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class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Main_Picture" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Main_Picture"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Main Picture</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Main_Picture-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Human_Cloning_Section" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Human_Cloning_Section"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Human Cloning Section</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Human_Cloning_Section-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Dolly_Parton" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Dolly_Parton"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Dolly Parton</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Dolly_Parton-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_8_August_2014" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_8_August_2014"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2014</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_8_August_2014-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-summary_words_'strong_resistance_in_other_regions_due_to_misinformation'_unsupported_by_citation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#summary_words_'strong_resistance_in_other_regions_due_to_misinformation'_unsupported_by_citation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>summary words 'strong resistance in other regions due to misinformation' unsupported by citation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-summary_words_'strong_resistance_in_other_regions_due_to_misinformation'_unsupported_by_citation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Cloning_in_Nature" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Cloning_in_Nature"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Cloning in Nature</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Cloning_in_Nature-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_August_2015" 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Picture and the aspen tree</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-1._Picture_and_the_aspen_tree-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-External_links_modified_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#External_links_modified_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>External links modified</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-External_links_modified_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-External_links_modified_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#External_links_modified_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>External links modified</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul 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Tadpoles (the larval stage of amphibians) are animals, therefore if tadpoles have been cloned before, Dolly is not the first cloned animal. Maybe it should say: "Though Dolly was the first cloned mammal, the first vertebrate to be cloned was a tadpole in 1952." Does anybody know if there has been other instances of mammal cloning before Dolly ? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Pijeth" title="User:Pijeth">Pijeth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pijeth" title="User talk:Pijeth">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pijeth" title="Special:Contributions/Pijeth">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Pijeth-2010-02-09T09:24:00.000Z-Section_3.3.2:_Tadpoles_are_animals" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pijeth-2010-02-09T09:24:00.000Z-Section_3.3.2:_Tadpoles_are_animals"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pijeth-2010-02-09T09:24:00.000Z-Section_3.3.2:_Tadpoles_are_animals"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gabbe-2010-02-09T09:41:00.000Z-Pijeth-2010-02-09T09:24:00.000Z"></span>My bad. I meant to say "mammal", not "animal". I've fixed it now. <a href="/wiki/User:Gabbe" title="User:Gabbe">Gabbe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gabbe" title="User talk:Gabbe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Gabbe-2010-02-09T09:41:00.000Z-Pijeth-2010-02-09T09:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gabbe-2010-02-09T09:41:00.000Z-Pijeth-2010-02-09T09:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gabbe-2010-02-09T09:41:00.000Z-Pijeth-2010-02-09T09:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dolly_was_not_the_first_cloned_mammal." data-mw-thread-id="h-Dolly_was_not_the_first_cloned_mammal.-2010-05-27T20:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dolly_was_not_the_first_cloned_mammal.-2010-05-27T20:56:00.000Z"></span>Dolly was not the first cloned mammal.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dolly_was_not_the_first_cloned_mammal.-2010-05-27T20:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Dolly was not the first cloned mammal."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-76.28.72.87-2010-05-27T20:56:00.000Z-Dolly_was_not_the_first_cloned_mammal."></span>Despite the fact that the article states this. It even says about 6 sentences later that the first mammal cloned was a mouse! Can someone fix this? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/76.28.72.87" title="Special:Contributions/76.28.72.87">76.28.72.87</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:76.28.72.87" title="User talk:76.28.72.87">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-76.28.72.87-2010-05-27T20:56:00.000Z-Dolly_was_not_the_first_cloned_mammal." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-76.28.72.87-2010-05-27T20:56:00.000Z-Dolly_was_not_the_first_cloned_mammal."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-76.28.72.87-2010-05-27T20:56:00.000Z-Dolly_was_not_the_first_cloned_mammal."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aircorn-2010-12-15T02:25:00.000Z-76.28.72.87-2010-05-27T20:56:00.000Z"></span>Dolly was cloned from an adult cell, the mouse from an embryonic cell. Thats a big difference and should be explained in the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Aircorn" title="User:Aircorn">AIR<span style="color:green;"><i><b>corn</b></i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aircorn" title="User talk:Aircorn">(talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Aircorn-2010-12-15T02:25:00.000Z-76.28.72.87-2010-05-27T20:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:25, 15 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aircorn-2010-12-15T02:25:00.000Z-76.28.72.87-2010-05-27T20:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aircorn-2010-12-15T02:25:00.000Z-76.28.72.87-2010-05-27T20:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kisstudent17-2011-01-24T07:35:00.000Z-Dolly_was_not_the_first_cloned_mammal."></span>I agree that is stated very well that Dolly was first cloned mammal from an adult cell, but is there posibillity somebody to write about first cloning ever, because is hard to find evidence that don't say that Dolly is the first cloned mammal. Thanks <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Kisstudent17&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Kisstudent17 (page does not exist)">Kisstudent17</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kisstudent17" title="User talk:Kisstudent17">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kisstudent17" title="Special:Contributions/Kisstudent17">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Kisstudent17-2011-01-24T07:35:00.000Z-Dolly_was_not_the_first_cloned_mammal." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:35, 24 January 2011 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kisstudent17-2011-01-24T07:35:00.000Z-Dolly_was_not_the_first_cloned_mammal."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kisstudent17-2011-01-24T07:35:00.000Z-Dolly_was_not_the_first_cloned_mammal."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rule_of_Thumb?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rule_of_Thumb?-2010-12-15T00:29:00.000Z"><span id="Rule_of_Thumb.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rule_of_Thumb?-2010-12-15T00:29:00.000Z"></span>Rule of Thumb?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rule_of_Thumb?-2010-12-15T00:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Rule of Thumb?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.245.164.83-2010-12-15T00:29:00.000Z-Rule_of_Thumb?"></span>There is no reference to any "rule of thumb" for restoration of extinct species. Just who determines the rules? --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.245.164.83" title="Special:Contributions/71.245.164.83">71.245.164.83</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:71.245.164.83" title="User talk:71.245.164.83">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-71.245.164.83-2010-12-15T00:29:00.000Z-Rule_of_Thumb?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:29, 15 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.245.164.83-2010-12-15T00:29:00.000Z-Rule_of_Thumb?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.245.164.83-2010-12-15T00:29:00.000Z-Rule_of_Thumb?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.245.164.83-2010-12-15T00:29:00.000Z-Rule_of_Thumb?-1"></span>Suppose the "rule" was such that no species should be genetically restored until former habitat is first restored - why would that prevent the restoration of any species destroyed by man, such as the <a href="/wiki/Passenger_Pigeon" class="mw-redirect" title="Passenger Pigeon">Passenger Pigeon</a> or the <a href="/wiki/Great_Auk" class="mw-redirect" title="Great Auk">Great Auk</a>? There is plenty of existing habitat - they were lost primarily by the lack of regulations. Regulations already protect hundreds (if not thousands) of species from extinction. --<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.245.164.83" title="Special:Contributions/71.245.164.83">71.245.164.83</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:71.245.164.83" title="User talk:71.245.164.83">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-71.245.164.83-2010-12-15T00:29:00.000Z-Rule_of_Thumb?-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:29, 15 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.245.164.83-2010-12-15T00:29:00.000Z-Rule_of_Thumb?-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.245.164.83-2010-12-15T00:29:00.000Z-Rule_of_Thumb?-1"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Relevant_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Relevant_article-2010-07-30T07:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Relevant_article-2010-07-30T07:26:00.000Z"></span>Relevant article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Relevant_article-2010-07-30T07:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Relevant article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/business/global/30got.html"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dhollm-2010-07-30T07:26:00.000Z-Relevant_article"></span>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/business/global/30got.html</a> story about cloned fighting bulls </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Dhollm" title="User:Dhollm">Dhollm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dhollm" title="User talk:Dhollm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Dhollm-2010-07-30T07:26:00.000Z-Relevant_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dhollm-2010-07-30T07:26:00.000Z-Relevant_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dhollm-2010-07-30T07:26:00.000Z-Relevant_article"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-68.125.48.223-2010-12-24T19:21:00.000Z-Relevant_article"></span>This article does not state the history of cloning. It first originated from early farmers to reproduce fruits that were better than the others. :( <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.125.48.223" title="Special:Contributions/68.125.48.223">68.125.48.223</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:68.125.48.223&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:68.125.48.223 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-68.125.48.223-2010-12-24T19:21:00.000Z-Relevant_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 24 December 2010 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.125.48.223-2010-12-24T19:21:00.000Z-Relevant_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.125.48.223-2010-12-24T19:21:00.000Z-Relevant_article"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gabbe-2010-12-25T02:41:00.000Z-68.125.48.223-2010-12-24T19:21:00.000Z"></span>Cloning is distinct from <a href="/wiki/Artificial_selection" class="mw-redirect" title="Artificial selection">artificial selection</a>, if that's what you're referring to. <a href="/wiki/User:Gabbe" title="User:Gabbe">Gabbe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gabbe" title="User talk:Gabbe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Gabbe-2010-12-25T02:41:00.000Z-68.125.48.223-2010-12-24T19:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:41, 25 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gabbe-2010-12-25T02:41:00.000Z-68.125.48.223-2010-12-24T19:21:00.000Z"><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aflafla1-2011-10-10T05:53:00.000Z-Strange_but_True"></span>The 2010 Iowa State Fair Grand Champion Steer was a clone of the 2008 Champion. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.transova.com/press/BOV_Iowa%20Champion%20Steer%20Press%20Release_FINAL_083010.pdf">Champion steer at Iowa State Fair continues reign</a> I'm not sure it's something to put in the article, or if it is where to place it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Aflafla1" title="User:Aflafla1">Aflafla1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aflafla1" title="User talk:Aflafla1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Aflafla1-2011-10-10T05:53:00.000Z-Strange_but_True" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:53, 10 October 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aflafla1-2011-10-10T05:53:00.000Z-Strange_but_True"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aflafla1-2011-10-10T05:53:00.000Z-Strange_but_True"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Binary_Clones_(science_fiction)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Binary_Clones_(science_fiction)"><span id="Binary_Clones_.28science_fiction.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Binary_Clones_(science_fiction)"></span>Binary Clones (science fiction)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Binary_Clones_(science_fiction)"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Binary Clones (science fiction)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>In the science fiction section, it might be worth noting the concept of binary clones (DNA from two individuals are combined, to create an artificial offspring). It's less common in science fiction, than standard cloning (i.e. one donor), but common enough for it being worth mentioning. Binary clones include the metacrisis <a href="/wiki/Doctor_(Doctor_Who)" class="mw-redirect" title="Doctor (Doctor Who)">Doctor</a> (a hybrid of the Doctor's Time Lord DNA and Donna Noble's human DNA), seen in <a href="/wiki/Journey%27s_End_(Doctor_Who)" title="Journey's End (Doctor Who)">Journey's End</a>, the daughter of <a href="/wiki/T%27Pol" title="T'Pol">T'Pol</a> and <a href="/wiki/Charles_Tucker_III" class="mw-redirect" title="Charles Tucker III">Charles Tucker III</a> on <a href="/wiki/Star_Trek_Enterprise" class="mw-redirect" title="Star Trek Enterprise">Star Trek Enterprise</a>. Along with comic book characters as <a href="/wiki/Superboy_(Kon-El)" title="Superboy (Kon-El)">Superboy</a>, <a href="/wiki/Nate_Grey" title="Nate Grey">Nate Grey</a>, <a href="/wiki/X-23" title="X-23">X-23</a> and Ultimate <a href="/wiki/Spider-Woman" title="Spider-Woman">Spider-Woman</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Weasel_Words_citation_in_final_paragraph" data-mw-thread-id="h-Weasel_Words_citation_in_final_paragraph-2012-03-09T11:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Weasel_Words_citation_in_final_paragraph-2012-03-09T11:13:00.000Z"></span>Weasel Words citation in final paragraph<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Weasel_Words_citation_in_final_paragraph-2012-03-09T11:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Weasel Words citation in final paragraph"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-72.228.51.242-2012-03-09T11:13:00.000Z-Weasel_Words_citation_in_final_paragraph"></span>The sentences following the citation make the citation itself nullified, if I understand things correctly. The citation refers to an ambiguous 'many' and what follows the citation defines that 'many'. Is the citation still required here? <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.228.51.242" title="Special:Contributions/72.228.51.242">72.228.51.242</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:72.228.51.242&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:72.228.51.242 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-72.228.51.242-2012-03-09T11:13:00.000Z-Weasel_Words_citation_in_final_paragraph" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:13, 9 March 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-72.228.51.242-2012-03-09T11:13:00.000Z-Weasel_Words_citation_in_final_paragraph"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-72.228.51.242-2012-03-09T11:13:00.000Z-Weasel_Words_citation_in_final_paragraph"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Extinct" data-mw-thread-id="h-Extinct-2012-06-21T02:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Extinct-2012-06-21T02:44:00.000Z"></span>Extinct<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Extinct-2012-06-21T02:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Extinct"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-101.98.128.11-2012-06-21T02:44:00.000Z-Extinct"></span>Should the cloning of extinct animals have it's own article? <a href="/w/index.php?title=Cloning_extinct_and_endangered_species&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Cloning extinct and endangered species (page does not exist)">Here is an idea for an article name</a>. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/101.98.128.11" title="Special:Contributions/101.98.128.11">101.98.128.11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:101.98.128.11" title="User talk:101.98.128.11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-101.98.128.11-2012-06-21T02:44:00.000Z-Extinct" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 21 June 2012 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-101.98.128.11-2012-06-21T02:44:00.000Z-Extinct"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-101.98.128.11-2012-06-21T02:44:00.000Z-Extinct"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deleting_bit_that_contradicts_the_source_given" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deleting_bit_that_contradicts_the_source_given-2012-12-01T00:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deleting_bit_that_contradicts_the_source_given-2012-12-01T00:20:00.000Z"></span>Deleting bit that contradicts the source given<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deleting_bit_that_contradicts_the_source_given-2012-12-01T00:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Deleting bit that contradicts the source given"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Señor_Service-2012-12-01T00:20:00.000Z-Deleting_bit_that_contradicts_the_source_given"></span>Hi guys - I'm about to make a change to this paragraph: </p><p>"Pyrenean Ibex (2009) was the first "extinct" animal <b>(while the species is not extinct, nor even endangered, no living examples of the Pyrenean subspecies had been known since 2000)</b> to be cloned back to life; the clone lived for seven minutes before dying of lung defects.[33]" </p><p>I'm going to delete the bit in brackets because it contradicts the source article provided. The source says, "The Pyrenean ibex, a form of wild mountain goat, <b>was officially declared extinct in 2000...</b> extensive hunting during the 19th century reduced their numbers to <b>fewer than 100 individuals. They were eventually declared protected in 1973</b>, but by 1981 just 30 remained in their last foothold in the Ordesa National Park..." </p><p>If anyone wants to restore the claim that the animal is "not extinct, nor even endangered", then he or she must provide a source at this point, because the source given says the opposite.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Se%C3%B1or_Service&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Señor Service (page does not exist)">Señor Service</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Se%C3%B1or_Service" title="User talk:Señor Service">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Señor_Service-2012-12-01T00:20:00.000Z-Deleting_bit_that_contradicts_the_source_given" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Señor_Service-2012-12-01T00:20:00.000Z-Deleting_bit_that_contradicts_the_source_given"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Señor_Service-2012-12-01T00:20:00.000Z-Deleting_bit_that_contradicts_the_source_given"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Señor_Service-2012-12-01T00:25:00.000Z-Señor_Service-2012-12-01T00:20:00.000Z"></span>Oh, scratch that - I think I misunderstood it. On reflection, I guess that "species" refers to the Ibex, which is still around - with only the Pyrenean *sub*species being extinct? Left as is.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Se%C3%B1or_Service&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Señor Service (page does not exist)">Señor Service</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Se%C3%B1or_Service" title="User talk:Señor Service">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Señor_Service-2012-12-01T00:25:00.000Z-Señor_Service-2012-12-01T00:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:25, 1 December 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Señor_Service-2012-12-01T00:25:00.000Z-Señor_Service-2012-12-01T00:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Señor_Service-2012-12-01T00:25:00.000Z-Señor_Service-2012-12-01T00:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-74.42.191.247-2014-01-28T06:02:00.000Z-Señor_Service-2012-12-01T00:20:00.000Z"></span>I see the change never came through, the bit in brackets is a bit confusing: being extinct, but not extinct or endangered. While its true the species is still alive, the particular subspecies isn't. And being that it hadn't been fully analyzed for taxonomy, it may be as far to qualify as its own species. Either way the bracketed text needs some help, or removed. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.42.191.247" title="Special:Contributions/74.42.191.247">74.42.191.247</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:74.42.191.247&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:74.42.191.247 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-74.42.191.247-2014-01-28T06:02:00.000Z-Señor_Service-2012-12-01T00:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:02, 28 January 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-74.42.191.247-2014-01-28T06:02:00.000Z-Señor_Service-2012-12-01T00:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-74.42.191.247-2014-01-28T06:02:00.000Z-Señor_Service-2012-12-01T00:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jytdog-2014-01-28T11:56:00.000Z-74.42.191.247-2014-01-28T06:02:00.000Z"></span>I addressed this with an edit today, putting the sub-species clarification in a note. i hope the edit resolves this issue. <a href="/wiki/User:Jytdog" title="User:Jytdog">Jytdog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jytdog" title="User talk:Jytdog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Jytdog-2014-01-28T11:56:00.000Z-74.42.191.247-2014-01-28T06:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:56, 28 January 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jytdog-2014-01-28T11:56:00.000Z-74.42.191.247-2014-01-28T06:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jytdog-2014-01-28T11:56:00.000Z-74.42.191.247-2014-01-28T06:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Birds_and_reptiles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Birds_and_reptiles-2013-03-15T03:58:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Birds_and_reptiles-2013-03-15T03:58:00.000Z"></span>Birds and reptiles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Birds_and_reptiles-2013-03-15T03:58:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Birds and reptiles"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-101.98.128.11-2013-03-15T03:58:00.000Z-Birds_and_reptiles"></span>Is there any reason why birds and reptiles haven't been cloned? I'm surprised that chickens haven't been cloned. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/101.98.128.11" title="Special:Contributions/101.98.128.11">101.98.128.11</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:101.98.128.11" title="User talk:101.98.128.11">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-101.98.128.11-2013-03-15T03:58:00.000Z-Birds_and_reptiles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:58, 15 March 2013 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-101.98.128.11-2013-03-15T03:58:00.000Z-Birds_and_reptiles"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-101.98.128.11-2013-03-15T03:58:00.000Z-Birds_and_reptiles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Acalycine-2014-08-10T10:40:00.000Z-101.98.128.11-2013-03-15T03:58:00.000Z"></span>I'm a bit late, but you could try asking at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RD">reference desk</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Acalycine" title="User:Acalycine"><span style="color: #00b0e0;"><i><b>Acalycine</b></i></span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Acalycine" title="User talk:Acalycine"><span style="color: #00b0e0;"><i><b>(talk</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Acalycine" title="Special:Contributions/Acalycine"><span style="color: #00b0e0;"><i><b>/contribs)</b></i></span></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Acalycine-2014-08-10T10:40:00.000Z-101.98.128.11-2013-03-15T03:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 10 August 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Acalycine-2014-08-10T10:40:00.000Z-101.98.128.11-2013-03-15T03:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Acalycine-2014-08-10T10:40:00.000Z-101.98.128.11-2013-03-15T03:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pentaclebreaker-20220812083700-Acalycine-2014-08-10T10:40:00.000Z"></span>I think, messing around with an egg from birds or reptiles is much more difficult than amphibian or mammal embryos. The reproduction process of birds and reptiles includes the inner-species fertilization and than the building of the (entire) egg around the fertilised cell in the mother organism. In contrast, amphibian and fish reproduction mostly uses externally fertilization, therefor the embryos are readyly handable. For mammals, the extra-uterine-fertilization is a well established prozess, used for cattle, endangered species and humans with reproduction problems for decades. ciao --<a href="/wiki/User:Pentaclebreaker" title="User:Pentaclebreaker">Pentaclebreaker</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pentaclebreaker" title="User talk:Pentaclebreaker">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Pentaclebreaker-20220812083700-Acalycine-2014-08-10T10:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pentaclebreaker-20220812083700-Acalycine-2014-08-10T10:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pentaclebreaker-20220812083700-Acalycine-2014-08-10T10:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hans_Driesch" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hans_Driesch-2013-08-15T22:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hans_Driesch-2013-08-15T22:30:00.000Z"></span>Hans Driesch<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hans_Driesch-2013-08-15T22:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Hans Driesch"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wester-2013-08-15T22:30:00.000Z-Hans_Driesch"></span>Hans Driesch is considered to be the first person to clone an animal. Were is he in this article?--<a href="/wiki/User:Wester" title="User:Wester">Wester</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wester" title="User talk:Wester">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Wester-2013-08-15T22:30:00.000Z-Hans_Driesch" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:30, 15 August 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wester-2013-08-15T22:30:00.000Z-Hans_Driesch"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wester-2013-08-15T22:30:00.000Z-Hans_Driesch"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Section_3.4_Lifespan" data-mw-thread-id="h-Section_3.4_Lifespan-2014-01-28T18:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Section_3.4_Lifespan-2014-01-28T18:26:00.000Z"></span>Section 3.4 Lifespan<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Section_3.4_Lifespan-2014-01-28T18:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Section 3.4 Lifespan"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jfriend2-2014-01-28T18:26:00.000Z-Section_3.4_Lifespan"></span>Can this section be expanded at all? It is a very important point to note, but without follow-up or more information it does not seem necessary to put in its own sub-section. Maybe it should be added to a larger section if no new information or studies can be added. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Jfriend2" title="User:Jfriend2">Jfriend2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jfriend2" title="User talk:Jfriend2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Jfriend2-2014-01-28T18:26:00.000Z-Section_3.4_Lifespan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:26, 28 January 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jfriend2-2014-01-28T18:26:00.000Z-Section_3.4_Lifespan"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jfriend2-2014-01-28T18:26:00.000Z-Section_3.4_Lifespan"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Main_Picture" data-mw-thread-id="h-Main_Picture-2014-02-04T22:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Main_Picture-2014-02-04T22:54:00.000Z"></span>Main Picture<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Main_Picture-2014-02-04T22:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Main Picture"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jfriend2-2014-02-04T22:54:00.000Z-Main_Picture"></span>Does anyone have a different picture that clearly represents cloning? The main picture now is hard to interpret. On first glance it looks like debris floating in water. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Jfriend2" title="User:Jfriend2">Jfriend2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jfriend2" title="User talk:Jfriend2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Jfriend2-2014-02-04T22:54:00.000Z-Main_Picture" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 4 February 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jfriend2-2014-02-04T22:54:00.000Z-Main_Picture"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jfriend2-2014-02-04T22:54:00.000Z-Main_Picture"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Human_Cloning_Section" data-mw-thread-id="h-Human_Cloning_Section-2014-04-15T16:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Human_Cloning_Section-2014-04-15T16:36:00.000Z"></span>Human Cloning Section<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Human_Cloning_Section-2014-04-15T16:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Human Cloning Section"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jfriend2-2014-04-15T16:36:00.000Z-Human_Cloning_Section"></span>The main article <a href="/wiki/Human_Cloning" class="mw-redirect" title="Human Cloning">Human Cloning</a> has recently been updated and the information in this section does not represent the main article anymore. I will be making some changes to this section to better represent the updated information in the main article.<a href="/wiki/User:Jfriend2" title="User:Jfriend2">Jfriend2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jfriend2" title="User talk:Jfriend2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Jfriend2-2014-04-15T16:36:00.000Z-Human_Cloning_Section" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jfriend2-2014-04-15T16:36:00.000Z-Human_Cloning_Section"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jfriend2-2014-04-15T16:36:00.000Z-Human_Cloning_Section"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Estephe9-2014-04-15T16:55:00.000Z-Jfriend2-2014-04-15T16:36:00.000Z"></span>I'm helping too! <a href="/wiki/User:Estephe9" title="User:Estephe9">Estephe9</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Estephe9" title="User talk:Estephe9">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Estephe9-2014-04-15T16:55:00.000Z-Jfriend2-2014-04-15T16:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:55, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Estephe9-2014-04-15T16:55:00.000Z-Jfriend2-2014-04-15T16:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Estephe9-2014-04-15T16:55:00.000Z-Jfriend2-2014-04-15T16:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Samkelekile_Sam-2017-11-06T19:00:00.000Z-Human_Cloning_Section"></span>human cloning started by the end of WW2 and since the its been happening. Celebrities, singers,actors are mostly cloned for different types of reasons. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Samkelekile_Sam&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Samkelekile Sam (page does not exist)">Samkelekile Sam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Samkelekile_Sam" title="User talk:Samkelekile Sam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Samkelekile_Sam-2017-11-06T19:00:00.000Z-Human_Cloning_Section" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 6 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Samkelekile_Sam-2017-11-06T19:00:00.000Z-Human_Cloning_Section"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Samkelekile_Sam-2017-11-06T19:00:00.000Z-Human_Cloning_Section"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cnbrb-2017-11-07T11:41:00.000Z-Samkelekile_Sam-2017-11-06T19:00:00.000Z"></span>Excellent! Good luck with sourcing encyclopedic content on that particular theory. <a href="/wiki/User:Cnbrb" title="User:Cnbrb">Cnbrb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cnbrb" title="User talk:Cnbrb">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Cnbrb-2017-11-07T11:41:00.000Z-Samkelekile_Sam-2017-11-06T19:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 7 November 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cnbrb-2017-11-07T11:41:00.000Z-Samkelekile_Sam-2017-11-06T19:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cnbrb-2017-11-07T11:41:00.000Z-Samkelekile_Sam-2017-11-06T19:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dolly_Parton" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dolly_Parton-2014-07-30T23:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dolly_Parton-2014-07-30T23:16:00.000Z"></span>Dolly Parton<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dolly_Parton-2014-07-30T23:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Dolly Parton"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Allquixotic-2014-07-30T23:16:00.000Z-Dolly_Parton"></span>I am not sure about <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cloning&diff=prev&oldid=575299351">this revision</a>: it seems like a non-sequitur. The link in the references just asks me to login, so I can't see the source material that was quoted for this. Can someone please elaborate? I am only asking because I can't tell if this is meant to convey some information (and I'm just not getting it), or if it is vandalism. <a href="/wiki/User:Allquixotic" title="User:Allquixotic">Allquixotic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Allquixotic" title="User talk:Allquixotic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Allquixotic-2014-07-30T23:16:00.000Z-Dolly_Parton" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:16, 30 July 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Allquixotic-2014-07-30T23:16:00.000Z-Dolly_Parton"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Allquixotic-2014-07-30T23:16:00.000Z-Dolly_Parton"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jytdog-2014-07-31T00:11:00.000Z-Allquixotic-2014-07-30T23:16:00.000Z"></span>somebody created the reference link from inside a university somewhere so the link doesn't work. That was a mistake. I replaced it with a better reference. <a href="/wiki/User:Jytdog" title="User:Jytdog">Jytdog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jytdog" title="User talk:Jytdog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Jytdog-2014-07-31T00:11:00.000Z-Allquixotic-2014-07-30T23:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 31 July 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jytdog-2014-07-31T00:11:00.000Z-Allquixotic-2014-07-30T23:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jytdog-2014-07-31T00:11:00.000Z-Allquixotic-2014-07-30T23:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_8_August_2014" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_8_August_2014-2014-08-08T10:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_8_August_2014-2014-08-08T10:56:00.000Z"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2014<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_8_August_2014-2014-08-08T10:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2014"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rcawooddna-2014-08-08T10:56:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_8_August_2014"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475" /><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620" /></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Please can you change the phrase: "which allow only cells in which the vector has been transfected" to become: "which allow only cells in which the vector has been transformed". The process of transformation is that associated with the insertion of DNA into bacteria, transfection is typically a reference to the transient introduction of DNA into cells such as in mammalian cell research. The heritable introduction of DNA into bacteria is typically achieved via the process of bacterial transformation. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Rcawooddna&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Rcawooddna (page does not exist)">Rcawooddna</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rcawooddna&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Rcawooddna (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Rcawooddna-2014-08-08T10:56:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_8_August_2014" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:56, 8 August 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rcawooddna-2014-08-08T10:56:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_8_August_2014"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rcawooddna-2014-08-08T10:56:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_8_August_2014"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cannolis-2014-08-16T11:02:00.000Z-Rcawooddna-2014-08-08T10:56:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_information_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62" /></span></span> <b>Not done for now:</b> Can you find a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable source</a> that makes these definitions clear? From what I can tell [<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfection#Stable_and_transient_transfection%7C">transfection</a>] is not necessarily transient. <a href="/wiki/User:Cannolis" title="User:Cannolis">Cannolis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cannolis" title="User talk:Cannolis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Cannolis-2014-08-16T11:02:00.000Z-Rcawooddna-2014-08-08T10:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cannolis-2014-08-16T11:02:00.000Z-Rcawooddna-2014-08-08T10:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cannolis-2014-08-16T11:02:00.000Z-Rcawooddna-2014-08-08T10:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="summary_words_'strong_resistance_in_other_regions_due_to_misinformation'_unsupported_by_citation" data-mw-thread-id="h-summary_words_'strong_resistance_in_other_regions_due_to_misinformation'_unsuppo-2014-11-12T05:31:00.000Z"><span id="summary_words_.27strong_resistance_in_other_regions_due_to_misinformation.27_unsupported_by_citation"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-summary_words_'strong_resistance_in_other_regions_due_to_misinformation'_unsuppo-2014-11-12T05:31:00.000Z"></span>summary words 'strong resistance in other regions due to misinformation' unsupported by citation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-summary_words_'strong_resistance_in_other_regions_due_to_misinformation'_unsuppo-2014-11-12T05:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: summary words 'strong resistance in other regions due to misinformation' unsupported by citation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Son_of_eugene-2014-11-12T05:31:00.000Z-summary_words_'strong_resistance_in_other_regions_due_to_misinformation'_unsuppo"></span>The summary at the top of the article includes the sentence: 'Such practice has met strong resistance in other regions due to misinformation,[5] such as Europe, particularly over the labeling issue.' </p><p>This may very well be true, but it is not at all clear that it is such an important fact that it belongs in the summary. After all, it does not help define what clones are, but only that some opposition to one use of them may be due to misinformation. </p><p>Further, the reference cited (#5), does not seem to support the statement, or at least the abstract does not. The reference only says that (roughly) the mortalitity and fertitility rates of cloned animals matches non-cloned ones (in some cases), and that derived food products from them are not accepted because of reasons including "lack of public acceptance" and "low efficiency". Neither one of these, especially the second, is the same thing as "misinformation". </p><p>So i think first some decision should be made as to whether that sentence even belongs in the summary. </p><p>If it does (or if it does not, but is moved elsewhere), it should have a reference that supports it. <a href="/wiki/User:Son_of_eugene" title="User:Son of eugene">Son of eugene</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Son_of_eugene" title="User talk:Son of eugene">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Son_of_eugene-2014-11-12T05:31:00.000Z-summary_words_'strong_resistance_in_other_regions_due_to_misinformation'_unsuppo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:31, 12 November 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Son_of_eugene-2014-11-12T05:31:00.000Z-summary_words_'strong_resistance_in_other_regions_due_to_misinformation'_unsuppo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Son_of_eugene-2014-11-12T05:31:00.000Z-summary_words_'strong_resistance_in_other_regions_due_to_misinformation'_unsuppo"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jytdog-2015-04-09T10:25:00.000Z-summary_words_'strong_resistance_in_other_regions_due_to_misinformation'_unsuppo"></span>I think the author of the sentence conflated their own personal views on GMOs with their own personal views on cloning, and tried to find evidence supported said views, because opposition is usually due to questions of ethics rather than whether it's viable (various news articles support this, such as <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://politiken.dk/mad/madnyt/ECE458262/usa-indfoerer-klonede-dyr-i-maden/">http://politiken.dk/mad/madnyt/ECE458262/usa-indfoerer-klonede-dyr-i-maden/</a> - the primary issues brought up are not about whether the food is safe, but whether it's acceptable). The sentence reveals a very American POV, as it assumes that the US has made the right choice and has the best information. It should be removed for violating NPOV. - Anon, 5:53, 8 April 2015 (UTC). </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>that stuff was well cited both in the lead and the body. arguably doesn't need to be in the lead, so just removed it from there. <a href="/wiki/User:Jytdog" title="User:Jytdog">Jytdog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jytdog" title="User talk:Jytdog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Jytdog-2015-04-09T10:25:00.000Z-summary_words_'strong_resistance_in_other_regions_due_to_misinformation'_unsuppo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:25, 9 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jytdog-2015-04-09T10:25:00.000Z-summary_words_'strong_resistance_in_other_regions_due_to_misinformation'_unsuppo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jytdog-2015-04-09T10:25:00.000Z-summary_words_'strong_resistance_in_other_regions_due_to_misinformation'_unsuppo"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cloning_in_Nature" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cloning_in_Nature-2015-08-11T16:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cloning_in_Nature-2015-08-11T16:29:00.000Z"></span>Cloning in Nature<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cloning_in_Nature-2015-08-11T16:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Cloning in Nature"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jayrsamal-2015-08-11T16:29:00.000Z-Cloning_in_Nature"></span>This para contains many grammatical errors: Original: Cloning is a natural form of reproduccion that had allow spreading of life form more than 50 thousand years, it has been used as a reproduction form by plants, fungi, or bacteria, it is the way that Clonal colonies reproduce themsef, a few examples of this organisms are Blueberries plants, Hazel trees Pando's trees, Kentucky coffeetree, Myricas and American sweetgum. </p><p>Corrected: Cloning is a natural form of reproduccion that has allowed spreading of life forms for more than 50 thousand years, and has been used as a form of reproduction by plants, fungi, or bacteria. It is the way that Clonal colonies reproduce themselves. A few examples of these organisms are Blueberries plants, Hazel trees Pando's trees, Kentucky coffeetree, Myricas and American sweetgum.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jayrsamal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jayrsamal (page does not exist)">Jayrsamal</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jayrsamal&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Jayrsamal (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Jayrsamal-2015-08-11T16:29:00.000Z-Cloning_in_Nature" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:29, 11 August 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jayrsamal-2015-08-11T16:29:00.000Z-Cloning_in_Nature"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jayrsamal-2015-08-11T16:29:00.000Z-Cloning_in_Nature"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_August_2015" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_August_2015-2015-08-26T09:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_August_2015-2015-08-26T09:24:00.000Z"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2015<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_August_2015-2015-08-26T09:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2015"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-92.0.234.254-2015-08-26T09:24:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_August_2015"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475" /><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620" /></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>>>Being changed: Cloning in nature Cloning is a natural form of reproduction that has allow spreading of life forms for more than 50,000 years, and has been used as a reproduction form by plants, fungi, and bacteria. It is the way that Clonal colonies reproduce themselves. A few examples of these organisms are Blueberries plants, Hazel trees Pando's trees, Kentucky coffeetree, Myricas and American sweetgum </p><p>>>Change to: Cloning in nature Cloning is a natural form of reproduction that has allow spreading of life forms for more than 50,000 years, and has been used as a reproduction form by plants, fungi, and bacteria. It is the way that Clonal colonies reproduce themselves. A few examples of these organisms are Blueberries plants, Hazel trees, Pando's trees, Kentucky coffeetree, Myricas and American sweetgum. </p><p>>>Chnanged: Added a coma after "hazel trees" and a full stop/period after "sweetgum". </p><p><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.0.234.254" title="Special:Contributions/92.0.234.254">92.0.234.254</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:92.0.234.254&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:92.0.234.254 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-92.0.234.254-2015-08-26T09:24:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_August_2015" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:24, 26 August 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-92.0.234.254-2015-08-26T09:24:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_August_2015"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-92.0.234.254-2015-08-26T09:24:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_August_2015"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arjayay-2015-08-26T10:50:00.000Z-92.0.234.254-2015-08-26T09:24:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /></span></span><b> Done</b></span> Thanks for the suggestion - <a href="/wiki/User:Arjayay" title="User:Arjayay">Arjayay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arjayay" title="User talk:Arjayay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Arjayay-2015-08-26T10:50:00.000Z-92.0.234.254-2015-08-26T09:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:50, 26 August 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arjayay-2015-08-26T10:50:00.000Z-92.0.234.254-2015-08-26T09:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arjayay-2015-08-26T10:50:00.000Z-92.0.234.254-2015-08-26T09:24:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jytdog-2015-08-26T12:31:00.000Z-92.0.234.254-2015-08-26T09:24:00.000Z"></span>I just removed that content, as it was added unsourced and the "more than 50,000 years" is dubious. We can restore if there is a reliable source provided. <a href="/wiki/User:Jytdog" title="User:Jytdog">Jytdog</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jytdog" title="User talk:Jytdog">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Jytdog-2015-08-26T12:31:00.000Z-92.0.234.254-2015-08-26T09:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jytdog-2015-08-26T12:31:00.000Z-92.0.234.254-2015-08-26T09:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jytdog-2015-08-26T12:31:00.000Z-92.0.234.254-2015-08-26T09:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Semi-protected_edit_request_on_10_April_2016" data-mw-thread-id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_10_April_2016-2016-04-10T20:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_10_April_2016-2016-04-10T20:08:00.000Z"></span>Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2016<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_10_April_2016-2016-04-10T20:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2016"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KRHenninger-2016-04-10T20:08:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_10_April_2016"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475" /><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620" /></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>I would like to add some information in the section about "lifespan", as I feel that simply stating that "the lifespan of a clone is normal" is not sufficiently informative. The fact that the telomeres of the cells of the adult organism to be cloned are shorter and so, by rights, the cloned animal should live a protracted lifespan, is important. The observation that cells can "regrow" telomeres, allowing that cloned organisms do not have protracted lifespans, is surprising and should be appreciated as such. I hope it's okay to add that! Sources include the paper by Xu and Yang (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC305328/">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC305328/</a>), and that of Lanza and others (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10784448/">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10784448/</a>). <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:KRHenninger&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:KRHenninger (page does not exist)">KRHenninger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:KRHenninger" title="User talk:KRHenninger">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-KRHenninger-2016-04-10T20:08:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_10_April_2016" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 10 April 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KRHenninger-2016-04-10T20:08:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_10_April_2016"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KRHenninger-2016-04-10T20:08:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_10_April_2016"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Becky_Sayles-2016-04-23T07:51:00.000Z-KRHenninger-2016-04-10T20:08:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/20px-Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/30px-Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg/40px-Red_question_icon_with_gradient_background.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="62" data-file-height="62" /></span></span> <b>Not done:</b> it's not clear what changes you want to be made. 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Picture and the <a href="/wiki/Aspen_tree" class="mw-redirect" title="Aspen tree">aspen tree</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-1._Picture_and_the_aspen_tree-2017-06-25T15:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: 1. Picture and the aspen tree"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2A02:1205:5009:C1F0:5848:B189:CE93:EFEF-2017-06-25T15:18:00.000Z-1._Picture_and_the_aspen_tree"></span>In the first pictrues there is written the info: <i>Many organisms, including aspen trees, reproduce by cloning</i> Thats not true! The aspen tree has an other way to make cloned or genetic most identical babies than the person that are doing cloning in the laboratories! Its wronge to say, its the same! Thats absolutly not true! The aspen tree has no loboratory, where it buildes its babies! 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It is the reproduction method used by plants, fungi, and bacteria, and is also the way that clonal colonies reproduce themselves.[4][5] Examples of these organisms include blueberry plants, hazel trees, the Pando trees,[6][7] the Kentucky coffeetree, Myricas, and the American sweetgum. </p> <pre> If life existed on earth for more than 3 billion years and early life showed no signs of sexual reproduction (i.e. asexual reproduction took place and hence cloning), then why does it say 50 thousand years only when it should be in billions? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RANDOM29&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RANDOM29 (page does not exist)">RANDOM29</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RANDOM29&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:RANDOM29 (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/RANDOM29" 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id="c-71.73.46.37-2020-10-29T22:46:00.000Z-Dating_Problem"></span>In the section 'First Steps', the following sentence appears: " In 1928 [Spemann] and his student, Hilde Mangold, were the first to perform somatic-cell nuclear transfer using amphibian embryos – one of the first steps towards cloning." This is impossible, since Hilde Mangold died in 1924. I'm not sure what specific experiment the sentence refers to, nor whether the error is the date, Mangold's participation, or both. I'm tagging as dubious. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.73.46.37" title="Special:Contributions/71.73.46.37">71.73.46.37</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:71.73.46.37" title="User talk:71.73.46.37">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-71.73.46.37-2020-10-29T22:46:00.000Z-Dating_Problem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 29 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.73.46.37-2020-10-29T22:46:00.000Z-Dating_Problem"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.73.46.37-2020-10-29T22:46:00.000Z-Dating_Problem"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.73.46.37-2020-10-29T23:01:00.000Z-Dating_Problem"></span>Looking again, it's also possible that the experiment was credited to 'Spemann and Mangold' or the like, but that 'Mangold' referred not to Hilde but to her widower Otto, who was Spemann's assistant. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.73.46.37" title="Special:Contributions/71.73.46.37">71.73.46.37</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:71.73.46.37" title="User talk:71.73.46.37">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-71.73.46.37-2020-10-29T23:01:00.000Z-Dating_Problem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.73.46.37-2020-10-29T23:01:00.000Z-Dating_Problem"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.73.46.37-2020-10-29T23:01:00.000Z-Dating_Problem"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_main_image" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_main_image-2022-06-02T03:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_main_image-2022-06-02T03:03:00.000Z"></span>The main image<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_main_image-2022-06-02T03:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: The main image"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AggiesNeverLie-2022-06-02T03:03:00.000Z-The_main_image"></span>Change the image, it does not represent cloning. It would be good in the article, when referring to the tree. Not at the top, where it does not represent the subject. I am up for anything else, and let anyone else decide. <a href="/wiki/User:AggiesNeverLie" title="User:AggiesNeverLie">AggiesNeverLie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AggiesNeverLie" title="User talk:AggiesNeverLie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-AggiesNeverLie-2022-06-02T03:03:00.000Z-The_main_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:03, 2 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AggiesNeverLie-2022-06-02T03:03:00.000Z-The_main_image"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AggiesNeverLie-2022-06-02T03:03:00.000Z-The_main_image"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Zebrafish" data-mw-thread-id="h-Zebrafish-20240916050700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Zebrafish-20240916050700"></span>Zebrafish<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Zebrafish-20240916050700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Zebrafish"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2601:547:F00:1E60:1112:5B9D:857B:855F-20240916050700-Zebrafish"></span>Zebrafish listed as first cloned vertebrate but dated after other listed vertebrates, including carp <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:547:F00:1E60:1112:5B9D:857B:855F" title="Special:Contributions/2601:547:F00:1E60:1112:5B9D:857B:855F">2601:547:F00:1E60:1112:5B9D:857B:855F</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:547:F00:1E60:1112:5B9D:857B:855F&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:2601:547:F00:1E60:1112:5B9D:857B:855F (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-2601:547:F00:1E60:1112:5B9D:857B:855F-20240916050700-Zebrafish" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:07, 16 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2601:547:F00:1E60:1112:5B9D:857B:855F-20240916050700-Zebrafish"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2601:547:F00:1E60:1112:5B9D:857B:855F-20240916050700-Zebrafish"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="De-extinction_section" data-mw-thread-id="h-De-extinction_section-20241005023000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-De-extinction_section-20241005023000"></span>De-extinction section<span data-mw-comment-end="h-De-extinction_section-20241005023000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: De-extinction section"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-100.11.147.223-20241005023000-De-extinction_section"></span>This section badly needs to be updated. Some of the information is more than a decade old and is obsolete (e.g. the statement that wooly mammoth DNA has not been recovered). I've made some tweaks, but I'm not familiar enough with the current literature to undertake a complete re-write. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/100.11.147.223" title="Special:Contributions/100.11.147.223">100.11.147.223</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:100.11.147.223&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:100.11.147.223 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-100.11.147.223-20241005023000-De-extinction_section" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 5 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-100.11.147.223-20241005023000-De-extinction_section"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-100.11.147.223-20241005023000-De-extinction_section"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Splitting_proposal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Splitting_proposal-20250222153700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Splitting_proposal-20250222153700"></span>Splitting proposal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Splitting_proposal-20250222153700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Splitting proposal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArtemisiaGentileschiFan-20250222153700-Splitting_proposal"></span>I think that the popular culture section of this article should be split into its own article titled <a href="/w/index.php?title=Cloning_in_fiction&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Cloning in fiction (page does not exist)">Cloning in fiction</a>. Cloning is a really prominent aspect of science-fiction but the fictional concept doesn't have much to do with the actual subject in biology. I definitely think that cloning as a science-fiction subject is independently notable considering how widespread the concept is in film, literature, gaming, etc. </p><p>What do others think, should this article be split so that this one can focus primarily on real-world science and the pop-culture aspect can be separate? <a href="/wiki/User:ArtemisiaGentileschiFan" title="User:ArtemisiaGentileschiFan">ArtemisiaGentileschiFan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArtemisiaGentileschiFan" title="User talk:ArtemisiaGentileschiFan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-ArtemisiaGentileschiFan-20250222153700-Splitting_proposal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 22 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArtemisiaGentileschiFan-20250222153700-Splitting_proposal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArtemisiaGentileschiFan-20250222153700-Splitting_proposal"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250223034300-ArtemisiaGentileschiFan-20250222153700"></span>I don't think they necessarily have to be kept fully separate, but a focused article on Cloning in fiction makes sense to me, especially as much of it dwells on human cloning, which is also a separate article. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cloning#c-Chipmunkdavis-20250223034300-ArtemisiaGentileschiFan-20250222153700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:43, 23 February 2025 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250223034300-ArtemisiaGentileschiFan-20250222153700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20250223034300-ArtemisiaGentileschiFan-20250222153700"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://auth.wikimedia.org/loginwiki/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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