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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jefferson_Davis&oldid=52412125">May 11, 2006</a></span></td><td><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Jefferson_Davis/archive1" title="Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jefferson Davis/archive1">Featured article candidate</a></b></td><td>Not promoted</td></tr><tr><td><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jefferson_Davis&oldid=558974731">June 12, 2013</a></span></td><td><b><a href="/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis/GA1" title="Talk:Jefferson Davis/GA1">Good article nominee</a></b></td><td>Not listed</td></tr><tr><td><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jefferson_Davis&oldid=566099120">July 28, 2013</a></span></td><td><b><a href="/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis/GA2" title="Talk:Jefferson Davis/GA2">Good article nominee</a></b></td><td>Not listed</td></tr><tr><td><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external 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So the 3,600,000 number seems to be the one needing correcting. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/50.47.251.0" title="Special:Contributions/50.47.251.0">50.47.251.0</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:50.47.251.0&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:50.47.251.0 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis#c-50.47.251.0-20240814070700-Inconsistency" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-50.47.251.0-20240814070700-Inconsistency"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-50.47.251.0-20240814070700-Inconsistency"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wtfiv-20240815035000-50.47.251.0-20240814070700"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> There was a typo in the conversion template. The two numbers still won't match up, as one is for 1865 dollars and one for 1867 dollars, but the difference is much smaller. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wtfiv&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wtfiv (page does not exist)">Wtfiv</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wtfiv" title="User talk:Wtfiv">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis#c-Wtfiv-20240815035000-50.47.251.0-20240814070700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wtfiv-20240815035000-50.47.251.0-20240814070700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wtfiv-20240815035000-50.47.251.0-20240814070700"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Treason" data-mw-thread-id="h-Treason-20241011145000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Treason-20241011145000"></span>Treason<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Treason-20241011145000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jefferson_Davis&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Treason"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ad_Orientem-20241011145000-Treason"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:LesbianTiamat" title="User:LesbianTiamat">LesbianTiamat</a> We cannot state that Davis committed treason in wiki-voice because he was never convicted of the crime. We are not allowed to make claims of fact based on our interpretation of events, laws etc. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SYNTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SYNTH">WP:SYNTH</a>. The most that can be done is to note that some sources have labeled his actions as treasonous with appropriate citations. -<a href="/wiki/User:Ad_Orientem" title="User:Ad Orientem">Ad Orientem</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ad_Orientem" title="User talk:Ad Orientem">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis#c-Ad_Orientem-20241011145000-Treason" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 11 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ad_Orientem-20241011145000-Treason"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ad_Orientem-20241011145000-Treason"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LesbianTiamat-20241017164400-Ad_Orientem-20241011145000"></span>That's total nonsense. Does the sun revolve around the Earth because Galileo was convicted? Get real.</dd> <dd>I'll get some sources to cite him as a traitor in actual fact, despite him not being convicted ~150 years ago. <a href="/wiki/User:LesbianTiamat" title="User:LesbianTiamat">LesbianTiamat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LesbianTiamat" title="User talk:LesbianTiamat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis#c-LesbianTiamat-20241017164400-Ad_Orientem-20241011145000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LesbianTiamat-20241017164400-Ad_Orientem-20241011145000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LesbianTiamat-20241017164400-Ad_Orientem-20241011145000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ad_Orientem-20241017165900-LesbianTiamat-20241017164400"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:LesbianTiamat" title="User:LesbianTiamat">LesbianTiamat</a> No, it's not nonsense. It's how we operate. We don't get to convict people of crimes no matter how strongly we may feel they are guilty. To state as a matter of fact that he was guilty of treason, a defined criminal act, he would have had to been convicted of that crime. Again, the most that can be done is to note that some persons/entities have described his actions as treasonous. As for Galileo, please see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTTRUTH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTTRUTH">WP:NOTTRUTH</a>. You are not required to agree with all of our <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PG">policies and guidelines</a>. There are some that I disagree with quite strongly. But we are not free to ignore them. In short; "themz the rules, until they aren't." -<a href="/wiki/User:Ad_Orientem" title="User:Ad Orientem">Ad Orientem</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ad_Orientem" title="User talk:Ad Orientem">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis#c-Ad_Orientem-20241017165900-LesbianTiamat-20241017164400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ad_Orientem-20241017165900-LesbianTiamat-20241017164400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ad_Orientem-20241017165900-LesbianTiamat-20241017164400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LesbianTiamat-20241017171900-Ad_Orientem-20241017165900"></span>We actually are free to ignore them. There is no <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:5P5" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:5P5">policy or guideline</a> more important than <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IGNORE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IGNORE">WP:IGNORE</a>. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONSENSE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMONSENSE">WP:COMMONSENSE</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:LesbianTiamat" title="User:LesbianTiamat">LesbianTiamat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LesbianTiamat" title="User talk:LesbianTiamat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis#c-LesbianTiamat-20241017171900-Ad_Orientem-20241017165900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LesbianTiamat-20241017171900-Ad_Orientem-20241017165900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LesbianTiamat-20241017171900-Ad_Orientem-20241017165900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ad_Orientem-20241017172100-LesbianTiamat-20241017171900"></span>If you wish to make a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IAR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IAR">WP:IAR</a> argument that Wikipedia should hold Davis guilty of treason, you are free to open a discussion or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RfC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RfC">WP:RfC</a> and make your case. Speaking as an experienced editor I don't think that would fly. But introducing such claims, absent a very strong consensus, would IMO be disruptive. I would point out that when <a href="/wiki/Fidel_Castro" title="Fidel Castro">Fidel Castro</a> died the community had a massive discussion over whether or not we could call him a dictator in wiki-voice. There were scores of reliable sources that had used that term in reference to Castro, in addition to commonsense. But the community said we could not do so because he was not universally described as such. -<a href="/wiki/User:Ad_Orientem" title="User:Ad Orientem">Ad Orientem</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ad_Orientem" title="User talk:Ad Orientem">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis#c-Ad_Orientem-20241017172100-LesbianTiamat-20241017171900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ad_Orientem-20241017172100-LesbianTiamat-20241017171900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ad_Orientem-20241017172100-LesbianTiamat-20241017171900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LesbianTiamat-20241018021900-Ad_Orientem-20241017172100"></span>Or I can just find citations. RfC not necessary, Mr. Administrator & Experienced Editor. <a href="/wiki/User:LesbianTiamat" title="User:LesbianTiamat">LesbianTiamat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LesbianTiamat" title="User talk:LesbianTiamat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis#c-LesbianTiamat-20241018021900-Ad_Orientem-20241017172100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:19, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LesbianTiamat-20241018021900-Ad_Orientem-20241017172100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LesbianTiamat-20241018021900-Ad_Orientem-20241017172100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ad_Orientem-20241018023200-LesbianTiamat-20241018021900"></span>Yes, you can find sources that will state that so and so believes him to be guilty of treason. And you can state that with a citation. But you can't make that statement in Wikipedia's voice. To state definitively that someone is/was guilty of a crime, that requires a legal determination from a competent entity (i.e. a court of law). -<a href="/wiki/User:Ad_Orientem" title="User:Ad Orientem">Ad Orientem</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ad_Orientem" title="User talk:Ad Orientem">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis#c-Ad_Orientem-20241018023200-LesbianTiamat-20241018021900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:32, 18 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ad_Orientem-20241018023200-LesbianTiamat-20241018021900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ad_Orientem-20241018023200-LesbianTiamat-20241018021900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_request-20241020052100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_request-20241020052100"></span>Edit request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_request-20241020052100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jefferson_Davis&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Edit request"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF-20241020052100-Edit_request"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>"... doom African Americans, who he called an inferior race ..." </p><p>That should be "... doom African Americans, <b>whom</b> he called an inferior race ..." <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF" title="Special:Contributions/2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF">2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis#c-2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF-20241020052100-Edit_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF-20241020052100-Edit_request"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF-20241020052100-Edit_request"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF-20241020064100-Edit_request"></span>Also: "He was accompanied by his personal servant James Pemberton, an enslaved African American who he inherited from his father." That "who" should be "whom". <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF" title="Special:Contributions/2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF">2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis#c-2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF-20241020064100-Edit_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:41, 20 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF-20241020064100-Edit_request"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF-20241020064100-Edit_request"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wtfiv-20241024161000-2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF-20241020064100"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Wtfiv&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Wtfiv (page does not exist)">Wtfiv</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wtfiv" title="User talk:Wtfiv">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis#c-Wtfiv-20241024161000-2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF-20241020064100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wtfiv-20241024161000-2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF-20241020064100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wtfiv-20241024161000-2401:7000:CA09:4700:2D1B:D570:47B9:F7AF-20241020064100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Davies_was_not_pro_slavery" data-mw-thread-id="h-Davies_was_not_pro_slavery-20241025170500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Davies_was_not_pro_slavery-20241025170500"></span>Davies was not pro slavery<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Davies_was_not_pro_slavery-20241025170500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jefferson_Davis&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Davies was not pro slavery"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2604:3D09:418F:CE00:66A4:5A9E:C6FC:1F71-20241025170500-Davies_was_not_pro_slavery"></span>Jefferson Davies was an abolitionist. One of his first acts as the president of the confederate states was an executive order illegalizing the import of slaves. He couldn't tell the 4 pro slavery states in the south to follow suite, because the underlying philosophy of the confederacy was self determination for the states and THAT was the real cause of the civil war. Note that Ulysses Grant owned slaves and 4 states in the north were pro slavery. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2604:3D09:418F:CE00:66A4:5A9E:C6FC:1F71" title="Special:Contributions/2604:3D09:418F:CE00:66A4:5A9E:C6FC:1F71">2604:3D09:418F:CE00:66A4:5A9E:C6FC:1F71</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2604:3D09:418F:CE00:66A4:5A9E:C6FC:1F71&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2604:3D09:418F:CE00:66A4:5A9E:C6FC:1F71 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis#c-2604:3D09:418F:CE00:66A4:5A9E:C6FC:1F71-20241025170500-Davies_was_not_pro_slavery" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2604:3D09:418F:CE00:66A4:5A9E:C6FC:1F71-20241025170500-Davies_was_not_pro_slavery"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2604:3D09:418F:CE00:66A4:5A9E:C6FC:1F71-20241025170500-Davies_was_not_pro_slavery"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ad_Orientem-20241025181400-2604:3D09:418F:CE00:66A4:5A9E:C6FC:1F71-20241025170500"></span>This is simply and flatly untrue. The importation of slaves from anywhere other than the United States was actually banned in the <a href="/wiki/Constitution_of_the_Confederate_States" title="Constitution of the Confederate States">Constitution of the Confederate States</a>. Davis was a slaveholder as well as a lifelong and unrepentant apologist for the institution, even long after the war. The decision to support the prohibition on the importation of slaves was largely political. He knew the Confederacy might need military aid from Britain and/or France. In both countries slavery had long since been abolished and the institution was deeply unpopular. Further, the British Royal Navy maintained a <a href="/wiki/West_Africa_Squadron" title="West Africa Squadron">permanent naval squadron</a> tasked with interdicting the Atlantic slave trade. Davis understood that whether he liked it or not, the Atlantic slave trade was more or less dead as a matter of law and saw no point in antagonizing a nation whose aid he was hoping to secure. -<a href="/wiki/User:Ad_Orientem" title="User:Ad Orientem">Ad Orientem</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ad_Orientem" title="User talk:Ad Orientem">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis#c-Ad_Orientem-20241025181400-2604:3D09:418F:CE00:66A4:5A9E:C6FC:1F71-20241025170500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ad_Orientem-20241025181400-2604:3D09:418F:CE00:66A4:5A9E:C6FC:1F71-20241025170500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ad_Orientem-20241025181400-2604:3D09:418F:CE00:66A4:5A9E:C6FC:1F71-20241025170500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241025185400-Ad_Orientem-20241025181400"></span>And importation of enslaved people had been illegal in the US since 1808. The domestic slave trade was booming, and business owners in the Southern states (and the politicians they supported) had plenty of economic reasons to keep the foreign trade illegal. <a href="/wiki/User:Firefangledfeathers" title="User:Firefangledfeathers">Firefangledfeathers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Firefangledfeathers" title="User talk:Firefangledfeathers">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers" title="Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Davis#c-Firefangledfeathers-20241025185400-Ad_Orientem-20241025181400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:54, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Firefangledfeathers-20241025185400-Ad_Orientem-20241025181400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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