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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-01T17:17:00.000Z-The_first_vowel_in_Āsana"></span>Hi, I see you are changing the IPA for many Āsana articles so that the first vowel becomes a front "a" instead of a back "ɑ". </p><p>I just wanted to check this isn't because Americans use front and Brits use back, as I think possible? We Brits do I think use the back vowel for Āsana, in which case all the IPAs were either correct if British English was in use, or inconsistent ... if that's what's happening, I see no reason to Americanise these articles (and if anything, they should be Indianised, whatever that might imply; if all these are different, perhaps the IPA would be best avoided altogether). What's your view on the matter? <a href="/wiki/User:Chiswick_Chap" title="User:Chiswick Chap">Chiswick Chap</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chiswick_Chap" title="User talk:Chiswick Chap">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-01T17:17:00.000Z-The_first_vowel_in_Āsana" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:17, 1 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-01T17:17:00.000Z-The_first_vowel_in_Āsana"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-01T17:17:00.000Z-The_first_vowel_in_Āsana"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-01-01T17:24:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-01T17:17:00.000Z"></span>Right now I'm conforming all Sanskrit IPA transcriptions that link to <a href="/wiki/Help:IPA/Sanskrit" title="Help:IPA/Sanskrit">Help:IPA/Sanskrit</a> to conform to what's at that chart. If you feel like <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">[ɑː]</span> is better than <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">[aː]</span>, the best choice of action would be to discuss the matter at <a href="/wiki/Help_talk:IPA/Sanskrit" title="Help talk:IPA/Sanskrit">Help talk:IPA/Sanskrit</a>.</dd> <dd>If we're talking about the pronunciation of these words in English, we would want to use <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:IPAc-en" title="Template:IPAc-en">IPAc-en</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, which is pretty dialect neutral, though the use of <span class="rt-commentedText nowrap"><span class="IPA nopopups noexcerpt" lang="en-fonipa"><a href="/wiki/Help:IPA/English" title="Help:IPA/English">/<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted"><span title="/ɑː/: 'a' in 'father'">ɑː</span></span>/</a></span></span> vs <span class="rt-commentedText nowrap"><span class="IPA nopopups noexcerpt" lang="en-fonipa"><a href="/wiki/Help:IPA/English" title="Help:IPA/English">/<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted"><span title="/æ/: 'a' in 'bad'">æ</span></span>/</a></span></span> is one of the dialectal differences that we'd need to either provide two transcriptions for or have a really good reason to pick one or the other. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-01-01T17:24:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-01T17:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 1 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-01-01T17:24:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-01T17:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-01-01T17:24:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-01T17:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-01T19:22:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-01-01T17:24:00.000Z"></span>I think I understand what you're saying, but I can't see from <a href="/wiki/Help:IPA/Sanskrit" title="Help:IPA/Sanskrit">Help:IPA/Sanskrit</a> who might be pronouncing the Sanskrit, 2000-year-old priests being in short supply. If you're confident that it's dialect-neutral, that's clearly best. <a href="/wiki/User:Chiswick_Chap" title="User:Chiswick Chap">Chiswick Chap</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chiswick_Chap" title="User talk:Chiswick Chap">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-01T19:22:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-01-01T17:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:22, 1 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-01T19:22:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-01-01T17:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-01T19:22:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-01-01T17:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-01-02T01:13:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-01T19:22:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, if we're talking about Sanskrit pronunciations, then it's only dialect neutral in that it's not English. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-01-02T01:13:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-01T19:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:13, 2 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-01-02T01:13:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-01T19:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-01-02T01:13:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-01T19:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-02T09:39:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-01-02T01:13:00.000Z"></span>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Chiswick_Chap" title="User:Chiswick Chap">Chiswick Chap</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chiswick_Chap" title="User talk:Chiswick Chap">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-02T09:39:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-01-02T01:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:39, 2 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-02T09:39:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-01-02T01:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chiswick_Chap-2019-01-02T09:39:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-01-02T01:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_24" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_24-2019-01-24T09:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_24-2019-01-24T09:23:00.000Z"></span>Disambiguation link notification for January 24<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_24-2019-01-24T09:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Disambiguation link notification for January 24"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DPL_bot-2019-01-24T09:23:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_January_24"></span>Hi. 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Wikipedia is a pain in the ass on mobile, unfortunately. <a href="/wiki/User:Bloodofox" title="User:Bloodofox">:bloodofox:</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bloodofox" title="User talk:Bloodofox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Bloodofox-2019-01-30T16:36:00.000Z-Accidental_Rollback" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 30 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bloodofox-2019-01-30T16:36:00.000Z-Accidental_Rollback"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bloodofox-2019-01-30T16:36:00.000Z-Accidental_Rollback"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-01-30T17:40:00.000Z-Bloodofox-2019-01-30T16:36:00.000Z"></span>No worries. :D — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-01-30T17:40:00.000Z-Bloodofox-2019-01-30T16:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 30 January 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-01-30T17:40:00.000Z-Bloodofox-2019-01-30T16:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-01-30T17:40:00.000Z-Bloodofox-2019-01-30T16:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notice_of_Dispute_resolution_noticeboard_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notice_of_Dispute_resolution_noticeboard_discussion-2019-04-05T11:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notice_of_Dispute_resolution_noticeboard_discussion-2019-04-05T11:17:00.000Z"></span>Notice of Dispute resolution noticeboard discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notice_of_Dispute_resolution_noticeboard_discussion-2019-04-05T11:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Notice of Dispute resolution noticeboard discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bhaskarbhagawati-2019-04-05T11:17:00.000Z-Notice_of_Dispute_resolution_noticeboard_discussion"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Peacedove.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Peacedove.svg/60px-Peacedove.svg.png" decoding="async" width="60" height="61" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Peacedove.svg/90px-Peacedove.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Peacedove.svg/120px-Peacedove.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="714" data-file-height="729"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the <a href="/wiki/Noticeboard" class="mw-redirect" title="Noticeboard">noticeboard</a> regarding whether Kamrupi is a modern speech without history or a old language with literature. 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Thank you! --<a href="/wiki/User:Bhaskarbhagawati" title="User:Bhaskarbhagawati"><span style="color: gold">भास्कर् </span><span style="color: red">Bhagawati</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bhaskarbhagawati" title="User talk:Bhaskarbhagawati"><span style="color:">Speak</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Bhaskarbhagawati-2019-04-05T11:17:00.000Z-Notice_of_Dispute_resolution_noticeboard_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:17, 5 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bhaskarbhagawati-2019-04-05T11:17:00.000Z-Notice_of_Dispute_resolution_noticeboard_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bhaskarbhagawati-2019-04-05T11:17:00.000Z-Notice_of_Dispute_resolution_noticeboard_discussion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_McClenon-2019-05-20T15:27:00.000Z-Bhaskarbhagawati-2019-04-05T11:17:00.000Z"></span>Do you have any better suggestions for how to make progress? <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Robert_McClenon-2019-05-20T15:27:00.000Z-Bhaskarbhagawati-2019-04-05T11:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 20 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_McClenon-2019-05-20T15:27:00.000Z-Bhaskarbhagawati-2019-04-05T11:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_McClenon-2019-05-20T15:27:00.000Z-Bhaskarbhagawati-2019-04-05T11:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-05-20T16:37:00.000Z-Robert_McClenon-2019-05-20T15:27:00.000Z"></span>I like your idea of a topic ban, but I think it would need to be permanent. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-05-20T16:37:00.000Z-Robert_McClenon-2019-05-20T15:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 20 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-05-20T16:37:00.000Z-Robert_McClenon-2019-05-20T15:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-05-20T16:37:00.000Z-Robert_McClenon-2019-05-20T15:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Citations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Citations-2019-04-11T21:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Citations-2019-04-11T21:46:00.000Z"></span>Citations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Citations-2019-04-11T21:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Citations"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sammobee-2019-04-11T21:46:00.000Z-Citations"></span>Thanks for continually fixing my citations! You're awesome :) </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Sammobee&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Sammobee (page does not exist)">Sammobee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sammobee" title="User talk:Sammobee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Sammobee-2019-04-11T21:46:00.000Z-Citations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:46, 11 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sammobee-2019-04-11T21:46:00.000Z-Citations"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sammobee-2019-04-11T21:46:00.000Z-Citations"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-04-12T00:33:00.000Z-Sammobee-2019-04-11T21:46:00.000Z"></span>Absolutely! :) — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-04-12T00:33:00.000Z-Sammobee-2019-04-11T21:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:33, 12 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-04-12T00:33:00.000Z-Sammobee-2019-04-11T21:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-04-12T00:33:00.000Z-Sammobee-2019-04-11T21:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IPA_redirects" data-mw-thread-id="h-IPA_redirects-2019-04-15T04:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IPA_redirects-2019-04-15T04:42:00.000Z"></span>IPA redirects<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IPA_redirects-2019-04-15T04:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: IPA redirects"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nardog-2019-04-15T04:42:00.000Z-IPA_redirects"></span>My main motive for changing the redirects is that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Cross-namespace_redirects" title="Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirects">cross-namespace redirects</a> are discouraged. Plus, those help pages are merely guides on what each symbol in <i>our</i> language-specific IPA notations means that reflect consensus more than reliable sources and don't receive the same scrutiny as the articles. And I see no incoming link to those redirects except from a few old talk pages, so I don't know what you mean by "given what links to these". (I'm also a bit confounded by the fact you reverted the "IPA chart for [language]" redirects and not the "IPA for [language]" ones. Maybe they're just the ones that were on your watchlist?) <a href="/wiki/User:Nardog" title="User:Nardog">Nardog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nardog" title="User talk:Nardog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Nardog-2019-04-15T04:42:00.000Z-IPA_redirects" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:42, 15 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nardog-2019-04-15T04:42:00.000Z-IPA_redirects"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nardog-2019-04-15T04:42:00.000Z-IPA_redirects"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-04-15T16:18:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-04-15T04:42:00.000Z"></span>The ones I reverted were those on my watch page. I didn't dive into your contribs to do additional reverts on the off chance that you'd convince me. I think you have. People looking for the actual IPA charts should be able to find them with the hatnotes at the top of phonology pages. I'll self revert. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-04-15T16:18:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-04-15T04:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 15 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-04-15T16:18:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-04-15T04:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-04-15T16:18:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-04-15T04:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_revert_at_Help:IPA/Polish" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_revert_at_Help:IPA/Polish-2019-04-18T05:58:00.000Z"><span id="Your_revert_at_Help:IPA.2FPolish"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_revert_at_Help:IPA/Polish-2019-04-18T05:58:00.000Z"></span>Your revert at <a href="/wiki/Help:IPA/Polish" title="Help:IPA/Polish">Help:IPA/Polish</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_revert_at_Help:IPA/Polish-2019-04-18T05:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Your revert at Help:IPA/Polish"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lambiam-2019-04-18T05:58:00.000Z-Your_revert_at_Help:IPA/Polish"></span>Can you give a reason for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:IPA/Polish&oldid=prev&diff=892972338">this revert</a>? In general, I think it is polite to at least give a hint of one's rationale in the edit summary when reverting another editor's contributions. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lambiam" title="User talk:Lambiam">Lambiam</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Lambiam-2019-04-18T05:58:00.000Z-Your_revert_at_Help:IPA/Polish" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:58, 18 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lambiam-2019-04-18T05:58:00.000Z-Your_revert_at_Help:IPA/Polish"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lambiam-2019-04-18T05:58:00.000Z-Your_revert_at_Help:IPA/Polish"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-04-18T12:58:00.000Z-Lambiam-2019-04-18T05:58:00.000Z"></span>I thought the rationale would be pretty clear, given that the preceding edit was a request that editors discuss including additional sounds before adding them. If you'd like to include palatalized labials, please discuss it in the talk page first. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-04-18T12:58:00.000Z-Lambiam-2019-04-18T05:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:58, 18 April 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-04-18T12:58:00.000Z-Lambiam-2019-04-18T05:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-04-18T12:58:00.000Z-Lambiam-2019-04-18T05:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help:IPA/Macedonian" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help:IPA/Macedonian-2019-05-15T15:42:00.000Z"><span id="Help:IPA.2FMacedonian"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help:IPA/Macedonian-2019-05-15T15:42:00.000Z"></span>Help:IPA/Macedonian<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help:IPA/Macedonian-2019-05-15T15:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Help:IPA/Macedonian"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nardog-2019-05-15T15:42:00.000Z-Help:IPA/Macedonian"></span>A user recently created <a href="/wiki/Help:IPA/Macedonian" title="Help:IPA/Macedonian">Help:IPA/Macedonian</a>. Do you think this was necessary? If so, you may want to clean up it and <a href="/wiki/Help:IPA/Bulgarian_and_Macedonian" class="mw-disambig" title="Help:IPA/Bulgarian and Macedonian">Help:IPA/Bulgarian and Macedonian</a> (that is, of course, if you're up for it). <a href="/wiki/User:Nardog" title="User:Nardog">Nardog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nardog" title="User talk:Nardog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Nardog-2019-05-15T15:42:00.000Z-Help:IPA/Macedonian" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 15 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nardog-2019-05-15T15:42:00.000Z-Help:IPA/Macedonian"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nardog-2019-05-15T15:42:00.000Z-Help:IPA/Macedonian"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-05-15T16:04:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-05-15T15:42:00.000Z"></span>It seems like it's warranted, since there are over 160 articles using the IPA-mk template. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-05-15T16:04:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-05-15T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 15 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-05-15T16:04:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-05-15T15:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-05-15T16:04:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-05-15T15:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nardog-2019-05-16T00:31:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-05-15T16:04:00.000Z"></span>I don't see how the transclusion count of IPA-mk has any bearing on whether we should have separate guides because the template already linked to <a href="/wiki/Help:IPA/Bulgarian_and_Macedonian" class="mw-disambig" title="Help:IPA/Bulgarian and Macedonian">Help:IPA/Bulgarian and Macedonian</a>, not <a href="/wiki/Help:IPA" title="Help:IPA">Help:IPA</a>, and e.g. IPA-hi being used in a couple hundred articles doesn't warrant a split of the Hindustani guide. But we do have separate phonology articles for Bulgarian and Macedonian after all, so I just completed the split. <a href="/wiki/User:Nardog" title="User:Nardog">Nardog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nardog" title="User talk:Nardog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Nardog-2019-05-16T00:31:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-05-15T16:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:31, 16 May 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nardog-2019-05-16T00:31:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-05-15T16:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nardog-2019-05-16T00:31:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-05-15T16:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r948608796">.mw-parser-output .ivmbox{clear:both;margin:1em 0 0 0;border:1px solid #a2a9b1;background-color:ivory;padding:0.5em;display:flex;align-items:center}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox .mbox-image{border:none;display:table-cell;padding:2px 0 2px 0.5em;text-align:center;vertical-align:middle}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox .mbox-text{border:none;display:table-cell;padding:0.25em 0.5em;width:100%;box-sizing:border-box}</style> <div id="ivmbox-tidy" class="ivmbox ivmbox-tidy"> <div class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Commons-emblem-notice.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Commons-emblem-notice.svg/50px-Commons-emblem-notice.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Commons-emblem-notice.svg/75px-Commons-emblem-notice.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Commons-emblem-notice.svg/100px-Commons-emblem-notice.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span></div> <div class="mbox-text"><i><b>Please read this notice carefully.</b></i> <p>You are receiving this notice because you recently edited one or more pages relating to <a href="/wiki/Blockchain" title="Blockchain">blockchain</a> or <a href="/wiki/Cryptocurrency" title="Cryptocurrency">cryptocurrencies</a> topics. 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If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor. </p> </div> </div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Tsumikiria" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tsumikiria"><span style="font-family:'Lato',sans-serif;color:Crimson;text-shadow:2px 2px 12px HotPink;">Tsumikiria<i>⧸</i><small> </small></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tsumikiria" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tsumikiria">🌹</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tsumikiria" title="Special:Contributions/Tsumikiria">🌉</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Tsumikiria-2019-06-04T21:13:00.000Z-Important_notice,_please_read:" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 4 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tsumikiria-2019-06-04T21:13:00.000Z-Important_notice,_please_read:"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tsumikiria-2019-06-04T21:13:00.000Z-Important_notice,_please_read:"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Recent_edits_to_Merchant_and_other_articles_reveals_an_inconsistent_pattern_of_editing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Recent_edits_to_Merchant_and_other_articles_reveals_an_inconsistent_pattern_of_e-2019-06-06T02:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Recent_edits_to_Merchant_and_other_articles_reveals_an_inconsistent_pattern_of_e-2019-06-06T02:01:00.000Z"></span>Recent edits to <a href="/wiki/Merchant" title="Merchant">Merchant</a> and other articles reveals an inconsistent pattern of editing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Recent_edits_to_Merchant_and_other_articles_reveals_an_inconsistent_pattern_of_e-2019-06-06T02:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Recent edits to Merchant and other articles reveals an inconsistent pattern of editing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-175.32.56.121-2019-06-06T02:01:00.000Z-Recent_edits_to_Merchant_and_other_articles_reveals_an_inconsistent_pattern_of_e"></span>You can cry “nonsensical justification” as much as you like. However, the reality is that WP maintains a record of all edits which can be checked for their appropriateness and context. Your recent edit to the article, <a href="/wiki/Merchant" title="Merchant">Merchant</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Merchant&diff=prev&oldid=899958879">here</a> replaced phrases such as “term that describes”(or similar) with “refers to”. This is a matter of record. In support of this edit, you quoted the policy/guideline, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ISAWORDFOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ISAWORDFOR">WP:ISAWORDFOR</a> which states that dictionary-style introductory sentences, in the form of "X ‘’’is a term’’’ for blah, blah, blah,” and “X ‘’’refers to’’’ blah, blah, blah “ [Emphasis added]. Further, the policy suggests that editors should replace "is a term for", "is a word that means", "refers to" with the more direct "is" construction. This is also a matter of record. In the case of the article <a href="/wiki/Merchant" title="Merchant">Merchant</a> you replaced one phrase which the policy suggests should be avoided (“term that describes”, or variant) with a different phrase that the policy equally suggests should be avoided (“refers to”). A quick glance at your recent editing history shows that you have repeatedly replaced the phrase “refers to” as you did </p> <ul><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bimodal_bilingualism&diff=prev&oldid=899960047">here</a>,</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_Kingdom%E2%80%93United_States_relations&diff=prev&oldid=899405730">here</a>,</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Muhajiroun&diff=prev&oldid=899404235">here</a>,</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prescription_cascade&diff=prev&oldid=899300822">here</a>,</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greater_Manila_Area&diff=prev&oldid=897084671">here</a>,</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Forgotten_man&diff=prev&oldid=895269511">here</a>,</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Music_genre&diff=prev&oldid=894165935">here</a>,</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Designer_baby&diff=prev&oldid=892760939">here</a>,</li></ul> <p>However, in other articles you have taken the phrase “term used to describe” (or similar) and replaced it with “refers to” as you did here </p> <ul><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Inside_baseball_(metaphor)&diff=prev&oldid=899957061">here</a>,</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Premiership_of_Tony_Blair&diff=prev&oldid=899404399">here</a>,</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Batting_(cricket)&diff=prev&oldid=897854556">here</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gosu_(disambiguation)&diff=prev&oldid=894462805">here</a>,</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Get_Some_In!&diff=prev&oldid=892745332">here</a>,</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rapid_sequence_induction&diff=prev&oldid=892744901">here</a> and</li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Lilley_(British_Army_soldier)&diff=prev&oldid=894131291">here</a></li></ul> <p>This inconsistent pattern of editing defies comprehension and is entirely at odds with the current policy. The policy in relation to "refers to" applies to introductory passages, not to entire articles. In spite of that, the phrase “refers to” has now become so controversial, there is a veritable army of editors out there on a ‘search and destroy’ mission replacing “refers to” wherever they find it. Some of these editors are in such haste to remove and replace the ‘offending phrase’ that they have leave grammatical and logical errors in their wake. In your haste to change the prose, you have left an error </p> <ul><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hipster_(contemporary_subculture)&diff=prev&oldid=898283614">here</a></li></ul> <p>In the case of the <a href="/wiki/Merchant" title="Merchant">Merchant</a> article, your edit <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Merchant&type=revision&diff=900122117&oldid=900048582">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Merchant&type=revision&diff=900122117&oldid=900048582</a> replaced “described” with “referred to” in the section entitled “In Art”. The section, which was not an introductory passage, discussed the way that changes in the socio-economic external environment led to new terms being coined to describe different types of merchants. In this context, there was no attempt to turn the article into a dictionary-like entry; rather it showed how language needs to change to keep pace with social developments. Either the original passage or your changes would have been perfectly acceptable. However, WP editors generally are much more vehemently opposed to the use of “refers to” anywhere in the article, so it just a matter of time before your changes will be reverted by a pedant. </p><p>I also note that you have gone into my edit history and made a number of reversions to my recent edits. This type of activity could be construed as <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:HOUNDING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:HOUNDING">WP:HOUNDING</a> or stalking. Whatever you want to call it, it is clearly activity designed to alienate good faith editors in order to serve some personal agenda. There is already far too much of this type of hounding, which is a form of abuse, taking place on Wikipedia. </p><p>My prior experience as a past editor suggests that once an editor, such as yourself, has been challenged, the challenger inevitably becomes a victim, and there is no end to the number of punitive edits that must be imposed.A few years ago, I quit editing altogether after being hounded for more than half a year by a couple of bullies, who were content to revert entire articles (save for an intro or a conclusion) amongst other things. I see this pattern emerging here and obviously, I will be forced to quit once more. It’s a shame because I had planned a total overhaul of an article that had been tagged with “essay-like” and was ready to upload the rather substantial and well-researched amendments later this week. I also had a new article on a 19th century female calligrapher prepared and was ready to upload it to the main space in the next week or so. Now that I know you are gunning for me, clearly, I will not be able to undertake these improvements at any time in the near future. </p><p>While, no doubt, you will feel the need to respond with more disingenuous claims of “nonsensical” reversions and more punitive edits, however, please understand that I have made the decision to quit for the time being and will not be monitoring my talk page or edits after today. So, you can have the satisfaction of knowing that you have driven yet another editor off Wikipedia. Go ahead and revert away, but please consider your own advice and only revert when absolutely necessary. Thank-you. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/175.32.56.121" title="Special:Contributions/175.32.56.121">175.32.56.121</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:175.32.56.121&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:175.32.56.121 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-175.32.56.121-2019-06-06T02:01:00.000Z-Recent_edits_to_Merchant_and_other_articles_reveals_an_inconsistent_pattern_of_e" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:01, 6 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-175.32.56.121-2019-06-06T02:01:00.000Z-Recent_edits_to_Merchant_and_other_articles_reveals_an_inconsistent_pattern_of_e"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-175.32.56.121-2019-06-06T02:01:00.000Z-Recent_edits_to_Merchant_and_other_articles_reveals_an_inconsistent_pattern_of_e"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-06-06T03:06:00.000Z-175.32.56.121-2019-06-06T02:01:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for the time and consideration in explaining your thought process behind the revert. I see what you mean in that, replacing <i>describes</i> with <i>refers to</i> is more in keeping with my understanding of the differences between these words (<i>describes</i> is more accurate with adjectives, <i>refers to</i> is more appropriate for everything else) less than the general point of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ISAWORDFOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ISAWORDFOR">WP:ISAWORDFOR</a>, which is more about avoiding referring to things <i>as</i> terms. Thus, <i>refers to</i> should still be avoided inasmuch as we avoid talking about things <i>as terms</i>, but when we can't avoid discussing things as terms (as is the case with <a href="/wiki/Merchant" title="Merchant">Merchant</a>), <i>refers to</i> is the better choice.</dd> <dd>I tend to link to this policy page in the edit summary when phrasing like "term used to describe" attracts me to an article, as it most closely articulates my concerns in targeting this kind of language, though I can see how it might have been confusing because there were a number of other edits beyond this, only some of which were in keeping with this policy (namely, changing <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">the <i>meerseniers</i> which referred to local merchants including bakers, grocers, sellers of dairy products and stall-holders, and the <i>koopman,</i> which described a new, emergent class</q> to <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">the <i>meerseniers</i> which <b>were</b> local merchants including bakers, grocers, sellers of dairy products and stall-holders, and the <i>koopman,</i> which <b>were</b> a new, emergent class</q>). I do this even when I am changing language outside of the lede and have found it efficiently clarifies my intentions in the limited space of an edit summary, even if the policy imperfectly encapsulates what I am doing.</dd> <dd>I am not sure what error you see in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hipster_(contemporary_subculture)&diff=prev&oldid=898283614">this</a> edit at <a href="/wiki/Hipster_(contemporary_subculture)" title="Hipster (contemporary subculture)">Hipster (contemporary subculture)</a>, the only mistakes I see are in the edit summary, where there is a typographical error, and I should have probably linked to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTDIC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTDIC">WP:NOTDIC</a> instead. A better example of a mistake I made due to "haste" is in the Merchant article itself, which I have <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Merchant&diff=prev&oldid=900494752">fixed</a>.</dd> <dd>As for your accusation of hounding, the irony is quite rich coming from such a methodical and antagonistic comb-through of my recent edits. I have made zero reversions of your edits outside of the Merchant article. In two instances, I made edits that piggy-backed on your own; in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AIDA_(marketing)&diff=prev&oldid=900273552">one instance</a>, I cleaned up the language without removing the content and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Preg%C3%B3n&diff=prev&oldid=900273891">in the other</a>, I restored unproblematic content lost from a blanket revert.</dd> <dd>With such a battlefield mentality, it's no wonder you have become frustrated and disillusioned with Wikipedia. You perceive slights where there are none and find enemies among people who are nothing of the sort. If this is how you normally interact in talk pages, then it's probably for the best that you stay away from the project. Regards. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-06-06T03:06:00.000Z-175.32.56.121-2019-06-06T02:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:06, 6 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-06-06T03:06:00.000Z-175.32.56.121-2019-06-06T02:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-06-06T03:06:00.000Z-175.32.56.121-2019-06-06T02:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Creole_edit_thanks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Creole_edit_thanks-2019-06-07T22:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Creole_edit_thanks-2019-06-07T22:23:00.000Z"></span>Creole edit thanks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Creole_edit_thanks-2019-06-07T22:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Creole edit thanks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trumblej1986-2019-06-07T22:23:00.000Z-Creole_edit_thanks"></span>Thanks for the "thank you" for my brief edit on Creole. I just noticed that you're a grad of USM, and thought I'd say hi and thanks for your many contributions to wikipedia. I was attending Gulf Park for the past 2 years, in the biology licensure program. SMTTT! <a href="/wiki/User:Trumblej1986" title="User:Trumblej1986">Trumblej1986</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trumblej1986" title="User talk:Trumblej1986">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Trumblej1986-2019-06-07T22:23:00.000Z-Creole_edit_thanks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 7 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trumblej1986-2019-06-07T22:23:00.000Z-Creole_edit_thanks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trumblej1986-2019-06-07T22:23:00.000Z-Creole_edit_thanks"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-06-10T16:00:00.000Z-Trumblej1986-2019-06-07T22:23:00.000Z"></span>What a coincidence! — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-06-10T16:00:00.000Z-Trumblej1986-2019-06-07T22:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 10 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-06-10T16:00:00.000Z-Trumblej1986-2019-06-07T22:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-06-10T16:00:00.000Z-Trumblej1986-2019-06-07T22:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_21" data-mw-thread-id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_21-2019-06-21T07:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_21-2019-06-21T07:26:00.000Z"></span>Disambiguation link notification for June 21<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_21-2019-06-21T07:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Disambiguation link notification for June 21"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DPL_bot-2019-06-21T07:26:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_21"></span>Hi. 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Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:DPL_bot" title="User:DPL bot">DPL bot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DPL_bot" title="User talk:DPL bot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-DPL_bot-2019-06-21T07:26:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:26, 21 June 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DPL_bot-2019-06-21T07:26:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_21"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DPL_bot-2019-06-21T07:26:00.000Z-Disambiguation_link_notification_for_June_21"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Spanish_phonology" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spanish_phonology-2019-07-02T01:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Spanish_phonology-2019-07-02T01:40:00.000Z"></span>Spanish phonology<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Spanish_phonology-2019-07-02T01:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Spanish phonology"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nardog-2019-07-02T01:40:00.000Z-Spanish_phonology"></span>Sorry, which part of <a href="/wiki/MOS:HYPHEN" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:HYPHEN">MOS:HYPHEN</a> supports <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/904420571" title="Special:Diff/904420571">this edit</a>? The third item says "Avoid using a hyphen after a standard <i>-ly</i> adverb ... unless part of a larger compound." It also says "A few words ending in <i>-ly</i> function as both adjectives and adverbs ... Some such dual-purpose words (like early, only, northerly) are not standard <i>-ly</i> adverbs", but as far as I know <i>frequently</i> is always an adverb. You also changed <i>word-medially</i> back to <i>word medially</i>; was this intended? <a href="/wiki/User:Nardog" title="User:Nardog">Nardog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nardog" title="User talk:Nardog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Nardog-2019-07-02T01:40:00.000Z-Spanish_phonology" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:40, 2 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nardog-2019-07-02T01:40:00.000Z-Spanish_phonology"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nardog-2019-07-02T01:40:00.000Z-Spanish_phonology"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-07-02T02:52:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-07-02T01:40:00.000Z"></span>Taking a closer look, I see I was partially in error. It seems as though the proscription of <i>-ly</i> words has to do with the unambiguous adjectival nature of a number of a number of words so that, e.g. <i>quick</i> (adjective) and <i>quickly</i> (adverb) are easily distinguished and a hyphen is therefore unnecessary. In that sense, <i>frequently-used</i> does have a redundant hyphen. However, <i>word medially</i> occurs predicatively (that is, separated from the noun it modifies) and therefore our style guide indicates we should not hyphenated. So it should be "...codas occur word medially and at the ends of frequently used function words..." — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-07-02T02:52:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-07-02T01:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:52, 2 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-07-02T02:52:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-07-02T01:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-07-02T02:52:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-07-02T01:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nardog-2019-07-02T03:05:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-07-02T02:52:00.000Z"></span>Word-medially</i> (or <i>word medially</i>) is an adverb, not an adjective, and in this case modifies the verb <i>occur</i> so the rule about attributive vs. predicative doesn't apply. Even its adjective form is usually spelled with a hyphen, <i>word-medial</i>, whether it's attributive or predicative; "word" being a noun, it's closer to "hand-fed" than to "light blue" in the MoS. <a href="/wiki/User:Nardog" title="User:Nardog">Nardog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nardog" title="User talk:Nardog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Nardog-2019-07-02T03:05:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-07-02T02:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:05, 2 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nardog-2019-07-02T03:05:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-07-02T02:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nardog-2019-07-02T03:05:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-07-02T02:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-07-02T23:57:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-07-02T03:05:00.000Z"></span>Ahh, I see now. Well I learned something today. Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-07-02T23:57:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-07-02T03:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:57, 2 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-07-02T23:57:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-07-02T03:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-07-02T23:57:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-07-02T03:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Involved" data-mw-thread-id="h-Involved-2019-07-31T21:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Involved-2019-07-31T21:02:00.000Z"></span>Involved<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Involved-2019-07-31T21:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Involved"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INVOLVED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INVOLVED"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JzG-2019-07-31T21:02:00.000Z-Involved"></span>WP:INVOLVED</a> requires that an admin has been engaged in the article prior to an action. I haven't. As far as I recall, I never saw that article prior to today. If someone wants to make specific requests for changes in neutral terms that are not belligerent and disrespectful of established editors, they are free to do so. That comment was none of those things. <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JzG" title="User talk:JzG">Guy</a></b> <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:JzG/help" title="User:JzG/help">Help!</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-JzG-2019-07-31T21:02:00.000Z-Involved" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 31 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JzG-2019-07-31T21:02:00.000Z-Involved"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JzG-2019-07-31T21:02:00.000Z-Involved"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-07-31T21:36:00.000Z-JzG-2019-07-31T21:02:00.000Z"></span>I'm sorry, which comment are you referring to?</dd> <dd>Your rationale for closing the discussion doesn't seem to fall in line with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CLOSE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CLOSE">WP:CLOSE</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TPG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TPG">WP:TPG</a>. The comments that you've placed as part of the archive template are full of misstatements. The lede has not "been hammered out over a long time". Moreover, the phrase <i>transphobic hatred</i> is still in the article (it was just taken out of the lede), amid talk page objection. You keep implying that Rhino was disrespectful to other editors, but I'm not seeing it. Certainly nothing they've said is as brazenly uncivil as "You may be mistaking me for someone who cares". I'm also confused as to how you can surmise that all of the objections raised are the result of bad faith, off-wiki recruitment, rather than legitimate concerns. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-07-31T21:36:00.000Z-JzG-2019-07-31T21:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 31 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-07-31T21:36:00.000Z-JzG-2019-07-31T21:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-07-31T21:36:00.000Z-JzG-2019-07-31T21:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Newimpartial-2019-07-31T22:00:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-07-31T21:36:00.000Z"></span>I believe Guy was referring to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:TERF&diff=908766770&oldid=908710077">this</a>, which clearly accused them of being involved in spite of INVOLVED and AGF. As far as the "misstatements" in Guy's summary, I think most of that is a matter of perspective. The page in question is part of the gender-related sanctions area, so we all do have to be on best behaviour when it comes to AGF, ASPERSIONS and CIVIL in general. Your edit summary linked above certainly failed that test. <a href="/wiki/User:Newimpartial" title="User:Newimpartial">Newimpartial</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newimpartial" title="User talk:Newimpartial">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Newimpartial-2019-07-31T22:00:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-07-31T21:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 31 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newimpartial-2019-07-31T22:00:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-07-31T21:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Newimpartial-2019-07-31T22:00:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-07-31T21:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-07-31T22:54:00.000Z-Newimpartial-2019-07-31T22:00:00.000Z"></span>I see. Yes, I've been sufficiently corrected on what it means to be involved. I had taken it to mean that the editor be unbiased and impartial, which is why it was a concern to me that Guy expressed his strong opinion in favor of the status quo as his rationale for closing off the discussion, rather than administrative reasons mentioned at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CLOSE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CLOSE">WP:CLOSE</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TPG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TPG">WP:TPG</a>. Your tone tells me that there is apparently an aspersion of bad faith inherent in saying someone is an involved editor, so I apologize for any offense.</dd> <dd>As for the misstatements, since you haven't actually provided a perspective-based rationale for how Guy's misstatements aren't actually misstatements, I think it's going to be pretty easy to reject this argument. What can be asserted without evidence can also be <a href="/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor" title="Hitchens's razor">dismissed without evidence</a>. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-07-31T22:54:00.000Z-Newimpartial-2019-07-31T22:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 31 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-07-31T22:54:00.000Z-Newimpartial-2019-07-31T22:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-07-31T22:54:00.000Z-Newimpartial-2019-07-31T22:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Newimpartial-2019-07-31T23:06:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-07-31T22:54:00.000Z"></span>"What can be asserted without evidence can also be <a href="/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor" title="Hitchens's razor">dismissed without evidence</a>" QE quite precisely D. <a href="/wiki/User:Newimpartial" title="User:Newimpartial">Newimpartial</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newimpartial" title="User talk:Newimpartial">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Newimpartial-2019-07-31T23:06:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-07-31T22:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 31 July 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newimpartial-2019-07-31T23:06:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-07-31T22:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Newimpartial-2019-07-31T23:06:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-07-31T22:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard-2019-10-08T03:42:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia:Administrators.27_noticeboard"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard-2019-10-08T03:42:00.000Z"></span>Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard-2019-10-08T03:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Treannmust-2019-10-08T03:42:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard"></span>Sir, kindly see these violations <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Sefarat90_reported_by_User:Treannmust_(Result:_)">[1]</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Treannmust" title="User:Treannmust">Treannmust</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Treannmust" title="User talk:Treannmust">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Treannmust-2019-10-08T03:42:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:42, 8 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Treannmust-2019-10-08T03:42:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Treannmust-2019-10-08T03:42:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Occlusive_terminology" data-mw-thread-id="h-Occlusive_terminology-2019-10-24T15:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Occlusive_terminology-2019-10-24T15:30:00.000Z"></span>Occlusive terminology<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Occlusive_terminology-2019-10-24T15:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Occlusive terminology"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nardog-2019-10-24T15:30:00.000Z-Occlusive_terminology"></span><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/922822446" title="Special:Diff/922822446"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">an affricate <i>is</i> a stop. That's why we use "stop" instead of "plosive"</q></a> So is a nasal. And <a href="/wiki/Plosive" title="Plosive">Plosive</a> redirects to <a href="/wiki/Stop_consonant" class="mw-redirect" title="Stop consonant">Stop consonant</a>, not to mention we are using "Stop" to refer to plosives exclusively in our consonant chart. I think it's about time we followed the IPA and started using the term "plosive", which is less ambiguous as it excludes nasals, affricates, <s>ejectives,</s> implosives, and clicks. It seems like our preference of "stop" comes from the fact in some definitions the term also excludes inaudibly released stops, but <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2012/03/no-audible-release.html">Wells</a>, former IPA President, dismisses this idea. Thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:Nardog" title="User:Nardog">Nardog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nardog" title="User talk:Nardog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Nardog-2019-10-24T15:30:00.000Z-Occlusive_terminology" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 24 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nardog-2019-10-24T15:30:00.000Z-Occlusive_terminology"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nardog-2019-10-24T15:30:00.000Z-Occlusive_terminology"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-10-24T15:41:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-10-24T15:30:00.000Z"></span>If we're talking about phonetics in general, yes. I think there's a bit of wiggle room when we get into language-specific phonologies, where sounds are grouped together in certain ways. It seems that scholarship allows for a bit of terminological wobbliness in phonological descriptions. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-10-24T15:41:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-10-24T15:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 24 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-10-24T15:41:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-10-24T15:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-10-24T15:41:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-10-24T15:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nardog-2019-10-24T18:59:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-10-24T15:41:00.000Z"></span>Yes, my suggestion is to replace "Stop" with "Plosive" in <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:IPA_pulmonic_consonants" title="Template:IPA pulmonic consonants">IPA pulmonic consonants</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, move articles named "...stop(s)" to "...plosive(s)", and move <a href="/wiki/Stop_consonant" class="mw-redirect" title="Stop consonant">Stop consonant</a> to <a href="/wiki/Plosive" title="Plosive">Plosive</a> (possibly with some content migrating to <a href="/wiki/Occlusive" title="Occlusive">Occlusive</a>). I'm not advocating for a blanket change in language-specific phonologies.</dd> <dd>Speaking of which, do you think our having separate articles for voiceless approximants is justified? They're never found to contrast with homorganic fricatives, and it seems some if not many phoneticians hold that a voiceless sound produced with not enough constriction to be a fricative if voiced is still a fricative and that a "voiceless approximant" would mean silence.<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.revistacontextos.es/1992/1.-Tsu%C3%ADomu.Akamatsu.pdf#page=24">[2]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2009/04/h-fricative-or-approximant.html">[3]</a> Even Ladefoged & Maddieson (1996), who argue for making the distinction between voiceless fricatives and approximants, indicate that the view which does not posit it is the traditional one (198), and say there are cases where "it is difficult to decide whether a voiceless lateral should be described as an approximant or a fricative" (199). The IPA seems to hold the traditional view, defining <span class="nowrap">⟨ʍ⟩</span> as a fricative. So the current organization of articles doesn't strike me as giving due weight. <a href="/wiki/User:RoachPeter" title="User:RoachPeter">RoachPeter</a> brought this up <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File_talk:Extended_IPA_chart_2005.png&oldid=847353228#Voiceless_labialized_velar..._approximant?">here</a> seven years ago, and you seem to have been somewhat persuaded in light of what Ohala said, but the conversation seems to have petered out there. (I'm not sure if "Ohala's wording suggests that his view wasn't common", though. As far as I can see, he is only talking about how the mechanism of a voiceless fricative was hitherto not fully understood, not that such a sound would have been regarded as an approximant.) <a href="/wiki/User:Nardog" title="User:Nardog">Nardog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nardog" title="User talk:Nardog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Nardog-2019-10-24T18:59:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-10-24T15:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:59, 24 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nardog-2019-10-24T18:59:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-10-24T15:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nardog-2019-10-24T18:59:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-10-24T15:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-10-25T04:32:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-10-24T18:59:00.000Z"></span>I could get behind merging the voiceless approximants with their relevant fricative pages and defining <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">ʍ</span> as a fricative, but we would probably want to get a discussion on that. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-10-25T04:32:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-10-24T18:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:32, 25 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-10-25T04:32:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-10-24T18:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-10-25T04:32:00.000Z-Nardog-2019-10-24T18:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nardog-2019-10-26T15:55:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-10-25T04:32:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. I just wanted to test the water with you before taking it to the community. <a href="/wiki/User:Nardog" title="User:Nardog">Nardog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nardog" title="User talk:Nardog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Nardog-2019-10-26T15:55:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-10-25T04:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 26 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nardog-2019-10-26T15:55:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-10-25T04:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nardog-2019-10-26T15:55:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-10-25T04:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_2019_election_voter_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_2019_election_voter_message-2019-11-19T00:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_2019_election_voter_message-2019-11-19T00:05:00.000Z"></span>ArbCom 2019 election voter message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_2019_election_voter_message-2019-11-19T00:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: ArbCom 2019 election voter message"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table class="messagebox" style="border: 1px solid #AAA; background: ivory; padding: 0.5em; width: 100%;"> <tbody><tr><td style="vertical-align:middle; padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2019-11-19T00:05:00.000Z-ArbCom_2019_election_voter_message"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208"/></a></span></td><td>Hello! 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Please don't re-instate them as you did <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Non-native_pronunciations_of_English&diff=prev&oldid=927686233">here</a>. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Headbomb-2019-11-24T17:11:00.000Z-Macrothink_Institute" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 24 November 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-2019-11-24T17:11:00.000Z-Macrothink_Institute"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-2019-11-24T17:11:00.000Z-Macrothink_Institute"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-11-25T03:00:00.000Z-Headbomb-2019-11-24T17:11:00.000Z"></span>Hi <a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a>, and thank you for clarifying your rationale. I hadn't heard of predatory publishers before, and I think it might be a good idea to provide clarity in your edit summaries for other editors in a similar position to understand where you're coming from and to keep your edits from looking disruptive. A link to <a href="/wiki/Predatory_publisher" class="mw-redirect" title="Predatory publisher">predatory publisher</a> would be a good start, but being explicit can also help in this regard. For the edit in question, something like</dd></dl> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1244412712">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{padding-left:1.6em}}</style><blockquote class="templatequote"><p><i>removing citation associated with Macrothink Institute, a <a href="/wiki/Predatory_publisher" class="mw-redirect" title="Predatory publisher">predatory publisher</a>.</i></p></blockquote> <dl><dd>If there is a policy page or discussion that can help inquiring editors, linking to it will help keep ignorant editors such as myself from making the same error. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-11-25T03:00:00.000Z-Headbomb-2019-11-24T17:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:00, 25 November 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-11-25T03:00:00.000Z-Headbomb-2019-11-24T17:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-11-25T03:00:00.000Z-Headbomb-2019-11-24T17:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-2019-11-25T04:40:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-11-25T03:00:00.000Z"></span>Well, I felt "predatory journal" was clear enough, but I supposed I could have linked it. As for policy/guidelines, well the real one is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>, but you might be interested in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2019-03-31/In_focus" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2019-03-31/In focus">this <i>Signpost</i> piece</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CITEWATCH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CITEWATCH">WP:CITEWATCH</a>, or <a href="/wiki/User:JzG/Predatory" title="User:JzG/Predatory">User:JzG/Predatory</a> for various cleanup efforts. It's a fairly big problem, but I've made a big dent in it these past few days. Probably removed 2500+ citations to such predatory journals and publishers in the last 4-5 days. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Headbomb-2019-11-25T04:40:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-11-25T03:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:40, 25 November 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-2019-11-25T04:40:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-11-25T03:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-2019-11-25T04:40:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2019-11-25T03:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-11-25T15:35:00.000Z-Headbomb-2019-11-25T04:40:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, this is one of those situations where clear edit summaries can save you a headache later on. You're doing great work. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2019-11-25T15:35:00.000Z-Headbomb-2019-11-25T04:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:35, 25 November 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2019-11-25T15:35:00.000Z-Headbomb-2019-11-25T04:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2019-11-25T15:35:00.000Z-Headbomb-2019-11-25T04:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Korean_vowel_"eo"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Korean_vowel_"eo"-2020-02-06T15:41:00.000Z"><span id="Korean_vowel_.22eo.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Korean_vowel_"eo"-2020-02-06T15:41:00.000Z"></span>Korean vowel "eo"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Korean_vowel_"eo"-2020-02-06T15:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Korean vowel "eo""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T15:41:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""></span>I want to use [ə] for short "eo" like a long sound, because it sound like schwa sound in eng approximation. And sometime, I can hear a bit of [ɔ]; both short and long sound. I think you have to analyze these sounds, again. <a href="/wiki/User:Juidzi" title="User:Juidzi">Juidzi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juidzi" title="User talk:Juidzi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T15:41:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 6 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T15:41:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T15:41:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T15:43:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""></span>Watch on "Help:IPA/Korean", please! <a href="/wiki/User:Juidzi" title="User:Juidzi">Juidzi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juidzi" title="User talk:Juidzi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T15:43:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 6 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T15:43:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T15:43:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T16:11:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""></span>In seoul accent, the vowel "eo" can hear a bit [ɔ]. But use [ɔ̟] to clear the description. <a href="/wiki/User:Juidzi" title="User:Juidzi">Juidzi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juidzi" title="User talk:Juidzi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T16:11:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 6 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T16:11:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T16:11:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T18:37:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""></span>This is a source, that I confirm the "eo" in seoul accent. </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki/IPA">https://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki/IPA</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Juidzi" title="User:Juidzi">Juidzi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juidzi" title="User talk:Juidzi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T18:37:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 6 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T18:37:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T18:37:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T18:39:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""></span>More references. </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki/%E3%85%93">https://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki/%E3%85%93</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Juidzi" title="User:Juidzi">Juidzi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juidzi" title="User talk:Juidzi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T18:39:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 6 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T18:39:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T18:39:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T18:40:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""></span>@Kbb2 remove my discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Juidzi" title="User:Juidzi">Juidzi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juidzi" title="User talk:Juidzi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T18:40:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 6 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T18:40:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T18:40:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T18:42:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""></span>But ⟨ɔ⟩ −> ⟨ɔ̟⟩ is more accuracy. <a href="/wiki/User:Juidzi" title="User:Juidzi">Juidzi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juidzi" title="User talk:Juidzi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T18:42:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:42, 6 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T18:42:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juidzi-2020-02-06T18:42:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juidzi-2020-02-08T07:43:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""></span>Reply me, please! <a href="/wiki/User:Juidzi" title="User:Juidzi">Juidzi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juidzi" title="User talk:Juidzi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Juidzi-2020-02-08T07:43:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:43, 8 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juidzi-2020-02-08T07:43:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juidzi-2020-02-08T07:43:00.000Z-Korean_vowel_"eo""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-02-08T15:08:00.000Z-Juidzi-2020-02-08T07:43:00.000Z"></span>I've already replied to you. Take a look at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOR">WP:NOR</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a>. If you want to update the information we have on the sound system of Korean, you'll need to do it with linguistic sources. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-02-08T15:08:00.000Z-Juidzi-2020-02-08T07:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 8 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-02-08T15:08:00.000Z-Juidzi-2020-02-08T07:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-02-08T15:08:00.000Z-Juidzi-2020-02-08T07:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Diphthongs_[ju]_and_[iu̯]_in_spanish" data-mw-thread-id="h-Diphthongs_[ju]_and_[iu̯]_in_spanish-2020-02-12T18:12:00.000Z"><span id="Diphthongs_.5Bju.5D_and_.5Biu.CC.AF.5D_in_spanish"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Diphthongs_[ju]_and_[iu̯]_in_spanish-2020-02-12T18:12:00.000Z"></span>Diphthongs [ju] and [iu̯] in spanish<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Diphthongs_[ju]_and_[iu̯]_in_spanish-2020-02-12T18:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Diphthongs [ju] and [iu̯] in spanish"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Unvatopensante-2020-02-12T18:12:00.000Z-Diphthongs_[ju]_and_[iu̯]_in_spanish"></span>I notice that in the wikipedia in Spanish a difference is made about these two diphthongs in Spanish, but not in the wiki in English, and that even the word they use in wiki in english to represent the diphthong [ju] it is used to represent the diphthong [iu̯] in wiki in spanish . I believe that the two are the same diphthong, [ju]. I say this since I have not found a difference in my speech, I being Mexican, but it may be that, yes, just because of that I tell you that it might be convenient to estudy by us something <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Unvatopensante" title="User:Unvatopensante">Unvatopensante</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Unvatopensante#top" title="User talk:Unvatopensante">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Unvatopensante" title="Special:Contributions/Unvatopensante">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Unvatopensante-2020-02-12T18:12:00.000Z-Diphthongs_[ju]_and_[iu̯]_in_spanish" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 12 February 2020 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Unvatopensante-2020-02-12T18:12:00.000Z-Diphthongs_[ju]_and_[iu̯]_in_spanish"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Unvatopensante-2020-02-12T18:12:00.000Z-Diphthongs_[ju]_and_[iu̯]_in_spanish"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-02-12T21:08:00.000Z-Unvatopensante-2020-02-12T18:12:00.000Z"></span>AFAIK, there isn't a contrast between the two. It's possible some dialects exhibit both, either as allophones or as a reflection of free variation, but I haven't seen anything about that. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-02-12T21:08:00.000Z-Unvatopensante-2020-02-12T18:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 12 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-02-12T21:08:00.000Z-Unvatopensante-2020-02-12T18:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-02-12T21:08:00.000Z-Unvatopensante-2020-02-12T18:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="'Ad_hominem'_argument" data-mw-thread-id="h-'Ad_hominem'_argument-2020-02-20T15:18:00.000Z"><span id=".27Ad_hominem.27_argument"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-'Ad_hominem'_argument-2020-02-20T15:18:00.000Z"></span>'Ad hominem' argument<span data-mw-comment-end="h-'Ad_hominem'_argument-2020-02-20T15:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: 'Ad hominem' argument"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Farnwell-2020-02-20T15:18:00.000Z-'Ad_hominem'_argument"></span>You took me to task on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Linguistics#Problems_with_IPA_templates" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Linguistics">Wikipedia:WikiProject_Linguistics#Problems with IPA templates</a> for misusing the term 'prescriptive'. It was clear from context, however, that I was using it in its normal English sense of a set of instructions that tells people (in this case phonologists) exactly what they have to do (in this case, what symbols to use), in situations where they should arguably be given discretion. Since you have no information on my background or experience, you should not have assumed that I would plausibly make that mistake; I think you were just looking for a way of attacking someone you disagree with. You should therefore withdraw your remark. Let's assume that you've done so, and leave it there. - <a href="/wiki/User:Farnwell" title="User:Farnwell">Farnwell</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Farnwell&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Farnwell (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Farnwell-2020-02-20T15:18:00.000Z-'Ad_hominem'_argument" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 20 February 2020 (UTC)</a>.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Farnwell-2020-02-20T15:18:00.000Z-'Ad_hominem'_argument"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Farnwell-2020-02-20T15:18:00.000Z-'Ad_hominem'_argument"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-02-20T16:14:00.000Z-Farnwell-2020-02-20T15:18:00.000Z"></span>If you're going to be so prickly as to take offense at someone correcting you with mild language like <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I think you're confusing terms here</q>, then you're going to have a bad time here. You're also going to have a bad time if you continue down this line of making <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">bad faith assumptions</a> about my intentions. I did not make an ad hominem attack. Not even close. I'm not going to withdraw my remarks, nor am I going to let you try to intimidate me with false accusations of incivility.</dd> <dd>I don't need to know your background to make my comments. Though, since you brought it up, it strikes me as very strange for someone with a background in linguistics to use <i>prescriptive</i> to have any other meaning than <a href="/wiki/Prescriptive_grammar" class="mw-redirect" title="Prescriptive grammar">prescriptive grammar</a>. In linguistics, the term <i>prescriptive</i> is so loaded that using it in any other sense (including the "normal English sense" that you talk about) is generally avoided. Take it as a warning, I suppose, that other people will also read your comments the way I have, and write your comments accordingly. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-02-20T16:14:00.000Z-Farnwell-2020-02-20T15:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:14, 20 February 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-02-20T16:14:00.000Z-Farnwell-2020-02-20T15:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-02-20T16:14:00.000Z-Farnwell-2020-02-20T15:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)-2020-03-04T22:20:00.000Z"><span id="Hello_Xev.C5.93pa.C5.8Baa.21_.28Wikipedia.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)-2020-03-04T22:20:00.000Z"></span>Hello Xevœpaŋaa! (Wikipedia)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)-2020-03-04T22:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Hello Xevœpaŋaa! (Wikipedia)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UniformMilk192-2020-03-04T22:20:00.000Z-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)"></span>I am a new playe- I mean user, and it's an honor to talk to an aristocrat of Xevœpaŋaa (Wikipedia). <a href="/wiki/User:UniformMilk192" title="User:UniformMilk192">UniformMilk192</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UniformMilk192" title="User talk:UniformMilk192">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-UniformMilk192-2020-03-04T22:20:00.000Z-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:20, 4 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UniformMilk192-2020-03-04T22:20:00.000Z-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UniformMilk192-2020-03-04T22:20:00.000Z-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-03-05T02:21:00.000Z-UniformMilk192-2020-03-04T22:20:00.000Z"></span>Welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you're a good fit. :) — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-03-05T02:21:00.000Z-UniformMilk192-2020-03-04T22:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:21, 5 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-03-05T02:21:00.000Z-UniformMilk192-2020-03-04T22:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-03-05T02:21:00.000Z-UniformMilk192-2020-03-04T22:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UniformMilk192-2020-03-06T01:54:00.000Z-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)"></span>How do you become a Wiki-Fairy? <a href="/wiki/User:UniformMilk192" title="User:UniformMilk192">UniformMilk192</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UniformMilk192" title="User talk:UniformMilk192">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-UniformMilk192-2020-03-06T01:54:00.000Z-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:54, 6 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UniformMilk192-2020-03-06T01:54:00.000Z-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UniformMilk192-2020-03-06T01:54:00.000Z-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-03-06T14:17:00.000Z-UniformMilk192-2020-03-06T01:54:00.000Z"></span>It's not an official thing. Just do what is described at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiFairy" title="Wikipedia:WikiFairy">Wikipedia:WikiFairy</a>. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-03-06T14:17:00.000Z-UniformMilk192-2020-03-06T01:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 6 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-03-06T14:17:00.000Z-UniformMilk192-2020-03-06T01:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-03-06T14:17:00.000Z-UniformMilk192-2020-03-06T01:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-UniformMilk192-2020-03-12T00:51:00.000Z-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)"></span>Ok. I have converted 2 images into text. I love it. <a href="/wiki/User:UniformMilk192" title="User:UniformMilk192">UniformMilk192</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:UniformMilk192" title="User talk:UniformMilk192">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-UniformMilk192-2020-03-12T00:51:00.000Z-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:51, 12 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-UniformMilk192-2020-03-12T00:51:00.000Z-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-UniformMilk192-2020-03-12T00:51:00.000Z-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NardoɡIsMean-2020-03-18T19:44:00.000Z-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)"></span>I'm on an alt account. My contributions keep beinɡ stomped on by Nardoɡ. I most likely can deal with this by myself. <a href="/wiki/User:Nardo%C9%A1IsMean" title="User:NardoɡIsMean">NardoɡIsMean</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nardo%C9%A1IsMean" title="User talk:NardoɡIsMean">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-NardoɡIsMean-2020-03-18T19:44:00.000Z-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:44, 18 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NardoɡIsMean-2020-03-18T19:44:00.000Z-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NardoɡIsMean-2020-03-18T19:44:00.000Z-Hello_Xevœpaŋaa!_(Wikipedia)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-03-18T20:06:00.000Z-NardoɡIsMean-2020-03-18T19:44:00.000Z"></span>I don't recommend using an alt account. You should only have one account. Take a look at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SOCK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SOCK">WP:SOCK</a>, which says you can be banned for using multiple accounts.</dd> <dd>I would suggest you completely scrap your alt account, which has a username that can be construed as a personal attack (something else that is frowned upon, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPA">WP:NPA</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:USERNAME" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:USERNAME">WP:USERNAME</a>).</dd> <dd>I would also suggest that you take a look at our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TALK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TALK">talk page guidelines</a>. If you are having trouble with a user disagreeing with you, the best idea is to discuss with them civilly in article talk pages. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-03-18T20:06:00.000Z-NardoɡIsMean-2020-03-18T19:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-03-18T20:06:00.000Z-NardoɡIsMean-2020-03-18T19:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-03-18T20:06:00.000Z-NardoɡIsMean-2020-03-18T19:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="African-American_English" data-mw-thread-id="h-African-American_English-2020-04-07T20:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-African-American_English-2020-04-07T20:50:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/African-American_English" title="African-American English">African-American English</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-African-American_English-2020-04-07T20:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: African-American English"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Erpert-2020-04-07T20:50:00.000Z-African-American_English"></span>I'm not sure what your issue is, but you need to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COOL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COOL">chill out</a> with comments like <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:African-American_English&diff=947015671&oldid=946919302">this</a>. <b><span style="color:red;">Erpert</span></b> <small><sup><span style="color:green;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Erpert" title="User talk:Erpert">blah, blah, blah...</a></span></sup></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Erpert-2020-04-07T20:50:00.000Z-African-American_English" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 7 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Erpert-2020-04-07T20:50:00.000Z-African-American_English"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Erpert-2020-04-07T20:50:00.000Z-African-American_English"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-04-07T21:48:00.000Z-Erpert-2020-04-07T20:50:00.000Z"></span>Or else what? I don't take much stock in someone tone policing me when I've called them out for acting in bad faith. I stand by what I said. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-04-07T21:48:00.000Z-Erpert-2020-04-07T20:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:48, 7 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-04-07T21:48:00.000Z-Erpert-2020-04-07T20:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-04-07T21:48:00.000Z-Erpert-2020-04-07T20:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Lao_vowel" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lao_vowel-2020-04-12T06:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lao_vowel-2020-04-12T06:35:00.000Z"></span>Lao vowel<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lao_vowel-2020-04-12T06:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Lao vowel"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juidzi-2020-04-12T06:35:00.000Z-Lao_vowel"></span>I'm back, and discuss about Lao vowel "ae". The phoneme use "/ɛ/" but please, go to this page <a class="external free" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-open_front_unrounded_vowel">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-open_front_unrounded_vowel</a> and refer lao vowel "ae" because sound like "[æ]" in american eng. <a href="/wiki/User:Juidzi" title="User:Juidzi">Juidzi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juidzi" title="User talk:Juidzi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Juidzi-2020-04-12T06:35:00.000Z-Lao_vowel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:35, 12 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juidzi-2020-04-12T06:35:00.000Z-Lao_vowel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juidzi-2020-04-12T06:35:00.000Z-Lao_vowel"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juidzi-2020-04-12T06:41:00.000Z-Lao_vowel"></span>Language: Lao ∣ dialect Word: ແບ້ IPA: “[bæ:˦˦˨]” Meaning: Goat Note: Related to "[ɛ̞]" sound. <a href="/wiki/User:Juidzi" title="User:Juidzi">Juidzi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juidzi" title="User talk:Juidzi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Juidzi-2020-04-12T06:41:00.000Z-Lao_vowel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:41, 12 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juidzi-2020-04-12T06:41:00.000Z-Lao_vowel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juidzi-2020-04-12T06:41:00.000Z-Lao_vowel"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juidzi-2020-04-16T10:08:00.000Z-Lao_vowel"></span>Are you here? <a href="/wiki/User:Juidzi" title="User:Juidzi">Juidzi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juidzi" title="User talk:Juidzi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Juidzi-2020-04-16T10:08:00.000Z-Lao_vowel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juidzi-2020-04-16T10:08:00.000Z-Lao_vowel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juidzi-2020-04-16T10:08:00.000Z-Lao_vowel"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-04-16T15:32:00.000Z-Juidzi-2020-04-16T10:08:00.000Z"></span>I'm watching <a href="/wiki/Help:IPA/Lao" title="Help:IPA/Lao">Help:IPA/Lao</a>. Anything you say in the talk page there I can see. If you believe that <span class="nowrap">⟨æ⟩</span> is a better character to represent this vowel in our transcriptions, you should say so there so that we can get a more inclusive discussion going in a relevant talk page.— <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-04-16T15:32:00.000Z-Juidzi-2020-04-16T10:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 16 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-04-16T15:32:00.000Z-Juidzi-2020-04-16T10:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-04-16T15:32:00.000Z-Juidzi-2020-04-16T10:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Juidzi-2020-09-24T13:07:00.000Z-Lao_vowel"></span>I'm means about allophone. <a href="/wiki/User:Juidzi" title="User:Juidzi">Juidzi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Juidzi" title="User talk:Juidzi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Juidzi-2020-09-24T13:07:00.000Z-Lao_vowel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:07, 24 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Juidzi-2020-09-24T13:07:00.000Z-Lao_vowel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Juidzi-2020-09-24T13:07:00.000Z-Lao_vowel"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IPA_for_Hebrew" data-mw-thread-id="h-IPA_for_Hebrew-2020-05-03T02:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IPA_for_Hebrew-2020-05-03T02:50:00.000Z"></span>IPA for Hebrew<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IPA_for_Hebrew-2020-05-03T02:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: IPA for Hebrew"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Help:IPA/Hebrew" title="Help:IPA/Hebrew"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nardog-2020-05-03T02:50:00.000Z-IPA_for_Hebrew"></span>Help:IPA/Hebrew</a> has become pretty unwieldy in the last couple of days. But I'm not sure if it should be outright reverted. Will you take a look? <a href="/wiki/User:Nardog" title="User:Nardog">Nardog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nardog" title="User talk:Nardog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Nardog-2020-05-03T02:50:00.000Z-IPA_for_Hebrew" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:50, 3 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nardog-2020-05-03T02:50:00.000Z-IPA_for_Hebrew"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nardog-2020-05-03T02:50:00.000Z-IPA_for_Hebrew"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-05-03T05:22:00.000Z-Nardog-2020-05-03T02:50:00.000Z"></span>The best option would be to do a blanket revert and start a talk page discussion. The IPA guides are a little too high profile to experiment, especially without consensus. But there may be merit to some of the changes, so it's worth it to make the first gesture at getting a discussion going. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-05-03T05:22:00.000Z-Nardog-2020-05-03T02:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:22, 3 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-05-03T05:22:00.000Z-Nardog-2020-05-03T02:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-05-03T05:22:00.000Z-Nardog-2020-05-03T02:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Afrikaans_key" data-mw-thread-id="h-Afrikaans_key-2020-05-16T15:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Afrikaans_key-2020-05-16T15:22:00.000Z"></span>Afrikaans key<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Afrikaans_key-2020-05-16T15:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Afrikaans key"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nardog-2020-05-16T15:22:00.000Z-Afrikaans_key"></span>Not pressing you but in case ping didn't work, I would like your input at <a href="/wiki/Help_talk:IPA/Afrikaans#Recent_changes" title="Help talk:IPA/Afrikaans">Help talk:IPA/Afrikaans#Recent changes</a>. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Nardog" title="User:Nardog">Nardog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nardog" title="User talk:Nardog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Nardog-2020-05-16T15:22:00.000Z-Afrikaans_key" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 16 May 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nardog-2020-05-16T15:22:00.000Z-Afrikaans_key"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nardog-2020-05-16T15:22:00.000Z-Afrikaans_key"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="rollback" data-mw-thread-id="h-rollback-2020-07-10T17:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-rollback-2020-07-10T17:43:00.000Z"></span><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3AIPA%2FItalian&type=revision&diff=967018585&oldid=966953015">rollback</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-rollback-2020-07-10T17:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: rollback"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tillotal-2020-07-10T17:43:00.000Z-rollback"></span>Good evening. I'm here to ask you the reason for your rollback in Help:IPA/Italian. The edit was correct, because the 'N' in "ma'n'giare" is phonetically a dental [n], not a palatal [ɲ]. The phoneme [ɲ] in Italian exists just in the form 'GN' and before a vowel. The 'N' before a soft 'C' or 'G' is always [n] because soft 'C's and 'G's are pronounced [tʃ] and [dʒ], not [c] and [ɟ], and the dental [t] and [d] are the first elements of the postalveolar affricates (the same goes for the alveolar affricates [ts] and [dz], both written 'Z', where the preceding 'N' is [n] too). In fact if you check any Italian IPA with containing 'NC(E/I)' or 'NG(E/I)' letters sequence you'll verify that they're all transcribed as [ntʃ] and [ndʒ], never as [ɲtʃ] and [ɲdʒ]. So, please, return the example "mangiare" in the [n] box, and possibly remove the "nasal" note number 5 form the [ɲ] box because it has nothing to do with it. Thanks for your collaboration.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tillotal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tillotal (page does not exist)">Tillotal</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tillotal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Tillotal (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Tillotal-2020-07-10T17:43:00.000Z-rollback" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 10 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tillotal-2020-07-10T17:43:00.000Z-rollback"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tillotal-2020-07-10T17:43:00.000Z-rollback"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T18:13:00.000Z-Tillotal-2020-07-10T17:43:00.000Z"></span>I didn't use rollback. I just reverted the edit since a recent discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Italian_phonology" title="Talk:Italian phonology">Talk:Italian phonology</a> has made it clear that the IPA key as it was is correct. If there are articles that deviate from this, we should fix their transcriptions. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T18:13:00.000Z-Tillotal-2020-07-10T17:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 10 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T18:13:00.000Z-Tillotal-2020-07-10T17:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T18:13:00.000Z-Tillotal-2020-07-10T17:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tillotal-2020-07-10T19:55:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T18:13:00.000Z"></span>Rollback or revert, it doesn't matter, you undid a right correction. I've watched the links contained in the last discussion of that talk, nowhere I've read a single example of a palatal nasal [ɲ] preceding a postalveolar affricate [tʃ] or [dʒ]. Forgive my naivety, I've taken for granted that you understood something about phonetics, that's why I explained in detail all those things in my previous comment. The information I wrote there is fully correct, any expert in phonetics could confirm that, but if a discussion among a few users could also establish that the current president of the States is Hillary Clinton it wouldn't make it true, and since there're no sources saying that in Italian a nasal preceding a postalveolar affricate is a palatal this is just false.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tillotal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tillotal (page does not exist)">Tillotal</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tillotal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Tillotal (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Tillotal-2020-07-10T19:55:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T18:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 10 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tillotal-2020-07-10T19:55:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T18:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tillotal-2020-07-10T19:55:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T18:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T22:52:00.000Z-Tillotal-2020-07-10T19:55:00.000Z"></span>I'm detecting an untoward level of incivility here. You're apparently new, so I recommend you talk a look at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVILITY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVILITY">WP:CIVILITY</a>. If you have a problem with the conclusion drawn in the discussion I mentioned above, I recommend you bring it there. Attempting to insult or browbeat other editors will not work. Regards. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T22:52:00.000Z-Tillotal-2020-07-10T19:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 10 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T22:52:00.000Z-Tillotal-2020-07-10T19:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T22:52:00.000Z-Tillotal-2020-07-10T19:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tillotal-2020-07-11T06:48:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T22:52:00.000Z"></span>If I've been somehow incivil I apologise. I was just taken by replying and maybe I didn't realise I was overshooting. However, I'm happy for the intervention of an expert in phonetics who solved the problem, thank you for your colaboration--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Tillotal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Tillotal (page does not exist)">Tillotal</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tillotal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Tillotal (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Tillotal-2020-07-11T06:48:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T22:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:48, 11 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tillotal-2020-07-11T06:48:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T22:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tillotal-2020-07-11T06:48:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T22:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nardog-2020-07-11T02:09:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T18:13:00.000Z"></span>Aeusoes1, have another look at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Italian_phonology#Isn't_"palatalized_postalveolar"_alveolo-palatal?" title="Talk:Italian phonology">Talk:Italian phonology#Isn't "palatalized postalveolar" alveolo-palatal?</a>. Admittedly the change I made was hasty. I've reverted changes to transcriptions in articles and to the footnote in the key, but I neglected to (re)move the example I had added. The IP's edit was correct. <a href="/wiki/User:Nardog" title="User:Nardog">Nardog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nardog" title="User talk:Nardog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Nardog-2020-07-11T02:09:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T18:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 11 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nardog-2020-07-11T02:09:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T18:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nardog-2020-07-11T02:09:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-07-10T18:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-11T03:50:00.000Z-Nardog-2020-07-11T02:09:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for jumping in. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-11T03:50:00.000Z-Nardog-2020-07-11T02:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:50, 11 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-11T03:50:00.000Z-Nardog-2020-07-11T02:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-11T03:50:00.000Z-Nardog-2020-07-11T02:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Langfocus_AAVE_lecture_on_YouTube" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Langfocus_AAVE_lecture_on_YouTube-2020-07-22T13:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Langfocus_AAVE_lecture_on_YouTube-2020-07-22T13:51:00.000Z"></span>The Langfocus AAVE lecture on YouTube<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Langfocus_AAVE_lecture_on_YouTube-2020-07-22T13:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: The Langfocus AAVE lecture on YouTube"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Davidbena-2020-07-22T13:51:00.000Z-The_Langfocus_AAVE_lecture_on_YouTube"></span>User:Aeusoes1</a>, Hi. Can I ask you why you felt it necessary to delete the "External links" entry in this article, which gave a very good overview of the subject AAVE? Just curious.<a href="/wiki/User:Davidbena" title="User:Davidbena">Davidbena</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Davidbena" title="User talk:Davidbena">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Davidbena-2020-07-22T13:51:00.000Z-The_Langfocus_AAVE_lecture_on_YouTube" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 22 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Davidbena-2020-07-22T13:51:00.000Z-The_Langfocus_AAVE_lecture_on_YouTube"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Davidbena-2020-07-22T13:51:00.000Z-The_Langfocus_AAVE_lecture_on_YouTube"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-22T16:37:00.000Z-Davidbena-2020-07-22T13:51:00.000Z"></span>I clicked on the link to see if it was worthy of inclusion (which I suspected it would not be, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:YOUTUBE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:YOUTUBE">WP:YOUTUBE</a>). But when I did so, the video wasn't available.</dd> <dd>Looking closely, I am now able to see that there was an error in the link. Looking at the video, it does seem informative but I don't think that it is a good link to include, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ELNO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ELNO">WP:ELNO</a> items 1 and 11. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-22T16:37:00.000Z-Davidbena-2020-07-22T13:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 22 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-22T16:37:00.000Z-Davidbena-2020-07-22T13:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-22T16:37:00.000Z-Davidbena-2020-07-22T13:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Davidbena-2020-07-22T22:50:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-07-22T16:37:00.000Z"></span>Well, as you are most certainly aware, YouTube is not one of the links that should be avoided, as in many cases, the YouTube presentation is strictly educational, as this video <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZpCdI6ZKU4">here</a>. If you're having problems accessing the YouTube stream, I can change the format for you. In short, this short overview of the subject is easy for laymen (like myself) to comprehend and is well-articulated, IMHO.<a href="/wiki/User:Davidbena" title="User:Davidbena">Davidbena</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Davidbena" title="User talk:Davidbena">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Davidbena-2020-07-22T22:50:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-07-22T16:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:50, 22 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Davidbena-2020-07-22T22:50:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-07-22T16:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Davidbena-2020-07-22T22:50:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-07-22T16:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-23T06:43:00.000Z-Davidbena-2020-07-22T22:50:00.000Z"></span>I've given my rationale and it looks like you're ignoring it. Not sure what you're expecting here. Read the links. My reasoning still stands. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-23T06:43:00.000Z-Davidbena-2020-07-22T22:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:43, 23 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-23T06:43:00.000Z-Davidbena-2020-07-22T22:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-07-23T06:43:00.000Z-Davidbena-2020-07-22T22:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Quotes_in_Semitic_language" data-mw-thread-id="h-Quotes_in_Semitic_language-2020-08-27T21:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Quotes_in_Semitic_language-2020-08-27T21:34:00.000Z"></span>Quotes in Semitic language<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Quotes_in_Semitic_language-2020-08-27T21:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Quotes in Semitic language"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mahmudmasri-2020-08-27T21:34:00.000Z-Quotes_in_Semitic_language"></span>Hello Aeusoes, don't you think that single quotes when used with Semitic words, are confusing and chaotic? Haven't you already noticed that Semitic languages commonly have a pharyngeal and a glottal consonant, and they are transliterated with similar symbols, including the single quote, even initially and finally? An example is علاء /ʕalaːʔ/ 'alā' 'highness' could be rendered <code>''alā''</code>, appearing slanted without the first and the last consonants, <i>alā</i>, not to mention the discomfort caused by reading single quotes transliterating consonants and single quotes surrounding glosses. <small>--<a href="/wiki/User:Mahmudmasri" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mahmudmasri">Mahmudmasri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mahmudmasri" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Mahmudmasri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Mahmudmasri-2020-08-27T21:34:00.000Z-Quotes_in_Semitic_language" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 27 August 2020 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mahmudmasri-2020-08-27T21:34:00.000Z-Quotes_in_Semitic_language"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mahmudmasri-2020-08-27T21:34:00.000Z-Quotes_in_Semitic_language"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-08-28T01:46:00.000Z-Mahmudmasri-2020-08-27T21:34:00.000Z"></span>I see what you're saying, but <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SINGLE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SINGLE">WP:SINGLE</a> is quite clear on prescribing the use of single quotes for simple glosses across the project. That policy itself comes from the use of single quotes for glosses outside of Wikipedia, including works covering Semitic languages. If there's any room for confusion, something like علاء /ʕalaːʔ/ <i>ʿalāʾ</i> ('highness') with the gloss in parentheses and the transcription in italics should work to keep things clear. As long as things are written with correct transcription and spaces in appropriate place, there will be no unintentional italics. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-08-28T01:46:00.000Z-Mahmudmasri-2020-08-27T21:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:46, 28 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-08-28T01:46:00.000Z-Mahmudmasri-2020-08-27T21:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-08-28T01:46:00.000Z-Mahmudmasri-2020-08-27T21:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mahmudmasri-2020-08-31T16:28:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-08-28T01:46:00.000Z"></span>The article you referred to is about a very different context, in songs, which uses double quotes. I commonly see normal single quotes used to transliterate the aforementioned consonants, and missing or hyper-corrected quotes.</dd> <dd>Quoting you, that example, علاء /ʕalaːʔ/ <i>ʿalāʾ</i> ('highness'), isn't always applicable, as the whole line might be already inside brackets, (علاء /ʕalaːʔ/ <i>ʿalāʾ</i> 'highness'), making <i>ʿalāʾ</i> and 'highness' written next to each other. <small>--<a href="/wiki/User:Mahmudmasri" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Mahmudmasri">Mahmudmasri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mahmudmasri" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Mahmudmasri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Mahmudmasri-2020-08-31T16:28:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-08-28T01:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mahmudmasri-2020-08-31T16:28:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-08-28T01:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mahmudmasri-2020-08-31T16:28:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-08-28T01:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-09-01T04:41:00.000Z-Mahmudmasri-2020-08-31T16:28:00.000Z"></span>Oh sorry, that should be <a href="/wiki/MOS:SINGLE" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:SINGLE">MOS:SINGLE</a>.</dd> <dd>A space between the '' that closes the italics and the single quote that brackets the simple gloss is all that's needed to keep things looking as intended. Again, as long as things are written correctly, there will be no unintentional italics and therefore no problem. If someone is using <span class="nowrap">⟨'⟩</span> for either <span class="nowrap">⟨ʿ⟩</span> or <span class="IPA nowrap" lang="und-Latn-fonipa" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">ʾ</span> in Semitic transcriptions, then the transcriptions are incorrect and potentially confusing, so if you see those you should fix them. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-09-01T04:41:00.000Z-Mahmudmasri-2020-08-31T16:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:41, 1 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-09-01T04:41:00.000Z-Mahmudmasri-2020-08-31T16:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-09-01T04:41:00.000Z-Mahmudmasri-2020-08-31T16:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Missing_cite_in_Approximant" data-mw-thread-id="h-Missing_cite_in_Approximant-2020-10-04T04:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Missing_cite_in_Approximant-2020-10-04T04:13:00.000Z"></span>Missing cite in <a href="/wiki/Approximant" title="Approximant">Approximant</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Missing_cite_in_Approximant-2020-10-04T04:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Missing cite in Approximant"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Renata3-2020-10-04T04:13:00.000Z-Missing_cite_in_Approximant"></span>Back in 2010, you added a short reference to "Catford (1988:161f)" but no such source is listed in bibliography. Any idea what that source was? Can you please add? Also, suggest installing a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-js mw-content-ltr" style="" dir="ltr"><span class="nx">importScript</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="s1">'User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'</span><span class="p">);</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="c1">// Backlink: [[User:Svick/HarvErrors.js]]</span></code> to <a href="/wiki/Special:MyPage/common.js" title="Special:MyPage/common.js">your common.js page</a>. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Renata3" title="User:Renata3">Renata</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Renata3" title="User talk:Renata3">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Renata3-2020-10-04T04:13:00.000Z-Missing_cite_in_Approximant" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:13, 4 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Renata3-2020-10-04T04:13:00.000Z-Missing_cite_in_Approximant"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Renata3-2020-10-04T04:13:00.000Z-Missing_cite_in_Approximant"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-10-04T16:45:00.000Z-Renata3-2020-10-04T04:13:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, I've added the source that I must have intended. 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Talk page discussions should be oriented towards improving article content, which your comment was not. To be frank, a comment like that makes you look like you've come to Wikipedia to cause trouble. If your intentions are good, I recommend you take a look at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TALK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TALK">WP:TALK</a> to make sure that you approach discussions with other editors on the best of terms. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-11-26T06:23:00.000Z-Villanco11-2020-11-26T06:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-11-26T06:23:00.000Z-Villanco11-2020-11-26T06:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-11-26T06:23:00.000Z-Villanco11-2020-11-26T06:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hi-2020-12-18T09:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hi-2020-12-18T09:56:00.000Z"></span>Hi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hi-2020-12-18T09:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Hi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T09:56:00.000Z-Hi"></span>Can you tell me why you reverted my changes? <a href="/wiki/User:AleksiB_1945" title="User:AleksiB 1945">AleksiB 1945</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AleksiB_1945" title="User talk:AleksiB 1945">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T09:56:00.000Z-Hi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:56, 18 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T09:56:00.000Z-Hi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T09:56:00.000Z-Hi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T10:08:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T09:56:00.000Z"></span>(edit): Since you know you cant pronounce [t͡ʂ] as you cant start of in the alveolar ridge and immediately jump to the retro. POA and in the page there are multiple occasions where the retro. aff. is represented with narrow transcription [t͡ʂ] <a href="/wiki/User:AleksiB_1945" title="User:AleksiB 1945">AleksiB 1945</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AleksiB_1945" title="User talk:AleksiB 1945">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T10:08:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T09:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 18 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T10:08:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T09:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T10:08:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T09:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-12-18T17:09:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T10:08:00.000Z"></span>It looks like Nardog explained the rationale in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polish_phonology&type=revision&diff=994974012&oldid=994957721">this</a> edit summary. I'm not sure what the articulatory truth is for Polish, but your phonetic claims are inaccurate. It might be more difficult if Polish retroflexes were subapical, but they are not. They are Laminal post-alveolar, which means it's pronounced with the blade of the tongue, it's not that difficult to have a closure at the alveolar ridge with the tip of the tongue and then release it with constriction in the postalveolar ridge. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-12-18T17:09:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T10:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 18 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-12-18T17:09:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T10:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-12-18T17:09:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T10:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T21:51:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-12-18T17:09:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Aeusoes1</a>:</span> see 'oo' is commonly used to describe [u] and 'ee' for [i] the same with tʂ/ʈʂ i mean its not like you gota use a ton of diacritics there is a single character for it, also considering that many of the words are transcribed under narrow transcription (yes i talked to Nardog) more about it, you gota either fix on something either post alveolar (t̠͡ʃ/t͡ʃ whatever) or ʈʂ either way you cant use tʂ especially in narrow transcription (you cant immediately jump from alveolar to retroflex you gota start in pos alv or retro. t̠ʂ ʈʂ bla bla) + being hard to pronounce just depends on the speaker many langs have true retroflex stops/affricates including mine and that source is messed up once they will say that (Cz) is true retroflex and later trying to prove its pos alv kinda debated ig at the end of all this its still under the "retroflex" column</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Why is this even a thing? I didnt add or delete something without giving a source or something like that i just changed (t) to (ʈ) <a href="/wiki/User:AleksiB_1945" title="User:AleksiB 1945">AleksiB 1945</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AleksiB_1945" title="User talk:AleksiB 1945">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T21:51:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-12-18T17:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:51, 18 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T21:51:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-12-18T17:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T21:51:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2020-12-18T17:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-12-18T22:09:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T21:51:00.000Z"></span>It looks like this conversation is spread out. I recommend we move this to <a href="/wiki/Talk:Polish_phonology" title="Talk:Polish phonology">Talk:Polish phonology</a> or <a href="/wiki/Help_talk:IPA/Polish" title="Help talk:IPA/Polish">Help talk:IPA/Polish</a>. Maybe you can explain there why it's impossible to jump from alveolar to laminal postalveolar. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-12-18T22:09:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T21:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 18 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-12-18T22:09:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T21:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-12-18T22:09:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T21:51:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-21T11:57:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T21:51:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Aeusoes1</a>:</span> i said alveolar to retroflex, lets just move on its just some symbols <a href="/wiki/User:AleksiB_1945" title="User:AleksiB 1945">AleksiB 1945</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AleksiB_1945" title="User talk:AleksiB 1945">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-21T11:57:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T21:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:57, 21 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-21T11:57:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T21:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-21T11:57:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-18T21:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-12-21T16:10:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-21T11:57:00.000Z"></span>And I said Polish retroflex consonants are laminal postalveolar. If you want to make the changes, you can try convince the people who disagree with you. Until then, you will find resistance to your desired changes. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2020-12-21T16:10:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-21T11:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 21 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2020-12-21T16:10:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-21T11:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2020-12-21T16:10:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2020-12-21T11:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_talk:IPA/Swedish" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_talk:IPA/Swedish-2020-12-23T20:27:00.000Z"><span id="Help_talk:IPA.2FSwedish"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_talk:IPA/Swedish-2020-12-23T20:27:00.000Z"></span>Help_talk:IPA/Swedish<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_talk:IPA/Swedish-2020-12-23T20:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Help_talk:IPA/Swedish"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BP_OMowe-2020-12-23T20:27:00.000Z-Help_talk:IPA/Swedish"></span>Sentence with the now redirected link is as follows: "but some of these might be pronounced as compound personal names (like the <a href="/wiki/Carl_Gustaf_recoilless_rifle" class="mw-disambig" title="Carl Gustaf recoilless rifle">Carl Gustaf recoilless rifle</a>) with no stress on the first". Any problems with that link are now your problem to sort out. <a href="/wiki/User:BP_OMowe" title="User:BP OMowe">BP OMowe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BP_OMowe" title="User talk:BP OMowe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-BP_OMowe-2020-12-23T20:27:00.000Z-Help_talk:IPA/Swedish" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 23 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BP_OMowe-2020-12-23T20:27:00.000Z-Help_talk:IPA/Swedish"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BP_OMowe-2020-12-23T20:27:00.000Z-Help_talk:IPA/Swedish"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Indian_English" data-mw-thread-id="h-Indian_English-2021-02-10T19:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Indian_English-2021-02-10T19:43:00.000Z"></span>Indian English<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Indian_English-2021-02-10T19:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Indian English"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AleksiB_1945-2021-02-10T19:43:00.000Z-Indian_English"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Aeusoes1</a>: Hi, firstly i didnt added anything because there is an entire separate page for that getting into it in detail (if ur removing Indian for being empty you gotta also remove the Thai section) and there are way too much info if you start adding secondly India has the second highest population of English speakers so mentioning Hungary which has an English speaking population of <1 mil and not mentioning India which has an english speaking population ~125,344,737 is weird, "arguably not non-native anyway" idk what you mean by that, india does have native speakers of ~226,449 but vast majority of population the population speaks it as their 2nd or 3rd lang with a total pop of ~125,118,287 <a href="/wiki/User:AleksiB_1945" title="User:AleksiB 1945">AleksiB 1945</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AleksiB_1945" title="User talk:AleksiB 1945">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-AleksiB_1945-2021-02-10T19:43:00.000Z-Indian_English" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 10 February 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AleksiB_1945-2021-02-10T19:43:00.000Z-Indian_English"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AleksiB_1945-2021-02-10T19:43:00.000Z-Indian_English"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AleksiB_1945-2021-02-10T19:57:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2021-02-10T19:43:00.000Z"></span>You cant even grouping every single English accent in India as one for example North Indians mainly pronounce the /n t d/ as apical /ɳ ʈ ɖ/ (or postalveolar) and /θ ð/ as /t̪ʰ d̪ʱ/, an assamese person will pronounce both of them as laminal alveolars while a Malayali might mostly pronounce /n t d/ as subapical /ɳ ʈ ɖ/ but malayalam also has apical alveolar /n/ and /t:/ (but no single /d/ only an /nd/ cluster) so they are also used and north and central indians will pronounce [z] as /d͡ʒ/ while a malayali or a tamil guy will always pronounce them as [s] and a lot more differences.</dd> <dd>(ofc some people will pronounce them like they are in English) <a href="/wiki/User:AleksiB_1945" title="User:AleksiB 1945">AleksiB 1945</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AleksiB_1945" title="User talk:AleksiB 1945">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-AleksiB_1945-2021-02-10T19:57:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2021-02-10T19:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:57, 10 February 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AleksiB_1945-2021-02-10T19:57:00.000Z-AleksiB_1945-2021-02-10T19:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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Unfortunately, your revert edit summary did not contain criticism.--<a href="/wiki/User:Ser_be_etre_shi" title="User:Ser be etre shi">Ser be etre shi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ser_be_etre_shi" title="User talk:Ser be etre shi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Ser_be_etre_shi-2021-04-25T17:53:00.000Z-Phonological_history_of_Spanish_coronal_fricatives" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 25 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ser_be_etre_shi-2021-04-25T17:53:00.000Z-Phonological_history_of_Spanish_coronal_fricatives"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ser_be_etre_shi-2021-04-25T17:53:00.000Z-Phonological_history_of_Spanish_coronal_fricatives"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2021-04-29T03:34:00.000Z-Ser_be_etre_shi-2021-04-25T17:53:00.000Z"></span>Your edit summary was labeled "mostly changes to formatting". Given the very first alteration apparent in the diffs was a change of 15th century to 13th century, I surmised that this misleading edit summary was a cover for the inclusion of inaccurate and even fraudulent claims with "formatting" changes that could easily mask them. Having finally given your edit a more thorough comb through, I can confirm this to be the case.</dd> <dd>You'll have to pardon me if I didn't bother to give an explicit argument against such unjustified and inaccurate edits that were, themselves, not explicitly argued <i>for</i>; you had, for just a moment, made yourself indistinguishable from someone acting in bad faith. Regards. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2021-04-29T03:34:00.000Z-Ser_be_etre_shi-2021-04-25T17:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:34, 29 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2021-04-29T03:34:00.000Z-Ser_be_etre_shi-2021-04-25T17:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2021-04-29T03:34:00.000Z-Ser_be_etre_shi-2021-04-25T17:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="IPA/Hebrew_typeface" data-mw-thread-id="h-IPA/Hebrew_typeface-2021-04-26T02:55:00.000Z"><span id="IPA.2FHebrew_typeface"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-IPA/Hebrew_typeface-2021-04-26T02:55:00.000Z"></span>IPA/Hebrew typeface<span data-mw-comment-end="h-IPA/Hebrew_typeface-2021-04-26T02:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: IPA/Hebrew typeface"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gubboar-2021-04-26T02:55:00.000Z-IPA/Hebrew_typeface"></span>Hey, I was wondering if you could chime in wrt <a href="/wiki/Help_talk:IPA/Hebrew#Typeface_used_to_render_Hebrew_characters" title="Help talk:IPA/Hebrew">the section I added</a>. Thanks. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Gubboar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Gubboar (page does not exist)">Gubboar</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gubboar" title="User talk:Gubboar">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Gubboar-2021-04-26T02:55:00.000Z-IPA/Hebrew_typeface" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:55, 26 April 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gubboar-2021-04-26T02:55:00.000Z-IPA/Hebrew_typeface"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gubboar-2021-04-26T02:55:00.000Z-IPA/Hebrew_typeface"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RfC_notice" data-mw-thread-id="h-RfC_notice-2021-07-27T10:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RfC_notice-2021-07-27T10:52:00.000Z"></span>RfC notice<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RfC_notice-2021-07-27T10:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: RfC notice"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nardog-2021-07-27T10:52:00.000Z-RfC_notice"></span>This is a neutral notice sent to all non-bot/non-blocked registered users who edited <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Linguistics" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics</a> in the past year that there is a new request for comment at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Linguistics#RfC:_Where_should_so-called_voiceless_approximants_be_covered?" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics § RfC: Where should so-called voiceless approximants be covered?</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Nardog" title="User:Nardog">Nardog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nardog" title="User talk:Nardog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Nardog-2021-07-27T10:52:00.000Z-RfC_notice" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:52, 27 July 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nardog-2021-07-27T10:52:00.000Z-RfC_notice"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nardog-2021-07-27T10:52:00.000Z-RfC_notice"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hindi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hindi-2021-08-31T05:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hindi-2021-08-31T05:23:00.000Z"></span>Hindi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hindi-2021-08-31T05:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: Hindi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AshLin-2021-08-31T05:23:00.000Z-Hindi"></span>Hi <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Aeusoes1</a>:</span>, you [<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:IPA/Hindi_and_Urdu&diff=prev&oldid=1041518958%7Creverted">[4]</a>] some edits that I made. However since I do speak Hindi and I do not find mention of Hindi in your Babel, I am of the opinion that the words I provided are more accurate than what I edited out. I would like to know your reasoning why my edits are inaccurate. <a href="/wiki/User:AshLin" title="User:AshLin">Ashwin Baindur (User:AshLin)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AshLin" title="User talk:AshLin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-AshLin-2021-08-31T05:23:00.000Z-Hindi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:23, 31 August 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AshLin-2021-08-31T05:23:00.000Z-Hindi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AshLin-2021-08-31T05:23:00.000Z-Hindi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2021-08-31T16:28:00.000Z-AshLin-2021-08-31T05:23:00.000Z"></span>Sure. In English (or, at least, most dialects, including the standards spoken in the UK and US), the sound of <i>other</i> and <i>the</i> are <a href="/wiki/Dental_fricative" title="Dental fricative">dental fricatives</a>. The Hindi sounds are <a href="/wiki/Dental_stop" title="Dental stop">dental stops</a>. The words you provided are probably accurate for certain Indian English speakers, but this is non-standard and not helpful for our general readership. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2021-08-31T16:28:00.000Z-AshLin-2021-08-31T05:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 31 August 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2021-08-31T16:28:00.000Z-AshLin-2021-08-31T05:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2021-08-31T16:28:00.000Z-AshLin-2021-08-31T05:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AshLin-2021-09-01T01:32:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2021-08-31T16:28:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for the explanation. <a href="/wiki/User:AshLin" title="User:AshLin">Ashwin Baindur (User:AshLin)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AshLin" title="User talk:AshLin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-AshLin-2021-09-01T01:32:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2021-08-31T16:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:32, 1 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AshLin-2021-09-01T01:32:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2021-08-31T16:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AshLin-2021-09-01T01:32:00.000Z-Aeusoes1-2021-08-31T16:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Catalan" data-mw-thread-id="h-Catalan-2021-09-16T05:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Catalan-2021-09-16T05:50:00.000Z"></span>Catalan<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Catalan-2021-09-16T05:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: Catalan"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Help:IPA/Catalan" title="Help:IPA/Catalan"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nardog-2021-09-16T05:50:00.000Z-Catalan"></span>Help:IPA/Catalan</a> has kind of become a mess lately. I thought of intervening myself but I don't know where to begin, and I wonder if you're willing to take a stab at it. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Nardog" title="User:Nardog">Nardog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nardog" title="User talk:Nardog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Nardog-2021-09-16T05:50:00.000Z-Catalan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:50, 16 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nardog-2021-09-16T05:50:00.000Z-Catalan"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nardog-2021-09-16T05:50:00.000Z-Catalan"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-2021-09-16T17:00:00.000Z-Nardog-2021-09-16T05:50:00.000Z"></span>I'm a little afraid, too, but I'll see what I can do. — <a href="/wiki/User:Aeusoes1" title="User:Aeusoes1">Æµ§œš¹</a> <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA"><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><small><sub>[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]</sub></small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-Aeusoes1-2021-09-16T17:00:00.000Z-Nardog-2021-09-16T05:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 16 September 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aeusoes1-2021-09-16T17:00:00.000Z-Nardog-2021-09-16T05:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aeusoes1-2021-09-16T17:00:00.000Z-Nardog-2021-09-16T05:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message-2021-11-23T00:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message-2021-11-23T00:01:00.000Z"></span>ArbCom 2021 Elections voter message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message-2021-11-23T00:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aeusoes1&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: ArbCom 2021 Elections voter message"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table class="messagebox" style="border: 1px solid #AAA; background: ivory; padding: 0.5em; width: 100%;"> <tbody><tr><td style="vertical-align:middle; padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2021-11-23T00:01:00.000Z-ArbCom_2021_Elections_voter_message"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208"/></a></span></td><td>Hello! 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In the course of these you added references to "Thurneysen 1980, p. ?", "Gillies (1993)", "Ternes 1980, p. ?", and "Dorian 1978, pp. 60–1", but you haven't got around to defining your sources yet. This means that nobody can look the references up, and the article is added to <a href="/wiki/Category:Harv_and_Sfn_no-target_errors" title="Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors">Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors</a>. If you could supply the missing sources, and indeed the missing page numbers, it would be appreciated. <a href="/wiki/User:DuncanHill" title="User:DuncanHill">DuncanHill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DuncanHill" title="User talk:DuncanHill">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aeusoes1#c-DuncanHill-20240701233200-Scottish_Gaelic_phonology_and_orthography" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DuncanHill-20240701233200-Scottish_Gaelic_phonology_and_orthography"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DuncanHill-20240701233200-Scottish_Gaelic_phonology_and_orthography"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aeusoes1-20240720183900-DuncanHill-20240701233200"></span>I keep pretty good records of sources I use. Unfortunately, I don't see any of these sources anywhere. It's possible that I drew from content included <a href="/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic_language" class="mw-redirect" title="Scottish Gaelic language">Scottish Gaelic language</a> and simply moved things over without being meticulous about sources. It's also possible I (or whoever had added content there) got the years wrong. We're talking about 14 years ago, so I unfortunately don't recall what I was doing or thinking back then. 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