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padding: 1em;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="padding:0.6em 0 0.25em;"> <div style="width:100%; overflow:hidden;"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Archiving icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/40px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/60px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg/80px-Replacement_filing_cabinet.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="200" data-file-height="200" /></a></span><br /><b>Archives</b></div> </td></tr><tr> <td class="plainlinks"> </td></tr><tr><td class="plainlinks" style="padding:0px 10px; text-align:left;"> <p><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley/Archive1" title="User talk:Tim riley/Archive1">2005–2010</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley/Archive2" title="User talk:Tim riley/Archive2">2011</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley/Archive3" title="User talk:Tim riley/Archive3">2012</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley/Archive4" title="User talk:Tim riley/Archive4">2013</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley/Archive5" title="User talk:Tim riley/Archive5">2014</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley/Archive-2015" title="User talk:Tim riley/Archive-2015">2015</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley/Archive18" title="User talk:Tim riley/Archive18">2016</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley/Archive23" title="User talk:Tim riley/Archive23">2017</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley/Archive24" title="User talk:Tim riley/Archive24">2018</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley/Archive25" title="User talk:Tim riley/Archive25">2019</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley/Archive42" title="User talk:Tim riley/Archive42">2020</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley/Archive43" title="User talk:Tim riley/Archive43">2021</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley/Archive44" title="User talk:Tim riley/Archive44">2022</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley/Archive45" title="User talk:Tim riley/Archive45">2023</a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley/Archive47" title="User talk:Tim riley/Archive47">2024</a> </p> </td> </tr><tr><td style="padding-bottom:11px"><div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="searchbox" class="searchbox mw-inputbox-form" action="/wiki/Special:Search"><div class="cdx-text-input"><input class="mw-inputbox-input mw-searchInput searchboxInput cdx-text-input__input" name="search" placeholder="" size="22" dir="ltr" /></div><input type="hidden" value="User talk:Tim riley/" name="prefix" /><br /><input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Search archives" class="cdx-button" /><input type="hidden" value="Search" name="fulltext" /></form></div> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc" /> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="2025" data-mw-thread-id="h-2025"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-2025"></span>2025<span data-mw-comment-end="h-2025"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tim_riley&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: 2025"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Happy 2025 to all visiting this page.<br /> <a href="/wiki/User:Tim_riley" title="User:Tim riley">Tim</a> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="His_Master's_Voice" data-mw-thread-id="h-His_Master's_Voice-20250105154600"><span id="His_Master.27s_Voice"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-His_Master's_Voice-20250105154600"></span>His Master's Voice<span data-mw-comment-end="h-His_Master's_Voice-20250105154600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tim_riley&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: His Master's Voice"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Icaldonta-20250105154600-His_Master's_Voice"></span>Hello! Thank you for the post on my talk page. I have been working tirelessly on "His Master's Voice" related matters for the past couple of months, trying to understand the fragmented history of the brand. Unfortunately, most recordings on Wikipedia use the article <a href="/wiki/His_Master%27s_Voice" title="His Master's Voice">His Master's Voice</a> as a label, however this page is strictly about the painting and trademark that was sold in 1899. </p><p>I turned <a href="/wiki/List_of_HMV_POP_artists" class="mw-redirect" title="List of HMV POP artists">List of HMV POP artists</a> to <a href="/wiki/His_Master%27s_Voice_(British_record_label)" title="His Master's Voice (British record label)">His Master's Voice (British record label)</a> and began removing the <a href="/wiki/His_Master%27s_Voice" title="His Master's Voice">His Master's Voice</a> on the recording pages and replacing it with <a href="/wiki/His_Master%27s_Voice_(British_record_label)" title="His Master's Voice (British record label)">His Master's Voice (British record label)</a> under the belief that 'His Master's Voice' became its own record label in 1952 when the Gramophone Company ventured into pop music. However, on further inspection, all His Master's Voice releases still have The Gramophone Company Limited imprinted on them. And then doing some further research, His Master's Voice was never incorporated as a recording company, only as a retailer. </p><p>There is no debate that the American releases using the <a href="/wiki/His_Master%27s_Voice" title="His Master's Voice">His Master's Voice</a> trademark and artwork are <a href="/wiki/Victor_Talking_Machine_Company" title="Victor Talking Machine Company">Victor Talking Machine Company</a> or <a href="/wiki/RCA_Victor" class="mw-redirect" title="RCA Victor">RCA Victor</a> releases. </p><p>In an attempt to resolve this, I have made a merge proposal on the <a href="/wiki/Gramophone_Company" title="Gramophone Company">Gramophone Company</a> and <a href="/wiki/His_Master%27s_Voice_(British_record_label)" title="His Master's Voice (British record label)">His Master's Voice (British record label)</a> that I invite you to join. Many thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Icaldonta" title="User:Icaldonta">Icaldonta</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Icaldonta" title="User talk:Icaldonta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Icaldonta-20250105154600-His_Master's_Voice" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Icaldonta-20250105154600-His_Master's_Voice"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Icaldonta-20250105154600-His_Master's_Voice"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="File:Hérold-by-David-d’Angers.jpg_listed_for_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:Hérold-by-David-d’Angers.jpg_listed_for_discussion-20250106091500"><span id="File:H.C3.A9rold-by-David-d.E2.80.99Angers.jpg_listed_for_discussion"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:Hérold-by-David-d’Angers.jpg_listed_for_discussion-20250106091500"></span>File:Hérold-by-David-d’Angers.jpg listed for discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:Hérold-by-David-d’Angers.jpg_listed_for_discussion-20250106091500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tim_riley&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: File:Hérold-by-David-d’Angers.jpg listed for discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iruka13-20250106091500-File:Hérold-by-David-d’Angers.jpg_listed_for_discussion"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/30px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/45px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/60px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> A file that you uploaded or altered, <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:H%C3%A9rold-by-David-d%E2%80%99Angers.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Hérold-by-David-d’Angers.jpg (page does not exist)">File:Hérold-by-David-d’Angers.jpg</a>, has been listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Files for discussion">Wikipedia:Files for discussion</a>. Please see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2025_January_6#File:Hérold-by-David-d’Angers.jpg" title="Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2025 January 6"><b>discussion</b></a> to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. — Ирука<sup><a href="/wiki/User:Iruka13" title="User:Iruka13">13</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Iruka13-20250106091500-File:Hérold-by-David-d’Angers.jpg_listed_for_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iruka13-20250106091500-File:Hérold-by-David-d’Angers.jpg_listed_for_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iruka13-20250106091500-File:Hérold-by-David-d’Angers.jpg_listed_for_discussion"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20250106095000-Iruka13-20250106091500"></span>Another waste of time deletion nomination: I've swapped the image on the article with the one from Commons, where it is freely and adequately licensed. There's no issue with it here, but as there's a Commons copy, that may as well be used (Iruka13 is blocked on Commons for "wikilawyering, contributing in bad faith and other tangential nonsense", so there is no danger that their version will face a similarly spurious deletion; hasten the day the process is repeated here). - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-SchroCat-20250106095000-Iruka13-20250106091500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20250106095000-Iruka13-20250106091500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20250106095000-Iruka13-20250106091500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_for_Home_and_Beauty" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_for_Home_and_Beauty-20250106120200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_for_Home_and_Beauty-20250106120200"></span>DYK for Home and Beauty<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_for_Home_and_Beauty-20250106120200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tim_riley&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: DYK for Home and Beauty"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20250106120200-DYK_for_Home_and_Beauty"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256334245">.mw-parser-output .ivmbox{margin-bottom:1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,#fdf2d5);padding:0.5em;display:flex;align-items:center}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-image{padding-left:1px;padding-right:0.5em;max-width:100px;flex:1 0 25px}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text{padding:0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:first-child{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:last-child{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="flex-basis: 40px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Updated_DYK_query.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/40px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="81" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/60px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/80px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="35" data-file-height="71" /></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>On <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2025/January#6_January_2025" title="Wikipedia:Recent additions/2025/January">6 January 2025</a>, <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know" title="Template:Did you know">Did you know</a></b> was updated with a fact from the article <i><b><a href="/wiki/Home_and_Beauty" title="Home and Beauty">Home and Beauty</a></b></i>, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was <i>... that </i><b><a href="/wiki/Home_and_Beauty" title="Home and Beauty">Home and Beauty</a></b><i> has been described as both a "little masterpiece of polite merriment" and a "misogynist comedy dipped in vitriol"?</i> The nomination discussion and review may be seen at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Home_and_Beauty" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Home and Beauty">Template:Did you know nominations/Home and Beauty</a>. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Rjanag/Pageview_stats" title="User:Rjanag/Pageview stats">here's how</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?start=2024-12-27&end=2025-01-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Home_and_Beauty">Home and Beauty</a>)</small>, and the hook may be added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Statistics/Monthly_DYK_pageview_leaders" title="Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders">the statistics page</a> after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know" title="Template talk:Did you know">Did you know talk page</a>. </p> </div> </div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29" title="User talk:AirshipJungleman29">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-AirshipJungleman29-20250106120200-DYK_for_Home_and_Beauty" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20250106120200-DYK_for_Home_and_Beauty"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20250106120200-DYK_for_Home_and_Beauty"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Opinion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Opinion-20250111115000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Opinion-20250111115000"></span>Opinion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Opinion-20250111115000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tim_riley&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Opinion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSincccc-20250111115000-Opinion"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tim_riley" title="User:Tim riley">Tim riley</a> Is the use of false titles permitted in an article nominated at FAC? Looking forward to your response. Regards. <a href="/wiki/User:MSincccc" title="User:MSincccc">MSincccc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSincccc" title="User talk:MSincccc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-MSincccc-20250111115000-Opinion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:50, 11 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSincccc-20250111115000-Opinion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSincccc-20250111115000-Opinion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tim_riley-20250111120200-MSincccc-20250111115000"></span>There is no rule against it. Although it is a lumpen, tabloidese usage it is in widespread use in AmE prose (except for <i>The New York Times</i>, whose style guide is a delight to read on the subject) and it is not actually wrong in BrE – just rather naff. If an FAC nominator insists on using it, that is certainly not reasonable grounds for opposing the promotion of the article. <b><span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;"><a href="/wiki/User:Tim_riley" title="User:Tim riley"><span style="color:# 660066">Tim riley</span></a><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#848484"> talk</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Tim_riley-20250111120200-MSincccc-20250111115000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 11 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tim_riley-20250111120200-MSincccc-20250111115000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tim_riley-20250111120200-MSincccc-20250111115000"></span> <dl><dd><span style="color:green;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSincccc-20250118084700-Tim_riley-20250111120200"></span>Al-Altan must have attended the party to be accused of the crime, but why she was present there and not in the Uighur lands is not certain.</span></dd> <dd>Or</dd> <dd><span style="color:blue">Al-Altan must have attended the party to be accused of the crime, but her reason for being present there and not in the Uighur lands is not certain.</span></dd> <dd>The above sentence is an extract from the article <a href="/wiki/Al-Altan" title="Al-Altan">Al-Altan</a>, who is one of Genghis Khan's daughters, which has been nominated at FAC. @<a href="/wiki/User:Tim_riley" title="User:Tim riley">Tim riley</a> Could you please tell me which version you prefer and why? Looking forward to your response. Regards.</dd> <dd><b>P.S.</b> The first sentence is the one used in the article. <a href="/wiki/User:MSincccc" title="User:MSincccc">MSincccc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSincccc" title="User talk:MSincccc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-MSincccc-20250118084700-Tim_riley-20250111120200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:47, 18 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSincccc-20250118084700-Tim_riley-20250111120200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSincccc-20250118084700-Tim_riley-20250111120200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SchroCat-20250118092200-MSincccc-20250118084700"></span>Neither are wrong and both are clear. Don’t let your personal preferences get in the way of reviewing properly. - <a href="/wiki/User:SchroCat" title="User:SchroCat">SchroCat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SchroCat" title="User talk:SchroCat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-SchroCat-20250118092200-MSincccc-20250118084700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:22, 18 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SchroCat-20250118092200-MSincccc-20250118084700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SchroCat-20250118092200-MSincccc-20250118084700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fowler&fowler-20250118124900-MSincccc-20250118084700"></span>The second version is not coherent. "Reason" has the meaning of "an account or explanation" here. What does it mean for "an explanation to be not certain." Is it existence not certain or is it not adequate? <a href="/wiki/User:Fowler%26fowler" title="User:Fowler&fowler"><span style="color:#B8860B">Fowler&fowler</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fowler%26fowler" title="User talk:Fowler&fowler"><span style="color:#708090">«Talk»</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Fowler&fowler-20250118124900-MSincccc-20250118084700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 18 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fowler&fowler-20250118124900-MSincccc-20250118084700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fowler&fowler-20250118124900-MSincccc-20250118084700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Joyce_Grenfell" data-mw-thread-id="h-Joyce_Grenfell-20250114171000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Joyce_Grenfell-20250114171000"></span>Joyce Grenfell<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Joyce_Grenfell-20250114171000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tim_riley&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Joyce Grenfell"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A.D.Hope-20250114171000-Joyce_Grenfell"></span>I suspect I’ve irritated you by questioning your judgement on an article on which you’ve spent a lot of time. I understand the feeling, but I would appreciate it if you wouldn’t make the discussion personal. </p><p>We’re all here to improve the article and it looks likely that no change will be made, so no need to fall out, eh? <a href="/wiki/User:A.D.Hope" title="User:A.D.Hope">A.D.Hope</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A.D.Hope" title="User talk:A.D.Hope">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-A.D.Hope-20250114171000-Joyce_Grenfell" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 14 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A.D.Hope-20250114171000-Joyce_Grenfell"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A.D.Hope-20250114171000-Joyce_Grenfell"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tim_riley-20250114174000-A.D.Hope-20250114171000"></span>I hope very much that (with a single exception, and I'd better not mention her username) I have respected all the fellow editors I've encountered over nearly two decades here. It is true that tut-tut-tut and whats-his-name and also you-know-who have driven me up the wall from time to time over the years, but we're all God's creatures and I daresay I've done some up-wall driving myself to other editors. The task of filling up the blanks I'd rather leave to you. <b><span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;"><a href="/wiki/User:Tim_riley" title="User:Tim riley"><span style="color:# 660066">Tim riley</span></a><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#848484"> talk</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Tim_riley-20250114174000-A.D.Hope-20250114171000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 14 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tim_riley-20250114174000-A.D.Hope-20250114171000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tim_riley-20250114174000-A.D.Hope-20250114171000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-A.D.Hope-20250114175100-Tim_riley-20250114174000"></span>I felt a little like I was being told off, I won’t lie, but you’re not disrespectful.</dd> <dd>You’ll probably have noticed that I replied to you on the article talk page and then self-reverted – despite my attempt at humour my tone was harsher than I intended. If you’d like me to reinstate it I will (with a strikethrough?), though.</dd> <dd>The article looks to be in very good shape, by the way, largely thanks to you. Have you considered a GA nomination? I’d certainly help support it. <a href="/wiki/User:A.D.Hope" title="User:A.D.Hope">A.D.Hope</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:A.D.Hope" title="User talk:A.D.Hope">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-A.D.Hope-20250114175100-Tim_riley-20250114174000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 14 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-A.D.Hope-20250114175100-Tim_riley-20250114174000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-A.D.Hope-20250114175100-Tim_riley-20250114174000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tim_riley-20250114181100-A.D.Hope-20250114175100"></span>The article is not too bad, I think, but to my mind it is a fair way short of GA standard. It's only C class now, though perhaps B class wouldn't be excessively flattering, but for GA I'd want to have a pretty comprehensive picture, and I don't think we have that at the moment. I haven't checked out all the relevant sources and I don't think I have much more to add to the text, but if you or anyone else would like to have a go at improving it with a view to GAN I'd be offering enthusiastic support. <b><span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;"><a href="/wiki/User:Tim_riley" title="User:Tim riley"><span style="color:# 660066">Tim riley</span></a><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#848484"> talk</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Tim_riley-20250114181100-A.D.Hope-20250114175100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tim_riley-20250114181100-A.D.Hope-20250114175100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tim_riley-20250114181100-A.D.Hope-20250114175100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ssilvers-20250115045000-Tim_riley-20250114181100"></span>Article class: I just looked at the article, and I would say that the only thing holding the article back from being B-class is that the Lead section does not appear to give enough of an overview of the article. Regards, -- <a href="/wiki/User:Ssilvers" title="User:Ssilvers">Ssilvers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ssilvers" title="User talk:Ssilvers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Ssilvers-20250115045000-Tim_riley-20250114181100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 15 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ssilvers-20250115045000-Tim_riley-20250114181100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ssilvers-20250115045000-Tim_riley-20250114181100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Invitation_to_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Invitation_to_discussion-20250116041200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Invitation_to_discussion-20250116041200"></span>Invitation to discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Invitation_to_discussion-20250116041200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tim_riley&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Invitation to discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSincccc-20250116041200-Invitation_to_discussion"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tim_riley" title="User:Tim riley">Tim riley</a> You are invited to join <a href="/wiki/Talk:Princess_Charlotte_of_Wales_(born_2015)#Requested_move_16_January_2025" title="Talk:Princess Charlotte of Wales (born 2015)">the discussion</a> at <a href="/wiki/Talk:Princess_Charlotte_of_Wales_(born_2015)" title="Talk:Princess Charlotte of Wales (born 2015)">Talk:Princess Charlotte of Wales (born 2015)</a>. Regards. <a href="/wiki/User:MSincccc" title="User:MSincccc">MSincccc</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSincccc" title="User talk:MSincccc">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-MSincccc-20250116041200-Invitation_to_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 16 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSincccc-20250116041200-Invitation_to_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSincccc-20250116041200-Invitation_to_discussion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_ODNB_articles_on_19th-_and_20th-century_opera_and_musical_theatre_singers" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_ODNB_articles_on_19th-_and_20th-century_opera_and_musical_theatre_singers-20250116103700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_ODNB_articles_on_19th-_and_20th-century_opera_and_musical_theatre_singers-20250116103700"></span>New ODNB articles on 19th- and 20th-century opera and musical theatre singers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_ODNB_articles_on_19th-_and_20th-century_opera_and_musical_theatre_singers-20250116103700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tim_riley&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: New ODNB articles on 19th- and 20th-century opera and musical theatre singers"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Noswall59-20250116103700-New_ODNB_articles_on_19th-_and_20th-century_opera_and_musical_theatre_singers"></span>Dear Tim, I recently noticed that last week the editors of the <i>Oxford Dictionary of National Biography</i> have published their January 2025 update and it is on the theme of <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.oxforddnb.com/newsitem/866/whats-new-january-2025">"Nineteenth- and Twentieth-Century Opera and Musical Theatre Singers"</a>. I know you edit in these areas, so I thought you and some of your talk page watchers might enjoy perusing the new biographies, if you have not already done so. Regards, —<a href="/wiki/User:Noswall59" title="User:Noswall59">Noswall59</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Noswall59" title="User talk:Noswall59">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Noswall59-20250116103700-New_ODNB_articles_on_19th-_and_20th-century_opera_and_musical_theatre_singers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 16 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Noswall59-20250116103700-New_ODNB_articles_on_19th-_and_20th-century_opera_and_musical_theatre_singers"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Noswall59-20250116103700-New_ODNB_articles_on_19th-_and_20th-century_opera_and_musical_theatre_singers"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tim_riley-20250116104000-Noswall59-20250116103700"></span>I hadn't noticed, and I'm most grateful, <a href="/wiki/User:Noswall59" title="User:Noswall59">Noswall</a>, for your telling me. Thank you so much. I'll certainly be looking in. <b><span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;"><a href="/wiki/User:Tim_riley" title="User:Tim riley"><span style="color:# 660066">Tim riley</span></a><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#848484"> talk</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Tim_riley-20250116104000-Noswall59-20250116103700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 16 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tim_riley-20250116104000-Noswall59-20250116103700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tim_riley-20250116104000-Noswall59-20250116103700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="File:Aldwych-farcical-1_(1).jpg_listed_for_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:Aldwych-farcical-1_(1).jpg_listed_for_discussion-20250118144600"><span id="File:Aldwych-farcical-1_.281.29.jpg_listed_for_discussion"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:Aldwych-farcical-1_(1).jpg_listed_for_discussion-20250118144600"></span>File:Aldwych-farcical-1 (1).jpg listed for discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:Aldwych-farcical-1_(1).jpg_listed_for_discussion-20250118144600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tim_riley&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: File:Aldwych-farcical-1 (1).jpg listed for discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iruka13-20250118144600-File:Aldwych-farcical-1_(1).jpg_listed_for_discussion"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/30px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/45px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/60px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256" /></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> A file that you uploaded or altered, <a href="/wiki/File:Aldwych-farcical-1_(1).jpg" title="File:Aldwych-farcical-1 (1).jpg">File:Aldwych-farcical-1 (1).jpg</a>, has been listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Files for discussion">Wikipedia:Files for discussion</a>. Please see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2025_January_18#File:Aldwych-farcical-1_(1).jpg" title="Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2025 January 18"><b>discussion</b></a> to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. — Ирука<sup><a href="/wiki/User:Iruka13" title="User:Iruka13">13</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Iruka13-20250118144600-File:Aldwych-farcical-1_(1).jpg_listed_for_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 18 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iruka13-20250118144600-File:Aldwych-farcical-1_(1).jpg_listed_for_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iruka13-20250118144600-File:Aldwych-farcical-1_(1).jpg_listed_for_discussion"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="No_ifs,_no_butts" data-mw-thread-id="h-No_ifs,_no_butts-20250118201100"><span id="No_ifs.2C_no_butts"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-No_ifs,_no_butts-20250118201100"></span>No ifs, no butts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-No_ifs,_no_butts-20250118201100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tim_riley&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: No ifs, no butts"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250118201100-No_ifs,_no_butts"></span>Coming <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1270277825" title="Special:Diff/1270277825">out of your review</a>. Thanks for that! A little derivative at the moment, perhaps, but can probably be expanded further. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Serial_Number_54129" title="Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129">Serial</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Serial_Number_54129" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Serial Number 54129">(speculates here)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Serial_Number_54129-20250118201100-No_ifs,_no_butts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 18 January 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250118201100-No_ifs,_no_butts"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250118201100-No_ifs,_no_butts"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250204170200-Serial_Number_54129-20250118201100"></span>Obviously my hubris must be punished. <a href="/wiki/Butt_of_malmsey" title="Butt of malmsey">1300 Words and 47 discrete references</a>... and its up for deletion. Sigh. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Serial_Number_54129" title="Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129">Serial</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Serial_Number_54129" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Serial Number 54129">(speculates here)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Serial_Number_54129-20250204170200-Serial_Number_54129-20250118201100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 4 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250204170200-Serial_Number_54129-20250118201100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serial_Number_54129-20250204170200-Serial_Number_54129-20250118201100"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Serial_Number_54129" title="Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tim_riley-20250204171200-Serial_Number_54129-20250204170200"></span>Serial</a>, I've added my support – unqualified support, after perusing the article. <b><span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;"><a href="/wiki/User:Tim_riley" title="User:Tim riley"><span style="color:# 660066">Tim riley</span></a><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#848484"> talk</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Tim_riley-20250204171200-Serial_Number_54129-20250204170200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 4 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tim_riley-20250204171200-Serial_Number_54129-20250204170200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tim_riley-20250204171200-Serial_Number_54129-20250204170200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fortuna_imperatrix_mundi-20250218151500-Tim_riley-20250204171200"></span>I forgot to say thanks very much for this Tim, you were just the encouragement it needed. Thanking you! ...also, I've only just seen your new photo—very suave indeed! As <a href="/wiki/Alan_Partridge" title="Alan Partridge">Alan Partridge</a> said, "The classic English gentleman abroad: It's <a href="/wiki/David_Niven" title="David Niven">David Niven</a>. It's <a href="/wiki/Stewart_Grainger" class="mw-redirect" title="Stewart Grainger">Stewart Grainger</a>. It's <a href="/wiki/Nigel_Havers" title="Nigel Havers">Nigel Havers</a><span class="nowrap"> </span>... The look? 'Imperial Leisure'"  :) <i><a href="/wiki/User:Fortuna_imperatrix_mundi" title="User:Fortuna imperatrix mundi">Fortuna,</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fortuna_imperatrix_mundi" title="Special:Contributions/Fortuna imperatrix mundi">Imperatrix</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fortuna_imperatrix_mundi" title="User talk:Fortuna imperatrix mundi">Mundi</a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Fortuna_imperatrix_mundi-20250218151500-Tim_riley-20250204171200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fortuna_imperatrix_mundi-20250218151500-Tim_riley-20250204171200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fortuna_imperatrix_mundi-20250218151500-Tim_riley-20250204171200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tim_riley-20250218154500-Fortuna_imperatrix_mundi-20250218151500"></span>That's very kind, though the cravat is not so much for dressiness as to attempt to hide the increasingly turkey-neck of a septuagenarian. <b><span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;"><a href="/wiki/User:Tim_riley" title="User:Tim riley"><span style="color:# 660066">Tim riley</span></a><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#848484"> talk</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Tim_riley-20250218154500-Fortuna_imperatrix_mundi-20250218151500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 18 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tim_riley-20250218154500-Fortuna_imperatrix_mundi-20250218151500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tim_riley-20250218154500-Fortuna_imperatrix_mundi-20250218151500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Orphaned_non-free_image_File:Cecil-madden.jpg" data-mw-thread-id="h-Orphaned_non-free_image_File:Cecil-madden.jpg-20250227031300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Orphaned_non-free_image_File:Cecil-madden.jpg-20250227031300"></span>Orphaned non-free image File:Cecil-madden.jpg<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Orphaned_non-free_image_File:Cecil-madden.jpg-20250227031300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tim_riley&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Orphaned non-free image File:Cecil-madden.jpg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-B-bot-20250227031300-Orphaned_non-free_image_File:Cecil-madden.jpg"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span title="⚠"><img alt="⚠" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ambox_warning_blue.svg/35px-Ambox_warning_blue.svg.png" decoding="async" width="35" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ambox_warning_blue.svg/53px-Ambox_warning_blue.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ambox_warning_blue.svg/70px-Ambox_warning_blue.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="378" data-file-height="326" /></span><figcaption>⚠</figcaption></figure><p> Thanks for uploading <b><a href="/wiki/File:Cecil-madden.jpg" title="File:Cecil-madden.jpg">File:Cecil-madden.jpg</a></b>. 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Thank you. --<a href="/wiki/User:B-bot" title="User:B-bot">B-bot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:B-bot" title="User talk:B-bot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-B-bot-20250227031300-Orphaned_non-free_image_File:Cecil-madden.jpg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:13, 27 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-B-bot-20250227031300-Orphaned_non-free_image_File:Cecil-madden.jpg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-B-bot-20250227031300-Orphaned_non-free_image_File:Cecil-madden.jpg"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Diction" data-mw-thread-id="h-Diction-20250302143600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Diction-20250302143600"></span>Diction<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Diction-20250302143600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tim_riley&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Diction"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Spicemix-20250302143600-Diction"></span>Strong language for a good faith edit Tom. Don't set out to discourage people. <a href="/wiki/User:Spicemix" title="User:Spicemix">Spicemix</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spicemix" title="User talk:Spicemix">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Spicemix-20250302143600-Diction" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 2 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Spicemix-20250302143600-Diction"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Spicemix-20250302143600-Diction"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tim_riley-20250302145100-Spicemix-20250302143600"></span>Who is Tom? Calling pedantry what it is can hardly be called strong language. My first thought was "idiotic pedantry" but I toned it down before writing the edit summary. Strongly recommend acquiring and reading the latest edition of Fowler, particularly before saying that such a respected editor as the late <a href="/wiki/User:Brianboulton" title="User:Brianboulton">Brian Boulton</a> was at fault with what you call his diction. <b><span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;"><a href="/wiki/User:Tim_riley" title="User:Tim riley"><span style="color:# 660066">Tim riley</span></a><a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#848484"> talk</span></a></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_riley#c-Tim_riley-20250302145100-Spicemix-20250302143600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 2 March 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tim_riley-20250302145100-Spicemix-20250302143600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tim_riley-20250302145100-Spicemix-20250302143600"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tim_riley&oldid=1278449166">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tim_riley&oldid=1278449166</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 2 March 2025, at 14:51<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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