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week, James Thomson and editor-in-chief James Chessell dig into what the Middle East conflict means for markets, examine Virgin’s deal with Qatar, and ask whether the RBA should be meeting with banks and investors behind closed doors.","allowComments":false,"body":"\u003Cp\u003EThis week on the Chanticleer podcast, James Thomson and \u003Ci\u003EFinancial Review \u003C\u002Fi\u003Eeditor-in-chief James Chessell dig into what the Middle East conflict means for markets, examine Virgin Australia’s big deal with Qatar Airways, and ask whether the RBA should be meeting with banks and investors behind closed doors.\u003C\u002Fp\u003E\u003Cp\u003EListen to the full conversation below, or download the podcast from \u003Cx-placeholder id=\"494bfda136f0757953420374c8134f0bb4ba1f37\"\u003E\u003C\u002Fx-placeholder\u003E, \u003Cx-placeholder id=\"7c8187831e95c300a549a68f43dfff593282040c\"\u003E\u003C\u002Fx-placeholder\u003E or wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes of the Chanticleer podcast are available every Friday at 5pm AEST.\u003C\u002Fp\u003E\u003Cx-placeholder id=\"8e3da490f158bfca5b1812baeb0cd917c328467b\"\u003E\u003C\u002Fx-placeholder\u003E\u003Ch2\u003EMarket’s war footing\u003C\u002Fh2\u003E\u003Cp\u003E\u003Cstrong\u003EJames Thomson: \u003C\u002Fstrong\u003EFears of a full-scale regional conflict in the Middle East are rising, and they’re very real. It’s even become an issue in Australian politics, but markets are largely unmoved.\u003C\u002Fp\u003E\u003Cp\u003EOil has jumped around a bit, but global sharemarkets are really looking past this. Has that surprised you at all?\u003C\u002Fp\u003E\u003Cp\u003E\u003Cstrong\u003EJames Chessell:\u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E It’s a really good question, James. I think the geopolitical environment is very, very fraught, to say the least. And notwithstanding the optimism that has permeated markets in recent weeks ... I would have expected a little bit more nervousness about how this may play out.\u003C\u002Fp\u003E\u003Cp\u003EIt obviously says two things: many investors are expecting some kind of resolution that doesn’t involve a worst-case scenario, and that would probably differ with some of the geopolitical observers that we talk to every day at \u003Cem\u003EThe Australian Financial Review\u003C\u002Fem\u003E. It also says a bit about the inbuilt optimism in global markets at the moment.\u003C\u002Fp\u003E\u003Cp\u003E\u003Cstrong\u003EThomson:\u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E I think it also says that perhaps some parts of the global economy are going the other way.\u003C\u002Fp\u003E\u003Cp\u003EIf you think about the oil price, it’s supposed to be the main transmission mechanism when we have conflict in the Middle East – oil goes up, and we’ve seen a bit of that this week. But oil is at $US75 a barrel, right? It was at $US90 back in May, and we’ve had in the last few days the Saudi energy minister come out and say oil is actually more likely to go to $US50 a barrel than $US100 a barrel because the demand is not there.\u003C\u002Fp\u003E\u003Cp\u003ESo, that’s the other thing … demand is not really strong in Europe [or China], and on top of that, none of this conflict has really affected the supply of oil.\u003C\u002Fp\u003E\u003Cp\u003EIran’s oil supply is at a six-year high. So, even with all this stuff going on, they’re still managing to get plenty of barrels out into the world. It just shows you that our perceptions of what goes wrong in a conflict like this sometimes don’t match reality.\u003C\u002Fp\u003E\u003Ch2\u003EVirgin v Qantas fight\u003C\u002Fh2\u003E\u003Cp\u003E\u003Cstrong\u003EThomson:\u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E We don’t know what Qatar paid [for its 25 per cent stake in Virgin Australia], but this is pretty good news for Virgin, which infamously collapsed into administration in 2020 and was ultimately rescued by a US private equity firm called Bain Capital.\u003C\u002Fp\u003E\u003Cp\u003EVirgin and Qatar will team up to help Virgin get back into the international travel game. From next year, Virgin customers will be able to fly from Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney and Perth to Doha and then on to Europe, which should help bring ticket prices down.\u003C\u002Fp\u003E\u003Cp\u003EBut Virgin boss Jayne Hrdlicka was most excited about the potential for this deal to improve Virgin’s competitiveness against Qantas in the domestic market. 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