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class="premium-subtitle"> Exklusiv für Abonnenten </p></div><figure id="id-doc-1idq3tsbb1" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="image" class="articlecomponent image" style="position:relative;"><div data-nzz-tid="image-placeholder" itemscope="itemscope" itemtype="http://schema.org/ImageObject" itemid="https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/61ba3679-b88b-441c-ab2a-b42942f679af.jpeg?width=560&height=373&fit=crop&quality=75&auto=webp" class="image-placeholder image__placeholder" style="padding-bottom:66.66%;"><img alt="Urs Hölzle beim Interview mit der «Schweiz am Wochenende» in den Google-Büros an der Zürcher Europa-Allee." data-nzz-tid="article-image" width="5912" height="3941" src="https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/61ba3679-b88b-441c-ab2a-b42942f679af.jpeg?width=654&height=436&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=5912,3941,x0,y0" loading="eager" srcset="https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/61ba3679-b88b-441c-ab2a-b42942f679af.jpeg?width=680&height=453&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=5912,3941,x0,y0 680w, https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/61ba3679-b88b-441c-ab2a-b42942f679af.jpeg?width=1360&height=907&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=5912,3941,x0,y0 1360w, https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/61ba3679-b88b-441c-ab2a-b42942f679af.jpeg?width=327&height=218&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=5912,3941,x0,y0 327w, https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/61ba3679-b88b-441c-ab2a-b42942f679af.jpeg?width=654&height=436&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=5912,3941,x0,y0 654w" class="image-placeholder__image" style="cursor:pointer;transform:scale(1);">  </div> <figcaption class="articlecomponent__description"><div class="image-description"><h3 data-nzz-tid="image-description-caption" data-team-image-caption="true" class="image-description__caption image-description__caption--large">Urs Hölzle beim Interview mit der «Schweiz am Wochenende» in den Google-Büros an der Zürcher Europa-Allee.</h3> <div class="image-description__author"><span data-nzz-tid="image-description-author" class="image-description__author-single">Bild: Andrea Zahler/CH Media</span></div></div></figcaption> </figure><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idhui72h1" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question"><strong>Sie sind aus Ihrem Wohnort in Neuseeland nach Zürich gereist, <a href="/ld.2703826">um 20 Jahre Google Schweiz zu feiern</a>. Sie selber sind aber schon deutlich länger bei Google.</strong></p><div id="id-doc-97711fa7" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="barrier"><div id="paywall_container" class="disabled-overlay"></div></div><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr730" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer nzzinteraction zephr-article"><em>Urs Hölzle:</em> Ich begann bei Google vor gut 25 Jahren …</p><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr7b0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>… als achter Mitarbeiter eines Start-ups, das noch niemand kannte. Heute zählt der Google-Konzern 180’000 Angestellte, und Zürich ist mit 5000 Leuten der grösste Entwicklungs</strong><strong>standort in Europa. Hätten Sie das je gedacht?</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr7f0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">In einer so langen Zeit kann viel passieren. Vielleicht hätte ich das – mit etwas Optimismus – sogar geglaubt. Aber dass in der Schweiz das grösste Entwicklungszentrum Europas entstehen würde, das war sicher nicht vorprogrammiert. Dazu gab es auch keinen Masterplan. Es wurde hier einfach Schritt für Schritt ausgebaut.</p><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr7h0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>Zürich war damals, abgesehen vom Bankenplatz, viel weniger international als heute.</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr7j0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Ja, vor allem gab es keine Start-up-Szene. Die Schweiz war damals nirgends, wenn es um Softwareentwicklung ging. Es ist toll, dass es heute ganz anders ist. Allein wenn Sie sehen, wie viele Spin-offs von der ETH kommen. Letztes Jahr waren es 55. Auch Google macht viel, es gibt inzwischen 115 Start-ups, die hierzulande von ehemaligen Google-Mitarbeitenden gegründet wurden.</p><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr7l0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>Ein Erfolg für den Standort Schweiz, und trotzdem: Ein «grosses Ding» ist in der Schweiz nie entstanden, all die Einhörner stammen aus dem Silicon Valley in den USA.</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr7n0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Das Silicon Valley wurde sehr früh zu einem Schwerpunkt für Gründer und erlangte schnell eine kritische Masse. Nicht nur in der Schweiz, in ganz Europa ist nach SAP in Deutschland keine global bedeutende Softwarefirma mehr gegründet worden. Es gibt ein paar einzelne, sehr erfolgreiche Firmen, wie der schwedische Musikstreamingdienst Spotify. Aber es ist so: Europa hat vergleichsweise wenig zustande gebracht, obwohl hier mehr Menschen leben als in den USA. Ich habe mir am Freitag im Fernsehen die «Arena» angeschaut …</p><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr7q0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>… die Sendung war dem Thema künstliche Intelligenz gewidmet.</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr7s0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Und worüber sprach man? Vor allem über Probleme und Gefahren der KI. Zu den Chancen war wenig zu hören. Hätte man, als im 19. Jahrhundert Roche und Sandoz gegründet wurden, nur über die Risiken der Chemie und Pharmazie gesprochen: Wäre dann in Basel ein weltweit führender Pharmastandort entstanden? Kaum.</p><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr7u0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>Sie stammen aus dem Baselbiet. Hatten Sie schon immer diesen amerikanisch anmutenden Optimismus?</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr800" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Wenn etwas schwierig ist, dann macht man es nicht: Diese Mentalität hatte ich tatsächlich nie. Ob das schon amerikanisch ist, weiss ich nicht. Aber ich mag die optimistische Herangehensweise an Probleme. Selbstfahrende Autos? Viel zu kompliziert, das wird nie was! Wer so denkt, wird es sicher nie schaffen. Nun, das mit den selbstfahrenden Autos ist tatsächlich schwierig und zäh. Aber in San Francisco sehen Sie solche Autos herumfahren.</p><div id="id-doc-1idq3qe0h0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="personbox" class="articlecomponent personbox nzzinteraction zephr-article"><p class="personbox__name personbox__name--first">Von der ETH ins Silicon Valley</p> <figure class="personbox__poster"><div class="personbox__placeholder"><div class="image-placeholder" style="padding-bottom:121.32%;"><img alt="Urs Hölzle (Jahrgang 1964) wuchs in Liestal auf und studierte von 1984 bis 1988 Informatik an der ETH Zürich. Er promovierte 1994 in an der Stanford University, wo er auch die Google-Gründer Larry Page und Sergey Brin kennenlernte. 1999 stieg er bei deren Start-up ein und wurde der erste Chef-Ingenieur des Unternehmens. Er war für verschiedene Bereiche verantwortlich, zuletzt für die technische Infrastruktur (mit 14’000 Mitarbeitenden) und für die Clouds. Lange lebte Hölzle im Silicon Valley, 2021 zog er nach Neuseeland. Mitte 2023 trat er etwas kürzer und hat heute die Rolle eines Google Fellow inne. (saw)" src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==" loading="lazy" srcset="https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/0ca1ee26-a4d0-4ae2-ad2c-f84b57940c2e.png?width=240&height=293&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=196,239,x0,y0 240w, https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/0ca1ee26-a4d0-4ae2-ad2c-f84b57940c2e.png?width=480&height=585&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=196,239,x0,y0 480w" width="197" height="239" class="image-placeholder__image"></div> </div> </figure>  <div data-team-paragraph class="personbox__bio">Urs Hölzle (Jahrgang 1964) wuchs in Liestal auf und studierte von 1984 bis 1988 Informatik an der ETH Zürich. Er promovierte 1994 in an der Stanford University, wo er auch die Google-Gründer Larry Page und Sergey Brin kennenlernte. 1999 stieg er bei deren Start-up ein und wurde der erste Chef-Ingenieur des Unternehmens. Er war für verschiedene Bereiche verantwortlich, zuletzt für die technische Infrastruktur (mit 14’000 Mitarbeitenden) und für die Clouds. Lange lebte Hölzle im Silicon Valley, 2021 zog er nach Neuseeland. Mitte 2023 trat er etwas kürzer und hat heute die Rolle eines Google Fellow inne. <em>(saw)</em></div></div><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr810" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>Und jetzt gilt es, der künstlichen Intelligenz mit Optimismus zu begegnen?</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr830" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Auf jeden Fall. Hätten wir bei der Einführung von Computern gesagt: EDV? Ui, die Datensicherheit … Wir machen das besser weiterhin von Hand! Wo stünden wir dann heute bei den grossen Schweizer Unternehmen? Es gibt eine eindrückliche Studie für die Schweiz, die zeigt, dass die wirtschaftliche Wertschöpfung der Schweiz um bis zu 11 Prozent zunimmt, wenn wir die Möglichkeiten der KI sinnvoll nutzen. Da liegt enormes Potenzial brach. Wie damals bei der EDV wissen wir jetzt auch bei der KI nicht genau, wohin der Weg führt. Aber beide waren eine klare Chance, wir sollten uns deshalb keine Angst einjagen lassen.</p><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr850" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>KI ist eine Chance für die Schweiz – und auch für Google. Und zugleich ein Risiko: Google ist schon sehr mächtig, und die Wettbewerbsbehörden wollen Ihnen bei der KI Fesseln anlegen.</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr870" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Ich hätte jetzt ein ganz anderes Risiko erwähnt. Warum sind wir die führende Suchmaschine? Weil die Nutzer zu uns gekommen sind. Jetzt haben wir KI, und es ist klar, dass sie vieles, auch die Suche, umkrempeln wird. Heisst: Unser Hauptrisiko ist nicht der Regulator, sondern dass ein Wettbewerber die KI schneller und besser anwendet als wir! Allerdings bin ich diesbezüglich sehr zuversichtlich.</p><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr8a0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>War es nie so gefährlich für Google, seine Nummer-1-Position zu verlieren, wie jetzt?</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr8c0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Das würde ich so nicht sagen. Es hätte in den letzten 26 Jahren sehr vieles schiefgehen können. Hätte es auf dem Smartphone beispielsweise nur Microsoft und Apple gegeben, wären wir wohl als Suchmaschine kaum mehr dabei. Für die Suche eignet sich KI aktuell nur sehr bedingt. Damit sie funktioniert, braucht es fast AGI («Artificial General Intelligence», eine Art von künstlicher Intelligenz, die in der Lage ist, jede intellektuelle Aufgabe zu erledigen, die ein Mensch bewältigen kann, die Red.). Davon sind wir noch weit entfernt. Die KI halluziniert, bei der Suche ist sie überfordert. In fünf oder zehn Jahren wissen wir mehr.</p><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr8e0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>Ergebnisse von Sprachmodellen wie ChatGPT sind ausformuliert und verzichten auf Links. Die Link-Vermittlung ist aber gerade das Geschäftsmodell von Google. Ist das in Gefahr?</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr8g0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Man kann noch weiter gehen und sich fragen: Lohnt es sich überhaupt noch, an Inhalten und Wissen zu arbeiten? Hat neues Wissen überhaupt noch einen Wert? Heute besteht die Möglichkeit, aus neu geschaffenem Wissen ein Geschäft zu machen. Ich meine damit nicht nur die Wissenschaft, sondern zum Beispiel auch das Wissen, das ein Reisebüro hat. Es verkauft letztlich Kompetenz. Wenn diese Kompetenz aber nicht mehr über das Web vermittelt wird, muss es etwas anderes geben. Was das sein könnte, ist offen.</p><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr8h0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>Reisetipps werden weiterhin gefragt sein, aber nicht mehr von einem Reisebüro kommen, sondern von einer irgendwie gearteten KI?</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr8j0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Heute kommen die Tipps vielleicht von einem Reise-Blogger. Vielleicht hat dieser in Zukunft keine Website mehr, sondern einen Bot. Und sein Bot ist besser als andere, weil er die beste Expertise hat. Der Reisewillige unterhält sich dann mit ihm, anstatt im Internet nach Reisetipps zu suchen.</p><figure id="id-doc-1idq454lo1" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="image" class="articlecomponent image nzzinteraction zephr-article" style="position:relative;"><div data-nzz-tid="image-placeholder" itemscope="itemscope" itemtype="http://schema.org/ImageObject" itemid="https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/2ce9b9e2-462e-4634-a256-08e601f10c14.jpeg?width=560&height=840&fit=crop&quality=75&auto=webp" class="image-placeholder image__placeholder" style="padding-bottom:100%;"><img alt="«Die grossen Sprachmodelle sind nicht wirklich intelligent»: Urs Hölzle in den Zürcher Google-Büros." data-nzz-tid="article-image" width="3752" height="3752" src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==" loading="lazy" srcset="https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/2ce9b9e2-462e-4634-a256-08e601f10c14.jpeg?width=680&height=680&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=3752,3752,x0,y938 680w, https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/2ce9b9e2-462e-4634-a256-08e601f10c14.jpeg?width=1360&height=1360&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=3752,3752,x0,y938 1360w, https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/2ce9b9e2-462e-4634-a256-08e601f10c14.jpeg?width=327&height=327&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=3752,3752,x0,y938 327w, https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/2ce9b9e2-462e-4634-a256-08e601f10c14.jpeg?width=654&height=654&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=3752,3752,x0,y938 654w" class="image-placeholder__image" style="cursor:pointer;transform:scale(1);">  </div> <figcaption class="articlecomponent__description"><div class="image-description"><h3 data-nzz-tid="image-description-caption" data-team-image-caption="true" class="image-description__caption image-description__caption--large">«Die grossen Sprachmodelle sind nicht wirklich intelligent»: Urs Hölzle in den Zürcher Google-Büros.</h3> <div class="image-description__author"><span data-nzz-tid="image-description-author" class="image-description__author-single">Andrea Zahler/CH Media</span></div></div></figcaption> </figure><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr8l0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>Sie sagten, die KI halluziniere noch viel. Ist sie zurzeit also noch gar nicht wirklich intelligent?</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr8q0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Viele Leute glauben, wir hätten bereits jetzt eine eigentliche künstliche Intelligenz. Die grossen Sprachmodelle sind aber nicht wirklich intelligent. Es sind sozusagen «Taschenrechner für die Sprache», nicht mehr. Seit wir den Taschenrechner haben, ist es nicht mehr nötig, im Kopf selber zu multiplizieren. Jetzt ist es nicht mehr nötig, Sätze selber zu formulieren.</p><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr8u0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>Bedroht KI den Journalismus?</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr930" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Das glaube ich nicht. Der Wert von Wissen und Information, die gefragt ist, sinkt durch KI nicht. Dafür wird es weiterhin einen Markt geben. Wahrscheinlich werden Marken wieder wichtiger werden, denen man vertraut. Grosse Sprachmodelle täuschen uns heute vor, perfekt zu sein, weil sie fehlerfrei formulieren. Doch korrekt sind oft nur die Sätze, nicht ihr Inhalt, und Zusammenhänge verstehen sie nicht. Noch einmal: KI ist ein Hilfsmittel und gerade darum eine Chance.</p><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr970" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>Es gibt namhafte Experten, die von den Gefahren einer allgemeinen künstlichen Intelligenz warnen. Dazu gehören Elon Musk, Stephen Hawking oder der OpenAI-Gründer Sam Altman.</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr9b0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Bei Sam Altman ist das mitunter auch eine Werbemasche. Er schürt grosse Erwartungen. Eine allgemeine künstliche Intelligenz (AGI) ist in weiter Ferne. Aber klar, es könnte sein, dass man einmal an diesen Punkt kommt. Das würde die Welt fundamental verändern. Es ist nicht falsch, sich heute schon darüber Gedanken zu machen. Sich aber intensiv mit den naheliegenden Folgen für die Wirtschaft auseinanderzusetzen, erachte ich kurzfristig als wichtiger.</p><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr9f0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>Vor rund zwei Jahren lancierte OpenAI das Sprachmodell ChatGPT. Google schien überrascht. Sergey Brin und Larry Page, die Google-Gründer, haben kurzzeitig das Zepter wieder übernommen. Wie haben Sie diese Zeit erlebt?</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr9j0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Wir besassen bereits ein Sprachmodell namens Lamda. Wir hatten es aber noch nicht veröffentlicht, weil wir glaubten, dass es noch zu wenig gut sei. Auch ChatGPT war anfänglich sehr mangelhaft. Wenn wir als Google ein solch unfertiges Produkt auf den Markt gebracht hätten, wäre das für uns ein Reputationsschaden gewesen.</p><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr9o0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>Google hat mit seiner Suchmaschine die Welt verändert. Mittlerweile ist es längst kein Start-up mehr, sondern ein komplexer Konzern, der sich um Regulierung und Reputationsrisiken kümmern muss. Kann man da noch disruptiv sein?</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dr9s0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Im Silicon Valley sagen wir: Nur die Paranoiden überleben. Die Ordnung ist nicht gottgegeben. Verpasst man eine wichtige technische Entwicklung, kann man seine Vormachtstellung verlieren. Eigentlich ist die Sache ziemlich einfach: Langfristig gewinnt das beste Produkt. Denn die Konkurrenz ist im Internet nur einen Klick entfernt. Facebook beispielsweise war nicht das erste soziale Netzwerk, aber damals das beste. Heute ist Facebook nicht mehr so cool. Doch der Konzern hat sich weiterentwickelt.</p><div id="id-doc-1idi0ouj60" pagetype="Article" componenttype="kaltura" class="articlecomponent kaltura nzzinteraction zephr-article"><div class="video__placeholder video__placeholder--kaltura"><div class="videocomponent" style="min-height:0px;"><div class="kalturaPlayerChmedia" data-type="kaltura_singleArticle" data-id="1_83k5k0lg" data-options="noads" itemprop="video" itemscope="" itemtype="//schema.org/VideoObject"> <span itemprop="name" content="Interview mit Google-Manager Urs Hölzle"></span> <span itemprop="description" content="Interview mit dem Schweizer Google-Pionier Urs Hölzle anlässlich 20 Jahre Google Schweiz."></span> <span itemprop="duration" content="PT64S"></span> <span itemprop="thumbnailUrl" content="https://cfvod.kaltura.com/p/1719221/sp/171922100/thumbnail/entry_id/1_83k5k0lg/version/100051/width/1920/height/1080"></span> <span itemprop="width" content="1920"></span> <span itemprop="height" content="1080"></span> <span itemprop="uploadDate" content="2024-11-25T16:00:34.000Z"></span> <span itemprop="contentUrl" content="https://cdnapisec.kaltura.com/p/1719221/sp/171922100/playManifest/entryId/1_83k5k0lg/format/url/protocol/https"></span> <span itemprop="author" content="Tageszeitungen/undefined"></span> </div> </div></div> <div class="articlecomponent__description"><div class="image-description"><h3 data-nzz-tid="image-description-caption" data-team-video-caption="true" class="image-description__caption image-description__caption--large">Schweizerdeutsch beherrscht er immer noch, nach all den Jahren in den USA: Urs Hölzle im Video-Interview.</h3> <div class="image-description__author"><span data-nzz-tid="image-description-author" class="image-description__author-single">Video: Patrik Müller und Raffael Schuppisser</span></div></div></div></div><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dra00" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>Sich von Paranoia zu Innovation treiben zu lassen: Das hört sich sehr anstrengend an.</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1dra90" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Innovation ist anstrengend. Unser Ziel ist immer, das bestehende Produkt so rasch zu verbessern, dass das heutige schon in ein paar Jahren alt aussieht. Das ist derzeit bei der KI der Fall. Wir haben zwar unser Sprachmodell erst nach OpenAI veröffentlicht, inzwischen liegen wir aber ganz vorn: Gemini führt unabhängige Qualitätsrankings an. Heisst dies, dass wir gewinnen werden?</p><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1mbau0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>Was ist Ihre Antwort?</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1m7iu1" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Keine Ahnung. Aber in zwei Jahren werden wir auf Gemini schauen und uns hoffentlich an den Kopf greifen, weil die Version 2024 so viel schlechter als jene von 2026 war und man sich kaum vorstellen kann, wie man jemals mit dieser früheren Version zufrieden sein konnte.</p><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1drae0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>Wie sehen Sie folgendes Dilemma: Wenn Entwickler zu wenig in die KI-Modelle eingreifen, halluzinieren diese Anwendungen und spuken vielleicht gar rassistische Sätze aus. Greifen sie zu stark ein, betreiben sie Zensur. </strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1drai0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Genau das macht die Nutzung von künstlicher Intelligenz – etwa auch für die Suche – so schwierig. Das Dilemma ist derzeit technisch fast unlösbar.</p><p data-team-question="" id="id-doc-1idq1dram0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="question" class="articlecomponent question nzzinteraction zephr-article"><strong>Zensurvorwürfe gibt es auch im guten alten Internet. Der konservative Podcaster Joe Rogan beklagte sich jüngst, dass seine Videos auf Youtube (gehört zu Google) nicht viral gehen. Im Gegensatz zu X, wo sie trenden.</strong></p><p data-team-answer="" id="id-doc-1idq1drap0" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="answer" data-vars-danzz-last-article-element="true" class="articlecomponent answer answer--after-question nzzinteraction zephr-article">Es gibt keinen einzigen Youtuber, der zufrieden ist, wie oft seine Inhalte den Nutzern angezeigt werden. Alle wollen mehr Sichtbarkeit. Genau das spricht aber für die Seriosität unserer Plattform. Wir bevorzugen niemanden. Wir haben unsere klaren Standards und an diese halten wir uns. Diese Sicherheit ist für die Hersteller der Inhalte ebenso wie für die Werbetreibenden essenziell.</p><div id="id-doc-1idhui72h2" data="[object Object]" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="sharebox" class="nzzinteraction zephr-article"><div class="pageelement"><div class="container container--comments"><div class="container__header-title container__header-title--moretosubject"><span class="container__header-text container__header-text--commenting container__header-text--commenting-preview"> 4 Kommentare </span></div> <div class="comments-item"><div class="comments-item__header"><div class="comments-item__header--left"><div class="comments-item__author"> Urs Ziegler </div> <div class="comments-item__time"><time datetime="2024-11-30T09:17:51.858Z">vor einem Tag</time></div></div> <div class="comments-item__header--right"><div class="comments-item__like"> 7 Empfehlungen </div></div></div> <div class="comments-item__content"><p class="comments-item__text"> Da kann man Urs Hölzle nur beipflichten, ohne Optimismus gibt es keinen Fortschritt. Ich bin überzeugt, dass die Zukunft KI nutzen muss. Die Chancen sind einfach zu gross, um diese zu verpassen. Die computer-generierten Datenmengen haben längst ein Ausmass erreicht, die nur noch mit Hilfe von KI bewältigt werden kann. Die Angst davor ist die natürliche Angst vor dem Unbekannten. Das war schon bei der Einführung der Computer immer das Thema. Die Angst, dass da alle wegrationalisiert würden, hat die Leute schon vor 40 Jahren umgetrieben. Das Gegenteil ist passiert, es wurden viel mehr Jobs generiert als vernichtet. Und, KI ist ja nicht neu. Bereits vor mehr als 30 Jahren wurden die neutralen Netzwerke entwickelt, die die Grundlage bilden. Inzwischen sind sie halt mit der Entwicklung der Computertechnologie um einiges leistungsfähiger geworden, aber das Prinzip ist das gleiche. Das ganze ist aber immer noch meilenweit von einer "Menschen-ähnlichen Intelligenz" entfernt. Wir müssen wegkommen von der irrationalen Angst, hin zu einer fakten-basierten Risikobeurteilung als Grundlage für einen gesetzlichen Rahmen, den es zweifellos braucht, damit Menschen vor den Fehlleistungen, Fehlprogrammierungen oder Missbrauch mit KI möglichst geschützt sind. Das ist die Herausforderung für die Zukunft und wir werden dafür auch KI einsetzen müssen. KI die KI kontrolliert. </p></div> <div class="comments-item__like comments-item__like--footer"> 7 Empfehlungen </div></div><div class="comments-item"><div class="comments-item__header"><div class="comments-item__header--left"><div class="comments-item__author"> Stefan Gauler </div> <div class="comments-item__time"><time datetime="2024-11-30T19:58:11.615Z">vor etwa 15 Stunden</time></div></div> <div class="comments-item__header--right"><div class="comments-item__like"> 7 Empfehlungen </div></div></div> <div class="comments-item__content"><p class="comments-item__text"> Ich sehe das Problem in der KI, dass sie in wenigen Jahren so täuschend echte Bilder und Filme produzieren kann, dass man sie kaum mehr vom Original unterscheiden kann. Jetzt schon werden massenhaft Fake KI Bilder in Facebook gestreut um Verschwörungstheorien zu verbreiten. Mit KI wird man Wahlen manipulieren können und Nachrichten erstellen können. Man wird bald nicht mehr wissen, wem man glauben kann. Haben wir das nicht schon während der Corona Pandemie ansatzweise erlebt, als gezielt Falschinformationen n den sozialen Medien verbreitet wurden ? Neu kommten einfach KI erstellte Beweisbilder und Beweisvideos dazu. Mir graut es echt davor. </p></div> <div class="comments-item__like comments-item__like--footer"> 7 Empfehlungen </div></div> <button class="comments__button comments__open"> Alle Kommentare anzeigen </button></div></div></div><section id="id-doc-1idhui72h4" content="" pagetype="Article" componenttype="moreToSubject" class="pageelement pageelement--moretosubject nzzinteraction zephr-article"><div class="pageelement__inner"><div class="container container--moretosubject"><div class="container__header-title container__header-title--moretosubject"><span class="container__header-text container__header-text--moretosubject">Mehr zum Thema</span></div></div> <div class="widget__row widget__row--noBorder"><div data-team-more-to-subject class="widget--articlelist-a"><article data-source-element-widget="" class="teaser--article teaser--articlelist-a"><div id="id-ld_2703826" data-nzz-tid="teaser" data-nzz-ct="" class="teaser teaser__layout--video teaser--size-articlelist-a teaser--video-regio">    <div class="poster poster--articlelist-a poster--articlelist-a-video"><figure class="poster__figure"><a href="/schweiz/geburtstag-happy-birthday-google-feiert-20-jahr-jubilaeum-in-zuerich-ld.2703826" data-nzz-referrer="articleTeaser" class="teaser__link teaser__link--poster teaser__link--poster-articlelist-a"><div class="image-placeholder poster__placeholder" style="padding-bottom:100%;"><img alt="Happy Birthday: Google feiert 20-Jahr-Jubiläum in Zürich" src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==" loading="lazy" srcset="https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/25/de10595a-f8a8-495d-8d20-1082d809dae8.jpeg?width=80&height=80&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=450,450,x175,y0 80w, https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/25/de10595a-f8a8-495d-8d20-1082d809dae8.jpeg?width=160&height=160&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=450,450,x175,y0 160w" width="450" height="450" class="image-placeholder__image poster__image cb-it-hide">   <svg version="1.1" viewBox="0 0 80 80" class="svg-icon svg-fill poster__play-icon--regio"><circle pid="0" cx="40" cy="40" r="39" fill-opacity=".05" _stroke="#fff" stroke-width="2"/><path pid="1" d="M64 40L28 60.8V19.2L64 40z" _fill="#fff"/></svg></div></a></figure></div>  <div class="teaser__content teaser__content--articlelist-a"><a href="/schweiz/geburtstag-happy-birthday-google-feiert-20-jahr-jubilaeum-in-zuerich-ld.2703826" data-nzz-referrer="articleTeaser" ordinal-number="1" class="teaser__link"><div class="teaser__wrapper">  <h4 class="teaser__title teaser__title--articlelist-a teaser__title--video teaser__title--0"><div class="catchline catchline--articlelist-a catchline--video">  <span> Geburtstag </span></div>  <span class="teaser__title-name">Happy Birthday: Google feiert 20-Jahr-Jubiläum in Zürich</span></h4>   </div>   </a> <div bookmark-type="article" bookmark-sub-type="teaser" class="metainfo metainfo--articlelist-a metainfo--video"><div class="metainfo__main metainfo__main--video"><div class="metainfo__wrapper">     <time class="metainfo__item metainfo__item--date">25.11.2024</time>  </div>  </div> <div class="metainfo__actions metainfo__actions--video "></div></div></div></div></article><article data-source-element-widget="" class="teaser--article teaser--articlelist-a"><div id="id-ld_2312202" data-nzz-tid="teaser" data-nzz-ct="" class="teaser teaser__layout--regular teaser--size-articlelist-a">    <div class="poster poster--articlelist-a poster--articlelist-a-regular"><figure class="poster__figure poster__figure--image"><a href="/wirtschaft/internet-pionier-einer-der-ersten-google-mitarbeiter-urs-hoelzle-verraet-die-neuste-google-maps-funktion-und-das-geheimnis-des-standorts-zuerich-ld.2312202" data-nzz-referrer="articleTeaser" class="teaser__link teaser__link--poster teaser__link--poster-articlelist-a"><div class="image-placeholder poster__placeholder" style="padding-bottom:100%;"><img alt="Urs Hölzle am Sitz von Google in Zürich, wo inzwischen 5000 Mitarbeitende beschäftigt sind. 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(Symbolbild: Maica / E+)" class="image-placeholder__image poster__image" style="display:block;min-height:1rem;"><source srcset="https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/15/d573c5d4-fb78-498b-9c02-fb01386e3e20.jpeg?width=740&height=740&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=1756,1756,x140,y219 740w,https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/15/d573c5d4-fb78-498b-9c02-fb01386e3e20.jpeg?width=1480&height=1480&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=1756,1756,x140,y219 1480w,https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/15/d573c5d4-fb78-498b-9c02-fb01386e3e20.jpeg?width=380&height=380&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=1756,1756,x140,y219 380w,https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/15/d573c5d4-fb78-498b-9c02-fb01386e3e20.jpeg?width=760&height=760&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=1756,1756,x140,y219 760w" media="(max-width:767px)"><source srcset="https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/15/d573c5d4-fb78-498b-9c02-fb01386e3e20.jpeg?width=1120&height=630&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=2966,1668,x0,y307 1120w,https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/15/d573c5d4-fb78-498b-9c02-fb01386e3e20.jpeg?width=2240&height=1260&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=2966,1668,x0,y307 2240w,https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/15/d573c5d4-fb78-498b-9c02-fb01386e3e20.jpeg?width=976&height=550&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=2960,1668,x0,y307 976w,https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/15/d573c5d4-fb78-498b-9c02-fb01386e3e20.jpeg?width=1952&height=1100&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=2960,1668,x0,y307 1952w,https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/15/d573c5d4-fb78-498b-9c02-fb01386e3e20.jpeg?width=736&height=415&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=2959,1668,x0,y307 736w,https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/15/d573c5d4-fb78-498b-9c02-fb01386e3e20.jpeg?width=1472&height=830&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=2959,1668,x0,y307 1472w" media="(min-width:768px)"></picture>   </div></a></figure></div>  <div class="teaser__content teaser__content--3of3"><a href="/aargau/kanton-aargau/strafbefehl-betrunkener-greift-pizzabaecker-an-der-holt-seinen-vater-und-eine-alu-stange-zu-hilfe-ld.2696926" data-nzz-referrer="teaserLink" ordinal-number="1" class="teaser__link"><div class="teaser__wrapper">  <span class="teaser__title teaser__title--3of3 teaser__title--regular teaser__title--0"><div class="catchline catchline--3of3 catchline--regular">  <span> Strafbefehl </span></div>  <span class="teaser__title-name">Betrunkener greift Pizzabäcker an – der holt seinen Vater und eine Alu-Stange zu Hilfe</span></span>  <div class="teaser__lead teaser__lead--3of3 teaser__lead--regular">Ein Betrunkener schlug unvermittelt zu. Das Opfer setzte sich zur Wehr, überschritt dabei aber die Grenze zur Notwehr.</div> </div>   </a> <div bookmark-type="article" bookmark-sub-type="teaser" class="metainfo metainfo--3of3 metainfo--regular"><div class="metainfo__main metainfo__main--regular"><div class="metainfo__wrapper">     <time datetime="2024-11-28T10:11:43.880Z" class="metainfo__item metainfo__item--date">28.11.2024</time>  </div>  </div> <div class="metainfo__actions metainfo__actions--regular "></div></div></div></div></article> </div></div><div class="widget__row widget__row--noBorder--m"><div data-nzz-tid="widget-1of3" data-source-element-widget="Widget-1/3-Breite" id="top-2-1j94qk3" content="" pagetype="page" componenttype="widget--1of3" class="widget--1of3"> <article data-source-element-widget="" class="teaser--article teaser--1of3"><div id="id-ld_2705261" data-nzz-tid="teaser" data-nzz-ct="" class="teaser teaser__layout--regular teaser--size-1of3">    <div class="poster poster--1of3 poster--1of3-regular"><figure class="poster__figure poster__figure--image"><a href="/kultur/art-basel-frontal-attacke-des-praesidenten-der-schweizer-galerien-die-art-basel-ist-ein-kartell-das-die-schweizer-kunstszene-ruiniert-ld.2705261" data-nzz-referrer="teaserLink" class="teaser__link teaser__link--poster teaser__link--poster-1of3"><div class="image-placeholder poster__placeholder" style="padding-bottom:56.25%;"><img alt="Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember eröffnet an der Ostküste eine von vier Tochterunternehmungen der Art Basel, die Art Basel Miami Beach. Im Angebot 2023 waren die für einstellige Millionen US-Dollar verkauften Skulpturen des Japaners Takashi Murakami. (Bild: Lynne Sladky / AP)" src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==" loading="lazy" srcset="https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/303f836f-4678-41a3-98bc-a5dbf5035e08.jpeg?width=319&height=180&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=7710,4350,x0,y403 319w, https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/303f836f-4678-41a3-98bc-a5dbf5035e08.jpeg?width=638&height=360&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=7710,4350,x0,y403 638w, https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/303f836f-4678-41a3-98bc-a5dbf5035e08.jpeg?width=292&height=164&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=7734,4344,x0,y403 292w, https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/303f836f-4678-41a3-98bc-a5dbf5035e08.jpeg?width=584&height=328&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=7734,4344,x0,y403 584w, https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/303f836f-4678-41a3-98bc-a5dbf5035e08.jpeg?width=223&height=125&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=7734,4336,x0,y403 223w, https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/303f836f-4678-41a3-98bc-a5dbf5035e08.jpeg?width=446&height=250&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=7734,4336,x0,y403 446w, https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/303f836f-4678-41a3-98bc-a5dbf5035e08.jpeg?width=380&height=214&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=7734,4350,x0,y403 380w, https://img.chmedia.ch/2024/11/28/303f836f-4678-41a3-98bc-a5dbf5035e08.jpeg?width=760&height=427&fit=bounds&quality=75&auto=webp&crop=7734,4350,x0,y403 760w" width="7734" height="4350" class="image-placeholder__image poster__image cb-it-hide">   </div></a></figure></div>  <div class="teaser__content teaser__content--1of3"><a href="/kultur/art-basel-frontal-attacke-des-praesidenten-der-schweizer-galerien-die-art-basel-ist-ein-kartell-das-die-schweizer-kunstszene-ruiniert-ld.2705261" data-nzz-referrer="teaserLink" ordinal-number="1" class="teaser__link"><div class="teaser__wrapper">  <span class="teaser__title teaser__title--1of3 teaser__title--regular teaser__title--0"><div class="catchline catchline--1of3 catchline--regular catchline--premium"><svg version="1.1" viewBox="0 0 32 16" class="catchline__icon icon--premium svg-icon svg-fill" style="width:32px;height:16px;min-width:32px;"><path pid="0" _fill="#2E74B5" d="M30 0H2a2 2 0 00-2 2v12a2 2 0 002 2h28a2 2 0 002-2V2a2 2 0 00-2-2z"/><path pid="1" _fill="#fff" d="M9.53 10.892c-.413.05-.597-.034-.597-.454V8.591c0-1.3-.725-1.95-2.154-1.95-1.329 0-2.112.537-2.267 1.729l1.425.17c.071-.55.288-.753.821-.753.55 0 .775.287.775.895v.563c-.329-.167-.716-.25-1.2-.25-1.337 0-2.012.575-2.012 1.558 0 .954.67 1.575 1.783 1.575.671 0 1.208-.2 1.513-.712.154.446.545.662 1.158.662.312 0 .537-.05.767-.133l-.013-1.054zm-2.955.225c-.488 0-.742-.2-.742-.584 0-.383.246-.583.796-.583.363 0 .638.067.904.213v.591c-.27.258-.579.363-.958.363zm6.7-4.475c-.608 0-1.104.237-1.416.758V4.804h-1.5V12h1.179l.15-.73c.3.568.825.86 1.47.86 1.322 0 2.147-1.11 2.147-2.826 0-1.729-.784-2.662-2.03-2.662zm-.52 4.287c-.417 0-.734-.233-.896-.696V8.571c.166-.5.5-.73.92-.73.696 0 .963.634.963 1.522 0 .987-.333 1.566-.987 1.566zm5.91 1.2c1.65 0 2.571-1.037 2.571-2.75 0-1.704-.92-2.741-2.57-2.741s-2.571 1.037-2.571 2.741c0 1.713.92 2.75 2.57 2.75zm0-1.175c-.641 0-1.004-.437-1.004-1.575 0-1.108.363-1.566 1.005-1.566.637 0 1.004.458 1.004 1.566 0 1.138-.367 1.575-1.005 1.575zm7.787-4.088h1.924v1.09h-1.924V9.87h-1.09V7.956h-1.924v-1.09h1.924V4.932h1.09v1.934z"/></svg>  <span> Art Basel </span></div>  <span class="teaser__title-name">Frontal-Attacke des Präsidenten der Schweizer Galerien: «Die Art Basel ist ein Kartell, das die Schweizer Kunstszene ruiniert»</span></span>   </div>   </a> <div bookmark-type="article" bookmark-sub-type="teaser" class="metainfo metainfo--1of3 metainfo--regular metainfo--empty"><div class="metainfo__main metainfo__main--regular"><div class="metainfo__wrapper">       </div>  </div> <div class="metainfo__actions metainfo__actions--regular "></div></div></div></div></article> </div><div data-nzz-tid="widget-1of3" data-source-element-widget="Widget-1/3-Breite" id="top-2-gzv5xb" content="" pagetype="page" componenttype="widget--1of3" class="widget--1of3"> <article data-source-element-widget="" class="teaser--article teaser--1of3"><div id="id-ld_2704145" data-nzz-tid="teaser" data-nzz-ct="" class="teaser teaser__layout--regular teaser--size-1of3">    <div class="poster poster--1of3 poster--1of3-regular"><figure class="poster__figure poster__figure--image"><a href="/aargau/aarau/aarau-still-und-leise-warum-sich-weltkonditor-david-schmid-in-die-aarauer-telli-zurueckgezogen-hat-ld.2704145" data-nzz-referrer="teaserLink" class="teaser__link teaser__link--poster teaser__link--poster-1of3"><div class="image-placeholder poster__placeholder" style="padding-bottom:56.25%;"><img alt="Weltkonditor David Schmid hat mit seiner Frau Nicole in der Telli ein Atelier eröffnet. 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Aber in San Francisco sehen Sie solche Autos herumfahren."},prevElement:d,nextElement:aZ},{component:"personbox",identifier:aZ,id:"doc-1idq3qe0h0",content:{name:"Von der ETH ins Silicon Valley",image:{originalUrl:"https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F0ca1ee26-a4d0-4ae2-ad2c-f84b57940c2e.png",url:"https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F0ca1ee26-a4d0-4ae2-ad2c-f84b57940c2e.png?width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp",mediaId:"DLsD2umPXr9r",key:"2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F0ca1ee26-a4d0-4ae2-ad2c-f84b57940c2e.png",width:197,height:239,mimeType:"image\u002Fpng",imageService:w},bio:"Urs Hölzle (Jahrgang 1964) wuchs in Liestal auf und studierte von 1984 bis 1988 Informatik an der ETH Zürich. Er promovierte 1994 in an der Stanford University, wo er auch die Google-Gründer Larry Page und Sergey Brin kennenlernte. 1999 stieg er bei deren Start-up ein und wurde der erste Chef-Ingenieur des Unternehmens. Er war für verschiedene Bereiche verantwortlich, zuletzt für die technische Infrastruktur (mit 14’000 Mitarbeitenden) und für die Clouds. Lange lebte Hölzle im Silicon Valley, 2021 zog er nach Neuseeland. Mitte 2023 trat er etwas kürzer und hat heute die Rolle eines Google Fellow inne. \u003Cem\u003E(saw)\u003C\u002Fem\u003E"},prevElement:e,nextElement:d},{component:q,identifier:d,id:"doc-1idq1dr810",content:{text:"\u003Cstrong\u003EUnd jetzt gilt es, der künstlichen Intelligenz mit Optimismus zu begegnen?\u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E"},prevElement:aZ,nextElement:e},{component:r,identifier:e,id:"doc-1idq1dr830",content:{text:"Auf jeden Fall. Hätten wir bei der Einführung von Computern gesagt: EDV? Ui, die Datensicherheit … Wir machen das besser weiterhin von Hand! Wo stünden wir dann heute bei den grossen Schweizer Unternehmen? Es gibt eine eindrückliche Studie für die Schweiz, die zeigt, dass die wirtschaftliche Wertschöpfung der Schweiz um bis zu 11 Prozent zunimmt, wenn wir die Möglichkeiten der KI sinnvoll nutzen. Da liegt enormes Potenzial brach. Wie damals bei der EDV wissen wir jetzt auch bei der KI nicht genau, wohin der Weg führt. Aber beide waren eine klare Chance, wir sollten uns deshalb keine Angst einjagen lassen."},prevElement:d,nextElement:d},{component:q,identifier:d,id:"doc-1idq1dr850",content:{text:"\u003Cstrong\u003EKI ist eine Chance für die Schweiz – und auch für Google. Und zugleich ein Risiko: Google ist schon sehr mächtig, und die Wettbewerbsbehörden wollen Ihnen bei der KI Fesseln anlegen.\u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E"},prevElement:e,nextElement:e},{component:r,identifier:e,id:"doc-1idq1dr870",content:{text:"Ich hätte jetzt ein ganz anderes Risiko erwähnt. Warum sind wir die führende Suchmaschine? Weil die Nutzer zu uns gekommen sind. Jetzt haben wir KI, und es ist klar, dass sie vieles, auch die Suche, umkrempeln wird. Heisst: Unser Hauptrisiko ist nicht der Regulator, sondern dass ein Wettbewerber die KI schneller und besser anwendet als wir! Allerdings bin ich diesbezüglich sehr zuversichtlich."},prevElement:d,nextElement:d},{component:q,identifier:d,id:"doc-1idq1dr8a0",content:{text:"\u003Cstrong\u003EWar es nie so gefährlich für Google, seine Nummer-1-Position zu verlieren, wie jetzt?\u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E"},prevElement:e,nextElement:e},{component:r,identifier:e,id:"doc-1idq1dr8c0",content:{text:"Das würde ich so nicht sagen. Es hätte in den letzten 26 Jahren sehr vieles schiefgehen können. Hätte es auf dem Smartphone beispielsweise nur Microsoft und Apple gegeben, wären wir wohl als Suchmaschine kaum mehr dabei. Für die Suche eignet sich KI aktuell nur sehr bedingt. Damit sie funktioniert, braucht es fast AGI («Artificial General Intelligence», eine Art von künstlicher Intelligenz, die in der Lage ist, jede intellektuelle Aufgabe zu erledigen, die ein Mensch bewältigen kann, die Red.). Davon sind wir noch weit entfernt. Die KI halluziniert, bei der Suche ist sie überfordert. In fünf oder zehn Jahren wissen wir mehr."},prevElement:d,nextElement:d},{component:q,identifier:d,id:"doc-1idq1dr8e0",content:{text:"\u003Cstrong\u003EErgebnisse von Sprachmodellen wie ChatGPT sind ausformuliert und verzichten auf Links. Die Link-Vermittlung ist aber gerade das Geschäftsmodell von Google. Ist das in Gefahr?\u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E"},prevElement:e,nextElement:e},{component:r,identifier:e,id:"doc-1idq1dr8g0",content:{text:"Man kann noch weiter gehen und sich fragen: Lohnt es sich überhaupt noch, an Inhalten und Wissen zu arbeiten? Hat neues Wissen überhaupt noch einen Wert? Heute besteht die Möglichkeit, aus neu geschaffenem Wissen ein Geschäft zu machen. Ich meine damit nicht nur die Wissenschaft, sondern zum Beispiel auch das Wissen, das ein Reisebüro hat. Es verkauft letztlich Kompetenz. Wenn diese Kompetenz aber nicht mehr über das Web vermittelt wird, muss es etwas anderes geben. Was das sein könnte, ist offen."},prevElement:d,nextElement:d},{component:q,identifier:d,id:"doc-1idq1dr8h0",content:{text:"\u003Cstrong\u003EReisetipps werden weiterhin gefragt sein, aber nicht mehr von einem Reisebüro kommen, sondern von einer irgendwie gearteten KI?\u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E"},prevElement:e,nextElement:e},{component:r,identifier:e,id:"doc-1idq1dr8j0",content:{text:"Heute kommen die Tipps vielleicht von einem Reise-Blogger. Vielleicht hat dieser in Zukunft keine Website mehr, sondern einen Bot. Und sein Bot ist besser als andere, weil er die beste Expertise hat. Der Reisewillige unterhält sich dann mit ihm, anstatt im Internet nach Reisetipps zu suchen."},prevElement:d,nextElement:Y},{component:cI,identifier:Y,id:"doc-1idq454lo1",content:{image:{originalUrl:"https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F2ce9b9e2-462e-4634-a256-08e601f10c14.jpeg",url:cQ,mediaId:"ygpJqPdIptH-",key:"2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F2ce9b9e2-462e-4634-a256-08e601f10c14.jpeg",width:a_,height:5628,mimeType:v,altText:cO,origins:[{name:l,identifier:cR}],crop:{x:f,y:938,width:a_,height:a_},imageService:w},caption:"«Die grossen Sprachmodelle sind nicht wirklich intelligent»: Urs Hölzle in den Zürcher Google-Büros.",author:cS},prevElement:e,nextElement:d},{component:q,identifier:d,id:"doc-1idq1dr8l0",content:{text:"\u003Cstrong\u003ESie sagten, die KI halluziniere noch viel. Ist sie zurzeit also noch gar nicht wirklich intelligent?\u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E"},prevElement:Y,nextElement:e},{component:r,identifier:e,id:"doc-1idq1dr8q0",content:{text:"Viele Leute glauben, wir hätten bereits jetzt eine eigentliche künstliche Intelligenz. Die grossen Sprachmodelle sind aber nicht wirklich intelligent. Es sind sozusagen «Taschenrechner für die Sprache», nicht mehr. Seit wir den Taschenrechner haben, ist es nicht mehr nötig, im Kopf selber zu multiplizieren. Jetzt ist es nicht mehr nötig, Sätze selber zu formulieren."},prevElement:d,nextElement:d},{component:q,identifier:d,id:"doc-1idq1dr8u0",content:{text:"\u003Cstrong\u003EBedroht KI den Journalismus?\u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E"},prevElement:e,nextElement:e},{component:r,identifier:e,id:"doc-1idq1dr930",content:{text:"Das glaube ich nicht. Der Wert von Wissen und Information, die gefragt ist, sinkt durch KI nicht. Dafür wird es weiterhin einen Markt geben. Wahrscheinlich werden Marken wieder wichtiger werden, denen man vertraut. Grosse Sprachmodelle täuschen uns heute vor, perfekt zu sein, weil sie fehlerfrei formulieren. Doch korrekt sind oft nur die Sätze, nicht ihr Inhalt, und Zusammenhänge verstehen sie nicht. Noch einmal: KI ist ein Hilfsmittel und gerade darum eine Chance."},prevElement:d,nextElement:d},{component:q,identifier:d,id:"doc-1idq1dr970",content:{text:"\u003Cstrong\u003EEs gibt namhafte Experten, die von den Gefahren einer allgemeinen künstlichen Intelligenz warnen. Dazu gehören Elon Musk, Stephen Hawking oder der OpenAI-Gründer Sam Altman.\u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E"},prevElement:e,nextElement:e},{component:r,identifier:e,id:"doc-1idq1dr9b0",content:{text:"Bei Sam Altman ist das mitunter auch eine Werbemasche. Er schürt grosse Erwartungen. Eine allgemeine künstliche Intelligenz (AGI) ist in weiter Ferne. Aber klar, es könnte sein, dass man einmal an diesen Punkt kommt. Das würde die Welt fundamental verändern. Es ist nicht falsch, sich heute schon darüber Gedanken zu machen. Sich aber intensiv mit den naheliegenden Folgen für die Wirtschaft auseinanderzusetzen, erachte ich kurzfristig als wichtiger."},prevElement:d,nextElement:d},{component:q,identifier:d,id:"doc-1idq1dr9f0",content:{text:"\u003Cstrong\u003EVor rund zwei Jahren lancierte OpenAI das Sprachmodell ChatGPT. Google schien überrascht. Sergey Brin und Larry Page, die Google-Gründer, haben kurzzeitig das Zepter wieder übernommen. Wie haben Sie diese Zeit erlebt?\u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E"},prevElement:e,nextElement:e},{component:r,identifier:e,id:"doc-1idq1dr9j0",content:{text:"Wir besassen bereits ein Sprachmodell namens Lamda. Wir hatten es aber noch nicht veröffentlicht, weil wir glaubten, dass es noch zu wenig gut sei. Auch ChatGPT war anfänglich sehr mangelhaft. Wenn wir als Google ein solch unfertiges Produkt auf den Markt gebracht hätten, wäre das für uns ein Reputationsschaden gewesen."},prevElement:d,nextElement:d},{component:q,identifier:d,id:"doc-1idq1dr9o0",content:{text:"\u003Cstrong\u003EGoogle hat mit seiner Suchmaschine die Welt verändert. Mittlerweile ist es längst kein Start-up mehr, sondern ein komplexer Konzern, der sich um Regulierung und Reputationsrisiken kümmern muss. Kann man da noch disruptiv sein?\u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E"},prevElement:e,nextElement:e},{component:r,identifier:e,id:"doc-1idq1dr9s0",content:{text:"Im Silicon Valley sagen wir: Nur die Paranoiden überleben. Die Ordnung ist nicht gottgegeben. Verpasst man eine wichtige technische Entwicklung, kann man seine Vormachtstellung verlieren. Eigentlich ist die Sache ziemlich einfach: Langfristig gewinnt das beste Produkt. Denn die Konkurrenz ist im Internet nur einen Klick entfernt. Facebook beispielsweise war nicht das erste soziale Netzwerk, aber damals das beste. Heute ist Facebook nicht mehr so cool. Doch der Konzern hat sich weiterentwickelt."},prevElement:d,nextElement:a$},{component:ak,identifier:a$,id:cT,content:{kaltura:{html:"\u003Cdiv style=\"position: relative; padding-bottom: 56%; height: 0; overflow: hidden; max-width: 100%\"\u003E \u003Ciframe style=\"position: absolute; top: 0; left: 0; width: 100%; height: 100%;\" src=\"https:\u002F\u002Fwww.kaltura.com\u002Fp\u002F1719221\u002Fsp\u002F171922100\u002FembedIframeJs\u002Fuiconf_id\u002F26605721\u002Fpartner_id\u002F1719221?iframeembed=true&playerId=_1719221&entry_id=1_83k5k0lg\" data-options=\"noads\" itemprop=\"video\" itemscope=\"\" itemtype=\"\u002F\u002Fschema.org\u002FVideoObject\" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozAllowFullScreen frameborder=\"0\"\u003E \u003C\u002Fiframe\u003E \u003C\u002Fdiv\u003E"},caption:"Schweizerdeutsch beherrscht er immer noch, nach all den Jahren in den USA: Urs Hölzle im Video-Interview.",author:"Video: Patrik Müller und Raffael Schuppisser"},data:{_kalturaDirective:{_embedHandler:ak,originalEmbed:"\u003Cdiv class=\"kalturaPlayerChmedia\" data-type=\"kaltura_singleArticle\" data-id=\"1_83k5k0lg\" data-options=\"noads\" itemprop=\"video\" itemscope=\"\" itemtype=\"\u002F\u002Fschema.org\u002FVideoObject\"\u003E\n \u003Cspan itemprop=\"name\" content=\"Interview mit Google-Manager Urs Hölzle\"\u003E\u003C\u002Fspan\u003E\n \u003Cspan itemprop=\"description\" content=\"Interview mit dem Schweizer Google-Pionier Urs Hölzle anlässlich 20 Jahre Google Schweiz.\"\u003E\u003C\u002Fspan\u003E\n \u003Cspan itemprop=\"duration\" content=\"64\"\u003E\u003C\u002Fspan\u003E\n \u003Cspan itemprop=\"thumbnailUrl\" content=\"https:\u002F\u002Fcfvod.kaltura.com\u002Fp\u002F1719221\u002Fsp\u002F171922100\u002Fthumbnail\u002Fentry_id\u002F1_83k5k0lg\u002Fversion\u002F100051\u002Fwidth\u002F1920\u002Fheight\u002F1080\"\u003E\u003C\u002Fspan\u003E\n \u003Cspan itemprop=\"width\" content=\"1920\"\u003E\u003C\u002Fspan\u003E\n \u003Cspan itemprop=\"height\" content=\"1080\"\u003E\u003C\u002Fspan\u003E\n \u003Cspan itemprop=\"uploadDate\" content=\"2024-11-25T16:00:34.000Z\"\u003E\u003C\u002Fspan\u003E\n \u003Cspan itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\u002F\u002Fcdnapisec.kaltura.com\u002Fp\u002F1719221\u002Fsp\u002F171922100\u002FplayManifest\u002FentryId\u002F1_83k5k0lg\u002Fformat\u002Furl\u002Fprotocol\u002Fhttps\"\u003E\u003C\u002Fspan\u003E\n \u003Cspan itemprop=\"author\" content=\"Tageszeitungen\u002Fundefined\"\u003E\u003C\u002Fspan\u003E \n \u003C\u002Fdiv\u003E\n "}},prevElement:e,nextElement:d},{component:q,identifier:d,id:"doc-1idq1dra00",content:{text:"\u003Cstrong\u003ESich von Paranoia zu Innovation treiben zu lassen: Das hört sich sehr anstrengend an.\u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E"},prevElement:a$,nextElement:e},{component:r,identifier:e,id:"doc-1idq1dra90",content:{text:"Innovation ist anstrengend. Unser Ziel ist immer, das bestehende Produkt so rasch zu verbessern, dass das heutige schon in ein paar Jahren alt aussieht. Das ist derzeit bei der KI der Fall. Wir haben zwar unser Sprachmodell erst nach OpenAI veröffentlicht, inzwischen liegen wir aber ganz vorn: Gemini führt unabhängige Qualitätsrankings an. Heisst dies, dass wir gewinnen werden?"},prevElement:d,nextElement:d},{component:q,identifier:d,id:"doc-1idq1mbau0",content:{text:"\u003Cstrong\u003EWas ist Ihre Antwort?\u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E"},prevElement:e,nextElement:e},{component:r,identifier:e,id:"doc-1idq1m7iu1",content:{text:"Keine Ahnung. Aber in zwei Jahren werden wir auf Gemini schauen und uns hoffentlich an den Kopf greifen, weil die Version 2024 so viel schlechter als jene von 2026 war und man sich kaum vorstellen kann, wie man jemals mit dieser früheren Version zufrieden sein konnte."},prevElement:d,nextElement:d},{component:q,identifier:d,id:"doc-1idq1drae0",content:{text:"\u003Cstrong\u003EWie sehen Sie folgendes Dilemma: Wenn Entwickler zu wenig in die KI-Modelle eingreifen, halluzinieren diese Anwendungen und spuken vielleicht gar rassistische Sätze aus. Greifen sie zu stark ein, betreiben sie Zensur. \u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E"},prevElement:e,nextElement:e},{component:r,identifier:e,id:"doc-1idq1drai0",content:{text:"Genau das macht die Nutzung von künstlicher Intelligenz – etwa auch für die Suche – so schwierig. Das Dilemma ist derzeit technisch fast unlösbar."},prevElement:d,nextElement:d},{component:q,identifier:d,id:"doc-1idq1dram0",content:{text:"\u003Cstrong\u003EZensurvorwürfe gibt es auch im guten alten Internet. Der konservative Podcaster Joe Rogan beklagte sich jüngst, dass seine Videos auf Youtube (gehört zu Google) nicht viral gehen. Im Gegensatz zu X, wo sie trenden.\u003C\u002Fstrong\u003E"},prevElement:e,nextElement:e},{component:r,identifier:e,id:"doc-1idq1drap0",content:{text:"Es gibt keinen einzigen Youtuber, der zufrieden ist, wie oft seine Inhalte den Nutzern angezeigt werden. Alle wollen mehr Sichtbarkeit. Genau das spricht aber für die Seriosität unserer Plattform. Wir bevorzugen niemanden. Wir haben unsere klaren Standards und an diese halten wir uns. 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Trotzdem hat er nun mit seiner Frau Nicole ein kleines Atelier in einer Gewerbebox in der Aarauer Industrie eröffnet – ganz ohne Tamtam.","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F43ffb545-fe90-40c7-8826-8cea4419072d.jpeg?crop=6000,3375,x0,y313&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F43ffb545-fe90-40c7-8826-8cea4419072d.jpeg?crop=6000,4000,x0,y0&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F43ffb545-fe90-40c7-8826-8cea4419072d.jpeg?crop=4000,4000,x1000,y0&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F43ffb545-fe90-40c7-8826-8cea4419072d.jpeg?width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.aargauerzeitung.ch\u002Faargau\u002Faarau\u002Faarau-still-und-leise-warum-sich-weltkonditor-david-schmid-in-die-aarauer-telli-zurueckgezogen-hat-ld.2704145","Weltkonditor David Schmid hat mit seiner Frau Nicole in der Telli ein Atelier eröffnet.","Still und leise: Warum sich Weltkonditor David Schmid in die Aarauer Telli zurückgezogen hat","Keith Tsuji \u002F Getty Images AsiaPac","Grosse Namen, unklare Geschäfte: Das undurchsichtige Spiel mit einer wandelbaren Firmenhülle","Die börsennotierte Basler Firma Youngtimers schreibt seit Jahren Verluste. Nun soll sie ein 700-Millionen-Dollar-Vermögen der Hongkonger Cheng-Dynastie verwalten. Einblick in eine internationale Finanzspekulation ohne Kontrolle.","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F724fbf0f-1fea-45e6-b027-3f9c4f4222b2.jpeg?crop=3746,2107,x0,y693&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F724fbf0f-1fea-45e6-b027-3f9c4f4222b2.jpeg?crop=4214,2809,x0,y673&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp",4044,"https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F724fbf0f-1fea-45e6-b027-3f9c4f4222b2.jpeg?crop=4044,4044,x0,y307&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","Aargauer Apotheken werben derzeit für die Zeckenimpfung. Der oberste Apotheker erklärt, weshalb ein guter Schutz auch zur (vermeintlich) kalten Jahreszeit sinnvoll ist.","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F586ec670-2b10-41d8-a08b-ffd84ba8b9cf.jpeg?crop=1600,900,x0,y150&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F586ec670-2b10-41d8-a08b-ffd84ba8b9cf.jpeg?crop=1600,1067,x0,y67&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F586ec670-2b10-41d8-a08b-ffd84ba8b9cf.jpeg?crop=1200,1200,x200,y0&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F586ec670-2b10-41d8-a08b-ffd84ba8b9cf.jpeg?width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.aargauerzeitung.ch\u002Faargau\u002Fkanton-aargau\u002Fweshalb-man-sich-im-winter-gegen-zecken-impfen-sollte-ld.2705070","Bild: Nana Do Carmo","Eine mit Blut vollgesogene Zecke, fotografiert im Kanton Thurgau.","Zeckenimpfung im Winter – wie sinnvoll ist das?","Weshalb man sich im Winter gegen Zecken impfen sollte","Robert F. Bukaty \u002F AP","«Etwas hat mich aufgespiesst»: Ski-Star Shiffrin gibt nach ihrem Sturz ein Verletzungs-Update","2024-12-01T09:26:37.622Z","Bei der Jagd auf ihren 100. Weltcupsieg stürzt Mikaela Shiffrin schwer. Nun meldet sie sich über die sozialen Medien.","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F12\u002F01\u002F017c8abb-8218-4668-8ab1-a7b286b49ec7.jpeg?crop=5412,3044,x0,y282&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp",3044,"https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F12\u002F01\u002F017c8abb-8218-4668-8ab1-a7b286b49ec7.jpeg?crop=5412,3608,x0,y0&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F12\u002F01\u002F017c8abb-8218-4668-8ab1-a7b286b49ec7.jpeg?crop=3608,3608,x902,y0&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F12\u002F01\u002F017c8abb-8218-4668-8ab1-a7b286b49ec7.jpeg?width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","Die US-Amerikanern Mikaela Shiffrin wird nach ihrem Sturz am Samstag ins Tal gebracht.","In der ersten Folge unserer Adventsserie führen wir Sie durch die unbekannte Burgruine Freudenau in Untersiggenthal. Peter Frey, Autor des Buches «Die Burgen des Kantons Aargau», erzählt im Video ihre Geschichte.","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F87a985e6-6050-45bc-b389-7f55a09fa09d.jpeg?crop=2697,1517,x594,y411&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F87a985e6-6050-45bc-b389-7f55a09fa09d.jpeg?crop=2560,1707,x649,y347&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp",1348,"https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F87a985e6-6050-45bc-b389-7f55a09fa09d.jpeg?crop=1348,1348,x1317,y475&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.aargauerzeitung.ch\u002Faargau\u002Fkanton-aargau\u002Faargauer-adventsserie-14-ein-toter-nach-missglueckter-turm-sprengung-rundgang-durch-die-burgruine-freudenau-ld.2704793","Der King of Kalauer will mit seiner bis Herbst 2025 laufenden Tournee «Don’t Worry be Happy» bei jenen gute Laune verbreiten, die im Leben wenig zu lachen haben.","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F29\u002F80ef67ab-c26e-4d52-900b-0d8a892d7b46.jpeg?crop=4199,2363,x960,y486&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F29\u002F80ef67ab-c26e-4d52-900b-0d8a892d7b46.jpeg?crop=3733,2488,x1089,y421&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F29\u002F80ef67ab-c26e-4d52-900b-0d8a892d7b46.jpeg?crop=2488,2488,x2057,y473&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","Bild: Alex Spichale \u002F KUL","Comedian Marco Rima in der Konzerthalle in Solothurn.","2024-11-29T15:30:00.000Z","Die beiden Bestsellerautoren haben ihr zweites gemeinsames Buch veröffentlicht. Ein Gespräch mit dem 76-jährigen Martin Suter und dem 49-jährigen Benjamin von Stuckrad-Barre über ihre Freundschaft und ihre Eitelkeit, übers Haarefärben und über Tankstellensträusse, über den Tod und übers Trinken.",1650,"https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F4fe2a3b3-7854-4997-9567-a8cc4ebc3918.gif?crop=1650,928,x0,y0&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F4fe2a3b3-7854-4997-9567-a8cc4ebc3918.gif?crop=1392,928,x234,y0&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F28\u002F4fe2a3b3-7854-4997-9567-a8cc4ebc3918.gif?crop=928,928,x453,y0&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","Martin Suter und Benjamin von Stuckrad-Barre: «Uns ist beiden Erfolg sehr wichtig - und wir sind beide eitel.»","Bild: Getty","Das sollten Sie noch vor Ende 2024 erledigen – die grosse Checkliste, um Steuern und Prämien zu sparen","2024-11-08T16:00:00.000Z","Krankenkasse, Vorsorge, Bankkonti, Versicherungen und Erbvorbezug: Mit diesen Last-Minute-Tipps lässt sich Geld sparen.","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F04\u002Ff0025652-cea0-48e5-86cf-f9ddff3370a4.jpeg?crop=5412,3044,x471,y199&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F04\u002Ff0025652-cea0-48e5-86cf-f9ddff3370a4.jpeg?crop=4811,3207,x731,y223&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp",3266,"https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F04\u002Ff0025652-cea0-48e5-86cf-f9ddff3370a4.jpeg?crop=3266,3266,x1538,y0&width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","https:\u002F\u002Fimg.chmedia.ch\u002F2024\u002F11\u002F04\u002Ff0025652-cea0-48e5-86cf-f9ddff3370a4.jpeg?width=1024&quality=75&auto=webp","Bis Ende Jahr gibt es noch einiges zu tun, um die Finanzen auf Vordermann zu bringen.","CH","AAZ",100,{},"««Nur die Paranoiden überleben»: Der Schweizer Google-Pionier Urs Hölzle über Erfindergeist und künstliche 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