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"isModeratedNotLocked":false,"content":{"content": "\u003Csection data-mw-section-id=\"0\" data-parsoid=\"{}\"\u003E\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[0,119,0,0]}\"\u003EWhat do you think about the designs we are considering implementing for the first iteration of the New Discussion Tool?\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[121,265,0,0]}\"\u003EWhen you are ready to share what you have to say, we would value you adding a new topic on this talk page by doing the following \u003Csup data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;html\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[250,264,5,6]}\"\u003E[i]\u003C/sup\u003E:\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003Col data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[266,453,0,0]}\"\u003E\u003Cli data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[266,304,1,0]}\"\u003E\"Start a new topic\" on this talk page\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[305,374,1,0]}\"\u003EName this new topic: \"Initial designs feedback: \u003Cb data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[354,373,3,3]}\"\u003EYOUR USERNAME\u003C/b\u003E\"\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[375,453,1,0]}\"\u003EWrite the answers to you have to the \u003Ccode data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;html\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[413,442,6,7]}\"\u003ESharing feedback\u003C/code\u003E questions.\u003C/li\u003E\u003C/ol\u003E\n\u003C/section\u003E\u003Csection data-mw-section-id=\"1\" data-parsoid=\"{}\"\u003E\u003Ch3 id=\"Designs\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[454,467,3,3]}\"\u003EDesigns\u003C/h3\u003E\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[468,593,0,0]}\"\u003E\u003Ci data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[468,593,2,2]}\"\u003EYou can review the designs in their entirety on the project page here: \u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion#Version_1.0\" class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"Talk pages project/New discussion\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;simple\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Talk_pages_project/New_discussion#Version_1.0\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Talk pages project/New discussion#Version 1.0\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[541,590,2,2]}\"\u003ETalk pages project/New discussion#Version 1.0\u003C/a\u003E.\u003C/i\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[595,661,0,0]}\"\u003E\u003Cfigure-inline typeof=\"mw:Image\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;optList\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;ck\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;width\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;ak\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;576px\u0026quot;}],\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[595,661,null,null]}\"\u003E\u003Ca href=\"//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/./File:Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_(composition).png\" data-parsoid=\"{}\"\u003E\u003Cimg resource=\"./File:Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_(composition).png\" src=\"//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png/576px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png\" data-file-width=\"2880\" data-file-height=\"1610\" data-file-type=\"bitmap\" height=\"322\" width=\"576\" srcset=\"//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png/864px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png/1152px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png 2x\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;resource\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./File:Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_(composition).png\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;height\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;322\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;width\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;576\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;resource\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;File:Screenshot of New Discussion Tool (composition).png\u0026quot;}}\"/\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003C/figure-inline\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003C/section\u003E\u003Csection data-mw-section-id=\"2\" data-parsoid=\"{}\"\u003E\u003Ch3 id=\"Sharing_feedback\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[662,690,3,3]}\"\u003E\u003Cb data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[665,687,3,3]}\"\u003ESharing feedback\u003C/b\u003E\u003C/h3\u003E\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[691,745,0,0]}\"\u003EThese are the questions we would value you answering. \u003C/p\u003E\n\u003Cul data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[746,1118,0,0]}\"\u003E\u003Cli data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[746,794,1,0]}\"\u003E\u003Ci data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[747,794,2,2]}\"\u003EWhat do you like about the proposed design?\u003C/i\u003E\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[795,847,1,0]}\"\u003E\u003Ci data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[796,847,2,2]}\"\u003EWhat do you wish was different in the proposal?\u003C/i\u003E\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[848,1015,1,0]}\"\u003E\u003Ci data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[849,1015,2,2]}\"\u003ECan you compare the designs being proposed here to the current experience? Can you accomplish your current workflow for adding new discussions with this proposal?\u003C/i\u003E\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[1016,1118,1,0]}\"\u003E\u003Ci data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[1017,1118,2,2]}\"\u003EWhat other improvements do you think would be valuable for us to consider making to the new tool?\u003C/i\u003E\u003C/li\u003E\u003C/ul\u003E\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[1119,1226,0,0]}\"\u003E...of course, if other comments/questions come to mind as you are reviewing the designs, please share them.\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[1227,1232,0,0]}\"\u003E\n\u003Cbr data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[1228,1228,0,0]}\"/\u003E\n---\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[1234,1411,0,0]}\"\u003Ei. 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href=\"/wiki/User:Awesome_Aasim\" title=\"User:Awesome Aasim\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" about=\"#mwt13\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;piped\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./User:Awesome_Aasim\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;User:Awesome Aasim\u0026quot;}}\"\u003EAwesome Aasim\u003C/a\u003E, \u003Cspan about=\"#mwt14\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;pi\u0026quot;:[[{\u0026quot;k\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;}]],\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[427,452,null,null]}\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;FlowMention\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:FlowMention\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Semantoya\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\"\u003E@\u003C/span\u003E\u003Ca href=\"/wiki/User:Semantoya\" title=\"User:Semantoya\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" about=\"#mwt14\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;piped\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./User:Semantoya\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;User:Semantoya\u0026quot;}}\"\u003ESemantoya\u003C/a\u003E:\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[455,787,0,0]}\"\u003EPlease look at this design and follow PPelberg's instructions to post your feedback. Also, please consider putting this page (\u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion\" class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"Talk pages project/New discussion\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;simple\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Talk_pages_project/New_discussion\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Talk pages project/New discussion\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[582,619,2,2]}\"\u003ETalk pages project/New discussion\u003C/a\u003E) on your watchlist. If you do, you'll get a notification about each new thread that's started on this talk page, so you'll have an easy way to find out about changes.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[789,1047,0,0]}\"\u003EPlease share this thread with other people, especially editors who work with newcomers at your home wiki. This link will work at all WMF wikis and bring people straight to the top of this thread: \u003Ccode data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;html\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[987,1046,6,7]}\"\u003E\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:Nowiki\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[993,1039,8,9]}\"\u003E[[mw:Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi]]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/code\u003E.\u003C/p\u003E\u003C/section\u003E" ,"format":"fixed-html"},"watchable":false,"replyToId":"vwpwr84naer42ovi","postId":"vx07k4x2p2ibt94b","isMaxThreadingDepth":false,"creator":{"name":"Whatamidoing (WMF)","wiki":"mediawikiwiki","gender":"female","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/Whatamidoing_(WMF)","title":"Contributions/Whatamidoing (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)","title":"Whatamidoing (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:Whatamidoing_(WMF)","title":"User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":927293},"isNewPage":false,"replies":[]},"vx09g18nxt0dik36":{"_BC_bools":["isOriginalContent","isModerated","isLocked","isModeratedNotLocked","isWatched","watchable","isMaxThreadingDepth","isNewPage"],"workflowId":"vwpwr84naer42ovi","articleTitle":"Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi","revisionId":"vx09g18nxt0dik36","timestamp":"20201102193620","changeType":"edit-post","dateFormats":[], "properties":[],"isOriginalContent":false,"isModerated":false,"links":{"post-history":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=history\u0026topic_postId=vx09de7k5hytj73a","title":"History","text":"History"},"topic-history":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=history","title":"History","text":"History"},"topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi","title":"topic","text":"topic"},"post":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026topic_showPostId=vx09de7k5hytj73a#flow-post-vx09de7k5hytj73a","title":"post","text":"post"},"diff":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=compare-post-revisions\u0026topic_newRevision=vx09g18nxt0dik36","title":"diff","text":"diff"},"diff-prev":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=compare-post-revisions\u0026topic_newRevision=vx09g18nxt0dik36", "title":"prev","text":"prev"},"post-revision":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026topic_postId=vx09de7k5hytj73a\u0026topic_revId=vx09g18nxt0dik36\u0026action=single-view","title":"post revision","text":"post revision"}},"actions":[],"size":{"old":"1214","new":"1216"},"author":{"name":"Barkeep49","wiki":"mediawikiwiki","gender":"unknown","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/Barkeep49","title":"Contributions/Barkeep49","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:Barkeep49","title":"Barkeep49","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49","title":"User talk:Barkeep49","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":13020485},"lastEditUser":{"name":"Barkeep49","wiki":"mediawikiwiki","gender":"unknown","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/Barkeep49","title":"Contributions/Barkeep49","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:Barkeep49", "title":"Barkeep49","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49","title":"User talk:Barkeep49","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":13020485},"lastEditId":"vx09g18nxt0dik36","previousRevisionId":"vx09de7k5hytj73a","isLocked":false,"isModeratedNotLocked":false,"content":{"content": "\u003Csection data-mw-section-id=\"0\" data-parsoid=\"{}\"\u003E\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[0,175,0,0]}\"\u003ESo I find it funny that the instructions for adding a new topic for feedback here are incorrect for a tool that is all about people's inability to successfully add new topics.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[177,264,0,0]}\"\u003E\u003Cb data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[177,226,3,3]}\"\u003EWhat do you like about the proposed design?\u003C/b\u003E\nFollows the inline reply tool nicely.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[266,470,0,0]}\"\u003E\u003Cb data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[266,319,3,3]}\"\u003EWhat do you wish was different in the proposal?\u003C/b\u003E\nNeeds to be clear that it's a completely new topic rather than a new subtopic. This seems like a point of potential confusion for Junior contributors.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[472,1216,0,0]}\"\u003E\u003Cb data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[472,643,3,3]}\"\u003ECan you compare the designs being proposed here to to the current experience? Can you accomplish your current workflow for adding new discussions with this proposal?\u003C/b\u003E\nI generally don't use the add topic button but when I do this experience seems familiar. I am not seeing anything immediately that would be confusing. The one exception to this is that there are some workflows setup on enwiki where information is pre-populated when you click a button (one example: what happens after you send an email and click \u003Ca rel=\"mw:WikiLink/Interwiki\" href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Emailsenttext\" title=\"en:MediaWiki:Emailsenttext\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;piped\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Emailsenttext\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;:en:MediaWiki:Emailsenttext\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;isIW\u0026quot;:true,\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[990,1031,30,2]}\"\u003Eadd topic\u003C/a\u003E). Doesn't happen a ton on enwiki but it does happen - especially in places that might be error prone for novice users and I'm not sure how much, if at all, this happens on other wikis.\u003C/p\u003E\u003C/section\u003E" ,"format":"fixed-html"},"watchable":false,"replyToId":"vwpwr84naer42ovi","postId":"vx09de7k5hytj73a","isMaxThreadingDepth":false,"creator":{"name":"Barkeep49","wiki":"mediawikiwiki","gender":"unknown","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/Barkeep49","title":"Contributions/Barkeep49","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:Barkeep49","title":"Barkeep49","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49","title":"User talk:Barkeep49","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":13020485},"isNewPage":false,"replies":["vx9e8tbwqjizysh2","vx9ep0qu05g8ipbc","vx9on5l13fcpb4b3"]},"vx0k4nzoh2ep3cj6":{"_BC_bools":["isOriginalContent","isModerated","isLocked","isModeratedNotLocked","isWatched","watchable","isMaxThreadingDepth","isNewPage"],"workflowId":"vwpwr84naer42ovi","articleTitle":"Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi","revisionId":"vx0k4nzoh2ep3cj6","timestamp":"20201102224811","changeType":"reply","dateFormats":[],"properties":[], "isOriginalContent":true,"isModerated":false,"links":{"topic-history":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=history","title":"History","text":"History"},"topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi","title":"topic","text":"topic"},"post":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026topic_showPostId=vx0k4nzoh2ep3cj6#flow-post-vx0k4nzoh2ep3cj6","title":"post","text":"post"},"post-revision":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026topic_postId=vx0k4nzoh2ep3cj6\u0026topic_revId=vx0k4nzoh2ep3cj6\u0026action=single-view","title":"post revision","text":"post revision"},"watch-topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=watch","title":"Watch","text":"Watch"},"unwatch-topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=unwatch","title":"Unwatch","text":"Unwatch"}},"actions":[],"size":{"old":"0" ,"new":"205"},"author":{"name":"Whatamidoing (WMF)","wiki":"mediawikiwiki","gender":"female","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/Whatamidoing_(WMF)","title":"Contributions/Whatamidoing (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)","title":"Whatamidoing (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:Whatamidoing_(WMF)","title":"User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":927293},"lastEditUser":{"name":null,"wiki":null,"gender":"unknown","links":[],"id":null},"lastEditId":null,"previousRevisionId":null,"isLocked":false,"isModeratedNotLocked":false,"content":{"content": "\u003Csection data-mw-section-id=\"0\" data-parsoid=\"{}\"\u003E\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[0,205,0,0]}\"\u003EI think Peter's hoping to get separate threads for most feedback. If you click on \u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Talk:Talk_pages_project/New_discussion\" class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"Talk:Talk pages project/New discussion\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;simple\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Talk:Talk_pages_project/New_discussion\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Talk:Talk pages project/New discussion\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[83,125,2,2]}\"\u003ETalk:Talk pages project/New discussion\u003C/a\u003E you'll see a space to start a new thread (if you want to have your own thread).\u003C/p\u003E\u003C/section\u003E","format":"fixed-html"},"watchable":false,"replyToId":"vwpwr84naer42ovi","postId":"vx0k4nzoh2ep3cj6", "isMaxThreadingDepth":false,"creator":{"name":"Whatamidoing (WMF)","wiki":"mediawikiwiki","gender":"female","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/Whatamidoing_(WMF)","title":"Contributions/Whatamidoing (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)","title":"Whatamidoing (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:Whatamidoing_(WMF)","title":"User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":927293},"isNewPage":false,"replies":["w06l1sld9ughgd29"]},"vx5hcux19cigtslt":{"_BC_bools":["isOriginalContent","isModerated","isLocked","isModeratedNotLocked","isWatched","watchable","isMaxThreadingDepth","isNewPage"],"workflowId":"vwpwr84naer42ovi","articleTitle":"Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi","revisionId":"vx5hcux19cigtslt","timestamp":"20201105035033","changeType":"reply","dateFormats":[],"properties":[],"isOriginalContent":true,"isModerated":false,"links":{"topic-history":{"url": "//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=history","title":"History","text":"History"},"topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi","title":"topic","text":"topic"},"post":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026topic_showPostId=vx5hcux19cigtslt#flow-post-vx5hcux19cigtslt","title":"post","text":"post"},"post-revision":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026topic_postId=vx5hcux19cigtslt\u0026topic_revId=vx5hcux19cigtslt\u0026action=single-view","title":"post revision","text":"post revision"},"watch-topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=watch","title":"Watch","text":"Watch"},"unwatch-topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=unwatch","title":"Unwatch","text":"Unwatch"}},"actions":[],"size":{"old":"0","new":"1015"},"author":{"name":"PPelberg (WMF)","wiki":"mediawikiwiki", "gender":"unknown","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"Contributions/PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"User talk:PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":16721796},"lastEditUser":{"name":null,"wiki":null,"gender":"unknown","links":[],"id":null},"lastEditId":null,"previousRevisionId":null,"isLocked":false,"isModeratedNotLocked":false,"content":{"content": "\u003Csection data-mw-section-id=\"0\" data-parsoid=\"{}\"\u003E\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[0,391,0,0]}\"\u003E\u003Cspan class=\"inline-quote-talk\" style=\"font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; background:#f8f8f8; padding:0 0.5em; color: #008560;\" about=\"#mwt1\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;html\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[0,391,null,null],\u0026quot;pi\u0026quot;:[[{\u0026quot;k\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;}]]}\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Talk quotation\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:Talk_quotation\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Thanks for your mention. Unfortunatelly I am currently short of free time to engage in discussions regarding Discussion Tools. I am still interested in the feature though. While you may keep drawing my attention to matters regarding Discussion Tools, I apologize for not being able to reply in time (or reply at all) to some of them. Apologies again. Some comments though:\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\"\u003EThanks for your mention. Unfortunatelly I am currently short of free time to engage in discussions regarding Discussion Tools. I am still interested in the feature though. While you may keep drawing my attention to matters regarding Discussion Tools, I apologize for not being able to reply in time (or reply at all) to some of them. Apologies again. Some comments though:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[393,539,0,0]}\"\u003EUnderstood (and thank you for sharing this context!). Please know that in pinging you I was not meaning to suggest that we expected a response\u003Cspan typeof=\"mw:DisplaySpace\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[535,536,0,0]}\"\u003E \u003C/span\u003E:) \u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[541,656,0,0]}\"\u003E\u003Cspan class=\"inline-quote-talk\" style=\"font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; background:#f8f8f8; padding:0 0.5em; color: #008560;\" about=\"#mwt2\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;html\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[541,656,null,null],\u0026quot;pi\u0026quot;:[[{\u0026quot;k\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;}]]}\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Talk quotation\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:Talk_quotation\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;I'd appreciate if the edit toolbar appeared not only in visual mode, but on source mode as well.\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\"\u003EI'd appreciate if the edit toolbar appeared not only in visual mode, but on source mode as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[658,955,0,0]}\"\u003E\u003Cspan about=\"#mwt3\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;pi\u0026quot;:[[{\u0026quot;k\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;}]],\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[658,686,null,null]}\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;FlowMention\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:FlowMention\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;MarcoAurelio\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\"\u003E@\u003C/span\u003E\u003Ca href=\"/wiki/User:MarcoAurelio\" title=\"User:MarcoAurelio\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" about=\"#mwt3\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;piped\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./User:MarcoAurelio\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;User:MarcoAurelio\u0026quot;}}\"\u003EMarcoAurelio\u003C/a\u003E are there particular tools you'd value in \u003Ccode data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;html\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[729,748,6,7]}\"\u003Esource\u003C/code\u003E mode? \u003Cspan about=\"#mwt4\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;pi\u0026quot;:[[{\u0026quot;k\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;}]],\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[755,780,null,null]}\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;FlowMention\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:FlowMention\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Patriccck\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\"\u003E@\u003C/span\u003E\u003Ca href=\"/wiki/User:Patriccck\" title=\"User:Patriccck\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" about=\"#mwt4\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;piped\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./User:Patriccck\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;User:Patriccck\u0026quot;}}\"\u003EPatriccck\u003C/a\u003E, I was getting ready to ask you the same when I saw you'd already commented [i] a response to this question on the ticket where we are thinking about this topic (thank you!).\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[956,961,0,0]}\"\u003E\n\u003Cbr data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[957,957,0,0]}\"/\u003E\n---\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[963,1015,0,0]}\"\u003Ei. \u003Ca rel=\"mw:ExtLink\" href=\"https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T257391#6476232\" class=\"external free\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;url\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[966,1015,0,0]}\"\u003Ehttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T257391#6476232\u003C/a\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003C/section\u003E" ,"format":"fixed-html"},"watchable":false,"replyToId":"vwtdhh0145i2rkki","postId":"vx5hcux19cigtslt","isMaxThreadingDepth":false,"creator":{"name":"PPelberg 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true,"isModerated":false,"links":{"topic-history":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=history","title":"History","text":"History"},"topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi","title":"topic","text":"topic"},"post":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026topic_showPostId=vx5hev3c0ef7dnvg#flow-post-vx5hev3c0ef7dnvg","title":"post","text":"post"},"post-revision":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026topic_postId=vx5hev3c0ef7dnvg\u0026topic_revId=vx5hev3c0ef7dnvg\u0026action=single-view","title":"post revision","text":"post revision"},"watch-topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=watch","title":"Watch","text":"Watch"},"unwatch-topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=unwatch","title":"Unwatch","text":"Unwatch"}},"actions":[],"size":{"old":"0","new":"163"}, "author":{"name":"PPelberg (WMF)","wiki":"mediawikiwiki","gender":"unknown","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"Contributions/PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"User talk:PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":16721796},"lastEditUser":{"name":null,"wiki":null,"gender":"unknown","links":[],"id":null},"lastEditId":null,"previousRevisionId":null,"isLocked":false,"isModeratedNotLocked":false,"content":{"content": "\u003Csection data-mw-section-id=\"0\" data-parsoid=\"{}\"\u003E\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[0,122,0,0]}\"\u003E\u003Cspan class=\"inline-quote-talk\" style=\"font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; background:#f8f8f8; padding:0 0.5em; color: #008560;\" about=\"#mwt1\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;html\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[0,122,null,null],\u0026quot;pi\u0026quot;:[[{\u0026quot;k\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;}]]}\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Tq\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:Tq\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;...I advertised this at w:ja:Wikipedia:\u0026#x4E95;\u0026#x6238;\u0026#x7AEF;/subj/\u0026#x8FD4;\u0026#x4FE1;\u0026#x30C4;\u0026#x30FC;\u0026#x30EB;\u0026#x3092;\u0026#x30D9;\u0026#x30FC;\u0026#x30BF;\u0026#x6A5F;\u0026#x80FD;\u0026#x3068;\u0026#x3057;\u0026#x3066;\u0026#x5C0E;\u0026#x5165;\u0026#x3059;\u0026#x308B;\u0026#x63D0;\u0026#x6848;.\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\"\u003E...I advertised this at w:ja:Wikipedia:井戸端/subj/返信ツールをベータ機能として導入する提案.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[124,215,0,0]}\"\u003EThis is helpful – thank you for taking the initiative to do this, \u003Cspan about=\"#mwt2\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;pi\u0026quot;:[[{\u0026quot;k\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;}]],\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[192,214,null,null]}\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;FlowMention\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:FlowMention\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;\u0026#x30CD;\u0026#x30A4;\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\"\u003E@\u003C/span\u003E\u003Ca href=\"/wiki/User:%E3%83%8D%E3%82%A4\" title=\"User:\u0026#x30CD;\u0026#x30A4;\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" about=\"#mwt2\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;piped\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./User:\u0026#x30CD;\u0026#x30A4;\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;User:\u0026#x30CD;\u0026#x30A4;\u0026quot;}}\"\u003Eネイ\u003C/a\u003E.\u003C/p\u003E\u003C/section\u003E" ,"format":"fixed-html"},"watchable":false,"replyToId":"vwpy1c5eqg8ezgsr","postId":"vx5hev3c0ef7dnvg","isMaxThreadingDepth":false,"creator":{"name":"PPelberg (WMF)","wiki":"mediawikiwiki","gender":"unknown","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"Contributions/PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"User talk:PPelberg 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true,"isModerated":false,"links":{"topic-history":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=history","title":"History","text":"History"},"topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi","title":"topic","text":"topic"},"post":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026topic_showPostId=vx5hfbxmruya3ru7#flow-post-vx5hfbxmruya3ru7","title":"post","text":"post"},"post-revision":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026topic_postId=vx5hfbxmruya3ru7\u0026topic_revId=vx5hfbxmruya3ru7\u0026action=single-view","title":"post revision","text":"post revision"},"watch-topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=watch","title":"Watch","text":"Watch"},"unwatch-topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=unwatch","title":"Unwatch","text":"Unwatch"}},"actions":[],"size":{"old":"0","new":"53"}, "author":{"name":"PPelberg (WMF)","wiki":"mediawikiwiki","gender":"unknown","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"Contributions/PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"User talk:PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":16721796},"lastEditUser":{"name":null,"wiki":null,"gender":"unknown","links":[],"id":null},"lastEditId":null,"previousRevisionId":null,"isLocked":false,"isModeratedNotLocked":false,"content":{"content": "\u003Csection data-mw-section-id=\"0\" data-parsoid=\"{}\"\u003E\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[0,53,0,0]}\"\u003EAh, my mistake. Thank you, \u003Cspan about=\"#mwt1\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;pi\u0026quot;:[[{\u0026quot;k\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;}]],\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[27,52,null,null]}\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;FlowMention\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:FlowMention\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Patriccck\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\"\u003E@\u003C/span\u003E\u003Ca href=\"/wiki/User:Patriccck\" title=\"User:Patriccck\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" about=\"#mwt1\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;piped\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./User:Patriccck\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;User:Patriccck\u0026quot;}}\"\u003EPatriccck\u003C/a\u003E.\u003C/p\u003E\u003C/section\u003E" ,"format":"fixed-html"},"watchable":false,"replyToId":"vwr2q0plkd58dq5x","postId":"vx5hfbxmruya3ru7","isMaxThreadingDepth":false,"creator":{"name":"PPelberg (WMF)","wiki":"mediawikiwiki","gender":"unknown","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"Contributions/PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"User talk:PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":16721796},"isNewPage":false,"replies":[]},"vx9jzs6n5muq1rg2":{"_BC_bools":["isOriginalContent","isModerated","isLocked","isModeratedNotLocked","isWatched","watchable","isMaxThreadingDepth","isNewPage"],"workflowId":"vwpwr84naer42ovi","articleTitle":"Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi","revisionId":"vx9jzs6n5muq1rg2","timestamp":"20201106234337","changeType":"edit-post","dateFormats":[],"properties":[], "isOriginalContent":false,"isModerated":false,"links":{"post-history":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=history\u0026topic_postId=vx7brnglaeb6wm9p","title":"History","text":"History"},"topic-history":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=history","title":"History","text":"History"},"topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi","title":"topic","text":"topic"},"post":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026topic_showPostId=vx7brnglaeb6wm9p#flow-post-vx7brnglaeb6wm9p","title":"post","text":"post"},"diff":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=compare-post-revisions\u0026topic_newRevision=vx9jzs6n5muq1rg2","title":"diff","text":"diff"},"diff-prev":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=compare-post-revisions\u0026topic_newRevision=vx9jzs6n5muq1rg2","title":"prev", "text":"prev"},"post-revision":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026topic_postId=vx7brnglaeb6wm9p\u0026topic_revId=vx9jzs6n5muq1rg2\u0026action=single-view","title":"post revision","text":"post revision"}},"actions":[],"size":{"old":"671","new":"671"},"author":{"name":"Julle","wiki":"mediawikiwiki","gender":"unknown","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/Julle","title":"Contributions/Julle","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:Julle","title":"Julle","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:Julle","title":"User talk:Julle","exists":false,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":356840},"lastEditUser":{"name":"Julle","wiki":"mediawikiwiki","gender":"unknown","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/Julle","title":"Contributions/Julle","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:Julle","title":"Julle","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{ "url":"/wiki/User_talk:Julle","title":"User talk:Julle","exists":false,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":356840},"lastEditId":"vx9jzs6n5muq1rg2","previousRevisionId":"vx7bwlhpsx5g9poi","isLocked":false,"isModeratedNotLocked":false,"content":{"content": "\u003Csection data-mw-section-id=\"0\" data-parsoid=\"{}\"\u003E\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[0,671,0,0]}\"\u003EI think one major obstacle for new users would be to find where you need to click to create a new topic, in this example. On most websites, I'd assume a big, visible button or empty text box. If you look at the animation in \u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion#Version_1\" class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"Talk pages project/New discussion\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;piped\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Talk_pages_project/New_discussion#Version_1\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Talk pages project/New discussion#Version 1\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[224,315,46,2]}\"\u003ETalk pages project/New discussion#Version 1\u003C/a\u003E, many will probably be inclined to immediately scroll past the banner-like information of the kind we have been \u003Ca rel=\"mw:WikiLink/Interwiki\" href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Banner%20blindness\" title=\"w:en:Banner blindness\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;piped\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Banner%20blindness\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;w:en:Banner blindness\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;isIW\u0026quot;:true,\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[428,471,24,2]}\"\u003Etrained to ignore\u003C/a\u003E, and the \"start a new discussion\" is a rather anonymous option. I wonder if this meets the second condition, \"People know what to click/press to initiate the process for talking about something new\".\u003C/p\u003E\u003C/section\u003E" ,"format":"fixed-html"},"watchable":false,"replyToId":"vwpwr84naer42ovi","postId":"vx7brnglaeb6wm9p","isMaxThreadingDepth":false,"creator":{"name":"Julle","wiki":"mediawikiwiki","gender":"unknown","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/Julle","title":"Contributions/Julle","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:Julle","title":"Julle","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:Julle","title":"User talk:Julle","exists":false,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":356840},"isNewPage":false,"replies":["vx9e14nt72yzogob"]},"vx9a3hi7s53mlk1p":{"_BC_bools":["isOriginalContent","isModerated","isLocked","isModeratedNotLocked","isWatched","watchable","isMaxThreadingDepth","isNewPage"],"workflowId":"vwpwr84naer42ovi","articleTitle":"Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi","revisionId":"vx9a3hi7s53mlk1p","timestamp":"20201106204554","changeType":"reply","dateFormats":[],"properties":[],"isOriginalContent":true,"isModerated":false,"links":{ "topic-history":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=history","title":"History","text":"History"},"topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi","title":"topic","text":"topic"},"post":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026topic_showPostId=vx9a3hi7s53mlk1p#flow-post-vx9a3hi7s53mlk1p","title":"post","text":"post"},"post-revision":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026topic_postId=vx9a3hi7s53mlk1p\u0026topic_revId=vx9a3hi7s53mlk1p\u0026action=single-view","title":"post revision","text":"post revision"},"watch-topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=watch","title":"Watch","text":"Watch"},"unwatch-topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=unwatch","title":"Unwatch","text":"Unwatch"}},"actions":[],"size":{"old":"0","new":"387"},"author":{"name":"Nehaoua","wiki": "mediawikiwiki","gender":"male","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nehaoua","title":"Contributions/Nehaoua","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:Nehaoua","title":"Nehaoua","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:Nehaoua","title":"User talk:Nehaoua","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":1027906},"lastEditUser":{"name":null,"wiki":null,"gender":"unknown","links":[],"id":null},"lastEditId":null,"previousRevisionId":null,"isLocked":false,"isModeratedNotLocked":false,"content":{"content": "\u003Csection data-mw-section-id=\"0\" data-parsoid=\"{}\"\u003E\u003Cul data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[0,387,0,0]}\"\u003E\u003Cli data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[0,71,1,0,1,1]}\"\u003E\u003Ci data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[2,70,2,2]}\"\u003EWhat do you like about the proposed design? indication with text\u003C/i\u003E\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[72,252,1,0,1,0]}\"\u003E\u003Ci data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[74,252,2,2]}\"\u003ECan you compare the designs being proposed here to the current experience? Can you accomplish your current workflow for adding new discussions with this proposal? very easly\u003C/i\u003E\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[253,387,1,0,1,0]}\"\u003E\u003Ci data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[255,387,2,2]}\"\u003EWhat other improvements do you think would be valuable for us to consider making to the new tool? a link for source mode edition\u003C/i\u003E\u003C/li\u003E\u003C/ul\u003E\u003C/section\u003E" ,"format":"fixed-html"},"watchable":false,"replyToId":"vwpwr84naer42ovi","postId":"vx9a3hi7s53mlk1p","isMaxThreadingDepth":false,"creator":{"name":"Nehaoua","wiki":"mediawikiwiki","gender":"male","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nehaoua","title":"Contributions/Nehaoua","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:Nehaoua","title":"Nehaoua","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:Nehaoua","title":"User talk:Nehaoua","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":1027906},"isNewPage":false,"replies":[]},"vx9e14nt72yzogob":{"_BC_bools":["isOriginalContent","isModerated","isLocked","isModeratedNotLocked","isWatched","watchable","isMaxThreadingDepth","isNewPage"],"workflowId":"vwpwr84naer42ovi","articleTitle":"Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi","revisionId":"vx9e14nt72yzogob","timestamp":"20201106215633","changeType":"reply","dateFormats":[],"properties":[],"isOriginalContent":true,"isModerated":false,"links":{"topic-history":{ "url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=history","title":"History","text":"History"},"topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi","title":"topic","text":"topic"},"post":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026topic_showPostId=vx9e14nt72yzogob#flow-post-vx9e14nt72yzogob","title":"post","text":"post"},"post-revision":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026topic_postId=vx9e14nt72yzogob\u0026topic_revId=vx9e14nt72yzogob\u0026action=single-view","title":"post revision","text":"post revision"},"watch-topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=watch","title":"Watch","text":"Watch"},"unwatch-topic":{"url":"//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026action=unwatch","title":"Unwatch","text":"Unwatch"}},"actions":[],"size":{"old":"0","new":"1547"},"author":{"name":"PPelberg (WMF)","wiki":"mediawikiwiki" ,"gender":"unknown","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"Contributions/PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"User talk:PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":16721796},"lastEditUser":{"name":null,"wiki":null,"gender":"unknown","links":[],"id":null},"lastEditId":null,"previousRevisionId":null,"isLocked":false,"isModeratedNotLocked":false,"content":{"content": "\u003Csection data-mw-section-id=\"0\" data-parsoid=\"{}\"\u003E\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[0,146,0,0]}\"\u003EThank you for taking the time to review these designs, \u003Cspan about=\"#mwt1\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;pi\u0026quot;:[[{\u0026quot;k\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;}]],\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[55,76,null,null]}\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;FlowMention\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:FlowMention\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Julle\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\"\u003E@\u003C/span\u003E\u003Ca href=\"/wiki/User:Julle\" title=\"User:Julle\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" about=\"#mwt1\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;piped\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./User:Julle\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;User:Julle\u0026quot;}}\"\u003EJulle\u003C/a\u003E! A couple of comments in response to the thoughts you shared below...\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[148,302,0,0]}\"\u003E\u003Cspan class=\"inline-quote-talk\" style=\"font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; background:#f8f8f8; padding:0 0.5em; color: #008560;\" about=\"#mwt2\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;html\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[148,302,null,null],\u0026quot;pi\u0026quot;:[[{\u0026quot;k\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;}]]}\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Talk quotation\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:Talk_quotation\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;I wonder if this meets the second condition, \\\u0026quot;People know what to click/press to initiate the process for talking about something new\\\u0026quot;.\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\"\u003EI wonder if this meets the second condition, \"People know what to click/press to initiate the process for talking about something new\".\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[304,671,0,0]}\"\u003EWe agree with you in thinking that Junior Contributors will continue to have difficulty asking questions/seeking guidance/etc. on talk pages until the affordance(s) for starting a new conversation are made to be easier to recognize and access. We think this need is pronounced on pages, as you alluded to, that contain large \u003Ca rel=\"mw:WikiLink/Interwiki\" href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Talk%20header\" title=\"en:Template:Talk header\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;piped\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Talk%20header\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;:en:Template:Talk header\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;isIW\u0026quot;:true,\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[629,670,27,2]}\"\u003ETalk headers\u003C/a\u003E.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[673,917,0,0]}\"\u003EWit the above in mind, we also agree with what you astutely pointed out: the \"People know what to click/press to initiate the process for talking about something new\". condition will not be met until this issue around affordance(s) is resolved.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[919,963,0,0]}\"\u003EOur current thinking is to do the following:\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cul data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[965,1386,0,0]}\"\u003E\u003Cli data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[965,1104,1,0,1,0]}\"\u003EEnsure Junior Contributors who are able to successfully initiate the workflow for add a new topic, can complete successfully \u003Ci data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[1092,1104,2,2]}\"\u003Eand then\u003C/i\u003E\u003C/li\u003E\n\u003Cli data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[1105,1386,1,0,1,0]}\"\u003EEnsure they (Junior Contributors) can instinctively identify the affordance for initiating said workflow no matter the type of talk page (e.g. user, article or project talk) they are on and the contents contained with in it (e.g. many/few talk headers, many/few existing topics).\u003C/li\u003E\u003C/ul\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[1388,1547,0,0]}\"\u003EThis is the ticket 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"author":{"name":"PPelberg (WMF)","wiki":"mediawikiwiki","gender":"unknown","links":{"contribs":{"url":"/wiki/Special:Contributions/PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"Contributions/PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"userpage":{"url":"/wiki/User:PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]},"talk":{"url":"/wiki/User_talk:PPelberg_(WMF)","title":"User talk:PPelberg (WMF)","exists":true,"_BC_bools":["exists"]}},"id":16721796},"lastEditUser":{"name":null,"wiki":null,"gender":"unknown","links":[],"id":null},"lastEditId":null,"previousRevisionId":null,"isLocked":false,"isModeratedNotLocked":false,"content":{"content": "\u003Csection data-mw-section-id=\"0\" data-parsoid=\"{}\"\u003E\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[0,173,0,0]}\"\u003EThank you for taking the time to review these designs and share what you think about them, \u003Cspan about=\"#mwt1\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;pi\u0026quot;:[[{\u0026quot;k\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;}]],\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[91,116,null,null]}\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;FlowMention\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:FlowMention\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Barkeep49\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\"\u003E@\u003C/span\u003E\u003Ca href=\"/wiki/User:Barkeep49\" title=\"User:Barkeep49\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" about=\"#mwt1\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;piped\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./User:Barkeep49\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;User:Barkeep49\u0026quot;}}\"\u003EBarkeep49\u003C/a\u003E. A couple of clarifying questions for you in response...\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[175,348,0,0]}\"\u003E\u003Cspan class=\"inline-quote-talk\" style=\"font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; background:#f8f8f8; padding:0 0.5em; color: #008560;\" about=\"#mwt2\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;html\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[175,348,null,null],\u0026quot;pi\u0026quot;:[[{\u0026quot;k\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;}]]}\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Talk quotation\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:Talk_quotation\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;...the instructions for adding a new topic for feedback here are incorrect for a tool that is all about people's inability to successfully add new topics.\u0026quot;}},\u0026quot;i\u0026quot;:0}}]}\"\u003E...the instructions for adding a new topic for feedback here are incorrect for a tool that is all about people's inability to successfully add new topics.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[350,534,0,0]}\"\u003ECan you say more about this? Which instructions are you referring to? ...I'm wanting to make sure the instructions I shared \u003Ca href=\"/wiki/Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\" title=\"Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\" rel=\"mw:WikiLink\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;piped\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;a\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;sa\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[474,505,25,2]}\"\u003Ehere\u003C/a\u003E are not confusing to anyone!\u003C/p\u003E\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[535,706,0,0]}\"\u003E\n\u003Cbr data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[536,536,0,0]}\"/\u003E\n\u003Cspan class=\"inline-quote-talk\" style=\"font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; background:#f8f8f8; padding:0 0.5em; color: #008560;\" about=\"#mwt3\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;html\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[537,706,null,null],\u0026quot;pi\u0026quot;:[[{\u0026quot;k\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;}]]}\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Talk quotation\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:Talk_quotation\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Needs to be clear that it's a completely new topic rather than a new subtopic. 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I've made an edit (see: \u003Ca rel=\"mw:ExtLink\" href=\"https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi\u0026amp;action=compare-post-revisions\u0026amp;topic_newRevision=vx9oa8215993stl5\" class=\"external text\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[110,269,133,1]}\"\u003ERevision=vx9oa8215993stl5\u003C/a\u003E) the original post to try and make the directions more explicit. If you thing something else could be done to make the instructions more clear, please let me know. \u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[436,557,0,0]}\"\u003E\u003Cspan class=\"inline-quote-talk\" style=\"font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; background:#f8f8f8; padding:0 0.5em; color: #008560;\" about=\"#mwt2\" typeof=\"mw:Transclusion\" data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;stx\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;html\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[436,557,null,null],\u0026quot;pi\u0026quot;:[[{\u0026quot;k\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;}]]}\" data-mw=\"{\u0026quot;parts\u0026quot;:[{\u0026quot;template\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;target\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;Tq\u0026quot;,\u0026quot;href\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;./Template:Tq\u0026quot;},\u0026quot;params\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;1\u0026quot;:{\u0026quot;wt\u0026quot;:\u0026quot;....yes that's what I'm saying. 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My instinct is that it will become clear to people what heading level the tool \"places\" topics at once they publish said topics to the talk page and/or review the diff of said edit.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[749,956,0,0]}\"\u003EWith this said, the above would not solve for a situation where someone is reluctant to publish an edit with the tool because they're not sure the level at which the topic they are drafting will be \"placed.\"\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[958,1138,0,0]}\"\u003EAssuming this describes the situation you have in mind, I consider it to be a part of the category of potential issues that's probably best dealt with once we observe it happening.\u003C/p\u003E\n\n\u003Cp data-parsoid=\"{\u0026quot;dsr\u0026quot;:[1140,1194,0,0]}\"\u003EPlease let me know if you are seeing anything I'm not.\u003C/p\u003E\u003C/section\u003E" 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class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:PPelberg_(WMF)" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>PPelberg (WMF)</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PPelberg_(WMF)" class="" title="User talk:PPelberg (WMF)">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PPelberg_(WMF)" title="Contributions/PPelberg (WMF)">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,119,0,0]}">What do you think about the designs we are considering implementing for the first iteration of the New Discussion Tool?</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[121,265,0,0]}">When you are ready to share what you have to say, we would value you adding a new topic on this talk page by doing the following <sup data-parsoid="{"stx":"html","dsr":[250,264,5,6]}">[i]</sup>:</p> <ol data-parsoid="{"dsr":[266,453,0,0]}"><li data-parsoid="{"dsr":[266,304,1,0]}">"Start a new topic" on this talk page</li> <li data-parsoid="{"dsr":[305,374,1,0]}">Name this new topic: "Initial designs feedback: <b data-parsoid="{"dsr":[354,373,3,3]}">YOUR USERNAME</b>"</li> <li data-parsoid="{"dsr":[375,453,1,0]}">Write the answers to you have to the <code data-parsoid="{"stx":"html","dsr":[413,442,6,7]}">Sharing feedback</code> questions.</li></ol> </section><section data-mw-section-id="1" data-parsoid="{}"><h3 id="Designs" data-parsoid="{"dsr":[454,467,3,3]}">Designs</h3> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[468,593,0,0]}"><i data-parsoid="{"dsr":[468,593,2,2]}">You can review the designs in their entirety on the project page here: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion#Version_1.0" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/New discussion" rel="mw:WikiLink" data-parsoid="{"stx":"simple","a":{"href":"./Talk_pages_project/New_discussion#Version_1.0"},"sa":{"href":"Talk pages project/New discussion#Version 1.0"},"dsr":[541,590,2,2]}">Talk pages project/New discussion#Version 1.0</a>.</i></p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[595,661,0,0]}"><figure-inline typeof="mw:Image" data-parsoid="{"optList":[{"ck":"width","ak":"576px"}],"dsr":[595,661,null,null]}"><a href="//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/./File:Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_(composition).png" data-parsoid="{}"><img resource="./File:Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_(composition).png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png/576px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png" data-file-width="2880" data-file-height="1610" data-file-type="bitmap" height="322" width="576" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png/864px-Screenshot_of_New_Discussion_Tool_%28composition%29.png 1.5x, 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proposal?</i></li> <li data-parsoid="{"dsr":[848,1015,1,0]}"><i data-parsoid="{"dsr":[849,1015,2,2]}">Can you compare the designs being proposed here to the current experience? Can you accomplish your current workflow for adding new discussions with this proposal?</i></li> <li data-parsoid="{"dsr":[1016,1118,1,0]}"><i data-parsoid="{"dsr":[1017,1118,2,2]}">What other improvements do you think would be valuable for us to consider making to the new tool?</i></li></ul> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[1119,1226,0,0]}">...of course, if other comments/questions come to mind as you are reviewing the designs, please share them.</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[1227,1232,0,0]}"> <br data-parsoid="{"dsr":[1228,1228,0,0]}"/> ---</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[1234,1411,0,0]}">i. This way of sharing feedback seemed to work well when we tried it with Version 2.0 of the Reply Tool: <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/replying/prototype_testing#Reply_tool_version_2.0" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/replying/prototype testing" rel="mw:WikiLink" data-parsoid="{"stx":"simple","a":{"href":"./Talk_pages_project/replying/prototype_testing#Reply_tool_version_2.0"},"sa":{"href":"Talk pages project/replying/prototype testing#Reply tool version 2.0"},"dsr":[1339,1411,2,2]}">Talk pages project/replying/prototype testing#Reply tool version 2.0</a></p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=vx9oa8215993stl5" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1604710839" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">01:00, 7 November 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vwpwr84naip6astq#flow-post-vwpwr84naip6astq"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> <!-- eachPost nested replies --> <div id="flow-post-vwqji55scd4butu9" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vwqji55scd4butu9" > <div class="flow-post-main flow-post-moderated"> <span class="flow-moderated-post-content"> <span class="plainlinks">This post was hidden by Patrik L. (<a class="external text" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=history">history</a>)</span> </span> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost nested replies --> <div id="flow-post-vwqrep6j47o6pjca" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vwqrep6j47o6pjca" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:JKlein_(WMF)" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>JKlein (WMF)</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JKlein_(WMF)" class="" title="User talk:JKlein (WMF)">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JKlein_(WMF)" title="Contributions/JKlein (WMF)">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,50,0,0]}">Thanks for your feedback <span about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[25,50,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Patriccck"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Patriccck" title="User:Patriccck" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Patriccck"},"sa":{"href":"User:Patriccck"}}">Patriccck</a></p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[52,322,0,0]}">Re: Help Editing Wikipedia - I believe that you are possibly misinterpreting the mockup as that is meant to be the title or subject of the message that someone wrote and the reason it's not focused is that in the mockup the contributor is writing in the text input box. </p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[323,878,0,0]}"> <br data-parsoid="{"dsr":[324,324,0,0]}"/> Floating button - is a good idea and one that we have been exploring. We know that there are versions of buttons on different wikis, but we thought for this first iteration of the feature, we'd get the infrastructure of the page sorted, moving around the major components of the interaction, and then add on page buttons in future iterations. The reason that we are exploring adding a button outside of the navigation is that when did usability tests junior contributors consistently struggled to locate the current button for starting a new discussion.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1603977275" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">13:14, 29 October 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul 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</span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,133,0,0]}">Pinging some people here who I thought might be interested in these New Discussion Tool designs and have valuable feedback to share. </p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[135,219,0,0]}">If you have time, we'd value hearing what y'all, and of course, anyone else, thinks.</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[220,625,0,0]}"> <br data-parsoid="{"dsr":[221,221,0,0]}"/> cc <span about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[225,255,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Ad Huikeshoven"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Ad_Huikeshoven" title="User:Ad Huikeshoven" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Ad_Huikeshoven"},"sa":{"href":"User:Ad Huikeshoven"}}">Ad Huikeshoven</a>, <span about="#mwt2" 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data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Urbanecm"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Urbanecm&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Urbanecm" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt14" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Urbanecm"},"sa":{"href":"User:Urbanecm"}}">Urbanecm</a>, <span about="#mwt15" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[603,625,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"ネイ"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:%E3%83%8D%E3%82%A4" title="User:ネイ" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt15" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:ネイ"},"sa":{"href":"User:ネイ"}}">ネイ</a></p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1603945631" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">04:27, 29 October 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vwpy1c5eqg8ezgsr#flow-post-vwpy1c5eqg8ezgsr"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> <!-- eachPost nested replies --> <div id="flow-post-vwtdhh0145i2rkki" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vwtdhh0145i2rkki" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:MarcoAurelio" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>MarcoAurelio</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:MarcoAurelio" class="" title="User talk:MarcoAurelio">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MarcoAurelio" title="Contributions/MarcoAurelio">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,396,0,0]}"><span about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[0,23,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"ping","href":"./Template:Ping"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"PPelberg (WMF)"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:PPelberg_(WMF)" title="User:PPelberg (WMF)" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1">PPelberg (WMF)</a><span about="#mwt1">:</span> Thanks for your mention. Unfortunatelly I am currently short of free time to engage in discussions regarding Discussion Tools. I am still interested in the feature though. While you may keep drawing my attention to matters regarding Discussion Tools, I apologize for not being able to reply in time (or reply at all) to some of them. Apologies again. Some comments though:</p> <dl data-parsoid="{"dsr":[398,442,0,0]}"><dt data-parsoid="{"dsr":[398,442,1,0]}">What do you like about the proposed design?</dt></dl> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[443,583,0,0]}">The new design feels okay. I feel that the capability to add new topics a talk page would be very welcome by both experienced and newcomers.</p> <dl data-parsoid="{"dsr":[584,632,0,0]}"><dt data-parsoid="{"dsr":[584,632,1,0]}">What do you wish was different in the proposal?</dt></dl> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[633,780,0,0]}">I can't remember if this was mentioned before, but I'd appreciate if the edit toolbar appeared not only in visual mode, but on source mode as well.</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[782,801,0,0]}">Hope that it helps.</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[803,816,0,0]}">Best regards.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=vwtjj8e7ziagkqsd" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1604085149" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">19:12, 30 October 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vwtdhh0145i2rkki#flow-post-vwtdhh0145i2rkki"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> <!-- eachPost nested replies --> <div id="flow-post-vx5hcux19cigtslt" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vx5hcux19cigtslt" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:PPelberg_(WMF)" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>PPelberg (WMF)</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PPelberg_(WMF)" class="" title="User talk:PPelberg (WMF)">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PPelberg_(WMF)" title="Contributions/PPelberg (WMF)">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,391,0,0]}"><span class="inline-quote-talk" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; background:#f8f8f8; padding:0 0.5em; color: #008560;" about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"stx":"html","dsr":[0,391,null,null],"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Talk quotation","href":"./Template:Talk_quotation"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Thanks for your mention. Unfortunatelly I am currently short of free time to engage in discussions regarding Discussion Tools. I am still interested in the feature though. While you may keep drawing my attention to matters regarding Discussion Tools, I apologize for not being able to reply in time (or reply at all) to some of them. Apologies again. Some comments though:"}},"i":0}}]}">Thanks for your mention. Unfortunatelly I am currently short of free time to engage in discussions regarding Discussion Tools. I am still interested in the feature though. While you may keep drawing my attention to matters regarding Discussion Tools, I apologize for not being able to reply in time (or reply at all) to some of them. Apologies again. Some comments though:</span></p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[393,539,0,0]}">Understood (and thank you for sharing this context!). Please know that in pinging you I was not meaning to suggest that we expected a response<span typeof="mw:DisplaySpace" data-parsoid="{"dsr":[535,536,0,0]}"> </span>:) </p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[541,656,0,0]}"><span class="inline-quote-talk" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; background:#f8f8f8; padding:0 0.5em; color: #008560;" about="#mwt2" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"stx":"html","dsr":[541,656,null,null],"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Talk quotation","href":"./Template:Talk_quotation"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"I'd appreciate if the edit toolbar appeared not only in visual mode, but on source mode as well."}},"i":0}}]}">I'd appreciate if the edit toolbar appeared not only in visual mode, but on source mode as well.</span></p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[658,955,0,0]}"><span about="#mwt3" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[658,686,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"MarcoAurelio"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:MarcoAurelio" title="User:MarcoAurelio" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt3" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:MarcoAurelio"},"sa":{"href":"User:MarcoAurelio"}}">MarcoAurelio</a> are there particular tools you'd value in <code data-parsoid="{"stx":"html","dsr":[729,748,6,7]}">source</code> mode? <span about="#mwt4" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[755,780,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Patriccck"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Patriccck" title="User:Patriccck" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt4" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Patriccck"},"sa":{"href":"User:Patriccck"}}">Patriccck</a>, I was getting ready to ask you the same when I saw you'd already commented [i] a response to this question on the ticket where we are thinking about this topic (thank you!).</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[956,961,0,0]}"> <br data-parsoid="{"dsr":[957,957,0,0]}"/> ---</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[963,1015,0,0]}">i. <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T257391#6476232" class="external free" data-parsoid="{"stx":"url","dsr":[966,1015,0,0]}">https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T257391#6476232</a></p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1604548233" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">03:50, 5 November 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vx5hcux19cigtslt#flow-post-vx5hcux19cigtslt"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost nested replies --> <div id="flow-post-vwts1uc91u667110" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vwts1uc91u667110" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Patrik_L." class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Patrik L.</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrik_L." class="" title="User talk:Patrik L.">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Patrik_L." title="Contributions/Patrik L.">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,46,0,0]}"><span about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[0,28,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"MarcoAurelio"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:MarcoAurelio" title="User:MarcoAurelio" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:MarcoAurelio"},"sa":{"href":"User:MarcoAurelio"}}">MarcoAurelio</a> I agree with you.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1604094325" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">21:45, 30 October 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vwts1uc91u667110#flow-post-vwts1uc91u667110"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost nested replies --> <div id="flow-post-vwuvr3t78h1bbup8" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vwuvr3t78h1bbup8" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:%E3%83%8D%E3%82%A4" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>ネイ</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E3%83%8D%E3%82%A4" class="" title="User talk:ネイ">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/%E3%83%8D%E3%82%A4" title="Contributions/ネイ">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,156,0,0]}">Haven't gone through the design yet but I advertised this at <a rel="mw:WikiLink/Interwiki" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ja:Wikipedia:井戸端/subj/返信ツールをベータ機能として導入する提案" title="w:ja:Wikipedia:井戸端/subj/返信ツールをベータ機能として導入する提案" data-parsoid="{"stx":"simple","a":{"href":"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ja:Wikipedia:井戸端/subj/返信ツールをベータ機能として導入する提案"},"sa":{"href":"w:ja:Wikipedia:井戸端/subj/返信ツールをベータ機能として導入する提案"},"isIW":true,"dsr":[61,155,2,2]}">w:ja:Wikipedia:井戸端/subj/返信ツールをベータ機能として導入する提案</a>.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1604137099" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">09:38, 31 October 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action 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(WMF)">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,122,0,0]}"><span class="inline-quote-talk" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; background:#f8f8f8; padding:0 0.5em; color: #008560;" about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"stx":"html","dsr":[0,122,null,null],"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Tq","href":"./Template:Tq"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"...I advertised this at w:ja:Wikipedia:井戸端/subj/返信ツールをベータ機能として導入する提案."}},"i":0}}]}">...I advertised this at w:ja:Wikipedia:井戸端/subj/返信ツールをベータ機能として導入する提案.</span></p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[124,215,0,0]}">This is helpful – thank you for taking the initiative to do this, <span about="#mwt2" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[192,214,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"ネイ"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:%E3%83%8D%E3%82%A4" title="User:ネイ" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt2" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:ネイ"},"sa":{"href":"User:ネイ"}}">ネイ</a>.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1604548293" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">03:51, 5 November 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vx5hev3c0ef7dnvg#flow-post-vx5hev3c0ef7dnvg"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-vwr2q0plkd58dq5x" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vwr2q0plkd58dq5x" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Patrik_L." class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Patrik L.</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Patrik_L." class="" title="User talk:Patrik L.">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Patrik_L." title="Contributions/Patrik L.">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,65,0,0]}">Note: Peter, Urbanecm is probably <span about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[34,64,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Martin Urbanec"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Martin_Urbanec" title="User:Martin Urbanec" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Martin_Urbanec"},"sa":{"href":"User:Martin Urbanec"}}">Martin Urbanec</a>.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1603989465" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">16:37, 29 October 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vwr2q0plkd58dq5x#flow-post-vwr2q0plkd58dq5x"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> <!-- eachPost nested replies --> <div id="flow-post-vx5hfbxmruya3ru7" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vx5hfbxmruya3ru7" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:PPelberg_(WMF)" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>PPelberg (WMF)</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PPelberg_(WMF)" class="" title="User talk:PPelberg (WMF)">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PPelberg_(WMF)" title="Contributions/PPelberg (WMF)">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,53,0,0]}">Ah, my mistake. Thank you, <span about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[27,52,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Patriccck"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Patriccck" title="User:Patriccck" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Patriccck"},"sa":{"href":"User:Patriccck"}}">Patriccck</a>.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1604548307" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">03:51, 5 November 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vx5hfbxmruya3ru7#flow-post-vx5hfbxmruya3ru7"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-vx07k4x2p2ibt94b" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vx07k4x2p2ibt94b" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Whatamidoing (WMF)</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" class="" title="User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="Contributions/Whatamidoing (WMF)">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,453,0,0]}">Pinging some of the people on the <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Participate" title="Talk pages project/Participate" rel="mw:WikiLink" data-parsoid="{"stx":"simple","a":{"href":"./Talk_pages_project/Participate"},"sa":{"href":"Talk pages project/Participate"},"dsr":[34,68,2,2]}">Talk pages project/Participate</a> list: <span about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[76,99,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Dvorapa"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Dvorapa" title="User:Dvorapa" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Dvorapa"},"sa":{"href":"User:Dvorapa"}}">Dvorapa</a>, <span about="#mwt2" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[101,122,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Stryn"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Stryn" title="User:Stryn" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt2" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Stryn"},"sa":{"href":"User:Stryn"}}">Stryn</a>, <span about="#mwt3" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[124,149,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Barkeep49"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt3" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Barkeep49"},"sa":{"href":"User:Barkeep49"}}">Barkeep49</a>, <span about="#mwt4" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[151,175,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Gryllida"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Gryllida" title="User:Gryllida" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt4" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Gryllida"},"sa":{"href":"User:Gryllida"}}">Gryllida</a>, <span about="#mwt5" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[177,199,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Jules*"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Jules*" title="User:Jules*" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt5" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Jules*"},"sa":{"href":"User:Jules*"}}">Jules*</a>, <span about="#mwt6" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[201,224,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"ZI Jony"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:ZI_Jony" title="User:ZI Jony" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt6" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:ZI_Jony"},"sa":{"href":"User:ZI Jony"}}">ZI Jony</a>, <span about="#mwt7" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[226,252,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Sophivorus"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Sophivorus" title="User:Sophivorus" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt7" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Sophivorus"},"sa":{"href":"User:Sophivorus"}}">Sophivorus</a>, <span about="#mwt8" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[254,278,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Wladek92"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Wladek92" title="User:Wladek92" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt8" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Wladek92"},"sa":{"href":"User:Wladek92"}}">Wladek92</a>, <span about="#mwt9" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[280,300,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Aram"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Aram" title="User:Aram" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt9" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Aram"},"sa":{"href":"User:Aram"}}">Aram</a>, <span about="#mwt10" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[302,328,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Diego Moya"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Diego_Moya" title="User:Diego Moya" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt10" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Diego_Moya"},"sa":{"href":"User:Diego Moya"}}">Diego Moya</a>, <span about="#mwt11" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[330,372,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Evolution and evolvability"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Evolution_and_evolvability" title="User:Evolution and evolvability" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt11" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Evolution_and_evolvability"},"sa":{"href":"User:Evolution and evolvability"}}">Evolution and evolvability</a>, <span about="#mwt12" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[374,394,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"FNDE"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:FNDE" title="User:FNDE" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt12" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:FNDE"},"sa":{"href":"User:FNDE"}}">FNDE</a>, <span about="#mwt13" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[396,425,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Awesome Aasim"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Awesome_Aasim" title="User:Awesome Aasim" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt13" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Awesome_Aasim"},"sa":{"href":"User:Awesome Aasim"}}">Awesome Aasim</a>, <span about="#mwt14" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[427,452,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Semantoya"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Semantoya" title="User:Semantoya" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt14" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Semantoya"},"sa":{"href":"User:Semantoya"}}">Semantoya</a>:</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[455,787,0,0]}">Please look at this design and follow PPelberg's instructions to post your feedback. Also, please consider putting this page (<a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/New discussion" rel="mw:WikiLink" data-parsoid="{"stx":"simple","a":{"href":"./Talk_pages_project/New_discussion"},"sa":{"href":"Talk pages project/New discussion"},"dsr":[582,619,2,2]}">Talk pages project/New discussion</a>) on your watchlist. If you do, you'll get a notification about each new thread that's started on this talk page, so you'll have an easy way to find out about changes.</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[789,1047,0,0]}">Please share this thread with other people, especially editors who work with newcomers at your home wiki. This link will work at all WMF wikis and bring people straight to the top of this thread: <code data-parsoid="{"stx":"html","dsr":[987,1046,6,7]}"><span typeof="mw:Nowiki" data-parsoid="{"dsr":[993,1039,8,9]}">[[mw:Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi]]</span></code>.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=vx07m53d0ysaw1wg" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1604343808" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">19:03, 2 November 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vx07k4x2p2ibt94b#flow-post-vx07k4x2p2ibt94b"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-vx09de7k5hytj73a" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vx09de7k5hytj73a" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Barkeep49</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" class="" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Barkeep49" title="Contributions/Barkeep49">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,175,0,0]}">So I find it funny that the instructions for adding a new topic for feedback here are incorrect for a tool that is all about people's inability to successfully add new topics.</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[177,264,0,0]}"><b data-parsoid="{"dsr":[177,226,3,3]}">What do you like about the proposed design?</b> Follows the inline reply tool nicely.</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[266,470,0,0]}"><b data-parsoid="{"dsr":[266,319,3,3]}">What do you wish was different in the proposal?</b> Needs to be clear that it's a completely new topic rather than a new subtopic. This seems like a point of potential confusion for Junior contributors.</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[472,1216,0,0]}"><b data-parsoid="{"dsr":[472,643,3,3]}">Can you compare the designs being proposed here to to the current experience? Can you accomplish your current workflow for adding new discussions with this proposal?</b> I generally don't use the add topic button but when I do this experience seems familiar. I am not seeing anything immediately that would be confusing. The one exception to this is that there are some workflows setup on enwiki where information is pre-populated when you click a button (one example: what happens after you send an email and click <a rel="mw:WikiLink/Interwiki" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Emailsenttext" title="en:MediaWiki:Emailsenttext" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Emailsenttext"},"sa":{"href":":en:MediaWiki:Emailsenttext"},"isIW":true,"dsr":[990,1031,30,2]}">add topic</a>). Doesn't happen a ton on enwiki but it does happen - especially in places that might be error prone for novice users and I'm not sure how much, if at all, this happens on other wikis.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=vx09g18nxt0dik36" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1604345780" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">19:36, 2 November 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vx09de7k5hytj73a#flow-post-vx09de7k5hytj73a"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> <!-- eachPost nested replies --> <div id="flow-post-vx9e8tbwqjizysh2" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vx9e8tbwqjizysh2" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:PPelberg_(WMF)" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>PPelberg (WMF)</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PPelberg_(WMF)" class="" title="User talk:PPelberg (WMF)">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PPelberg_(WMF)" title="Contributions/PPelberg (WMF)">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,173,0,0]}">Thank you for taking the time to review these designs and share what you think about them, <span about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[91,116,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Barkeep49"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Barkeep49"},"sa":{"href":"User:Barkeep49"}}">Barkeep49</a>. A couple of clarifying questions for you in response...</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[175,348,0,0]}"><span class="inline-quote-talk" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; background:#f8f8f8; padding:0 0.5em; color: #008560;" about="#mwt2" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"stx":"html","dsr":[175,348,null,null],"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Talk quotation","href":"./Template:Talk_quotation"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"...the instructions for adding a new topic for feedback here are incorrect for a tool that is all about people's inability to successfully add new topics."}},"i":0}}]}">...the instructions for adding a new topic for feedback here are incorrect for a tool that is all about people's inability to successfully add new topics.</span></p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[350,534,0,0]}">Can you say more about this? Which instructions are you referring to? ...I'm wanting to make sure the instructions I shared <a href="/wiki/Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi" title="Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi" rel="mw:WikiLink" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi"},"sa":{"href":"Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi"},"dsr":[474,505,25,2]}">here</a> are not confusing to anyone!</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[535,706,0,0]}"> <br data-parsoid="{"dsr":[536,536,0,0]}"/> <span class="inline-quote-talk" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; background:#f8f8f8; padding:0 0.5em; color: #008560;" about="#mwt3" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"stx":"html","dsr":[537,706,null,null],"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Talk quotation","href":"./Template:Talk_quotation"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Needs to be clear that it's a completely new topic rather than a new subtopic. This seems like a point of potential confusion for Junior contributors."}},"i":0}}]}">Needs to be clear that it's a completely new topic rather than a new subtopic. This seems like a point of potential confusion for Junior contributors.</span></p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[708,915,0,0]}">In saying the above are you saying something to the effect, "The tool should make it clear to people what type of heading "you" will be adding to the page when using this tool to add a new discussion topic."</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1604700023" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">22:00, 6 November 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vx9e8tbwqjizysh2#flow-post-vx9e8tbwqjizysh2"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost nested replies --> <div id="flow-post-vx9ep0qu05g8ipbc" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vx9ep0qu05g8ipbc" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Barkeep49</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" class="" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Barkeep49" title="Contributions/Barkeep49">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,205,0,0]}">The first question was about this feedback. It appears from what WAID has said below that I did not give the feedback in the way you desired; it was because I didn't understand the directions for doing so.</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[207,342,0,0]}">For the second question, yes that's what I'm saying. I maybe wouldn't use heading with a junior contributor but that's what I'm saying.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1604700508" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">22:08, 6 November 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vx9ep0qu05g8ipbc#flow-post-vx9ep0qu05g8ipbc"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost nested replies --> <div id="flow-post-vx9on5l13fcpb4b3" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vx9on5l13fcpb4b3" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:PPelberg_(WMF)" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>PPelberg (WMF)</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PPelberg_(WMF)" class="" title="User talk:PPelberg (WMF)">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PPelberg_(WMF)" title="Contributions/PPelberg (WMF)">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,74,0,0]}"><span class="inline-quote-talk" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; background:#f8f8f8; padding:0 0.5em; color: #008560;" about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"stx":"html","dsr":[0,74,null,null],"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Tq","href":"./Template:Tq"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"... it was because I didn't understand the directions for doing so."}},"i":0}}]}">... it was because I didn't understand the directions for doing so.</span></p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[76,434,0,0]}">Ah, okay. I've made an edit (see: <a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=vx9oa8215993stl5" class="external text" data-parsoid="{"dsr":[110,269,133,1]}">Revision=vx9oa8215993stl5</a>) the original post to try and make the directions more explicit. If you thing something else could be done to make the instructions more clear, please let me know. </p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[436,557,0,0]}"><span class="inline-quote-talk" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; background:#f8f8f8; padding:0 0.5em; color: #008560;" about="#mwt2" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"stx":"html","dsr":[436,557,null,null],"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Tq","href":"./Template:Tq"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"....yes that's what I'm saying. I maybe wouldn't use heading with a junior contributor but that's what I'm saying."}},"i":0}}]}">....yes that's what I'm saying. I maybe wouldn't use heading with a junior contributor but that's what I'm saying.</span></p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[559,747,0,0]}">I see. My instinct is that it will become clear to people what heading level the tool "places" topics at once they publish said topics to the talk page and/or review the diff of said edit.</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[749,956,0,0]}">With this said, the above would not solve for a situation where someone is reluctant to publish an edit with the tool because they're not sure the level at which the topic they are drafting will be "placed."</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[958,1138,0,0]}">Assuming this describes the situation you have in mind, I consider it to be a part of the category of potential issues that's probably best dealt with once we observe it happening.</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[1140,1194,0,0]}">Please let me know if you are seeing anything I'm not.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1604711226" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">01:07, 7 November 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vx9on5l13fcpb4b3#flow-post-vx9on5l13fcpb4b3"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-vx0k4nzoh2ep3cj6" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vx0k4nzoh2ep3cj6" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Whatamidoing (WMF)</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whatamidoing_(WMF)" class="" title="User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Whatamidoing_(WMF)" title="Contributions/Whatamidoing (WMF)">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,205,0,0]}">I think Peter's hoping to get separate threads for most feedback. If you click on <a href="/wiki/Talk:Talk_pages_project/New_discussion" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Talk pages project/New discussion" rel="mw:WikiLink" data-parsoid="{"stx":"simple","a":{"href":"./Talk:Talk_pages_project/New_discussion"},"sa":{"href":"Talk:Talk pages project/New discussion"},"dsr":[83,125,2,2]}">Talk:Talk pages project/New discussion</a> you'll see a space to start a new thread (if you want to have your own thread).</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1604357291" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">22:48, 2 November 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vx0k4nzoh2ep3cj6#flow-post-vx0k4nzoh2ep3cj6"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> <!-- eachPost nested replies --> <div id="flow-post-w06l1sld9ughgd29" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="w06l1sld9ughgd29" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Pelagic" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Pelagic</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pelagic" class="" title="User talk:Pelagic">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pelagic" title="Contributions/Pelagic">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,78,0,0]}">I came here from an Echo notification which put me in the single Topic: view. </p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[80,228,0,0]}">Did a bit of a double take – “what, add topic, where?” – then realised I needed to navigate up to the whole-board view to add the new topic.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1608779863" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">03:17, 24 December 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">3 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=w06l1sld9ughgd29#flow-post-w06l1sld9ughgd29"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-vx7brnglaeb6wm9p" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vx7brnglaeb6wm9p" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Julle" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Julle</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Julle" class="new " title="User talk:Julle">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Julle" title="Contributions/Julle">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,671,0,0]}">I think one major obstacle for new users would be to find where you need to click to create a new topic, in this example. On most websites, I'd assume a big, visible button or empty text box. If you look at the animation in <a href="/wiki/Talk_pages_project/New_discussion#Version_1" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk pages project/New discussion" rel="mw:WikiLink" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./Talk_pages_project/New_discussion#Version_1"},"sa":{"href":"Talk pages project/New discussion#Version 1"},"dsr":[224,315,46,2]}">Talk pages project/New discussion#Version 1</a>, many will probably be inclined to immediately scroll past the banner-like information of the kind we have been <a rel="mw:WikiLink/Interwiki" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Banner%20blindness" title="w:en:Banner blindness" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Banner%20blindness"},"sa":{"href":"w:en:Banner blindness"},"isIW":true,"dsr":[428,471,24,2]}">trained to ignore</a>, and the "start a new discussion" is a rather anonymous option. I wonder if this meets the second condition, "People know what to click/press to initiate the process for talking about something new".</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <span> Edited </span> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=compare-post-revisions&topic_newRevision=vx9jzs6n5muq1rg2" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1604706217" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">23:43, 6 November 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vx7brnglaeb6wm9p#flow-post-vx7brnglaeb6wm9p"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> <!-- eachPost nested replies --> <div id="flow-post-vx9e14nt72yzogob" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vx9e14nt72yzogob" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:PPelberg_(WMF)" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>PPelberg (WMF)</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PPelberg_(WMF)" class="" title="User talk:PPelberg (WMF)">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PPelberg_(WMF)" title="Contributions/PPelberg (WMF)">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,146,0,0]}">Thank you for taking the time to review these designs, <span about="#mwt1" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]],"dsr":[55,76,null,null]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"FlowMention","href":"./Template:FlowMention"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"Julle"}},"i":0}}]}">@</span><a href="/wiki/User:Julle" title="User:Julle" rel="mw:WikiLink" about="#mwt1" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"./User:Julle"},"sa":{"href":"User:Julle"}}">Julle</a>! A couple of comments in response to the thoughts you shared below...</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[148,302,0,0]}"><span class="inline-quote-talk" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; background:#f8f8f8; padding:0 0.5em; color: #008560;" about="#mwt2" typeof="mw:Transclusion" data-parsoid="{"stx":"html","dsr":[148,302,null,null],"pi":[[{"k":"1"}]]}" data-mw="{"parts":[{"template":{"target":{"wt":"Talk quotation","href":"./Template:Talk_quotation"},"params":{"1":{"wt":"I wonder if this meets the second condition, \"People know what to click/press to initiate the process for talking about something new\"."}},"i":0}}]}">I wonder if this meets the second condition, "People know what to click/press to initiate the process for talking about something new".</span></p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[304,671,0,0]}">We agree with you in thinking that Junior Contributors will continue to have difficulty asking questions/seeking guidance/etc. on talk pages until the affordance(s) for starting a new conversation are made to be easier to recognize and access. We think this need is pronounced on pages, as you alluded to, that contain large <a rel="mw:WikiLink/Interwiki" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Talk%20header" title="en:Template:Talk header" data-parsoid="{"stx":"piped","a":{"href":"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Talk%20header"},"sa":{"href":":en:Template:Talk header"},"isIW":true,"dsr":[629,670,27,2]}">Talk headers</a>.</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[673,917,0,0]}">Wit the above in mind, we also agree with what you astutely pointed out: the "People know what to click/press to initiate the process for talking about something new". condition will not be met until this issue around affordance(s) is resolved.</p> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[919,963,0,0]}">Our current thinking is to do the following:</p> <ul data-parsoid="{"dsr":[965,1386,0,0]}"><li data-parsoid="{"dsr":[965,1104,1,0,1,0]}">Ensure Junior Contributors who are able to successfully initiate the workflow for add a new topic, can complete successfully <i data-parsoid="{"dsr":[1092,1104,2,2]}">and then</i></li> <li data-parsoid="{"dsr":[1105,1386,1,0,1,0]}">Ensure they (Junior Contributors) can instinctively identify the affordance for initiating said workflow no matter the type of talk page (e.g. user, article or project talk) they are on and the contents contained with in it (e.g. many/few talk headers, many/few existing topics).</li></ul> <p data-parsoid="{"dsr":[1388,1547,0,0]}">This is the ticket where this second bit of work will happen (I'm sharing this ticket in case you'd like to follow along and/or participate): <a rel="mw:WikiLink/Interwiki" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T267444" title="phab:T267444" data-parsoid="{"stx":"simple","a":{"href":"https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T267444"},"sa":{"href":"phab:T267444"},"isIW":true,"dsr":[1530,1546,2,2]}">phab:T267444</a>.</p></section></article> <div class="flow-post-meta"> <span class="flow-post-meta-actions"> </span> <span class="flow-post-timestamp"> <a href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&action=history" class="flow-timestamp-anchor"> <span datetime="1604699793" class="flow-timestamp flow-load-interactive" data-flow-load-handler="timestamp"> <span class="flow-timestamp-user-formatted">21:56, 6 November 2020</span> <span id="" class="flow-timestamp-ago">4 years ago</span> </span> </a> </span> </div> <div class="flow-menu flow-menu-hoverable"> <div class="flow-menu-js-drop"><a href="javascript:void(0);"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-only mw-ui-icon-ellipsis" aria-label="Show post action menu"></span></a></div> <ul class="mw-ui-button-container flow-list"> <section><li><a class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-quiet" href="//www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vx9e14nt72yzogob#flow-post-vx9e14nt72yzogob"><span class="mw-ui-icon mw-ui-icon-before mw-ui-icon-link"><span>Permalink</span></span></a></li></section> <section></section> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="flow-replies"> </div> </div> </div> </div> <!-- eachPost topic --> <div id="flow-post-vx9a3hi7s53mlk1p" class="flow-post" data-flow-id="vx9a3hi7s53mlk1p" > <div class="flow-post-main"> <div class="flow-error-container"> </div> <span class="flow-author"> <a href="/wiki/User:Nehaoua" class="mw-userlink"> <bdi>Nehaoua</bdi></a><span class="mw-usertoollinks flow-pipelist"> (<span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nehaoua" class="" title="User talk:Nehaoua">talk</a></span><span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nehaoua" title="Contributions/Nehaoua">contribs</a></span>) </span> </span> <article class="flow-post-content mw-parser-output"><section data-mw-section-id="0" data-parsoid="{}"><ul data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,387,0,0]}"><li data-parsoid="{"dsr":[0,71,1,0,1,1]}"><i data-parsoid="{"dsr":[2,70,2,2]}">What do you like about the proposed design? indication with text</i></li> <li data-parsoid="{"dsr":[72,252,1,0,1,0]}"><i data-parsoid="{"dsr":[74,252,2,2]}">Can you compare the designs being proposed here to the current experience? 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