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ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Jacob_Walker-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Complimentary_not_Competing?-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Jacob_Walker-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z-Complimentary_not_Competing?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Complimentary not Competing?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Complimentary not Competing?&quot;}--><h2 id="Complimentary_not_Competing?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Complimentary_not_Competing?-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z"><span id="Complimentary_not_Competing.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Complimentary_not_Competing?-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z"></span>Complimentary not Competing?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Complimentary_not_Competing?-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Jacob_Walker-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Complimentary_not_Competing?-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Jacob_Walker-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z-Complimentary_not_Competing?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Complimentary not Competing?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Complimentary not Competing?&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacob_Walker-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z-Complimentary_not_Competing?"></span>It seems that there is some "political" history between Wikibooks and Wikiversity. I don't see why they can't compliment each other. A Wikiversity learning project can be the community/classroom surrounding a particular Wikibook. I hope that both sides (Wikibooks and Wikiversity) can let go of any emotional part, and look objectively at how the two sites can interact in a coherent manner. </p><p>In either case, I don't think this page clarifies enough what the differences are, and distinguishes what content belongs on Wikibooks and what content belongs on Wikiversity. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jacob_Walker" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Jacob Walker">Jacob Walker</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:Wikibooks#c-Jacob_Walker-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z-Complimentary_not_Competing?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jacob_Walker-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z-Complimentary_not_Competing?"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jacob_Walker-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z-Complimentary_not_Competing?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_Horning-2007-05-28T22:36:00.000Z-Jacob_Walker-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z"></span>It should be noted that it was only one admin on en.wikibooks who created a VfD notice about Wikiversity that started the whole thing off, and then I created a "new project proposal" on Meta when there were a bunch of "yeah, I want it gone too", with as many if not more "NO!, keep Wikiversity here and alive!" For Wikibooks, this was by far and away one of the most controversial and contentious issues that has ever come up, passing even the Video Game Guide issues that have plagued Wikibooks recently.</dd></dl> <dl><dd>In many respects, I'm saddened about the apparent lack of cooperation between Wikibooks and Wikiversity. I know that Wikiversity and Wikibooks do share a couple of administrators, but the idea of linking the various schools of Wikiversity with specific books on Wikibooks seems to be lost now. At the same time, I've seen the Wikiversity community simply take off and go into directions that I know that Wikiversity as a part of Wikibooks would never have done. The spark of originality and thinking of wild and crazy things seems to be happening now at Wikiversity, as it once did seem to happen on Wikibooks to a lesser extent. I just don't know how you can explain this different set of communities in such a mission statement like this page. --<a href="/wiki/User:Robert_Horning" title="User:Robert Horning">Robert Horning</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:Wikibooks#c-Robert_Horning-2007-05-28T22:36:00.000Z-Jacob_Walker-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_Horning-2007-05-28T22:36:00.000Z-Jacob_Walker-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_Horning-2007-05-28T22:36:00.000Z-Jacob_Walker-2007-05-28T21:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CQ-2007-05-29T20:59:00.000Z-Robert_Horning-2007-05-28T22:36:00.000Z"></span>Au contraire</i>, Robert. <i>Many</i> Wikiversity participants have habitually kept Wikibooks content in mind since the creation of Wikiversity as its own <a href="/wiki/Wikimedia" title="Wikimedia">Wikimedia</a> project. See <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity_and_Wikibooks_services" title="Wikiversity and Wikibooks services">Wikiversity and Wikibooks services</a> for some examples of <b>Service activities in support of Wikibooks</b> -- <a href="/wiki/User:CQ" title="User:CQ">CQ</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:Wikibooks#c-CQ-2007-05-29T20:59:00.000Z-Robert_Horning-2007-05-28T22:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CQ-2007-05-29T20:59:00.000Z-Robert_Horning-2007-05-28T22:36:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a 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data-mw-comment-end="c-JWSchmidt-2007-05-29T23:59:00.000Z-CQ-2007-05-29T20:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-02-16T19:54:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Do_we_have_a_Transwiki_template_from_here_to_WV_?-2008-02-16T19:54:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-02-16T19:54:00.000Z-Do_we_have_a_Transwiki_template_from_here_to_WV_?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Do we have a Transwiki template from here to WV\u00a0?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Do we have a Transwiki template from here to WV ?&quot;}--><h2 id="Do_we_have_a_Transwiki_template_from_here_to_WV_?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Do_we_have_a_Transwiki_template_from_here_to_WV_?-2008-02-16T19:54:00.000Z"><span id="Do_we_have_a_Transwiki_template_from_here_to_WV_.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Do_we_have_a_Transwiki_template_from_here_to_WV_?-2008-02-16T19:54:00.000Z"></span>Do we have a Transwiki template from here to WV ?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Do_we_have_a_Transwiki_template_from_here_to_WV_?-2008-02-16T19:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikibooks&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="Edit section&#039;s source code: Do we have a Transwiki template from here to WV ?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-02-16T19:54:00.000Z-Do_we_have_a_Transwiki_template_from_here_to_WV_?">16 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-02-16T19:54:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Do_we_have_a_Transwiki_template_from_here_to_WV_?-2008-02-16T19:54:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-02-16T19:54:00.000Z-Do_we_have_a_Transwiki_template_from_here_to_WV_?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Do we have a Transwiki template from here to WV\u00a0?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Do we have a Transwiki template from here to WV ?&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-02-16T19:54:00.000Z-Do_we_have_a_Transwiki_template_from_here_to_WV_?"></span>Hi, I was just asked this. Did not find anything besides <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Reading_room/Administrative_Assistance/Archive3#Wikiversity_to_Wikibooks...">this</a>. ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> (<a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat"><small>Wikiversity:Chat</small></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz/observations" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz/observations"><small>wiki blog</small></a>) <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:Wikibooks#c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-02-16T19:54:00.000Z-Do_we_have_a_Transwiki_template_from_here_to_WV_?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-02-16T19:54:00.000Z-Do_we_have_a_Transwiki_template_from_here_to_WV_?"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement 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ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Mike.lifeguard-2008-10-21T18:19:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Out_of_date-2008-10-21T18:19:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Mike.lifeguard-2008-10-21T18:19:00.000Z-Out_of_date&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Out of date&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Out of date&quot;}--><h2 id="Out_of_date" data-mw-thread-id="h-Out_of_date-2008-10-21T18:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Out_of_date-2008-10-21T18:19:00.000Z"></span>Out of date<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Out_of_date-2008-10-21T18:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikibooks&amp;action=edit&amp;section=3" title="Edit section&#039;s source code: Out of date"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Jade_Knight-2008-10-21T19:46:00.000Z-Mike.lifeguard-2008-10-21T19:36:00.000Z">16 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Mike.lifeguard-2008-10-21T18:19:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Out_of_date-2008-10-21T18:19:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Mike.lifeguard-2008-10-21T18:19:00.000Z-Out_of_date&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Out of date&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Out of date&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mike.lifeguard-2008-10-21T18:19:00.000Z-Out_of_date"></span>This is out of date, and should be fixed up. <b>– <a href="/wiki/User:Mike.lifeguard" title="User:Mike.lifeguard"><span style="font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;color:Indigo;background-color:transparent">Mike</span></a>.<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mike.lifeguard" title="User talk:Mike.lifeguard"><span style="font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;color:Indigo;background-color:transparent">lifeguard</span></a></b> | <sup><a href="https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike.lifeguard" class="extiw" title="b:User talk:Mike.lifeguard"><span style="font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;color:Indigo;background-color:transparent">@en.wb</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:Wikibooks#c-Mike.lifeguard-2008-10-21T18:19:00.000Z-Out_of_date" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 21 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mike.lifeguard-2008-10-21T18:19:00.000Z-Out_of_date"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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style="font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;color:Indigo;background-color:transparent">@en.wb</span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:Wikibooks#c-Mike.lifeguard-2008-10-21T19:36:00.000Z-Jade_Knight-2008-10-21T19:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 21 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mike.lifeguard-2008-10-21T19:36:00.000Z-Jade_Knight-2008-10-21T19:16:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon 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