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class="bookmarkadd-private"> <span class="bookmarkadd-share-text private">非公開</span> </span> </label> </div> <div class="bookmarkadd-cancel-and-submit-buttons js-buttons-container"> <input class="bookmarkadd-submit-btn js-bookmarkadd-submit-btn" type="submit" value="ブックマーク"> </div> </div> </div> <p class="bookmarkadd-externalHelp is-hidden js-bookmarkadd-externalHelp-general-myBookmarkPrivate" > <span>現在プライベートモードです<span> <a href="/-/my/config/profile" class="bookmarkadd-externalHelp-link">設定を変更する</a> </p> </form> <div class="js-bookmarkadd-tagList is-hidden"> <h3 class="bookmarkadd-tagList-title js-bookmarkadd-recommended-tagList-title"><span>おすすめタグ<span><a href="/help/entry/tag" target="_blank">タグについて</a></h3> <ul class="bookmarkadd-tagList-contents js-bookmarkadd-recommended-tagList-contents"> </ul> <h3 class="bookmarkadd-tagList-title often js-bookmarkadd-frequent-tagList-title"><span>よく使うタグ</span><button type="button" class="js-bookmarkadd-frequent-tagList-button">すべて表示</button></h3> <ul class="bookmarkadd-tagList-contents js-bookmarkadd-frequent-tagList-contents"> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="bookmark-guest-register-modal js-bookmark-guest-register-modal is-hidden" aria-label="閉じる"> <div class="bookmark-guest-register-modal-inner js-modal-inner"> <button type="button" class="bookmark-guest-register-modal-close js-modal-close-button"> <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="5748.793 -620.207 21.414 21.414"> <defs><style>.cls-1 { fill: none; stroke-width: 2px; }</style></defs> <g> <title>閉じる</title> <desc>モーダルを閉じます</desc> <path id="line1" d="M5769.5-619.5l-20 20"/><path id="line2" d="M5769.5-599.5l-20-20"/> </g> </svg> </button> <img src="/images/v4/public/bookmark-logo.png" class="entry-modal-guest-register-logo" alt="はてなブックマーク"> <h2 class="entry-modal-guest-register-title">はてなブックマークで<br>関心をシェアしよう</h2> <p class="entry-modal-guest-register-description">みんなの興味と感想が集まることで<br>新しい発見や、深堀りがもっと楽しく</p> <a href="#" data-gtm-click-label="entry-modal-guest-register-button" class="entry-modal-guest-register-button js-register-link" rel="noreferrer">ユーザー登録</a> <p class="entry-modal-guest-login">アカウントをお持ちの方は<a href="https://www.hatena.ne.jp/login?location=https%3A%2F%2Fb.hatena.ne.jp%2Fentry%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Ftogetter.com%252Fli%252F2527809" data-gtm-click-label="entry-modal-guest-login" rel="noreferrer">ログインページ</a>へ</p> </div> </div> <div class="entry-ad-pc-text"> <div id="entry-text-ad"></div> </div> <div class="entry-ad-sp-banner"> <div id="entry-ad-sp-upon-comments"></div> </div> <div class="entry-comments"> <h3 class="entry-comment-title">記事へのコメント<span>39</span>件</h3> <div class="js-bookmarks-sort-tabs-group entry-comment" data-popular-count="10"> <div class="entry-comment-tabs js-bookmarks-sort-tabs"> <ul class="entry-comment-tab"> <li role="button" class="js-bookmarks-sort-tab is-active" data-sort="popular">注目コメント</li> <li role="button" class="js-bookmarks-sort-tab" data-sort="recent">新着コメント</li> </ul> </div> <div class="bookmarks-sort-panels js-bookmarks-sort-panels"> <script type="text/x-template" id="autoloader-bookmark-item"> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="{{user_name}}" data-url="{{bookmarked_url}}" > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="{{user_page_path}}" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-{{ sort }}-icon"><img src="{{profile_image_url}}"/ alt="{{user_name}}" title="{{user_name}}"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" ><a href="{{user_page_path}}" data-gtm-label="entry-{{ sort }}-username" ><span >{{user_name}}</span></a></span> <span class="status {{ #is_public }}is-hidden{{ /is_public }}"><img src="https://b.st-hatena.com/21bb37de101e3d895eac61554a1ca07012b63961/images/v4/public/userpage/icon-private.svg" alt="非公開" width="10px" height="10px"></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" >{{{comment_expanded}}}</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> {{{tags}}} </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-{{ sort }}-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp{{anchor_path}}" >{{created}}</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-{{ sort }}-permalink" href="{{comment_page_path}}" rel="{{#should_nofollow}}nofollow{{/should_nofollow}}">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="{{location_id}}" data-user-name="{{user_name}}" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button{{#enable_button}} is-enabled{{/enable_button}}" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </script> <script type="text/x-template" id="template-short-url-click"> {{#tweet_url}} <a href="{{tweet_url}}" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-gtm-click-label="reaction-twitter-clicks"><span>{{count}} clicks</span></a> {{/tweet_url}} {{^tweet_url}} <span>{{count}} clicks</span> {{/tweet_url}} </script> <div class="is-active bookmarks-sort-panel js-bookmarks-sort-panel" data-sort="popular"> <div class="js-bookmarks js-bookmarks-popular"> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="ykhmfst2012" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/ykhmfst2012/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/ykhmfst2012/profile.png"/ alt="ykhmfst2012" title="ykhmfst2012"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/ykhmfst2012/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >ykhmfst2012</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >なんかインターネッツの自称エンジニアさんて資格大好きだよね。何の役にも立たない民間資格とってドヤ顔で勉強してるアピの人事部メンを思い出すわ。そんなに資格好きなら医師か公認会計士でも取れば将来安泰だよ。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/ykhmfst2012/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T12:11:54Z" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/ykhmfst2012" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="ykhmfst2012" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="sangping" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/sangping/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/sangping/profile.png"/ alt="sangping" title="sangping"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/sangping/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >sangping</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >なんとか最大公約数的な話をしようと頑張っている人が多いが、どう頑張っても雑に「工場」で括って説得力のある話を導き出すのは不可能だろ。あまりにも主語が大雑把すぎるんよ。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/sangping/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T14:03:10Z" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/sangping" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="sangping" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="catan_coton" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/catan_coton/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/catan_coton/profile.png"/ alt="catan_coton" title="catan_coton"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/catan_coton/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >catan_coton</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >ソフトウェアエンジニアのこの手の驕り高ぶりが、ほんっとうに、ほんっとうに嫌い。AIに淘汰されるのはお前らで工場の作業員や設備関係のエンジニアは無くならんぞ。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/catan_coton/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T11:18:21Z" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/catan_coton" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="catan_coton" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="www6" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/www6/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/www6/profile.png"/ alt="www6" title="www6"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/www6/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >www6</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >この手のソフトウェアエンジニアみたいなのがネット強者面して、Fラン潰して高卒で肉体労働させろみたいな言説をばら撒いてんだよ。歪だよね</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/www6/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T11:42:16Z" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/www6" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="www6" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="mekisimix" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/mekisimix/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/mekisimix/profile.png"/ alt="mekisimix" title="mekisimix"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/mekisimix/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >mekisimix</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >ITエンジニアはスキマ時間見つけて自己学習出来るし仕事効率化して時間圧縮出来る。工場以外でも仕事をフルで拘束される業界は自己学習なんて身を削ってやるもの。エンジニアは世間知らなさすぎ</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/mekisimix/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T09:42:38Z" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/mekisimix" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="mekisimix" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="ikebukuro3" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/ikebukuro3/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/ikebukuro3/profile.png"/ alt="ikebukuro3" title="ikebukuro3"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/ikebukuro3/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >ikebukuro3</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >システム屋でも要件定義とかやる時は必ず現場視察とかするはずなのだが。なんでそれで工場の仕事とか知らんのかね</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/ikebukuro3/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T10:50:17Z" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/ikebukuro3" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="ikebukuro3" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser 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src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/arguediscuss/profile.png"/ alt="arguediscuss" title="arguediscuss"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/arguediscuss/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >arguediscuss</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >自分の職場経験が日本の大部分の職場と同様であると思わない方がいいというか、多様な職場・職業があり、給与の多寡も心身の疲れ方も多様だと知るべきだと思う。いろいろな人生があると知らない人の強い意見は怖い</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/arguediscuss/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T13:49:11Z" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/arguediscuss" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="arguediscuss" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="astefalcon" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/astefalcon/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/astefalcon/profile.png"/ alt="astefalcon" title="astefalcon"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/astefalcon/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >astefalcon</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >工場で働いてるエンジニアが単純肉体労働してるわけないだろっていう。あまりにもエアプすぎないか。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/astefalcon/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T13:08:02Z" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/astefalcon" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="astefalcon" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="BT931" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/BT931/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/BT931/profile.png"/ alt="BT931" title="BT931"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/BT931/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >BT931</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >かといって工場業務の作業強度もピンキリなので、一括りに工場はハードなんて言うのは暴論です。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a 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entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="beeeyond" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/beeeyond/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/beeeyond/profile.png"/ alt="beeeyond" title="beeeyond"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/beeeyond/" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >beeeyond</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >オフィスワークの時はそれなりに自分の裁量で動けるけど､工場(ライン)に入るとトイレに行く余裕すらなくなって本当にしんどいです｡流れ作業なりのプレッシャーもありますし｡</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-popular-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/beeeyond/20250321#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-21T00:04:58Z" >2025/03/21</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-popular-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/beeeyond" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="beeeyond" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem 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itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/th_6295/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >th_6295</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >そもそも「配属希望を無視されて工場」がふわっとし過ぎてるしそんな頻繁に発生するかなぁ？という感じなので、このシチュ自体虚偽かサンプル1人ぐらいじゃないかと思ってしまう。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/th_6295/20250323#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-23T09:06:59Z" >2025/03/23</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/th_6295" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="th_6295" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="settu-jp" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/settu-jp/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/settu-jp/profile.png"/ alt="settu-jp" title="settu-jp"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/settu-jp/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >settu-jp</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >ほんとに「肉体労働」って完全に「肉体しか使わない」と思っているひともおおいんだあ！</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/settu-jp/20250322#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-22T02:40:52Z" >2025/03/22</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/settu-jp" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="settu-jp" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="nobodyplace" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/nobodyplace/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/nobodyplace/profile.png"/ alt="nobodyplace" title="nobodyplace"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/nobodyplace/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >nobodyplace</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >勉強しろっていうのもわからなくはないけど、1回働いて見ろとも思うね</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/nobodyplace/20250322#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-21T22:00:17Z" >2025/03/22</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/nobodyplace" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="nobodyplace" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="summoned" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/summoned/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/summoned/profile.png"/ alt="summoned" title="summoned"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/summoned/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >summoned</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >そんなに資格好きなら医者や公認会計士～なんて極論の嫌味に星ﾋﾟｶﾋﾟｶﾋﾟｶﾋﾟｶさせるブクマカ多すぎだろ。ジャンルも違うし取得は年単位だし怒りで吐き捨てただけの詭弁に乗っかるなよ</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/summoned/20250321#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-21T05:39:55Z" >2025/03/21</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/summoned" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="summoned" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="togetter" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/togetter/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/togetter/profile.png"/ alt="togetter" title="togetter"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/togetter/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >togetter</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >肉体的に疲れてるときって、必要最低限の家事をこなすだけで精一杯なんだよね…。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/togetter/Togetter/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">Togetter</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/togetter/20250321#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-21T04:38:51Z" >2025/03/21</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/togetter" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="togetter" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="cinq_na" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/cinq_na/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/cinq_na/profile.png"/ alt="cinq_na" title="cinq_na"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/cinq_na/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >cinq_na</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >残業30h超えると勉強時間の確保がしんどい。報奨金を考えると時給5000～1万円とかなんで頑張ったけどさ。3/31までに受かれば30万、4/1から5万とか就業規則変わったんで、残り一週間で40時間くらい勉強した、もうやらない</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/cinq_na/20250321#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-21T02:24:38Z" >2025/03/21</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/cinq_na" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="cinq_na" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="mobanama" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/mobanama/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/mobanama/profile.png"/ alt="mobanama" title="mobanama"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/mobanama/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >mobanama</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >"オフィスでの「残業」の意味と工場での「残業」の意味は全く違うというのは擁護したい。ry工場でフルタイム働いてその後に何か出来る人間は超人の類いよ"</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/mobanama/20250321#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-21T01:23:35Z" >2025/03/21</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/mobanama" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="mobanama" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" 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data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >arearekorekore</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >クソカスSES企業は工場に飛ばすような所カスだが、そこから抜け出して本当にソフトウェアエンジニアになりたいのであれば最低限の能力をつけないと一生ループから抜け出せないっていう現実</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/arearekorekore/20250321#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-21T00:48:42Z" >2025/03/21</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/arearekorekore" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="arearekorekore" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="beeeyond" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/beeeyond/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/beeeyond/profile.png"/ alt="beeeyond" title="beeeyond"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" ><a href="/beeeyond/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" ><span >beeeyond</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" >オフィスワークの時はそれなりに自分の裁量で動けるけど､工場(ライン)に入るとトイレに行く余裕すらなくなって本当にしんどいです｡流れ作業なりのプレッシャーもありますし｡</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/beeeyond/20250321#bookmark-4767838754476417985" >2025/03/21</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/beeeyond" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="beeeyond" 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data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >daruyanagi</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >“工事現場で作業員やって、指導監督的仕事やって、残業までして施工管理取る人とか山ほどいるぞ。彼らが全員超人とは思えない”　おれもそう思うよ</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/daruyanagi/20250321#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T23:47:13Z" >2025/03/21</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/daruyanagi" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="daruyanagi" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="nikutetu" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/nikutetu/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/nikutetu/profile.png"/ alt="nikutetu" title="nikutetu"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/nikutetu/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >nikutetu</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >高卒で夜勤ありの交代制で8時〜20時、20時〜8時で立ち仕事したら足腰の疲れで勉強しようなんて考え頭にないから。製造業はその現場にいたことがない人の差別感情はひどい。ぶん殴ら[れてもしょうがないとすら思える。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/nikutetu/20250321#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T21:50:21Z" >2025/03/21</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/nikutetu" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="nikutetu" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser 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src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/mk173/profile.png"/ alt="mk173" title="mk173"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/mk173/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >mk173</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >プロレタリアート文学は現代でも</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/mk173/20250321#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T20:57:00Z" >2025/03/21</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/mk173" itemprop="url" rel="nofollow">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="mk173" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem 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data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/straychef/profile.png"/ alt="straychef" title="straychef"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/straychef/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >straychef</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >工場じゃなかろうといわゆるデスクワークで残業の有無に関係なく通常勤務してたらヘトヘトだろ　仮に資格とかいうなら業務時間内にしか学習はしない　業務に関係あるのは時間内　それ以外はプライベートタイムだ</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/straychef/20250321#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T20:39:35Z" >2025/03/21</a></span> <span 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itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/kagerou_ts/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/kagerou_ts/profile.png"/ alt="kagerou_ts" title="kagerou_ts"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/kagerou_ts/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >kagerou_ts</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >そもそも持ち出しで仕事に必要な勉強や資格取るのを当たり前みたく言うな。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/kagerou_ts/20250321#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T18:24:48Z" >2025/03/21</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/kagerou_ts" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="kagerou_ts" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="dalmacija" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/dalmacija/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/dalmacija/profile.png"/ alt="dalmacija" title="dalmacija"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/dalmacija/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >dalmacija</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >こうやって知恵と経験の不足で機会損失を抱えてるんだから別にいいのでは</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/dalmacija/20250321#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T16:33:13Z" >2025/03/21</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/dalmacija" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="dalmacija" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="Baybridge" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/Baybridge/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/Baybridge/profile.png"/ alt="Baybridge" title="Baybridge"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/Baybridge/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >Baybridge</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >元ツイも含めて色々工場勤務の解像度が低い。少なくとも技術者が交代勤務していることはまれ。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> <li class=""><a href="/Baybridge/togetter/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">togetter</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/Baybridge/%E5%B7%A5%E5%A0%B4/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">工場</a></li> <li class=""><a href="/Baybridge/%E4%BB%95%E4%BA%8B/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-tags">仕事</a></li> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/Baybridge/20250321#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T16:20:37Z" >2025/03/21</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/Baybridge" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="Baybridge" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="hunglysheep1" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/hunglysheep1/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/hunglysheep1/profile.png"/ alt="hunglysheep1" title="hunglysheep1"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/hunglysheep1/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >hunglysheep1</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >工場にもいろんな仕事あるよな。ベルトコンベアーのやつも、組み立て、修理、症状再現しない調査、メンテナンス、SEやネットワークエンジニアもいるし/ベルトコンベアーのやつを数時間やったけど僕には適正が無かった</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/hunglysheep1/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T14:24:09Z" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/hunglysheep1" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="hunglysheep1" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="sangping" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/sangping/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/sangping/profile.png"/ alt="sangping" title="sangping"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" ><a href="/sangping/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" ><span >sangping</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" >なんとか最大公約数的な話をしようと頑張っている人が多いが、どう頑張っても雑に「工場」で括って説得力のある話を導き出すのは不可能だろ。あまりにも主語が大雑把すぎるんよ。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/sangping/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/sangping" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="sangping" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="arguediscuss" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/arguediscuss/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/arguediscuss/profile.png"/ alt="arguediscuss" title="arguediscuss"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" ><a href="/arguediscuss/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" ><span >arguediscuss</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" >自分の職場経験が日本の大部分の職場と同様であると思わない方がいいというか、多様な職場・職業があり、給与の多寡も心身の疲れ方も多様だと知るべきだと思う。いろいろな人生があると知らない人の強い意見は怖い</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/arguediscuss/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/arguediscuss" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="arguediscuss" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="y-wood" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/y-wood/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/y-wood/profile.png"/ alt="y-wood" title="y-wood"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/y-wood/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >y-wood</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >工場勤務だと、夜勤とか、3直連勤とかに入った方が手当でブイブイ言わせられると思ってた、違うのね。でも工場勤務で残業と手当が無ければ悲惨じゃない？平成までは稼げてた、工場の駐車場は高級車が並んでるのに。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/y-wood/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T13:42:41Z" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/y-wood" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" 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href="/bloglider/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >bloglider</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >ミッションクリティカルなシステムでデータセンターのコンソール使って二週間ほど昼夜二交替で試験やった時は辛かった。冷えた風が常に吹いてて山の中に居るかのようだった。その上で相当に煩いという。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/bloglider/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T13:31:50Z" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/bloglider" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="bloglider" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="by-king" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/by-king/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/by-king/profile.png"/ alt="by-king" title="by-king"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/by-king/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >by-king</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >そもそもエンジニアとはって話をするなら、工場で物作ってる人もエンジニアと呼ぶのである</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/by-king/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T13:28:14Z" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/by-king" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="by-king" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="moodyzfcd" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/moodyzfcd/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/moodyzfcd/profile.png"/ alt="moodyzfcd" title="moodyzfcd"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/moodyzfcd/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >moodyzfcd</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >"ITじゃないところにも届き始めてややこしい事に" "SESで開発やらせると言っておいて工場に行かせるSES企業がすごく多いんですが、その話" <a href="https://x.com/TomoEqual/status/1902205438478725326" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">https://x.com/TomoEqual/status/1902205438478725326</a> <a href="https://x.com/TomoEqual/status/1902705884842930526" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">https://x.com/TomoEqual/status/1902705884842930526</a></span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/moodyzfcd/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T13:12:26Z" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/moodyzfcd" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="moodyzfcd" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="astefalcon" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/astefalcon/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/astefalcon/profile.png"/ alt="astefalcon" title="astefalcon"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" ><a href="/astefalcon/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" ><span >astefalcon</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" >工場で働いてるエンジニアが単純肉体労働してるわけないだろっていう。あまりにもエアプすぎないか。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/astefalcon/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/astefalcon" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="astefalcon" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="pptp" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/pptp/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/pptp/profile.png"/ alt="pptp" title="pptp"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/pptp/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >pptp</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >新卒採用時の話？中途なら希望してない工場に行かされる意味がわからないんだが</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/pptp/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T13:07:44Z" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/pptp" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="pptp" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" role="button"><span>その他</span></div> <div class="ui-contextMenu-list entry-comment-menu-more-list"> <ul tabindex="-1"> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-followuser js-entry-comment-followuser">お気に入りに追加</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unfollowuser js-entry-comment-unfollowuser is-hidden">お気に入りを解除</button> </li> <li> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-ignoreuser js-entry-comment-ignoreuser">ユーザーを非表示</button> <button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-unignoreuser js-entry-comment-unignoreuser is-hidden" data-unignore-msg-hover="ユーザーを表示" data-unignore-msg="非表示に設定済み"><span class="is-hidden">ユーザーを表示</span></button> </li> <li><button type="button" class="ui-contextMenu-listItem entry-comment-reportViolation js-bookmark-report-violation-button">通報する</button></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="entry-comment-contents js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="anmin7" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" itemprop="comment" itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemscope > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/anmin7/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/anmin7/profile.png"/ alt="anmin7" title="anmin7"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" itemprop="author" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemscope ><a href="/anmin7/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" itemprop="url" ><span itemprop="name" >anmin7</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" itemprop="text" >検査バキバキにやりつつ必要があったら現場行ってをこなしながら必要資格取ってついでにセコカンも取ったがまあ残業は割と無理よ。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/anmin7/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" itemprop="datePublished" content="2025-03-20T13:02:40Z" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> <a data-gtm-label="entry-recent-permalink" href="/entry/4767838754476417985/comment/anmin7" itemprop="url" rel="">リンク</a> </span> <span class="list-star-container js-list-star-container"></span> <span class="twitter-click js-short-url-clicks"></span> </p> <div class="entry-comment-menus"> <div class="js-add-star-container add-star-container"></div> <div data-location-id="4767838754476417985" data-user-name="anmin7" class="is-hidden js-bookmark-downvote-container entry-comment-menu-minusvote"> <input type="checkbox" class="js-bookmark-downvote-checkbox entry-comment-menu-minusvote-checkbox" title="マイナス評価"> </div> <div class="ui-contextMenu entry-comment-menu-more js-bookmark-menu-button" onclick> <div class="ui-contextMenu-btn entry-comment-menu-more-btn" tabindex="0" 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js-ignorable-user-content js-bookmark-item js-user-bookmark-comment" data-user-name="BT931" data-url="https://togetter.com/li/2527809" > <div class="entry-comment-contents-main"> <a href="/BT931/" class="entry-user-icon" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-icon"><img src="https://cdn.profile-image.st-hatena.com/users/BT931/profile.png"/ alt="BT931" title="BT931"></a> <div class="entry-comments-contents-body"> <span class="entry-comment-username" ><a href="/BT931/" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-username" ><span >BT931</span></a></span> <span class="entry-comment-text js-bookmark-comment" >かといって工場業務の作業強度もピンキリなので、一括りに工場はハードなんて言うのは暴論です。</span> <ul class="entry-comment-tags"> </ul> <div class="entry-comment-contents-foot"> <p class="entry-comment-meta"> <span class="entry-comment-timestamp"><a class="js-bookmark-anchor-path" data-gtm-label="entry-recent-timestamp" href="https://b.hatena.ne.jp/BT931/20250320#bookmark-4767838754476417985" >2025/03/20</a></span> <span class="entry-comment-permalink"> 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