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class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Leeds (disambiguation)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Leeds_(disambiguation)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-I_want_to_create_an_article,_but_it's_already_featured_in_a_list._Should_I_do_so?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#I_want_to_create_an_article,_but_it's_already_featured_in_a_list._Should_I_do_so?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>I want to create an article, but it's already featured in a list. Should I do so?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-I_want_to_create_an_article,_but_it's_already_featured_in_a_list._Should_I_do_so?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Good_article_reassessment" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Good_article_reassessment"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Good article reassessment</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Good_article_reassessment-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Good_Article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Good_Article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Good Article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Good_Article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-HTML" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#HTML"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>HTML</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-HTML-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-a_weird_question_to_ask" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#a_weird_question_to_ask"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>a weird question to ask</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-a_weird_question_to_ask-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reliable_Sources?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reliable_Sources?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Reliable Sources?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Reliable_Sources?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Is_removing_one_of_those_WikiProject_tags_from_the_draft_possible?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Is_removing_one_of_those_WikiProject_tags_from_the_draft_possible?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Is removing one of those WikiProject tags from the draft possible?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Is_removing_one_of_those_WikiProject_tags_from_the_draft_possible?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Cypher_System_article?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Cypher_System_article?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Cypher System article?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Cypher_System_article?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-How_to_edit_page_and_add_citations?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#How_to_edit_page_and_add_citations?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>How to edit page and add citations?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">8 comments</span> <ul id="toc-How_to_edit_page_and_add_citations?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Submit_a_new_article_draft" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Submit_a_new_article_draft"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Submit a new article draft</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Submit_a_new_article_draft-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Redirects_and_Sources" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Redirects_and_Sources"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Redirects and Sources</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Redirects_and_Sources-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Avoiding_an_edit_war" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Avoiding_an_edit_war"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>Avoiding an edit war</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Avoiding_an_edit_war-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Belarusian_userboxes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Belarusian_userboxes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>Belarusian userboxes</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Belarusian_userboxes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Pending_changes,_redirects_to_Special:Badtitle/Message?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Pending_changes,_redirects_to_Special:Badtitle/Message?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Pending changes, redirects to Special:Badtitle/Message?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Pending_changes,_redirects_to_Special:Badtitle/Message?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Google,_AI,_&_Wikipedia;_when_2+2=5" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Google,_AI,_&_Wikipedia;_when_2+2=5"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>Google, AI, & Wikipedia; when 2+2=5</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Google,_AI,_&_Wikipedia;_when_2+2=5-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-unknown_parameter_"ethnicity"" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#unknown_parameter_"ethnicity""> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>unknown parameter "ethnicity"</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-unknown_parameter_"ethnicity"-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-How_to_properly_edit?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#How_to_properly_edit?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>How to properly edit?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-How_to_properly_edit?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Page_Name_topic_/_username" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Page_Name_topic_/_username"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Page Name topic / username</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Page_Name_topic_/_username-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-About_an_Edit_by_the_User" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#About_an_Edit_by_the_User"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>About an Edit by the User</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-About_an_Edit_by_the_User-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Number_sorting_template_help" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Number_sorting_template_help"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Number sorting template help</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Number_sorting_template_help-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Do_I_misuse_edit_summaries?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Do_I_misuse_edit_summaries?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Do I misuse edit summaries?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Do_I_misuse_edit_summaries?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Getting_help_writing_a_new_BLP" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Getting_help_writing_a_new_BLP"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>Getting help writing a new BLP</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Getting_help_writing_a_new_BLP-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Looking_for_an_Editor,_a_Biography" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Looking_for_an_Editor,_a_Biography"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>Looking for an Editor, a Biography</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Looking_for_an_Editor,_a_Biography-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Is_USGenWeb_a_reliable_source?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Is_USGenWeb_a_reliable_source?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Is USGenWeb a reliable source?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Is_USGenWeb_a_reliable_source?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Request_for_feedback_on_COI_draft:_The_Frost_(2024_film)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Request_for_feedback_on_COI_draft:_The_Frost_(2024_film)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Request for feedback on COI draft: The Frost (2024 film)</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Request_for_feedback_on_COI_draft:_The_Frost_(2024_film)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question_about_two_Wikipedia_pages_for_a_single_newspaper_title,_please" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_about_two_Wikipedia_pages_for_a_single_newspaper_title,_please"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Question about two Wikipedia pages for a single newspaper title, please</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question_about_two_Wikipedia_pages_for_a_single_newspaper_title,_please-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Question_about_WP:TPO" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Question_about_WP:TPO"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Question about WP:TPO</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Question_about_WP:TPO-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Regarding_A_Page_on_Wikipedia" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Regarding_A_Page_on_Wikipedia"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Regarding A Page on Wikipedia</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Regarding_A_Page_on_Wikipedia-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Do_all_roads_still_lead_to_Rome?" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Do_all_roads_still_lead_to_Rome?"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Do all roads still lead to Rome?</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Do_all_roads_still_lead_to_Rome?-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Infobox_fix_Proposal" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Infobox_fix_Proposal"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>Infobox fix Proposal</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Infobox_fix_Proposal-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-species_pages" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#species_pages"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>species pages</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-species_pages-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-editing" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#editing"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>editing</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-editing-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-user_not_responding_to_talk_page." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#user_not_responding_to_talk_page."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>user not responding to talk page.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-user_not_responding_to_talk_page.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-User_Page" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#User_Page"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>User Page</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-User_Page-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Something_I_think_deserves_a_page._._." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Something_I_think_deserves_a_page._._."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>Something I think deserves a page. . .</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Something_I_think_deserves_a_page._._.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-MA_dissertation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#MA_dissertation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>MA dissertation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-MA_dissertation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Draft:John_James_(businessman_and_philanthropist)_Draft_Talk" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Draft:John_James_(businessman_and_philanthropist)_Draft_Talk"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>Draft:John James (businessman and philanthropist) Draft Talk</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Draft:John_James_(businessman_and_philanthropist)_Draft_Talk-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Not_sure_how_to_fix_this" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Not_sure_how_to_fix_this"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>Not sure how to fix this</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Not_sure_how_to_fix_this-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Raghunandan_Dhubi" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Raghunandan_Dhubi"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>Raghunandan Dhubi</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Raghunandan_Dhubi-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-my_wikipedia_artical" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#my_wikipedia_artical"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>my wikipedia artical</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-my_wikipedia_artical-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Page_of_painter_Stano_Bubán" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Page_of_painter_Stano_Bubán"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>Page of painter Stano Bubán</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Page_of_painter_Stano_Bubán-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Re-submitting_an_Article" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Re-submitting_an_Article"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>Re-submitting an Article</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">7 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Re-submitting_an_Article-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Content_deliverer/s" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Content_deliverer/s"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>Content deliverer/s</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Content_deliverer/s-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reverting_a_long-time_user's_revision" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reverting_a_long-time_user's_revision"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>Reverting a long-time user's revision</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Reverting_a_long-time_user's_revision-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Help_regarding_info_boxes" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Help_regarding_info_boxes"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>Help regarding info boxes</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Help_regarding_info_boxes-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Reliable_references" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Reliable_references"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>Reliable references</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Reliable_references-sublist" 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class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>العربية</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-as mw-list-item"><a href="https://as.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A7%B1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%82%E0%A6%98%E0%A7%B0" title="ৱিকিপিডিয়া:চাংঘৰ – Assamese" lang="as" hreflang="as" data-title="ৱিকিপিডিয়া:চাংঘৰ" data-language-autonym="অসমীয়া" data-language-local-name="Assamese" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>অসমীয়া</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-bn mw-list-item"><a href="https://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%87%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BE:%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%98%E0%A6%B0" title="উইকিপিডিয়া:চাঘর – Bangla" lang="bn" hreflang="bn" data-title="উইকিপিডিয়া:চাঘর" data-language-autonym="বাংলা" data-language-local-name="Bangla" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>বাংলা</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-cs mw-list-item"><a href="https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:%C4%8Cajovna" title="Wikipedie:Čajovna – Czech" lang="cs" hreflang="cs" data-title="Wikipedie:Čajovna" data-language-autonym="Čeština" data-language-local-name="Czech" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Čeština</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-da mw-list-item"><a href="https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hj%C3%A6lp:Nybegynderforum" title="Hjælp:Nybegynderforum – Danish" lang="da" hreflang="da" data-title="Hjælp:Nybegynderforum" data-language-autonym="Dansk" data-language-local-name="Danish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Dansk</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-de mw-list-item"><a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fragen_von_Neulingen" title="Wikipedia:Fragen von Neulingen – German" lang="de" hreflang="de" data-title="Wikipedia:Fragen von Neulingen" data-language-autonym="Deutsch" data-language-local-name="German" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Deutsch</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-fr mw-list-item"><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Forum_des_nouveaux" title="Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux – French" lang="fr" hreflang="fr" data-title="Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux" data-language-autonym="Français" data-language-local-name="French" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Français</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hi badge-Q70893996 mw-list-item" title=""><a href="https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A5%E0%A4%B2" title="विकिपीडिया:चर्चा स्थल – Hindi" lang="hi" hreflang="hi" data-title="विकिपीडिया:चर्चा स्थल" data-language-autonym="हिन्दी" data-language-local-name="Hindi" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>हिन्दी</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-id mw-list-item"><a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Warung_Kopi_(Bantuan)" title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bantuan) – Indonesian" lang="id" hreflang="id" data-title="Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Bantuan)" data-language-autonym="Bahasa Indonesia" data-language-local-name="Indonesian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Bahasa Indonesia</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ks mw-list-item"><a href="https://ks.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%90%DA%A9%DB%8C%D9%96%D9%BE%DB%8C%D9%96%DA%88%DB%8C%D8%A7:%DA%86%D8%A7%DB%92_%D8%AC%D8%A7%DB%92" title="وِکیٖپیٖڈیا:چاے جاے – Kashmiri" lang="ks" hreflang="ks" data-title="وِکیٖپیٖڈیا:چاے جاے" data-language-autonym="कॉशुर / کٲشُر" data-language-local-name="Kashmiri" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>कॉशुर / کٲشُر</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-hu mw-list-item"><a href="https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_(kezd%C5%91knek)" title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (kezdőknek) – Hungarian" lang="hu" hreflang="hu" data-title="Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (kezdőknek)" data-language-autonym="Magyar" data-language-local-name="Hungarian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Magyar</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ne mw-list-item"><a href="https://ne.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE_%E0%A4%98%E0%A4%B0" title="विकिपिडिया:चिया घर – Nepali" lang="ne" hreflang="ne" data-title="विकिपिडिया:चिया घर" data-language-autonym="नेपाली" data-language-local-name="Nepali" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>नेपाली</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-new mw-list-item"><a href="https://new.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B8:_%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%A8_%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%81%3F" title="विकिपिडिया:न्ह्यस: गन न्यनेगु? – Newari" lang="new" hreflang="new" data-title="विकिपिडिया:न्ह्यस: गन न्यनेगु?" data-language-autonym="नेपाल भाषा" data-language-local-name="Newari" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>नेपाल भाषा</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-no mw-list-item"><a href="https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Nybegynnerforum" title="Wikipedia:Nybegynnerforum – Norwegian Bokmål" lang="nb" hreflang="nb" data-title="Wikipedia:Nybegynnerforum" data-language-autonym="Norsk bokmål" data-language-local-name="Norwegian Bokmål" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Norsk bokmål</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-or mw-list-item"><a href="https://or.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AC%89%E0%AC%87%E0%AC%95%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%AA%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%A1%E0%AC%BC%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%86:%E0%AC%AA%E0%AD%8D%E0%AC%B0%E0%AC%B6%E0%AD%8D%E0%AC%A8_%E0%AC%AA%E0%AC%9A%E0%AC%BE%E0%AC%B0%E0%AC%A8%E0%AD%8D%E0%AC%A4%E0%AD%81" title="ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ:ପ୍ରଶ୍ନ ପଚାରନ୍ତୁ – Odia" lang="or" hreflang="or" data-title="ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ:ପ୍ରଶ୍ନ ପଚାରନ୍ତୁ" data-language-autonym="ଓଡ଼ିଆ" data-language-local-name="Odia" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>ଓଡ଼ିଆ</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-uz mw-list-item"><a href="https://uz.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipediya:Choyxona" title="Vikipediya:Choyxona – Uzbek" lang="uz" hreflang="uz" data-title="Vikipediya:Choyxona" data-language-autonym="Oʻzbekcha / ўзбекча" data-language-local-name="Uzbek" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Oʻzbekcha / ўзбекча</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ps mw-list-item"><a href="https://ps.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%DA%A9%D9%8A%D9%BE%DB%90%DA%89%D9%8A%D8%A7:%DA%86%D8%A7%DB%8C_%DA%81%DB%8C" title="ويکيپېډيا:چای ځی – Pashto" lang="ps" hreflang="ps" data-title="ويکيپېډيا:چای ځی" data-language-autonym="پښتو" data-language-local-name="Pashto" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>پښتو</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pl mw-list-item"><a href="https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pytania_nowicjuszy" title="Wikipedia:Pytania nowicjuszy – Polish" lang="pl" hreflang="pl" data-title="Wikipedia:Pytania nowicjuszy" data-language-autonym="Polski" data-language-local-name="Polish" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Polski</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-pt badge-Q70893996 mw-list-item" title=""><a href="https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Caf%C3%A9_dos_novatos" title="Wikipédia:Café dos novatos – Portuguese" lang="pt" hreflang="pt" data-title="Wikipédia:Café dos novatos" data-language-autonym="Português" data-language-local-name="Portuguese" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Português</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-ru mw-list-item"><a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%89%D1%8C_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8E%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%BC" title="Википедия:Форум/Помощь начинающим – Russian" lang="ru" hreflang="ru" data-title="Википедия:Форум/Помощь начинающим" data-language-autonym="Русский" data-language-local-name="Russian" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Русский</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sa mw-list-item"><a href="https://sa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE" title="विकिपीडिया:सभा – Sanskrit" lang="sa" hreflang="sa" data-title="विकिपीडिया:सभा" data-language-autonym="संस्कृतम्" data-language-local-name="Sanskrit" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>संस्कृतम्</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-skr mw-list-item"><a href="https://skr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DA%A9%DB%8C%D9%BE%DB%8C%DA%88%DB%8C%D8%A7:%DA%86%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%92_%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%81" title="وکیپیڈیا:چائے خانہ – Saraiki" lang="skr" hreflang="skr" data-title="وکیپیڈیا:چائے خانہ" data-language-autonym="سرائیکی" data-language-local-name="Saraiki" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>سرائیکی</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-tn mw-list-item"><a href="https://tn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ntlo_ya_tee" title="Wikipedia:Ntlo ya tee – Tswana" lang="tn" hreflang="tn" data-title="Wikipedia:Ntlo ya tee" data-language-autonym="Setswana" data-language-local-name="Tswana" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Setswana</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-si mw-list-item"><a href="https://si.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B7%80%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%9A%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%B4%E0%B7%93%E0%B6%A9%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%BA%E0%B7%8F:%E0%B6%AD%E0%B7%9A_%E0%B6%B8%E0%B7%9A%E0%B7%83%E0%B6%BA" title="විකිපීඩියා:තේ මේසය – Sinhala" lang="si" hreflang="si" data-title="විකිපීඩියා:තේ මේසය" data-language-autonym="සිංහල" data-language-local-name="Sinhala" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>සිංහල</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-simple badge-Q70893996 mw-list-item" title=""><a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse" title="Wikipedia:Teahouse – Simple English" lang="en-simple" hreflang="en-simple" data-title="Wikipedia:Teahouse" data-language-autonym="Simple English" data-language-local-name="Simple English" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>Simple English</span></a></li><li class="interlanguage-link interwiki-sd mw-list-item"><a href="https://sd.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DA%AA%D9%8A%D9%BE%D9%8A%DA%8A%D9%8A%D8%A7:%DA%86%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%87%D9%86_%DA%AF%D9%87%D8%B1" title="وڪيپيڊيا:چانهن گهر – Sindhi" lang="sd" hreflang="sd" data-title="وڪيپيڊيا:چانهن گهر" data-language-autonym="سنڌي" data-language-local-name="Sindhi" class="interlanguage-link-target"><span>سنڌي</span></a></li><li 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241114152600-Adopt_a_User"></span>What is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user" title="Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user">Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user</a> <a href="/wiki/User:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User:TheSmartWikiOne">TheSmartWikiOne</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User talk:TheSmartWikiOne">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241114152600-Adopt_a_User" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241114152600-Adopt_a_User"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheSmartWikiOne-20241114152600-Adopt_a_User"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241114185200-TheSmartWikiOne-20241114152600"></span>There is a helpful page that will explain it to you. It's at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user" title="Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user">Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user</a>. Do feel free to ask here again,once you have read it, if you have a <i>more specific</i> question that is not answered there. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241114185200-TheSmartWikiOne-20241114152600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241114185200-TheSmartWikiOne-20241114152600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241114185200-TheSmartWikiOne-20241114152600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241116171100-Pigsonthewing-20241114185200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TheSmartWikiOne" title="User:TheSmartWikiOne">TheSmartWikiOne</a> Adopt-a-user has been largely superseded by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GTF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GTF">a mentorship scheme</a> which is now offered to all new accounts. The linked page gives details. You are a new user, so should already have this: a tab called the "Homepage" visible when you look at your own UserPage. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241116171100-Pigsonthewing-20241114185200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241116171100-Pigsonthewing-20241114185200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241116171100-Pigsonthewing-20241114185200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samppy-20241122030600-Pigsonthewing-20241114185200"></span>0k <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Samppy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Samppy (page does not exist)">Samppy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samppy" title="User talk:Samppy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Samppy-20241122030600-Pigsonthewing-20241114185200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samppy-20241122030600-Pigsonthewing-20241114185200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samppy-20241122030600-Pigsonthewing-20241114185200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Templates" data-mw-thread-id="h-Templates-20241115070200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Templates-20241115070200"></span>Templates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Templates-20241115070200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Templates"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-K.O.518-20241115070200-Templates"></span>I can’t find the template saying the article is too long. Could someone tell me please? The article in question is <a href="/wiki/Wind_power_in_Australia" title="Wind power in Australia">Wind power in Australia</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:K.O.518" title="User:K.O.518">K.O.518</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:K.O.518" title="User talk:K.O.518">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-K.O.518-20241115070200-Templates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-K.O.518-20241115070200-Templates"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-K.O.518-20241115070200-Templates"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CanonNi-20241115084600-K.O.518-20241115070200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:K.O.518" title="User:K.O.518">K.O.518</a> is <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Very_long" title="Template:Very long">very long</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> what you're looking for? <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>'''[[<a href="/wiki/User:CanonNi" title="User:CanonNi">User:CanonNi</a>]]'''</b></span> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CanonNi" title="User talk:CanonNi">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/CanonNi" title="Special:Contributions/CanonNi">contribs</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CanonNi-20241115084600-K.O.518-20241115070200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CanonNi-20241115084600-K.O.518-20241115070200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CanonNi-20241115084600-K.O.518-20241115070200"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241115085000-K.O.518-20241115070200"></span>CanonNi beat me to it. The template can be reached from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_index" title="Wikipedia:Template index">Wikipedia:Template index</a> (bookmark it!) (via <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_index/Cleanup" title="Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup">Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup</a>). -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241115085000-K.O.518-20241115070200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241115085000-K.O.518-20241115070200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241115085000-K.O.518-20241115070200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-K.O.518-20241115195900-Hoary-20241115085000"></span>Yes, thank you 👍 <a href="/wiki/User:K.O.518" title="User:K.O.518">K.O.518</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:K.O.518" title="User talk:K.O.518">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-K.O.518-20241115195900-Hoary-20241115085000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:59, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-K.O.518-20241115195900-Hoary-20241115085000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-K.O.518-20241115195900-Hoary-20241115085000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VeritasVanguard-20241121144700-K.O.518-20241115195900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:K.O.518" title="User:K.O.518">K.O.518</a> You can also use <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Twinkle" title="Wikipedia:Twinkle">Wikipedia:Twinkle</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:VeritasVanguard" title="User:VeritasVanguard">VeritasVanguard</a> <i>"Seeking truth in every edit"</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-VeritasVanguard-20241121144700-K.O.518-20241115195900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VeritasVanguard-20241121144700-K.O.518-20241115195900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VeritasVanguard-20241121144700-K.O.518-20241115195900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Around_the_world_and_across_the_globe" data-mw-thread-id="h-Around_the_world_and_across_the_globe-20241116230000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Around_the_world_and_across_the_globe-20241116230000"></span>Around the world and across the globe<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Around_the_world_and_across_the_globe-20241116230000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Around the world and across the globe"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Northernhenge-20241116230000-Around_the_world_and_across_the_globe"></span>I was about to edit <a href="/wiki/The_Peasant%27s_Wise_Daughter" title="The Peasant's Wise Daughter">The Peasant's Wise Daughter</a> where it says <i>”Scholars Johannes Bolte and Jiří Polívka listed several variants from across the globe in their seminal work on the Brothers Grimm fairy tale collection”</i> to say <i>”...around the world...”</i> but my only reason was that it sounded more natural to me. That’s not a good reason. </p><p><a href="/wiki/2024_Formula_One_World_Championship" title="2024 Formula One World Championship">2024 Formula One World Championship</a> says: <i>”The championship is contested over a record twenty-four Grands Prix held around the world”</i> but I suspect <i>“across the globe”</i> is more common unless describing an actual circumnavigation. I think my questions are: </p> <ul><li>Is there any guidance anywhere on this?</li> <li>Is there an appropriate place to discuss this? (It may possibly be a UK/US difference but I don’t know.)</li></ul> <p>Thanks --<a href="/wiki/User:Northernhenge" title="User:Northernhenge">Northernhenge</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Northernhenge" title="User talk:Northernhenge">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Northernhenge-20241116230000-Around_the_world_and_across_the_globe" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Northernhenge-20241116230000-Around_the_world_and_across_the_globe"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Northernhenge-20241116230000-Around_the_world_and_across_the_globe"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maproom-20241116231200-Northernhenge-20241116230000"></span>To the undersigned Brit, "around the world" sounds normal and "across the globe" sounds absurd. How can you cross something that's spherical? <a href="/wiki/User:Maproom" title="User:Maproom">Maproom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maproom" title="User talk:Maproom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Maproom-20241116231200-Northernhenge-20241116230000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:12, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maproom-20241116231200-Northernhenge-20241116230000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maproom-20241116231200-Northernhenge-20241116230000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Northernhenge-20241116233200-Maproom-20241116231200"></span>Searching wikipedia for “across the globe” brings up a great many hits where it seems to mean “everywhere”. I agree that it’s not common in UK spoken English. “Around the world” is also widely used on wp, but maybe more often as the name of something or, as I mentioned above, as a literal circumnavigation. I doubt if this is the correct place to debate the point but it’s probably worth discussing somewhere. --<a href="/wiki/User:Northernhenge" title="User:Northernhenge">Northernhenge</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Northernhenge" title="User talk:Northernhenge">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Northernhenge-20241116233200-Maproom-20241116231200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Northernhenge-20241116233200-Maproom-20241116231200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Northernhenge-20241116233200-Maproom-20241116231200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asilvering-20241117045000-Northernhenge-20241116233200"></span>You're overthinking it. Just make the edit you want to make, and worry about it if someone objects. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Asilvering" title="User:Asilvering">asilvering</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asilvering" title="User talk:Asilvering">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Asilvering-20241117045000-Northernhenge-20241116233200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asilvering-20241117045000-Northernhenge-20241116233200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asilvering-20241117045000-Northernhenge-20241116233200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Northernhenge-20241117161400-Asilvering-20241117045000"></span>True --<a href="/wiki/User:Northernhenge" title="User:Northernhenge">Northernhenge</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Northernhenge" title="User talk:Northernhenge">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Northernhenge-20241117161400-Asilvering-20241117045000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Northernhenge-20241117161400-Asilvering-20241117045000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Northernhenge-20241117161400-Asilvering-20241117045000"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WendlingCrusader-20241121145000-Northernhenge-20241116233200"></span>This is English Wikipedia, so mentioning that the French equivalent of 'everyone' is 'tout le monde', and that one of their key newspapers is called <a href="/wiki/Le_Monde" title="Le Monde">Le Monde</a> is probably superfluous, other than to note that different cultures reference world, globe, continents, in different ways.</dd> <dd>I note that 'across the globe' was almost unheard of in 1940, and only really took off circa 1990. Clearly a recent thing.</dd> <dd>Whereas 'around the world' was already more popular back in 1840 (Jules Verne's book was published in 1872), but really took off circa 1950, possibly related to intercontinental air-travel. By 1990 it was some 40 times more prevalent than 'across the globe', and in 2020 it was still outscoring it by a factor of six. If it hasn't happened already, I suspect the next benchmark will discard both ideas in favour of 'all across the internet'.</dd> <dd>Of course, like everyone here, I have got my own preference, but I am just one person, so that is largely irrelevant.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:WendlingCrusader" title="User:WendlingCrusader">WendlingCrusader</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WendlingCrusader" title="User talk:WendlingCrusader">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-WendlingCrusader-20241121145000-Northernhenge-20241116233200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WendlingCrusader-20241121145000-Northernhenge-20241116233200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WendlingCrusader-20241121145000-Northernhenge-20241116233200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_on_why_this_happened" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_on_why_this_happened-20241120062700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_on_why_this_happened-20241120062700"></span>Question on why <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1258410153" title="Special:Diff/1258410153">this</a> happened<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_on_why_this_happened-20241120062700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Question on why this happened"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PEPSI697-20241120062700-Question_on_why_this_happened"></span>I don't really feel comfortable to go on the users talk page to discuss why but I just want to let anybody here at the Teahouse know that <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1258410153" title="Special:Diff/1258410153">this</a> happened when Ahecht restored all the old requests (including mine), I'm currently having a second attempt on requesting for the pending changes reviewers rights. Now I don't really care if it is declined but restoring an old request from September 2024 seems weird to me. Does anybody know why this happened by any chance? <b><a href="/wiki/User:PEPSI697" title="User:PEPSI697"><span style="color:#00BFFF">PEPSI</span><span style="color:#0000FF">697</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PEPSI697" title="User talk:PEPSI697">💬</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PEPSI697" title="Special:Contributions/PEPSI697">📝</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PEPSI697-20241120062700-Question_on_why_this_happened" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:27, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PEPSI697-20241120062700-Question_on_why_this_happened"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PEPSI697-20241120062700-Question_on_why_this_happened"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241120075100-PEPSI697-20241120062700"></span>Hello, <a href="/wiki/User:PEPSI697" title="User:PEPSI697">PEPSI697</a>. If you are applying for advanced permissions, then you should know that the very first person you should discuss this issue with is <a href="/wiki/User:Ahecht" title="User:Ahecht">Ahecht</a>. Saying that you <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">don't really feel comfortable to go on the users talk page to discuss</q> is not an appropriate thing to say at all. This is a collaborative project, and the first thing to do when there is a disagreement among two editors, is <i>always</i> for those two editors to discuss the issue among themselves. If the two editors are unable to resolve their disagreement, then there are several other forms of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DR">Dispute resolution</a> available to the two of you. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241120075100-PEPSI697-20241120062700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241120075100-PEPSI697-20241120062700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241120075100-PEPSI697-20241120062700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PEPSI697-20241120204600-Cullen328-20241120075100"></span>Sorry about that, I'm currently severely ill IRL and didn't mean to say something inappropriate, that is why I wasn't active that much yesterday because I was resting up to feel better. I'm sorry if I said that, I didn't intend to say something inappropriate. Thanks. <b><a href="/wiki/User:PEPSI697" title="User:PEPSI697"><span style="color:#00BFFF">PEPSI</span><span style="color:#0000FF">697</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PEPSI697" title="User talk:PEPSI697">💬</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PEPSI697" title="Special:Contributions/PEPSI697">📝</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PEPSI697-20241120204600-Cullen328-20241120075100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PEPSI697-20241120204600-Cullen328-20241120075100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PEPSI697-20241120204600-Cullen328-20241120075100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeraxmoira-20241120100500-PEPSI697-20241120062700"></span>I don’t know why they did it, but I believe Ahecht tried to restore a previous version(1 October 2024 - which you have also linked on your PCR request) of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Pending_changes_reviewer" title="Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Pending changes reviewer">perms</a> page. This removed your and NXcrypto’s requests for PCR and replaced them with the version from 1 October 2024. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahecht" title="User:Ahecht">Ahecht</a> is a new admin, so I guess it might have been an unintentional mistake caused by their rights management tool. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeraxmoira" title="User:Jeraxmoira">Jeraxmoira🐉</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeraxmoira" title="User talk:Jeraxmoira">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jeraxmoira-20241120100500-PEPSI697-20241120062700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeraxmoira-20241120100500-PEPSI697-20241120062700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeraxmoira-20241120100500-PEPSI697-20241120062700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahecht-20241120140600-Jeraxmoira-20241120100500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jeraxmoira" title="User:Jeraxmoira">Jeraxmoira</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:PEPSI697" title="User:PEPSI697">PEPSI697</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:HJ_Mitchell" title="User:HJ Mitchell">HJ Mitchell</a>: Sorry, I have no idea what happened there. I must've somehow ended up editing at an old revision of the page and not realized it, but again, no idea how that happened nor how I would've missed the warning message. <span class="nowrap">--<a href="/wiki/User:Ahecht" title="User:Ahecht">Ahecht</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahecht" title="User talk:Ahecht"><b style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:middle;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br/>PAGE</b></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahecht-20241120140600-Jeraxmoira-20241120100500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahecht-20241120140600-Jeraxmoira-20241120100500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahecht-20241120140600-Jeraxmoira-20241120100500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PEPSI697-20241120204800-Ahecht-20241120140600"></span>That's ok. I accept your mistake. <b><a href="/wiki/User:PEPSI697" title="User:PEPSI697"><span style="color:#00BFFF">PEPSI</span><span style="color:#0000FF">697</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PEPSI697" title="User talk:PEPSI697">💬</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PEPSI697" title="Special:Contributions/PEPSI697">📝</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PEPSI697-20241120204800-Ahecht-20241120140600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PEPSI697-20241120204800-Ahecht-20241120140600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PEPSI697-20241120204800-Ahecht-20241120140600"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PEPSI697-20241120204700-Jeraxmoira-20241120100500"></span>Yeah, I went and had a look at Ahecht's talk page and knew they were a new admin. Just wanted to make sure if this was intentional or not. <b><a href="/wiki/User:PEPSI697" title="User:PEPSI697"><span style="color:#00BFFF">PEPSI</span><span style="color:#0000FF">697</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PEPSI697" title="User talk:PEPSI697">💬</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PEPSI697" title="Special:Contributions/PEPSI697">📝</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PEPSI697-20241120204700-Jeraxmoira-20241120100500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PEPSI697-20241120204700-Jeraxmoira-20241120100500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PEPSI697-20241120204700-Jeraxmoira-20241120100500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Regarding_An_Article_About_Village(s)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Regarding_An_Article_About_Village(s)-20241120140200"><span id="Regarding_An_Article_About_Village.28s.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Regarding_An_Article_About_Village(s)-20241120140200"></span>Regarding An Article About Village(s)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Regarding_An_Article_About_Village(s)-20241120140200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Regarding An Article About Village(s)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VeritasVanguard-20241120140200-Regarding_An_Article_About_Village(s)"></span>I noticed that several articles for villages/settlements are missing in <a href="/wiki/Category:Villages_in_Jalandhar_district" title="Category:Villages in Jalandhar district">Category:Villages in Jalandhar district</a> & in several other of Punjab. Are those 'villages' presumed notable? Or Do I need to show enough reliable independent Significant Coverage to show otherwise. <a href="/wiki/User:VeritasVanguard" title="User:VeritasVanguard">VeritasVanguard</a> <i>"Seeking truth in every edit"</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-VeritasVanguard-20241120140200-Regarding_An_Article_About_Village(s)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VeritasVanguard-20241120140200-Regarding_An_Article_About_Village(s)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VeritasVanguard-20241120140200-Regarding_An_Article_About_Village(s)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241120142600-VeritasVanguard-20241120140200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:VeritasVanguard" title="User:VeritasVanguard">VeritasVanguard</a> If the villages have articles, then they are already <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NGEO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NGEO">wikinotable</a>. However, to add them into the category, you don't edit the category page directly. Instead, you put the category name at the foot of the article. Check one of the village articles that <i>is already a member</i> of the category to see how to do that (or use <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HotCat" title="Wikipedia:HotCat">WP:HotCat</a>) <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241120142600-VeritasVanguard-20241120140200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241120142600-VeritasVanguard-20241120140200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241120142600-VeritasVanguard-20241120140200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VeritasVanguard-20241121143000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241120142600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Michael D. Turnbull</a>Some of them do not have an article on wikipedia as of now. <a href="/wiki/User:VeritasVanguard" title="User:VeritasVanguard">VeritasVanguard</a> <i>"Seeking truth in every edit"</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-VeritasVanguard-20241121143000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241120142600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VeritasVanguard-20241121143000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241120142600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VeritasVanguard-20241121143000-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241120142600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121150400-VeritasVanguard-20241121143000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:VeritasVanguard" title="User:VeritasVanguard">VeritasVanguard</a> That's OK. You should never add anything to a category until it does have an article. However, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GEOLAND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GEOLAND">WP:GEOLAND</a> says that virtually any inhabited place is assumed notable. Hence, drafting brief articles on places you are interested in should be your first task! <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121150400-VeritasVanguard-20241121143000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121150400-VeritasVanguard-20241121143000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121150400-VeritasVanguard-20241121143000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="PD-USGov" data-mw-thread-id="h-PD-USGov-20241120162400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-PD-USGov-20241120162400"></span>PD-USGov<span data-mw-comment-end="h-PD-USGov-20241120162400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: PD-USGov"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EF5-20241120162400-PD-USGov"></span>I currently don't have access to Commons, so I'll ask here since I'll be uploading them locally. Are images produced by military airmen while they are active and on base under PD-USGov? <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.mcconnell.af.mil/News/Photos/igphoto/2002602507/">This</a> is why I'm asking, if they are then there are a plethora of free images of this event, and if not then oh well. More specifically, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1JimIJ3AQM">this video of the tornado, produced by an airman</a>. Thanks! :) <a href="/wiki/User:EF5" title="User:EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>E</b></span></a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:EF5" title="User talk:EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>F</b></span></a></sub><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/EF5" title="Special:Contributions/EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>5</b></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-EF5-20241120162400-PD-USGov" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EF5-20241120162400-PD-USGov"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EF5-20241120162400-PD-USGov"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241120163100-EF5-20241120162400"></span>Well, the particular page you linked to says "IMAGE IS PUBLIC DOMAIN" in large friendly letters, @<a href="/wiki/User:EF5" title="User:EF5">EF5</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241120163100-EF5-20241120162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241120163100-EF5-20241120162400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241120163100-EF5-20241120162400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EF5-20241120163300-ColinFine-20241120163100"></span>Sorry, that was a bad example, I've already uploaded that one. I meant <i>in general</i>, mainly where there <b>isn't</b> a PD notice but the content is still produced by a member of the US Air Force or other branch under the government. :) <a href="/wiki/User:EF5" title="User:EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>E</b></span></a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:EF5" title="User talk:EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>F</b></span></a></sub><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/EF5" title="Special:Contributions/EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>5</b></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-EF5-20241120163300-ColinFine-20241120163100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EF5-20241120163300-ColinFine-20241120163100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EF5-20241120163300-ColinFine-20241120163100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241120174000-EF5-20241120162400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:EF5" title="User:EF5">EF5</a>:</span> You're not blocked on Commons and have edited there today. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241120174000-EF5-20241120162400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241120174000-EF5-20241120162400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241120174000-EF5-20241120162400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EF5-20241120174200-Pigsonthewing-20241120174000"></span>Yes, but due to internet restrictions I am not able to get on at the moment. I should be able to be there later today, but eh. <a href="/wiki/User:EF5" title="User:EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>E</b></span></a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:EF5" title="User talk:EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>F</b></span></a></sub><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/EF5" title="Special:Contributions/EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>5</b></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-EF5-20241120174200-Pigsonthewing-20241120174000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EF5-20241120174200-Pigsonthewing-20241120174000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EF5-20241120174200-Pigsonthewing-20241120174000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Marchjuly-20241121052700-EF5-20241120174200"></span>Works created by employees of the US federal government as part of their official duties are considered to be within the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PD#US_government_works" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PD">public domain</a>; works federal employees create in their free time or which aren't part of their official duties aren't necessarily public domain unless they want to license them as such. Member of the US Armed Forces are considered to be federal employees so any photos they take as part of their official duties are probably going to be considered to be within the public domain; personal photos or the like that's not part of their job so to speak most likely aren't. Sorting out which is which can sometimes be tricky so you need to try and clarify the <a href="/wiki/Provenance" title="Provenance">provenance</a> of the photo as much as you can before uploading it. When in doubt, you can probably ask for help at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions" title="Wikipedia:Media copyright questions">Wikipedia:Media copyright questions</a> or <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/copyright" class="extiw" title="c:Commons:Village pump/copyright">c:Commons:Village pump/copyright</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Marchjuly" title="User:Marchjuly">Marchjuly</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marchjuly" title="User talk:Marchjuly">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Marchjuly-20241121052700-EF5-20241120174200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Marchjuly-20241121052700-EF5-20241120174200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Marchjuly-20241121052700-EF5-20241120174200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_bold_is_too_bold" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_bold_is_too_bold-20241120171400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_bold_is_too_bold-20241120171400"></span>How bold is too bold<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_bold_is_too_bold-20241120171400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: How bold is too bold"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ApteryxRainWing-20241120171400-How_bold_is_too_bold"></span>To be honest, the article for <a href="/wiki/Wings_of_Fire_(novel_series)" title="Wings of Fire (novel series)">Wings of Fire</a> is - to be frank and quite harsh - total garbage and I would love to rewrite most if not all of it myself. I am a fan who knows what they're talking about, so I feel that I am qualified enough. Is it considered too bold to rewrite most of an article then dispute any objections to my changes on the talk page? </p><p>For anyone who is wondering, I feel that the article is way too detailed and simultaneously not detailed enough, nevermind the fact that some of the arc summaries read like advertisements. It focuses on some unimportant details while ignoring some other important details. I can get sources for all this, so don't worry about verifiability. <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ApteryxRainWing-20241120171400-How_bold_is_too_bold" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ApteryxRainWing-20241120171400-How_bold_is_too_bold"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ApteryxRainWing-20241120171400-How_bold_is_too_bold"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amstrad00-20241120174300-ApteryxRainWing-20241120171400"></span>In my opinion you're already failing on the principles set out in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLD</a>. Just go ahead and make the changes you think should be made. If someone feels those changes are wrong or bad they are free to correct or revert them and you can hash out the problem in the talk page like you suggest. As another redirect to WP:Bold suggests, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:JUSTDOIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:JUSTDOIT">WP:JUSTDOIT</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Amstrad00" title="User:Amstrad00">Amstrad00</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amstrad00" title="User talk:Amstrad00">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Amstrad00-20241120174300-ApteryxRainWing-20241120171400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amstrad00-20241120174300-ApteryxRainWing-20241120171400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amstrad00-20241120174300-ApteryxRainWing-20241120171400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241120174800-Amstrad00-20241120174300"></span>I see that you are already making changes and have opened at least one discussion on the Talk page of the article. The article gets hundreds of views a day and has about 100 watchers, so you may find yourseld in active debate. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241120174800-Amstrad00-20241120174300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241120174800-Amstrad00-20241120174300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241120174800-Amstrad00-20241120174300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ApteryxRainWing-20241120191500-David_notMD-20241120174800"></span>Welp, I've done my part. Now it's time to sit back and relax and see if and when I'll get any response. I think my edits were good, and everything is justified in editing summaries so we'll see what happens. On a slightly related note, does anyone do anything about hidden comments? I left one on a piece of information that was incorrect due to a technicality only Wings of Fire fans like myself would care about, which is why I didn't outright correct it. Would someone unfamiliar with the series even care that the perspective changed locations one single time? I think I'm overthinking this and wanting to be a perfectionist. <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ApteryxRainWing-20241120191500-David_notMD-20241120174800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ApteryxRainWing-20241120191500-David_notMD-20241120174800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ApteryxRainWing-20241120191500-David_notMD-20241120174800"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241121102400-David_notMD-20241120174800"></span>ApteryxRainWing</a> After more work you may want to look at the content assessment guideline mentioned at the top of the Talk page to see if you would be comfortable upgrading the rating from C-class to B-class. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241121102400-David_notMD-20241120174800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241121102400-David_notMD-20241120174800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241121102400-David_notMD-20241120174800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Any_new_articles?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Any_new_articles?-20241120182100"><span id="Any_new_articles.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Any_new_articles?-20241120182100"></span>Any new articles?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Any_new_articles?-20241120182100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Any new articles?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IsaqueCar-20241120182100-Any_new_articles?"></span>I want to review and edit some new articles so I gain experience at editing, any articles for me to potentionally edit an contribute? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:IsaqueCar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:IsaqueCar (page does not exist)">IsaqueCar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IsaqueCar" title="User talk:IsaqueCar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-IsaqueCar-20241120182100-Any_new_articles?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IsaqueCar-20241120182100-Any_new_articles?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IsaqueCar-20241120182100-Any_new_articles?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amstrad00-20241120183200-IsaqueCar-20241120182100"></span>If you visit your homepage (which you can reach by clicking you name at the top of the site) you will see some Suggested edits you could make. You can also visit <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Task_Center" title="Wikipedia:Task Center">Wikipedia:Task Center</a> for some additional ideas. <a href="/wiki/User:Amstrad00" title="User:Amstrad00">Amstrad00</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amstrad00" title="User talk:Amstrad00">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Amstrad00-20241120183200-IsaqueCar-20241120182100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amstrad00-20241120183200-IsaqueCar-20241120182100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amstrad00-20241120183200-IsaqueCar-20241120182100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IsaqueCar-20241120183500-Amstrad00-20241120183200"></span>None of the suggested edits are useful since mostly they are old articles that don't have anything to add extra and have no grammar errors. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:IsaqueCar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:IsaqueCar (page does not exist)">Isaque Cardoso</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IsaqueCar" title="User talk:IsaqueCar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-IsaqueCar-20241120183500-Amstrad00-20241120183200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IsaqueCar-20241120183500-Amstrad00-20241120183200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IsaqueCar-20241120183500-Amstrad00-20241120183200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amstrad00-20241120184300-IsaqueCar-20241120183500"></span>That's why I suggested the Task Center as an alternative. Personally I engage in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Random_page_patrol" title="Wikipedia:Random page patrol">Wikipedia:Random page patrol</a> activities and contribute by doing <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Basic_copyediting" title="Wikipedia:Basic copyediting">Wikipedia:Basic copyediting</a> wherever I find it's needed. <a href="/wiki/User:Amstrad00" title="User:Amstrad00">Amstrad00</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amstrad00" title="User talk:Amstrad00">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Amstrad00-20241120184300-IsaqueCar-20241120183500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amstrad00-20241120184300-IsaqueCar-20241120183500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amstrad00-20241120184300-IsaqueCar-20241120183500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thx56-20241120185100-IsaqueCar-20241120183500"></span>If you're looking for grammatical errors to fix, check out <a href="/wiki/Category:All_articles_needing_copy_edit" title="Category:All articles needing copy edit">Category:All articles needing copy edit</a>, or join the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors">Guild of Copy Editors</a>. I would suggest checking out the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Simplified_Manual_of_Style" title="Wikipedia:Simplified Manual of Style">Wikipedia:Simplified Manual of Style</a>, though, to know how we usually do things grammar-wise around here. <a href="/wiki/User:Thx56" title="User:Thx56">Thx56 </a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thx56" title="User talk:Thx56">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Thx56-20241120185100-IsaqueCar-20241120183500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thx56-20241120185100-IsaqueCar-20241120183500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thx56-20241120185100-IsaqueCar-20241120183500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-IsaqueCar-20241120185300-Thx56-20241120185100"></span>Thanks <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:IsaqueCar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:IsaqueCar (page does not exist)">Isaque Cardoso ⌬❦</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:IsaqueCar" title="User talk:IsaqueCar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-IsaqueCar-20241120185300-Thx56-20241120185100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-IsaqueCar-20241120185300-Thx56-20241120185100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-IsaqueCar-20241120185300-Thx56-20241120185100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anachronist-20241120184200-IsaqueCar-20241120182100"></span>You can go to <a href="/wiki/Special:RecentChanges" title="Special:RecentChanges">Special:RecentChanges</a> and filter the list by page creations <i>only</i> in the "(Article)" name space <i>only</i>. You'll see a lot of redirects being created as well as actual articles.</dd> <dd>You can also go to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFC">WP:AFC</a> and scroll down to the section "Recently created articles". These are articles that have passed through a review process and have just been published in article space. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist">Anachronist</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anachronist" title="User talk:Anachronist">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anachronist-20241120184200-IsaqueCar-20241120182100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anachronist-20241120184200-IsaqueCar-20241120182100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anachronist-20241120184200-IsaqueCar-20241120182100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241121185200-IsaqueCar-20241120182100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:IsaqueCar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:IsaqueCar (page does not exist)">IsaqueCar</a>, welcome! You might also enjoy <a href="/wiki/User:SuggestBot" title="User:SuggestBot">User:SuggestBot</a>, which will offer you a list of suggested articles in need of assistance. Instructions on how to use the bot are on its userpage. I've found it's a great help when you're not quite sure where to find an article that interests you <i>and</i> needs work. Happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:StartGrammarTime" title="User:StartGrammarTime">StartGrammarTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StartGrammarTime" title="User talk:StartGrammarTime">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-StartGrammarTime-20241121185200-IsaqueCar-20241120182100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241121185200-IsaqueCar-20241120182100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StartGrammarTime-20241121185200-IsaqueCar-20241120182100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Leeds_(disambiguation)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Leeds_(disambiguation)-20241120190400"><span id="Leeds_.28disambiguation.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Leeds_(disambiguation)-20241120190400"></span><a href="/wiki/Leeds_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Leeds (disambiguation)">Leeds (disambiguation)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Leeds_(disambiguation)-20241120190400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Leeds (disambiguation)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-94.10.105.239-20241120190400-Leeds_(disambiguation)"></span>Hello. I need a logged in user to edit <a href="/wiki/Leeds_(disambiguation)" class="mw-disambig" title="Leeds (disambiguation)">the disambiguation page for Leeds</a>. This article says Leeds is a major town in West Yorkshire. It is actually a city. It is true because of the sources provided on <a href="/wiki/Leeds" title="Leeds">the main page</a>, and its local government district is the <a href="/wiki/City_of_Leeds" title="City of Leeds">City of Leeds</a>. Please help. Thank you in advance. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.10.105.239" title="Special:Contributions/94.10.105.239">94.10.105.239</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:94.10.105.239" title="User talk:94.10.105.239">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-94.10.105.239-20241120190400-Leeds_(disambiguation)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-94.10.105.239-20241120190400-Leeds_(disambiguation)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-94.10.105.239-20241120190400-Leeds_(disambiguation)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nthep-20241120191600-94.10.105.239-20241120190400"></span>Please see the previous discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Leeds_(disambiguation)#Town" title="Talk:Leeds (disambiguation)">Talk:Leeds (disambiguation)#Town</a>. You're welcome to reopen the discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Nthep" title="User:Nthep">Nthep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nthep" title="User talk:Nthep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Nthep-20241120191600-94.10.105.239-20241120190400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nthep-20241120191600-94.10.105.239-20241120190400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nthep-20241120191600-94.10.105.239-20241120190400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-94.10.105.239-20241120192500-Nthep-20241120191600"></span>I don't understand. I've viewed it. They say Leeds does not hold city status, yet there are sources and articles that say that. Even the district has City in the name. Is it city or town? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/94.10.105.239" title="Special:Contributions/94.10.105.239">94.10.105.239</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:94.10.105.239" title="User talk:94.10.105.239">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-94.10.105.239-20241120192500-Nthep-20241120191600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-94.10.105.239-20241120192500-Nthep-20241120191600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-94.10.105.239-20241120192500-Nthep-20241120191600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nthep-20241120222300-94.10.105.239-20241120192500"></span>Like I said, reopen the discussion and ask the people who took part in it, to explain further. <a href="/wiki/User:Nthep" title="User:Nthep">Nthep</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nthep" title="User talk:Nthep">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Nthep-20241120222300-94.10.105.239-20241120192500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nthep-20241120222300-94.10.105.239-20241120192500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nthep-20241120222300-94.10.105.239-20241120192500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_want_to_create_an_article,_but_it's_already_featured_in_a_list._Should_I_do_so?" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_want_to_create_an_article,_but_it's_already_featured_in_a_list._Should_I_do_so-20241120192800"><span id="I_want_to_create_an_article.2C_but_it.27s_already_featured_in_a_list._Should_I_do_so.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_want_to_create_an_article,_but_it's_already_featured_in_a_list._Should_I_do_so-20241120192800"></span>I want to create an article, but it's already featured in a list. Should I do so?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_want_to_create_an_article,_but_it's_already_featured_in_a_list._Should_I_do_so-20241120192800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: I want to create an article, but it's already featured in a list. Should I do so?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Baudshaw-20241120192800-I_want_to_create_an_article,_but_it's_already_featured_in_a_list._Should_I_do_so"></span>I was planning to create an article of a recipe, but the recipe has been shown in a list. Some entries in the list have a main article linked to them. Is there any requirements to create a "main article" for the list? What are the notability requirements for a recipe being on a list versus an a recipe having its own page? <a href="/wiki/User:Baudshaw" title="User:Baudshaw">Baudshaw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Baudshaw" title="User talk:Baudshaw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Baudshaw-20241120192800-I_want_to_create_an_article,_but_it's_already_featured_in_a_list._Should_I_do_so" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Baudshaw-20241120192800-I_want_to_create_an_article,_but_it's_already_featured_in_a_list._Should_I_do_so"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Baudshaw-20241120192800-I_want_to_create_an_article,_but_it's_already_featured_in_a_list._Should_I_do_so"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241120214900-Baudshaw-20241120192800"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">WP:N</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241120214900-Baudshaw-20241120192800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241120214900-Baudshaw-20241120192800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241120214900-Baudshaw-20241120192800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241120215900-Baudshaw-20241120192800"></span>Hello @<a href="/wiki/User:Baudshaw" title="User:Baudshaw">Baudshaw</a>, and welcome to the Teahouse. As Ahn Boy has indicated, the overriding question for "shall I create an article" is always "Is the subject <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notable">notable</a> in Wikipedia's sense?" If the answer is "No", then you should not create an article, and any time you spend trying to (beyond determining that it does not meet the criteria for notability) will be time wasted.</dd> <dd>If the answer is "Yes", then it is possible to create an article. That does not in all cases mean that a separate article should be made: sometimes it makes more sense to add information to an existing article. But if the existing article is a stand-alone list, detail shouldn't be added to it.</dd> <dd>One more thing I'll add: if the recipe does not meet the criteria for notability, then it possibly shouldn't be in the list in the first place: most stand-alone lists are only of notable items (items which have, or could have, an article). However, some lists have a different criterion, so it would depend on how the list in question is defined. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LISTCRITERIA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LISTCRITERIA">WP:LISTCRITERIA</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241120215900-Baudshaw-20241120192800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241120215900-Baudshaw-20241120192800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241120215900-Baudshaw-20241120192800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Good_article_reassessment" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_article_reassessment-20241120193800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_article_reassessment-20241120193800"></span>Good article reassessment<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_article_reassessment-20241120193800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Good article reassessment"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-We_are_the_Great-20241120193800-Good_article_reassessment"></span>How do I start a reassessment of a good article? <a href="/wiki/User:We_are_the_Great" title="User:We are the Great">We are the Great</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:We_are_the_Great" title="User talk:We are the Great">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-We_are_the_Great-20241120193800-Good_article_reassessment" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-We_are_the_Great-20241120193800-Good_article_reassessment"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-We_are_the_Great-20241120193800-Good_article_reassessment"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194800-We_are_the_Great-20241120193800"></span>The process is dependent on reviewer integrity. Reviewers may not review articles that they have edited significantly, and they should focus on determining whether the article meets the Good article criteria. The review should not be influenced by beliefs about how the article could be made "perfect", by how the reviewer would have written the article, or by personal feelings about the article topic. Reviewers should aim to advise on content and form rather than to impose their preferences. A reviewer involved in a contentious discussion should consider withdrawing, so that a less-involved editor can make the final assessment and decision on the Good article criteria. <a href="/wiki/User:Therealjacksonstephen" title="User:Therealjacksonstephen">Therealjacksonstephen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therealjacksonstephen" title="User talk:Therealjacksonstephen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194800-We_are_the_Great-20241120193800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194800-We_are_the_Great-20241120193800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194800-We_are_the_Great-20241120193800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241120201100-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194800"></span>Please excuse my bluntness, but that's a whole lot of words that say very little. Considering <a href="#Good_article">#Good article</a> below (<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">What would you describe a "Good Article" as? How should I go about making one?</q>), perhaps someone more experienced in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GAR">Good Article Reassessments</a> should answer. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241120201100-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241120201100-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241120201100-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241120202300-Rotideypoc41352-20241120201100"></span>Until then, I've responded at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Temper_(film)#Good_article_reassessment_for_Temper_(film)" title="Talk:Temper (film)">Talk:Temper (film)#Good article reassessment for Temper (film)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241120202300-Rotideypoc41352-20241120201100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241120202300-Rotideypoc41352-20241120201100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241120202300-Rotideypoc41352-20241120201100"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-We_are_the_Great-20241121201400-Rotideypoc41352-20241120202300"></span>Rotideypoc41352</a> I have replied to you in the same talk page. Please check it. <a href="/wiki/User:We_are_the_Great" title="User:We are the Great">We are the Great</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:We_are_the_Great" title="User talk:We are the Great">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-We_are_the_Great-20241121201400-Rotideypoc41352-20241120202300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-We_are_the_Great-20241121201400-Rotideypoc41352-20241120202300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-We_are_the_Great-20241121201400-Rotideypoc41352-20241120202300"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:We_are_the_Great" title="User:We are the Great"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241121101600-Rotideypoc41352-20241120202300"></span>We are the Great</a> As noted above, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GAR">Good Article Reassessments</a> describes the process of proposing that an existing GA article be reviewed, with a goal of improving the article to stay at GA or removing GA classification. On any given day, it is a short list of articles at GAR. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241121101600-Rotideypoc41352-20241120202300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241121101600-Rotideypoc41352-20241120202300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241121101600-Rotideypoc41352-20241120202300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Good_Article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_Article-20241120194600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_Article-20241120194600"></span>Good Article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_Article-20241120194600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Good Article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194600-Good_Article"></span>What would you describe a "Good Article" as? How should I go about making one? <a href="/wiki/User:Therealjacksonstephen" title="User:Therealjacksonstephen">Therealjacksonstephen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therealjacksonstephen" title="User talk:Therealjacksonstephen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194600-Good_Article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194600-Good_Article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194600-Good_Article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EF5-20241120201100-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Therealjacksonstephen" title="User:Therealjacksonstephen">Therealjacksonstephen</a>:</span> Welcome to the Teahouse! Usually on Wikipedia, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GA">Good Articles</a> are a content class and require a reviewer to review an article to see if it meets <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_criteria" title="Wikipedia:Good article criteria">the Good Article criteria</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:EF5" title="User:EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>E</b></span></a><sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:EF5" title="User talk:EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>F</b></span></a></sub><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/EF5" title="Special:Contributions/EF5"><span style="color:#A188FC;"><b>5</b></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-EF5-20241120201100-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EF5-20241120201100-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EF5-20241120201100-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120201300-EF5-20241120201100"></span>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Therealjacksonstephen" title="User:Therealjacksonstephen">Therealjacksonstephen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therealjacksonstephen" title="User talk:Therealjacksonstephen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120201300-EF5-20241120201100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120201300-EF5-20241120201100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120201300-EF5-20241120201100"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241121100800-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120201300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Therealjacksonstephen" title="User:Therealjacksonstephen">Therealjacksonstephen</a>:</span> Fewer than six tenths of one percent of English language Wikipedia articles are GA. Creating an article and then improving it to GA is much less common than attempting to improve an existing B-class article to GA. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241121100800-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120201300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241121100800-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120201300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241121100800-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120201300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="HTML" data-mw-thread-id="h-HTML-20241120194700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-HTML-20241120194700"></span>HTML<span data-mw-comment-end="h-HTML-20241120194700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: HTML"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194700-HTML"></span>Does HTML format work with Wikipedia? <a href="/wiki/User:Therealjacksonstephen" title="User:Therealjacksonstephen">Therealjacksonstephen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therealjacksonstephen" title="User talk:Therealjacksonstephen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194700-HTML" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194700-HTML"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194700-HTML"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-20241120201800-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194700"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Therealjacksonstephen" title="User:Therealjacksonstephen">Therealjacksonstephen</a>. A subset of HTML is allowed but some of it has a preferred wikitext alternative. See more at <a href="/wiki/Help:HTML_in_wikitext" title="Help:HTML in wikitext">Help:HTML in wikitext</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PrimeHunter-20241120201800-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-20241120201800-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-20241120201800-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120194700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120201900-PrimeHunter-20241120201800"></span>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Therealjacksonstephen" title="User:Therealjacksonstephen">Therealjacksonstephen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Therealjacksonstephen" title="User talk:Therealjacksonstephen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120201900-PrimeHunter-20241120201800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120201900-PrimeHunter-20241120201800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Therealjacksonstephen-20241120201900-PrimeHunter-20241120201800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="a_weird_question_to_ask" data-mw-thread-id="h-a_weird_question_to_ask-20241120200800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-a_weird_question_to_ask-20241120200800"></span>a weird question to ask<span data-mw-comment-end="h-a_weird_question_to_ask-20241120200800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: a weird question to ask"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jude_marrero-20241120200800-a_weird_question_to_ask"></span>hello! If you're reading this, I couldn't stop singing the part in mighty machines where it went "I roll up, I roll down" and I can't find the entire lyrics, it would be nice if someone can tell me the rest. thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Jude_marrero" title="User:Jude marrero">Jude Marrero [=D</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jude_marrero" title="User talk:Jude marrero">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jude_marrero-20241120200800-a_weird_question_to_ask" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jude_marrero-20241120200800-a_weird_question_to_ask"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jude_marrero-20241120200800-a_weird_question_to_ask"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Amstrad00-20241120201100-Jude_marrero-20241120200800"></span>Hello, the Teahouse is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. You might find <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Entertainment" title="Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment">Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment</a> a better venue for your question, though I personally feel like Google or a similar search engine would be the more appropriate way to look up lyrics. <a href="/wiki/User:Amstrad00" title="User:Amstrad00">Amstrad00</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Amstrad00" title="User talk:Amstrad00">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Amstrad00-20241120201100-Jude_marrero-20241120200800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Amstrad00-20241120201100-Jude_marrero-20241120200800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Amstrad00-20241120201100-Jude_marrero-20241120200800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reliable_Sources?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reliable_Sources?-20241120210900"><span id="Reliable_Sources.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reliable_Sources?-20241120210900"></span>Reliable Sources?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reliable_Sources?-20241120210900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Reliable Sources?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Henrilebec-20241120210900-Reliable_Sources?"></span>I'm trying to document the discovery of tantalum as a surgical implant material in the late 1930s, pioneered by a team of researchers at the <b>Los Angeles Orthopaedic Hospital and the California Institute of Technology</b> led by <a href="/wiki/Draft:Gerald_L_Burke" title="Draft:Gerald L Burke">Draft:Gerald L Burke</a>. My question concerns independent scientific assessments of research in the WW1-WW2 era, say 1900-1940. The process of vetting and validating research 75 years ago required that a research project by a research group be submitted to an <b>independent review panel</b> for validation and, if validated, the project would be published by the relevant journal. This process could be considered an open-source equivalent of the patent process. This was (and still is) a very thorough process that established the "notability" and credibility of the project. However, Wikipedia reviewers now see this process as "insignificant" and "not notable". It is even suggested that this process amounts to "self-publishing". </p><p>It appears to me that Wikipedia's interpretation of the scientific review and publication process is not correct, and somewhat astonishing. Can someone offer any suggestions how to sort this out? <a href="/wiki/User:Henrilebec" title="User:Henrilebec">Henrilebec</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Henrilebec" title="User talk:Henrilebec">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Henrilebec-20241120210900-Reliable_Sources?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Henrilebec-20241120210900-Reliable_Sources?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Henrilebec-20241120210900-Reliable_Sources?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241120215500-Henrilebec-20241120210900"></span>I <i>think</i> some related concepts may have been confused here, but I'm not super sure? Going back to <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Gerald_L_Burke" title="Draft:Gerald L Burke">Draft:Gerald L Burke</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Gerald_L_Burke&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Gerald_L_Burke" title="Draft talk:Gerald L Burke">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Gerald_L_Burke&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Gerald_L_Burke">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Gerald_L_Burke&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AGerald+L+Burke">logs</a>)</span></span>, it needs to cite sources <i>about</i> Burke, not by him. Some other criteria also apply, but the explanation can get a bit long, so let's start there first.</dd> <dd>Please feel free to peruse the Notes and References sections of <a href="/wiki/Jessie_Murray" title="Jessie Murray">Jessie Murray</a> and <a href="/wiki/Howard_Florey" title="Howard Florey">Howard Florey</a>, which are also biographies of doctors. They have gone through a review process called <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:FA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:FA">WP:FA</a>, so the sourcing should be at least decent. The articles rely mostly on writings by <i>other people</i> (biographers or scholars) studying the lives and accomplishments of the subject.</dd> <dd>Hope that gives <a href="/wiki/User:Henrilebec" title="User:Henrilebec">you</a> a better starting point, at least? <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241120215500-Henrilebec-20241120210900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241120215500-Henrilebec-20241120210900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241120215500-Henrilebec-20241120210900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241120215800-Rotideypoc41352-20241120215500"></span>Ah, I see some of the questions are responses to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#09:13,_16_November_2024_review_of_submission_by_Henrilebec" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk">Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#09:13, 16 November 2024 review of submission by Henrilebec</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241120215800-Rotideypoc41352-20241120215500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:58, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241120215800-Rotideypoc41352-20241120215500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241120215800-Rotideypoc41352-20241120215500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Henrilebec-20241121073100-Rotideypoc41352-20241120215800"></span>It appears the basis of the misunderstanding here is that the reviewers of the article are assuming that the CMAJ is simply publishing a personal article by Burke, when in fact the CMAJ board of independent medical scientists is actually reviewing the work of Burke's research team and assessing its scientific importance. This is not about <i>Burke</i> or <i>Burke's life</i>, but about the science behind the team's discoveries. There is not a single word about Burke in Burke's article. Scientific articles in journals are not about the author(s), they're about the science in the project. Somebody has to write up the research and it's usually the research leader. It's quite apparent in the CMAJ article, so I'm surprised that the Wikipedia reviewer didn't understand what was being described. FWIW, Burke's work has been mentioned in other scientific journals such as in the National Library of Medicine (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7154344/">https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7154344/</a>), The Semantic Scholar (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/THE-CORROSION-OF-METALS-IN-TISSUES%3B-AND-AN-TO-Burke/1c97c6bb83b6619a2b047d0de13de0fd793ba445">https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/THE-CORROSION-OF-METALS-IN-TISSUES%3B-AND-AN-TO-Burke/1c97c6bb83b6619a2b047d0de13de0fd793ba445</a>), Europe PMC (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://europepmc.org/article/MED/20321780">https://europepmc.org/article/MED/20321780</a>), Frontiers in Bioengineering (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/bioengineering-and-biotechnology/articles/10.3389/fbioe.2022.983695/full">https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/bioengineering-and-biotechnology/articles/10.3389/fbioe.2022.983695/full</a>), and by Harvard Medical School (ORVILLE T. BAILEY M.D., FRANC D. INGRAI-IAM, M.D., PRESTON S. WEADON, M.D. AND ANTHONY F. SUSEN, M.D. Departmentsof Pathologyand Surgery,Harvard Medical School,and the Neurosurgical Service of The Children's Medical Center,Boston,Massachusetts (August18, 1951). Perhaps I should have included these (and other sources)? but I thought that one or two would be enough. I'm not a Wikipedia expert and not skilled at the Wikipedia way! Do I need to completely rewrite the article including all the sources (there's dozens more!) What do you suggest? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Henrilebec" title="User:Henrilebec">Henrilebec</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Henrilebec#top" title="User talk:Henrilebec">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Henrilebec" title="Special:Contributions/Henrilebec">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Henrilebec-20241121073100-Rotideypoc41352-20241120215800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Henrilebec-20241121073100-Rotideypoc41352-20241120215800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Henrilebec-20241121073100-Rotideypoc41352-20241120215800"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Henrilebec" title="User:Henrilebec"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FactOrOpinion-20241121161800-Henrilebec-20241121073100"></span>Henrilebec</a>, lots of medical researchers publish work and have their work cited by other researchers but aren't notable by Wikipedia's standards. If you can find articles that not only cite Burke's publications but also discuss his role in the body of the text, that will be helpful. For example, the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7154344/">first one</a> you listed says "Tantalum is a biocompatible, relatively inert transition metal whose first reported use was as a component of surgical sutures by Burke in 1940." That helps to establish his role in the history of tantalum's medical use, though it's still only a passing mention and may not be significant enough to help establish his notability. I don't have access to these (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jbm.a.37373">1</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0267660594901139">2</a>), but based on the snippet shown by Google Scholar, it looks like they also mention that Burke introduced its surgical use. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=13509984936653388955&as_sdt=20000005&sciodt=0,21&hl=en">Here's</a> Google Scholar's list of works that cite Burke's 1940 article. On the other hand, if you don't actually want to write about Burke himself, "but about the science behind the team's discoveries," then your draft shouldn't be about Burke, and you might instead just want to add more information to <a href="/wiki/Tantalum#Surgical_uses" title="Tantalum">Tantalum#Surgical uses</a>, as Maproom pointed out. <a href="/wiki/User:FactOrOpinion" title="User:FactOrOpinion">FactOrOpinion</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FactOrOpinion" title="User talk:FactOrOpinion">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FactOrOpinion-20241121161800-Henrilebec-20241121073100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FactOrOpinion-20241121161800-Henrilebec-20241121073100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FactOrOpinion-20241121161800-Henrilebec-20241121073100"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Henrilebec" title="User:Henrilebec"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maproom-20241121083800-FactOrOpinion-20241121161800"></span>Henrilebec</a>, I see no misunderstanding. If this is about <a href="/wiki/Draft:Gerald_L_Burke" title="Draft:Gerald L Burke">Draft:Gerald L Burke</a>, you'll need to find and cite sources that establish that Burke is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:N">notable</a> – such sources will need to be <i>about</i> Burke, not <i>by</i> him. If you're asking about some other article or draft (maybe <a href="/wiki/Tantalum#Surgical_uses" title="Tantalum">Tantalum#Surgical uses</a>?), please let us know which. <a href="/wiki/User:Maproom" title="User:Maproom">Maproom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maproom" title="User talk:Maproom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Maproom-20241121083800-FactOrOpinion-20241121161800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maproom-20241121083800-FactOrOpinion-20241121161800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maproom-20241121083800-FactOrOpinion-20241121161800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_removing_one_of_those_WikiProject_tags_from_the_draft_possible?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_removing_one_of_those_WikiProject_tags_from_the_draft_possible?-20241120233600"><span id="Is_removing_one_of_those_WikiProject_tags_from_the_draft_possible.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_removing_one_of_those_WikiProject_tags_from_the_draft_possible?-20241120233600"></span>Is removing one of those WikiProject tags from the draft possible?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_removing_one_of_those_WikiProject_tags_from_the_draft_possible?-20241120233600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Is removing one of those WikiProject tags from the draft possible?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JRGuevarra-20241120233600-Is_removing_one_of_those_WikiProject_tags_from_the_draft_possible?"></span>I'm stuck on those because I have added <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Southeast_Asia" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Southeast Asia">WikiProject Southeast Asia</a> tag onto the <a href="/wiki/Draft:Saving_Grace_(Philippine_TV_series)" title="Draft:Saving Grace (Philippine TV series)">Draft:Saving Grace (Philippine TV series)</a> without realizing that there's a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Tambayan_Philippines" title="Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines">WikiProject Tambayan Philippines</a> tag there. So, is it possible to remove one of those WikiProject tags from the draft? <a href="/wiki/User:JRGuevarra" title="User:JRGuevarra">JRGuevarra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JRGuevarra" title="User talk:JRGuevarra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-JRGuevarra-20241120233600-Is_removing_one_of_those_WikiProject_tags_from_the_draft_possible?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JRGuevarra-20241120233600-Is_removing_one_of_those_WikiProject_tags_from_the_draft_possible?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JRGuevarra-20241120233600-Is_removing_one_of_those_WikiProject_tags_from_the_draft_possible?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241120234100-JRGuevarra-20241120233600"></span>Yes of course! <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241120234100-JRGuevarra-20241120233600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241120234100-JRGuevarra-20241120233600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241120234100-JRGuevarra-20241120233600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JRGuevarra-20241121013600-Ahri_Boy-20241120234100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> Thanks. That really solves the issue easily. <a href="/wiki/User:JRGuevarra" title="User:JRGuevarra">JRGuevarra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JRGuevarra" title="User talk:JRGuevarra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-JRGuevarra-20241121013600-Ahri_Boy-20241120234100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JRGuevarra-20241121013600-Ahri_Boy-20241120234100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JRGuevarra-20241121013600-Ahri_Boy-20241120234100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cypher_System_article?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cypher_System_article?-20241121000400"><span id="Cypher_System_article.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cypher_System_article?-20241121000400"></span>Cypher System article?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cypher_System_article?-20241121000400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Cypher System article?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kaworu1992-20241121000400-Cypher_System_article?"></span>Dear Friends. </p><p>I see we have no article about Cypher System (ttRPG from Monte Cook Games). I have read the Corebook and a few supplementary books. I would like to write an article for that system, but I kinda do not know where to begin, I think? Any help/advice or other words of wisdom? ;-) </p><p>Best wishes </p><p>-- <a href="/wiki/User:Kaworu1992" title="User:Kaworu1992">Kaworu1992</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kaworu1992" title="User talk:Kaworu1992">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Kaworu1992-20241121000400-Cypher_System_article?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kaworu1992-20241121000400-Cypher_System_article?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kaworu1992-20241121000400-Cypher_System_article?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241121001200-Kaworu1992-20241121000400"></span>The only thing is to build a draft article. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRAFT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRAFT">WP:DRAFT</a>. Make sure that your submission meets <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTABILITY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTABILITY">WP:NOTABILITY</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ahri_Boy" title="User:Ahri Boy">Ahri Boy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahri_Boy" title="User talk:Ahri Boy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ahri_Boy-20241121001200-Kaworu1992-20241121000400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahri_Boy-20241121001200-Kaworu1992-20241121000400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahri_Boy-20241121001200-Kaworu1992-20241121000400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241121150000-Kaworu1992-20241121000400"></span>Hello, @<a href="/wiki/User:Kaworu1992" title="User:Kaworu1992">Kaworu1992</a>, and welcome to the Teahouse. To add to what Ahri Boy said: <i>start</i> by looking for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">reliable independent sources</a>: if you can't find any, or only one, then you'll know not to spend any more time on this attempt, as it will be time wasted. If you can find at least three such sources, then forget what you know about the game, and write a summary of what those independent sources say. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241121150000-Kaworu1992-20241121000400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241121150000-Kaworu1992-20241121000400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241121150000-Kaworu1992-20241121000400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_to_edit_page_and_add_citations?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_to_edit_page_and_add_citations?-20241121011800"><span id="How_to_edit_page_and_add_citations.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_to_edit_page_and_add_citations?-20241121011800"></span>How to edit page and add citations?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_to_edit_page_and_add_citations?-20241121011800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: How to edit page and add citations?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LordOfWalruses-20241121011800-How_to_edit_page_and_add_citations?"></span>I’ve been trying to add new information on the Wikipedia article regarding Illinois’s Protect Illinois Communities Act, though I don’t know how to edit via the simple and direct way (without the brackets and other characters used for Wikipedia functions). If someone could help me out with adding this information or do it for me, that would be great. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LordOfWalruses&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LordOfWalruses (page does not exist)">LordOfWalruses</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LordOfWalruses" title="User talk:LordOfWalruses">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-LordOfWalruses-20241121011800-How_to_edit_page_and_add_citations?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LordOfWalruses-20241121011800-How_to_edit_page_and_add_citations?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LordOfWalruses-20241121011800-How_to_edit_page_and_add_citations?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121012900-LordOfWalruses-20241121011800"></span>If you <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org?title=Protect_Illinois_Communities_Act&veaction=edit">use VisualEditor on the Protect Illinois Communities Act article</a></span>, does that allow <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LordOfWalruses&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LordOfWalruses (page does not exist)">you</a> to edit it? <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121012900-LordOfWalruses-20241121011800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121012900-LordOfWalruses-20241121011800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121012900-LordOfWalruses-20241121011800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LordOfWalruses-20241121030800-Rotideypoc41352-20241121012900"></span>That helped with adding the information, though I don’t know how to cite the source.</dd> <dd>(This is the source in case you’re wondering: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/chicago/news/illinois-assault-weapons-ban-ruled-unconstitutional/">https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/chicago/news/illinois-assault-weapons-ban-ruled-unconstitutional/</a> ) <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LordOfWalruses&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LordOfWalruses (page does not exist)">LordOfWalruses</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LordOfWalruses" title="User talk:LordOfWalruses">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-LordOfWalruses-20241121030800-Rotideypoc41352-20241121012900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LordOfWalruses-20241121030800-Rotideypoc41352-20241121012900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LordOfWalruses-20241121030800-Rotideypoc41352-20241121012900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241121033700-LordOfWalruses-20241121030800"></span>Hello, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LordOfWalruses&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LordOfWalruses (page does not exist)">LordOfWalruses</a>. If you want to contribute to Wikipedia, then you need to learn how to create references to reliable sources. It is not that difficult. Please read and study <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REFBEGIN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REFBEGIN">Referencing for beginners</a>, and if you have any <i>specific</i> questions, ask then here at the Teahouse. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241121033700-LordOfWalruses-20241121030800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241121033700-LordOfWalruses-20241121030800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241121033700-LordOfWalruses-20241121030800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100-Cullen328-20241121033700"></span>Sure thing; I apologize for any inconvenience or confusion I caused amongst other users. If you could send that link to my talk page so that I can always know how to access it (even when this conversation is removed), that would be great. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LordOfWalruses&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LordOfWalruses (page does not exist)">LordOfWalruses</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LordOfWalruses" title="User talk:LordOfWalruses">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100-Cullen328-20241121033700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100-Cullen328-20241121033700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100-Cullen328-20241121033700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241121095500-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100"></span>Sent. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241121095500-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241121095500-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241121095500-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241121214000-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LordOfWalruses&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LordOfWalruses (page does not exist)">LordOfWalruses</a>:</span> Please don't apologise. This page exists <i>specifically</i> for new editors to ask questions like yours. Ask as many as you like. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241121214000-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241121214000-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241121214000-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241121215700-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:LordOfWalruses&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:LordOfWalruses (page does not exist)">LordOfWalruses</a>, if it helps, you can put links to any handy Wikipedia things you want to be able to find easily on your user page. You can access your user page by clicking on your name either at the end of comments or on the top right of your screen. Your user page link is currently red, which means the page doesn't exist yet, so you'll start off by simply creating the page and adding whatever you like. Mine is full of links I find useful; you're welcome to investigate and use 'edit source' to see the Wikipedia coding I used. That should help you understand how all the linking shenanigans work! Feel free to post on my talk page if you have any questions about how I set it up. Welcome and happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:StartGrammarTime" title="User:StartGrammarTime">StartGrammarTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StartGrammarTime" title="User talk:StartGrammarTime">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-StartGrammarTime-20241121215700-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241121215700-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StartGrammarTime-20241121215700-LordOfWalruses-20241121050100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Submit_a_new_article_draft" data-mw-thread-id="h-Submit_a_new_article_draft-20241121013400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Submit_a_new_article_draft-20241121013400"></span>Submit a new article draft<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Submit_a_new_article_draft-20241121013400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Submit a new article draft"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NruasPaoYPP-20241121013400-Submit_a_new_article_draft"></span>Hello, </p><p>can you help me please? I don't know what is wrong there with my new article draft, but I cannot submit it to review. Below is what I get done, but submit it to review does not go throughout. So, I don't know how to fix it. <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Submitting&withJS=MediaWiki:AFC-submit-wizard.js&page=User:73.37.225.229/sandbox/Luang_prabang_Night_Market">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Submitting&withJS=MediaWiki:AFC-submit-wizard.js&page=User:73.37.225.229/sandbox/Luang_prabang_Night_Market</a> </p><p>Thank you. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:NruasPaoYPP&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:NruasPaoYPP (page does not exist)">NruasPaoYPP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NruasPaoYPP" title="User talk:NruasPaoYPP">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-NruasPaoYPP-20241121013400-Submit_a_new_article_draft" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NruasPaoYPP-20241121013400-Submit_a_new_article_draft"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NruasPaoYPP-20241121013400-Submit_a_new_article_draft"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jlwoodwa-20241121015200-NruasPaoYPP-20241121013400"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:NruasPaoYPP&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:NruasPaoYPP (page does not exist)">NruasPaoYPP</a>:</span> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:73.37.225.229/sandbox/Luang_prabang_Night_Market&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:73.37.225.229/sandbox/Luang prabang Night Market (page does not exist)">User:73.37.225.229/sandbox/Luang prabang Night Market</a> does not exist. Could you give a link to the draft that you want to submit? <a href="/wiki/User:Jlwoodwa" title="User:Jlwoodwa">jlwoodwa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jlwoodwa" title="User talk:Jlwoodwa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jlwoodwa-20241121015200-NruasPaoYPP-20241121013400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jlwoodwa-20241121015200-NruasPaoYPP-20241121013400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jlwoodwa-20241121015200-NruasPaoYPP-20241121013400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NruasPaoYPP-20241121020100-Jlwoodwa-20241121015200"></span>This administrator/or guy has deleted my draft without telling me what was wrong. See below</dd> <dd><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:73.37.225.229/sandbox/Luang_prabang_Night_Market">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:73.37.225.229/sandbox/Luang_prabang_Night_Market</a></dd> <dd>Do you see what I dis and is vandalism? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:NruasPaoYPP&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:NruasPaoYPP (page does not exist)">NruasPaoYPP</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NruasPaoYPP" title="User talk:NruasPaoYPP">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-NruasPaoYPP-20241121020100-Jlwoodwa-20241121015200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NruasPaoYPP-20241121020100-Jlwoodwa-20241121015200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NruasPaoYPP-20241121020100-Jlwoodwa-20241121015200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jlwoodwa-20241121025100-NruasPaoYPP-20241121020100"></span>I am not an administrator, so I cannot see deleted pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Bbb23" title="User:Bbb23">Bbb23</a> deleted those pages because they appeared to be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VD">vandalism</a>. If you don't think they were vandalism, you can ask him about it at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bbb23" title="User talk:Bbb23">User talk:Bbb23</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Jlwoodwa" title="User:Jlwoodwa">jlwoodwa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jlwoodwa" title="User talk:Jlwoodwa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jlwoodwa-20241121025100-NruasPaoYPP-20241121020100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jlwoodwa-20241121025100-NruasPaoYPP-20241121020100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jlwoodwa-20241121025100-NruasPaoYPP-20241121020100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241121112600-Jlwoodwa-20241121025100"></span>It did not appear to be vandalism to me, so certainly <a href="/wiki/User:Bbb23" title="User:Bbb23">user:Bbb23</a> should explain or undo the deletion. though <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:73.37.225.229/sandbox/Luang_prabang_Night_Market&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:73.37.225.229/sandbox/Luang prabang Night Market (page does not exist)">User:73.37.225.229/sandbox/Luang prabang Night Market</a> is an unusual place to locate it. I recommend using <a href="/wiki/Draft:Luang_prabang_Night_Market" title="Draft:Luang prabang Night Market">Draft:Luang prabang Night Market</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User:Graeme Bartlett">Graeme Bartlett</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Graeme_Bartlett" title="User talk:Graeme Bartlett">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241121112600-Jlwoodwa-20241121025100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241121112600-Jlwoodwa-20241121025100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Graeme_Bartlett-20241121112600-Jlwoodwa-20241121025100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bbb23-20241121142000-Graeme_Bartlett-20241121112600"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Bbb23" title="User:Bbb23">Bbb23</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bbb23" title="User talk:Bbb23">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Bbb23-20241121142000-Graeme_Bartlett-20241121112600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bbb23-20241121142000-Graeme_Bartlett-20241121112600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bbb23-20241121142000-Graeme_Bartlett-20241121112600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Redirects_and_Sources" data-mw-thread-id="h-Redirects_and_Sources-20241121034200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Redirects_and_Sources-20241121034200"></span>Redirects and Sources<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Redirects_and_Sources-20241121034200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Redirects and Sources"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200-Redirects_and_Sources"></span>A while ago I was looking at the page for <a href="/wiki/Xylocopa_aerata" title="Xylocopa aerata">Xylocopa aerata</a> when I noticed one of the plants it is described feeding at, <a href="/wiki/Pultenaea_elliptica" class="mw-redirect" title="Pultenaea elliptica">Pultenaea elliptica</a>, was at the time a redlink. Thinking it would be an interesting project as my first real page, I did some research and discovered it is actually the previous name for <a href="/wiki/Pultenaea_tuberculata" title="Pultenaea tuberculata">Pultenaea tuberculata</a>. I've already made Pultenaea elliptica a redirect to the correct page. I know this is probably a stupid question, but do I change the link in Xylocopa aerata from the redirect to the correct name, even though that was probably the name used in the source? <a href="/wiki/User:PineappleWizard123" title="User:PineappleWizard123">PineappleWizard123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PineappleWizard123" title="User talk:PineappleWizard123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200-Redirects_and_Sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200-Redirects_and_Sources"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200-Redirects_and_Sources"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241121042400-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200"></span>Hello, <a href="/wiki/User:PineappleWizard123" title="User:PineappleWizard123">PineappleWizard123</a>. In my opinion, the best solution is to display the name used in the cited source. If that name redirects to a more current name for the same species, there is nothing wrong with that. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241121042400-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241121042400-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241121042400-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121120100-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:PineappleWizard123" title="User:PineappleWizard123">PineappleWizard123</a> An alternative if you didn't want to create the redirect would have been to use a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PIPED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PIPED">piped link</a>. The syntax <code>[[Pultenaea tuberculata|Pultenaea elliptica]]</code> would give a blue-link direct to the correct article but would appear to the reader in the old name. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121120100-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121120100-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121120100-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241121213600-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:PineappleWizard123" title="User:PineappleWizard123">PineappleWizard123</a>:</span> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Plants" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants">WT:WikiProject Plants</a> would be a good place to get subject-specialist advice. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241121213600-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241121213600-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241121213600-PineappleWizard123-20241121034200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Avoiding_an_edit_war" data-mw-thread-id="h-Avoiding_an_edit_war-20241121065100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Avoiding_an_edit_war-20241121065100"></span>Avoiding an edit war<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Avoiding_an_edit_war-20241121065100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Avoiding an edit war"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Krill_Bill-20241121065100-Avoiding_an_edit_war"></span>A few weeks ago I was on the page for <a href="/wiki/Iamgold" title="Iamgold">Iamgold</a>, and noticed that it was clearly written by someone from within the company, as it used nearly no references and used corporate language to advertise the company. I reverted the edit, but I have since seen that my reversion has been undone by the same author who made the original bad edit, and the page is back in the state that I found it in. What should I do? I don't want to get into an edit war, and I'm not sure what to do next. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Krill_Bill&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Krill Bill (page does not exist)">Krill Bill</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Krill_Bill&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Krill Bill (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Krill_Bill-20241121065100-Avoiding_an_edit_war" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Krill_Bill-20241121065100-Avoiding_an_edit_war"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Krill_Bill-20241121065100-Avoiding_an_edit_war"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ca-20241121082600-Krill_Bill-20241121065100"></span>While the edit introduced promotional content, it also updated some facts, albeit without sourcing. You did the correct thing by not edit warring. You should enter into discussion with the user, pointing to the guideline on providing sources, promotional language, and possible conflict of interest (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PROMO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROMO">WP:PROMO</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">WP:COI</a>). If the user continues to revert with no discsusion, you will have to report them to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">Admin's noticeboard</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ca" title="User:Ca">Ca</a> <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ca" title="User talk:Ca">talk to me!</a></sup></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ca-20241121082600-Krill_Bill-20241121065100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ca-20241121082600-Krill_Bill-20241121065100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ca-20241121082600-Krill_Bill-20241121065100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Belarusian_userboxes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Belarusian_userboxes-20241121073600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Belarusian_userboxes-20241121073600"></span>Belarusian userboxes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Belarusian_userboxes-20241121073600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Belarusian userboxes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SpinnerLaserzthe2nd-20241121073600-Belarusian_userboxes"></span>A moment ago I created a userbox that for users who support Belarus but opposed Lukashenko at the Belarusian Wikipedia. But a user marked it as deletion thinking it that "Wikipedia is not a forum". I was then reported just because I remove the deletion marker as I believe that that beliefs means you can express anything from political to religious. The report was a result of my misunderstanding to the rules there. This is really sad because that Wikipedia does not have userbox galleries where you can express your beliefs or interests there. I do wish the Belarusian Wikipedia allows anyone to create Userboxes for anyone to express their political and religious beliefs. <a href="/wiki/User:SpinnerLaserzthe2nd" title="User:SpinnerLaserzthe2nd">SpinnerLaserzthe2nd</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SpinnerLaserzthe2nd" title="User talk:SpinnerLaserzthe2nd">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-SpinnerLaserzthe2nd-20241121073600-Belarusian_userboxes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SpinnerLaserzthe2nd-20241121073600-Belarusian_userboxes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SpinnerLaserzthe2nd-20241121073600-Belarusian_userboxes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MolecularPilot-20241121082500-SpinnerLaserzthe2nd-20241121073600"></span>Hi! As the page as been deleted, I can't see what kind of deletion it was tagged for - but, regardless - the way to respond to a deletion request is <b>not</b> to remove the deletion tag.</dd> <dd>In future:</dd> <dd>If it has a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">WP:CSD</a> request (with the text "This page has been nominated for <b>speedy</b> deletion") - you need to click the big blue button that says "Contest this speedy deletion" and state why you disagree with it. If it is deleted even despite this and you still disagree, you should bring it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRV">deletion review</a>.</dd> <dd>If it has a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TFD">WP:TFD</a> request (with the text "This template has been nominated for deletion") - you need to click onto the discussion page linked in the box and add your comment there, prefixed by <b>Keep: </b> and ending with a signature (~~~~).</dd> <dd>Also a note that if by "Belarusian Wikipedia" you mean Belarusian Language Wikipedia (<a class="external autonumber" href="https://be.wikipedia.org">[1]</a>), please note that this is the help centre for the English wikipedia and we aren't familiar with the norms there so won't be able to help. <a href="/wiki/User:MolecularPilot" title="User:MolecularPilot"><span style="color: #0369a1; font-family:monospace">MolecularPilot</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MolecularPilot" title="User talk:MolecularPilot">🧪️</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MolecularPilot" title="Special:Contributions/MolecularPilot">✈️</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-MolecularPilot-20241121082500-SpinnerLaserzthe2nd-20241121073600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MolecularPilot-20241121082500-SpinnerLaserzthe2nd-20241121073600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MolecularPilot-20241121082500-SpinnerLaserzthe2nd-20241121073600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121115300-MolecularPilot-20241121082500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:SpinnerLaserzthe2nd" title="User:SpinnerLaserzthe2nd">SpinnerLaserzthe2nd</a> Here on en:Wikipedia there is guidance for what can be included in userboxes, including some restrictions: see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UBCR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UBCR">WP:UBCR</a>. I assume that all other-language Wikipedias have their own rules and to alter these you will have to gain local consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121115300-MolecularPilot-20241121082500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121115300-MolecularPilot-20241121082500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241121115300-MolecularPilot-20241121082500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pending_changes,_redirects_to_Special:Badtitle/Message?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pending_changes,_redirects_to_Special:Badtitle/Message?-20241121105200"><span id="Pending_changes.2C_redirects_to_Special:Badtitle.2FMessage.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pending_changes,_redirects_to_Special:Badtitle/Message?-20241121105200"></span>Pending changes, redirects to <a href="/wiki/Special:Badtitle/Message" class="new" title="Special:Badtitle/Message (page does not exist)">Special:Badtitle/Message</a>?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pending_changes,_redirects_to_Special:Badtitle/Message?-20241121105200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Pending changes, redirects to Special:Badtitle/Message?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TyphoonAmpil-20241121105200-Pending_changes,_redirects_to_Special:Badtitle/Message?"></span>There's a problem on <a href="/wiki/Special:PendingChanges" title="Special:PendingChanges">Special:PendingChanges</a>. if you click a "There are 1 pending revisions awaiting review." will redirected to <a href="/wiki/Special:Badtitle/Message" class="new" title="Special:Badtitle/Message (page does not exist)">Special:Badtitle/Message</a>. Why happened here? <a href="/wiki/User:TyphoonAmpil" title="User:TyphoonAmpil"><span style="color:navy;"><b>Ampil</b></span></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TyphoonAmpil" title="User talk:TyphoonAmpil"><span style="color:#FF738A;"><b>Ταικ</b></span></a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TyphoonAmpil" title="Special:Contributions/TyphoonAmpil"><span style="color:#fcacb9;"><b>Cοnτribυτιοns</b></span></a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TyphoonAmpil-20241121105200-Pending_changes,_redirects_to_Special:Badtitle/Message?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TyphoonAmpil-20241121105200-Pending_changes,_redirects_to_Special:Badtitle/Message?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TyphoonAmpil-20241121105200-Pending_changes,_redirects_to_Special:Badtitle/Message?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-20241121201800-TyphoonAmpil-20241121105200"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:TyphoonAmpil" title="User:TyphoonAmpil">TyphoonAmpil</a>. It's a recent bug discussed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Special:Badtitle_in_pending_changes_notice" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)">Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Special:Badtitle in pending changes notice</a> (with a suggested fix) and <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380519" class="extiw" title="phab:T380519">phab:T380519</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PrimeHunter-20241121201800-TyphoonAmpil-20241121105200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-20241121201800-TyphoonAmpil-20241121105200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-20241121201800-TyphoonAmpil-20241121105200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Google,_AI,_&_Wikipedia;_when_2+2=5" data-mw-thread-id="h-Google,_AI,_&_Wikipedia;_when_2+2=5-20241121112700"><span id="Google.2C_AI.2C_.26_Wikipedia.3B_when_2.2B2.3D5"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Google,_AI,_&_Wikipedia;_when_2+2=5-20241121112700"></span>Google, AI, & Wikipedia; when 2+2=5<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Google,_AI,_&_Wikipedia;_when_2+2=5-20241121112700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Google, AI, & Wikipedia; when 2+2=5"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WendlingCrusader-20241121112700-Google,_AI,_&_Wikipedia;_when_2+2=5"></span>Cars have <b>numberplates</b>; steam trains have <b>nameplates</b>; and RAF units have heraldic <b>crests</b> (aka badges). Underlying these decorative items is the actual identity, which might be expressed as <a href="/wiki/Vehicle_identification_number" title="Vehicle identification number">VIN</a> (cars), number (trains), and squadron number (whatever). But, way back in the midsts of time i.e. pre-Covid, one, or maybe several editors here, introduced the idea that RAF squadron identities were known as 'nameplates' i.e. in official documentation. </p> <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:34081_Nameplate.JPG" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/34081_Nameplate.JPG/220px-34081_Nameplate.JPG" decoding="async" width="220" height="165" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/34081_Nameplate.JPG/330px-34081_Nameplate.JPG 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/34081_Nameplate.JPG/440px-34081_Nameplate.JPG 2x" data-file-width="2048" data-file-height="1536"/></a><figcaption>Battle of Britain class nameplate featuring No. 92 Squadron crest</figcaption></figure> <p>I had not met this idea before, so I searched around, recognising that the main problem is that the word 'nameplate' does legitimately exist, and there are even steam locomotives known as the <a href="/wiki/Battle_of_Britain_class" class="mw-redirect" title="Battle of Britain class">Battle of Britain class</a> that manage to combine 'RAF' with 'nameplate', so searching was always going to be a nightmare. </p><p>Asking Google/Bing/whatever, came back with this classic; </p> <pre>The RAF nameplate is a heraldic emblem used to represent the Royal Air Force (RAF). It features an eagle superimposed on a circlet, which is surmounted by a crown. Additionally... </pre> <p>And Google even credits Wikipedia with this very familiar text, except for one critical thing. The original Wikipedia text actually reads as follows; </p> <pre>The <i><b>badge</b></i> of the RAF is the heraldic emblem... </pre> <p>So, basically, not only do we have a circular definition, but we also have Google's AI shoe-horning the term 'nameplate' into a place where it doesn't belong, and then passing it off as Wikipedia's fault! (Note to self; don't trust AI - it lies) </p><p>So far I am unable to find any original source that uses 'nameplate' in the context of RAF squadron badges, except for a handful of articles here on Wikipedia itself, and articles that clearly have subsequently drawn on Wikipedia. Yes, I could ask at Military History, and either get a US-centric viewpoint, or an ex-RAF bod arguing whether it is a <i>crest</i> or a <i>badge</i> - but that's another battle. What is the view of the <a href="/wiki/Man_on_the_Clapham_omnibus" title="Man on the Clapham omnibus">Man on the Clapham omnibus</a>, or failing that anybody here at the Teahouse? Is there a way to refine my search criteria to cut out steam locomotives, etc? Or am I simply barking up the wrong tree? <a href="/wiki/User:WendlingCrusader" title="User:WendlingCrusader">WendlingCrusader</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WendlingCrusader" title="User talk:WendlingCrusader">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-WendlingCrusader-20241121112700-Google,_AI,_&_Wikipedia;_when_2+2=5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WendlingCrusader-20241121112700-Google,_AI,_&_Wikipedia;_when_2+2=5"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WendlingCrusader-20241121112700-Google,_AI,_&_Wikipedia;_when_2+2=5"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121162800-WendlingCrusader-20241121112700"></span>If my tired brain understands this correctly, you A) have already found the Wikipedia article(s) that <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">introduced the idea that RAF squadron identities were known as 'nameplates' i.e. in official documentation</q> and B) want to know if some off-wiki source supports this idea.</dd> <dd>I'm sure there are ways of turning off the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LLM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LLM">LLM</a> on search engines or ways of ticking some stowed-away "verbatim" setting that'll cause the engine to correctly interpret the <code>-</code> ("not") <a href="/wiki/Boolean_operator" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Boolean operator">boolean operator</a>.</dd> <dd>That said, if you prefer not to spend more time trying to find the source, just replace "nameplate" with the appropriate word, wiklink this discussion in your edit summary ("per <code>[[Wikipedia:Teahouse#Google, AI, & Wikipedia; when 2+2=5]]</code>"), and move on. If someone reverts your changes, you can <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">continue the discussion</a> in the appropriate forum.</dd> <dd>Alternatively, you can try <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiBlame" title="Wikipedia:WikiBlame">WikiBlame</a> on an article or two and see if anything in the edit itself or the summary is illuminating. Failing that, you can see if the editor is still active. If so, you can ask them for their sources though it's a long shot if the edit was years ago. If not, I don't know if you can do much else. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121162800-WendlingCrusader-20241121112700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121162800-WendlingCrusader-20241121112700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121162800-WendlingCrusader-20241121112700"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:WendlingCrusader" title="User:WendlingCrusader"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FactOrOpinion-20241121172400-Rotideypoc41352-20241121162800"></span>WendlingCrusader</a>, Rotideypoc41352's advice is good. FWIW, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.56sqnfirebirds.org.uk/squadronhistory_ww2.htm">this</a> article, which is reference #7 on the <a href="/wiki/No._56_Squadron_RAF" title="No. 56 Squadron RAF">No. 56 Squadron RAF</a> article, says "On 31 March 1946, whilst at Fassberg, Germany, the unit gave up its No 56 (Punjab) Squadron name plate, and took over the No 16 Squadron name plate." <a href="/wiki/User:FactOrOpinion" title="User:FactOrOpinion">FactOrOpinion</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FactOrOpinion" title="User talk:FactOrOpinion">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-FactOrOpinion-20241121172400-Rotideypoc41352-20241121162800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FactOrOpinion-20241121172400-Rotideypoc41352-20241121162800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FactOrOpinion-20241121172400-Rotideypoc41352-20241121162800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WendlingCrusader-20241121184300-FactOrOpinion-20241121172400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a>, @<a href="/wiki/User:FactOrOpinion" title="User:FactOrOpinion">FactOrOpinion</a></dd> <dd>Thanks to both of you, and apologies for writing so much drivel that it tired you out. Still, it must make a change from all those brand new editors asking how to get a new article accepted because their teacher/mother/best-friend is just so cool.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Large_language_model" title="Large language model">LLM</a> - wow, that's a new one on me; it seems that I encountered a <a href="/wiki/Hallucination_(artificial_intelligence)" title="Hallucination (artificial intelligence)">hallucination</a>! I've bookmarked that one for the next time.</dd> <dd>Yes, I had already checked the previous editor - I should have said; just under 400 edits, active 2015-18, plus came back twice in 2021. I call that a dead end.</dd> <dd>No. 56 squadron - good catch, and I thought you had found 'my' editor, but it turns out he had left his footprints on 54 and 57 squadrons, not 56 - that was someone else. I shall look into that presently. But, the key thing is that you did find an external source for the term 'nameplate'. But is it <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>? My attempts to find further sources via Google Ngram Viewer merely confirm that the term is <i>exceedingly rare</i> in the aviation context.</dd> <dd>Most likely I will take your advice and <a href="/wiki/Publish_and_be_damned" class="mw-redirect" title="Publish and be damned">edit, publish, and be damned!</a></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:WendlingCrusader" title="User:WendlingCrusader">WendlingCrusader</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WendlingCrusader" title="User talk:WendlingCrusader">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-WendlingCrusader-20241121184300-FactOrOpinion-20241121172400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WendlingCrusader-20241121184300-FactOrOpinion-20241121172400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WendlingCrusader-20241121184300-FactOrOpinion-20241121172400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="unknown_parameter_"ethnicity"" data-mw-thread-id="h-unknown_parameter_"ethnicity"-20241121120600"><span id="unknown_parameter_.22ethnicity.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-unknown_parameter_"ethnicity"-20241121120600"></span>unknown parameter "ethnicity"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-unknown_parameter_"ethnicity"-20241121120600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: unknown parameter "ethnicity""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rvvz-20241121120600-unknown_parameter_"ethnicity""></span>Adding in an article <code>[[File:Ostfri16.gif|thumb|Coat of arms]]</code> gives (how to prevent?): Preview warning: Page using Template:Infobox family with unknown parameter "ethnicity" <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rvvz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rvvz (page does not exist)">Rvvz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rvvz" title="User talk:Rvvz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rvvz-20241121120600-unknown_parameter_"ethnicity"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rvvz-20241121120600-unknown_parameter_"ethnicity""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rvvz-20241121120600-unknown_parameter_"ethnicity""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Perception312-20241121142600-Rvvz-20241121120600"></span>Hi! The preview warning is unrelated to the image. I think you can ignore it, but if you want to make the warning go away, remove the ethnicity parameter from the infobox. I'm guessing you're talking about <a href="/wiki/House_of_Santen" title="House of Santen">House of Santen</a>, so you would remove the 6th line: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">|ethnicity = [[Dutch people|Dutch]]-[[Germans|German]]</q> <a href="/wiki/User:Perception312" title="User:Perception312">Perception312</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Perception312" title="User talk:Perception312">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Perception312-20241121142600-Rvvz-20241121120600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Perception312-20241121142600-Rvvz-20241121120600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Perception312-20241121142600-Rvvz-20241121120600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241122083600-Perception312-20241121142600"></span>Hello, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rvvz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rvvz (page does not exist)">Rvvz</a>. Please take a look at <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_family" title="Template:Infobox family">Template:Infobox family</a>, where it lists all of the many parameters that can be used when using that infobox. "Ethnicity" is not a parameter supported by that infobox. When you use an unsupported parameter in an infobox, the software generates an error message. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241122083600-Perception312-20241121142600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241122083600-Perception312-20241121142600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241122083600-Perception312-20241121142600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rvvz-20241122175000-Perception312-20241121142600"></span>House of Santen improved.. Thanks ! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rvvz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rvvz (page does not exist)">Rvvz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rvvz" title="User talk:Rvvz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rvvz-20241122175000-Perception312-20241121142600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rvvz-20241122175000-Perception312-20241121142600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rvvz-20241122175000-Perception312-20241121142600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="How_to_properly_edit?" data-mw-thread-id="h-How_to_properly_edit?-20241121123600"><span id="How_to_properly_edit.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-How_to_properly_edit?-20241121123600"></span>How to properly edit?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-How_to_properly_edit?-20241121123600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: How to properly edit?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ApteryxRainWing-20241121123600-How_to_properly_edit?"></span>Is it better to edit large amounts of information in multiple smaller edits or one big edit? I've been working on the page for <a href="/wiki/Wings_of_Fire_(novel_series)" title="Wings of Fire (novel series)">Wings of Fire</a> and I've opted for the smaller edits route, so that way someone can revert individual edits that got something wrong instead of undoing all my work. However, I'm worried that it looks like I am trying to inflate my edit count (which I'm not, I just keep finding better ways to order and phrase my writing) and I don't want to make anyone start throwing accusations around, especially since I am nowhere near the 500 edit threshold for I believe extended auto confirmed status. <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ApteryxRainWing-20241121123600-How_to_properly_edit?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ApteryxRainWing-20241121123600-How_to_properly_edit?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ApteryxRainWing-20241121123600-How_to_properly_edit?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241121131900-ApteryxRainWing-20241121123600"></span>You don't have to ask the question with which you start. (Also, I'm too lazy right now to give it the answer that it merits.) Yes, some people do make tiny edits in order to inflate their edit count. But their lists of "contributions", and the histories of the articles they've tinkered with, don't look at all like yours. So you have nothing to worry about. Feel free to keep on doing what you're doing and don't worry about it. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241121131900-ApteryxRainWing-20241121123600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241121131900-ApteryxRainWing-20241121123600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241121131900-ApteryxRainWing-20241121123600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241121155500-Hoary-20241121131900"></span>Typically, for my massive revisions to article, I've ended up making 30-60 edits, each representing a completed task (most recently to <a href="/wiki/Vitamin_E" title="Vitamin E">Vitamin E</a> in preparation for nominating it for Good article, and then the GA review). You are right in that this will allow other editors to use View history to review each of your edits. Dont worry about edit count. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241121155500-Hoary-20241121131900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241121155500-Hoary-20241121131900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241121155500-Hoary-20241121131900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Page_Name_topic_/_username" data-mw-thread-id="h-Page_Name_topic_/_username-20241121133900"><span id="Page_Name_topic_.2F_username"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Page_Name_topic_/_username-20241121133900"></span>Page Name topic / username<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Page_Name_topic_/_username-20241121133900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Page Name topic / username"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Speedrecordman-20241121133900-Page_Name_topic_/_username"></span>Hi, I would like to write a page regarding Albert Denly the great record breaker in the 1920 and 30s. </p><p>I know it may seem simply but this is out of my depth as i am dyslexic, and there are a hell of a load of words on these pages! </p><p>It appears when i am doing a draft in the sandbox that it is going to go to a page which is my username and not my chosen subject Albert Denly. </p><p>Can you reassure me i wont waste time making a page for someone who does not exist ie my username? </p><p>Thanks <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Speedrecordman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Speedrecordman (page does not exist)">Speedrecordman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Speedrecordman" title="User talk:Speedrecordman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Speedrecordman-20241121133900-Page_Name_topic_/_username" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Speedrecordman-20241121133900-Page_Name_topic_/_username"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Speedrecordman-20241121133900-Page_Name_topic_/_username"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241121151200-Speedrecordman-20241121133900"></span>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Speedrecordman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Speedrecordman (page does not exist)">Speedrecordman</a>, and welcome to the Teahouse.</dd> <dd>The first thing to say is that creating a new article is a very challenging process for new editors (and though you have had an account for nearly ten years, you've hardly ever edited, so you count as a new editor).</dd> <dd>Most new editors who immediately try to create an article have a miserable and frustrating time, because they don't understand Wikipedia's requirements. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiability</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral point of view</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">reliable, independent sources</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">Bold, Revert, Discuss</a> cycle), then you might be ready to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">your first article</a> carefully, and try creating a draft.</dd> <dd>The most important thing about creating an article - and the absolute first thing to research, because that will tell you whether or not there is any point in continuing with that subject - is to determine whether or not the subject is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notable" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notable">notable</a> in Wikipedia's sense - which mostly comes down to whether there is enough independent published material available about them (the material doesn't have to be available on the internet, as long as it was published by a reputable publisher).</dd> <dd>If you follow the advice in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">your first article</a>, you will use the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_wizard" title="Wikipedia:Article wizard">article wizard</a> to create a Draft (which in your case will be called <a href="/w/index.php?title=Draft:Albert_Denly&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Draft:Albert Denly (page does not exist)">Draft:Albert Denly</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241121151200-Speedrecordman-20241121133900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241121151200-Speedrecordman-20241121133900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241121151200-Speedrecordman-20241121133900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Speedrecordman-20241121153500-ColinFine-20241121151200"></span>Many thanks for your help Colin.</dd> <dd>I so want to create the page and know a lot of facts regarding Albert Denly which i have found to be of great interest on Facebook pages, so hopefully will be of interest to anyone interested in the 1920s 30's and even the 1950s, and he was involved himself personally in records and then helped many more PR profiles like the Campbells, and Cobb and Moss, so i wanted to link him through to their pages.</dd> <dd>Because my dyslexia restricts me in the simplest of task i believe in what you saying, this might be almost impossible!</dd> <dd>Is there another way i can create a page for him?</dd> <dd>Thanks In advance. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Speedrecordman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Speedrecordman (page does not exist)">Speedrecordman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Speedrecordman" title="User talk:Speedrecordman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Speedrecordman-20241121153500-ColinFine-20241121151200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Speedrecordman-20241121153500-ColinFine-20241121151200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Speedrecordman-20241121153500-ColinFine-20241121151200"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Speedrecordman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Speedrecordman (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241121160900-Speedrecordman-20241121153500"></span>Speedrecordman</a> Create the draft and start small. Model your sections on existing articles of people with similar achievements, i.e., famous motor cycle racers. Find references first, and only write content that is verified by those references. Once you think that you have content and at least three valid references (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">WP:42</a> for guidelines) submit it to be reviewed. If you do manage to get it reviewed you can consider adding images if you can find some that are so old as to have any copyright expired. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241121160900-Speedrecordman-20241121153500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241121160900-Speedrecordman-20241121153500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241121160900-Speedrecordman-20241121153500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Speedrecordman-20241121172500-David_notMD-20241121160900"></span>Many thanks David, i think this approach will be very helpful to me.</dd> <dd>How old does a photo need to be to have no copyright attached to it? Sorry if it is a silly question but can the big photo companies add copyright to the photos however old they are?</dd> <dd>Thanks <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Speedrecordman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Speedrecordman (page does not exist)">Speedrecordman</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Speedrecordman" title="User talk:Speedrecordman">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Speedrecordman-20241121172500-David_notMD-20241121160900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Speedrecordman-20241121172500-David_notMD-20241121160900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Speedrecordman-20241121172500-David_notMD-20241121160900"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Speedrecordman&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Speedrecordman (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241121181600-Speedrecordman-20241121172500"></span>Speedrecordman</a>, copyright law is extremely complex, but a general rule is that if a photo was first published over 95 years ago in the United States, it is highly likely to be in the public domain and therefore free of copyright restrictions. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241121181600-Speedrecordman-20241121172500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241121181600-Speedrecordman-20241121172500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241121181600-Speedrecordman-20241121172500"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions" title="Wikipedia:Media copyright questions"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241121182000-Cullen328-20241121181600"></span>Wikipedia:Media copyright questions</a> is a place to ask about specific images. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241121182000-Cullen328-20241121181600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241121182000-Cullen328-20241121181600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241121182000-Cullen328-20241121181600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="About_an_Edit_by_the_User" data-mw-thread-id="h-About_an_Edit_by_the_User-20241121141400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-About_an_Edit_by_the_User-20241121141400"></span>About an Edit by the User<span data-mw-comment-end="h-About_an_Edit_by_the_User-20241121141400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: About an Edit by the User"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VeritasVanguard-20241121141400-About_an_Edit_by_the_User"></span>States in India do not have flags or banners, they have their emblems or seals, most containing the Emblem of India. In the Page of <a href="/wiki/Government_of_Punjab,_India" title="Government of Punjab, India">Government of Punjab, India</a>, Due to no evidence, I deleted the image claiming to be the banner of the State Government. I 've never seen it in use in any of the Offices, Website, Notifications, Events, Buildings of the Government (I've been to many). The user is the uploader of the said file, he was the one who first added it, and he did the same again. What should be done? <a href="/wiki/User:VeritasVanguard" title="User:VeritasVanguard">VeritasVanguard</a> <i>"Seeking truth in every edit"</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-VeritasVanguard-20241121141400-About_an_Edit_by_the_User" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VeritasVanguard-20241121141400-About_an_Edit_by_the_User"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VeritasVanguard-20241121141400-About_an_Edit_by_the_User"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Perception312-20241121150000-VeritasVanguard-20241121141400"></span>Hi! I suggest starting a discussion with the user on the article's talk page to see if they can provide a reliable source that explicitly supports the claim that the image in question is the state's banner. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DISCUSSCONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DISCUSSCONSENSUS">WP:DISCUSSCONSENSUS</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Original_research" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Original research">WP:original research</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Perception312" title="User:Perception312">Perception312</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Perception312" title="User talk:Perception312">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Perception312-20241121150000-VeritasVanguard-20241121141400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Perception312-20241121150000-VeritasVanguard-20241121141400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Perception312-20241121150000-VeritasVanguard-20241121141400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Number_sorting_template_help" data-mw-thread-id="h-Number_sorting_template_help-20241121145500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Number_sorting_template_help-20241121145500"></span>Number sorting template help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Number_sorting_template_help-20241121145500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Number sorting template help"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WeatherWriter-20241121145500-Number_sorting_template_help"></span>I've been playing around with <a href="/wiki/Template:Nts" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Nts">Template:nts</a> for a new draft I am working on, <a href="/wiki/Draft:Attacks_on_the_United_States" title="Draft:Attacks on the United States">Draft:Attacks on the United States</a>. The sorting feature on the table in the draft is not able to correctly show 178,800–223,800 is larger than 15,000 when the deaths column is sorted in descending order. Can someone help fix that and/or explain how I would fix that in the future? <b>The <a href="/wiki/User:WeatherWriter" title="User:WeatherWriter">Weather Event Writer</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WeatherWriter" title="User talk:WeatherWriter">Talk Page)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-WeatherWriter-20241121145500-Number_sorting_template_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WeatherWriter-20241121145500-Number_sorting_template_help"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WeatherWriter-20241121145500-Number_sorting_template_help"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-20241121183600-WeatherWriter-20241121145500"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:WeatherWriter" title="User:WeatherWriter">Weather Event Writer</a>. Rotideypoc41352 fixed it with <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft%3AAttacks_on_the_United_States&diff=1258776783&oldid=1258772866">[2]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PrimeHunter-20241121183600-WeatherWriter-20241121145500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-20241121183600-WeatherWriter-20241121145500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-20241121183600-WeatherWriter-20241121145500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Do_I_misuse_edit_summaries?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Do_I_misuse_edit_summaries?-20241121163900"><span id="Do_I_misuse_edit_summaries.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Do_I_misuse_edit_summaries?-20241121163900"></span>Do I misuse edit summaries?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Do_I_misuse_edit_summaries?-20241121163900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Do I misuse edit summaries?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ApteryxRainWing-20241121163900-Do_I_misuse_edit_summaries?"></span>I've been skimming some articles and their edit histories and I found that no one really does detailed edit summaries like I do. Most of the time, there isn't even an edit summary. Am I trying too hard, or are my justifications appreciated? <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ApteryxRainWing-20241121163900-Do_I_misuse_edit_summaries?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ApteryxRainWing-20241121163900-Do_I_misuse_edit_summaries?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ApteryxRainWing-20241121163900-Do_I_misuse_edit_summaries?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ca-20241121171300-ApteryxRainWing-20241121163900"></span>People are encouraged to write edit summaries, but since its optional many don't bother with it. However, consistently writing edit summaries helps to avoid confusion and adds rationale to your edits, espeicially if you are making big changes. Personally, I make to leave edit summaries for every edit I make. <a href="/wiki/User:Ca" title="User:Ca">Ca</a> <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ca" title="User talk:Ca">talk to me!</a></sup></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Ca-20241121171300-ApteryxRainWing-20241121163900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ca-20241121171300-ApteryxRainWing-20241121163900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ca-20241121171300-ApteryxRainWing-20241121163900"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241121180600-Ca-20241121171300"></span>ApteryxRainWing</a>, in my opinion, some of your edit summaries are overly detailed and "chatty". Here is an example: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Updated infobox which only said there were seven graphic novels. There is an eighth one releasing in a month as of the time of writing this. Does it matter if I am a month early if the novel is already finished and just waiting for the Christmas shopping boom?</q> Edit summaries are not for engaging in conversation or asking questions of other editors. But I will answer your question. It is wrong to say in an infobox that something has been released when it has not yet been released. According to <a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_summary" title="Help:Edit summary">Help: Edit summary</a>, <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Avoid long summaries. Edit summaries are not for explaining every detail, writing essays about "the truth", or long-winded arguments with fellow editors.</q> <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241121180600-Ca-20241121171300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241121180600-Ca-20241121171300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241121180600-Ca-20241121171300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ApteryxRainWing-20241121180900-Cullen328-20241121180600"></span>That question in particular was rhetorical, but I get where you are coming from. I'll fix that error too <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ApteryxRainWing-20241121180900-Cullen328-20241121180600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ApteryxRainWing-20241121180900-Cullen328-20241121180600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ApteryxRainWing-20241121180900-Cullen328-20241121180600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241122090400-ApteryxRainWing-20241121180900"></span>In my opinion, <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a>, there is no need for rhetorical questions among Wikipedia editors, especially in edit summaries. Communication among editors should be concise, direct and only for the purpose of improving the encyclopedia, not for displaying one's cleverness. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241122090400-ApteryxRainWing-20241121180900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241122090400-ApteryxRainWing-20241121180900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241122090400-ApteryxRainWing-20241121180900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HiLo48-20241122091900-Do_I_misuse_edit_summaries?"></span>Note the second word. It's a summary, not an essay.<a href="/wiki/User:HiLo48" title="User:HiLo48">HiLo48</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HiLo48" title="User talk:HiLo48">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-HiLo48-20241122091900-Do_I_misuse_edit_summaries?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HiLo48-20241122091900-Do_I_misuse_edit_summaries?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HiLo48-20241122091900-Do_I_misuse_edit_summaries?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Getting_help_writing_a_new_BLP" data-mw-thread-id="h-Getting_help_writing_a_new_BLP-20241121181400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Getting_help_writing_a_new_BLP-20241121181400"></span>Getting help writing a new BLP<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Getting_help_writing_a_new_BLP-20241121181400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: Getting help writing a new BLP"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GracenC-20241121181400-Getting_help_writing_a_new_BLP"></span>I'm looking to write an article on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Yuka_Kitamura&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Yuka Kitamura (page does not exist)">Yuka Kitamura</a>, as I believe that there are a significant number of reliable sources writing about her contributions to the video game music genre. However, especially considering it would be a BLP, I don't want to mess it up and have a lot of hard work go to waste. Is there any way that I can receive feedback on a draft throughout the drafting process (so not just "I write a bad BLP draft, request review, and get told it's a bad BLP")? Are there any places where I can request help in this form, or is this not something that is done? Thanks in advance, <a href="/wiki/User:GracenC" title="User:GracenC">/home/gracen/</a> (yell at me <a href="/wiki/User_talk:GracenC" title="User talk:GracenC">here</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GracenC-20241121181400-Getting_help_writing_a_new_BLP" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GracenC-20241121181400-Getting_help_writing_a_new_BLP"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GracenC-20241121181400-Getting_help_writing_a_new_BLP"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121184400-GracenC-20241121181400"></span>According to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2021_December_11#17:57:34,_11_December_2021_review_of_draft_by_Llamaah1029" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2021 December 11">Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2021 December 11 § 17:57:34, 11 December 2021 review of draft by Llamaah1029</a>, the draft you are trying to revive isn't great. However, <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuka_Kitamura" class="extiw" title="fr:Yuka Kitamura">fr:Yuka Kitamura</a> appears to have some promising sources, as does <a href="/wiki/User:Silver_seren" title="User:Silver seren">Silver seren</a>'s post way back in 2020 at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Archive_77#Women_Pioneers_in_Video_Game_Music" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red/Archive 77">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red/Archive 77 § Women Pioneers in Video Game Music</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121184400-GracenC-20241121181400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121184400-GracenC-20241121181400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121184400-GracenC-20241121181400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GracenC-20241121191000-Rotideypoc41352-20241121184400"></span>Thanks for both the jumping-off point for sources and the link to the AfC help desk; I had no idea the latter existed! Do you know if that's a good place to ask for serious help? I scrolled through it quickly and it seems like it's filled with quite a bit of spam and other nonsense... Also, if the previous draft was that bad, I don't think I need it; go right ahead and decline. <a href="/wiki/User:GracenC" title="User:GracenC">/home/gracen/</a> (yell at me <a href="/wiki/User_talk:GracenC" title="User talk:GracenC">here</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GracenC-20241121191000-Rotideypoc41352-20241121184400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GracenC-20241121191000-Rotideypoc41352-20241121184400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GracenC-20241121191000-Rotideypoc41352-20241121184400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121203000-GracenC-20241121191000"></span>I haven't used the AfC help desk—to my admittedly limited knowledge, its main purpose is to offer advice <i>after</i> a reviewer has declined a draft.</dd> <dd>To go back to your original question, my <i>extremely unorthodox</i> advice is to a) support each sentence with an inline citation to a reliable source (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLPRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLPRS">just to be safe</a>), b) open a discussion on the draft talk when ready, and c) announce the draft talk discussion using something like {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Please_see" title="Template:Please see">subst:Please see</a>}} at active relevant WikiProjects like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WPWIR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WPWIR">Women in Red</a> and the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VG">Video games</a> one. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121203000-GracenC-20241121191000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121203000-GracenC-20241121191000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241121203000-GracenC-20241121191000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241122002100-GracenC-20241121191000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:GracenC" title="User:GracenC">GracenC</a>, I wander past the AfC helpdesk frequently - it's a good place to ask specific questions about things you don't understand, but it very much helps us out if you've done a bit of research yourself first! You can also read through other people's questions to see what the frequent problems with drafts are. Since a declined draft exists, even though you didn't write it, you can look at the previous discussions to see what was wrong with it in particular. If you'd prefer a quieter place to ask questions, you're welcome to come to my talk page - I'm less experienced than most of the others who help out at the helpdesk but you can always take a question back to them if I can't help you. Happy editing! <a href="/wiki/User:StartGrammarTime" title="User:StartGrammarTime">StartGrammarTime</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:StartGrammarTime" title="User talk:StartGrammarTime">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-StartGrammarTime-20241122002100-GracenC-20241121191000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-StartGrammarTime-20241122002100-GracenC-20241121191000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-StartGrammarTime-20241122002100-GracenC-20241121191000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GracenC-20241122004300-StartGrammarTime-20241122002100"></span>That's quite kind of you; I might just stop by your talk page! I did take a look at the previous draft and its contents were questionable at best. The only thing I decided to retain from it was its single source, which I'm planning on adequately supplementing. <a href="/wiki/User:GracenC" title="User:GracenC">/home/gracen/</a> (yell at me <a href="/wiki/User_talk:GracenC" title="User talk:GracenC">here</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GracenC-20241122004300-StartGrammarTime-20241122002100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GracenC-20241122004300-StartGrammarTime-20241122002100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GracenC-20241122004300-StartGrammarTime-20241122002100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241122010600-Getting_help_writing_a_new_BLP"></span>Courtesy link for any passerby and <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:StartGrammarTime" title="User:StartGrammarTime">StartGrammarTime</a>:</span> <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx"><a href="/wiki/Draft:Yuka_Kitamura" title="Draft:Yuka Kitamura">Draft:Yuka Kitamura</a> <span style="font-size:90%;">(<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Yuka_Kitamura&action=edit">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Draft_talk:Yuka_Kitamura" title="Draft talk:Yuka Kitamura">talk</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Yuka_Kitamura&action=history">history</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Draft:Yuka_Kitamura">links</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Yuka_Kitamura&action=watch">watch</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft%3AYuka+Kitamura">logs</a>)</span></span>. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241122010600-Getting_help_writing_a_new_BLP" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241122010600-Getting_help_writing_a_new_BLP"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241122010600-Getting_help_writing_a_new_BLP"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Looking_for_an_Editor,_a_Biography" data-mw-thread-id="h-Looking_for_an_Editor,_a_Biography-20241121191200"><span id="Looking_for_an_Editor.2C_a_Biography"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Looking_for_an_Editor,_a_Biography-20241121191200"></span>Looking for an Editor, a Biography<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Looking_for_an_Editor,_a_Biography-20241121191200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Looking for an Editor, a Biography"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241121191200-Looking_for_an_Editor,_a_Biography"></span>Hi, I’m new to Wikipedia, and I’ve written a draft article titled [<i>Aram Mala Nuri</i>]. I’m waiting for it to be <b>reviewed</b>, but I would greatly appreciate it if someone could take a look and provide <b>feedback </b>or help me improve it. Here’s the link to my draft: <a href="/wiki/User:Zhewar_H._Ali/sandbox" title="User:Zhewar H. Ali/sandbox">User:Zhewar H. Ali/sandbox</a>. </p><p>Thank you for your time and assistance! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zhewar_H._Ali&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zhewar H. Ali (page does not exist)">Zhewar H. Ali</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zhewar_H._Ali" title="User talk:Zhewar H. Ali">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241121191200-Looking_for_an_Editor,_a_Biography" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241121191200-Looking_for_an_Editor,_a_Biography"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241121191200-Looking_for_an_Editor,_a_Biography"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241121194400-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241121191200"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zhewar_H._Ali&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zhewar H. Ali (page does not exist)">Zhewar H. Ali</a> That is what the review will do for you. Please be aware that a request for an editor might lead to people soliciting money from you to edit. Please be very aware of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SCAM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SCAM">WP:SCAM</a> and make a report of any approach to part you from your money as outlined there. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Timtrent-20241121194400-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241121191200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241121194400-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241121191200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241121194400-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241121191200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241121194700-Timtrent-20241121194400"></span>You have not yet submitted it for review. I will do that for you 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Timtrent-20241121194700-Timtrent-20241121194400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241121194700-Timtrent-20241121194400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241121194700-Timtrent-20241121194400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241121195300-Timtrent-20241121194700"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zhewar_H._Ali&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zhewar H. Ali (page does not exist)">Zhewar H. Ali</a> There is much work to do here. <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_declined.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="no" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Symbol_declined.svg/18px-Symbol_declined.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="19" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Symbol_declined.svg/27px-Symbol_declined.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Symbol_declined.svg/36px-Symbol_declined.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span><b> Declined</b> with work to do. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent" title="User talk:Timtrent"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Timtrent-20241121195300-Timtrent-20241121194700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241121195300-Timtrent-20241121194700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241121195300-Timtrent-20241121194700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241122214000-Timtrent-20241121195300"></span>Thanks for your help. I will edit it and make sure that it is perfect. Will you explain that if they take the person I am writing about not notable, but he is. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zhewar_H._Ali&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zhewar H. Ali (page does not exist)">Zhewar H. Ali</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zhewar_H._Ali" title="User talk:Zhewar H. Ali">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241122214000-Timtrent-20241121195300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241122214000-Timtrent-20241121195300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241122214000-Timtrent-20241121195300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jlwoodwa-20241121194600-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241121191200"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zhewar_H._Ali&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zhewar H. Ali (page does not exist)">Zhewar H. Ali</a>:</span> If you want your draft to be reviewed, you should submit it through <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AfC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AfC">Articles for Creation</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Jlwoodwa" title="User:Jlwoodwa">jlwoodwa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jlwoodwa" title="User talk:Jlwoodwa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jlwoodwa-20241121194600-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241121191200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jlwoodwa-20241121194600-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241121191200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jlwoodwa-20241121194600-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241121191200"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maproom-20241121213300-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241121191200"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zhewar_H._Ali&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zhewar H. Ali (page does not exist)">Zhewar H. Ali</a>:</span> your sandbox cites only three sources (though it does list some more). Please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Referencing_for_beginners" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners">Referencing for beginners</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Maproom" title="User:Maproom">Maproom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maproom" title="User talk:Maproom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Maproom-20241121213300-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241121191200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maproom-20241121213300-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241121191200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maproom-20241121213300-Zhewar_H._Ali-20241121191200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_USGenWeb_a_reliable_source?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_USGenWeb_a_reliable_source?-20241121205400"><span id="Is_USGenWeb_a_reliable_source.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_USGenWeb_a_reliable_source?-20241121205400"></span>Is USGenWeb a reliable source?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_USGenWeb_a_reliable_source?-20241121205400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Is USGenWeb a reliable source?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jak-2456-20241121205400-Is_USGenWeb_a_reliable_source?"></span>Hey everyone. I am locating sources for <a href="/wiki/Pierce_County,_Minnesota" title="Pierce County, Minnesota">Pierce County, MN</a> and I have come across a few resources that I think may be related: </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.google.com/books/edition/Harper_s_Statistical_Gazetteer_of_the_Wo/ABYQNCcUftIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Pierce+County,+Minnesota%22+-wikipedia&pg=PA1380&printsec=frontcover">[3]</a> </p><p>and <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.us-census.org/states/minnesota/p-mn.htm">[4]</a> </p><p>Would these be considered reliable sources for the article? <a href="/wiki/User:Jak-2456" title="User:Jak-2456">Jak-2456</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jak-2456" title="User talk:Jak-2456">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jak-2456-20241121205400-Is_USGenWeb_a_reliable_source?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jak-2456-20241121205400-Is_USGenWeb_a_reliable_source?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jak-2456-20241121205400-Is_USGenWeb_a_reliable_source?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241121224200-Jak-2456-20241121205400"></span>Hello, <a href="/wiki/User:Jak-2456" title="User:Jak-2456">Jak-2456</a>. USGenWeb is a network of thousands of user-created genealogy websites. These are self published sources that may be useful for research but are not acceptable for use as references on Wikipedia. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFPUBLISH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SELFPUBLISH">WP:SELFPUBLISH</a> for the policy language. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241121224200-Jak-2456-20241121205400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241121224200-Jak-2456-20241121205400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241121224200-Jak-2456-20241121205400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_for_feedback_on_COI_draft:_The_Frost_(2024_film)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_feedback_on_COI_draft:_The_Frost_(2024_film)-20241121205600"><span id="Request_for_feedback_on_COI_draft:_The_Frost_.282024_film.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_feedback_on_COI_draft:_The_Frost_(2024_film)-20241121205600"></span>Request for feedback on COI draft: The Frost (2024 film)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_feedback_on_COI_draft:_The_Frost_(2024_film)-20241121205600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Request for feedback on COI draft: The Frost (2024 film)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JRubinFilm-20241121205600-Request_for_feedback_on_COI_draft:_The_Frost_(2024_film)"></span>Hi, I’ve been working on a draft for <i>The Frost (2024 film)</i> in my sandbox (<a href="/wiki/User:JRubinFilm/sandbox" title="User:JRubinFilm/sandbox">User:JRubinFilm/sandbox</a>). </p><p>Since I have a Conflict of Interest (COI) as the creator of the film, I can’t directly move it to mainspace. I’d love feedback from other editors to help make sure the draft meets Wikipedia’s standards. Specifically, I’d like to know: </p> <ul><li>Does it meet notability guidelines for films?</li> <li>Is the tone neutral and encyclopedic?</li> <li>Are the sources reliable and sufficient?</li></ul> <p>If there are areas that need work, I’m happy to update the draft based on your suggestions. Thanks so much for taking the time to help! </p><p>—Josh Rubin <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JRubinFilm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JRubinFilm (page does not exist)">JRubinFilm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JRubinFilm" title="User talk:JRubinFilm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-JRubinFilm-20241121205600-Request_for_feedback_on_COI_draft:_The_Frost_(2024_film)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JRubinFilm-20241121205600-Request_for_feedback_on_COI_draft:_The_Frost_(2024_film)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JRubinFilm-20241121205600-Request_for_feedback_on_COI_draft:_The_Frost_(2024_film)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241121212600-JRubinFilm-20241121205600"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JRubinFilm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JRubinFilm (page does not exist)">JRubinFilm</a>:</span> Please follow the process at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFC">WP:AFC</a> and submit it for review. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn"><a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a></span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20241121212600-JRubinFilm-20241121205600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pigsonthewing-20241121212600-JRubinFilm-20241121205600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pigsonthewing-20241121212600-JRubinFilm-20241121205600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241121214700-JRubinFilm-20241121205600"></span>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JRubinFilm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JRubinFilm (page does not exist)">JRubinFilm</a>, and welcome to the Teahouse. Like most new editors who attempt the challenging task of creating an article before they have spent time learning how Wikipedia works, you have written your draft <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BACKWARDS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BACKWARDS">BACKWARDS</a>. Wikipedia is basically not interested in what you know, think, or believe about the film <i>especially if is your film</i>. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable sources</a>. <small>If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.</small></dd> <dd>(Note that the first two sources you cite, at least, are not independent, as they are mostly quoting what Parker says).</dd> <dd>My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability" title="Wikipedia:Verifiability">verifiability</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view" title="Wikipedia:Neutral point of view">neutral point of view</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:42" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:42">reliable, independent sources</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">notability</a>, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BRD">Bold, Revert, Discuss</a> cycle), then you might be ready to read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Your first article">your first article</a> carefully, and try creating a draft. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241121214700-JRubinFilm-20241121205600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241121214700-JRubinFilm-20241121205600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241121214700-JRubinFilm-20241121205600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anachronist-20241121230000-ColinFine-20241121214700"></span>It isn't bad, but also isn't ready.</dd> <dd>The four sources cited are OK. There's just too much unsubstantiated promotionalist puffery in the prose. "Considered a landmark" by whom? "Known for his expertise" by whom? Since when is a discussion "thought provoking"? Other puffery adjectives include "uncanny", "unique", "significant", "effective", "high-concept" (what does that even mean? It's meaningless), "pivotal" and so on.</dd> <dd>These need to be eliminated completely. The prose of a Wikkipedia article is straightforward, dispassionate, and neutral. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist">Anachronist</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anachronist" title="User talk:Anachronist">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anachronist-20241121230000-ColinFine-20241121214700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anachronist-20241121230000-ColinFine-20241121214700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anachronist-20241121230000-ColinFine-20241121214700"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hoary-20241122003000-Anachronist-20241121230000"></span>Anachronist</a>, <i>high-concept</i> is a well-established term. It has been used, fairly conspicuously, for three decades; see <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/high_concept" class="extiw" title="wikt:high concept">wikt:high concept</a>. Generally used for movies that can be described simply and stunningly. (These movies are rarely much good.) Examples: <i>Twins</i> ("Schwarzenegger and DeVito are twins; can you believe it?"); <i>Junior</i> ("Schwarzenegger is pregnant; can you believe it?"); numerous other movies that hardly deserve to be remembered. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) 00:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC) <small>So yes, there's promotional puffery aplenty in the draft; but within all that, "the potential of AI filmmaking to make high-concept visual storytelling accessible even on smaller budgets" (meaning "how AI could enable movies as dumb as Hollywood's to be made for less money") is refreshingly contrarian. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Hoary" title="User:Hoary">Hoary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hoary" title="User talk:Hoary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Hoary-20241122003000-Anachronist-20241121230000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hoary-20241122003000-Anachronist-20241121230000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hoary-20241122003000-Anachronist-20241121230000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maproom-20241122094200-Hoary-20241122003000"></span>As "high-concept" has a meaning which will be unexpected for many readers, it should be wikilinked to an explanation: <a href="/wiki/High-concept" class="mw-redirect" title="High-concept">high-concept</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Maproom" title="User:Maproom">Maproom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maproom" title="User talk:Maproom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Maproom-20241122094200-Hoary-20241122003000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maproom-20241122094200-Hoary-20241122003000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maproom-20241122094200-Hoary-20241122003000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anachronist-20241122173300-Maproom-20241122094200"></span>The Wiktionary definition confirms my previous assertion that it's a meaningless term that adds no value in an article. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Anachronist" title="User:Anachronist">Anachronist</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anachronist" title="User talk:Anachronist">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Anachronist-20241122173300-Maproom-20241122094200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anachronist-20241122173300-Maproom-20241122094200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anachronist-20241122173300-Maproom-20241122094200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JRubinFilm-20241122102800-Anachronist-20241121230000"></span>thank you! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JRubinFilm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JRubinFilm (page does not exist)">JRubinFilm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JRubinFilm" title="User talk:JRubinFilm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-JRubinFilm-20241122102800-Anachronist-20241121230000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JRubinFilm-20241122102800-Anachronist-20241121230000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JRubinFilm-20241122102800-Anachronist-20241121230000"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JRubinFilm-20241122102800-ColinFine-20241121214700"></span>thank you! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JRubinFilm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JRubinFilm (page does not exist)">JRubinFilm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JRubinFilm" title="User talk:JRubinFilm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-JRubinFilm-20241122102800-ColinFine-20241121214700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JRubinFilm-20241122102800-ColinFine-20241121214700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JRubinFilm-20241122102800-ColinFine-20241121214700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_about_two_Wikipedia_pages_for_a_single_newspaper_title,_please" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_two_Wikipedia_pages_for_a_single_newspaper_title,_please-20241122054800"><span id="Question_about_two_Wikipedia_pages_for_a_single_newspaper_title.2C_please"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_two_Wikipedia_pages_for_a_single_newspaper_title,_please-20241122054800"></span>Question about two Wikipedia pages for a single newspaper title, please<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_two_Wikipedia_pages_for_a_single_newspaper_title,_please-20241122054800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Question about two Wikipedia pages for a single newspaper title, please"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SunnyBoi-20241122054800-Question_about_two_Wikipedia_pages_for_a_single_newspaper_title,_please"></span>Hello Teahouse, </p><p>A friend recently found that there are two pages for the newspaper, The Argus. I have included bare links as I believe there is a redirect in place at some level, glad to hear your advice or if one could be nominated for speedy deletion? </p> <ul><li>The Argus (Australia) Wikilink: <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Argus_(Australia)" class="extiw" title="simple:The Argus (Australia)">simple:The Argus (Australia)</a> Bare URL:<a class="external free" href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Argus_(Australia)">https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Argus_(Australia)</a></li></ul> <ul><li>The Argus (Melbourne) Wikilink: <a href="/wiki/The_Argus_(Melbourne)" title="The Argus (Melbourne)">The Argus (Melbourne)</a> Bare URL: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Argus_(Melbourne)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Argus_(Melbourne)</a></li></ul> <p>I note that <a href="/wiki/Argus" class="mw-disambig" title="Argus">the dab</a> lists only the Melbourne page. </p><p>Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:SunnyBoi" title="User:SunnyBoi">SunnyBoi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SunnyBoi" title="User talk:SunnyBoi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-SunnyBoi-20241122054800-Question_about_two_Wikipedia_pages_for_a_single_newspaper_title,_please" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SunnyBoi-20241122054800-Question_about_two_Wikipedia_pages_for_a_single_newspaper_title,_please"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SunnyBoi-20241122054800-Question_about_two_Wikipedia_pages_for_a_single_newspaper_title,_please"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CiaPan-20241122071400-SunnyBoi-20241122054800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:SunnyBoi" title="User:SunnyBoi">SunnyBoi</a>:</span> Thank you for the comment. I've added full links to your question. If you look carefully at them you can see they differ in the first part of the URL: one article is at <b>en</b>.wikipedia.org, the other one at <b>simple</b>.wikipedia.org. They are two different and separate Wikipedias, in English and in Simple English, and each of them has its own article about the same subject. Nothing to fix here, or to worry about. --<a href="/wiki/User:CiaPan" title="User:CiaPan">CiaPan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CiaPan" title="User talk:CiaPan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CiaPan-20241122071400-SunnyBoi-20241122054800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:14, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CiaPan-20241122071400-SunnyBoi-20241122054800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CiaPan-20241122071400-SunnyBoi-20241122054800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CiaPan-20241122071800-SunnyBoi-20241122054800"></span>P.S. Additionally, both articles display links to corresponding articles in other languages, and if you visit them you can find out they both link to one another (as well as to three other versions). --<a href="/wiki/User:CiaPan" title="User:CiaPan">CiaPan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CiaPan" title="User talk:CiaPan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CiaPan-20241122071800-SunnyBoi-20241122054800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CiaPan-20241122071800-SunnyBoi-20241122054800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CiaPan-20241122071800-SunnyBoi-20241122054800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_about_WP:TPO" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_WP:TPO-20241122091600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_WP:TPO-20241122091600"></span>Question about WP:TPO<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_WP:TPO-20241122091600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Question about WP:TPO"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Darknipples-20241122091600-Question_about_WP:TPO"></span>The is about a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CTOP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CTOP">WP:CTOP</a> article and I am not here to gather support or violate <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CANVAS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CANVAS">WP:CANVAS</a>. Any commenters should avoid involving themselves in the discussion unless they are acting in an impartial administrative capacity. </p><p>I did try pinging an admin over this concern a few days ago and there's been no response. I am simply looking for some clarification on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TPO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TPO">WP:TPO</a> in context to a recent concern of mine. </p><p>After two months of trying to resolve a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MOS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MOS">WP:MOS</a> dispute over the <b>lead sentence</b>, which included going through a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOVN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOVN">WP:NPOVN</a>, then on to two failed <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RMs</a>. Recently, I decided to create a pre-<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFC">WP:RFC</a> discussion on the article talk page in effort to resolve the dispute. </p><p>During the pre-RfC discussion, one of the other editors suggested a rework of the entire <b>lead paragraph</b>, which IMO, took focus off of resolving the original MOS dispute over the lead sentence, and possibly introduced new MOS issues IMO. </p><p>To be clear, I have no issue with <i>discussion</i> over the other editor's suggestion, and I explained why it was only off-topic in the context of resolving the this particular MOS dispute over the <b>lead sentence</b> which is about to go to an RfC due to continued dispute. </p><p><b>TLDR</b> </p><p>After I created a pre-RfC discussion poll over a 2 month long MOS dispute, the editor that initially began the original MOS dispute over the <b>lead sentence</b> with me, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AGun_show_loophole&diff=1258175716&oldid=1258168191">changed my poll</a> to include another editor's suggestion to rework the <b>lead paragraph</b> in addition to introducing a new issue carried over from their previous failed <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM</a> attempts. </p><p>I'm concerned this is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TPO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TPO">WP:TPO</a> violation since it altered my words and turned the intended focus away from resolving the original dispute. </p><p>Cheers. <a href="/wiki/User:Darknipples" title="User:Darknipples">DN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darknipples" title="User talk:Darknipples">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Darknipples-20241122091600-Question_about_WP:TPO" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darknipples-20241122091600-Question_about_WP:TPO"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darknipples-20241122091600-Question_about_WP:TPO"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241122104400-Darknipples-20241122091600"></span>The Teahouse is more geared towards helping new or inexperienced users(you have over 7000 edits). I'd suggest asking this at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HD">more general help desk</a> or even at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">WP:AN</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241122104400-Darknipples-20241122091600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241122104400-Darknipples-20241122091600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241122104400-Darknipples-20241122091600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Darknipples-20241122120100-331dot-20241122104400"></span>Thanks for the suggestions, but even with my experience I don't presume to have the authority on determining whether TPO has been breached in this case. I prefer to let admins make that kind of call. <a href="/wiki/User:Darknipples" title="User:Darknipples">DN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darknipples" title="User talk:Darknipples">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Darknipples-20241122120100-331dot-20241122104400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darknipples-20241122120100-331dot-20241122104400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darknipples-20241122120100-331dot-20241122104400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tenryuu-20241122123900-Darknipples-20241122120100"></span>If you're looking for admins to determine whether TPO was breached, you're going to want to go to one of the administrator noticeboards; Teahouse hosts aren't necessarily admins. —<a href="/wiki/User:Tenryuu" title="User:Tenryuu"><span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu 🐲</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tenryuu" title="User talk:Tenryuu">💬</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tenryuu" title="Special:Contributions/Tenryuu">📝</a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tenryuu-20241122123900-Darknipples-20241122120100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tenryuu-20241122123900-Darknipples-20241122120100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tenryuu-20241122123900-Darknipples-20241122120100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241122104800-Question_about_WP:TPO"></span>I am guessing that this is about activity at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Gun_show_loophole" title="Talk:Gun show loophole">Talk:Gun show loophole</a> and I agree that Teahouse is not the place. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241122104800-Question_about_WP:TPO" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241122104800-Question_about_WP:TPO"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241122104800-Question_about_WP:TPO"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Darknipples-20241122120600-David_notMD-20241122104800"></span>I thought I was fairly clear that this is a question about WP:TPO. Does it matter which article it is in context to? <a href="/wiki/User:Darknipples" title="User:Darknipples">DN</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Darknipples" title="User talk:Darknipples">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Darknipples-20241122120600-David_notMD-20241122104800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Darknipples-20241122120600-David_notMD-20241122104800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Darknipples-20241122120600-David_notMD-20241122104800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Regarding_A_Page_on_Wikipedia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Regarding_A_Page_on_Wikipedia-20241122114600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Regarding_A_Page_on_Wikipedia-20241122114600"></span>Regarding A Page on Wikipedia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Regarding_A_Page_on_Wikipedia-20241122114600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Regarding A Page on Wikipedia"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VeritasVanguard-20241122114600-Regarding_A_Page_on_Wikipedia"></span>Hi! Can someone take a look at the <a href="/wiki/Council_of_Khalistan" title="Council of Khalistan">Council of Khalistan</a> page? I’ve got some concerns about the way certain things are worded. For example, the phrase <i>"elected at a large and stormy meeting"</i> feels a bit dramatic or subjective. Couldn’t it just say something like <i>"elected at a large meeting with debates"</i> unless there’s a source that specifically calls it "stormy"? </p><p>There are other parts too, like <i>"furious meetings and enquiries"</i> or <i>"a major diplomatic row erupted."</i>They sound more like storytelling than a neutral, factual account. Also, the part about raising £100,000 says it was a <i>"generous response,"</i> </p><p>I feel like the article could use a review to make sure the tone is neutral and everything is backed up by sources. What do you think? <a href="/wiki/User:VeritasVanguard" title="User:VeritasVanguard">VeritasVanguard</a> <i>"Seeking truth in every edit"</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-VeritasVanguard-20241122114600-Regarding_A_Page_on_Wikipedia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VeritasVanguard-20241122114600-Regarding_A_Page_on_Wikipedia"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VeritasVanguard-20241122114600-Regarding_A_Page_on_Wikipedia"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-VeritasVanguard-20241122114800-VeritasVanguard-20241122114600"></span>Can they add status as 'Government-in-exile' for a Government that did not even exist? <a href="/wiki/User:VeritasVanguard" title="User:VeritasVanguard">VeritasVanguard</a> <i>"Seeking truth in every edit"</i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-VeritasVanguard-20241122114800-VeritasVanguard-20241122114600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-VeritasVanguard-20241122114800-VeritasVanguard-20241122114600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-VeritasVanguard-20241122114800-VeritasVanguard-20241122114600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241122122900-VeritasVanguard-20241122114600"></span>Looking at the source, the word stormy isn't mentioned and it seems this isn't neutral. I have changed it to "was elected at a large meeting of several thousand" . As per your second suggestion, I have hence changed it to amid meetings and enquiries. Do you have any suggestions for "a major diplomatic row erupted."? Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:Cooldudeseven7" title="User:Cooldudeseven7"><span style="color:green">Cooldudeseven7</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cooldudeseven7" title="User talk:Cooldudeseven7"><sub>join in on the tea talk</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cooldudeseven7-20241122122900-VeritasVanguard-20241122114600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241122122900-VeritasVanguard-20241122114600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cooldudeseven7-20241122122900-VeritasVanguard-20241122114600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Do_all_roads_still_lead_to_Rome?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Do_all_roads_still_lead_to_Rome?-20241122130400"><span id="Do_all_roads_still_lead_to_Rome.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Do_all_roads_still_lead_to_Rome?-20241122130400"></span>Do all roads still lead to Rome?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Do_all_roads_still_lead_to_Rome?-20241122130400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: Do all roads still lead to Rome?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122130400-Do_all_roads_still_lead_to_Rome?"></span>The saying goes that "All roads lead to Rome", so do you think it would be possible to reach the article for the <a href="/wiki/Rome" title="Rome">city of Rome</a> and/or the <a href="/wiki/Roman_Empire" title="Roman Empire">Roman Empire</a> from any article on the site only using inline links and the See Also tab? I know it's a dumb question but it is one that has been nagging me for a week now. The way to do it is simple since you just need to get to the article for any Mediterranean country and use the History sections from there, but I wonder if it is really possible to "visit" Rome from anywhere on the site. <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">Yap Central Station</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing">Crimes I am responsible for</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122130400-Do_all_roads_still_lead_to_Rome?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122130400-Do_all_roads_still_lead_to_Rome?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122130400-Do_all_roads_still_lead_to_Rome?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Walled_garden" title="Wikipedia:Walled garden"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241122132100-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122130400"></span>No</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241122132100-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122130400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241122132100-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122130400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241122132100-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122130400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122132200-Rotideypoc41352-20241122132100"></span>Sooooo is that something I can fix? Like, if I come across a walled garden, should I add some inline links to other topics? <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">Yap Central Station</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing">Crimes I am responsible for</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122132200-Rotideypoc41352-20241122132100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122132200-Rotideypoc41352-20241122132100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122132200-Rotideypoc41352-20241122132100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241122134300-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122132200"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">User:ApteryxRainWing</a>, you may be interested in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Getting_to_Philosophy" title="Wikipedia:Getting to Philosophy">Wikipedia:Getting_to_Philosophy</a> which is a similar proposition. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Qcne-20241122134300-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122132200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241122134300-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122132200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241122134300-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122132200"></span></dd> <dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241122135500-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122132200"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" title="Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a>)</small> Yes, that is something you can fix, but not by adding inline links to other topics. You would find an article about another topic and add links <i>to</i> the walled garden or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Orphan" title="Wikipedia:Orphan">orphan</a>.</dd> <dd>Making incoming links is an important part that new editors (in their enthusiasm to create a new article) tend to forget. After all, part of what differentiates Wikipedia from traditional paper encyclopedias is that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Build_the_web" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Build the web">we can hyperlink</a>. For example, if I wanted to make an article about the film <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=Miracle_Fishing&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Miracle Fishing (page does not exist)">Miracle Fishing</a></i>, I would go an add <code>[[Miracle Fishing]]</code> <i>in</i> existing articles first. Since the article doesn't exist yet, it will show up as a redlink instead of a normal blue one...<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REDYES" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REDYES">which is allowed</a>. Then, when I finish writing the article on the film, it will already have links coming <i>into</i> the new article. Neat, right?</dd> <dd>That's also why, like with existing pages, you can view incoming links to nonexistent pages. Going back to the example, <a href="/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Miracle_Fishing" title="Special:WhatLinksHere/Miracle Fishing">Special:WhatLinksHere/Miracle Fishing</a> does show several incoming links. <a href="/wiki/User:Rotideypoc41352" title="User:Rotideypoc41352">Rotideypoc41352</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rotideypoc41352" title="User talk:Rotideypoc41352">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352" title="Special:Contributions/Rotideypoc41352">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Rotideypoc41352-20241122135500-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122132200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241122135500-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122132200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rotideypoc41352-20241122135500-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122132200"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-20241122143400-Rotideypoc41352-20241122135500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a>:</span> See also <a href="/wiki/Special:DeadendPages" title="Special:DeadendPages">Special:DeadendPages</a>. It was last updated 9 November and is probably monitored by some users so they may all have links now but there may be undetected dead ends elsewhere until the next update. <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PrimeHunter-20241122143400-Rotideypoc41352-20241122135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-20241122143400-Rotideypoc41352-20241122135500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-20241122143400-Rotideypoc41352-20241122135500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mathglot-20241123123400-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122130400"></span>User:ApteryxRainWing</a>, see <a href="/wiki/Wikiracing" title="Wikiracing">Wikiracing</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Mathglot" title="User:Mathglot">Mathglot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mathglot" title="User talk:Mathglot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Mathglot-20241123123400-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122130400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:34, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mathglot-20241123123400-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122130400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mathglot-20241123123400-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122130400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Infobox_fix_Proposal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Infobox_fix_Proposal-20241122153900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Infobox_fix_Proposal-20241122153900"></span>Infobox fix Proposal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Infobox_fix_Proposal-20241122153900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: Infobox fix Proposal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MalborkHistorian-20241122153900-Infobox_fix_Proposal"></span>Evening Im currently having an issue with editing an info box while making this article -> <a href="/wiki/User:MalborkHistorian/sandbox" title="User:MalborkHistorian/sandbox">User:MalborkHistorian/sandbox</a> </p><p><br/> As you can see in the article the infobox lies on the bottom right part of the article but i want it to be on the top right part in the article does anyone know how to fix this problem? <a href="/wiki/User:MalborkHistorian" title="User:MalborkHistorian">MalborkHistorian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MalborkHistorian" title="User talk:MalborkHistorian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-MalborkHistorian-20241122153900-Infobox_fix_Proposal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MalborkHistorian-20241122153900-Infobox_fix_Proposal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MalborkHistorian-20241122153900-Infobox_fix_Proposal"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PrimeHunter-20241122160500-MalborkHistorian-20241122153900"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:MalborkHistorian" title="User:MalborkHistorian">MalborkHistorian</a>. I have added <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_weather_event/Footer" title="Template:Infobox weather event/Footer">Infobox weather event/Footer</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to close the infobox correctly.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:MalborkHistorian/sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=1258960407">[5]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:PrimeHunter" title="User:PrimeHunter">PrimeHunter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PrimeHunter" title="User talk:PrimeHunter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-PrimeHunter-20241122160500-MalborkHistorian-20241122153900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PrimeHunter-20241122160500-MalborkHistorian-20241122153900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PrimeHunter-20241122160500-MalborkHistorian-20241122153900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="species_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-species_pages-20241122160800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-species_pages-20241122160800"></span>species pages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-species_pages-20241122160800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: species pages"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122160800-species_pages"></span>When are animal species considered notable, and when are they not considered notable? For example, there are thousands of insect species that have 'red' links--are they all deserving of their own species, even if they are rare species only ever mentioned when they were first described in the scientific literature? What if despite being poorly described in the literature, there are photos of them on social media? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mydas_ruficornis&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mydas ruficornis (page does not exist)">Mydas ruficornis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mydas_ruficornis" title="User talk:Mydas ruficornis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122160800-species_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122160800-species_pages"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122160800-species_pages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122160800-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122160800"></span>I meant to write, are they all deserving of their own species **page** on wikipedia? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mydas_ruficornis&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mydas ruficornis (page does not exist)">Mydas ruficornis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mydas_ruficornis" title="User talk:Mydas ruficornis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122160800-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122160800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122160800-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122160800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122160800-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122160800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Industrial_Insect-20241122162000-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122160800"></span>Maybe <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(species)" title="Wikipedia:Notability (species)">WP:SPECIES</a> could help? It explains the notability guideline for species, which is what it seems you are looking for. <span style="font-family: times new roman;"><a href="/wiki/User:Industrial_Insect" title="User:Industrial Insect">Industrial Insect</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Industrial_Insect" title="User talk:Industrial Insect">(talk)</a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Industrial_Insect-20241122162000-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122160800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Industrial_Insect-20241122162000-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122160800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Industrial_Insect-20241122162000-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122160800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122164700-Industrial_Insect-20241122162000"></span>Thank you, that's just what I was looking for. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mydas_ruficornis&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mydas ruficornis (page does not exist)">Mydas ruficornis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mydas_ruficornis" title="User talk:Mydas ruficornis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122164700-Industrial_Insect-20241122162000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122164700-Industrial_Insect-20241122162000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mydas_ruficornis-20241122164700-Industrial_Insect-20241122162000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="editing" data-mw-thread-id="h-editing-20241122165500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-editing-20241122165500"></span>editing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-editing-20241122165500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: editing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cecil2wz-20241122165500-editing"></span>Im new to this. Where do i go on a page to edit. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Cecil2wz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Cecil2wz (page does not exist)">Cecil2wz</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cecil2wz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Cecil2wz (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cecil2wz-20241122165500-editing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cecil2wz-20241122165500-editing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cecil2wz-20241122165500-editing"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241122171000-Cecil2wz-20241122165500"></span>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Cecil2wz&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Cecil2wz (page does not exist)">Cecil2wz</a>, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.</dd> <dd>The answer depends a bit on what kind of device you are using; but I think you'll find <a href="/wiki/Help:Introduction" title="Help:Introduction">Help:Introduction</a> useful. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241122171000-Cecil2wz-20241122165500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241122171000-Cecil2wz-20241122165500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241122171000-Cecil2wz-20241122165500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241122171400-Cecil2wz-20241122165500"></span>Further - I notice you did edit an article, back in March 2023 (though the information you added was not cited to a published source). <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241122171400-Cecil2wz-20241122165500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241122171400-Cecil2wz-20241122165500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241122171400-Cecil2wz-20241122165500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241123000000-ColinFine-20241122171400"></span>Section titles have "Edit", which opens that section to editing. If you want to edit the Lead, the top menu bar has "Edit" <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241123000000-ColinFine-20241122171400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241123000000-ColinFine-20241122171400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241123000000-ColinFine-20241122171400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="user_not_responding_to_talk_page." data-mw-thread-id="h-user_not_responding_to_talk_page.-20241122174700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-user_not_responding_to_talk_page.-20241122174700"></span>user not responding to talk page.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-user_not_responding_to_talk_page.-20241122174700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: user not responding to talk page."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AssanEcho-20241122174700-user_not_responding_to_talk_page."></span>I've had (from what I can gather) a respected user revert 3 edits I was pretty proud of and saw no issue with and they also provided no explanation of why in their edit summarisation. This user reverted more edits of mine than those three but I honestly was just following <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLD</a> and in hindsight they sucked. But with those 3 I left a post asking for clarification on their reasons on their talk page but they just haven't responded but have replied to newer messages. </p><p>What do I do when the user just doesn't respond? I can't just make the same post again because I'm fairly sure that's against the rules and it's a bit childish, and I don't want to just make the edits again with talking with them. <a href="/wiki/User:AssanEcho" title="User:AssanEcho">AssanEcho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AssanEcho" title="User talk:AssanEcho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AssanEcho-20241122174700-user_not_responding_to_talk_page." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AssanEcho-20241122174700-user_not_responding_to_talk_page."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AssanEcho-20241122174700-user_not_responding_to_talk_page."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20241122185600-AssanEcho-20241122174700"></span>Sorry about this, I'm scatterbrained and reply out of order sometimes. I'll reply right now. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Remsense-20241122185600-AssanEcho-20241122174700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20241122185600-AssanEcho-20241122174700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20241122185600-AssanEcho-20241122174700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AssanEcho-20241122203800-Remsense-20241122185600"></span>It's perfectly fine! While i was reffering to you I was also thinking about a prior issue I had with the <a href="/wiki/History_of_Jews_in_Somalia" class="mw-redirect" title="History of Jews in Somalia">History of Jews in Somalia</a> page where I noticed numerous issues with the article and I deleted a source which I saw as irrelevant and didn't even pass verification. I tried contacting who I thought was the author of the article and they also never replied while still about a month later did more editing on other articles and even archived their talk page. I was bewildered then but didn't know about the teahouse so just thought it'd be best if I asked again in like 3 months or so. <a href="/wiki/User:AssanEcho" title="User:AssanEcho">AssanEcho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AssanEcho" title="User talk:AssanEcho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AssanEcho-20241122203800-Remsense-20241122185600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AssanEcho-20241122203800-Remsense-20241122185600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AssanEcho-20241122203800-Remsense-20241122185600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241122205100-AssanEcho-20241122203800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:AssanEcho" title="User:AssanEcho">AssanEcho</a> An alternative approach to asking someone about a revert on <i>their talk page</i> is to ask the question instead <i>on the article's talk page</i>, with a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PING">WP:PING</a> to alert the editor who reverted you. That way others interested in the article can comment and maybe guide you both towards a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENSUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONSENSUS">consensus</a>. It also has the advantage of keeping the discussion alongside the article so that it can be seen later. User talk pages will be much less visible long-term. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User:Michael D. Turnbull">Mike Turnbull</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_D._Turnbull" title="User talk:Michael D. Turnbull">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241122205100-AssanEcho-20241122203800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241122205100-AssanEcho-20241122203800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241122205100-AssanEcho-20241122203800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AssanEcho-20241122210100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241122205100"></span>I considered that but decided that it's be better to ask directly as it was multiple small edits over several articles, and making a whole talk page article on someone deciding to revert 2 hyperlinks seemed overkill. I have gone to the article's talk page before immediately following a disagreement. Thanks either way, it's a great reminder! <a href="/wiki/User:AssanEcho" title="User:AssanEcho">AssanEcho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AssanEcho" title="User talk:AssanEcho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-AssanEcho-20241122210100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241122205100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AssanEcho-20241122210100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241122205100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AssanEcho-20241122210100-Michael_D._Turnbull-20241122205100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_Page" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_Page-20241122180800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_Page-20241122180800"></span>User Page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_Page-20241122180800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: User Page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122180800-User_Page"></span>I figured out how to make a user page and I am wondering if I went overboard with the writing and userboxes. Did I try too hard, or is it okay? I've seen other pages with similar levels of detail, and I am aware my userbox formatting is broken right now but otherwise, I am done editing and adding to it. <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">Roar at me</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing">My contributions</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122180800-User_Page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122180800-User_Page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122180800-User_Page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Matrix-20241122183900-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122180800"></span>It's fine tbh, just know that anything you post on your userpage can be accessed by others and could potentially be used to doxx you. I wouldn't say this is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:U5" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:U5">U5</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTWEBHOST" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTWEBHOST">example of Wikipedia misuse as webhost</a> either. —<b><a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">Matrix</a>(!)</b> <sub>ping one</sub><sup>when replying</sup> {<i><a href="/wiki/User:Matrix" title="User:Matrix">u</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matrix" title="User talk:Matrix">t?</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Matrix" title="Special:Contributions/Matrix"><sub><small><s>useless</s></small></sub>c</a></i>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Matrix-20241122183900-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122180800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Matrix-20241122183900-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122180800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Matrix-20241122183900-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122180800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheWikiToby-20241122184400-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122180800"></span>Policy wise, just make sure you don't get overboard into stuff that has nothing to do with Wikipedia, but it seems fine. Personally, I like user pages like yours. It has personality and it's fun to read. <a href="/wiki/User:TheWikiToby" title="User:TheWikiToby">TheWikiToby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheWikiToby" title="User talk:TheWikiToby">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TheWikiToby-20241122184400-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122180800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheWikiToby-20241122184400-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122180800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheWikiToby-20241122184400-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122180800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Something_I_think_deserves_a_page._._." data-mw-thread-id="h-Something_I_think_deserves_a_page._._.-20241122191100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Something_I_think_deserves_a_page._._.-20241122191100"></span>Something I think deserves a page. . .<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Something_I_think_deserves_a_page._._.-20241122191100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=44" title="Edit section: Something I think deserves a page. . ."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122191100-Something_I_think_deserves_a_page._._."></span>There's a fantastic little game called <i>Smile For Me</i>, developed by <i>LimboLane</i>. I bet you're wondering "Hey, if you want this to have a page so badly, why not do it yourself!?" I gladly would, but I am severely inexperienced. As you may not know, I have only been on Wikipedia as an editor for less than a week. I just wanted to bring this fantastic little game to light and hope some people agree with me. Thanks, Wikipedians! <a href="/wiki/User:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User:Shovel Shenanigans">Shovel Shenanigans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User talk:Shovel Shenanigans">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122191100-Something_I_think_deserves_a_page._._." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122191100-Something_I_think_deserves_a_page._._."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122191100-Something_I_think_deserves_a_page._._."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122191400-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122191100"></span>I had a similar situation with the game Redout 2. If there aren't any major publications like IGN or Kotaku running multiple articles on it, then any article made about your game will get nuked when it's checked for notability. <a href="/wiki/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="User:ApteryxRainWing">ApteryxRainWing</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ApteryxRainWing" title="User talk:ApteryxRainWing">Roar at me</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing" title="Special:Contributions/User:ApteryxRainWing">My contributions</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122191400-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122191100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122191400-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122191100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122191400-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122191100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122214800-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122191400"></span>Looking at the search results, there are articles about it on both of those sites, as well as Metacritic. So there's hope! <a href="/wiki/User:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User:Shovel Shenanigans">Shovel Shenanigans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User talk:Shovel Shenanigans">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122214800-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122191400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122214800-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122191400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122214800-User:ApteryxRainWing-20241122191400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GracenC-20241123205900-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122214800"></span>I have no experience with using this tool myself, but you can check out <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AfC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AfC">WP:AfC</a> and see if they have any resources to help you develop this article. Don't be afraid to contribute, people are very willing to help! <a href="/wiki/User:GracenC" title="User:GracenC">/home/gracen/</a> (yell at me <a href="/wiki/User_talk:GracenC" title="User talk:GracenC">here</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GracenC-20241123205900-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122214800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GracenC-20241123205900-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122214800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GracenC-20241123205900-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241122214800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123214700-GracenC-20241123205900"></span>That definitely helps. I'll probably get around to it eventually when I have more experience :) <a href="/wiki/User:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User:Shovel Shenanigans">Shovel Shenanigans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User talk:Shovel Shenanigans">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123214700-GracenC-20241123205900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123214700-GracenC-20241123205900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123214700-GracenC-20241123205900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="MA_dissertation" data-mw-thread-id="h-MA_dissertation-20241122204200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-MA_dissertation-20241122204200"></span>MA dissertation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-MA_dissertation-20241122204200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: MA dissertation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Atlantic306-20241122204200-MA_dissertation"></span>Hi, is an MA dissertation with a professor advisor a reliable source ? One is being referenced at <a href="/wiki/Nosso_Senhor_dos_Passos_Chapel" title="Nosso Senhor dos Passos Chapel">Nosso Senhor dos Passos Chapel</a>, regards <a href="/wiki/User:Atlantic306" title="User:Atlantic306">Atlantic306</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atlantic306" title="User talk:Atlantic306">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Atlantic306-20241122204200-MA_dissertation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Atlantic306-20241122204200-MA_dissertation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Atlantic306-20241122204200-MA_dissertation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Qcne-20241122210000-Atlantic306-20241122204200"></span>Hi @<a href="/wiki/User:Atlantic306" title="User:Atlantic306">Atlantic306</a>, usually no. We require the sources to be <i>published</i>, and MA dissertations are rarely published. Doctorate dissertations <i>are</i> sometimes published, but should be used with care. More info at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DISSERTATION" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DISSERTATION">WP:DISSERTATION</a>. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User:Qcne" title="User:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span></a></b> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Qcne" title="User talk:Qcne"><span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span></a></small></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Qcne-20241122210000-Atlantic306-20241122204200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Qcne-20241122210000-Atlantic306-20241122204200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Qcne-20241122210000-Atlantic306-20241122204200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Atlantic306-20241122210400-Qcne-20241122210000"></span>Thanks for that advice, i'll ask the article editor to find a replacement reference, regards <a href="/wiki/User:Atlantic306" title="User:Atlantic306">Atlantic306</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atlantic306" title="User talk:Atlantic306">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Atlantic306-20241122210400-Qcne-20241122210000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Atlantic306-20241122210400-Qcne-20241122210000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Atlantic306-20241122210400-Qcne-20241122210000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft:John_James_(businessman_and_philanthropist)_Draft_Talk" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft:John_James_(businessman_and_philanthropist)_Draft_Talk-20241122232700"><span id="Draft:John_James_.28businessman_and_philanthropist.29_Draft_Talk"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft:John_James_(businessman_and_philanthropist)_Draft_Talk-20241122232700"></span>Draft:John James (businessman and philanthropist) Draft Talk<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft:John_James_(businessman_and_philanthropist)_Draft_Talk-20241122232700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: Draft:John James (businessman and philanthropist) Draft Talk"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jjarchivist-20241122232700-Draft:John_James_(businessman_and_philanthropist)_Draft_Talk"></span>Could someone please help me as to what I need to do to make this article acceptable? I've had various suggestions which I think I've followed up, but still I'm in limbo waiting to find out what else I need to do. <a href="/wiki/User:Jjarchivist" title="User:Jjarchivist">Jjarchivist</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jjarchivist" title="User talk:Jjarchivist">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jjarchivist-20241122232700-Draft:John_James_(businessman_and_philanthropist)_Draft_Talk" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jjarchivist-20241122232700-Draft:John_James_(businessman_and_philanthropist)_Draft_Talk"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jjarchivist-20241122232700-Draft:John_James_(businessman_and_philanthropist)_Draft_Talk"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheWikipede-20241122234800-Jjarchivist-20241122232700"></span>Hi Jjarchivist. Articles should have <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources" title="Wikipedia:Reliable sources">reliable sources</a> to verify information and to establish notability. If you need more help with your draft, feel free to go to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFC/HD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFC/HD">AFC Help Desk</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:TheWikipede" title="User:TheWikipede"><span style="font-family: monospace; color: blue; text-shadow: 0px 0px 10px lightblue;">TheWikipede</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheWikipede" title="User talk:TheWikipede"><span style="font-family: monospace; color: blue;"><i>talk</i></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TheWikipede-20241122234800-Jjarchivist-20241122232700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheWikipede-20241122234800-Jjarchivist-20241122232700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheWikipede-20241122234800-Jjarchivist-20241122232700"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241123001200-Draft:John_James_(businessman_and_philanthropist)_Draft_Talk"></span>It's at <a href="/wiki/Draft:John_James_(businessman_and_philanthropist)" title="Draft:John James (businessman and philanthropist)">Draft:John James (businessman and philanthropist)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241123001200-Draft:John_James_(businessman_and_philanthropist)_Draft_Talk" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241123001200-Draft:John_James_(businessman_and_philanthropist)_Draft_Talk"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241123001200-Draft:John_James_(businessman_and_philanthropist)_Draft_Talk"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Not_sure_how_to_fix_this" data-mw-thread-id="h-Not_sure_how_to_fix_this-20241122234400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Not_sure_how_to_fix_this-20241122234400"></span>Not sure how to fix this<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Not_sure_how_to_fix_this-20241122234400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: Not sure how to fix this"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external free" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_map_of_the_world_(2009_version).svg"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241122234400-Not_sure_how_to_fix_this"></span>https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_map_of_the_world_(2009_version).svg</a>,the area where angola is supposed to be is vandalized <span style="color: Purple"><a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory">Wrong</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory">Edit</a>!)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-UnsungHistory-20241122234400-Not_sure_how_to_fix_this" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241122234400-Not_sure_how_to_fix_this"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241122234400-Not_sure_how_to_fix_this"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123002200-UnsungHistory-20241122234400"></span>I looked through the history of the image, and I would try to revert it to the version found on 1:00, 6 January 2023.</dd> <dd><a class="external free" href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/3/36/20240728143435%21Flag_map_of_the_world_%282009_version%29.svg">https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/3/36/20240728143435%21Flag_map_of_the_world_%282009_version%29.svg</a></dd> <dd>This one has the Angola flag on it. I would do this myself, but the page is semi-protected, and I am afraid I'd mess something up if I tried. <a href="/wiki/User:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User:Shovel Shenanigans">Shovel Shenanigans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User talk:Shovel Shenanigans">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123002200-UnsungHistory-20241122234400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:22, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123002200-UnsungHistory-20241122234400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123002200-UnsungHistory-20241122234400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241123003000-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123002200"></span>Well,in that version you provided Gabon Argentina and Chile are Vandalized, maybe <a class="external text" href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/3/36/20230106010036%21Flag_map_of_the_world_%282009_version%29.svg">this version</a>?,however,I mostly edit wikipedia so I am unfamiliar of how to do things like that on Commons,that is what I am trying to figure out <span style="color: Purple"><a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory">Wrong</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory">Edit</a>!)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-UnsungHistory-20241123003000-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123002200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241123003000-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123002200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241123003000-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123002200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241123101600-UnsungHistory-20241123003000"></span>Hello, @<a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a>. The Teahouse can't really help with Commons problems. I suggest you ask at <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:HD" class="extiw" title="c:COM:HD">c:COM:HD</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241123101600-UnsungHistory-20241123003000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:16, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241123101600-UnsungHistory-20241123003000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241123101600-UnsungHistory-20241123003000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UnsungHistory-20241123153800-ColinFine-20241123101600"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> <span style="color: Purple"><a href="/wiki/User:UnsungHistory" title="User:UnsungHistory">UnsungHistory</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UnsungHistory" title="User talk:UnsungHistory">Wrong</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory" title="Special:Contributions/UnsungHistory">Edit</a>!)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-UnsungHistory-20241123153800-ColinFine-20241123101600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UnsungHistory-20241123153800-ColinFine-20241123101600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UnsungHistory-20241123153800-ColinFine-20241123101600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Raghunandan_Dhubi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Raghunandan_Dhubi-20241123003100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Raghunandan_Dhubi-20241123003100"></span>Raghunandan Dhubi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Raghunandan_Dhubi-20241123003100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: Raghunandan Dhubi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Blackballnz-20241123003100-Raghunandan_Dhubi"></span>Hello - I did my first new article patrol and found this <a href="/w/index.php?title=Raghunandan_Dhubi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Raghunandan Dhubi (page does not exist)">Raghunandan Dhubi</a>. It's already been tagged as having only one source, however, I think the more serious problem is that it gives the person a different name (of a person mentioned in the text box). As I'm still fairly new, I'm not sure what to do about this. Can I assume that this page is actually about Raghunandan Dhubi and not the other person & change it back? <a href="/wiki/User:Blackballnz" title="User:Blackballnz">Blackballnz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Blackballnz" title="User talk:Blackballnz">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Blackballnz-20241123003100-Raghunandan_Dhubi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Blackballnz-20241123003100-Raghunandan_Dhubi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Blackballnz-20241123003100-Raghunandan_Dhubi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123012200-Blackballnz-20241123003100"></span>That is odd, it appears the page was created with this error on it. I think the best course of action is to use the article's talk page to ask the creating user about this discrepancy. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User talk:Just Step Sideways"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123012200-Blackballnz-20241123003100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:22, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123012200-Blackballnz-20241123003100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123012200-Blackballnz-20241123003100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123013000-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123012200"></span>It looks like they just made an exact sopy of <a href="/wiki/Ram_Prasad_Choubey" title="Ram Prasad Choubey">Ram Prasad Choubey</a> and put it up under a different title. I'm going to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRAFT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRAFT">draftify</a> it. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User talk:Just Step Sideways"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123013000-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123012200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123013000-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123012200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123013000-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123012200"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="my_wikipedia_artical" data-mw-thread-id="h-my_wikipedia_artical-20241123004600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-my_wikipedia_artical-20241123004600"></span>my wikipedia artical<span data-mw-comment-end="h-my_wikipedia_artical-20241123004600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: my wikipedia artical"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mobinaa2012-20241123004600-my_wikipedia_artical"></span>why my wikipdia artical had been declined? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mobinaa2012&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mobinaa2012 (page does not exist)">Mobinaa2012</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mobinaa2012" title="User talk:Mobinaa2012">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Mobinaa2012-20241123004600-my_wikipedia_artical" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mobinaa2012-20241123004600-my_wikipedia_artical"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mobinaa2012-20241123004600-my_wikipedia_artical"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123012000-Mobinaa2012-20241123004600"></span>There's a detailed explanation on <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mobinaa2012" title="User talk:Mobinaa2012">your talk page</a> and on the draft itself. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User talk:Just Step Sideways"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123012000-Mobinaa2012-20241123004600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:20, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123012000-Mobinaa2012-20241123004600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123012000-Mobinaa2012-20241123004600"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mobinaa2012&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mobinaa2012 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241123021800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123012000"></span>Mobinaa2012</a>, this seems to be about <a href="/wiki/Draft:Bedford_Park_Public_School" title="Draft:Bedford Park Public School">Draft:Bedford Park Public School</a>. The obvious thing is that the draft is very poorly referenced, which fails the core content policy <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">Verifiability</a>. You have an extraordinary claim <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">The number of main languages other than English is 204</q> but you did not provide an reference for that extraordinary assertion. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You include unreferenced trivia such as <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Two of the first teachers were Mrs. Grant and Miss DeFoot and the head teacher was Mr. Darley. The janitor's salary was $40 per month. The first director of this school was Mr. Lamon.</q> How do you know these things? How can a reader verify their accuracy? Why should these factoids belong in an encyclopedia? I worked as a hospital janitor back in 1973. Should my salary back then go in the encyclopedia? I don't think so. I suggest that you read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RUNOFTHEMILL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RUNOFTHEMILL">WP:RUNOFTHEMILL</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241123021800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123012000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241123021800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123012000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241123021800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123012000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Page_of_painter_Stano_Bubán" data-mw-thread-id="h-Page_of_painter_Stano_Bubán-20241123092300"><span id="Page_of_painter_Stano_Bub.C3.A1n"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Page_of_painter_Stano_Bubán-20241123092300"></span>Page of painter Stano Bubán<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Page_of_painter_Stano_Bubán-20241123092300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: Page of painter Stano Bubán"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jozef_Heriban-20241123092300-Page_of_painter_Stano_Bubán"></span>Dear editors, I would like to ask some questions about page: <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stano_Bub%C3%A1n">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stano_Bub%C3%A1n</a>. How I can generate links to external sources on the Internet in this way?: <sup id="cite_ref-:2_1-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-:2-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> I use the technique of linking to external sources using the icon on the page bar. </p><p>Please, could you send me a link to generate a link using your technique? </p><p>I would also like to ask, why the bar still appears on the page: {{Unreferenced section|date=November 2024}}? When I added additional external sources confirming my published information. </p><p>Many links to the cited opening of exhibitions, that Stano Bubán participated in as an exhibitor, are not on the Internet, so I cannot document all. But I used information about exhibitions from public sources. For example, from the source of the Academy of Fine Arts, Bratislava, Slovakia. This source is official. The website of the Academy of Fine Arts contains only verified information. </p><p>Similarly, the cited study stays do not have Internet links, so they cannot be documented, but Stano Bubán, as a university teacher, had to document all the information I provided on his Webside page and the page of the Academy of Fine Arts, Bratislava, Slovakia. </p><p>I gathered information about his family from communication with him. Such information about his family (name of mother, sisters, daughters etc. is not available on the internet. </p><p>Thank you very much for your help....... <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jozef_Heriban&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jozef Heriban (page does not exist)">Jozef Heriban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jozef_Heriban" title="User talk:Jozef Heriban">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jozef_Heriban-20241123092300-Page_of_painter_Stano_Bubán" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jozef_Heriban-20241123092300-Page_of_painter_Stano_Bubán"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jozef_Heriban-20241123092300-Page_of_painter_Stano_Bubán"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241123093800-Jozef_Heriban-20241123092300"></span>I suppressed the coding displaying the maintenance tag, as placing it here tags this page. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241123093800-Jozef_Heriban-20241123092300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241123093800-Jozef_Heriban-20241123092300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241123093800-Jozef_Heriban-20241123092300"></span></dd> <dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jozef_Heriban&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jozef Heriban (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241123094000-Jozef_Heriban-20241123092300"></span>Jozef Heriban</a> If information is not in a published <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable source</a> that can be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">verified</a>, it cannot be on Wikipedia.</dd> <dd>Since you are in communication with the subject regarding the article about him, you should declare a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI">conflict of interest</a>. Articles are typically written without any involvement from, or even the knowledge of, the subject. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241123094000-Jozef_Heriban-20241123092300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241123094000-Jozef_Heriban-20241123092300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241123094000-Jozef_Heriban-20241123092300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jozef_Heriban-20241123095800-331dot-20241123094000"></span>Thanks for your answer. But I still don't understand, why the bar "This section does not cite any sources" keeps appearing in the sections Selected exhibitions, Study stays, Awards... I added credible links to realized exhibitions and links to clearly credible sources. Please, can you advise me, what else I should do to remove those bars?</dd> <dd>Regarding information about the family. There are many pages on Wikipedia, mainly of actors, directors, designers, artists, which contain information about their family members. I have not noticed anywhere that this information is questioned and is also not supported by external sources. Please, can you explain me, why this information is questioned in my case? Thank you. Greetings... <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jozef_Heriban&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jozef Heriban (page does not exist)">Jozef Heriban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jozef_Heriban" title="User talk:Jozef Heriban">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jozef_Heriban-20241123095800-331dot-20241123094000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jozef_Heriban-20241123095800-331dot-20241123094000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jozef_Heriban-20241123095800-331dot-20241123094000"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jozef_Heriban&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jozef Heriban (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241123101200-Jozef_Heriban-20241123095800"></span>Jozef Heriban</a> It's being questioned because it was pointed out to us. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, we can only address what we know about. It is possible for inappropriate content to get by us, even for years. Inappropriate content existing on one article does not mean that it can exist on another(see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OSE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OSE">other stuff exists</a>). If you know of other articles with improperly sourced information, please point those out so we can take action. We need the help.</dd> <dd>You added some sources, but many are still unsourced. I'm actually skeptical the article should list his entire work history at all- but if its going to, it needs to be sourced. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241123101200-Jozef_Heriban-20241123095800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241123101200-Jozef_Heriban-20241123095800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241123101200-Jozef_Heriban-20241123095800"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241123102600-Jozef_Heriban-20241123095800"></span>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jozef_Heriban&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jozef Heriban (page does not exist)">Jozef Heriban</a>: to reply to your specific question: tags such as <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unsourced_section" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Unsourced section">unsourced section</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> are not automatic: they are applied by an editor, and removed by an editor. Since those sections now have some citations, I have replaced <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unsourced_section" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Unsourced section">unsourced section</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:More_citations_needed_section" title="Template:More citations needed section">more citations needed section</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241123102600-Jozef_Heriban-20241123095800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241123102600-Jozef_Heriban-20241123095800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241123102600-Jozef_Heriban-20241123095800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jozef_Heriban-20241123233000-ColinFine-20241123102600"></span>Dear ColinFine, I would like to ask you for help. I use the icon in the upper left corner of the page to link information and quotes from external websites. For example, I am currently trying to create a page about the academic painter Stano Bubán <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stano_Bub%C3%A1n">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stano_Bub%C3%A1n</a></dd> <dd>Your colleagues keep pointing out to me that I am using the wrong way of linking. I have asked several times in various places intended for discussion of your colleagues to send me a link to generate the correct templates. So far, no one has sent me such a link. My question is: Is there a template generator that I can use when creating pages on Wikipedia to link to external websites? I assume that there certainly is one. Please, could you send me a link to generate the correct templates? Thank you. Have a nice evening. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jozef_Heriban&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jozef Heriban (page does not exist)">Jozef Heriban</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jozef_Heriban" title="User talk:Jozef Heriban">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jozef_Heriban-20241123233000-ColinFine-20241123102600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jozef_Heriban-20241123233000-ColinFine-20241123102600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jozef_Heriban-20241123233000-ColinFine-20241123102600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1232521257">.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk{margin:auto 0;border:1px dashed var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);padding:4px;padding-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-talk-title{font-weight:bold}</style><div class="reflist-talk"> <p class="reflist-talk-title">References</p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239543626">.mw-parser-output .reflist{margin-bottom:0.5em;list-style-type:decimal}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .reflist{font-size:90%}}.mw-parser-output .reflist .references{font-size:100%;margin-bottom:0;list-style-type:inherit}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-2{column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns-3{column-width:25em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns{margin-top:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns ol{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .reflist-columns li{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-alpha{list-style-type:upper-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-upper-roman{list-style-type:upper-roman}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-alpha{list-style-type:lower-alpha}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-greek{list-style-type:lower-greek}.mw-parser-output .reflist-lower-roman{list-style-type:lower-roman}</style><div class="reflist"> <div class="mw-references-wrap"><ol class="references"> <li id="cite_note-:2-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-:2_1-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite class="citation web cs1"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://danubiana.sk/en/vystavy/chodec">"THE WALKER"</a>. <i>Danubiana</i><span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved <span class="nowrap">2024-11-21</span></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=unknown&rft.jtitle=Danubiana&rft.atitle=THE+WALKER&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fdanubiana.sk%2Fen%2Fvystavy%2Fchodec&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia%3ATeahouse" class="Z3988"></span></span> </li> </ol></div></div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re-submitting_an_Article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re-submitting_an_Article-20241123092800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re-submitting_an_Article-20241123092800"></span>Re-submitting an Article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re-submitting_an_Article-20241123092800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: Re-submitting an Article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EditorSenpai-20241123092800-Re-submitting_an_Article"></span>Hi guys, </p><p>I recently submitted an article on the "Worldview International Foundation" which got rejected due to lack of quality references. I have adjusted the article according to my knowledge. </p><p>I was thinking of resubmitting the article but I am not sure if it will be completely scrapped if it gets rejected again. </p><p>I was wondering if another senior editor can see that and let me know if anything is wrong. </p><p>Or whether I should simply re-submit and wait for evaluation? </p><p>Thanks in advance! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:EditorSenpai&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:EditorSenpai (page does not exist)">EditorSenpai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EditorSenpai" title="User talk:EditorSenpai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-EditorSenpai-20241123092800-Re-submitting_an_Article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EditorSenpai-20241123092800-Re-submitting_an_Article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EditorSenpai-20241123092800-Re-submitting_an_Article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-331dot-20241123093700-EditorSenpai-20241123092800"></span>The best way to get feedback is to resubmit the draft. <a href="/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-331dot-20241123093700-EditorSenpai-20241123092800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-331dot-20241123093700-EditorSenpai-20241123092800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-331dot-20241123093700-EditorSenpai-20241123092800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EditorSenpai-20241123205700-331dot-20241123093700"></span>Thank you! I appreciate the comment. I think I will submit the draft and see. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:EditorSenpai&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:EditorSenpai (page does not exist)">EditorSenpai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EditorSenpai" title="User talk:EditorSenpai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-EditorSenpai-20241123205700-331dot-20241123093700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EditorSenpai-20241123205700-331dot-20241123093700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EditorSenpai-20241123205700-331dot-20241123093700"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Remsense-20241123093700-EditorSenpai-20241123092800"></span>The only secondary source I see giving significant coverage of the subject is "Global Issues", which is clearly not reliable. Other sources do not mention the subject or do so briefly. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F"><a href="/wiki/User:Remsense" title="User:Remsense"><span style="color:#fff"><b>Remsense</b></span></a><span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Remsense" title="User talk:Remsense"><span lang="zh" style="color:#fff"><b>论</b></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Remsense-20241123093700-EditorSenpai-20241123092800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Remsense-20241123093700-EditorSenpai-20241123092800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Remsense-20241123093700-EditorSenpai-20241123092800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_notMD-20241123150100-Remsense-20241123093700"></span>FYI - <a href="/wiki/Draft:Worldview_International_Foundation" title="Draft:Worldview International Foundation">Draft:Worldview International Foundation</a> was Declined, which is less severe than Rejected. <a href="/wiki/User:David_notMD" title="User:David notMD">David notMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:David_notMD" title="User talk:David notMD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-David_notMD-20241123150100-Remsense-20241123093700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:01, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_notMD-20241123150100-Remsense-20241123093700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_notMD-20241123150100-Remsense-20241123093700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EditorSenpai-20241123210700-David_notMD-20241123150100"></span>Yes and I have adjusted accordingly.</dd> <dd>I have decided to resubmit the article again and see whether it has merit or further issues to fix.</dd> <dd>It is the first article I am writing on Wikipedia and I really appreciate all the help and guidance! <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:EditorSenpai&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:EditorSenpai (page does not exist)">EditorSenpai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EditorSenpai" title="User talk:EditorSenpai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-EditorSenpai-20241123210700-David_notMD-20241123150100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EditorSenpai-20241123210700-David_notMD-20241123150100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EditorSenpai-20241123210700-David_notMD-20241123150100"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EditorSenpai-20241123210500-Remsense-20241123093700"></span>Thank you for your feedback!</dd> <dd>I do have a genuine concern as the article I am working on is about is a well-established NGO that is working towards mangrove restoration but has rarely been studied within scholarly articles.</dd> <dd>Please let me know if there are any specific recommendations you would suggest for me to overcome this issue. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:EditorSenpai&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:EditorSenpai (page does not exist)">EditorSenpai</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EditorSenpai" title="User talk:EditorSenpai">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-EditorSenpai-20241123210500-Remsense-20241123093700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EditorSenpai-20241123210500-Remsense-20241123093700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EditorSenpai-20241123210500-Remsense-20241123093700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Content_deliverer/s" data-mw-thread-id="h-Content_deliverer/s-20241123111700"><span id="Content_deliverer.2Fs"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Content_deliverer/s-20241123111700"></span>Content deliverer/s<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Content_deliverer/s-20241123111700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: Content deliverer/s"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mcljlm-20241123111700-Content_deliverer/s"></span>When a source's URL is an article at JSTOR uploaded to the Internet Archive should "<a href="/wiki/JSTOR" title="JSTOR">JSTOR</a> via the <a href="/wiki/Internet_Archive" title="Internet Archive">Internet Archive</a>" be in the Content deliverer field (leading to "via <a href="/wiki/JSTOR" title="JSTOR">JSTOR</a> via the <a href="/wiki/Internet_Archive" title="Internet Archive">Internet Archive</a>" in the citation) or would it be better only to enter <a href="/wiki/Internet_Archive" title="Internet Archive">Internet Archive</a> in the field and mention <a href="/wiki/JSTOR" title="JSTOR">JSTOR</a> in a postscript note? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mcljlm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mcljlm (page does not exist)">Mcljlm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mcljlm" title="User talk:Mcljlm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Mcljlm-20241123111700-Content_deliverer/s" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mcljlm-20241123111700-Content_deliverer/s"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mcljlm-20241123111700-Content_deliverer/s"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheWikipede-20241123222400-Mcljlm-20241123111700"></span>Hello Mcljlm. Just mentioning the Internet Archive should be fine. <a href="/wiki/User:TheWikipede" title="User:TheWikipede"><span style="font-family: monospace; color: blue; text-shadow: 0px 0px 10px lightblue;">TheWikipede</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheWikipede" title="User talk:TheWikipede"><span style="font-family: monospace; color: blue;"><i>talk</i></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TheWikipede-20241123222400-Mcljlm-20241123111700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheWikipede-20241123222400-Mcljlm-20241123111700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheWikipede-20241123222400-Mcljlm-20241123111700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reverting_a_long-time_user's_revision" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reverting_a_long-time_user's_revision-20241123135500"><span id="Reverting_a_long-time_user.27s_revision"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reverting_a_long-time_user's_revision-20241123135500"></span>Reverting a long-time user's revision<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reverting_a_long-time_user's_revision-20241123135500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: Reverting a long-time user's revision"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Miserableed-20241123135500-Reverting_a_long-time_user's_revision"></span>Hello, and sorry for taking up your time! I haven't been in Wikipedia for long and my revisions had only been somewhat minor (mostly fixing grammars and deleting words that are inaccurate to the sources). I found that the <a href="/wiki/Majapahit" title="Majapahit">Majapahit</a> article which I had been watching was edited in a way that I believe is mostly damaging by a long-time user. I reverted their revisions but they reverted it back. How should I respond to this? The safest way that I can think of is to edit the current article to be more similar to the previous version, but that will include most things except the infobox. Should I just revert everything again, especially considering that I'm new? And is there a way to prevent said user (and others) from changing the article in a similar manner? Thank you. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Miserableed&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Miserableed (page does not exist)">Miserableed</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Miserableed" title="User talk:Miserableed">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Miserableed-20241123135500-Reverting_a_long-time_user's_revision" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Miserableed-20241123135500-Reverting_a_long-time_user's_revision"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Miserableed-20241123135500-Reverting_a_long-time_user's_revision"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GracenC-20241123205500-Miserableed-20241123135500"></span>I'd recommend reading (or at least skimming) <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:EDITWAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:EDITWAR">WP:EDITWAR</a> before deciding to get into a conflict with a more experienced editor. I'd also recommend asking them why they chose to revert your edits by either starting a new topic on their user talk page, or by mentioning them on the article's talk page (you can do this by linking to their user page). As more general advice (not saying you did this here), don't take it as an attack when someone reverts your edits. It's just them saying that they disagree, and you can always try to convince them otherwise (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GOODFAITH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GOODFAITH">WP:GOODFAITH</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:GracenC" title="User:GracenC">/home/gracen/</a> (yell at me <a href="/wiki/User_talk:GracenC" title="User talk:GracenC">here</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-GracenC-20241123205500-Miserableed-20241123135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GracenC-20241123205500-Miserableed-20241123135500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GracenC-20241123205500-Miserableed-20241123135500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_regarding_info_boxes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_regarding_info_boxes-20241123150000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_regarding_info_boxes-20241123150000"></span>Help regarding info boxes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_regarding_info_boxes-20241123150000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: Help regarding info boxes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-InGoodlyFaith-20241123150000-Help_regarding_info_boxes"></span>Hello Editors!!! </p><p>I'm a newbie who's used just VisualEdit and I can't for the love of my life, figure out how to edit the infoboxes on the right of the page <a href="/wiki/Madavoor,_Kozhikode" title="Madavoor, Kozhikode">like this one</a>. Do I need to learn source editing for that, or is there an easier way? </p><p>If anybody could provide me with a tutorial or a help page about the same, it would be greatly appreciated!!! </p><p>Thanks, </p><p>GoodlyFaith:) <a href="/wiki/User:InGoodlyFaith" title="User:InGoodlyFaith">InGoodlyFaith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:InGoodlyFaith" title="User talk:InGoodlyFaith">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-InGoodlyFaith-20241123150000-Help_regarding_info_boxes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-InGoodlyFaith-20241123150000-Help_regarding_info_boxes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-InGoodlyFaith-20241123150000-Help_regarding_info_boxes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jeraxmoira-20241123175100-InGoodlyFaith-20241123150000"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:InGoodlyFaith" title="User:InGoodlyFaith">InGoodlyFaith</a>, welcome to the Teahouse! In the Visual Editor, when you click on the infobox, a small popup with an "Edit" button will appear, allowing you to edit the infobox template. <a href="/wiki/User:Jeraxmoira" title="User:Jeraxmoira">Jeraxmoira🐉</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jeraxmoira" title="User talk:Jeraxmoira">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Jeraxmoira-20241123175100-InGoodlyFaith-20241123150000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jeraxmoira-20241123175100-InGoodlyFaith-20241123150000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jeraxmoira-20241123175100-InGoodlyFaith-20241123150000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reliable_references" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reliable_references-20241123150800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reliable_references-20241123150800"></span>Reliable references<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reliable_references-20241123150800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: Reliable references"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tompayne36-20241123150800-Reliable_references"></span>Hi, </p><p>My article was rejected due to a lack of reliable references. As my topic is somewhat obscure (a sculpture), the references are equally obscure but I tried hard to find real references. Any thoughts? </p><p><br/> <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Chrinitoid">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Chrinitoid</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tompayne36&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tompayne36 (page does not exist)">Tompayne36</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tompayne36" title="User talk:Tompayne36">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Tompayne36-20241123150800-Reliable_references" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tompayne36-20241123150800-Reliable_references"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tompayne36-20241123150800-Reliable_references"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241123161600-Tompayne36-20241123150800"></span>It's not so much that the references are obscure as much as the references are all closely connected to RIP or Rickey themselves. It seems appropriate where it is in Rickey's article, but I think I'd have to agree that the sourcing isn't sufficient to show the sculpture should have an article of its own. I wonder if you'd find more extensive, independent coverage from the Troy Record or another paper in the Capital District. <a href="/wiki/User:CoffeeCrumbs" title="User:CoffeeCrumbs">CoffeeCrumbs</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CoffeeCrumbs" title="User talk:CoffeeCrumbs">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241123161600-Tompayne36-20241123150800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:16, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241123161600-Tompayne36-20241123150800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CoffeeCrumbs-20241123161600-Tompayne36-20241123150800"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fan_Zhibo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fan_Zhibo-20241123151700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fan_Zhibo-20241123151700"></span>Fan Zhibo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fan_Zhibo-20241123151700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: Fan Zhibo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external free" href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jibo"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TanyaGroot-20241123151700-Fan_Zhibo"></span>https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jibo</a> Hello. Please help me create a Wikipedia page for Fan Zhibo in English. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TanyaGroot&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TanyaGroot (page does not exist)">TanyaGroot</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TanyaGroot&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:TanyaGroot (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-TanyaGroot-20241123151700-Fan_Zhibo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TanyaGroot-20241123151700-Fan_Zhibo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TanyaGroot-20241123151700-Fan_Zhibo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ColinFine-20241123205800-TanyaGroot-20241123151700"></span>Hello, @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TanyaGroot&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TanyaGroot (page does not exist)">TanyaGroot</a>, and welcome to the Teahouse. The Teahouse is not really a place to look for collaborators. Have you read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation" title="Wikipedia:Translation">Translation</a>? <a href="/wiki/User:ColinFine" title="User:ColinFine">ColinFine</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ColinFine" title="User talk:ColinFine">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-ColinFine-20241123205800-TanyaGroot-20241123151700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ColinFine-20241123205800-TanyaGroot-20241123151700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ColinFine-20241123205800-TanyaGroot-20241123151700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User_Page_Question" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_Page_Question-20241123171500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_Page_Question-20241123171500"></span>User Page Question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_Page_Question-20241123171500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: User Page Question"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123171500-User_Page_Question"></span>Hi, I recently made my user page. Right now, it's just a little joke. However, I'd like to know how to edit it a little more in depth. I'm always seeing people put little boxes that say things along the lines of "This user (blank)" "This user believes (blank)" and whatnot. Could someone tell me how to put those? Thanks!! <a href="/wiki/User:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User:Shovel Shenanigans">Shovel Shenanigans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User talk:Shovel Shenanigans">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123171500-User_Page_Question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123171500-User_Page_Question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123171500-User_Page_Question"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-20241123173300-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123171500"></span>Hello, <a href="/wiki/User:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User:Shovel Shenanigans">Shovel Shenanigans</a>. Please read <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Userboxes" title="Wikipedia:Userboxes">Wikipedia:Userboxes</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328">Cullen328</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Cullen328-20241123173300-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123171500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-20241123173300-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123171500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-20241123173300-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123171500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123174200-Cullen328-20241123173300"></span>Great! Thank you :) <a href="/wiki/User:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User:Shovel Shenanigans">Shovel Shenanigans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shovel_Shenanigans" title="User talk:Shovel Shenanigans">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123174200-Cullen328-20241123173300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123174200-Cullen328-20241123173300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shovel_Shenanigans-20241123174200-Cullen328-20241123173300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fonts_and_citations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fonts_and_citations-20241123224600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fonts_and_citations-20241123224600"></span>Fonts and citations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fonts_and_citations-20241123224600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=58" title="Edit section: Fonts and citations"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ol><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Saarabout-20241123224600-Fonts_and_citations"></span>first, is there a settings thing to change the font into something <a href="/wiki/Sans-serif#Geometric" title="Sans-serif">Geometric</a>? because it's easier to read then Arial for me</li> <li>is there a way to hide citations? it was annoying when I first started Wikipedia, I never use them, and it's just annoying when copy-pasting or printing</li></ol> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Saarabout" title="User:Saarabout">Saarabout</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Saarabout" title="User talk:Saarabout">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Saarabout-20241123224600-Fonts_and_citations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Saarabout-20241123224600-Fonts_and_citations"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Saarabout-20241123224600-Fonts_and_citations"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&oldid=1259208716">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&oldid=1259208716</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_Teahouse" title="Category:Wikipedia Teahouse">Wikipedia Teahouse</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_help_forums" title="Category:Wikipedia help forums">Wikipedia help forums</a></li></ul></div><div id="mw-hidden-catlinks" class="mw-hidden-catlinks mw-hidden-cats-hidden">Hidden categories: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Noindexed_pages" title="Category:Noindexed pages">Noindexed pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Non-talk_pages_that_are_automatically_signed" title="Category:Non-talk pages that are automatically signed">Non-talk pages that are automatically signed</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Pages_that_should_not_be_manually_archived" title="Category:Pages that should not be manually archived">Pages that should not be manually archived</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 23 November 2024, at 23:30<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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