href="/feature/2024-12-11/not-your-average-anime-about-cute-girls-doing-cute-things/.210860" data-track="id=180666&from=SB">Not Your Average Anime about Cute Girls Doing Cute Things</a> </h3> <div class="byline"> <time datetime="2024-12-11T22:00:00+08:00">Dec 11, 22:00</time> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/210860">30 comments</a></div> <span class="topics"> <a topic="anime" href="/all/?topic=anime" target="intro-by-topic"> anime</a> </span> </div> <div class="snippet"> <span class="hook">Of all the tropes and genres to repeat themselves over the years in anime, perhaps none have garnered as controversial a reputation yet passionate a following as Cute Girls Doing Cute Things.</span> <span class="full">― Of all the tropes and genres to repeat themselves over the years in anime, perhaps none have garnered as controversial a reputation yet passionate a following as Cute Girls Doing Cute Things (CGDCT). Well, bes...</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="herald box aside column t-aftershow" data-topics="article218856 column anime"> <div class="category-line column t-aftershow"></div> <div class="thumbnail lazyload" style="background-position: 46.797% 7.917%" data-src="/thumbnails/cover400x200/youtube/ZqWtKf_x9QU.jpg"> <div class="overlay"> <div class="category column t-aftershow"> column </div> </div> <a href="/aftershow/2024-12-10/.218856" data-track="id=180675&from=SB"></a> </div> <div class="wrap"> <div> <h3> <a href="/aftershow/2024-12-10/.218856" data-track="id=180675&from=SB">The ANN Aftershow - The <cite>DAN DA DAN</cite> Episode Where Everyone's Naked</a> </h3> <div class="byline"> <time datetime="2024-12-11T08:00:00+08:00">Dec 11, 08:00</time> <span class="topics"> <a topic="anime" href="/all/?topic=anime" target="intro-by-topic"> anime</a> </span> </div> <div class="snippet"> <span class="hook">Clothes are mostly optional as the DAN DA DAN crew fight aliens at school! What happens when they all merge into one super-evil entity?!</span> <span class="full">― The <cite>DAN DA DAN</cite> Episode Where Everyone's Naked Clothes are mostly optional as the Dan Da Dan crew fight aliens at school! What happens when they all merge into one super-evil entity?! The views and opinions expressed in the After Show belong solely to the show's p...</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="herald box aside reviews t-review" data-topics="article218582 reviews anime"> <div class="category-line reviews t-review"></div> <div class="thumbnail lazyload" style="background-position: 53.750% 40.833%" data-src="/thumbnails/cover400x200/cms/review/218582/newbie.jpg"> <div class="overlay"> <div class="category reviews t-review"> review </div> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218582">6 comments</a></div> </div> <a href="/review/the-ossan-newbie-adventurer-trained-to-death-by-the-most-powerful-party-became-invincible/.218582" data-track="id=180608&from=SB"></a> </div> <div class="wrap"> <div> <h3> <a href="/review/the-ossan-newbie-adventurer-trained-to-death-by-the-most-powerful-party-became-invincible/.218582" data-track="id=180608&from=SB"><cite>The Ossan Newbie Adventurer, Trained to Death by the Most Powerful Party, Became Invincible</cite> Anime Series Review</a> </h3> <div class="byline"> <time datetime="2024-12-11T01:00:00+08:00">Dec 11, 01:00</time> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218582">6 comments</a></div> <span class="topics"> <a topic="anime" href="/all/?topic=anime" target="intro-by-topic"> anime</a> </span> </div> <div class="snippet"> <span class="hook">This is one of those shows that feels like it's better than it has any right to be. It drags out overused plot contrivances but then uses them perfectly as tools to explore the characters on a deeper level.</span> <span class="full">― <cite>The Ossan Newbie Adventurer</cite> is split into two distinct arcs. The first follows Rick as he attempts to get his F-rank adventurer's license. This arc is all about introducing Rick, the world, and ...</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="herald box aside column t-this-week-in-anime" data-topics="article218784 column anime"> <div class="category-line column t-this-week-in-anime"></div> <div class="thumbnail lazyload" style="background-position: 78.021% 40.648%" data-src="/thumbnails/cover400x200/cms/this-week-in-anime/218784/steve01.jpg"> <div class="overlay"> <div class="category column t-this-week-in-anime"> column </div> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218784">21 comments</a></div> </div> <a href="/this-week-in-anime/2024-12-10/.218784" data-track="id=180641&from=SB"></a> </div> <div class="wrap"> <div> <h3> <a href="/this-week-in-anime/2024-12-10/.218784" data-track="id=180641&from=SB">This Week in Anime - Middle Earth, Circa 1978</a> </h3> <div class="byline"> <time datetime="2024-12-10T23:00:00+08:00">Dec 10, 23:00</time> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218784">21 comments</a></div> <span class="topics"> <a topic="anime" href="/all/?topic=anime" target="intro-by-topic"> anime</a> </span> </div> <div class="snippet"> <span class="hook">Before the new <cite>The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim</cite> anime film comes out, Steve and Lucas take a trip back to 1978 to talk about the original animated version.</span> <span class="full">― Before the new The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim anime film comes out, Steve and Lucas take a trip back to 1978 to talk about the original animated version. Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed by the particip...</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="herald box aside views t-newtype" data-topics="article218107 views anime"> <div class="category-line views t-newtype"></div> <div class="thumbnail lazyload" style="background-position: 51.667% 23.148%" data-src="/thumbnails/cover400x200/cms/newtype/218107/dm_ep16_cap051.png.jpg"> <div class="overlay"> <div class="category views t-newtype"> newtype </div> </div> <a href="/newtype/2024-12-10/exclusive-delicious-in-dungeon-director-yoshihiro-miyajima-reflects-on-season-1/.218107" data-track="id=180431&from=SB"></a> </div> <div class="wrap"> <div> <h3> <a href="/newtype/2024-12-10/exclusive-delicious-in-dungeon-director-yoshihiro-miyajima-reflects-on-season-1/.218107" data-track="id=180431&from=SB"><cite>Newtype</cite> Exclusive: <cite>Delicious in Dungeon</cite> Director Yoshihiro Miyajima Reflects on Season 1</a> </h3> <div class="byline"> <time datetime="2024-12-10T22:00:00+08:00">Dec 10, 22:00</time> <span class="topics"> <a topic="anime" href="/all/?topic=anime" target="intro-by-topic"> anime</a> </span> </div> <div class="snippet"> <span class="hook">Miyajima lets us go behind the scenes about casting the Canaries, bringing Izutsumi's cat-like qualities to life, and more!</span> <span class="full">― Delicious in Dungeon's first adventure has come to an end However, the second season is already underway, meaning many more future opportunities to meet Laios's party and the rest of the Delicious in Dungeon characters! First of all, we must give thanks to Laios, his companion...</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="herald box aside column t-aftershow" data-topics="article218624 column anime"> <div class="category-line column t-aftershow"></div> <div class="thumbnail lazyload" style="background-position: 63.750% 23.750%" data-src="/thumbnails/cover400x200/youtube/l2XO7b_ZksA.jpg"> <div class="overlay"> <div class="category column t-aftershow"> column </div> </div> <a href="/aftershow/2024-12-09/.218624" data-track="id=180614&from=SB"></a> </div> <div class="wrap"> <div> <h3> <a href="/aftershow/2024-12-09/.218624" data-track="id=180614&from=SB">The ANN Aftershow - <cite>DAN DA DAN's</cite> Newest Alien is a One-Two Punch!</a> </h3> <div class="byline"> <time datetime="2024-12-10T08:00:00+08:00">Dec 10, 08:00</time> <span class="topics"> <a topic="anime" href="/all/?topic=anime" target="intro-by-topic"> anime</a> </span> </div> <div class="snippet"> <span class="hook">James and Lynzee go face-to-face with Nessie and mantis shrimp alien in this week's DAN DA DAN! Plus, the latest news about the Netflix anime leaks, Miyazaki's surprising award statement, and the Sonic 3 trailer!</span> <span class="full">― <cite>DAN DA DAN's</cite> Newest Alien is a One-Two Punch! James and Lynzee go face-to-face with Nessie and mantis shrimp alien in this week's Dan Da Dan! Plus, the latest news about the Netflix anime...</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="herald box misc t-site-news" data-topics="article218817 misc anime"> <div class="category-line misc t-site-news"></div> <div class="thumbnail lazyload" style="background-position: 45.923% 15.700%" data-src="/thumbnails/cover400x200/cms/site-news/218817/bigbanner-final-1-.png.jpg"> <div class="overlay"> <div class="category misc t-site-news"> site news </div> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218817">17 comments</a></div> </div> <a href="/site-news/2024-12-09/ann-reader-choice-awards-2024-nominations-now-open/.218817" data-track="id=180606&from=SB"></a> </div> <div class="wrap"> <div> <h3> <a href="/site-news/2024-12-09/ann-reader-choice-awards-2024-nominations-now-open/.218817" data-track="id=180606&from=SB">ANN Reader's Choice Awards 2024: Nominations Now Open!</a> </h3> <div class="byline"> <time datetime="2024-12-10T03:30:00+08:00">Dec 10, 03:30</time> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218817">17 comments</a></div> <span class="topics"> <a topic="anime" href="/all/?topic=anime" target="intro-by-topic"> anime</a> </span> </div> <div class="snippet"> <span class="hook">Head into the forums to nominate Best Villain, Best Anime OST, Leading Man, Leading Lady, and Most Underrated Anime Series of the Year!</span> <span class="full">― Welcome readers, to the first annual Anime News Network Reader's Choice Awards. As ANN's editorial team gears up for the Best Anime of 2024 later this month, we're opening a selection of unique categories for readers. The first round is the nomination period, takin...</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="herald box aside news t-news" data-topics="article218804 news anime"> <div class="category-line news t-news"></div> <div class="thumbnail lazyload" style="background-position: 52.358% 39.750%" data-src="/thumbnails/cover400x200/cms/news.8/218804/takopi-original-sin-anime-visual.jpg"> <div class="overlay"> <div class="category news t-news"> news </div> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218804">12 comments</a></div> </div> <a href="/news/2024-12-09/takopi-original-sin-manga-gets-anime/.218804" data-track="id=180619&from=SB"></a> </div> <div class="wrap"> <div> <h3> <a href="/news/2024-12-09/takopi-original-sin-manga-gets-anime/.218804" data-track="id=180619&from=SB"><cite>Takopi's Original Sin</cite> Manga Gets Anime</a> </h3> <div class="byline"> <time datetime="2024-12-09T23:30:15+08:00">Dec 9, 23:30</time> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218804">12 comments</a></div> <span class="topics"> <a topic="anime" href="/all/?topic=anime" target="intro-by-topic"> anime</a> </span> </div> <div class="snippet"> <span class="hook">Taizan5 debuted manga in December 2021</span> <span class="full">― A new official website opened on Tuesday to announce that Taizan5's <cite>Takopi's Original Sin</cite> (<cite>Takopii no Genzai</cite>) manga is getting an anime. The website unveiled a visual and a video: More information will be announced at the Jump Festa 2025 event on December 22. Viz Media licensed the manga, and it describes the story: Deceptively cute alien Takopi lands on earth...</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="herald box aside reviews t-review" data-topics="article218764 reviews anime"> <div class="category-line reviews t-review"></div> <div class="thumbnail lazyload" style="background-position: 49.600% 56.577%" data-src="/thumbnails/cover400x200/cms/review/218764/batman-ninja.jpg"> <div class="overlay"> <div class="category reviews t-review"> review </div> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218764">6 comments</a></div> </div> <a href="/review/batman-ninja-vs-yakuza-league-anime-film/.218764" data-track="id=180538&from=SB"></a> </div> <div class="wrap"> <div> <h3> <a href="/review/batman-ninja-vs-yakuza-league-anime-film/.218764" data-track="id=180538&from=SB"><cite>Batman Ninja vs. Yakuza League</cite> Anime Film Review</a> </h3> <div class="byline"> <time datetime="2024-12-09T23:00:00+08:00">Dec 9, 23:00</time> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218764">6 comments</a></div> <span class="topics"> <a topic="anime" href="/all/?topic=anime" target="intro-by-topic"> anime</a> </span> </div> <div class="snippet"> <span class="hook"><cite>Batman Ninja vs. Yakuza League</cite> is an insanely fun film. It's got the perfect mix of action and comedy while still providing a story that looks into what makes some of the world's most famous superheroes who they are.</span> <span class="full">― I was filled with more than a bit of trepidation heading into <cite>Batman Ninja vs. Yakuza League</cite>'s world premiere at Tokyo Comic Con 2024. Simply put, I felt that the first <cite>Batman Ninja</cite> fi...</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="herald box aside views t-interview" data-topics="article218704 views anime"> <div class="category-line views t-interview"></div> <div class="thumbnail lazyload" style="background-position: 39.603% 9.639%" data-src="/thumbnails/cover400x200/cms/feature/218704/brianxgaia01.png.jpg"> <div class="overlay"> <div class="category views t-interview"> feature </div> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218704">6 comments</a></div> </div> <a href="/interview/2024-12-09/brian-cox-and-gaia-wise-share-their-voice-acting-stories-from-lotr-the-war-of-the-rohirrim-anime-/.218704" data-track="id=180437&from=SB"></a> </div> <div class="wrap"> <div> <h3> <a href="/interview/2024-12-09/brian-cox-and-gaia-wise-share-their-voice-acting-stories-from-lotr-the-war-of-the-rohirrim-anime-/.218704" data-track="id=180437&from=SB">Brian Cox and Gaia Wise Share Their Voice-Acting Stories from <cite>LotR: The War of the Rohirrim</cite> Anime Film</a> </h3> <div class="byline"> <time datetime="2024-12-09T22:00:00+08:00">Dec 9, 22:00</time> <div class="comments"><a href="/cms/discuss/218704">6 comments</a></div> <span class="topics"> <a topic="anime" href="/all/?topic=anime" target="intro-by-topic"> anime</a> </span> </div> <div class="snippet"> <span class="hook">The War of the Rohirrim film's leads, Wise and Cox, share their personal connections with the franchise, the difference between voice acting and live-action, and their characters' interiority.</span> <span class="full">― Actors Brian Cox and Gaia Wise lead the cast as Helm Hammerhand and Hera in the upcoming The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim anime film. <cite>The War of the Rohirrim</cite> expands on a scant few pages from J....</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div style="clear:left"></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div id="footer"> All material <a href="/copyright-policy">Copyright</a> © Anime News Network LLC. 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