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href="/wiki/File:WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization_logo.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fe/WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization_logo.jpg/35px-WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization_logo.jpg" decoding="async" width="35" height="19" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fe/WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization_logo.jpg/53px-WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization_logo.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fe/WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization_logo.jpg/70px-WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization_logo.jpg 2x" data-file-width="918" data-file-height="486"/></a></span></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization">Succession Box Standardization</a> </td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization_logo.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fe/WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization_logo.jpg/160px-WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization_logo.jpg" decoding="async" width="160" height="85" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fe/WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization_logo.jpg/240px-WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization_logo.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fe/WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization_logo.jpg/320px-WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization_logo.jpg 2x" data-file-width="918" data-file-height="486"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This template is within the scope of the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization">WikiProject Succession Box Standardization</a></b>, a collaborative effort to bring all succession boxes across Wikipedia up to a specific set of standards. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Succession Box Standardization</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Succession Box Standardization articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-protection" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/53/Template-protection-shackle.svg/45px-Template-protection-shackle.svg.png" decoding="async" width="45" height="45" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/53/Template-protection-shackle.svg/68px-Template-protection-shackle.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/53/Template-protection-shackle.svg/90px-Template-protection-shackle.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><a href="/wiki/Template:S-ttl" title="Template:S-ttl">Template:S-ttl</a> is <b>permanently <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Protection_policy" title="Wikipedia:Protection policy">protected</a> from editing</b> because it is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:High-risk_templates" title="Wikipedia:High-risk templates">heavily used or highly visible template</a>. Substantial changes should first be proposed and discussed here on this page. If the proposal is uncontroversial or has been discussed and is supported by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus" title="Wikipedia:Consensus">consensus</a>, editors may use {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_template-protected" title="Template:Edit template-protected">edit template-protected</a>}} to notify an administrator or template editor to make the requested edit. Usually, any contributor may edit the template's <b><a href="/wiki/Template:S-ttl/doc" title="Template:S-ttl/doc">documentation</a></b> to add usage notes or <a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">categories</a>. <p>Any contributor may edit the template's <b><a href="/wiki/Template:S-ttl/sandbox" title="Template:S-ttl/sandbox">sandbox</a></b>. This template does not have a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_sandbox_and_test_cases" title="Wikipedia:Template sandbox and test cases">testcases</a> subpage. You can create the testcases subpage <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:S-ttl/testcases&action=edit&preload=Template:Documentation/preload-testcases&summary=Create+%5B%5BWP%3ATESTCASES%7Ctest+cases%5D%5D+for+%5B%5BTemplate%3AS-ttl%5D%5D">here</a>. </p> <div style="padding:0.5em"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1127644699">.mw-parser-output #request_edit_inputbox .commentboxInput,.mw-parser-output #request_edit_inputbox br{display:none}</style> <div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="commentbox" class="commentbox mw-inputbox-form" action="/w/index.php" method="get" id="request_edit_inputbox"><input type="hidden" value="edit" name="action"/><input type="hidden" value="Template:Request edit button/preload" name="preload"/><input type="hidden" value="Edit template-protected" name="preloadparams[]"/><div class="cdx-text-input"><input type="hidden" name="preloadtitle" class="mw-inputbox-input commentboxInput cdx-text-input__input" value="Edit request {{subst:#time:j F Y}}" placeholder="" size="50" dir="ltr"/></div><input type="hidden" value="new" name="section"/><input type="hidden" value="Template talk:S-ttl" name="title"/><br/><input type="submit" name="create" value="Request edit" class="cdx-button cdx-button--action-progressive cdx-button--weight-primary"/></form></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Increase_of_regents_parameters_from_three_to_eight" data-mw-thread-id="h-Increase_of_regents_parameters_from_three_to_eight-2008-06-06T06:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Increase_of_regents_parameters_from_three_to_eight-2008-06-06T06:55:00.000Z"></span>Increase of regents parameters from three to eight<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Increase_of_regents_parameters_from_three_to_eight-2008-06-06T06:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Increase of regents parameters from three to eight"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2008-06-06T06:55:00.000Z-Increase_of_regents_parameters_from_three_to_eight"></span>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Editprotected" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Editprotected">editprotected</a>}} </p><p>I request, following discussions at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:SBS#Several_thoughts" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:SBS">"Several thoughts"</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:SBS#Canadian_ministry_template_sets" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:SBS">"Canadian ministry template sets"</a>), the addition of code for five additional regent parameters, in order to increase the total number to eight and allow for the potential use of the parameters for MPs in multiple-seat constituencies. </p><p>The proposed code for the template is the following: </p> <pre style="font-size:95%; width:95%; overflow:auto;"><includeonly>|width="40%" style="text-align: center;" rowspan="{{{rows|1}}}"|'''{{{title}}}'''{{#if:{{{district|}}}|<br/><small>'''''Representative for {{{district}}}'''''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{dynasty|}}}|<br/>''{{{dynasty}}}''|}}{{#if:{{{creation|}}}|<br/>''{{{creation}}}''|}}{{#if:{{{years|}}}|<br />{{{years}}}|}}{{#if:{{{regent1|}}}|<br/>''with {{{regent1}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years1|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years1}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent2|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent2}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years2|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years2}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent3|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent3}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years3|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years3}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent4|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent4}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years4|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years4}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent5|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent5}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years5|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years5}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent6|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent6}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years6|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years6}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent7|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent7}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years7|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years7}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent8|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent8}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years8|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years8}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{alongside|}}}|<br/><small>Served alongside: '''{{{alongside}}}'''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{lords|}}}|<br/><small>''Member of the [[House of Lords]]''<br/>''({{{lords}}})''</small>|}}</includeonly><noinclude> {{pp-template|small=yes}} {{documentation}} </noinclude> </pre> <p>The additions are actually rather simple; one only has to copy the code for a regent and their year and adjust the numbers. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Duke_of_Waltham" title="User:The Duke of Waltham">Waltham</a>, <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Duke_of_Waltham" title="User talk:The Duke of Waltham"><i>The Duke of</i></a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2008-06-06T06:55:00.000Z-Increase_of_regents_parameters_from_three_to_eight" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2008-06-06T06:55:00.000Z-Increase_of_regents_parameters_from_three_to_eight"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2008-06-06T06:55:00.000Z-Increase_of_regents_parameters_from_three_to_eight"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nihiltres-2008-06-06T19:01:00.000Z-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2008-06-06T06:55:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Yes_check.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span><span style="display:none">Y</span> <b>Done</b> – <a href="/wiki/User:Nihiltres" title="User:Nihiltres"><span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span></a><sup><b>{</b><span class="plainlinks"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nihiltres" title="User talk:Nihiltres"><span style="color:#000;">t</span></a>.<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?user=Nihiltres"><span style="color:#000;">l</span></a></span><b>}</b></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Nihiltres-2008-06-06T19:01:00.000Z-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2008-06-06T06:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nihiltres-2008-06-06T19:01:00.000Z-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2008-06-06T06:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nihiltres-2008-06-06T19:01:00.000Z-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2008-06-06T06:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Alongside..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Alongside...-2008-09-01T11:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Alongside...-2008-09-01T11:44:00.000Z"></span>Alongside...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alongside...-2008-09-01T11:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Alongside..."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bazj-2008-09-01T11:44:00.000Z-Alongside..."></span>The text for alongside doesn't really work for non-political titles, see <a href="/wiki/Neville_Bonner#External_Links" title="Neville Bonner">Neville Bonner#External Links</a>. I suggest dropping the word "Served". <a href="/wiki/User:Bazj" title="User:Bazj">Bazj</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bazj" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Bazj">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Bazj-2008-09-01T11:44:00.000Z-Alongside..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bazj-2008-09-01T11:44:00.000Z-Alongside..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bazj-2008-09-01T11:44:00.000Z-Alongside..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Opera_hat-2008-09-04T23:23:00.000Z-Bazj-2008-09-01T11:44:00.000Z"></span>Or replacing "alongside" with "with" as is used for MPs for multiple-seat constituencies, e.g. <a href="/wiki/William_Yates_Peel" title="William Yates Peel">William Yates Peel</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Opera_hat" title="User:Opera hat">Opera hat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Opera_hat" title="User talk:Opera hat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Opera_hat-2008-09-04T23:23:00.000Z-Bazj-2008-09-01T11:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:23, 4 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Opera_hat-2008-09-04T23:23:00.000Z-Bazj-2008-09-01T11:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Opera_hat-2008-09-04T23:23:00.000Z-Bazj-2008-09-01T11:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Post_consulatum_Longini" data-mw-thread-id="h-Post_consulatum_Longini-2010-08-11T15:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Post_consulatum_Longini-2010-08-11T15:42:00.000Z"></span>Post consulatum Longini<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Post_consulatum_Longini-2010-08-11T15:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Post consulatum Longini"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TakenakaN-2010-08-11T15:42:00.000Z-Post_consulatum_Longini"></span>Is it possible to add a parameter that puts a text where the "alongside" and "with" parameters put, but without adding any text before? I need to put "<i>post consulatum Longini</i> (East)", but it is impossible, if I understand correctly. --<a href="/wiki/User:TakenakaN" title="User:TakenakaN">TakenakaN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TakenakaN" title="User talk:TakenakaN">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-TakenakaN-2010-08-11T15:42:00.000Z-Post_consulatum_Longini" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 11 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TakenakaN-2010-08-11T15:42:00.000Z-Post_consulatum_Longini"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TakenakaN-2010-08-11T15:42:00.000Z-Post_consulatum_Longini"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Add_|colspan=?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Add_|colspan=?-2011-02-19T10:15:00.000Z"><span id="Add_.7Ccolspan.3D.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Add_|colspan=?-2011-02-19T10:15:00.000Z"></span>Add <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|colspan=</code>?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Add_|colspan=?-2011-02-19T10:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Add |colspan=?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-2011-02-19T10:15:00.000Z-Add_|colspan=?"></span>It would be pretty usefull for tables like <a href="/wiki/Karmichael_Hunt#Career_statistics" title="Karmichael Hunt">this one</a> to have the ability to have a cell span the whole table. Doesn't seem like a hard thing to implement (basically add something like <code>colspan="{{{columns|1}}}"</code> right before <code>rowspan="{{{rows|1}}}"</code>. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">contribs</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">physics</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">books</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Headbomb-2011-02-19T10:15:00.000Z-Add_|colspan=?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:15, 19 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-2011-02-19T10:15:00.000Z-Add_|colspan=?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-2011-02-19T10:15:00.000Z-Add_|colspan=?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2011-02-20T10:50:00.000Z-Headbomb-2011-02-19T10:15:00.000Z"></span>I confess that this is a most surprising and anomalous use of succession boxes; it lies entirely outside the remit of this template system as it is understood by the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization">WikiProject</a> managing it. As far as I can tell, succession boxes have been intended since their very inception for titles which form succession chains (i.e., are passed from one holder to the next), and the current system has been designed with this function alone in mind. I do not know when they were considered appropriate for listing all manner of records, but your proposal amounts to facilitating a major shift in the character and scope of the succession box system. Therefore, I propose taking it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:SBS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:SBS">WT:SBS</a>, where others can weigh in. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Duke_of_Waltham" title="User:The Duke of Waltham">Waltham</a>, <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Duke_of_Waltham" title="User talk:The Duke of Waltham"><i>The Duke of</i></a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2011-02-20T10:50:00.000Z-Headbomb-2011-02-19T10:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:50, 20 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2011-02-20T10:50:00.000Z-Headbomb-2011-02-19T10:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2011-02-20T10:50:00.000Z-Headbomb-2011-02-19T10:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-2011-02-20T10:52:00.000Z-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2011-02-20T10:50:00.000Z"></span>Well the alternative seems to live with people hard-coding a hack. But I'll mention it to SBS. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">contribs</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">physics</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">books</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Headbomb-2011-02-20T10:52:00.000Z-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2011-02-20T10:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:52, 20 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-2011-02-20T10:52:00.000Z-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2011-02-20T10:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-2011-02-20T10:52:00.000Z-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2011-02-20T10:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2011-02-23T14:47:00.000Z-Headbomb-2011-02-20T10:52:00.000Z"></span>I do not like hacks, but using something other than a succession box for this type of statistics would be closer to what I had in mind... We'll see. Thank you for making the post at SBS; I just hope that replies will be forthcoming soon enough because I don't trust myself to come up with a satisfactory solution on my own. We have something of a staffing problem, you see. <a href="/wiki/User:The_Duke_of_Waltham" title="User:The Duke of Waltham">Waltham</a>, <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Duke_of_Waltham" title="User talk:The Duke of Waltham"><i>The Duke of</i></a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2011-02-23T14:47:00.000Z-Headbomb-2011-02-20T10:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 23 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2011-02-23T14:47:00.000Z-Headbomb-2011-02-20T10:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2011-02-23T14:47:00.000Z-Headbomb-2011-02-20T10:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BrownHairedGirl-2011-05-10T14:20:00.000Z-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2011-02-23T14:47:00.000Z"></span>It seems to me that the usage sought should not be in a succession box. It looks like something which could and should be included in an infobox. --<a href="/wiki/User:BrownHairedGirl" title="User:BrownHairedGirl"><span style="color:#996600; cursor: not-allowed;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrownHairedGirl" title="User talk:BrownHairedGirl">(talk)</a> • (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl" title="Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl">contribs</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-BrownHairedGirl-2011-05-10T14:20:00.000Z-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2011-02-23T14:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 10 May 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BrownHairedGirl-2011-05-10T14:20:00.000Z-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2011-02-23T14:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BrownHairedGirl-2011-05-10T14:20:00.000Z-The_Duke_of_Waltham-2011-02-23T14:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_field_"claim"" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_field_"claim"-2012-05-10T14:06:00.000Z"><span id="New_field_.22claim.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_field_"claim"-2012-05-10T14:06:00.000Z"></span>New field "claim"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_field_"claim"-2012-05-10T14:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: New field "claim""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinvl-2012-05-10T14:06:00.000Z-New_field_"claim""></span>A discussion has been opened up at <a href="/wiki/Line_of_succession_to_the_British_throne" class="mw-redirect" title="Line of succession to the British throne">Line of succession to the British throne</a> regarding a new field "claim". This field would be handled exactly the same way as the "creation" field is handled. I have demonstrated its use in the artcile <a href="/wiki/Prince_Friso_of_Orange-Nassau" title="Prince Friso of Orange-Nassau">Prince Friso of Orange-Nassau</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Martinvl" title="User:Martinvl">Martinvl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinvl" title="User talk:Martinvl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Martinvl-2012-05-10T14:06:00.000Z-New_field_"claim"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 10 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinvl-2012-05-10T14:06:00.000Z-New_field_"claim""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinvl-2012-05-10T14:06:00.000Z-New_field_"claim""></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_request_on_10_May_2012" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_request_on_10_May_2012-2012-05-10T18:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_request_on_10_May_2012-2012-05-10T18:28:00.000Z"></span>Edit request on 10 May 2012<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_request_on_10_May_2012-2012-05-10T18:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Edit request on 10 May 2012"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinvl-2012-05-10T18:28:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_10_May_2012"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="full"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd>It is requested that the text <dl><dd>{{#if:{{{creation|}}}|<br />''{{{creation}}}''|}}</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>be replaced by the text <dl><dd>{{#if:{{{creation|}}}|<br />''{{{creation}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{claim|}}}|<br />''{{{claim}}}''|}}</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>This will create a new field <i>claim</i> that will behave in exactly the same was as the field <i>creation</i>. If both fields are filled, the template will display the creation text ahead of the claim text.</dd></dl> <p><b>Justification</b> </p> <dl><dd>The purpose of this change is to document the claim that somebody might have to the title when that claim is not actually mentioned in the article itself. For example, see the claim that <a href="/wiki/Prince_Friso_of_Orange-Nassau" title="Prince Friso of Orange-Nassau">Prince Friso of Orange-Nassau</a> has in the <a href="/wiki/List_of_succession_to_the_British_throne" class="mw-redirect" title="List of succession to the British throne">List of succession to the British throne</a>. This has been discussed at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Line_of_succession_to_the_British_throne" title="Talk:Line of succession to the British throne">Talk:Line of succession to the British throne</a>. The only areas of controversy are misuse (hence documentation) and "field creep".</dd></dl> <dl><dd>Once done,I will update the documentation. <a href="/wiki/User:Martinvl" title="User:Martinvl">Martinvl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinvl" title="User talk:Martinvl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Martinvl-2012-05-10T18:28:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_10_May_2012" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 10 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinvl-2012-05-10T18:28:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_10_May_2012"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinvl-2012-05-10T18:28:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_10_May_2012"></span></dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Martinvl" title="User:Martinvl"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinvl-2012-05-10T18:28:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_10_May_2012-1"></span>Martinvl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinvl" title="User talk:Martinvl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Martinvl-2012-05-10T18:28:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_10_May_2012-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:28, 10 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinvl-2012-05-10T18:28:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_10_May_2012-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinvl-2012-05-10T18:28:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_10_May_2012-1"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Decker-2012-05-13T06:37:00.000Z-Martinvl-2012-05-10T18:28:00.000Z"></span>I'd like the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization">SBS</a> to have a chance to weigh in on this discussion if they haven't already. I've notified them. Technically it's a simple enough change, of course. I'll leave the request open for now. --<a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Decker" title="User:Joe Decker">joe decker</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Decker" title="User talk:Joe Decker"><sup><small><i>talk to me</i></small></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Joe_Decker-2012-05-13T06:37:00.000Z-Martinvl-2012-05-10T18:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:37, 13 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Decker-2012-05-13T06:37:00.000Z-Martinvl-2012-05-10T18:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Decker-2012-05-13T06:37:00.000Z-Martinvl-2012-05-10T18:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thumperward-2012-05-14T13:48:00.000Z-Joe_Decker-2012-05-13T06:37:00.000Z"></span>Disabling editprotected request for the time being to see if any objections are raised from the WikiProject. If not, ping me and I'll action this. <a href="/wiki/User:Thumperward" title="User:Thumperward">Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thumperward" title="User talk:Thumperward">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Thumperward-2012-05-14T13:48:00.000Z-Joe_Decker-2012-05-13T06:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 14 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thumperward-2012-05-14T13:48:00.000Z-Joe_Decker-2012-05-13T06:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thumperward-2012-05-14T13:48:00.000Z-Joe_Decker-2012-05-13T06:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Data_granularity" data-mw-thread-id="h-Data_granularity-2013-07-22T13:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Data_granularity-2013-07-22T13:40:00.000Z"></span>Data granularity<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Data_granularity-2013-07-22T13:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Data granularity"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-2013-07-22T13:40:00.000Z-Data_granularity"></span>In this template on, for example, <a href="/wiki/William_Kelly_Wallace" title="William Kelly Wallace">William Kelly Wallace</a>, we have <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|years=November 1955 – November 1956</code>. I propose that we subdivide that parameter, so that we would have something like: <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|date-from=November 1955</code> <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|date-to=November 1956</code> (and hard-code the en-dash in the template code), so that we have more granular data to aid machine readability. Once the template is recoded, we'd run a bot to convert the existing parameters. Any thoughts? Can you help? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Pigsonthewing-2013-07-22T13:40:00.000Z-Data_granularity" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 22 July 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-2013-07-22T13:40:00.000Z-Data_granularity"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-2013-07-22T13:40:00.000Z-Data_granularity"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Joe_Decker-2013-07-22T13:56:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2013-07-22T13:40:00.000Z"></span>Sensible change, I'm not in a position to help with the bot coding right now, I'm afraid. --<a href="/wiki/User:Joe_Decker" title="User:Joe Decker">j⚛e decker</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joe_Decker" title="User talk:Joe Decker"><sup><small><i>talk</i></small></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Joe_Decker-2013-07-22T13:56:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2013-07-22T13:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:56, 22 July 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Joe_Decker-2013-07-22T13:56:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2013-07-22T13:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Joe_Decker-2013-07-22T13:56:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2013-07-22T13:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DBD-2013-07-22T16:18:00.000Z-Joe_Decker-2013-07-22T13:56:00.000Z"></span>The 'years' parameter isn't always used for dates – it is sometimes (whether or not it should be!) used for text, explanation, description or similar. <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:DBD" title="User:DBD">D</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:DBD" title="User talk:DBD">B</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/DBD" title="Special:Contributions/DBD">D</a></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-DBD-2013-07-22T16:18:00.000Z-Joe_Decker-2013-07-22T13:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 22 July 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DBD-2013-07-22T16:18:00.000Z-Joe_Decker-2013-07-22T13:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DBD-2013-07-22T16:18:00.000Z-Joe_Decker-2013-07-22T13:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Choess-2013-07-22T18:15:00.000Z-DBD-2013-07-22T16:18:00.000Z"></span>That's, ah, very broken; the template has other parameters better suited for that sort of thing. If there are things that don't match dates in the year parameter, the bot should probably shovel them into some kind of maintenance category. I think it's generally a good idea, although I would call the parameters "from" and "to" (a lot of these templates are maintained "by hand", and I'd prefer to document their role on the template's documentation page rather than needlessly lengthening their own names). Maybe also a tweak to the template to suppress display of the range if "from" and "to" are identical, a not uncommon situation? <a href="/wiki/User:Choess" title="User:Choess">Choess</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Choess" title="User talk:Choess">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Choess-2013-07-22T18:15:00.000Z-DBD-2013-07-22T16:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 22 July 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Choess-2013-07-22T18:15:00.000Z-DBD-2013-07-22T16:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Choess-2013-07-22T18:15:00.000Z-DBD-2013-07-22T16:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Change_in_title_name" data-mw-thread-id="h-Change_in_title_name-2014-02-25T17:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Change_in_title_name-2014-02-25T17:56:00.000Z"></span>Change in title name<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Change_in_title_name-2014-02-25T17:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Change in title name"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Circeus-2014-02-25T17:56:00.000Z-Change_in_title_name"></span>Do we want the correct format when a person succeeds themselves to a position that has in fact only changed name to include multiple rows? See for example the succession box in <a href="/wiki/Mikhail_Gorbachev" title="Mikhail Gorbachev">Mikhail Gorbachev</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Circeus" title="User:Circeus">Circéus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Circeus" title="User talk:Circeus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Circeus-2014-02-25T17:56:00.000Z-Change_in_title_name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 25 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Circeus-2014-02-25T17:56:00.000Z-Change_in_title_name"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Circeus-2014-02-25T17:56:00.000Z-Change_in_title_name"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Adding_"Disputed_by"_and_"uxoris"_parameters" data-mw-thread-id="h-Adding_"Disputed_by"_and_"uxoris"_parameters-2015-11-25T22:50:00.000Z"><span id="Adding_.22Disputed_by.22_and_.22uxoris.22_parameters"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Adding_"Disputed_by"_and_"uxoris"_parameters-2015-11-25T22:50:00.000Z"></span>Adding "Disputed by" and "uxoris" parameters<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Adding_"Disputed_by"_and_"uxoris"_parameters-2015-11-25T22:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Adding "Disputed by" and "uxoris" parameters"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whaleyland-2015-11-25T22:50:00.000Z-Adding_"Disputed_by"_and_"uxoris"_parameters"></span>I've been testing a slightly altered version of the code at <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Whaleyland/Template:s-ttl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Whaleyland/Template:s-ttl (page does not exist)">User:Whaleyland/Template:s-ttl</a> to try and add two new parameters to resolve issues I've been coming across. The "Disputed" parameter will add an extra "with" line below the current 25 lines to allow the listing of a rival to the title. We may want to expand this parameter out further to a few more numbers. The style is identical to that of "with" except it says "Disputed by:". </p><p>The other parameter is to resolve a formatting error that occurs when people try to add "jure uxoris" beside a title. "Jure uxoris" means "in right of wife" in Latin and was a fairly common term used in medieval and early modern law when husbands took their wife's title. The parameter, which currently is just "uxoris" (the user must enter any plain text as the response or it will not show up), prompts "<i>(jure uxoris</i>" beside the title. </p><p>Here's a sample of the code: </p> <table class="wikitable succession-box noprint" style="margin:0.5em auto; font-size:small;clear:both;"> <tbody><tr style="text-align:center;"> <td style="width:30%;" rowspan="1">Preceded by<div style="font-weight: bold"><a href="/wiki/John_III,_Duke_of_Brittany" title="John III, Duke of Brittany">John III</a></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Whaleyland/Template:s-ttl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Whaleyland/Template:s-ttl (page does not exist)">User:Whaleyland/Template:s-ttl</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Whaleyland/Template:s-aft&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Whaleyland/Template:s-aft (page does not exist)">User:Whaleyland/Template:s-aft</a> </p> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>What do you guys think? How do you think this should be improved or expanded? One thing I'd like to do is try to get it so typing "uxoris" automatically prompts the command without the need of typing "=" or anything after that. Let me know.<span style="font-size:90%;"> – <a href="/wiki/User:Whaleyland" title="User:Whaleyland"><b style="color:crimson;">Whaleyland</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whaleyland" title="User talk:Whaleyland"><span style="color:royalblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Whaleyland" title="Special:Contributions/Whaleyland"><span style="color:purple;">Contributions</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Whaleyland-2015-11-25T22:50:00.000Z-Adding_"Disputed_by"_and_"uxoris"_parameters" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:50, 25 November 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whaleyland-2015-11-25T22:50:00.000Z-Adding_"Disputed_by"_and_"uxoris"_parameters"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whaleyland-2015-11-25T22:50:00.000Z-Adding_"Disputed_by"_and_"uxoris"_parameters"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whaleyland-2015-11-25T23:18:00.000Z-Whaleyland-2015-11-25T22:50:00.000Z"></span>Fixed the issue with the parameter needing a value. Now just typing "uxoris" should prompt the data.<span style="font-size:90%;"> – <a href="/wiki/User:Whaleyland" title="User:Whaleyland"><b style="color:crimson;">Whaleyland</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whaleyland" title="User talk:Whaleyland"><span style="color:royalblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Whaleyland" title="Special:Contributions/Whaleyland"><span style="color:purple;">Contributions</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Whaleyland-2015-11-25T23:18:00.000Z-Whaleyland-2015-11-25T22:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 25 November 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whaleyland-2015-11-25T23:18:00.000Z-Whaleyland-2015-11-25T22:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whaleyland-2015-11-25T23:18:00.000Z-Whaleyland-2015-11-25T22:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Add_series_ordinal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Add_series_ordinal-2018-03-09T01:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Add_series_ordinal-2018-03-09T01:48:00.000Z"></span>Add series ordinal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Add_series_ordinal-2018-03-09T01:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Add series ordinal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-09T01:48:00.000Z-Add_series_ordinal"></span>I propose adding a parameter called <code>order</code>, which would allow an editor to indicate that a person was the <i>nth</i> holder of an office and where the <code>creation</code> parameter would not be applicable. This would be displayed in front of the title. For example, for <a href="/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson" title="Woodrow Wilson">Woodrow Wilson</a>, one would enter:<br/><code> {{s-bef|before=[[William Howard Taft]]}}<br/> {{s-ttl|title=[[President of the United States]]|years=1913–1921|order=28th}}<br/> {{s-aft|after=[[Warren G. Harding]]}}</code><br/> The output of the title line would be: "<b>28th <a href="/wiki/President_of_the_United_States" title="President of the United States">President of the United States</a></b>". This is a feature that already exists in <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_officeholder" title="Template:Infobox officeholder">Infobox officeholder</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. It would make sense to enable it here. <a href="/wiki/User:Ergo_Sum" title="User:Ergo Sum"><b><span style="color:#0645AD">Ergo Sum</span></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-09T01:48:00.000Z-Add_series_ordinal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:48, 9 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-09T01:48:00.000Z-Add_series_ordinal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-09T01:48:00.000Z-Add_series_ordinal"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whaleyland-2018-03-09T21:47:00.000Z-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-09T01:48:00.000Z"></span>Support</b> – I see no problem with the idea. Granted, it could be overused if people start numbering counts and dukes and whatnot, but many of the British aristocratic articles already do that, so I suppose it's fine. <span style="font-size:90%;"> – <a href="/wiki/User:Whaleyland" title="User:Whaleyland"><b style="color:crimson;">Whaleyland</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whaleyland" title="User talk:Whaleyland"><span style="color:royalblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Whaleyland" title="Special:Contributions/Whaleyland"><span style="color:purple;">Contributions</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Whaleyland-2018-03-09T21:47:00.000Z-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-09T01:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 9 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whaleyland-2018-03-09T21:47:00.000Z-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-09T01:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whaleyland-2018-03-09T21:47:00.000Z-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-09T01:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-10T03:51:00.000Z-Whaleyland-2018-03-09T21:47:00.000Z"></span>I just put this proposal in the sandbox, which can be seen <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:S-ttl/sandbox&oldid=829684152">here</a>. The only thing I'm unsure of is whether the <i>nth</i> number displayed should be bolded or not. I'm inclined to say it should be bolded, since the title after it is already bolded. <a href="/wiki/User:Ergo_Sum" title="User:Ergo Sum"><b><span style="color:#0645AD">Ergo Sum</span></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-10T03:51:00.000Z-Whaleyland-2018-03-09T21:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:51, 10 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-10T03:51:00.000Z-Whaleyland-2018-03-09T21:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-10T03:51:00.000Z-Whaleyland-2018-03-09T21:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whaleyland-2018-03-10T07:55:00.000Z-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-10T03:51:00.000Z"></span>Definitely keep it bolded for stylistic reasons. Now that I've looked around, it appears the number has disappeared for most aristocrats in their succession boxes, but they are still there in the article titles, and of course those are bold so keep it bold for sure. <span style="font-size:90%;"> – <a href="/wiki/User:Whaleyland" title="User:Whaleyland"><b style="color:crimson;">Whaleyland</b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whaleyland" title="User talk:Whaleyland"><span style="color:royalblue;">Talk</span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Whaleyland" title="Special:Contributions/Whaleyland"><span style="color:purple;">Contributions</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Whaleyland-2018-03-10T07:55:00.000Z-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-10T03:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:55, 10 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whaleyland-2018-03-10T07:55:00.000Z-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-10T03:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whaleyland-2018-03-10T07:55:00.000Z-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-10T03:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-14T18:46:00.000Z-Add_series_ordinal"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Done</b> <a href="/wiki/User:Ergo_Sum" title="User:Ergo Sum"><b><span style="color:#0645AD">Ergo Sum</span></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-14T18:46:00.000Z-Add_series_ordinal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 14 March 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-14T18:46:00.000Z-Add_series_ordinal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ergo_Sum-2018-03-14T18:46:00.000Z-Add_series_ordinal"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_considerations_now_that_members_of_the_House_of_Lords_are_elected?" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_considerations_now_that_members_of_the_House_of_Lords_are_elected?-2018-11-30T10:09:00.000Z"><span id="New_considerations_now_that_members_of_the_House_of_Lords_are_elected.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_considerations_now_that_members_of_the_House_of_Lords_are_elected?-2018-11-30T10:09:00.000Z"></span>New considerations now that members of the House of Lords are elected?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_considerations_now_that_members_of_the_House_of_Lords_are_elected?-2018-11-30T10:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: New considerations now that members of the House of Lords are elected?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T10:09:00.000Z-New_considerations_now_that_members_of_the_House_of_Lords_are_elected?"></span>Now that members of the House of Lords are elected, do we need to add a new parameter to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:S-par" title="Template:S-par">s-par</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>? </p><p>I mean, if you look at <a href="/wiki/Rupert_Ponsonby,_7th_Baron_de_Mauley" title="Rupert Ponsonby, 7th Baron de Mauley">Rupert Ponsonby, 7th Baron de Mauley</a> (if it weren't for the different year), and <a href="/wiki/Rupert_Carington,_7th_Baron_Carrington" title="Rupert Carington, 7th Baron Carrington">Rupert Carington, 7th Baron Carrington</a>, both appear to have succeeded their fathers to the seat in the House of Lords, which they didn't. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:HandsomeFella" title="User:HandsomeFella">HandsomeFella</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HandsomeFella" title="User talk:HandsomeFella">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T10:09:00.000Z-New_considerations_now_that_members_of_the_House_of_Lords_are_elected?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T10:09:00.000Z-New_considerations_now_that_members_of_the_House_of_Lords_are_elected?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T10:09:00.000Z-New_considerations_now_that_members_of_the_House_of_Lords_are_elected?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cabayi-2018-11-30T13:01:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T10:09:00.000Z"></span>I think it's clearer to use 2 successions, one to the peerage, one to the seat. Looking at Carinigton, he inherited the peerage from his father <a href="/wiki/Peter_Carington,_6th_Baron_Carrington" title="Peter Carington, 6th Baron Carrington">Peter Carington, 6th Baron Carrington</a>, but he succeeded to the seat in HoL formerly occupied by <a href="/wiki/Christopher_James,_5th_Baron_Northbourne" title="Christopher James, 5th Baron Northbourne">Christopher James, 5th Baron Northbourne</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Cabayi" title="User:Cabayi">Cabayi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cabayi" title="User talk:Cabayi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Cabayi-2018-11-30T13:01:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T10:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:01, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cabayi-2018-11-30T13:01:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T10:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cabayi-2018-11-30T13:01:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T10:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T15:11:00.000Z-Cabayi-2018-11-30T13:01:00.000Z"></span>Sure, that's why I'm asking, but how use the s-par template? There is no suitable parameter. <code>|uk</code> gives <b>Parliament of the United Kingdom</b>, not the House of Lords.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:HandsomeFella" title="User:HandsomeFella">HandsomeFella</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HandsomeFella" title="User talk:HandsomeFella">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T15:11:00.000Z-Cabayi-2018-11-30T13:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:11, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T15:11:00.000Z-Cabayi-2018-11-30T13:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T15:11:00.000Z-Cabayi-2018-11-30T13:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cabayi-2018-11-30T15:27:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T15:11:00.000Z"></span>The <a href="/wiki/House_of_Lords" title="House of Lords">House of Lords</a> is just as much part of <a href="/wiki/Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom" title="Parliament of the United Kingdom">parliament</a> as the <a href="/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_the_United_Kingdom" title="House of Commons of the United Kingdom">House of Commons</a> is. <a href="/wiki/User:Cabayi" title="User:Cabayi">Cabayi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cabayi" title="User talk:Cabayi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Cabayi-2018-11-30T15:27:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T15:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cabayi-2018-11-30T15:27:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T15:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cabayi-2018-11-30T15:27:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T15:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T15:35:00.000Z-Cabayi-2018-11-30T15:27:00.000Z"></span>I know, but that usually means you're a member of the House of Commons. Don't keep me in suspense forever. Also, there's no particular constituency involved. <a href="/wiki/User:HandsomeFella" title="User:HandsomeFella">HandsomeFella</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HandsomeFella" title="User talk:HandsomeFella">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T15:35:00.000Z-Cabayi-2018-11-30T15:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T15:35:00.000Z-Cabayi-2018-11-30T15:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T15:35:00.000Z-Cabayi-2018-11-30T15:27:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T15:35:00.000Z-Cabayi-2018-11-30T15:27:00.000Z-1"></span>Maybe someone else has some input.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:HandsomeFella" title="User:HandsomeFella">HandsomeFella</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HandsomeFella" title="User talk:HandsomeFella">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T15:35:00.000Z-Cabayi-2018-11-30T15:27:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 30 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T15:35:00.000Z-Cabayi-2018-11-30T15:27:00.000Z-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T15:35:00.000Z-Cabayi-2018-11-30T15:27:00.000Z-1"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Editor_FIN-2018-12-01T05:50:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T10:09:00.000Z"></span>I think that it would be inconsistent to emphasize membership of the House of Lords by adding it separately to succession box under s-par, because that wouldn't be suitable for most members of the House who are life peers. Discontinuing the use of a mention with the peerage in the succession box should be considered, though. I think that the best ways to point out that a peer is or was a member of the House of Lords is to mention it in the lead section of a biography article and possibly to add the membership to the infobox. --<a href="/wiki/User:Editor_FIN" title="User:Editor FIN">Editor FIN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Editor_FIN" title="User talk:Editor FIN">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Editor_FIN-2018-12-01T05:50:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T10:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:50, 1 December 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Editor_FIN-2018-12-01T05:50:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T10:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Editor_FIN-2018-12-01T05:50:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2018-11-30T10:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HandsomeFella-2018-12-01T07:42:00.000Z-Editor_FIN-2018-12-01T05:50:00.000Z"></span>Actually, I think it looked pretty ok before you reverted me. I suspect that the section in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SBSGUIDE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SBSGUIDE">WP:SBSGUIDE</a> you referred to (4.2.1.1) in your edit summary does not take into account the fact that peers are now elected.</dd> <dd>To address your concern, there's nothing that stops us from having the existing design for peers that (originally) inherited their seats in the House of Lords from their fathers. The result of your revert is now that the reader can get the erroneous impression that Lord Carrington's predecessor on his seat in the Lords was his father – especially since Carrington's accession to the barony and the seat occurred the same year.</dd> <dd>I think WP:SBSGUIDE might need to be amended.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:HandsomeFella" title="User:HandsomeFella">HandsomeFella</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HandsomeFella" title="User talk:HandsomeFella">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-HandsomeFella-2018-12-01T07:42:00.000Z-Editor_FIN-2018-12-01T05:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:42, 1 December 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HandsomeFella-2018-12-01T07:42:00.000Z-Editor_FIN-2018-12-01T05:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HandsomeFella-2018-12-01T07:42:00.000Z-Editor_FIN-2018-12-01T05:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Editor_FIN-2018-12-01T15:55:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2018-12-01T07:42:00.000Z"></span>I think that you have misunderstood my concern. Most members of the House of Lords join the House after being created life peers, not after by-election victory. Thus, it would be inconsistent to add membership of the House to succession box for minority and leave most members (e.g. life peers) without that. I think that better way to address the problem you have pointed out would be to just abolish the use of 'Lord parameter' with peerage in the succession box and remove those parameters from articles. It would be informative enough to mention the membership of the House of Lords in the biography text and in a possible infobox. --<a href="/wiki/User:Editor_FIN" title="User:Editor FIN">Editor FIN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Editor_FIN" title="User talk:Editor FIN">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Editor_FIN-2018-12-01T15:55:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2018-12-01T07:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 1 December 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Editor_FIN-2018-12-01T15:55:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2018-12-01T07:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Editor_FIN-2018-12-01T15:55:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2018-12-01T07:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HandsomeFella-2018-12-01T16:16:00.000Z-Editor_FIN-2018-12-01T15:55:00.000Z"></span>I see your point, and didn't realize that most join the Lords on being created life peers. But are succession boxes really relevant in those cases? They are not succeeding anyone, are they? If so, they couldn't be created peers until someone died.</dd> <dd>Anyway, I have started a centralized discussion on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization/Guidelines" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization/Guidelines">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization/Guidelines</a>. Please join the discussion there.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:HandsomeFella" title="User:HandsomeFella">HandsomeFella</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HandsomeFella" title="User talk:HandsomeFella">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-HandsomeFella-2018-12-01T16:16:00.000Z-Editor_FIN-2018-12-01T15:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 1 December 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HandsomeFella-2018-12-01T16:16:00.000Z-Editor_FIN-2018-12-01T15:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HandsomeFella-2018-12-01T16:16:00.000Z-Editor_FIN-2018-12-01T15:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="add_an_"as"_parameter?" data-mw-thread-id="h-add_an_"as"_parameter?-2019-06-25T21:36:00.000Z"><span id="add_an_.22as.22_parameter.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-add_an_"as"_parameter?-2019-06-25T21:36:00.000Z"></span>add an "as" parameter?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-add_an_"as"_parameter?-2019-06-25T21:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: add an "as" parameter?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pauli133-2019-06-25T21:36:00.000Z-add_an_"as"_parameter?"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>several of the related templates have an "as" parameter, but s-ttl does not. I've noticed that <i>quite</i> a few articles kludge around this with markup that generates lint errors. Would it be possible to add a field so that this can be handled by the template? For example, <a href="/wiki/Henry_III,_Count_of_Schauenburg-Holstein" title="Henry III, Count of Schauenburg-Holstein">Henry III, Count of Schauenburg-Holstein</a>: </p> <table class="wikitable succession-box noprint" style="margin:0.5em auto; font-size:small;clear:both;"> <tbody><tr> <td colspan="3" style="border-top: 5px solid #FFD700; text-align:center;"><div>Count Henry of Schauenburg</div><div><b><a href="/wiki/House_of_Schauenburg" class="mw-redirect" title="House of Schauenburg">House of Schauenburg</a></b></div><span style="white-space:nowrap; font-size:90%; margin:2em"> <b>Died:</b> February 1421</span> </td></tr> <tr> <th colspan="3" style="border-top: 5px solid #ACE777;">Regnal titles </th></tr> <tr> <th colspan="3" style="border-top: 5px solid #FABE60;"><a href="/wiki/Catholic_Church" title="Catholic Church">Catholic Church titles</a> </th></tr> <tr style="text-align:center;"> <td style="width:30%;" rowspan="1">Preceded by<div style="font-weight: bold"><a href="/wiki/Dietrich_of_Horne" title="Dietrich of Horne">Dietrich of Horne</a></div> </td> <td style="width: 40%; text-align: center;" rowspan="1"><b> <a href="/wiki/Prince-Bishopric_of_Osnabr%C3%BCck#List_of_Prince-Bishops" title="Prince-Bishopric of Osnabrück">Prince-Bishop of Osnabrück</a><br/></b><i><small>as Henry I</small></i><b> </b><br/>1402–1410 </td> <td style="width: 30%; text-align: center;" rowspan="1">Succeeded by<div style="font-weight: bold"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Otto_IV_of_Hoya&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Otto IV of Hoya (page does not exist)">Otto IV of Hoya</a></div> </td></tr> <tr> <th colspan="3" style="border-top: 5px solid #ACE777;">Regnal titles </th></tr> <tr style="text-align:center;"> <td style="width:30%;" rowspan="1">Preceded by<div style="font-weight: bold"><a href="/wiki/Gerhard_VI,_Count_of_Holstein" class="mw-redirect" title="Gerhard VI, Count of Holstein">Gerhard VI</a></div> </td> <td style="width: 40%; text-align: center;" rowspan="1"><b> <a href="/wiki/Counts_of_Schauenburg_and_Holstein#Holstein-Rendsburg_(1397–1459)" title="Counts of Schauenburg and Holstein">Count of Holstein-Rendsburg</a><br/></b><i><small>as Henry III</small></i><b> </b><br/>1404–1421 </td> <td style="width: 30%; text-align: center;" rowspan="1">Succeeded by<div style="font-weight: bold"><a href="/wiki/Henry_IV,_Count_of_Holstein-Rendsburg" title="Henry IV, Count of Holstein-Rendsburg">Henry IV</a></div> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pauli133&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pauli133 (page does not exist)">pauli133</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pauli133" title="User talk:Pauli133">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Pauli133-2019-06-25T21:36:00.000Z-add_an_"as"_parameter?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 25 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pauli133-2019-06-25T21:36:00.000Z-add_an_"as"_parameter?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pauli133-2019-06-25T21:36:00.000Z-add_an_"as"_parameter?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HandsomeFella-2021-11-09T17:59:00.000Z-Pauli133-2019-06-25T21:36:00.000Z"></span>I was just going to propose the same, and realized that this request has not been acted on, since it lacked the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_template-protected" title="Template:Edit template-protected">edit template-protected</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>.</dd> <dd>For an example on why/when it's needed, please see <a href="/wiki/Rupert_Ponsonby,_7th_Baron_de_Mauley" title="Rupert Ponsonby, 7th Baron de Mauley">Rupert Ponsonby, 7th Baron de Mauley</a>. In the order-of-precedence succession box, the <br /> produces two lines in the center box, which makes the predecessor box to the left awkward, since it has to accommodate accordingly.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:HandsomeFella" title="User:HandsomeFella">HandsomeFella</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HandsomeFella" title="User talk:HandsomeFella">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-HandsomeFella-2021-11-09T17:59:00.000Z-Pauli133-2019-06-25T21:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 9 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HandsomeFella-2021-11-09T17:59:00.000Z-Pauli133-2019-06-25T21:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HandsomeFella-2021-11-09T17:59:00.000Z-Pauli133-2019-06-25T21:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T18:38:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2021-11-09T17:59:00.000Z"></span>The Baron de Mauley article was just missing some closing italic markup; the br is not causing the space in S-bef to the left. I copied a simple version of that box to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Jonesey95/sandbox2&oldid=1054384273">my sandbox</a> to show that the problem appears to be with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:S-bef" title="Template:S-bef">S-bef</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. I will poke around in that template to see if I can fix the excessive white space. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T18:38:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2021-11-09T17:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 9 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T18:38:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2021-11-09T17:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T18:38:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2021-11-09T17:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T18:47:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T18:38:00.000Z"></span>Hah! It turns out that I caused this problem myself, with a Linter-related edit to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:S-bef" title="Template:S-bef">S-bef</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> less than a month ago. I have fixed it now. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T18:47:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T18:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 9 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T18:47:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T18:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T18:47:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T18:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HandsomeFella-2021-11-09T21:07:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T18:47:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a>:</span> but will you add the "as" parameter? So we will not have to create that type of construct that's in the Rupert Ponsonby, 7th Baron de Mauley article?</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:HandsomeFella" title="User:HandsomeFella">HandsomeFella</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HandsomeFella" title="User talk:HandsomeFella">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-HandsomeFella-2021-11-09T21:07:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T18:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 9 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HandsomeFella-2021-11-09T21:07:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T18:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HandsomeFella-2021-11-09T21:07:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T18:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T23:54:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2021-11-09T21:07:00.000Z"></span>I could, but where should it go? This S-ttl template takes a ton of parameters. I have synced the sandbox with the live template, and this is the code that should be added, I believe: <code>{{#if:{{{as|}}}|<small>'''''as {{{as}}}'''''</small>}}</code>. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T23:54:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2021-11-09T21:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:54, 9 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T23:54:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2021-11-09T21:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T23:54:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2021-11-09T21:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HandsomeFella-2021-11-12T19:55:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T23:54:00.000Z"></span>It should display in the corresponding place, and in the same format, as the "as" parameter for the s-bef and s-aft templates – just like in the examples above and in the Rupert Ponsonby article previously mentioned. <a href="/wiki/User:HandsomeFella" title="User:HandsomeFella">HandsomeFella</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HandsomeFella" title="User talk:HandsomeFella">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-HandsomeFella-2021-11-12T19:55:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T23:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 12 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HandsomeFella-2021-11-12T19:55:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T23:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HandsomeFella-2021-11-12T19:55:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2021-11-09T23:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-2021-11-12T23:37:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2021-11-12T19:55:00.000Z"></span>It appears that my question was unclear. <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:S-bef" title="Template:S-bef">S-bef</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> takes a series of "before" parameters, <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|before=</code> through <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|before10=</code>, after which <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|as=</code> is displayed. <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:S-ttl" title="Template:S-ttl">S-ttl</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, in contrast, takes many more parameters, which you can see in that template's documentation. Take a look at the section called "Output (as table cell)" in that template's documentation, and then suggest where an "as" parameter should display (for example, "after 'years'" or "before 'Served alongside:'"). Should it be on its own line? Bold? Italic? The same size as the parameter before it or after it? – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Jonesey95-2021-11-12T23:37:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2021-11-12T19:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:37, 12 November 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-2021-11-12T23:37:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2021-11-12T19:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-2021-11-12T23:37:00.000Z-HandsomeFella-2021-11-12T19:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_"under"_parameter" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_"under"_parameter-2021-09-17T07:16:00.000Z"><span id="Proposed_.22under.22_parameter"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_"under"_parameter-2021-09-17T07:16:00.000Z"></span>Proposed "under" parameter<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_"under"_parameter-2021-09-17T07:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Proposed "under" parameter"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2001:558:6017:107:78A6:8733:B442:2A44-2021-09-17T07:16:00.000Z-Proposed_"under"_parameter"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>I would like to propose an additional parameter "under", similar to the current "alongside" parameter. It would be used for offices that have a direct subordinate relationship, notably Lieutenant Governors serving under Governors or Vice Presidents serving under Presidents. Additional uses could include cabinet members under a President / Prime Minister, or a Prime Minister under a monarch. I think that it would be so generally useful that I'm quite surprised it hasn't been included already. </p><p>The proposed code is: <code>{{#if:{{{under|}}}|<br /><small>Served under: '''{{{under}}}'''</small>|}}</code> This is simply the existing "alongside" code with the word "under" substituted for "alongside". I believe this is a rather straightforward, simple request that would be generally useful ... even more so than the existing "alongside" parameter, as this is a much more common relationship between offices. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:558:6017:107:78A6:8733:B442:2A44" title="Special:Contributions/2001:558:6017:107:78A6:8733:B442:2A44">2001:558:6017:107:78A6:8733:B442:2A44</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2001:558:6017:107:78A6:8733:B442:2A44" title="User talk:2001:558:6017:107:78A6:8733:B442:2A44">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-2001:558:6017:107:78A6:8733:B442:2A44-2021-09-17T07:16:00.000Z-Proposed_"under"_parameter" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2001:558:6017:107:78A6:8733:B442:2A44-2021-09-17T07:16:00.000Z-Proposed_"under"_parameter"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2001:558:6017:107:78A6:8733:B442:2A44-2021-09-17T07:16:00.000Z-Proposed_"under"_parameter"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2021-09-27T03:16:00.000Z-2001:558:6017:107:78A6:8733:B442:2A44-2021-09-17T07:16:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>. <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I. Ellsworth</span></a></b></i> - <a href="/wiki/Editor" class="mw-redirect" title="Editor"><span style="color:black">ed.</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><sup>put'r there</sup></a> <small><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2021-09-27T03:16:00.000Z-2001:558:6017:107:78A6:8733:B442:2A44-2021-09-17T07:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:16, 27 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2021-09-27T03:16:00.000Z-2001:558:6017:107:78A6:8733:B442:2A44-2021-09-17T07:16:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2021-09-27T03:16:00.000Z-2001:558:6017:107:78A6:8733:B442:2A44-2021-09-17T07:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_"disputed"_parameter" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_"disputed"_parameter-2022-05-12T21:30:00.000Z"><span id="Proposed_.22disputed.22_parameter"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_"disputed"_parameter-2022-05-12T21:30:00.000Z"></span>Proposed "disputed" parameter<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_"disputed"_parameter-2022-05-12T21:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Proposed "disputed" parameter"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Charlie_Awesome-2022-05-12T21:30:00.000Z-Proposed_"disputed"_parameter"></span>I would like to suggest the addition of parameter which, if anything is entered, places a <i>(Disputed)</i> qualifier underneath the title. I've manually added such a tag this to <a href="/wiki/Francis_Wollaston_(philosopher)" title="Francis Wollaston (philosopher)">Francis Wollaston (philosopher)</a> as he tends to be listed by sources in the succession of Masters of Sidney Sussex College (e.g. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/cambs/vol3/pp481-487#h3-0011">[1]</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://catalogues.royalsociety.org/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Persons&id=NA7219">[2]</a>) but with the caveat that his election was later declared void. </p> <table class="wikitable succession-box noprint" style="margin:0.5em auto; font-size:small;clear:both;"> <tbody><tr> <th colspan="3" style="border-top: 5px solid #DAA520;">Academic offices </th></tr> <tr style="text-align:center;"> <td style="width:30%;" rowspan="1">Preceded by<div style="font-weight: bold"><a href="/wiki/William_Elliston_(academic)" title="William Elliston (academic)">William Elliston</a></div> </td> <td style="width: 40%; text-align: center;" rowspan="1"><b> <a href="/wiki/List_of_masters_of_Sidney_Sussex_College,_Cambridge" title="List of masters of Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge">Master of Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge</a><br/><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r886047488">.mw-parser-output .nobold{font-weight:normal}</style><span class="nobold"><i>(Disputed)</i></span> </b><br/>1807–1808 </td> <td style="width: 30%; text-align: center;" rowspan="1">Succeeded by<div style="font-weight: bold"><a href="/wiki/Edward_Pearson_(theologian)" title="Edward Pearson (theologian)">Edward Pearson</a></div> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <p>I suspect other editors might find the option useful in similar circumstances. <a href="/wiki/User:Charlie_Awesome" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Charlie Awesome">Charlie A.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Charlie_Awesome" title="User talk:Charlie Awesome">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Charlie_Awesome-2022-05-12T21:30:00.000Z-Proposed_"disputed"_parameter" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 12 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Charlie_Awesome-2022-05-12T21:30:00.000Z-Proposed_"disputed"_parameter"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Charlie_Awesome-2022-05-12T21:30:00.000Z-Proposed_"disputed"_parameter"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-2022-05-12T21:46:00.000Z-Charlie_Awesome-2022-05-12T21:30:00.000Z"></span>See my questions above re: where should it go? Be specific, or code it in the sandbox. It would probably be more useful to have a generic parameter indicating an optional note, like "disputed" or "interim" or other similar values. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Jonesey95-2022-05-12T21:46:00.000Z-Charlie_Awesome-2022-05-12T21:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:46, 12 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-2022-05-12T21:46:00.000Z-Charlie_Awesome-2022-05-12T21:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-2022-05-12T21:46:00.000Z-Charlie_Awesome-2022-05-12T21:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Charlie_Awesome-2022-05-16T09:14:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2022-05-12T21:46:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> thanks for responding. I would suggest this would go below creation and above years (in my head this would make the <i>disputed</i> qualify everything above (specifying the specific office), while everything below remains factual – e.g. the years <i>per se</i> aren't in dispute). So it would be:</dd> <dd><pre>...''{{{creation}}}''|}}{{#if:{{{disputed|}}}|<br />''(Disputed)''|}}{{#if:{{{years|}}}....</pre></dd> <dd>Or, you wanted to do your suggestion of a more flexible option:</dd> <dd><pre>...''{{{creation}}}''|}}{{#if:{{{qualifier|}}}|<br />''({{{qualifier}}})''|}}{{#if:{{{years|}}}....</pre> <a href="/wiki/User:Charlie_Awesome" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Charlie Awesome">Charlie A.</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Charlie_Awesome" title="User talk:Charlie Awesome">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Charlie_Awesome-2022-05-16T09:14:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2022-05-12T21:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Charlie_Awesome-2022-05-16T09:14:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2022-05-12T21:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Charlie_Awesome-2022-05-16T09:14:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2022-05-12T21:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fixed_too-small_font_per_MOS:FONTSIZE" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fixed_too-small_font_per_MOS:FONTSIZE-20240727205500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fixed_too-small_font_per_MOS:FONTSIZE-20240727205500"></span>Fixed too-small font per <a href="/wiki/MOS:FONTSIZE" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:FONTSIZE">MOS:FONTSIZE</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fixed_too-small_font_per_MOS:FONTSIZE-20240727205500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Fixed too-small font per MOS:FONTSIZE"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-20240727205500-Fixed_too-small_font_per_MOS:FONTSIZE"></span>I have fixed a problem with this template, helping it comply with <a href="/wiki/MOS:FONTSIZE" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:FONTSIZE">MOS:FONTSIZE</a>, an accessibility guideline. Because this template is typically nested inside another template that sets the font size to a small value, we can't further shrink the font size here. I have fixed this template so that, unless editors manually insert <code class="nowrap" style=""><small>...</small></code> tags or <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Small" title="Template:Small">small</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> in the parameter values of this template in an article, the text displayed by this template will comply with our accessibility guidelines. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:S-ttl#c-Jonesey95-20240727205500-Fixed_too-small_font_per_MOS:FONTSIZE" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-20240727205500-Fixed_too-small_font_per_MOS:FONTSIZE"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-20240727205500-Fixed_too-small_font_per_MOS:FONTSIZE"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&oldid=1241788231">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:S-ttl&oldid=1241788231</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden category: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_using_S-rel_template_with_ca_parameter" title="Category:Pages using S-rel template with ca parameter">Pages using S-rel template with ca parameter</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 23 August 2024, at 04:01<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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